WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.800 All right. Hey, we are live with the beta show here. I'm Jeff with the Church Digital. 00:00:06.220 --> 00:00:11.180 Once again, it's great to have you here. We got a special show, delayed show, special time, 00:00:11.340 --> 00:00:17.620 awesome topic set up for you today. We're going to introduce the people coming up here in a little 00:00:17.620 --> 00:00:22.340 bit. We're going to talk a little crazy here. Hey, with the beta show, as a general rule, 00:00:22.740 --> 00:00:26.380 we always talk, not always, we never talk about online ministry. It seems as the show we're 00:00:26.380 --> 00:00:31.900 always changing. If you've got online ministry questions, text them, 484-324-8724. We'll answer 00:00:31.900 --> 00:00:37.980 them in a future show. I, Jeff the Church Digital, Ray the Armist, of course, here, we're always open 00:00:37.980 --> 00:00:44.060 to helping you guys digitally. With that, Stadia is launching a series of digital learning communities. 00:00:44.660 --> 00:00:49.300 If your church is interested in learning how to thrive, grow, and multiply in that digital space, 00:00:49.400 --> 00:00:54.900 physical and digital, hit us up at stadiacurchplanning.org slash digital and find more out 00:00:54.900 --> 00:00:59.680 about that now. Hey, so let's get into it. We're going to talk crazy. Every once in a while, 00:00:59.740 --> 00:01:03.980 we pull a Cray show out of the beta show here. This is going to be one of those weeks where we are 00:01:03.980 --> 00:01:11.620 going to talk Cray. We are focusing on revisiting DC Talk's Jesus Freak. I'm not saying officially 00:01:11.620 --> 00:01:17.600 that Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, The Wild Stallions, the realization of that in real life 00:01:17.600 --> 00:01:22.900 is in fact Jesus Freak by DC Talk. We can maybe prove that at a later point, but there is so much 00:01:22.900 --> 00:01:27.960 great in this album that is celebrating, and I celebrated its 25th anniversary just recently. 00:01:27.960 --> 00:01:31.700 So we're bringing in Radio Armist, of course, Digital Pastor, Christ Fellowship Miami, 00:01:32.180 --> 00:01:35.200 and to have being part of this conversation, we're bringing in special guest here, 00:01:35.780 --> 00:01:41.820 Eridis. You can check out his social handle there. Enter this conversation because we, 00:01:42.360 --> 00:01:48.280 the rock legend himself, it is an honor and it's a privilege. You have no idea how honored you are, 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:54.260 as the numbers decrease, just as I'm saying that towards Eridis. So hey, we're going to talk about 00:01:54.260 --> 00:01:58.380 Jesus Freak right here. We want to drop your questions in chat. We're going to be engaging, 00:01:58.520 --> 00:02:04.540 laughing, talking about, honestly, how relevant this album is maybe 25 years later compared to when 00:02:04.540 --> 00:02:11.840 it came out way back. I want to say it was like November 1995. So Ray, just even to hand it over to 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:16.000 you, because this was Ray's brainchild. He came up with this idea a couple of weeks ago and I'm like, 00:02:16.200 --> 00:02:21.640 holy cow, that is incredible. We definitely got to explore that. So Ray, take it over. Tell us 00:02:21.640 --> 00:02:25.620 the greatness of DC Talks Jesus Freak. 00:02:25.900 --> 00:02:31.520 So in the days of yore of 1995, you know, when we watched things like Doug Funny and Skeeter, 00:02:31.760 --> 00:02:39.100 when all that went on, I was driving the other day with my daughter in the backseat and I wasn't 00:02:39.100 --> 00:02:43.100 listening to this on CD. Instead, it was Apple Music just playing on shuffle random through all 00:02:43.100 --> 00:02:47.240 the songs that I've got in different playlists. And all of a sudden, In the Light comes on track 10 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:51.780 from DC Talks Jesus Freak. And I'm just struck by it. And I'm remembering the entire album 00:02:51.780 --> 00:02:55.540 as the lyrics wash over me. And I'm the only person really paying attention. My daughter's 00:02:55.540 --> 00:03:00.360 totally checked out. And I'm just going track by track. And I'm like, dang, in my mind, I'm like, 00:03:00.460 --> 00:03:04.820 wow, this album, it's almost like a time capsule that if we opened it today, it would almost be 00:03:04.820 --> 00:03:09.760 like a letter to us because so many different things were covered in that album. So I'm texting 00:03:09.760 --> 00:03:15.880 Erdis and Jeff that day. I'm like, hey, because we're all like super fans of DC Talk, but also super 00:03:15.880 --> 00:03:21.300 fans of the album in general, everything from colored people, a song talking about race. You know, 00:03:21.300 --> 00:03:27.020 when you've got a group that's basically two white guys and a black guy that are mixing together and 00:03:27.020 --> 00:03:32.800 the white guy is the rapper. And, you know, and it's just kind of crazy. It's not necessarily what 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:37.220 you would expect, especially in the 90s, as far as how a lot of this came about. And so they were 00:03:37.220 --> 00:03:41.320 nice enough to say, man, we want to discuss this years later, because this album meant a whole lot 00:03:41.320 --> 00:03:47.260 to us. And so thank you guys for doing this. First question for all of us, and anybody can jump in. 00:03:47.660 --> 00:03:50.280 How old were you when you heard this album? 00:03:52.380 --> 00:03:53.680 Go ahead, Jeff. 00:03:54.660 --> 00:04:03.820 Yeah. So I was a college freshman. I was in Fort Worth, Texas. I was flying home the day that the 00:04:03.820 --> 00:04:10.300 album came out for Thanksgiving break. And so the Mardell, I just heard the other day, this Mardell 00:04:10.300 --> 00:04:15.100 store is still open. The brick and mortar store, it's a Christian bookstore in kind of the Texas 00:04:15.100 --> 00:04:21.820 area, is still open. They started selling the album at like 5 a.m. Open only, special thing, 00:04:22.200 --> 00:04:27.280 just in honor of this album release. And so my college roommate and I, literally as we were driving 00:04:27.280 --> 00:04:33.820 to the airport, stopped in 5 a.m., bought the album, jammed out all the way down I-20, heading 00:04:33.820 --> 00:04:40.780 towards the DFW airport. Incredible, incredible experience. Loved every second of it. How about 00:04:40.780 --> 00:04:41.220 you, H? 00:04:41.700 --> 00:04:49.380 I was a teenager, not in college, a young teenager in the mid-90s. Funny story is this. I was coming 00:04:49.380 --> 00:04:54.700 back from Brazil with my family. It's a strong, man. It's funny, when you brought this up, Ray, 00:04:54.800 --> 00:05:00.000 like this album has so many milestones for me in my life that it's a little surreal. Not only is the 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:05.460 album incredible on its own, like if I've never, you know, interacted with it, but came back from 00:05:05.460 --> 00:05:12.080 Brazil 1997, two years after the album release, okay? I was in Brazil. This is pre-globalization, 00:05:12.260 --> 00:05:17.820 pre-social media days, pre-remember, Brazil was still listening to 1980s Bon Jovi and watching like 00:05:17.820 --> 00:05:20.540 Toy Story 1 or whatever. Delay. 00:05:20.540 --> 00:05:21.380 Living on a prayer. 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:28.760 Exactly, 100%. Yeah. But, so I was delayed, but when we landed, I have a strong memory of this. We 00:05:28.760 --> 00:05:32.820 landed back in Miami International Airport. We came back with my family from Brazil. We had done a few 00:05:32.820 --> 00:05:37.760 years there. We had gone back and forth. We land on a rainy night. We're in a rented van. 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:46.020 Never forget, turn on 89.7 WMCU. Look at this. Remember, okay? And it was this show, which I don't even 00:05:46.020 --> 00:05:50.960 think it's all, if it exists, it maybe exists, but remember 20, the Countdown magazine. 00:05:51.740 --> 00:05:57.720 Yes. Dude, two years later, In The Light was still on the chart. 00:05:58.460 --> 00:05:58.520 Wow. 00:05:58.520 --> 00:06:02.780 And I remember a rainy night. We're going home. I'm a teenager listening. That's the first time I heard 00:06:02.780 --> 00:06:08.280 the name DC talk. I heard that song. It was fresh. It was like an uplifting acoustic, you know. 00:06:09.340 --> 00:06:14.300 Fast forward two, three weeks later, I ended up at family Christian bookstores. You know, there it is 00:06:14.300 --> 00:06:19.900 displayed, high and mighty, you know what I'm saying? Picked up the CD. But that was it. That was my first 00:06:19.900 --> 00:06:26.720 experience. In Brazil, honestly, DC talk had not been a thing heard of. We were, I was still on Petra 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:37.380 and Guardian and Bride. Those were like the three rock bands and that we listened to in the 90s in Brazil, which in the U.S. had already grunge, had already kind of taken over. 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:46.600 So you were that metal head back in Brazil. Some, some Bride, some Guardian. Well, Petra, you know, a little on the softer side with John Schlitt, but well. 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:49.540 The striper was sissy for me. That was too weak. I was like, no. 00:06:51.220 --> 00:06:52.300 To hell with the devil. 00:06:52.660 --> 00:06:55.120 The devil is from Brazil. You know what I'm saying? So you got to remember. 00:06:59.520 --> 00:07:13.060 What's amazing to me is there, there are people that still have like these albums, like in their car stereo. I mean, I was literally sent photos as, as we were talking about this, of people who like have the album in, in the CD player. 00:07:13.280 --> 00:07:17.280 Like this, this still has, has resonated even 25 years later. Go ahead, right? 00:07:18.060 --> 00:07:28.380 Yeah, that's powerful because still to this day, you know, Eric has talked about how two years later, this thing was still on the shelf at a Christian bookstore, like promoted big and awesome. 00:07:28.520 --> 00:07:36.820 That doesn't, that doesn't happen anymore. Like an album existing for two years and still being at the forefront, even in Christian music. Right. 00:07:36.820 --> 00:07:49.240 So like Hillsong comes out with a new album every six months between like the different groups that they have. And there's something else to push towards the forefront. We've got Bethel. We've got elevation. There's a whole lot of stuff that, you know, churches can't even catch up anymore. 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:55.600 There's so much new Christian music in terms of what they're doing on Sunday. But when you're talking about CCM being, being relevant for two years. 00:07:55.600 --> 00:08:02.380 And even then another point that Aaron has made that I found was interesting by the time you got to DC talk, you saw them as a rock band. 00:08:02.380 --> 00:08:07.140 When I introduced them, they were a hip hop group, man. 00:08:07.880 --> 00:08:12.940 That's right. Cause you, you, you saw the, you probably caught the first album. New thing or new thing. 00:08:13.400 --> 00:08:13.580 Yeah. 00:08:13.660 --> 00:08:22.540 Free at last thing. One of my first CDs and then free at last. And then this thing changed the game. It was completely unexpected. It was completely in a different vein. 00:08:22.540 --> 00:08:30.540 You couldn't tell that they were going this direction. This wasn't like an evolution that happened over time. This thing just kind of happened in the middle of nowhere. 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:45.340 And so now as we talk about impact, like that, that's where this whole thing in terms of impact was just way different, especially for a kid who got this thing in eighth grade, you know, it's kind of heading into that stage of life where it's like, man, I'm unsure about my faith. 00:08:45.340 --> 00:08:58.460 I'm unsure about what I see from people in terms of their faith. And this album hits hard and it's got elements of doubt. It's got elements of watching people stumble, watching people who are supposed to be setting great examples for you faltering their faith. 00:08:59.040 --> 00:09:09.100 And even the, gosh, the introspection of them asking the questions, recognizing their place within, within the Christian, you know, sociopolitical arena. 00:09:09.560 --> 00:09:09.640 Yeah. 00:09:09.700 --> 00:09:14.900 Like, hey, what'll happen to us? Like, will we get canceled? Like, what if we fall? 00:09:15.340 --> 00:09:26.640 And this is 25 years ago. Like, right. I mean, they're, they're hitting topics on racism. They're asking. And what I love is the depth of the lyrics and some of the, and when you reread some of those lyrics, the, obviously the poetry, right. 00:09:26.640 --> 00:09:39.900 Not to undermine some of the writing there's fantastic, like some deep topics, yet also with some humor, right. There's interspersed some humor and some levity in the, in the album, which also was new to me. 00:09:40.020 --> 00:09:57.700 Like they, they kind of gave us permission to play and like, Oh, you can have fun with this. Um, and then the artwork, it was dark. And not to even mention the music videos. When I started seeing the music videos, again, mind you kids watching here, you would watch fish TV at two in the morning on a, on a, maybe a Christian channel. 00:09:57.700 --> 00:10:08.580 And try to record it on VHS. So I can see it again. That I try, try to. And I, sometimes I would be mad at myself, but watching Jesus freak or like that, that, that music video was intense. 00:10:09.040 --> 00:10:09.480 Yeah. 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:13.140 Today it's intense. You know, I showed my kids and they were like, Whoa. 00:10:14.340 --> 00:10:27.680 And, and even realizing like at, at the time that the gap DC talk was my first concert. We were talking about it off air. They actually came in the school that I went to as a Christian private school, evidently like Toby max cousin. 00:10:27.700 --> 00:10:39.760 Or nephew or nephew or somebody was, was attending the school. And so as a, as a, like a seventh grader, when they were touring on, um, the first, the, the untitled new, new thing was the untitled, right. Or what was the first album? 00:10:39.760 --> 00:10:40.420 Free at last. 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:57.140 Anyway, free at last. And when they were touring on free at last, that was, that was when I saw them, uh, you know, in, in, when I was in seventh grade and then the new thing came out very quickly thereafter, but there was years gap coming into, uh, Jesus freak and, and, and culturally. 00:10:57.380 --> 00:11:11.280 Hey, we want more. We want more. What, what are these? What, what, what's the only good Christian rap there was at this season? Give me another name. It doesn't exist. And so we get to this place. What are these guys doing? We need more Christian rap. We need more Christian rap. 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:25.460 And then they're, Hey, we're, we're, we're going metal. We're going heavy rock here, which, you know, was experimental in how they introduced the, some of the, the new sound to it. But it was way, it was like for, for somebody who was living that life, it was shocking. 00:11:25.460 --> 00:11:36.260 It's like, what, what, why are you? No, we want the Christian rap. Where are we going with Christian rap now? There was, there was nothing left, but the, the introspectiveness, the openness of the lyrics. 00:11:37.460 --> 00:11:47.860 It was phenomenal. Like I, I, I, I can't tell you at the time, anybody else who was so open with what they were doing and how they were expressing themselves vocally. 00:11:47.860 --> 00:12:02.060 Or today outside of the worship genre, which got created, right? We can thank a lot of artists for that. I think Michael W. Smith, I think, I think, I don't know, or, but, but Petra was doing it in the 90s too, guys. Let's not forget Petra praise. They were doing worship. 00:12:02.060 --> 00:12:10.520 Anyway, anyway, but that, when that became a genre, like, are there artists today? And maybe I'm a little bit out of the loop because I'm still nostalgic about some of these guys. 00:12:10.860 --> 00:12:23.300 Who, who, who is that bold about the faith, these topics, singing it and with excellence, right? Not, not 10 years, like re recycling Nashville from 10 years ago and putting it out. Like, is there anybody out there? 00:12:23.760 --> 00:12:40.360 I mean, Lecrae might be right. Like in the sense of that, or, or even, and to kind of exit, but call him a Christian. Who's not necessarily like a Christian rapper. It would be a chance to rapper. Like the, you know, you have elements of faith and drawn into that where it's like, man, this is like, he's, he, 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:53.360 if you read his lyrics, if you look at what he's doing, like their conversations, their prayers with God, their conversations about faith, about how he falls, about how he struggles between his family life, between life is, you know, being this important hip hop star and dealing with some of that stuff. 00:12:53.440 --> 00:13:09.860 There's some of that, but not this introspective. Definitely not at this level where it just feels like you're opening a diary for these three guys and you're reading, you know, that kind of a sentence. And maybe I'm not wrong. Maybe, you know, Kevin, Michael and Toby didn't mean to 00:13:09.860 --> 00:13:34.280 go that deep. Maybe they were a lot more surface than we think, but it just felt at least for a teenager at that point. Wow. I'm almost looking into a young pastor's diary, just kind of asking some of these real hard faith questions about some of the different things that we're discussing about race, right? Like growing up in the nineties, yeah, race was an issue. Like we had, you know, all sorts of political issues, but it didn't feel as strong as it does today. 00:13:34.860 --> 00:13:48.300 It didn't feel as in your face as it does today. And to hear this voice crying out from the church to talk about the need for unity and the need for diversity within the body was, and the need for appreciation of that. 00:13:48.340 --> 00:14:03.100 Because before even within the church, it was an old adage of, Oh, well, you know, we're colorblind here. And they were like, no, God created all different tones. And we appreciate that in terms of everybody. We appreciate the diversity that exists within the body. And that's just one track, right? 00:14:03.340 --> 00:14:11.400 Like we can get into Jesus freak and talk about Christian persecution and about how much it does or does not exist in the United States from our perspective. 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:28.540 Because, because they were tackling it from the sense of a global, like, Hey guys, we're seeing this going on in different countries. And a lot of people are like, well, you know, but my friends at school won't talk to me. And they were like, there's, there, they were like, there's a bigger, tougher faith than that guys. 00:14:29.020 --> 00:14:30.220 And they were calling it out. 00:14:30.940 --> 00:14:34.160 No, good. Hey, real quick. What's a favorite song? Hands down. 00:14:34.260 --> 00:14:40.040 You can't say title track. We're going to eliminate Jesus freak that got, but what's your favorite song outside of that? 00:14:41.340 --> 00:14:42.300 What if I stumble? 00:14:43.680 --> 00:14:47.060 That was the, for me, that, that was the, the, the one that resonated. 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:50.060 I'm trying to remember off topic, maybe a little bit. 00:14:50.220 --> 00:14:52.460 There was a three track single that was released. 00:14:52.620 --> 00:14:54.740 One was a concert track. One was Jesus freak. 00:14:54.820 --> 00:14:58.060 What was the third song on, on, on, on the same Jesus freak single? 00:14:58.460 --> 00:14:59.920 I'll hit Google to figure it out. 00:15:00.060 --> 00:15:04.800 You guys remember between you and me, you know, maybe, maybe that one just between you and me, 00:15:04.820 --> 00:15:06.460 by the way, hit secular radio. 00:15:06.660 --> 00:15:07.580 That's how big it got. 00:15:07.580 --> 00:15:12.060 They were playing that here in Miami on Y 100 on our secular radio. 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:14.920 And it was climbing like the Casey's top 40 charts. 00:15:15.880 --> 00:15:18.240 That was a crossover. Yeah. I remember that. I remember that. That was huge. 00:15:19.520 --> 00:15:22.240 And that was that. I thought that that wasn't a supernatural album, but no, it was, 00:15:22.400 --> 00:15:25.520 it was on because of the, it was Jesus freak. Yeah. 00:15:26.380 --> 00:15:26.540 Yeah. 00:15:27.900 --> 00:15:29.540 Mind's eye is an incredible track. 00:15:29.860 --> 00:15:30.140 Yeah. 00:15:30.460 --> 00:15:32.220 That's what I was going to say is my favorite track. 00:15:32.300 --> 00:15:32.920 I'm glad you did. 00:15:33.020 --> 00:15:35.280 It's like so underrated. Like it's not hidden. 00:15:35.880 --> 00:15:36.660 So good. 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:40.960 The, the lyrics, the, the, that bridge and the, just, it's fantastic. 00:15:41.140 --> 00:15:43.360 Fantastic. Great video too. Great music video. 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:48.260 The fact that they interspersed media into that, you know, with, with Billy Graham. 00:15:48.260 --> 00:15:54.480 Can you talk about that Eridus just real quick, because that seemed pretty revolutionary to me at the time. 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:58.940 You know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't see a lot of Christian songs doing that or even secular songs. 00:15:59.180 --> 00:16:02.760 Correct. No. And you, you hear it. Even the, it was it on, what if I stumble? Right. 00:16:02.800 --> 00:16:07.120 They start with the, the Brenham quote, the greatest cause of atheism in the world today is right. 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:13.340 So many people got introduced to that. You know, today we get it, you know, on stories on Instagram and reposting. 00:16:13.860 --> 00:16:17.700 That was, that was how they were saying the sampling of that, introducing Billy Graham. 00:16:17.900 --> 00:16:25.160 Not only did they do it in the album live, when you would see it live and they would cut to the clips and you would hear it and audio. 00:16:25.980 --> 00:16:29.760 Fantastic. And I love it because it's a, it's a, it's really kind of a nod, right. 00:16:29.760 --> 00:16:42.540 To, to, and an honor, a tribute to, you know, a preacher, you know, go to the incredible evangelist and introduces a new generation to, to, to, to something like, which is kind of neat, but unheard of. 00:16:42.540 --> 00:16:46.780 Like at the time I, nobody was doing that. You know what I'm saying? It was very kind of cookie cutter. 00:16:46.880 --> 00:16:50.000 And these guys were exploring with stuff that was fascinating. 00:16:50.480 --> 00:17:01.480 Right. But even lyrically, if you think about it, like there was a lot of risk in that particular track because to describe spirituality, especially Christian spirituality as in my mind's eye, I can see your face. 00:17:01.660 --> 00:17:01.840 Yeah. 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:04.040 For mid nineties. 00:17:04.500 --> 00:17:10.180 And then you cut to Billy Graham. I see the effects of the wind, but I don't see the wind. You were just like, Whoa, like what is that? 00:17:10.180 --> 00:17:14.260 Like, and you put your little, your little cassette headphones on, or your little Sony Walkmans. 00:17:15.020 --> 00:17:17.120 We were like in it, you know, we were in it. 00:17:18.020 --> 00:17:18.460 Absolutely. 00:17:18.800 --> 00:17:19.460 We were absolutely. 00:17:20.420 --> 00:17:22.180 Real quick to the style of music. 00:17:22.340 --> 00:17:27.360 Um, can we talk about that in terms of, this is mixing hip hop, grunge, heavy metal. 00:17:27.740 --> 00:17:29.920 Um, Lincoln park had not come out yet. 00:17:30.500 --> 00:17:32.420 New metal was not a thing. 00:17:32.500 --> 00:17:37.440 There was, you know, there was run DMC and Aerosmith on one track in the eighties. 00:17:37.840 --> 00:17:40.820 New metal was not super popular at this point. 00:17:40.900 --> 00:17:41.260 Yeah. 00:17:41.460 --> 00:17:47.240 What were the risks involved there guys in terms of as Christians putting this out into the space? 00:17:48.940 --> 00:17:49.300 Yeah. 00:17:49.340 --> 00:17:50.600 I mean, I'll jump in first, Jeff. 00:17:50.660 --> 00:17:51.220 You can jump in. 00:17:51.300 --> 00:17:53.360 I think no doubt ahead of their time, right. 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:59.540 Trendsetters, trailblazers, like in, in, in, in, in, in music in general, not just a Christian market. 00:17:59.540 --> 00:18:03.320 I think, cause there was nothing like it, um, at that level and that quality. 00:18:03.320 --> 00:18:05.820 And if there was, they weren't getting this kind of exposure. 00:18:06.260 --> 00:18:09.500 Um, and I don't know, I wish I have met Toby Mac before. 00:18:09.500 --> 00:18:11.220 I have not met Kevin or, or Michael. 00:18:11.220 --> 00:18:13.800 I wish one day to supposed to go on a cruise with them. 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:14.480 They didn't work out. 00:18:14.620 --> 00:18:15.260 Thanks to my wife. 00:18:15.320 --> 00:18:16.460 But that's another conversation. 00:18:17.280 --> 00:18:17.680 Wow. 00:18:19.340 --> 00:18:20.780 We'll explore that off air. 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:24.420 That got a little weird, but not just the four of us. 00:18:24.740 --> 00:18:27.960 No, but I would love to ask that question. 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:36.140 Like, cause it felt like they flipped the switch from albums one and two to, or what it did to, to Jesus freak. 00:18:36.540 --> 00:18:37.600 What was that meeting? 00:18:37.740 --> 00:18:38.580 What was God doing? 00:18:38.660 --> 00:18:39.380 What was happening? 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:42.440 Like, how did that, it wasn't even how dark, right. 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.920 They went from this light hip hop urban kind of vibe to this. 00:18:46.020 --> 00:18:52.120 It was a darker, like, okay, we're exploring some, some different, um, and the band they got around them. 00:18:52.300 --> 00:18:52.660 Incredible. 00:18:52.660 --> 00:18:56.760 I mean, just out of this world, but musically, I think it was diverse. 00:18:56.760 --> 00:19:00.100 I think it was one of those things, like you said, you, you had a white guy rapping. 00:19:00.980 --> 00:19:01.340 Okay. 00:19:01.820 --> 00:19:09.940 So that you had this, you know, artistic voice, like experimental voice in Kevin Max that sometimes he would bring out to this stuff. 00:19:09.980 --> 00:19:14.020 That's like, not necessarily pop, but it's, it's, it's, it's, it's inviting. 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:27.520 It's, it's, um, but then musically, like layering, like how they layered the songs, how they sampled, how they use, whether it's the mandolin to the acoustic guitar to like heavy rock to still scratching and still using sampling and keys. 00:19:27.520 --> 00:19:30.800 And, um, it was, it was, it was, it was stacked. 00:19:30.900 --> 00:19:31.780 Like it was stacked. 00:19:31.900 --> 00:19:32.760 It was super stacked. 00:19:32.940 --> 00:19:36.080 You know, that's why, and that's why I still, till this day, we're still picking it apart. 00:19:36.360 --> 00:19:37.940 You could attribute it to the Beatles, right? 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:42.480 Beatles did that where they started layering stuff that people, oh, it's just good. 00:19:42.860 --> 00:19:45.380 10 years later, did you ever hear that still today? 00:19:45.380 --> 00:19:50.580 We're unpacking their songs and realizing what those guys did in the studio was also ahead of their time, you know? 00:19:50.620 --> 00:19:54.760 And I think DC Rock did that, you know, in the nineties and we're still here talking about it today. 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:56.980 It changed culture. 00:19:57.340 --> 00:20:05.140 Like the, the culture of what CCM was, um, in, in, in the eighties, not, not knocking the Amy grants, not knocking the Petras. 00:20:05.340 --> 00:20:12.560 It was what was available, but it took it to a completely different level and in a completely different importance. 00:20:12.860 --> 00:20:17.920 Like even the books that, that came out, I don't like the, the Jesus freak book. 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:19.300 I think there were a couple of versions of them. 00:20:19.360 --> 00:20:22.440 Basically it was like the modern day voice of the martyrs. 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:22.640 Yeah. 00:20:25.540 --> 00:20:41.540 People who were, who were modern day and, and older martyrs for this, who were the Jesus freaks and celebrating that, the impact that that had on culture and driving that importance for us as Christians living today to, to live lives of, of a Jesus freak. 00:20:41.540 --> 00:20:47.980 Like that, that culture as, as, as a, as a college freshman that drove me for the four years that I was in college. 00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:49.440 I want to be that. 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:50.200 I want to live that. 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:51.200 I want to absorb that. 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:53.480 This, this is the, the mantra. 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:56.600 This is the, the calling that, that God's had before me. 00:20:56.600 --> 00:21:07.920 And, and, and a largely realized because a bunch of, a bunch of guys are shifted from like a rap to, to this, this new open, honest, new concept in music. 00:21:08.320 --> 00:21:18.200 Now, I was going to say some of the underrated musical things these guys did to, to win over whether it's strategy, God's favor, or just how time and place. 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:18.720 There's all that. 00:21:18.780 --> 00:21:18.920 Right. 00:21:18.940 --> 00:21:19.800 And how God does things. 00:21:20.140 --> 00:21:20.860 One of the, okay. 00:21:20.860 --> 00:21:24.520 I don't know if you remember on their live tour, they would open up with help, right. 00:21:24.520 --> 00:21:25.000 With the Beatles. 00:21:25.740 --> 00:21:26.100 Okay. 00:21:26.100 --> 00:21:26.520 Number one. 00:21:26.600 --> 00:21:31.360 Now, as a kid listening to that, me personally, I didn't know that was Beatles track. 00:21:31.460 --> 00:21:32.140 I didn't know that was a Beatles song. 00:21:32.280 --> 00:21:34.600 That was me at the time when I was on that tour. 00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:39.620 They knew what they were doing, winning mom and dad over from the get go, from the start. 00:21:40.040 --> 00:21:41.420 Like, you know, so there was a strategy there. 00:21:41.540 --> 00:21:46.720 Like, God, these guys are speaking to the teens, to the young, but also to the parents who paid for the ticket. 00:21:47.280 --> 00:21:48.320 Same thing in the album. 00:21:48.780 --> 00:21:49.300 I'm not sure. 00:21:49.300 --> 00:21:51.900 Is it day by day or is it like it, love it, needed? 00:21:52.300 --> 00:21:53.020 It's day by day. 00:21:53.540 --> 00:21:56.020 That's an old Jesus movie song. 00:21:56.020 --> 00:21:56.220 Yeah. 00:21:56.740 --> 00:21:59.340 And it's a Godspell Broadway song, I think, if I'm not mistaken. 00:21:59.560 --> 00:22:07.740 It was a cover, which even that, I mean, they took, at the time, it was, if I'm not mistaken, the song was secular in a Godspell Broadway original. 00:22:08.280 --> 00:22:10.720 Got recorded by a few guys, Charlie Peacock, I forgot who. 00:22:11.260 --> 00:22:12.140 But they brought that. 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:16.600 Again, they're bringing on this 70s crowd as well on this journey. 00:22:17.460 --> 00:22:18.740 Yet, oh, while still being relevant. 00:22:18.940 --> 00:22:20.040 We didn't even know that at the time. 00:22:20.340 --> 00:22:20.460 Yeah. 00:22:20.600 --> 00:22:21.660 We were just like, dude, this song rocks. 00:22:21.900 --> 00:22:22.900 Like, this is a rocking song. 00:22:22.980 --> 00:22:23.620 It's a great lyric. 00:22:24.260 --> 00:22:31.860 So I think it's strategic in winning over an audience, speaking to different demographics, and still being the same band. 00:22:31.940 --> 00:22:33.600 You don't have to just, oh, different genre. 00:22:33.700 --> 00:22:34.920 No, they kept it still in the middle. 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:39.120 Pulling Billy Graham in on that quote. 00:22:39.520 --> 00:22:42.920 The song that I was referencing earlier from the single was Larry Norman. 00:22:43.360 --> 00:22:43.600 Yes. 00:22:43.600 --> 00:22:45.860 Another voice of the 60s coming back in. 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:47.280 I wish we'd all been ready. 00:22:47.620 --> 00:22:47.820 Yes. 00:22:48.080 --> 00:22:49.580 They were managing. 00:22:50.340 --> 00:22:51.580 Once again, this is before Linkin Park. 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:56.420 This is really before we were remastering and taking old and going new. 00:22:56.420 --> 00:23:05.360 But they figured out how to do this in 1995, paying homage to the old, but making it new and including others in it. 00:23:05.360 --> 00:23:05.860 Yeah. 00:23:05.940 --> 00:23:06.120 Right. 00:23:06.220 --> 00:23:09.040 And speaking as a fan of hip hop, that's all part of hip hop. 00:23:09.260 --> 00:23:10.900 Like that kind of sample and all that. 00:23:11.360 --> 00:23:12.260 No, not even today. 00:23:12.380 --> 00:23:13.420 Even at the time, right? 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:18.160 Because early hip hop was taking disco records and putting lyrics over them. 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.840 Whether it's, you know, MC Hammer, you know, singing Can't Touch Us and he's really doing Rick James Jesus Freak. 00:23:23.100 --> 00:23:24.540 I mean, Super Freak or whatever else. 00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:25.240 Not Jesus Freak. 00:23:25.320 --> 00:23:26.020 Jesus Freak is something else. 00:23:26.580 --> 00:23:27.160 But, yeah. 00:23:28.060 --> 00:23:34.940 So you got like a whole lot of sampling involved, but not taking parts of Christian culture and sampling off of that. 00:23:35.300 --> 00:23:45.540 That's kind of insane where it's like you guys are talking about a whole lot of call bets that are talking, that are really hitting on a lot of heartstrings for folks who might have been part of the Jesus movement back in the 60s and early 70s. 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:51.360 And introducing it to their children today and to their grandkids, that was a big deal. 00:23:51.560 --> 00:23:54.840 And it's created something that obviously stood the test of time. 00:23:55.300 --> 00:23:57.720 No, but the strategy, and I think there's a lot to learn there for anything. 00:23:57.900 --> 00:23:59.920 And we're winning over. 00:23:59.980 --> 00:24:02.220 Like, how can my mom get mad at Billy Graham's quote in that song? 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:03.680 Oh, this is Jesus Freak. 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:05.820 I think there's blood in the video and that guy doesn't look safe. 00:24:06.120 --> 00:24:06.280 Right? 00:24:06.460 --> 00:24:06.800 Everybody. 00:24:06.980 --> 00:24:07.120 All right. 00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:09.360 My mom would question everything about that album. 00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:09.600 Right? 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:14.400 And we're still not too far from the days where if you spin the record backwards, you know, the devil. 00:24:15.600 --> 00:24:16.680 I don't know if you had that. 00:24:16.760 --> 00:24:17.920 I had a little bit of that in Brazil. 00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:20.020 So I'm coming out of that. 00:24:20.360 --> 00:24:21.080 What's a record? 00:24:21.360 --> 00:24:22.180 I'm confused. 00:24:22.340 --> 00:24:23.000 I don't understand. 00:24:23.660 --> 00:24:24.480 For all the teenagers. 00:24:26.540 --> 00:24:26.940 Vinyls. 00:24:27.340 --> 00:24:28.180 Yeah, vinyls. 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:31.320 The stuff you put on your walls now as art. 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:32.200 That's it. 00:24:32.660 --> 00:24:37.540 But there's so much there in winning over just the different audiences. 00:24:37.540 --> 00:24:39.740 And I think they won different people at a different time. 00:24:40.020 --> 00:24:41.900 But over time, that's what made it so successful. 00:24:42.320 --> 00:24:45.840 Do you guys have any records on sales or charting for the album? 00:24:47.300 --> 00:24:48.120 I don't. 00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:50.920 But I just remember at the time, it was so dominant. 00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:55.660 It was just ridiculous as far as getting out there. 00:24:55.760 --> 00:24:58.620 You know, you talked about the fact that it was on shelves even two years later. 00:24:59.100 --> 00:24:59.340 Yeah. 00:24:59.340 --> 00:25:05.140 I'm sure when it comes to CCM charts and all that stuff, it was probably riding high for quite a long time. 00:25:05.140 --> 00:25:13.500 But at the same time, don't forget, there weren't different genres of Christian music at the time where this could ride high at like a Christian hard rock genre. 00:25:14.100 --> 00:25:24.540 No, but listen, it was right next to, I don't forget, if I'm not mistaken, it was Jesus Freak right next to Jackie Velasquez, you know, whatever, you know, she had at the time. 00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:27.060 And that was it. 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:28.760 I think it went double platinum. 00:25:29.040 --> 00:25:29.800 Can you double check? 00:25:30.460 --> 00:25:30.980 Two million. 00:25:31.120 --> 00:25:32.040 I just Googled it. 00:25:32.040 --> 00:25:33.280 Two million sold. 00:25:33.860 --> 00:25:35.040 And that was as of 2010. 00:25:35.140 --> 00:25:37.240 And so, you know, since then, whatever. 00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:47.440 But it debuted in the top 20 on the secular sales charts, Billboard Magazine, and Just Between You and Me was charted in the top 30. 00:25:48.400 --> 00:26:01.000 So, you know, you're seeing this Christian album was one of the early Jesus, or not Jesus, Jarrett Clay was probably another one who was starting to go from kind of Christian into kind of that secular recognition. 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:02.100 It's so interesting today. 00:26:02.260 --> 00:26:04.240 And I don't even, I can't remember the last time I said secular. 00:26:04.820 --> 00:26:08.040 You know, it's just kind of all been, I guess, blurred together, but fascinating stuff. 00:26:08.500 --> 00:26:10.000 Hey, go ahead. 00:26:10.060 --> 00:26:10.260 Go ahead. 00:26:10.840 --> 00:26:19.200 Well, I was going to say, this for me, and we talked about this earlier, this for me was like the first album that I was able to hand a non-Christian friend with pride without any shame and say, bro, you need to listen to this. 00:26:19.620 --> 00:26:23.120 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and with the bold message, man. 00:26:23.540 --> 00:26:25.220 I mean, Jesus Freak is a title track. 00:26:25.820 --> 00:26:26.840 So it's not even hiding. 00:26:26.980 --> 00:26:30.820 It's not, you know, I think Jarrett Clay did a good job of burying it in the flood there, you know. 00:26:32.580 --> 00:26:37.640 But no, this was bold, and it's still so good that you're like, no, this is a tool. 00:26:37.860 --> 00:26:38.860 This is, yeah, you're right. 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:44.360 You did, we spoke off record, but about this being kind of capturing lightning in a bottle, right? 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.240 What happened there was just like, there's been some tribute albums to it. 00:26:48.580 --> 00:26:50.260 A lot of people have covered the songs. 00:26:51.220 --> 00:26:52.280 Can it be recreated? 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:53.660 Like, can it, like, I don't know. 00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:54.140 I'm curious. 00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:55.260 I don't know. 00:26:55.420 --> 00:26:56.480 I mean, is it possible? 00:26:56.700 --> 00:27:00.640 Is it like a movie where Marvel picks up, you know, an old school one 30 years later? 00:27:00.760 --> 00:27:02.220 There's like, you know, I don't know. 00:27:02.340 --> 00:27:03.140 Can it be redone? 00:27:03.860 --> 00:27:12.880 I mean, maybe not redone, but maybe in the same vein, can we get another Christian artist maybe one day to be as open and creating an album experience for our time? 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:20.840 And, you know, Airdis, you alluded to this earlier, that we're so single thinking in terms of, like, how music is created nowadays. 00:27:21.080 --> 00:27:22.520 Like, even worship albums, right? 00:27:22.580 --> 00:27:23.660 Like, which ones are going to pop? 00:27:23.740 --> 00:27:27.520 Which ones are going to be the anthems that people play over and over again in their churches? 00:27:27.900 --> 00:27:33.760 But when you talk about an album experience, we were talking about this earlier as well, just talking about there are skits in this album. 00:27:34.560 --> 00:27:41.320 It's a listening experience beginning to end in terms of even moving from track to track. 00:27:41.320 --> 00:27:48.400 The purpose of the tracks being laid out the way that they are is in a very specific order, that you're getting a story from beginning to end. 00:27:49.940 --> 00:27:51.340 We've lost a little bit, for sure. 00:27:51.400 --> 00:28:01.680 That's why, even going back right to the vinyl generation, to cassettes, CDs, I mean, there was something about opening the artwork, looking at, you know, looking through the details of all that, right? 00:28:01.800 --> 00:28:04.700 Of what, like, digging deep into, because they're telling you a story. 00:28:04.860 --> 00:28:10.760 They're trying to convey a message, and it's all, today, I think we are, no doubt, in the kind of quick, the microwave, like, boom. 00:28:10.900 --> 00:28:13.540 I need the single now, let me replay it next. 00:28:13.600 --> 00:28:14.400 Give me the next beat. 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:23.380 So some artists don't maintain, I don't know how many, but some artists don't maintain kind of the artistic process of, okay, let me tell you, from beginning to end, here's the experience. 00:28:25.560 --> 00:28:32.520 Andrew Peterson's Behold the Lamb, that Christmas album, I don't know if you're, that's another one that kind of went with telling the story through there. 00:28:32.520 --> 00:28:45.400 I wonder this, and this is not mic drop, I don't want to, like, blow something up here, but the Christian music is so centered on worship, creating songs that are expressive towards God. 00:28:45.960 --> 00:29:03.600 I wonder if, you know, I don't look at Jesus Freak as worship, I look at it as self-expression of doubt, of asking questions, of maybe a realization on an individual level that maybe is able to happen because it's not pointed towards God as much as it is about God. 00:29:03.600 --> 00:29:11.600 And kind of moving towards this worship movement, we've lost the ability to have this type of tonal, vocal conversation. 00:29:12.460 --> 00:29:14.820 I don't know, is there something to play in that? 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:25.140 What would it look like to be, go back towards being more expressive, maybe not in worship, but in music, about being a Christian or about that life? 00:29:26.940 --> 00:29:36.480 That's so hard, right, because especially, like, for us as Christians, it's not going to affect, how can I say this? 00:29:36.580 --> 00:29:42.540 Like, we like to listen to songs that we hear on Sunday morning, because we feel like we can sing along with them. 00:29:43.120 --> 00:29:47.340 We feel like that's, like, an active part of our faith, too, in terms of bringing some of that in with us. 00:29:47.560 --> 00:29:53.800 And really, for me, you know, like we mentioned Michael W. Smith earlier, for me, it's kind of been since, like, the passion movement, right? 00:29:53.840 --> 00:29:56.020 Like, early Louis Giglio, Matt Redman kind of stuff. 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.180 Oh, man, I got these almost devotional songs that I can sing to God. 00:30:01.040 --> 00:30:10.320 But these songs about faith and kind of dealing with doubt, I feel like the Rich Mullins, the DC Talks, the Audio Adrenalines, that kind of stuff is still needed. 00:30:11.040 --> 00:30:22.660 Because especially in this day and time where we've kind of married Christianity and culture and so many other things that are going on that we're kind of losing aspects of our faith to where we're challenged on it. 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:27.060 And, hey, like, how does your God deal in a world where evil exists? 00:30:27.100 --> 00:30:30.280 And we feel so scared that we almost run away from it and run back into the bubble. 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:36.980 Whereas these songs made us challenge our own thoughts and made us think through some of those questions that I think we need again. 00:30:37.760 --> 00:30:38.360 That's good. 00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:41.960 I do have some. 00:30:42.020 --> 00:30:45.400 This may take us off topic and even political. 00:30:45.560 --> 00:30:46.400 So, Jeff, no, I'm kidding. 00:30:46.540 --> 00:30:46.920 I'm kidding. 00:30:47.840 --> 00:30:48.240 Jeff! 00:30:50.520 --> 00:30:51.740 And she's gone. 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:53.260 So we'll give it a second. 00:30:53.500 --> 00:30:54.240 Come back up. 00:30:54.460 --> 00:30:54.720 Okay. 00:30:54.820 --> 00:30:55.460 We'll bring it back. 00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:57.300 Now is your timeout. 00:30:57.380 --> 00:30:58.420 Are we going to be okay here? 00:30:58.560 --> 00:30:59.380 I don't want to go crazy. 00:30:59.380 --> 00:31:02.360 The last four years. 00:31:02.460 --> 00:31:03.040 That's my insight. 00:31:05.380 --> 00:31:08.000 So, no, I do think it's this, though. 00:31:08.340 --> 00:31:15.380 I think we've, as technology has evolved and media has evolved, and it's like with these artists, right? 00:31:15.800 --> 00:31:21.160 Artists used to rely so much on getting the one album out, distribution, and then the tour. 00:31:21.840 --> 00:31:22.180 That's good. 00:31:22.700 --> 00:31:24.780 That's changed to the streaming and the platform. 00:31:24.940 --> 00:31:27.840 Still the tour, but they're making more money off the T-shirts still. 00:31:27.840 --> 00:31:34.180 So, the culture and the business of music with that evolution, what's happened to Christian artists, too, though, is this. 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:42.820 You can have a great album, but if you're social and your feeds and online, it's not either matching or there's not that same kind of clout. 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:44.160 It doesn't matter how good your music is. 00:31:44.500 --> 00:31:45.880 So, it's unfortunate, right? 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.000 It's unfortunate because there's a lot of good music out there, but without the clout. 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:52.420 And you've got a lot of guys with great clout, but not great music. 00:31:53.060 --> 00:31:55.060 So, there's something to that. 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.160 And with that, and I'm going to use comedy as an example, too. 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:03.800 Comedians have backed off, right, with the culture the way it is of touching a lot of subjects. 00:32:04.340 --> 00:32:08.360 Because they're still trying to reach the masses and pack clubs and sell Netflix specials. 00:32:08.660 --> 00:32:10.100 So, there's some things that they're not going to touch. 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:12.800 I think there's Christian artists, okay? 00:32:13.700 --> 00:32:14.740 They've also backed up. 00:32:14.840 --> 00:32:15.400 It's like, you know what? 00:32:15.460 --> 00:32:17.040 If I want to still appeal to the masses. 00:32:17.860 --> 00:32:22.880 But there's, again, but the Christian culture is very quick to spit out, like, hey, either you're of us or you're not. 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:24.000 Which is bad, too, by the way. 00:32:24.040 --> 00:32:26.440 I'm speaking, like, on behalf of, it's like, that sucks. 00:32:26.520 --> 00:32:29.940 Like, that's, but they're like, either you're super Jesus freak or you're not. 00:32:30.020 --> 00:32:31.100 Don't be in the middle or else. 00:32:31.260 --> 00:32:31.940 So, it's weird. 00:32:32.340 --> 00:32:35.000 So, that shuns a lot of people out of the CCM. 00:32:35.320 --> 00:32:36.580 So, they become, like, unknown. 00:32:36.700 --> 00:32:37.640 Are they, are they, are they not? 00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:43.600 And the Christian artists who stick with it, then the majority have to commit to the built-in audience. 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:45.040 Who's the audience? 00:32:45.120 --> 00:32:45.800 Who's built-in? 00:32:45.980 --> 00:32:47.440 Who I know are going to buy or are going to go to the show? 00:32:47.740 --> 00:32:48.360 It's Christian. 00:32:48.460 --> 00:32:49.060 It's the church, right? 00:32:49.320 --> 00:32:49.980 It's the worship. 00:32:50.260 --> 00:32:54.100 That's why praise and worship become the genre, because it's built-in. 00:32:54.340 --> 00:32:55.040 It's no risk. 00:32:55.660 --> 00:32:58.920 You write a worship song, chances are, church is going to sing it. 00:32:59.000 --> 00:32:59.760 It's going to get promoted. 00:33:00.420 --> 00:33:01.880 So, in some ways, it's safe. 00:33:03.020 --> 00:33:05.300 I like artists that, listen, again, not Christian. 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:06.980 Again, we talked about this offline. 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.540 And it's relevant because Owl City did cover Jesus Freak. 00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:11.680 I think it just came out. 00:33:11.980 --> 00:33:13.020 There's an Owl City cover. 00:33:14.320 --> 00:33:19.160 But Adam Young is a former worship leader, Christian dude, man of faith. 00:33:19.580 --> 00:33:20.880 Okay, this is Owl City. 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:22.100 Nobody knows that. 00:33:22.260 --> 00:33:22.640 It doesn't matter. 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:24.020 That's irrelevant. 00:33:24.700 --> 00:33:24.840 Okay? 00:33:25.040 --> 00:33:31.240 I love it that my kids got exposed to him through the Wreck-It Ralph movie and the single that he did a song with somebody else with Handsome Brothers. 00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:31.920 That was fun. 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:34.700 I love it when it's good, fun music. 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:41.580 On the social media, if it can back it up, that this guy's got a cool lifestyle, he's a man of faith, of integrity, awesome. 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:43.280 That's going to point me to Jesus. 00:33:43.460 --> 00:33:44.440 Like, that's going to point me to God. 00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:50.320 As opposed to, like, oh, let me smack you in the face with, you know, anyway, not to get super off topic. 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.460 But I think that's the industry has changed tons like that. 00:33:52.560 --> 00:33:59.460 I'd love to see more artists like that who are just making great music, their life, their social, their tours, their products, their relationships. 00:33:59.900 --> 00:34:02.860 Their life is backing it up with that influence, right? 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:04.620 Not just what they're saying in the lyrics. 00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:05.600 Yeah. 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:13.060 And I would love to see, I know VH wanted to do this anymore, but especially on this particular thing, I would love to see it behind the music in terms of how in the world did a record company okay this? 00:34:13.420 --> 00:34:13.580 Yeah. 00:34:13.680 --> 00:34:15.280 Can you talk about built-in audience and all this stuff? 00:34:15.680 --> 00:34:17.400 Like, how did this fly past marketing? 00:34:17.620 --> 00:34:18.100 How did that happen? 00:34:18.720 --> 00:34:19.260 That'd be awesome. 00:34:20.620 --> 00:34:21.200 That'd be awesome. 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:22.760 I thought you were going to see pop-up videos. 00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:24.200 I'd love to see some pop-up videos too. 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:25.200 Absolutely. 00:34:25.640 --> 00:34:27.500 Bring back pop-up videos, VH1. 00:34:27.500 --> 00:34:28.440 Those are awesome. 00:34:28.860 --> 00:34:29.680 Those are awesome. 00:34:30.520 --> 00:34:31.260 Those are awesome. 00:34:31.780 --> 00:34:32.880 Throwback definitely there. 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:33.740 Ray, what else you got? 00:34:34.340 --> 00:34:34.800 Oh, man. 00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:35.300 You know what? 00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:36.580 This has been a great conversation. 00:34:37.020 --> 00:34:47.440 And in order to wrap it up, we're going to have Aaron just kind of bring it all back to center and kind of sing a piece of the song that kind of inspired this whole conversation, which is in the light. 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:52.700 And for those of you, as he sings it, I hope it washes over you the way that it washed over me. 00:34:52.700 --> 00:34:58.820 And if you've never heard this album, Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, however you can get it, go listen. 00:34:58.820 --> 00:35:04.900 Listen to it and see if the lyrics, see if the music, see if all of it impacts you the same way that it's impacted the three of us. 00:35:06.160 --> 00:35:06.840 Let's do it. 00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:07.380 I'm rusty. 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.100 We're going to do just a little verse for chorus, but hope it blesses you. 00:35:10.100 --> 00:35:18.160 Go like this. 00:35:18.160 --> 00:35:25.220 I keep trying to find a life on my own, apart from you. 00:35:26.680 --> 00:35:28.980 I am the king of excuses. 00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:33.900 I've got one for every selfish thing I do. 00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:38.400 They tell me what's going on inside of me. 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:41.740 I despise my own behavior. 00:35:42.240 --> 00:35:50.020 This only serves you from my suspicions that I'm still a man in need of single. 00:35:51.340 --> 00:35:53.420 I want to be in light. 00:35:53.420 --> 00:35:58.860 I swear in the lights, oh, I shine like stars into heaven. 00:36:00.080 --> 00:36:03.900 Oh, Lord, be my light and be my salvation. 00:36:04.560 --> 00:36:07.060 Because all I want is to be in the light. 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:11.380 All I want, all I want, all I want is to be in the light. 00:36:11.780 --> 00:36:15.960 Oh, I want, all I want, all I want is to be in the light. 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:18.020 Just a little sample there. 00:36:18.180 --> 00:36:19.640 I love it. 00:36:19.700 --> 00:36:20.140 I love it. 00:36:21.100 --> 00:36:22.480 Eridus is my watch leader, y'all. 00:36:22.580 --> 00:36:23.160 You need to know it. 00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:24.020 Come on now. 00:36:24.420 --> 00:36:25.860 Well, it's been all fun right there. 00:36:26.080 --> 00:36:26.520 It's been 30. 00:36:27.020 --> 00:36:27.660 It's been a while. 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:30.120 Rock legend, Eridus. 00:36:30.180 --> 00:36:35.880 Thanks for joining on this with Grace's family, right, up in Tampa. 00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:38.240 Love to check them out at Eridus with that. 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:38.740 Ray the Armist. 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:39.620 Hey, thanks for once again. 00:36:40.080 --> 00:36:42.920 Jeff at the Church Digital Sage, you're planning everything else. 00:36:43.060 --> 00:36:44.500 Thanks for joining us here at the Beta Show. 00:36:45.180 --> 00:36:48.440 Tell us in the comments your favorite DC Talk story. 00:36:48.580 --> 00:36:49.400 You all have them. 00:36:49.740 --> 00:36:51.620 I've already heard some of them on social media. 00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:55.220 So jump it on, drop it right here, and let's continue the dialogue. 00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:00.280 And in 2021, let's learn how to be a Jesus freak. 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:01.100 So thanks for joining. 00:37:01.660 --> 00:37:02.600 We'll see y'all next time. 00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:03.320 Y'all have a good day. 00:37:04.160 --> 00:37:04.560 Later.