WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.140 Hey, all right. We are normally saying things like, welcome to the beta show. But hey, we 00:00:07.140 --> 00:00:12.580 are not doing the beta show yesterday. Today, the beta show was actually yesterday. So if 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:16.020 you want to go back and catch up with that, that's great. Hey, my name's Jeff with the 00:00:16.020 --> 00:00:21.440 Church Digital and Stadia Church Planting. I normally say things like, hey, let me introduce 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:27.040 Ray DeArmas here. So we can go ahead and say Ray DeArmas, digital pastor at Christ Fellowship 00:00:27.040 --> 00:00:34.380 Miami. We're goofing off today. We're going to have a little fun. Man, Christmas is hard. 00:00:34.460 --> 00:00:40.860 Work is hard. Offline, we were just debriefing about how church staff and pastors and volunteers, 00:00:41.160 --> 00:00:45.920 there's just so much energy that goes into Christmas and the season. It's like, hey, we 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:51.080 need to just breathe a little bit. So if you're interested in the beta show, thechurch.digital 00:00:51.080 --> 00:00:58.060 slash beta, go check that out. Have that conversation. Today, we want to goof off. And so we're doing 00:00:58.060 --> 00:01:05.440 Cray Christmas movie edition. So we are going to highlight here the top unofficial ranking, 00:01:05.600 --> 00:01:09.640 top three unofficial ranking of geek Christmas movies. We'll get more into the detail a little 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:16.880 bit. But I've got a, my college degree is actually radio, TV, film. I am a film critic. That's what 00:01:16.880 --> 00:01:22.700 the degree on my wall says. So I'm qualified to do this. And plus I'm wearing a Star Wars Christmas 00:01:22.700 --> 00:01:28.220 sweater, which gives me street cred towards the geek thing. Um, you know, Ray, you know, I'm right. 00:01:28.300 --> 00:01:32.800 What was your degree? You were, you went a different. Yeah, I was pre-med. I have a health sciences 00:01:32.800 --> 00:01:37.040 degree. And so I'm a geek at a different level. I'm Peter Parker. 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:41.640 He's smarter than all of us. Yes. Yeah. And so he's, at least he's got the geek cred because 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:48.040 he's wearing the sweater, but we brought in an actual film guy, like a director, like a director 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:53.240 of photography, high level, somebody who's smarter than us in the whole film thing here, uh, with 00:01:53.240 --> 00:01:58.740 Tyler Sansom. So, Hey, Tyler, thanks for jumping on, on the stream here and having some fun with 00:01:58.740 --> 00:02:03.620 us. Yeah. Thanks for having me. All right. So here's where we are. We are digging in here 00:02:03.620 --> 00:02:08.840 to the geek Christmas movies. And the highlight for us is we're going to throw out some Christmas 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:13.100 movies and just, you know, talk about what works, what doesn't work. We're going to weed some 00:02:13.100 --> 00:02:16.560 of these down. And at the end of this, we're going to come up with a top three ranking of 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:20.580 geek Christmas movies. So here you are, here are your Christmas movies. Nightmare Before 00:02:20.580 --> 00:02:27.660 Christmas, Gremlins, Batman Returns, Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Jingle All the Way, Home Alone, 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:33.540 Home Alone 2, Iron Man 3, Shazam, Edward Scissorhands, Lethal Weapon, 00:02:34.040 --> 00:02:39.240 National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, and Elf. So these are the movies that we're considering. 00:02:39.340 --> 00:02:42.800 And our goal here is to come up with the top, trying to figure out where my hand gets in the 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:48.100 camera, top three geek Christmas movies. So we'll just leave that kind of up and rolling here. 00:02:48.100 --> 00:02:52.760 But remember for us, we're trying to come up with the unofficial ranking of geek Christmas 00:02:52.760 --> 00:02:57.260 movies. By the way, play along with us at home. What, what films are we missing? If, if you're on 00:02:57.260 --> 00:03:01.200 Facebook, if you're on YouTube, go ahead and jump in the comment section, throw it in there. 00:03:01.700 --> 00:03:04.980 If, if, if I'll, I'll be on the lookout for it. I'll see it. We'll, we'll throw it in there. 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:09.720 You know, what are we using? StreamYard does a little thing where you got to like StreamYard 00:03:09.720 --> 00:03:13.860 slash Facebook, do that, go through all the approval stuff. And we would love to see some 00:03:13.860 --> 00:03:19.160 comments. What films are we missing here? If we're trying to look and consider like the geek 00:03:19.160 --> 00:03:24.700 Christmas movie list, by the way, I don't know that I consider Tyler a geek. Uh, he's kind 00:03:24.700 --> 00:03:30.600 of, he's got like that rugged Woody woodsman type of thing. Like, you know, I'm, I'm suddenly 00:03:30.600 --> 00:03:35.440 feeling very intimidated by, by this man. I'm glad he's on the other side of the country. 00:03:35.940 --> 00:03:41.560 The guy can sing so well. I mean, he's just multi-talented. Like I just can't put geek 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:43.400 anywhere on there, man. He's just multi-talented. 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:47.920 I'm telling you, he's, he is not showing it right now, but that's a, that's a good thing. 00:03:48.040 --> 00:03:52.920 I was a film major too. So I have that geek side. 00:03:54.300 --> 00:03:58.400 That's awesome. All right. So, so let's, let's keep rolling, uh, and, and throw us some, 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:03.220 oh, by the way, we've got one comment already. Let me come in. Oh yeah. Uh, oh, this is awesome. 00:04:03.220 --> 00:04:09.160 We're on another continent. Uh, Topei Lala, who's, uh, from Africa, uh, literally is joining 00:04:09.160 --> 00:04:14.240 us from the other side of the Atlantic, the Grinch. Uh, maybe. All right. So I, I feel you. We'll, 00:04:14.300 --> 00:04:17.880 we'll keep, keep those comments coming here. So here's what we're going to do. We've got 00:04:17.880 --> 00:04:22.440 this list of 13, 15 movies. We need to weed this down because we're trying to get to an official 00:04:22.440 --> 00:04:31.080 listing of three round one, scratch and sniff, which films on this list, just out right stink 00:04:31.080 --> 00:04:35.640 and need to be removed. What do we need to cut from this? Just round one. Each of us get 00:04:35.640 --> 00:04:43.820 one film to cut. So you tell me what film needs to get cut from this open range. What needs to go? 00:04:43.820 --> 00:04:50.420 Uh, let's go Ray. You want to go first? Yeah, sure. Um, you know, for me, as fun as the movie is 00:04:50.420 --> 00:04:55.520 Shazam doesn't really play into a whole lot of Christmas elements, you know, Shazam, it's a lot 00:04:55.520 --> 00:04:59.940 of fun. It's a cool comic book movie. It's great for kids. It's got really cool elements a lot and 00:04:59.940 --> 00:05:06.160 really fun stuff that the DC universe never gave us. So really, really cool stuff. But for me, it doesn't 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:10.840 really capitalize on Christmas in the way that some of the other films do, you know? And I'm sure that, 00:05:11.020 --> 00:05:15.240 that some of my favorites will get scratched off, but Shazam for me just kind of doesn't really 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:18.440 crack its way into this area just yet. So for me, Shazam's got to go. 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:25.600 Shazam is gone. I feel bad for that. That was like one of the, one of the decent DC movies. 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:29.640 Hopefully, hopefully the Snyder cut's going to change some things. We'll see. Time will tell. 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:34.260 Thank you, HBO Max, but we'll see where, where we end up. Tyler, what do you think and what 00:05:34.260 --> 00:05:39.300 needs to go on your side? It's got to be Die Hard 2. I, I, okay, I'm on the term. 00:05:39.300 --> 00:05:43.500 You scared me a little bit there. I'm on the term camp that Die Hard is a Christmas movie. 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:49.000 Eat it, Ed Stetzer. Eat it. We can't have two Die Hards on this list, though. 00:05:52.740 --> 00:05:56.020 Ed Stetzer is now watching Summer in Chicago. What'd I do, man? 00:05:56.280 --> 00:06:02.220 Why? He's shaking his fist at the screen. D.R. Max, I can't believe you. He's like Hans Gruber 00:06:02.220 --> 00:06:03.580 falling off the tower. No! 00:06:06.420 --> 00:06:12.920 Oh, why, why, why do we not, is, is, I, I'm not that familiar with, I'm, confession hour, 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:17.660 I'm sorry, here at, on the stream. I'm not that familiar with Die Hard 2. What, what are we, 00:06:18.260 --> 00:06:23.280 what's missing, like, what's, is, is that he's in Los Angeles? Is that the Los Angeles one 00:06:23.280 --> 00:06:26.880 where, where he's doing that? Like, I really cannot even picture Die Hard 2 right now. 00:06:27.080 --> 00:06:32.080 Yeah, it's, I think it's really similar to the rest of the series. Pretty, pretty similar plot 00:06:32.080 --> 00:06:39.220 line, so. That's awesome. Hey, so, so we are cutting, I just realized I made a mistake here 00:06:39.220 --> 00:06:46.540 on my side, which is awesome. So we're cutting Die Hard 2. We are cutting, what movie did you 00:06:46.540 --> 00:06:51.600 say, Ray? Shazam. Shazam. Shazam is gone. Man, some, some little kid somewhere is like 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:58.540 freaking out right now. I'm, Edward Scissorhands. I, it's not, is that, is that a deep cut? Somebody 00:06:58.540 --> 00:07:03.640 upset with me right now? Not necessarily, because, you know, as much as I love Edward Scissorhands, 00:07:03.760 --> 00:07:08.120 it's one of those things where it's a good movie, but why don't you go ahead and talk about why you'd 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:15.660 cut it from this particular list? I, I watched it the other day. You know, I, I just, I, I couldn't, 00:07:15.940 --> 00:07:21.060 I couldn't get myself back into it. You know, I, I saw it when I, when I was younger. I don't know, 00:07:21.060 --> 00:07:26.120 I don't know that it just, it didn't have the, the, the time for me. Um, you know, the, the romantic 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:30.580 elements were, were nice. My, my daughter came in and tried to watch it and I was like, ah, do I want 00:07:30.580 --> 00:07:35.840 her to kind of get, is this, is this a little too on, on the gothic side? And, and I was just like, 00:07:35.880 --> 00:07:41.600 I'm not for, for whatever reason, I just, I, I wasn't feeling it for that. And so kind of right off the 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:46.120 bat, I think what I would say is, uh, of the three movies that there are, of the movies that I would 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:51.080 take off there, the runner up would be home alone too. But I just want to give nod to Donald Trump 00:07:51.080 --> 00:07:55.540 that dude made it in a movie like, you know, president of the United States, not political, 00:07:55.660 --> 00:08:01.100 not going there, made it in a movie. Let's, let's give respect to that. So for, for, for this point, 00:08:01.100 --> 00:08:10.320 we are cutting, uh, Shazam. We are cutting Edward Scissorhands. Sorry, Ed. Uh, and, uh, we are 00:08:10.320 --> 00:08:19.180 cutting, what was the third one? Die Hard 2. Die Hard 2. Die Hard 2. Jeff, you said Ed, like you were 00:08:19.180 --> 00:08:25.580 like super tight with Edward Scissorhands. Like, sorry, Ed, cut you later, man. What's, what's funny 00:08:25.580 --> 00:08:29.520 is we're, we, we can parallel Ed Stetzer and Ed Scissorhands, the two Eds who have been mentioned 00:08:29.520 --> 00:08:34.440 in this movie, in this, in the stream. I'm not saying that they're in any way related or connected 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:39.040 in any fashion, but that, that just, it did happen. We're, we're talking, we're talking two Eds 00:08:39.040 --> 00:08:43.260 here and we're going to talk more about Stetzer. Speaking of that movie though, can we talk about 00:08:43.260 --> 00:08:47.900 how Winona Ryder looks exactly the same in that movie that she does now in Stranger Things? She 00:08:47.900 --> 00:08:53.520 does not age at all. Does not age. Yeah. No, whatever, whatever you're taking Winona, I need a piece 00:08:53.520 --> 00:08:58.860 of it, man, because I want to look the same in 20 years, just like you do. That's incredible. So good, 00:08:58.860 --> 00:09:04.960 good job. All right. So round two here, round one with Scratch and Sniff, which films on the list 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:09.100 just stink and need to be removed. Sorry, Edward Scissorhands. I feel like that was a little 00:09:09.100 --> 00:09:16.960 controversial play for at the beginning of this, uh, Mike, go on round two lost. We have to go back 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:23.860 to the island, which film on this list that still remains. Have you not watched in 2020? What film 00:09:23.860 --> 00:09:27.740 have you not watched? That's, that's currently scrolling through. Cause it's going to get cut 00:09:27.740 --> 00:09:33.820 right now. Okay. Can I be, I got to, this confession time. I am not a Christmas movie guy, 00:09:34.380 --> 00:09:40.720 but, um, I, I get to work on a, this is going to laugh at me. I get to work on a Hallmark movie 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:45.200 next year. So I thought it would be a good opportunity to learn more about Christmas movies 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:51.020 by doing this. So I haven't watched any of these this year. And we're going to go ahead and cut 00:09:51.020 --> 00:10:03.020 Tyler from the show. And he's back. Shocker. Oh my goodness. Wow. Man, this is, that was, 00:10:03.140 --> 00:10:07.040 that was crazier than finding out Darth was loose Luke's father, man. I didn't expect that. 00:10:07.260 --> 00:10:15.080 Oh man, we, we need to get you together. Who, who's the expert on, on, on Christmas movies on, 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:20.320 on, on, uh, on Hallmark movies. Who, who's, um, we'll do a zoom with my wife. I'm pretty sure 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:26.200 she's 95% of them. My wife was so excited. She's like, you're going to watch them with me now. This 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.980 is awesome. Just, just watch love. Actually, they're all kind of ripping off love. Actually, 00:10:31.180 --> 00:10:35.100 that's kind of what it is. So if you just watch love actually a few times and just pick one of 00:10:35.100 --> 00:10:38.920 those storylines, like eventually you'll find your way down a Hallmark Christmas channel movie, 00:10:38.920 --> 00:10:43.980 unlike the Kentucky fried chicken lifetime movie that apparently is coming in the world. 00:10:44.780 --> 00:10:50.140 Mario Lopez as that's right. Slater is now Colonel Sanders. 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:56.920 I don't get that. I forgive me. Once again, the whole, like that whole trailer was lost to me. 00:10:57.560 --> 00:11:05.100 Tyler, go hang out with, with, um, with Tom Pounder. Seriously. Like Tom Pounder is obsessed 00:11:05.100 --> 00:11:10.780 with, with, uh, with the Hallmark movies. Talks about them all the time. Live tweets them. 00:11:10.780 --> 00:11:15.480 You know, like it's, it's, it's kind of, um, just you get, you guys go be buddies, figure it out. Like 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:20.280 it, get your, you know, Tom, sometimes man, you need to like turn in the man card a little bit, 00:11:20.280 --> 00:11:26.080 just, but, uh, Tyler, you know, and don't dress. Well, actually dressing like that on set may help 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:31.680 you, you know, with, with, uh, you know, that aura you want to, want to present there. 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:37.840 Do it, man. That, that'll, that, that'll go far with the ladies. I'm just saying. So awesome. 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:47.160 Hey, and we're back. Okay. So let's dig in here. We have to go back to the Island. Okay. So you have 00:11:47.160 --> 00:11:52.620 I'm not seeing any movies. Um, randomly pick one, Tyler. Well, I've seen all of these. So, 00:11:52.620 --> 00:11:59.520 but in 2020, I haven't seen them. Um, so this is, I'm picking one to get rid of. Is that correct? 00:11:59.680 --> 00:12:05.860 Yes. Okay. I'm going to pick, man, I love Lethal Weapon. I don't think it's, 00:12:06.540 --> 00:12:09.260 I don't think it's of the tier of Christmas movies on this list. 00:12:10.160 --> 00:12:13.860 That's controversial right there. Lethal Weapon is not a Christmas movie. 00:12:14.020 --> 00:12:19.000 No, I think it is a Christmas movie, but I don't think that it's over. Like it's not elf, 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:25.700 which is overtly. Yeah. All right. I hear that. So lethal's going away. Uh, Ray, 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:30.140 what are you thinking? This breaks my heart because right now I'm going to tear into something a little 00:12:30.140 --> 00:12:35.880 bit personal. I'm going to get rid of Iron Man three. Okay. Now Iron Man three is actually like 00:12:35.880 --> 00:12:41.680 one of the weaker movies in the MCU. You know what I'm saying? But on top of that, like Christmas is 00:12:41.680 --> 00:12:46.440 kind of a running theme in here. You know what I'm saying? But if it were a little bit stronger and 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:51.800 not, uh, you know, maybe if the Mandarin actually meant something like we, we can argue, you know, 00:12:51.800 --> 00:12:56.120 for, for a good tear to tear on what might keep it back in. But for me, Iron Man three, 00:12:56.500 --> 00:12:57.220 bye-bye. Gotta go. 00:12:57.760 --> 00:13:03.140 It was, it was set here in Miami. They were out on, on the, on the, what was the hotel they were 00:13:03.140 --> 00:13:03.660 shooting at? 00:13:03.860 --> 00:13:09.500 Yeah. They shot at Versailles and Tony went in there with a BB gun, I guess. And, you know, 00:13:09.620 --> 00:13:14.900 uh, uh, uh, a rigged up toy, you know, version of his hand pulser and took down half of an army 00:13:14.900 --> 00:13:20.180 of trained soldiers, even though Tony at this point is just a rich guy with a gun, but, uh, he did it, 00:13:20.180 --> 00:13:25.060 you know? And so, uh, yeah, I had to really suspend a whole lot of stuff in order to roll with 00:13:25.060 --> 00:13:29.800 Iron Man three, which is saying a lot where a universe where there's a talking raccoon. So anyways, 00:13:30.140 --> 00:13:36.200 man, that's, that's the closest, the Marvel cinematic universe is going to come to a Christmas 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:41.700 movie. And you just so, so quickly cast it aside. And I want to call you out. I disagree that it's, 00:13:41.700 --> 00:13:47.320 it's one of the worst Marvel, uh, cinematic MCU movies. I, I, I would, I would call, I would call 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:53.980 pause on that or worse. Like Iron Man two would be, would be worse, but Iron Man three, I put it in 00:13:53.980 --> 00:13:59.940 top 10, something to that point. All right. So, so we, we, we've, we've cast aside lethal 00:13:59.940 --> 00:14:04.940 weapon. Um, you know, there are people out there who are freaking out just at the idea. We've cast 00:14:04.940 --> 00:14:10.940 aside Iron Man three, me sitting in this chair. I'm, I'm freaking out a little bit here. Um, 00:14:11.300 --> 00:14:17.960 for, for me, I, I, I, I don't even think I've ever seen jingle all the way. Uh, and, and so that, 00:14:18.060 --> 00:14:22.580 that was a last minute addition. I know that may cut, cut to the heart of some people. What was the 00:14:22.580 --> 00:14:28.240 name of the character that, that, uh, what was that turbo man that, that was the Schwarzenegger and, 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:33.740 uh, and who was the other guy? Sinbad. Yeah. Oh, that's a name we haven't heard of in a decade. 00:14:33.980 --> 00:14:40.320 That was the life of Sinbad, man. That was it right there. All right. So like, and they were 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:44.300 just trying to get like the Christmas toy or whatever and, and running all over the place. 00:14:44.860 --> 00:14:49.420 Yeah. And I feel like still to this day, thanks to the PlayStation five, that, that is every parent's 00:14:49.420 --> 00:14:53.760 story. Like jingle all the way is your movie. Like you're trying so hard, hoping and praying that 00:14:53.760 --> 00:14:57.460 your kid will be so loud by one president, you know, trying to make their Christmas and all that 00:14:57.460 --> 00:15:01.520 stuff. And it's hilarious what Schwarzenegger goes through, you know, this is post kindergarten 00:15:01.520 --> 00:15:06.000 cop, Schwarzenegger, uh, running around in a mall, trying to shop for an action figure and, 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:10.520 you know, uh, you know, spoilers, right? Like eventually he succeeds, but the bigger thing is 00:15:10.520 --> 00:15:13.480 that he wins over the heart of his son. Right, Tyler? I mean, anything else you want to add 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:18.440 there on jingle all the way, man, it just speaks to nostalgia for me. So that one, that one hurts, 00:15:18.800 --> 00:15:26.300 hurts pretty bad. It's gone though. I know. All right. So we've got to pay coming in from, 00:15:26.460 --> 00:15:31.160 from Africa. And I'm curious right now. I love this guy, by the way, he does like social media 00:15:31.160 --> 00:15:37.800 consulting in, um, I'm blanking the name of the cop. Is it Nigeria? It wasn't South Africa, 00:15:37.800 --> 00:15:43.940 somewhere over there, Kenya. Um, uh, so what are we saying? Definitely die hard. I'm curious here. 00:15:43.940 --> 00:15:48.700 Like Tope, are you, are you wanting to make it number one? Are you wanting to cut it? Because 00:15:48.700 --> 00:15:52.100 if you want to cut die hard, I got to tell you, there's, there's three people here that are ready 00:15:52.100 --> 00:15:56.320 to fly over to, to where you are in Africa and have words, man. Cause that, that's, that's, 00:15:56.580 --> 00:16:00.540 we're not cutting that. I'm not saying that's the winner. I'm right. I probably am. I probably 00:16:00.540 --> 00:16:06.680 am saying that, uh, he's from, from Nigeria. So give, give praise to Nigeria, but, um, 00:16:06.740 --> 00:16:11.080 yeah, love, uh, love him getting connected in here. So let's, let's head over to round three 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:15.600 here. My mouse is going on. One of my, uh, church anywhere team members just texted me and said, 00:16:15.680 --> 00:16:20.640 Sinbad is in the hospital. Cause he got like sick a month ago. So I think we might've offended some 00:16:20.640 --> 00:16:26.160 ultra Sinbad fan just now. Why? A shout out to Sinbad, man. We love you. We're bringing your movie up 00:16:26.160 --> 00:16:29.880 cause we think your movie's great. And so Sinbad, wherever you are, please get better, man, 00:16:30.140 --> 00:16:35.140 because you're one of my favorite characters on a different world. Love jingle all the way. Loved so much of 00:16:35.140 --> 00:16:39.640 your movies, man. Please come back strong. Also, I would have lost a large sum of money if I would 00:16:39.640 --> 00:16:45.480 have bet, uh, that in 2020, I wouldn't get one single text about Sinbad. Also true. Also true. 00:16:46.780 --> 00:16:52.060 Fair enough. All right. Tope wants to cut Die Hard out. So, Hey, you know, we're, we're gonna, 00:16:52.060 --> 00:16:57.000 we're gonna, we're gonna tune out here. We are, we're done. Tope, I love you as a friend, 00:16:57.140 --> 00:17:01.480 but, uh, I think we're, I think we're done. Die Hard stays. Cool. Yeah. We're, we're, 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:05.440 we're gonna move on here. So we're, we're got round two. We've weeded it out. The films that 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:11.880 are still left here, Nightmare Before Christmas, Gremlins, Batman Returns, Die Hard, Home Alone, 00:17:12.420 --> 00:17:19.380 Home Alone 2, uh, Nightmare Before, uh, Christmas, or I'm sorry, National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, 00:17:19.380 --> 00:17:24.360 and Elf. I got my own, like, abbreviations kind of screwed up there. All right, here we go. Round 00:17:24.360 --> 00:17:29.960 three. This is it. Uh, pick your cotton-headed ninny muggin. So we're, we're pulling something, 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:38.780 uh, from Elf here with that. State your case for the best geek film. Um, you know, I, I think I'm 00:17:38.780 --> 00:17:43.680 the judge. We, maybe we'll take some insight from the people who are in, in the audience listening in 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:48.040 if, if they want to. But at the end of the day, we got to pick here. We, we got to state your case 00:17:48.040 --> 00:17:54.900 for what the best film is. So, uh, Ray, you want to, you want to go first? The best geek Christmas 00:17:54.900 --> 00:18:01.580 film still listing right here. This is, this is going to be a tough one because, um, because of 00:18:01.580 --> 00:18:06.220 what's left over, right? So I'm going to make a case for some of the different ones. Batman Returns, 00:18:06.220 --> 00:18:10.900 I still actually watch as like part of a Christmas tradition every year. Batman Returns is a geek 00:18:10.900 --> 00:18:15.660 movie. It's very much a geek movie. It was made by Tim Burton, who also made Nightmare Before Christmas. 00:18:15.660 --> 00:18:20.520 And if there's anybody who knows how to make like a great Gothic Christmas movie, it is Tim Burton. 00:18:20.520 --> 00:18:25.480 He understands the differences between light and dark and how the, you know, the pop of color can 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:29.800 really provide like a crazy background for mayhem to occur. Right. Cause that's kind of what happens 00:18:29.800 --> 00:18:35.540 in Nightmare Before Christmas as well. Uh, that being said, um, I just really don't think you get 00:18:35.540 --> 00:18:42.080 more geek cred than calling Die Hard a Christmas movie. And so, you know, like it's one of those 00:18:42.080 --> 00:18:46.340 things where Die Hard as a geek Christmas film has kind of come full circle where everybody, 00:18:46.560 --> 00:18:51.080 especially geeks are defending it as a Christmas movie. So I got to roll Die Hard as the geek 00:18:51.080 --> 00:18:55.360 Christmas movie, despite the fact that there's so many particular ones that I look at and I'm like, 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:59.480 but you, you are a strong contender as a geek Christmas film. So there you go. 00:19:00.420 --> 00:19:04.640 Yeah. I mean, that was the whole thing with, with Stetzer, where, where he plays every year 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:09.340 this thing that Die Hard's not a Christmas movie, which alienates and upsets so many of, of his 00:19:09.340 --> 00:19:14.020 followers on Twitter to the point of like, they've, they've had like conversations and votes where, 00:19:14.100 --> 00:19:19.240 where thousands of people are engaging. Thousands of Christians are following, follow Ed on Twitter 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:24.320 are engaging regularly, arguing about whether Die Hard's a Christmas movie. I love it. I, 00:19:24.420 --> 00:19:27.800 you know, and even like, he's like, this is the final vote. We're going to accept it. And, 00:19:27.800 --> 00:19:30.480 and, and Die Hard wins, of course, because everybody's like, it's a Christmas movie, 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:37.640 but then it's like, no, I refuse it. So thank you Ed Stetzer for that. Hey, let's, let's take a second 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:41.920 cut. State your case for another movie. Cause, cause I think we're all going to, at least I would say 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:48.120 Die Hard too. So give me another cut. Well, I mean, I, I guess I'll roll with, I'll roll with 00:19:48.120 --> 00:19:51.660 Batman Returns then. Batman Returns, you know, once again, I mean, I already stated, 00:19:51.800 --> 00:19:55.300 you know, just kind of what's going on there. It's a fun superhero movie, you know, especially 00:19:55.300 --> 00:19:58.680 in a time you are, when it comes, they weren't trying to build an extended universe. They weren't 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:02.720 trying to do any of that back then. They were taking a character that Michael Keaton established, 00:20:02.800 --> 00:20:07.560 that Tim Burton had established back off of, you know, some really cool stuff back in the eighties. 00:20:07.560 --> 00:20:11.580 They brought Batman into the nineties. They built this great, great movie takes place at 00:20:11.580 --> 00:20:15.860 Christmas time. Christmas is a big part of the movie. I mean, it's a huge part of the movie. 00:20:16.020 --> 00:20:21.920 And then you've got some crazy villains, not just in Catwoman and also in, in the penguin, 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:28.160 but you've also got Max, uh, uh, Max Shrek. I think his name is, uh, I'm pretty sure that's his 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:33.760 name. Who's almost like Scrooge in the movie, you know? And so it's pretty nuts. Like how they tie 00:20:33.760 --> 00:20:37.820 like all these different elements together and create this wonderful geek Christmas movie, 00:20:37.820 --> 00:20:42.660 even though it was released in the summer, it was released in the summer, in the nineties, 00:20:42.660 --> 00:20:46.840 and it still carried a Christmas theme and strong through all the way through. So there you go. 00:20:46.900 --> 00:20:47.400 That's my vote. 00:20:49.040 --> 00:20:53.360 Max Shrek was played by, uh, Christopher Walken. Am I, am I remembering that right? 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:54.460 Oh my gosh. 00:20:55.400 --> 00:21:01.220 I love that movie. You know, I was, I was big in the, in the, in the Batman. Like as I was a kid, 00:21:01.220 --> 00:21:05.540 I think it was in like fifth or sixth grade when the first one came out. Uh, man, we don't, 00:21:05.620 --> 00:21:08.860 who, who directed that? That was the same guy as Tim Burton. 00:21:09.300 --> 00:21:13.600 We don't, we need to hear more from Tim Burton. We need more Tim Burton in our, in our lives. 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:18.240 Sorry for cutting, you know, the other Tim Burton movie. I'm sorry, but anyway. All right. So, 00:21:18.320 --> 00:21:22.760 so we've got Die Hard, we've got Batman Returns. Uh, what, what are you thinking, Tyler? 00:21:23.760 --> 00:21:30.720 I think Ray's case for Die Hard for being the most geek one and the best geek one definitely fits. 00:21:31.260 --> 00:21:38.700 Um, I look at National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation as something that's going to end up being like Ferris Bueller. 00:21:39.140 --> 00:21:46.200 Um, it's got that cult following to it. Uh, so especially in the, uh, like film geek world. 00:21:46.740 --> 00:21:49.620 Uh, so I would probably pick National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:54.540 And the fact that that humor still stands up to today's style of humor, even though it was so many 00:21:54.540 --> 00:21:58.520 years ago, um, it's, it's pretty incredible. Chevy Chase is the bomb. 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:03.140 Yeah. Is that the funniest Christmas movie that we have? Cause I think it's pretty dang close. 00:22:03.300 --> 00:22:04.400 Yeah. It's gotta be up there. 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:11.040 Elf number two. That's, that's hard right there, man. One, two punch there on, on Elf. 00:22:11.420 --> 00:22:15.760 Yeah, it is tough. Cause every time I see a camper parked out in front of somebody's house, 00:22:15.760 --> 00:22:19.800 I think of National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. Like that's like that happened during COVID. 00:22:19.980 --> 00:22:23.380 Somebody's family came down and parked their camper in somebody's front yard. And that, 00:22:23.380 --> 00:22:26.800 that was instantly what I told my wife. I'm like, uncle Frank came to visit. Like, here we go. 00:22:27.420 --> 00:22:32.240 So I think Elf is hilarious. National Lampoon's, I think is a little bit more, um, 00:22:32.580 --> 00:22:37.540 well thought out humor. So you, you have to really pay attention for some of the subtle humor in it. 00:22:37.540 --> 00:22:42.080 Whereas Elf is more overtly, uh, Will Ferrell style comedy. Both are hilarious, 00:22:42.080 --> 00:22:45.480 but I would pick now, uh, pick Christmas Vacation. 00:22:45.980 --> 00:22:49.100 Christmas Vacation. Well said. So my next door neighbor, you know, I've, 00:22:49.100 --> 00:22:53.340 I've got a bunch of these like blow up things in the front yard for Christmas and Star Wars 00:22:53.340 --> 00:22:58.100 themes and some other, uh, kind of like a polar bear with penguins and random stuff for the kids. 00:22:58.260 --> 00:23:03.340 My neighbor, uh, just got kind of got his yard set up. It's all National Lampoon stuff. 00:23:03.600 --> 00:23:05.900 It's got like Chevy Chase cutting down a tree. 00:23:06.100 --> 00:23:11.900 He's literally got like a six foot tall blow up camper that looks like the other camper in his 00:23:11.900 --> 00:23:16.700 front yard. And I'm like, man, I love this. This is, this is incredible. This is so good. 00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:20.860 All right. So we got Die Hard, Batman Returns, National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. 00:23:21.180 --> 00:23:24.480 I'm going to throw Gremlins. By the way, I watched National Lampoon's literally last night. 00:23:24.800 --> 00:23:29.760 So I would put that on the list. I would put Die Hard on the list. Um, Batman Returns, 00:23:29.820 --> 00:23:34.540 all these are so good. It's two of the movies that I fall back on a regular basis. Um, Home Alone. 00:23:34.540 --> 00:23:39.980 Uh, my kids are addicted to it. Uh, except for the Home Alone 4, the one where they got rid of the 00:23:39.980 --> 00:23:43.700 Macaulay cock with the other kid. It's middle of like some spy secret thing. I don't even know what 00:23:43.700 --> 00:23:48.940 that's about. Uh, so Home Alone is, uh, is, is one that I would say, and, and just to be different, 00:23:48.940 --> 00:23:54.500 like I, I really enjoy Gremlins, uh, and, and, and what that, that looks like. That's another one of 00:23:54.500 --> 00:23:59.540 those that it's like, it's probably not a Christmas movie, but you know, dang it. There's a Gremlin 00:23:59.540 --> 00:24:05.720 running around causing chaos, swearing a Santa's hat. So why, why should we not call it that? So 00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:10.740 here is our, our final, let's call them final five, right? If I'm counting correctly. 00:24:12.360 --> 00:24:18.200 Die Hard, Batman Returns, National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, Home Alone, and evidently I 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:24.540 can't spell Gremlins. That's awesome. Gremlins. Gremlins. Uh, so there's an N in there, I think, 00:24:24.580 --> 00:24:29.160 right? Yeah. So somewhere Gremlin, somewhere in there, there's a Gremlins. Still not spelled 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:34.900 right, but we can pretend and move on because I'm lazy. Just don't get water on me. Um, let's, 00:24:34.900 --> 00:24:42.740 let's rank them right here. What, what, what are we looking at? Um, who, how do I do this? 00:24:43.080 --> 00:24:48.700 What, what's, um, what, what's, what's our case for number one? Well, I guess, I guess we've all 00:24:48.700 --> 00:24:53.480 kind of rolled Die Hard as number one, right? Die Hard, are we going to make it? Die Hard number 00:24:53.480 --> 00:25:00.800 one, who comes in number two? Batman Returns? Yeah. I actually roll, I actually roll Lampoon's 00:25:00.800 --> 00:25:05.760 there. I'm, I'm actually going to roll National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation there. Uh, just cause, 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:11.220 you know, uh, the cult classic thing really is a big deal. And, and kind of like what Tyler said, 00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:14.820 you know, I thought it was great that reference to Ferris Bueller, because it's true. It's one of 00:25:14.820 --> 00:25:19.600 those things where it's almost like a time capsule in and of itself, uh, of yester, you're, you know, 00:25:19.620 --> 00:25:24.280 and I hope that we, you know, continue to make silly movies just kind of moving forward. Like, 00:25:24.360 --> 00:25:28.940 like we threw elf out there as like a possibility, like as a contender, but it also goes to show you 00:25:28.940 --> 00:25:34.120 like how often we don't necessarily mix silly with Christmas. If the last movie that we could come up 00:25:34.120 --> 00:25:39.360 with is, you know, roughly 15 years ago. And so that, that kind of stinks as far as, 00:25:39.360 --> 00:25:43.460 oh man, when was the last time you saw a really funny Christmas movie? About 15 years ago. And 00:25:43.460 --> 00:25:44.500 we've been rolling with it since. 00:25:47.080 --> 00:25:53.460 So good. Uh, by the way, Tope comes in, he's for winning credit. Gremlins is superb. All right. So 00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:58.220 Tope, you're allowed back in the conversation. Uh, I, I don't want to, I don't, you're, you know, 00:25:58.280 --> 00:26:02.880 I don't, I don't, you're, you're, you're a good guy. You got some respect back here. Uh, someone else, 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:08.020 uh, have not, has not done the whole, you know, whatever. Christmas vacation is truly number 00:26:08.020 --> 00:26:13.940 three. That's, that's, that's interesting. Then they said two right after. Yeah. Tell me what's 00:26:13.940 --> 00:26:18.480 two. Tell me what's two. We'd love to hear, uh, what, what two is there. We'll keep eyes on that. 00:26:18.980 --> 00:26:23.200 Um, so what, what do we, what, what, what's, what's next on this list? 00:26:25.300 --> 00:26:28.720 We put Batman returns before, uh, before home alone. 00:26:29.340 --> 00:26:30.160 Ooh, I don't know. 00:26:30.620 --> 00:26:34.720 All right. So like, and this is where it gets differentiated between like all time Christmas 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:39.360 movies and geek Christmas, right? Because for me, if it's geek Christmas strictly, I would roll 00:26:39.360 --> 00:26:44.640 Batman returns, you know, um, all time Christmas movies like home alone is, is up there in, 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:48.360 in my top three, you know, as far as that's concerned. And so that's where, if we're talking 00:26:48.360 --> 00:26:53.080 just strictly for geeks and we're not talking about, oh man, uh, just Christmas. Yes. I would 00:26:53.080 --> 00:26:58.840 roll Batman returns three, uh, home alone, probably a close fourth for me. And then gremlins. That's, 00:26:58.900 --> 00:27:02.860 that's what I'm thinking. Not because I don't like gremlins. Gremlins is great. Uh, gremlins is still 00:27:02.860 --> 00:27:07.580 a movie that gets referenced in, in geek lore. And, and once again, you talk about a time capsule and also 00:27:07.580 --> 00:27:12.560 a niche cult following, man, try finding somebody who's like a gremlins family. Like it's, it's, 00:27:12.560 --> 00:27:19.080 it's a lot harder than you think. Yeah, I'm still upset. Iron Man three got cut out, right? That's 00:27:19.080 --> 00:27:25.820 that, that, that was, was a little too deep for me. So, uh, so we, we, uh, Tyler, what do you think? 00:27:25.860 --> 00:27:29.480 Are we saying, we saying Batman, are you going to sleep tonight? Okay. Knowing that we got Batman 00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:36.980 number three. Yeah. I love Batman. Tim Burton. Let's do it. Um, and then, uh, so here's, 00:27:37.040 --> 00:27:40.500 here's where we are. Uh, and let me finish one thing here. So we've got, 00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:49.920 oh, we've got, I can't talk and type at the same time. We've got, I'll introduce some filler 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:54.500 language. Hey guys, don't forget to get involved with Stadia. Let me tell you why. Stadia is amazing. 00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:59.600 We're doing digital church all over the place. We've got the church digital podcast. We got blog posts. 00:27:59.600 --> 00:28:04.720 So check out the church. Digital immediately as Jeff finishes up this list back to you. 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:10.080 That's awesome. That was so good. So we've got diehard diehard unofficially ranked number one, 00:28:10.080 --> 00:28:17.540 uh, national lampoons, Christmas vacation, Batman returns, officially ranked number three and for 00:28:17.540 --> 00:28:24.400 honorable mention star Wars holiday. Yeah. That was the one that didn't get cut or did nothing ever 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:29.320 happen to it. We all just didn't acknowledge its existence. I'm not going to let anybody talk bad 00:28:29.320 --> 00:28:32.980 about that one. I'm going to keep it over here on the side. Kind of, kind of just babysit it. Make 00:28:32.980 --> 00:28:38.540 sure, you know, Topé said he hasn't seen national lampoons Christmas vacation. So is he back out of 00:28:38.540 --> 00:28:44.560 the conversation now? Oh, wow. Topé. No, we can't cancel Topé in 2020. We'll keep him in the 00:28:44.560 --> 00:28:50.720 conversation. Uh, but, uh, Jeff, I I'm, I'm curious. So what are your thoughts on the new Lego 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:57.360 star Wars holiday special that's on Disney plus? Yeah. I mean, I was curious, Tom will come to you in a 00:28:57.360 --> 00:29:03.360 second. I was curious if it was Canon. Uh, and, and sorry, I'm a geek. I really liked it, but now we 00:29:03.360 --> 00:29:09.140 like, you know, three of the same character running around and it just, it was like, it was really, 00:29:09.140 --> 00:29:16.160 um, all the time travel and the hopping around. I love the story. I, you know, so often they try to 00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:21.340 make, uh, you know, the Disney stuff Canon and, and, and it really tied close to it. They even had 00:29:21.340 --> 00:29:25.500 like the Ray lightsaber. I laughed. I thought it was funny. The kids, the kids were engaged in it. 00:29:26.080 --> 00:29:30.780 Um, you know, it's, it's funny. I, I joke the original star Wars holiday special. I do watch it 00:29:30.780 --> 00:29:34.960 every year at some point there's late at night where I'm like, Hey, I just need to like go to sleep. 00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:38.860 I can't sleep. I'm wide awake. Let me watch this thing. And it knocks me out in like 15 minutes, 00:29:38.860 --> 00:29:45.440 but at least I get like a cool Boba Fett cartoon or, or to watch some weird, try to, uh, not Wookiee 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:50.360 thing talk to each other. And, and so, yeah, like it's, it's, it's closer to them. Oh, by the way, 00:29:50.420 --> 00:29:55.540 you know, like some people have the, uh, uh, the videos where they don't have a fireplace where they 00:29:55.540 --> 00:30:01.100 put like the fireplace on the TV. Well, down here in my, in Miami, we, nobody has fireplaces. I don't, 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:06.080 you know, at least I don't have a fireplace. And so instead of like that, uh, video where I put up 00:30:06.080 --> 00:30:13.860 of a typical fireplace, uh, I do show Darth Vader burning at the end of, um, return of the Jedi 00:30:13.860 --> 00:30:21.120 where literally people have created like six, 10 hours of video loop of Darth Vader burning on, 00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:27.120 on the fire log, Google it, put it on YouTube. I promise you it's worth it. It's just mind numbing 00:30:27.120 --> 00:30:32.420 checkout. So good. We've opened Christmas gifts to Darth Vader burning before. I guess what I just 00:30:32.420 --> 00:30:36.600 want to point out the irony in this broadcast that you were afraid of your daughter walking in on 00:30:36.600 --> 00:30:41.580 Edward's scissor hands. And yet you keep Darth Vader burning on loop throughout the opening of 00:30:41.580 --> 00:30:52.280 Yeah, there, there may be some things there, but we're going to ignore my issue. So let's talk about 00:30:52.280 --> 00:30:58.600 other people's issues. Good segue to Tom Pounder. Tom, get with Tyler. He needs to understand the 00:30:58.600 --> 00:31:05.980 whole hallmark Christmas special thing. And so you two connect and brain dump on him. So when he goes 00:31:05.980 --> 00:31:12.320 and starts making hallmark movies, you know, he understands the greatness of whatever that is. 00:31:12.320 --> 00:31:17.220 And I've got no clue on it. So, Hey, we're, we're going to wrap. This has been awesome. 00:31:17.660 --> 00:31:21.120 Did anybody, was there ever any doubt that it was going to be diehard? 00:31:21.840 --> 00:31:27.400 I know, no, no, I think, I think we would have manipulated the situation to make it diehard. 00:31:28.060 --> 00:31:34.920 So congratulations diehard. Somebody tag Ed Stetzer on Twitter, Twitter for this entire video so he can 00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:39.480 watch. Yeah. Right. But so that he can watch 30 minutes of us figuring out that diehard is in fact 00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:45.960 a great Christmas movie. And so we're, we're, we're, we're going to wrap. We're going to be goofing 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:50.240 off some more next week. Tom Pounder, I think is actually joining us. Hopefully that's still on 00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:56.780 the schedule, but we'll get there next week for, for, for Ray, for Tyler. This is Jeff with church 00:31:56.780 --> 00:32:02.340 digital stadia church planning. Thanks for goofing off with us and y'all have a good day. Bye-bye. 00:32:02.840 --> 00:32:03.140 See ya.