WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.420 Hey, here with the Beta Show, we answer your questions. 00:00:04.840 --> 00:00:10.660 Digital Church, if you've got questions in context of doing digital ministry or church ministry, 00:00:10.660 --> 00:00:16.520 feel free to text us those questions at 484-324-8724. 00:00:16.780 --> 00:00:22.060 If you literally speak telephone alphabet, that is for the church. 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:23.480 Text us those questions. 00:00:23.840 --> 00:00:30.280 Here with episode five here, we're going to talk about small steps towards effective digital strategy. 00:00:30.400 --> 00:00:32.580 Small steps towards effective digital strategy. 00:00:32.800 --> 00:00:33.700 Here's the question. 00:00:33.700 --> 00:00:38.420 Text it in from one of you, one of the digital pastors, volunteers, whoever is out there. 00:00:38.860 --> 00:00:45.460 Are there practical, small improvements that will help move our digital church strategy forward? 00:00:45.740 --> 00:00:46.680 Heartfelt text. 00:00:46.780 --> 00:00:52.080 There was more that was involved there, talking about operating at a minimal level, 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:56.020 heart of innovation coming from kind of a minimalistic approach. 00:00:56.180 --> 00:00:57.100 So love this. 00:00:57.160 --> 00:01:03.100 Are there practical, small improvements that will help move our church forward in the digital strategy? 00:01:03.260 --> 00:01:07.220 So when I have these conversations, and I have them all the time, by the way, 00:01:07.240 --> 00:01:11.680 if you're struggling with this, you're asking yourself this question, you are by far not alone. 00:01:11.780 --> 00:01:15.440 There's tens of thousands of churches right now that are asking the same question. 00:01:15.660 --> 00:01:19.180 But for me, it really comes down to kind of these three things. 00:01:19.180 --> 00:01:22.040 These are popular questions that Ray and I get. 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:23.180 We'll talk about it here in a little bit. 00:01:23.580 --> 00:01:27.760 Popular church questions that we get often asked about this idea of digital ministry. 00:01:28.260 --> 00:01:29.220 Is it authentic? 00:01:29.800 --> 00:01:31.080 Can we afford it? 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:34.160 And really, are we called to it? 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:35.060 Is it authentic? 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:36.640 Can we afford it? 00:01:36.980 --> 00:01:38.140 And are we called to it? 00:01:38.180 --> 00:01:42.900 Ray, just coming as we're walking into this, what are you thinking here about these three questions? 00:01:42.900 --> 00:01:46.680 You know, the big thing that everybody starts with, for some reason, is number two. 00:01:46.940 --> 00:01:47.800 Can we afford it? 00:01:47.960 --> 00:01:52.660 And that's always an interesting thing because tech trends to go cheaper. 00:01:53.100 --> 00:01:55.380 It doesn't typically get more expensive. 00:01:55.380 --> 00:01:58.040 Like it becomes more and more adapted to the user. 00:01:58.260 --> 00:01:59.960 And it goes lower and lower and lower. 00:02:00.100 --> 00:02:04.240 So for instance, you know, once upon a time, Jeff and I were like the first people to get an iPhone. 00:02:04.240 --> 00:02:08.800 And then a couple of years later, our parents were knocking on our doors like, hey, tell me about this iPhone thing. 00:02:08.880 --> 00:02:11.980 Like they didn't want to be the early adopters, but then it got cheaper. 00:02:12.100 --> 00:02:14.660 They had those two-year contracts, you know, $200 iPhone. 00:02:14.660 --> 00:02:17.000 And they were like, man, let's get this phone, you know? 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:20.140 And so tech tends to trend cheaper. 00:02:20.340 --> 00:02:24.100 So the can we afford it question, it really just depends on the first question. 00:02:24.100 --> 00:02:27.700 And really the last question, which is, is it authentic to who you are? 00:02:27.780 --> 00:02:30.560 And are we as a church called to do it? 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:33.660 Like you're not called to reinvent the internet. 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:36.360 You're not even called to reinvent church online platform. 00:02:36.500 --> 00:02:38.340 You're not called to reinvent a new app service. 00:02:38.460 --> 00:02:39.920 There's so many different things out there. 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:45.240 Why not leverage the materials that are there, but only if it's truly who you are. 00:02:45.440 --> 00:02:48.080 Be authentic to what it is that God's calling you to be. 00:02:48.780 --> 00:02:49.360 Love it. 00:02:49.480 --> 00:02:50.980 Love every second of that. 00:02:51.100 --> 00:02:56.940 So remember, we're trying to figure out small practical steps to help in digital strategy. 00:02:56.940 --> 00:03:03.800 And really, I think it comes down to starting with just answering this question of, is it authentic? 00:03:04.420 --> 00:03:11.200 Remember here, like, we're not celebrating these big, massive numbers of reach. 00:03:11.200 --> 00:03:15.880 The numbers that you get, it's very easy to get lost in that. 00:03:16.040 --> 00:03:22.200 But beyond even just that reach with these massive numbers, start to discover the names. 00:03:22.200 --> 00:03:24.720 Who are the people that are watching? 00:03:24.720 --> 00:03:29.440 And then move beyond just the names of the people that you're meeting. 00:03:29.820 --> 00:03:31.060 Tell me their story. 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:32.620 Who are they? 00:03:32.720 --> 00:03:33.580 What are they looking for? 00:03:33.640 --> 00:03:35.200 What are they spiritually struggling with? 00:03:35.300 --> 00:03:43.520 You see, the power of digital strategy is not really in this idea of reaching thousands and thousands of people. 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:48.960 It really comes down to the power and the influence that we have over individuals. 00:03:49.200 --> 00:03:50.180 By the way, that's biblical. 00:03:50.420 --> 00:03:52.020 Like, I don't want to get into it. 00:03:52.100 --> 00:03:52.840 Open up your Bible. 00:03:53.160 --> 00:03:53.980 Read John 6. 00:03:54.380 --> 00:04:01.960 Try to figure out how Jesus was not about reaching the masses, but instead engaged and got down to that individual level. 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:03.100 Go on the Church Digital. 00:04:03.220 --> 00:04:04.520 There's a blog or two about that. 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:14.240 But definitely the heart here is being authentic with people and through those relationships doing that ministry. 00:04:14.380 --> 00:04:17.460 And that's something, honestly, a lot of churches are missing today digitally. 00:04:18.320 --> 00:04:19.000 So true. 00:04:19.460 --> 00:04:20.940 And be authentic to who you are. 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:24.200 You know, we don't expect anybody to turn into a different church. 00:04:24.540 --> 00:04:30.460 One of the things that I appreciate about the church that I've been involved with is that we're not trying to be some other church online. 00:04:30.660 --> 00:04:36.460 Even though there's lots of other churches that we're learning from, we have to ask ourselves, well, is this really authentic to who we are? 00:04:36.960 --> 00:04:49.540 Our pastors shouldn't dress the part to look like another pastor or, you know, we shouldn't change our music or even our presentation just because it's really a question of, does this reflect Christ Fellowship online? 00:04:49.540 --> 00:04:52.540 Does this reflect our community, but also in a digital space? 00:04:52.900 --> 00:04:53.880 That's very important. 00:04:54.640 --> 00:04:54.760 Yeah. 00:04:54.860 --> 00:04:56.480 And that really comes to the heart. 00:04:56.580 --> 00:04:59.600 We're going to get into that with number three for, are we called to this? 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:05.220 Does it really mirror who we are as a church in our strategy? 00:05:05.940 --> 00:05:07.320 There's a big part of that. 00:05:07.520 --> 00:05:09.700 And how do you even change churches? 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:10.880 How do you change that strategy? 00:05:10.980 --> 00:05:13.660 How do you talk to leadership about that? 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:22.980 For me, the churches that I've worked with and that I've done digital strategy with, honestly, the next question they ask, even before they get to our recalled to it, it's weird. 00:05:22.980 --> 00:05:26.360 Maybe the second question really should be, can we afford this? 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:30.460 Like, okay, hey, you know, Jeff, you want to write a check here. 00:05:30.520 --> 00:05:36.140 Actually, I had a leader, somebody on leadership tell me once, Jeff, you're really good at spending other people's money. 00:05:36.760 --> 00:05:38.680 And there is a, there is part of that with digital, right? 00:05:38.700 --> 00:05:43.560 Because you, you have this vision and you want to do things to reach people online. 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:52.600 But really kind of the first question to ask here with, can we afford it, is if it's, if it's technology, chances, if the heart of this, and I want to unpack this. 00:05:52.740 --> 00:06:00.760 If the heart of what we're doing is, is about technology, then we're probably not going to be able, ultimately, the church is probably not going to be able to afford this today. 00:06:01.420 --> 00:06:06.620 But if we make it about the relationship component, well, shoot, Facebook's free. 00:06:06.860 --> 00:06:14.120 It's easy when you don't make it about the bells and whistles, but when you make it about the relationships that we're making, right? 00:06:14.200 --> 00:06:15.640 Ray, what's resonating with you off of that? 00:06:15.660 --> 00:06:16.220 Well, absolutely. 00:06:16.540 --> 00:06:17.560 You know, Facebook is free. 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:18.580 YouTube is free. 00:06:18.780 --> 00:06:23.300 There's so many different platforms that are out there that are free that your services can exist on. 00:06:23.300 --> 00:06:27.900 But really, bigger than that, not just that your services can exist on, but the goal is to connect with people, right? 00:06:27.960 --> 00:06:31.700 Like what Jeff was alluding to earlier, your goal is to connect with people. 00:06:31.840 --> 00:06:33.560 It's not just to broadcast to the masses. 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:35.740 And yes, it is difficult. 00:06:36.200 --> 00:06:37.220 Yes, it is hard. 00:06:37.420 --> 00:06:37.660 Yes. 00:06:38.020 --> 00:06:42.780 Many people online prefer anonymity, and it's very difficult to get them to take that next step. 00:06:43.300 --> 00:06:44.840 However, that is the goal. 00:06:45.060 --> 00:06:53.280 Just like as a guy who led a physical campus, yes, we wanted people to move from the back row and just being, you know, a back row Baptist and not being known. 00:06:53.300 --> 00:06:57.140 By the church, we wanted to move them into a small group so that they were known. 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:58.080 Was that hard? 00:06:58.280 --> 00:06:58.500 Yes. 00:06:58.560 --> 00:06:59.360 Did it take time? 00:06:59.600 --> 00:06:59.880 Yes. 00:07:00.400 --> 00:07:05.440 And so you have to make sure and understand that you are on these platforms for the purpose of reaching people. 00:07:05.880 --> 00:07:07.160 They are free platforms. 00:07:07.400 --> 00:07:12.560 And so leverage them, not for the sake of just growing a broadcast, but for the sake of reaching people. 00:07:12.660 --> 00:07:21.000 This is also why, and Jeff and I were talking about this earlier, Christians shouldn't be so concerned with living in echo chambers right now in terms of digital platforms, right? 00:07:21.460 --> 00:07:23.200 And Jeff, that's kind of popular right now, right? 00:07:23.200 --> 00:07:27.920 In terms of, man, I'm only going to surround myself with other people who are like me, who think like me online, right? 00:07:28.760 --> 00:07:29.160 Yeah. 00:07:29.340 --> 00:07:40.720 I mean, we're in this weird season of life, 2020, where we're isolated and we're surrounded at the same time, where social media just tends to wear on you. 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:43.780 And there's so much conflict and pain in there. 00:07:43.940 --> 00:07:45.200 And it's very easy. 00:07:45.200 --> 00:07:50.000 I've had friends that are very strong in social media that's like, hey, I'm hanging it up. 00:07:50.080 --> 00:07:51.300 I'm taking a month off. 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:53.320 I'm ignoring this. 00:07:53.500 --> 00:07:56.720 And sometimes getting that margin is healthy. 00:07:57.220 --> 00:07:57.880 I'll be honest. 00:07:58.100 --> 00:08:05.000 On Twitter, I have filters in place that block out a lot of topics that, honestly, I just don't want to get sucked into. 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:08.040 And probably there's nothing wrong with that. 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.820 But more to the place of, hey, let's utilize. 00:08:10.980 --> 00:08:19.180 Remember that these tools are tools not just to communicate, to drive people to a location as a church. 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:34.360 These are tools to engage with people in digital community, to meet people, to dialogue with people, whether they're circles of influence of people that you already know or people that you've never met before that you're going to meet through talking about these topics. 00:08:34.660 --> 00:08:40.060 There's an opportunity for us to really look at this as a digital missionary. 00:08:40.460 --> 00:08:44.120 We're not just promoting physical events. 00:08:44.820 --> 00:09:01.280 The kind of culture, this event-based evangelism, I believe we're kind of moving away from that model, but really it's more driven towards using social media as a tool to engage with people, to dialogue with people, to meet people, build relationships in digital community. 00:09:01.280 --> 00:09:18.200 And this is a philosophical shift that if we can figure this out within the church, this is a very cost-effective way to by far extend the circle of influence that any church or even any individual would have for the purpose of disciple-making. 00:09:18.420 --> 00:09:19.580 So, Ray, what are you thinking off of that? 00:09:19.580 --> 00:09:23.380 And every opportunity is an opportunity to engage an individual. 00:09:23.760 --> 00:09:34.040 So, even if somebody leaves a negative comment on your video or if somebody's there attempting to troll or whatever else, believe it or not, we've actually flipped a lot of those conversations. 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:46.300 We've taken people leaving negative reviews on us on Google or Yelp and leveraged them into gospel conversations and actually invited the person back to church and leveraged that as a way to restore a relationship. 00:09:46.300 --> 00:09:52.440 So, every digital avenue is an opportunity to connect with somebody and to bring them the gospel. 00:09:52.940 --> 00:09:54.760 We can't be afraid of those things. 00:09:55.020 --> 00:09:59.000 And so, don't be afraid of like, quote-unquote, hey, we're going to shut out the haters. 00:09:59.180 --> 00:09:59.400 No. 00:09:59.620 --> 00:10:02.480 Instead, why not engage the community at large? 00:10:03.060 --> 00:10:05.740 Those are the people that God is calling you to reach. 00:10:05.860 --> 00:10:07.740 And, hey, I've been taking my small group through Acts. 00:10:07.900 --> 00:10:14.040 The same Paul that got tossed in jail for preaching the gospel would witness to the jailer that was keeping him there. 00:10:14.520 --> 00:10:19.500 So, if he can do that with a jailer, surely you and I can do that with a troll on the internet. 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:20.400 Yeah. 00:10:21.300 --> 00:10:27.320 Honestly, once again, if you go on the church.digital and search for this within the blogs, there are two conversations. 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:31.060 There are two people right now that I think are doing this phenomenally. 00:10:31.880 --> 00:10:34.060 And so, Patrick Holden up at Nouveau Church. 00:10:34.160 --> 00:10:35.500 I'll tag you in the video. 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:43.540 Patrick is so good at this because what he's doing is, even, he's planning a church in Ohio. 00:10:43.860 --> 00:10:44.980 He was in Michigan. 00:10:45.180 --> 00:10:46.360 He was in another state. 00:10:46.880 --> 00:10:54.540 And he would go into Facebook groups, into groups that were planted in Ohio, where he wanted to plant his church. 00:10:54.880 --> 00:10:59.820 And he'd just start meeting with people within the Facebook group, dialoguing with them through the Facebook group. 00:10:59.820 --> 00:11:03.980 And the people that he liked, you know, start having a conversation with them on Facebook Messenger. 00:11:04.220 --> 00:11:07.740 I'll put the links in the chat for this, but we did a podcast with him. 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:09.040 Phenomenal conversation. 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:09.600 Absolutely. 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:14.400 And it all centered around this dude just relationally meeting and connecting with people digitally. 00:11:15.040 --> 00:11:26.460 And through those, he's building his core team to the point that he's got 50-plus people that are now part of the core team of his church before he even physically moved into the city that he was wanting to plant his church in. 00:11:26.900 --> 00:11:27.080 Yeah. 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:36.560 And ultimately, Patrick's a great example of how, number two, it's really a question of how you're willing to invest there because Patrick's church hasn't launched a physical location yet. 00:11:36.620 --> 00:11:43.180 If you were to ask him what their budget looks like, it's probably not what you would expect in terms of a massive amount because they're a church plant. 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:50.960 They can't do those kinds of things, but he's leveraging every resource that he has, even though it may be little, but he's doing it with excellence. 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:55.000 And he's doing it for the sake of engaging people in the digital community. 00:11:56.400 --> 00:11:57.700 That is so true. 00:11:57.840 --> 00:11:58.000 Yeah. 00:11:58.100 --> 00:11:59.620 And talk about budgets. 00:11:59.760 --> 00:12:01.640 Tyler Sansom over at First Capital Christian. 00:12:01.860 --> 00:12:03.180 Oh, man, that's not a shot. 00:12:03.180 --> 00:12:08.260 But Tyler Sansom, with what he's doing through his church anywhere, budgets don't exist. 00:12:08.460 --> 00:12:10.340 It's a very blue-collar church. 00:12:11.060 --> 00:12:18.140 And as a result of it, Tyler's probably one of the best in the country at this point of realizing, hey, it's not about the technology. 00:12:18.400 --> 00:12:20.120 It's about the individuals. 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:21.720 It's about the relationships. 00:12:22.100 --> 00:12:30.400 And he's got this disciple-making vehicle where he's creating these disciple-makers and unleashing them in physical and digital space. 00:12:30.400 --> 00:12:39.240 It's like Tyler's literally, as him, as an individual, he's engaging with people by playing Hamilton show tunes on YouTube. 00:12:39.560 --> 00:12:46.000 And through that process, building relationships with people around the world, funneling them into a digital church. 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:50.940 And he's encouraging others to utilize social media in the same way. 00:12:51.300 --> 00:12:55.240 Once again, this doesn't have to be free, or this doesn't have to cost money. 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:57.060 You can do this stuff free. 00:12:57.440 --> 00:12:58.160 It's time. 00:12:58.620 --> 00:13:08.120 And if you're not full-time, if you're part-time, if you're a volunteer, however it scales out, there are ways to do this stuff at a very minimal cost. 00:13:08.260 --> 00:13:11.500 It just comes down to you investing in the lives of others. 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:12.940 Well, you nailed it right there, Jeff. 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:17.600 Before we get to the third question, this is one of my favorite TED Talks that many of you are familiar with is good, fast, and cheap. 00:13:17.880 --> 00:13:19.000 You can have two out of three. 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:20.420 You can't have all three. 00:13:20.640 --> 00:13:22.520 So if you're going to have good and cheap, guess what? 00:13:22.660 --> 00:13:23.640 It can't be fast. 00:13:24.140 --> 00:13:25.960 You have to make sure and plan it out. 00:13:26.340 --> 00:13:35.540 And something that I'm not very good at, in fact, one of my leaders, Ben Stapley, kind of took us through this creative kind of exercise to find out what kind of innovator we are. 00:13:35.640 --> 00:13:36.660 And I can be a bit reckless. 00:13:36.820 --> 00:13:39.780 Sometimes I like things rushed, and I want to rush towards innovation. 00:13:39.980 --> 00:13:40.600 Guess what? 00:13:40.700 --> 00:13:52.520 If you want it to be less expensive, and if you want it to be quality, but you don't got the money, then that means that you have to make sure it can take time, and you have to emphasize on making sure that you're doing things well. 00:13:53.620 --> 00:13:53.980 Yep. 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:56.060 Love me some Ben Stapley. 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:56.560 He's right. 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:57.960 Yeah, well, maybe you're a little reckless. 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:02.520 If you're a little reckless, I'm a train wreck waiting to happen. 00:14:02.660 --> 00:14:03.800 I just want to call that out. 00:14:03.900 --> 00:14:04.440 That's so good. 00:14:04.500 --> 00:14:07.500 Number three here, are we called to do this? 00:14:07.500 --> 00:14:11.620 This really is the question that I hear from a lot of churches, and the third large question. 00:14:11.940 --> 00:14:13.040 Are we called to do this thing? 00:14:13.980 --> 00:14:21.840 And so in the experiences that I had, we actually had Eric Geiger on the podcast maybe a year ago, and I asked him this question like, hey, you're a lead pastor. 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:22.700 You have an opinion. 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:24.220 How do I change your opinion? 00:14:25.100 --> 00:14:35.600 And Eric's response back was, as lead pastor of Mariner's Church out in California, one of the questions he asked back is, are there other people that feel the way that you do? 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:45.860 Are there people that want to serve, that have a passion about serving in this area, and my decision is preventing them from fulfilling what God's called them to do? 00:14:46.320 --> 00:15:05.180 So the question that I would ask for a lot of staff that are wanting to explore more of this digital space is, are there volunteers that want to get into that area, or that want to grow, that want to explore it, that maybe leadership needs to understand, hey, there's an opportunity to do something different, and maybe we should shift here. 00:15:05.640 --> 00:15:08.860 So are there lay people passionate about serving and helping? 00:15:09.300 --> 00:15:11.680 By the way, get some of them to cast vision as well. 00:15:11.760 --> 00:15:12.960 Have some of those conversations. 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.280 Start to build this thing up organically. 00:15:16.420 --> 00:15:18.380 That's the beauty of this relational thing. 00:15:18.880 --> 00:15:21.280 You don't need a bunch of system resources. 00:15:21.280 --> 00:15:28.880 It can all be done organically with just a little bit of time and influence that you probably already have. 00:15:29.280 --> 00:15:29.860 That's right. 00:15:30.220 --> 00:15:37.820 The other thing is, and I want to reference, you guys should check out Craig Groeschel's Leadership Podcast, the episode that just came out this week. 00:15:37.880 --> 00:15:38.660 It's about leading up. 00:15:39.660 --> 00:15:45.320 Let me encourage you, because Craig talked about this from the perspective of when he was an understaff at a church. 00:15:45.920 --> 00:15:48.280 You have to, number one, honor your leaders. 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:49.760 You have to honor your leaders. 00:15:49.900 --> 00:15:53.160 If they're not ready to go in a particular direction, don't shove them into it. 00:15:53.600 --> 00:16:00.140 Number two, you have to make sure that whatever it is that you're looking to do digitally plays into the mission and the vision of the church. 00:16:00.280 --> 00:16:01.860 This goes back to the number one question. 00:16:02.280 --> 00:16:03.560 Don't be inauthentic. 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:05.560 It all has to come together. 00:16:05.860 --> 00:16:14.640 Your leadership and you need to be so aligned in terms of how online and how your physical are relating, which is why we talk about physical so much. 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:17.100 It should be the same mission, the same vision. 00:16:17.620 --> 00:16:27.580 And just like we've referenced this a whole bunch, Jeff, Kerry, Newhoff has said, nobody should out-local the local church before you're thinking about, man, but we're going to reach the masses around the world with online. 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:29.120 That's wonderful. 00:16:29.700 --> 00:16:30.620 What about your community? 00:16:31.100 --> 00:16:38.300 So in my case, the question, hey, man, we got connection cards coming in from Africa and from this place, and that's cool, but what about Miami-Dade County? 00:16:39.060 --> 00:16:42.800 Because if we didn't reach Miami-Dade this week, it's wrong we missed. 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:52.100 And so that's something that we have to be concerned about, and that's something that leadership needs to hear because all they're thinking of is dollar signs many times. 00:16:52.520 --> 00:17:06.720 And sometimes if you're an innovator like myself, sometimes all you're talking about is, man, apps and this and this, and you're just thinking of building the future, but you've got to talk about how it all fits into the mission and vision of reaching your community, because that's what your pastors and leaders are thinking of, too. 00:17:07.860 --> 00:17:23.280 By the way, a digital disciple-making process, one that operates physically and digitally towards creating a disciple-maker, is an incredible way to reach and influence a hyper-local area like your town or like your city. 00:17:24.040 --> 00:17:27.760 Nobody has time for disciple-making, nobody has time for these things. 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:36.340 Do it online, make it more convenient for them to go through those processes to have that understanding and allow them to grow spiritually. 00:17:36.600 --> 00:17:40.880 So phenomenal opportunity experience, regardless of where you are. 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:47.880 To be relational, it doesn't cost money, it takes time, and work with who you have. 00:17:48.540 --> 00:17:51.780 Don't brag about the hundreds of people that are watching a service. 00:17:52.220 --> 00:18:10.520 Celebrate the individuals that you're building relationships through the front door of the service and really, really start to change the way your church is operating by celebrating all the wins that you're getting through these relational approach that you're taking through online. 00:18:10.520 --> 00:18:13.840 So, hey, Ray, quickly, as we're wrapping up here, any closing thoughts? 00:18:14.760 --> 00:18:18.280 No, just go reach your community, but do it together with your team. 00:18:18.700 --> 00:18:20.120 Don't just go rogue. 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:21.760 That's not the win either, right? 00:18:22.220 --> 00:18:25.300 Talk to your pastors, talk to your leadership, become aligned. 00:18:25.840 --> 00:18:34.980 First, go listen to that Craig Rochelle episode that I told you about and learn how to lead up as you go through this, and then you can start to think through, okay, so maybe it's not about the big budgets. 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:42.760 Maybe we don't need to start a completely online campus next year, but how can we be authentic to who we are and at the same time reach people online? 00:18:43.060 --> 00:18:43.520 Go for it. 00:18:44.120 --> 00:18:46.120 Yeah, we really don't script these things. 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:47.380 I just want to say for the record. 00:18:47.460 --> 00:18:54.260 So we hit two or three resources today that we'll put, I'll go back and I'll put them into the comment sections and everywhere. 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:55.620 Just so you guys have them. 00:18:55.660 --> 00:18:57.700 The two podcasts and we'll hit this Groeschelle thing. 00:18:58.100 --> 00:18:59.440 So you'll find it in there soon. 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:00.680 Awesome resources. 00:19:00.820 --> 00:19:04.160 Hey, Ray, as always, it's great to hang out with you. 00:19:04.540 --> 00:19:06.440 Hey, church, beta in this stuff. 00:19:06.580 --> 00:19:07.520 Experiment with it. 00:19:07.600 --> 00:19:09.960 You know, even here talking about being relational. 00:19:10.500 --> 00:19:18.140 It's maybe take a couple people and give them the opportunity to explore, to experiment, to build relationships. 00:19:18.940 --> 00:19:21.780 Give them some leeway just to do it. 00:19:21.860 --> 00:19:22.540 See what happens. 00:19:23.100 --> 00:19:25.620 Staff person, if you're like, Jeff, I don't have time. 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:27.380 Two hours a week? 00:19:27.620 --> 00:19:28.480 Three hours a week? 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:29.980 Figure something else out. 00:19:30.040 --> 00:19:34.520 Start to give some of your other responsibilities to volunteer so you can go in a different direction. 00:19:34.520 --> 00:19:40.540 There's opportunities to explore at a much higher level here to do something different. 00:19:40.940 --> 00:19:43.760 So I have been called three times in this broadcast. 00:19:43.940 --> 00:19:46.160 Somebody is desperately trying to get in touch with me. 00:19:46.420 --> 00:19:49.680 So we're going to wrap right here and I'm going to figure out who's been blowing up my phone. 00:19:50.280 --> 00:19:53.180 For Ray, this is Jeff at the Church Digital and Stadia Church Planning. 00:19:53.300 --> 00:19:56.160 It's awesome hanging out with you here with you on beta. 00:19:56.360 --> 00:19:57.940 And we'll see you next time here at the show.