WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.380 Hey, we're going to get you to that podcast in one second, but before we get there, I, 00:00:03.580 --> 00:00:08.160 Jeff Reed, the Church Digital, Stadia Church Planning, I wanted to have a conversation with 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:13.180 you, churches that are out there. One of the greatest things I arguably think that I've done 00:00:13.180 --> 00:00:17.300 in my life, other than married and kids, okay, that aside, one of the greatest ministry things 00:00:17.300 --> 00:00:21.800 I've ever done is this idea of the fidgetal learning communities that we are offering 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:27.320 through Stadia Church Planning. We want to help you. We want to help your church learn to thrive, 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:34.340 grow, and multiply fidgetally, physically, as well as digitally. We've seen about 200 churches go 00:00:34.340 --> 00:00:40.340 through this already, and it's been a phenomenal result of it. 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We've got a great show 00:02:06.780 --> 00:02:12.340 coming up with you here. We're going to talk about clubhouse. It's this new platform. Maybe it's 00:02:12.340 --> 00:02:17.680 people have calling it like the early Twitter, uh, coming on and some really exciting things. I've 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:22.480 been kicking the tires and we're bringing in somebody who's an expert, much more familiar, uh, with this 00:02:22.480 --> 00:02:27.420 platform here, uh, in a little bit, but wanted to haul out a couple of things here. First off here with 00:02:27.420 --> 00:02:32.440 the beta show, we are answering your questions, your ministry questions. If you've got questions, 00:02:32.440 --> 00:02:37.440 we want to hear them, text them to us at four, eight, four, three, two, four, eight, seven, 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:42.400 two, four, uh, four, three, two, four, eight, seven, two, four ministry questions. We'll address 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:48.240 them on a future episode here with the beta show. And one thing I did want to plug stadia church 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:55.840 planting. Hey, we are doing a digital learning communities. 2021 does not have to suck. 2020 was 00:02:55.840 --> 00:03:02.080 pretty rough, right? 2021. We can turn the corner here. Churches like yours can learn how to thrive, 00:03:02.260 --> 00:03:08.080 grow and multiply not only in physical space, but in digital space as well. Learn how physical and 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:13.280 digital can work together to achieve your church's mission and vision. That's the goal. 00:03:14.220 --> 00:03:19.480 stadiachurchplanning.org slash digital learning communities are starting. We, we, we had a bunch 00:03:19.480 --> 00:03:25.700 start already in January. We've got more ramping up here in February. So jump in there with that. 00:03:26.220 --> 00:03:31.760 So, Hey, here with the beta show, of course, we're bringing in Ray DeArmas, co-host, uh, of the beta 00:03:31.760 --> 00:03:36.520 show, church, digital podcast, and just general all around nice guy, digital pastor, Christ fellowship, 00:03:36.620 --> 00:03:41.440 Miami. Great to have him here. Ray, any, any, you got five seconds, words of wisdom. Go. 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:46.520 I'm so glad that I'm in clubhouse. Just glad to be in. It's so exclusive, but it's exciting. And 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.240 everybody loves talking about it. Can't wait to talk more about it here. 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:53.760 That was more than five seconds, but we'll, we'll call it a win. Hey, and for the third here, 00:03:53.760 --> 00:04:01.600 we are bringing in a DJ Chong into the conversation. Now, DJ, uh, is one of these pioneers of online 00:04:01.600 --> 00:04:07.260 ministry. Like I think I first met him a decade ago when he was working with leadership network. We 00:04:07.260 --> 00:04:13.960 were over in Dallas, uh, doing a, a multi-site thing, but DJ has kind of been like the, the lurker of 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:20.040 online ministry, kind of floating in the background, observing, helping where possible, spurring some 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:26.300 of those innovations on. You may not know his name, but I promise you, you've seen the fruit of his 00:04:26.300 --> 00:04:32.200 ministry, the fruit of his influence across churches, mega giga churches across this country. So DJ, 00:04:32.640 --> 00:04:38.200 honestly, it is an honor to have you here on the beta show, kicking some tires here, talking about, 00:04:38.200 --> 00:04:42.660 uh, clubhouse. So, Hey, maybe even just to open it up. What, what thoughts do you have? Tell us, 00:04:43.080 --> 00:04:46.660 tell us something about you that nobody else knows. Let's put you on the spot right here. 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:53.980 Oh man. What's deepest, darkest secret out there, but, um, I'm honored to be here. Thank you for 00:04:53.980 --> 00:05:00.880 inviting me. And one of the amazing rooms on clubhouse along that line, there's a room called the 00:05:00.880 --> 00:05:08.440 vulnerability room where people do share their deepest, darkest secret and people do, and tears 00:05:08.440 --> 00:05:16.060 are wept and people's hearts are moved. And it's like a weekly show, uh, hosted by some model out 00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:25.000 in Florida who has dark secrets. So it can be a very powerful, vulnerable place very rapidly with a 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:32.300 room of strangers. Wow. Wow. So let's kick off a conversation about clubhouse and the church right 00:05:32.300 --> 00:05:36.140 there off, off of that. That was, I don't, I don't know that I'm ready. I don't know that I'm man 00:05:36.140 --> 00:05:41.880 enough to walk, walk into that room, but really this clubhouse is super exclusive. It's hard to get 00:05:41.880 --> 00:05:47.560 into. What is this thing actually doing? Is it worthwhile? Should our churches really be interested 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:52.040 in this type of thing? What makes it different from zoom or any of the other kind of communication 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:56.500 platforms? These are the questions that we're getting. And so if you've got questions, go ahead 00:05:56.500 --> 00:06:01.100 and throw them in the, in the, in the, um, you know, the chat, whatever, uh, so that we can engage 00:06:01.100 --> 00:06:06.080 and we'll put them up. Hey, Brad Henson here is saying, what's up fellas. Uh, Brad was one of 00:06:06.080 --> 00:06:11.780 these guys I think that we saw recently in, in a, uh, a clubhouse, but let's start to unpack here 00:06:11.780 --> 00:06:17.320 a little bit what clubhouse is and should the church be involved in it? So DJ you're, you're 00:06:17.320 --> 00:06:22.480 the expert in context of, of, of clubhouse Ray and I've just kind of maybe toyed with it a little 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:28.200 bit. Tell us here. What, what is clubhouse put a definition on this for us? Yeah. Clubhouse is a 00:06:28.200 --> 00:06:37.740 new iOS only app invite only. That's a drop in audio chat. So that's the way they tagline it. And 00:06:37.740 --> 00:06:45.780 it has been a phenomenal app that just launched last April invite only starting with BIPOC, the, um, 00:06:46.340 --> 00:06:54.880 black indigenous people of color. And so it's got an ethos of, uh, creatives and, um, African 00:06:54.880 --> 00:07:03.020 American and tech and music and sports. That's the ethos in terms of the gravity and the momentum 00:07:03.020 --> 00:07:07.660 of the rooms that have been cultivated there. And along with that, those that would be of 00:07:07.660 --> 00:07:12.880 interest to church leaders like ourselves is the black church has found a place and a voice 00:07:12.880 --> 00:07:20.000 to connect with their community online. And it's really taken off, um, to the degree, give 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:25.820 you a quick number. I know there's some numbers, people out there, 2 million active users weekly. 00:07:26.340 --> 00:07:26.900 Wow. 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:33.520 Is the latest, uh, metric, uh, their user base is somewhere between three to 5 million now. 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:44.760 And the average duration of users is 90 minutes, not 90 seconds, 90 minutes. So there is long, heavy 00:07:44.760 --> 00:07:52.260 engagement for people connecting with each other through voice. And I'll quote, um, Jeremy Aoyang, 00:07:52.260 --> 00:07:58.040 who's one of the researchers up in Silicon Valley. And he describes this as a leading social, 00:07:58.380 --> 00:08:05.100 the frontier of social media is audio chat because it's the Goldilocks phenomenon. It's, 00:08:05.220 --> 00:08:13.240 it's, it's, it's, it's in that perfect place between, uh, Texas too little and videos too much, 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:18.360 but audio gives you that human connection while we're still isolated, gives you that social space 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.140 and people are using it in all kinds of creative ways. 00:08:22.840 --> 00:08:28.420 That's amazing. DJ, um, talk, talk a little bit more about that because this, 00:08:28.420 --> 00:08:34.800 it does allow for a little bit more vulnerability. It takes you a little bit more out of the anonymity 00:08:34.800 --> 00:08:40.000 of just talking, like just tweeting at somebody or whatever else. But it also gives kind of the 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:45.100 hint that you're more connected with some of these like higher level individuals. Like I see people 00:08:45.100 --> 00:08:49.920 like Elon Musk on here or different things. And so people feel like, Oh, this is because it feels 00:08:49.920 --> 00:08:55.040 exclusive. And because I've got this audio access now it's all, it almost gives the illusion. Like 00:08:55.040 --> 00:09:05.600 I'm in a room talking to him. Well, um, you are the, uh, the, the dynamic of a room on clubhouse 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:12.660 is that it equalizes, democratizes everyone's voice. You still do have a mechanism in terms of who's on 00:09:12.660 --> 00:09:17.480 on stage and who can speak versus who's in the audience. So it's not a shouting match. 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:23.700 Usually the moderators are pretty good at managing the room dynamic and you can run it just like, uh, 00:09:23.700 --> 00:09:27.780 you do here on beta show where you have three people talk on stage and then you open up for Q and A 00:09:27.780 --> 00:09:33.760 the last half of the time. It's certainly a legitimate way to use clubhouse, but it's audio only. 00:09:33.760 --> 00:09:37.600 So what that allows people to do is they don't have to look at the screen. They can actually be 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:43.340 multitasking and folding the laundry while they listen in. And so that, uh, adds more engagement 00:09:43.340 --> 00:09:48.260 and more opportunity people engage. And then there's people that open smaller rooms where everybody gets 00:09:48.260 --> 00:09:53.940 to chat and share their story for 15 and 30 minutes each. And people wait in line for hours. 00:09:54.420 --> 00:09:59.880 I've seen rooms go for 24 hours and people are just really quote unquote addicted to this thing because 00:09:59.880 --> 00:10:06.640 it's so engaging in a different way. And, um, there's people that might use it like a conference 00:10:06.640 --> 00:10:11.080 call. Remember that technology where people would just dial in by phone. But I think what's magical 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:17.320 about this one is just takes two taps to get into a call instead of dialing 20 digits. And so, 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:23.560 um, churches are, uh, starting to use it for Bible study and prayer groups. And that's a very, 00:10:23.560 --> 00:10:30.680 uh, simple, easy to understand way of how we can connect on a technology that's pretty easy to use 00:10:30.680 --> 00:10:36.600 if you're on iPhone. Yeah. And that that's that that's interesting. iPhone have, have, have they 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:43.380 said anything about Android? Is this just like, Hey, the Google platform crowd? Like why, why has it 00:10:43.380 --> 00:10:48.640 not ported over? Is that even on the roadmap? Does anybody know? It is on the roadmap. It's coming in 00:10:48.640 --> 00:10:54.960 Q one. So that gives them until the end of March before they roll out or before they start rolling 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:01.980 some invites and beta to Android. It's a entirely different thing to develop on iOS and Android. So 00:11:01.980 --> 00:11:06.580 it's, um, just in terms of work, you need to start with one before you can get to two. 00:11:07.640 --> 00:11:14.640 Hmm. Awesome. Hey, so we, we did this, uh, like at least I did this on Monday. I started a, 00:11:14.640 --> 00:11:20.920 I started a room. Um, I, I, this is my first time creating a room and just, this is my experience. 00:11:20.920 --> 00:11:25.080 So I opened it up. Hey, let's talk about digital church, Q and a, something like that. 00:11:25.900 --> 00:11:30.200 Created the room in the platform, just had my phone on, put my AirPods to the phone. 00:11:30.300 --> 00:11:35.460 I was working at my desk and, and like nobody came in the room. Uh, and so that was kind of weird, 00:11:35.460 --> 00:11:41.320 maybe like 15, 20 minutes. Nobody was coming around. I didn't know what to expect. Um, and so I put 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:46.260 out on some social media channels and some groups, Hey, I'm testing out clubhouse. I'm hanging out here 00:11:46.260 --> 00:11:50.400 in the room. If anybody wants to come over, you know, come over, maybe posted three, four or five 00:11:50.400 --> 00:11:54.820 different things. Um, I think DJ, actually, I think you were probably the first person to come on, 00:11:54.820 --> 00:11:59.740 uh, into the room. And so you and I were chit chatting for like a minute until two or three other 00:11:59.740 --> 00:12:03.840 people came along and then two or three others. And, and I want to drop names, but I'm looking at the 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:08.000 people in here and I'm like, okay, I know that person. I know that person. I know who that person 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:13.680 is. I've never actually like met that person before. Um, and then, so we're all talking and, 00:12:13.740 --> 00:12:19.500 and as we're talking, um, because it was, we were, we were chit chatting. I didn't want to be like, 00:12:19.500 --> 00:12:24.340 yo, DJ and I are talking and the rest of you are like in the audience. So I'm, I'm automatically 00:12:24.340 --> 00:12:29.740 clearing anybody who comes in the room to the place where they can speak. Cause I was trying to create 00:12:29.740 --> 00:12:36.340 more of a dialogue, less of kind of like an onstage, um, interview. And, uh, and so there was one guy 00:12:36.340 --> 00:12:42.180 I didn't really know. And so I didn't bring them up to that level. Uh, his bio wasn't like really 00:12:42.180 --> 00:12:49.100 strong Christian and, but he had like 1900 followers in, in the platform, like a huge amount 00:12:49.100 --> 00:12:55.240 of followers. And so somebody made a comment, oh, Hey, bring, bring this guy up into the platform. 00:12:55.240 --> 00:13:00.880 So he can share too. So I bring that guy up, uh, so that he is on the platform where he can speak 00:13:00.880 --> 00:13:06.400 like the rest of us. And as God is my witness, the room blew up five seconds later. Um, who, 00:13:06.520 --> 00:13:10.600 you know, this, this individual is a well-known pastor is, is very respectable in the African 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:17.260 American community. All of a sudden there's 50, 60, 70 people in this room. Listen, and this guy's 00:13:17.260 --> 00:13:21.400 not talking, but it was like, you could see the, you literally could see the algorithm work 00:13:21.400 --> 00:13:27.400 to the second. As soon as I brought this guy in, the room went viral. And now there's all of these 00:13:27.400 --> 00:13:34.060 people that are wanting to dialogue through it. And so now, um, um, it's, I found myself realizing, 00:13:34.180 --> 00:13:39.220 Hey, I can't like stage these guys anymore. Like I've got so many people in here. We are going to 00:13:39.220 --> 00:13:45.060 have to turn this into something. And, uh, the funny thing was I had to leave. Like I was on for an 00:13:45.060 --> 00:13:49.640 hour and then my time was up. I had something else. So I handed it off to, uh, somebody else who's in 00:13:49.640 --> 00:13:54.560 the room who half an hour later, handed it over to somebody else. That room went two hours plus, 00:13:54.560 --> 00:14:01.960 uh, what started off as just a mere experiment, 50, 60 people throughout the entire time. And what I 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:06.260 thought, man, that's, that's obscure. Like, that's really cool to see that happen, but that doesn't 00:14:06.260 --> 00:14:11.720 happen all the time. As I talk more and more with like people in clubhouse, it's yeah, that's, 00:14:11.760 --> 00:14:17.280 that's typical. The two hour, the passing the baton, the, the, just all of that. And that's, 00:14:17.340 --> 00:14:20.460 that's so cool to see DJ. Does that line up with some of your experience? 00:14:21.260 --> 00:14:27.480 Yeah. Uh, that's, that's, that's, that's a common experience, but there's a whole range 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:34.340 of experiences. So this past Sunday, Elon Musk, uh, had a pre announced clubhouse room, uh, 00:14:34.340 --> 00:14:39.680 which overflowed two or three or four times over because each room only lasts 5,000 people. 00:14:40.180 --> 00:14:45.640 So they had overflow rooms with varying degrees of audio fidelity because they're basically just 00:14:45.640 --> 00:14:50.080 taking the iPhone and using another iPhone to broadcast into these overflows. And then YouTube 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:56.280 had a couple thousand people too. So you can have a, um, well-known person that draws thousands of 00:14:56.280 --> 00:15:01.400 people and then they can just do a Q and a, they asked some silly questions and ask some serious 00:15:01.400 --> 00:15:07.000 questions. And it just adds that level of intimacy. Hey, you're talking, you're listening to some people 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.860 talk with Elon Musk and you can submit your questions. And so that accessibility and that 00:15:11.860 --> 00:15:19.620 immediacy makes it, uh, makes, bring that proximity even closer than just a Q and a session on a live 00:15:19.620 --> 00:15:29.000 stream. Live session gives you a similar dynamic, but, um, the audio only portion gives you that, uh, 00:15:29.160 --> 00:15:35.260 feeling of more closeness, I think is the main difference. Plus it's audio. So, um, it's more 00:15:35.260 --> 00:15:40.320 accessible while you're doing other things than just the live stream. Um, and then there's small 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:47.160 rooms that are under five people and there's many closed rooms. So, uh, I don't see those as much, 00:15:47.160 --> 00:15:53.360 but they're out there. And right now it's an open platform. People can make it a big deal. Uh, I think 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:59.760 there was a musical that they did liking a couple months back. And so there's audio experiences that 00:15:59.760 --> 00:16:06.700 the pioneers are actually, uh, really creating on clubhouse to, uh, wait, somebody created a 00:16:06.700 --> 00:16:14.580 lighting experience in clubhouse. Yes. And there's also one called a cotton club where there's a dress 00:16:14.580 --> 00:16:22.100 code and they have a vibe and it had a open mic and something else. And so there's all kinds of audio 00:16:22.220 --> 00:16:27.380 experiences that are interesting cultivated and coming up because this is like a blank slate 00:16:27.380 --> 00:16:32.800 and people are bringing their creativity and really using it to connect people to people. 00:16:36.220 --> 00:16:42.480 Hey, I, I, I'm, I'm actually intrigued. Uh, I want to experience like the, the, the lion King, 00:16:42.520 --> 00:16:47.320 I guess where you're recording audio or playing back the, like, is it multiple iPhones, multiple people 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:52.200 singing? Cause I mean, just tape playing a tape would be too easy. Like they're, they're, 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:57.760 it has to be ingenuity. That's, that's, I wasn't there. I wasn't there. And the other thing about 00:16:57.760 --> 00:17:03.120 clubhouse is not recorded. So the FOMO really triggers a lot of attentiveness. Hey, I want to 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:09.360 get in on something. Yeah. A part of me was, I actually, when I was on the platform, even with 00:17:09.360 --> 00:17:13.980 what we do here at the beta show, I like, this is what I wanted the beta show to be. Like we've got 00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:19.200 people like Brad who make comments through there and, and, and, and the, the views on this are 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:24.180 awesome at, you know, and I can see the number of people are watching this live right now, but I've 00:17:24.180 --> 00:17:28.300 got eyes that are watching the screen that are hearing this conversation, but I'm more interested 00:17:28.300 --> 00:17:34.440 in saying, Hey, what questions do you have? Like, I don't want to be the guy being the expert here in 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:39.980 order. I want to bring in others into the conversation. I want to address the, I want to hear from churches. 00:17:39.980 --> 00:17:45.900 I want to hear from people that are on the front lines. And to me, this is the first time that I've 00:17:45.900 --> 00:17:51.180 really felt like a platform was able to deliver that. Yeah. There's, there's a lot of people don't 00:17:51.180 --> 00:17:56.200 have access. They haven't gotten those invites. They don't have access to the platform yet, but 00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:02.940 potentially they're within reach and you can get, you know, a, a room together at a certain time and 00:18:02.940 --> 00:18:09.840 let there be, be dialogue. And, and because it's audio only, um, it's, it's more passive listening 00:18:09.840 --> 00:18:13.720 where I can engage at certain times, or I can be working and do other things without feeling the 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:20.940 pressure of staring at that webcam for the entire time. And it just, it felt very at home kind of 00:18:20.940 --> 00:18:26.140 being in that environment, listening to people kind of facilitating some conversations and helping 00:18:26.140 --> 00:18:34.120 people through that scenario. I, I just, I love the feel of it. Yeah. So let's, um, if, if it's kind of, we can 00:18:34.120 --> 00:18:42.320 move a bit towards how churches can be using this. And so I know as we've all endured and are persevering 00:18:42.320 --> 00:18:49.920 through the COVID pandemic and quarantine, that many churches are using Zoom to foster Bible study, small group 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:56.120 worship experiences, and have some even fellowship time and playing games. And so if you want to, uh, 00:18:56.120 --> 00:19:02.800 just begin bringing together a small group that wants to experiment and try new ways of online 00:19:02.800 --> 00:19:11.640 fellowship, you can substitute and use a Zoom room with the audio portion. So, uh, what I mean by that 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:18.280 is, um, and, and you've had enough Zoom rooms that you realized that maybe only a third of the people 00:19:18.280 --> 00:19:22.600 are comfortable turning on their camera, but two thirds of the people would prefer to stay off camera. 00:19:23.100 --> 00:19:30.780 And so imagine a Zoom room, everybody's camera, and then you direct it by audio. So you, as the moderator, 00:19:30.780 --> 00:19:37.780 at least set the example and have everybody be audio and create a pseudo clubhouse experience that's available 00:19:37.780 --> 00:19:43.780 to all. So they don't have to have iOS. They do need a, um, a computer that's connected internet and use 00:19:43.780 --> 00:19:50.460 Zoom. And create that audio experience and cue people up on, Hey, we're going to, um, take some questions, uh, 00:19:50.460 --> 00:19:57.460 who's first, and you can call on names and people can go off and on mute. So you can stimulate a clubhouse 00:19:57.460 --> 00:20:04.460 experience now in preparation of how you might use clubhouse or how you might zoom, use zoom differently. 00:20:04.460 --> 00:20:10.460 Now, one of the points of, um, that one of the historical points that's informed me is, uh, talking 00:20:10.460 --> 00:20:15.340 with one of the vendors that does a free conference call service, uh, back, back in the day when we were 00:20:15.340 --> 00:20:22.460 phone only. Um, so this decade, well over a decade ago that one of the biggest customers on these 00:20:22.460 --> 00:20:30.780 conference call lines were churches. Huh? So churches have been pioneers in the past using conference call 00:20:30.780 --> 00:20:38.700 technology to convene people between Sundays, between weekends to do Bible studies and prayers 00:20:39.500 --> 00:20:46.460 and, um, fellowship. And so there's no reason that in the digital world where we have more platforms and 00:20:46.460 --> 00:20:53.100 more accessibility that we could, uh, churches could also do that, whether it's on zoom or on clubhouse. 00:20:55.340 --> 00:20:59.740 Really interesting. I, I've, I've, I've not experienced that church is doing that, but you, 00:20:59.740 --> 00:21:04.540 you're, you're pulling data, uh, further from me. So, Hey, we got Brad Henson chiming in again, 00:21:05.020 --> 00:21:10.460 as a pastor in rural areas where video quality is often bad due to bandwidth limitations. 00:21:10.460 --> 00:21:17.980 The idea of audio only is, is exciting. And Ray, like I Ray, help me here. Um, there was a church 00:21:17.980 --> 00:21:23.020 we had a conversation with in the past couple of weeks. Um, and I don't remember who it was, 00:21:23.020 --> 00:21:29.100 but they made the comment that they had hundreds of people that would show up for a seven 30 prayer 00:21:29.100 --> 00:21:34.460 meeting every day. Right. Do you remember who that was? No, I can't for the life of me. I can't 00:21:34.460 --> 00:21:39.740 remember who that was, but this kind of thing obviously sets up tremendous potential for that, 00:21:39.740 --> 00:21:44.140 for that kind of meeting to continue to occur, especially since, you know, it's prayer, 00:21:44.140 --> 00:21:49.100 it's all audio. And it's funny because, you know, Brad, Brad brought up a good point that I remember 00:21:49.100 --> 00:21:54.380 just a lot of seminary students talking through even 10 years ago, like as church online was kind 00:21:54.380 --> 00:21:58.220 of a fledgling thing where they talked about reaching out to people in different areas where 00:21:58.620 --> 00:22:02.860 internet isn't readily available, but they've got a lot of shut-ins at home that they can't get to the 00:22:02.860 --> 00:22:09.020 building either. Obviously COVID opened up all of our eyes to a lot of this stuff. And so DJ, 00:22:09.020 --> 00:22:12.540 continue to talk through just some of the different ways that churches could leverage 00:22:12.540 --> 00:22:17.740 this kind of thing, you know, to reach out to some of those folks who can't, even as we reopen, 00:22:17.740 --> 00:22:18.780 can't get to a building. 00:22:20.380 --> 00:22:23.180 Yeah. The telephone is still much more accessible to internet. 00:22:23.180 --> 00:22:31.980 And even as many of us are using zoom, we see that well-known people don't have the best internet 00:22:31.980 --> 00:22:37.980 sometimes. It's standard. And I had internet outage just last week. And so we don't have that 00:22:37.980 --> 00:22:43.740 reliability with internet the way we have with phones. And so phones are still the backbone that we might've 00:22:44.460 --> 00:22:50.860 missed the opportunity to pay. Let's use the telephone in some ways as a backup to people, 00:22:50.860 --> 00:22:58.060 because that is still the, I think the primary role that church can offer to serve their people and 00:22:58.060 --> 00:23:06.140 their community is that social and spiritual aspect. And so, um, using clubhouse, um, using zoom, 00:23:06.780 --> 00:23:12.540 uh, using, well, see the thing is using social media. That's I'll contrast it this way. Using 00:23:13.100 --> 00:23:16.540 social media is asynchronous, meaning it's not real time. 00:23:17.260 --> 00:23:23.180 And so you get these little sound bites and that might be good for a flash in the pan, a little 00:23:23.180 --> 00:23:30.700 inspiration, but static. Whereas if you use zoom and you use something like clubhouse, it's real time 00:23:30.700 --> 00:23:38.220 interaction. And that real time interaction brings intimacy, engagement and, uh, mutual edification 00:23:38.860 --> 00:23:45.500 and all the good things that come out of that. And so, um, that that's the opportunity and you create 00:23:45.500 --> 00:23:51.580 space for it, uh, just going from the known to the unknown. So the known, uh, as I've mentioned, uh, 00:23:51.580 --> 00:24:01.340 Bible study, uh, Q and a, uh, small groups, uh, support groups, uh, prayer times. Those would be 00:24:01.340 --> 00:24:06.860 examples of, okay, here's another platform that may be easier to use with some of your people. 00:24:07.420 --> 00:24:14.300 Let's, uh, adapt those onto this platform and increase the engagement, uh, on the frontier. 00:24:15.500 --> 00:24:21.580 Uh, clubhouse is such an open, uh, space with, like I said earlier, 2 million active users 00:24:21.580 --> 00:24:28.300 tremendous opportunity for outreach. Answer the questions that people have and the topics they 00:24:28.300 --> 00:24:35.180 want to talk about. And as they get to know you, they'll see that you have more in, uh, how you're 00:24:35.180 --> 00:24:41.660 living life than the average person that doesn't have Christ. And so the frontier is very much outreach 00:24:41.660 --> 00:24:48.380 as we all are, uh, stuck at home, but this opens a door for us to be connecting with people outside 00:24:48.380 --> 00:24:55.100 of the church. Sure. The potential for the Q and a portion to me is just one of the most amazing things. 00:24:55.100 --> 00:25:01.420 Um, I remember during, uh, during the summer of 2020, when everything was going on with racial 00:25:01.420 --> 00:25:05.180 injustice in our country and all the different things, friends of mine at transformation church 00:25:05.180 --> 00:25:10.860 in the Carolinas, uh, Derwin Gray, the pastor there led a conversation with the chief of police in his 00:25:10.860 --> 00:25:17.340 area, uh, and actually created a great interaction. But if they would have done that, but now you're, 00:25:17.340 --> 00:25:23.020 you create potential for a possible Q and a with people to then address either of them, like as the 00:25:23.020 --> 00:25:27.500 pastor or, Hey, as the lead, you know, chief of police in our area, like Howard, how do you see 00:25:27.500 --> 00:25:32.700 things? That to me is just content. That's just too irresistible that even somebody who's not a 00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:37.100 Christian would want to engage in. They'd want to dive in. Uh, what are, what are other opportunities 00:25:37.100 --> 00:25:41.180 that people might want to engage in this kind of thing, DJ, that pass might be a little bit scary 00:25:41.180 --> 00:25:46.220 for pastors. Cause it's like, well, live Q and a, but the potential outweighs the risk, right? 00:25:46.220 --> 00:25:52.780 The reward outweighs the risk. Well, okay. If you want to push it out, uh, when you lose control of 00:25:52.780 --> 00:25:58.860 content, but you facilitate healthy conversation that that's kind of the next step beyond Q and a 00:25:59.660 --> 00:26:06.300 what I mean by that is there's many clubhouse rooms where people share their own stories and share their 00:26:06.300 --> 00:26:13.740 own perspectives. It's a very human thing to do, but all of us carry a story. And, uh, for, uh, 00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:19.660 those of us who are in Christ, that story has been intercepted by Christ and he's transforming it, 00:26:19.660 --> 00:26:25.740 redeeming it in powerful ways. Uh, but yet when you're in a room of people, both Christians and 00:26:25.740 --> 00:26:30.620 non-Christians, and they're sharing each other's stories, you grow in your empathy and understanding 00:26:31.820 --> 00:26:39.180 and you expand your understanding of God and the world and God will open doors for you to grow 00:26:39.180 --> 00:26:45.340 relationships that can turn into, uh, spiritual conversations as well as coming to Christ. 00:26:45.340 --> 00:26:50.780 It's a very non-threatening way for people to experience a conversation with Christians 00:26:51.580 --> 00:26:59.340 instead of going to church or being set up where they have to confront or be confronted by 00:26:59.340 --> 00:27:06.140 Christian content or apologetics. Hey, let me get to know you first and know your story and vice versa 00:27:06.860 --> 00:27:11.740 and then see what happens on that next conversation. I think that's the, um, 00:27:12.460 --> 00:27:16.940 new apologetics for the 21st century. If you can say it that way, it's got to be more conversational 00:27:16.940 --> 00:27:24.220 rather than presentational. And I would love to see more church leaders just hanging out on 00:27:24.780 --> 00:27:32.940 reddit on clubhouse and connect with people as a person rather than as an authority figure. 00:27:34.620 --> 00:27:41.100 That would be the frontier because that's what those platforms are designed to do. It's an equalized, um, 00:27:41.820 --> 00:27:47.660 playing field. And so to meet them where they are, to be the missionary and to be the light in that space, 00:27:48.460 --> 00:27:53.580 we're going to shine because Christ is in us. And so there's no fear for us to go, 00:27:54.620 --> 00:27:56.540 uh, with the love of Christ into these new spaces. 00:27:58.940 --> 00:28:03.340 Yeah, it's better. I mean, we, we talk about this a lot with better to ask questions than make 00:28:03.340 --> 00:28:09.260 statements. Uh, Dave Adamson, we need to use more question marks than periods. Uh, 00:28:09.260 --> 00:28:17.100 so kind of building on that to, to use this platform to engage with people, to build those relationships. 00:28:17.100 --> 00:28:22.380 It's interesting. Brad Henson chiming in once again, it could be relational apologetics as you discuss 00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:29.180 reasons why people doubt their faith. I mean, honestly, Ray, and, and you're from, from a, uh, 00:28:29.180 --> 00:28:35.740 you know, a mega multi-site environment, uh, very kind of centralized in, in, in leadership for me, 00:28:35.740 --> 00:28:43.020 this is the platform of the campus pastor. Uh, this is where man create rooms like these you're, 00:28:43.020 --> 00:28:47.580 you're not preaching. Um, but you're trying to figure out ways to connect with people. 00:28:47.580 --> 00:28:54.220 I see this as an opportunity to connect with people like that, to build those relationships. 00:28:54.220 --> 00:28:58.940 Uh, you know, we, we jokingly, I said in social media this week, Hey, we can't be, 00:28:58.940 --> 00:29:02.220 you're not campus pastors anymore. It's time to be a community pastor. 00:29:02.220 --> 00:29:09.420 Let's go to of, and, and, and I think this is an opportunity to take that step towards the people 00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:15.980 in a digital format and start to really engage with and engage. Isn't, isn't, let me preach this 00:29:15.980 --> 00:29:24.060 40 minute sermon on the platform engages. Let me ask a couple of questions and listen as people talk 00:29:24.060 --> 00:29:29.900 in through that relationship building, start to get to the point of, of sharing and pointing towards 00:29:29.900 --> 00:29:35.100 Christ. So I, I just, there's so much I love with this platform and I'm, I'm usually the guy that 00:29:35.100 --> 00:29:39.820 geeks out on, on new technology, but this one, this is really, really has potential, I think, 00:29:39.820 --> 00:29:44.940 to help churches engage in, in new ways. So, uh, what else are we missing here? We want to, 00:29:44.940 --> 00:29:51.420 want to wrap up, but, uh, as, as we're landing the plane, um, DJ closing thoughts, uh, on, 00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:55.980 on the platform wins opportunities. What, what else should we be considering? 00:29:55.980 --> 00:30:02.220 Yeah. Uh, right now it's just huge opportunities. We're, we're just on the brink of discovering what 00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:06.700 the wins are, but it's going to take time for us to get there. And it's going to take an investment of 00:30:06.700 --> 00:30:14.300 time, uh, for church leaders to be in those spaces with average people, uh, and not come as an 00:30:14.300 --> 00:30:20.780 authority figure and not put on their collar, but show our humanity. And I think, um, for church leaders, 00:30:20.780 --> 00:30:26.460 that's probably going to be the first hardest question. How much time is this going to take? 00:30:28.620 --> 00:30:37.180 And so if the average person on clubhouse, 2 million active users, average time is 90 minutes. 00:30:37.180 --> 00:30:48.540 Uh, if you're able to commit an hour weekly to visiting some clubhouse rooms and you don't have to do it 00:30:48.540 --> 00:30:53.980 at random pick, pick the ones that have a lot of people and people that you know, and just begin 00:30:53.980 --> 00:31:00.620 getting into the practice of conversation. Uh, that's going to be the growth path for us to 00:31:00.620 --> 00:31:05.820 become better ministers that shine for Jesus in the clubhouse environment. Yeah. 00:31:06.940 --> 00:31:08.860 Ray, what are you thinking as we're landing the plane here? 00:31:10.620 --> 00:31:17.260 Wow. There's, you know, when we talk about this technology and there's just so much potential 00:31:17.260 --> 00:31:22.060 to connect, there's so much potential for people to feel like they're part of something and for people 00:31:22.060 --> 00:31:26.700 to feel like they have a voice, which I think is one of the more significant parts of social media, 00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:31.100 right? Like the fact that you feel like you have more access to people and especially right now, 00:31:31.100 --> 00:31:35.740 greater than ever with clubhouse, you, you really do, you know, kind of like what DJ alluded to earlier, 00:31:35.740 --> 00:31:39.980 like, Hey, we were in the room with Elon Musk. Like you did have an opportunity to kind of speak and be 00:31:39.980 --> 00:31:45.260 heard and to have that kind of thing, you know, work out for you, which is wonderful. And how much more 00:31:45.260 --> 00:31:49.740 do we need that in church in 2020? Whereas more and more, you know, like DJ, you said it perfectly 00:31:49.740 --> 00:31:53.500 about pastors need to step back from being authority figures and need to be more and more community driven. 00:31:53.500 --> 00:31:59.260 Um, whereas a lot of people kind of shied away and felt like, man, that's the guy on the stage. 00:31:59.260 --> 00:32:03.500 You know, I, I need somebody to connect with a little bit more. Now they have more and more of 00:32:03.500 --> 00:32:08.140 a capability of doing that. And, and I actually think that a lot of pastors want to be able to 00:32:08.140 --> 00:32:13.180 connect with people. They just don't know what's the right way for, for all of this to happen. 00:32:13.180 --> 00:32:19.900 And so clubhouse could help facilitate the right kind of conversations. If, if pastors will be 00:32:19.900 --> 00:32:25.020 brave enough to, to dive right into it, right. To, to embrace the, Hey, we don't know where this is 00:32:25.020 --> 00:32:28.220 going to go, but we're going to take a shot and we're going to go out there and we're going to try 00:32:28.220 --> 00:32:31.660 and reach people for Jesus. Or even we're going to try and connect with some of our own people who 00:32:31.660 --> 00:32:36.140 are on the platform. There's just a lot of potential for this and for, for real engaging, 00:32:36.140 --> 00:32:41.580 real-time conversation, which is awesome. Yeah. Amen. Well, well said there. Hey, um, 00:32:42.220 --> 00:32:48.380 power church, uh, the power is no longer in organizations and we can have the Reddit 00:32:48.380 --> 00:32:54.380 conversation later, but for me, the undergirding of that is it's not in these organizations. It's not 00:32:54.380 --> 00:33:00.460 in the corporations. The power is now in, in individuals. And when I look at, at clubhouse, 00:33:00.460 --> 00:33:05.580 I see the opportunity to empower individuals to have conversations in environment where people will 00:33:05.580 --> 00:33:10.620 listen. Uh, and, and so even as we talk about disciple making and what that looks like, 00:33:10.620 --> 00:33:16.780 multiplication and context of your church, uh, my opinion, uh, this platform, a clubhouse is, 00:33:16.780 --> 00:33:23.900 is ripe for those types of relationships and that type of interaction. So church, equip your people 00:33:23.900 --> 00:33:29.580 to go and get involved on platforms like this. And I'll, I'll tell you what I opened up the platform 00:33:29.580 --> 00:33:35.020 this morning and, uh, the nice people at clubhouse gave me four more invites than I had yesterday. 00:33:35.020 --> 00:33:42.540 So I will give away three invites to three people into clubhouse. Uh, you know, how to reach me, 00:33:42.540 --> 00:33:47.420 uh, social media, whatever, uh, four, eight, four, three, two, four, eight, seven, two, four. You can 00:33:47.420 --> 00:33:54.060 text me directly the first three people to kind of bump me. I will connect you into clubhouse and give 00:33:54.060 --> 00:34:01.260 you access beyond that. Sorry. Um, there, there's another way of hopefully coming soon and, or maybe Ray, 00:34:01.260 --> 00:34:03.500 Ray will give you Ray. I'm not putting Ray in the spot. We'll get it. 00:34:03.500 --> 00:34:07.500 I'll throw my invite out there. Yeah, sure. Uh, you know, our, my invite sponsored by 00:34:07.500 --> 00:34:11.100 Stadia church planning. I want to thank you Stadia for this wonderful clubhouse invite. So there you 00:34:11.100 --> 00:34:16.380 go. Always. Thank you very much to the Stadia people. So we're, we're going to wrap right here, 00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:22.620 uh, for Ray, for DJ. This is Jeff with the church digital and Stadia church planting, my family. 00:34:22.620 --> 00:34:28.620 Thanks for joining us here on the beta show and we'll see, uh, next time. Y'all have a good day.