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 All right. Hey, and we are broadcasting in somebody's beatboxing. That was weird. I guess

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 Ray's really excited because, hey, normally we do the beta show here with the Church Digital

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 and Stadia Church Planting. It's Thanksgiving. It's the end of 2020 and dang it, I needed a break.

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 So we are not doing the beta show. If you have questions that you are so desperate to text in,

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 text your questions to 484-324-8724. We'll do them for a future show. Just last night,

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 I got a question that it was like, oh my gosh, I totally want to address this next week because

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 we're not doing it tomorrow because today, dang it, I want to goof off because that's just what I

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 want to do. I want to apologize. I want to apologize in advance to that person because we will forget

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 by next week. So text Jeff again the question next Tuesday because we will forget. I totally put it

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 in Slack. I programmed the reminder. There's no way we're forgetting. It's going to happen. It was a

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 good question. I even answered it for the guy. Hey, here's the response via text. You'll want to

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 hear it in a future show, but we'll get there. 2020 is cray-cray, right? And so it's crazy. I never

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 thought in January I would even use the word cray-cray. I'm not really the cray-cray kind of guy.

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 And even the language of cray, it's just so summarizing what this year has been. And so I

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 decided, Hey, why not? Right. We got the internet. I'm going to create a show and we're going to call

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 it cray. That's all it is. It's going to be cray because we're just going to talk about the crazy

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 topics, whatever I want to talk about because dang it, it's the end of the year, 2020 is nuts.

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 And we just want to goof off. So for the first episode of cray, it's going to be the ultimate

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 Thanksgiving smackdown. I brought in some guys here and I just really wanted to talk about what

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 Thanksgiving looks like. And let's talk about, cause it's so many different ways, so many different

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 traditions, so many different options. Dang it. Let's figure out in 2020, let's figure out what the

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 best of it is. And so this is what we're going to do here with the first episode of cray. We're going

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 to figure out what the greatness of Thanksgiving is. And so we've got Ray DeArmas, of course, who is a

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 long time co-host here with the church digital, a digital pastor over at Christ Fellowship Miami,

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 bringing on some couple of guys. These were digital pastors, our digital pastors with, that were part

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 of an online Bible study I did a decade ago or last month, I don't know, 15 years ago, 1984 before the

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 internet was really around something like that. So I've, I've got Mark, Mark Brandt from Grace, no,

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 Lutheran, Hope Lutheran Church, Church of Hope Lutheran. It's some mixture of that. And so

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 Lutheran Church of Hope, hopefully, you know, that's the beauty of live. Normally I would like

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 record that four times and take forever. Now we're just going to leave the screw up out there and it's

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 going to be great. All right. And so we've got, we've got Andy Mage here from, from the state of

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 Florida hanging out in Tampa. And so love what's happening over at Bay Hope Church. And they are doing a,

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 I mean, both these guys are doing phenomenal jobs in this season with it. Really excited about what's

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 coming out of some of the stories coming out of Mark Church and how they're doing some different

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 things with, with VBS in the summer and how it's expanding in. Andy Mage has been doing a phenomenal

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 job of really exploring this idea of like a content centered church. That's not just content centered,

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 but drives towards, you know, towards the disciple making process. But like I said, I'm not working

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 today. I'm taking a break. So that's all we're going to talk about online. We may sneak some stuff

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 in later, but it's not about that. So here, let's do this. I really want to dig into, since we're doing

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 Cray 01 here, Ultimate Thanksgiving Smackdown. I want to kick it off right here. We've got a series of

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 topics, questions, and I just want to open it up to the floor and let them goof off. All right. So

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 here we are. Question number one, salad, waste of space, or save it for the rabbits. Once again,

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 salad, waste of space, or save it for the rabbits. See, I object. I'm going to Phoenix write this and

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 I object immediately. It's on the East Coast. It's 1239. And I just had a salad for lunch. So are we

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 talking just Thanksgiving salad? So the judge would like to say at this point that we are just talking

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 Thanksgiving day. I am all for a salad, 364 days of the year, maybe. But in context here, Thanksgiving

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 day, salad, waste of space, or save it for the rabbits. What are we saying? Waste of space. Waste of space.

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 Waste of space. Waste of space. Screw the rabbits. Unless it has a mayonnaise-based dressing of some sort,

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 like a seven-layer salad, I can get down with that. But just straight up salad and dressing, not for Thanksgiving.

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 If mayonnaise is really in with salad, is it still salad?

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 No. It is a plant-based fat treat.

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 It is. Absolutely. Like cob salad on the regular, right?

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 Exactly. Yeah, cob salad. Cob salad is just a vehicle for bacon and eggs.

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 Oh, heaven, yes. Right. Yeah. So salad, at this point, it is a waste of space on the table because

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 even – I haven't even seen a chef dare to throw down a salad at a Thanksgiving dinner just because it

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 doesn't even fit with the rest of the motif, right? Like there's other veggie dishes that we're going

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 to get into in this kind of thing, but the color green isn't necessarily a Thanksgiving thing unless

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 it's involving broccoli and cheese, right? So that's not really something that really goes down on a

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 Thanksgiving dinner. I've never felt more awkward wearing a green shirt online than I have right

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 now, Ray. Thanks for calling me out. You're welcome.

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 I didn't realize I was not Thanksgiving-themed when I got dressed this morning. Well, I thought I was

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 trying something new, but I guess not. So awesome. All right, good. So we are saying it's a waste of

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 space. Moving on, we've talked a lot about this idea of how we're just going to just eat all day.

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 It's like a come and go thing. It's not necessarily this. So best Thanksgiving appetizer. Best

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 Thanksgiving appetizer. Just opening it up. What are you guys thinking? Who wants to go first?

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 I'll go with it. It's the veggie tray. I feel like this is the one time a year you throw the ranch

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 dressing right in the center. You got veggies all around it to dip it in. You got olives on there.

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 You got pickles on there. You've got carrots. You got broccoli, cauliflower, and in addition to that,

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 Chex Mix. All right. The only way I'm going to interrupt here. Sorry, Andy. The only way I would

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 accept a veggie tray in this answer is if it involves some sort of bacon-wrapped, deep-fried

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 adjective in describing it. So even in preparation for this broadcast, I googled appetizers and found a

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 recipe for bacon-wrapped, deep-fried pickles. I have no idea. I am intrigued. I bookmarked it.

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 We will revisit at a later time. That would be an acceptable substitution. Yes. Very, very good.

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 All right. Somebody else. What's a good Thanksgiving appetizer heading into this thing?

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 I mean, I'm going non-traditional and I'm going to be a little nuts here,

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 but because we're such a football-oriented household around Thanksgiving time,

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 chips and salsa is always on the table for us.

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 Yes. That was literally going to be my answer.

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 Awesome. Andy and I are, you guys are going to find Andy and I are totally in sync.

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 Co-pastatic, man.

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 But we normally do, outside of 2020, we normally do a turkey bowl in the morning,

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 right? And then we come in. And so it's like the perfect chips and salsa opportunity. It's not

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 too filling. It tastes great. And it's something you can just leave on the table throughout the

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 entire party and you know it's going to go. So for us, chips and salsa kind of works really well.

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 Correct. And then if you want to up your game a little bit, my 14-year-old daughter,

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 she always makes hard-boiled deviled eggs every single year. And those right there,

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 just one or two of those plus some chips and salsa. And you're ready for the pre-feast nap. And then

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 you can wake up and actually feast and then take another nap and then just continue on with your

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 day.

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 Yeah. But deviled eggs are a main dish though. They're not an appetizer.

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 Really?

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 They're like a staple. Bring that on.

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 I go app on that one. That's interesting.

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 Yeah. I would go app. Like, okay, Mark, here's a question. Where do you stand on mozzarella

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 sticks? Fried mozzarella.

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 Oh, gosh.

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 Appetizer or meal?

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 Oh, that's an appetizer with, with, with, with, yeah, with the, yeah, with the, I can't even

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 think of the.

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 Mozzarella sauce.

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 The sauce.

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 The red sauce.

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 The red sauce.

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 Marinara.

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 Okay.

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 Yeah.

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 So you're, you basically just think of your heart, your deviled egg as a mozzarella stick

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 with mayonnaise. Cause you already talked about the mayonnaise. You already talked about,

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 you know, all this thing. It's a, it's a portable, um, protein packed fat bomb for you. That's

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 two fat bombs in the, what are we eight minutes into this thing? Yeah, we're rocking it.

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 Yep.

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 And Andy, since you're mentioning eggs and since we already talked eggs and bacon and the

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 cop salad deal, a little candied bacon with those deviled eggs, some pancake syrup and

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 some, some black pepper put in the oven for 10 minutes, change your life. Uh, I'm telling

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 you, throw that down. It's, it's a great app. It's good.

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 Yeah. All right. So just an impromptu question. Don't have a slide for this.

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 D, uh, defibrillator required or all of this that we're eating here. I think we just killed

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 20% COVID nothing. It's, it's Thanksgiving dinner. It's killing everybody. That's awesome.

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 Beautiful. Okay. Hey, I apologize for the COVID joke. That just got awkward. All right,

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 moving on Turkey, normal, whatever normal is versus deep fried. I'm gonna, I'm gonna call

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 myself out here. I don't know that I've ever had a deep fried Turkey. Oh, you are missing.

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 Well, that's just it. I say it and everybody who has, it's like, Oh my gosh, what's wrong

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 with you? So you guys tell me, it's a, it's a little bit, the deep fried Turkey is a little

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 bit like Valhalla. Um, you know that it's on the other side of pain and misery. Uh, but

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 you know that once you get there, it's going to be joyous, just a joyous celebration of all things,

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 Turkey and poultry and everything. Uh, the only problem is, is that it's very dangerous and you

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 know, you have to, you have to be in a, in an area. So like you couldn't do it up North where there's

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 snow. Cause it would just, everything would blow up. Now in Florida where three of us are at,

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 all you gotta do is just take it out into the driveway and you can deep fry 14 turkeys if you want.

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 Yeah. If you want a rabbit hole to run down for about a half an hour, Google deep fried Turkey

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 fails. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You will see some seriously. Yeah. There's some, yeah, it's bad.

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 Yeah. It's akin to, it's akin to the 4th of July fails as well. It's like almost the same,

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 the same look. Yep. Nice. Yeah. A friend of mine who's a firefighter has actually told me that they

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 get more calls for that than they do for the heart attack stuff on Thanksgiving. They get more calls for

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 the, for the deep fried fails because so many people, the canister falls over or they're putting

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 it in like on the sacred pole and the thing splashes and then things go everywhere. But yes,

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 it is a worthy YouTube rabbit hole to jump down. So go for it.

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 Now, now I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to put something out there. Uh, I saw a meme floating

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 around. I think it was yesterday or the day before. And it was the, the cardboard testimonies

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 guy. I don't know if you've ever seen him, the, what, you know, he's always holding up the cardboard

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 thing. And he had one and it said, it said, uh, something to the effect of Thanksgiving

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 turkey is overrated. Convince me it's not. And I, I almost agreed with him. I'm a turkey

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 fan. Uh, like turkey lunch meat. I'm more of a fan of the turkey after the meal, you know,

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 the sliders and the, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The actual turkey for the meal. I'm

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 not the biggest fan of, and Ray, you and I, before the, before the show here, we were kind

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 of talking about some alternatives here. So could you walk the fine folk of the internet

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 through what's going on with, with your family? And then I'll, I want to interject there.

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 Yeah. So, um, somebody in our daughter's class tested positive for COVID. And so we're being,

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 you know, very, very cautious and we're doing our own thing as such this year. We're going

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 to miss our other family members, but you know, we wanted to make sure and keep everybody safe.

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 And so I asked my wife, Hey, it's a non-traditional Thanksgiving. We're, we're four,

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 we're two, two adults and two kids. A turkey is a waste of time. And it's also a waste of food.

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 So I asked her, cause I've been asking this for years, if I could make ribs for Thanksgiving

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 and God bless her. She gave me the green light. And man, let me tell you, I just, before this

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 podcast, I was throwing the rub on Jeff had to text me. He's like, Hey bro, you jumping

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 in? And I was like, yes, I'm coming in now. But I was like massaging the rub into the ribs.

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 I was like, you know, elbow deep and rib and rub and all that stuff. It was amazing. And

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 so I'm fired up because tomorrow those suckers are getting cooked and I can't wait.

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 So, uh, the, you'll see the caption below Thanksgiving versus ribs giving. I, this last

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 Sunday, uh, we have some friends of ours in the neighborhood that are, they've got, I think

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 14 of them. No, they're, I think there's nine, seven, seven kids and two adults. So there's

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 literally nine people living in the house and then my five that live with us. And so we were

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 trying to do a friend's giving cause we weren't going to see him on Thanksgiving cause of COVID

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 and all the other things. Cause she's a nurse and we didn't want to track a thing. Anyway,

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 I said, what about cooking ribs and just, let's just do a gigantic ribs giving. And my wife said,

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 what do you mean by that? And I said, I have that Traeger out there. I have seven pounds of

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 country style ribs in the fridge. Uh, our neighbor had seven pounds of baby back ribs and then three

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 pounds of beef short ribs. So if you count that, that's 17 pounds of ribs. And we cooked them all up.

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 Uh, we cook some pork chops up. We cook some wings up. We cooked all the Thanksgiving sides up.

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 And I tell you what, the ribs were the standout performer of that meal. And so I'm,

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 I'm putting forth in 2021 hashtag ribs giving. And I want people to join Ray and I on this crusade

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 to get rid of the Thanksgiving Turkey and instead put down the Thanksgiving pig. Who's with me?

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 I'm with you. I'm with you. I told my wife. Well, you said join us. That means I'm coming

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 to Florida then to join you guys. Done. We got, we got space. We got, we've got 17 pounds of ribs.

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 So we're good. Come on down. You're going to see it. Florida man changes turkey out for ribs

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 on Thanksgiving. It's going to be perfect. Done. I just bought ribsgiving.com. So we will,

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 we will market this, promote this, and we're going to make it, make it a thing. I got to tell you,

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 I too. I'm not a big Turkey fan day of we'll get to this later. Day after I love me a reheated

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 Turkey. It's awesome day of thing. Fortunately, my mom who does the cooking of the Turkey is in a car

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 driving and is probably not watching this broadcast right now. So mom, if you do watch this on demand,

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 I'm sorry. I love your Turkey. It's awesome. So, all right, let's, let's, let's move on here,

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 but there is something there towards this ribs giving thing. Hey, um, gravy with or without

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 giblets. No giblets without. Thank God. All right. So let's, let's move on quickly. I, I just started

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 world war three at my house with that question because my father is like the giblet king.

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 And it's like, it's disgusting. I don't understand why, why would I want to eat that anyway?

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 You have to make the gravy though, with the drippings from the Turkey, that's going to give you

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 the best gravy, but throwing you and you can use some of the, the burnt stuff that's on the bottom

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 of your roaster pan to make that really rich and flavorful. But it's a, come on. I feel you. Okay.

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 Moving on. Potato, sweet, baked, or mashed? Mashed. 100%. All of them. Mashed? Respect. I've got,

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 I'm a sweet potato guy. I really am. But that's also because Lauren makes it almost like it's a dessert,

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 you know, like it's got bananas, sweet potato, and then brown sugar, cinnamon on top.

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 So it's borderline dessert. It could hardly be called a side because it's so sweet. So yeah.

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 That's awesome. All right. So we're, we're saying all three. That, that makes sense for that.

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 Unsung hero on the plate. So I just listed off a bunch of things. What are we missing?

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 What's the one thing right now that you're like, this makes Thanksgiving, but it's not listed here.

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 We haven't talked about it yet. Green bean casserole.

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 Oh, green, green bean casserole. Definitely. That's, that's, that's high.

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 That's just where you can't, here's my, I'll tell you my one fail. So green bean casserole is one of

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 those things that if you, you have to go simple on it. You have to go the, you know, canned cream of

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 mushroom soup, the, you know, canned green beans, the French's, you know, fried onions. Cause that's,

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 that's what people want. I one year got crazy. I bought, I bought a $60 mandolin from Pampered

00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:31.360
 Chef, you know, to slice my onions. I made my own fried onions. I made my own mushroom sauce to go

00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:36.500
 with this thing. And I got fresh green beans and I made that up. I was proud of this dish that I

00:16:36.500 --> 00:16:42.460
 brought to our Thanksgiving. And everybody looked at me like, what did you do? You ruined this. I mean,

00:16:42.460 --> 00:16:47.320
 this was gourmet green bean casserole. And everybody looked at me like, you idiot. You just ruined the

00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:52.900
 best dish on the plate by trying to make this from scratch. Oh boy. This green bean casserole, if you

00:16:52.900 --> 00:16:59.300
 want to add it up, cost me $75 to make this thing. You know, when you, I mean, I got nice portobello

00:16:59.300 --> 00:17:04.780
 mushrooms. I made, it was a cream based, you know, sauce that went with it. And they just said, you could

00:17:04.780 --> 00:17:12.120
 have done this for five bucks. It would have been a lot better. Oh Lord. This is the reason some people crave

00:17:12.120 --> 00:17:17.220
 Taco Bell over like those, you know, artisanal cantina tacos and all that other

00:17:17.220 --> 00:17:22.220
 stuff. That's very nice. There's, there's probably a ministry implication in there somewhere just

00:17:22.220 --> 00:17:31.140
 because you can, does not mean you should. It's funny that this is like the pre Christmas episode,

00:17:31.140 --> 00:17:34.860
 right? Because everybody just wants their traditional Christmas music, but then we're like,

00:17:34.860 --> 00:17:39.080
 no bro, we're going to throw some U2 in there or something else. And they're like, dude, we just

00:17:39.080 --> 00:17:43.440
 wanted to sing joy to the world. Leave me alone. So that's how it goes for me. The unsung hero on the

00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:49.140
 plate. And this is just cause I'm a bread guy. Pillsbury Grands every year, I down like a thousand

00:17:49.140 --> 00:17:54.680
 of them. It's so simple. It's so easy. And yet every year I just, I gobble them all up. They're

00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:59.380
 amazing. I'm going to go, I'm going to have to go with the corn casserole. I don't know why,

00:17:59.380 --> 00:18:06.100
 but I, I just, I will grab two or three helpings of that just jiffy. And again, it has to be

00:18:06.100 --> 00:18:12.220
 the jiffy like out of the box. Give me a can of creamed corn and a whole stick of butter and

00:18:12.220 --> 00:18:17.020
 we're good. Whole stick of butter and anything Thanksgiving is good. There's some sugar in there

00:18:17.020 --> 00:18:23.060
 too, right? Yeah. I mean, that's sugar and butter. There's probably love and sugar and butter and

00:18:23.060 --> 00:18:26.760
 everything in there. Yeah. I'm good with all of it. All right. So we've got somebody, some of these

00:18:26.760 --> 00:18:31.720
 things, I'm sorry, Jeff, but some of these things you would never like, this is like a one time a

00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:35.680
 year. Like I can't think of another time of year. I'm like, man, green bean casserole, man, corn casserole.

00:18:36.140 --> 00:18:41.200
 It's just, but you have to have these things because it just is what your, your brain and your body

00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.980
 expect. It's that one day of the year you're like, like that cranberry jello that comes from the can,

00:18:46.060 --> 00:18:49.560
 like the cranberry sauce basically because you used it as opposed to. I mean, you pour it out,

00:18:49.620 --> 00:18:54.720
 it's still got the ribs from the can, you know, formed into the jello, but no time out of the year

00:18:54.720 --> 00:19:01.300
 are you going to eat that except on Thanksgiving. That's right. Totally true. Now does the cream,

00:19:01.300 --> 00:19:07.640
 the cranberry sauce, does it have like the, the cranberry bits in it or are we better off not,

00:19:07.760 --> 00:19:13.400
 you see, I would prefer no bits. I don't want the bits. I like like clean uniform. It's, it's just,

00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:18.740
 it's not ready for that. So Ray, what are you thinking on that? I think you go without it. I mean,

00:19:18.840 --> 00:19:22.160
 you know, if you're going to go for the whole motif, just let it come out of the can,

00:19:22.260 --> 00:19:25.240
 slide out of the can and let it jiggle on the plate a little bit before it comes apart.

00:19:28.340 --> 00:19:33.600
 I got Brian coming in as well. Brian, uh, most of stuffing, gotta have it. Um,

00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:38.880
 it depends on the gravy. Yeah. Yeah. It's you guys tell me, what are you thinking?

00:19:40.140 --> 00:19:44.020
 I mean, in my house, it's true. They always roll stovetop and then they chop up apples and throw it

00:19:44.020 --> 00:19:46.020
 inside. And that's, that's normally what we roll with.

00:19:46.860 --> 00:19:52.920
 I started making, uh, my youngest is allergic to like 12 different things. Wheat, soy, peanut,

00:19:53.140 --> 00:19:59.440
 dairy, all the things. And so I started making a cornbread stuffing with homemade sage sausage

00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:05.200
 and apples and onions. And I'll tell you what, I, I don't care that nobody else eats it. It's my

00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:10.340
 wife and I getting down on a pan of that. Yep. The sausage is the one stuffing add on that I will

00:20:10.340 --> 00:20:14.360
 allow because I think it just adds to it. But I'm, you know, apples, I'm not opposed to it. That

00:20:14.360 --> 00:20:20.240
 sounds like a good ad, you know, it's great. Huh? All right. Moving on. We, we, we got other

00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:27.500
 things to talk about here. Dessert, pecan, pumpkin, or other. What are we thinking? Pecan, pumpkin,

00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:36.020
 or other. Okay. Let me start off by just making one, a little aside correction. So I, uh, I went to a,

00:20:36.020 --> 00:20:41.760
 a cooking class in Nolens one time and this, this, uh, Cajun chef said, here's the deal.

00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:46.300
 The pecan is what you take with you on the fishing boat. If you're going to be out all day,

00:20:46.300 --> 00:20:54.560
 the pecan is what goes in the pie. I love it. Just throwing that out there. Okay.

00:20:55.660 --> 00:21:02.580
 I love it. Uh, so Jeff, you want to talk on? There you go. There you go. You want to talk

00:21:02.580 --> 00:21:10.480
 about it? No, it wasn't the typo on the slide. He said, I'm not pronouncing it correctly for you. I'm

00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:18.040
 sorry. My, my, my sincere apologies. Pecan. I hate pecans. Uh, pumpkin, or is, is there something

00:21:18.040 --> 00:21:22.680
 other? What is the preferred, uh, dessert here as we're walking into Thanksgiving?

00:21:23.420 --> 00:21:27.920
 Uh, we roll pumpkin or apple in the Diarmus household. We have, we have some apple pie.

00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:32.480
 Yeah. We have some apple pie and some vanilla ice cream ready just to throw a quick scoop on there,

00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:37.400
 um, for either or, and obviously some cool whip nearby. Uh, and that's, that's kind of how we roll.

00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.540
 I mean, I love the smell of roasted pecans. So if you roll pecan pie, you're not going to get a

00:21:41.540 --> 00:21:45.320
 complaint here because of that smell. When it fills up my house, it's, it's good. But the way that we

00:21:45.320 --> 00:21:50.180
 roll typically is pumpkin or apple. Yeah. And we were the same, right? Again, again,

00:21:50.180 --> 00:21:55.740
 we're like in it together. Uh, yeah. Uh, we don't do the vanilla ice cream. We are instead cool whip

00:21:55.740 --> 00:22:01.340
 fiends. And so we'll have probably three, three tubs of cool whip for 15 of us. And they'll all be

00:22:01.340 --> 00:22:08.180
 gone at a certain point. Nice. Yeah. We make one concession for my brother-in-law. So my brother-in-law

00:22:08.180 --> 00:22:14.860
 is a French silk guy. Oh, so even though French silk doesn't scream Thanksgiving, I've got one in my

00:22:14.860 --> 00:22:19.140
 fridge right now because even though we're not going to get together inside our house, uh, we bought a

00:22:19.140 --> 00:22:25.400
 fire pit because us Iowans are, are resilient in the cold. And so we're going to get outside and we'll

00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:30.400
 have a piece of pie outside by the fire pit. Oh, that's pretty awesome. Yeah. By the fire pit. You

00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:34.900
 see, these are things we don't get to enjoy in Florida. We want to go somewhere where we're going to have a fire

00:22:34.900 --> 00:22:40.820
 pit. We, we, we do, but it's already 90 degrees, you know, and then you have the fire pit juices it up

00:22:40.820 --> 00:22:46.880
 to like one 20. Yeah. Get eaten by mosquitoes. It's just a man. We don't have mosquitoes in the

00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:53.440
 winter, Jeff. Seriously. No. All right. Well, some feedback from the outside, uh, pecan evidently,

00:22:53.500 --> 00:22:59.440
 excuse me, pecan evidently makes somebody want to vomit here and pumpkin for the win. Another dessert

00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:04.440
 here, at least I'm assuming it's a dessert, a creamy cheese oven, roasted Brussels sprouts.

00:23:04.900 --> 00:23:08.800
 Ooh. Oh, you know what? That's probably not a dessert. That's probably one of the later comments.

00:23:08.980 --> 00:23:13.620
 That would be funny though for, for anyway. All right. Moving on. That joke sounded better in my

00:23:13.620 --> 00:23:23.060
 head before I actually said it. Hey, so we've got a pretty. Sorry. Yeah. Move on.

00:23:25.620 --> 00:23:31.420
 And we're back. Best time. We've been talking a lot about the food. Let's shift gears. Let's talk

00:23:31.420 --> 00:23:37.560
 about the overall experience. We're digital pastors. We're used to exploring the overall experience,

00:23:37.700 --> 00:23:42.940
 the vibe, the look, the feel in digital context. So let's talk about this. Best time for the meal.

00:23:43.320 --> 00:23:47.220
 When are we actually eating this meal? Thursday morning. Thursday.

00:23:47.980 --> 00:23:49.380
 Oh, not morning. Definitely not morning.

00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:51.960
 Not morning. My fault. My fault. My fault. Thursday.

00:23:51.960 --> 00:24:02.560
 I have a, I have a almost scientifically proven method of determining when to have it. So in my

00:24:02.560 --> 00:24:07.960
 household, uh, it is no four o'clock is wrong. Whoever that Facebook user was, I apologize. Four

00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:15.680
 o'clock is when dessert is one o'clock is when dinner is because football starts at 12 by one o'clock.

00:24:15.860 --> 00:24:20.620
 You're halfway through the second quarter. So nobody wants to do anything during halftime. You

00:24:20.620 --> 00:24:24.180
 definitely don't want to watch the, the, usually the crappy halftime show at the 12 o'clock game,

00:24:24.180 --> 00:24:29.380
 which is the lions typically. Uh, so you have your meal at one, you come back for the rest of the

00:24:29.380 --> 00:24:34.320
 football game. You digest, you let everything kind of percolate a little bit. You make the coffee

00:24:34.320 --> 00:24:43.000
 by four to four 15. It is dessert time. And then by seven o'clock, then you get back on that

00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:47.640
 like second Z's, you know, we're going to make sliders out of the Hawaiian rolls, that type of

00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:55.040
 thing that happens. But you have to keep it within the same realm of normal meals. Because if you do

00:24:55.040 --> 00:24:59.280
 it at like a two, like somebody else just put two 30, if you do two 30, your whole body's out of

00:24:59.280 --> 00:25:03.620
 whack. You're going to wake up in the middle of the night hungry. Uh, you're not going to know when

00:25:03.620 --> 00:25:06.620
 to eat breakfast. I mean, your kids are going to be crying, you know, all of these things.

00:25:07.020 --> 00:25:10.980
 One o'clock, one o'clock is the scientifically proven way. And I rest my case.

00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.820
 Do we believe in science anymore? I'm confused.

00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:18.620
 Oh, no, I'm kidding.

00:25:19.180 --> 00:25:21.840
 I'd say it's when the turkey's done. There you go.

00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:23.960
 You know, so one o'clock is good.

00:25:24.580 --> 00:25:29.440
 Yeah. I, we roll 1 PM too, but mostly because my wife is from Kansas city and that was traditional

00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.860
 for her. Now growing up Latin, I mean, Latins are crazy. We do everything at night. And so for us,

00:25:33.860 --> 00:25:38.540
 it works out for our family because one o'clock is, you know, we sit down with her family and we have

00:25:38.540 --> 00:25:42.540
 Thanksgiving. And then typically by seven o'clock, we're rolling over to my folks house and they're

00:25:42.540 --> 00:25:45.620
 starting their deal because you know, for the most part, they're going to stay up all night.

00:25:45.780 --> 00:25:50.160
 And so that's how that works. But for us, it works out perfect. I agree with you guys. One o'clock is

00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:54.800
 such a great time to do it because you just get loaded up, you get stuffed and you can enjoy the rest

00:25:54.800 --> 00:25:58.900
 of the football for the rest of the day. It works out so much better. And especially if you're coming

00:25:58.900 --> 00:26:03.160
 in from a turkey bowl, you're coming in all drinks and sweat. You're had a great time. And then you

00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:07.960
 just, you take a shower, you come in, you eat a great big meal. It's so refreshing. It's good.

00:26:09.140 --> 00:26:14.260
 Let's just point out the fact that you called, uh, Latin's crazy, uh, on a broadcast that's going

00:26:14.260 --> 00:26:19.660
 to come back and bite you later. I am. I promise you it's, it's allowed technically. Right. So,

00:26:19.660 --> 00:26:24.900
 yeah. So you've been talking a lot about Turkey bowl here, the preferred Thanksgiving exercise,

00:26:25.100 --> 00:26:30.940
 Turkey bowl, Turkey trot or Turkey nap. What are we thinking here? We, we, we play in football.

00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:38.700
 We going for a run or are we just sleeping the day away? All of them. Yeah. All of them. That's

00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:46.020
 right. Yeah. When I was a kid, when I was a kid, we used to do, I mean, it has to involve football

00:26:46.020 --> 00:26:51.000
 because you're going to watch football, but we used to go out and we would do this, uh, sideline

00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:55.540
 catch exercise. Like we wouldn't actually play a game. We would just find a sidewalk.

00:26:56.020 --> 00:27:00.940
 You're just running drills. Yeah. And we would try and catch the ball and, you know, get two feet down

00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:06.340
 and it just became this running route thing that we would do. And cause we never had enough cousins

00:27:06.340 --> 00:27:10.660
 to play a full on game. So we just would make up, you know, stuff and play, but yeah, it's got to

00:27:10.660 --> 00:27:15.380
 involve the football. It's that one year, one time of the year where everybody, you know, becomes an

00:27:15.380 --> 00:27:19.860
 athlete, you know, for about 20 minutes worth of just, you know, messing around.

00:27:20.940 --> 00:27:25.720
 It's so true. And, and so, and the rest of the day you spend in pain of the reminder of the fact

00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:30.880
 that you have not been practicing all year, but you decided to go ahead and run sprints on routes and

00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:35.800
 all that stuff. And so you spend the rest of the day just sore and your muscles are just reminding

00:27:35.800 --> 00:27:40.780
 yourself, Hey, another year older. It's like that nice bitter push before the end of the year of age,

00:27:40.780 --> 00:27:45.120
 just reminding you, Oh, take a look, right? Like you've got back muscles and leg muscles that really

00:27:45.120 --> 00:27:51.400
 haven't been used in quite a long time, but Turkey bowl for us is, is a must. Uh, Turkey nap is a

00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:55.820
 definite, especially after that one o'clock meal. Oh boy. We have three o'clock. Nobody cares about

00:27:55.820 --> 00:28:01.240
 the lions. Fourth quarter is so great for a Turkey nap. And so Detroit fans, you know it too. I mean,

00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:05.260
 it's really a game that whether you win or you lose the playoffs don't matter anyway. So it's fine.

00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:10.880
 So I, I am a Detroit fan and I will tell you, we still don't care about our Thursday afternoon.

00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.640
 We still do not. It usually we're losing in the middle of third quarter anyway, so it doesn't

00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:23.080
 matter. It's good. Awesome. That's so, so good. Like even the law, even the lions fans, even the

00:28:23.080 --> 00:28:26.960
 lions players, let's be honest, they're, they're sleeping that fourth quarter away anyway. So

00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:32.460
 no, there is a, there is a run here in Iowa. So we have this place called living history farms.

00:28:33.060 --> 00:28:36.860
 It's like a vintage farm thing where you can go and you can actually churn butter and things like

00:28:36.860 --> 00:28:42.860
 that, but they have the, they have a Turkey trot each year, but it's, it's not your traditional,

00:28:42.860 --> 00:28:48.120
 like run on, you know, a, you know, an outdoor path. It is, it is literally around their grounds

00:28:48.120 --> 00:28:52.080
 and there's a hill that's got a rope that, you know, goes down it. You actually have to

00:28:52.080 --> 00:28:57.280
 hand rope up this hill. So it's not really trying to win. It's a race you try to endure. Cause I

00:28:57.280 --> 00:29:02.720
 think it's like six and a half miles. Wow. Uh, and, and so people will do that, but they set it for

00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:06.820
 like eight o'clock in the morning so you can get home in time to eat. And I, I cheer them on. I'm

00:29:06.820 --> 00:29:13.920
 like, you go. That's awesome. That's right. From the sideline. Good job. Good job. And let's be

00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:19.620
 honest in 2020, probably we've not been the most athletic as, as we normally would have been if this

00:29:19.620 --> 00:29:24.920
 was an average year. So those of you who are out there watching, don't kill yourselves, uh, doing

00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:29.600
 some of this stuff. Don't, don't pull the muscle. Don't strain the thing. Don't, don't tear the

00:29:29.600 --> 00:29:35.880
 thing. Just like, you know, be careful, you know? All right. Moving on here, wrapping up

00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:42.600
 here, better Thanksgiving day entertainment, uh, watching a parade, watching football, watching

00:29:42.600 --> 00:29:50.680
 1978 star Wars holiday special, uh, insert something else in like, what is the better Thanksgiving

00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:57.760
 day entertainment for y'all? I've got the wild card here. Football, football, football is the

00:29:57.760 --> 00:30:02.640
 one. Um, but when we were living in Georgia and when we were able to actually do things

00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:08.160
 before COVID, we would do. So again, let's, let's, let's go back to the timetable, ladies

00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:12.760
 and gentlemen, one o'clock dinner. So for me, it was Turkey trot in the morning, football

00:30:12.760 --> 00:30:18.440
 after that with the kids, then the, then actual, like, let's watch the first quarter and then the

00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:25.120
 meal at one. And then the nap at like two 33 desert at four, if you wanted seconds, maybe six,

00:30:25.120 --> 00:30:30.860
 seven, and then the nine o'clock movie. And usually the nine o'clock movie at the movie theater.

00:30:31.040 --> 00:30:36.600
 So they take the kids, you go wear them out, you do whatever. And then everybody sits in the back.

00:30:36.700 --> 00:30:43.600
 Sometimes the kids fall asleep. Sometimes you're whatever, but it's the best place to just wind down

00:30:43.600 --> 00:30:49.160
 from an afternoon of excitement. That's good. That's real good. Yeah. For us, we've done the

00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:53.580
 movie at home thing at night, you know, the theater, the theater is great, but you know, theaters in

00:30:53.580 --> 00:30:57.980
 Miami, especially pre COVID would get kind of stocked up with folks. And so it didn't, it really wasn't

00:30:57.980 --> 00:31:02.240
 as much of an enjoyable experience, but a nice traditional, even starting up like a Christmas movie

00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.200
 around that time, whether it's thrown on home alone or something like that, there's always kind of a

00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:11.780
 nice way to say goodbye to Thanksgiving and hello to what's next. And so it was always just a fun thing

00:31:11.780 --> 00:31:15.800
 to do there at the end, after a day of football, after all this stuff that Andy just said. So it's

00:31:15.800 --> 00:31:20.860
 good. Yeah. We're going to expose my 11 year old to, uh, well, I've already started it down the path

00:31:20.860 --> 00:31:27.460
 of, of righteousness. Uh, so we, we watched, uh, we watched the, um, Indiana Jones, uh, Raiders of the

00:31:27.460 --> 00:31:33.200
 Lost Ark. Now we're going to finish the series by watching Temple of Doom and Last Crusade,

00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.580
 because anything after that is not part of the series. It's not canon. We don't, we don't acknowledge

00:31:37.580 --> 00:31:41.740
 anything that happened after that. So that's going to be, you know, besides football, that's going to

00:31:41.740 --> 00:31:45.580
 be our evening, uh, evening session. We're going to, we're going to throw in some, cause we're doing

00:31:45.580 --> 00:31:49.800
 this year, uh, you guys are doing ribs giving or whatever you're doing. We're doing, we decided to

00:31:49.800 --> 00:31:54.880
 go on New Year's Eve this year for Thanksgiving. We're doing, we're doing all apps, you know? So it's just,

00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:59.360
 uh, yeah, bring back hashtag ribs giving. No, we're doing all apps. We're doing the traditional,

00:31:59.360 --> 00:32:08.760
 uh, cheesy taco dip and, uh, bacon wrapped little smokies. And, uh, so yeah, it's, it's just going to

00:32:08.760 --> 00:32:13.760
 be one of those for us. And we'll just graze all day and then have pie by the fire. That sounds awesome.

00:32:14.140 --> 00:32:19.200
 Yeah. We got to find ways to work all of this together. The Thanksgiving with the turkey, with the

00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:24.340
 ribs giving, with the apps, with the cheesy, you know, throw it, throw it, throw enough cheese on

00:32:24.340 --> 00:32:29.280
 top of Brussels sprouts. The Brussels sprouts are good. You know, you just got to find a way to kind

00:32:29.280 --> 00:32:34.220
 of make all that happen, which is really, I'm still kind of stuck on Andy using the word secondies.

00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:40.960
 Like I kind of secondies. Yeah. Secondies. I don't, I don't know. This is foreign language to me. I'm

00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:45.440
 sorry, but like that, that's the beauty of like the, the leftover, right? When it all just gets kind

00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:51.720
 of putting together into like one mush kind of thing and the casseroles are intermixing and the,

00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:58.140
 that, that mayonnaise salad dressings, like all in the, oh, it's so good. All right. Hey,

00:32:58.220 --> 00:33:08.520
 hey, wrapping, wraps, wrapping up here, uh, Christmas tree before Thanksgiving, on Thanksgiving,

00:33:08.520 --> 00:33:15.420
 after Thanksgiving, after Halloween, my wife will tell you. Hmm. So it's been up for a while.

00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:21.400
 After Halloween. That's interesting. Yeah. All Saints Day has a different connotation for her,

00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:28.120
 huh? Yes. That's good. All right. This year, because we're trying to speed this whole 2020

00:33:28.120 --> 00:33:32.700
 thing up, we actually put ours up before Thanksgiving, but typically it's that Friday

00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:39.020
 after Thanksgiving. Is it all day house work day, the lights go up outside, the tree goes up. It all

00:33:39.020 --> 00:33:44.140
 happens the day after Thanksgiving, typically for us. But this year, because, hey, 2020, we're done with you.

00:33:44.140 --> 00:33:49.140
 We want everything to move ahead. It was, it all went up already on Monday. And so Christmas is

00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:56.240
 already ready to go for the table. Yeah. I think, I think my tree went up November 5th,

00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:01.760
 November 4th. Like it was just, uh, you know, I, I was, I was talking about it before Halloween. I was

00:34:01.760 --> 00:34:06.920
 like, oh my gosh, I just, I want to get there. I need some change. I need some happiness in my life.

00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:11.660
 Let's put the tree up. Uh, let's, let's at least try that. So yeah, I'm, I'm with Ray. It's,

00:34:11.740 --> 00:34:16.040
 it's the day after Thanksgiving for us usually. Uh, and the kids have been asking, Hey, can we do it

00:34:16.040 --> 00:34:21.420
 now? Can we do it now? It's like, I, something just doesn't feel right in my soul to do it right

00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:27.500
 now. I'm a, I'm what my brother calls a calendarist. Uh, and so it, it, we have to hold true to what the

00:34:27.500 --> 00:34:33.680
 calendar says. Right. The calendar is predetermining your destination, election, et cetera. A calendarist.

00:34:34.220 --> 00:34:38.860
 Correct. Yeah. And we can, it's theologically rich. My, my November is theologically rich in that,

00:34:38.940 --> 00:34:43.280
 in that vein. I love it. That's funny. This is going to bother you, Andy. I'm going to warn you

00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:49.900
 in advance. I got a Facebook user that's saying put the tree up after Thanksgiving, duh, but my church

00:34:49.900 --> 00:34:58.240
 did extend Advent two weeks. Oh, any, any thoughts or comments on that? Andy, you can't extend Advent.

00:34:58.560 --> 00:35:08.240
 Yeah. How did you call God? Like I'm Methodist. We can't do that.

00:35:08.240 --> 00:35:17.020
 No. We'll get kicked out. Mark knows. Even as a Baptist, I'm like, you can't do that. Like,

00:35:17.080 --> 00:35:25.480
 what are you talking about? Yeah. Oh, they're coming back. There's precedent. I mean, come on.

00:35:25.540 --> 00:35:32.580
 There's precedent. In times of a global pandemic, bring people hope by inviting them to a prolonged

00:35:32.580 --> 00:35:38.240
 Advent experience. So that's beautiful. Who can forget? Who can forget the Christmas of 1919

00:35:38.240 --> 00:35:43.500
 and the Spanish flu and the Advent was extended an extra two months? That one time.

00:35:45.260 --> 00:35:50.040
 I would, I would love whoever that is on Facebook. I can't see from here. I'll find the comment,

00:35:50.040 --> 00:35:55.020
 but I would love to know details of what that, what that looks like for your, your church,

00:35:55.100 --> 00:35:58.800
 a precedent. I don't care about, but it was just the story of how that works there.

00:35:59.040 --> 00:36:02.300
 I would like to know so I can pray for you and your eternal soul as well.

00:36:03.680 --> 00:36:05.740
 Whoa, that just got dark.

00:36:06.300 --> 00:36:10.760
 Hey, no, I'm trying to bring light and happiness into that person's life, whoever that is. Cause

00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:17.220
 precedent. Get out of here. Andy told you he's a calendarist. All right. Yeah. That's we've

00:36:17.220 --> 00:36:23.420
 established this. I mean, I mean, Andy, we cannot add any more candles to the Advent wreath. There

00:36:23.420 --> 00:36:28.380
 are five, five. There's the four on the outside and then the one big one in the middle. That's it.

00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:33.160
 What are you going to do? Seven? No way. Then it looks more like a menorah sign.

00:36:33.160 --> 00:36:34.280
 Yeah. A menorah.

00:36:37.340 --> 00:36:37.740
 Whoa.

00:36:38.740 --> 00:36:39.620
 Oh my.

00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:42.320
 Sorry for anyone asking it out there.

00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:46.060
 Talking about Cray here, evidently.

00:36:47.220 --> 00:36:52.480
 All right. I don't want to prolong this on, but I'm going to go ahead and click on it. Boom.

00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:00.020
 Facebook user who is not logged in or whatever. I love you.

00:37:00.020 --> 00:37:05.180
 I want to hear the story. I want to hear whoever that is. Hit me up on Facebook. Let's talk about

00:37:05.180 --> 00:37:12.040
 it. This is beautiful. This is crazy, right? We needed some, some laughter, some fun in this. So

00:37:12.040 --> 00:37:18.780
 I got to tell you, I'm, I'm literally, I'm pressing end here and I'm loading up my car. I'm going on

00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:24.960
 vacation for, for like four or five days, checking out, doing that. And so I'm really looking forward

00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:25.960
 to doing that.

00:37:26.600 --> 00:37:31.000
 Can I, can I give you one quick leftover life-changing dish?

00:37:31.420 --> 00:37:31.920
 Do it.

00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:36.760
 It'll take two seconds or less. So take your leftover Turkey, take some leftover stuffing,

00:37:37.120 --> 00:37:43.540
 a little bit of mashed potatoes, put it in a bowl, mix it all up, scoop that into a crescent roll,

00:37:44.860 --> 00:37:51.500
 roll, wrap that up, bake that bad boy for about 13, 14 minutes with gravy as a dipping sauce.

00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.680
 And you're talking a Friday. You're not going to regret.

00:37:56.620 --> 00:37:57.860
 Or not going to wake up.

00:37:57.860 --> 00:37:59.320
 Or not going to wake up. Yes.

00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:03.560
 Fantastic. Thank you for sharing that, Mark.

00:38:03.560 --> 00:38:03.920
 That's good.

00:38:04.780 --> 00:38:14.640
 There's a, yeah. Wow. So like, Ray, you had a friend who was like a hot, like urgent care,

00:38:15.140 --> 00:38:19.660
 you know, the, the ambulance guys, right? Do they get more calls than normal on Thanksgiving

00:38:19.660 --> 00:38:22.720
 for people eating like stuff like that? Like the stuff.

00:38:22.720 --> 00:38:25.840
 It's the deep fried Turkey. It's the deep fried Turkey.

00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.580
 The deep fried Turkey. It's not the heart attack. It's deep fried Turkey.

00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:35.480
 It is the deep fried Turkey. Yeah. Be warned people. It is delicious, but deadly, but go for it and film it.

00:38:36.380 --> 00:38:40.920
 Delicious, but deadly. The, the ultimate Thanksgiving feast. Well, well, well said there.

00:38:41.220 --> 00:38:44.300
 All right. Hey, uh, we're, we're going to wrap for this year. This, this is awesome.

00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:49.980
 Uh, you guys have a, have the three of you here. Thanks for jumping on this. Thanks for goofing off with us.

00:38:50.340 --> 00:38:57.920
 And, um, and, and, and I, and I pray and hope you guys have a great Thanksgiving and a, and a, and a great year for, for 2020.

00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:03.660
 Uh, for those of you watching online, uh, I think I know who, uh, the Facebook user was.

00:39:03.660 --> 00:39:12.360
 It was Daniel Heron, uh, maybe. And so may answer some things, you know, I mean, the Roblox world does live a little different than the rest of us.

00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:16.720
 So love, love them for that and, um, be in, and, uh, good stuff there.

00:39:17.100 --> 00:39:24.060
 So, uh, for Jeff, uh, for everybody else on the screen, uh, we are going to wrap here on beta.

00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:30.440
 Thanks for joining us. And, um, Hey, who knows? We'll probably do something crazy here, uh, in the next little bit again.

00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.440
 So thanks. Y'all have a good Thanksgiving and a great day. Bye.

