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 All right, welcome to the Church Digital Podcast.

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 Once again, it's powered by Stadia Church Planting.

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 We're talking digital-only expression of church,

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 by the way, and I love what I'm doing,

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 what I get to do with Stadia

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 in helping people plant digital-only

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 to start digital-only expressions of church,

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 to help them start churches literally without walls.

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 And so this is a phenomenal aspect of my life right now.

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 I love it, and I love this conversation

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 because I get to talk with digital-only planters,

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 people that are starting and that are running

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 arguably probably one of the most successful

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 digital-only churches in the Western Hemisphere.

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 So we're talking today with Jared and Angie Hughes.

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 So they, honestly, they were not even on my radar pre-COVID,

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 didn't know who they were,

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 like in the context of digital ministry.

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 And so when they pop up here with Hope City Church

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 in this COVID season quickly,

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 I kind of wondered, where'd you come from?

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 What's your story?

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 What's your background?

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 How did I not know who you were?

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 And it's not egotistical on my part.

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 I just really love talking with people

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 and love hearing the stories of digital church

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 and online ministry,

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 and they were not on my radar.

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 And I quickly discovered why in this conversation,

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 because they didn't start digital ministry.

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 They were novices,

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 even walking into the beginning of this COVID season.

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 So in this COVID season,

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 instead of trying to push back to the physical building,

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 they actually gave up.

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 They passed over a building

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 that a denomination was going to give them

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 because they saw more potential in discipleship

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 and disciple-making done in digital space.

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 That's right.

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 So they gave up a building

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 that somebody was going to give them

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 because they wanted to focus on digital ministry.

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 Beautiful, beautiful story.

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 And some of the successes that they've seen,

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 some of the opportunities they've had to even merge,

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 Angela Craig's Pursuit Church Live

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 in this 2021 year

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 has actually merged with Hope City.

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 Angela's obviously great friends with the podcast,

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 been on lots,

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 but as a lead pastor,

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 is transitioning into a different role,

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 more towards equipping planters as well.

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 And so she is giving literally Hope City a church.

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 She's literally giving them her church,

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 Pursuit Church Live.

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 Hope City has become nothing

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 in the beginning of COVID season

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 all the way to a giga church,

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 arguably within 15 months.

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 What does that look like within the church?

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 How does that look within leaders?

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 By the way, the leaders themselves,

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 Jared and Angie,

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 they're not even full-time pastors with the church.

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 They've opted to go bivocational

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 where they have outside jobs.

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 What are they doing?

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 Why are they doing this?

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 What's the mindset

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 behind not going fully into the ministry

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 and instead diversifying

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 and doing multiple things

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 in addition to arguably

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 the largest digital-only church

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 in the Western hemisphere?

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 So this is a really fascinating conversation

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 that we're digging into here.

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 Once again, we're bringing myself,

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 Jeff with the Church Digital,

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 as well as Jared and Angie Hughes,

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 the lead pastors,

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 the co-lead pastors

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 of probably the largest digital-only church

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 in the Western hemisphere,

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 Hope City Church,

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 in a conversation that I'm simply calling

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 the co-vocational approach

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 to a digital-only church.

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 Okay, everybody, here you go.

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 We went to the Highlands Church Conference,

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 Pastor Chris Hodges,

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 and God spoke to us,

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 spoke to me when we were there

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 and said,

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 I called you to lead

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 and you're not doing it.

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 And so we came back.

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 I came back from that.

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 We resigned at Timberlake

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 as the campus pastor

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 with the plan of just going back

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 into lead pastor work.

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 And it was incredible what happened.

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 You know, Ben Sigmund,

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 you know,

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 he said,

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 yeah, it's crazy.

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 Yeah, he helped us

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 along the campus church.

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 Timberlake Church was an amazing God thing

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 because he was like,

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 you know,

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 why don't we do this?

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 Why don't I give you

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 the location there in Bothell?

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 We'll give you all the gear,

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 all the stuff,

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 launch it as your new church,

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 become part of the,

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 you know,

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 the Free Methodist Church

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 PNWC conference.

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 And so we did.

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 So October,

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 or January 2018,

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 we relaunched that campus

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 as Campus Church.

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 And pretty much by that,

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 yeah,

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 2018, right?

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 Yep.

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 So January 2018,

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 we,

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 Canvas Church emerged.

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 And then we felt like

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 we were just getting

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 into the groove

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 of church planting

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 when COVID hit,

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 which a lot of us

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 kind of put in the same exact.

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 Yeah, so, yeah.

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 So, you know,

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 like Craig Whitney.

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 So it's so great

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 with Craig Whitney.

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 Man,

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 that guy challenged us so much.

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 It was,

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 he asked,

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 he asked me one question was,

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 Jared,

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 what's it,

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 what's a disciple?

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 When you think of a disciple,

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 what's a disciple?

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 It sounds like something

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 Craig would say.

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 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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 And I didn't like it too much.

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 Anyways,

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 no, I did,

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 but it was really challenging

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 because, you know,

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 you sit back and you think,

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 and he goes,

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 besides somebody

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 that reads their Bible and prays.

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 Okay, yeah.

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 Because what's a disciple?

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 If somebody said,

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 what's a disciple of Canvas Church?

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 And that really led us

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 on this path,

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 I think,

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 where we're at today.

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 It was a massively great question.

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 We laughed,

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 got angry

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 and,

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 but it makes you think like,

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 what are you trying to produce?

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 What are you trying to,

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 what's it trying to look like?

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 You know,

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 for us,

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 you know,

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 the background that we have

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 in ministry,

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 you know,

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 we know a lot,

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 we just know a lot of people

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 as well as you do,

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 a lot of movers and shakers

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 in the kingdom of God.

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 And,

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 you know,

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 we've been around the block

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 a few times.

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 And for us,

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 the,

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 if we can edit this out

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 if we want to,

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 it's fine.

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 But I think the blow up

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 and show up model

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 is done,

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 you know.

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 Not everybody,

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 I had someone tell me once,

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 unless you,

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 unless you can raise

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 $300,000 to $500,000

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 don't even plan a church,

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 just go join someone's team.

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 And to me,

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 that's,

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 you know,

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 if I can raise $500,000,

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 I'm probably not going to

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 plan a church,

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 to be honest with you.

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 I'll probably do something different.

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 I just think

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 if there's so many

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 called people,

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 if that is the narrative

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 that's out there,

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 that you have to have

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 the ability to raise

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 hundreds and thousands

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 of dollars,

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 your network has to be

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 so significant

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 and so massive

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 that you can actually

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 go ask so many people,

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 you're so well connected,

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 you're probably

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 not planting a church,

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 you know.

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 And so,

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 maybe you are,

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 that's a few

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 and far between.

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 Most likely,

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 those that can raise

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 $300,000 to $500,000

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 to plan a church

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 are part,

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 probably have some

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 mega movement,

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 which is wonderful,

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 that's not bad,

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 we were part of a mega movement.

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 They're probably

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 well known somehow

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 socially media already.

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 They have a good

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 following of people.

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 That's not the norm.

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 That's not the everyday person.

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 You know,

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 Hope City Church,

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 our tagline is

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 Hope City Church

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 is about bringing hope

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 to everyday people.

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 There's a lot of pastors,

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 a lot of people

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 who are called by God

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 who are just everyday people

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 who do not have

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 the ability

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 to raise millions of dollars

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 or hundreds of thousands

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 of dollars.

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 And if that's all

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 the narrative

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 they're hearing,

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 though,

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 the only story

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 they're hearing is that,

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 then,

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 and with the thought

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 of,

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 you know,

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 if you can't do that,

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 don't start a church,

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 then they're probably

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 sitting on teams

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 they're not supposed to be.

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 So if you're starting,

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 if you're sitting on a team

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 but God has called you

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 to lead

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 and you're sitting on a team,

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 then you're being

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 disobedient to God.

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 So what's the worst part?

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 The worst part is

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 being disobedient to God.

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 There's lots of people

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 that I know personally

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 that God has called them

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 and I know that God's called them.

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 It's clear to lead.

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 But they like being on a team

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 of thousands of people

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 or hundreds of people

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 and they're worried about,

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 you know,

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 what if my church

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 is only 50 people?

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 You know,

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 but you're not,

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 you're not doing

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 what God has called you to do.

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 And that,

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 and that's,

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 to me,

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 is the big,

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 the biggest

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 travesty

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 with some of the,

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 the church planting

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 or the,

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 the,

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 some things we've seen

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 in America.

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 If it's working,

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 then why would we have,

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 why do we have so much

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 decline in the church

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 in America?

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 Well,

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 I think,

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 you know,

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 I think too,

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 Craig,

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 Craig did,

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 he asked us so many questions

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 that challenged just,

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 a lot of stuff is out of,

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 I'm talking about

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 as Craig,

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 so we'll blame Craig.

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 Yeah,

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 out of the thing,

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 you know,

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 out of just like,

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 okay,

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 what is church?

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 What does church really look like?

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 You know,

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 how do,

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 how do we,

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 you know,

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 how do we,

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 you know,

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 pivot if we have to pivot?

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 You know,

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 what's success?

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 What's not success?

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 And what does success look like

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 to us?

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 And so,

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 out of those questions,

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 when,

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 when COVID hit last year,

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 it honestly,

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 what,

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 how he asked us those questions

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 and got us to think

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 outside of the box.

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 And then our kids

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 who work in the tech industry

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 that were like,

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 mom and dad,

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 you guys need to have

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 a social media presence

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 before we start,

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 you know,

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 planting an in-person church.

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 And so,

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 we looked at those things

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 and I remember our first Sunday

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 that we,

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 nobody can meet

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 and we did

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 online church

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 as Canvas Church

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 and afterwards,

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 we're like,

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 oh,

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 wow.

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 Yeah.

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 This,

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 this isn't anything

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 like what we thought

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 digital ministry

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 looked like

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 and,

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 that's a good,

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 that's a,

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 yeah,

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 that's a great point.

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 Wait,

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 wait,

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 wait a second.

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 Are you,

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 are you saying that you,

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 not even,

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 like in the beginning

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 of COVID season,

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 you were not even thinking

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 digital only?

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 No.

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 So,

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 in this COVID season,

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 you've managed to launch

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 a digital only church

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 and,

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 and merge with

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 Pursue Church Live,

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 arguably the largest

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 digital only church

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 in the United States.

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 Yeah.

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 Yeah.

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 Holy cow.

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 Well,

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 and we did it,

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 honestly,

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 there was no mental pivot

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 until last fall.

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 Yeah.

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 So we did this

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 thinking we're,

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 I mean.

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 So,

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 so what happened was,

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 so we launched

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 our church in Bothell

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 and then it shut down.

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 We were meeting at a school,

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 typical church.

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 Yeah.

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 So no schools were open.

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 No schools were open.

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 So we were,

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 we were in the process

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 of,

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 of just,

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 you know,

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 we just got,

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 started getting our feet

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 underneath us.

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 COVID happened.

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 Yeah.

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 And so we,

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 we like,

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 what are we,

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 what are we going to do?

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 You know,

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 we probably have,

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 you know,

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 400 people

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 following us on,

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 as far as Canvas Church.

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 Yeah.

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 On social media.

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 On social media.

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 Yeah.

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 And we just started

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 broadcasting from our apartment.

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 Yeah.

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 And with our iPhones

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 and we're like,

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 man,

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 this is great,

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 you know?

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 And so doing that

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 and then,

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 you know,

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 engagement and stuff

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 that began to happen

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 even on that first Sunday

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 to us was awesome.

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 So that started in March

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 and then by September,

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 Yeah.

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 October,

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 we've grown from 400

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 to over 2000 people.

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 And we're,

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 we're like probably September

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 and we're in the process

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 of,

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 you know,

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 talking with our,

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 with our superintendent,

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 superintendent,

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 Michael Forney,

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 who's amazing leader.

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 If people don't know

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 who Michael Forney is

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 and peanut,

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 I'm going to blow this guy up.

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 That's a guy

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 that people need to talk to.

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 I'm going to tell you right now.

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 That man knows what he's,

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 not only is he intelligent,

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 not only is he educated,

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 which is intelligent,

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 he is tapped into the Holy Spirit.

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 I tell you right now,

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 that guy is somebody

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 that people need,

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 need to know.

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 Amazing,

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 amazing,

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 amazing leader.

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 And so,

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 Yeah.

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 Well,

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 no,

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 and I was going to say,

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 I mean,

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 and he challenged us,

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 you know,

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 I feel like Craig and Michael

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 in these last three years,

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 honestly had gotten us

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 to think outside

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 of the traditional church box.

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 And which I feel like

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 More so than anybody else,

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 I think.

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 Yeah.

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 And we were,

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 I mean,

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 I would say traditional church people,

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 even when COVID hit,

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 but when COVID hit

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 and we began to see

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 what could happen.

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 And I'd say fall of last year,

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 we began to have a discussion

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 because we had the potential

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 of actually being given a building

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 and we could go back

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 into a building once,

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 you know,

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 COVID was over

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 or,

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 you know,

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 possibly,

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 you know,

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 continue to stay in this space.

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 So last end of summer,

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 beginning of fall,

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 Jared and I began to talk about

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 just,

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 you know,

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 the relationships

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 that we're building online,

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 the discipleship

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 that is happening

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 is greater for us

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 than it has been

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 in the last 10 years of ministry.

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 And so that for us

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 was a pivotal point.

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 like the personal engagement,

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 you know,

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 the personal like connection

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 that we were just noticing,

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 like,

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 again,

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 not really understanding

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 what was going on.

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 Yeah.

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 Angie and Angela Craig

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 met in August.

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 No,

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 I think it was like September,

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 October.

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 Yeah.

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 October.

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 The same time that everything

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 is just going to go.

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 Yeah.

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 You know,

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 they kind of connected.

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 Michael introduced them

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 and they connected.

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 Hope City Church

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 was growing digitally.

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 In October,

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 November of last year,

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 we had to make a decision

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 whether to,

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 there's a building

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 within our conference

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 that we were offered

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 that we could,

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 we could have,

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 you know,

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 just get back to normal church

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 when church came back.

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 Debt-free building,

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 property,

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 right in downtown Bothell,

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 beautiful place.

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 You know,

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 everything that you would think of

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 as a pastor,

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 like,

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 yeah,

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 of course.

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 And Michael asked us a question

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 and he said,

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 I'm 98%.

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 The building's yours.

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 The property's yours.

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 You know,

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 I mean,

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 he goes,

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 do you think

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 that if you guys

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 went back

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 back to typical church,

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 which is not bad,

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 you know,

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 traditional church,

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 is it going to hinder

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 what God is doing

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 through you right now?

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 And Jeff,

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 I sat in that chair

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 eating Mexican food,

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 sat back and went,

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 hmm,

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 let me think on this.

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 We went home,

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 we talked,

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 we prayed,

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 talked to our team

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 and I'm like,

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 I think we're going to do what,

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 I mean,

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 every pastor in the world,

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 their goal,

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 unfortunately,

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 is to get a building.

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 Or a bigger building.

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 Yeah,

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 or a bigger building.

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 Pastors,

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 listen,

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 if you're watching,

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 that should not be your goal.

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 Listening,

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 that should not be your goal.

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 Your goal should not be

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 to get a bigger building

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 or a building.

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 That should not be the goal

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 of the ministry.

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 The goal of the ministry

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 is to reach people

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 who don't know Jesus

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 who are lost for eternity.

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 That's the goal.

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 Now,

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 buildings are not bad.

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 We owned a building,

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 had a building,

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 sold a building,

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 gave a building away,

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 turned down a building

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 and property

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 that's worth millions of dollars.

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 Not because we figured

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 some things out.

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 It's just,

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 you have to hear

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 from the Holy Spirit.

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 If the Holy Spirit

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 is telling you

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 to get a building,

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 get a building.

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 But if it's just

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 the traditional route

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 of ministry,

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 then don't do it.

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 Well,

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 and that's what I love about,

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 you know,

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 even go back to Craig

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 and Michael,

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 they challenge us

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 to get outside of the box.

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 Think outside of the box

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 and then in that

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 you can allow

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 the Holy Spirit

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 to direct you

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 and I feel like

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 that's really where

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 2020 led us.

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 For sure,

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 for sure.

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 And so we came back

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 and we did the,

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 we did,

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 I think,

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 I have some friends

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 of mine

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 who are like,

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 you're nuts.

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 Well,

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 they've already

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 taught you're nuts

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 anyway.

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 For years.

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 So we turned it down

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 and we decided

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 we're,

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 and not just us,

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 our team.

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 Yeah.

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 We decided

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 that we're going

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 to go fully digital

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 and

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 in January 2021,

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 we relaunched

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 Canvas Church

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 as Hope City Church.

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 Hope City.

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 And that's where

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 Hope City came out of.

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 You know,

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 Hope City Church

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 was launched

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 in January 2021.

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 In February,

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 Angela Craig

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 reached out to us.

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 Yeah,

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 the end of February.

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 End of February

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 and asked

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 if we would,

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 if we would consider

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 being one of the

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 four or five candidates,

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 four candidates

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 to take over

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 Pursuit Church Live.

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 And so,

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 Which came completely

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 out of the book.

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 Out of the book.

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 Yeah,

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 we were like,

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 Yeah,

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 I'm just like,

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 what?

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 You know,

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 by that time,

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 you know,

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 Angela was mentoring us,

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 giving us good pointers.

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 I mean,

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 just everything you think

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 about was like,

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 you know,

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 read her book 17 times

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 and Nona Jones

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 and other people,

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 of course.

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 And so by that,

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 you know,

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 by January this year,

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 we're fully like,

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 God is leading us.

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 This is where we're going

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 to go.

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 Yeah.

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 And when she reached

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 out to us

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 and this,

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 the momentum

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 of that

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 and this,

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 I think the great

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 like understand,

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 yeah,

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 you know,

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 to be,

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 we're like,

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 sure,

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 I mean,

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 okay,

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 you know,

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 what does that even mean?

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 No one really knows

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 at the time.

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 So we went through

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 that process

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 and to go through

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 that process

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 with the Assemblies

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 of God

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 and with her board

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 and with her board,

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 her board

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 after we met

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 with them

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 unanimously like,

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 this is the couple

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 to take over

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 Pursuit Church Live,

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 met with the Assemblies team,

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 they approved it.

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 Yes,

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 this is the couple for it.

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 To us,

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 it's overwhelming,

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 you know,

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 to think that

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 that God would,

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 not only that God

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 would choose us,

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 that Pastor Angela

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 would,

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 you know,

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 even consider us

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 to be,

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 you know,

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 you know,

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 we were,

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 we're the only candidates

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 that weren't Assemblies,

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 you know,

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 and,

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 and we'd only been in,

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 honestly,

00:17:34.980 --> 00:17:35.640
 we'd only been in

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 digital ministry

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 since March of 2020.

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 So,

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 I mean,

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 we're novices.

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 We don't,

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 we're just kind of

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 figuring it out

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 and trying things

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 that maybe nobody else would

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 because we have no idea

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 what we're doing.

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 Yeah,

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 it's great.

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 We have no idea

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 what we're doing.

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 So it's awesome.

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 You know,

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 well,

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 it's,

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 it's amazing

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 to me here.

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 It's amazing

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 that it's like

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 you weren't,

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 when the rest of,

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 the majority of churches

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 are trying to get back

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 to February 2020,

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 let's get back

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 to that physical space.

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 Let's,

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 let's,

00:18:02.600 --> 00:18:03.320
 let's put pressure.

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 Let's drive everybody

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 towards it.

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 You're,

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 you're one of the few

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 that,

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 that I've heard

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 that is a hundred percent

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 sold the opposite direction.

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 It's like this,

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 this,

00:18:13.340 --> 00:18:14.640
 this digital thing

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 is incredible.

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 This online ministry,

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 there's so much potential.

00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:18.200
 There's so much more,

00:18:18.280 --> 00:18:19.180
 more power for,

00:18:19.180 --> 00:18:19.820
 uh,

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 discipleship and intimacy

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 and some of this stuff.

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 And,

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 and God rewards you

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 with like a giga church

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 worth of people

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 handed to you

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 on,

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 on a silver platter.

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 Like this is,

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 I,

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 I had,

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 it was funny.

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 Like I questioned myself,

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 honestly,

00:18:34.340 --> 00:18:34.740
 I'm like,

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 how have I never heard

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 of these people?

00:18:36.980 --> 00:18:37.980
 When Angela mentioned

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 your name for me

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 a couple of times,

00:18:39.260 --> 00:18:39.860
 it was just like,

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 I was like,

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 I've never heard of them.

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 And it's,

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 well,

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 it's because you weren't around.

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 You weren't doing anything

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 in this digital space.

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 This is,

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 I mean,

00:18:45.820 --> 00:18:46.080
 I,

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 I'm literally,

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 I'm totally taken aback.

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 I was not expecting that,

00:18:49.660 --> 00:18:50.220
 uh,

00:18:50.220 --> 00:18:51.100
 in this conversation.

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 It's beautiful to see

00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:52.740
 how God's moved

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 in this with you all.

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 It's wonderful.

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 Jeff is like,

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 you know,

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 not,

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 we're so sold on this.

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 You know,

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 the more that we study,

00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.160
 the more we realize,

00:19:02.340 --> 00:19:03.020
 you know,

00:19:03.140 --> 00:19:03.440
 um,

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 you're going to know

00:19:03.940 --> 00:19:04.800
 more of these stats

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 than probably more than not.

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 And you'll share it.

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 If you do,

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 I'll be like,

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 okay,

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 we'll add that.

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 You know,

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 um,

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 the fascinating thing is

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 out of a period of my life

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 about five years ago,

00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:16.940
 I was struggling deep,

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 struggling deep with anxiety

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 and,

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 uh,

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 panic attacks.

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 And I started,

00:19:21.700 --> 00:19:23.260
 I started an online game

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 just to do something

00:19:25.280 --> 00:19:26.840
 to get my mind off of

00:19:26.840 --> 00:19:27.800
 ministry.

00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:27.980
 I,

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 for the most part,

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 I mean,

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 what in life.

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 And I started playing

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 this online game

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 and to look back at that,

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 some of these guys,

00:19:37.300 --> 00:19:37.760
 five years,

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 I'm still playing,

00:19:38.360 --> 00:19:38.900
 five years later,

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 we're very close friends.

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 I mean,

00:19:42.100 --> 00:19:42.280
 we,

00:19:42.460 --> 00:19:42.840
 some of us,

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 we've never met.

00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:46.380
 We've never met in person.

00:19:46.460 --> 00:19:47.340
 We probably never will meet.

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 They're all over the world.

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 Some of these men,

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 some of these guys and gals,

00:19:51.520 --> 00:19:53.000
 I have,

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 pastored them through their

00:19:54.260 --> 00:19:55.860
 loss of their mom,

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 their dads,

00:19:57.140 --> 00:19:57.420
 um,

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 divorces,

00:19:58.700 --> 00:19:59.220
 um,

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 as close as,

00:20:02.520 --> 00:20:03.840
 as anything else.

00:20:03.840 --> 00:20:05.480
 And to look at that,

00:20:05.540 --> 00:20:07.560
 to think that that right there

00:20:07.560 --> 00:20:09.000
 was a moment the Holy Spirit

00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:09.680
 was using

00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:11.080
 to prepare,

00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:12.580
 to change my mindset,

00:20:12.780 --> 00:20:13.540
 our mindset.

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 This is what I've learned

00:20:15.660 --> 00:20:16.540
 now,

00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:18.280
 now being digital pastors,

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 you know,

00:20:19.700 --> 00:20:20.200
 um,

00:20:20.800 --> 00:20:22.140
 since March of what?

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 2020.

00:20:22.560 --> 00:20:22.740
 Yeah,

00:20:22.740 --> 00:20:23.120
 2020.

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 Like,

00:20:24.100 --> 00:20:24.360
 yeah,

00:20:24.540 --> 00:20:25.120
 just a year.

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 This,

00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:27.880
 this is what I,

00:20:27.940 --> 00:20:28.740
 this is what I've learned.

00:20:29.740 --> 00:20:30.180
 And,

00:20:30.280 --> 00:20:30.560
 you know,

00:20:30.620 --> 00:20:32.020
 Angela's helped us with this as well.

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 And we know this to be true.

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 There's hundreds of,

00:20:36.080 --> 00:20:37.040
 thousands of people

00:20:37.040 --> 00:20:38.900
 possibly watching you

00:20:38.900 --> 00:20:40.700
 that you don't know.

00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:42.700
 You have no idea.

00:20:42.900 --> 00:20:43.680
 There's no way

00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:44.720
 and the algorithms,

00:20:44.900 --> 00:20:46.140
 the way Facebook and Instagram

00:20:46.140 --> 00:20:47.420
 and YouTube do things,

00:20:47.820 --> 00:20:48.240
 you know,

00:20:48.420 --> 00:20:48.660
 um,

00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:49.500
 you're not going to know.

00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:51.380
 But when they connect with you,

00:20:51.980 --> 00:20:52.900
 they connect

00:20:52.900 --> 00:20:53.820
 and it's an instantaneous,

00:20:54.040 --> 00:20:54.180
 it's,

00:20:54.180 --> 00:20:55.400
 it's a fast connection

00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:56.880
 because they know you,

00:20:56.940 --> 00:20:57.620
 they've watched you.

00:20:57.720 --> 00:20:57.880
 They,

00:20:57.940 --> 00:20:58.140
 they,

00:20:58.220 --> 00:20:59.320
 they think they know you.

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 We've seen this all over the world

00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:01.100
 in,

00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:02.000
 in just the,

00:21:02.140 --> 00:21:02.440
 you know,

00:21:02.540 --> 00:21:04.020
 I don't have to use the word secular

00:21:04.020 --> 00:21:05.780
 and church interchange.

00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:06.340
 I don't have to use,

00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:07.580
 it's just where the,

00:21:07.700 --> 00:21:08.240
 we're people,

00:21:08.360 --> 00:21:08.620
 right?

00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:09.120
 And so

00:21:09.120 --> 00:21:11.680
 when they connect with you,

00:21:11.780 --> 00:21:12.640
 it's real,

00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:13.460
 it's fast

00:21:13.460 --> 00:21:14.320
 and it's now

00:21:14.320 --> 00:21:14.960
 and it's,

00:21:15.380 --> 00:21:16.780
 so we teach our team.

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 So our process on our,

00:21:18.760 --> 00:21:19.080
 on our,

00:21:19.080 --> 00:21:19.440
 on our,

00:21:19.560 --> 00:21:20.720
 on our,

00:21:20.840 --> 00:21:21.860
 on our Sunday mornings

00:21:21.860 --> 00:21:22.960
 or anything we're doing

00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:23.660
 during the week,

00:21:23.820 --> 00:21:25.260
 if somebody is liking

00:21:25.260 --> 00:21:26.080
 what we like

00:21:26.080 --> 00:21:26.920
 or it's doing

00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:27.280
 any,

00:21:27.360 --> 00:21:28.400
 any like or heart,

00:21:28.500 --> 00:21:28.740
 whatever,

00:21:28.900 --> 00:21:29.720
 any engagement

00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:30.820
 we require,

00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:31.020
 we,

00:21:31.020 --> 00:21:31.840
 we ask our team,

00:21:31.940 --> 00:21:32.720
 require our team.

00:21:32.840 --> 00:21:33.260
 It's mandatory

00:21:33.260 --> 00:21:35.180
 that we are engaging

00:21:35.180 --> 00:21:35.920
 back with them

00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:37.860
 because that's a person

00:21:37.860 --> 00:21:38.280
 that's saying,

00:21:38.380 --> 00:21:38.540
 hey,

00:21:38.620 --> 00:21:39.540
 do you see me?

00:21:39.860 --> 00:21:40.760
 I'm here,

00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:41.600
 you know,

00:21:41.660 --> 00:21:43.600
 we instantly engage

00:21:43.600 --> 00:21:44.020
 with them

00:21:44.020 --> 00:21:45.600
 and we reach out to them

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 and we pray for them.

00:21:46.520 --> 00:21:47.320
 We invite them

00:21:47.320 --> 00:21:48.540
 at the same time,

00:21:48.800 --> 00:21:50.180
 at the same time,

00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:50.840
 going back to

00:21:50.840 --> 00:21:51.660
 some things

00:21:51.660 --> 00:21:52.640
 that Craig helped us with.

00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:55.900
 I think for years,

00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:56.880
 us pastors

00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:58.100
 have spent too much time

00:21:58.100 --> 00:21:59.780
 trying to drag people

00:21:59.780 --> 00:22:00.560
 through a process

00:22:00.560 --> 00:22:00.980
 they don't want

00:22:00.980 --> 00:22:02.020
 to be dragged through.

00:22:03.300 --> 00:22:04.280
 A disciple

00:22:04.280 --> 00:22:05.160
 is a person

00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:06.600
 biblically

00:22:06.600 --> 00:22:07.820
 that wants

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 to follow.

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 there's something

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 going on

00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:11.720
 on the inside

00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:11.940
 of them.

00:22:12.040 --> 00:22:12.740
 They want

00:22:12.740 --> 00:22:13.300
 to be,

00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:14.080
 they want

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 to mimic.

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 So we have

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 to get back

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 to the understanding

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 of the Jewish

00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:17.640
 culture

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 and what,

00:22:18.800 --> 00:22:19.500
 and how

00:22:19.500 --> 00:22:20.380
 Jesus,

00:22:20.580 --> 00:22:21.040
 the moment,

00:22:21.180 --> 00:22:21.780
 how he is

00:22:21.780 --> 00:22:22.980
 leading in those

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 spaces.

00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:25.960
 He wasn't trying

00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:26.800
 to force people

00:22:26.800 --> 00:22:27.260
 to do something

00:22:27.260 --> 00:22:27.900
 they didn't want

00:22:27.900 --> 00:22:28.420
 to do.

00:22:28.620 --> 00:22:29.420
 They wanted

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 to do it.

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 And so I think

00:22:31.300 --> 00:22:33.120
 for probably

00:22:33.120 --> 00:22:34.280
 the last decade,

00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:34.960
 a couple decades,

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 we have these

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 great terms

00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:38.320
 of next steps

00:22:38.320 --> 00:22:39.020
 and your next

00:22:39.020 --> 00:22:39.660
 right step

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 and this and that

00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:41.480
 and trying to get

00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:41.800
 people,

00:22:42.040 --> 00:22:42.600
 if you have

00:22:42.600 --> 00:22:43.480
 somebody volunteering

00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:44.240
 at your church

00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:45.280
 and they're saying

00:22:45.280 --> 00:22:45.800
 hi to somebody

00:22:45.800 --> 00:22:46.260
 at the door,

00:22:46.340 --> 00:22:46.920
 we think they're

00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:47.400
 a disciple.

00:22:47.820 --> 00:22:48.920
 They could be,

00:22:48.980 --> 00:22:49.540
 but they're probably

00:22:49.540 --> 00:22:50.140
 not.

00:22:50.800 --> 00:22:51.320
 They're just

00:22:51.320 --> 00:22:51.880
 a good person

00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:52.320
 that wants to,

00:22:52.340 --> 00:22:52.640
 and it doesn't

00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:52.920
 mean they don't

00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:53.420
 love Jesus,

00:22:53.540 --> 00:22:53.960
 they're just

00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:54.800
 volunteering.

00:22:56.340 --> 00:22:56.900
 We're not

00:22:56.900 --> 00:22:57.540
 called to create

00:22:57.540 --> 00:22:58.280
 volunteers.

00:22:58.780 --> 00:22:59.040
 We're called

00:22:59.040 --> 00:22:59.400
 to create

00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:00.060
 disciples.

00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:01.080
 And the

00:23:01.080 --> 00:23:01.500
 disciple,

00:23:02.220 --> 00:23:02.900
 what a disciple

00:23:02.900 --> 00:23:03.200
 is,

00:23:03.260 --> 00:23:04.080
 has been already,

00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:06.480
 Jesus is the one

00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:06.960
 that says what

00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:07.700
 a disciple is.

00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:08.460
 A person that

00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:09.060
 denies themselves,

00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:09.660
 take up the cross

00:23:09.660 --> 00:23:10.320
 and follows Jesus,

00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:11.760
 follows him.

00:23:12.100 --> 00:23:12.600
 So I think

00:23:12.600 --> 00:23:13.040
 what we're

00:23:13.040 --> 00:23:14.020
 discovering is

00:23:14.020 --> 00:23:15.440
 digitally,

00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:16.420
 we put the

00:23:16.420 --> 00:23:17.020
 pressure on the

00:23:17.020 --> 00:23:18.000
 people to make,

00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:19.360
 to decide to

00:23:19.360 --> 00:23:19.700
 follow.

00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:20.760
 Well,

00:23:20.840 --> 00:23:21.220
 and we see,

00:23:21.300 --> 00:23:21.460
 you know,

00:23:21.500 --> 00:23:21.860
 we're seeing,

00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:22.440
 right?

00:23:22.560 --> 00:23:22.660
 Well,

00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:23.240
 and we're seeing

00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:24.100
 people that,

00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:24.780
 you know,

00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:26.000
 maybe we're watching

00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:26.440
 and actually

00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:27.600
 stories of people

00:23:27.600 --> 00:23:29.480
 that I was watching

00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:30.440
 you for months,

00:23:30.520 --> 00:23:31.320
 never engaged,

00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:31.920
 never liked,

00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:32.560
 never did anything,

00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:33.180
 then all of a sudden

00:23:33.180 --> 00:23:34.340
 they are,

00:23:34.760 --> 00:23:35.460
 but then they're

00:23:35.460 --> 00:23:36.160
 the ones that are

00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:37.240
 actually engaging

00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:38.120
 with other people

00:23:38.120 --> 00:23:39.160
 and inviting people

00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:40.100
 into the conversation.

00:23:40.760 --> 00:23:41.220
 And that's what

00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:42.180
 we have seen,

00:23:42.520 --> 00:23:42.760
 you know,

00:23:42.820 --> 00:23:43.780
 people inviting,

00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:44.800
 people bringing

00:23:44.800 --> 00:23:45.880
 people along with

00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:46.580
 them in the

00:23:46.580 --> 00:23:47.460
 digital space

00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:48.800
 way more than

00:23:48.800 --> 00:23:49.840
 we ever could

00:23:49.840 --> 00:23:50.620
 to bring people

00:23:50.620 --> 00:23:51.660
 inside of a church

00:23:51.660 --> 00:23:52.800
 building with walls.

00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:54.000
 It's easier

00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:54.900
 to invite someone

00:23:54.900 --> 00:23:55.560
 where they can

00:23:55.560 --> 00:23:57.200
 see from a distance,

00:23:57.340 --> 00:23:58.300
 maybe not feel

00:23:58.300 --> 00:23:58.960
 overly,

00:23:59.220 --> 00:23:59.780
 you know,

00:23:59.900 --> 00:24:01.980
 pushed back on

00:24:01.980 --> 00:24:03.020
 and then they can,

00:24:03.080 --> 00:24:03.380
 you know,

00:24:03.500 --> 00:24:04.220
 maybe tip their,

00:24:04.260 --> 00:24:04.480
 you know,

00:24:04.580 --> 00:24:05.400
 dip their toe in

00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:06.240
 and then jump in

00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:06.620
 and that's what

00:24:06.620 --> 00:24:07.360
 we're really seeing.

00:24:07.460 --> 00:24:07.580
 Yeah,

00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:08.560
 I think this,

00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:09.960
 I think the digital space

00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:10.760
 is not going away.

00:24:11.040 --> 00:24:11.260
 Yeah.

00:24:12.260 --> 00:24:12.980
 The virtual world

00:24:12.980 --> 00:24:14.060
 is here to stay.

00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:14.400
 Yeah.

00:24:14.500 --> 00:24:15.020
 You know,

00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:16.420
 and we need to realize

00:24:16.420 --> 00:24:17.200
 this as a church.

00:24:18.340 --> 00:24:19.500
 Going back in person,

00:24:19.620 --> 00:24:19.900
 now look,

00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:20.600
 don't get me wrong,

00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:21.780
 I love going,

00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:22.880
 I love worship.

00:24:23.180 --> 00:24:24.140
 I love being around

00:24:24.140 --> 00:24:24.600
 people.

00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:25.900
 I love that whole

00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:26.340
 atmosphere,

00:24:26.540 --> 00:24:27.480
 but honestly,

00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:28.020
 I think,

00:24:28.120 --> 00:24:28.640
 do we love the

00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:29.620
 atmosphere and be,

00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:30.220
 again,

00:24:30.340 --> 00:24:30.740
 atmosphere?

00:24:31.260 --> 00:24:31.760
 Do we really,

00:24:31.940 --> 00:24:33.080
 are we really engaging

00:24:33.080 --> 00:24:33.980
 with each other

00:24:33.980 --> 00:24:36.060
 or we just want a fix

00:24:36.060 --> 00:24:37.000
 of that feeling

00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:37.900
 of what it's like

00:24:37.900 --> 00:24:38.700
 to be around a bunch

00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:40.020
 of people engaged

00:24:40.020 --> 00:24:40.980
 in a certain thing?

00:24:41.540 --> 00:24:42.700
 I think that's more

00:24:42.700 --> 00:24:43.180
 of the thing

00:24:43.180 --> 00:24:43.880
 than anything else.

00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:44.240
 Again,

00:24:44.340 --> 00:24:46.040
 being raised in an

00:24:46.040 --> 00:24:46.460
 environment,

00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:47.360
 mega environment

00:24:47.360 --> 00:24:47.820
 where,

00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:48.420
 you know,

00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:48.920
 you have the best

00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:49.820
 of the best all the time

00:24:49.820 --> 00:24:50.620
 no matter what you do.

00:24:51.080 --> 00:24:51.380
 You know,

00:24:51.580 --> 00:24:53.860
 are we really

00:24:53.860 --> 00:24:55.120
 discipling people?

00:24:55.540 --> 00:24:56.600
 Are we really engaged

00:24:56.600 --> 00:24:57.260
 in their lives?

00:24:57.300 --> 00:24:58.020
 These are questions

00:24:58.020 --> 00:24:59.360
 we have to ask ourselves

00:24:59.360 --> 00:25:00.080
 as a church,

00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.180
 as a church globally.

00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:03.440
 If

00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.320
 we're declining

00:25:06.320 --> 00:25:07.140
 in America,

00:25:07.620 --> 00:25:08.440
 reaching people

00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:09.200
 and discipling people,

00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:09.860
 we have to stop

00:25:09.860 --> 00:25:10.440
 and ask ourselves,

00:25:10.940 --> 00:25:11.300
 why?

00:25:11.900 --> 00:25:13.520
 Why do we see

00:25:13.520 --> 00:25:14.060
 platform,

00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:15.100
 the biggest ministries

00:25:15.100 --> 00:25:15.980
 of the nation,

00:25:16.100 --> 00:25:16.760
 the biggest this,

00:25:16.820 --> 00:25:17.480
 the biggest that,

00:25:17.780 --> 00:25:18.980
 but we're declining.

00:25:18.980 --> 00:25:19.920
 So we have to,

00:25:20.060 --> 00:25:21.040
 either we're not declining

00:25:21.040 --> 00:25:21.900
 and that's just

00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:23.220
 a bunch of propaganda

00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:25.060
 or we are declining

00:25:25.060 --> 00:25:26.420
 and yet why do we

00:25:26.420 --> 00:25:27.460
 only hear from people

00:25:27.460 --> 00:25:28.600
 who have the churches

00:25:28.600 --> 00:25:29.120
 of thousands

00:25:29.120 --> 00:25:29.540
 and thousands

00:25:29.540 --> 00:25:30.000
 and thousands

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:30.520
 and thousands?

00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:31.380
 Okay,

00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:33.720
 so why are we declining?

00:25:34.040 --> 00:25:34.940
 How do we change

00:25:34.940 --> 00:25:35.600
 that momentum?

00:25:35.820 --> 00:25:37.000
 I think what God

00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:38.200
 is showing us

00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:39.080
 in a number of ways,

00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:39.800
 number one,

00:25:42.060 --> 00:25:42.480
 the virtual,

00:25:42.580 --> 00:25:42.760
 again,

00:25:42.860 --> 00:25:43.560
 the virtual world

00:25:43.560 --> 00:25:43.920
 is not,

00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.340
 it's not going to,

00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:46.780
 it's not going to go away.

00:25:46.780 --> 00:25:47.620
 We're going to see

00:25:47.620 --> 00:25:48.680
 more digital churches

00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:49.660
 or we're going

00:25:49.660 --> 00:25:50.340
 to see more of it.

00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:51.140
 We're not going

00:25:51.140 --> 00:25:51.920
 to see less of that

00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:52.780
 and that's going

00:25:52.780 --> 00:25:53.280
 to go,

00:25:54.940 --> 00:25:55.580
 that's going

00:25:55.580 --> 00:25:56.140
 to confront

00:25:56.140 --> 00:25:57.580
 our vocational

00:25:57.580 --> 00:25:58.880
 ministry life,

00:25:58.920 --> 00:25:59.380
 I think.

00:25:59.560 --> 00:25:59.660
 Yeah,

00:26:00.100 --> 00:26:00.320
 yeah.

00:26:00.660 --> 00:26:01.160
 Let me,

00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:01.880
 let me ask this

00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:03.260
 because I'm curious.

00:26:03.460 --> 00:26:03.520
 You,

00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:05.680
 within the past

00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:06.740
 18 months,

00:26:07.020 --> 00:26:08.560
 your canvas church

00:26:08.560 --> 00:26:09.480
 has become

00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:10.280
 physical,

00:26:11.220 --> 00:26:11.760
 COVID,

00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:12.900
 digital,

00:26:12.900 --> 00:26:13.820
 and now

00:26:13.820 --> 00:26:14.540
 you inserted,

00:26:14.800 --> 00:26:15.400
 I don't know,

00:26:15.840 --> 00:26:17.360
 thousands of people

00:26:17.360 --> 00:26:18.440
 into this equation,

00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:18.900
 you know,

00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:19.480
 and I've heard

00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:20.040
 Angela Craig

00:26:20.040 --> 00:26:21.040
 talk about the stats,

00:26:21.520 --> 00:26:22.580
 51% outside

00:26:22.580 --> 00:26:23.320
 of the United States,

00:26:23.420 --> 00:26:24.220
 49 languages,

00:26:24.380 --> 00:26:25.180
 48 countries,

00:26:25.300 --> 00:26:25.900
 like it's just

00:26:25.900 --> 00:26:27.140
 as ridiculous

00:26:27.140 --> 00:26:28.520
 some of the exposure

00:26:28.520 --> 00:26:29.320
 that she's been able

00:26:29.320 --> 00:26:29.680
 to get

00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:30.520
 and the connections

00:26:30.520 --> 00:26:31.200
 and the relationships

00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:31.800
 and the church

00:26:31.800 --> 00:26:32.540
 that she's developed

00:26:32.540 --> 00:26:33.580
 entirely on Facebook.

00:26:36.060 --> 00:26:37.100
 Who's keeping up

00:26:37.100 --> 00:26:37.540
 with this?

00:26:37.540 --> 00:26:38.880
 like how are you

00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:40.380
 getting the canvas

00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:41.120
 people

00:26:41.120 --> 00:26:43.320
 bought into

00:26:43.320 --> 00:26:44.420
 a digital

00:26:44.420 --> 00:26:45.260
 process,

00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:46.140
 into a,

00:26:46.600 --> 00:26:47.260
 it sounds like

00:26:47.260 --> 00:26:48.380
 a new discipleship,

00:26:48.500 --> 00:26:49.360
 disciple-making

00:26:49.360 --> 00:26:50.760
 centric environment,

00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:51.940
 like are they

00:26:51.940 --> 00:26:52.500
 drinking from

00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:53.240
 the fire hose?

00:26:53.460 --> 00:26:54.400
 Are they keeping up?

00:26:54.500 --> 00:26:55.000
 Are they,

00:26:55.460 --> 00:26:56.300
 I'm out of here,

00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:57.140
 I want to go find

00:26:57.140 --> 00:26:58.000
 the physical building?

00:26:58.140 --> 00:26:58.980
 What's been some

00:26:58.980 --> 00:26:59.940
 of those environments

00:26:59.940 --> 00:27:00.420
 because you guys

00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:01.540
 have transitioned heavily.

00:27:02.060 --> 00:27:02.220
 Dude,

00:27:02.280 --> 00:27:02.940
 that's a great question.

00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:04.780
 Let me answer it

00:27:04.780 --> 00:27:06.020
 this way.

00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:06.920
 Yes.

00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:07.540
 Yes.

00:27:08.120 --> 00:27:08.560
 Yes.

00:27:08.780 --> 00:27:09.120
 No,

00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:09.320
 no,

00:27:09.380 --> 00:27:09.680
 yes,

00:27:09.780 --> 00:27:10.300
 it may be.

00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:12.480
 I think our,

00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:13.340
 our core team

00:27:13.340 --> 00:27:14.740
 completely bought it.

00:27:15.020 --> 00:27:15.140
 Yeah,

00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:15.540
 we did.

00:27:15.620 --> 00:27:16.360
 We made the decision

00:27:16.360 --> 00:27:16.740
 together.

00:27:16.840 --> 00:27:17.320
 It wasn't just

00:27:17.320 --> 00:27:17.840
 Jared and I

00:27:17.840 --> 00:27:18.240
 saying,

00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:19.080
 this is what

00:27:19.080 --> 00:27:19.760
 we're going to do.

00:27:19.900 --> 00:27:20.820
 We all went

00:27:20.820 --> 00:27:21.720
 on this journey

00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:22.120
 together.

00:27:22.120 --> 00:27:22.640
 So it's been

00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:24.260
 literally an open

00:27:24.260 --> 00:27:25.040
 conversation.

00:27:26.120 --> 00:27:27.480
 And so that's

00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:27.960
 been helpful

00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:28.760
 that we've actually,

00:27:28.940 --> 00:27:29.560
 and I feel like

00:27:29.560 --> 00:27:30.080
 the first time

00:27:30.080 --> 00:27:30.580
 in our life

00:27:30.580 --> 00:27:31.280
 as senior pastors,

00:27:31.520 --> 00:27:31.740
 we've,

00:27:32.080 --> 00:27:32.820
 we have a team

00:27:32.820 --> 00:27:33.680
 that we're doing

00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:34.620
 something together

00:27:34.620 --> 00:27:36.420
 versus we're making

00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:36.780
 the decision

00:27:36.780 --> 00:27:37.560
 decisions and,

00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:37.840
 you know.

00:27:37.900 --> 00:27:38.620
 Which goes into a,

00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:39.680
 it goes into a,

00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:40.980
 to a bigger conversation.

00:27:41.300 --> 00:27:41.600
 You know,

00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:43.740
 it's again,

00:27:43.940 --> 00:27:45.220
 the co-vocational role.

00:27:45.280 --> 00:27:46.020
 We've been co-vocational

00:27:46.020 --> 00:27:46.680
 for three years.

00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:47.880
 Not,

00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:48.560
 not just when we

00:27:48.560 --> 00:27:49.380
 started a campus church.

00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:49.580
 We,

00:27:49.580 --> 00:27:49.800
 we,

00:27:49.800 --> 00:27:50.240
 we saw,

00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:51.880
 when we transitioned

00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:53.620
 Timberlake Bothell campus,

00:27:53.840 --> 00:27:54.340
 we know,

00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:55.140
 we saw the money

00:27:55.140 --> 00:27:55.780
 coming in,

00:27:56.120 --> 00:27:56.500
 the money,

00:27:56.700 --> 00:27:57.100
 you know,

00:27:57.340 --> 00:27:58.020
 being spent

00:27:58.020 --> 00:27:58.360
 and said,

00:27:58.500 --> 00:27:59.100
 that's not going

00:27:59.100 --> 00:27:59.540
 to work.

00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:00.100
 you know,

00:28:00.140 --> 00:28:00.460
 what's good

00:28:00.460 --> 00:28:00.920
 about having

00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:02.180
 a multi-campus church,

00:28:02.500 --> 00:28:02.800
 you know,

00:28:02.800 --> 00:28:03.680
 when one campus

00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:04.260
 is struggling,

00:28:04.740 --> 00:28:04.940
 you know,

00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:06.360
 the rest kind of

00:28:06.360 --> 00:28:07.500
 help it along,

00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:08.380
 you know,

00:28:08.420 --> 00:28:09.740
 and when you're

00:28:09.740 --> 00:28:11.220
 seeing a 50% help

00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:12.460
 and you're taking over

00:28:12.460 --> 00:28:13.160
 and you realize

00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:13.740
 most of these people

00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:14.240
 are going to leave

00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:15.320
 because they're part

00:28:15.320 --> 00:28:16.260
 of a different church

00:28:16.260 --> 00:28:17.060
 and we're not

00:28:17.060 --> 00:28:17.840
 the same way,

00:28:18.040 --> 00:28:18.980
 we both decided

00:28:18.980 --> 00:28:19.960
 let's get back

00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:20.480
 our feet back

00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:20.960
 into ministry,

00:28:21.220 --> 00:28:22.340
 into the secular world,

00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:23.500
 secular again,

00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:24.100
 back into,

00:28:24.220 --> 00:28:25.020
 to the work world.

00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:28.180
 because there's no way,

00:28:28.300 --> 00:28:28.780
 it's not going

00:28:28.780 --> 00:28:29.320
 to be sustainable.

00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:32.020
 So that's a,

00:28:32.020 --> 00:28:33.700
 that's a whole

00:28:33.700 --> 00:28:34.620
 other conversation

00:28:34.620 --> 00:28:35.060
 of,

00:28:35.180 --> 00:28:35.780
 you know,

00:28:35.840 --> 00:28:36.260
 what it's going,

00:28:36.380 --> 00:28:37.640
 what it really looks like.

00:28:39.560 --> 00:28:40.000
 Yeah.

00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:40.360
 Yeah.

00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:40.720
 I would say

00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:41.880
 in the last six weeks,

00:28:42.220 --> 00:28:43.780
 once it's become solidified,

00:28:43.900 --> 00:28:44.080
 now,

00:28:44.180 --> 00:28:44.300
 you know,

00:28:44.300 --> 00:28:44.500
 I mean,

00:28:44.560 --> 00:28:45.140
 people now

00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:45.900
 that churches

00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:46.600
 are going back

00:28:46.600 --> 00:28:47.240
 into in-person

00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:47.820
 and they share

00:28:47.820 --> 00:28:48.240
 there's no wrong

00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:48.540
 with that.

00:28:48.860 --> 00:28:49.940
 People in our church

00:28:49.940 --> 00:28:50.340
 and I think

00:28:50.340 --> 00:28:50.860
 what we're seeing

00:28:50.860 --> 00:28:52.100
 is families

00:28:52.100 --> 00:28:52.960
 that have children

00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:53.520
 want,

00:28:53.820 --> 00:28:55.340
 who are church people,

00:28:55.660 --> 00:28:56.100
 church people,

00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:56.680
 not in a bad way,

00:28:56.700 --> 00:28:57.440
 I don't want to do that.

00:28:57.660 --> 00:28:58.460
 Church people

00:28:58.460 --> 00:29:00.620
 who have friends

00:29:00.620 --> 00:29:00.980
 and family,

00:29:01.020 --> 00:29:01.160
 you know,

00:29:01.180 --> 00:29:01.780
 they have kids,

00:29:01.840 --> 00:29:02.880
 they want to be in-person.

00:29:03.800 --> 00:29:04.780
 That's not bad.

00:29:05.020 --> 00:29:05.760
 That's great.

00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:08.480
 I understand that.

00:29:08.540 --> 00:29:08.720
 They want,

00:29:08.780 --> 00:29:09.240
 they want to build

00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.440
 community with other people.

00:29:10.560 --> 00:29:11.240
 What's the best way

00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:12.780
 to build in-person community

00:29:12.780 --> 00:29:13.980
 is be in-person,

00:29:14.120 --> 00:29:14.420
 you know.

00:29:15.220 --> 00:29:16.440
 Over the last six weeks,

00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:17.580
 we've lost $4,000

00:29:17.580 --> 00:29:18.320
 a month in giving.

00:29:20.600 --> 00:29:20.960
 Well,

00:29:21.020 --> 00:29:21.420
 and it's,

00:29:21.520 --> 00:29:21.660
 you know,

00:29:21.700 --> 00:29:22.360
 and there's a lot

00:29:22.360 --> 00:29:22.980
 of different factors.

00:29:23.100 --> 00:29:23.460
 I think,

00:29:23.500 --> 00:29:23.760
 you know,

00:29:23.820 --> 00:29:24.200
 there's,

00:29:24.780 --> 00:29:26.180
 we need to have,

00:29:26.360 --> 00:29:27.560
 multiple things.

00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:28.880
 In-person is obviously

00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:29.720
 huge.

00:29:29.800 --> 00:29:30.100
 I mean,

00:29:30.560 --> 00:29:31.120
 we're people,

00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:31.480
 people,

00:29:31.540 --> 00:29:32.540
 we need to be around people.

00:29:32.600 --> 00:29:33.660
 And I think with families,

00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:35.200
 especially with COVID

00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:36.180
 and kids,

00:29:36.280 --> 00:29:36.720
 you know,

00:29:36.820 --> 00:29:39.400
 doing school from home

00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:40.060
 and virtually,

00:29:40.560 --> 00:29:40.660
 they,

00:29:40.900 --> 00:29:41.920
 they're social things

00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:43.140
 and they're social implications

00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:44.940
 that are taking place now

00:29:44.940 --> 00:29:45.380
 on our kids,

00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:46.020
 which is causing,

00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:46.360
 you know,

00:29:46.360 --> 00:29:47.040
 more anxieties

00:29:47.040 --> 00:29:47.540
 and stresses

00:29:47.540 --> 00:29:48.340
 and those kind of things.

00:29:48.780 --> 00:29:49.260
 So I think,

00:29:49.300 --> 00:29:49.540
 you know,

00:29:49.600 --> 00:29:50.620
 families is harder

00:29:50.620 --> 00:29:52.340
 to stay online only.

00:29:54.080 --> 00:29:55.240
 And so we have had

00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:56.020
 some people

00:29:56.020 --> 00:29:57.040
 in Canvas Church,

00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:57.380
 you know,

00:29:57.420 --> 00:29:58.640
 the transition to,

00:29:59.160 --> 00:29:59.320
 yeah,

00:29:59.340 --> 00:30:00.500
 they want to go back

00:30:00.500 --> 00:30:01.280
 to in-person

00:30:01.280 --> 00:30:02.680
 and,

00:30:02.820 --> 00:30:04.240
 or this transition

00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:05.340
 is a little bit

00:30:05.340 --> 00:30:06.620
 too hard for them.

00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:06.900
 I mean,

00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:07.420
 I feel like

00:30:07.420 --> 00:30:08.360
 in any transition,

00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:09.140
 you,

00:30:09.360 --> 00:30:09.620
 you know,

00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:11.340
 people join with you

00:30:11.340 --> 00:30:12.300
 and then people move

00:30:12.300 --> 00:30:13.240
 on to something else.

00:30:13.900 --> 00:30:14.380
 So,

00:30:14.900 --> 00:30:15.440
 yes,

00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:16.300
 we've had that.

00:30:16.820 --> 00:30:18.320
 And there has been transition

00:30:18.320 --> 00:30:20.700
 even in PCL

00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:21.580
 and Hope City Church

00:30:21.580 --> 00:30:22.940
 becoming Hope City Church.

00:30:23.380 --> 00:30:23.600
 I mean,

00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:24.800
 there's connections with,

00:30:24.900 --> 00:30:25.420
 you know,

00:30:25.540 --> 00:30:25.980
 Angela

00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:27.300
 and Angela is

00:30:27.300 --> 00:30:29.520
 probably one of the best

00:30:29.520 --> 00:30:31.740
 discipleship pastors

00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:32.740
 that I've actually

00:30:32.740 --> 00:30:33.760
 come in contact with.

00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:34.940
 She knows so much

00:30:34.940 --> 00:30:35.760
 about the individual

00:30:35.760 --> 00:30:36.700
 and,

00:30:36.820 --> 00:30:36.980
 you know,

00:30:37.080 --> 00:30:37.740
 cares about,

00:30:37.820 --> 00:30:38.020
 you know,

00:30:38.100 --> 00:30:38.900
 individual people

00:30:38.900 --> 00:30:39.380
 that that,

00:30:40.040 --> 00:30:40.360
 you know,

00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:40.740
 there's people

00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:41.740
 that are connected with her

00:30:41.740 --> 00:30:42.740
 and she's had a lot

00:30:42.740 --> 00:30:43.620
 of great leaders

00:30:43.620 --> 00:30:44.620
 on her team,

00:30:45.060 --> 00:30:45.240
 you know,

00:30:45.260 --> 00:30:46.100
 and so we've seen,

00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:46.320
 you know,

00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:47.980
 a little bit of transition

00:30:47.980 --> 00:30:48.360
 in that,

00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:49.660
 but we've also seen

00:30:49.660 --> 00:30:50.880
 a lot of people

00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:52.040
 begin to,

00:30:52.520 --> 00:30:52.900
 you know,

00:30:53.040 --> 00:30:54.100
 that we would have

00:30:54.100 --> 00:30:54.720
 never thought

00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.060
 that would even be leading

00:30:56.060 --> 00:30:58.400
 begin to like rise up

00:30:58.400 --> 00:30:59.540
 and start leading

00:30:59.540 --> 00:31:00.740
 in that way.

00:31:00.840 --> 00:31:01.980
 So it's been exciting,

00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:02.940
 you know,

00:31:03.020 --> 00:31:03.660
 in a journey,

00:31:03.740 --> 00:31:04.380
 in a process.

00:31:04.380 --> 00:31:05.660
 And so when I said

00:31:05.660 --> 00:31:07.480
 yes to all of your questions,

00:31:07.860 --> 00:31:08.220
 yes,

00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:09.260
 we're experiencing

00:31:09.260 --> 00:31:10.680
 all of those things.

00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:10.860
 Yeah,

00:31:10.860 --> 00:31:12.120
 I think the realization

00:31:12.120 --> 00:31:12.700
 that,

00:31:13.340 --> 00:31:14.040
 if you're going to lead

00:31:14.040 --> 00:31:14.420
 digitally,

00:31:14.580 --> 00:31:14.840
 you're going to have

00:31:14.840 --> 00:31:15.760
 a lot of leaders.

00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:16.400
 Yeah.

00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:17.200
 You have a lot of leaders

00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:17.820
 that bought in

00:31:17.820 --> 00:31:18.620
 to understanding

00:31:18.620 --> 00:31:20.980
 that 3.8 billion people

00:31:20.980 --> 00:31:21.800
 are going to go on

00:31:21.800 --> 00:31:22.460
 to social media

00:31:22.460 --> 00:31:22.960
 this month.

00:31:24.540 --> 00:31:26.060
 3.8 billion people

00:31:26.060 --> 00:31:28.200
 virtually are engaging.

00:31:29.040 --> 00:31:30.860
 1.6 to 1.8 billion

00:31:30.860 --> 00:31:31.300
 are engaging

00:31:31.300 --> 00:31:32.080
 just on Facebook

00:31:32.080 --> 00:31:33.020
 and they're not

00:31:33.020 --> 00:31:33.940
 all the 70-year-old

00:31:33.940 --> 00:31:34.860
 70-year-old grandmas.

00:31:35.080 --> 00:31:36.320
 We love our 70-year-old grandmas.

00:31:36.980 --> 00:31:37.060
 Yeah.

00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:37.740
 The fact is

00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:38.440
 that's not true.

00:31:38.660 --> 00:31:39.480
 They're millennials,

00:31:40.020 --> 00:31:40.680
 lots of millennials,

00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:41.960
 lots of 30s and 40s

00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:42.880
 that are engaged

00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:43.320
 on Facebook

00:31:43.320 --> 00:31:44.420
 on a monthly basis.

00:31:44.740 --> 00:31:45.860
 It's also realizing

00:31:45.860 --> 00:31:47.560
 that we don't want

00:31:47.560 --> 00:31:48.500
 to reach church people.

00:31:49.360 --> 00:31:49.760
 I don't want

00:31:49.760 --> 00:31:50.780
 to reach church people.

00:31:51.520 --> 00:31:52.140
 Church people

00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:52.680
 can go to church

00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:53.200
 somewhere else.

00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:53.680
 It's great.

00:31:54.780 --> 00:31:56.080
 We want to reach people

00:31:56.080 --> 00:31:56.760
 at Hope City Church

00:31:56.760 --> 00:31:57.700
 that don't know Jesus

00:31:57.700 --> 00:31:58.840
 or D. Church

00:31:58.840 --> 00:32:00.000
 or who have left

00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:00.380
 the church

00:32:00.380 --> 00:32:01.900
 for various reasons.

00:32:02.600 --> 00:32:03.040
 Primarily,

00:32:03.520 --> 00:32:04.540
 I think we can reach

00:32:04.540 --> 00:32:05.500
 people who can't

00:32:05.500 --> 00:32:06.180
 be reached.

00:32:07.020 --> 00:32:07.840
 There's some nations

00:32:07.840 --> 00:32:08.420
 that we're reaching

00:32:08.420 --> 00:32:09.100
 right now

00:32:09.100 --> 00:32:10.100
 that we're connected

00:32:10.100 --> 00:32:10.820
 with pastors

00:32:10.820 --> 00:32:12.520
 or just everyday people

00:32:12.520 --> 00:32:14.140
 that somehow find

00:32:14.140 --> 00:32:14.720
 us in countries

00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.080
 that they can't

00:32:16.080 --> 00:32:16.900
 have a church

00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:18.640
 but they have a phone.

00:32:19.460 --> 00:32:21.160
 And on that phone,

00:32:21.300 --> 00:32:22.160
 you can have the gospel

00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:23.060
 being preached to you.

00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:24.420
 So I think as pastors

00:32:24.420 --> 00:32:24.900
 and leaders,

00:32:25.040 --> 00:32:26.080
 we have to realize

00:32:26.080 --> 00:32:27.800
 that God holds

00:32:27.800 --> 00:32:28.720
 the whole song,

00:32:28.800 --> 00:32:29.380
 the whole world

00:32:29.380 --> 00:32:30.080
 in his hands.

00:32:30.320 --> 00:32:30.900
 The whole world

00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:31.960
 is in your hands now.

00:32:32.340 --> 00:32:33.520
 But I think in the end,

00:32:33.600 --> 00:32:34.400
 what we're worried about

00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:35.420
 is our vocation.

00:32:36.040 --> 00:32:36.580
 Now, I'm not saying

00:32:36.580 --> 00:32:37.440
 everybody has to be

00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:38.180
 bi-vocational

00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:39.320
 or co-vocational.

00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:40.420
 What I'm saying is

00:32:40.420 --> 00:32:41.760
 if you're fighting

00:32:41.760 --> 00:32:44.800
 against online ministry

00:32:44.800 --> 00:32:45.380
 because you're worried

00:32:45.380 --> 00:32:45.780
 about people

00:32:45.780 --> 00:32:47.240
 not coming to your church,

00:32:47.760 --> 00:32:48.620
 you need to really,

00:32:48.620 --> 00:32:49.760
 really rethink

00:32:49.760 --> 00:32:50.520
 what we're trying

00:32:50.520 --> 00:32:51.160
 to do here.

00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:52.440
 What we're trying

00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:53.920
 to do is reach

00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:55.300
 the billions of people

00:32:55.300 --> 00:32:57.280
 who are eternally lost.

00:32:57.700 --> 00:32:58.960
 If you die

00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.320
 and you don't know Jesus,

00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:01.480
 you go to hell

00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:02.140
 for eternity.

00:33:02.500 --> 00:33:03.640
 I hope as a church

00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:04.720
 we still believe that.

00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:05.320
 Yeah.

00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:07.380
 If we don't,

00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:08.160
 we better rethink

00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:08.660
 what we're doing.

00:33:09.420 --> 00:33:10.000
 You know,

00:33:10.020 --> 00:33:10.420
 it's funny.

00:33:10.600 --> 00:33:11.700
 We work with digital

00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:12.160
 through Stadia.

00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:13.100
 We work with digital

00:33:13.100 --> 00:33:14.380
 only planters a lot.

00:33:14.700 --> 00:33:16.120
 And probably last year,

00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:17.080
 and I told you guys

00:33:17.080 --> 00:33:17.480
 off air,

00:33:17.860 --> 00:33:19.120
 we probably talked to,

00:33:19.140 --> 00:33:19.500
 I don't know,

00:33:19.600 --> 00:33:21.400
 50, 75 digital,

00:33:21.540 --> 00:33:22.440
 people who are interested

00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:23.280
 in digital only and planners.

00:33:23.560 --> 00:33:24.240
 By far,

00:33:24.320 --> 00:33:25.240
 the majority of them

00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.380
 were co-vocational.

00:33:28.780 --> 00:33:29.860
 They were not one,

00:33:29.940 --> 00:33:30.360
 which is,

00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.260
 I think this is a new area

00:33:32.260 --> 00:33:33.080
 for Stadia.

00:33:33.220 --> 00:33:34.580
 At least it was a new exposure

00:33:34.580 --> 00:33:34.840
 to me.

00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:35.300
 The majority,

00:33:35.840 --> 00:33:36.060
 you know,

00:33:36.140 --> 00:33:36.260
 hey,

00:33:36.360 --> 00:33:37.520
 I want to make a living

00:33:37.520 --> 00:33:37.940
 off the church.

00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:39.280
 I want to give 100% of it.

00:33:39.700 --> 00:33:41.260
 There was a IT director

00:33:41.260 --> 00:33:43.040
 of a Fortune 500 company

00:33:43.040 --> 00:33:44.500
 who I talked with.

00:33:44.800 --> 00:33:45.920
 He lived in Canada.

00:33:46.700 --> 00:33:47.920
 And his direct quote to me is,

00:33:48.020 --> 00:33:48.220
 Jeff,

00:33:49.320 --> 00:33:50.580
 I'm making a ton of money

00:33:50.580 --> 00:33:51.020
 over here

00:33:51.020 --> 00:33:52.940
 with this Fortune 500 company

00:33:52.940 --> 00:33:53.840
 as their IT director.

00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:54.200
 I'm not,

00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:55.440
 I want to do ministry

00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.320
 on the side of that.

00:33:57.460 --> 00:33:57.980
 I'm not,

00:33:58.080 --> 00:33:59.240
 I'm not looking to

00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:00.580
 have a bunch of ties

00:34:00.580 --> 00:34:01.300
 become my paycheck,

00:34:01.300 --> 00:34:02.640
 but I don't want to stop that

00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:03.860
 from doing ministry

00:34:03.860 --> 00:34:05.680
 in a digital only expression

00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:06.160
 of church.

00:34:06.300 --> 00:34:06.720
 And so,

00:34:07.100 --> 00:34:08.560
 it's interesting to me

00:34:08.560 --> 00:34:09.320
 because I think

00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:10.080
 when you're talking

00:34:10.080 --> 00:34:10.880
 co-vocational,

00:34:11.380 --> 00:34:12.960
 it's a different mindset

00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:13.640
 than the majority.

00:34:13.780 --> 00:34:14.040
 Honestly,

00:34:14.120 --> 00:34:15.040
 the majority of our listeners

00:34:15.040 --> 00:34:17.300
 are probably used to

00:34:17.300 --> 00:34:18.140
 because it's not,

00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:18.460
 they're,

00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:19.560
 these are people

00:34:19.560 --> 00:34:20.620
 that are on staff

00:34:20.620 --> 00:34:22.860
 or are volunteers

00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:24.760
 that want to be on staff

00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:25.500
 and are volunteering

00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:27.100
 and serving to the place

00:34:27.100 --> 00:34:28.320
 hoping that they would

00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:28.960
 be hired.

00:34:29.100 --> 00:34:29.900
 And I was,

00:34:30.100 --> 00:34:30.220
 you know,

00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:31.260
 a couple decades ago,

00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:32.480
 I was one of those kids

00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:33.280
 who's like,

00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:33.460
 yeah,

00:34:33.520 --> 00:34:34.900
 let me learn and grow.

00:34:35.820 --> 00:34:36.520
 So like,

00:34:36.560 --> 00:34:37.380
 that's what I want to,

00:34:37.420 --> 00:34:38.300
 I would love to get

00:34:38.300 --> 00:34:39.160
 your perspective on

00:34:39.160 --> 00:34:40.040
 because you're,

00:34:40.140 --> 00:34:41.980
 you're intentionally,

00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:43.840
 very intentionally pivoting

00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:44.640
 away from that.

00:34:45.160 --> 00:34:45.960
 You could,

00:34:46.080 --> 00:34:46.320
 I mean,

00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:46.600
 look,

00:34:46.660 --> 00:34:47.240
 you just merged

00:34:47.240 --> 00:34:48.960
 with a 16,000 person

00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:49.640
 giga church.

00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:50.060
 I don't know

00:34:50.060 --> 00:34:50.960
 what your numbers are

00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:52.260
 and butts and seats

00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:53.160
 and nickels and noses

00:34:53.160 --> 00:34:54.620
 don't necessarily mean much,

00:34:54.620 --> 00:34:56.700
 but you could very easily be,

00:34:57.120 --> 00:34:57.180
 hey,

00:34:57.220 --> 00:34:59.060
 I'm going to play golf 17 time.

00:34:59.160 --> 00:34:59.900
 You could be that guy.

00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:01.560
 You're not that far away.

00:35:01.680 --> 00:35:03.200
 You're intentionally not.

00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:03.500
 We,

00:35:03.500 --> 00:35:03.680
 we,

00:35:03.680 --> 00:35:05.040
 we don't have to work.

00:35:05.420 --> 00:35:06.400
 We don't have to work

00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:07.040
 outside the church.

00:35:07.220 --> 00:35:07.440
 Yeah.

00:35:08.140 --> 00:35:09.000
 We choose to.

00:35:09.340 --> 00:35:10.140
 So talk to me

00:35:10.140 --> 00:35:10.900
 a little bit about that.

00:35:10.980 --> 00:35:11.540
 Pull that thread.

00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:12.940
 Explore with me here.

00:35:13.120 --> 00:35:13.440
 For me,

00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:15.060
 I've been co-vocational,

00:35:15.300 --> 00:35:15.600
 honestly,

00:35:15.780 --> 00:35:18.120
 the majority of our ministry life.

00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.700
 And it was by choice

00:35:20.700 --> 00:35:22.360
 in a lot of those times

00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:23.840
 because I actually liked

00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:26.120
 being around non-Christian people.

00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:28.760
 I wanted to be around everybody,

00:35:29.020 --> 00:35:29.660
 you know,

00:35:29.720 --> 00:35:30.900
 and be outside

00:35:30.900 --> 00:35:31.720
 and see things

00:35:31.720 --> 00:35:32.900
 from a different perspective.

00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:34.460
 And when we got,

00:35:34.560 --> 00:35:35.320
 when we got saved,

00:35:35.380 --> 00:35:36.720
 when Jesus changed our life,

00:35:36.860 --> 00:35:39.080
 I was willing to do anything

00:35:39.080 --> 00:35:41.040
 to fund whatever

00:35:41.040 --> 00:35:42.200
 God called me to do.

00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:43.420
 And so if that meant work

00:35:43.420 --> 00:35:44.680
 and that's really kind of

00:35:44.680 --> 00:35:45.400
 how I felt like

00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:45.660
 our,

00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:47.020
 our whole life has been

00:35:47.020 --> 00:35:49.100
 when we get paid

00:35:49.100 --> 00:35:50.200
 to just do ministry,

00:35:50.200 --> 00:35:50.860
 I mean,

00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:51.680
 I'm like a kid

00:35:51.680 --> 00:35:52.780
 in a candy store going,

00:35:53.120 --> 00:35:53.480
 ice cream,

00:35:53.600 --> 00:35:53.720
 man.

00:35:53.720 --> 00:35:53.960
 Really?

00:35:54.120 --> 00:35:55.020
 I'm going to get paid

00:35:55.020 --> 00:35:56.260
 to do what I love.

00:35:56.540 --> 00:35:57.180
 You know?

00:35:57.180 --> 00:35:58.300
 And so for us,

00:35:58.380 --> 00:35:58.820
 you know,

00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:00.060
 I think it's become

00:36:00.060 --> 00:36:01.460
 a whole different ball game,

00:36:01.520 --> 00:36:02.100
 but we grew up

00:36:02.100 --> 00:36:02.780
 in the inner city.

00:36:02.900 --> 00:36:03.180
 I mean,

00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:04.920
 and so we were around people

00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:05.260
 that,

00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:06.740
 and even pastors,

00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:07.420
 we know today,

00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:08.220
 a lot of like,

00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:10.340
 that in the urban core

00:36:10.340 --> 00:36:11.080
 of America

00:36:11.080 --> 00:36:12.980
 really are co-vocational pastors.

00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:14.760
 And so it wasn't like

00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:15.920
 for us,

00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:16.920
 it was when we got

00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:17.480
 into ministry,

00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:18.760
 it wasn't like a huge,

00:36:18.940 --> 00:36:19.080
 oh,

00:36:19.140 --> 00:36:19.740
 you don't,

00:36:19.820 --> 00:36:20.660
 you work outside

00:36:20.660 --> 00:36:21.300
 of the church too?

00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:21.560
 Oh,

00:36:21.660 --> 00:36:22.020
 me too.

00:36:22.100 --> 00:36:22.800
 This is great.

00:36:23.220 --> 00:36:23.380
 You know,

00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:24.080
 when we got into

00:36:24.080 --> 00:36:25.400
 more of suburban America

00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:26.820
 is where we begin to see,

00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:27.540
 oh,

00:36:27.660 --> 00:36:28.400
 people get paid

00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:29.240
 full time

00:36:29.240 --> 00:36:30.360
 to do this.

00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:31.220
 And that was more

00:36:31.220 --> 00:36:32.420
 of a mind shift

00:36:32.420 --> 00:36:33.380
 for us.

00:36:33.520 --> 00:36:34.460
 And then we got immersed

00:36:34.460 --> 00:36:35.100
 in that lifestyle.

00:36:35.340 --> 00:36:36.060
 And I think really,

00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:36.720
 you know,

00:36:36.740 --> 00:36:37.600
 the last few years

00:36:37.600 --> 00:36:38.860
 of church planting

00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:40.500
 and then digital ministry,

00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:41.420
 it's like,

00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:42.460
 we're still going to do

00:36:42.460 --> 00:36:43.680
 what we do regardless.

00:36:44.180 --> 00:36:45.280
 And so we're going

00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:45.920
 to do whatever

00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:46.940
 we need to do

00:36:46.940 --> 00:36:47.740
 to make sure

00:36:47.740 --> 00:36:48.820
 that we get to do

00:36:48.820 --> 00:36:49.660
 what we love to do.

00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:49.860
 Well,

00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:50.180
 I think,

00:36:50.300 --> 00:36:51.200
 I think it's also,

00:36:51.460 --> 00:36:52.120
 it's,

00:36:52.200 --> 00:36:53.180
 we have to just

00:36:53.180 --> 00:36:54.640
 deconstruct what it means.

00:36:54.640 --> 00:36:54.960
 It's like,

00:36:55.600 --> 00:36:56.080
 you know,

00:36:56.200 --> 00:36:57.980
 of course,

00:36:58.060 --> 00:36:59.080
 we can say,

00:36:59.180 --> 00:36:59.260
 oh,

00:36:59.300 --> 00:36:59.480
 you know,

00:36:59.520 --> 00:36:59.800
 Paul,

00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:00.560
 he was a tent maker.

00:37:00.740 --> 00:37:00.820
 Like,

00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:01.060
 yeah,

00:37:01.100 --> 00:37:01.860
 but he was a tent maker

00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:02.420
 occasionally.

00:37:03.040 --> 00:37:04.380
 We can't use that passage

00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:04.960
 of scripture to say

00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:05.780
 that's how Paul was getting

00:37:05.780 --> 00:37:07.240
 his money all the time.

00:37:07.600 --> 00:37:08.320
 He says very,

00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:09.920
 very clearly

00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:11.320
 why he was doing that.

00:37:11.720 --> 00:37:12.120
 He said,

00:37:12.200 --> 00:37:12.480
 I could,

00:37:12.540 --> 00:37:13.480
 I could receive,

00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.160
 but I've chosen not to

00:37:15.160 --> 00:37:16.420
 for a purpose.

00:37:16.420 --> 00:37:17.320
 So I continue,

00:37:17.600 --> 00:37:18.380
 it's very clear.

00:37:20.600 --> 00:37:21.500
 For us,

00:37:21.580 --> 00:37:22.240
 I think this,

00:37:22.660 --> 00:37:24.280
 if you have to be paid

00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:25.540
 to do ministry,

00:37:26.060 --> 00:37:27.800
 then maybe you're not called.

00:37:29.460 --> 00:37:30.800
 If you have to get paid,

00:37:31.240 --> 00:37:32.520
 I won't do this.

00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:34.140
 I would never do,

00:37:34.240 --> 00:37:35.260
 I've had people tell me

00:37:35.260 --> 00:37:35.860
 I would never do that

00:37:35.860 --> 00:37:36.420
 if I wasn't paid.

00:37:37.140 --> 00:37:37.700
 I had passed,

00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:38.480
 when we were meeting,

00:37:38.640 --> 00:37:39.220
 when we planted,

00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:40.200
 we were,

00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:41.340
 we were both co-vacational

00:37:41.340 --> 00:37:41.800
 when we planted.

00:37:42.380 --> 00:37:43.420
 I would not do that.

00:37:44.040 --> 00:37:45.040
 There's no way I'd do that

00:37:45.040 --> 00:37:45.700
 if I wasn't paid.

00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:46.540
 Hmm.

00:37:46.900 --> 00:37:48.060
 So are you called by God?

00:37:49.340 --> 00:37:49.820
 You know,

00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:50.180
 of course,

00:37:50.300 --> 00:37:50.940
 the pushback can be,

00:37:51.060 --> 00:37:51.080
 well,

00:37:51.120 --> 00:37:51.820
 if God will supply,

00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:52.100
 you know,

00:37:52.160 --> 00:37:52.600
 okay,

00:37:52.740 --> 00:37:52.860
 well,

00:37:53.140 --> 00:37:53.920
 maybe he will supply

00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:55.000
 you by working

00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:55.460
 at Starbucks.

00:37:55.540 --> 00:37:56.300
 You ever thought about that?

00:37:56.380 --> 00:37:56.620
 You know,

00:37:56.700 --> 00:37:56.980
 you know,

00:37:57.260 --> 00:37:58.420
 and I think it's,

00:37:58.420 --> 00:37:59.660
 it's understanding

00:37:59.660 --> 00:38:01.560
 for us.

00:38:02.580 --> 00:38:04.200
 It's why are we so,

00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.540
 why are we so freaked out

00:38:05.540 --> 00:38:06.060
 about that?

00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:07.220
 You know,

00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:08.860
 to be honest,

00:38:08.860 --> 00:38:09.720
 I had a pastor,

00:38:09.940 --> 00:38:11.160
 a good friend of mine

00:38:11.160 --> 00:38:12.440
 asked me this question.

00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:13.720
 I'm like about,

00:38:14.040 --> 00:38:14.920
 you know,

00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:15.200
 Jerry,

00:38:15.300 --> 00:38:15.700
 we want to,

00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:16.580
 we want to get you money.

00:38:16.740 --> 00:38:17.000
 You know,

00:38:17.200 --> 00:38:17.480
 I said,

00:38:17.500 --> 00:38:17.640
 look,

00:38:17.660 --> 00:38:18.400
 you dropped me

00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:19.640
 a hundred thousand dollar check.

00:38:19.700 --> 00:38:20.340
 I'm still going to work

00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:21.080
 outside the church

00:38:21.080 --> 00:38:22.760
 because I see

00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:23.380
 everything I do

00:38:23.380 --> 00:38:23.940
 outside the church

00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:24.900
 as a circle of influence

00:38:24.900 --> 00:38:26.140
 for the kingdom of God.

00:38:26.240 --> 00:38:27.100
 I'm a jiu-jitsu athlete.

00:38:27.500 --> 00:38:28.640
 So I have a jiu-jitsu team

00:38:28.640 --> 00:38:28.900
 that I,

00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:29.400
 that I,

00:38:29.500 --> 00:38:29.940
 that I,

00:38:30.040 --> 00:38:31.580
 that I train with.

00:38:31.740 --> 00:38:32.820
 That's my circle of influence.

00:38:33.580 --> 00:38:34.880
 I have a gaming world

00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:35.540
 that I'm on.

00:38:35.860 --> 00:38:36.780
 That's a circle of influence.

00:38:37.220 --> 00:38:37.480
 Now I,

00:38:37.600 --> 00:38:38.180
 now I'm starting

00:38:38.180 --> 00:38:38.780
 a trucking company

00:38:38.780 --> 00:38:39.320
 with my brother.

00:38:39.500 --> 00:38:40.520
 It's a circle of influence.

00:38:41.060 --> 00:38:42.580
 Ange has an accounting company.

00:38:42.660 --> 00:38:43.340
 It's a circle of influence.

00:38:43.460 --> 00:38:44.420
 He works for another company.

00:38:44.740 --> 00:38:45.560
 It's a circle of influence.

00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:46.700
 Everything that we do

00:38:46.700 --> 00:38:47.600
 is a circle of influence

00:38:47.600 --> 00:38:48.380
 for the gospel

00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:49.640
 to reach people

00:38:49.640 --> 00:38:50.080
 that you're not,

00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:51.420
 pastors end up sitting out

00:38:51.420 --> 00:38:52.080
 in their offices

00:38:52.080 --> 00:38:52.880
 hours and hours

00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:53.940
 and hours and hours a day,

00:38:54.060 --> 00:38:54.520
 you know,

00:38:54.600 --> 00:38:55.360
 praying and fasting

00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:55.920
 and reading the,

00:38:56.140 --> 00:38:56.980
 reading books in the Bible.

00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:58.160
 But then again,

00:38:58.160 --> 00:38:59.360
 I've been a lead pastor

00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:00.200
 for 15 years.

00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:01.320
 That's not what you're doing.

00:39:01.820 --> 00:39:02.180
 You know,

00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:03.140
 usually you're struggling

00:39:03.140 --> 00:39:04.020
 wondering why your church

00:39:04.020 --> 00:39:04.520
 isn't growing.

00:39:05.080 --> 00:39:06.080
 So you go to conference,

00:39:06.140 --> 00:39:06.480
 to conference,

00:39:06.560 --> 00:39:06.880
 to conference,

00:39:06.980 --> 00:39:07.300
 to conference,

00:39:07.380 --> 00:39:07.680
 to conference,

00:39:07.780 --> 00:39:08.160
 to conference.

00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:08.760
 And,

00:39:08.860 --> 00:39:10.080
 and I'm just being gut honest.

00:39:10.220 --> 00:39:10.820
 I know that's,

00:39:10.820 --> 00:39:11.560
 that's what's going on

00:39:11.560 --> 00:39:12.420
 because that's what I did.

00:39:12.620 --> 00:39:14.220
 And I have a lot of pastor friends

00:39:14.220 --> 00:39:14.780
 and I have some,

00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:16.040
 a lot of very big

00:39:16.040 --> 00:39:17.280
 mega church pastor friends.

00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.000
 And I know a lot of people

00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:20.140
 and that's what's going on.

00:39:20.220 --> 00:39:21.180
 We're trying to wonder

00:39:21.180 --> 00:39:22.400
 why the church isn't growing.

00:39:22.540 --> 00:39:22.880
 Jesus said,

00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:23.700
 I'll build my church.

00:39:24.160 --> 00:39:26.680
 So why are we doing this?

00:39:26.740 --> 00:39:27.860
 Why are we justifying

00:39:27.860 --> 00:39:28.520
 the money

00:39:28.520 --> 00:39:29.320
 and the buildings

00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:30.080
 and the prestige

00:39:30.080 --> 00:39:30.820
 and all that?

00:39:31.160 --> 00:39:31.740
 But we're not,

00:39:31.900 --> 00:39:33.320
 we're not making a dent.

00:39:33.620 --> 00:39:35.140
 We're not making a dent

00:39:35.140 --> 00:39:36.640
 in lost people in America.

00:39:36.900 --> 00:39:37.300
 Well,

00:39:37.380 --> 00:39:38.620
 and I just want to take on that.

00:39:38.680 --> 00:39:39.620
 I think too,

00:39:39.700 --> 00:39:40.420
 and part of the reason

00:39:40.420 --> 00:39:41.400
 and we talk about

00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:42.320
 continuing to stay

00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:43.040
 co-vocational

00:39:43.040 --> 00:39:44.640
 is because we have a team

00:39:44.640 --> 00:39:45.900
 that's co-vocational.

00:39:46.100 --> 00:39:46.700
 Every church

00:39:46.700 --> 00:39:48.200
 has a team

00:39:48.200 --> 00:39:49.960
 that is co-vocational.

00:39:50.200 --> 00:39:51.380
 They may not get paid

00:39:51.380 --> 00:39:52.040
 for the ministry

00:39:52.040 --> 00:39:52.880
 that they do,

00:39:53.040 --> 00:39:55.020
 but that is still a job

00:39:55.020 --> 00:39:56.320
 in which they choose

00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:57.860
 to take up

00:39:57.860 --> 00:39:58.340
 and,

00:39:58.380 --> 00:39:58.760
 you know,

00:39:59.100 --> 00:40:00.240
 sacrifice their time

00:40:00.240 --> 00:40:00.720
 and money

00:40:00.720 --> 00:40:01.340
 and all of those

00:40:01.340 --> 00:40:01.820
 kind of things.

00:40:01.820 --> 00:40:03.260
 And so we wanted to build

00:40:03.260 --> 00:40:04.320
 even going into,

00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:04.680
 I think,

00:40:04.780 --> 00:40:06.740
 more intentionally

00:40:06.740 --> 00:40:08.420
 going into planting

00:40:08.420 --> 00:40:08.940
 or,

00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:09.660
 you know,

00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:11.720
 relaunching Hope City Church.

00:40:12.680 --> 00:40:13.920
 Our team

00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:15.000
 and us,

00:40:15.100 --> 00:40:16.380
 we want to create something

00:40:16.380 --> 00:40:18.300
 that every person can do

00:40:18.300 --> 00:40:19.520
 and we,

00:40:19.680 --> 00:40:19.860
 you know,

00:40:20.180 --> 00:40:21.420
 I work a full-time job

00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:22.840
 and ministry full-time.

00:40:23.140 --> 00:40:24.980
 Our directional leadership team,

00:40:25.060 --> 00:40:26.180
 they work full-time jobs

00:40:26.180 --> 00:40:27.500
 and they minister full-time.

00:40:27.980 --> 00:40:28.180
 You know,

00:40:28.220 --> 00:40:29.460
 everybody that's doing stuff,

00:40:29.540 --> 00:40:30.700
 they work full-time jobs

00:40:30.700 --> 00:40:31.060
 and,

00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:31.680
 you know,

00:40:31.740 --> 00:40:32.800
 they're ministering

00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:33.680
 and I love when we were

00:40:33.680 --> 00:40:34.360
 at the city church,

00:40:34.500 --> 00:40:35.900
 there was Pastor Bob Weiner.

00:40:36.460 --> 00:40:37.040
 He came,

00:40:37.600 --> 00:40:38.740
 his daughter was

00:40:38.740 --> 00:40:40.200
 in my small group

00:40:40.200 --> 00:40:40.880
 for years

00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:42.020
 and he came

00:40:42.020 --> 00:40:42.340
 and he goes,

00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:43.620
 who's a full-time minister?

00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:44.560
 And he had everybody

00:40:44.560 --> 00:40:45.220
 raise their hand

00:40:45.220 --> 00:40:46.260
 and he had us doing it

00:40:46.260 --> 00:40:47.340
 several times.

00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:48.000
 That was crazy.

00:40:48.180 --> 00:40:49.080
 And it drove us crazy,

00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:50.680
 but I remember,

00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:52.100
 it doesn't matter

00:40:52.100 --> 00:40:52.920
 if I'm getting paid

00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:53.660
 for ministry,

00:40:53.660 --> 00:40:55.340
 when I'm called by God

00:40:55.340 --> 00:40:56.140
 as a disciple,

00:40:56.300 --> 00:40:57.540
 I'm a full-time minister.

00:40:58.180 --> 00:40:59.680
 And so that makes me

00:40:59.680 --> 00:41:00.880
 co-vocational

00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:02.260
 in everything that I do.

00:41:02.520 --> 00:41:03.720
 So don't be afraid of it.

00:41:03.820 --> 00:41:04.240
 I think this,

00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:04.880
 don't be afraid

00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:05.480
 of being a co-

00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:06.780
 don't let your goal

00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:07.960
 being paid by the church

00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:08.600
 because most likely

00:41:08.600 --> 00:41:09.280
 you're not going to be.

00:41:09.740 --> 00:41:11.960
 So it's a few

00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:12.840
 or far between,

00:41:13.040 --> 00:41:13.440
 you know,

00:41:13.500 --> 00:41:14.120
 depending on how big

00:41:14.120 --> 00:41:14.580
 your church is,

00:41:14.620 --> 00:41:14.880
 I guess.

00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:16.340
 Don't be afraid

00:41:16.340 --> 00:41:18.820
 or don't think that

00:41:18.820 --> 00:41:19.660
 if you're paid

00:41:19.660 --> 00:41:20.440
 by the church,

00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:21.620
 God has given you

00:41:21.620 --> 00:41:22.500
 a certain blessing

00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:23.100
 or there's something,

00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:25.180
 something has happened

00:41:25.180 --> 00:41:25.820
 supernaturally

00:41:25.820 --> 00:41:26.160
 or something.

00:41:26.500 --> 00:41:27.640
 I'm trying to get it across

00:41:27.640 --> 00:41:27.960
 in a way

00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:28.920
 that we can understand it.

00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:29.900
 How about this?

00:41:30.740 --> 00:41:31.140
 Embrace.

00:41:32.040 --> 00:41:33.080
 Can I be honest with you?

00:41:33.080 --> 00:41:33.580
 Whatever season.

00:41:33.860 --> 00:41:35.140
 You want multiple streams

00:41:35.140 --> 00:41:36.280
 of income anyways.

00:41:36.380 --> 00:41:36.600
 Yeah.

00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:37.380
 You know,

00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:38.320
 let me tell you right now.

00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:39.540
 If COVID taught us anything.

00:41:39.740 --> 00:41:41.420
 If COVID taught you anything,

00:41:42.180 --> 00:41:42.440
 work,

00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:43.260
 you want,

00:41:43.340 --> 00:41:43.720
 you don't want

00:41:43.720 --> 00:41:44.900
 just one stream of income

00:41:44.900 --> 00:41:45.680
 coming into your,

00:41:45.860 --> 00:41:46.360
 you know,

00:41:46.660 --> 00:41:46.960
 you know,

00:41:47.040 --> 00:41:47.500
 my gosh,

00:41:47.580 --> 00:41:48.320
 Dave Ramsey

00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:49.220
 and all these guys

00:41:49.220 --> 00:41:49.920
 have been telling us,

00:41:50.140 --> 00:41:50.380
 you know.

00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:50.780
 For years.

00:41:51.180 --> 00:41:52.000
 For years.

00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:52.540
 Don't,

00:41:52.620 --> 00:41:52.820
 you know,

00:41:52.820 --> 00:41:53.580
 have multiple streams

00:41:53.580 --> 00:41:54.060
 of income.

00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:55.460
 I'm thinking about that,

00:41:55.540 --> 00:41:56.200
 that one guy that,

00:41:56.300 --> 00:41:57.040
 I forget his name.

00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:57.580
 Anyways,

00:41:57.720 --> 00:41:59.120
 you don't want

00:41:59.120 --> 00:42:00.160
 just to have one stream

00:42:00.160 --> 00:42:00.700
 of income.

00:42:01.020 --> 00:42:02.000
 We understand this.

00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:03.300
 So don't let all your,

00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:03.780
 pastor,

00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:04.140
 listen,

00:42:04.420 --> 00:42:05.560
 don't let all your eggs

00:42:05.560 --> 00:42:06.300
 be in the basket

00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:07.120
 on tithing

00:42:07.120 --> 00:42:08.480
 because if all your eggs

00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:09.080
 are in the basket

00:42:09.080 --> 00:42:09.760
 on tithing,

00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:10.820
 you're going to say

00:42:10.820 --> 00:42:11.520
 certain things

00:42:11.520 --> 00:42:12.900
 and not say certain things

00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:13.640
 and you're going to meet

00:42:13.640 --> 00:42:14.360
 with certain people

00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:15.020
 and not meet with

00:42:15.020 --> 00:42:15.900
 other certain people

00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:16.780
 and all of a sudden

00:42:16.780 --> 00:42:17.720
 you become a,

00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:18.240
 a,

00:42:18.240 --> 00:42:18.760
 just a,

00:42:19.020 --> 00:42:19.680
 I don't know,

00:42:19.740 --> 00:42:20.460
 a politician.

00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:21.320
 We don't need

00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:22.160
 more politicians.

00:42:22.160 --> 00:42:23.340
 We need less politicians.

00:42:23.660 --> 00:42:24.880
 We love our politicians.

00:42:25.120 --> 00:42:26.280
 We don't need politicians

00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:26.860
 in the pulpit.

00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:27.620
 We need pastors

00:42:27.620 --> 00:42:28.180
 and shepherds

00:42:28.180 --> 00:42:28.580
 and leaders.

00:42:28.780 --> 00:42:29.960
 We don't need politicians

00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:30.520
 in the pulpit.

00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:31.440
 So don't,

00:42:31.520 --> 00:42:33.260
 don't let money

00:42:33.260 --> 00:42:35.440
 be your driving force

00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:36.100
 and the thing,

00:42:36.260 --> 00:42:36.420
 I mean,

00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:37.500
 we all want to get paid

00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:38.480
 and don't buy into

00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:39.240
 the thing like,

00:42:39.660 --> 00:42:40.000
 you know,

00:42:40.200 --> 00:42:40.480
 well,

00:42:40.560 --> 00:42:40.840
 you know,

00:42:40.940 --> 00:42:41.060
 if,

00:42:41.180 --> 00:42:41.320
 you know,

00:42:41.380 --> 00:42:42.140
 those that were due,

00:42:42.380 --> 00:42:43.040
 labor in the gospel

00:42:43.040 --> 00:42:43.580
 should be paid

00:42:43.580 --> 00:42:44.180
 by the gospel.

00:42:44.580 --> 00:42:45.460
 We got that.

00:42:45.600 --> 00:42:46.720
 We all know the scriptures.

00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:47.780
 It's wonderful.

00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:48.500
 It's beautiful.

00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:49.660
 Let's look at

00:42:49.660 --> 00:42:50.320
 what's happening

00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:51.320
 in society right now

00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:52.100
 and realize

00:42:52.100 --> 00:42:54.100
 somebody just text me.

00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:55.440
 I actually put

00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:55.920
 on my Facebook.

00:42:56.560 --> 00:42:57.160
 You can go

00:42:57.160 --> 00:42:57.660
 to my Facebook

00:42:57.660 --> 00:42:58.180
 right now

00:42:58.180 --> 00:43:00.280
 and I have one picture

00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:01.120
 that I just did.

00:43:01.200 --> 00:43:02.860
 It's like 370 likes.

00:43:03.740 --> 00:43:04.760
 It's me standing out

00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:05.660
 my big semi

00:43:05.660 --> 00:43:06.800
 with my thumb up

00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:07.740
 talking about

00:43:07.740 --> 00:43:08.820
 co-vocational pastor.

00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:09.200
 Basically,

00:43:09.540 --> 00:43:10.640
 the future of lead pastors

00:43:10.640 --> 00:43:11.200
 is going to be seeing

00:43:11.200 --> 00:43:11.800
 more of us going

00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:12.380
 by vocational.

00:43:12.980 --> 00:43:13.800
 I had a friend

00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:14.060
 of mine

00:43:14.060 --> 00:43:14.820
 make a comment

00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:15.180
 on there.

00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:16.740
 Somebody should

00:43:16.740 --> 00:43:17.000
 go in there

00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:17.660
 and read that comment.

00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:19.220
 I think

00:43:19.220 --> 00:43:20.140
 the church,

00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:21.400
 the church,

00:43:21.940 --> 00:43:22.780
 skip the world.

00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:23.080
 We're trying

00:43:23.080 --> 00:43:23.640
 to reach the world.

00:43:24.180 --> 00:43:25.060
 I think church

00:43:25.060 --> 00:43:25.620
 people

00:43:25.620 --> 00:43:26.760
 who love

00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:27.220
 Jesus

00:43:27.220 --> 00:43:27.860
 and love

00:43:27.860 --> 00:43:28.600
 the church

00:43:28.600 --> 00:43:29.900
 who are starting

00:43:29.900 --> 00:43:30.660
 to figure out,

00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:31.180
 my dude,

00:43:31.300 --> 00:43:32.220
 I work 60 hours.

00:43:32.500 --> 00:43:33.240
 I put in

00:43:33.240 --> 00:43:34.320
 63 hours

00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:34.660
 just

00:43:34.660 --> 00:43:35.660
 this last

00:43:35.660 --> 00:43:36.180
 five days

00:43:36.180 --> 00:43:37.640
 in my job

00:43:37.640 --> 00:43:38.920
 not counting

00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:39.920
 another 20 hours

00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:40.780
 pastoring.

00:43:41.540 --> 00:43:42.440
 My wife,

00:43:42.540 --> 00:43:43.140
 60 hours

00:43:43.140 --> 00:43:43.940
 just this week

00:43:43.940 --> 00:43:44.700
 in her job

00:43:44.700 --> 00:43:45.480
 not counting

00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:46.340
 probably more hours

00:43:46.340 --> 00:43:47.120
 in that pastoring.

00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:48.560
 My friends,

00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:51.080
 your volunteer

00:43:51.080 --> 00:43:51.760
 that's standing

00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:52.640
 at the door

00:43:52.640 --> 00:43:54.400
 high-fiving people

00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:55.240
 that's coming

00:43:55.240 --> 00:43:55.940
 into your church

00:43:55.940 --> 00:43:56.840
 work 60 hours

00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:57.300
 this week

00:43:57.300 --> 00:43:58.760
 and you want

00:43:58.760 --> 00:43:59.500
 them volunteering.

00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:00.340
 The person

00:44:00.340 --> 00:44:00.980
 that's serving

00:44:00.980 --> 00:44:01.480
 the coffee

00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:02.140
 at your church

00:44:02.140 --> 00:44:03.300
 work 60 hours

00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:03.620
 this week

00:44:03.620 --> 00:44:04.240
 most likely.

00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:05.020
 The person

00:44:05.020 --> 00:44:05.700
 that's leading

00:44:05.700 --> 00:44:06.120
 worship

00:44:06.120 --> 00:44:06.840
 that's not

00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:07.180
 paid

00:44:07.180 --> 00:44:07.640
 playing the

00:44:07.640 --> 00:44:07.940
 guitar

00:44:07.940 --> 00:44:08.200
 that you

00:44:08.200 --> 00:44:08.560
 don't see

00:44:08.560 --> 00:44:09.200
 behind you

00:44:09.200 --> 00:44:10.020
 probably work

00:44:10.020 --> 00:44:10.680
 40 to 60

00:44:10.680 --> 00:44:11.460
 hours this week

00:44:11.460 --> 00:44:12.280
 and you want

00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:12.720
 them there

00:44:12.720 --> 00:44:13.040
 and if they're

00:44:13.040 --> 00:44:13.440
 not there

00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:14.040
 you get upset

00:44:14.040 --> 00:44:14.480
 because they're

00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:14.960
 not there

00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:15.620
 and we need

00:44:15.620 --> 00:44:16.420
 a guitar player

00:44:16.420 --> 00:44:17.420
 but dude,

00:44:17.540 --> 00:44:18.040
 wake up.

00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:19.740
 The fact is

00:44:19.740 --> 00:44:21.440
 join your

00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:22.040
 people.

00:44:23.100 --> 00:44:23.620
 Join your

00:44:23.620 --> 00:44:24.160
 community.

00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:25.300
 Join people

00:44:25.300 --> 00:44:25.820
 in ministering

00:44:25.820 --> 00:44:26.260
 to people.

00:44:26.600 --> 00:44:27.020
 You'll see

00:44:27.020 --> 00:44:27.580
 an explosion

00:44:27.580 --> 00:44:28.080
 of life

00:44:28.080 --> 00:44:28.720
 in your church.

00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:29.500
 Beautiful.

00:44:30.240 --> 00:44:31.080
 It's a hard

00:44:31.080 --> 00:44:31.900
 mindset

00:44:31.900 --> 00:44:33.060
 because it's

00:44:33.060 --> 00:44:34.000
 been so long

00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.600
 it's been

00:44:35.600 --> 00:44:36.220
 so long

00:44:36.220 --> 00:44:36.660
 in that

00:44:36.660 --> 00:44:37.340
 other way

00:44:37.340 --> 00:44:37.780
 and trying

00:44:37.780 --> 00:44:38.260
 to pivot

00:44:38.260 --> 00:44:38.940
 towards it

00:44:38.940 --> 00:44:40.280
 but the

00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:41.120
 reality is

00:44:41.120 --> 00:44:41.720
 and this

00:44:41.720 --> 00:44:41.980
 is

00:44:41.980 --> 00:44:43.220
 I don't

00:44:43.220 --> 00:44:43.760
 get prophetic

00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:44.200
 here

00:44:44.200 --> 00:44:44.600
 and I'm

00:44:44.600 --> 00:44:44.940
 not the

00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:45.300
 doomsday

00:44:45.300 --> 00:44:45.620
 guy

00:44:45.620 --> 00:44:46.940
 but I

00:44:46.940 --> 00:44:48.000
 I think

00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:48.280
 there's

00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:48.560
 going to

00:44:48.560 --> 00:44:49.000
 be a

00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:49.340
 season

00:44:49.340 --> 00:44:49.800
 coming

00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:50.280
 where

00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:51.060
 some

00:44:51.060 --> 00:44:51.240
 of

00:44:51.240 --> 00:44:51.400
 the

00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:51.800
 luxuries

00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:52.180
 I think

00:44:52.180 --> 00:44:52.560
 that we

00:44:52.560 --> 00:44:53.080
 the church

00:44:53.080 --> 00:44:53.700
 we pastors

00:44:53.700 --> 00:44:54.800
 are used

00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:55.180
 to and even

00:44:55.180 --> 00:44:55.560
 the church

00:44:55.560 --> 00:44:55.800
 as an

00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:56.360
 organization

00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:57.480
 I think

00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:57.780
 that's going

00:44:57.780 --> 00:44:58.020
 to come

00:44:58.020 --> 00:44:58.320
 to an

00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:58.560
 end

00:44:58.560 --> 00:44:59.040
 and the

00:44:59.040 --> 00:44:59.360
 idea

00:44:59.360 --> 00:44:59.560
 we're

00:44:59.560 --> 00:44:59.760
 actually

00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:01.040
 I think

00:45:01.040 --> 00:45:01.360
 it's come

00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:01.600
 to an

00:45:01.600 --> 00:45:01.780
 end

00:45:01.780 --> 00:45:02.640
 I agree

00:45:02.640 --> 00:45:02.860
 with you

00:45:02.860 --> 00:45:04.300
 it's done

00:45:04.300 --> 00:45:04.820
 it's come

00:45:04.820 --> 00:45:05.040
 to an

00:45:05.040 --> 00:45:05.200
 end

00:45:05.200 --> 00:45:05.760
 well I

00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:06.320
 feel like

00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:07.520
 over the

00:45:07.520 --> 00:45:08.140
 last three

00:45:08.140 --> 00:45:08.480
 years

00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:09.000
 when people

00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:09.740
 find out

00:45:09.740 --> 00:45:10.680
 that we

00:45:10.680 --> 00:45:11.500
 work outside

00:45:11.500 --> 00:45:11.860
 of the

00:45:11.860 --> 00:45:12.260
 church

00:45:12.260 --> 00:45:13.360
 it gives

00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:13.960
 us a

00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:14.260
 greater

00:45:14.260 --> 00:45:15.060
 open door

00:45:15.060 --> 00:45:15.380
 and they

00:45:15.380 --> 00:45:16.220
 actually hear

00:45:16.220 --> 00:45:16.560
 us

00:45:16.560 --> 00:45:17.560
 faster

00:45:17.560 --> 00:45:19.140
 than

00:45:19.140 --> 00:45:19.720
 far more

00:45:19.720 --> 00:45:20.200
 credibility

00:45:20.200 --> 00:45:20.900
 and then

00:45:20.900 --> 00:45:21.320
 they go

00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:21.800
 okay I

00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:22.180
 can give

00:45:22.180 --> 00:45:22.480
 money

00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:23.040
 and honestly

00:45:23.040 --> 00:45:23.360
 I've had

00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:23.880
 people say

00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:24.480
 I can give

00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:24.840
 money to

00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:25.300
 the church

00:45:25.300 --> 00:45:26.120
 knowing that

00:45:26.120 --> 00:45:26.840
 you know

00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:27.240
 maybe you're

00:45:27.240 --> 00:45:27.800
 not using

00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:28.080
 it for

00:45:28.080 --> 00:45:28.400
 and maybe

00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:28.840
 they thought

00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:29.380
 about or

00:45:29.380 --> 00:45:29.840
 there are

00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:30.180
 things that

00:45:30.180 --> 00:45:30.600
 they heard

00:45:30.600 --> 00:45:31.040
 in the

00:45:31.040 --> 00:45:32.380
 news about

00:45:32.380 --> 00:45:32.760
 everything

00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:33.020
 that's

00:45:33.020 --> 00:45:33.280
 happened

00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:33.720
 the past

00:45:33.720 --> 00:45:34.000
 couple

00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:34.600
 of years

00:45:34.600 --> 00:45:35.360
 and they

00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:35.980
 feel more

00:45:35.980 --> 00:45:36.600
 safe and

00:45:36.600 --> 00:45:37.040
 secure

00:45:37.040 --> 00:45:37.980
 because

00:45:37.980 --> 00:45:39.600
 you know

00:45:39.600 --> 00:45:40.600
 we're not

00:45:40.600 --> 00:45:41.220
 just vested

00:45:41.220 --> 00:45:42.160
 in your money

00:45:42.160 --> 00:45:42.680
 or bringing

00:45:42.680 --> 00:45:42.980
 you there

00:45:42.980 --> 00:45:43.440
 because of

00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:43.580
 that

00:45:43.580 --> 00:45:44.100
 and honestly

00:45:44.100 --> 00:45:44.760
 that's a lot

00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:46.060
 of hesitation

00:45:46.060 --> 00:45:46.580
 for a lot

00:45:46.580 --> 00:45:46.980
 of people

00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:47.760
 what has

00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:48.180
 happened

00:45:48.180 --> 00:45:48.900
 at least

00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:49.480
 you know

00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:49.880
 in the

00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:50.380
 circles that

00:45:50.380 --> 00:45:50.900
 we have

00:45:50.900 --> 00:45:51.940
 run in

00:45:51.940 --> 00:45:52.320
 what has

00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:52.640
 happened

00:45:52.640 --> 00:45:53.480
 is there's

00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:54.180
 an entitlement

00:45:54.180 --> 00:45:55.340
 that's a great

00:45:55.340 --> 00:45:55.660
 way to say

00:45:55.660 --> 00:45:57.660
 there's an

00:45:57.660 --> 00:45:58.420
 entitlement

00:45:58.420 --> 00:45:59.520
 to you know

00:45:59.520 --> 00:46:00.160
 a certain

00:46:00.160 --> 00:46:00.820
 position

00:46:00.820 --> 00:46:03.680
 and if

00:46:03.680 --> 00:46:04.040
 we don't

00:46:04.040 --> 00:46:04.960
 receive that

00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:05.640
 or if we

00:46:05.640 --> 00:46:06.060
 don't get

00:46:06.060 --> 00:46:06.320
 that

00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:06.680
 if we

00:46:06.680 --> 00:46:07.000
 you know

00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:07.600
 can't go

00:46:07.600 --> 00:46:07.880
 on the

00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:08.440
 vacations

00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:08.960
 or have

00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:09.580
 these things

00:46:09.580 --> 00:46:09.860
 then

00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:11.200
 then we've

00:46:11.200 --> 00:46:11.740
 done something

00:46:11.740 --> 00:46:12.120
 wrong

00:46:12.120 --> 00:46:12.620
 but we

00:46:12.620 --> 00:46:13.260
 deserve

00:46:13.260 --> 00:46:14.040
 and we're

00:46:14.040 --> 00:46:14.440
 entitled

00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:14.940
 to have

00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:15.160
 that

00:46:15.160 --> 00:46:15.640
 well let

00:46:15.640 --> 00:46:16.060
 me ask

00:46:16.060 --> 00:46:16.440
 this

00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:17.720
 and forgive

00:46:17.720 --> 00:46:18.200
 the I'm

00:46:18.200 --> 00:46:18.580
 not looking

00:46:18.580 --> 00:46:19.200
 for like

00:46:19.200 --> 00:46:19.940
 gotcha

00:46:19.940 --> 00:46:20.360
 journalism

00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:20.740
 or anything

00:46:20.740 --> 00:46:21.020
 here

00:46:21.020 --> 00:46:21.300
 but

00:46:21.300 --> 00:46:21.980
 so

00:46:21.980 --> 00:46:22.980
 you're

00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:23.400
 both

00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:24.120
 you know

00:46:24.120 --> 00:46:25.060
 bivocational

00:46:25.060 --> 00:46:25.860
 co-vocational

00:46:25.860 --> 00:46:27.060
 you

00:46:27.060 --> 00:46:27.660
 your

00:46:27.660 --> 00:46:28.200
 church

00:46:28.200 --> 00:46:28.640
 platform

00:46:28.640 --> 00:46:29.320
 is now

00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:29.720
 Facebook

00:46:29.720 --> 00:46:30.220
 which is

00:46:30.220 --> 00:46:30.540
 free

00:46:30.540 --> 00:46:30.840
 there's

00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:31.120
 probably

00:46:31.120 --> 00:46:31.560
 some

00:46:31.560 --> 00:46:32.300
 you know

00:46:32.300 --> 00:46:32.700
 studio

00:46:32.700 --> 00:46:33.320
 set up

00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:34.120
 or some

00:46:34.120 --> 00:46:34.480
 startup

00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:34.820
 cost

00:46:34.820 --> 00:46:35.180
 probably

00:46:35.180 --> 00:46:35.980
 in that

00:46:35.980 --> 00:46:36.640
 but you're

00:46:36.640 --> 00:46:36.960
 not paying

00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:37.300
 for a

00:46:37.300 --> 00:46:37.640
 building

00:46:37.640 --> 00:46:38.780
 it sounds

00:46:38.780 --> 00:46:39.080
 like

00:46:39.080 --> 00:46:39.320
 you know

00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:39.780
 you don't

00:46:39.780 --> 00:46:40.100
 have a

00:46:40.100 --> 00:46:40.520
 large

00:46:40.520 --> 00:46:40.960
 staff

00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:41.180
 you know

00:46:41.180 --> 00:46:41.440
 would love

00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:41.700
 to even

00:46:41.700 --> 00:46:41.900
 know

00:46:41.900 --> 00:46:42.340
 what that

00:46:42.340 --> 00:46:42.560
 looks

00:46:42.560 --> 00:46:42.840
 like

00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:43.080
 what

00:46:43.080 --> 00:46:43.360
 what

00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:43.960
 but

00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:44.480
 what do

00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:44.640
 you do

00:46:44.640 --> 00:46:44.840
 with the

00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:44.980
 money

00:46:44.980 --> 00:46:45.140
 that

00:46:45.140 --> 00:46:45.360
 comes

00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:45.580
 in

00:46:45.580 --> 00:46:45.800
 like

00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:45.940
 is

00:46:45.940 --> 00:46:46.040
 a

00:46:46.040 --> 00:46:46.300
 very

00:46:46.300 --> 00:46:46.720
 outward

00:46:46.720 --> 00:46:47.080
 facing

00:46:47.080 --> 00:46:47.380
 towards

00:46:47.380 --> 00:46:47.780
 missions

00:46:50.740 --> 00:46:52.160
 what

00:46:52.160 --> 00:46:52.260
 does

00:46:52.260 --> 00:46:52.400
 that

00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:52.600
 look

00:46:52.600 --> 00:46:52.820
 like

00:46:52.820 --> 00:46:52.980
 for

00:46:52.980 --> 00:46:53.320
 you

00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:53.920
 as

00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:54.240
 a

00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:54.520
 church

00:46:54.520 --> 00:46:55.000
 yeah

00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:55.380
 that's

00:46:55.380 --> 00:46:55.520
 a great

00:46:55.520 --> 00:46:55.820
 question

00:46:55.820 --> 00:46:57.700
 you know

00:46:57.700 --> 00:46:58.220
 we

00:46:58.220 --> 00:46:58.880
 actually

00:46:58.880 --> 00:46:59.920
 we have

00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:00.400
 a small

00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:00.840
 salary

00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:01.380
 from the

00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:01.680
 church

00:47:01.680 --> 00:47:02.180
 the rest

00:47:02.180 --> 00:47:02.440
 of our

00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:02.780
 team

00:47:02.780 --> 00:47:03.360
 are all

00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:03.900
 volunteers

00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:05.020
 we've

00:47:05.020 --> 00:47:05.340
 had to

00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:05.580
 pivot

00:47:05.580 --> 00:47:06.000
 and do

00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:06.320
 you know

00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:06.580
 we've

00:47:06.580 --> 00:47:06.940
 actually

00:47:06.940 --> 00:47:07.300
 bought

00:47:07.300 --> 00:47:07.780
 cameras

00:47:07.780 --> 00:47:08.200
 and stuff

00:47:08.200 --> 00:47:08.760
 like that

00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:09.400
 we didn't

00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:09.700
 have

00:47:09.700 --> 00:47:10.120
 actually

00:47:10.120 --> 00:47:10.660
 a ton

00:47:10.660 --> 00:47:10.960
 of money

00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:11.280
 coming

00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:11.540
 in

00:47:11.540 --> 00:47:11.840
 even

00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:12.200
 when we

00:47:12.200 --> 00:47:12.320
 were

00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:12.440
 an

00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:12.900
 in-person

00:47:12.900 --> 00:47:13.200
 church

00:47:13.200 --> 00:47:14.200
 you know

00:47:14.200 --> 00:47:14.620
 so

00:47:14.620 --> 00:47:15.120
 I mean

00:47:15.120 --> 00:47:15.800
 other than

00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:16.160
 your

00:47:16.160 --> 00:47:16.600
 you know

00:47:16.600 --> 00:47:16.980
 your

00:47:16.980 --> 00:47:17.780
 insurances

00:47:17.780 --> 00:47:18.560
 and things

00:47:18.560 --> 00:47:18.820
 that you

00:47:18.820 --> 00:47:19.160
 have to

00:47:19.160 --> 00:47:19.340
 have

00:47:19.340 --> 00:47:19.600
 as a

00:47:19.600 --> 00:47:19.880
 church

00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:20.100
 and

00:47:20.100 --> 00:47:20.840
 equipment

00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:21.580
 and you

00:47:21.580 --> 00:47:21.740
 know

00:47:21.740 --> 00:47:22.040
 just

00:47:22.040 --> 00:47:22.360
 different

00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:22.700
 things

00:47:22.700 --> 00:47:23.020
 that you

00:47:23.020 --> 00:47:23.260
 need

00:47:23.260 --> 00:47:23.560
 to do

00:47:23.560 --> 00:47:23.840
 live

00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:24.180
 streaming

00:47:24.180 --> 00:47:24.400
 and

00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:24.700
 whatnot

00:47:24.700 --> 00:47:25.920
 we

00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:26.500
 and we

00:47:26.500 --> 00:47:26.840
 give

00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:27.180
 to

00:47:27.180 --> 00:47:27.640
 missions

00:47:27.640 --> 00:47:27.880
 we

00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:28.100
 are

00:47:28.100 --> 00:47:28.580
 supporting

00:47:28.580 --> 00:47:29.260
 we've

00:47:29.260 --> 00:47:29.760
 helped

00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:30.020
 other

00:47:30.020 --> 00:47:30.400
 churches

00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:31.340
 plant

00:47:31.340 --> 00:47:31.940
 we've

00:47:31.940 --> 00:47:32.200
 you know

00:47:32.200 --> 00:47:32.640
 donated

00:47:32.640 --> 00:47:32.940
 and so

00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:33.140
 a lot

00:47:33.140 --> 00:47:33.380
 of our

00:47:33.380 --> 00:47:33.620
 stuff

00:47:33.620 --> 00:47:33.900
 is

00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:34.400
 you know

00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:35.420
 outward

00:47:35.420 --> 00:47:35.920
 facing

00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:36.660
 and

00:47:36.660 --> 00:47:37.140
 we

00:47:37.140 --> 00:47:37.520
 have a

00:47:37.520 --> 00:47:37.720
 small

00:47:37.720 --> 00:47:38.040
 salary

00:47:38.040 --> 00:47:38.340
 from the

00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:38.520
 church

00:47:38.520 --> 00:47:38.780
 because

00:47:38.780 --> 00:47:38.980
 our

00:47:38.980 --> 00:47:39.180
 team

00:47:39.180 --> 00:47:39.580
 told us

00:47:39.580 --> 00:47:39.700
 we

00:47:39.700 --> 00:47:39.860
 have

00:47:39.860 --> 00:47:39.960
 to

00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:40.120
 have

00:47:40.120 --> 00:47:40.280
 it

00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:40.600
 yeah

00:47:40.600 --> 00:47:41.520
 and so

00:47:41.520 --> 00:47:41.620
 did

00:47:41.620 --> 00:47:41.760
 our

00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:42.180
 conference

00:47:42.180 --> 00:47:42.460
 yeah

00:47:42.460 --> 00:47:42.760
 and our

00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:43.040
 conference

00:47:43.040 --> 00:47:44.500
 and so

00:47:44.500 --> 00:47:45.440
 and it's

00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:45.680
 small

00:47:45.680 --> 00:47:46.540
 to the

00:47:46.540 --> 00:47:47.020
 amount

00:47:47.020 --> 00:47:48.260
 of what

00:47:48.260 --> 00:47:48.740
 the work

00:47:48.740 --> 00:47:49.140
 that's being

00:47:49.140 --> 00:47:49.460
 produced

00:47:49.460 --> 00:47:50.000
 right now

00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:51.980
 it's

00:47:51.980 --> 00:47:52.480
 minuscule

00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:53.000
 to it

00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:53.320
 yeah

00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:54.040
 yeah

00:47:54.040 --> 00:47:55.060
 but that's

00:47:55.060 --> 00:47:55.260
 a great

00:47:55.260 --> 00:47:55.560
 question

00:47:55.560 --> 00:47:55.860
 I think

00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:56.260
 that's

00:47:56.260 --> 00:47:57.000
 and that's

00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:57.180
 been a

00:47:57.180 --> 00:47:57.320
 question

00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:57.860
 so if

00:47:57.860 --> 00:47:58.020
 money

00:47:58.020 --> 00:47:58.400
 comes in

00:47:58.400 --> 00:47:58.720
 where

00:47:58.720 --> 00:47:59.360
 does it

00:47:59.360 --> 00:47:59.660
 go

00:47:59.660 --> 00:48:00.340
 I think

00:48:00.340 --> 00:48:00.820
 money

00:48:00.820 --> 00:48:01.340
 coming in

00:48:01.340 --> 00:48:02.000
 I'm not

00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:02.180
 saying

00:48:02.180 --> 00:48:02.520
 pastors

00:48:02.520 --> 00:48:02.820
 shouldn't

00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:03.200
 be paid

00:48:03.200 --> 00:48:03.420
 they

00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:03.920
 ought

00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:04.120
 to be

00:48:04.120 --> 00:48:04.260
 paid

00:48:04.260 --> 00:48:04.640
 biblically

00:48:04.640 --> 00:48:05.720
 but it

00:48:05.720 --> 00:48:06.160
 should be

00:48:06.160 --> 00:48:06.720
 comparative

00:48:06.720 --> 00:48:08.140
 you know

00:48:08.140 --> 00:48:08.900
 to where

00:48:08.900 --> 00:48:09.400
 your community

00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:09.820
 is at

00:48:09.820 --> 00:48:10.120
 it could

00:48:10.120 --> 00:48:10.240
 be

00:48:10.240 --> 00:48:10.580
 comparative

00:48:10.580 --> 00:48:11.020
 to the

00:48:11.020 --> 00:48:11.300
 amount

00:48:11.300 --> 00:48:11.620
 of work

00:48:11.620 --> 00:48:11.760
 you're

00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:11.920
 putting

00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:12.040
 in

00:48:12.040 --> 00:48:12.200
 it could

00:48:12.200 --> 00:48:12.300
 be

00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:12.660
 comparative

00:48:12.660 --> 00:48:13.060
 to

00:48:13.060 --> 00:48:13.980
 you know

00:48:13.980 --> 00:48:14.660
 what

00:48:14.660 --> 00:48:15.020
 you're

00:48:15.020 --> 00:48:15.260
 what

00:48:15.260 --> 00:48:16.380
 again

00:48:16.380 --> 00:48:16.740
 if

00:48:16.740 --> 00:48:17.040
 you're

00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:17.900
 you know

00:48:17.900 --> 00:48:18.160
 you want

00:48:18.160 --> 00:48:18.500
 people to

00:48:18.500 --> 00:48:18.820
 show up

00:48:18.820 --> 00:48:19.100
 on

00:48:19.100 --> 00:48:19.680
 on Sunday

00:48:19.680 --> 00:48:19.980
 mornings

00:48:19.980 --> 00:48:20.720
 to serve

00:48:20.720 --> 00:48:22.320
 be a

00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:22.500
 little

00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:22.920
 little

00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:23.660
 a little

00:48:23.660 --> 00:48:25.080
 respectful

00:48:25.080 --> 00:48:25.460
 or a

00:48:25.460 --> 00:48:25.560
 little

00:48:25.560 --> 00:48:25.880
 have a

00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:26.140
 little bit

00:48:26.140 --> 00:48:26.640
 of grace

00:48:26.640 --> 00:48:27.140
 for them

00:48:27.140 --> 00:48:27.920
 if they

00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:28.760
 you know

00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:29.260
 they're

00:48:29.260 --> 00:48:29.760
 working

00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:30.800
 not that

00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:31.400
 a pastor

00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:31.900
 is not

00:48:31.900 --> 00:48:32.420
 working

00:48:32.420 --> 00:48:33.320
 but again

00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:35.160
 doing

00:48:35.160 --> 00:48:35.500
 a long

00:48:35.500 --> 00:48:35.940
 time

00:48:35.940 --> 00:48:36.660
 you know

00:48:36.660 --> 00:48:36.860
 if you

00:48:36.860 --> 00:48:37.560
 have

00:48:37.560 --> 00:48:38.860
 time to

00:48:38.860 --> 00:48:39.060
 golf

00:48:39.060 --> 00:48:39.520
 four days

00:48:39.520 --> 00:48:39.820
 a week

00:48:39.820 --> 00:48:40.520
 you probably

00:48:40.520 --> 00:48:41.000
 have time

00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:41.460
 to relax

00:48:41.460 --> 00:48:41.760
 a little bit

00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:41.980
 on your

00:48:41.980 --> 00:48:42.280
 people

00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:42.560
 you know

00:48:42.560 --> 00:48:42.680
 what I'm

00:48:42.680 --> 00:48:42.900
 saying

00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:45.060
 and I

00:48:45.060 --> 00:48:45.300
 would say

00:48:45.300 --> 00:48:45.600
 this

00:48:45.600 --> 00:48:47.480
 for us

00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:47.880
 the money

00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:48.620
 coming in

00:48:48.620 --> 00:48:49.460
 you know

00:48:49.460 --> 00:48:50.220
 we're trying

00:48:50.220 --> 00:48:50.560
 to get it

00:48:50.560 --> 00:48:51.040
 back out

00:48:51.040 --> 00:48:52.180
 you know

00:48:52.180 --> 00:48:52.820
 to missions

00:48:52.820 --> 00:48:53.100
 for the

00:48:53.100 --> 00:48:53.520
 most part

00:48:53.520 --> 00:48:53.920
 yeah

00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:54.360
 and we

00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:54.620
 want

00:48:54.620 --> 00:48:54.940
 you know

00:48:54.940 --> 00:48:55.220
 and

00:48:55.220 --> 00:48:56.200
 some of

00:48:56.200 --> 00:48:56.480
 our biggest

00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:56.840
 things

00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:57.280
 is like

00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:57.860
 we just

00:48:57.860 --> 00:48:58.940
 all of

00:48:58.940 --> 00:48:59.680
 our equipment

00:48:59.680 --> 00:49:00.380
 that we

00:49:00.380 --> 00:49:01.000
 had for

00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:01.660
 our setup

00:49:01.660 --> 00:49:02.240
 and teardown

00:49:02.240 --> 00:49:02.720
 we actually

00:49:02.720 --> 00:49:03.080
 donated

00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:03.760
 another church

00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:04.060
 plant

00:49:04.060 --> 00:49:05.060
 about $80,000

00:49:05.060 --> 00:49:05.560
 equipment

00:49:05.560 --> 00:49:05.980
 we gave

00:49:05.980 --> 00:49:06.220
 away

00:49:06.220 --> 00:49:06.940
 and so

00:49:06.940 --> 00:49:07.420
 you know

00:49:07.420 --> 00:49:09.160
 we've done

00:49:09.160 --> 00:49:10.060
 a lot of

00:49:10.060 --> 00:49:10.300
 that with

00:49:10.300 --> 00:49:10.740
 our equipment

00:49:10.740 --> 00:49:11.180
 with just

00:49:11.180 --> 00:49:11.940
 different things

00:49:11.940 --> 00:49:12.680
 we want

00:49:12.680 --> 00:49:13.080
 to help

00:49:13.080 --> 00:49:13.860
 other people

00:49:13.860 --> 00:49:15.160
 do what

00:49:15.160 --> 00:49:15.600
 God's called

00:49:15.600 --> 00:49:16.220
 them to do

00:49:16.220 --> 00:49:16.860
 and to reach

00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:17.320
 more people

00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:17.580
 and so

00:49:17.580 --> 00:49:18.420
 in any ways

00:49:18.420 --> 00:49:18.760
 that we

00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:19.280
 can do

00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:19.720
 that

00:49:19.720 --> 00:49:21.000
 we want

00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:21.260
 to do

00:49:21.260 --> 00:49:21.520
 that

00:49:21.520 --> 00:49:22.640
 and I

00:49:22.640 --> 00:49:22.980
 would say

00:49:22.980 --> 00:49:23.440
 probably

00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:24.080
 a lot

00:49:24.080 --> 00:49:24.460
 of our

00:49:24.460 --> 00:49:24.960
 resources

00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:25.780
 have been

00:49:25.780 --> 00:49:26.400
 in giving

00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:27.060
 away to

00:49:27.060 --> 00:49:28.180
 people in

00:49:28.180 --> 00:49:28.460
 the United

00:49:28.460 --> 00:49:28.800
 States

00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:29.120
 church

00:49:29.120 --> 00:49:29.540
 plants

00:49:29.540 --> 00:49:29.880
 and other

00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:30.100
 things

00:49:30.100 --> 00:49:30.360
 but we

00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:30.600
 also

00:49:30.600 --> 00:49:31.140
 support

00:49:31.140 --> 00:49:32.040
 missionaries

00:49:32.040 --> 00:49:33.120
 right now

00:49:33.120 --> 00:49:33.260
 in

00:49:33.260 --> 00:49:33.680
 Cambodia

00:49:33.680 --> 00:49:34.560
 Cambodia

00:49:34.560 --> 00:49:35.540
 city of

00:49:35.540 --> 00:49:35.860
 Seattle

00:49:35.860 --> 00:49:37.040
 there's a

00:49:37.040 --> 00:49:37.480
 great

00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:37.840
 reach

00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:38.260
 ministry

00:49:38.260 --> 00:49:38.720
 yeah

00:49:38.720 --> 00:49:39.640
 rich and

00:49:39.640 --> 00:49:39.900
 Kayla

00:49:39.900 --> 00:49:40.300
 Sims

00:49:40.300 --> 00:49:40.900
 if you

00:49:40.900 --> 00:49:41.320
 want to

00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:41.560
 know a

00:49:41.560 --> 00:49:41.860
 name

00:49:41.860 --> 00:49:42.800
 rich

00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:43.560
 and

00:49:43.560 --> 00:49:43.980
 Kayla

00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:44.900
 Sims

00:49:44.900 --> 00:49:45.800
 in

00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:46.080
 reach

00:49:46.080 --> 00:49:46.480
 ministry

00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:47.000
 and what

00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:47.200
 they're

00:49:47.200 --> 00:49:47.500
 doing

00:49:47.500 --> 00:49:47.740
 with

00:49:47.740 --> 00:49:48.940
 homeless

00:49:48.940 --> 00:49:49.600
 and

00:49:49.600 --> 00:49:51.240
 work in

00:49:51.240 --> 00:49:51.640
 Seattle

00:49:51.640 --> 00:49:55.540
 it's

00:49:55.540 --> 00:49:55.780
 another

00:49:55.780 --> 00:49:56.180
 group

00:49:56.180 --> 00:49:56.560
 another

00:49:56.560 --> 00:49:56.900
 couple

00:49:56.900 --> 00:49:57.040
 or

00:49:57.040 --> 00:49:57.240
 another

00:49:57.240 --> 00:49:57.760
 type

00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:57.880
 of

00:49:57.880 --> 00:49:58.120
 person

00:49:58.120 --> 00:49:58.380
 that

00:49:58.380 --> 00:49:59.040
 you're

00:49:59.040 --> 00:49:59.240
 like

00:49:59.240 --> 00:49:59.620
 who

00:49:59.620 --> 00:50:00.240
 yeah

00:50:00.240 --> 00:50:00.660
 and you

00:50:00.660 --> 00:50:01.020
 find out

00:50:01.020 --> 00:50:01.160
 what

00:50:01.160 --> 00:50:01.300
 they're

00:50:01.300 --> 00:50:01.560
 doing

00:50:01.560 --> 00:50:01.820
 you're

00:50:01.820 --> 00:50:02.120
 like

00:50:02.120 --> 00:50:02.520
 the

00:50:02.520 --> 00:50:02.940
 impact

00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:03.300
 they're

00:50:03.300 --> 00:50:03.620
 making

00:50:03.620 --> 00:50:03.880
 yeah

00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:04.080
 the

00:50:04.080 --> 00:50:04.540
 impact

00:50:04.540 --> 00:50:04.860
 rich

00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:05.000
 and

00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:05.200
 Kayla

00:50:05.200 --> 00:50:05.360
 are

00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:05.700
 doing

00:50:05.700 --> 00:50:06.460
 in

00:50:06.460 --> 00:50:06.860
 Seattle

00:50:06.860 --> 00:50:07.640
 with

00:50:07.640 --> 00:50:08.680
 the

00:50:08.680 --> 00:50:09.100
 houseless

00:50:09.100 --> 00:50:09.380
 and the

00:50:09.380 --> 00:50:09.740
 homeless

00:50:09.740 --> 00:50:10.960
 yeah

00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:11.640
 is

00:50:11.640 --> 00:50:12.540
 yeah

00:50:12.540 --> 00:50:13.240
 it's

00:50:13.240 --> 00:50:13.720
 embarrassing

00:50:13.720 --> 00:50:14.800
 I'm like

00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:15.020
 do I

00:50:15.020 --> 00:50:15.140
 do

00:50:15.140 --> 00:50:15.380
 anything

00:50:15.380 --> 00:50:15.580
 for

00:50:15.580 --> 00:50:15.760
 Jesus

00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:16.260
 I

00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:16.380
 don't

00:50:16.380 --> 00:50:16.520
 think

00:50:16.520 --> 00:50:16.620
 I

00:50:16.620 --> 00:50:16.840
 do

00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:21.220
 it's

00:50:21.220 --> 00:50:21.780
 amazing

00:50:21.780 --> 00:50:22.300
 to see

00:50:22.300 --> 00:50:22.660
 you know

00:50:22.660 --> 00:50:22.960
 even

00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:23.300
 outside

00:50:23.300 --> 00:50:23.660
 of the

00:50:23.660 --> 00:50:23.980
 U.S.

00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:24.160
 how

00:50:24.160 --> 00:50:24.560
 ministry

00:50:24.560 --> 00:50:24.800
 is

00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:25.200
 happening

00:50:25.200 --> 00:50:25.700
 and

00:50:25.700 --> 00:50:26.220
 how

00:50:26.220 --> 00:50:27.040
 the

00:50:27.040 --> 00:50:27.320
 gospel

00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:27.480
 is

00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:27.660
 being

00:50:27.660 --> 00:50:28.080
 proclaimed

00:50:28.080 --> 00:50:28.320
 and

00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:28.800
 people

00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:29.120
 are

00:50:29.120 --> 00:50:29.700
 hungry

00:50:29.700 --> 00:50:30.120
 outside

00:50:30.120 --> 00:50:30.420
 of

00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:30.660
 the

00:50:30.660 --> 00:50:31.720
 Western

00:50:31.720 --> 00:50:32.060
 Civ

00:50:32.060 --> 00:50:32.440
 Church

00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:32.940
 and so

00:50:32.940 --> 00:50:33.520
 exciting

00:50:33.520 --> 00:50:34.140
 to hear

00:50:34.140 --> 00:50:34.340
 this

00:50:34.340 --> 00:50:34.500
 about

00:50:34.500 --> 00:50:34.680
 these

00:50:34.680 --> 00:50:35.000
 people

00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:36.180
 this

00:50:36.180 --> 00:50:36.380
 has

00:50:36.380 --> 00:50:36.660
 been

00:50:36.660 --> 00:50:37.280
 just

00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:37.800
 a

00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:38.840
 completely

00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:39.360
 shocking

00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:40.020
 conversation

00:50:40.020 --> 00:50:41.020
 the

00:50:41.020 --> 00:50:41.280
 fact

00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:41.520
 that

00:50:41.520 --> 00:50:41.700
 you

00:50:41.700 --> 00:50:41.860
 were

00:50:41.860 --> 00:50:42.240
 not

00:50:42.240 --> 00:50:42.720
 anything

00:50:42.720 --> 00:50:42.960
 in

00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:43.240
 digital

00:50:43.240 --> 00:50:43.720
 ministry

00:50:43.720 --> 00:50:44.420
 and

00:50:44.420 --> 00:50:44.600
 all

00:50:44.600 --> 00:50:44.840
 of a

00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:45.100
 sudden

00:50:45.100 --> 00:50:45.440
 our

00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:45.920
 digital

00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:46.240
 only

00:50:46.240 --> 00:50:46.660
 expression

00:50:46.660 --> 00:50:46.820
 of

00:50:46.820 --> 00:50:47.020
 church

00:50:47.020 --> 00:50:47.240
 in

00:50:47.240 --> 00:50:47.420
 this

00:50:47.420 --> 00:50:47.660
 COVID

00:50:47.660 --> 00:50:48.040
 season

00:50:48.040 --> 00:50:48.600
 expanding

00:50:48.600 --> 00:50:49.340
 and

00:50:49.340 --> 00:50:49.520
 doing

00:50:49.520 --> 00:50:49.840
 everything

00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:50.080
 that

00:50:50.080 --> 00:50:50.420
 you

00:50:50.420 --> 00:50:50.620
 are

00:50:50.620 --> 00:50:50.840
 I

00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:51.160
 gotta

00:50:51.160 --> 00:50:51.420
 tell

00:50:51.420 --> 00:50:51.540
 you

00:50:51.540 --> 00:50:51.740
 I

00:50:51.740 --> 00:50:52.340
 did

00:50:52.340 --> 00:50:52.640
 not

00:50:52.640 --> 00:50:52.920
 log

00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:53.140
 onto

00:50:53.140 --> 00:50:53.320
 this

00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:53.520
 call

00:50:53.520 --> 00:50:53.860
 thinking

00:50:53.860 --> 00:50:54.100
 that

00:50:54.100 --> 00:50:54.280
 that

00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:54.440
 was

00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:54.560
 what

00:50:54.560 --> 00:50:54.680
 was

00:50:54.680 --> 00:50:54.800
 going

00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:54.880
 to

00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:55.160
 happen

00:50:55.160 --> 00:50:55.680
 I

00:50:55.680 --> 00:50:56.200
 love

00:50:56.200 --> 00:50:56.340
 it

00:50:56.340 --> 00:50:56.600
 because

00:50:56.600 --> 00:50:56.840
 it's

00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:57.040
 so

00:50:57.040 --> 00:50:57.760
 inspiring

00:50:57.760 --> 00:50:58.960
 towards

00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:00.040
 you

00:51:00.040 --> 00:51:00.440
 can

00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:00.660
 do

00:51:00.660 --> 00:51:00.920
 this

00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:01.320
 ministry

00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:01.820
 can

00:51:01.820 --> 00:51:02.220
 happen

00:51:02.220 --> 00:51:02.760
 digitally

00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:03.400
 you

00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:03.680
 can

00:51:03.680 --> 00:51:04.140
 thrive

00:51:04.140 --> 00:51:04.300
 in

00:51:04.300 --> 00:51:04.460
 this

00:51:04.460 --> 00:51:04.860
 situation

00:51:04.860 --> 00:51:05.040
 the

00:51:05.040 --> 00:51:05.260
 fact

00:51:05.260 --> 00:51:05.440
 that

00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:05.560
 you

00:51:05.560 --> 00:51:05.820
 said

00:51:05.820 --> 00:51:06.060
 no

00:51:06.060 --> 00:51:06.320
 to

00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:06.540
 a

00:51:06.540 --> 00:51:07.220
 building

00:51:07.220 --> 00:51:08.020
 and

00:51:08.020 --> 00:51:08.340
 to

00:51:08.340 --> 00:51:09.020
 continue

00:51:09.020 --> 00:51:09.420
 on

00:51:09.420 --> 00:51:09.620
 this

00:51:09.620 --> 00:51:09.820
 on

00:51:09.820 --> 00:51:09.980
 this

00:51:09.980 --> 00:51:10.400
 digital

00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:11.200
 road

00:51:16.660 --> 00:51:17.120
 i've

00:51:17.120 --> 00:51:17.380
 probably

00:51:17.380 --> 00:51:17.620
 got

00:51:17.620 --> 00:51:18.040
 20

00:51:18.040 --> 00:51:18.480
 plus

00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:19.400
 planters

00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:19.880
 in

00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:20.560
 cohort

00:51:20.560 --> 00:51:21.040
 right

00:51:21.040 --> 00:51:21.340
 now

00:51:21.340 --> 00:51:21.520
 in

00:51:21.520 --> 00:51:21.740
 some

00:51:21.740 --> 00:51:22.140
 level

00:51:22.140 --> 00:51:22.800
 of

00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:23.320
 planting

00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:23.880
 process

00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:24.480
 i would

00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:25.040
 love

00:51:25.040 --> 00:51:25.780
 an

00:51:25.780 --> 00:51:26.220
 encouraging

00:51:26.220 --> 00:51:26.860
 thought

00:51:26.860 --> 00:51:27.520
 maybe

00:51:27.520 --> 00:51:27.860
 like

00:51:27.860 --> 00:51:28.060
 a

00:51:28.060 --> 00:51:28.520
 practical

00:51:28.520 --> 00:51:28.860
 next

00:51:28.860 --> 00:51:29.100
 step

00:51:29.100 --> 00:51:29.320
 maybe

00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:29.820
 somebody's

00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:29.960
 out

00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:30.100
 there

00:51:30.100 --> 00:51:30.480
 listening

00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:30.700
 to

00:51:30.700 --> 00:51:30.880
 this

00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:31.080
 right

00:51:31.080 --> 00:51:31.360
 now

00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:31.520
 and

00:51:31.520 --> 00:51:31.800
 saying

00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:32.160
 hey

00:51:32.160 --> 00:51:32.660
 i'm

00:51:32.660 --> 00:51:32.880
 thinking

00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:33.140
 about

00:51:33.140 --> 00:51:33.660
 doing

00:51:33.660 --> 00:51:33.900
 this

00:51:33.900 --> 00:51:34.200
 digital

00:51:34.200 --> 00:51:34.500
 only

00:51:34.500 --> 00:51:34.840
 thing

00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:35.160
 i don't

00:51:35.160 --> 00:51:35.280
 know

00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:35.400
 where

00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:35.540
 to

00:51:35.540 --> 00:51:35.900
 start

00:51:35.900 --> 00:51:36.440
 give

00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:36.520
 them

00:51:36.520 --> 00:51:36.660
 some

00:51:36.660 --> 00:51:37.080
 advice

00:51:37.080 --> 00:51:37.660
 get

00:51:37.660 --> 00:51:38.120
 online

00:51:38.120 --> 00:51:39.360
 set

00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:39.500
 up

00:51:39.500 --> 00:51:39.780
 set

00:51:39.780 --> 00:51:39.900
 up

00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:40.000
 a

00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:40.280
 camera

00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:40.580
 set

00:51:40.580 --> 00:51:40.680
 up

00:51:40.680 --> 00:51:40.780
 your

00:51:40.780 --> 00:51:41.100
 phone

00:51:41.100 --> 00:51:41.620
 it's

00:51:41.620 --> 00:51:41.740
 what

00:51:41.740 --> 00:51:41.880
 we

00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:42.000
 did

00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:42.120
 we

00:51:42.120 --> 00:51:42.500
 decided

00:51:42.500 --> 00:51:42.680
 from

00:51:42.680 --> 00:51:42.800
 the

00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:43.000
 very

00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:43.400
 beginning

00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:44.600
 we

00:51:44.600 --> 00:51:44.760
 put

00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:44.900
 our

00:51:44.900 --> 00:51:45.300
 iPhones

00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:45.520
 up

00:51:45.520 --> 00:51:45.660
 for

00:51:45.660 --> 00:51:45.820
 a

00:51:45.820 --> 00:51:46.120
 long

00:51:46.120 --> 00:51:46.400
 long

00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:46.740
 time

00:51:46.740 --> 00:51:46.900
 it

00:51:46.900 --> 00:51:47.020
 was

00:51:47.020 --> 00:51:47.160
 just

00:51:47.160 --> 00:51:47.300
 an

00:51:47.300 --> 00:51:47.740
 iPhones

00:51:47.740 --> 00:51:48.900
 and

00:51:48.900 --> 00:51:49.480
 get

00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:49.820
 yourself

00:51:49.820 --> 00:51:50.040
 out

00:51:50.040 --> 00:51:50.280
 there

00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:51.260
 grow

00:51:51.260 --> 00:51:51.700
 that

00:51:51.700 --> 00:51:52.360
 get

00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:02.680
 start

00:52:02.680 --> 00:52:03.720
 just

00:52:03.720 --> 00:52:04.160
 start

00:52:04.160 --> 00:52:04.380
 and

00:52:04.380 --> 00:52:04.540
 go

00:52:04.540 --> 00:52:04.820
 for

00:52:04.820 --> 00:52:05.000
 it

00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.520
 put

00:52:07.520 --> 00:52:08.140
 content

00:52:08.140 --> 00:52:08.660
 out

00:52:08.660 --> 00:52:09.200
 who

00:52:09.200 --> 00:52:09.600
 cares

00:52:09.600 --> 00:52:10.300
 don't

00:52:10.300 --> 00:52:10.480
 look

00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:10.560
 at

00:52:10.560 --> 00:52:10.680
 the

00:52:10.680 --> 00:52:11.000
 likes

00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:11.420
 i

00:52:11.420 --> 00:52:11.700
 only

00:52:11.700 --> 00:52:11.920
 got

00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:12.180
 one

00:52:12.180 --> 00:52:12.420
 heart

00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:12.720
 today

00:52:12.720 --> 00:52:12.940
 who

00:52:12.940 --> 00:52:13.360
 cares

00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:13.820
 you

00:52:13.820 --> 00:52:14.580
 got

00:52:14.580 --> 00:52:14.940
 one

00:52:14.940 --> 00:52:15.260
 maybe

00:52:15.260 --> 00:52:15.460
 get

00:52:15.460 --> 00:52:15.760
 zero

00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:15.980
 who

00:52:15.980 --> 00:52:16.480
 cares

00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:17.340
 get

00:52:17.340 --> 00:52:17.900
 started

00:52:17.900 --> 00:52:18.260
 that's

00:52:18.260 --> 00:52:18.360
 what

00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:18.480
 i'm

00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:18.700
 saying

00:52:18.700 --> 00:52:19.500
 try

00:52:19.500 --> 00:52:20.340
 honestly

00:52:20.340 --> 00:52:21.320
 it

00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:21.520
 has

00:52:21.520 --> 00:52:21.780
 been

00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:22.000
 the

00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:22.220
 most

00:52:22.220 --> 00:52:22.760
 refreshing

00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:23.320
 to

00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:23.560
 go

00:52:23.560 --> 00:52:24.040
 digitally

00:52:24.040 --> 00:52:24.740
 online

00:52:24.740 --> 00:52:25.220
 just

00:52:25.220 --> 00:52:25.500
 the

00:52:25.500 --> 00:52:26.000
 connections

00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:26.580
 and

00:52:26.580 --> 00:52:26.900
 the

00:52:26.900 --> 00:52:27.540
 relationships

00:52:27.540 --> 00:52:27.980
 and

00:52:27.980 --> 00:52:28.200
 the

00:52:28.200 --> 00:52:28.620
 disciple

00:52:28.620 --> 00:52:29.720
 making

00:52:29.720 --> 00:52:29.960
 that

00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:30.100
 has

00:52:30.100 --> 00:52:31.060
 happened

00:52:31.060 --> 00:52:31.900
 and

00:52:31.900 --> 00:52:32.040
 i

00:52:32.040 --> 00:52:32.500
 want

00:52:32.500 --> 00:52:32.660
 to

00:52:32.660 --> 00:52:32.880
 stick

00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:33.240
 to

00:52:33.240 --> 00:52:33.740
 we

00:52:33.740 --> 00:52:34.160
 have

00:52:34.160 --> 00:52:34.560
 seen

00:52:34.560 --> 00:52:34.860
 more

00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:35.160
 people

00:52:35.160 --> 00:52:35.420
 come

00:52:35.420 --> 00:52:35.580
 to

00:52:35.580 --> 00:52:35.940
 christ

00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:36.860
 more

00:52:36.860 --> 00:52:37.860
 relationship

00:52:37.860 --> 00:52:38.260
 more

00:52:38.260 --> 00:52:38.960
 discipleship

00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:39.380
 happening

00:52:39.380 --> 00:52:40.200
 in

00:52:40.200 --> 00:52:40.500
 this

00:52:40.500 --> 00:52:40.940
 last

00:52:40.940 --> 00:52:41.300
 year

00:52:41.300 --> 00:52:41.500
 than

00:52:41.500 --> 00:52:41.720
 we

00:52:41.720 --> 00:52:42.080
 have

00:52:42.080 --> 00:52:42.280
 in

00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:42.420
 the

00:52:42.420 --> 00:52:42.740
 previous

00:52:42.740 --> 00:52:43.080
 10

00:52:43.080 --> 00:52:43.300
 years

00:52:43.300 --> 00:52:43.440
 of

00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:43.580
 our

00:52:43.580 --> 00:52:43.880
 ministry

00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:44.300
 life

00:52:44.300 --> 00:52:44.960
 like

00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:45.240
 real

00:52:45.240 --> 00:52:45.840
 personal

00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:46.540
 real

00:52:46.540 --> 00:52:48.760
 life

00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:49.200
 stuff

00:52:49.200 --> 00:52:49.680
 if

00:52:49.680 --> 00:52:49.860
 they're

00:52:49.860 --> 00:52:50.400
 watching

00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:50.700
 you

00:52:50.700 --> 00:52:51.320
 online

00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:52.260
 and

00:52:52.260 --> 00:52:52.480
 they

00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:52.900
 reach

00:52:52.900 --> 00:52:53.240
 out

00:52:53.240 --> 00:52:53.380
 to

00:52:53.380 --> 00:52:53.520
 you

00:52:53.520 --> 00:52:53.740
 let

00:52:53.740 --> 00:52:53.940
 my

00:52:53.940 --> 00:52:54.440
 pastors

00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:54.760
 listen

00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:54.880
 to

00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:54.980
 me

00:52:54.980 --> 00:52:55.720
 if

00:52:55.720 --> 00:52:56.080
 they

00:52:56.080 --> 00:52:56.540
 if

00:52:56.540 --> 00:52:56.740
 you

00:52:56.740 --> 00:52:57.040
 get

00:52:57.040 --> 00:52:57.260
 a

00:52:57.260 --> 00:52:57.720
 like

00:52:57.720 --> 00:52:58.440
 you

00:52:58.440 --> 00:52:58.660
 gotta

00:52:58.660 --> 00:52:58.900
 and

00:52:58.900 --> 00:52:59.040
 it's

00:52:59.040 --> 00:52:59.200
 not

00:52:59.200 --> 00:52:59.400
 your

00:52:59.400 --> 00:52:59.820
 mom

00:52:59.820 --> 00:53:00.280
 reach

00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:00.420
 out

00:53:00.420 --> 00:53:00.500
 to

00:53:00.500 --> 00:53:00.620
 your

00:53:00.620 --> 00:53:00.840
 mom

00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:01.100
 please

00:53:01.100 --> 00:53:01.740
 but

00:53:01.740 --> 00:53:01.880
 if

00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:02.020
 it's

00:53:02.020 --> 00:53:02.240
 somebody

00:53:02.240 --> 00:53:02.440
 you

00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:02.700
 don't

00:53:02.700 --> 00:53:02.980
 know

00:53:02.980 --> 00:53:03.460
 friend

00:53:03.460 --> 00:53:03.940
 request

00:53:03.940 --> 00:53:04.180
 them

00:53:04.180 --> 00:53:04.820
 reach

00:53:04.820 --> 00:53:05.080
 out

00:53:05.080 --> 00:53:05.220
 to

00:53:05.220 --> 00:53:05.500
 them

00:53:05.500 --> 00:53:06.300
 let

00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:06.540
 them

00:53:06.540 --> 00:53:06.740
 know

00:53:06.740 --> 00:53:06.940
 i

00:53:06.940 --> 00:53:07.340
 see

00:53:07.340 --> 00:53:07.740
 you

00:53:07.740 --> 00:53:08.140
 i

00:53:08.140 --> 00:53:08.520
 saw

00:53:08.520 --> 00:53:08.700
 that

00:53:08.700 --> 00:53:08.860
 you

00:53:08.860 --> 00:53:09.080
 took

00:53:09.080 --> 00:53:09.480
 time

00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:09.640
 to

00:53:09.640 --> 00:53:09.820
 say

00:53:09.820 --> 00:53:10.060
 here

00:53:10.060 --> 00:53:10.260
 i

00:53:10.260 --> 00:53:10.580
 am

00:53:10.580 --> 00:53:11.260
 if

00:53:11.260 --> 00:53:11.500
 you're

00:53:11.500 --> 00:53:11.740
 not

00:53:11.740 --> 00:53:12.060
 doing

00:53:12.060 --> 00:53:12.400
 that

00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:12.680
 you're

00:53:12.680 --> 00:53:13.080
 failing

00:53:13.080 --> 00:53:14.640
 you're

00:53:14.640 --> 00:53:15.260
 you're

00:53:15.260 --> 00:53:15.600
 missing

00:53:15.600 --> 00:53:15.900
 to

00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:16.140
 what

00:53:16.140 --> 00:53:16.540
 to

00:53:16.540 --> 00:53:16.740
 who

00:53:16.740 --> 00:53:16.940
 much

00:53:16.940 --> 00:53:17.080
 is

00:53:17.080 --> 00:53:17.860
 required

00:53:17.860 --> 00:53:18.520
 you

00:53:18.520 --> 00:53:18.760
 want

00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:19.300
 increase

00:53:19.300 --> 00:53:19.520
 do

00:53:19.520 --> 00:53:19.680
 the

00:53:19.680 --> 00:53:19.920
 little

00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:20.320
 that's

00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:20.460
 something

00:53:20.460 --> 00:53:20.680
 we

00:53:20.680 --> 00:53:20.940
 learned

00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:21.100
 from

00:53:21.100 --> 00:53:21.240
 the

00:53:21.240 --> 00:53:21.580
 very

00:53:21.580 --> 00:53:22.000
 beginning

00:53:29.040 --> 00:53:29.980
 and

00:53:29.980 --> 00:53:30.080
 our

00:53:30.080 --> 00:53:30.240
 team

00:53:30.240 --> 00:53:30.320
 is

00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:30.500
 like

00:53:30.500 --> 00:53:30.760
 dude

00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:30.920
 if

00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:31.020
 we

00:53:31.020 --> 00:53:31.220
 send

00:53:31.220 --> 00:53:31.340
 them

00:53:31.340 --> 00:53:31.620
 17

00:53:31.620 --> 00:53:31.860
 messages

00:53:31.860 --> 00:53:32.480
 we

00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:33.300
 get

00:53:33.300 --> 00:53:33.500
 it

00:53:33.500 --> 00:53:33.840
 but

00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:34.000
 it's

00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:34.180
 like

00:53:34.180 --> 00:53:34.440
 get

00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:34.780
 after

00:53:34.780 --> 00:53:35.040
 them

00:53:35.040 --> 00:53:35.460
 and

00:53:35.460 --> 00:53:35.640
 we

00:53:35.640 --> 00:53:36.300
 connect

00:53:36.300 --> 00:53:36.560
 with

00:53:36.560 --> 00:53:36.760
 them

00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:37.400
 on

00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:38.240
 direct

00:53:38.240 --> 00:53:38.680
 messenger

00:53:38.680 --> 00:53:39.060
 instant

00:53:39.060 --> 00:53:39.520
 messenger

00:53:39.520 --> 00:53:40.200
 through

00:53:40.200 --> 00:53:40.640
 Facebook

00:53:40.640 --> 00:53:40.840
 and

00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:41.200
 Instagram

00:53:41.200 --> 00:53:41.840
 but

00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:41.980
 i

00:53:41.980 --> 00:53:42.140
 would

00:53:42.140 --> 00:53:42.420
 say

00:53:42.420 --> 00:53:42.660
 for

00:53:42.660 --> 00:53:43.560
 me

00:53:43.560 --> 00:53:44.260
 going

00:53:44.260 --> 00:53:44.560
 back

00:53:44.560 --> 00:53:44.900
 to

00:53:44.900 --> 00:53:45.520
 what

00:53:45.520 --> 00:53:45.620
 i

00:53:45.620 --> 00:53:45.760
 was

00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:46.120
 saying

00:53:46.120 --> 00:53:46.840
 i

00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:47.080
 don't

00:53:47.080 --> 00:53:47.360
 like

00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:47.540
 to

00:53:47.540 --> 00:53:47.660
 be

00:53:47.660 --> 00:53:47.820
 on

00:53:47.820 --> 00:53:48.200
 camera

00:53:48.200 --> 00:53:48.600
 camera

00:53:48.600 --> 00:53:48.980
 is

00:53:48.980 --> 00:53:49.760
 something

00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:49.960
 that

00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:50.120
 i've

00:53:50.120 --> 00:53:50.360
 never

00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:50.640
 liked

00:53:50.640 --> 00:53:50.800
 to

00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:50.940
 be

00:53:50.940 --> 00:53:51.140
 i'm

00:53:51.140 --> 00:53:51.240
 an

00:53:51.240 --> 00:53:51.400
 in

00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:51.700
 person

00:53:51.700 --> 00:53:52.620
 person

00:53:52.620 --> 00:53:53.420
 but

00:53:53.420 --> 00:53:53.860
 during

00:53:53.860 --> 00:53:54.080
 this

00:53:54.080 --> 00:53:54.480
 time

00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:55.220
 i've

00:53:55.220 --> 00:53:55.340
 had

00:53:55.340 --> 00:53:55.440
 to

00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:55.560
 get

00:53:55.560 --> 00:53:55.680
 out

00:53:55.680 --> 00:53:55.740
 of

00:53:55.740 --> 00:53:55.840
 my

00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:56.000
 own

00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:56.400
 box

00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:57.000
 and

00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:57.660
 stop

00:53:57.660 --> 00:53:58.020
 looking

00:53:58.020 --> 00:53:58.200
 at

00:53:58.200 --> 00:53:59.060
 do

00:53:59.060 --> 00:53:59.300
 i

00:53:59.300 --> 00:53:59.600
 look

00:53:59.600 --> 00:54:00.000
 perfect

00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:00.160
 do

00:54:00.160 --> 00:54:00.280
 i

00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:00.560
 sound

00:54:05.040 --> 00:54:05.360
 god

00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:05.520
 has

00:54:05.520 --> 00:54:05.720
 given

00:54:05.720 --> 00:54:05.920
 me

00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:06.180
 something

00:54:06.180 --> 00:54:06.400
 to

00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:06.620
 say

00:54:06.620 --> 00:54:07.180
 stop

00:54:07.180 --> 00:54:08.360
 hesitating

00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:09.860
 dream

00:54:09.860 --> 00:54:10.560
 and

00:54:10.560 --> 00:54:10.820
 try

00:54:10.820 --> 00:54:11.300
 things

00:54:11.300 --> 00:54:11.740
 you

00:54:11.740 --> 00:54:12.020
 know

00:54:12.020 --> 00:54:12.620
 and

00:54:12.620 --> 00:54:13.040
 see

00:54:13.040 --> 00:54:13.280
 we

00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:14.420
 record

00:54:14.420 --> 00:54:14.820
 here

00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:15.240
 it's

00:54:15.240 --> 00:54:15.360
 our

00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:15.700
 house

00:54:15.700 --> 00:54:16.340
 we

00:54:16.340 --> 00:54:16.880
 purposely

00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:17.380
 we've

00:54:17.380 --> 00:54:17.560
 added

00:54:17.560 --> 00:54:17.740
 some

00:54:17.740 --> 00:54:18.040
 lights

00:54:18.040 --> 00:54:18.240
 stuff

00:54:18.240 --> 00:54:18.380
 like

00:54:18.380 --> 00:54:18.660
 that

00:54:18.660 --> 00:54:19.300
 but

00:54:19.300 --> 00:54:19.600
 we

00:54:19.600 --> 00:54:19.980
 we

00:54:19.980 --> 00:54:20.500
 turned

00:54:20.500 --> 00:54:20.800
 down

00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:21.000
 that

00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:21.200
 we

00:54:21.200 --> 00:54:21.360
 had

00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:21.580
 someone

00:54:21.580 --> 00:54:21.920
 offer

00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:22.180
 their

00:54:22.180 --> 00:54:22.540
 studio

00:54:22.540 --> 00:54:22.780
 to

00:54:22.780 --> 00:54:23.000
 us

00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:23.220
 come

00:54:23.220 --> 00:54:23.380
 and

00:54:23.380 --> 00:54:23.560
 do

00:54:23.560 --> 00:54:23.840
 you

00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:24.040
 know

00:54:24.040 --> 00:54:24.600
 and

00:54:24.600 --> 00:54:24.820
 that's

00:54:24.820 --> 00:54:25.020
 good

00:54:25.020 --> 00:54:25.160
 for

00:54:25.160 --> 00:54:25.320
 some

00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:25.580
 people

00:54:25.580 --> 00:54:26.140
 for

00:54:26.140 --> 00:54:26.400
 us

00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:26.580
 we

00:54:26.580 --> 00:54:26.700
 don't

00:54:26.700 --> 00:54:26.840
 want

00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:26.920
 to

00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:27.040
 do

00:54:27.040 --> 00:54:27.200
 that

00:54:27.200 --> 00:54:27.400
 we

00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:27.640
 want

00:54:27.640 --> 00:54:27.780
 to

00:54:27.780 --> 00:54:28.160
 model

00:54:28.160 --> 00:54:28.820
 you

00:54:28.820 --> 00:54:28.980
 can

00:54:28.980 --> 00:54:29.220
 set

00:54:29.220 --> 00:54:29.380
 your

00:54:29.380 --> 00:54:29.760
 phone

00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:30.120
 up

00:54:30.120 --> 00:54:30.800
 the

00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:31.280
 iPhone

00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:31.680
 or

00:54:31.680 --> 00:54:32.020
 Android

00:54:32.020 --> 00:54:32.240
 whatever

00:54:32.240 --> 00:54:32.400
 you

00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:32.580
 have

00:54:32.580 --> 00:54:32.700
 we

00:54:32.700 --> 00:54:32.820
 have

00:54:32.820 --> 00:54:32.960
 an

00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:33.340
 iPhone

00:54:33.340 --> 00:54:34.260
 you

00:54:34.260 --> 00:54:34.400
 can

00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:34.600
 set

00:54:34.600 --> 00:54:34.780
 your

00:54:34.780 --> 00:54:35.220
 iPhone

00:54:35.220 --> 00:54:35.720
 up

00:54:35.720 --> 00:54:36.520
 and

00:54:36.520 --> 00:54:36.920
 reach

00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:37.120
 the

00:54:37.120 --> 00:54:37.440
 world

00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:37.620
 with

00:54:37.620 --> 00:54:37.740
 the

00:54:37.740 --> 00:54:38.220
 gospel

00:54:38.220 --> 00:54:39.040
 so

00:54:39.040 --> 00:54:39.480
 you

00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:39.620
 don't

00:54:39.620 --> 00:54:39.800
 have

00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:39.920
 to

00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:40.180
 have

00:54:40.180 --> 00:54:40.340
 all

00:54:40.340 --> 00:54:40.480
 the

00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:40.900
 production

00:54:40.900 --> 00:54:41.100
 you

00:54:41.100 --> 00:54:41.220
 don't

00:54:41.220 --> 00:54:41.400
 have

00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:41.520
 to

00:54:41.520 --> 00:54:43.800
 do

00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:44.280
 that

00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:44.520
 that's

00:54:44.520 --> 00:54:44.680
 the

00:54:44.680 --> 00:54:44.920
 beauty

00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:45.100
 of

00:54:45.100 --> 00:54:45.200
 it

00:54:45.200 --> 00:54:45.380
 all

00:54:45.380 --> 00:54:46.140
 and

00:54:46.140 --> 00:54:46.440
 just

00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:46.680
 set

00:54:46.680 --> 00:54:46.820
 it

00:54:46.820 --> 00:54:47.100
 up

00:54:47.100 --> 00:54:48.120
 trust

00:54:48.120 --> 00:54:48.540
 God

00:54:48.540 --> 00:54:49.000
 you

00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:49.140
 know

00:54:49.140 --> 00:54:49.540
 pray

00:54:49.540 --> 00:54:49.800
 you

00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:49.920
 know

00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:50.540
 how many

00:54:50.540 --> 00:54:51.040
 of us

00:54:51.040 --> 00:54:51.200
 heard

00:54:51.200 --> 00:54:51.400
 this

00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:52.060
 pray

00:54:52.060 --> 00:54:52.820
 yourself

00:54:52.820 --> 00:54:53.240
 hot

00:54:53.240 --> 00:54:53.860
 and

00:54:53.860 --> 00:54:54.420
 preach

00:54:54.420 --> 00:54:54.840
 yourself

00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:55.220
 empty

00:54:55.220 --> 00:54:55.720
 and

00:54:55.720 --> 00:54:55.880
 see

00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:56.080
 what

00:54:56.080 --> 00:54:56.320
 God

00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:56.460
 will

00:54:56.460 --> 00:54:56.760
 do

00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:57.440
 and

00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:57.640
 you

00:54:57.640 --> 00:54:57.760
 can

00:54:57.760 --> 00:54:57.880
 do

00:54:57.880 --> 00:54:58.060
 that

00:54:58.060 --> 00:54:58.320
 I

00:54:58.320 --> 00:54:58.460
 do

00:54:58.460 --> 00:54:58.540
 it

00:54:58.540 --> 00:54:58.620
 for

00:54:58.620 --> 00:54:58.760
 my

00:54:58.760 --> 00:54:59.040
 truck

00:54:59.040 --> 00:54:59.580
 I

00:54:59.580 --> 00:54:59.860
 just

00:54:59.860 --> 00:55:00.060
 did

00:55:00.060 --> 00:55:00.420
 it

00:55:00.420 --> 00:55:02.060
 a

00:55:02.060 --> 00:55:02.200
 couple

00:55:02.200 --> 00:55:02.440
 nights

00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:02.680
 ago

00:55:02.680 --> 00:55:03.360
 when

00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:03.560
 was

00:55:03.560 --> 00:55:03.920
 it

00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:04.280
 yesterday

00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:04.720
 morning

00:55:04.720 --> 00:55:05.380
 set

00:55:05.380 --> 00:55:05.600
 my

00:55:05.600 --> 00:55:05.920
 camera

00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:06.160
 up

00:55:06.160 --> 00:55:07.140
 right

00:55:07.140 --> 00:55:07.360
 on

00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:07.540
 my

00:55:07.540 --> 00:55:07.860
 truck

00:55:07.860 --> 00:55:08.400
 in

00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:08.640
 my

00:55:08.640 --> 00:55:09.100
 cab

00:55:09.100 --> 00:55:09.540
 and

00:55:09.540 --> 00:55:09.720
 I

00:55:09.720 --> 00:55:10.300
 share

00:55:10.300 --> 00:55:10.440
 the

00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:10.780
 gospel

00:55:10.780 --> 00:55:11.400
 encourage

00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:11.900
 pastors

00:55:11.900 --> 00:55:12.420
 encourage

00:55:12.420 --> 00:55:13.220
 leaders

00:55:13.220 --> 00:55:13.960
 you

00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:14.220
 know

00:55:14.220 --> 00:55:14.700
 and

00:55:14.700 --> 00:55:14.820
 I

00:55:14.820 --> 00:55:14.980
 think

00:55:14.980 --> 00:55:15.120
 you

00:55:15.120 --> 00:55:15.280
 can

00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:15.460
 do

00:55:15.460 --> 00:55:15.600
 it

00:55:15.600 --> 00:55:15.700
 so

00:55:15.700 --> 00:55:15.840
 if

00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:16.040
 you're

00:55:16.040 --> 00:55:16.380
 new

00:55:16.380 --> 00:55:16.680
 and

00:55:16.680 --> 00:55:16.880
 this

00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:16.980
 is

00:55:16.980 --> 00:55:17.080
 what

00:55:17.080 --> 00:55:17.180
 you

00:55:17.180 --> 00:55:17.360
 want

00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:17.460
 to

00:55:17.460 --> 00:55:17.700
 do

00:55:17.700 --> 00:55:17.880
 and

00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:25.060
 your

00:55:25.060 --> 00:55:25.540
 church

00:55:25.540 --> 00:55:26.160
 you

00:55:26.160 --> 00:55:26.440
 know

00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:27.160
 look

00:55:27.160 --> 00:55:27.600
 at

00:55:27.600 --> 00:55:28.020
 that

00:55:28.020 --> 00:55:28.860
 time

00:55:28.860 --> 00:55:29.480
 as

00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:29.940
 a

00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:30.500
 actual

00:55:30.500 --> 00:55:30.940
 time

00:55:30.940 --> 00:55:31.080
 in

00:55:31.080 --> 00:55:31.220
 your

00:55:31.220 --> 00:55:31.620
 church

00:55:31.620 --> 00:55:32.380
 don't

00:55:32.380 --> 00:55:32.920
 don't

00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:33.320
 this

00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:33.540
 something

00:55:33.540 --> 00:55:33.760
 we

00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:33.960
 had

00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:34.320
 planned

00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:34.620
 if

00:55:34.620 --> 00:55:34.720
 we

00:55:34.720 --> 00:55:34.820
 were

00:55:34.820 --> 00:55:34.940
 going

00:55:34.940 --> 00:55:34.980
 to

00:55:34.980 --> 00:55:35.080
 get

00:55:35.080 --> 00:55:35.200
 the

00:55:35.200 --> 00:55:35.480
 building

00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:36.200
 that's

00:55:36.200 --> 00:55:36.360
 good

00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:36.580
 I'm

00:55:36.580 --> 00:55:36.720
 glad

00:55:36.720 --> 00:55:36.840
 you

00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:37.040
 asked

00:55:37.040 --> 00:55:37.280
 that

00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:38.160
 well

00:55:38.160 --> 00:55:38.300
 we

00:55:38.300 --> 00:55:38.440
 had

00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:38.760
 already

00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:39.300
 decided

00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:39.640
 because

00:55:39.640 --> 00:55:39.740
 it

00:55:39.740 --> 00:55:39.860
 was

00:55:39.860 --> 00:55:40.080
 going

00:55:40.080 --> 00:55:40.320
 so

00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:40.600
 well

00:55:40.600 --> 00:55:40.840
 if

00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:40.940
 we

00:55:40.940 --> 00:55:41.080
 went

00:55:41.080 --> 00:55:41.260
 into

00:55:41.260 --> 00:55:41.460
 in

00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:41.820
 person

00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:42.640
 we

00:55:42.640 --> 00:55:42.760
 were

00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:42.880
 going

00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:42.980
 to

00:55:42.980 --> 00:55:43.640
 continue

00:55:43.640 --> 00:55:44.740
 streaming

00:55:44.740 --> 00:55:45.060
 at

00:55:45.060 --> 00:55:45.180
 the

00:55:45.180 --> 00:55:45.380
 same

00:55:45.380 --> 00:55:45.780
 time

00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:46.260
 with

00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:46.420
 a

00:55:46.420 --> 00:55:46.920
 camera

00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:47.760
 right

00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:47.960
 up

00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:48.160
 where

00:55:48.160 --> 00:55:48.320
 it

00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:48.460
 was

00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:55.120
 just

00:55:55.120 --> 00:55:55.480
 watching

00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:55.660
 from

00:55:55.660 --> 00:55:55.800
 the

00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:56.380
 sideline

00:55:56.380 --> 00:55:57.900
 we

00:55:57.900 --> 00:55:58.080
 went

00:55:58.080 --> 00:55:58.260
 from

00:55:58.260 --> 00:55:58.560
 that

00:55:58.560 --> 00:55:58.760
 to

00:55:58.760 --> 00:55:59.180
 planning

00:55:59.180 --> 00:55:59.540
 that

00:55:59.540 --> 00:55:59.680
 we

00:55:59.680 --> 00:55:59.780
 were

00:55:59.780 --> 00:55:59.880
 going

00:55:59.880 --> 00:55:59.960
 to

00:55:59.960 --> 00:56:00.300
 do

00:56:00.300 --> 00:56:00.800
 a

00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:01.080
 nine

00:56:01.080 --> 00:56:01.400
 o'clock

00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:01.960
 gathering

00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:02.740
 alone

00:56:02.740 --> 00:56:03.520
 in

00:56:03.520 --> 00:56:03.700
 our

00:56:03.700 --> 00:56:04.080
 house

00:56:04.080 --> 00:56:04.560
 and

00:56:04.560 --> 00:56:04.700
 then

00:56:04.700 --> 00:56:05.040
 go

00:56:05.040 --> 00:56:05.220
 to

00:56:05.220 --> 00:56:05.380
 the

00:56:05.380 --> 00:56:05.800
 church

00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:06.480
 and

00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:06.600
 do

00:56:06.600 --> 00:56:06.760
 our

00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:07.220
 service

00:56:07.220 --> 00:56:08.600
 so

00:56:08.600 --> 00:56:09.000
 treat

00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:09.200
 your

00:56:09.200 --> 00:56:09.660
 online

00:56:09.660 --> 00:56:10.160
 digital

00:56:10.160 --> 00:56:10.560
 as

00:56:10.560 --> 00:56:10.760
 its

00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:11.100
 own

00:56:11.100 --> 00:56:11.440
 church

00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:11.620
 or

00:56:11.620 --> 00:56:11.780
 its

00:56:11.780 --> 00:56:12.140
 own

00:56:12.140 --> 00:56:13.240
 service

00:56:13.240 --> 00:56:13.780
 don't

00:56:13.780 --> 00:56:14.600
 just

00:56:14.600 --> 00:56:15.160
 record

00:56:15.160 --> 00:56:15.320
 your

00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:15.540
 service

00:56:15.540 --> 00:56:15.640
 and

00:56:15.640 --> 00:56:15.740
 put

00:56:15.740 --> 00:56:16.000
 online

00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:16.480
 watch

00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:16.640
 it

00:56:16.640 --> 00:56:17.000
 you

00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:17.180
 can

00:56:17.180 --> 00:56:17.400
 do

00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:17.760
 that

00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:17.920
 if

00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:18.100
 that's

00:56:18.100 --> 00:56:18.200
 what

00:56:18.200 --> 00:56:18.320
 you

00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:18.720
 want

00:56:18.720 --> 00:56:19.520
 instead

00:56:19.520 --> 00:56:20.060
 if

00:56:20.060 --> 00:56:20.160
 you

00:56:20.160 --> 00:56:20.360
 have

00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:20.620
 money

00:56:20.620 --> 00:56:21.040
 hire

00:56:21.040 --> 00:56:21.360
 a

00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:21.760
 pastor

00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:22.460
 hire

00:56:22.460 --> 00:56:23.040
 somebody

00:56:23.040 --> 00:56:23.700
 and

00:56:23.700 --> 00:56:23.920
 make

00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:24.060
 them

00:56:24.060 --> 00:56:24.220
 your

00:56:24.220 --> 00:56:24.540
 digital

00:56:24.540 --> 00:56:25.060
 pastor

00:56:25.060 --> 00:56:25.620
 and

00:56:25.620 --> 00:56:25.980
 have

00:56:25.980 --> 00:56:26.400
 them

00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:27.640
 interact

00:56:27.640 --> 00:56:27.800
 and

00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:28.300
 engage

00:56:28.300 --> 00:56:28.420
 with

00:56:28.420 --> 00:56:28.580
 those

00:56:28.580 --> 00:56:28.820
 people

00:56:28.820 --> 00:56:29.280
 online

00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:29.980
 and

00:56:29.980 --> 00:56:30.120
 I

00:56:30.120 --> 00:56:30.320
 think

00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:30.580
 that

00:56:30.580 --> 00:56:31.160
 those

00:56:31.160 --> 00:56:31.260
 are

00:56:31.260 --> 00:56:31.460
 some

00:56:31.460 --> 00:56:31.660
 things

00:56:31.660 --> 00:56:31.800
 I

00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:31.960
 think

00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:32.540
 yeah

00:56:32.540 --> 00:56:32.800
 and

00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:33.040
 I'd

00:56:33.040 --> 00:56:33.160
 say

00:56:33.160 --> 00:56:33.340
 for

00:56:33.340 --> 00:56:33.540
 me

00:56:33.540 --> 00:56:33.960
 you

00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:34.060
 know

00:56:34.060 --> 00:56:34.200
 you

00:56:34.200 --> 00:56:34.340
 get

00:56:34.340 --> 00:56:34.460
 an

00:56:34.460 --> 00:56:34.780
 idea

00:56:34.780 --> 00:56:35.140
 a lot

00:56:35.140 --> 00:56:35.240
 of

00:56:35.240 --> 00:56:35.500
 times

00:56:35.500 --> 00:56:35.680
 it's

00:56:35.680 --> 00:56:35.780
 a

00:56:35.780 --> 00:56:35.920
 good

00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:36.260
 idea

00:56:36.260 --> 00:56:36.500
 but

00:56:36.500 --> 00:56:36.620
 you

00:56:36.620 --> 00:56:36.800
 don't

00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:37.000
 know

00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:37.160
 if

00:56:37.160 --> 00:56:37.260
 it

00:56:37.260 --> 00:56:37.460
 is

00:56:37.460 --> 00:56:37.580
 or

00:56:37.580 --> 00:56:37.760
 it's

00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:37.980
 not

00:56:37.980 --> 00:56:38.200
 until

00:56:38.200 --> 00:56:38.340
 you

00:56:38.340 --> 00:56:38.620
 try

00:56:38.620 --> 00:56:39.220
 you

00:56:39.220 --> 00:56:39.380
 know

00:56:39.380 --> 00:56:39.680
 we

00:56:39.680 --> 00:56:41.640
 superintendent

00:56:41.640 --> 00:56:42.120
 Michael

00:56:42.120 --> 00:56:42.560
 calls

00:56:42.560 --> 00:56:42.800
 us

00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:43.240
 figital

00:56:43.240 --> 00:56:43.660
 and

00:56:43.660 --> 00:56:43.800
 he

00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:44.000
 calls

00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:44.140
 us

00:56:44.140 --> 00:56:44.460
 figital

00:56:44.460 --> 00:56:44.760
 because

00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:44.980
 we

00:56:44.980 --> 00:56:45.340
 actually

00:56:45.340 --> 00:56:45.900
 have

00:56:45.900 --> 00:56:47.340
 people

00:56:47.340 --> 00:56:47.560
 we

00:56:47.560 --> 00:56:47.900
 encourage

00:56:47.900 --> 00:56:48.160
 people

00:56:48.160 --> 00:56:48.340
 to

00:56:48.340 --> 00:56:48.580
 gather

00:56:48.580 --> 00:56:48.980
 together

00:56:48.980 --> 00:56:49.280
 at

00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:49.440
 their

00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:49.700
 house

00:56:49.700 --> 00:56:49.860
 with

00:56:49.860 --> 00:56:50.020
 their

00:56:50.020 --> 00:56:50.260
 friends

00:56:50.260 --> 00:56:50.420
 and

00:56:50.420 --> 00:56:50.800
 family

00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:51.420
 have

00:56:51.420 --> 00:56:51.860
 food

00:56:51.860 --> 00:56:52.280
 and

00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:52.460
 do

00:56:52.460 --> 00:56:52.740
 hope

00:56:52.740 --> 00:56:52.880
 at

00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:52.980
 your

00:56:52.980 --> 00:56:53.220
 house

00:56:53.220 --> 00:56:53.320
 is

00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:53.420
 what

00:56:53.420 --> 00:56:53.560
 we

00:56:53.560 --> 00:56:53.700
 call

00:56:53.700 --> 00:56:53.920
 we

00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:54.100
 meet

00:56:54.100 --> 00:56:54.300
 we

00:56:54.300 --> 00:56:54.700
 actually

00:56:54.700 --> 00:56:54.960
 go to

00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:55.100
 about

00:56:55.100 --> 00:56:55.360
 seven

00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:55.560
 or eight

00:56:55.560 --> 00:56:55.740
 different

00:56:55.740 --> 00:56:56.200
 locations

00:56:56.200 --> 00:56:56.520
 yeah

00:56:56.520 --> 00:56:56.680
 and

00:56:56.680 --> 00:56:56.820
 then

00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:57.000
 we

00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:57.500
 travel

00:56:57.500 --> 00:56:57.780
 so

00:56:57.780 --> 00:56:57.940
 we

00:56:57.940 --> 00:56:58.140
 take

00:56:58.140 --> 00:56:58.420
 church

00:56:58.420 --> 00:56:58.580
 on

00:56:58.580 --> 00:56:58.700
 the

00:56:58.700 --> 00:56:58.960
 road

00:56:58.960 --> 00:56:59.320
 yeah

00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:00.020
 to

00:57:00.020 --> 00:57:00.500
 people's

00:57:00.500 --> 00:57:00.820
 houses

00:57:00.820 --> 00:57:01.160
 that

00:57:01.160 --> 00:57:01.280
 are

00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:01.680
 gathering

00:57:01.680 --> 00:57:02.320
 and

00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:02.780
 you

00:57:02.780 --> 00:57:03.000
 know

00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:03.240
 and

00:57:03.240 --> 00:57:03.500
 then

00:57:03.500 --> 00:57:04.240
 I

00:57:04.240 --> 00:57:04.400
 do

00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:04.520
 a

00:57:04.520 --> 00:57:04.740
 daily

00:57:04.740 --> 00:57:05.360
 devotional

00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:05.740
 every

00:57:05.740 --> 00:57:06.040
 day

00:57:06.040 --> 00:57:06.380
 it's

00:57:06.380 --> 00:57:06.660
 something

00:57:06.660 --> 00:57:06.960
 that

00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:07.260
 I'm

00:57:07.260 --> 00:57:07.440
 like

00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:07.980
 it's

00:57:07.980 --> 00:57:08.080
 an

00:57:08.080 --> 00:57:08.420
 idea

00:57:08.420 --> 00:57:08.800
 and

00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:09.040
 it's

00:57:09.040 --> 00:57:09.320
 taken

00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:09.720
 off

00:57:09.720 --> 00:57:10.180
 you

00:57:10.180 --> 00:57:10.280
 know

00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:10.420
 so

00:57:10.420 --> 00:57:10.760
 I'd

00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:10.900
 say

00:57:10.900 --> 00:57:11.220
 try

00:57:11.220 --> 00:57:11.640
 things

00:57:11.640 --> 00:57:11.780
 you

00:57:11.780 --> 00:57:11.880
 know

00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:12.020
 get

00:57:12.020 --> 00:57:12.160
 out

00:57:12.160 --> 00:57:12.240
 of

00:57:12.240 --> 00:57:12.340
 the

00:57:12.340 --> 00:57:12.620
 box

00:57:12.620 --> 00:57:12.840
 if

00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:13.040
 it's

00:57:13.040 --> 00:57:13.160
 an

00:57:13.160 --> 00:57:13.460
 idea

00:57:13.460 --> 00:57:14.200
 it

00:57:14.200 --> 00:57:14.460
 doesn't

00:57:14.460 --> 00:57:14.620
 hurt

00:57:14.620 --> 00:57:14.760
 to

00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:15.080
 try

00:57:15.080 --> 00:57:15.480
 it's

00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:15.780
 not

00:57:15.780 --> 00:57:15.900
 gonna

00:57:15.900 --> 00:57:16.140
 hurt

00:57:16.140 --> 00:57:16.460
 you

00:57:16.460 --> 00:57:16.540
 know

00:57:16.540 --> 00:57:16.640
 the

00:57:16.640 --> 00:57:16.800
 whole

00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:16.980
 thing

00:57:16.980 --> 00:57:17.120
 is

00:57:17.120 --> 00:57:17.380
 like

00:57:17.380 --> 00:57:17.900
 yeah

00:57:17.900 --> 00:57:18.060
 we

00:57:18.060 --> 00:57:18.240
 just

00:57:18.240 --> 00:57:18.660
 I

00:57:18.660 --> 00:57:18.780
 think

00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:19.000
 sometimes

00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:19.120
 in

00:57:19.120 --> 00:57:19.240
 the

00:57:19.240 --> 00:57:19.480
 church

00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:19.620
 we

00:57:19.620 --> 00:57:19.960
 stop

00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:20.300
 trying

00:57:20.300 --> 00:57:20.500
 because

00:57:20.500 --> 00:57:20.640
 we're

00:57:20.640 --> 00:57:20.780
 worried

00:57:20.780 --> 00:57:20.900
 about

00:57:20.900 --> 00:57:21.040
 what

00:57:33.500 --> 00:57:34.500
 there's

00:57:34.500 --> 00:57:35.540
 billions

00:57:35.540 --> 00:57:35.860
 of

00:57:35.860 --> 00:57:36.080
 people

00:57:36.080 --> 00:57:36.220
 in

00:57:36.220 --> 00:57:36.320
 the

00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:36.660
 world

00:57:36.660 --> 00:57:37.340
 you

00:57:37.340 --> 00:57:37.560
 will

00:57:37.560 --> 00:57:38.220
 connect

00:57:38.220 --> 00:57:38.740
 with

00:57:38.740 --> 00:57:39.380
 those

00:57:39.380 --> 00:57:40.160
 that

00:57:40.160 --> 00:57:40.660
 connect

00:57:40.660 --> 00:57:40.900
 with

00:57:40.900 --> 00:57:41.020
 you

00:57:41.020 --> 00:57:41.240
 some

00:57:41.240 --> 00:57:41.460
 reason

00:57:41.460 --> 00:57:41.760
 people

00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:42.040
 connect

00:57:42.040 --> 00:57:42.160
 with

00:57:42.160 --> 00:57:42.300
 me

00:57:42.300 --> 00:57:42.440
 because

00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:42.520
 I

00:57:42.520 --> 00:57:42.620
 have

00:57:42.620 --> 00:57:42.700
 a

00:57:42.700 --> 00:57:42.860
 bald

00:57:42.860 --> 00:57:43.060
 head

00:57:43.060 --> 00:57:44.180
 it

00:57:44.180 --> 00:57:44.520
 happens

00:57:44.520 --> 00:57:44.700
 right

00:57:44.700 --> 00:57:44.820
 I

00:57:44.820 --> 00:57:44.960
 don't

00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:45.080
 know

00:57:45.080 --> 00:57:45.340
 why

00:57:45.340 --> 00:57:45.720
 it's

00:57:45.720 --> 00:57:45.800
 just

00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:45.980
 the way

00:57:45.980 --> 00:57:46.300
 it is

00:57:46.300 --> 00:57:46.900
 and

00:57:46.900 --> 00:57:47.080
 so

00:57:47.080 --> 00:57:47.260
 I

00:57:47.260 --> 00:57:47.420
 think

00:57:47.420 --> 00:57:48.020
 it's

00:57:48.020 --> 00:57:48.220
 just

00:57:48.220 --> 00:57:48.920
 get

00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:49.120
 out

00:57:49.120 --> 00:57:49.280
 there

00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:49.440
 and

00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:49.720
 try

00:57:49.720 --> 00:57:49.860
 it

00:57:49.860 --> 00:57:50.120
 if

00:57:50.120 --> 00:57:50.280
 you're

00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:50.440
 a

00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:50.800
 person

00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:51.420
 that

00:57:51.420 --> 00:57:52.440
 again

00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:54.320
 3.8

00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:55.080
 billion

00:57:55.080 --> 00:57:55.740
 people

00:57:55.740 --> 00:57:56.440
 will

00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:56.760
 use

00:57:56.760 --> 00:57:57.140
 social

00:57:57.140 --> 00:57:57.520
 media

00:57:57.520 --> 00:57:58.560
 every

00:57:58.560 --> 00:57:59.560
 single

00:57:59.560 --> 00:58:00.420
 month

00:58:00.420 --> 00:58:01.180
 those

00:58:01.180 --> 00:58:01.320
 are

00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:01.980
 active

00:58:01.980 --> 00:58:02.560
 users

00:58:02.560 --> 00:58:03.920
 I'm

00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:04.180
 sure

00:58:04.180 --> 00:58:04.600
 that

00:58:04.600 --> 00:58:04.780
 one

00:58:04.780 --> 00:58:04.900
 of

00:58:04.900 --> 00:58:05.080
 us

00:58:05.080 --> 00:58:05.240
 can

00:58:05.240 --> 00:58:05.460
 reach

00:58:05.460 --> 00:58:05.740
 about

00:58:05.740 --> 00:58:06.140
 20

00:58:06.140 --> 00:58:06.440
 people

00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:06.840
 okay

00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:07.060
 let's

00:58:07.060 --> 00:58:07.260
 do it

00:58:07.260 --> 00:58:07.840
 and I

00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:08.080
 think

00:58:08.080 --> 00:58:08.700
 that's

00:58:08.700 --> 00:58:08.860
 so

00:58:08.860 --> 00:58:09.080
 good

00:58:09.080 --> 00:58:10.740
 the great

00:58:10.740 --> 00:58:10.920
 thing

00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:11.120
 about

00:58:11.120 --> 00:58:11.340
 a

00:58:11.340 --> 00:58:11.640
 digital

00:58:11.640 --> 00:58:11.920
 church

00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:12.040
 is

00:58:12.040 --> 00:58:12.160
 we're

00:58:12.160 --> 00:58:12.260
 a

00:58:12.260 --> 00:58:12.400
 church

00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:12.640
 without

00:58:12.640 --> 00:58:13.060
 walls

00:58:13.060 --> 00:58:13.740
 it

00:58:13.740 --> 00:58:14.060
 also

00:58:14.060 --> 00:58:14.440
 means

00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:14.800
 that

00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:15.180
 there's

00:58:15.180 --> 00:58:15.380
 no

00:58:15.380 --> 00:58:15.780
 time

00:58:15.780 --> 00:58:15.980
 or

00:58:15.980 --> 00:58:16.520
 space

00:58:16.520 --> 00:58:17.160
 and

00:58:17.160 --> 00:58:17.420
 so

00:58:17.420 --> 00:58:17.780
 there's

00:58:17.780 --> 00:58:18.000
 one

00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:18.120
 other

00:58:18.120 --> 00:58:18.400
 thing

00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:18.540
 that

00:58:18.540 --> 00:58:18.660
 I

00:58:18.660 --> 00:58:18.980
 definitely

00:58:18.980 --> 00:58:19.180
 want

00:58:19.180 --> 00:58:19.260
 to

00:58:19.260 --> 00:58:19.740
 encourage

00:58:19.740 --> 00:58:20.060
 church

00:58:20.060 --> 00:58:20.460
 planters

00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:20.660
 and

00:58:20.660 --> 00:58:20.940
 digital

00:58:20.940 --> 00:58:21.340
 pastors

00:58:21.340 --> 00:58:22.100
 is

00:58:22.100 --> 00:58:22.260
 you

00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:22.520
 have

00:58:22.520 --> 00:58:22.680
 to

00:58:22.680 --> 00:58:23.020
 learn

00:58:23.020 --> 00:58:23.760
 to

00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:24.500
 it's

00:58:24.500 --> 00:58:24.820
 okay

00:58:24.820 --> 00:58:25.340
 to turn

00:58:25.340 --> 00:58:25.520
 your

00:58:25.520 --> 00:58:25.760
 phone

00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:26.060
 off

00:58:26.060 --> 00:58:26.240
 to

00:58:26.240 --> 00:58:26.420
 turn

00:58:26.420 --> 00:58:26.560
 your

00:58:26.560 --> 00:58:27.000
 computer

00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:27.360
 off

00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:28.040
 and

00:58:28.040 --> 00:58:28.160
 to

00:58:28.160 --> 00:58:28.380
 take

00:58:28.380 --> 00:58:28.620
 a

00:58:28.620 --> 00:58:28.840
 break

00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:29.280
 and

00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:29.660
 that's

00:58:29.660 --> 00:58:29.900
 something

00:58:29.900 --> 00:58:30.220
 that I

00:58:30.220 --> 00:58:30.760
 don't

00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:31.180
 I like

00:58:31.180 --> 00:58:31.520
 to do

00:58:31.520 --> 00:58:31.840
 lists

00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:32.300
 and so

00:58:32.300 --> 00:58:32.700
 if I

00:58:32.700 --> 00:58:32.980
 can't

00:58:32.980 --> 00:58:33.220
 cross

00:58:33.220 --> 00:58:33.460
 things

00:58:33.460 --> 00:58:33.740
 off

00:58:33.740 --> 00:58:34.320
 you know

00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:34.840
 answer

00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:35.420
 every

00:58:35.420 --> 00:58:35.960
 person

00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:36.300
 connect

00:58:36.300 --> 00:58:36.500
 with

00:58:36.500 --> 00:58:36.680
 every

00:58:36.680 --> 00:58:36.940
 person

00:58:36.940 --> 00:58:37.180
 it's

00:58:37.180 --> 00:58:37.380
 hard

00:58:37.380 --> 00:58:37.800
 for me

00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:38.320
 but

00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:38.440
 I

00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:38.740
 also

00:58:38.740 --> 00:58:39.320
 understand

00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:39.680
 that

00:58:39.680 --> 00:58:39.940
 for

00:58:39.940 --> 00:58:40.100
 me

00:58:40.100 --> 00:58:40.220
 to

00:58:40.220 --> 00:58:40.360
 be

00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:40.720
 healthy

00:58:40.720 --> 00:58:41.060
 I

00:58:41.060 --> 00:58:41.300
 have

00:58:41.300 --> 00:58:41.440
 to

00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:41.640
 shut

00:58:41.640 --> 00:58:41.840
 that

00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:42.140
 off

00:58:42.140 --> 00:58:42.580
 I

00:58:42.580 --> 00:58:42.780
 have

00:58:42.780 --> 00:58:42.880
 to

00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:43.020
 give

00:58:43.020 --> 00:58:43.340
 time

00:58:43.340 --> 00:58:43.540
 for

00:58:43.540 --> 00:58:43.860
 this

00:58:43.860 --> 00:58:44.020
 I

00:58:44.020 --> 00:58:44.220
 have

00:58:44.220 --> 00:58:44.320
 to

00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:44.480
 give

00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:44.740
 time

00:58:44.740 --> 00:58:44.900
 for

00:58:44.900 --> 00:58:45.080
 other

00:58:45.080 --> 00:58:45.420
 things

00:58:45.420 --> 00:58:45.880
 and so

00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:46.460
 you

00:58:46.460 --> 00:58:46.660
 know

00:58:46.660 --> 00:58:47.060
 you

00:58:47.060 --> 00:58:47.460
 have

00:58:47.460 --> 00:58:47.820
 to

00:58:47.820 --> 00:58:48.280
 have

00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:48.880
 boundaries

00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:50.360
 with

00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:50.640
 a

00:58:50.640 --> 00:58:51.000
 church

00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:51.360
 that

00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:51.660
 really

00:58:51.660 --> 00:58:51.980
 has

00:58:51.980 --> 00:58:52.180
 no

00:58:52.180 --> 00:58:52.640
 boundaries

00:58:52.640 --> 00:58:53.500
 there's

00:58:53.500 --> 00:58:53.660
 no

00:58:53.660 --> 00:58:54.020
 physical

00:58:54.020 --> 00:58:54.480
 boundaries

00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:54.860
 there's

00:58:54.860 --> 00:58:55.020
 no

00:58:55.020 --> 00:58:55.360
 time

00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:55.560
 no

00:58:55.560 --> 00:58:56.040
 space

00:58:56.040 --> 00:58:56.560
 and

00:58:56.560 --> 00:58:56.720
 so

00:58:56.720 --> 00:58:57.240
 creating

00:58:57.240 --> 00:58:57.560
 those

00:58:57.560 --> 00:58:57.820
 things

00:58:57.820 --> 00:58:57.960
 is

00:58:57.960 --> 00:58:58.100
 going

00:58:58.100 --> 00:58:58.260
 to

00:58:58.260 --> 00:58:58.460
 keep

00:58:58.460 --> 00:58:58.640
 you

00:58:58.640 --> 00:58:58.980
 healthy

00:58:58.980 --> 00:58:59.260
 we

00:58:59.260 --> 00:58:59.500
 become

00:58:59.500 --> 00:58:59.640
 a

00:58:59.640 --> 00:59:00.220
 24

00:59:00.220 --> 00:59:00.620
 7

00:59:00.620 --> 00:59:01.700
 365

00:59:01.700 --> 00:59:02.020
 days

00:59:02.020 --> 00:59:02.120
 a

00:59:02.120 --> 00:59:02.280
 year

00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:03.380
 and

00:59:03.380 --> 00:59:03.700
 it's

00:59:03.700 --> 00:59:04.960
 real

00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:05.640
 and

00:59:05.640 --> 00:59:05.820
 that's

00:59:05.820 --> 00:59:05.940
 why

00:59:05.940 --> 00:59:06.160
 a lot

00:59:06.160 --> 00:59:06.260
 of

00:59:06.260 --> 00:59:06.540
 pastors

00:59:06.540 --> 00:59:06.880
 burned

00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:07.100
 out

00:59:07.100 --> 00:59:07.380
 somewhere

00:59:07.380 --> 00:59:07.840
 around

00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:08.320
 May

00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:09.100
 2020

00:59:09.100 --> 00:59:10.600
 because

00:59:10.600 --> 00:59:10.900
 they

00:59:10.900 --> 00:59:11.460
 couldn't

00:59:11.460 --> 00:59:11.840
 wrestle

00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:12.340
 with

00:59:12.340 --> 00:59:12.600
 they

00:59:12.600 --> 00:59:12.760
 were

00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:13.140
 trying

00:59:13.140 --> 00:59:13.340
 to

00:59:13.340 --> 00:59:13.480
 do

00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:13.620
 the

00:59:13.620 --> 00:59:13.900
 physical

00:59:13.900 --> 00:59:14.480
 ministry

00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:15.220
 in

00:59:15.220 --> 00:59:15.560
 digital

00:59:15.560 --> 00:59:16.020
 spaces

00:59:16.020 --> 00:59:16.260
 and

00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:16.340
 they

00:59:16.340 --> 00:59:16.440
 were

00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:16.680
 trying

00:59:16.680 --> 00:59:16.840
 to

00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:17.100
 keep

00:59:17.100 --> 00:59:17.300
 up

00:59:17.300 --> 00:59:17.620
 that

00:59:17.620 --> 00:59:18.080
 24

00:59:18.080 --> 00:59:18.520
 7

00:59:18.520 --> 00:59:19.580
 instead

00:59:19.580 --> 00:59:20.040
 of

00:59:20.040 --> 00:59:21.020
 putting

00:59:21.020 --> 00:59:21.440
 it's

00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:21.620
 funny

00:59:21.620 --> 00:59:21.840
 I've

00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:22.100
 got

00:59:22.100 --> 00:59:22.700
 I

00:59:22.700 --> 00:59:23.080
 think

00:59:23.080 --> 00:59:23.200
 I've

00:59:23.200 --> 00:59:23.400
 talked

00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:23.580
 about

00:59:23.580 --> 00:59:23.680
 on

00:59:23.680 --> 00:59:23.780
 the

00:59:23.780 --> 00:59:23.900
 show

00:59:23.900 --> 00:59:24.300
 before

00:59:24.300 --> 00:59:24.860
 I

00:59:24.860 --> 00:59:25.060
 bought

00:59:25.060 --> 00:59:25.240
 one

00:59:25.240 --> 00:59:25.320
 of

00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:25.520
 those

00:59:25.520 --> 00:59:26.040
 time

00:59:26.040 --> 00:59:26.280
 out

00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:26.760
 safes

00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:27.280
 that

00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:28.420
 when

00:59:28.420 --> 00:59:28.620
 the

00:59:28.620 --> 00:59:28.840
 kids

00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:28.980
 are

00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:29.480
 bad

00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:29.680
 and

00:59:29.680 --> 00:59:29.780
 you

00:59:29.780 --> 00:59:29.920
 want

00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:29.980
 to

00:59:29.980 --> 00:59:30.120
 take

00:59:30.120 --> 00:59:30.260
 the

00:59:30.260 --> 00:59:30.480
 iPad

00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:31.060
 away

00:59:31.060 --> 00:59:31.940
 it's

00:59:31.940 --> 00:59:32.120
 like

00:59:32.120 --> 00:59:32.280
 a

00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:32.600
 locking

00:59:32.600 --> 00:59:33.120
 mechanism

00:59:33.120 --> 00:59:33.360
 on

00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:33.500
 the

00:59:33.500 --> 00:59:33.760
 lid

00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:34.500
 and

00:59:34.500 --> 00:59:34.640
 so

00:59:34.640 --> 00:59:34.780
 I

00:59:34.780 --> 00:59:35.080
 bought

00:59:35.080 --> 00:59:35.380
 that

00:59:35.380 --> 00:59:35.580
 to

00:59:35.580 --> 00:59:35.740
 try

00:59:35.740 --> 00:59:35.880
 to

00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:36.380
 penalize

00:59:36.380 --> 00:59:36.560
 the

00:59:36.560 --> 00:59:37.160
 kids

00:59:37.160 --> 00:59:38.400
 and

00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:38.740
 I've

00:59:38.740 --> 00:59:38.860
 got

00:59:38.860 --> 00:59:39.060
 good

00:59:39.060 --> 00:59:39.380
 kids

00:59:39.380 --> 00:59:39.580
 so

00:59:39.580 --> 00:59:39.660
 I

00:59:39.660 --> 00:59:39.820
 never

00:59:39.820 --> 00:59:40.080
 actually

00:59:40.080 --> 00:59:40.620
 penalized

00:59:40.620 --> 00:59:40.740
 them

00:59:40.740 --> 00:59:40.860
 the

00:59:40.860 --> 00:59:41.040
 only

00:59:41.040 --> 00:59:41.520
 device

00:59:41.520 --> 00:59:41.700
 that

00:59:41.700 --> 00:59:41.920
 goes

00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:42.040
 in

00:59:42.040 --> 00:59:42.200
 this

00:59:42.200 --> 00:59:42.460
 thing

00:59:42.460 --> 00:59:42.940
 is

00:59:42.940 --> 00:59:43.120
 my

00:59:43.120 --> 00:59:43.380
 phone

00:59:43.380 --> 00:59:43.520
 and

00:59:43.520 --> 00:59:43.680
 my

00:59:43.680 --> 00:59:44.060
 watch

00:59:44.060 --> 00:59:45.160
 when

00:59:45.160 --> 00:59:45.380
 it's

00:59:45.380 --> 00:59:45.760
 like

00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:46.140
 hey

00:59:46.140 --> 00:59:46.520
 I

00:59:46.520 --> 00:59:47.080
 need

00:59:47.080 --> 00:59:47.220
 a

00:59:47.220 --> 00:59:47.460
 time

00:59:47.460 --> 00:59:47.700
 out

00:59:47.700 --> 00:59:48.000
 from

00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.040
 ministry

00:59:49.040 --> 00:59:49.500
 and

00:59:49.500 --> 00:59:49.940
 life

00:59:49.940 --> 00:59:50.300
 and

00:59:50.300 --> 00:59:50.560
 I

00:59:50.560 --> 00:59:50.740
 need

00:59:50.740 --> 00:59:51.220
 space

00:59:51.220 --> 00:59:51.880
 and

00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:52.100
 so

00:59:52.100 --> 00:59:52.260
 I'm

00:59:52.260 --> 00:59:52.440
 just

00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:52.600
 going

00:59:52.600 --> 00:59:52.760
 to

00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:53.180
 lock

00:59:53.180 --> 00:59:53.280
 it

00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:53.380
 up

00:59:53.380 --> 00:59:53.460
 and

00:59:53.460 --> 00:59:53.520
 it

00:59:53.520 --> 00:59:53.640
 was

00:59:53.640 --> 00:59:53.860
 funny

00:59:53.860 --> 00:59:54.000
 I

00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:54.280
 remember

00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:54.580
 the

00:59:54.580 --> 00:59:54.780
 first

00:59:54.780 --> 00:59:54.960
 time

00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:55.060
 I

00:59:55.060 --> 00:59:55.240
 did

00:59:55.240 --> 00:59:55.360
 it

00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:55.500
 my

00:59:55.500 --> 00:59:56.080
 wife

00:59:56.080 --> 00:59:56.680
 freaked

00:59:56.680 --> 00:59:56.940
 out

00:59:56.940 --> 00:59:57.060
 on

00:59:57.060 --> 00:59:57.140
 me

00:59:57.140 --> 00:59:57.340
 a little

00:59:57.340 --> 00:59:57.580
 bit

00:59:57.580 --> 00:59:58.120
 she's

00:59:58.120 --> 00:59:58.220
 like

00:59:58.220 --> 00:59:58.320
 what

00:59:58.320 --> 00:59:58.640
 happens

00:59:58.640 --> 00:59:58.760
 if

00:59:58.760 --> 00:59:58.960
 there's

00:59:58.960 --> 00:59:59.260
 emergency

00:59:59.260 --> 00:59:59.480
 what

00:59:59.480 --> 00:59:59.820
 happens

00:59:59.820 --> 00:59:59.940
 and

00:59:59.940 --> 01:00:00.080
 I'm

01:00:00.080 --> 01:00:00.240
 like

01:00:00.240 --> 01:00:00.880
 life

01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:01.060
 will

01:00:01.060 --> 01:00:01.220
 go

01:00:01.220 --> 01:00:01.580
 on

01:00:01.580 --> 01:00:02.200
 people

01:00:02.200 --> 01:00:02.420
 will

01:00:02.420 --> 01:00:02.740
 call

01:00:02.740 --> 01:00:03.160
 you

01:00:03.160 --> 01:00:03.800
 I

01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:04.220
 have

01:00:04.220 --> 01:00:04.560
 access

01:00:04.560 --> 01:00:04.780
 to

01:00:04.780 --> 01:00:04.940
 my

01:00:04.940 --> 01:00:05.300
 computer

01:00:05.300 --> 01:00:05.540
 but

01:00:05.540 --> 01:00:05.680
 I

01:00:05.680 --> 01:00:06.080
 need

01:00:06.080 --> 01:00:06.260
 to

01:00:06.260 --> 01:00:06.720
 not

01:00:06.720 --> 01:00:06.960
 be

01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:07.360
 connected

01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:07.600
 to

01:00:07.600 --> 01:00:07.800
 that

01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:08.140
 stuff

01:00:08.140 --> 01:00:08.420
 and

01:00:08.420 --> 01:00:08.720
 so

01:00:08.720 --> 01:00:09.720
 having

01:00:09.720 --> 01:00:09.920
 that

01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:10.420
 opportunity

01:00:10.420 --> 01:00:10.680
 giving

01:00:10.680 --> 01:00:11.020
 yourself

01:00:11.020 --> 01:00:11.420
 permission

01:00:11.420 --> 01:00:11.620
 to

01:00:11.620 --> 01:00:11.780
 have

01:00:11.780 --> 01:00:12.180
 space

01:00:12.180 --> 01:00:12.400
 yeah

01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:12.560
 we

01:00:12.560 --> 01:00:12.800
 do

01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:13.320
 we've

01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:13.480
 talked

01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:13.740
 a lot

01:00:13.740 --> 01:00:13.980
 about

01:00:13.980 --> 01:00:14.280
 mental

01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:14.660
 health

01:00:14.660 --> 01:00:14.960
 Mindy

01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:15.440
 Caliguire

01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:15.740
 has been

01:00:15.740 --> 01:00:16.080
 on

01:00:16.080 --> 01:00:17.280
 from

01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:18.200
 soulcare.com

01:00:18.200 --> 01:00:18.800
 and we've

01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:19.460
 touched on

01:00:19.460 --> 01:00:19.780
 that

01:00:19.780 --> 01:00:20.400
 a lot

01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:20.660
 and so

01:00:20.660 --> 01:00:20.960
 those are

01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:21.400
 great

01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:22.060
 conversations

01:00:22.060 --> 01:00:23.100
 just like

01:00:23.100 --> 01:00:23.540
 this one

01:00:23.540 --> 01:00:24.000
 has been

01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:24.340
 like

01:00:24.340 --> 01:00:24.740
 oh my

01:00:24.740 --> 01:00:25.360
 gosh

01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:26.120
 I could

01:00:26.120 --> 01:00:26.500
 literally

01:00:26.500 --> 01:00:27.040
 just keep

01:00:27.040 --> 01:00:27.620
 asking you

01:00:27.620 --> 01:00:27.960
 questions

01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:28.220
 this has

01:00:28.220 --> 01:00:28.320
 been

01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:28.560
 awesome

01:00:28.560 --> 01:00:28.760
 we're

01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:28.840
 gonna

01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:28.980
 have

01:00:28.980 --> 01:00:29.060
 to

01:00:29.060 --> 01:00:29.180
 do

01:00:29.180 --> 01:00:29.280
 it

01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:29.580
 again

01:00:29.580 --> 01:00:30.740
 but

01:00:30.740 --> 01:00:31.040
 this

01:00:31.040 --> 01:00:31.260
 has

01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:31.660
 been

01:00:31.660 --> 01:00:32.060
 a

01:00:32.060 --> 01:00:32.960
 phenomenal

01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:33.240
 I

01:00:33.240 --> 01:00:33.380
 didn't

01:00:33.380 --> 01:00:33.540
 even

01:00:33.540 --> 01:00:33.840
 realize

01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:33.960
 you

01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:34.060
 were

01:00:34.060 --> 01:00:34.200
 doing

01:00:39.720 --> 01:00:40.060
 that

01:00:40.060 --> 01:00:40.480
 I've

01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:40.680
 used

01:00:40.680 --> 01:00:40.960
 a lot

01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:41.060
 in

01:00:41.060 --> 01:00:41.180
 the

01:00:41.180 --> 01:00:41.380
 season

01:00:41.380 --> 01:00:41.560
 so

01:00:41.560 --> 01:00:41.720
 I

01:00:41.720 --> 01:00:42.100
 love

01:00:42.100 --> 01:00:42.380
 that

01:00:42.380 --> 01:00:43.060
 people

01:00:43.060 --> 01:00:43.500
 within

01:00:43.500 --> 01:00:43.820
 your

01:00:43.820 --> 01:00:44.720
 organization

01:00:44.720 --> 01:00:45.260
 and

01:00:45.260 --> 01:00:45.620
 coaching

01:00:45.620 --> 01:00:45.820
 have

01:00:45.820 --> 01:00:46.060
 been

01:00:46.060 --> 01:00:46.360
 kind

01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:46.520
 of

01:00:46.520 --> 01:00:47.220
 directing

01:00:47.220 --> 01:00:47.420
 you

01:00:47.420 --> 01:00:47.520
 in

01:00:47.520 --> 01:00:47.680
 that

01:00:47.680 --> 01:00:47.940
 way

01:00:47.940 --> 01:00:48.340
 having

01:00:48.340 --> 01:00:48.840
 digital

01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:49.240
 church

01:00:49.240 --> 01:00:49.520
 drive

01:00:49.520 --> 01:00:49.800
 towards

01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:50.140
 physical

01:00:50.140 --> 01:00:50.620
 ministry

01:00:50.620 --> 01:00:51.660
 is

01:00:51.660 --> 01:00:52.580
 huge

01:00:52.580 --> 01:00:52.780
 could

01:00:52.780 --> 01:00:52.980
 spend

01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:53.180
 like

01:00:53.180 --> 01:00:53.320
 an

01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:53.540
 hour

01:00:53.540 --> 01:00:53.800
 just

01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:54.100
 talking

01:00:54.100 --> 01:00:54.340
 about

01:00:54.340 --> 01:00:54.600
 that

01:00:54.600 --> 01:00:54.760
 and

01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:55.040
 digging

01:00:55.040 --> 01:00:55.320
 into

01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:55.620
 y'all's

01:00:55.620 --> 01:00:56.000
 approach

01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:56.300
 but

01:00:56.300 --> 01:00:56.900
 we

01:00:56.900 --> 01:00:57.080
 will

01:00:57.080 --> 01:00:57.240
 have

01:00:57.240 --> 01:00:57.380
 to

01:00:57.380 --> 01:00:57.600
 do

01:00:57.600 --> 01:00:57.940
 that

01:00:57.940 --> 01:00:58.660
 again

01:00:58.660 --> 01:00:58.860
 and

01:00:58.860 --> 01:00:59.040
 so

01:00:59.040 --> 01:00:59.300
 hey

01:00:59.300 --> 01:01:00.180
 Jared

01:01:00.180 --> 01:01:00.620
 Angie

01:01:00.620 --> 01:01:00.860
 I

01:01:00.860 --> 01:01:01.060
 have

01:01:01.060 --> 01:01:01.520
 loved

01:01:01.520 --> 01:01:01.700
 this

01:01:01.700 --> 01:01:02.220
 conversation

01:01:02.220 --> 01:01:02.580
 loved

01:01:02.580 --> 01:01:02.860
 you

01:01:02.860 --> 01:01:03.800
 being

01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:03.940
 a

01:01:03.940 --> 01:01:04.140
 part

01:01:04.140 --> 01:01:04.220
 of

01:01:04.220 --> 01:01:04.360
 this

01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:04.580
 taking

01:01:04.580 --> 01:01:04.740
 the

01:01:04.740 --> 01:01:05.080
 time

01:01:05.080 --> 01:01:05.500
 here

01:01:05.500 --> 01:01:06.380
 to

01:01:06.380 --> 01:01:06.680
 jump

01:01:06.680 --> 01:01:06.880
 in

01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:07.040
 if

01:01:07.040 --> 01:01:07.900
 somebody

01:01:07.900 --> 01:01:08.160
 wanted

01:01:08.160 --> 01:01:08.340
 to

01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:08.560
 check

01:01:08.560 --> 01:01:08.720
 out

01:01:08.720 --> 01:01:08.900
 by

01:01:08.900 --> 01:01:09.000
 the

01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:09.200
 way

01:01:09.200 --> 01:01:09.960
 Facebook

01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:10.480
 if

01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:10.880
 all

01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:11.060
 the

01:01:11.060 --> 01:01:11.320
 users

01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:11.520
 of

01:01:11.520 --> 01:01:11.780
 Facebook

01:01:11.780 --> 01:01:12.260
 were

01:01:12.260 --> 01:01:12.820
 a

01:01:12.820 --> 01:01:13.080
 nation

01:01:13.080 --> 01:01:13.220
 it

01:01:13.220 --> 01:01:13.260
 would

01:01:13.260 --> 01:01:13.360
 be

01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:13.500
 the

01:01:13.500 --> 01:01:13.720
 largest

01:01:13.720 --> 01:01:14.060
 nation

01:01:14.060 --> 01:01:14.220
 on

01:01:14.220 --> 01:01:14.320
 the

01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:14.540
 planet

01:01:14.540 --> 01:01:15.680
 so

01:01:15.680 --> 01:01:16.160
 you

01:01:16.160 --> 01:01:16.260
 know

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 about

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 the

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 reaching

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 so

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 there's

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 plenty

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 love

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 go to

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 2023

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 our

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 totally

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 want

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 to

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 have

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 that

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 leadership

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 conversation

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 well

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 so

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 we

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 will

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 come

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 around

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 so

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 much

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 and

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 I

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 love

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 the

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 intentionality

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 and even

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 the

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 humility

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 as

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 you're

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 talking

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 about

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 growing

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 and

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 expanding

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 and

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 doing

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 ministry

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 and

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 digital

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 space

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 it's

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 been

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 a

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 beautiful

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 conversation

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 so

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 but

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 we

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 got

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 to

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 wrap

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 because

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 life

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 goes

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 on

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 so

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 for

01:03:04.520 --> 01:03:05.780
 Jared

01:03:05.780 --> 01:03:06.000
 for

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 Angie

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 this

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 is

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 Jeff

01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:06.980
 with

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 the

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 church

01:03:07.300 --> 01:03:07.700
 digital

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 and

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 state

01:03:08.340 --> 01:03:08.640
 church

01:03:08.640 --> 01:03:12.420
 planning. Thanks for joining us here at the pod. We'll see you next time here at the show. Y'all

01:03:12.420 --> 01:03:12.760
 have a good day.