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 All right, everybody, we got episode 102

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 of the Church Digital Podcast

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 powered by Stadia Church Planting.

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 Jeff here, before we get to 102,

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 All right, hey, let's get back to episode 102.

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 So I'm having a conversation recently

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 with nice people over at Exponential

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 talking about digital-only church planting.

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 By the way, if you're interested in more information

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 on how to plant a digital-only expression of church

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 or even what that means,

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 go swing over to thechurch.digital slash planting.

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 Thechurch.digital slash planting.

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 More information is there

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 and it's even what Stadia is doing.

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 But in context, I'm talking here to the Exponential people

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 and they were like,

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 hey, have you met Ed Love?

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 And I was like, no, I have not met Ed Love.

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 Hey, Ed, what do you do?

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 And he tells me, he's like,

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 he's the director of church multiplication

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 with the Wesleyan Church, with the denomination.

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 And so we start dialoguing here

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 and I'm discovering that Ed, essentially,

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 and this is even going back to like 2017,

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 we talk about it in the podcast,

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 through the Wesleyan denomination,

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 basically reworked, revisited their ecclesiology,

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 their biblical functions,

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 how they're interpreting scripture

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 to lead towards how church looks in the future.

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 They wanted to make it easier

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 for different models of church to exist.

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 They revisited the scripture

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 to see if a digital-only expression of church would work.

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 They revisited scripture to revisit

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 whether micro-expressions, micro-churches,

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 micro-campuses, if those would work.

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 And so they revisited, they delved into the scripture,

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 they examined it,

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 and they came out of it with a essential ecclesiology,

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 basically a different format function

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 of how they felt that scripture was leading them

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 to define church.

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 So, so often we have this conversation of,

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 is a digital church really a biblical church?

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 Is a micro-church really a biblical church?

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 Is a house church really a biblical church?

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 And it's fascinating.

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 The Wesleyans, evidently, under Ed's guidance,

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 had this conversation like back in 2017,

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 and it's phenomenal insights from them.

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 And so realize coming in,

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 you've got a denomination,

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 an organization that's reshaping,

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 maybe not taking away from scripture,

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 but revisiting the scripture

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 and reanalyzing it for the world that we're in today.

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 Great conversation.

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 I am so excited from a digital-only perspective

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 that you get to hear it.

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 So here's where we're bringing in.

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 We're bringing in Ed Love,

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 Director of Church Multiplication,

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 as I said,

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 for the Wesleyan Church.

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 And we're bringing in myself,

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 Jeff,

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 with the Church Digital

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 and Stadia Church Planning

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 in a conversation

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 that I'm essentially calling

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 the Essentially Ecclesiology

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 for Enabling Digital Church Planting.

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 Okay, everybody.

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 Here you go.

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 Well, hey,

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 maybe just to give us a little definition

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 and background into who you are,

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 Ed,

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 just maybe tell us a little bit

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 about your day-to-day,

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 your ministry life now

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 with the Westlands.

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 What does ministry look like

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 for you these days?

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 Yeah, well,

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 I serve as the Director

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 of Church Multiplication,

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 and that means

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 I've got responsibilities

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 over the church planters

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 and also the church multipliers,

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 like those sending churches,

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 the multiplying churches,

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 and developing both of those realms,

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 developing the systems

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 that help churches continue to multiply

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 and also produce

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 healthy, thriving new churches.

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 So that's primarily my focus now.

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 I've been a church planter,

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 so I know how that life is,

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 and I've been a church multiplier,

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 a church network leader,

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 and I love seeing the church

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 just rapidly reproduce and expand.

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 Yeah, this idea of multiplication

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 and church planting

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 and how all that fits together,

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 man,

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 it's an exciting time.

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 It's an exciting opportunity.

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 We're seeing churches pivot

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 more and more that way,

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 and honestly,

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 Ed,

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 like you,

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 I got connected through,

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 to you,

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 through the exponential crowd.

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 We were,

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 I guess we're speaking

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 at a conference

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 or something together,

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 but a couple of those guys

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 were telling me

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 about how you guys,

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 how the Wesleyan denomination

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 has been reworking

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 the ecclesiology

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 and starting to open up

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 some of these things,

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 and it started just

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 to pique my interest,

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 especially considering

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 some digital church,

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 and we'll get some of that

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 down the road here

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 in a little bit,

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 but maybe just even

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 to open up,

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 explain to the audience,

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 most people have heard me

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 say the word ecclesiology

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 a bunch,

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 but you're more educated

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 than I am,

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 so you tell me here,

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 like ecclesiology,

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 what essentially

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 are we talking about

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 when we use this term

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 ecclesiology?

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 Well, ecclesiology

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 is essentially

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 the study of the church.

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 I mean,

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 that's what we're

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 talking about here.

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 It's our view

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 of the church.

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 When you hear

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 the word church,

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 what are the mental models

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 that you think about?

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 And I know

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 when I was a kid

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 growing up,

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 you know,

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 we had that little saying

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 in our,

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 I don't know,

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 Sunday school class

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 or something,

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 you know,

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 you put your hands together

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 and you're like,

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 here's the church,

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 here's the steeple,

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 open the doors

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 and look at all the people,

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 right?

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 You know,

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 it's this fun little thing

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 we do.

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 But believe it or not,

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 that was forming

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 part of my ecclesiology

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 because I was getting

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 a view of the church.

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 The church happened

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 within a building

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 with the steeple

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 and people

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 and that was

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 part of our view.

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 So everybody's got

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 a view

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 of the church

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 and,

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 you know,

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 I think

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 we go through

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 different seasons

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 and epochs

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 within the church

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 at large

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 and we need

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 to reanalyze

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 our view

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 of the church

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 and so that's

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 what we're talking

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 about

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 when we're talking

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 ecclesiology,

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 defining it,

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 clarifying

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 what it is

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 in our current

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 cultural context.

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 Wow,

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 so you guys are,

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 I mean,

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 it's safe to say

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 you're redefining

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 what church is,

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 you're reshaping it

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 like is there

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 with a biblical context

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 like what,

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 so as you're revisiting

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 what this church is,

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 kind of what are

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 the checkpoints

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 that you're looking at

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 and comparing it to?

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 What role does

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 scripture play in this?

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 Well,

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 scripture is a huge part

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 because,

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 and I hesitate

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 to even use the word

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 redefine

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 because what we're

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 trying to do

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 is go back

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 more to the

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 original definition.

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 If that's what you mean

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 by redefining

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 is we're just going

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 back to the original,

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 closer to the original

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 definition.

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 That has been

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 our pursuit

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 and our goal,

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 I think,

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 you know,

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 it's helpful,

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 it's always helpful,

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 you know,

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 it's like making a copy,

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 making a copy

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 of a copy

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 of a copy

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 of a copy

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 and then eventually

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 you're like,

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 and I'm sure

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 this is a little fuzzy,

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 what is this?

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 And so you got to go back

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 to the original,

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 copy the original

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 and so

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 I think that's been

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 more of our focus

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 and scripture

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 obviously

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 is

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 the

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 guiding framework

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 for that

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 and

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 understanding

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 what Jesus

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 really wanted

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 the church

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 to be

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 and

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 let's

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 start there.

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 Were there

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 symptoms within

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 the

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 Wesleyan denomination?

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 Like,

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 what caused

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 this revisit?

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 What was

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 maybe the

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 motive

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 that

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 started this,

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 hey,

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 let's revisit,

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 let's go back

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 to the original?

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 What were the symptoms

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 you were seeing

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 within

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 maybe

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 the existing

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 ecclesiology

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 that started

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 this movement?

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 Yeah,

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 so in the

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 Wesleyan church,

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 it's a denomination,

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 right?

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 I mean,

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 it's a well-established

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 denomination

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 and

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 it's

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 done its

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 thing,

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 it's organized

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 well

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 and

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 by

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 most

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 measurements

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 in the

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 denominational

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 world,

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 like,

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 it is a

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 healthy

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 denomination,

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 like,

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 it's actually

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 not experiencing

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 great decline

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 but it's

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 also not

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 experiencing,

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 you know,

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 the level

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 of

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 movement

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 and

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 multiplication

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 that our

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 heart

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 really

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 desires

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 and what

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 we feel

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 like God

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 is calling

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 us to be.

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 So,

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 I think

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 there was

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 a little

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 bit of

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 this holy

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 discontent,

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 you know,

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 I mean,

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 going back

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 just three,

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 four years,

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 there was a

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 change in

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 a lot of

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 leadership

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 and that's

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 when I

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 started my

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 role,

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 got invited

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 into that

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 and so,

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 you know,

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 I think

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 that was

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 a lot

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 of it

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 was just

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 kind of

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 just this

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 holy

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 discontent,

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 just feeling

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 like there's

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 got to be

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 more,

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 you know,

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 is our goal

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 just being

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 a healthy

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 denomination

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 and kind

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 of surviving

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 the denominational

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 era,

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 making it

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 or,

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 you know,

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 are we really

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 going to be

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 open to what

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 the Holy Spirit

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 wants for us

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 and see the

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 church unleashed

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 and so,

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 I think

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 that was

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 the,

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 that was

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 kind of

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 the marker

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 for us

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 was just,

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 you know,

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 we just

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 kind of

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 had to

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 put a

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 stake in

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 the ground

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 and just

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 say,

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 hey,

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 we want

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 to be

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 a multiplying

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 movement,

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 so what

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 does that

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 look like

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 for us?

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 And that

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 starts a

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 whole,

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 another

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 series of

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 questions,

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 right?

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 Yeah,

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 it was funny,

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 just last

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 week here

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 on the

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 podcast,

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 we had

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 Jim Tomberlin

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 on and

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 in Jim's

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 Multi-Site

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 Solutions,

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 I think he's

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 with Unstuck

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 Group now,

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 he's chief

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 of staff at

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 Christ Fellowship

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 Miami,

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 a church

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 that I used

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 to be on

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 staff with

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 and he

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 dropped this

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 phrase,

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 and Jim's

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 great at

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 these one-liner

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 mic drop

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 things,

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 that's just

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 the world

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 that he

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 lives in,

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 but he said,

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 he's like,

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 the goal of the

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 church is not

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 to grow as

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 big as

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 possible,

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 the goal of

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 the church

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 is to grow

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 big enough

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 so that it

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 can multiply

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 and then

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 grow big

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 enough so

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 that it

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 can multiply

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 again,

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 and so

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 there's this

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 intentionality

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 that comes

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 towards

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 multiplication

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 even from

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 the beginning,

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 and it

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 sounds like

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 with this,

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 with the

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 pivot that

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 you hate

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 to use the

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 word pivot,

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 everybody says

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 pivot,

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 but with

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 this change

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 in the

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 ecclesiology,

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 it feels

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 like you

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 guys are

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 making an

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 intentional

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 shift more

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 towards

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 this idea

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 of

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 multiplication.

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 Now,

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 when I look

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 at it as

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 well,

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 it feels

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 like there's

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 a lot of

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 different

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 opportunities

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 for different

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 types of

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 churches to

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 maybe pop

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 up,

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 more micro,

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 more digital

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 expressions,

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 which is

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 something obviously

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 we talk a lot

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 about here.

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 Was there

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 intentionality

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 towards these

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 different models?

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 Were you

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 seeing an

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 opportunity to

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 expand there

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 within the

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 denomination?

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 Absolutely.

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 And that

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 was a big

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 part of

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 why we

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 had to

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 push that

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 conversation

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 ahead.

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 You can

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 imagine

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 having the

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 we call

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 it essential

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 ecclesiology.

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 Some use

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 the term

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 minimal

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 ecclesiology.

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 Having that

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 conversation

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 at a

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 denominational

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 level is

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 not easy.

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 There's a lot

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 of people

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 that feel

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 like they

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 got a

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 say in

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 that.

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 We

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 actually did

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 in our

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 process of

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 defining that

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 we did

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 involve a

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 lot of

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 layers of

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 people,

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 professors,

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 denominational

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 leaders,

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 district

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 leaders,

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 local

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 pastors.

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 We had

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 a diverse

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 group going

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 after it,

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 which was

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 helpful.

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 But I

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 think for

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 us,

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 we were

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 recognizing

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 that our

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 apostolic

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 multipliers,

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 our leaders

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 that were

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 really going

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 after it

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 and had

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 that kingdom

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 vision,

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 they were

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 dreaming

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 about

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 church

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 in

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 new

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 ways

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 already.

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 So it's

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 kind of

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 like we're

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 responding to

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 what's already

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 going on in

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 the field

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 and wanting

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 to make

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 sure as a

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 denomination,

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 we want to

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 make sure

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 we're clearing

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 the path for

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 our multipliers

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 and apostolic

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 leaders,

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 not creating

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 more confusion

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 and clutter

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 that they have

00:13:04.460 --> 00:13:04.840
 to wade

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 through.

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 And so

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 I think

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 it was in

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 our

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 discernment,

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 we just

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 recognized

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 we've got

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 to have

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 this

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 conversation,

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 we've got

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 to nail

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 it down.

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 We actually

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 had an

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 event that

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 we pulled

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 together about

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 three years

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 ago, we

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 called it

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 Unleashed.

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 And it

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 wasn't like

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 a conference,

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 it turned

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 out to be

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 more of

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 like an

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 upper room

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 prayer

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 experience is

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 what it

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 was.

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 But we

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 just kind

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 of invited

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 the apostolic

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 leaders that

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 we knew

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 of in

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 our tribe

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 and said,

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 hey,

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 we want

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 to have

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 this

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 conversation

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 and we

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 want to

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 experience a

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 greater measure

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 of unity

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 as a church

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 and focus

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 around this

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 idea.

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 And so we

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 need you to

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 come together,

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 we need to

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 have this

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 meeting,

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 kind of a

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 coming to

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 moment,

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 a Holy

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 Spirit moment

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 where we

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 move this

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 mission forward.

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 And so that's

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 where it

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 actually began

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 and we

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 got the

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 sense of

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 like as

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 we unleashed

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 our leaders,

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 like they

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 were thinking

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 at a whole

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 other level.

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 You know,

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 they were

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 thinking very

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 creatively,

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 all kinds of

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 different church

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 planning models

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 and even a

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 little pushback

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 on like even

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 the current

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 traditional

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 model,

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 right?

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 I mean,

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 it was just

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 kind of like,

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 yeah,

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 we've done

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 that and

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 we really

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 don't see

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 the fruit

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 that we

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 would like

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 to see,

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 would have

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 liked to

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 see.

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 And so we

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 got to make

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 room for

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 some more

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 models.

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 And so that's

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 what really

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 sparked the

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 conversation.

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 And so in

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 a way it

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 was,

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 you know,

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 I'm a

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 proactive

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 leader,

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 so I like

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 to think

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 that we

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 were proactive,

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 but I think

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 our leaders

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 in the field

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 were the ones

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 actually pushing

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 it forward.

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 And then it

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 was the

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 denomination

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 levels just

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 kind of

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 responding and

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 saying,

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 hey,

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 we want to

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 clear the path

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 for you.

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 And if our

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 definition of

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 church is

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 holding you

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 back for some

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 reason,

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 or if we've

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 got some

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 systematic

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 things that

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 are holding

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 you back,

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 we want to

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 work at

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 those.

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 We need to

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 know what

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 they are

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 and then

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 work at

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 them so

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 that your

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 path is

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 free to

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 go.

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 And so

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 that's been

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 really cool

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 to see,

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 you know,

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 all kinds

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 of new

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 things happening

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 and leaders

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 feeling more

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 freedom.

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 That gives

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 you more

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 opportunities,

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 I think,

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 to,

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 I don't

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 want to

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 use the

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 word

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 reshape

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 because

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 you're

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 falling

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 back on

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 that

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 original,

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 but you're

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 able to

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 shape things

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 almost like

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 clay to

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 make it

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 look

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 different.

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 And so

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 you can

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 take this,

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 I love

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 your phrasing

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 of

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 essentially

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 ecclesiology.

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 You know,

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 minimal feels

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 like,

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 oh yeah,

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 we're cutting

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 stuff out

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 and it's

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 less than,

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 but you're

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 really with

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 this word

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 essential,

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 like there

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 are things

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 that may

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 not be

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 part of

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 the

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 essential.

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 Here's

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 the core

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 of what

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 we're

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 trying to

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 establish.

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 And if

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 you're able

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 to do

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 more or

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 your model

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 has stronger,

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 you know,

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 has more

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 strengths in

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 this area

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 and another

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 has strengths

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 in another

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 area,

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 it's not

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 good or

00:16:06.160 --> 00:16:06.520
 it's not

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 bad.

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 It's just

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 we need to

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 really get

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 established on

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 what this

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 core is,

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 on what the

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 essential piece

00:16:13.460 --> 00:16:13.760
 of it.

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 And so this

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 is really

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 exciting.

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 You know,

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 even when I

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 looked at it,

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 and we'll

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 put information

00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:22.040
 here in the

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 show notes

00:16:22.420 --> 00:16:22.780
 so that you

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 can kind of

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 see their

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 finding as

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 well.

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 But the

00:16:26.620 --> 00:16:27.660
 essential

00:16:27.660 --> 00:16:28.440
 ecclesiology,

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 I think,

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 comes down

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 to discipleship,

00:16:32.280 --> 00:16:32.660
 mission,

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 and community.

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 So these

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 are the

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 three foundations

00:16:36.100 --> 00:16:36.840
 that you

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 are considering

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 part of your

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 essential

00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:41.020
 ecclesiology.

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 Is there,

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 and I'm just

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 curious,

00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:43.000
 Ed,

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 overarching view,

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 was there a

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 reason why

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 you went with

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 those three?

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 What didn't

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 make the cut?

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 Like,

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 just give me

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 a brief

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 synopsis on

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 that particular

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 finding.

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 Oh,

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 I think we

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 were just,

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 we recognized

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 like,

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 we wanted

00:16:58.020 --> 00:16:59.540
 to come

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 across as

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 simple,

00:17:00.660 --> 00:17:01.760
 but it

00:17:01.760 --> 00:17:02.140
 needed to

00:17:02.140 --> 00:17:02.820
 be strong

00:17:02.820 --> 00:17:04.260
 and legitimate

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 and credible.

00:17:06.560 --> 00:17:07.080
 And so

00:17:07.080 --> 00:17:08.460
 I think that's

00:17:08.460 --> 00:17:08.860
 why,

00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:09.620
 you know,

00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:10.740
 we needed

00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:11.440
 these three

00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:11.940
 kind of

00:17:11.940 --> 00:17:12.580
 broader

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 categories.

00:17:13.320 --> 00:17:13.600
 Some people

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 use,

00:17:14.060 --> 00:17:14.360
 you know,

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 up,

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 in,

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 and out.

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 I mean,

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 that's a

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 simple way

00:17:16.820 --> 00:17:17.140
 of phrasing

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 it.

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 But,

00:17:19.340 --> 00:17:20.000
 you know,

00:17:20.740 --> 00:17:21.280
 to be able

00:17:21.280 --> 00:17:22.720
 to just

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 have those

00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:23.920
 three categories

00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:25.040
 there is really

00:17:25.040 --> 00:17:25.780
 helpful for leaders

00:17:25.780 --> 00:17:26.540
 to think through,

00:17:26.820 --> 00:17:27.240
 you know,

00:17:27.260 --> 00:17:27.960
 what does

00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:29.780
 it look like

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 in each of

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 those categories?

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 And then,

00:17:32.040 --> 00:17:32.300
 I mean,

00:17:32.300 --> 00:17:33.140
 we ended up

00:17:33.140 --> 00:17:33.900
 creating this

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 evaluative

00:17:34.940 --> 00:17:35.740
 document,

00:17:36.700 --> 00:17:37.460
 which is really

00:17:37.460 --> 00:17:38.460
 just nine

00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:39.320
 questions,

00:17:39.540 --> 00:17:39.780
 like,

00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:40.300
 that you would

00:17:40.300 --> 00:17:41.380
 ask your

00:17:41.380 --> 00:17:43.440
 new church

00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:43.760
 that you're

00:17:43.760 --> 00:17:44.160
 starting,

00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:45.920
 you would ask

00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:46.840
 those questions

00:17:46.840 --> 00:17:48.420
 about your

00:17:48.420 --> 00:17:48.820
 church,

00:17:49.100 --> 00:17:49.960
 evaluate it,

00:17:50.620 --> 00:17:51.460
 have a plan

00:17:51.460 --> 00:17:53.000
 for those,

00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:54.160
 you know,

00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:54.560
 be able to

00:17:54.560 --> 00:17:55.100
 answer those

00:17:55.100 --> 00:17:55.600
 questions,

00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:56.700
 and have

00:17:56.700 --> 00:17:57.100
 a plan

00:17:57.100 --> 00:17:57.600
 in place

00:17:57.600 --> 00:17:58.220
 for it,

00:17:58.840 --> 00:17:59.320
 and then

00:17:59.320 --> 00:17:59.680
 there's a lot

00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:00.040
 of freedom

00:18:00.040 --> 00:18:00.440
 in that,

00:18:00.500 --> 00:18:00.680
 though,

00:18:01.080 --> 00:18:01.440
 you know,

00:18:01.560 --> 00:18:01.920
 so,

00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:02.800
 and what we

00:18:02.800 --> 00:18:03.480
 also recognize

00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:04.560
 is some

00:18:04.560 --> 00:18:05.180
 of the things

00:18:05.180 --> 00:18:05.520
 that we're

00:18:05.520 --> 00:18:05.980
 starting,

00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:07.580
 they don't

00:18:07.580 --> 00:18:08.320
 need to

00:18:08.320 --> 00:18:08.900
 begin,

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 in the early

00:18:10.220 --> 00:18:10.700
 stage,

00:18:10.800 --> 00:18:11.120
 they don't

00:18:11.120 --> 00:18:11.460
 need to

00:18:11.460 --> 00:18:12.960
 begin with

00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:13.660
 a,

00:18:13.820 --> 00:18:14.740
 you know,

00:18:15.140 --> 00:18:16.240
 full set

00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:16.920
 of criteria,

00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:18.400
 they may

00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:19.380
 work towards

00:18:19.380 --> 00:18:19.780
 that,

00:18:20.100 --> 00:18:20.660
 and at

00:18:20.660 --> 00:18:21.380
 some point

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 in the course

00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:22.720
 of,

00:18:22.940 --> 00:18:23.660
 you know,

00:18:23.860 --> 00:18:24.240
 their

00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:25.200
 ministry run,

00:18:26.040 --> 00:18:26.240
 they,

00:18:26.820 --> 00:18:27.680
 a leader

00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:28.600
 who's overseeing

00:18:28.600 --> 00:18:29.120
 that should

00:18:29.120 --> 00:18:29.540
 be able to

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 ask them,

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 like,

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 hey,

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 what you're

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 doing is a

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 little bit

00:18:32.520 --> 00:18:32.960
 more than

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 just an

00:18:33.320 --> 00:18:34.540
 outreach effort

00:18:34.540 --> 00:18:35.020
 of our

00:18:35.020 --> 00:18:35.960
 church or

00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:36.560
 our network,

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 I think this

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 is actually a

00:18:39.020 --> 00:18:39.320
 church,

00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:39.980
 let's have

00:18:39.980 --> 00:18:40.780
 this conversation,

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 you know,

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 so it's

00:18:42.120 --> 00:18:43.160
 allowing leaders

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 to have the

00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:44.360
 freedom and

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 space to do

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 some new

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 things without

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 having to

00:18:47.300 --> 00:18:48.100
 define it

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 specifically as

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 an official

00:18:50.060 --> 00:18:51.060
 established

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 church,

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 right,

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 and be

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 able to

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 work toward

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 that is

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 really helpful.

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 That's what

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 I think is

00:18:59.620 --> 00:19:01.000
 unleashing the

00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.000
 movement where

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 we're seeing,

00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:03.380
 you know,

00:19:03.780 --> 00:19:04.380
 the Wesleyan

00:19:04.380 --> 00:19:04.700
 church,

00:19:05.120 --> 00:19:05.340
 right,

00:19:05.460 --> 00:19:06.400
 we trace our

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 roots back to

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 John Wesley,

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 you know,

00:19:08.760 --> 00:19:09.880
 Francis Asbury,

00:19:10.760 --> 00:19:11.540
 the lay-led

00:19:11.540 --> 00:19:12.100
 Wesleyan

00:19:12.100 --> 00:19:12.740
 revivals,

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 I mean,

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 that's like

00:19:13.940 --> 00:19:14.920
 our heritage,

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 and yet,

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 it's like,

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 where's that

00:19:17.560 --> 00:19:17.940
 at,

00:19:18.420 --> 00:19:18.720
 you know,

00:19:18.780 --> 00:19:19.020
 like,

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 where are

00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:21.580
 the movement

00:19:21.580 --> 00:19:21.920
 makers,

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 like,

00:19:22.180 --> 00:19:22.760
 John Wesley

00:19:22.760 --> 00:19:23.380
 was great,

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 and Francis

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 Asbury,

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 but they're

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 not the

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 ones that

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 actually did

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 the work

00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:27.880
 of the

00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:28.200
 movement.

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 I mean,

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 they did

00:19:29.580 --> 00:19:30.060
 their part

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 in establishing

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 and sending

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 and creating

00:19:33.100 --> 00:19:33.620
 that culture,

00:19:34.260 --> 00:19:34.780
 but they

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 had hundreds

00:19:36.420 --> 00:19:37.380
 and thousands

00:19:37.380 --> 00:19:37.980
 of,

00:19:37.980 --> 00:19:38.440
 you know,

00:19:38.660 --> 00:19:39.400
 lay-led

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 leaders being

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 unleashed all

00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:42.080
 over,

00:19:42.780 --> 00:19:43.840
 starting these,

00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:44.520
 you know,

00:19:44.620 --> 00:19:45.260
 these movements

00:19:45.260 --> 00:19:46.440
 in all kinds

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 of places

00:19:47.740 --> 00:19:48.320
 and pockets

00:19:48.320 --> 00:19:48.820
 in the world,

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 and so,

00:19:51.080 --> 00:19:51.420
 you know,

00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:52.040
 we wonder,

00:19:52.140 --> 00:19:52.640
 where's that

00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:52.940
 at,

00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:53.820
 you know,

00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:55.580
 and where's

00:19:55.580 --> 00:19:56.060
 that lay

00:19:56.060 --> 00:19:56.500
 movement,

00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:57.680
 and so,

00:19:58.320 --> 00:19:59.040
 could our

00:19:59.040 --> 00:19:59.760
 definition of

00:19:59.760 --> 00:20:00.720
 church actually

00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:01.460
 be holding

00:20:01.460 --> 00:20:02.180
 those people

00:20:02.180 --> 00:20:02.700
 back,

00:20:02.760 --> 00:20:03.780
 because it's

00:20:03.780 --> 00:20:04.380
 too high of

00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:04.740
 a bar,

00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:06.340
 and so,

00:20:06.340 --> 00:20:07.440
 we gotta recognize

00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:08.760
 that there are

00:20:08.760 --> 00:20:09.640
 these pioneering

00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:10.960
 leaders that

00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:11.640
 are in our

00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:12.080
 churches,

00:20:12.080 --> 00:20:12.580
 just sitting

00:20:12.580 --> 00:20:12.820
 there,

00:20:12.940 --> 00:20:13.320
 and they're

00:20:13.320 --> 00:20:13.720
 probably a

00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:14.020
 little bit

00:20:14.020 --> 00:20:15.660
 bored with,

00:20:15.740 --> 00:20:16.100
 you know,

00:20:16.500 --> 00:20:17.520
 just the

00:20:17.520 --> 00:20:18.860
 normal operations

00:20:18.860 --> 00:20:19.900
 of church,

00:20:20.020 --> 00:20:20.160
 so,

00:20:20.420 --> 00:20:20.860
 it's like,

00:20:21.420 --> 00:20:21.880
 how do we

00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:22.740
 engage them

00:20:22.740 --> 00:20:23.960
 and then

00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:24.920
 empower them

00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:25.940
 for the

00:20:25.940 --> 00:20:26.260
 movement,

00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:27.180
 and they

00:20:27.180 --> 00:20:27.800
 might start

00:20:27.800 --> 00:20:28.600
 doing something

00:20:28.600 --> 00:20:29.760
 if they're

00:20:29.760 --> 00:20:30.460
 empowered,

00:20:30.900 --> 00:20:32.480
 and it may

00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:33.120
 turn into

00:20:33.120 --> 00:20:33.760
 a church,

00:20:34.620 --> 00:20:35.860
 and that's

00:20:35.860 --> 00:20:36.880
 what we're

00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:37.160
 seeing,

00:20:37.260 --> 00:20:37.840
 I love it,

00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:39.180
 and that

00:20:39.180 --> 00:20:40.080
 just gets

00:20:40.080 --> 00:20:40.460
 me really

00:20:40.460 --> 00:20:40.880
 excited,

00:20:41.060 --> 00:20:41.240
 so.

00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:42.100
 This is

00:20:42.100 --> 00:20:42.380
 beautiful,

00:20:42.540 --> 00:20:43.460
 when you

00:20:43.460 --> 00:20:45.440
 re-addressed

00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:45.880
 this,

00:20:46.140 --> 00:20:47.040
 you took

00:20:47.040 --> 00:20:47.700
 into mindset,

00:20:48.060 --> 00:20:48.520
 priesthood of

00:20:48.520 --> 00:20:49.060
 all believers,

00:20:49.260 --> 00:20:49.580
 how do we

00:20:49.580 --> 00:20:49.980
 get this

00:20:49.980 --> 00:20:50.440
 into lay

00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:50.860
 people,

00:20:51.260 --> 00:20:51.560
 like,

00:20:51.660 --> 00:20:52.400
 I love

00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:52.600
 that,

00:20:52.660 --> 00:20:53.500
 that is so

00:20:53.500 --> 00:20:53.860
 beautiful,

00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:54.400
 I'm just

00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:54.740
 curious,

00:20:54.820 --> 00:20:55.420
 because sometimes

00:20:55.420 --> 00:20:56.880
 I have this

00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:57.460
 conversation

00:20:57.460 --> 00:20:58.500
 with churches

00:20:58.500 --> 00:20:59.320
 and with

00:20:59.320 --> 00:21:00.300
 denominational

00:21:00.300 --> 00:21:00.780
 leaders,

00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:01.520
 national

00:21:01.520 --> 00:21:01.940
 leaders,

00:21:02.420 --> 00:21:03.120
 and some

00:21:03.120 --> 00:21:03.660
 people love

00:21:03.660 --> 00:21:04.140
 this idea

00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:04.620
 of priesthood

00:21:04.620 --> 00:21:04.940
 believers,

00:21:05.220 --> 00:21:05.640
 and I'm

00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:05.940
 not gonna

00:21:05.940 --> 00:21:06.220
 lie,

00:21:06.260 --> 00:21:06.560
 we talk

00:21:06.560 --> 00:21:06.760
 about it

00:21:06.760 --> 00:21:06.920
 on the

00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:07.060
 show,

00:21:07.360 --> 00:21:07.560
 some

00:21:07.560 --> 00:21:08.140
 people are

00:21:08.140 --> 00:21:08.840
 not a

00:21:08.840 --> 00:21:09.480
 fan of

00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:09.700
 this

00:21:09.700 --> 00:21:10.040
 priesthood

00:21:10.040 --> 00:21:10.440
 of believers

00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:11.040
 idea,

00:21:11.260 --> 00:21:11.920
 I'm just

00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:12.260
 curious,

00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:13.060
 within the

00:21:13.060 --> 00:21:13.660
 denomination,

00:21:13.900 --> 00:21:14.240
 within the

00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:14.600
 leadership,

00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:15.360
 was there

00:21:15.360 --> 00:21:16.100
 pushback

00:21:16.100 --> 00:21:17.340
 towards releasing

00:21:17.340 --> 00:21:17.900
 some of this

00:21:17.900 --> 00:21:18.320
 control,

00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:19.060
 towards this

00:21:19.060 --> 00:21:19.880
 shift in

00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:20.840
 ecclesiology to

00:21:20.840 --> 00:21:21.640
 make it easier

00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:22.000
 for lay

00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:22.560
 people to

00:21:22.560 --> 00:21:23.500
 address?

00:21:24.080 --> 00:21:24.440
 oh, sure,

00:21:24.500 --> 00:21:24.700
 there's

00:21:24.700 --> 00:21:25.420
 pushback.

00:21:27.840 --> 00:21:28.420
 It wouldn't

00:21:28.420 --> 00:21:28.960
 be leadership

00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:29.720
 if there's

00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:30.500
 not pushback,

00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:32.900
 but I

00:21:32.900 --> 00:21:33.200
 think the

00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:34.560
 majority of

00:21:34.560 --> 00:21:35.880
 people are

00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:36.720
 excited about

00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:36.920
 that,

00:21:36.980 --> 00:21:37.380
 want to lean

00:21:37.380 --> 00:21:37.900
 into it.

00:21:37.940 --> 00:21:38.420
 I think the

00:21:38.420 --> 00:21:39.400
 hesitancies

00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:40.040
 just come

00:21:40.040 --> 00:21:40.960
 with being

00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:42.040
 concerned about

00:21:42.040 --> 00:21:42.800
 what are we

00:21:42.800 --> 00:21:43.180
 doing for

00:21:43.180 --> 00:21:44.140
 future generations

00:21:44.140 --> 00:21:49.080
 and how do

00:21:49.080 --> 00:21:51.880
 you engage

00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:52.660
 young people

00:21:52.660 --> 00:21:53.300
 and kids?

00:21:53.540 --> 00:21:53.940
 You've got

00:21:53.940 --> 00:21:54.240
 all these

00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:54.960
 practical

00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:57.380
 issues you're

00:21:57.380 --> 00:21:58.180
 working through,

00:21:58.820 --> 00:21:59.820
 but by

00:21:59.820 --> 00:22:00.640
 and large,

00:22:01.180 --> 00:22:01.940
 people are

00:22:01.940 --> 00:22:03.340
 really excited

00:22:03.340 --> 00:22:07.220
 about being

00:22:07.220 --> 00:22:08.340
 a movement

00:22:08.340 --> 00:22:10.020
 again and

00:22:10.020 --> 00:22:11.180
 leaning into

00:22:11.180 --> 00:22:11.440
 it.

00:22:11.800 --> 00:22:12.400
 It's a great

00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:12.960
 conversation.

00:22:13.860 --> 00:22:14.320
 I noticed

00:22:14.320 --> 00:22:14.840
 it does

00:22:14.840 --> 00:22:15.280
 take a lot

00:22:15.280 --> 00:22:15.720
 of time.

00:22:17.120 --> 00:22:17.820
 Just like

00:22:17.820 --> 00:22:18.280
 anything in

00:22:18.280 --> 00:22:18.880
 denominational

00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:19.260
 work, it

00:22:19.260 --> 00:22:20.960
 takes 10

00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:21.460
 times longer

00:22:21.460 --> 00:22:21.720
 than what

00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:22.100
 you thought

00:22:22.100 --> 00:22:22.340
 it would

00:22:22.340 --> 00:22:22.620
 take.

00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:27.060
 It's been

00:22:27.060 --> 00:22:27.680
 at least

00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:28.160
 three years

00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:29.160
 now and

00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:29.860
 we're seeing

00:22:29.860 --> 00:22:30.680
 the culture

00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:31.900
 finally really

00:22:31.900 --> 00:22:32.420
 changing.

00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:33.840
 You're talking

00:22:33.840 --> 00:22:34.500
 about a

00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:35.200
 complete culture

00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:35.600
 shift.

00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:36.380
 That doesn't

00:22:36.380 --> 00:22:37.000
 happen overnight.

00:22:37.120 --> 00:22:37.360
 It doesn't

00:22:37.360 --> 00:22:37.780
 happen with

00:22:37.780 --> 00:22:39.440
 one conference

00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:40.100
 or speaker

00:22:40.100 --> 00:22:40.680
 or message.

00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:41.660
 It takes

00:22:41.660 --> 00:22:42.280
 a lot of

00:22:42.280 --> 00:22:42.820
 time and

00:22:42.820 --> 00:22:43.340
 a lot of

00:22:43.340 --> 00:22:43.720
 different

00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:44.640
 arenas

00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:45.220
 that you

00:22:45.220 --> 00:22:45.460
 have to

00:22:45.460 --> 00:22:45.980
 have these

00:22:45.980 --> 00:22:46.320
 types of

00:22:46.320 --> 00:22:46.820
 conversations

00:22:46.820 --> 00:22:47.160
 in.

00:22:49.140 --> 00:22:50.240
 Everywhere I

00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:51.080
 go, I

00:22:51.080 --> 00:22:53.300
 am way more

00:22:53.300 --> 00:22:54.980
 encouraged and

00:22:54.980 --> 00:22:55.740
 supported than

00:22:55.740 --> 00:22:56.100
 not.

00:22:57.580 --> 00:22:58.320
 It's a

00:22:58.320 --> 00:22:59.180
 good space

00:22:59.180 --> 00:22:59.780
 to be in

00:22:59.780 --> 00:23:00.540
 and good

00:23:00.540 --> 00:23:01.100
 conversations

00:23:01.100 --> 00:23:01.640
 are happening

00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:02.160
 at all

00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:02.680
 different levels

00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:04.560
 and super

00:23:04.560 --> 00:23:04.880
 excited.

00:23:05.020 --> 00:23:05.640
 Even in our

00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:06.240
 universities,

00:23:06.600 --> 00:23:06.980
 we've got

00:23:06.980 --> 00:23:08.320
 five Westland

00:23:08.320 --> 00:23:09.920
 universities and

00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:10.440
 seminaries.

00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:11.100
 We've got a

00:23:11.100 --> 00:23:11.380
 seminary,

00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:12.020
 Wesley Seminary,

00:23:12.820 --> 00:23:13.480
 and I

00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:14.080
 teach a

00:23:14.080 --> 00:23:14.360
 little bit

00:23:14.360 --> 00:23:14.700
 for them.

00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:16.740
 We've had

00:23:16.740 --> 00:23:17.220
 these

00:23:17.220 --> 00:23:17.640
 conversations

00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:18.140
 there and

00:23:18.140 --> 00:23:18.600
 it's like,

00:23:19.060 --> 00:23:19.400
 wow,

00:23:19.820 --> 00:23:21.200
 full support

00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:22.620
 across the

00:23:22.620 --> 00:23:22.860
 board.

00:23:24.320 --> 00:23:25.120
 They're

00:23:25.120 --> 00:23:25.780
 leaning in

00:23:25.780 --> 00:23:26.140
 and doing

00:23:26.140 --> 00:23:26.740
 their part

00:23:26.740 --> 00:23:27.760
 to serve

00:23:27.760 --> 00:23:28.180
 the movement.

00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:29.960
 It's really

00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:30.300
 exciting.

00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:31.960
 My understanding

00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:32.520
 off what you

00:23:32.520 --> 00:23:32.900
 just said,

00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:33.240
 and I didn't

00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:33.800
 realize this,

00:23:33.840 --> 00:23:34.440
 this is a

00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:35.500
 three-year-old

00:23:35.500 --> 00:23:36.340
 process?

00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:37.700
 You started

00:23:37.700 --> 00:23:38.620
 this 2017,

00:23:38.840 --> 00:23:39.200
 2018?

00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:39.940
 Yeah.

00:23:40.420 --> 00:23:40.760
 Wow,

00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:41.240
 I didn't

00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:41.860
 realize that.

00:23:42.120 --> 00:23:43.300
 By doing

00:23:43.300 --> 00:23:44.080
 the three

00:23:44.080 --> 00:23:44.360
 years,

00:23:44.460 --> 00:23:44.920
 at this

00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:45.140
 point,

00:23:45.180 --> 00:23:45.560
 it's part

00:23:45.560 --> 00:23:46.860
 of culture

00:23:46.860 --> 00:23:47.280
 at this

00:23:47.280 --> 00:23:47.580
 point.

00:23:47.700 --> 00:23:48.260
 I would

00:23:48.260 --> 00:23:48.760
 imagine

00:23:48.760 --> 00:23:49.800
 where people

00:23:49.800 --> 00:23:50.400
 have adopted

00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:50.840
 this,

00:23:51.040 --> 00:23:52.140
 it's part

00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:52.400
 of the

00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:53.080
 DNA of

00:23:53.080 --> 00:23:53.540
 what you

00:23:53.540 --> 00:23:53.800
 guys are

00:23:53.800 --> 00:23:53.960
 doing.

00:23:54.100 --> 00:23:54.360
 It's not

00:23:54.360 --> 00:23:54.960
 really an

00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:55.300
 add-on

00:23:55.300 --> 00:23:55.620
 at this

00:23:55.620 --> 00:23:55.920
 point.

00:23:56.280 --> 00:23:56.480
 It's

00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:56.800
 getting,

00:23:57.080 --> 00:23:57.320
 yeah,

00:23:57.460 --> 00:23:58.260
 I can see

00:23:58.260 --> 00:23:58.420
 that.

00:23:58.600 --> 00:23:59.340
 What's cool

00:23:59.340 --> 00:23:59.980
 for me to

00:23:59.980 --> 00:24:00.640
 watch is

00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:01.920
 I hear

00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:02.380
 other

00:24:02.380 --> 00:24:02.880
 leaders

00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:03.920
 in their

00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:04.140
 own

00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:04.620
 spaces,

00:24:05.060 --> 00:24:06.060
 or we've

00:24:06.060 --> 00:24:07.360
 got a

00:24:07.360 --> 00:24:08.120
 couple groups

00:24:08.120 --> 00:24:08.420
 of leaders

00:24:08.420 --> 00:24:09.080
 pulling off

00:24:09.080 --> 00:24:09.360
 their own

00:24:09.360 --> 00:24:09.920
 conference

00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:10.400
 and things.

00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:11.440
 They're

00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:11.880
 actually

00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:12.860
 speaking the

00:24:12.860 --> 00:24:15.120
 same values

00:24:15.120 --> 00:24:16.460
 in their

00:24:16.460 --> 00:24:17.160
 settings on

00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:17.660
 their own.

00:24:18.260 --> 00:24:18.580
 It's not

00:24:18.580 --> 00:24:19.620
 like I

00:24:19.620 --> 00:24:20.040
 didn't tell

00:24:20.040 --> 00:24:20.320
 them to

00:24:20.320 --> 00:24:20.820
 say those

00:24:20.820 --> 00:24:21.300
 things or

00:24:21.300 --> 00:24:21.580
 do those

00:24:21.580 --> 00:24:21.760
 things.

00:24:21.840 --> 00:24:22.260
 That's when

00:24:22.260 --> 00:24:22.680
 you start

00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:23.660
 knowing that

00:24:23.660 --> 00:24:24.360
 the culture

00:24:24.360 --> 00:24:24.960
 is really

00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:25.360
 changing.

00:24:26.100 --> 00:24:26.720
 You've

00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:27.120
 made some

00:24:27.120 --> 00:24:27.660
 progress.

00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:29.920
 We've

00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:30.320
 still got a

00:24:30.320 --> 00:24:30.720
 long ways

00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:31.060
 to go.

00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:31.400
 Don't get

00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:31.780
 me wrong.

00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:34.160
 There's

00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:34.560
 more and

00:24:34.560 --> 00:24:35.060
 more ground

00:24:35.060 --> 00:24:35.520
 being taken

00:24:35.520 --> 00:24:36.040
 every day.

00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:38.000
 It's

00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:38.440
 exciting

00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:39.240
 watching people

00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:39.760
 lean in.

00:24:40.520 --> 00:24:41.740
 That is

00:24:41.740 --> 00:24:42.760
 very exciting

00:24:42.760 --> 00:24:43.900
 with somebody

00:24:43.900 --> 00:24:45.300
 owning a

00:24:45.300 --> 00:24:45.660
 piece of

00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:46.080
 this and

00:24:46.080 --> 00:24:46.800
 reproducing,

00:24:46.940 --> 00:24:47.600
 replicating it

00:24:47.600 --> 00:24:47.960
 even in

00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:48.580
 their own.

00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:49.980
 You're

00:24:49.980 --> 00:24:50.460
 talking about

00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:50.780
 leadership.

00:24:51.020 --> 00:24:51.480
 That's when

00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:51.680
 you know

00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:51.960
 you're being

00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:52.320
 effective,

00:24:52.420 --> 00:24:52.860
 when somebody

00:24:52.860 --> 00:24:53.280
 else is

00:24:53.280 --> 00:24:53.720
 picking up

00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:54.160
 your mantle

00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:54.960
 and carrying

00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:55.240
 it.

00:24:55.820 --> 00:24:57.100
 Let's

00:24:57.100 --> 00:24:57.440
 unpack.

00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:57.860
 I had a

00:24:57.860 --> 00:24:58.020
 couple

00:24:58.020 --> 00:24:58.500
 questions

00:24:58.500 --> 00:24:58.800
 here.

00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:00.760
 The

00:25:00.760 --> 00:25:01.300
 essential

00:25:01.300 --> 00:25:01.960
 ecclesiology

00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:02.580
 comes down

00:25:02.580 --> 00:25:04.220
 to discipleship

00:25:04.220 --> 00:25:05.220
 towards mission

00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:06.400
 and towards

00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:06.780
 community.

00:25:06.780 --> 00:25:08.560
 Here on the

00:25:08.560 --> 00:25:08.900
 podcast,

00:25:09.040 --> 00:25:09.600
 we talk a lot

00:25:09.600 --> 00:25:10.900
 about digital

00:25:10.900 --> 00:25:11.660
 only expressions

00:25:11.660 --> 00:25:12.640
 of church.

00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:14.400
 The idea

00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:15.300
 of an

00:25:15.300 --> 00:25:15.660
 essential

00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:16.460
 ecclesiology

00:25:16.460 --> 00:25:16.980
 and digital

00:25:16.980 --> 00:25:17.380
 space.

00:25:17.540 --> 00:25:18.440
 We talk

00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:18.980
 about this

00:25:18.980 --> 00:25:19.740
 with planters

00:25:19.740 --> 00:25:20.060
 who are

00:25:20.060 --> 00:25:20.560
 wrestling with

00:25:20.560 --> 00:25:20.920
 the same

00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:21.220
 sort of

00:25:21.220 --> 00:25:21.440
 stuff.

00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:22.240
 It's really

00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:22.900
 exciting for

00:25:22.900 --> 00:25:24.060
 me to

00:25:24.060 --> 00:25:24.460
 see a

00:25:24.460 --> 00:25:25.160
 denomination

00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:26.560
 three years

00:25:26.560 --> 00:25:26.840
 years ago

00:25:26.840 --> 00:25:27.100
 being

00:25:27.100 --> 00:25:27.440
 forward

00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:27.740
 thinking

00:25:27.740 --> 00:25:28.160
 enough

00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:28.520
 to try

00:25:28.520 --> 00:25:28.920
 to make

00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:29.300
 this

00:25:29.300 --> 00:25:30.000
 easier.

00:25:30.100 --> 00:25:30.240
 Whether

00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:30.640
 digital

00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:30.980
 was in

00:25:30.980 --> 00:25:31.100
 your

00:25:31.100 --> 00:25:31.420
 mindset

00:25:31.420 --> 00:25:31.640
 in

00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:32.340
 2017,

00:25:32.620 --> 00:25:32.880
 whatever,

00:25:33.360 --> 00:25:34.140
 the adjustment

00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:34.860
 with this

00:25:34.860 --> 00:25:36.020
 is very

00:25:36.020 --> 00:25:36.520
 helpful

00:25:36.520 --> 00:25:37.560
 towards moving

00:25:37.560 --> 00:25:38.300
 towards a

00:25:38.300 --> 00:25:38.580
 digital

00:25:38.580 --> 00:25:39.100
 expression

00:25:39.100 --> 00:25:40.100
 of church.

00:25:40.840 --> 00:25:42.240
 I wanted

00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:42.540
 to get

00:25:42.540 --> 00:25:42.920
 your opinion

00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:43.520
 on something

00:25:43.520 --> 00:25:44.300
 because for

00:25:44.300 --> 00:25:44.620
 me,

00:25:45.280 --> 00:25:46.100
 discipleship

00:25:46.100 --> 00:25:46.580
 in digital

00:25:46.580 --> 00:25:47.060
 space,

00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:48.280
 this is

00:25:48.280 --> 00:25:48.540
 going to

00:25:48.540 --> 00:25:49.320
 become my

00:25:49.320 --> 00:25:50.040
 mantra

00:25:50.040 --> 00:25:50.480
 for

00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:51.100
 2021.

00:25:52.100 --> 00:25:52.640
 The

00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:53.320
 church,

00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:53.760
 COVID,

00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:54.440
 we made

00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:54.960
 massive

00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:55.480
 hurdles

00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:56.360
 towards

00:25:56.360 --> 00:25:56.880
 getting

00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:57.740
 churches

00:25:57.740 --> 00:25:58.540
 online,

00:25:58.820 --> 00:25:59.200
 doing

00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:00.100
 broadcasting

00:26:00.100 --> 00:26:00.600
 services,

00:26:00.740 --> 00:26:01.160
 things like

00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:01.500
 this.

00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:02.840
 The pain

00:26:02.840 --> 00:26:03.280
 point for

00:26:03.280 --> 00:26:03.940
 many churches

00:26:03.940 --> 00:26:04.780
 has been

00:26:04.780 --> 00:26:05.760
 this idea

00:26:05.760 --> 00:26:06.880
 of discipleship.

00:26:07.020 --> 00:26:07.540
 I use the

00:26:07.540 --> 00:26:07.820
 phrase

00:26:07.820 --> 00:26:08.340
 disciple

00:26:08.340 --> 00:26:08.680
 making.

00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:09.160
 You can

00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:09.900
 plug in

00:26:09.900 --> 00:26:10.400
 whatever your

00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:11.140
 language here,

00:26:11.260 --> 00:26:11.540
 but it's

00:26:11.540 --> 00:26:12.100
 this idea

00:26:12.100 --> 00:26:12.480
 of

00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:13.580
 discipling,

00:26:13.660 --> 00:26:13.920
 growing

00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:14.440
 someone to

00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:14.800
 the place

00:26:14.800 --> 00:26:15.080
 where they

00:26:15.080 --> 00:26:15.740
 can grow

00:26:15.740 --> 00:26:16.540
 someone else.

00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:17.020
 Great

00:26:17.020 --> 00:26:17.480
 commission

00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:18.620
 moving forward

00:26:18.620 --> 00:26:19.680
 towards that.

00:26:20.040 --> 00:26:20.580
 At least

00:26:20.580 --> 00:26:21.220
 in my

00:26:21.220 --> 00:26:21.520
 opinion.

00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:22.860
 When I'm

00:26:22.860 --> 00:26:23.780
 talking about

00:26:23.780 --> 00:26:24.860
 discipleship

00:26:24.860 --> 00:26:25.740
 and digital

00:26:25.740 --> 00:26:26.660
 discipleship,

00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:28.160
 do you

00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:28.840
 have or

00:26:28.840 --> 00:26:29.160
 have you

00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:29.780
 experienced

00:26:29.780 --> 00:26:30.260
 within the

00:26:30.260 --> 00:26:30.820
 denomination

00:26:30.820 --> 00:26:31.960
 churches

00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:32.400
 that are

00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:32.940
 doing or

00:26:32.940 --> 00:26:33.420
 planters

00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:33.740
 that are

00:26:33.740 --> 00:26:34.100
 doing

00:26:34.100 --> 00:26:35.040
 disciple

00:26:35.040 --> 00:26:35.640
 making

00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:36.660
 discipleship

00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:37.140
 well

00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:38.000
 in digital

00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:38.500
 space?

00:26:38.660 --> 00:26:38.900
 Are there

00:26:38.900 --> 00:26:40.060
 challenges

00:26:40.060 --> 00:26:41.060
 that you're

00:26:41.060 --> 00:26:41.900
 seeing where

00:26:41.900 --> 00:26:42.600
 that may

00:26:42.600 --> 00:26:43.160
 not happen

00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:43.620
 digitally?

00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:44.540
 What's your

00:26:44.540 --> 00:26:45.280
 opinion on

00:26:45.280 --> 00:26:45.780
 this idea

00:26:45.780 --> 00:26:46.540
 of discipleship

00:26:46.540 --> 00:26:46.940
 digitally?

00:26:47.500 --> 00:26:48.480
 I personally

00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:49.000
 love it.

00:26:49.180 --> 00:26:49.580
 I think

00:26:49.580 --> 00:26:51.300
 it's part

00:26:51.300 --> 00:26:51.640
 of the

00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:52.000
 future.

00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:54.140
 I think

00:26:54.140 --> 00:26:55.240
 we're

00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:56.140
 seeing more

00:26:56.140 --> 00:26:56.520
 and more

00:26:56.520 --> 00:26:57.080
 now

00:26:57.080 --> 00:26:59.100
 leaning into

00:26:59.100 --> 00:27:00.560
 that and

00:27:00.560 --> 00:27:02.020
 figuring it

00:27:02.020 --> 00:27:02.300
 out.

00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:02.980
 I think

00:27:02.980 --> 00:27:03.340
 COVID

00:27:03.340 --> 00:27:06.640
 just sped

00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:06.980
 up the

00:27:06.980 --> 00:27:07.720
 process by

00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:08.760
 probably 10

00:27:08.760 --> 00:27:09.160
 years.

00:27:10.980 --> 00:27:12.140
 Every church

00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:12.600
 leader is

00:27:12.600 --> 00:27:13.480
 basically forced

00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:14.080
 to figure it

00:27:14.080 --> 00:27:14.400
 out,

00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:15.840
 whereas before

00:27:15.840 --> 00:27:16.500
 it would

00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:16.880
 probably be

00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:17.380
 a choice.

00:27:17.380 --> 00:27:18.660
 I want to

00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:19.300
 do this

00:27:19.300 --> 00:27:20.560
 or I'll

00:27:20.560 --> 00:27:21.180
 just keep

00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:21.480
 doing what

00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:21.820
 I'm doing.

00:27:22.820 --> 00:27:23.960
 Now everyone

00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:24.680
 is forced

00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:25.060
 into it.

00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:25.540
 We've seen

00:27:25.540 --> 00:27:25.940
 some great

00:27:25.940 --> 00:27:26.500
 things coming

00:27:26.500 --> 00:27:26.900
 out of that

00:27:26.900 --> 00:27:27.120
 and I'm

00:27:27.120 --> 00:27:27.660
 watching some

00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:28.060
 great

00:27:28.060 --> 00:27:31.160
 leadership

00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:31.800
 development

00:27:31.800 --> 00:27:32.460
 start

00:27:32.460 --> 00:27:33.100
 happening.

00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:34.500
 it's been

00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:34.980
 really neat

00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:35.280
 even

00:27:35.280 --> 00:27:36.040
 watching

00:27:36.040 --> 00:27:36.560
 leaders

00:27:36.560 --> 00:27:37.160
 doing

00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:38.560
 different

00:27:38.560 --> 00:27:41.320
 studies

00:27:41.320 --> 00:27:41.520
 and

00:27:41.520 --> 00:27:41.820
 whatnot

00:27:41.820 --> 00:27:42.520
 all on

00:27:42.520 --> 00:27:42.940
 digital

00:27:42.940 --> 00:27:43.580
 platforms

00:27:43.580 --> 00:27:44.360
 and

00:27:44.360 --> 00:27:44.720
 they're

00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:44.920
 getting

00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:45.080
 their

00:27:45.080 --> 00:27:45.360
 message

00:27:45.360 --> 00:27:45.740
 across

00:27:45.740 --> 00:27:46.080
 to a lot

00:27:46.080 --> 00:27:46.260
 more

00:27:46.260 --> 00:27:46.660
 people.

00:27:48.340 --> 00:27:49.640
 I think

00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:50.000
 of it as

00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:50.600
 much more

00:27:50.600 --> 00:27:51.040
 than just

00:27:51.040 --> 00:27:51.800
 broadcasting

00:27:51.800 --> 00:27:52.900
 a service

00:27:52.900 --> 00:27:53.680
 or teaching

00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:54.440
 but it's

00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:55.020
 the actual

00:27:55.020 --> 00:27:55.740
 engagement

00:27:55.740 --> 00:27:57.540
 that's where

00:27:57.540 --> 00:27:58.320
 discipleship

00:27:58.320 --> 00:27:59.200
 actually

00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:00.420
 I think

00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:00.680
 is

00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:01.800
 legitimized

00:28:01.800 --> 00:28:02.460
 in those

00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:03.080
 environments

00:28:03.080 --> 00:28:04.140
 and you

00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:04.480
 could probably

00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:05.160
 make a case

00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:06.220
 like there's

00:28:06.220 --> 00:28:07.360
 actually more

00:28:07.360 --> 00:28:08.780
 discipling

00:28:08.780 --> 00:28:09.660
 and

00:28:09.660 --> 00:28:11.040
 potentially more

00:28:11.040 --> 00:28:11.840
 disciple making

00:28:11.840 --> 00:28:12.380
 happening

00:28:12.380 --> 00:28:13.760
 in a digital

00:28:13.760 --> 00:28:14.980
 context

00:28:14.980 --> 00:28:16.600
 versus physical

00:28:16.600 --> 00:28:17.120
 sometimes.

00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:19.320
 you could

00:28:19.320 --> 00:28:20.460
 say

00:28:20.460 --> 00:28:21.340
 there's a lot

00:28:21.340 --> 00:28:22.020
 of interaction

00:28:22.020 --> 00:28:23.380
 and

00:28:23.380 --> 00:28:24.580
 learning

00:28:24.580 --> 00:28:25.560
 relationship

00:28:25.560 --> 00:28:26.600
 there's some

00:28:26.600 --> 00:28:27.020
 things that the

00:28:27.020 --> 00:28:27.720
 physical space

00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:28.320
 is still great

00:28:28.320 --> 00:28:28.580
 for

00:28:28.580 --> 00:28:30.180
 but

00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:31.600
 if you use

00:28:31.600 --> 00:28:31.980
 it right

00:28:31.980 --> 00:28:33.540
 but oftentimes

00:28:33.540 --> 00:28:34.660
 it's

00:28:34.660 --> 00:28:35.080
 you know

00:28:35.080 --> 00:28:35.520
 in church

00:28:35.520 --> 00:28:36.460
 life

00:28:36.460 --> 00:28:36.920
 I mean

00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:37.220
 it's

00:28:37.220 --> 00:28:37.660
 kind of

00:28:37.660 --> 00:28:37.880
 a

00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:38.800
 come

00:28:38.800 --> 00:28:40.120
 see what

00:28:40.120 --> 00:28:40.640
 we got

00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:41.860
 and sit

00:28:41.860 --> 00:28:42.300
 and watch

00:28:42.300 --> 00:28:42.520
 it

00:28:42.520 --> 00:28:43.380
 and

00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:44.080
 where the

00:28:44.080 --> 00:28:44.800
 digital space

00:28:44.800 --> 00:28:45.460
 really just

00:28:45.460 --> 00:28:45.980
 forces you

00:28:45.980 --> 00:28:46.560
 to interact

00:28:46.560 --> 00:28:47.120
 I mean

00:28:47.120 --> 00:28:47.500
 yeah

00:28:47.500 --> 00:28:48.220
 that

00:28:48.220 --> 00:28:48.980
 that becomes

00:28:48.980 --> 00:28:49.540
 more and more

00:28:49.540 --> 00:28:50.220
 the go-to

00:28:50.220 --> 00:28:51.240
 like let's

00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:51.620
 dig in

00:28:51.620 --> 00:28:52.080
 let's go

00:28:52.080 --> 00:28:52.540
 somewhere

00:28:52.540 --> 00:28:53.760
 together

00:28:53.760 --> 00:28:54.800
 definitely

00:28:54.800 --> 00:28:55.520
 and I just

00:28:55.520 --> 00:28:56.060
 want to publicly

00:28:56.060 --> 00:28:56.660
 say I did

00:28:56.660 --> 00:28:57.320
 not prompt

00:28:57.320 --> 00:28:57.980
 nor script

00:28:57.980 --> 00:28:58.560
 him to say

00:28:58.560 --> 00:28:59.140
 any of what

00:28:59.140 --> 00:28:59.800
 he just said

00:28:59.800 --> 00:29:01.060
 and you

00:29:01.060 --> 00:29:01.500
 don't know

00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:01.700
 but

00:29:01.700 --> 00:29:03.640
 oh no

00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:05.220
 that check's

00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:05.720
 gonna bounce

00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:06.160
 my friend

00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:06.560
 I hate to

00:29:06.560 --> 00:29:07.100
 tell you that

00:29:07.100 --> 00:29:07.900
 wow

00:29:07.900 --> 00:29:08.960
 but

00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:09.600
 but that

00:29:09.600 --> 00:29:10.280
 just I

00:29:10.280 --> 00:29:10.780
 continually

00:29:10.780 --> 00:29:11.480
 say things

00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:11.980
 like that

00:29:11.980 --> 00:29:12.700
 and sometimes

00:29:12.700 --> 00:29:13.600
 people are

00:29:13.600 --> 00:29:14.180
 like yes

00:29:14.180 --> 00:29:14.820
 that's incredible

00:29:14.820 --> 00:29:15.640
 yes I agree

00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:16.120
 and some people

00:29:16.120 --> 00:29:16.560
 are like you're

00:29:16.560 --> 00:29:16.900
 crazy

00:29:16.900 --> 00:29:18.540
 but it's

00:29:18.540 --> 00:29:19.620
 amazing to me

00:29:19.620 --> 00:29:20.220
 how much

00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:21.060
 this

00:29:21.060 --> 00:29:22.400
 bifurcated

00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:23.120
 how many

00:29:23.120 --> 00:29:23.780
 people

00:29:23.780 --> 00:29:24.380
 would

00:29:24.380 --> 00:29:25.060
 or it's just

00:29:25.060 --> 00:29:25.600
 50-50

00:29:25.600 --> 00:29:26.180
 it's divided

00:29:26.180 --> 00:29:27.080
 normally when I speak

00:29:27.080 --> 00:29:28.620
 on digital

00:29:28.620 --> 00:29:29.360
 church planting

00:29:29.360 --> 00:29:30.280
 like I'll ask

00:29:30.280 --> 00:29:30.740
 up front

00:29:30.740 --> 00:29:32.120
 who thinks

00:29:32.120 --> 00:29:32.780
 this is a great

00:29:32.780 --> 00:29:33.080
 idea

00:29:33.080 --> 00:29:33.600
 and who thinks

00:29:33.600 --> 00:29:34.260
 this is a horrible

00:29:34.260 --> 00:29:34.620
 idea

00:29:34.620 --> 00:29:35.100
 and it's typically

00:29:35.100 --> 00:29:35.880
 50-50

00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:37.120
 60-40

00:29:37.120 --> 00:29:37.800
 40-60

00:29:37.800 --> 00:29:38.500
 somewhere

00:29:38.500 --> 00:29:39.000
 you know

00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:39.640
 back and forth

00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:40.280
 within there

00:29:40.280 --> 00:29:41.220
 where even

00:29:41.220 --> 00:29:41.620
 like the

00:29:41.620 --> 00:29:42.240
 organizations

00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:42.700
 who bring

00:29:42.700 --> 00:29:43.080
 me in

00:29:43.080 --> 00:29:43.500
 they know

00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:43.840
 there's

00:29:43.840 --> 00:29:44.260
 people in

00:29:44.260 --> 00:29:44.620
 the room

00:29:44.620 --> 00:29:46.180
 that don't

00:29:46.180 --> 00:29:47.220
 agree with

00:29:47.220 --> 00:29:47.400
 this

00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:47.840
 and it's

00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:48.440
 an unproven

00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:48.860
 concept

00:29:48.860 --> 00:29:49.940
 there is

00:29:49.940 --> 00:29:50.380
 success

00:29:50.380 --> 00:29:51.080
 but we're

00:29:51.080 --> 00:29:51.560
 not seeing

00:29:51.560 --> 00:29:51.980
 it at a

00:29:51.980 --> 00:29:52.820
 large level

00:29:52.820 --> 00:29:53.100
 yet

00:29:53.100 --> 00:29:54.060
 so I get

00:29:54.060 --> 00:29:54.320
 it

00:29:54.320 --> 00:29:55.380
 I understand

00:29:55.380 --> 00:29:55.820
 that

00:29:55.820 --> 00:29:56.420
 but I love

00:29:56.420 --> 00:29:57.540
 your heart

00:29:57.540 --> 00:29:58.740
 and hey

00:29:58.740 --> 00:29:59.400
 you know what

00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.020
 we can actually

00:30:00.020 --> 00:30:00.600
 probably see

00:30:00.600 --> 00:30:01.280
 better results

00:30:01.280 --> 00:30:01.960
 of discipling

00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:02.360
 people in

00:30:02.360 --> 00:30:03.020
 digital space

00:30:03.020 --> 00:30:03.600
 than we can

00:30:03.600 --> 00:30:04.820
 in physical

00:30:04.820 --> 00:30:05.460
 and that

00:30:05.460 --> 00:30:06.220
 come and see

00:30:06.220 --> 00:30:07.300
 approach

00:30:07.300 --> 00:30:08.340
 has been

00:30:08.340 --> 00:30:09.320
 very pervasive

00:30:09.320 --> 00:30:10.060
 in our

00:30:10.060 --> 00:30:11.120
 physical space

00:30:11.120 --> 00:30:12.220
 and that if

00:30:12.220 --> 00:30:12.600
 we can be

00:30:12.600 --> 00:30:13.040
 intentional

00:30:13.040 --> 00:30:13.680
 in overcoming

00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:14.320
 that digitally

00:30:14.320 --> 00:30:14.820
 you're right

00:30:14.820 --> 00:30:15.300
 I think that's

00:30:15.300 --> 00:30:15.900
 a big win

00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:17.040
 for the digital

00:30:17.040 --> 00:30:17.500
 church

00:30:17.500 --> 00:30:18.120
 talk to me

00:30:18.120 --> 00:30:18.560
 a little bit

00:30:18.560 --> 00:30:18.980
 here

00:30:18.980 --> 00:30:20.620
 about this

00:30:20.620 --> 00:30:21.340
 idea of

00:30:21.340 --> 00:30:21.980
 community

00:30:21.980 --> 00:30:22.500
 because you're

00:30:22.500 --> 00:30:22.820
 really

00:30:22.820 --> 00:30:23.900
 by doing

00:30:23.900 --> 00:30:24.580
 this digitally

00:30:24.580 --> 00:30:25.360
 and even

00:30:25.360 --> 00:30:25.700
 here you're

00:30:25.700 --> 00:30:26.000
 really

00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:27.140
 redefining

00:30:27.140 --> 00:30:27.720
 community

00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:28.200
 you're making

00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:28.640
 it easier

00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:29.480
 for micro

00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:30.360
 gatherings

00:30:30.360 --> 00:30:31.340
 for digital

00:30:31.340 --> 00:30:32.100
 gatherings

00:30:32.100 --> 00:30:33.840
 which once

00:30:33.840 --> 00:30:34.180
 again

00:30:34.180 --> 00:30:35.260
 can be a

00:30:35.260 --> 00:30:35.520
 very

00:30:35.520 --> 00:30:36.220
 controversial

00:30:36.220 --> 00:30:37.500
 thing

00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:38.580
 from an

00:30:38.580 --> 00:30:38.840
 older

00:30:38.840 --> 00:30:39.460
 denomination

00:30:39.460 --> 00:30:40.020
 that's used

00:30:40.020 --> 00:30:40.420
 to having

00:30:40.420 --> 00:30:41.180
 things done

00:30:41.180 --> 00:30:42.160
 a certain

00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:42.580
 way

00:30:42.580 --> 00:30:43.840
 has that

00:30:43.840 --> 00:30:44.260
 been a

00:30:44.260 --> 00:30:44.880
 controversial

00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:45.740
 move

00:30:45.740 --> 00:30:46.320
 maybe what

00:30:46.320 --> 00:30:46.640
 was some

00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:46.960
 of the

00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:47.400
 logic

00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:48.340
 that you

00:30:48.340 --> 00:30:48.640
 used

00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:48.900
 what was

00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:49.040
 some

00:30:49.040 --> 00:30:49.300
 of the

00:30:49.300 --> 00:30:49.680
 scripture

00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:50.160
 that you

00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:50.540
 used

00:30:50.540 --> 00:30:50.840
 to maybe

00:30:50.840 --> 00:30:51.660
 justify

00:30:51.660 --> 00:30:53.020
 redefining

00:30:53.020 --> 00:30:53.560
 some of

00:30:53.560 --> 00:30:54.580
 that community

00:30:54.580 --> 00:30:55.540
 yeah that's

00:30:55.540 --> 00:30:55.760
 a great

00:30:55.760 --> 00:30:56.140
 question

00:30:56.140 --> 00:30:56.940
 I think

00:30:56.940 --> 00:30:58.320
 there's

00:30:58.320 --> 00:30:59.480
 certainly

00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:00.800
 that's

00:31:00.800 --> 00:31:01.160
 where

00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:02.180
 you know

00:31:02.180 --> 00:31:02.600
 you go

00:31:02.600 --> 00:31:03.160
 from

00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:03.580
 the

00:31:03.580 --> 00:31:04.480
 ideas

00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:05.200
 of

00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:05.560
 like

00:31:05.560 --> 00:31:05.760
 the

00:31:05.760 --> 00:31:06.280
 unleashed

00:31:06.280 --> 00:31:06.760
 event

00:31:06.760 --> 00:31:07.080
 that we

00:31:07.080 --> 00:31:07.300
 held

00:31:07.300 --> 00:31:07.560
 right

00:31:07.560 --> 00:31:08.260
 there's

00:31:08.260 --> 00:31:08.500
 a lot

00:31:08.500 --> 00:31:08.600
 of

00:31:08.600 --> 00:31:08.980
 ideas

00:31:08.980 --> 00:31:09.320
 out there

00:31:09.320 --> 00:31:09.540
 and then

00:31:09.540 --> 00:31:09.740
 you get

00:31:09.740 --> 00:31:10.080
 into the

00:31:10.080 --> 00:31:10.440
 practical

00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:10.880
 like we're

00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:11.120
 actually

00:31:11.120 --> 00:31:11.400
 going to

00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:11.920
 do this

00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:13.180
 and we

00:31:13.180 --> 00:31:13.720
 want approval

00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:15.220
 or maybe

00:31:15.220 --> 00:31:15.600
 we'd like

00:31:15.600 --> 00:31:15.920
 money

00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:17.520
 those sorts

00:31:17.520 --> 00:31:18.080
 of conversations

00:31:18.080 --> 00:31:18.500
 that's where

00:31:18.500 --> 00:31:18.880
 it's like

00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:19.860
 okay we

00:31:19.860 --> 00:31:20.100
 got to

00:31:20.100 --> 00:31:21.000
 really dig

00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:21.420
 in here

00:31:21.420 --> 00:31:22.000
 and talk

00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:22.320
 about what

00:31:22.320 --> 00:31:22.860
 this is

00:31:22.860 --> 00:31:24.580
 and you

00:31:24.580 --> 00:31:24.800
 know

00:31:24.800 --> 00:31:25.820
 hopefully

00:31:25.820 --> 00:31:27.080
 have a

00:31:27.080 --> 00:31:27.380
 permission

00:31:27.380 --> 00:31:28.180
 giving atmosphere

00:31:28.180 --> 00:31:28.780
 around that

00:31:28.780 --> 00:31:30.040
 and

00:31:30.040 --> 00:31:31.100
 you know

00:31:31.100 --> 00:31:31.620
 encourage it

00:31:31.620 --> 00:31:31.960
 to move

00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:32.260
 forward

00:31:32.260 --> 00:31:32.900
 but I

00:31:32.900 --> 00:31:33.060
 think

00:31:33.060 --> 00:31:33.520
 that's

00:31:33.520 --> 00:31:33.920
 where

00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:34.860
 you know

00:31:34.860 --> 00:31:37.160
 when you're

00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:37.740
 defining

00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:38.860
 community

00:31:38.860 --> 00:31:39.640
 differently

00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:41.440
 and the

00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:42.000
 results

00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:43.560
 are

00:31:43.560 --> 00:31:44.280
 untested

00:31:44.280 --> 00:31:44.680
 like you're

00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:45.800
 just not

00:31:45.800 --> 00:31:46.800
 completely sure

00:31:46.800 --> 00:31:47.800
 about this

00:31:47.800 --> 00:31:49.180
 whereas

00:31:49.180 --> 00:31:50.100
 some of the

00:31:50.100 --> 00:31:50.700
 older models

00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:51.120
 we might

00:31:51.120 --> 00:31:51.620
 have a

00:31:51.620 --> 00:31:51.920
 formula

00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:52.880
 like I

00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:53.180
 mean we've

00:31:53.180 --> 00:31:53.860
 nailed it

00:31:53.860 --> 00:31:55.120
 we know

00:31:55.120 --> 00:31:55.880
 the church

00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:56.280
 planting

00:31:56.280 --> 00:31:56.860
 formula

00:31:56.860 --> 00:31:57.220
 from

00:31:57.220 --> 00:31:57.920
 you know

00:31:57.920 --> 00:31:58.720
 the 90s

00:31:58.720 --> 00:31:58.980
 and early

00:31:58.980 --> 00:31:59.720
 2000s

00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:00.240
 like we

00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:00.660
 know how

00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:01.000
 to do

00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:01.580
 that form

00:32:01.580 --> 00:32:01.940
 of church

00:32:01.940 --> 00:32:02.320
 planting

00:32:02.320 --> 00:32:04.360
 and it'll

00:32:04.360 --> 00:32:04.800
 create

00:32:04.800 --> 00:32:05.780
 you know

00:32:05.780 --> 00:32:06.600
 a product

00:32:06.600 --> 00:32:07.100
 like you

00:32:07.100 --> 00:32:07.700
 you'll know

00:32:07.700 --> 00:32:08.320
 what you can

00:32:08.320 --> 00:32:08.840
 expect

00:32:08.840 --> 00:32:09.240
 whereas

00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:09.820
 when you're

00:32:09.820 --> 00:32:10.160
 talking about

00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:11.140
 micro church

00:32:11.140 --> 00:32:11.600
 development

00:32:11.600 --> 00:32:12.280
 and network

00:32:12.280 --> 00:32:13.300
 micro network

00:32:13.300 --> 00:32:13.760
 development

00:32:13.760 --> 00:32:15.920
 we're not

00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:17.520
 entirely sure

00:32:17.520 --> 00:32:18.320
 about what

00:32:18.320 --> 00:32:19.040
 will happen

00:32:19.040 --> 00:32:19.700
 in that space

00:32:19.700 --> 00:32:20.720
 but we know

00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:21.180
 we need to

00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:21.600
 do it

00:32:21.600 --> 00:32:22.400
 so

00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:23.680
 we have

00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:24.340
 to experiment

00:32:24.340 --> 00:32:25.000
 in those

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:25.360
 realms

00:32:25.360 --> 00:32:26.100
 and give

00:32:26.100 --> 00:32:26.480
 people the

00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:26.660
 freedom

00:32:26.660 --> 00:32:27.120
 to go

00:32:27.120 --> 00:32:27.860
 and do

00:32:27.860 --> 00:32:28.060
 that

00:32:28.060 --> 00:32:28.500
 to reach

00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:29.120
 the people

00:32:29.120 --> 00:32:29.900
 that aren't

00:32:29.900 --> 00:32:30.580
 just showing

00:32:30.580 --> 00:32:31.260
 up to

00:32:31.260 --> 00:32:31.960
 their church

00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:33.080
 and so

00:32:33.080 --> 00:32:33.600
 it's going

00:32:33.600 --> 00:32:34.000
 to those

00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:34.400
 places

00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:34.760
 where

00:32:34.760 --> 00:32:36.660
 and doing

00:32:36.660 --> 00:32:37.240
 things

00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:38.420
 in a

00:32:38.420 --> 00:32:39.040
 creative way

00:32:39.040 --> 00:32:39.360
 that's

00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:39.760
 going to

00:32:39.760 --> 00:32:39.980
 reach

00:32:39.980 --> 00:32:40.340
 people

00:32:40.340 --> 00:32:40.760
 that feel

00:32:40.760 --> 00:32:41.400
 uncomfortable

00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:41.940
 with

00:32:41.940 --> 00:32:43.560
 basically

00:32:43.560 --> 00:32:44.520
 the

00:32:44.520 --> 00:32:45.420
 established

00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:45.780
 church

00:32:45.780 --> 00:32:46.080
 as it

00:32:46.080 --> 00:32:46.360
 is

00:32:46.360 --> 00:32:47.500
 and

00:32:47.500 --> 00:32:48.320
 or have

00:32:48.320 --> 00:32:48.920
 no real

00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:49.360
 knowledge

00:32:49.360 --> 00:32:49.740
 or care

00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:50.220
 for it

00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.400
 and so

00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:52.220
 we're

00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:52.480
 actually

00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:53.040
 we're

00:32:53.040 --> 00:32:53.960
 you know

00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:54.300
 we've said

00:32:54.300 --> 00:32:54.500
 it for

00:32:54.500 --> 00:32:54.720
 years

00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:54.960
 in the

00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:55.140
 church

00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:55.320
 like

00:32:55.320 --> 00:32:55.580
 we got

00:32:55.580 --> 00:32:55.800
 to go

00:32:55.800 --> 00:32:56.220
 to them

00:32:56.220 --> 00:32:56.480
 you know

00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:56.620
 they're

00:32:56.620 --> 00:32:56.980
 not coming

00:32:56.980 --> 00:32:57.280
 to us

00:32:57.280 --> 00:32:57.480
 we got

00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:57.640
 to go

00:32:57.640 --> 00:32:57.980
 to them

00:32:57.980 --> 00:32:58.620
 but now

00:32:58.620 --> 00:32:58.760
 we're

00:32:58.760 --> 00:32:58.980
 actually

00:32:58.980 --> 00:32:59.500
 doing that

00:32:59.500 --> 00:32:59.960
 and creating

00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:00.180
 these

00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:00.720
 contexts

00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:01.140
 for that

00:33:01.140 --> 00:33:01.600
 to happen

00:33:01.600 --> 00:33:02.860
 and

00:33:02.860 --> 00:33:04.020
 and that's

00:33:04.020 --> 00:33:04.300
 where

00:33:04.300 --> 00:33:04.860
 I think

00:33:04.860 --> 00:33:05.100
 you're

00:33:05.100 --> 00:33:05.280
 leaning

00:33:05.280 --> 00:33:05.560
 into

00:33:05.560 --> 00:33:05.760
 the

00:33:05.760 --> 00:33:06.320
 pioneering

00:33:06.320 --> 00:33:07.340
 leaders

00:33:07.340 --> 00:33:08.380
 who are

00:33:08.380 --> 00:33:08.620
 going to

00:33:08.620 --> 00:33:08.900
 start

00:33:08.900 --> 00:33:09.120
 new

00:33:09.120 --> 00:33:09.600
 things

00:33:09.600 --> 00:33:11.620
 and that's

00:33:11.620 --> 00:33:11.880
 kind of

00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:12.620
 the space

00:33:12.620 --> 00:33:13.240
 it's kind

00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:13.460
 of the

00:33:13.460 --> 00:33:13.780
 space

00:33:13.780 --> 00:33:14.360
 in between

00:33:14.360 --> 00:33:15.460
 a disciple

00:33:15.460 --> 00:33:15.900
 maker

00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:16.880
 and a

00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:17.080
 church

00:33:17.080 --> 00:33:17.520
 planter

00:33:17.520 --> 00:33:18.600
 and what

00:33:18.600 --> 00:33:19.240
 we recognize

00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:20.980
 is there's

00:33:20.980 --> 00:33:21.420
 a gap

00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:21.900
 right there

00:33:21.900 --> 00:33:22.760
 you know

00:33:22.760 --> 00:33:23.400
 it's hard

00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:24.520
 to just

00:33:24.520 --> 00:33:24.980
 go from

00:33:24.980 --> 00:33:25.420
 like I'm

00:33:25.420 --> 00:33:25.940
 a disciple

00:33:25.940 --> 00:33:26.360
 maker

00:33:26.360 --> 00:33:27.140
 I'm making

00:33:27.140 --> 00:33:27.840
 disciples in

00:33:27.840 --> 00:33:28.340
 my church

00:33:28.340 --> 00:33:28.620
 and this

00:33:28.620 --> 00:33:29.100
 is great

00:33:29.100 --> 00:33:30.300
 and I'm

00:33:30.300 --> 00:33:30.560
 you know

00:33:30.560 --> 00:33:31.000
 influencing

00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:31.640
 all these

00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:32.000
 people

00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:32.340
 but

00:33:32.340 --> 00:33:33.080
 and then

00:33:33.080 --> 00:33:33.700
 to have

00:33:33.700 --> 00:33:34.020
 a church

00:33:34.020 --> 00:33:34.260
 planning

00:33:34.260 --> 00:33:34.820
 conversation

00:33:34.820 --> 00:33:35.160
 with them

00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:35.480
 well you

00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:35.820
 might be

00:33:35.820 --> 00:33:36.140
 a church

00:33:36.140 --> 00:33:36.460
 planner

00:33:36.460 --> 00:33:37.740
 you know

00:33:37.740 --> 00:33:38.620
 that's

00:33:38.620 --> 00:33:38.940
 a big

00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:39.300
 jump

00:33:39.300 --> 00:33:39.940
 and so

00:33:39.940 --> 00:33:40.180
 you need

00:33:40.180 --> 00:33:40.460
 something

00:33:40.460 --> 00:33:41.020
 in between

00:33:41.020 --> 00:33:42.060
 and we've

00:33:42.060 --> 00:33:42.660
 we've

00:33:42.660 --> 00:33:43.060
 kind of

00:33:43.060 --> 00:33:43.680
 described

00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:44.100
 that

00:33:44.100 --> 00:33:45.300
 as a

00:33:45.300 --> 00:33:45.840
 pioneering

00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:46.200
 leader

00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:47.220
 so we're

00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:47.580
 leaning

00:33:47.580 --> 00:33:47.960
 into the

00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:48.080
 word

00:33:48.080 --> 00:33:48.520
 pioneer

00:33:48.520 --> 00:33:50.220
 and it's

00:33:50.220 --> 00:33:50.620
 interesting

00:33:50.620 --> 00:33:51.460
 before we

00:33:51.460 --> 00:33:51.740
 used the

00:33:51.740 --> 00:33:51.860
 word

00:33:51.860 --> 00:33:52.180
 church

00:33:52.180 --> 00:33:52.760
 planter

00:33:52.760 --> 00:33:53.200
 before

00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:53.680
 like the

00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:54.040
 90s

00:33:54.040 --> 00:33:54.300
 back in

00:33:54.300 --> 00:33:54.900
 the 80s

00:33:54.900 --> 00:33:55.520
 70s

00:33:55.520 --> 00:33:55.960
 and 80s

00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:56.260
 I think

00:33:56.260 --> 00:33:57.680
 we used

00:33:57.680 --> 00:33:58.220
 the word

00:33:58.220 --> 00:33:58.720
 you know

00:33:58.720 --> 00:33:59.000
 church

00:33:59.000 --> 00:33:59.440
 pioneer

00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:00.240
 like that

00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:00.500
 was our

00:34:00.500 --> 00:34:00.900
 language

00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:01.840
 in the

00:34:01.840 --> 00:34:02.120
 church

00:34:02.120 --> 00:34:02.860
 and

00:34:02.860 --> 00:34:03.700
 you know

00:34:03.700 --> 00:34:04.000
 because

00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:04.320
 you're

00:34:04.320 --> 00:34:04.700
 doing

00:34:04.700 --> 00:34:05.120
 you're

00:34:05.120 --> 00:34:05.420
 blazing

00:34:05.420 --> 00:34:05.700
 a new

00:34:05.700 --> 00:34:05.960
 trail

00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:06.420
 you're

00:34:06.420 --> 00:34:06.580
 going

00:34:06.580 --> 00:34:06.840
 a new

00:34:06.840 --> 00:34:07.160
 way

00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:08.420
 and

00:34:08.420 --> 00:34:09.440
 you're

00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:10.080
 pioneering

00:34:10.080 --> 00:34:10.280
 these

00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:10.420
 new

00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:10.620
 things

00:34:10.620 --> 00:34:11.280
 so I

00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:11.460
 think

00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:11.900
 for us

00:34:11.900 --> 00:34:12.480
 the

00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:12.900
 micro

00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:13.300
 church

00:34:13.300 --> 00:34:14.640
 development

00:34:14.640 --> 00:34:15.480
 is really

00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:16.760
 a great

00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:17.180
 space

00:34:17.180 --> 00:34:17.540
 for the

00:34:17.540 --> 00:34:18.260
 lay led

00:34:18.260 --> 00:34:18.980
 pioneering

00:34:18.980 --> 00:34:19.320
 leader

00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:19.820
 movement

00:34:19.820 --> 00:34:21.140
 and

00:34:21.140 --> 00:34:22.040
 it

00:34:22.040 --> 00:34:22.880
 helps

00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:23.500
 kind of

00:34:23.500 --> 00:34:23.720
 take

00:34:23.720 --> 00:34:24.140
 someone

00:34:24.140 --> 00:34:25.140
 beyond

00:34:25.140 --> 00:34:25.840
 just

00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:26.240
 the

00:34:26.240 --> 00:34:26.640
 disciple

00:34:26.640 --> 00:34:27.100
 making

00:34:27.100 --> 00:34:28.540
 you know

00:34:28.540 --> 00:34:29.160
 category

00:34:29.160 --> 00:34:30.080
 but then

00:34:30.080 --> 00:34:30.220
 you're

00:34:30.220 --> 00:34:30.460
 talking

00:34:30.460 --> 00:34:30.700
 about

00:34:30.700 --> 00:34:31.100
 this is

00:34:31.100 --> 00:34:31.540
 this is

00:34:31.540 --> 00:34:31.740
 someone

00:34:31.740 --> 00:34:32.000
 who's

00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:32.120
 going

00:34:32.120 --> 00:34:32.560
 to be

00:34:32.560 --> 00:34:33.400
 you know

00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:33.760
 starting

00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:34.020
 new

00:34:34.020 --> 00:34:34.520
 things

00:34:34.520 --> 00:34:35.340
 and more

00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:35.560
 of a

00:34:35.560 --> 00:34:35.840
 movement

00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:36.260
 maker

00:34:36.260 --> 00:34:38.040
 in their

00:34:38.040 --> 00:34:38.620
 context

00:34:38.620 --> 00:34:39.680
 and then

00:34:39.680 --> 00:34:39.880
 you can

00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:40.180
 talk about

00:34:40.180 --> 00:34:40.720
 the next

00:34:40.720 --> 00:34:41.160
 level

00:34:41.160 --> 00:34:42.240
 is someone

00:34:42.240 --> 00:34:42.560
 who's

00:34:42.560 --> 00:34:43.420
 overseeing

00:34:43.420 --> 00:34:44.880
 all of

00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:45.240
 those

00:34:45.240 --> 00:34:45.940
 types

00:34:45.940 --> 00:34:46.420
 of people

00:34:46.420 --> 00:34:47.520
 that

00:34:47.520 --> 00:34:48.300
 would be

00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:48.920
 pioneering

00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:49.240
 leaders

00:34:49.240 --> 00:34:49.600
 so there

00:34:49.600 --> 00:34:49.860
 is

00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:50.720
 still

00:34:50.720 --> 00:34:50.960
 that

00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:51.340
 sending

00:34:51.340 --> 00:34:51.760
 church

00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:51.960
 that

00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:52.680
 catalytic

00:34:52.680 --> 00:34:53.020
 leader

00:34:53.020 --> 00:34:53.640
 that is

00:34:53.640 --> 00:34:54.180
 needed

00:34:54.180 --> 00:34:55.580
 and so

00:34:55.580 --> 00:34:56.160
 I think

00:34:56.160 --> 00:34:56.400
 that's

00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:56.620
 where

00:34:56.620 --> 00:34:57.500
 you know

00:34:57.500 --> 00:34:57.920
 you start

00:34:57.920 --> 00:34:58.340
 getting into

00:34:58.340 --> 00:34:58.800
 these creative

00:34:58.800 --> 00:34:59.280
 options

00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:00.540
 and then

00:35:00.540 --> 00:35:01.260
 you have

00:35:01.260 --> 00:35:02.280
 you know

00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:02.780
 the digital

00:35:02.780 --> 00:35:03.240
 space

00:35:03.240 --> 00:35:03.700
 becomes a

00:35:03.700 --> 00:35:04.240
 conversation

00:35:04.240 --> 00:35:05.260
 yeah

00:35:05.260 --> 00:35:06.000
 like I'm

00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:06.600
 I started

00:35:06.600 --> 00:35:07.060
 something

00:35:07.060 --> 00:35:08.560
 and

00:35:08.560 --> 00:35:09.820
 it's using

00:35:09.820 --> 00:35:10.920
 these digital

00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:11.440
 platforms

00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:11.980
 and I kind

00:35:11.980 --> 00:35:12.360
 of want to

00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:13.320
 keep that

00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:13.540
 going

00:35:13.540 --> 00:35:13.980
 I want to

00:35:13.980 --> 00:35:14.620
 I want to

00:35:14.620 --> 00:35:14.960
 see this

00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:15.600
 expand more

00:35:15.600 --> 00:35:15.880
 and more

00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:17.300
 and so

00:35:17.300 --> 00:35:17.760
 that's

00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:18.200
 that's

00:35:18.200 --> 00:35:18.400
 getting

00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:18.780
 interesting

00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:19.220
 and then

00:35:19.220 --> 00:35:19.560
 having

00:35:19.560 --> 00:35:20.440
 you know

00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:21.340
 the full

00:35:21.340 --> 00:35:22.000
 like right

00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:22.400
 now there's

00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:22.940
 a hybrid

00:35:22.940 --> 00:35:24.000
 that's pretty

00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:24.860
 well accepted

00:35:24.860 --> 00:35:26.020
 within the

00:35:26.020 --> 00:35:26.600
 church at large

00:35:26.600 --> 00:35:26.840
 you know

00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:27.240
 we're gonna

00:35:27.240 --> 00:35:27.760
 we're gonna

00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:28.100
 have

00:35:28.100 --> 00:35:28.960
 digital

00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:29.440
 as part

00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:29.840
 of our

00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:30.520
 ministry

00:35:30.520 --> 00:35:31.080
 operation

00:35:31.080 --> 00:35:31.520
 now

00:35:31.520 --> 00:35:32.840
 but

00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:33.920
 there are

00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:34.260
 churches

00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:34.620
 who are

00:35:34.620 --> 00:35:34.840
 leaning

00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:35.400
 towards

00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:35.900
 like we're

00:35:35.900 --> 00:35:36.180
 actually

00:35:36.180 --> 00:35:37.000
 going all

00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:37.780
 like

00:35:37.780 --> 00:35:39.260
 is it

00:35:39.260 --> 00:35:40.040
 this is a

00:35:40.040 --> 00:35:41.760
 entire

00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:42.660
 virtual church

00:35:42.660 --> 00:35:44.680
 which is

00:35:44.680 --> 00:35:45.300
 you know

00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:45.640
 whole

00:35:45.640 --> 00:35:46.180
 kind of

00:35:46.180 --> 00:35:46.800
 another level

00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:47.820
 beyond the

00:35:47.820 --> 00:35:48.060
 hybrid

00:35:48.060 --> 00:35:49.880
 so

00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:50.540
 which is

00:35:50.540 --> 00:35:51.000
 kind of

00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:51.400
 your space

00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:51.800
 so we're

00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:52.220
 leaning into

00:35:52.220 --> 00:35:52.740
 you for

00:35:52.740 --> 00:35:53.020
 some

00:35:53.020 --> 00:35:53.360
 yeah

00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:53.580
 yeah

00:35:53.580 --> 00:35:54.380
 that's a

00:35:54.380 --> 00:35:54.680
 whole

00:35:54.680 --> 00:35:55.200
 that's a

00:35:55.200 --> 00:35:55.560
 whole other

00:35:55.560 --> 00:35:56.160
 conversation

00:35:56.160 --> 00:35:56.560
 but in

00:35:56.560 --> 00:35:56.720
 this

00:35:56.720 --> 00:35:57.460
 ecclesiology

00:35:57.460 --> 00:35:57.920
 really

00:35:57.920 --> 00:35:59.460
 sets the

00:35:59.460 --> 00:35:59.860
 standard

00:35:59.860 --> 00:36:00.540
 for that

00:36:00.540 --> 00:36:00.940
 you know

00:36:00.940 --> 00:36:01.680
 so often

00:36:01.680 --> 00:36:03.240
 previous

00:36:03.240 --> 00:36:04.100
 ecclesiologies

00:36:04.100 --> 00:36:05.040
 I believe

00:36:05.040 --> 00:36:05.360
 at least

00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:05.680
 this is

00:36:05.680 --> 00:36:06.140
 this is my

00:36:06.140 --> 00:36:06.540
 opinion

00:36:06.540 --> 00:36:07.260
 previous

00:36:07.260 --> 00:36:08.080
 ecclesiologies

00:36:08.080 --> 00:36:09.080
 really didn't

00:36:09.080 --> 00:36:10.140
 lean so

00:36:10.140 --> 00:36:10.600
 much into

00:36:10.600 --> 00:36:11.080
 the scripture

00:36:11.080 --> 00:36:11.600
 as much

00:36:11.600 --> 00:36:12.060
 as it was

00:36:12.060 --> 00:36:12.500
 people's

00:36:12.500 --> 00:36:12.900
 opinions

00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:13.720
 to create

00:36:13.720 --> 00:36:14.900
 that weekend

00:36:14.900 --> 00:36:15.420
 experience

00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:15.920
 I don't

00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:16.380
 think that

00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:16.760
 it were

00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:17.500
 a physical

00:36:17.500 --> 00:36:18.040
 experience

00:36:18.040 --> 00:36:18.340
 in a

00:36:18.340 --> 00:36:18.860
 building

00:36:18.860 --> 00:36:19.680
 on a

00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:19.840
 Sunday

00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:20.180
 morning

00:36:20.180 --> 00:36:20.600
 I don't

00:36:20.600 --> 00:36:20.860
 know if

00:36:20.860 --> 00:36:21.020
 there's

00:36:21.020 --> 00:36:21.320
 anything

00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:21.780
 malicious

00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:22.520
 in this

00:36:22.520 --> 00:36:22.920
 it's just

00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:24.000
 years

00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:24.820
 and decades

00:36:24.820 --> 00:36:25.480
 and centuries

00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:26.540
 of a

00:36:26.540 --> 00:36:26.940
 particular

00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:27.340
 method

00:36:27.340 --> 00:36:27.740
 and that

00:36:27.740 --> 00:36:28.240
 just gets

00:36:28.240 --> 00:36:28.820
 ingrained

00:36:28.820 --> 00:36:29.280
 into who

00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:29.800
 we are

00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:30.980
 but really

00:36:30.980 --> 00:36:31.500
 if you

00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:32.000
 look back

00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:32.460
 at that

00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:33.580
 Acts 2

00:36:33.580 --> 00:36:35.200
 a lot of

00:36:35.200 --> 00:36:35.900
 if not all

00:36:35.900 --> 00:36:36.440
 of what we're

00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:36.800
 reading

00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:38.180
 can be done

00:36:38.180 --> 00:36:39.140
 in digital

00:36:39.140 --> 00:36:39.660
 space

00:36:39.660 --> 00:36:40.240
 it just

00:36:40.240 --> 00:36:40.780
 looks

00:36:40.780 --> 00:36:41.500
 different

00:36:41.500 --> 00:36:42.060
 and instead

00:36:42.060 --> 00:36:43.360
 of taking

00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:44.360
 your biasness

00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:44.880
 towards a

00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:45.660
 particular method

00:36:45.660 --> 00:36:46.280
 and saying

00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:47.100
 that it

00:36:47.100 --> 00:36:47.540
 has to be

00:36:47.540 --> 00:36:47.960
 that way

00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:48.380
 well I mean

00:36:48.380 --> 00:36:49.200
 just look

00:36:49.200 --> 00:36:49.580
 globally

00:36:49.580 --> 00:36:50.240
 I tell the

00:36:50.240 --> 00:36:50.880
 story Korea

00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:51.380
 has some

00:36:51.380 --> 00:36:52.000
 of the biggest

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:52.800
 giga churches

00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:53.300
 on the

00:36:53.300 --> 00:36:53.700
 planet

00:36:53.700 --> 00:36:54.580
 India

00:36:54.580 --> 00:36:55.620
 has like

00:36:55.620 --> 00:36:56.120
 one to

00:36:56.120 --> 00:36:56.960
 three people

00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:57.720
 huddled up

00:36:57.720 --> 00:36:58.220
 under a

00:36:58.220 --> 00:36:58.920
 palm tree

00:36:58.920 --> 00:36:59.720
 so you've

00:36:59.720 --> 00:37:00.040
 got the

00:37:00.040 --> 00:37:00.760
 huge extremes

00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:01.260
 of church

00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:01.720
 and both

00:37:01.720 --> 00:37:02.020
 of them

00:37:02.020 --> 00:37:02.640
 are very

00:37:02.640 --> 00:37:03.880
 popular

00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:04.280
 both of

00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:04.480
 them are

00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:05.360
 very effective

00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:06.360
 within their

00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:06.920
 regions as

00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:07.440
 much as

00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:07.680
 you know

00:37:07.680 --> 00:37:08.020
 government

00:37:08.020 --> 00:37:08.420
 and things

00:37:08.420 --> 00:37:09.180
 will allow

00:37:09.180 --> 00:37:09.940
 but at the

00:37:09.940 --> 00:37:10.220
 end of the

00:37:10.220 --> 00:37:10.640
 day they say

00:37:10.640 --> 00:37:11.060
 that one

00:37:11.060 --> 00:37:11.880
 is more

00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:12.640
 godly than

00:37:12.640 --> 00:37:13.120
 the other

00:37:13.120 --> 00:37:14.280
 I don't

00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:14.760
 know short

00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:15.300
 of like

00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:15.940
 God that

00:37:15.940 --> 00:37:16.260
 we have

00:37:16.260 --> 00:37:16.740
 the authority

00:37:16.740 --> 00:37:17.200
 to kind

00:37:17.200 --> 00:37:17.980
 of lean

00:37:17.980 --> 00:37:18.580
 into that

00:37:18.580 --> 00:37:19.420
 so that's

00:37:19.420 --> 00:37:19.680
 what's

00:37:19.680 --> 00:37:20.240
 surprising

00:37:20.240 --> 00:37:20.980
 for me

00:37:20.980 --> 00:37:21.920
 I say

00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:22.400
 surprising

00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:22.720
 I mean

00:37:22.720 --> 00:37:22.980
 that in

00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:23.240
 a good

00:37:23.240 --> 00:37:23.560
 way

00:37:23.560 --> 00:37:24.220
 you know

00:37:24.220 --> 00:37:24.900
 a denomination

00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:25.460
 like the

00:37:25.460 --> 00:37:25.940
 Wesleyans

00:37:25.940 --> 00:37:26.460
 three years

00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:26.820
 ago

00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:27.720
 starting this

00:37:27.720 --> 00:37:28.300
 conversation

00:37:28.300 --> 00:37:28.680
 of hey

00:37:28.680 --> 00:37:28.960
 we need

00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:29.420
 to adjust

00:37:29.420 --> 00:37:30.160
 our ecclesiology

00:37:30.160 --> 00:37:30.780
 to allow

00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:31.880
 for other

00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:32.420
 methods

00:37:32.420 --> 00:37:33.480
 like honestly

00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:34.360
 when I first

00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:34.680
 heard this

00:37:34.680 --> 00:37:35.140
 conversation

00:37:35.140 --> 00:37:35.540
 I thought

00:37:35.540 --> 00:37:35.860
 it was in

00:37:35.860 --> 00:37:36.240
 response

00:37:36.240 --> 00:37:36.700
 to COVID

00:37:36.700 --> 00:37:38.180
 because COVID

00:37:38.180 --> 00:37:39.220
 is changing

00:37:39.220 --> 00:37:39.600
 so much

00:37:39.600 --> 00:37:40.160
 of the models

00:37:40.160 --> 00:37:40.560
 we've got

00:37:40.560 --> 00:37:40.880
 to loosen

00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:41.240
 this up

00:37:41.240 --> 00:37:41.560
 but you

00:37:41.560 --> 00:37:42.420
 were tracking

00:37:42.420 --> 00:37:42.840
 this way

00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:43.740
 in 2017

00:37:43.740 --> 00:37:44.980
 that tells

00:37:44.980 --> 00:37:45.260
 me how

00:37:45.260 --> 00:37:45.820
 forward-thinking

00:37:45.820 --> 00:37:46.260
 you guys

00:37:46.260 --> 00:37:46.720
 were as a

00:37:46.720 --> 00:37:47.220
 denomination

00:37:47.220 --> 00:37:47.920
 and so like

00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:48.320
 that's

00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:48.920
 that's

00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:49.420
 incredible

00:37:49.420 --> 00:37:51.340
 so well

00:37:51.340 --> 00:37:51.660
 done

00:37:51.660 --> 00:37:52.140
 well done

00:37:52.140 --> 00:37:52.700
 Wesleyans

00:37:52.700 --> 00:37:53.300
 like I'm

00:37:53.300 --> 00:37:53.720
 giving a

00:37:53.720 --> 00:37:54.340
 virtual clap

00:37:54.340 --> 00:37:54.640
 because I

00:37:54.640 --> 00:37:54.940
 don't want

00:37:54.940 --> 00:37:55.240
 to clap

00:37:55.240 --> 00:37:55.680
 loud on my

00:37:55.680 --> 00:37:56.180
 mic but

00:37:56.180 --> 00:37:56.640
 you know

00:37:56.640 --> 00:37:57.020
 thumbs up

00:37:57.020 --> 00:37:57.240
 for that

00:37:57.240 --> 00:37:57.760
 a lot

00:37:57.760 --> 00:37:58.060
 of ways

00:37:58.060 --> 00:37:58.380
 to go

00:37:58.380 --> 00:37:58.660
 but

00:37:58.660 --> 00:37:59.320
 make a

00:37:59.320 --> 00:37:59.560
 project

00:37:59.560 --> 00:38:00.560
 at least

00:38:00.560 --> 00:38:00.820
 you're on

00:38:00.820 --> 00:38:01.200
 the journey

00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:01.760
 and you're

00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:02.400
 taking the

00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:02.960
 right steps

00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:03.400
 hey there

00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:03.660
 there was

00:38:03.660 --> 00:38:04.040
 one other

00:38:04.040 --> 00:38:04.440
 thing

00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:05.620
 that I

00:38:05.620 --> 00:38:06.040
 noticed

00:38:06.040 --> 00:38:06.400
 here

00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:07.960
 in your

00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.460
 in your

00:38:10.460 --> 00:38:10.760
 in your

00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:11.220
 document

00:38:11.220 --> 00:38:11.980
 the what is

00:38:11.980 --> 00:38:12.260
 church

00:38:12.260 --> 00:38:12.820
 and we'll

00:38:12.820 --> 00:38:13.460
 we'll make

00:38:13.460 --> 00:38:13.960
 it available

00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:14.800
 in the show

00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:15.000
 notes

00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:15.420
 but you

00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:15.880
 you said

00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:16.300
 something

00:38:16.300 --> 00:38:16.860
 in the

00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:17.300
 document

00:38:17.300 --> 00:38:18.040
 you know

00:38:18.040 --> 00:38:18.620
 for the

00:38:18.620 --> 00:38:19.220
 discipleship

00:38:19.220 --> 00:38:19.520
 mission

00:38:19.520 --> 00:38:19.980
 community

00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:20.460
 you were

00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:20.800
 actually

00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:21.580
 kind of

00:38:21.580 --> 00:38:22.280
 paralleling

00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:22.560
 it to

00:38:22.560 --> 00:38:22.760
 the

00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:23.240
 called

00:38:23.240 --> 00:38:23.580
 out

00:38:23.580 --> 00:38:23.900
 ones

00:38:23.900 --> 00:38:24.100
 were

00:38:24.100 --> 00:38:24.540
 called

00:38:24.540 --> 00:38:25.140
 would be

00:38:25.140 --> 00:38:25.880
 discipleship

00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:26.460
 out was

00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:26.940
 mission

00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:27.400
 and then

00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:27.800
 community

00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:28.180
 was

00:38:28.180 --> 00:38:28.440
 was

00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:28.920
 ones

00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:30.480
 which to

00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:31.020
 me put

00:38:31.020 --> 00:38:32.360
 discipleship

00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:33.380
 first

00:38:33.380 --> 00:38:34.480
 and on

00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:34.580
 on the

00:38:34.580 --> 00:38:34.900
 document

00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:35.240
 you had

00:38:35.240 --> 00:38:35.980
 discipleship

00:38:35.980 --> 00:38:36.320
 like that

00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:36.600
 was your

00:38:36.600 --> 00:38:36.860
 number

00:38:36.860 --> 00:38:37.440
 one

00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:38.480
 and then

00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:38.880
 mission

00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:39.300
 was number

00:38:39.300 --> 00:38:39.600
 two

00:38:39.600 --> 00:38:39.900
 and then

00:38:39.900 --> 00:38:40.200
 community

00:38:40.200 --> 00:38:40.600
 was number

00:38:40.600 --> 00:38:40.960
 three

00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:42.140
 which is

00:38:42.140 --> 00:38:42.560
 actually

00:38:42.560 --> 00:38:43.320
 backwards

00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:44.100
 from probably

00:38:44.100 --> 00:38:44.640
 the average

00:38:44.640 --> 00:38:44.980
 church

00:38:44.980 --> 00:38:45.220
 because the

00:38:45.220 --> 00:38:45.460
 average

00:38:45.460 --> 00:38:45.760
 church

00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:46.120
 is probably

00:38:46.120 --> 00:38:46.540
 put in

00:38:46.540 --> 00:38:47.080
 community

00:38:47.080 --> 00:38:47.880
 number

00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:48.480
 one

00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:49.180
 if they

00:38:49.180 --> 00:38:49.500
 can get

00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:49.920
 community

00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:50.320
 people

00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:50.580
 on

00:38:50.580 --> 00:38:50.900
 mission

00:38:50.900 --> 00:38:51.200
 that's

00:38:51.200 --> 00:38:51.620
 a win

00:38:51.620 --> 00:38:52.220
 and if

00:38:52.220 --> 00:38:52.440
 you can

00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:52.620
 really

00:38:52.620 --> 00:38:52.960
 get them

00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:53.340
 down to

00:38:53.340 --> 00:38:53.500
 that

00:38:53.500 --> 00:38:54.100
 discipleship

00:38:54.100 --> 00:38:54.480
 disciple

00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:54.840
 making

00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:55.540
 well it's

00:38:55.540 --> 00:38:55.760
 a very

00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:56.060
 few

00:38:56.060 --> 00:38:56.600
 percentage

00:38:56.600 --> 00:38:57.060
 of

00:38:57.060 --> 00:38:57.360
 people

00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:57.800
 very small

00:38:57.800 --> 00:38:58.200
 percentage

00:38:58.200 --> 00:38:58.580
 of people

00:38:58.580 --> 00:38:58.740
 that

00:38:58.740 --> 00:38:58.980
 actually

00:38:58.980 --> 00:38:59.140
 get

00:38:59.140 --> 00:38:59.260
 to

00:38:59.260 --> 00:38:59.400
 that

00:38:59.400 --> 00:38:59.720
 point

00:38:59.720 --> 00:39:00.520
 I

00:39:00.520 --> 00:39:00.760
 was

00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:00.920
 just

00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:01.260
 curious

00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:02.220
 was there

00:39:02.220 --> 00:39:03.080
 intentionality

00:39:03.080 --> 00:39:03.640
 in that

00:39:03.640 --> 00:39:03.980
 order

00:39:03.980 --> 00:39:04.480
 was it

00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:04.720
 just

00:39:04.720 --> 00:39:05.140
 oh that's

00:39:05.140 --> 00:39:05.460
 just how

00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:05.800
 it came

00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:06.080
 out

00:39:06.080 --> 00:39:06.580
 because

00:39:06.580 --> 00:39:06.720
 it

00:39:06.720 --> 00:39:06.960
 called

00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:07.180
 out

00:39:07.180 --> 00:39:07.560
 ones

00:39:07.560 --> 00:39:07.860
 were you

00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:08.300
 leaning

00:39:08.300 --> 00:39:08.580
 into

00:39:08.580 --> 00:39:08.760
 the

00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:09.060
 scripture

00:39:09.060 --> 00:39:09.720
 to

00:39:09.720 --> 00:39:09.900
 kind

00:39:09.900 --> 00:39:10.000
 of

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:10.160
 get

00:39:10.160 --> 00:39:10.520
 there

00:39:10.520 --> 00:39:10.840
 like

00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:11.120
 what

00:39:11.120 --> 00:39:11.820
 when it

00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:12.020
 came

00:39:12.020 --> 00:39:12.140
 to

00:39:12.140 --> 00:39:12.300
 that

00:39:12.300 --> 00:39:12.580
 order

00:39:12.580 --> 00:39:12.820
 was

00:39:12.820 --> 00:39:13.180
 that

00:39:13.180 --> 00:39:13.620
 an

00:39:13.620 --> 00:39:14.060
 intentional

00:39:14.060 --> 00:39:14.560
 focus

00:39:14.560 --> 00:39:15.180
 yeah

00:39:15.180 --> 00:39:15.520
 I'd say

00:39:15.520 --> 00:39:15.780
 it was

00:39:15.780 --> 00:39:16.260
 intentional

00:39:16.260 --> 00:39:17.520
 it

00:39:17.520 --> 00:39:17.800
 just

00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:18.720
 I

00:39:18.720 --> 00:39:19.320
 think

00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:19.640
 there was

00:39:19.640 --> 00:39:20.240
 a moment

00:39:20.240 --> 00:39:20.600
 where we

00:39:20.600 --> 00:39:21.080
 just saw

00:39:21.080 --> 00:39:21.280
 it

00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:21.740
 and it's

00:39:21.740 --> 00:39:21.980
 like

00:39:21.980 --> 00:39:22.420
 oh that

00:39:22.420 --> 00:39:22.800
 actually

00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:23.860
 that makes

00:39:23.860 --> 00:39:24.060
 a lot

00:39:28.580 --> 00:39:28.780
 we

00:39:28.780 --> 00:39:29.540
 thought

00:39:29.540 --> 00:39:29.720
 it

00:39:29.720 --> 00:39:29.980
 was

00:39:29.980 --> 00:39:30.300
 just

00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:30.620
 an

00:39:30.620 --> 00:39:31.180
 observation

00:39:31.180 --> 00:39:31.980
 that

00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:32.360
 we

00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:32.940
 noticed

00:39:32.940 --> 00:39:33.780
 and

00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:34.000
 you

00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:34.180
 think

00:39:34.180 --> 00:39:34.400
 about

00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:34.680
 it

00:39:34.680 --> 00:39:35.000
 you

00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:35.180
 know

00:39:35.180 --> 00:39:35.560
 like

00:39:35.560 --> 00:39:36.040
 isn't

00:39:36.040 --> 00:39:36.580
 disciple

00:39:36.580 --> 00:39:36.920
 making

00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:37.560
 the

00:39:37.560 --> 00:39:38.080
 place

00:39:38.080 --> 00:39:38.340
 to

00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:38.700
 begin

00:39:38.700 --> 00:39:39.080
 I

00:39:39.080 --> 00:39:39.300
 mean

00:39:39.300 --> 00:39:40.260
 that's

00:39:40.260 --> 00:39:40.380
 what

00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:40.680
 Jesus

00:39:40.680 --> 00:39:41.600
 called

00:39:41.600 --> 00:39:41.780
 his

00:39:41.780 --> 00:39:42.200
 disciples

00:39:42.200 --> 00:39:42.520
 to

00:39:42.520 --> 00:39:42.820
 do

00:39:42.820 --> 00:39:43.640
 and

00:39:43.640 --> 00:39:43.760
 I

00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:44.020
 love

00:39:44.020 --> 00:39:44.180
 the

00:39:44.180 --> 00:39:44.420
 fact

00:39:44.420 --> 00:39:44.700
 that

00:39:44.700 --> 00:39:45.260
 he

00:39:45.260 --> 00:39:45.680
 told

00:39:45.680 --> 00:39:45.960
 his

00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:46.540
 disciples

00:39:46.540 --> 00:39:47.220
 like

00:39:47.220 --> 00:39:47.380
 when

00:39:47.380 --> 00:39:47.500
 he

00:39:47.500 --> 00:39:47.760
 first

00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:48.200
 called

00:39:48.200 --> 00:39:48.460
 them

00:39:48.460 --> 00:39:48.940
 think

00:39:48.940 --> 00:39:49.100
 about

00:39:49.100 --> 00:39:49.440
 this

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:50.000
 when

00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:50.280
 Jesus

00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:50.760
 walked

00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:50.940
 up

00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:51.160
 to

00:39:51.160 --> 00:39:51.720
 Peter

00:39:51.720 --> 00:39:54.000
 and

00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:54.600
 Andrew

00:39:54.600 --> 00:39:54.900
 on

00:39:54.900 --> 00:39:55.020
 the

00:39:55.020 --> 00:39:55.280
 boat

00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:55.580
 right

00:39:55.580 --> 00:39:55.780
 they're

00:39:55.780 --> 00:39:55.920
 out

00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:56.060
 there

00:39:56.060 --> 00:39:56.360
 fishing

00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:57.420
 and

00:39:57.420 --> 00:39:57.820
 he

00:39:57.820 --> 00:39:58.000
 gives

00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:58.120
 them

00:39:58.120 --> 00:39:58.280
 that

00:39:58.280 --> 00:39:58.720
 line

00:39:58.720 --> 00:39:59.160
 hey

00:39:59.160 --> 00:39:59.420
 come

00:39:59.420 --> 00:39:59.680
 follow

00:39:59.680 --> 00:40:00.040
 me

00:40:00.040 --> 00:40:00.660
 and

00:40:00.660 --> 00:40:00.800
 I'm

00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:01.000
 gonna

00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:01.760
 make

00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:01.980
 you

00:40:01.980 --> 00:40:02.260
 into

00:40:02.260 --> 00:40:02.800
 fishers

00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:02.940
 of

00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:03.080
 all

00:40:03.080 --> 00:40:03.360
 people

00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:03.620
 right

00:40:03.620 --> 00:40:04.420
 and

00:40:04.420 --> 00:40:04.700
 so

00:40:04.700 --> 00:40:05.220
 there's

00:40:05.220 --> 00:40:05.440
 that

00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:05.980
 line

00:40:05.980 --> 00:40:06.420
 Jesus

00:40:06.420 --> 00:40:06.740
 told

00:40:06.740 --> 00:40:06.840
 them

00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:06.960
 the

00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:07.120
 end

00:40:07.120 --> 00:40:07.460
 result

00:40:07.460 --> 00:40:07.780
 from

00:40:07.780 --> 00:40:07.920
 the

00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:08.240
 beginning

00:40:08.240 --> 00:40:08.940
 and

00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:09.240
 sometimes

00:40:09.240 --> 00:40:09.420
 I

00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:09.540
 think

00:40:09.540 --> 00:40:09.680
 we

00:40:09.680 --> 00:40:09.860
 need

00:40:09.860 --> 00:40:10.000
 to

00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:10.160
 do

00:40:10.160 --> 00:40:10.300
 that

00:40:10.300 --> 00:40:10.440
 with

00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:10.560
 our

00:40:10.560 --> 00:40:10.860
 people

00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:11.000
 is

00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:11.140
 just

00:40:11.140 --> 00:40:11.360
 like

00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:11.620
 hey

00:40:11.620 --> 00:40:11.840
 the

00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:12.080
 end

00:40:12.080 --> 00:40:12.440
 result

00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:12.680
 here

00:40:12.680 --> 00:40:12.820
 is

00:40:12.820 --> 00:40:13.080
 actually

00:40:13.080 --> 00:40:13.280
 you're

00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:13.920
 going to

00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:14.080
 be

00:40:14.080 --> 00:40:14.220
 a

00:40:14.220 --> 00:40:14.400
 fisher

00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:14.600
 of

00:40:14.600 --> 00:40:14.980
 people

00:40:14.980 --> 00:40:16.160
 and

00:40:16.160 --> 00:40:16.740
 yes

00:40:16.740 --> 00:40:17.540
 the

00:40:17.540 --> 00:40:18.540
 inner

00:40:18.540 --> 00:40:19.420
 spiritual

00:40:19.420 --> 00:40:19.760
 work

00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:19.920
 is

00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:20.080
 going to

00:40:20.080 --> 00:40:20.200
 be

00:40:20.200 --> 00:40:20.680
 important

00:40:20.680 --> 00:40:21.240
 holiness

00:40:21.240 --> 00:40:21.800
 is

00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:21.900
 going

00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:21.940
 to

00:40:21.940 --> 00:40:22.040
 be

00:40:22.040 --> 00:40:22.440
 important

00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:23.220
 but

00:40:23.220 --> 00:40:23.360
 the

00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:23.500
 end

00:40:23.500 --> 00:40:23.780
 result

00:40:23.780 --> 00:40:24.000
 is

00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:24.280
 still

00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:24.500
 going

00:40:24.500 --> 00:40:24.580
 to

00:40:24.580 --> 00:40:24.960
 be

00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:25.540
 you

00:40:25.540 --> 00:40:25.760
 know

00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:26.420
 actually

00:40:26.420 --> 00:40:27.900
 reaching

00:40:27.900 --> 00:40:28.180
 new

00:40:28.180 --> 00:40:28.560
 people

00:40:28.560 --> 00:40:29.100
 so

00:40:29.100 --> 00:40:29.700
 I

00:40:29.700 --> 00:40:29.880
 think

00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:30.140
 that

00:40:30.140 --> 00:40:30.760
 ends

00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:30.960
 up

00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:31.300
 being

00:40:31.300 --> 00:40:31.840
 the

00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:33.280
 conversation

00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:33.960
 starter

00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:35.380
 we wanted

00:40:35.380 --> 00:40:35.560
 to

00:40:35.560 --> 00:40:36.020
 have

00:40:36.020 --> 00:40:37.180
 and

00:40:37.180 --> 00:40:37.640
 it's

00:40:37.640 --> 00:40:37.860
 really

00:40:37.860 --> 00:40:38.140
 helped

00:40:38.140 --> 00:40:38.380
 us

00:40:38.380 --> 00:40:38.620
 even

00:40:38.620 --> 00:40:38.920
 just

00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:39.480
 in

00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:39.600
 the

00:40:39.600 --> 00:40:40.020
 document

00:40:40.020 --> 00:40:40.240
 that

00:40:40.240 --> 00:40:40.380
 we

00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:40.760
 use

00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:40.920
 to

00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:41.400
 frame

00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:41.780
 this

00:40:41.780 --> 00:40:42.460
 what's

00:40:42.460 --> 00:40:42.580
 a

00:40:42.580 --> 00:40:42.940
 church

00:40:42.940 --> 00:40:44.220
 that

00:40:44.220 --> 00:40:45.140
 ends

00:40:45.140 --> 00:40:45.500
 up

00:40:45.500 --> 00:40:46.140
 giving

00:40:46.140 --> 00:40:46.460
 people

00:40:46.460 --> 00:40:46.660
 some

00:40:46.660 --> 00:40:46.860
 good

00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:47.380
 categories

00:40:47.380 --> 00:40:47.580
 to

00:40:47.580 --> 00:40:47.800
 think

00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:48.160
 through

00:40:48.160 --> 00:40:48.700
 and

00:40:48.700 --> 00:40:48.820
 to

00:40:48.820 --> 00:40:49.300
 prioritize

00:40:49.300 --> 00:40:50.200
 what's

00:40:50.200 --> 00:40:50.440
 most

00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:50.740
 important

00:40:50.740 --> 00:40:51.060
 what did

00:40:51.060 --> 00:40:51.340
 Jesus

00:40:51.340 --> 00:40:51.740
 think

00:40:51.740 --> 00:40:51.900
 was

00:40:51.900 --> 00:40:52.140
 most

00:40:52.140 --> 00:40:52.540
 important

00:40:52.540 --> 00:40:53.380
 when

00:40:53.380 --> 00:40:53.580
 he

00:40:53.580 --> 00:40:55.300
 was

00:40:55.300 --> 00:40:55.580
 teaching

00:40:55.580 --> 00:40:55.800
 his

00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:56.240
 disciples

00:40:56.240 --> 00:40:56.800
 and so

00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:57.300
 that's

00:40:57.300 --> 00:40:57.400
 where

00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:57.540
 we

00:40:57.540 --> 00:40:57.740
 wanted

00:40:57.740 --> 00:40:57.880
 to

00:40:57.880 --> 00:40:58.160
 begin

00:40:58.160 --> 00:40:59.220
 awesome

00:40:59.220 --> 00:40:59.800
 well

00:40:59.800 --> 00:40:59.980
 hey

00:40:59.980 --> 00:41:00.640
 thank you

00:41:00.640 --> 00:41:01.040
 thank you

00:41:01.040 --> 00:41:01.300
 for the

00:41:01.300 --> 00:41:01.540
 time

00:41:01.540 --> 00:41:01.660
 here

00:41:01.660 --> 00:41:01.800
 this

00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:01.880
 has

00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:02.020
 been

00:41:02.020 --> 00:41:02.160
 a

00:41:02.160 --> 00:41:02.620
 great

00:41:02.620 --> 00:41:03.500
 podcast

00:41:03.500 --> 00:41:04.900
 just

00:41:04.900 --> 00:41:05.200
 as

00:41:05.200 --> 00:41:05.480
 we're

00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:05.860
 landing

00:41:05.860 --> 00:41:06.060
 the

00:41:06.060 --> 00:41:06.260
 plane

00:41:06.260 --> 00:41:06.560
 wrapping

00:41:06.560 --> 00:41:06.780
 up

00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:06.980
 here

00:41:06.980 --> 00:41:07.220
 any

00:41:07.220 --> 00:41:07.700
 closing

00:41:07.700 --> 00:41:07.980
 thoughts

00:41:07.980 --> 00:41:08.240
 on

00:41:08.240 --> 00:41:08.400
 your

00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:08.640
 side

00:41:08.640 --> 00:41:08.800
 Ed

00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:09.580
 well

00:41:09.580 --> 00:41:10.340
 I'm

00:41:10.340 --> 00:41:10.720
 super

00:41:10.720 --> 00:41:11.320
 encouraged

00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:11.980
 even

00:41:11.980 --> 00:41:12.520
 by

00:41:12.520 --> 00:41:12.840
 the

00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:13.280
 path

00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:13.480
 that

00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:14.220
 you're

00:41:14.220 --> 00:41:14.440
 kind

00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:14.960
 of

00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:15.460
 blazing

00:41:15.460 --> 00:41:15.920
 for

00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:16.340
 the

00:41:16.340 --> 00:41:16.560
 church

00:41:16.560 --> 00:41:16.880
 world

00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:17.900
 I'm

00:41:17.900 --> 00:41:18.140
 super

00:41:18.140 --> 00:41:18.680
 encouraged

00:41:18.680 --> 00:41:19.300
 by

00:41:19.300 --> 00:41:19.520
 the

00:41:19.520 --> 00:41:19.860
 digital

00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:20.400
 spaces

00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:21.180
 and

00:41:21.180 --> 00:41:21.420
 what

00:41:21.420 --> 00:41:21.660
 God

00:41:21.660 --> 00:41:21.820
 is

00:41:21.820 --> 00:41:21.940
 going

00:41:21.940 --> 00:41:22.040
 to

00:41:22.040 --> 00:41:22.420
 do

00:41:22.420 --> 00:41:22.900
 in

00:41:22.900 --> 00:41:23.040
 and

00:41:23.040 --> 00:41:23.220
 through

00:41:23.220 --> 00:41:23.520
 this

00:41:23.520 --> 00:41:23.800
 I

00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:24.080
 think

00:41:24.080 --> 00:41:24.620
 you

00:41:24.620 --> 00:41:24.840
 know

00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:25.260
 there's

00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:25.460
 been

00:41:25.460 --> 00:41:25.620
 a

00:41:25.620 --> 00:41:25.860
 lot

00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:26.100
 of

00:41:26.100 --> 00:41:26.640
 challenges

00:41:26.640 --> 00:41:27.000
 through

00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:27.160
 the

00:41:27.160 --> 00:41:27.480
 COVID

00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:28.380
 season

00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:28.720
 that

00:41:28.720 --> 00:41:28.940
 we're

00:41:28.940 --> 00:41:29.220
 in

00:41:29.220 --> 00:41:29.680
 but

00:41:29.680 --> 00:41:30.400
 I

00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:30.600
 see

00:41:30.600 --> 00:41:30.940
 God

00:41:30.940 --> 00:41:31.280
 doing

00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:31.580
 some

00:41:31.580 --> 00:41:31.840
 new

00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:32.340
 things

00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:33.100
 and

00:41:33.100 --> 00:41:33.700
 he's

00:41:33.700 --> 00:41:34.400
 mobilizing

00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:34.620
 his

00:41:34.620 --> 00:41:34.900
 church

00:41:34.900 --> 00:41:35.180
 in a

00:41:35.180 --> 00:41:35.340
 new

00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:35.680
 way

00:41:35.680 --> 00:41:36.280
 that

00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:36.400
 I

00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:36.560
 think

00:41:36.560 --> 00:41:36.700
 is

00:41:36.700 --> 00:41:37.400
 preparing

00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:37.760
 it

00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:38.100
 and

00:41:38.100 --> 00:41:38.600
 deepening

00:41:38.600 --> 00:41:38.860
 it

00:41:38.860 --> 00:41:40.540
 so

00:41:40.540 --> 00:41:40.720
 that

00:41:40.720 --> 00:41:40.880
 the

00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:41.180
 future

00:41:41.180 --> 00:41:41.340
 of

00:41:41.340 --> 00:41:41.460
 the

00:41:41.460 --> 00:41:41.760
 church

00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:42.040
 is

00:41:42.040 --> 00:41:42.180
 going

00:41:42.180 --> 00:41:42.220
 to

00:41:42.220 --> 00:41:42.340
 be

00:41:42.340 --> 00:41:42.540
 even

00:41:42.540 --> 00:41:43.060
 stronger

00:41:43.060 --> 00:41:44.100
 and

00:41:44.100 --> 00:41:44.740
 it's

00:41:44.740 --> 00:41:44.840
 going

00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:44.900
 to

00:41:44.900 --> 00:41:45.220
 be

00:41:45.220 --> 00:41:46.140
 more

00:41:46.140 --> 00:41:46.560
 my

00:41:46.560 --> 00:41:46.860
 hope

00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:47.100
 is

00:41:47.100 --> 00:41:47.420
 we

00:41:47.420 --> 00:41:47.660
 see

00:41:47.660 --> 00:41:47.920
 more

00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:48.420
 like

00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:48.620
 the

00:41:48.620 --> 00:41:49.160
 assumption

00:41:49.160 --> 00:41:49.620
 is

00:41:49.620 --> 00:41:50.020
 that

00:41:50.020 --> 00:41:50.920
 churches

00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:51.880
 will

00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:52.720
 multiply

00:41:52.720 --> 00:41:53.120
 like

00:41:53.120 --> 00:41:53.460
 this

00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:53.600
 is

00:41:53.600 --> 00:41:53.820
 what

00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:54.040
 they

00:41:54.040 --> 00:41:54.360
 do

00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:54.720
 they

00:41:54.720 --> 00:41:56.120
 continue

00:41:56.120 --> 00:41:56.440
 and

00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:57.020
 just

00:41:57.020 --> 00:41:57.840
 reaching

00:41:57.840 --> 00:41:58.100
 more

00:41:58.100 --> 00:41:58.200
 and

00:41:58.200 --> 00:41:58.300
 more

00:41:58.300 --> 00:41:58.700
 people

00:41:58.700 --> 00:41:58.960
 and

00:41:58.960 --> 00:41:59.640
 sending

00:41:59.640 --> 00:41:59.840
 them

00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:00.020
 out

00:42:00.020 --> 00:42:00.160
 on

00:42:00.160 --> 00:42:00.400
 their

00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:00.760
 journey

00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:01.560
 helping

00:42:01.560 --> 00:42:02.020
 them

00:42:02.020 --> 00:42:03.540
 reach

00:42:03.540 --> 00:42:04.020
 people

00:42:04.020 --> 00:42:04.700
 who

00:42:04.700 --> 00:42:05.360
 need to

00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:05.480
 hear

00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:05.600
 the

00:42:05.600 --> 00:42:05.760
 good

00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:05.980
 news

00:42:05.980 --> 00:42:06.100
 of

00:42:06.100 --> 00:42:06.360
 Jesus

00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:06.780
 and

00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:07.060
 so

00:42:07.060 --> 00:42:07.440
 I

00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:07.560
 love

00:42:07.560 --> 00:42:07.700
 what

00:42:07.700 --> 00:42:07.820
 you're

00:42:07.820 --> 00:42:07.940
 up

00:42:07.940 --> 00:42:08.140
 to

00:42:08.140 --> 00:42:08.680
 keep

00:42:08.680 --> 00:42:08.900
 at

00:42:08.900 --> 00:42:09.480
 it

00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:10.040
 and

00:42:10.040 --> 00:42:10.660
 super

00:42:10.660 --> 00:42:11.100
 excited

00:42:11.100 --> 00:42:11.660
 just

00:42:11.660 --> 00:42:11.820
 to

00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:12.180
 even

00:42:12.180 --> 00:42:12.420
 learn

00:42:12.420 --> 00:42:12.640
 more

00:42:12.640 --> 00:42:12.960
 from

00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:13.180
 you

00:42:13.180 --> 00:42:13.600
 so

00:42:13.600 --> 00:42:14.760
 thanks

00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:14.980
 for

00:42:14.980 --> 00:42:16.080
 allowing

00:42:16.080 --> 00:42:16.280
 me

00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:16.660
 to be

00:42:16.660 --> 00:42:17.100
 on

00:42:17.100 --> 00:42:17.280
 your

00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:17.800
 podcast

00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:18.060
 today

00:42:18.060 --> 00:42:18.300
 though

00:42:18.300 --> 00:42:18.780
 oh

00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:19.000
 yeah

00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:19.520
 awesome

00:42:19.520 --> 00:42:19.940
 loved

00:42:19.940 --> 00:42:20.360
 every

00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:20.720
 second

00:42:20.720 --> 00:42:20.920
 of

00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:21.080
 it

00:42:21.080 --> 00:42:22.000
 I

00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:22.160
 mean

00:42:22.160 --> 00:42:22.560
 it's

00:42:22.560 --> 00:42:22.780
 funny

00:42:22.780 --> 00:42:23.020
 I've

00:42:23.020 --> 00:42:23.300
 been

00:42:23.300 --> 00:42:24.200
 talking

00:42:24.200 --> 00:42:24.580
 about

00:42:24.580 --> 00:42:25.400
 ecclesiology

00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:25.800
 and

00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:26.600
 reshaping

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 and

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 we'll

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 have

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 good

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 day