WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.140 all right hey you've got the beta show here episode 30 it's 30 on the beta show i you know 00:00:11.140 --> 00:00:14.120 when i typed that in this morning i didn't realize man it's been that long we're doing 00:00:14.120 --> 00:00:19.820 30 episodes here the beta show this is awesome hey i'm jeff with the church digital once again 00:00:19.820 --> 00:00:23.940 all this is powered by stadia church planning we're gonna be talking a lot about stadia church 00:00:23.940 --> 00:00:28.600 planning here on the show by the way welcome if if you're some of my exponential friends i was 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:34.440 literally just hanging out in a webinar with the exponential conference talking about digital 00:00:34.440 --> 00:00:38.980 and how digital can help church planning physical and digital church planning some fun stuff over 00:00:38.980 --> 00:00:44.860 there so if you're checking us out with that awesome thanks for being here like having you around 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live throw those questions and comments in 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:40.480 whatever social media platform you're on we're streaming this on on facebook on on youtube on periscope 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:45.040 twitter uh i'm trying to think i don't know if there's anything else that might be it wherever you are 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:50.080 seeing this put comments in there and and we'll we'll try to engage with them and dialogue through it 00:01:50.080 --> 00:01:55.360 next week here's a quick tease what's the difference between a church broadcast a digital slash digital 00:01:55.360 --> 00:02:01.440 campus and a digital only church i get so many people asking this question yes there's nuances that are 00:02:01.440 --> 00:02:08.320 involved but those nuances are huge we're going to be addressing those questions here on the next beta show but for 00:02:08.320 --> 00:02:16.400 this one episode 30 three reasons your church should be multimodal three reasons your church should be 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:21.360 multimodal here's another one of these words listen digital was a fun word to use and we have to 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:26.240 define digital and we're still using digital even in this post-covid culture we've done a lot of 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:31.200 streams here lately with the beta show talking about why the bait why digital is so important physical 00:02:31.200 --> 00:02:34.400 and digital working together maybe you love that we're going to create a new word here 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:42.400 multi-modal stadia loves this word multimodal let's create multiple models of church here's what 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:48.080 multimodal means multimodal churches different models of church different methods of discipleship 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:56.960 different opportunities in leadership and so when we talk about multimodal we're literally talking about 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:06.560 different ways of doing church and why we need why we the church in this post-covid in this new world 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:12.160 that we're in we need to diversify our church here a little bit now when i say models what does that 00:03:12.160 --> 00:03:17.520 mean here we go different models of church you got your prevailing the typical model you know what 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:24.400 every church was doing like february 2020 before covet hit you got the the building or you're renting the 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:29.120 building you're doing the sunday morning thing 9 a.m you're struggling to get people to come more than 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:36.160 than 1.6 times a month get that thing yeah okay so that is a model of church now it's not the biblical 00:03:36.160 --> 00:03:42.560 definition there's other things there's strengths and weaknesses to that model if you look at acts 2 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:47.760 for example 36 to 47 somewhere in there you'll find that there's things that that model does well 00:03:47.760 --> 00:03:52.480 there's things that that model does not do well there's other models beyond that you know we would look 00:03:52.480 --> 00:03:57.040 at a physical model one that's using physical and digital together that's different than doing a 00:03:57.040 --> 00:04:01.360 physical only digital can complement to that we talk a lot about that here on the stream there's 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:07.520 digital only there's location independent churches churches that exist completely in virtual reality 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:13.040 and there's strengths and weaknesses to that model there's avatar vr church there's watch parties 00:04:13.040 --> 00:04:18.000 there's micro church networks there's prison churches there's workplace churches there's all sorts of 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:24.640 opportunities in digital and physical space to do churches differently by the way and i just said this 00:04:25.440 --> 00:04:30.320 like in in korea i said this on the exponential thing that i was just on in korea some of the 00:04:30.320 --> 00:04:35.760 largest churches pre-covid were actually in the country of korea like their ability to do giga 00:04:35.760 --> 00:04:41.120 church in korea was phenomenal some of the smallest churches are located in india three or four people 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:47.440 huddled under a palm trees is defined as a church in india and both are highly effective pre-covid so 00:04:47.440 --> 00:04:54.240 to say that the giga church model is is wrong or the or the the india the the mud hut model is is 00:04:54.240 --> 00:05:00.560 wrong of what they do in church that i mean okay i think god has the ability to define what but for us 00:05:01.200 --> 00:05:07.280 let's take advantage of whatever models we can and hold it to that biblical ecclesiology i think that the 00:05:07.280 --> 00:05:14.000 challenge for us here in this 2021 the tension of summer 21 for us as the church do we fall back on 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:21.040 what we know or what we're comfortable with the desire for all of us is to go back to the building 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:27.360 it's what we know it's like hi ho hi ho it's back to the building we go okay look that's a little silly 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:33.280 but the heart of this is i feel this tension i've had this conversation with churches and i've had 00:05:33.280 --> 00:05:38.640 conversation with other digital pastors where they're saying jeff they're our leadership is literally 00:05:38.640 --> 00:05:44.720 thinking about stopping our stream online because they think if they stop the streaming online it's 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:51.360 going to drive people back to the building that 20 they're just being lazy we don't want them to be 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:59.440 lazy at home we want them to be in the building the the the church on the couch church on the sofa is wrong 00:05:59.440 --> 00:06:06.240 it's bad it's not it's it's worse than the building and so we need to stop we need to cut that off 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:11.600 and instead we need to try to reemphasize and simplify what we're doing to get people back 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:20.400 to the building and and what i would suggest is maybe the answer isn't simplify maybe it's diversify 00:06:21.520 --> 00:06:28.160 maybe instead of leaning away and cutting off and simplifying everything that we're doing 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:36.400 and realizing hey we just want to be building maybe that isn't the answer maybe instead it should be 00:06:36.400 --> 00:06:45.120 let's lean in and diversify and create more strategies within our church if the building's not working 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:51.760 to effectively reach everyone then maybe we should figure out how to more effectively connect with 00:06:51.760 --> 00:06:57.840 people by doing some different models which gets us entirely to this idea of beta 30. 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:04.320 three reasons so we defined multimodal and we're saying here's three reasons why your church needs 00:07:04.320 --> 00:07:10.560 to be more than just the building i'm not slamming the building hear me the building's going to serve a 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:15.760 purpose and you're going to reach people with that building the answer is not get rid of the building 00:07:15.760 --> 00:07:21.840 the answer is maybe there are other things we should be doing that are going to work alongside 00:07:21.840 --> 00:07:26.480 the building here we are and this is going to maybe it's going to sound like i'm being 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:32.400 controversial here buildings number one three reasons your church needs to go multimodal buildings will 00:07:32.400 --> 00:07:39.360 continue to lose influence number one buildings will continue to lose influence they'll have a purpose 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:44.400 but their influence is waning barna we talk about this that so much you guys are probably sick of me 00:07:44.400 --> 00:07:49.680 saying it eighty percent of people called to christ uh are not interested in coming to a physical 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:56.560 building they're not coming to a digital building either and so to to think of our digital service 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:02.080 whether the buildings are working or not it plays a purpose but if we're looking for it for evangelism 00:08:02.080 --> 00:08:07.600 if we're looking at these buildings as hubs where we're going to continue to gather people in physical space 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:14.720 we were losing that influence our buildings were losing our influence pre-covid the shift away from 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:21.200 buildings did not happen as a result of covid covid was just an accelerant that got us many years down 00:08:21.200 --> 00:08:29.040 the road quicker as a matter of fact experts are saying anywhere from three to seven years of of cultural 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:37.040 shift happened within that covid 16 month season so we're further along we're further away than where we were 00:08:37.040 --> 00:08:43.680 our buildings are losing influence because people that are cold to christ aren't looking for answers 00:08:43.680 --> 00:08:50.000 spiritual answers to their questions in the building similarly even looking outside of the whole church thing 00:08:50.400 --> 00:08:58.640 uh global commercial real estate market is struggling like the brick and mortar model even outside of the church 00:08:58.640 --> 00:09:05.600 it was struggling pre-covid covid was the knife in the back getting us away from this idea of brick and mortar 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:13.280 meanwhile ecommerce.com is is thriving in these environments just last night i didn't go to sushi 00:09:13.280 --> 00:09:22.560 maki located here on 144th street us1 in miami to be honest i i i ubered it i i uber eats yeah i paid probably 00:09:22.560 --> 00:09:27.680 10 percent 15 percent more than than if i took the kids to go i was tired i didn't i didn't want to go 00:09:27.680 --> 00:09:34.800 so we uber eats and we had our bacon fried rice in our house and we used a a e-commerce solution to 00:09:34.800 --> 00:09:43.120 make it happen look maybe there's nothing wrong with the building there and it is a property as a tool 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:50.480 a tool on the tool belt it serves its purpose well but if the goal of your church is to have a building 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:57.440 if the end game is i need to have this building to be effective that is the wrong idea because there 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:03.840 are plenty of churches globally there are plenty of models globally that are highly effective they're 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:12.480 just not using the building so let's look at that buildings will lose influence so we need to diversify 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:19.840 what we're doing in order to be effective in ministry number two and i'm going to cheat here number two a 00:10:20.400 --> 00:10:26.400 different models of church will reach different types of people different models will reach different 00:10:26.400 --> 00:10:31.360 types once again this is a win i can tell you stories of people that have been reached as a 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:36.560 matter of fact with the exponential group i just told him the story of of danny danny hasn't been to 00:10:36.560 --> 00:10:42.320 church in a physical building in 10 years he was actually disillusioned by church he had religion 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:47.200 shoved down his throat that's his words that's not mine and but what happened is danny has accepted 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:52.320 christ within the easter season through a digital only expression of church it was actually aimed 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:59.040 for video gamers our church of video gamers others are involved but and so through that expression 00:10:59.040 --> 00:11:04.400 of a digital only church that's aimed at video gamers danny 24 at one of the darkest places in his 00:11:04.400 --> 00:11:11.440 life accepted christ danny wasn't going back to a building but through a digital expression aimed at a 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:17.200 particular people group video gamers he accepted christ oh my gosh you can reach so many different 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:23.280 types of people in digital space than you can in physical one of the planners that i've met recently 00:11:23.280 --> 00:11:30.560 is a first night first generation nigerian refugee and his goal in planting a digital only church is to 00:11:30.560 --> 00:11:36.880 reach other nigerian refugees displaced nigerian refugees across the planet you can never do that 00:11:36.880 --> 00:11:42.480 model in physical space but now through digital you have an opportunity to do something different 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:46.960 what if your physical church actually partnered with maybe some of the people that have a specific 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:51.840 calling like this and what if your church not only through the physical model but you reached out 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:59.040 to a nigerian people group or to a gamer people group or to an american sign language another one 00:11:59.040 --> 00:12:03.920 american sign language asl hard of hearing another one of the largest unreached people groups in america 00:12:03.920 --> 00:12:10.000 oh my gosh the ministry potential we could have that would never happen in the building stop looking 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:14.400 at the building as a threat figure out how you can diversify your ministry to do something different 00:12:14.400 --> 00:12:22.080 all right now so i'm cheating here also realize to be different models of church disciple people 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:27.600 in different ways so remember we're talking here three reasons why your church should be multimodal to be 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:33.520 different models of church disciple people in different ways here's the challenge how we 00:12:33.520 --> 00:12:38.320 disciple someone in physical space in a physical building in that you know sunday school and maybe 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:43.360 it's a cell group model small groups that are meeting in homes how that works in digital space how 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:49.280 you're going to disciple somebody in a workplace ministry it evolves it looks different and that's not 00:12:49.280 --> 00:12:57.200 a bad thing it's a good thing because people need to be discipled in different ways there are people that 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:02.560 are going to connect with a digital only expression utilizing a discord or there are people that are 00:13:02.560 --> 00:13:08.080 going to connect better into a zoom type of digital there are people and there are people that i've met in 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:16.640 this season that are longing for the sunday school model to come back and that's not bad i i want to say i want to 00:13:16.640 --> 00:13:23.600 say we need as many different models as possible because there are people that are engaged with that 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:27.520 that cell group model with that small group that meets in homes there are people that are going to 00:13:27.520 --> 00:13:33.520 engage better in a digital space than in a physical space i i've personally i've met i've met people in 00:13:33.520 --> 00:13:39.600 my life that actually can't have a conversation and they're incredibly awkward on zoom but when you get 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:45.040 them in virtual reality and they have that avatar that's separating it's a completely different environment 00:13:45.040 --> 00:13:50.160 because they're more comfortable in that space and for me to say that you can't disciple somebody in 00:13:50.160 --> 00:13:55.520 virtual reality because that's not what they talked about in the bible is ridiculous it's a model 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:02.160 so let's figure out how to use whatever tools we have available to disciple these different people 00:14:02.160 --> 00:14:10.480 in different ways creating that disciple physically digitally microchurch they all have to look different 00:14:11.040 --> 00:14:18.240 celebrate those differences encourage those differences find ways to support those differences moving forward 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:24.240 because in the end you're reaching a different type of person than what your single strategy of the buildings alone 00:14:24.800 --> 00:14:30.560 will reach and that's the importance you're reaching different people you're discipling them in different ways 00:14:30.560 --> 00:14:37.520 and you're mobilizing releasing them into different methods than just the building alone hey look number 00:14:37.520 --> 00:14:43.680 three here remember this is three reasons why your church needs to be multimodal number three allow 00:14:43.680 --> 00:14:48.960 a different type of leader to shine i as a matter of fact just this morning i was having a conversation 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:53.840 with a digital church planner that stadia is working with and and we we've had this conversation 00:14:53.840 --> 00:15:02.240 she is not the paradigm of a church planner in a physical church model she is not the charismatic 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:07.520 leader and she knows that of herself she calls it out to say that she's not a leader is false to say that 00:15:07.520 --> 00:15:14.400 she's not capable of planting a church is false she's just not capable she calls it out of herself she's not 00:15:14.400 --> 00:15:21.360 capable she's not leaning towards that physical church model she doesn't have the charisma necessarily 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:28.320 to do that in physical space but her ability to lead digitally she's far more interested in in in 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:33.920 discipleship and disciple making networking she's more of a gatherer than than the leader and this 00:15:33.920 --> 00:15:40.720 is the stuff that really works well digitally she was created in her gift sets i believe will help her 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:47.200 be an incredible digital only church pastor and we stadia are helping her do that you can talk to me 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:53.440 stadia churchplanning.org digital we'd love to have that conversation another show um so whether you're 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:59.360 you're trying to be the physical church the digital church a micro church is going to be different than 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:07.440 a giga church pastor a multi-site pastor or even a multi-site uh campus pastor that looks different than 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:12.800 if i'm running a singular location or it looks different than if i'm doing a digital only so your different 00:16:12.800 --> 00:16:19.280 models if you're a multimodal church this gives you different options to bring in leaders in different 00:16:19.280 --> 00:16:25.520 ways maybe you've got that business leader who's in your church and he's looking for a challenge 00:16:25.520 --> 00:16:31.040 spiritually and the only thing that you're coming to him for is hey i need somebody to help in the 00:16:31.040 --> 00:16:37.040 parking team and hey you know what i really need this check this donation because i'm wanting to build 00:16:37.040 --> 00:16:42.480 something out our times are hard can you can you help us financially those are not bad options but 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:47.040 is it the best option are there ways maybe that you can develop him spiritually and then challenge him 00:16:47.040 --> 00:16:52.320 to reach others within the marketplace maybe we're diversifying even into the marketplace of what that 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:57.840 looks like or you're talking to him maybe about expressing and reaching into a digital only expression 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:06.240 there are options to challenge people with different leader capacities different skill sets beyond making that 00:17:07.040 --> 00:17:12.800 sunday operate smooth listen i i have produced tens of thousands of the one hour on sundays they're 00:17:12.800 --> 00:17:18.480 important they're helpful they're going to serve a purpose moving forward but there are other options and 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:24.640 this is what we as a church need to consider maybe we need to diversify maybe we need to allow another 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:30.400 type of leader to shine in the season so that they can be effective in ministry moving forward there are 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:39.520 diamonds in the rough and we don't even realize it and we're not utilizing them at all here we go i lied are 00:17:39.520 --> 00:17:45.680 you ready for this top three reasons your church needs to go multimodal i'm going to give you number four 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:52.400 what can we afford in this season okay look let's not let's call it out it's it's really the fourth i said 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:59.600 three i lied we're cool the reality is is that economics are hard it's it's funny i just read an 00:17:59.600 --> 00:18:08.720 article i posted it in some facebook groups today uh 2020 u.s was actually one of the top years for 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:15.280 charitable giving it was the the largest year of charitable giving in in u.s history 2020 we the church 00:18:15.280 --> 00:18:19.440 i i i'm seeing these articles all the time float through my desk i know the stories i've had the 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:24.480 conversation with pastors the church is struggling financially we're shutting our doors in the midst 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:30.000 of the largest charitable donation event happening in u.s history over the year of 2020. 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.960 i don't know how to explain this i i'm digging in i'm having conversations we're gonna do a podcast 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:41.680 on this on to the church digital here soon but i think what the takeaway is is that maybe your 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:48.240 multi-site can't afford to launch a new physical campus what if you did one digitally what if you put 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:54.960 that in emphasis not into a digital maybe a digital only expression of church maybe it's more of a 00:18:54.960 --> 00:19:00.480 broadcast with digital discipleship online maybe it's a a workplace ministry you're going to talk 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:05.040 with a couple of these business executives in your church and challenge them maybe there's some elders 00:19:05.040 --> 00:19:08.880 that on your board that need to get out and do things within the community they live in and you 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:14.960 want to create a micro church or a micro location strategy don't stop pushing ministry and multiplication 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:20.000 because the economics are bad and you can't afford the lease on a new building to buy a building or 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:26.240 the avl costs there are other things you can do by the way digital is going to give you a far cheaper 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:35.600 footprint uh than physical micro is going to give you a far cheaper model than physical and so utilize 00:19:35.600 --> 00:19:41.120 this what can we afford we can afford a different model explore that don't wait on it don't sit on 00:19:41.120 --> 00:19:48.960 your hands and put all your eggs in a building that's losing influence diversify what you're doing into 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:55.840 different ways thinking about shutting down even to that level if you're thinking about struggling don't 00:19:55.840 --> 00:20:01.760 shutter the doors of your church shutter the doors of your physical location and physically figure out how 00:20:01.760 --> 00:20:08.640 to diversify into digital only into micro diversifying to something else that's going to give you the 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:17.360 opportunity to exist to thrive moving on i have had a pastor tell me in this i've had somebody tell me 00:20:17.360 --> 00:20:27.520 that uh going digital allowed them to thrive going physical going back to physical actually hurt it held 00:20:27.520 --> 00:20:32.240 them back it was a lower standard i'm trying to get this guy to do a podcast as a church down here 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:37.440 in south florida i'm excited for this conversation because this guy's passionate about it and he literally 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:42.640 says hey jeff i was doing digital ministry right before covet here we went physical it actually slowed 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:48.640 us down it didn't work we went back digital and we started skyrocketing again so to say that digital 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:53.840 doesn't work that it's not right that it's theologically wrong that's god's call for you 00:20:53.840 --> 00:20:59.440 maybe there's opportunities to thrive in this area look and see where god is moving and join him 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:06.160 in that act at the end of the day don't limit yourself to one model in this season of struggle 00:21:06.800 --> 00:21:13.760 it's not put the eggs in one basket maybe it's to diversify if you've got if you got any comments 00:21:13.760 --> 00:21:19.760 or questions i would love to hear it i've got facebook user love this don't know who you are 00:21:19.760 --> 00:21:25.520 but the fact that you love this makes it happy for me that's great any other questions feel free to 00:21:25.520 --> 00:21:32.800 throw it in there and i'll be engaging them in the chat don't limit yourself to one model in this season 00:21:32.800 --> 00:21:39.600 like i said diversify we at stadia we are wanting to talk with churches that want to go multimodal 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:46.640 directly if you're thinking about this hit me up on social media every social media platform you can 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:53.600 think of i'm dear fed jeffreed backwards d-e-e-r-f-f-e-j hit me up if you are interested in 00:21:53.600 --> 00:22:01.120 going multimedia i stadia we would love to help you in that next week my vacation week i'm going to 00:22:01.120 --> 00:22:05.040 pre-record we're going to set it to stream you'll you'll get it next week and don't don't yell at me 00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:11.040 i'll really be on the beach kicking back relaxed next week here on the beta show what's the difference 00:22:11.040 --> 00:22:17.200 between a church broadcast physical digital campus and a digital only church hey this has been a great 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:21.600 time maybe a little longer than i wanted to but loved the opportunity to stream here exponential 00:22:21.600 --> 00:22:26.880 fans thank you for that thank you for coming back this is jeff with the church digital and with stadia 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:32.640 church planning we're going to wrap beta episode 30 here we'll see you next time here at the beta show 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:38.400 with the church digital podcast y'all have a good day