WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.960 all right hey welcome to the beta show i'm jeff with the the church digital podcast as always 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:10.960 powered by stadia church planting we're going to be diving into a little bit here 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:18.480 uh with stadia in this broadcast but here with the beta show uh we uh want to answer your digital 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:26.960 ministry questions uh live here on the show so as you have questions text them in 484-324-8724 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:31.600 that's if you speak telephone alphabet it's number four of the church uh and uh we're here 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:36.480 to answer your digital ministry questions on future episodes of the beta show church digital 00:00:36.480 --> 00:00:40.480 podcast just all sorts of fun stuff that we do around here uh with the beta show if you're 00:00:40.480 --> 00:00:46.640 listening to this on demand we do do this live every thursday noon eastern you can check it out 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:53.600 at facebook the church digital or youtube.com the church digital either way is a great place to engage 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:57.200 live and if you are live if you're out there right now go ahead and throw your questions and 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:02.160 comments on whatever platform you're watching and we'll we'll engage either live and in the show i'll 00:01:02.160 --> 00:01:06.720 we'll be i'll be talking about it i always have intended to say we'll be talking about it when it's 00:01:06.720 --> 00:01:12.160 me at least here in front of the camera so we'll be talking about it here uh in the show or maybe even 00:01:12.160 --> 00:01:17.760 afterwards and if you're listening um on on a podcast and it's kind of hard to type into a podcast i 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:22.080 totally get that which is why we love youtube so much go hang out with youtube but if you're on a 00:01:22.080 --> 00:01:31.040 podcast text those questions in 484-324-8724 next week uh and i it took everything within me 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:37.440 not to just ditch the entire plan and do this like right now what can the church learn from disney 00:01:37.440 --> 00:01:44.720 plus mcu and executive producer kevin feige uh it was about 3 a.m up 4 a.m i'm not gonna lie i had 00:01:44.720 --> 00:01:50.640 watched loki for the third time in 24 hours the finale it was incredible it's great good stuff 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:54.880 couldn't sleep last night and i had this idea i was like ooh totally want to talk about that but 00:01:54.880 --> 00:01:59.840 that would be spoiler ridden so i'm not going to do it this week next thursday what can the church 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:06.800 learn from kevin feige some really really interesting stuff coming forward in that one 00:02:06.800 --> 00:02:11.200 but here let's let's talk about where we're going to be here for this episode social media 00:02:11.200 --> 00:02:18.240 uh church this is the topic a church that fully functions that fully works in social media i did 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:24.720 i did a talk on this at social media church conference literally like i think it ran monday 00:02:24.720 --> 00:02:31.360 so it's still out there go to social media dot church the full talk still may be available nil smith 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:36.960 is over there and so uh who's been on the podcast several times and so if you want to harass nils hey 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:43.680 nils jeff is doing a little snippet of this much larger talk on being a social media church how can 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:49.840 he watch how can people watch the full talk that jeff did because jeff really wants everybody to see 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.840 that i have no idea if he's making it on demand or not but i'm just going to give you a little piece 00:02:53.840 --> 00:03:03.040 of it here uh with uh beta 34 here who needs a building questioning a social media church and 00:03:03.040 --> 00:03:09.920 it's interesting just even yesterday i put a post out on my personal social media feed uh talking 00:03:09.920 --> 00:03:14.560 about hey i'm doing this live broadcast who needs a building questioning uh the ecclesiology of a social 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:19.920 media church uh and and there there was a little i don't call it a war but a little disagreement on my 00:03:19.920 --> 00:03:26.560 social media on my personal social media channel between a pastor friend of mine who i probably 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:34.400 haven't seen in 20 years as well as uh a friend of mine that i've been working with in digital church 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:40.640 stuff who i've never met in physical space it's all been digital as a matter of fact he's in africa 00:03:40.640 --> 00:03:46.320 so a personal friend of mine 20 years ago in africa it reads this comment about our personal friend of 00:03:46.320 --> 00:03:51.840 mine 20 years ago reads this comment about questioning a social media church and and he says things like 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:57.360 jeff you can't do church on social media it's not the same uh and so and that was that's the mindset 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:03.760 now it's it's an older pastor friend the guy was was it was a uh i was i mentored me in in many 00:04:03.760 --> 00:04:11.280 stretches and so love the influence and and love this pastor friend but he's not viewing community in 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:18.640 in the same context at that my friend who's uh in africa who is connected through me connected with 00:04:18.640 --> 00:04:23.680 others in digital community they have completely different views and they started like getting 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:29.200 into this little slap fight on my facebook channel it was really kind of funny uh to to watch just kind 00:04:29.200 --> 00:04:36.640 of afar to see how it was was was going to boil out here's what i would say facebook church or any digital 00:04:36.640 --> 00:04:43.680 church for that matter anything that we're doing in digital space is not for everyone uh my pastor 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:51.760 friend 20 years ago uh that i that he was a a mentor in my life um yeah you know what digital church is 00:04:51.760 --> 00:04:56.640 probably not for you you're not connecting into that and and what's what's hard when we're talking 00:04:56.640 --> 00:05:02.800 about digital church and social media church a lot of the decision makers are of that age that aren't 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:08.480 being influenced by digital community and aren't really understanding how digital community works 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:15.360 and so it's not that uncommon to hear negative coming from leaders because they don't even 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:21.840 understand really the context of what digital community is all they know is it's not the same 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:28.880 and and and the frustrating part of that conversation is at this point even pre-covid 25 of americans are 00:05:28.880 --> 00:05:35.760 attending some representation of a physical church the number had dropped all the way down to 25 this is 00:05:35.760 --> 00:05:44.880 a pre-covid stat physical church it's safe to say evidently isn't for everyone either and so maybe 00:05:44.880 --> 00:05:50.160 while we're trying to do the same thing and get back to what was which was only effective 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:58.240 for one out of four americans i'm not even talking global scale here oh my gosh maybe it is time to 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:05.520 do something different to try to reach that other percentage so let's do this let's let's dig in here 00:06:05.520 --> 00:06:11.840 um acts 2 you know what i was gonna i was supposed to prep this early you're gonna see me kind of fly here 00:06:11.840 --> 00:06:19.840 because i want to read acts 2 specifically 42 47 and i was supposed to get that up on my bible app in 00:06:19.840 --> 00:06:24.800 advance and did not so this is a sword drill back from like the old school elementary how quick can 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:32.720 jeff get to acts 2 42 and 47 via his iphone app all right found it done here we go here's the scripture 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:38.480 i want to read to you guys uh they devoted themselves to the apostles teaching in the fellowship to the 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:45.360 breaking of bread into prayer everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:52.320 by the apostles all the believers were together and had everything in common they sold property and 00:06:52.320 --> 00:06:59.920 possessions to give to anyone who had need every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts 00:06:59.920 --> 00:07:06.080 they broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad sincere hearts praising god and enjoying 00:07:06.080 --> 00:07:12.800 the favor of all the people and the lord added to the number daily those who were being saved so the 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:18.320 question that i'm asking here is we've read through just here acts 2 42 to 47 it's basically the basic 00:07:18.320 --> 00:07:25.600 description of what a church is the first church acts church the beginning of the church the building of the 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:32.560 church this is really the the first time that there's a synopsis for what the church functions or what we 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:40.480 would say the ecclesiology of a church is they're using phrases here like baptism like prayer like making 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:47.760 disciples love worship praise lord supper generous they're being giving there's apostles they're teaching of 00:07:47.760 --> 00:07:54.560 the word they're growing leaders there's devotion there's repenting of sins so according to the 00:07:54.560 --> 00:08:01.200 biblical standard when we look at what the church is out of acts two we would turn around and say okay 00:08:01.200 --> 00:08:07.600 we need to do all those in the physical space and to some level some things are better than others 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:10.960 the physical church is doing these things but remember 00:08:11.840 --> 00:08:16.880 the physical church effectively today is only reaching 25 percent of americans so therefore 00:08:16.880 --> 00:08:22.240 maybe it's time to do something different which is why i'm asking questions like what would it look like 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:28.400 to do all of this baptism prayer making disciples love worship praise communion generous giving apostles 00:08:28.400 --> 00:08:33.440 teaching teaching of the word growing leaders devotion repenting of sins what would it look like to do 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:39.120 that on facebook on twitch what would it look like to do that well let's keep this in social media 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:43.680 what would it look like to do that in social media how are we supposed to do all of these things 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:53.200 digitally now if if i was once where you were that guy's crazy you know maybe i was in college when 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:59.120 i was crazy but i've been crazy the majority of my life truth be told and even the crazy guy that's me 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:04.240 okay look i'm i'm even understanding looking at this you're probably asking some questions and and 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:08.880 is this possible how does this work how would we do that let's even start here question number one 00:09:09.920 --> 00:09:14.880 this is these are my questions as i'm trying to figure out how to do a digital ecclesiology these 00:09:14.880 --> 00:09:21.280 are the things that i'm stubbing my toe on saying how do we get past this how do we baptize people on 00:09:21.280 --> 00:09:30.160 social media okay so like i can totally imagine streaming a baptism you know and i myself i've seen baptisms 00:09:30.160 --> 00:09:37.920 on on video in like apartment complexes where you know a a lay person not even a pastor is baptizing 00:09:37.920 --> 00:09:42.800 another person in a bathtub almost conks his head in the back of the the nozzle and and like well first 00:09:42.800 --> 00:09:47.200 off is it okay for a lay person to baptize is that a thing or does it need to be a pastor does it have 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:52.240 to be in a church building or is it okay if it's going to be in like a a pool or a bathtub something 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:55.920 like that but even questions like well what happens if somebody accepts christ that doesn't have 00:09:55.920 --> 00:09:59.920 any christian friends and is in a different city than the church where there's no context 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:06.000 you know questions like this really start to pop up question question number two for me 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:10.960 what does prayer look like on facebook okay so facebook's got a really nice prayer feature and 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:14.480 then the group thing and that's nice i'm sure you guys know what it is if not start a group and check 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:18.640 out the prayer feature it's pretty cool uh but but are we saying that god hears our prayers 00:10:19.280 --> 00:10:24.320 on social media like we're not vocalizing our prayers and we're not gathered together uh in physical 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:30.240 space where many are gathered together and so if if we're just typing prayers does god acknowledge 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:36.640 our prayers uh or do we have to gather together physically to do that question three can social 00:10:36.640 --> 00:10:43.600 media be a place of love okay let's be honest like we we've all seen the the eros version of love and 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:50.160 social media in the internet and digital is is filled with different types of sexuality and i don't need 00:10:50.160 --> 00:10:55.920 to go down that road uh but there's also another type of love where it's the echo chamber where we 00:10:55.920 --> 00:11:02.080 love so much of who we are we surround ourselves with friends and with sources and with content that's 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:08.800 driven in that way where we don't see other people's views or even other people unless they look and sound 00:11:08.800 --> 00:11:16.240 and identify exactly the way that we do can social media be a place of love where it's not about eros 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:22.800 or or where it's not about echo chamber but maybe where it's more about agape where it's self less 00:11:22.800 --> 00:11:33.040 love selfless not selfish maybe it's more sacrificial maybe it's more unconditional can social media give 00:11:33.040 --> 00:11:39.840 more than it takes that's the question question number four as we're flying through here church 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:47.040 services live streamed are we collecting followers or are we making disciples way before apple even 00:11:47.040 --> 00:11:51.280 created the newton okay there's a throwback for you the apple newton google that if you don't know what 00:11:51.280 --> 00:11:57.600 that is jesus developed an incredible social media strategy jesus did john 6 open up the bible go to 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:04.480 your bible act do a sword uh drill get there as quick as you can read it on your own time discover 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:11.200 the social media strategy where it's not just about reach but it's about engagement as well awesome stuff 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:19.200 question five can tick tock create an environment for learning and teaching you know okay so some of your 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:23.920 your heads may be exploding your tick tock yeah i was very intentional when i crafted this can tick tock 00:12:23.920 --> 00:12:28.880 create an environment for learning and teaching what what is now i'm not saying sermons i'm intentionally 00:12:28.880 --> 00:12:34.720 not saying sermons there's nothing biblical about the sermon there's nothing biblical about the 40 minute 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:43.520 process of what happens with teachings when in our physical churches today is there a way that we can use the tip 00:12:43.520 --> 00:12:50.880 talk tick tock tick tock structure to teach people that are engaging in a tick tock culture i'll be 00:12:50.880 --> 00:12:57.200 honest and if you're on our email newsletter just recently i sent out a tick tock uh link or a tick tock 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:03.840 video that revolutionized that changed a lot of my perception of view of of the the church and people 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:10.080 it's a very powerful video and it was by someone who was called good godless yeah i'm not exaggerating 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:15.040 here hit me up text me or hit me on social media if you want more information on that you didn't get 00:13:15.040 --> 00:13:22.400 the email but there's an opportunity here to reimagine what we're doing with the sermon to even make it 00:13:22.400 --> 00:13:30.160 effective to reach and to connect with people in a tick tock culture using a tick tock uh platform 00:13:30.160 --> 00:13:36.720 remember it's not recreating the same thing that we're doing in physical space this is the limitation 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:40.160 if we're looking at doing anything digital if we just do the same thing we're doing physically 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:46.240 well shoot we're just reaching those same 25 of people that are already doing physical stuff 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:52.240 we've that are already attending that physical church we've got to do something different and here 00:13:52.240 --> 00:14:00.160 comes these questions that i'm asking why not why not do a church only on social media question six 00:14:00.160 --> 00:14:04.640 here's another question i'm sure some of you are wrestling with can social media create devotion 00:14:04.640 --> 00:14:13.200 to god or can it just create religious consumers devoted to a brand this is a hard one uh and this is one 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:22.080 that comes with intentionality i believe uh what's the heart of the people that are driving the social media is 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:27.680 is it pointing towards god or is it pointing towards self uh and we'll unpack that in future one question 00:14:27.680 --> 00:14:34.400 seven i love this one is the holy spirit capable of moving in our digital lives no one is questioning 00:14:34.400 --> 00:14:40.480 whether the holy spirit can move in physical space asking the question have we seen god move have we seen 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:45.920 the holy spirit move in our lives digitally have we seen god move have we seen the holy spirit move 00:14:45.920 --> 00:14:52.400 in other people in other people's lives digitally hey these are some questions i'm intentionally 00:14:52.400 --> 00:14:57.040 being vague because i i kind of want you guys to come up with some of the answers the heart of this 00:14:57.040 --> 00:15:08.400 can an axe to church be done through a church existing only on social media short answer here is yes and no 00:15:08.400 --> 00:15:16.240 uh to according to uh to my friend from africa yes it can certainly be done according to my friend 20 year 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:24.880 former or 20 year pastor no it can't be uh and it really just depends on the context here like i said 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:36.080 of how they view community my friend my pastor only sees people viewed when physical community as the 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:42.480 community that's worthy of a church my friend in africa views digital community as a community that's 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:50.080 worthy of a church what's your view and how are you going to put this together and more importantly 00:15:50.800 --> 00:15:59.840 what do you think culture is open to where are they receptive right now here in america 25 of people 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:07.840 are engaging in physical church that number has been dropping rapidly in recent decades and at the 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:14.000 heart of this really it's because the i think the church has been locked into a single method in a single 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:22.240 way and while church has and while culture has evolved the church claiming to be the same yesterday today 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:29.760 and forever jesus is has not evolved realizing that hey maybe jesus is the same but our methods need to 00:16:29.760 --> 00:16:36.240 evolve it was funny i'm just even flashing here on a leonard sweet uh quote from soul tsunami this is a book 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:44.400 from maybe 20 years ago but talking about how there's more uh technology in a casio iron man wristwatch 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:51.840 um this is the quotes from like 1990 probably eight there's more technology in a casio iron man wristwatch 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:57.760 uh except but the problem is is that the church has not changed any excuse me this is a bad quote 00:16:57.760 --> 00:17:03.440 there's more technology in a casio iron man wristwatch than the apollo entire apollo 11 space mission 00:17:04.560 --> 00:17:10.160 yet the church has not changed anything that it's done since the apollo 11 space mission so over the 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:15.920 span of 20 years the church hadn't done anything different yet technology has grown immensely um going 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:23.600 from smart technology in a wristwatch than how we got to the moon crazy crazy stuff church here's the heart of 00:17:23.600 --> 00:17:32.320 this digital community does not work like physical immunity so digital church is not going to work like 00:17:32.320 --> 00:17:37.680 physical church is going to work if you're a digital planner start start and think this don't recreate 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:45.600 physical church on social media reimagine how the acts to church can operate on social media go back to 00:17:45.600 --> 00:17:53.920 that punch list of baptism care communion love all the things that were there the teaching the worship the 00:17:53.920 --> 00:18:02.400 praise giving uh producing leaders the site making hit all those things up and reimagine what that can be 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:08.320 like on facebook look at some of the the pioneers that are in this area it's just even on facebook i'm 00:18:08.320 --> 00:18:16.400 talking um angela craig um hope city church pursuit church live there there's a number heart hearts like 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:22.320 his uh dr john harris is is one that's that's come up in at least in my attention recently there are plenty of 00:18:22.320 --> 00:18:30.320 others that are out there forging away trying to get out there to recreate to reimagine what a church would 00:18:30.320 --> 00:18:36.000 be in that digital space and so there's a lot of options here for that now for for some of you digital 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:42.640 ministry people uh that are working at physical churches let me challenge you with this every soul 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:48.480 you connect with even those beyond your church's physical reach need to be cared for and need to be 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:54.800 challenged spiritually you know so often i and i'm having these conversations with physical churches 00:18:54.800 --> 00:18:59.840 that are doing digital ministry they just come up with this big question mark because in with a 00:18:59.840 --> 00:19:06.240 physical church that's doing digital ministry very often the uh the physical ministry is feed the digital 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:11.280 ministry is feeding into physical so you don't actually do discipleship you don't do disciple making 00:19:11.280 --> 00:19:15.920 you don't do church in digital space you do that in physical space digital is just the front door that 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:20.080 feeds into physical there's really nothing wrong with that strategy as long as you put a little 00:19:20.080 --> 00:19:26.240 asterisk here and pay attention to hey what about those people that aren't within physical reach 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:31.280 what are we doing with them are we helping them get connected with somebody else to for spiritual 00:19:31.280 --> 00:19:36.880 development for care for shepherding are we helping them find a church within their local region 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:42.560 or are we taking that up on in digital space answer that question pay attention to that 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:50.880 and and i want to challenge you it's not as hard to help grow develop disciple and care for people 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:59.040 digitally than what you think oftentimes it's relationships it's caring and it's listening to 00:19:59.040 --> 00:20:07.200 those people at those times uh and that's the heart of it hey yeah there's been some great feedback coming 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:13.760 in here uh what con let me ask this somebody's asking this what kind of content works best for micro 00:20:13.760 --> 00:20:23.120 church house church setting my gut tells me that stage shots don't work what's interesting in a micro it 00:20:23.120 --> 00:20:27.680 depends upon whether you're doing video teaching or whether you know there's a micro what i would call 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:35.840 micro location where there's physical stream that's being broadcast in where it's it's not independent 00:20:35.840 --> 00:20:43.360 of a physical church it's actually more of like a satellite extension of it um and so what i would tell 00:20:43.360 --> 00:20:50.960 you is i i as a video director the tighter the better uh is is my gut on that because you're able to convey 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:56.560 more emotions facially uh the stage wide shot you're right that doesn't do that i i tend to go either 00:20:56.560 --> 00:21:04.240 between a head to toe uh a mid thigh to top a head or um you know a chest shot up towards that uh especially 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:09.840 in the teaching that's micro location the other extension of the other opposite perspective of that 00:21:09.840 --> 00:21:15.600 is a micro church where it's not about what's happening on a tv screen you're actually challenging 00:21:15.600 --> 00:21:21.840 that volunteer that's opening up their house to shepherd to teach uh to care for at a much higher level 00:21:21.840 --> 00:21:27.040 doing things like kc underground uh would do and some things like that so there's pros and cons there's 00:21:27.040 --> 00:21:32.800 different levels of gray in between each but those are kind of those extensions to look at uh sounds 00:21:32.800 --> 00:21:38.000 like what angela craig's been doing maybe yes there's there's a lot of angela craig in here hey somebody's 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:43.680 calling me out and i didn't mean to do this twitch is social too uh the stuff that jate airheart is doing 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:51.760 um you know a number of others matt um pastor susie uh comes to mind mark lutes uh comes to mind with 00:21:51.760 --> 00:21:58.880 lux digital church i'm sure there's a bunch there i love this for me i don't care if people call it a 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:03.360 church or not this is another facebook user i don't care if people call it a church or not the people 00:22:03.360 --> 00:22:08.880 you should be trying to reach aren't probably looking for a church anyway uh the word church probably might 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:14.560 scare them off focus what a church needs to be and do that the name hangs uh both sides up far 00:22:14.560 --> 00:22:19.120 too often that's true i mean it's not wrong i'll have to look and see who that is but that that's 00:22:19.120 --> 00:22:25.120 that's a very good word um what's interesting even with the digital planters uh it's it's digital 00:22:25.120 --> 00:22:32.560 church or it's it's um missionary digital missionary and and it's kind of been some of my advice has been 00:22:32.560 --> 00:22:37.200 use whatever word works best with the people that you're talking with yeah maybe you're a digital 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:42.160 church or maybe you're a digital missionary that's feeding into a digital church or to a you know 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:48.080 physical church different strategies different levels of gray this is why i love where we are in 00:22:48.080 --> 00:22:56.480 2021 because it's not about a single strategy that just works and everybody's trying to copy 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:02.720 whatever that initial strategy is there's different layers there's different options there's different 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:09.440 shades of gray jesus is the same yesterday today and forever i am not watering that down what i'm saying 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:15.360 is that maybe there's different strategies on on how to utilize that for the kingdom and how to get 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:24.080 jesus in front of people and get people connected to christ uh ironically amen brothers exactly uh what i have 00:23:24.080 --> 00:23:31.200 found true with those that i've been meeting and collecting uh into our community so cool love this 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:34.080 this has been a great conversation here love some of the comments coming in 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:40.880 i'll be engaging with some of the contents um post uh post this broadcast off air but we're gonna wrap this 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:48.560 has been a great beta uh episode uh 34 here uh who needs a building uh questions on the social media church 00:23:48.560 --> 00:23:54.160 i don't look i don't have the answers at least not in this broadcast figure out how uh to answer these 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:59.600 questions ask your own questions and start to dig through them as well ultimately realize this stadia 00:23:59.600 --> 00:24:06.000 wants to help you wants to help your ministry find digital purpose whether it's digital only planting 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:12.080 digital multimodal co-vocational head over to the church.digital for next steps on these things 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:16.800 and if you need help getting started you're you're stuck you don't know how to take that first step 00:24:16.800 --> 00:24:26.160 he's literally giving you my cell phone number right here on the air 484-324-8724 like i said beta 35 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:30.880 what can the church learn from disney plus mcu and or kevin feige i don't know who actually 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:36.320 should take credit for some of these ideas but i i just gonna like i've loved some of the things that 00:24:36.320 --> 00:24:42.000 i've seen and want to tie all of this in maybe even towards a digital expression of church next week 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:48.080 on the beta show so jeff kind of wrapping up from the church digital from stated church planting 00:24:48.080 --> 00:24:53.040 and all the other fun stuff thanks for being here and we'll see you next week here at the beta show 00:24:53.040 --> 00:24:54.960 y'all have a good day