WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.860 Hey, welcome to The Beta Show, Episode 7 here with the Church Digital Podcast, Data Church Planning. 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:12.000 Jeff here, once again, joined by Ray DeArmis, digital pastor over at Christ Fellowship Miami. 00:00:12.180 --> 00:00:13.380 You want to say hey to anybody, Ray? 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:14.800 What's going on, everybody? 00:00:15.040 --> 00:00:16.200 Can't wait for you, 2021. 00:00:16.540 --> 00:00:17.400 You're right around the corner. 00:00:17.520 --> 00:00:18.620 Can't wait to give you a big old hug. 00:00:19.780 --> 00:00:25.880 So here with The Beta Show, at least towards the end of 2020, you know, Ray gave a tease to it. 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:28.140 I don't know about you, but we're tired. 00:00:28.140 --> 00:00:29.940 It's been a long stretch. 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:32.240 And so occasionally, we're going to do a little something different. 00:00:32.380 --> 00:00:34.000 We did the Cray Show last week. 00:00:34.340 --> 00:00:36.340 We talked about the greatness of Thanksgiving. 00:00:36.540 --> 00:00:40.340 You can go back and check that out on YouTube if you're really interested in that. 00:00:40.340 --> 00:00:40.920 Ribs giving, guys. 00:00:41.140 --> 00:00:41.860 It was amazing. 00:00:42.020 --> 00:00:42.580 It was so good. 00:00:43.140 --> 00:00:44.000 Ribs giving. 00:00:44.220 --> 00:00:45.720 Mine was hashtag salmon. 00:00:46.420 --> 00:00:49.040 I ate at a restaurant at Disney World, which was awesome. 00:00:49.120 --> 00:00:51.740 But that's another conversation entirely. 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:55.780 But here for The Beta Show today, we want to answer your questions. 00:00:55.940 --> 00:00:57.240 And that's what we do here at The Beta Show. 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:02.260 We answer questions on online ministries submitted by people like you. 00:01:02.400 --> 00:01:07.100 So go ahead and text your questions in 484-324-8724. 00:01:07.300 --> 00:01:09.760 We'll answer them in a future episode. 00:01:09.960 --> 00:01:11.100 By the way, we are live. 00:01:11.300 --> 00:01:18.360 And chances are we can see and interact with you with Facebook, at least, in the comments. 00:01:18.460 --> 00:01:20.880 So if you're on Facebook, comment in there. 00:01:20.960 --> 00:01:21.720 It'll pop up. 00:01:21.780 --> 00:01:24.140 I already see a comment here right now. 00:01:24.220 --> 00:01:24.860 Dan Tebow. 00:01:25.240 --> 00:01:26.140 What up, guys? 00:01:26.340 --> 00:01:26.600 Okay. 00:01:26.700 --> 00:01:27.340 Well done, sir. 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:28.220 Moving on. 00:01:28.320 --> 00:01:29.660 By the way, Dan Tebow. 00:01:29.800 --> 00:01:31.440 Was that this week or was that last week? 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:35.560 The Liberty University interview. 00:01:35.660 --> 00:01:36.120 It's this week. 00:01:36.520 --> 00:01:39.360 Dan Tebow is on our podcast here at the Church Digital Podcast. 00:01:40.060 --> 00:01:44.560 He and Professor Lowe, who's a Liberty University professor. 00:01:44.700 --> 00:01:45.040 Awesome. 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:47.040 Talking about academia and church online. 00:01:47.460 --> 00:01:48.260 Great stuff there. 00:01:48.320 --> 00:01:48.700 Hey, Dan. 00:01:49.240 --> 00:01:50.200 Good to know you're out there. 00:01:50.360 --> 00:01:51.840 Here's what we're going to talk about this week. 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:53.280 Episode 7 here. 00:01:53.700 --> 00:01:54.060 Experiment. 00:01:54.340 --> 00:01:57.760 Learn to fire BBs before bullets before bombs. 00:01:58.240 --> 00:01:59.300 I always like this. 00:01:59.360 --> 00:02:01.720 BBs before bullets before bombs. 00:02:01.800 --> 00:02:03.440 Let's get to the heart of the question here. 00:02:04.020 --> 00:02:06.360 I talked to my church leadership. 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.040 This is a question texted in to us. 00:02:09.040 --> 00:02:16.180 I talked my church leadership into trying a viewer interactive service this Christmas. 00:02:16.440 --> 00:02:20.520 I'm a volunteer tasked with creating the format. 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:22.820 Staff will execute logistics. 00:02:23.740 --> 00:02:31.260 How can I start small, shoot BBs before bullets before bombs, and set us up for hopeful success to build on? 00:02:31.600 --> 00:02:31.800 Okay. 00:02:32.200 --> 00:02:33.280 Interesting question. 00:02:34.060 --> 00:02:34.560 You know, it's funny. 00:02:34.660 --> 00:02:37.260 Even Ray and I were talking off air here a little bit here. 00:02:37.540 --> 00:02:43.100 Not exactly sure what a viewer interactive service would look like. 00:02:43.180 --> 00:02:45.120 Those are some interesting words. 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:52.220 And I'm hoping there's some culture within the church of, hey, like, we're used to doing this sort of thing. 00:02:52.220 --> 00:03:01.480 And it's not just somebody trying something ridiculous out of left field in a very terrifying time, maybe, like it is with Christmas. 00:03:01.480 --> 00:03:02.920 But I love the heart of this. 00:03:02.920 --> 00:03:09.240 I love the fact that it's a volunteer that's challenging the church, maybe. 00:03:09.580 --> 00:03:10.760 Hey, we can do this. 00:03:11.020 --> 00:03:12.180 What if we did it this way? 00:03:12.380 --> 00:03:20.040 Like, so often, some key volunteers that are in my life, they're still friends that are still pushing me in certain ways. 00:03:20.100 --> 00:03:26.920 And so I love that relationship where volunteers can maybe push the church into challenging and to trying something different. 00:03:26.920 --> 00:03:29.280 So, Ray, what are you thinking when you look at this question? 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:31.140 I love that folks dream big. 00:03:31.740 --> 00:03:33.840 And we want to continue to dream big. 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:35.940 Jeff and I love dreaming big. 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:37.500 And we love, like, experimenting. 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:48.340 However, and this is something to kind of key into as we key into what a BB or what a bullet and then what a BB looks like is you got to make sure that the fundamentals are done no matter what. 00:03:48.980 --> 00:03:50.800 Dunking a basketball is fantastic. 00:03:51.060 --> 00:03:53.700 If you're not able to dribble, though, you're not touching the league. 00:03:53.800 --> 00:04:06.920 And so you got to make sure that the fundamentals are still very, very important and crucial in terms of testing because this is big because especially with COVID, everybody keeps thinking high tech, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. 00:04:07.040 --> 00:04:12.960 But if some of the fundamentals and basics of creating community and all that aren't there, then really you're going to do one great experience. 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:14.420 Everybody's going to be like, wow, that was awesome. 00:04:14.420 --> 00:04:16.740 But then you're going to see a little return on the back end. 00:04:16.820 --> 00:04:18.340 You're going to ask yourself, well, was it really worth it? 00:04:18.440 --> 00:04:20.620 And we don't want we don't want you to experience that. 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:22.220 Love that. 00:04:22.260 --> 00:04:25.020 That's actually sets up one of the things that I was going to say. 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:27.520 And I didn't even tell Ray I was going to talk about this. 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:28.440 It was last minute drop. 00:04:28.880 --> 00:04:31.460 Somebody out in the Twitter sphere tweeted this this morning. 00:04:31.900 --> 00:04:33.180 And I forget who it was. 00:04:33.200 --> 00:04:34.120 So if it was you, I'm sorry. 00:04:34.520 --> 00:04:36.680 Be consistent before you innovate. 00:04:37.500 --> 00:04:39.500 Don't be the guy that's just coming out of left field. 00:04:39.640 --> 00:04:42.100 Oh, I want to do this and then go and do it. 00:04:42.100 --> 00:04:49.820 Be consistent with the regular create that that culture, create that standard, get more people involved with you before there. 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:50.740 Be consistent. 00:04:51.060 --> 00:04:54.640 Don't be afraid of innovation, of experimenting, of doing it. 00:04:54.640 --> 00:05:00.260 But to the point of if you can't run, if you can't even walk, why are you going to try to run? 00:05:00.740 --> 00:05:03.560 If you can't run, why are you going to try to run that marathon? 00:05:03.880 --> 00:05:05.760 Like do some simple steps. 00:05:05.860 --> 00:05:10.400 Make sure you're good at that, that your team, your group is good with that and move on. 00:05:10.880 --> 00:05:16.560 The ultimate thing you want to do is, you know, analysis, paralysis, stuck in a rut, working Sunday to Sunday. 00:05:16.880 --> 00:05:19.680 You're just trying to, the church is just trying to be comfortable. 00:05:19.880 --> 00:05:23.700 They're in that groove and they're afraid to experiment and try something. 00:05:23.840 --> 00:05:28.880 Or, you know, the average church I hear time and time again, we just, Jeff, we just don't have time. 00:05:29.380 --> 00:05:30.940 There's not enough hours in the day. 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:38.060 We're so busy doing the stuff that we're doing that we don't actually really want to try to do anything different. 00:05:38.760 --> 00:05:46.480 And that's the challenge, you know, from a guy that's been on church staff for years and talking and helping churches in the season. 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:53.320 That's so often that I tell people, church staff people think they're the busiest people on the planet. 00:05:53.940 --> 00:05:55.560 And I don't know if it's actually true. 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:57.700 Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:02.020 But that Sunday morning, 9 a.m., it's 167 hours away. 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:03.220 There's so much work. 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.640 There's so much preparation that goes into that one hour. 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:19.140 Talking here in the U.S. church model, that sometimes we're afraid to set goals for higher standards, to try to change, do something different, because we've got that routine that's in place. 00:06:19.660 --> 00:06:28.320 And I love the fact with this question that we've got a volunteer that's challenging that and challenging the church to kind of step through that. 00:06:28.520 --> 00:06:29.500 Right, Ray, any thoughts on that? 00:06:29.860 --> 00:06:34.040 So, you know, you talk about analysis paralysis and being stuck in a rut there. 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:43.280 The hardest thing, I think, is to stay focused on whatever your goal is with this online broadcast or with what it is that you're trying to do. 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:48.080 And so you want to make sure, Mr. Volunteer Person, that you don't get a whole lot of chefs in the kitchen. 00:06:48.320 --> 00:06:58.140 You take input from folks, but ultimately there has to be an overarching decision maker who's saying we've got to stay focused on our goal because if not, and this is my experience with online stuff, this has been Jeff's experience. 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:02.640 I mean, listen, you've got a great dream, but a lot of other people have got a great dream for your dream. 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:05.940 And so they're going to want to start pulling it in different directions. 00:07:06.060 --> 00:07:08.680 And the next thing you know, the whole thing ends up lost and nothing's been done. 00:07:08.740 --> 00:07:09.140 And guess what? 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:10.300 The service is tomorrow. 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:16.920 So you want to make sure and have whatever is the focus of that and then continue to drive towards that. 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:28.240 And then if at all possible, pick one platform, whatever your church's best platform is, whether it's Facebook, YouTube, but pick one, don't go all of them, pick one platform and aim for that. 00:07:28.400 --> 00:07:36.520 This way, communication wise, you can be very, very clear to your church, especially like if you don't have clear or good communication to your church, a lot of this is going to get lost in the mix. 00:07:36.520 --> 00:07:40.580 Like if you're sending them six or seven emails a day, they're going to ignore this. 00:07:40.740 --> 00:07:43.680 So I'm telling you right now, you have to be very, very clear. 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:45.140 This is what we're doing. 00:07:45.280 --> 00:07:46.100 This is where you can go. 00:07:46.180 --> 00:07:47.240 And this is how you can find it. 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:51.580 Because I guarantee you, your staff is going to evaluate this by how many people engage with it. 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:52.800 So that's going to be very important. 00:07:53.440 --> 00:08:20.380 Yeah, and it's very, very true there for the volunteer or the staff person, you know, like Ray was saying, understand the situation that you're walking into more, not only like the opportunity that's available to try to do something different, but even the situation of, hey, the production director, the tech guy who's on staff for the church just had a second kid and is really busy office hours time wise. 00:08:20.380 --> 00:08:28.380 And it may be a headache or, or the lead pastor is struggling with the idea of, hey, you know what, we're seeing 30% attendance in our building. 00:08:28.760 --> 00:08:31.000 I'm really not sure on this whole digital thing. 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:40.020 And maybe I'm questioning, or maybe even the financial stress, the church may be under because they're seeing a 20 to 30% dip in giving because of the economical situation. 00:08:40.420 --> 00:08:48.020 All of this feeds into the experiment because what you are doing is you are wanting to change the situation. 00:08:48.220 --> 00:08:50.960 You're wanting to change the rut. 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:55.140 Meanwhile, everyone else in the church is trying to get back to the rut. 00:08:55.340 --> 00:08:58.240 They want to get 100% of people back in the building. 00:08:58.420 --> 00:08:59.840 They want to get the giving up. 00:08:59.960 --> 00:09:03.120 They, they, they want to get back to their normal work environments. 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:10.980 And sometimes, you know, they're, they're hesitant to try different things when in fact, in the season, you need to try different things. 00:09:10.980 --> 00:09:13.480 So really understand that situation. 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:23.560 And, and even to the point that Will Ray was saying, if you're a volunteer trying a different thing, have a single staff content, content, who you are working through. 00:09:23.900 --> 00:09:29.680 Because so often in these staff environments, oh, I got to talk to this guy about this, this guy to this, this guy about this. 00:09:29.760 --> 00:09:32.920 And all of a sudden you're three, four, five, six, nine people along. 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:42.280 And I've just seen it time and time again, where the volunteer gets fried and gets, gets lost because different people have different responsibilities to check out. 00:09:42.520 --> 00:09:48.700 So, so find that one person who's on staff, who's bought into it and, and, and run with it. 00:09:48.700 --> 00:10:01.380 Or if, if you're at a small church, talk to those volunteers that, that are key holders, that, that are stakeholders in what you're trying to do and get them to own some of this responsibility as well. 00:10:01.380 --> 00:10:05.520 Do not be the guy who's trying to do a church experiment in a vacuum. 00:10:05.520 --> 00:10:07.800 It takes more than that. 00:10:08.180 --> 00:10:10.800 Let me, let me segue here to number two, play in the sandbox. 00:10:12.060 --> 00:10:18.480 Know the technology, know what you're experimenting with long before you get to the broadcast. 00:10:18.620 --> 00:10:23.880 Whatever you're trying to do the day when it, when it, when it's going live, uh, don't, don't get any surprises. 00:10:23.880 --> 00:10:26.780 Don't be like, oh, what does this button do? 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:29.880 I've, I've been that guy in the middle of the actual thing. 00:10:29.940 --> 00:10:31.860 I've never actually seen this button before. 00:10:31.940 --> 00:10:33.260 Let me, oh, dang it. 00:10:33.260 --> 00:10:34.040 It's all gone. 00:10:34.100 --> 00:10:35.400 What do I, what do I do now? 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:36.480 Don't be that guy. 00:10:36.800 --> 00:10:39.500 Play in the sandbox long before you get to that point. 00:10:39.580 --> 00:10:41.600 Work out all the, all, all the. 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:42.320 The kinks. 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:47.420 So when you're actually going into the day of, there's no surprises in, in what's happening. 00:10:47.420 --> 00:10:47.640 Right. 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:48.160 What do you got? 00:10:48.160 --> 00:10:52.420 And then along with that, like, so play in the sandbox for sure. 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:54.920 Test out all your AV stuff in advance. 00:10:54.920 --> 00:10:57.900 Cause that's usually the stuff that kind of poops out and then keep it simple. 00:10:57.900 --> 00:10:59.940 Keep your programming is super simple. 00:11:00.500 --> 00:11:05.680 Um, uh, especially in regards to shooting a BB or bullet, like have one place where you're shooting. 00:11:06.260 --> 00:11:07.980 Don't say, Hey, we're going to go here. 00:11:07.980 --> 00:11:08.920 And then we're going to go here. 00:11:08.920 --> 00:11:11.420 And then we're going to shoot over to this person's phone and they're going to take over on live. 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:12.660 Don't do any of that. 00:11:12.900 --> 00:11:14.580 And same thing with your chat situation. 00:11:14.580 --> 00:11:19.060 Like if you're going to talk about like interacting with people, do it all through chat, like encourage 00:11:19.060 --> 00:11:23.540 people like to interact with the chat, have chat volunteers on, you know, on site, like 00:11:23.540 --> 00:11:27.860 to type in and to take part in it below the zoom experience and all this stuff. 00:11:27.920 --> 00:11:29.340 I've seen a lot of churches do that. 00:11:29.340 --> 00:11:32.660 And I, and I know that a lot of churches are, are taking a look at that. 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:36.960 The tough thing is, is that when you talk about interaction, when you talk about like table 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.680 interaction, we don't do our services that way where it's like, all right, we're going to 00:11:39.680 --> 00:11:40.720 pause the message right now. 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:43.620 And we're going to hear from our audience, you know, kind of like Donahue used to do, 00:11:43.620 --> 00:11:46.040 or like, you know, your, your daytime talk shows, right? 00:11:46.280 --> 00:11:48.040 Like, that's not what we're there to do. 00:11:48.100 --> 00:11:51.940 We're there to, you know, give content, but then to engage with them through the content. 00:11:52.160 --> 00:11:56.080 And so as you're playing through the sandbox, think through what that experience is going 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.860 to be like, and then use the kiss strategy, keep it simple, stupid, right? 00:11:59.860 --> 00:12:02.820 Like as simple as possible, and then roadmap it out. 00:12:02.900 --> 00:12:06.300 If you're going to have discussion questions, roadmap it out, have your chat volunteers aware 00:12:06.300 --> 00:12:09.260 ahead of time and help them guide the conversation along the way. 00:12:10.220 --> 00:12:10.700 Yeah. 00:12:10.880 --> 00:12:13.460 Plan everything out in advance. 00:12:13.620 --> 00:12:15.080 Let me just roll through some bullets here. 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:20.780 Test the technology often, learn all aspects of the technology that you're testing and 00:12:20.780 --> 00:12:26.820 experimenting, even the ones you don't need today, know what it can do so that you can grow so 00:12:26.820 --> 00:12:27.900 that it can scale with you. 00:12:28.020 --> 00:12:34.840 And if, and if a platform is way over engineered and there's a simpler solution, don't be afraid 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:36.540 of the simpler solution for today. 00:12:36.660 --> 00:12:41.360 Don't necessarily buy the platform you need for tomorrow, buy the platform you need for today. 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:44.440 Write the small checks before you write the big checks. 00:12:44.620 --> 00:12:50.780 Make sure that your organization has bought into the culture, into the DNA that wants to 00:12:50.780 --> 00:12:53.400 own the responsibility of what you're stepping into. 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.320 And if you can do that on a free platform or a cheap platform, as opposed to an enterprise 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.860 level platform, well, it's better to learn those lessons at $19.99 a month, as opposed 00:13:03.860 --> 00:13:08.140 to, I don't know, $500 a month or whatever the higher price point is. 00:13:08.180 --> 00:13:09.980 You know, all those things can grow up. 00:13:09.980 --> 00:13:14.900 And so number three here, establish culture, invite others to play with you. 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:19.300 And especially if there's dollar figures that are, that are involved, invite other people 00:13:19.300 --> 00:13:22.480 into the sandbox, let them play, get their feedback, get, get. 00:13:23.180 --> 00:13:25.380 It's one thing to have, and this is a mistake. 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:28.280 Honestly, I've made this mistake in, in, in church life. 00:13:28.420 --> 00:13:30.900 It's one thing to be the owner of an idea. 00:13:31.400 --> 00:13:37.020 It's another to be a catalyst of an idea that now other people own. 00:13:37.700 --> 00:13:41.940 And so the more that you get other people to own the technology, to own the experiment, 00:13:42.140 --> 00:13:46.100 to own this, whether it's staff or whether it's volunteers, this is where you get buy-in. 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:51.640 This ownership of that idea is going to allow it to become part of the culture of, of what 00:13:51.640 --> 00:13:52.320 your church is. 00:13:52.380 --> 00:13:54.740 And the idea will solidify much quicker. 00:13:54.900 --> 00:13:56.140 It'll be far more effective. 00:13:56.300 --> 00:14:01.200 And you're going to be able to utilize other people other than just yourself to execute 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:03.080 it on a regular basis. 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:06.100 So don't be afraid to invite others in the sandbox. 00:14:06.100 --> 00:14:11.100 Even if you don't know all the details, you don't have the finished solution for it yet. 00:14:11.560 --> 00:14:14.940 Bring them in, let them be part of this. 00:14:15.060 --> 00:14:17.520 So love where this conversation is going. 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:18.720 Let's move on to the next one here. 00:14:19.520 --> 00:14:22.100 Go public before you go public. 00:14:22.660 --> 00:14:24.520 Here's what I, here's what I mean by this. 00:14:24.520 --> 00:14:29.720 If you're, if you are wanting to do something on a Sunday morning, you're wanting to experiment 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:35.680 with something on a Sunday morning, a Sunday morning is a horrible time to go public with 00:14:35.680 --> 00:14:37.020 an experiment for the first time. 00:14:37.260 --> 00:14:44.860 So find ways to go public with the technology, with the experiment, with this adjustment, with 00:14:44.860 --> 00:14:48.060 this new idea before you get to the Sunday morning service. 00:14:48.300 --> 00:14:52.680 Now, now Ray, you were talking about like a, you know, a Tuesday or a Thursday. 00:14:52.680 --> 00:14:57.160 Like what, what are some examples of some ways maybe that we can roll out and do something 00:14:57.160 --> 00:14:58.840 here about going public before public? 00:14:59.020 --> 00:15:04.060 It's really easy to have a test run ahead of time on an off night that will allow for 00:15:04.060 --> 00:15:07.460 you to get all the kinks out of the system, but at the same time to cast some vision. 00:15:07.460 --> 00:15:11.660 So, you know, you can even tell people, uh, Hey, listen, and you can invite them into this 00:15:11.660 --> 00:15:11.980 process. 00:15:11.980 --> 00:15:12.820 We've done this. 00:15:12.880 --> 00:15:15.620 We have legit done this when we've done like Instagram live sessions. 00:15:15.880 --> 00:15:18.500 Hey, church family, we are testing this out. 00:15:19.260 --> 00:15:22.560 And so we want to thank you for joining us here on Instagram live. 00:15:22.680 --> 00:15:26.160 And so if you got any comments right now, go ahead and drop them in because we are testing 00:15:26.160 --> 00:15:26.620 this out. 00:15:26.820 --> 00:15:31.540 We've legit done that because number one, we don't want to set a false precedent in our 00:15:31.540 --> 00:15:31.960 account. 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.260 Like we're not going live with the express purpose of that, but then I'll even use that 00:15:35.260 --> 00:15:35.680 to promo. 00:15:35.820 --> 00:15:40.580 Hey, but ultimately we're testing this out for Friday night, Friday night. 00:15:40.580 --> 00:15:43.280 We're doing our live service, you know, right here on Instagram live. 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:44.500 We want you to join us here. 00:15:44.700 --> 00:15:48.520 So make sure and test this out with us and let us know if it's working on your end. 00:15:48.580 --> 00:15:51.160 And you'd be surprised how many people give the thumbs up loud and clear. 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:51.940 Everything's great. 00:15:52.220 --> 00:15:54.060 No, you're, you're, you sound a little distorted, right? 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:55.260 Your wifi is a little bit off. 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:56.460 You know, your signal's not good. 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:58.700 That's a great way to go public before you go public. 00:15:58.700 --> 00:15:59.180 And guess what? 00:15:59.220 --> 00:16:02.980 People will be very forgiving about this because they're looking forward to something that 00:16:02.980 --> 00:16:03.900 you're going to do next. 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.020 And then afterwards, the great thing with live streams is you can delete them. 00:16:08.040 --> 00:16:09.320 That's the great, awesome thing. 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:10.820 You can go back and delete it. 00:16:10.820 --> 00:16:13.380 So it doesn't have to live forever on the internet. 00:16:13.620 --> 00:16:17.120 You know, you can go back and delete it once you're done going public before you go public, 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:20.060 but it's another great way to point forward doing that test run. 00:16:20.180 --> 00:16:21.900 It's a great way to point forward at what's coming next. 00:16:22.620 --> 00:16:22.780 Yeah. 00:16:22.900 --> 00:16:29.380 I mean, things like a, a Monday or Tuesday, uh, devotional thought by the lead pastor, 00:16:29.380 --> 00:16:34.100 utilizing the technology that's pointing towards a Sunday morning service, or you're doing an 00:16:34.100 --> 00:16:39.580 advent countdown for five weeks where you're, you're using this technology in a way to lead 00:16:39.580 --> 00:16:41.420 up and into the Christmas holidays. 00:16:41.620 --> 00:16:44.900 There's lots of, there's so many easy ways right now. 00:16:44.900 --> 00:16:49.560 And it really just look, look at how your church operates and utilize the technology to, 00:16:49.680 --> 00:16:50.700 to communicate. 00:16:50.700 --> 00:16:57.260 But what you're gaining from this is, Hey, when all the eyes are on Sunday or whatever the, 00:16:57.260 --> 00:17:01.760 you know, the 20th, the 22nd, whatever the Sunday's before, or that Christmas Eve service, 00:17:01.900 --> 00:17:07.180 obviously the 24th on that date, before all the eyes are on the high pressure situation, 00:17:07.760 --> 00:17:13.120 everyone is comfortable with the technology they're rolling because they've done it at least once 00:17:13.120 --> 00:17:15.880 earlier in the week, if not multiple times. 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:23.620 And so you're walking into that Christmas Eve service with a much higher level of confidence. 00:17:23.980 --> 00:17:27.340 Lead pastor is knowing, Hey, that camera is going to work. 00:17:27.700 --> 00:17:29.940 Hey, this is how I need to address the audience. 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:31.400 This is how I handle that situation. 00:17:32.040 --> 00:17:33.680 Everybody's got a couple of repetitions. 00:17:33.900 --> 00:17:39.080 They're more comfortable as opposed to if it was the first time it would be, Oh, dear God, 00:17:39.080 --> 00:17:41.840 if you're out there, please no offense on they're out there. 00:17:41.900 --> 00:17:44.400 He's out there, dear God, please let this work. 00:17:44.620 --> 00:17:47.720 Cause that's the worst thing that, that, that you want to have to happen. 00:17:48.260 --> 00:17:53.060 Work with it, be comfortable with it, take it public before you're really wanting to take 00:17:53.060 --> 00:17:53.520 it public. 00:17:54.360 --> 00:17:54.860 That's good. 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:58.620 And that's going to, that's going to lead us in to this. 00:17:58.760 --> 00:17:59.600 I love this. 00:17:59.660 --> 00:18:07.340 Anytime that you experiment here, uh, evaluate, celebrate and iterate, iterate, uh, evaluate. 00:18:07.540 --> 00:18:08.080 Did it work? 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:08.760 Did it not work? 00:18:08.800 --> 00:18:10.060 Is this the right platform? 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:11.520 Is it the wrong platform? 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:13.220 Did the technology work and fail? 00:18:13.300 --> 00:18:14.680 Did the people buy into it? 00:18:15.020 --> 00:18:18.460 Does it really fit into our culture with any experiment? 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:22.300 Um, we need to be comfortable with the idea of asking questions. 00:18:22.460 --> 00:18:28.360 And by the way, um, we need to become comfortable with celebrating the wins as, as well as the losses. 00:18:28.660 --> 00:18:30.840 Hey, that, that did not work. 00:18:31.080 --> 00:18:32.860 And that's not a bad thing. 00:18:32.860 --> 00:18:37.920 That's a good thing because that failure is going to take us a step closer to the next 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:38.200 thing. 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:39.280 That is the win. 00:18:39.280 --> 00:18:43.780 It's going to help us get past this area where we potentially could be stuck. 00:18:44.060 --> 00:18:45.260 Don't get stuck there. 00:18:45.620 --> 00:18:47.400 Keep moving to the next thing. 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:53.940 So like this, this, this, uh, person here, this volunteer who's doing this idea with, um, 00:18:54.220 --> 00:18:58.380 this interactive new thing, I, I, I don't know if it's going to work. 00:18:58.420 --> 00:19:00.060 I don't know if the people are going to buy into it. 00:19:00.120 --> 00:19:01.440 I don't know if, Hey, you know what? 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:02.940 It's, it's, it's the first shot. 00:19:03.140 --> 00:19:04.880 Maybe that first shot is going to be horrible. 00:19:04.980 --> 00:19:06.420 Maybe that second shot will get better. 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:12.580 Maybe the third will get better, but roll through time to really evaluate what's happening. 00:19:13.500 --> 00:19:19.060 Celebrate the win, celebrate the losses of it, and then take the time to iterate, experiment, 00:19:19.060 --> 00:19:23.520 um, do another version of it, a revision of it. 00:19:23.520 --> 00:19:28.780 Change something that you've learned from the first section into the second section and see 00:19:28.780 --> 00:19:29.820 if it gets better. 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:35.460 That's how we grow and experiment to the point of where we eventually get to success and the 00:19:35.460 --> 00:19:39.540 church, man, in the season, there's so much we can learn from this type of thing, right? 00:19:39.580 --> 00:19:39.900 What do you think? 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:40.280 Absolutely. 00:19:40.580 --> 00:19:44.920 And document, document everything, all your evaluations, all your celebrations, all that 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:49.320 stuff, document it so that you can know better for, Hey, so we're going to do this again, 00:19:49.320 --> 00:19:50.660 or, Hey, we're never going to do this again. 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:51.220 And here's why. 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:55.720 Um, but you at least need to have a good understanding of what worked and what didn't work. 00:19:55.860 --> 00:19:59.580 And then of course, and we, you know, we've talked about, uh, on our podcast, the feedback 00:19:59.580 --> 00:20:03.140 sandwich, don't give the feedback sandwich of, Hey, great thing, bad thing, great thing. 00:20:03.140 --> 00:20:07.220 Like go through all the good document that then go through all the bad and document that 00:20:07.220 --> 00:20:09.620 and be as specific as possible. 00:20:09.620 --> 00:20:10.640 Oh, this didn't work. 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:12.040 Why didn't it work? 00:20:12.220 --> 00:20:13.380 How could it have been better? 00:20:13.820 --> 00:20:15.500 Uh, what will you do next time? 00:20:15.500 --> 00:20:18.540 If you do this, et cetera, it has to be specific. 00:20:18.540 --> 00:20:22.620 You have to ask a lot better questions and then make sure that you're not the only person 00:20:22.620 --> 00:20:23.520 who's evaluating it. 00:20:23.520 --> 00:20:26.260 And please, please, please, because we do this too often in church world. 00:20:26.380 --> 00:20:27.420 Don't accept bro. 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:28.920 It was awesome or bro. 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:30.580 It sucks as an evaluation. 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:33.240 No, that that's not it. 00:20:33.280 --> 00:20:34.700 It has to be more than that. 00:20:34.780 --> 00:20:35.740 What about it was great. 00:20:35.940 --> 00:20:36.920 What about it was bad. 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:38.080 How can we improve? 00:20:39.120 --> 00:20:40.020 We got to get better. 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:41.380 That's awesome. 00:20:41.460 --> 00:20:42.860 Dan Tebow is still out there. 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:43.640 Amen. 00:20:43.840 --> 00:20:46.980 We need to learn more from our failures. 00:20:46.980 --> 00:20:49.580 And so what, what, what, what, what to count that out. 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:50.020 That's man. 00:20:50.020 --> 00:20:53.000 That's a serious looking Facebook profile photo over there. 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:55.940 Yeah, it's just right, right there. 00:20:56.080 --> 00:20:57.920 By the way, I just want to give, give a shout out. 00:20:57.980 --> 00:21:03.440 Jamie, uh, Robbins Robinson over on Facebook, another podcast guest in recent weeks. 00:21:03.660 --> 00:21:04.600 Uh, Hey friends. 00:21:04.660 --> 00:21:05.160 Hey Jamie. 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:07.780 Um, that was good for the plug there. 00:21:07.780 --> 00:21:08.460 That, that was great. 00:21:08.460 --> 00:21:15.700 So the challenge really for us is, is to learn how to, uh, evaluate, celebrate, iterate and, and document. 00:21:16.360 --> 00:21:23.160 Um, you've been hanging around Ben Stapley a lot with, uh, it, it helps. 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:28.000 No, it's that, that right there, because at least for us, and it's not just in the, um, in the services. 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:35.240 Cause we do document celebrations and things that we need to change week to week, but everything from last week, we did some grateful news for Thanksgiving. 00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:38.240 Uh, we, we need to know where we're doing well and where we're not. 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:43.420 And the only way we can do that is by having some kind of, of a visible scorecard with sports. 00:21:43.420 --> 00:21:47.760 You can know where you are just by looking at the scoreboard with church, man. 00:21:47.760 --> 00:21:55.180 We're so fast Sunday to Sunday that sometimes it's easy to forget where we goofed and how we can make sure that it doesn't happen again. 00:21:55.180 --> 00:21:59.580 And I've been in on church staffs where it's like, oh man, why are we repeating the same mistake? 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:06.400 Well, we never stopped, evaluated and then decided, okay, this is how we're going to improve to ensure that we don't go back to that. 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:08.560 So it's important to document. 00:22:09.760 --> 00:22:13.860 Recognize culture of your church is going to fight against the change. 00:22:14.360 --> 00:22:18.900 Um, as, as a general rule, maybe your church is, is the exception to the rule. 00:22:19.060 --> 00:22:24.280 You're the needle in the haystack, but as a general rule, church is going to fight against that change. 00:22:24.280 --> 00:22:26.620 Um, that doesn't mean you're wrong. 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:32.180 It just means that you need to be aware that there's going to be that tension pushing against. 00:22:32.180 --> 00:22:40.800 And so take the time to evaluate, take the time to, to celebrate, iterate, document, and, and grow through this. 00:22:40.940 --> 00:22:45.140 Um, take the time to experiment that, that is so key for the church today. 00:22:45.140 --> 00:22:51.980 And for our friends here, um, wrapping up, I'm really intrigued what a live viewer interactive service experience is. 00:22:52.180 --> 00:22:54.760 And so if, if you are watching this, let us know. 00:22:54.760 --> 00:22:59.280 Um, and I, I, I really will kind of, I'm curious to see how this actually goes. 00:22:59.340 --> 00:23:02.220 The person didn't give their name, uh, on the text. 00:23:02.220 --> 00:23:10.360 Uh, but it's, here, here's what, and once again, I want to salute you, whoever this is, because you're the volunteer who's, who's pushing the church. 00:23:10.420 --> 00:23:13.780 You're, you're the guy who's not paid, uh, to be there. 00:23:14.020 --> 00:23:19.840 And you are, you're owning the ministry to the level that you're challenging them to do things different. 00:23:20.320 --> 00:23:32.640 Um, by the way, staff, people watching this, celebrate these people in your church, listen to them, support them, challenge them, and let them lead your church. 00:23:33.120 --> 00:23:41.580 Um, the, your department, your organizations, your ministries, whatever, because these are the people that can take your organization to a place that you can't. 00:23:42.100 --> 00:23:45.240 Um, this is another, it's a weakness of, of me and ministry life. 00:23:45.460 --> 00:23:58.380 I was the gatekeeper and I realized at some point that me being the gatekeeper became a lid and I needed to start to empower people like this guy, sending the text and let them be the leaders of it. 00:23:58.380 --> 00:24:06.400 And as they grew and as they expanded, you know, all the other boats rose that I, my leadership rose to a higher level. 00:24:06.580 --> 00:24:17.900 And as a result, so much more was done for the kingdom, not because I held the gate gate keys, but because I released them out and empowered other staff as well as other volunteers to really run, run with that. 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:25.380 So whoever this is, um, mysterious texting person, thank you for, for what you're doing for the kingdom. 00:24:25.520 --> 00:24:27.760 Hey, Ray, as we're wrapping up any, any last thoughts? 00:24:28.220 --> 00:24:32.220 No, uh, keep pushing the envelope, mysterious volunteer person, as Jeff said. 00:24:32.220 --> 00:24:42.260 And then, um, you know, it's one of those things where don't forget, you're not going to change your church in terms of like how you come across to the internet, no matter what kind of tech you use. 00:24:42.260 --> 00:24:46.920 And so be who you are, uh, and it's better to be who you are because that's who your people want you to be anyways. 00:24:47.080 --> 00:24:48.280 So have a great time. 00:24:48.320 --> 00:24:50.840 I hope you drop us a link, man, so that we can check it out alongside you. 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:51.600 It'd be a lot of fun. 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:52.200 Definitely. 00:24:52.360 --> 00:24:53.600 Definitely excited about that. 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:54.760 Future questions. 00:24:54.860 --> 00:24:55.380 Text us here. 00:24:55.460 --> 00:24:57.300 484-324-8724. 00:24:57.840 --> 00:24:59.520 Hope this was helpful for you every week. 00:24:59.520 --> 00:25:02.700 I'm like, Hey, we're going to keep this, keep this one under 15 minutes. 00:25:02.700 --> 00:25:03.780 And right now we're at 25. 00:25:04.060 --> 00:25:05.060 So failure. 00:25:05.260 --> 00:25:06.560 I'm closer to success. 00:25:06.560 --> 00:25:10.260 Maybe one day, but right now I can't, I can't do a 15 minutes of these lives. 00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:15.120 So, Hey, for Ray, uh, this is Jeff at the church, digital and stadium church planning. 00:25:15.120 --> 00:25:19.260 Thanks for hanging out with us once again on the beta show and we'll see you next time. 00:25:19.320 --> 00:25:19.820 Y'all have a good day. 00:25:20.320 --> 00:25:20.600 Bye-bye.