WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.160 All right. Hey, everybody. Episode 334 of the church digital podcast. I wanted to make 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:16.440 sure my audio is working, which it is. I am not the moron that I sometimes appear to 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:21.820 be on camera. And so, hey, it's great to be here with you today. Happy Holy Week. Doing 00:00:21.820 --> 00:00:29.980 this recording on Tuesday of Holy Week. And so I want to thank those of you who are taking 00:00:29.980 --> 00:00:38.800 a break from the hecticness that is Holy Week to join us here for the stream. The church 00:00:38.800 --> 00:00:48.140 staffer in me always has nightmares, get triggered a little bit. Holy Week. Some really heavy work 00:00:48.140 --> 00:00:55.920 weeks have happened traditionally in Holy Week over the years. And so thankful to not be 00:00:55.920 --> 00:01:03.020 on church staff at the moment and to be able to take some time this day and do a stream, 00:01:03.160 --> 00:01:08.340 have some, be an encouragement, have some fun, do a little laughing on the show. I am, I'm 00:01:08.340 --> 00:01:12.800 really looking forward to today's stream. You know, we just did the Digital Missionary Conference 00:01:12.800 --> 00:01:18.960 fresh off it. As a matter of fact, if you are one of many people, many, many people who have 00:01:18.960 --> 00:01:24.940 been emailing me, hey, Jeff, I wasn't able to make all the keynotes and I want to see what 00:01:24.940 --> 00:01:30.460 I missed. Like when, when are the on-demand recordings gonna, gonna be out? Right around 00:01:30.460 --> 00:01:36.700 the corner, right? Literally around the corner. We, we are, are very close. We're, we're rolling 00:01:36.700 --> 00:01:43.440 out the, what's called the base on the Digital Missionary website, missionary.digital, the base. 00:01:43.440 --> 00:01:51.100 It's a, a password protected, members only section. Uh, you will get access to that. And, uh, we will 00:01:51.100 --> 00:01:57.840 have, uh, resources from a lot of our sponsors in there as well as, uh, the on-demand videos. And so, 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:05.700 uh, trust me, it's worth the wait. Hang out in there. Uh, it's coming in, in due time, but, but really 00:02:05.700 --> 00:02:10.560 excited about the, the conference, uh, overall. And even, even a couple of weeks off the conference, 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:18.540 still feeling, uh, the energy, uh, level coming high in, in, in right now. And by the way, we're, 00:02:18.540 --> 00:02:24.760 um, uh, you know, speaking of, of high levels of energy, that was an awkward turn on a word there, 00:02:24.760 --> 00:02:30.700 but, um, maybe, maybe one of the highlights for me, uh, in, in the conference, there were so many 00:02:30.700 --> 00:02:36.560 highlights. There, there was seeing Pastor D and OJ sitting together in the auditorium. Pastor D 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:42.160 has been doing, doing digital ministry for over a decade, was looking for a world builder. 00:02:42.620 --> 00:02:49.240 OJ is a world builder, uh, who lives in, I want to say Hawaii. And so getting the two of 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:54.340 them together, uh, was incredible. Does OJ live in Hawaii? OJ, I'm going to pretend you live 00:02:54.340 --> 00:02:58.820 in Hawaii. I'm pretty sure you said Hawaii. And I think I've, I think in the past, I assumed 00:02:58.820 --> 00:03:04.660 it was the Philippines or Malaysia, but it was Hawaii. Uh, and so it was cool to get the two of 00:03:04.660 --> 00:03:10.440 them connected, uh, to, to see, uh, how, what, you know, ministry things can happen as a result of 00:03:10.440 --> 00:03:18.700 that, that relationship. Um, listening to, um, you know, so many of, of the keynote talks, uh, David 00:03:18.700 --> 00:03:26.260 from, um, uh, Timothy Initiative was, was huge on my list. If your disciple is not making a disciple, 00:03:26.460 --> 00:03:32.320 did you not in fact make a disciple? Did you actually make a disciple? You know, so good. Uh, 00:03:32.320 --> 00:03:36.720 one of my biggest regrets, actually, Elle Michelle's in the room. One of my greatest regrets, 00:03:36.720 --> 00:03:42.500 good afternoon. No, Michelle was, was missing your talk. I really wanted to see yours. Uh, 00:03:42.700 --> 00:03:46.740 but, uh, looking forward, actually, uh, Michelle's knowledge, you're in here. I wanted, I want you to 00:03:46.740 --> 00:03:51.680 do a stream. I sent you an email, but you know, I know you and emails don't go over well. I want you 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:58.100 to do a stream where, where you go through your talk here, uh, sometime in, in May or June. So let's 00:03:58.100 --> 00:04:05.480 touch base on that soon. And, uh, I want you to do your talk on active listening here, uh, towards for 00:04:05.480 --> 00:04:11.540 the broadcast audience, not just in the VR crowd, but it was, it was so exciting for me just from top 00:04:11.540 --> 00:04:17.320 to bottom, the entire conference. One of the main highlights, uh, I get this text message. I was 00:04:17.320 --> 00:04:22.340 actually scrolling through my phone, trying to remember who sent it to me. I couldn't find it, 00:04:22.340 --> 00:04:27.220 but somebody sent me in the middle of the conference. I get a text from someone saying, 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:33.220 are we doing anything in big screen? I, do you know the digital missionary conference is currently 00:04:33.220 --> 00:04:41.740 happening in big screen to which my immediate response was no, but I love it. And so I was, 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:48.840 uh, was very excited to hear it. I'm using the term loosely, uh, to, to hear that our conference 00:04:48.840 --> 00:04:57.500 was being bootlegged into, uh, into, uh, to big screen, which is a, a virtual reality platform, 00:04:57.500 --> 00:05:04.260 uh, that, that many, uh, many of you know about. And so, uh, you know, immediately started putting 00:05:04.260 --> 00:05:09.980 out, putting out feelers who did this. I mean, listen, I'm not, don't, don't shut it down. I 00:05:09.980 --> 00:05:15.520 don't stop it. Like let it keep going. I love the fact that, that it's going. I just want to know who 00:05:15.520 --> 00:05:24.180 did it one to thank them for it. And, and, and two to, to like encourage them, uh, to do it again 00:05:24.180 --> 00:05:32.600 next time, because I love the idea that we lost control of this crazy conference. And so we ended up 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:39.800 talking about it on the stream last week and somebody said the word Mr. Pete, who's this guy 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:45.220 I never heard of. And, and Oh, by the way, maybe it was Mr. Pete. We're not sure, but Mr. Pete 00:05:45.220 --> 00:05:52.620 is 80 years old. And I'm like, okay, so you're telling me there's a potentially 80 year old 00:05:52.620 --> 00:06:02.200 metaverse missionary who bootlegged our conference in big screen. 80, 84. Is that what you're saying? 00:06:02.200 --> 00:06:09.820 84 years old. Wow. I mean that that's like, that's like two of my lifetime, sir. I'm 47. So that 00:06:09.820 --> 00:06:18.680 would be closer to 94, but, but dang, you've been around for a minute. It what's, what's, what's the 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:26.520 secret to the, to the youthful look that you have at this moment? One word, Jesus. Interesting. 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:33.300 Well, kick us off here. Tell us, tell us a little bit about yourself. 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:39.940 Well, I'm excited about being here. I've been on Facebook contact and all of my friends 00:06:39.940 --> 00:06:49.100 sending a link. So I hope we have Elle Michelle. I know her and, uh, I just, I appreciate those 00:06:49.100 --> 00:06:56.200 ministries in VR so much and that they allow me to be a part. I'm excited about being here. I'm, I'm, 00:06:56.200 --> 00:07:05.060 I'm, uh, I love computers and I love photography. And my main thing is creating 3d photos and videos. 00:07:05.060 --> 00:07:10.600 And I, that's something I've been doing for many, many years with a Polaroid camera, taking an old 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:15.720 black and white, take one photograph, take another photograph, scotch tape them together, see it in 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:29.280 3d. That's what VR is. It's 3d, but VR number one is people. That's why I love VR VR virtual reality is 00:07:29.280 --> 00:07:34.860 people. And you get to, you get to talk to people, encourage people. And as a minister of the gospel, 00:07:34.860 --> 00:07:42.980 anointed of God, I love praying with people and to be a blessing and to, and I have, I like to make 00:07:42.980 --> 00:07:49.220 people laugh. I have a little friend of here. I'm going to introduce to you in a moment. He loves to 00:07:49.220 --> 00:07:57.860 come in here and make people laugh and be a little goofy. And, but, uh, that's what, what virtual reality 00:07:57.860 --> 00:08:04.500 is, is, uh, as people come in there and they want to learn, you can learn and see and meet people. I mean, 00:08:04.500 --> 00:08:12.740 you can go anywhere in the world. My fun thing is I do Microsoft flight simulator. And so I fly 00:08:12.740 --> 00:08:19.060 different airplanes. I like the ultra light and I love flying over Israel. I, you can see my Israeli 00:08:19.060 --> 00:08:26.740 flag. I, I, I pray for Israel. I know people, some personal friends in Israel. Uh, and, uh, 00:08:26.740 --> 00:08:34.820 my heart, you get me, you start talking about Israel, you'll get me crying. You know, the Bible commands 00:08:34.820 --> 00:08:41.220 us to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, for the Jewish people. And so, uh, in VR, there's a group 00:08:41.220 --> 00:08:47.860 of, uh, Jewish people that gather and I'll come in the room and, and some of them do speak English. 00:08:47.860 --> 00:08:54.100 And I, I'm, I come right out and tell them that I'm an old guy in Northern Alabama, but I want to tell 00:08:54.100 --> 00:09:00.820 you right now, I'm, I'm praying for you. I don't judge you. I don't ask you if you know Jesus. The Bible 00:09:00.820 --> 00:09:07.620 commands me to pray for you. And that's, to me, it's a very serious thing. Yeah. So I love what you're 00:09:07.620 --> 00:09:16.020 doing. Wow. I was in, uh, the conference. My goodness. I think I was there for five hours. 00:09:17.620 --> 00:09:23.060 That sounds about right. How long did that, that go? How did you do that sitting there 00:09:23.060 --> 00:09:29.620 in that chair? Well, to be honest, it was, yeah, it was supposed to be a four hour conference that 00:09:29.620 --> 00:09:34.020 became a five hour conference that became a six hour conference that became a seven hour conference. 00:09:34.020 --> 00:09:39.620 It just, it was like the Energizer bunny. It kept going and going, uh, but, uh, and enjoyed, 00:09:39.620 --> 00:09:46.500 enjoyed every second of it. I was able to take some of the breakoffs off and, uh, some of the keynotes. 00:09:46.500 --> 00:09:51.620 I kept my ears in to listen, but I had to like stretch and walk around because it's a, it's a long 00:09:51.620 --> 00:09:57.060 day sitting in a chair, not moving. Uh, I've, I've, I've done that too in another time. So yeah. 00:09:58.660 --> 00:10:04.980 Yeah. I was excited to see that anything that, anything that brings forth the gospel 00:10:06.100 --> 00:10:16.420 and in an unusual way, you know? Yeah. Um, I have my, uh, my friend here, my puppet friend, 00:10:16.420 --> 00:10:22.820 Gramps, you know, and I've used him in my ministry. We traveled for 13 years in full-time ministry. And I, 00:10:23.300 --> 00:10:29.860 and I, you know, I really don't like using Gramps, but I've been forced by the Holy Spirit to bring him 00:10:29.860 --> 00:10:37.380 in, in a proper time to make the children laugh and get their attention. And, and so, uh, 00:10:38.980 --> 00:10:45.780 we need to use our talent and ability any way we can and give it to God and he will anoint it and, 00:10:45.780 --> 00:10:51.940 and you'll be blessed in a, in a wonderful way. You may think you, you can't talk in front of a camera. 00:10:51.940 --> 00:10:56.980 You may think you, you know, you're, you're singing voices, not that good, but God will anoint it. You 00:10:56.980 --> 00:11:04.180 give it to the Lord. Let him receive all the glory and praise for what you do and hold on to your hat. 00:11:04.180 --> 00:11:10.900 It's wonderful to be used by God, knowing that you are a blessing to people. And I'm telling you, 00:11:10.900 --> 00:11:20.100 we're living in troubling times right now. Satan knows his time is short. And because of that, 00:11:20.100 --> 00:11:29.620 he's working overtime with his demons raging across the country, just bringing havoc into marriages 00:11:30.740 --> 00:11:38.900 and into the church. So folks, we need to band together, be praying and believing God. And I'm, 00:11:38.900 --> 00:11:45.220 I personally believe the rapture's about to take place anytime. I'm telling you that we're that close. 00:11:45.940 --> 00:11:48.340 Yeah. And I'm ready. Well, and it's, that's, I mean, 00:11:48.340 --> 00:11:54.180 that's one of the reasons why we lean in so heavily doing, doing digital. Um, and it's not to downplay 00:11:54.180 --> 00:12:01.060 what happens in, in physical ministry. It's, but what, what we find is, is that by doing something 00:12:01.060 --> 00:12:06.740 different, we're able to engage in dialogue with different people. Uh, the people that you're 00:12:06.740 --> 00:12:12.020 interacting with in, in virtual reality are not the types of people that off are often going to 00:12:12.020 --> 00:12:18.020 physical church buildings. Uh, they're, they're not, they're afraid to, they don't fit in, in those 00:12:18.020 --> 00:12:23.460 spaces. And so, I mean, there's just so many questions I want to get into. Plus I want to 00:12:23.460 --> 00:12:29.140 meet Gramps at some point as well, but, uh, why don't we do that? Can we just meet? Let's get him 00:12:29.140 --> 00:12:35.780 over with here. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Oh, Hey, you know, the, the funny thing is I call my, 00:12:35.780 --> 00:12:41.860 my kids call my father Gramps and that looks a lot like Gramps. That's, that's really funny. 00:12:41.860 --> 00:12:48.340 Thank you. Thank you. I really appreciate that. Yeah. Wow. This is cool. Look at a computer here 00:12:48.340 --> 00:12:56.900 and a microphone. Hey, this is great. This is great. Wow. So wow. Okay. So virtual reality 00:12:56.900 --> 00:13:01.780 and a puppet. What, how does all this come together? Like, who are you? 00:13:02.980 --> 00:13:08.820 Well, for first of all, I have to get in front of Mr. Pete so you don't see his lips move when I talk. 00:13:13.780 --> 00:13:24.020 Oh, so good. Anyway, we're in big screen and we're in 3d and my face comes right into the camera. 00:13:24.020 --> 00:13:37.620 Hello folks. So you need to come into big screen and see Mr. Pete in 3d. 3d stands for dumb and really dumb. 00:13:37.620 --> 00:13:43.860 And this is dumb or something like, I'm not quite sure. That is, that is 3ds. Yeah. 00:13:44.980 --> 00:13:49.940 Nice meeting you. Bye. I didn't realize I was going to be the straight man for a puppet when 00:13:49.940 --> 00:13:57.140 I woke up this morning. So thank you for completing that, that dream. So, uh, you, you do, you do 00:13:57.780 --> 00:14:03.860 pop it like, no. Okay. Big screen, your avatar, but you also have the ability to be on video, 00:14:03.860 --> 00:14:09.140 like, you know, on a big giant screen in a, in the big screen world. And so I believe I'm the only 00:14:09.140 --> 00:14:16.820 person I'm the, I'm, I believe I'm the only person in big screen that they can see live in 3d 00:14:18.420 --> 00:14:23.940 because I built my own cameras. I have the cameras. You have to have two cameras with OBS 00:14:25.140 --> 00:14:33.380 and it works great. And, uh, the people actually can see the real me and, uh, I I've done some 00:14:33.380 --> 00:14:39.540 crazy things. I put on my headset and walked outdoors. And while I'm walking, I'm broadcasting 00:14:39.540 --> 00:14:45.700 in big screen and people see outdoors. And then if I create a circle, a boundary and step into that 00:14:45.700 --> 00:14:51.700 boundary, I come into the room and I'm in the room with the people. I know it's complicated. Let's 00:14:51.700 --> 00:15:02.500 uh, no, no, no. So why, why VR? Like what, what, what is it about big screen? Why not? I mean, 00:15:02.500 --> 00:15:09.140 why not go be at a physical church somewhere? Why not do this like in, in Facebook or WhatsApp or, 00:15:09.140 --> 00:15:13.300 I mean, shoot, even tick tock, you would be, would be interesting and old man with a puppet. 00:15:13.300 --> 00:15:18.260 Like how, what, why did you pick virtual reality, big screen as, as the platform of choice here? 00:15:19.620 --> 00:15:26.420 Well, first of all, like I said before, I'm fascinated with 3d and have been as a young 00:15:26.420 --> 00:15:32.740 teenager with the view master reels. I still have four view masters and a whole bunch of reels. 00:15:33.780 --> 00:15:41.780 And, um, so 3d is, uh, is I'm fascinated with. And so when I learned at the quest, when you put it on, 00:15:41.780 --> 00:15:53.460 you see things in 3d, not knowing that it can turn into a amazing, wonderful way of ministry. And, uh, 00:15:55.300 --> 00:16:02.100 so, um, uh, when I put on my headset, one of the first things I did, I met Elena and, and, uh, 00:16:02.820 --> 00:16:11.700 DJ Soto and, uh, I attended a couple of their services. And one day DJ Soto asked me to open in 00:16:11.700 --> 00:16:17.620 prayer. And I just about fell out of my chair because that's, that's what I love to do is, is, 00:16:17.620 --> 00:16:26.020 is, is pray for people and open and close in prayer. And, uh, so, um, I don't own a car. I, 00:16:26.020 --> 00:16:33.620 I have very little money. My headset was bought by another individual, uh, who knew that I was in VR. 00:16:33.620 --> 00:16:40.260 He paid, paid for my headset. This laptop I'm talking on was bought for me by another 00:16:40.260 --> 00:16:47.860 ministry in California that knows I'm involved. Uh, because I was in ministry for 13 years full time, 00:16:47.860 --> 00:16:55.940 I paid no social security. So we sold our home and everything we own and, and came here to Northern 00:16:55.940 --> 00:17:02.180 Alabama and help our daughter buy this home that we're, that we're in and which happened to have a 00:17:02.180 --> 00:17:07.300 mother-in-law apartment. So we have our own little apartment and our own bedroom, bathroom and living 00:17:07.300 --> 00:17:15.540 room. And it just worked out. The Lord just worked it out amazingly. So, um, I just, I've always been 00:17:15.540 --> 00:17:23.220 fascinated with 3d and, and, and, and playing with a puppet because I had a howdy duty puppet when I was 00:17:23.940 --> 00:17:33.060 you with a kid. And I still have that holiday, howdy duty puppet today, but anything we enjoy doing, 00:17:33.620 --> 00:17:41.860 if you can incorporate it into ministry to bless other people, that's what you need to do. What hobby 00:17:41.860 --> 00:17:49.220 are you interested in? There's other people that's, that's interested in the same hobby you're interested 00:17:49.220 --> 00:17:57.300 in and you can utilize that to bring the gospel in there, to bring prayer in there, to be a blessing 00:17:57.300 --> 00:18:03.380 to people who may not be Christian, who don't go to church. I'm a ham radio operator and I, 00:18:03.620 --> 00:18:13.220 I talk, I know I don't want to sound like I know it all, but I, in big screen, I have a program 00:18:14.260 --> 00:18:21.220 it's called echo link. And with this microphone, I talk to ham radio operators all over the world 00:18:21.860 --> 00:18:27.940 and I bring it into big screen. Now you don't see the person I'm talking to, but you can hear him 00:18:28.740 --> 00:18:37.220 and you follow all the rules and regulations by the FCC and people come in my room and, and they actually 00:18:37.220 --> 00:18:43.860 see me live up in the screen in 2d. And then I have pictures of Microsoft flight simulator flashing on 00:18:43.860 --> 00:18:50.020 the bottom of the screen. And then echo link is on the other side of the big screen. And it is, it's, 00:18:50.020 --> 00:18:55.140 it's really cool. And when I, some of the ham operators, I explained to them what I'm doing, 00:18:56.500 --> 00:19:06.500 they said, what, you know, because it's broadcasting, it's rebroadcasting. And that's what ham operators. 00:19:06.500 --> 00:19:15.060 And one time I talked to a ham operator and he went out and bought a quest headset. And the next day 00:19:15.060 --> 00:19:22.500 came into my room while I was broadcasting. Oh wow. And so that's happened before, but yeah, 00:19:22.500 --> 00:19:30.020 I'm telling you, brother, I appreciate your ministry. You are a blessing. I know, I know that sometimes it 00:19:30.020 --> 00:19:35.540 could be, Oh, here we go. I got to get on here, but you know, there's an anointing there. It's, 00:19:35.540 --> 00:19:43.060 it is necessary. And I love it that you're promoting virtual reality because my, some of my friends 00:19:43.060 --> 00:19:50.500 think I'm crazy and that's a kid's thing or that's of the devil. And yes, there is, there is bad stuff 00:19:50.500 --> 00:19:57.380 in big screen. Absolutely. Big screen is the worst for garbage and stuff, believe you me, but you don't 00:19:57.380 --> 00:20:03.300 have to click on it, you know? Yeah. You, you know, well, I mean, you, you are probably a little 00:20:03.300 --> 00:20:08.740 crazy. I mean, let's, let's, let's, let's call it a state. Yeah, you have 1 Peter 2.9, 1 Peter 2.9, 00:20:08.740 --> 00:20:14.740 a peculiar, very peculiar person. Yeah. I mean, you're, you're, you're, you're talking about Howdy 00:20:14.740 --> 00:20:20.820 Doody and ham radios, uh, of, of the majority of people you're interacting with in virtual reality, 00:20:20.820 --> 00:20:27.180 we're not alive and have no context of what a Howdy Doody is or a ham radio. I know my kids don't, 00:20:27.740 --> 00:20:32.580 um, I don't even think I was alive for, for either one of those at a high capacity level. 00:20:33.060 --> 00:20:39.120 Um, but you're, you're using it to, to engage and to build relationships with kids, you know, even, 00:20:39.120 --> 00:20:44.700 even Microsoft flight simulator and using it. Um, I mean, just what a, what a, 00:20:44.740 --> 00:20:52.020 a rich opportunity to, to engage with kids, um, you engage with people in unique spaces. So, 00:20:52.020 --> 00:20:58.980 so like, do you know, can you tell me maybe some of the relationships or like what types of people 00:20:58.980 --> 00:21:07.220 you're, you're engaging with through big screen? Well, I mean, it's both just people come into my room 00:21:07.220 --> 00:21:15.540 and, um, um, they, they see what I'm doing and in flight simulator, um, that's in 2d on the big giant 00:21:15.540 --> 00:21:23.460 screen. And I asked them where they live. And in most cases I fly an ultralight and I, I fly over 00:21:23.460 --> 00:21:30.420 over where they live and, and most generally not always because seeing up in the air and besides 00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:37.860 it's being maps too, it's not Google or just being maps and being maps is a 3d rendering of the whole 00:21:37.860 --> 00:21:45.780 world. Yeah. And, uh, anyway, in most cases, I mean, when you fly over, uh, Mount, uh, over the, uh, 00:21:46.820 --> 00:21:52.740 in New York city, you recognize the, the, where the twin towers stood, you can see the, the squares on 00:21:52.740 --> 00:21:59.300 the ground and the freedom building. And so a lot of time you re you will recognize. And so for some 00:21:59.300 --> 00:22:06.980 of the people to see them where they live in a very unusual way. And I just like, you can fly everywhere. 00:22:06.980 --> 00:22:12.420 I love flying in Hawaii because there's a particular place in Hawaii where there's a whole bunch of 00:22:12.420 --> 00:22:21.060 dinosaurs. I mean, all the different dinosaurs are roaming in this big park in, in, uh, Hawaii and 00:22:21.060 --> 00:22:29.060 in my hook, a soft flight simulator, I bought a Jeep for it's like $12 addition to the game. And it's an 00:22:29.060 --> 00:22:38.820 electric four wheel drive Jeep that I actually have been sitting in and I steer and control. And so I love 00:22:38.820 --> 00:22:43.700 chasing dinosaurs. You have to come in the big screen and see it to believe it. Cause 00:22:46.580 --> 00:22:52.020 I'm not actually sure if you're saying that, that Hawaii actually has a real live Jurassic Park 00:22:52.020 --> 00:23:05.380 or if it's just in VR at this moment, like VR. Oh man, that's, that's so cool. The, uh, so 00:23:07.220 --> 00:23:16.820 where did the idea come from? Like, did you find big screen technology first? Did you, uh, 00:23:17.780 --> 00:23:24.500 big screen is just, I mean, I would say it's not one of the more popular worlds and it's, 00:23:24.500 --> 00:23:30.500 you almost have to like stumble into big screen to experience it. So what, what was like the, uh, 00:23:30.500 --> 00:23:35.780 what's the, uh, what's the prequel story? How did you end up in big screen? 00:23:36.980 --> 00:23:46.660 Well, I found the app back years ago and it was very poor. People would, uh, play movies you on your 00:23:46.660 --> 00:23:53.140 laptop. If you have a movie in your laptop, you can play it on the screen, but I'm telling you it would 00:23:53.140 --> 00:24:01.540 pixelate it. It was, you know, sometimes it would look good, but big screens come a long way. They 00:24:01.540 --> 00:24:08.340 have done some major things. And in fact, for years, you could only have 15 people in your room. 00:24:08.340 --> 00:24:13.940 And that's one reason, uh, there are a couple of churches that I would like to be part of, but you 00:24:13.940 --> 00:24:22.500 can only get 15 people. Now you can get 30 people in your room. Okay. And so, um, but a lot of the 00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:28.420 ministries are staying away from big screen because yeah, there is a lot of garbage there, but you don't, 00:24:28.420 --> 00:24:35.300 again, it's, it's another, you have to click on it, be on it. You know, where, where did Jesus go? 00:24:35.300 --> 00:24:42.340 He went into the bars. He went to where the centers were, but I've had some Christian friends. Oh man, 00:24:42.340 --> 00:24:49.940 I wouldn't go in there. Well, okay. But listen, I could tell you, I could tell you some horror 00:24:49.940 --> 00:24:55.940 stories around Christians and their opinions of virtual reality. Um, you can just, you can just go on my 00:24:55.940 --> 00:25:02.580 YouTube and look, look at some of the content, some of the comments, some of the, uh, the most, um, 00:25:02.580 --> 00:25:12.180 bitter, angry people I've, I've ever interacted with online are, are purported Christians who are just, uh, 00:25:12.180 --> 00:25:21.860 angry over virtual reality. Anything made of man cannot be of God. Um, God, the Holy Spirit cannot exist in 00:25:21.860 --> 00:25:26.580 virtual reality. Stuff like that. It just makes me, makes me smile. The Holy Spirit cannot exist in 00:25:26.580 --> 00:25:28.500 virtual reality. Okay. 00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:30.340 It's a kid thing, a little toy. 00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:36.980 Well, I mean, let's, let's just, let's just pause. If let's, let's just, let's just take it to an extreme. 00:25:36.980 --> 00:25:42.580 And, you know, I say this all the time here on the stream, but if, for example, Mark Zuckerberg really 00:25:42.580 --> 00:25:51.860 did create a box, if man has now created a box that God is not allowed in, holy crap. Like, 00:25:51.940 --> 00:25:59.380 from a theological standpoint, we got major problems because man is now boxing in and out God. Like, 00:25:59.380 --> 00:26:06.820 God is not, uh, omniscient. God is not omnipotent. God is, is, is not all powerful. He's not all-knowing. 00:26:06.820 --> 00:26:14.260 Man controls God. So by, by definition, theologically, of course, God can go into virtual reality. He is 00:26:14.260 --> 00:26:20.180 everywhere and knows everything. Not to mention the fact that he knows the people that are controlling 00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:25.220 these devices. And so, you know, I always, I always smile from the theological standpoint when 00:26:25.220 --> 00:26:31.460 people are like, yeah, God can't go into, into virtual reality. Um, but you know, and it is, 00:26:31.460 --> 00:26:36.900 it is dark. Uh, I've, I've, one of the, one of the books that I wrote was on churches and virtual 00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:42.900 reality. You know, I see you've, you've gotten a lot of love. Uh, you know, Dave D here is talking 00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:50.180 about the, the old days back in all space VR. I miss the all VR days. And, uh, you know, all space 00:26:50.740 --> 00:26:57.780 was, uh, was very powerful back in the day. And it was a, but it was like a, um, it was a safe space. 00:26:57.780 --> 00:27:04.900 It was owned by Microsoft. Microsoft had parental controls ever. Yeah. And, um, you know, now that 00:27:04.900 --> 00:27:10.420 Microsoft has, has, you know, Swan Song didn't shut that down. It's interesting. The, a lot of 00:27:10.420 --> 00:27:16.660 the areas are not as safe as it was back in the Microsoft days, safe in, in quotes, but you know, 00:27:16.660 --> 00:27:24.740 VR chat is, you know, D D, uh, DJ calls it, uh, the, uh, the wild, wild west of virtual reality. I've 00:27:24.740 --> 00:27:30.740 called it the, the red light district. Um, you know, even in like rec room, you're, you're going 00:27:30.740 --> 00:27:35.220 to get cussed out by some like 12 year old kid that, you know, needs to get slapped upside the 00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:41.940 head. Uh, like things just even like I've been in big screen and just, you know, seeing ruckus 00:27:41.940 --> 00:27:48.020 happen over there, uh, with some of, some of the strong personalities that, that exist in, in virtual 00:27:48.020 --> 00:27:54.420 reality. Uh, it's interesting, Dave saying here, big screen has its place, but it's harder to interact 00:27:54.420 --> 00:28:03.860 one-on-one in big screen. What's the, what's the typical person in your opinion, you know, like 00:28:03.860 --> 00:28:09.700 what's the, the customer profile user profile of the person that hangs out in big screen? 00:28:11.460 --> 00:28:17.300 Well, one thing big screen is that I want us, I'm, I want to mention DJ Soto, you know, when I first 00:28:17.300 --> 00:28:24.900 come into, into, into VR and I come into VR church and he was the pastor. And again, when he asked me 00:28:24.900 --> 00:28:32.580 to open in prayer that, that really encouraged me to really get more involved in VR, but, uh, and big screen 00:28:32.580 --> 00:28:42.020 again, what they've recently have done is they allow you to put a lot of information in, in the tagline 00:28:42.020 --> 00:28:50.820 of what your room is all about. See, before you could put four words, but now I got in there, 00:28:52.180 --> 00:29:00.660 Microsoft flight simulator, ham radio, Christian chat, gospel prayer, you know, and that, that 00:29:01.620 --> 00:29:08.900 tells what your room is, is all about. And so people look for that. And, but I still have ordinary 00:29:08.900 --> 00:29:15.220 people, people of the world come in there, but, uh, most generally they're pretty respectful. When I'm 00:29:15.220 --> 00:29:21.460 talking on the ham radio, they, they're, if they talk, I can hear them, but the person I'm talking to 00:29:21.460 --> 00:29:26.420 doesn't, but they, they're both basically want to know what's going on and they'll ask some questions. 00:29:27.060 --> 00:29:36.820 But, um, I, I tell you, I appreciate big screen so much. And there there's individuals that come 00:29:36.820 --> 00:29:43.860 in there that are just don't have a friend to talk to. And, and if there's anything I can say or make 00:29:43.860 --> 00:29:52.820 them laugh or show some of my 3d pictures, I mean, I have, I've gotten, I follow this ministry. 00:29:52.820 --> 00:30:01.540 It's Amir Sadafadi. I highly recommend anyone on Facebook or, uh, on a telegram to type in Amir 00:30:01.540 --> 00:30:07.860 Sadafadi. He lives in Israel. He's an evangelist. He travels the world and ministers everywhere. And he brings, 00:30:07.860 --> 00:30:15.940 uh, pictures of the war going on over there. And I've got over 80 pictures of the, uh, what the IDF 00:30:15.940 --> 00:30:21.620 soldiers are fighting and I've turned them all into 3d and it, and, uh, it is just amazing to see. 00:30:22.500 --> 00:30:27.860 And the dogs, they use dogs in their battles. And I've collected a whole bunch of pictures of 00:30:27.860 --> 00:30:34.100 these German separate dogs. It's very cool to see, especially when you can see it in 3d and that, 00:30:34.740 --> 00:30:43.060 and I've recently discovered an app. See, 3d consists of one eye, left eye, right eye to create 3d. 00:30:44.100 --> 00:30:50.420 And so there are different ways. Uh, I actually take my cell phone. Anybody can do this. 00:30:50.420 --> 00:30:56.100 Hold your cell phone up, take a photograph and move it just a few inches. Take a second photograph. 00:30:56.100 --> 00:31:04.100 Now you've got two photographs in your cell phone and there's a program called, uh, uh, um, 00:31:05.060 --> 00:31:13.940 owl, owl, 3d, O W L it's free. And it'll take those two pictures, put them together, turn them into a 00:31:13.940 --> 00:31:19.620 3d photograph that you can see in big screen. And if you're on your cell phone, you have these little 00:31:19.620 --> 00:31:24.260 glasses, you clip onto the cell phone and look through the glasses. You can see the picture on 00:31:24.260 --> 00:31:33.460 your cell phone in 3d. And so, um, it's, you know, we will use our talent and, and the things we do to, 00:31:33.940 --> 00:31:44.420 it's like honey to draw the bees, to draw the people, to hear a word from the Lord, to hear 00:31:44.420 --> 00:31:52.820 prayer, to be encouraged, to know that heaven is real and hell is real. And you must accept Jesus 00:31:52.820 --> 00:32:01.220 Christ as Lord and Savior. If you want to make heaven your home and you have to do it. I mean, I, 00:32:01.220 --> 00:32:07.940 I'm not a hellfire and damnation preacher, but I'm strong believer of the soon return of Jesus and, 00:32:07.940 --> 00:32:13.700 and others aren't. And that's fine. Cause he'll, he'll surprise us all here. No one has the day and 00:32:13.700 --> 00:32:19.700 hour. I hate that when someone throws that in my face, nobody does a day and hour. Well, I know you're 00:32:19.700 --> 00:32:27.220 right, but you know what I'm saying. Sure. I don't know if I answered your question or not. 00:32:27.220 --> 00:32:34.340 No, this, this is, this is, this is phenomenal. I love it. Do you, do you find the same? I mean, 00:32:34.340 --> 00:32:40.740 listen, you've gotten so much love from, from people in chat already. Like I just kind of want to roll 00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:47.460 through, uh, through, through some of these, um, you know, Dave D mentioned earlier, I've talked with 00:32:47.460 --> 00:32:55.940 Mr. Pete. Great to see you, Mr. Pete. El Michelle is excited. Mr. Pete, uh, David Mackey. Uh, hi, 00:32:55.940 --> 00:33:03.860 Pete, uh, Cheddar's coming in from the outside. Great. Uh, sharing, uh, Mr. Pete and so real blessing 00:33:03.860 --> 00:33:11.940 Cheddar's and his dad. Absolutely. I wouldn't be here right now. If it wasn't for Cheddar's dad, 00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:19.220 I'll tell you that. Wow. Yeah. Tell me the story. Uh, well, just let me say, he blessed me. 00:33:19.220 --> 00:33:26.980 Awesome. Bless, bless me to be able to have this laptop. Very cool. I love that. Cheddar's, 00:33:26.980 --> 00:33:32.980 Cheddar's you, the, the virtual reality conference would not have happened if not for Cheddar's. 00:33:32.980 --> 00:33:39.300 Oh yeah. So I got to talk to him and he was so busy. He was like a chicken with running around there, 00:33:39.300 --> 00:33:46.580 but he did stop. And he said, it was cool. I, I, oh man, you put him, you put him through his 00:33:46.580 --> 00:33:53.460 bases, but, and Cheddar's had been, and Cheddar's is the one that helped me start my 3d photos in, 00:33:53.460 --> 00:34:00.740 in, uh, and we are actually, you know, he helped me learn to put together the pictures and bring them 00:34:00.740 --> 00:34:08.020 into 3d. Yeah. And Ben, his dad, Ben, his dad lives in California every Wednesday night for the past 00:34:09.460 --> 00:34:16.340 five, six years, we've had Bible study and that has been very cool. And it's open to anybody that 00:34:16.340 --> 00:34:26.580 would like to join us on, um, um, what is the app we use? See, that's the problem being over 80 years old. 00:34:28.100 --> 00:34:34.660 Uh, zoom, zoom. You, you got big screen down. You struggled with zoom. That's funny. That's really funny. Okay. 00:34:34.660 --> 00:34:44.900 Um, so do you see the same people in big screen? Is it new people each week? Like, like tell what, 00:34:44.900 --> 00:34:50.980 how, how are you building relationships who, and like, talk to me a little bit about that in, in big screen? 00:34:50.980 --> 00:34:59.620 Yeah. Every once in a while, someone new will come in. And, uh, I just had a gentleman come into my room 00:34:59.620 --> 00:35:05.940 and he's one thing, if you get somebody come in your room and they're there in there for like a half an 00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:12.980 hour, well, then, you know, they're interested in learning or wanting to know what I'm doing or how 00:35:12.980 --> 00:35:21.460 I'm doing it and to hold their attention that long. And, uh, and so I try to explain how I create 3d photos. 00:35:22.180 --> 00:35:29.060 And, uh, the one gentleman who was a ham operator wanted to know how, how am I, what am I using 00:35:29.060 --> 00:35:35.060 to talk to people all over the world? And I said, I explained to him, it's called echo link. I had, 00:35:35.060 --> 00:35:41.540 I've had echo link since its beginning. I've met the creators and what it is, it's a, it's a, uh, uh, 00:35:41.540 --> 00:35:48.980 uh, internet based program that connects you to repeaters all over the world. So when I talk 00:35:48.980 --> 00:35:55.300 through the computer, I'm actually talking over the air to anybody that has a walkie talkie or a 00:35:55.300 --> 00:36:04.260 mobile or a bass radio, and you definitely have to be a licensed hammer anyway. Um, and so, uh, and then 00:36:04.260 --> 00:36:10.100 of course they know that I'm a Christian. I, I tell them I'm a preacher and love the Lord and I, 00:36:10.100 --> 00:36:15.220 and I want to share Jesus and I, you have to be careful doing it through ham radio, by the way, 00:36:16.420 --> 00:36:21.620 the rules against that. But if you're talking to somebody one-to-one and it's not through a 00:36:21.620 --> 00:36:30.980 repeater, of course you can, but it all boils down to what we're doing is one word people 00:36:34.580 --> 00:36:44.820 encouragement of blessing, helping them, making them laugh, let them feel the presence and the 00:36:44.820 --> 00:36:53.700 anointing of Jesus, letting them know they are loved by God. It's the devil that brings guilt and 00:36:53.700 --> 00:37:03.380 condemnation. And, and the little things we do in VR for the kingdom, they count. That's the situation with 00:37:03.380 --> 00:37:09.140 some people involved in church and VR. They just, they may feel that what am I doing? You know, 00:37:09.140 --> 00:37:18.100 I only had two people in my room, but I'm going to tell you what in the eternities it is written down 00:37:18.660 --> 00:37:26.340 and it will be accounted to you of what you've done for the ministry. Every little thing we do to bless 00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:32.660 people, to honor and to worship God, uh, is, is accounted to in the eternities. 00:37:32.660 --> 00:37:37.140 Wow. Well, I mean, that's, that's an interesting line that you just said right there. Everything 00:37:37.140 --> 00:37:44.100 you do to bless people. I've got, uh, Ella Bella here. Uh, Mr. Pete is an amazing person. We met on VR. 00:37:44.100 --> 00:37:53.860 He is a blessing in my life, known him for five years. Praise God. So you've, you met Ella Bella 00:37:53.860 --> 00:38:03.540 in, in VR and I'm trying to think who it is. I, I, it's awesome too. Um, but it's, it's cool that this 00:38:03.540 --> 00:38:11.140 person, even without that still credits you, uh, and, uh, an impact in their life. How many, how many 00:38:11.140 --> 00:38:18.500 people would you say like you've had a relationship with, uh, Chuck said that is, is what I'm getting. 00:38:19.300 --> 00:38:25.220 Um, I don't know if that helps as well, Chuck, but Ella Bella and Dita vids, uh, they're, 00:38:25.220 --> 00:38:33.380 they're saying it's Chuck. Um, who is like, how, how many people, how long, first off, 00:38:33.380 --> 00:38:36.500 how long have you been doing this? How many years, five years longer? 00:38:38.420 --> 00:38:47.860 Uh, since 2018, the beginning of 2018. Okay. Pre COVID seven, seven years plus at this point. 00:38:48.900 --> 00:38:51.780 I didn't even know Big Screen was around in 2018. Wow. 00:38:54.100 --> 00:39:01.060 Let me, let me kind of back up. My, my, my first job was really working for the CNO railroad 00:39:01.700 --> 00:39:10.260 aboard the steamships on Lake Michigan, well over a quarter million miles back and forth from Milwaukee, 00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:19.220 Manawak, Kewanee, Wisconsin, over a period of six years. After that job, I worked at a local radio station 00:39:20.100 --> 00:39:29.380 and it was there, uh, that I developed a speaking voice and I recorded a record about the steamship. 00:39:29.380 --> 00:39:35.220 And that record run a 45 RPM was on every jukebox in the area and went over really big. And it was just 00:39:35.220 --> 00:39:42.500 me and my guitar, no backup or anything. And, and because it related to the people that live in that 00:39:42.500 --> 00:39:51.380 area. And that was the Lord getting me ready for ministry. Uh, and you know, I built my sound system with 00:39:51.380 --> 00:39:58.180 special effects. I played a 12 string guitar and a harmonica and a Suzuki Omnicord, all three at, 00:39:58.180 --> 00:40:11.860 at the same time, through this system that I built. And, and I do not have a singing voice. Let me encourage somebody, you, you know, you love to sing and, and you know that you don't really have it. But, you know, 00:40:11.860 --> 00:40:18.500 you know, we're singing for the Lord and it's not necessarily the tonal quality, but it's what you're 00:40:18.500 --> 00:40:33.860 singing about. And if you enunciate your words and it's clear, that's what people enjoyed. And, and I, I got away with it and had the honor and the privilege to be in dozens and dozens of small churches across the Eastern United States, 00:40:33.860 --> 00:40:57.860 from Wilmington, North Carolina, to Charlotte, North Carolina, to Greenville, Rock Hill, uh, you know, and, and, and, and today, I, I'm still in contact with some of those churches. And, and we're talking many years ago throughout the 1990s. And it was the Lord developing me in ministry. And I want to say this, 00:40:57.860 --> 00:41:09.860 I want to say this, or I don't know if I, I do not have a high school education. I had to quit because I was in a foster home, been in children's homes and foster homes my whole life. 00:41:09.860 --> 00:41:25.860 I was in a foster home and the state quit paying my room and board. So they kicked me out. I had to get a job. And, uh, so for me to work at that radio station, to read the news over the air, 00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:38.860 I got away with it. I know I mispronounced words, but it was a small market radio station, but it was the Lord training me for ministry. 00:41:38.860 --> 00:42:03.860 And I'm able to read the Bible and not sound like I'm reading it. And, you know, that's a gift from God. And, and I just, I, we need, we, you and I, everyone need to use your talent and ability, your hobbies for the, for the kingdom. 00:42:03.860 --> 00:42:12.860 All that can be used to bless people, encourage people. And, and some of you have it in you and don't know it. 00:42:12.860 --> 00:42:20.860 So I'm challenging you right now in the name of Jesus, you've got a gift that is very, very important to the kingdom. 00:42:20.860 --> 00:42:30.860 We're living in a day and hour. Time is short. God is doing a new thing. He's saying, behold, I will do a new thing. Shall ye not know it? 00:42:30.860 --> 00:42:41.860 I am going to make a way in the wilderness and in the rivers and the deserts of your life to bring forth refreshing to his children, to the body of Christ. 00:42:41.860 --> 00:42:47.860 And God is going to use you in a special way. I pronounce that on your life right now. 00:42:47.860 --> 00:42:50.860 You, you haven't seen anything yet. Wow. 00:42:50.860 --> 00:42:56.860 Oh my goodness. I'm excited for you right now. There's some of you right now receiving that in Jesus name. 00:42:56.860 --> 00:42:57.860 Amen. 00:42:57.860 --> 00:43:00.860 You've been doing ministry for quite a long time here. 00:43:00.860 --> 00:43:06.860 Um, what are some lessons you've learned? What other knowledge can you pass on here? 00:43:06.860 --> 00:43:15.860 Fight discouragement. 00:43:15.860 --> 00:43:19.860 That's good. 00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:27.860 Check your discouragement and put it in the Bible and trust God. 00:43:27.860 --> 00:43:30.860 Override it. Don't let it stop you. 00:43:30.860 --> 00:43:39.860 Don't let depression, discouragement and lack stop you. 00:43:39.860 --> 00:43:42.860 You're quick to say, I don't have the finances. 00:43:42.860 --> 00:43:46.860 I don't have the ability. I don't have the equipment. 00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:49.860 Those things will all be in their place. 00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:50.860 God wants you. 00:43:50.860 --> 00:43:56.860 And if it's just a little thing you start out with in ministry by speaking to someone encouraging words. 00:43:56.860 --> 00:44:10.860 And, uh, you know, I've, I have fought discouragement, terrible, terrible in my ministry, uh, because of lack of finances mainly and, and also a lack of opportunities to minister. 00:44:10.860 --> 00:44:16.860 And you, when PTL did what they did, I, I was at PTL during that time. 00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:18.860 I met jam, Tammy Baker. 00:44:18.860 --> 00:44:26.860 I met Jim Baker and I was very, was, I was, I was programmed or I was invited to work for PTL. 00:44:26.860 --> 00:44:27.860 Hmm. 00:44:27.860 --> 00:44:35.860 And, uh, and I was at the campground, staying at PTL and, um, was all set for an interview. 00:44:35.860 --> 00:44:44.860 And I met somebody from the four square denomination and they have a church camp in Hendersonville. 00:44:44.860 --> 00:44:49.860 And they, they asked me to come to church camp and come in and minister my music. 00:44:50.860 --> 00:44:53.860 And boy, the spirit of the Lord told me, that's what I want you to do. 00:44:53.860 --> 00:44:54.860 Oh, wow. 00:44:54.860 --> 00:45:02.860 And so I, I'm glad I never did go to work for PTL cause I would have been right in the middle of everything that happened. 00:45:03.860 --> 00:45:10.860 And so in 1984, I become licensed with the four square, uh, international, uh, Southeast district. 00:45:11.860 --> 00:45:14.860 And, uh, that was a real blessing. 00:45:14.860 --> 00:45:17.860 And a lot of the different four square churches opened up for us and ministry. 00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:25.860 But you have to, I, I still fight discouragement even today thinking I'm not doing anything. 00:45:25.860 --> 00:45:32.860 And the devil, it's, it's, I don't, we say devil this, we say devil that it's demonic forces. 00:45:32.860 --> 00:45:35.860 They're the ones that are, the devil's not omnipresent. 00:45:36.860 --> 00:45:44.860 You know, it's demonic beings by the thousands that surround us that are constantly battling your mind and your thoughts in your body. 00:45:44.860 --> 00:45:52.860 And so we just start worshiping Jesus, calling upon the name of Jesus, raise your hands, close your eyes, raise your chin. 00:45:52.860 --> 00:45:53.860 Jesus, I love you. 00:45:53.860 --> 00:45:58.860 I worship you regardless of circumstances, regardless of what's happening. 00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:00.860 I give you honor and glory and praise. 00:46:00.860 --> 00:46:02.860 And I sometimes spend hours doing that. 00:46:02.860 --> 00:46:07.860 And, uh, you know, my main thing in my ministry really was worship. 00:46:08.860 --> 00:46:22.860 My music, I would, my main thing in ministry, I would take my 12 string guitar that had a, uh, harmonizer effect, digital reverb. 00:46:22.860 --> 00:46:30.860 And I would strum that guitar and keep it within one melody and a melody line, not changing chords. 00:46:30.860 --> 00:46:33.860 And that's how you sing a new song. 00:46:33.860 --> 00:46:40.860 And so it's, and I encourage people to make up words and they would catch that melody and they would sing it out. 00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:42.860 Oh my goodness. 00:46:42.860 --> 00:46:44.860 You get some people in the church doing that. 00:46:44.860 --> 00:46:46.860 And it is absolutely wonderful. 00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:49.860 And it's what the Bible says to sing a new song. 00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:55.860 There's, there's, uh, spiritual songs, hymns and spiritual songs, hymns. 00:46:55.860 --> 00:46:58.860 We sing from the hymn book, spiritual songs, a new song. 00:46:58.860 --> 00:47:02.860 And there's, and there's singing in the, in our heavenly language too. 00:47:02.860 --> 00:47:03.860 Yeah. 00:47:03.860 --> 00:47:09.860 So have, have you thought about, or how does music tie into what you're doing in big screen? 00:47:09.860 --> 00:47:11.860 Have, have you been able to integrate it in at all? 00:47:11.860 --> 00:47:12.860 At all? 00:47:12.860 --> 00:47:20.860 You know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a little sad to say that I have, I have given my guitars away. 00:47:20.860 --> 00:47:21.860 Oh wow. 00:47:21.860 --> 00:47:22.860 To my son. 00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:24.860 And I give him one to my son-in-law. 00:47:24.860 --> 00:47:26.860 I haven't played my guitar. 00:47:26.860 --> 00:47:37.860 I, I, I tried playing in, in VR and it doesn't work because the frequency response, the audio is absolutely terrible. 00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:41.860 You, you, it just does not sound good. 00:47:41.860 --> 00:47:43.860 And I've, I've tried it. 00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:52.860 I, I set up my, uh, in the other room where my guitar is and, and I, I played, I, but it just didn't, didn't sound. 00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:55.860 I have my harmonica here and I do play that. 00:47:55.860 --> 00:48:00.860 Uh, but I don't get on that to practice anymore like I used to. 00:48:00.860 --> 00:48:04.860 And, uh, but I got about like 15 harmonicas. 00:48:04.860 --> 00:48:26.860 It takes a lot of hot air to blow one of these. 00:48:26.860 --> 00:48:27.860 He's a nice. 00:48:27.860 --> 00:48:29.860 I'll bet. 00:48:29.860 --> 00:48:31.860 Does, does Gramps play as well? 00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:34.860 Uh, no, no. 00:48:34.860 --> 00:48:40.860 The, my, you're, you're a man of many talents. 00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:49.860 I, I just, uh, and, and I love the fact that you're finding ways to, you know, incorporate all this together in, in using, using technology. 00:48:49.860 --> 00:49:01.860 You know, so often, you know, I meet people that are, um, you know, your age that, that feel like they're, they're retired, their ministry years are behind them. 00:49:01.860 --> 00:49:05.860 And they're, they're ready to hang it up and they're, they're, they're, they're done. 00:49:05.860 --> 00:49:09.860 But, but you're leaning into it and, and really re-embracing. 00:49:09.860 --> 00:49:10.860 I still feel that way though. 00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:13.860 I still feel that, that I'm, I'm done. 00:49:13.860 --> 00:49:14.860 I really do. 00:49:14.860 --> 00:49:16.860 I have to fight that all the time. 00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:18.860 I'll make me speak a little bit to that. 00:49:18.860 --> 00:49:24.860 Like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the temptation to be down on yourself, fighting back. 00:49:24.860 --> 00:49:27.860 Like walk, walk me through a little bit of that. 00:49:27.860 --> 00:49:30.860 Well, now you're going to get me. 00:49:30.860 --> 00:49:31.860 Sorry. 00:49:31.860 --> 00:49:42.860 Yeah, I, well, I mean, it is, it is demonic. 00:49:42.860 --> 00:49:47.860 It is Satan that makes you feel worthless. 00:49:47.860 --> 00:49:50.860 He'll say you don't have money. 00:49:50.860 --> 00:49:53.860 You don't have any talent. 00:49:53.860 --> 00:49:55.860 No one's good to you. 00:49:55.860 --> 00:49:57.860 You're not important. 00:49:57.860 --> 00:50:03.860 They, and you just have to fight those things. 00:50:03.860 --> 00:50:05.860 It's a desire of your heart. 00:50:05.860 --> 00:50:11.860 If you have spoken with your mouth and that this has been the cry of your heart, which is simply this. 00:50:11.860 --> 00:50:15.860 Father, here am I. 00:50:15.860 --> 00:50:17.860 Use me. 00:50:17.860 --> 00:50:21.860 Father, here am I. 00:50:21.860 --> 00:50:23.860 Use me. 00:50:23.860 --> 00:50:25.860 And I leave it at that. 00:50:25.860 --> 00:50:30.860 And, and so, uh, I do what I can do. 00:50:30.860 --> 00:50:32.860 And, and I've been rejected. 00:50:32.860 --> 00:50:33.860 There's a church. 00:50:33.860 --> 00:50:40.860 There's a church that I've been a part of for quite a few years in, in, um, VR chat. 00:50:40.860 --> 00:50:47.860 And the, the pastor, some people in the congregation come against me. 00:50:47.860 --> 00:51:00.860 The pastor never, never defended me, never said anything to stop their, uh, ridicule and, and what the things they were saying to me. 00:51:00.860 --> 00:51:03.860 And so I've never been back. 00:51:03.860 --> 00:51:09.860 I won't, I will not cast my pearl before swine and that they, they don't want to hear you. 00:51:09.860 --> 00:51:12.860 You move on because there's somebody else that will hear you. 00:51:12.860 --> 00:51:16.860 And, uh, but it's, it's demonic. 00:51:16.860 --> 00:51:19.860 It's the devil will stop you for every little thing you're trying to do. 00:51:19.860 --> 00:51:22.860 But I'm telling you, I don't care what anybody says. 00:51:22.860 --> 00:51:24.860 The internet is important. 00:51:24.860 --> 00:51:25.860 This is important. 00:51:26.860 --> 00:51:28.860 Virtual reality is important. 00:51:28.860 --> 00:51:30.860 God is using VR. 00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:35.860 He's, he's saying, behold, I will do a new thing. 00:51:35.860 --> 00:51:37.860 Shall ye not know it? 00:51:38.860 --> 00:51:40.860 So what does that mean? 00:51:41.860 --> 00:51:48.860 To me, that means using electronics and using our brother right here with a tremendous men. 00:51:48.860 --> 00:51:50.860 He promotes other ministries. 00:51:50.860 --> 00:51:53.860 And that is, that's just amazing. 00:51:53.860 --> 00:51:54.860 Brother. 00:51:54.860 --> 00:52:03.860 I just, you are, I mean, your dedication to be in front of that microphone and setting things up and encouraging people. 00:52:03.860 --> 00:52:06.860 I'm telling you, people don't know what's involved in that. 00:52:06.860 --> 00:52:08.860 And I just really honor you for that. 00:52:08.860 --> 00:52:15.860 That's, they just think, oh, he's, it comes on there and he's got his microphone and talk. 00:52:15.860 --> 00:52:27.860 But, you know, and he's got financial needs and he's got family needs and his car and vehicles and property. 00:52:27.860 --> 00:52:31.860 Yeah, I, I appreciate that. 00:52:31.860 --> 00:52:32.860 Thank you. 00:52:32.860 --> 00:52:35.860 I, you know, talk talking about discouragement. 00:52:35.860 --> 00:52:36.860 You know, you don't know me. 00:52:37.860 --> 00:52:45.860 I, the first Bible study I taught, online Bible study, the first online Bible study I taught was in the year 2000. 00:52:45.860 --> 00:52:54.860 I actually graduated from college 99 and thought surely somebody is going to hire me to be a digital pastor after Y2K. 00:52:54.860 --> 00:52:55.860 Yeah. 00:52:55.860 --> 00:53:01.860 I, I, I, I had a calling to be a digital pastor back in 1992 as a, as an eighth grader, 12 years old. 00:53:02.860 --> 00:53:06.860 And, and so, yeah, discouragement's legit. 00:53:06.860 --> 00:53:07.860 It's, it's, it's funny. 00:53:07.860 --> 00:53:22.860 Um, that's actually why we created the church digital was I'd, I'd had, you know, in 2018, when we created the church digital, I'd had dozens of conversations with, with innovative people in the church. 00:53:22.860 --> 00:53:33.860 And, and it's so funny, anytime you do anything, innovation, aim to help churches, like those two words do not go well together, innovation and church. 00:53:33.860 --> 00:53:36.860 Uh, church does not like innovative things. 00:53:36.860 --> 00:53:45.860 And so it's, it's, they're always, I just, I quickly saw this trend of, of people were alone and were isolated. 00:53:45.860 --> 00:53:54.860 And, um, you know, when, when, uh, I actually left the church staff in 2018, cause God told me to leave. 00:53:54.860 --> 00:53:58.860 And, uh, many people assumed, well, it's my time to plant a church. 00:53:58.860 --> 00:54:00.860 And when I prayed, okay, is it my turn? 00:54:00.860 --> 00:54:02.860 Is it my turn to plant? 00:54:02.860 --> 00:54:04.860 Is it my turn to start one myself? 00:54:04.860 --> 00:54:06.860 That wasn't the word. 00:54:06.860 --> 00:54:07.860 The word was help. 00:54:07.860 --> 00:54:13.860 And so, uh, we created the church digital to help those that are planting. 00:54:13.860 --> 00:54:24.860 And, um, you know, the, the, the DJs, the Angela Craigs, the pastor Ds, people that are doing it in digital and metaverse spaces. 00:54:24.860 --> 00:54:32.860 We've really tried to, uh, to be a light to help this generation because as this generation succeeds, so will the next one. 00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:52.860 And so, man, I appreciate, um, just even your transparency, sharing a little bit here, uh, about the, um, the discouragement and how the enemy uses that, that in your own life, because that is, that's so telling for, you know, large or small digital and metaverse. 00:54:52.860 --> 00:55:02.860 That is a, that's a consistent trend in the lives of people that are doing digital and virtual ministry today. 00:55:02.860 --> 00:55:03.860 Yep. 00:55:03.860 --> 00:55:20.860 Um, I, again, I've always enjoyed electronics and, um, and so to be able to utilize something you enjoy as a hobby or what, and then have it be involved with ministry. 00:55:20.860 --> 00:55:21.860 Yeah. 00:55:21.860 --> 00:55:22.860 Wow. 00:55:22.860 --> 00:55:23.860 What a combination. 00:55:23.860 --> 00:55:24.860 What a blessing. 00:55:24.860 --> 00:55:25.860 Love it. 00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:28.860 Um, let me ask this question before we pivot. 00:55:28.860 --> 00:55:35.860 How did you like, how did the conference end up getting to into your, your big screen? 00:55:35.860 --> 00:55:39.860 Like, was it just you, you, you grabbed the YouTube feed and pushed it over? 00:55:39.860 --> 00:55:42.860 How, what did you and Cheddar's actually do to make that happen? 00:55:42.860 --> 00:55:48.860 Um, listen, before I answer your question, I want you to meet my wife, Joyce. 00:55:48.860 --> 00:55:49.860 Oh, Hey Joyce. 00:55:49.860 --> 00:55:51.860 There's Joyce. 00:55:51.860 --> 00:55:52.860 How are you? 00:55:52.860 --> 00:55:53.860 How long we've been married? 00:55:53.860 --> 00:55:54.860 62. 00:55:54.860 --> 00:55:57.860 It'll be 63 years this July. 00:55:57.860 --> 00:55:58.860 Wow. 00:55:58.860 --> 00:55:59.860 Congratulations. 00:56:00.860 --> 00:56:03.860 And, uh, she was 16. 00:56:03.860 --> 00:56:06.860 I was 19. 00:56:06.860 --> 00:56:09.860 We did not have to get married. 00:56:09.860 --> 00:56:17.860 No, I was, we were, uh, I brought her home after a date. 00:56:17.860 --> 00:56:22.860 We only knew each other 30 days and sitting there in the car late at night. 00:56:22.860 --> 00:56:30.860 And the spirit of the Lord just almost audibly spoke to me and said, this is your wife. 00:56:30.860 --> 00:56:31.860 Wow. 00:56:31.860 --> 00:56:33.860 And that was it. 00:56:33.860 --> 00:56:39.860 And when I told her mother that the Lord spoke to me, we had to go to the courthouse to sign some papers or something. 00:56:39.860 --> 00:56:45.860 Cause she was 16 and we didn't have a child till a year later. 00:56:45.860 --> 00:56:51.860 And, uh, our son is second in command of the sheriff's department. 00:56:51.860 --> 00:56:56.860 He's over 160 sheriff deputies for the Morgan County Sheriff's department. 00:56:56.860 --> 00:56:57.860 Wow. 00:56:57.860 --> 00:57:01.860 And our daughter, we live with our daughter here in her home. 00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:06.860 And she is worked for a bank and fraud. 00:57:06.860 --> 00:57:07.860 Fraud. 00:57:07.860 --> 00:57:08.860 Huh? 00:57:08.860 --> 00:57:09.860 Fraud department. 00:57:09.860 --> 00:57:10.860 Fraud department. 00:57:10.860 --> 00:57:12.860 So amazing. 00:57:12.860 --> 00:57:14.860 She's got computer skills and stuff. 00:57:14.860 --> 00:57:15.860 So thank you, honey. 00:57:15.860 --> 00:57:16.860 You're welcome. 00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:17.860 Nice to meet. 00:57:17.860 --> 00:57:18.860 Nice to meet. 00:57:18.860 --> 00:57:19.860 Nice to meet you, Joyce. 00:57:19.860 --> 00:57:19.860 Wow. 00:57:19.860 --> 00:57:20.860 Very, very cool. 00:57:20.860 --> 00:57:21.860 I, I'm sorry. 00:57:21.860 --> 00:57:24.860 I didn't mean, uh, what was your, uh, yeah. 00:57:24.860 --> 00:57:25.860 Yeah. 00:57:25.860 --> 00:57:27.860 So how did the conference end up, end up in your room? 00:57:27.860 --> 00:57:29.860 Oh, I love doing that. 00:57:29.860 --> 00:57:34.860 And just, um, I'll bring a church service from another area into big screen. 00:57:34.860 --> 00:57:35.860 Uh huh. 00:57:35.860 --> 00:57:36.860 And, uh, yeah. 00:57:36.860 --> 00:57:39.860 And they had people come in and I had to explain what was going on. 00:57:39.860 --> 00:57:45.860 And, uh, it, it, it wasn't very, I didn't do the whole five hours or what. 00:57:45.860 --> 00:57:46.860 Sure. 00:57:46.860 --> 00:57:47.860 Sure. 00:57:47.860 --> 00:57:48.860 Sure. 00:57:48.860 --> 00:57:49.860 Sure. 00:57:49.860 --> 00:57:50.860 Sure. 00:57:50.860 --> 00:57:51.860 But, uh, uh, quite a bit of it there. 00:57:51.860 --> 00:57:52.860 And, um, so it was, it was cool. 00:57:52.860 --> 00:57:57.860 I took some pictures and I actually had, yeah, I had pictures of the conference, but then 00:57:57.860 --> 00:58:03.860 I took pictures of you and Elena and I had those in 3d right now and can show them in 00:58:03.860 --> 00:58:04.860 big screen. 00:58:04.860 --> 00:58:09.860 So someday you've got to come into big screen, look for me and I'll show you what I'm talking 00:58:09.860 --> 00:58:10.860 about. 00:58:10.860 --> 00:58:11.860 That, that sounds like a plan. 00:58:11.860 --> 00:58:14.860 Well, man, this has been a great conversation. 00:58:14.860 --> 00:58:21.860 Uh, I am, uh, Mr. Pete, uh, Pete, uh, host, uh, man, it has been such an honor. 00:58:21.860 --> 00:58:24.860 Uh, to have this, this conversation with you. 00:58:24.860 --> 00:58:28.860 You may be the oldest, uh, digital metaverse missionary. 00:58:28.860 --> 00:58:30.860 I I've had a conversation with to date. 00:58:30.860 --> 00:58:31.860 So congratulations. 00:58:31.860 --> 00:58:38.860 Uh, there are many, uh, that, that I work with that are glad you're around because they're 00:58:38.860 --> 00:58:40.860 no longer the oldest. 00:58:40.860 --> 00:58:43.860 There actually is someone that beats them by a decade or so. 00:58:43.860 --> 00:58:46.860 I've met someone older than me in VR. 00:58:46.860 --> 00:58:47.860 Interesting. 00:58:47.860 --> 00:58:48.860 They have. 00:58:48.860 --> 00:58:49.860 Yeah. 00:58:49.860 --> 00:58:50.860 They took my crown. 00:58:50.860 --> 00:58:51.860 Okay. 00:58:51.860 --> 00:58:56.860 Well, uh, I'll have to have the connection, uh, there, but I do, I do appreciate the time, 00:58:56.860 --> 00:58:57.860 uh, jumping on here. 00:58:57.860 --> 00:59:02.860 And so as, as we're wrapping up, uh, here for this stream, any closing thoughts? 00:59:03.860 --> 00:59:05.860 No, this is a really honor and privilege. 00:59:05.860 --> 00:59:14.860 And, uh, I'm going to go to YouTube and capture this part of this, uh, video and turn these pictures into 3d. 00:59:14.860 --> 00:59:16.860 And that's neat. 00:59:16.860 --> 00:59:19.860 And I want to say hi to everyone that knows who I am. 00:59:19.860 --> 00:59:22.860 Please come join me in, in big screen. 00:59:22.860 --> 00:59:23.860 Let me fly over your house. 00:59:25.860 --> 00:59:26.860 Very cool. 00:59:26.860 --> 00:59:33.860 So check out big screen in, uh, I mean, you have to download the big screen app, uh, to get to it. 00:59:33.860 --> 00:59:37.860 And so go to the quest store to download big screen and then search. 00:59:37.860 --> 00:59:38.860 How do they find you? 00:59:38.860 --> 00:59:39.860 Mr. 00:59:39.860 --> 00:59:40.860 Pete. 00:59:40.860 --> 00:59:40.860 Yeah. 00:59:40.860 --> 00:59:41.860 Just Mr. 00:59:41.860 --> 00:59:43.860 Pete, Microsoft flight simulator. 00:59:43.860 --> 00:59:44.860 Mr. 00:59:44.860 --> 00:59:45.860 Pete. 00:59:45.860 --> 00:59:46.860 Mr. 00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:47.860 Pete 3d. 00:59:47.860 --> 00:59:48.860 Yeah. 00:59:48.860 --> 00:59:49.860 Mr. 00:59:49.860 --> 00:59:50.860 Pete 3d. 00:59:50.860 --> 00:59:51.860 Awesome. 00:59:51.860 --> 00:59:52.860 And so with that, we're, we're going to wrap. 00:59:52.860 --> 00:59:53.860 And so for Mr. 00:59:53.860 --> 00:59:56.860 Pete, uh, this is Jeff, uh, with the church digital. 00:59:56.860 --> 01:00:00.860 Thanks for hanging out with us today on the stream and we'll see you next time on the show. 01:00:00.860 --> 01:00:01.860 All right. 01:00:01.860 --> 01:00:02.860 Y'all have a good one. 01:00:02.860 --> 01:00:03.860 Thank you, sir.