WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.240 Hey, you're listening to the Church Digital Podcast. 00:00:02.540 --> 00:00:06.600 My name is Jeff Reed, and it is a pleasure to have you guys join us today. 00:00:06.760 --> 00:00:08.580 We are on episode 11. 00:00:08.700 --> 00:00:14.440 We just came off a couple great episodes with Eric Geiger talking a lot about how to communicate 00:00:14.440 --> 00:00:17.660 to your leadership about church online and talking about OmniChurch. 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:21.100 So if you didn't catch those, check those out in episodes 9 and 10. 00:00:21.360 --> 00:00:26.020 But we're going to shift gears a little bit today here with some new podcasts for the 00:00:26.020 --> 00:00:27.340 next couple episodes. 00:00:27.560 --> 00:00:32.560 I've got a guest host with me, going to call him a co-host for a couple weeks, Stephen 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:37.140 Kaminsky, and he and I go way, way, way, way back. 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:41.020 So hey, Steve, man, why don't you just take a moment here and tell everybody a little bit 00:00:41.020 --> 00:00:41.620 about yourself? 00:00:42.340 --> 00:00:49.380 Yeah, so I grew up in the church, got engaged in church tech for a long time, so much so 00:00:49.380 --> 00:00:53.180 that led me into the life of being a roadie for a few years. 00:00:53.180 --> 00:00:59.080 I got to tour around the country with a bunch of different acts, do big shows, have fun with 00:00:59.080 --> 00:00:59.260 it. 00:00:59.460 --> 00:01:03.660 But ultimately, we did all that to learn how to come back and do what we're talking about 00:01:03.660 --> 00:01:08.600 today, which is help the church reach people with the gospel. 00:01:08.880 --> 00:01:16.540 So after my roadie wandering days, I came back and been part of a couple large churches. 00:01:16.860 --> 00:01:22.840 And as Jeff said, now I'm part of the portable church team, helping churches go multi-site 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:28.000 and really thrive and reach their cities and sometimes even states. 00:01:28.360 --> 00:01:29.900 It was a pretty cool gig. 00:01:30.600 --> 00:01:33.280 Yeah, so Steve and I have worked together. 00:01:33.380 --> 00:01:38.780 We worked together at Austin Ridge Bible Church in Austin, Texas, which is a phenomenal church 00:01:38.780 --> 00:01:40.820 and they're doing some really neat things out there. 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:47.780 But way back in the day, I think I have this vague memory of actually babysitting Steve Kaminsky 00:01:47.780 --> 00:01:50.860 and his sister once in their lifetime. 00:01:51.300 --> 00:01:54.160 And I'm not that much older, which made it weird. 00:01:54.160 --> 00:01:59.260 And I don't have a lot of like babysitting clientele history, but for some reason that 00:01:59.260 --> 00:01:59.880 did happen. 00:01:59.880 --> 00:02:06.320 And I've never really understood how or why, but together, Steve and I are ingrained that 00:02:06.320 --> 00:02:06.580 way. 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.800 In a minute, we want to get into and actually want to start talking about specific product 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:12.280 that does a lot of this broadcasting. 00:02:12.460 --> 00:02:15.920 But before we get there, I want to unpack this one idea. 00:02:16.480 --> 00:02:17.780 What are some practices? 00:02:17.780 --> 00:02:24.360 What are some good traits that we, small church, considering broadcasting, from a technical 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:29.880 perspective, what should we be doing really before we even start to look at introducing 00:02:29.880 --> 00:02:36.160 the camera and the broadcast kind of piece, the encoders, all of that in? 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:38.100 What do we need to nail? 00:02:38.880 --> 00:02:41.300 Yeah, I think the first thing you want to nail is audio. 00:02:41.820 --> 00:02:46.960 Video, a static shot, all those things are a little bit more easily forgiven. 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:51.100 But man, bad audio is not good. 00:02:51.200 --> 00:02:55.740 Think about all the Super Bowls that you've watched where the halftime show audio has just 00:02:55.740 --> 00:03:00.600 been all music or all voices and you just kind of sat there and just, man, this is a bummer. 00:03:02.880 --> 00:03:07.900 It's not like the guy's got one job, but anyway, that aside, I'm not saying, I'm just saying 00:03:07.900 --> 00:03:08.960 it's great. 00:03:09.380 --> 00:03:12.740 And I'm not criticizing because that job, I wouldn't want that job. 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:13.360 It's brutal. 00:03:14.180 --> 00:03:17.400 But on the flip side of that, we want to make sure that we can get out. 00:03:17.460 --> 00:03:21.500 So best practice, record what you think you're going to send to the camera. 00:03:21.920 --> 00:03:27.640 And after church, pop that USB stick into your radio, load that MP3 file on your phone, 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:31.380 listen to it on the way home, and analyze that thing. 00:03:31.440 --> 00:03:37.940 And try and figure out the best way to get that so you're comfortable listening to it wherever 00:03:37.940 --> 00:03:38.500 you're going. 00:03:38.900 --> 00:03:39.920 It's not going to be perfect. 00:03:40.060 --> 00:03:41.220 It's a live environment. 00:03:41.480 --> 00:03:45.660 So don't strive for this CD quality perfection. 00:03:45.780 --> 00:03:46.760 Sorry, I said CD. 00:03:47.340 --> 00:03:49.900 MP3, produce quality perfection. 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:52.140 Don't worry about that right now. 00:03:52.560 --> 00:04:00.020 Worry about getting it to where you can listen to it on the way home as the person who's overseeing 00:04:00.020 --> 00:04:00.580 that department. 00:04:00.760 --> 00:04:03.360 So make sure you can get a good audio quality from there. 00:04:03.640 --> 00:04:06.220 And then start thinking about camera placement. 00:04:06.420 --> 00:04:07.440 Where are we going to get this? 00:04:07.540 --> 00:04:09.440 What do we want our environment to feel like? 00:04:09.480 --> 00:04:12.200 But if that audio is wrong, man, that's going to be rough. 00:04:13.480 --> 00:04:13.680 Yeah. 00:04:14.940 --> 00:04:15.760 So good. 00:04:15.760 --> 00:04:24.540 I can tell you just there's forgiveness in a lot of things, but a bad mix is going to 00:04:24.540 --> 00:04:27.300 turn off in a big way. 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:34.540 And so you definitely want to be venue first, but listen to that mix because there's a way 00:04:34.540 --> 00:04:41.160 to kind of balance it out where it wins for the room and it also wins online. 00:04:41.320 --> 00:04:44.540 And so, hey, Steve, man, that's some great feedback there. 00:04:44.540 --> 00:04:48.680 Another idea would be like the positioning of the camera, right? 00:04:48.860 --> 00:04:52.140 Like, you know, what does that kind of, what does that look like? 00:04:52.940 --> 00:04:58.500 So you, ideally you want to have your camera lens at center of your camera lens at or just 00:04:58.500 --> 00:04:59.840 below eye level. 00:05:00.440 --> 00:05:04.400 Sometimes you'll see where a camera is set up in a balcony and, you know, during the 00:05:04.400 --> 00:05:09.880 message, you're looking down on the top of the head of the pastor and it's just, it's 00:05:09.880 --> 00:05:10.580 not flattering. 00:05:11.380 --> 00:05:16.120 So as much as you can is get that camera centered on your stage, especially if you're talking 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:18.120 to one camera and get it set up. 00:05:18.200 --> 00:05:20.020 So you're right kind of in that eye level. 00:05:20.020 --> 00:05:24.480 And it's going to give you the best perspective of if you're in the audience, sitting in the 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:27.580 seats, looking up, it's what's happening on stage. 00:05:27.840 --> 00:05:36.380 And one thing on that is make sure that the audience that you see on that lockdown shot, 00:05:36.580 --> 00:05:39.220 that there are actually people in the audience. 00:05:40.080 --> 00:05:46.620 Nothing kills a live broadcast worse than seeing like 25 to 40 empty chairs. 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:53.180 Consciously, that's going to speak a lot to your first time attender, the person that doesn't 00:05:53.180 --> 00:05:57.320 know a lot about your church when they're watching the broadcast, if they're seeing nothing but 00:05:57.320 --> 00:05:59.280 empty chairs in front of them. 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.340 And so, you know, maybe it's tightening up on the camera. 00:06:02.860 --> 00:06:07.020 Maybe it's asking guest services to be a little more intentional or the ushers to be a little 00:06:07.020 --> 00:06:12.780 more intentional, seating people up towards the front, but be conscious of kind of that 00:06:12.780 --> 00:06:20.840 environment of what things look like on the video stream within that video frame itself. 00:06:21.340 --> 00:06:22.040 That's so good. 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:29.220 Third option, third thing we had talked about was lighting as even as possible. 00:06:29.940 --> 00:06:34.760 And I know that that's hard in some contexts, but like what should a church be looking at 00:06:34.760 --> 00:06:34.940 here? 00:06:35.740 --> 00:06:39.580 Yeah, so what you want to avoid is what I like to call hotspots. 00:06:39.580 --> 00:06:44.520 So your camera has the ability to set up essentially one light level. 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:49.480 And we can get into technical terms like auto iris and all that kind of jazz. 00:06:49.900 --> 00:06:54.460 What's most important is when you set that camera up and you point at the stage, you want to 00:06:54.460 --> 00:06:59.620 avoid having one person be brighter than everybody else. 00:07:00.640 --> 00:07:04.440 Because what you're going to do is you're going to see this one person that's going to stand 00:07:04.460 --> 00:07:07.640 out and everybody else is going to look like they're in the dark. 00:07:08.020 --> 00:07:09.840 So now if that's what you're going for, great. 00:07:10.020 --> 00:07:16.120 But if you want to kind of be able to see everybody evenly, try and get that lighting as even as 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:18.460 possible across all the folks on stage. 00:07:18.620 --> 00:07:24.540 And then try to make sure it's not so bright that everything else is in shadow. 00:07:24.740 --> 00:07:32.160 So if all your folks are really bright, but then everything else is pitch black, again, you're 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:34.260 making it look like they're in a black box. 00:07:34.520 --> 00:07:38.680 So you want to play with that life and try and get an even look and feel. 00:07:40.080 --> 00:07:40.980 Good stuff. 00:07:41.060 --> 00:07:41.640 Good stuff. 00:07:42.420 --> 00:07:47.720 By the way, and just throwing this out there, like we're talking a lot about broadcasting 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:49.200 and things like this. 00:07:49.860 --> 00:07:55.540 A lot of these products that we're talking about added to the, and we're going to get 00:07:55.540 --> 00:07:59.940 into the little IT side here, which is my kryptonite, transparently, I confess. 00:08:01.080 --> 00:08:07.320 But like, should we be doing this a separate internet kind of bandwidth for this? 00:08:07.400 --> 00:08:09.860 Is this over normal network? 00:08:09.980 --> 00:08:12.260 Am I having to do fiber for this? 00:08:12.380 --> 00:08:16.980 Like from an IT perspective, for the average option that the type of thing that we're going 00:08:16.980 --> 00:08:20.660 to talk about today, how should we be considering this from an IT perspective? 00:08:21.380 --> 00:08:25.600 Man, you know, a lot of these types of streams are fairly low bandwidth. 00:08:25.900 --> 00:08:33.020 So unless your internet service is like five megs up, five megs down, which I'd be a little 00:08:33.020 --> 00:08:37.700 bit concerned about, you are probably going to have more than enough bandwidth than you 00:08:37.700 --> 00:08:39.500 know what to do with in order to stream. 00:08:39.940 --> 00:08:44.940 Now, I do suggest as much as possible trying to get a hard line to whatever is streaming 00:08:44.940 --> 00:08:45.240 out. 00:08:45.800 --> 00:08:47.140 It's just best practice. 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:52.120 Sometimes it's not possible, but in best practice language, that's going to be great 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:52.580 to do. 00:08:53.340 --> 00:08:58.320 But aside from that, if you've got like your standard 15 up, 15 down, you should be good 00:08:58.320 --> 00:08:58.740 to go. 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:00.800 Awesome. 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.960 Well, I tell you what, and the other thing that obviously we need to care about, and we're 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:10.700 going to be talking a lot about production in this aspect, but have that discipleship plan 00:09:10.700 --> 00:09:15.320 in place because as you connect with people, as you're connecting with the front door person, 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:19.340 the person that's coming in to check out your service from the first time, you're inviting 00:09:19.340 --> 00:09:20.040 them to the campus. 00:09:20.040 --> 00:09:26.080 As you're connecting with that side door person, the person who is already engaged with your 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:31.320 physical church, just traveling and what have you there, like they're already in that. 00:09:31.400 --> 00:09:35.960 But there are people who will be watching this stream who are not connected to your church 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:40.280 or any church otherwise, and they're looking to your church for spiritual guidance. 00:09:40.280 --> 00:09:46.880 So church pastor, church leader out there listening, be working on the discipleship strategy part 00:09:46.880 --> 00:09:54.340 of this too, as we're preparing our church and trying to do church holistically in context, 00:09:54.340 --> 00:09:59.100 not just the service, but the ministry aspect in context of online. 00:09:59.520 --> 00:10:03.180 So start asking those questions, start wrestling with those things. 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:05.720 Don't just prepare your service flow. 00:10:05.800 --> 00:10:10.900 Don't just prepare your technical, but prepare your ministries for what it looks like to do 00:10:10.900 --> 00:10:12.060 ministry online. 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:18.200 What I wanted to do here is let's drill into maybe, like I said, we wrote down six different 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:19.460 products out there. 00:10:20.180 --> 00:10:26.040 And so just maybe an overview of what they are, we'll detail down at the end, some pros and 00:10:26.040 --> 00:10:26.900 cons to consider. 00:10:27.280 --> 00:10:30.280 And we're going to list, if you're like driving and you're like, dude, this is a bunch of 00:10:30.280 --> 00:10:30.680 information. 00:10:30.760 --> 00:10:31.820 What am I supposed to do with this? 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:33.240 It's going to be in the show notes. 00:10:33.780 --> 00:10:37.140 And so you can check it out in the show notes or go to the church.digital. 00:10:37.560 --> 00:10:40.060 And we've got it written on there as a blog. 00:10:40.680 --> 00:10:45.480 But definitely check out some of this information and the links that we'll have in place. 00:10:45.660 --> 00:10:50.360 Because in the end, with this episode, we want to help the churches out there that are 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.900 considering doing a broadcast or maybe just taking those first steps in the broadcasting 00:10:54.900 --> 00:10:55.440 services. 00:10:55.740 --> 00:10:57.740 We want to help you guys take those first steps. 00:10:58.940 --> 00:11:02.200 So I don't know if I'm going to go through any order here, Steve. 00:11:02.980 --> 00:11:03.840 Here's what we're going to do. 00:11:03.900 --> 00:11:04.760 We're just going to fake it. 00:11:05.640 --> 00:11:08.980 The first one that we had talked about was Mevo. 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:12.320 And so there's a Mevo camera that's out there. 00:11:12.400 --> 00:11:15.280 By the way, all of these, and I didn't say this before we get into Mevo. 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:18.360 All of these are entry level. 00:11:18.780 --> 00:11:22.180 And so some of them require an additional camera. 00:11:22.280 --> 00:11:23.200 Some of them don't. 00:11:23.620 --> 00:11:29.980 But they're all probably in that sub $2,000, $3,000 range with the cameras. 00:11:30.380 --> 00:11:33.040 And even some of them are much lower than that. 00:11:34.100 --> 00:11:40.980 But they're all positioned in a way to get you a product at an entry level that you can 00:11:40.980 --> 00:11:43.820 be proud of at an entry level. 00:11:43.820 --> 00:11:45.120 So, all right. 00:11:45.220 --> 00:11:49.540 So for the first one we want to talk about, Steve, let's talk about the Mevo. 00:11:50.260 --> 00:11:51.700 What do you know about the Mevo? 00:11:52.180 --> 00:11:56.140 You know, we actually use the Mevo a lot at Austin Ridge. 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:00.580 I think it is one of the coolest app-enabled products out there. 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:08.660 It's essentially a 4K camera that you can set on a stand and you hook it up to your iPhone. 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.620 And then this iPhone allows, or the iPhone or your local internet connection allows you 00:12:13.620 --> 00:12:17.460 to stream it live to Facebook, YouTube, Periscope, Twitter. 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.700 They have a Vimeo live stream as part of it. 00:12:20.780 --> 00:12:23.560 So, it is enabled to do a ton of stuff. 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.760 But what's really cool about it is it's a 4K camera. 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:33.120 So, you can actually punch in and set it up so you can have, you know, essentially fake 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:34.620 multi-camera shots. 00:12:34.760 --> 00:12:37.880 It's a beautiful part of shooting 4K because you're streaming 720. 00:12:38.260 --> 00:12:40.760 Well, now you have a huge palette to be able to use. 00:12:41.500 --> 00:12:45.860 Plus, you can see comments and likes on the interface on your phone. 00:12:46.940 --> 00:12:51.200 It is, and the great part is it's under $1,000 for even for the pro package. 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:58.120 And you can do a plus, you can capture straight to the Mevo if you're not capturing to one 00:12:58.120 --> 00:12:59.020 of your other services. 00:13:00.380 --> 00:13:01.980 I too, I love the Mevo. 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:07.480 I bought one or we used one a lot at Christ Fellowship when I was there. 00:13:07.760 --> 00:13:12.700 And so, like, we would use it to record or broadcast some of the smaller venue stuff. 00:13:12.880 --> 00:13:16.100 Like, they had a, you know, a 200-person all-staff. 00:13:16.280 --> 00:13:19.200 And so, we would use it to record and broadcast that. 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:23.540 You know, set it up, like you said, a 4K so it's a wide shot of the stage. 00:13:23.580 --> 00:13:28.900 And if I wanted to, you know, drill in on a guitar solo, you know, press that shot and 00:13:28.900 --> 00:13:30.920 it cuts real tight to the guitar solo. 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:36.380 Or if I wanted, like, to have it track the lead pastor when he speaks. 00:13:36.380 --> 00:13:39.040 He's on roller skates, walking left and right. 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.760 Not literal roller skates here, figurative roller skates. 00:13:42.260 --> 00:13:43.820 You know, going back and forth. 00:13:43.940 --> 00:13:46.400 But it's able to track with him as he's walking. 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:52.400 Like, the Mevo, if you're looking for that wide shot and you want the ability for somebody 00:13:52.400 --> 00:13:59.420 to kind of track with it, with it tight, it's one of my favorite products that are out there. 00:14:00.020 --> 00:14:01.720 So, definitely consider that. 00:14:01.900 --> 00:14:03.260 There's a second one. 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.440 Number two that we're talking about here is Sling Studio. 00:14:07.680 --> 00:14:10.580 So, Steve, what do you know about Sling Studio? 00:14:11.380 --> 00:14:15.580 So, this is one of the ones that I've only been able to play with just a little bit. 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:18.020 But we demoed it. 00:14:18.100 --> 00:14:23.860 And it's a great way to be able to stream video back to a hub. 00:14:24.100 --> 00:14:25.480 So, you've got a hub. 00:14:25.740 --> 00:14:27.880 You've got a couple what they call camera links. 00:14:28.400 --> 00:14:29.920 You can utilize an iPhone. 00:14:30.180 --> 00:14:35.740 You can utilize a camera with an HDMI cable to all send video back to your hub. 00:14:35.740 --> 00:14:39.160 And then you either have a computer or an iPad hooked up to that hub. 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:41.600 And you can mix all those signals together. 00:14:42.180 --> 00:14:48.700 I've seen events at student ministries where they've had four people, five people with iPhones 00:14:48.700 --> 00:14:51.660 all around the room getting shots. 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.540 And then they're mixed and streamed online. 00:14:54.740 --> 00:14:59.260 It's actually, it was one of those things I wasn't going to share I was going to like. 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:03.440 But once I saw it work, I'm like, man, this is cool. 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:05.140 Now, I'm a huge fan of hardwire. 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:10.280 So, I love that you can hardwire one in and then have a couple other cameras strung about 00:15:10.280 --> 00:15:10.660 the room. 00:15:10.940 --> 00:15:12.580 At least you always have that hardwire. 00:15:13.560 --> 00:15:14.920 But it, man, it's the same thing. 00:15:14.980 --> 00:15:16.600 It streams to a bunch of different services. 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:18.440 It can fit in a backpack. 00:15:18.680 --> 00:15:21.780 In fact, actually, they sell a backpack for it so you can transport it. 00:15:22.520 --> 00:15:26.640 Say you're doing an outside baptism or remote service or anything. 00:15:26.800 --> 00:15:30.280 You have the ability to take this thing with you and do that. 00:15:30.280 --> 00:15:35.560 And again, this is one, like the Mevo, it essentially comes with a camera built in because you can 00:15:35.560 --> 00:15:42.160 use your iPhone, your Android, anything that pretty much all of us already have and probably 00:15:42.160 --> 00:15:44.440 10 other people in the congregation have too. 00:15:45.040 --> 00:15:50.280 The thing that it does, you know, the Sling Studio and the Grand Steam is probably one of 00:15:50.280 --> 00:15:51.760 the higher priced ones we have. 00:15:51.980 --> 00:15:54.360 But it's because you need to provide the cameras. 00:15:55.060 --> 00:16:01.000 However, you know, most of us have access to some sort of a DSLR or know someone within 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:02.460 our ministries that does. 00:16:03.140 --> 00:16:09.000 And so, what really is a high point, maybe price-wise, because you need to get all the 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:10.780 glass and the cameras for it. 00:16:10.980 --> 00:16:15.860 It's not really that if you can figure out how to, you know, utilize some of the resources 00:16:15.860 --> 00:16:19.380 that maybe people within your ministry have to make it work. 00:16:20.420 --> 00:16:23.820 But the one thing, and I don't know if you know specifics on this, Steve, this is the 00:16:23.820 --> 00:16:24.160 one thing. 00:16:24.620 --> 00:16:27.020 What, I mean, is it hitting Facebook Live? 00:16:27.100 --> 00:16:28.620 Is it hitting YouTube, Periscope? 00:16:28.700 --> 00:16:29.640 Does it hit all of those? 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:32.660 You know, that's a great question. 00:16:32.760 --> 00:16:36.060 I know it does YouTube Live and Facebook. 00:16:36.700 --> 00:16:43.980 I don't know that it's hitting Periscope yet with Twitter, but I'm pretty sure it's got 00:16:43.980 --> 00:16:46.700 a number of different solutions that it hits. 00:16:47.860 --> 00:16:49.540 Again, I don't know if it can do... 00:16:49.540 --> 00:16:51.540 So, yeah, it does YouTube, Facebook Live. 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.920 It also can stream to a website. 00:16:54.220 --> 00:17:01.120 So, it can do a RTMP push out to a website that you've got set up to receive that stream. 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:02.080 Awesome. 00:17:02.540 --> 00:17:03.460 Well, very cool. 00:17:03.460 --> 00:17:11.400 So, for more information on Sling Studio, check out the show notes that's listed there. 00:17:11.620 --> 00:17:17.740 So, great product, very flexible in different use cases, you know, with no cameras, probably 00:17:17.740 --> 00:17:21.100 a little more on the high price point with that. 00:17:22.560 --> 00:17:23.460 Switcher Studio. 00:17:24.340 --> 00:17:27.240 Now, and Steve, you've not... 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:28.740 I've had exposure with this one. 00:17:28.820 --> 00:17:31.180 So, let me tell you a little bit about this. 00:17:31.180 --> 00:17:33.320 I've actually got a friend of mine that's using this. 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.360 And so, I went over to his church to go check it out one Sunday. 00:17:38.180 --> 00:17:39.400 And it was funny. 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:42.820 He's like, in the back with the production department, he's like, hey, let me borrow your 00:17:42.820 --> 00:17:43.300 phone. 00:17:43.840 --> 00:17:44.860 Hey, let me borrow your phone. 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:45.820 Hey, let me borrow your phone. 00:17:46.340 --> 00:17:48.080 And I'm like, what are you doing? 00:17:48.460 --> 00:17:51.440 And he's like, oh, I'm going to use all these phones for cameras. 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:58.080 And then he walked around the worship center and positioned these phones, basically all 00:17:58.080 --> 00:18:03.660 became the live production cameras for the worship service. 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:06.260 So, he had like five or six different angles. 00:18:06.600 --> 00:18:11.640 And he's got some like, you know, high school kid in the back of the room with an iPad. 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:18.900 And the guy's just cutting live producing this stuff when it's really just a... 00:18:18.900 --> 00:18:21.860 All his phones, all his cameras are just phones. 00:18:22.620 --> 00:18:27.040 And so, like, he always made sure to get the better phones. 00:18:27.700 --> 00:18:28.480 Like, it was funny. 00:18:28.600 --> 00:18:30.920 I have an iPhone XR and he saw it after the service. 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:33.360 And he's like, oh, I should have put your phone over here. 00:18:33.380 --> 00:18:37.280 Because I guess he had like an iPhone six or five that he couldn't figure out. 00:18:37.280 --> 00:18:39.200 Because, you know, the XR has got a better lens. 00:18:39.620 --> 00:18:42.860 So, like, the quality is dictated by the camera that you got. 00:18:43.340 --> 00:18:46.720 With Switcher Studio, it's actually very similar to Sling Studio, 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:53.660 where you can interact and you're cutting to these, like, on an iPad device from the multiple angles. 00:18:53.900 --> 00:18:59.920 But instead of having to buy expensive DSLR cameras or borrowing some of those in place, 00:19:00.040 --> 00:19:05.860 you know, you're able to crowdsource that and to really pull some of that from just iOS devices, 00:19:05.860 --> 00:19:07.500 which is phenomenal. 00:19:07.940 --> 00:19:11.680 So, you know, like, Steve, like, any thoughts on that? 00:19:11.760 --> 00:19:12.840 What are some pros or cons? 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:17.700 You know, I think that there's a lot of pros on being able to do that. 00:19:17.820 --> 00:19:23.580 I think Switcher Studio, like Sling Studio, has that ability to utilize existing lenses 00:19:23.580 --> 00:19:25.600 that you already have that you can put around the room. 00:19:26.500 --> 00:19:31.380 I just think there's no loss to that. 00:19:31.560 --> 00:19:35.660 Imagine having a couple iPhones that are sitting on your stage in different places. 00:19:35.860 --> 00:19:37.780 That you can use to create that. 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:43.740 So, money there is all in, you know, the software and the studio itself. 00:19:44.620 --> 00:19:48.980 But because you're just using what everybody already has, which is iPhones. 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:51.000 So, it's a great investment. 00:19:51.600 --> 00:19:56.700 And I also think from what I'm seeing here, there's probably some other ways you can use Switcher Studio 00:19:56.700 --> 00:20:03.000 for video blogs and different things that you want to be able to use to connect with people throughout the week. 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.080 So, it's a great-looking solution. 00:20:06.040 --> 00:20:06.400 Definitely. 00:20:07.340 --> 00:20:11.880 And I think, like, I don't know that I've done the exact math on this. 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:14.480 And it depends upon how long you run it out. 00:20:14.520 --> 00:20:18.600 Because I think Switcher Studio is a monthly as opposed to, like, the Mevo, which is a one-time. 00:20:19.140 --> 00:20:23.400 But I'm pretty sure Switcher Studio may be the cheapest option. 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:27.540 At least it's the cheapest multi-camera option out there to get involved in. 00:20:27.540 --> 00:20:34.680 So, like, if you're looking for a real entry-level device, an entry-level system to start the broadcast, 00:20:35.300 --> 00:20:36.660 check out Switcher Studio. 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:40.200 And that's at switcherstudio.com. 00:20:40.420 --> 00:20:44.060 More information, of course, will be in the show notes as we're getting into there. 00:20:44.780 --> 00:20:48.580 But now we're going to move into maybe another suite here. 00:20:50.360 --> 00:20:54.880 So, let's talk about the Epiphan Webcaster X2. 00:20:54.980 --> 00:20:57.280 And I always hesitate whenever I say Epiphan. 00:20:57.960 --> 00:20:59.900 It's E-P-I-P-H-A-N. 00:21:00.060 --> 00:21:00.740 I don't have no idea. 00:21:00.900 --> 00:21:01.740 Is it Epiphan? 00:21:02.300 --> 00:21:02.740 Epiphan? 00:21:03.280 --> 00:21:04.840 I've always said Epiphan. 00:21:05.420 --> 00:21:05.860 Epiphan. 00:21:06.060 --> 00:21:06.320 Okay. 00:21:06.860 --> 00:21:13.440 I mean, like I said, I don't – it looks like Greek almost, or it's – anyway, whatever it is. 00:21:13.760 --> 00:21:14.960 The Webcaster X2. 00:21:15.180 --> 00:21:18.660 Google Webcaster X2, us listening audience out there, and you'll be great. 00:21:19.040 --> 00:21:21.140 Hey, Steve, tell me about this device. 00:21:21.800 --> 00:21:23.740 So, this is probably one of my favorites. 00:21:23.860 --> 00:21:26.680 I'm a big fan of the Epiphan products. 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:39.680 And the Webcaster X2 is set up to be able to stream to Facebook, Live, YouTube, Twitch, Switchboard Cloud, a few others in there as well. 00:21:40.340 --> 00:21:46.920 And it takes in HDMI, and it can also take in a separate audio signal. 00:21:47.460 --> 00:21:56.180 It's really cool is you can actually buy one of those Shure USB audio interfaces and plug it directly into the X2 and just bring in audio from your console. 00:21:56.740 --> 00:21:59.480 It'll also take audio in directly from your camera. 00:22:00.780 --> 00:22:09.120 And then the other thing that I really dig about it is if you've got a touchscreen monitor, you plug that monitor directly into this X2, and all the interface is right there. 00:22:09.120 --> 00:22:11.920 So, you don't need a mouse and keyboard and everything. 00:22:12.320 --> 00:22:13.200 It's small. 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:15.700 It literally can fit in the palm of your hands. 00:22:16.220 --> 00:22:17.400 It can do Wi-Fi. 00:22:17.560 --> 00:22:18.500 It can do Ethernet. 00:22:19.180 --> 00:22:26.660 And it's just really, really stable a solution that can broadcast where you need it to go. 00:22:27.940 --> 00:22:30.420 Like I said, I'm a big fan of this box. 00:22:30.520 --> 00:22:36.320 Now, I think one of the limitations of the X2 is that you have to pick a service to send to. 00:22:36.320 --> 00:22:40.400 So, it's not something that's going to send two, four, five, six services. 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:42.820 You're picking one of those services. 00:22:43.060 --> 00:22:45.520 So, there are some limitations to this box. 00:22:45.980 --> 00:22:49.900 And if you want to go past those limitations, you're looking at one of their larger products. 00:22:51.020 --> 00:22:55.220 And they've got the Epiphan Pearl Mini, the Pearl 2, all kinds of other stuff like this. 00:22:55.360 --> 00:23:00.300 But if you are saying, you know what, we're not paying for the YouTube service or the Twitch service. 00:23:00.300 --> 00:23:01.920 We just want to go to Facebook Live. 00:23:02.380 --> 00:23:04.060 And that is where we're going to put our focus. 00:23:04.580 --> 00:23:07.560 This is probably one of the better choices for y'all. 00:23:07.820 --> 00:23:08.420 Yeah. 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:15.880 And so, I've got one of my clients is using the Webcaster X2 and loves it. 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:17.720 I've got another that's looking into it. 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:23.940 The thing that with the two churches that are, for me, that are utilizing this device, 00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:29.480 they are putting the cameras at the far back of the worship center, 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:34.060 which is an extreme distance away from the stage. 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:39.820 And so, in order to really get that stage-wide shot they're looking for for the lockdown, 00:23:40.460 --> 00:23:45.880 they needed a camera with a stronger telephoto zoom lens. 00:23:46.100 --> 00:23:51.680 And so, it was kind of cheaper to buy the nicer camera 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:58.080 and then broadcast that out to the Epiphan, to the Webcaster X2, 00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:00.840 rather than, you know, that's the limitation of the Mevo. 00:24:00.940 --> 00:24:05.040 The Mevo that far away, like, it's, you would be drilling in, 00:24:05.120 --> 00:24:08.440 but the wide shot's so wide, there's really not enough pixels 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:10.900 to really get the detail that you're looking for. 00:24:11.340 --> 00:24:13.580 Whereas, because they're not doing a digital zoom, 00:24:13.700 --> 00:24:16.460 the cameras that they've got have more of an optical zoom, 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:21.860 it looks much better when you're zooming in to get that stage-wide feel. 00:24:22.260 --> 00:24:24.800 So, you are going to have to pay for the camera on this. 00:24:25.460 --> 00:24:29.180 And if you need something that's got more of a zoom on that, 00:24:29.740 --> 00:24:33.940 like, a single camera going through an Epiphan is great. 00:24:34.040 --> 00:24:37.760 It's actually, like, it's an Android box, isn't it? 00:24:37.760 --> 00:24:39.900 As I recall, like, the guts of it, Steve? 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:40.820 I think so. 00:24:41.660 --> 00:24:45.280 Yeah, and so, like, it totally operates like an Android OS. 00:24:45.500 --> 00:24:48.440 And when I was configuring it, like, I'm an iOS guy. 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:50.440 And I'm like, well, crap. 00:24:50.520 --> 00:24:53.580 Now I got to, you know, learn how to deal with Android and stuff. 00:24:53.900 --> 00:24:59.060 And to call on one thing, one of the, and I did see this recently, 00:24:59.060 --> 00:25:05.500 they did figure out how to do multiple platforms, multiple channel stream. 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:07.120 Oh, did they? 00:25:07.280 --> 00:25:07.440 Okay. 00:25:07.540 --> 00:25:11.120 Yeah, but you don't, like, you don't stream direct to the channel. 00:25:11.260 --> 00:25:13.980 You stream to a cloud service that they charge a monthly for. 00:25:14.580 --> 00:25:18.200 And then that cloud service breaks it up and sends to the multiple. 00:25:18.840 --> 00:25:25.700 So, it's kind of a, I'm not saying it's clunky, but it's not a polished part of it. 00:25:26.100 --> 00:25:30.080 But if you were, like, gun to my head, I got to do YouTube and Facebook at the same time, 00:25:30.540 --> 00:25:32.500 like, Epiphan can do it. 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:38.100 It just may not be as best as some of the other options that are out there. 00:25:38.540 --> 00:25:41.120 So, that is definitely an option. 00:25:41.660 --> 00:25:42.740 So, that was number four. 00:25:43.220 --> 00:25:48.300 Number five is the Blackmagic Web Presenter. 00:25:49.660 --> 00:25:51.220 Steve, what do you know about that one? 00:25:51.600 --> 00:25:53.480 So, this is one of the newer ones. 00:25:53.580 --> 00:25:54.960 It's come out in the past year. 00:25:55.940 --> 00:26:01.740 It can do Facebook Live or YouTube and a few others in there as well. 00:26:02.080 --> 00:26:07.260 I've not had a chance to play with this box, but it is, in a sense, very similar to the 00:26:07.260 --> 00:26:10.560 X2 in the sense that you can hook up a remote camera. 00:26:10.820 --> 00:26:15.900 You can set it in the back of the room so you have a little bit more flexibility, or you 00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:19.240 can hook it up to a switcher if you have a video switcher and use that to stream. 00:26:19.940 --> 00:26:24.480 So, it's got plenty of options there. 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:28.240 And then, it does have SDI in on the back, if I'm not mistaken. 00:26:29.500 --> 00:26:35.660 So, that way, if your camera has a HD-SDI source, you have that availability, too, as well. 00:26:36.520 --> 00:26:39.260 It works really well with the full suite of products. 00:26:40.360 --> 00:26:47.300 So, again, it's another really solid box for you all to be able to stream into. 00:26:47.820 --> 00:26:49.840 It can use a USB webcam as well. 00:26:50.040 --> 00:26:54.460 And then, you can bring audio in from an external source. 00:26:56.460 --> 00:27:02.140 Yeah, as we're going further down this list, and Blackmagic, I think, is one of the first 00:27:02.140 --> 00:27:06.540 that can work kind of as an entry-level device. 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:12.760 But as your system grows and evolves, and as you add that switcher, as you add the more 00:27:12.760 --> 00:27:19.900 of a physical switcher, not the iPad switcher, as you add more cameras, that Blackmagic web 00:27:19.900 --> 00:27:22.800 presenter can grow with you for a season. 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:29.960 I've known people who are using the web presenter with just a one camera shoot, but I know that 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:35.780 there are organizations that are using it on, like, as a switcher output that are feeding 00:27:35.780 --> 00:27:37.900 and are broadcasting for a multiple. 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:45.000 So, there's definitely room and stability to grow, you know, and transparently, and I'll 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:53.720 be this guy, sometimes Blackmagic, as a brand, gets a little sketchy in the context of lifetime 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:59.780 on gear, you know, sometimes what normally would last four or five years with Blackmagic 00:27:59.780 --> 00:28:00.420 lasts two. 00:28:00.980 --> 00:28:05.080 The thing I love about Blackmagic is it's often still cheap, so if you had to buy it 00:28:05.080 --> 00:28:10.280 every two years, it's still cheaper than buying something else that won't last four or five. 00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:16.920 So, you may just kind of, I tell people sometimes, it's like, you can buy that, just like, budget 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.620 for its replacement sooner than not. 00:28:19.620 --> 00:28:23.400 But, I will say, if you're building out a system, and you've got some of those Terranex 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:28.680 adapters, and you're putting them on a rack shelf, this one fits right in that rack shelf 00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:29.380 form factor. 00:28:29.540 --> 00:28:34.340 If you're doing portable in any way, shape, or form, it's a very nice portable option. 00:28:34.600 --> 00:28:42.300 So, you know, I'm one that can get down on Blackmagic sometimes, but this, I think, is a great 00:28:42.300 --> 00:28:43.840 option to be considered. 00:28:44.020 --> 00:28:46.540 And again, the price point on this product is going to be great. 00:28:46.540 --> 00:28:50.220 So, even if it does break, you are not, everything breaks. 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.020 You're not out tens of thousands of dollars. 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.620 So, I would take a serious look at this box. 00:28:58.800 --> 00:28:59.080 Awesome. 00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:05.980 Last up, number six for us is Telestream's Wirecast software. 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:10.460 And there's several different flavors of this, but Steve, why don't you unpack a little bit 00:29:10.460 --> 00:29:12.340 here about Wirecast? 00:29:12.820 --> 00:29:16.960 So, Wirecast is probably was the first thing I used to stream online. 00:29:17.280 --> 00:29:19.240 It is all software-based. 00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:24.500 So, you have a computer, you load the software up, you get your camera input into it, and you 00:29:24.500 --> 00:29:25.280 are good to go. 00:29:26.140 --> 00:29:31.020 Wirecast will stream just about anywhere and everywhere you want to go. 00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:33.880 So, you get an interface for your camera. 00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:40.640 So, Blackmagic makes a bunch, a bunch of companies make interfaces for them. 00:29:41.020 --> 00:29:46.060 You get that camera into your computer, and then you can stream that anywhere. 00:29:46.060 --> 00:29:51.560 So, sources such as Facebook, websites, Vimeo. 00:29:52.300 --> 00:29:56.280 If anything can stream to it, Wirecast can do it. 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:00.640 Wirecast has a bunch of different options, down from their most basic, which runs about 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:07.760 $250, which gives you one video input, all the way up to their Pro, which expands inputs. 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.820 You can use fancy, funky things like NDI video inputs. 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:16.640 They've kind of made this Wirecast to be a sky's the limit type of thing. 00:30:17.340 --> 00:30:23.900 So, it is, it is, it's a great product, but it's, again, you are, want, you need an external 00:30:23.900 --> 00:30:28.500 camera, or two, or three, depending on how you want to use the software. 00:30:29.020 --> 00:30:34.600 And then you're going to need a video and or audio interface to get that video into your 00:30:34.600 --> 00:30:35.020 computer. 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:42.900 So, it's a little bit more complex, but it's probably the most, robust is the wrong word, 00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:46.660 but multi-use piece that we've talked about yet today. 00:30:47.340 --> 00:30:47.440 Yeah. 00:30:48.080 --> 00:30:52.660 So, I love Wirecast in many different ways. 00:30:52.760 --> 00:31:01.440 One of my favorite features of Wirecast is the ability to add in content exclusive for online 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:02.560 separate than the broadcast. 00:31:02.860 --> 00:31:04.620 And so, let me unpack a couple things here. 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:10.640 Maybe you want to create announcements for the online audience, where you've got people 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:15.900 who are not connecting to you, let me say it this way. 00:31:16.040 --> 00:31:19.480 You've got people who are connecting to your church that aren't engaged with the physical 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:19.940 church. 00:31:19.940 --> 00:31:26.760 And so, maybe the campus pastor announcements from the broadcast campus aren't, don't fit 00:31:26.760 --> 00:31:27.200 the bill. 00:31:27.980 --> 00:31:31.820 Don't connect with somebody watching from another city or state. 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:38.600 Or, you know, maybe you want to do a pre-service countdown that's more front door friendly, because 00:31:38.600 --> 00:31:43.120 you've got a bunch of front door attenders who are checking out the service before they're 00:31:43.120 --> 00:31:44.340 walking on campus. 00:31:44.560 --> 00:31:49.460 Or maybe the teaching pastor's application, as he's ending the message and landing the 00:31:49.460 --> 00:31:53.420 plane, the application is more for in the room, and it doesn't connect with the online 00:31:53.420 --> 00:31:53.780 audience. 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:55.160 You want to do something with online. 00:31:55.160 --> 00:32:03.380 And so, what Wirecast does is it allows you to insert content, even video content, photo 00:32:03.380 --> 00:32:12.400 content, another camera content, layers of, you know, keys on top with text and other information 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:13.740 in real time. 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:18.120 And so, how, and that is a resource hog. 00:32:18.220 --> 00:32:22.500 And so, as if you're running it on a Mac and a PC, it's just, okay, we're going to build 00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:28.460 this machine up and up and up, but right of all of the ones that we listed here of the 00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:33.420 five, they're all kind of, we're just going to broadcast whatever is happening in the worship 00:32:33.420 --> 00:32:33.800 center. 00:32:34.060 --> 00:32:40.900 Now that we're talking about Wirecast, Wirecast is the first one that really says, okay, I 00:32:40.900 --> 00:32:45.880 can broadcast what's in here, but I also can broadcast some other things with that. 00:32:46.320 --> 00:32:53.960 I've actually, I've got one of my clients that uses the Wirecast to delay the service, the 00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:54.900 worship and the teaching. 00:32:55.040 --> 00:33:00.320 So, they'll do the teaching live, they'll do the worship live, but they slow everything 00:33:00.320 --> 00:33:00.700 down. 00:33:00.800 --> 00:33:05.720 They time slip it like two to three minutes and insert their own content, their own 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:13.280 announcements, their own pre-service countdown video, all of this in utilizing Wirecast. 00:33:13.280 --> 00:33:19.980 Now, they're, they, just for this one church, they were using, I mean, I forget what, they 00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:24.440 were using a high-end Mac for it, one of the trash cans, one of the Mac Pro, you know, 00:33:24.500 --> 00:33:26.000 trash can models that were out there. 00:33:26.660 --> 00:33:32.960 And they were using so much of it that it actually like over blew what the trash can was capable 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.840 of with like processing and just, GPU is a big thing. 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:43.840 I don't want to get into the technical aspects of it, but what they ended up doing, they bought 00:33:43.840 --> 00:33:51.060 into Wirecast gear where Wirecast actually sells hardware that's designed to do this. 00:33:51.260 --> 00:33:58.460 And so, if you're one of those churches out there that's like, hey, I would love to do 00:33:58.460 --> 00:33:59.420 custom content. 00:33:59.740 --> 00:34:00.960 I've got some of this stuff. 00:34:01.020 --> 00:34:04.680 I'm really interested in going down some of the stuff that I just talked about. 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:06.660 I love Wirecast software. 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:08.740 It's going to, and I love Macs. 00:34:09.160 --> 00:34:10.860 It's going to, it's going to eat up your Mac. 00:34:11.600 --> 00:34:14.300 Maybe consider looking at the Wirecast gear. 00:34:15.240 --> 00:34:18.640 And if you contact me directly, I can get you connected with the right people towards that. 00:34:18.720 --> 00:34:25.200 But like, there's plenty of options out there that can really make Wirecast gear be a powerful 00:34:25.200 --> 00:34:25.820 thing. 00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:30.680 So, have you, have you, so you used it, you said that was like one of the first things 00:34:30.680 --> 00:34:31.700 that you did, right, Steve? 00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:32.260 Yes. 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.900 So, we ran it on a Mac Pro Tower and then the coffee can as well. 00:34:37.100 --> 00:34:42.260 We were looking at transitioning to a, one of the gears, I think the gear 210. 00:34:43.420 --> 00:34:49.720 But right around that time, we were switching into some cloud-based solutions and some other 00:34:49.720 --> 00:34:50.000 stuff. 00:34:50.180 --> 00:34:55.400 So, we're, and as we talk about next week, you know, we, we, we've really recently landed 00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:58.020 with the Living as One folks for a variety of reasons. 00:34:58.480 --> 00:34:58.920 Yeah. 00:34:59.080 --> 00:35:02.720 But, you know, we could talk about that next week when we're, we're hopping on the call 00:35:02.720 --> 00:35:03.120 with them. 00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:12.520 But it's a, it's honestly, it, that Telestream Wirecast gear, you know, get, get with Jeff. 00:35:12.860 --> 00:35:16.080 That is, it's a really good solution. 00:35:16.080 --> 00:35:19.780 You can get up to four HDMI or four HD-SDI. 00:35:20.100 --> 00:35:26.460 I mean, it is, it's just one of those things that should leave you like amazed at what technology 00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:28.580 can do these days, especially for the price. 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:34.800 And so, that's, that's probably the closest more to like a mid-level, upper level. 00:35:35.520 --> 00:35:35.680 Yeah. 00:35:35.980 --> 00:35:41.360 You know, the order we went through kind of the, the Mevo, the Switcher Studio, the Sling 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:46.800 Studio, the Epiphon, the Black Magic, like that's, maybe that's like elementary to middle 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:51.580 school type of thing where we're, we're, we're growing more and more complicated as, as we're 00:35:51.580 --> 00:35:53.360 going, as we're growing down that list. 00:35:53.880 --> 00:36:00.240 Next episode, we're going to dive into maybe the deep end of the pool, maybe get more into 00:36:00.240 --> 00:36:04.640 high school, college, as we're going to bring in the Living as One guys. 00:36:04.640 --> 00:36:08.440 And, and it's a, and it's a phenomenal product that they've got out there. 00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:15.080 And with Living as One, also a lot of what we want to talk about next week is, is the advanced 00:36:15.080 --> 00:36:22.460 broadcast, like how to do professional video, how to get your audio to sound good with that. 00:36:22.460 --> 00:36:27.960 And so it's not maybe as much on the technical aspects of, of the encoding and the decoding, 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:33.400 but Hey, if you're a church out there, that's doing a broadcast and you're looking to take 00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:37.220 those next steps on, on how to elevate your game, what do you do? 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:38.120 How do you do that? 00:36:38.120 --> 00:36:45.320 And so Colin, Paul, and Steve's coming back for the next episode when we're really going 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:46.860 to start to unpack that. 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:48.220 And so that's going to be a great one. 00:36:48.580 --> 00:36:51.860 And we definitely are excited about that. 00:36:51.860 --> 00:36:58.140 So, Hey, Steve, thanks for joining this time and jumping on in this and man, we're looking 00:36:58.140 --> 00:36:59.800 forward to having you again next time. 00:37:00.340 --> 00:37:04.280 Hey, Steve, as before we wrap 20 seconds, anything to land the plane? 00:37:05.160 --> 00:37:07.980 No, don't, don't let things stop you from getting things out. 00:37:08.080 --> 00:37:09.680 We talk about the folks are already there. 00:37:09.740 --> 00:37:15.780 We talk about the front door and being able to invite someone in and don't ignore that front 00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:16.400 door option. 00:37:16.940 --> 00:37:19.160 People don't come to the church for answers anymore. 00:37:19.160 --> 00:37:25.140 They're looking to so many other things, but online can be a front door and it's an easy 00:37:25.140 --> 00:37:27.380 way to say, Hey, I know you don't want to come to church with me. 00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:28.340 Check us out online. 00:37:28.640 --> 00:37:33.740 So guys, I implore you don't let things be a barrier because these options that we've talked 00:37:33.740 --> 00:37:38.860 about today are really taking away any barrier that you might have putting your content online. 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:40.720 That's awesome. 00:37:41.660 --> 00:37:46.740 The lobby of your church does not exist in physical space only. 00:37:46.940 --> 00:37:52.400 The lobby of your church, the first impression, the parking lot of your church, it exists in 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:53.040 church online. 00:37:54.060 --> 00:37:55.680 And so get it out there. 00:37:55.740 --> 00:37:57.000 It exists in social media. 00:37:57.180 --> 00:38:01.820 Get these resources, get these out there, get your services out there so people can, can 00:38:01.820 --> 00:38:08.220 see it, can experience it, can get a feel for who you are, and then use your church online as to draw 00:38:08.220 --> 00:38:12.680 them in, to pull them in to your physical campuses through your discipleship process. 00:38:13.040 --> 00:38:17.160 So, hey, Steve, man, thanks for sharing, being part of this episode. 00:38:17.260 --> 00:38:19.440 If people want to find you online, where can they find you? 00:38:20.020 --> 00:38:24.720 You know, you can go to facebook.com backslash servant for life, all one word. 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:32.800 You can also head on over to the portablechurch.com website, and you can email me through there. 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:36.940 You can also hit me up at steve.kaminski at portablechurch.com. 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:37.800 Yeah. 00:38:37.940 --> 00:38:40.440 By the way, you didn't talk a lot about Portable Church. 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.080 Phenomenal company, phenomenal organization. 00:38:44.160 --> 00:38:49.560 Straight up, if a company, if a church I know is launching in a portable, 00:38:49.940 --> 00:38:52.420 landscape, well, I did it. 00:38:52.820 --> 00:38:56.120 One of my clients was, and the first person I texted was Stephen Kaminski. 00:38:56.420 --> 00:39:01.680 So, reach out to Steve in those contexts, and he'll definitely get you connected 00:39:01.680 --> 00:39:03.840 and going in the right direction. 00:39:04.020 --> 00:39:07.960 But for Steve, my name's Jeff, and it's been a great episode. 00:39:08.160 --> 00:39:10.260 Glad you've been here, and thanks for listening. 00:39:10.680 --> 00:39:10.880 Bye.