WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.120 Hey, all right. Hey, welcome to Beta. We're trying something new over here at the Church 00:00:04.120 --> 00:00:08.420 of Digital, and we're experimenting. Yeah, you can run some fun parallels. We're betaing with 00:00:08.420 --> 00:00:12.720 a show that's called Beta. It'll make sense down the road. Just stick with us. Of course, 00:00:12.840 --> 00:00:17.380 Ray DeArmes here, digital pastor over at Christ Fellowship Miami. Anytime I'm going to experiment 00:00:17.380 --> 00:00:22.380 and play around with some new technology or try to do something different, I got to bring Ray along 00:00:22.380 --> 00:00:27.580 just to kind of make fun of me as we're doing whatever it is that we're doing over here. 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:33.200 It's just too easy. There's always some new technology that Jeff is really just trying to 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:37.760 tap into. But the great thing about this is that we want to hear from people, right, Jeff? I mean, 00:00:37.780 --> 00:00:40.820 that's kind of the big thing is we want to build the same community that many people are trying to 00:00:40.820 --> 00:00:43.920 build with Church Online. We want to hear from our Church Digital community as far as some of the 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:48.500 questions that they may have. And we felt that podcast wasn't going to do it. We felt like we 00:00:48.500 --> 00:00:53.740 had to beta. We had to try something new. Yeah, that's exactly right. You see, with the Church 00:00:53.740 --> 00:00:59.440 Digital Podcast, which is coming up on our 100th episode, it's phenomenal. It's been an awesome time, 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:05.380 but we get so heady, so theoretical, so kind of future oriented in that there's like, we can't even 00:01:05.380 --> 00:01:10.580 like see practical in the conversation. And so we wanted to kind of do something that was a little 00:01:10.580 --> 00:01:16.360 more grounded as well. So here's what we're doing. Text your digital, digital church questions to this 00:01:16.360 --> 00:01:20.240 number here on the screen for the church. Don't you love this? I literally have a phone number for 00:01:20.240 --> 00:01:27.980 the church. 484-324-8724. Text those questions and we want to answer them. We're going to list them, 00:01:28.140 --> 00:01:34.660 catalog them, and then do beta episodes here on the channels that you're watching. We're going to put 00:01:34.660 --> 00:01:40.960 this on YouTube, on Facebook, on Periscope, Twitter, wherever we can land this stuff. And of course, 00:01:40.960 --> 00:01:46.480 we're going to tie it in to the Church Digital Podcast as well. So write that number down, 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:53.660 484-324-8724. Right now, go ahead and spam me. Okay, don't spam me. Well, maybe, yeah, spam me. 00:01:53.700 --> 00:01:58.720 That's okay. Send me some messages. Send me some questions that you guys are struggling with 00:01:58.720 --> 00:02:04.120 in context of doing online ministry. And we're going to do short, I promise you, 00:02:05.620 --> 00:02:13.980 we'll do some sort of shorter conversation here to answer those questions. So, and here we go. 00:02:14.040 --> 00:02:19.640 Number one, and I'm doing this. Okay, look, we're just starting this. We're calling this episode zero 00:02:19.640 --> 00:02:25.240 beta double O. We're just starting this thing, right? We don't, we don't know, but here, here's what I do 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:29.680 know. Nobody's texted me this question, but I've had this question come to me, I don't know, at least 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:37.480 a dozen times here within the past week. How do we do creative digital church services for online at the 00:02:37.480 --> 00:02:44.040 same time as doing physical services? Like, okay, hey, great. We can do physical pre-COVID. Oh, wait, 00:02:44.140 --> 00:02:49.940 no, physical shut down entirely. Let's do all digital. Okay. I can pour all those resources. And now 00:02:49.940 --> 00:02:55.420 hundreds of thousands of churches across America are now trying to wrestle with this idea of, 00:02:55.620 --> 00:03:02.900 how do we do both at the same time? How does this even, even work? And so, man, Ray, just what do 00:03:02.900 --> 00:03:07.940 you think of this question? Have you, have you had people ask you this? Yeah. I mean, and, and this is 00:03:07.940 --> 00:03:11.500 something that we're even trying to wrestle with, right? Because as many of us have learned, if you're 00:03:11.500 --> 00:03:16.260 trying to recreate the physical experience online, like you're losing, right? You're like, you're not 00:03:16.260 --> 00:03:20.340 necessarily catering to an audience or you're kind of going after an audience or trying to do things 00:03:20.340 --> 00:03:25.200 that you're noticing aren't working like they did in person. Pastors, your jokes aren't landing the 00:03:25.200 --> 00:03:29.300 same way. You're getting word that some of your people aren't singing along with the worship music. 00:03:29.480 --> 00:03:34.440 And so that's a bit of a struggle. And why is it so different? And why is it so hard? And, and listen, 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:39.420 it's, it's almost like live comedy. You know, I'm pretty sure if Jerry Seinfeld were to tell you, 00:03:39.500 --> 00:03:44.600 yeah, doing things in this COVID environment is different than me packing a club in New York and just 00:03:44.600 --> 00:03:49.620 kind of catering to the audience that's in the room. And so the reality is, is you legit probably 00:03:49.620 --> 00:03:55.480 can't do both at the same time, right? Like you kind of have to think through who your primary target 00:03:55.480 --> 00:04:00.060 audience is, right, Jeff? And think through how you're going to kind of craft some of your content 00:04:00.060 --> 00:04:08.340 in towards them, right? Yeah. It's, it's really targeting this idea of who you're trying to reach 00:04:08.340 --> 00:04:13.380 and how are you trying to communicate them? So, and this is, this is really one of the weaknesses 00:04:13.380 --> 00:04:19.700 of live streaming a physical service, because when you're doing that physical service, you're really 00:04:19.700 --> 00:04:25.640 communicating, you're, you're preaching, you're, you're really talking in this season to your 99s. 00:04:25.640 --> 00:04:31.120 Now we do this analogy of the ones in the 99s, you know, the parable of the shepherd that goes after 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:36.480 the one lost sheep leaving the other 99 behind. It's, it's kind of that parallel. So within your church 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:41.100 service within your buildings, you're not getting people called to Christ coming to a physical 00:04:41.100 --> 00:04:46.180 building. And if you are, congratulations, those are like the few stories out of the many, 00:04:46.180 --> 00:04:51.240 because what we're really seeing is, is this 99, the people that are engaged into your church 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:56.320 that are really going into the building for that. And, and they need to be ministered to, 00:04:56.380 --> 00:05:01.440 they need to be discipled. They need some of that communication. But if we're really looking at 00:05:01.440 --> 00:05:05.960 online as our opportunity to reach ones, I don't know that we're going to get that out of live 00:05:05.960 --> 00:05:10.980 streaming in our building. Now, throw that aside, this whole idea of, Hey, you know what? I'm going 00:05:10.980 --> 00:05:14.940 to preach a 40 minute in the building. Well, we already learned in this COVID season, that 40 minute 00:05:14.940 --> 00:05:21.440 sermon doesn't land online. The, if we're looking at it towards evangelism that the ones aren't giving 00:05:21.440 --> 00:05:27.000 it to them. Hey, those like five songs that you want to sing online, that's not going to land or 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:33.100 excuse me, sing in the building. That's not going to land online like you would want it to. And so we've 00:05:33.100 --> 00:05:39.800 seen a lot of churches in the season really pared down the experience of what they're broadcasting 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:47.400 online. Instead of being that 70, 80, 90 minute service, making it more like a 40, 50, maybe 60 00:05:47.400 --> 00:05:53.440 minute, but a much smaller experience of it. Yeah. And I'm more curious for a lot of churches as to how 00:05:53.440 --> 00:05:57.360 they're asking, as opposed to how to take their physical service online, how to take their digital 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:02.320 service back into the building. You know, that same experience that you're creating for your digital 00:06:02.320 --> 00:06:06.700 experience. That was kind of the way that it should have been, you know, uh, you know, everybody talks 00:06:06.700 --> 00:06:10.920 about our ADD culture. The reality of it is, is that human attention span has always been about 20 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:15.960 minutes. I remember watching a message from Erwin McManus about 20 years ago. Now it was about 15 00:06:15.960 --> 00:06:20.820 years ago. I'd watched him at a saddleback worship conference and he made mention of this as it was 00:06:20.820 --> 00:06:25.000 legit happening to me. And this was before I had an iPhone in my pocket. He said, some of you 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:29.680 aren't even checked into my message right now. He's like, I work the same way. I check in, I'm here 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:35.520 for five minutes. I check out for a few minutes. I check back in. And he's talking about this to 00:06:35.520 --> 00:06:39.660 pastors as he's preaching through this, but he was a hundred percent correct. Many people aren't 00:06:39.660 --> 00:06:44.860 watching a 40 minute experience, especially with a smartphone device in their hand and listening all 00:06:44.860 --> 00:06:50.500 the way through every detail of the pastor's message and legit like on pace with them the entire way. 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:54.860 Now, is it happening to one or two people? Absolutely. But for the rest of us, 00:06:54.860 --> 00:06:58.580 we're checking in, we're checking out. And so in order to help avoid that, we kind of have to ask, 00:06:58.660 --> 00:07:04.080 okay, so we got used to recreating some of our experiences in shorter formats for an online 00:07:04.080 --> 00:07:08.820 audience who, yeah, they can watch us here, but they're probably also going to go pour some cereal 00:07:08.820 --> 00:07:12.360 in a bowl, or they're going to go check on the kids to make sure that they're not killing each other 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:16.800 or something else along those lines. And so in the same way, we have to figure out how we're going to 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:21.560 take those experiences back into a physical environment, because especially for non-believers, 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.820 I don't think they're going to be on an hour and a half to two hour services anymore. 00:07:25.280 --> 00:07:30.680 Yeah, it's really interesting. Like even Craig Groeschel with the video teaching and some of 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:36.440 the Don, you know, video teaching has worked at multi-site campuses for a decade. Like it was, 00:07:36.500 --> 00:07:42.120 it was early 2010s when I started video teaching and creating that through churches that I was on 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:46.520 staff at. But Groeschel, whenever he would go visit, like he would preach Saturday night, 00:07:46.620 --> 00:07:51.920 record the message in the can for Life.Church, and then go out. When he would visit other campuses on 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:56.680 Sunday that was getting the video teaching message, he would never actually stand on stage and preach 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:02.320 in the physical space. He would sit on the front row and then they would play the video teaching 00:08:02.320 --> 00:08:07.100 message of him preaching. Yeah. Okay. Maybe it's awkward to see yourself preach, but it's this really 00:08:07.100 --> 00:08:13.100 fascinating thing that comes out of it where he didn't want to preach live because he didn't want 00:08:13.100 --> 00:08:20.120 to devalue the video teaching that was happening. And so he felt if he preached live, that meant that live 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:25.220 preaching was better than video. And he didn't want to do that because video was the thing that was 00:08:25.220 --> 00:08:30.360 solidifying all of the Life.Church campuses together. And so in this season, I wonder if 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:36.240 there's not a lesson here to take away that maybe doing that pre-recorded message, maybe it's even 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:42.400 that, that 20 minute message using it, not just in the digital space, but also in physical space as 00:08:42.400 --> 00:08:49.300 well. Man, that really simplifies a lot of the scariness, a lot of the monster that is creating 00:08:49.300 --> 00:08:55.040 the second service because you're double using the content in physical space as well as digital. 00:08:55.220 --> 00:09:01.060 Because where we're going here is this idea of creating the second thing can often be a beast 00:09:01.060 --> 00:09:06.940 unto itself because we're putting all this work, all this effort, all this energy into creating this. 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:10.800 And this is where churches were before we went back into the building in the middle of COVID, 00:09:10.880 --> 00:09:16.100 mid COVID, because they were creating this monster of a thing. And it was done with excellence. It was 00:09:16.100 --> 00:09:21.660 done with perfection. It was a thing to be proud of, but it utilized all the resources that were in the 00:09:21.660 --> 00:09:27.280 physical building to get there. And now, oh my gosh, you want me to do both? How am I supposed, 00:09:27.420 --> 00:09:32.240 I need to communicate something different to the online buildings and to the physical, but I do it, 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:39.520 but I can't do both with excellence. And by doing both, I don't know what to do. I need to double my 00:09:39.520 --> 00:09:44.840 teams. I need to double my staff. Write me a bigger check. And in this COVID season, bigger checks just 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:49.660 don't seem to be coming. Yeah. This kind of goes back to, and if you listen to the pod, you've heard 00:09:49.660 --> 00:09:54.980 me talk about this TED Talk before, and you've probably even seen it yourself. The three things that 00:09:54.980 --> 00:09:59.640 you can only have two out of three, good, fast, or cheap, right? Good, fast, or cheap. You can have two 00:09:59.640 --> 00:10:03.380 out of three. You can't have three out of three. And so part of the question that I think a lot of 00:10:03.380 --> 00:10:07.600 us are asking, and maybe a lot more of your teams are probably like knocking on your lead pastor's 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.660 door, like, hey, during COVID, you were farther out with your message. Like you were ready to record 00:10:11.660 --> 00:10:15.760 on Thursday. Can we get back to that? And he's thinking to himself, no, man, now I've got those 00:10:15.760 --> 00:10:20.720 extra three days to kind of work with and play with and toy around and tinker with stuff. And that's 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:25.040 where some of the challenge can be in terms of the difference between pre-recorded and wanting to go back 00:10:25.040 --> 00:10:29.780 back to live in the room is just the thought process of when are we going to push that content 00:10:29.780 --> 00:10:35.120 out, right, Jeff? Because that kind of puts you at a timetable. And then that timetable also 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:38.480 determines your budget. Because if you're going to do last minute edits, if you're going to do last 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:42.840 minute shots or reshoots or whatever else, that's when things get complicated and get very expensive, 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:47.700 as opposed to when you're thinking further in advance and thinking a little bit further out and 00:10:47.700 --> 00:10:52.360 working with your teams a lot more within their allotted hours. You avoid burnout. You avoid so many 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:56.740 different things. And it allows the rest of your ministry team to make sure that they're ministering 00:10:56.740 --> 00:11:02.520 to the congregation, which is huge. You mentioned Craig Groeschel earlier. Craig got to the point 00:11:02.520 --> 00:11:08.240 where pre-COVID he was recording on Thursdays the message. He wouldn't even preach on Saturday nights. 00:11:08.980 --> 00:11:13.580 And so then he would show up at all locations just there to shake hands, kiss babies, and pray for 00:11:13.580 --> 00:11:20.640 people, which is where he determined his greatest value was on a Sunday morning. And for some of us, 00:11:20.640 --> 00:11:24.640 we think, man, our greatest value is just the content we put out. But even Craig will tell you, 00:11:24.700 --> 00:11:29.780 hey, it's got to be content married with community. And that's where church comes into play. 00:11:30.580 --> 00:11:34.760 Yeah. And really, it's funny, the Thursday night with the Groeschel, it kind of leads me into where 00:11:34.760 --> 00:11:40.520 I wanted to go next with this thing. I almost think that the Thursday night service being for the 00:11:40.520 --> 00:11:46.080 online recording, that capture service for online, I think that's the Gitmo solution. I didn't realize 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:51.500 this was going to become the Craig Groeschel hour, but wasn't it Groeschel who used the Gitmo 00:11:51.500 --> 00:11:59.940 out of Global Leadership Summit this year, 2020. And yeah, 2020 was this year. And so like this idea 00:11:59.940 --> 00:12:07.080 of Gitmo is phenomenal where, and listen, I like, we've talked about this on the podcast where we've got 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:14.540 Crossroads in Cincinnati, uber creative services. This church has got tons of resources. I'm literally 00:12:14.540 --> 00:12:19.380 watching the lead pastor, Brian Tome, preach a sermon while wakeboarding. 00:12:19.580 --> 00:12:28.640 I just, if there was a proverbial shark tank in the lake, he would have jumped it. Like this is 00:12:28.640 --> 00:12:34.440 unbelievable. He's literally preaching while wakeboarding. Now let's face it. And this, 00:12:34.540 --> 00:12:38.500 unfortunately there's a standard, like remember comparison is the thief of joy. We talked about 00:12:38.500 --> 00:12:44.500 that in this COVID season. And it's like, oh, I'm a church of a thousand. I got to compete with this. 00:12:44.560 --> 00:12:49.220 I got to, I got to figure out, Hey, can you preach a sermon while actually jumping a shark tank on the 00:12:49.220 --> 00:12:56.340 wakeboard? Don't do that. And so here's kind of the tension of it, where we bring this Gitmo back 00:12:56.340 --> 00:13:00.800 into it. And so early on, what you're talking about with Life.Church, where they would capture 00:13:00.800 --> 00:13:07.060 the service Thursday night. Now they would change the language. The host would be able to say what 00:13:07.060 --> 00:13:12.800 the host needed to say for online. The teacher was able to drill into those cameras and look at it 00:13:12.800 --> 00:13:19.020 and communicate the type of message needed online. Worship was maybe a simpler set, a smaller set. 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:25.620 It was more appropriate for the online environment, but we're doing this digitally exclusively for the 00:13:25.620 --> 00:13:31.520 digital audience. And I personally think this is a great way to utilize the resources that your 00:13:31.520 --> 00:13:35.840 venue, that your church has and find ways to make it effective for your church. 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:40.460 Yeah. And then the last thing that they utilize as part of that was recycled worship. And some of you 00:13:40.460 --> 00:13:45.020 aren't going to like that tag on of recycled, but they would pre-record the worship. And then they would 00:13:45.020 --> 00:13:49.880 cut like some of the songs and like mix and match them throughout in terms of their online services. 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.340 Now I understand, oh man, we want everything to be fresh week to week. Okay. But listen, 00:13:54.700 --> 00:14:01.160 your online audience isn't really going to engage as much in song. That's not the experience that 00:14:01.160 --> 00:14:04.860 they're receiving at home. They're not having the lights hit their face. They're not there with the 00:14:05.560 --> 00:14:10.040 stuff happening on stage. That's not something that they're experiencing in real time as much. And so 00:14:10.040 --> 00:14:14.900 if you actually went a little bit lighter on worship and like one or two songs that were pre-recorded, 00:14:15.020 --> 00:14:18.400 like, let's say that you just did one day recording with your worship team, you recorded 00:14:18.400 --> 00:14:22.860 10 songs and then you just had them out. I mean, think about this. You can either have your best 00:14:22.860 --> 00:14:27.380 musicians all in one day. They're shooting, getting the best of the best of everything. 00:14:27.560 --> 00:14:32.440 And this way your digital audience gets something amazing. And then for the rest of your teams that 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:36.420 have to put these online stuff together, they're not looking to get everything week to week. 00:14:36.760 --> 00:14:41.000 It helps them facilitate and it helps them build a system so that they can get great content out 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:45.300 there so that they can spend the rest of their time ministering to people, which is what it's 00:14:45.300 --> 00:14:50.120 supposed to be. And so, you know, if we get caught up and like Jeff, you nailed it on the head, 00:14:50.580 --> 00:14:54.500 comparisons to the thief of joy. Yeah. So that means that we can't pivot week to week to be like 00:14:54.500 --> 00:14:58.980 North point this week and be like a life church next week. No, let's be who we are. 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:05.120 Let's set a plan and then we can tweak along the way. Yeah. So good. And even just to close up this 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:13.680 vein here, do not burn out on the one hour on Sunday. Do not pour every ounce of resources you 00:15:13.680 --> 00:15:19.540 and your organization have in order to create this duality of the church service. There's more to 00:15:19.540 --> 00:15:24.880 church than the one hour on Sunday. There's, there's a larger purpose of what your church's 00:15:24.880 --> 00:15:31.060 resources need to do to not just create a follower of Christ, but a disciple maker. And as much as 00:15:31.060 --> 00:15:36.680 we, the church are used to creating these awesome physical and digital experiences, that's really 00:15:36.680 --> 00:15:43.480 just the beginning of the life of the church. And so don't spend all the resources creating those 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:49.400 experiences that you're not doing intentional steps and having some of those resources to create the 00:15:49.400 --> 00:15:53.640 disciple makers that the Bible calls us to do. Yeah. You know, hitting the brakes and having 00:15:53.640 --> 00:15:58.220 everybody take a break from Sunday morning is scary, right? Because we don't know what we're kind of 00:15:58.220 --> 00:16:03.160 coming back into as our, as we're looking to reopen church services. And even as those who have reopened 00:16:03.160 --> 00:16:07.320 are kind of already reporting, Hey, listen, it's not like we're seeing an extreme rush for people to 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.820 kind of come back on Sunday. Some are fearful because of the virus and others have just been 00:16:11.820 --> 00:16:15.940 out of routine for so long that, you know, they're like, man, we found a new routine. We found a new 00:16:15.940 --> 00:16:21.360 thing. And so we're just kind of going to stick with it. But it does remind us that this entire time, 00:16:21.740 --> 00:16:28.460 this isn't new, this isn't because of COVID. The 167 hours during the week that you hear a lot of 00:16:28.460 --> 00:16:33.760 people in this kind of world reference, that matters a ton more than just what happens on Sunday 00:16:33.760 --> 00:16:38.080 morning. I mean, if you're, if you're in youth ministry and if you're in kids ministry, you know 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:42.420 this because parents often will just drop off their kids saying, Hey, change them, change them, make 00:16:42.420 --> 00:16:46.220 them better. And you're sitting there thinking to yourself, Hey, listen, within three months, this 00:16:46.220 --> 00:16:50.240 kid's life will probably turn around, but you can make a bigger impact around that dinner table at 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:55.720 home than I ever can through a message a week and a few worship songs in a game. And that's a hundred 00:16:55.720 --> 00:17:00.540 percent correct. And in the same way with online church or just with church in general, right? 00:17:00.800 --> 00:17:05.060 We're supposed to be raising up believers. We're supposed to be making devoted followers of Jesus. 00:17:05.060 --> 00:17:10.860 And that doesn't just happen on an hour on Sunday. Now worshiping Jesus, super important. 00:17:11.360 --> 00:17:16.560 Coming together as the body of believers here for it. It's, it's, it's not physical. It's not digital. 00:17:16.840 --> 00:17:22.520 It's, it's not weekend. It's create that disciple maker. And if that is first and foremost, 00:17:22.520 --> 00:17:28.160 then everything else is just a tool to get us to that point. So very, very well said, right? Hey, 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:33.180 listen, so, so we're going to wrap here with this. This, this was golden. We want to do this weekly 00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:38.720 and what's the next episode going to be? I have no idea because I haven't gotten your questions yet. 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:43.800 So here's what we're asking. Text these questions right now. Your questions. What are you struggling 00:17:43.800 --> 00:17:49.440 with? What's the next step? Where are you lost? What do you have no idea on? Um, what are you thinking 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:54.540 about? Whatever it is texted to me over here at four, eight, four, three, two, four, eight, 00:17:54.600 --> 00:17:59.720 seven, two, four. The number is literally for the church and send me your questions. Well, maybe we'll 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:03.860 talk about it next week and you'll be able to, maybe we mentioned your name. Maybe we would, I don't know. 00:18:03.900 --> 00:18:09.300 We'll figure it out, but send us your questions and give us something to do. By the way, you can access 00:18:09.300 --> 00:18:16.060 this beta and a bunch of other free resources over at the church that digital. So if you're not at the 00:18:16.060 --> 00:18:20.360 church that digital, you've not checked out our other podcasts and what we're doing, all that. 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:26.000 What up, bro? Come on. Like, like show some love. We're freaking a hundred episode coming up here in a 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:29.720 couple of weeks. What do you mean? You haven't, you haven't like watched it. Come on, jump, jump on this 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:39.500 thing. And you can do that over at the church.digital slash podcast. So, Hey, Ray, man, thanks for jumping 00:18:39.500 --> 00:18:44.140 on this. Looking forward to doing the next one for Ray. I'm Jeff with the church digital. Thanks for 00:18:44.140 --> 00:18:47.500 being here. We'll see you in the next time here on beta. Have a good day.