WEBVTT 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:06.900 All right. Hey, welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. Actually, it's the beta show. I'm 00:00:06.900 --> 00:00:09.660 so tired. I don't even know what I'm doing right now. This is going to be a great show 00:00:09.660 --> 00:00:14.560 here. Beta episode 40 here with the Church Digital. My name is Jeff. Once again, all of 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:19.960 this is powered by Stadia Church Planting. I know what it is. The music in the background 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:24.580 is just so inspiring. The chill factor. It's got me relaxed. I couldn't even think of where 00:00:24.580 --> 00:00:29.840 I was. Hey, I'm excited about this topic here with Beta 40. This is something that's hitting 00:00:29.840 --> 00:00:37.520 close to home. We're talking Beta 40 here. How do I plant a digital church in three not 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:42.920 so easy steps? Yeah, so three not so easy steps here towards planting a digital church. What 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:47.520 we're going to be talking about here at the beta show, we answer your digital and ministry 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:52.040 questions online. So if you got questions, you got things that you want to talk about, church 00:00:52.040 --> 00:00:56.580 planting, established churches, digital only churches, whatever the expression is, digital 00:00:56.580 --> 00:01:05.120 first, text us here. 484-324-8724. That's quite literally my cell phone number. We'd love to hear 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:09.900 from you. Here at the beta show, we do this every Thursday live on a number of different 00:01:09.900 --> 00:01:13.740 platforms. So if you're watching this on demand, feel free to jump in live. We'd love to be a part 00:01:13.740 --> 00:01:20.740 of it Thursdays noon here at Eastern at Facebook, the church digital, as well as YouTube, the church 00:01:20.740 --> 00:01:26.960 digital. Links are on the screen and we'd love to connect with you. Podcast audience, hey, it's great. 00:01:27.060 --> 00:01:30.820 Love that you're engaging. Feel free to text us in some questions, but feel free to jump in here 00:01:30.820 --> 00:01:37.640 live. By the way, I'm just coming off of CPAC, Church Planning Assessment Center. Four days helping digital 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:43.760 only church planters sort of wrestle with what it means to be a digital church. Stadiachurchplanning.org 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:49.240 slash digital. If you're thinking about planning a digital church, digital only, digital first, you 00:01:49.240 --> 00:01:53.640 feel like, man, I don't even know if this is really a thing. Look at it. Dig into this. Maybe let's have 00:01:53.640 --> 00:02:00.100 a conversation. Stadiachurchplanning.org slash digital. Let's have a conversation in the time to 00:02:00.100 --> 00:02:05.680 come. Hey, Beta 41. What are we going to talk about? I'm not telling you now. It's a secret. We're going to get 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:10.740 into it a little bit, but here with Beta 40, here's what we're hitting on. How do I plant a 00:02:10.740 --> 00:02:17.320 digital church in three not so easy steps? Maybe, maybe it's easier than you think. Two of them 00:02:17.320 --> 00:02:24.900 really you could do right now, but I am looking forward to this conversation and the music can go 00:02:24.900 --> 00:02:28.360 away. That's great. I don't know if I like the music or not. We're wrestling with that. Here's what I want 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:33.900 to do up front here. Before we get going, I want to wrestle. I want to define what a digital church is. 00:02:33.900 --> 00:02:37.580 Maybe if you've listened to me, if you know me, you're like, hey, it's the Fidgetal guy. I say 00:02:37.580 --> 00:02:42.360 Fidgetal a lot. Stadia actually owns the trademark for Fidgetal in context of church, so we get to 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:46.900 define it, which is awesome. The Fidgetal is operating for a church. It's operating in the 00:02:46.900 --> 00:02:53.080 strengths of physical and the strengths of digital. Now, that is easy to find Fidgetal in 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:58.920 established churches and churches that are already existing, but for a church plant that maybe doesn't 00:02:58.920 --> 00:03:05.420 have some of those resources, honestly, that's a much harder conversation. And so what I want to 00:03:05.420 --> 00:03:12.300 focus on with this conversation is a church plant, is a startup church, is a church that has yet to 00:03:12.300 --> 00:03:19.380 launched or is now just launching. Ironically, even in my own life here in Miami, Florida, I'm working 00:03:19.380 --> 00:03:25.880 with Reality Church, Carlos Ludd Church Planter, who's on that same path. We are literally launching in two 00:03:25.880 --> 00:03:30.320 weeks, and these, honestly, are some of the conversations that we are having within our 00:03:30.320 --> 00:03:35.200 church. So here's three simple steps. Let me give you step one here for you right off the 00:03:35.200 --> 00:03:40.880 bat. This may be a little more obvious. Focus on digital communications. Yes, it is 00:03:40.880 --> 00:03:46.580 important for a church plant to understand digital communications. Digital 00:03:46.580 --> 00:03:52.860 communications is crucial, as a matter of fact. What good is vision? Now, vision can run a 00:03:52.860 --> 00:03:58.580 church. But what good is vision, especially for a church plant, for something starting out, if it's not 00:03:58.580 --> 00:04:05.680 communicated effectively? And so church plants out there, in order to be fidgetal, recognize that the 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:13.000 first part of fidgetal is understanding the communication piece, digital communication. Digital 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:19.180 communication, specifically, I'm talking here social media, I'm talking website, I'm talking email, 00:04:19.820 --> 00:04:27.100 video marketing, calendar planning, all sorts of organizational structure that comes around how to 00:04:27.100 --> 00:04:35.960 communicate. By the way, planter, lead pastor, you don't need to be the hero that's involved in all of 00:04:35.960 --> 00:04:43.340 these areas. What a planter needs to be is someone who can trust someone on your team spiritually, 00:04:43.740 --> 00:04:49.020 disciple them to the place spiritually, where you can trust them and then release them to manage the 00:04:49.020 --> 00:04:54.860 digital communications. If you as a planter, lead pastor, if you're controlling those logins, if 00:04:54.860 --> 00:05:00.060 you're controlling those profiles, if you are the one that's approving every social media post that's 00:05:00.060 --> 00:05:05.200 happening within your church, you yourself are going to be the lid that's going to prevent that 00:05:05.200 --> 00:05:11.920 communication from happening. Empower others, trust others, disseminate that information out, that vision, 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:18.520 and let others that more understand that platform run with it. As a result of that also, don't be afraid 00:05:18.520 --> 00:05:23.140 to experiment. It's honestly for the volunteers, and this is something that we're even wrestling with, 00:05:23.200 --> 00:05:33.520 it's better to ask forgiveness than permission. As a church planter, you can't know it all. You can't be 00:05:33.520 --> 00:05:39.520 involved in everything. Don't try. Trust your people to the point and let them run. If they screw up, 00:05:39.520 --> 00:05:44.960 if they say something you don't like, "Hey, can you take that down? Let me teach a lesson here, 00:05:44.960 --> 00:05:51.120 and this is why we would do it differently." Or even upfront, create a style guide so you get the branding, 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:56.960 right? Branding style guide, but create a language guide. Hey, this is the posture we're going to take 00:05:56.960 --> 00:06:01.360 on some of these subjects. Here's what we're going to call our church. Here's what we're going to refer 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:08.720 to lost people, people who don't know Jesus. Create some terms, maybe even some theological guidelines 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:14.320 for your church to understand, for your volunteers to understand, as they're creating some of these 00:06:14.320 --> 00:06:19.760 digital communication pieces. By the way, even if you're not a church plant, that's a great idea. 00:06:19.760 --> 00:06:24.800 Create some documents. I learned this from Ben Stapley, the document king over at Christ Fellowship 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:28.720 Miami. Create documents, and the more that you document stuff and the more that you give those 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:35.440 documents to others, the more effective you're going to be in ministry. So what do you think we're 00:06:35.440 --> 00:06:43.040 talking about here? Step number one, focus on digital communications. Focus on digital communications. 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:50.240 That is the core component for your three steps, not so easy steps, towards being digital. Do digital 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:57.280 communications. Disclaimer here with number two and three up front. These can be done in different 00:06:57.280 --> 00:07:02.080 orders. I'm doing it in a recommended order that I think a lot of you will handle. We're going to be 00:07:02.080 --> 00:07:07.280 talking later on about maybe if we do these out of order and switch it up, what it would look like for 00:07:07.280 --> 00:07:15.200 your church. So the real question is, is are you going to launch physically first or are you going 00:07:15.200 --> 00:07:21.120 to launch digitally first? We're going to get into that here in a little bit, but let's assume that 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:28.480 the answer is going to be physical first. I want to put a little asterisk here. I'm not sure that it's 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:34.960 a good idea to do a true physical and digital launch at the same time. We're going to explore that here 00:07:34.960 --> 00:07:41.360 in a little bit. Honestly, with COVID, I don't know that I've seen a church really be fidgetal, 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:47.760 really go physical and digital in a deep way at the same time. And so I'm not saying it's not possible. 00:07:47.760 --> 00:07:52.560 I'm just saying I haven't seen it and I don't know that it would be really worthwhile. So let's look 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:58.160 at this. If you are launching physical church, then your next step, step two is going to be 00:07:59.280 --> 00:08:05.840 engaged with people in digital community for a purpose to invite them to the physical church 00:08:05.840 --> 00:08:11.920 community. Now, this is not create a digital community. I'm not talking about streaming 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:17.120 services. I'm not talking about anything like that. What I'm more suggesting is that you are 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:26.080 engaging in regionally based communities, maybe like Facebook groups or hashtags, engaging in digital 00:08:26.080 --> 00:08:32.160 communities, meeting people that already exist in these communities, building relationships with 00:08:32.160 --> 00:08:41.520 these people and connecting those people to your physical church. Other ideas. Facebook groups are a 00:08:41.520 --> 00:08:46.080 great way to do that. It's funny. Just recently, I did a search for Facebook groups and I put it in the 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:53.600 city of Miami. Thousands of options popped up where Miami is in the title of Facebook groups. And so 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:59.040 there's plenty of options of already existing communities that you can go in digitally and meet 00:08:59.040 --> 00:09:04.480 people for purpose of inviting to your physical location. Other ideas beyond that next door app 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:11.440 is an incredible solution here in Miami, specifically in my neighborhood. I get lots of postings about 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.320 you know, people who hear gunfire shots like at two in the morning. So it's inundated that, but it's 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:21.920 it's phenomenal to me how many people are you within these physical neighborhood of where I live are 00:09:21.920 --> 00:09:28.960 utilizing next door to continually communicate with each other. Or maybe it's following on social media and 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:34.400 engaging with accounts for local restaurants or or parks or schools. I just saw a posting this morning and there's a 00:09:34.400 --> 00:09:40.480 community around the school where my kid goes, one of my kids go. And so there's an opportunity to connect and engage in that 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:48.480 digital community, building that relationship that feeds into your physical church community. Hashtags for public 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:54.320 community events like farmers market and craft fairs. And oh my gosh, there's so many sporting events. 00:09:54.320 --> 00:10:01.840 There's so many different options that can happen for digital community that you can engage in at a 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:07.040 personal level at a church level. And you can also invite the people who are already part of your church to 00:10:07.040 --> 00:10:14.880 engage in that digital community as well. Now, the heartbeat here, and let's not miss this, is we 00:10:14.880 --> 00:10:20.480 don't want to create new community, at least at this point, what I'm more suggesting is that you're 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:27.840 interacting with already existing digital community. So as a church plant, even if you are digital and 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:34.080 you're just starting out, this is not a massive expensive thing. This is, this is microscopic. This 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:40.800 is utilizing the resources that you already have. You don't need streaming solutions. You need a smartphone. 00:10:40.800 --> 00:10:46.160 You need a laptop with a web browser. And so now you can start to meet people engaged. You can challenge 00:10:46.160 --> 00:10:52.480 your volunteers to engage with people within their physical, their physical circle of influence, 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:58.640 within their digital circle of influence, and maybe even tap in and be that missionary into the areas 00:10:58.640 --> 00:11:04.240 that they are excited about. Utilizing maybe some of these communities that once again are regionally 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:12.640 based because all of the discipleship, well, it lands in your building. And I think that's important to 00:11:12.640 --> 00:11:20.000 remember. Recognize that the discipleship that's happening is only in the building physically. Now, 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.640 as a church plant, is that good? Is that bad? I've got opinions on that. But at the end of this, 00:11:24.640 --> 00:11:30.560 it's you get these people into the building for the service where they're getting connected into the 00:11:30.560 --> 00:11:36.880 groups. So if that's your church model, when you're launching, being fidgetal doesn't conflict with that 00:11:36.880 --> 00:11:42.560 service. Being fidgetal, utilizing digital communications and engaging in digital community, 00:11:42.560 --> 00:11:51.280 the strengths of digital for this model work very well. And so it's all about engaging in groups, 00:11:51.280 --> 00:11:57.520 in existing digital community, and building relationships digitally to drive people to that 00:11:57.520 --> 00:12:05.680 building where your discipleship front door, that building exists. So is streaming that full 70-minute 00:12:05.680 --> 00:12:12.960 service, is that a wise thing? I don't even know that it's necessary. I mean, honestly, I would be more 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:20.800 excited, and I'll say this right here, I'm more excited about a 60-second video clip in this solution 00:12:20.800 --> 00:12:25.360 than I am about a full 60-minute service. Because remember, you're trying to connect with people, 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:30.800 build relationships, new relationships. "Hey, I just met you. Can you spend 70 minutes watching this 00:12:30.800 --> 00:12:37.280 video?" Chances are the answer there is no. And that doesn't say anything about whether it's the 00:12:37.280 --> 00:12:42.880 God thing is right, the theology is right, wrong, bad. Man, you want me to give you an hour of my time? 00:12:42.880 --> 00:12:48.800 I don't know that I can do that. Even creating these streams and these broadcasts, I'm very cognizant of 00:12:48.800 --> 00:12:54.160 the amount of time that we're doing. Right now, 12 hours, 12 minutes and 50 seconds. And so I want to 00:12:54.160 --> 00:12:58.480 finish this as quickly as possible before my audience, before those that are watching even on 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:06.160 demand tune out. And so if I'm really just trying to get somebody to come to a building, I don't need a 00:13:06.160 --> 00:13:13.680 full 60-70-minute service. I really need a short synopsis for them to get a feel for it. Now, Facebook, 00:13:13.680 --> 00:13:19.600 social media, these are still the front doors for your church, but it's not by watching 30-40 seconds of 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:27.760 a 70-minute service. It is instead much more about getting, creating content that's going to more 00:13:27.760 --> 00:13:35.120 effectively drive them to the service. Remember here, when you're doing digital, there is nothing wrong 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:45.360 with hyper-focusing on a locale, on using marketing to focus on even city blocks and say, "Hey, I want 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:51.920 to target my marketing energy and I want to create connections, an opportunity to connect with people 00:13:51.920 --> 00:14:11.840 digitally that you want to then drive to a physical location." All right, so a quick tip here, remember 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:18.000 that when you're doing online, when you're doing this, it's better to ask questions than make statements. 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.920 So when you're meeting people in these Facebook groups, when you're, when you're dialoguing with 00:14:21.920 --> 00:14:28.560 people through a hashtag, you're doing something through an event, learn who they are before you 00:14:28.560 --> 00:14:34.240 start talking about the church. Give them an opportunity to start the conversation and allow 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:40.320 them. Remember also, we've talked about this, be slow to turn on the webcam. It's not always about, 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:46.480 "Hey, great to meet you. Can you jump in a Zoom room over here?" Slow the roll. Let the relationship 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:54.080 develop digitally. And through that relationship, you'll be shocked how open people are to continuing 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:59.520 the conversation towards coming to the physical space, towards watching a video that allows them 00:14:59.520 --> 00:15:06.880 to connect. There's plenty of opportunities that happen when you utilize digital community as a community 00:15:07.520 --> 00:15:12.800 to reach and engage people for purpose of driving to the physical building. So here's where we are. 00:15:13.520 --> 00:15:22.160 Let's just, you know, the three steps, not so easy steps for a fidgetal church to plant. How 00:15:22.160 --> 00:15:27.840 fidgetal should be working in a church plant. So step one, we've got digital communications, 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:35.520 utilizing digital communications. Step two, being in integrating in already existing digital community. 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:46.000 Step three, here you go with this. Digital discipleship. Move to digital discipleship. So why? Let's ask some 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:53.040 questions. Let's go over. Why digital discipleship? The multiplication potential of digital is vital to a 00:15:53.040 --> 00:16:03.200 healthy church. Disciple-making DNA multiplies, replicates. It's the strength of an already existing 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:12.000 church. To be honest, discipleship's not always there. I mean, I'll say it. I'm sorry. I had a 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:18.720 church, I had a digital pastor tell me at an already existing church, a very established physical 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:25.680 church, maybe giga-church level. He said to me, he says, "Jeff, you know the only people who actually are in 00:16:25.680 --> 00:16:29.920 in the church today, in the big C church, you know the only people who are getting discipled?" He says, "Church 00:16:29.920 --> 00:16:35.440 planters." That's it. I don't know that that's true to that extreme, but the heart of it is, 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:40.800 is that if a church plan is healthy from the beginning, there's such an urgency on building 00:16:40.800 --> 00:16:48.720 that team. It's not had years of wearing off. And so understanding that DNA from the beginning of that 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:56.320 church and then supplementing it with digital, supplementing it, that's like gasoline on a flame. 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:01.760 And digital, how it multiplies, and then how it's going to roll into a church that multiplies, 00:17:01.760 --> 00:17:09.680 that already has a multiplication structure in place, is a phenomenal opportunity. Digital offers this 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:18.640 perfect mix of reaching people and equipping people that would literally, I said it here on the screen, 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:27.440 be gasoline on the flame of a church planting's existing disciple-making culture. And so that's 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:32.880 really the challenge if we're really talking about the why. Why is digital discipleship so important? 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:37.200 You see it right there. Because it's this, I'm going to reach people, 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:43.440 and I'm going to also equip people. I can build that relationship, and then after I have the 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:48.400 relationship, I can apply that disciple-making culture to digital, and that's going to allow 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:54.000 me to equip people because digital is so strong when it comes to equipping people. 00:17:54.880 --> 00:18:00.560 All right, so but then there's a why number two. Why digital discipleship number two? Because digital 00:18:00.560 --> 00:18:07.040 community is a community that's worthy of a digital church. You see, many people today use the term 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:12.640 digital church. But to be honest, I don't know that we're really doing church 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:18.400 digitally. I think we're doing parts of church digitally. I think that we're doing broadcasting 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:24.080 a service digitally, or maybe we're supplementing a couple groups here or there because of COVID that 00:18:24.080 --> 00:18:29.760 don't want to come back to the physical space. But if we really look at the ecclesiology, the biblical 00:18:29.760 --> 00:18:36.800 functions of the church, I don't know that we're seeing that done in digital space a lot. There's an 00:18:36.800 --> 00:18:41.600 opportunity for a church plant to maybe recognize that now there's a different type of person that we 00:18:41.600 --> 00:18:48.960 can reach digitally as well as physically. All those communities that we've connected to in step two, 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:55.040 all those digital communities that we were now part of for purpose of driving towards a physical location. 00:18:55.040 --> 00:19:00.400 Maybe some of those that wouldn't come to the physical location, maybe now you have an opportunity to be 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:08.560 the church in that same digital community. You built that relationship in step two, but now is step three. 00:19:08.560 --> 00:19:11.920 As now we're looking at digital discipleship, we have some of the structures in place. 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:18.960 Maybe there's an opportunity to be the church, maybe to do some of that richer ecclesiological functions 00:19:19.600 --> 00:19:26.240 in that digital space. It's a challenge. Like I said, three not-so-easy steps, and we're starting 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:32.640 to see here number three, there may be a challenge before you. Maybe it's better to launch that church 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:40.320 first physically and then, hey, how do we do this next step? Don't forget that the digital options are there 00:19:40.320 --> 00:19:47.680 for more and that you can reach a different type of person digitally than you can physically. 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:53.760 So here's the deal. If you are hearing this and this is resonating, Stadia wants to help 00:19:53.760 --> 00:20:01.760 plant digital churches, just like I've been talking about here. Stadiachurchplanting.org/plant. 00:20:01.760 --> 00:20:05.760 Interested in planting a digital church? Interested in planting, we didn't talk about it, 00:20:05.760 --> 00:20:11.440 but digital-only churches. There's plenty of opportunities for Stadia. We worked with, I don't 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:17.120 know, a couple dozen planters just this week on going through a discovery process, assessment process, 00:20:17.120 --> 00:20:23.040 helping them understand what God is calling them to and what the ramifications of that are, 00:20:23.040 --> 00:20:28.720 and how we, Stadia, can partner with them on that journey. So we'd love to have you. 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:33.200 Stadiachurchplanting.org/plant. 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:41.680 Well, hey, we're going to wrap here. Beta 40. As I said here, planting a digital church plant in three 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:45.520 not-so-easy steps. Step one, step two, step three, maybe there's an opportunity there 00:20:46.320 --> 00:20:51.440 next week. Here's what I want to hit on. We're going to keep talking. Remember, step one, digital 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:57.360 communication. Step two, digital community. Step three, digital discipleship. You could do some of 00:20:57.360 --> 00:21:02.400 that out of order, up for conversation on that. The average church probably is looking at this one, 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:08.400 two, three step right here. So love what that's looking like. Beta 31, what we're going to, 41, 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:14.880 what we're going to hit next week. Man, time flies. Starting a church, maybe thinking digital first. 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.240 What does it look like? It's interesting. We've talked with just a couple of planners this week 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:26.480 that are planting, that want to do micro, that want to do physical, but they are thinking digital first, 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:34.320 that's then going to grow into physical. And so it's online to offline. We're creating an online 00:21:34.320 --> 00:21:41.840 expression, an online discipleship, an online ecclesiology that grows into digital. That's going 00:21:41.840 --> 00:21:48.640 to be the conversation for next week here with Beta 41. And to be honest, we're going to wrap. Hey, 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:54.160 this is Jeff with the Church Digital and Stadia Church Planting. It's been a great conversation. 00:21:54.160 --> 00:22:01.280 I love what we're talking here about church planting, digital church planting, strength of physical and 00:22:01.280 --> 00:22:09.840 digital working together. Questions, thoughts, hit us up on social media. Myself, Deerfeg, or the Church Digital 00:22:10.080 --> 00:22:17.520 on social media, your favorite platforms, or text us, 484-324-8724. This is Jeff. For everybody else 00:22:17.520 --> 00:22:23.840 here, thanks for jumping on here. We'll see you next time here at the Beta Show. Y'all have a good day. 00:22:23.840 --> 00:22:24.840 Thank you.