WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:19.980 Well, I tell you what, listening audience, I'm excited about this episode. We've got Jake Earhart. I promise you, you've never heard of this kid before, but he's awesome. So he hit me up through the website for the first time, never heard of him. I just get this form through the website that says, hey, I run a discipleship ministry for video gamers, and I'd like to talk to you. 00:00:20.040 --> 00:00:37.280 And I'll tell you right there, I paused. Discipleship ministry for video gamers. I don't know that I've ever seen those words together on the same page before, and it made me want to talk to him as soon as possible, and I did. And I got to tell you, I was really impressed. Talk about unconventional ministry, right? 00:00:37.280 --> 00:01:02.960 This kid is literally doing discipleship, teaching people to share their faith so that they can reach into the video game community using tools like Discord. And if you're like me, I barely knew what Discord was. And this person, Jake, is literally doing this, is discipling others to share their faith through video games like Xbox and PlayStation. Like, how awesome is this? 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:25.840 So you're going to love this episode. Talk about a crazy idea. Look for a unique perspective in how to do biblical community, how to create a discipleship community. This is it. Here's Jake Earhart, myself, and of course, Ray DeArmas from Christ Fellowship Miami on how to create a discipleship community for video gamers. Here's Ray. 00:01:25.960 --> 00:01:53.900 When I heard what you've been doing. I was just blown away because I'd seen kind of a vision for this and seen the community gather just from the little bit that I'd seen online. Yeah, I love the game, but I'm not like in the community like this, but I knew that there was such a strong pool that if other people could see what you're doing, you know, my prayer is that this inspires them for what could be, you know, are just not going to get it. But if at least they can get a vision for man, but there are people in my community, a passion for this, and I can empower them. 00:01:54.380 --> 00:01:54.820 Right. 00:01:54.820 --> 00:01:57.700 Or doing the same thing. That, that to me is the big one. 00:01:58.440 --> 00:02:12.480 Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. It's, it is just like, it's people, you know, like it, it's, it's the thought of like, this is a group of people that have been almost pushed out of church at some point in time. 00:02:12.860 --> 00:02:34.740 Because like, I know I grew up with, um, I grew up with like Atari games because my parents weren't sure about gaming. It was like, I don't know that that might be from the devil. We haven't decided yet. Like, and so, um, they had an Atari, but it was like, we're, we don't think we want him to play games. 00:02:34.740 --> 00:02:50.940 Because I don't know, my dad was a, was a church planner. My mom was a, uh, worship leader. And so they both were like, yeah, this is, we're not sure. And since we don't know, we're just going to err on the caution side, kind of the same way people did with movies and stuff. 00:02:51.180 --> 00:03:03.520 And so, um, I, the, that's where the rule of like, you have to beat the game started was Atari because Atari was way before my time, way before my time, but it was before my time. Yeah. 00:03:03.600 --> 00:03:04.780 It was way before your time. 00:03:05.220 --> 00:03:06.280 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:03:06.420 --> 00:03:08.160 It looks like it was my time. Yes. 00:03:08.340 --> 00:03:10.140 You're, you're a 90s baby. No, I mean, come on. 00:03:10.260 --> 00:03:17.820 Right. Right. But that's what I grew up with was Atari. You know, I played Atari because that's, my parents weren't going to buy anything new. And so I had a whole suitcase of Atari games. 00:03:17.820 --> 00:03:22.540 So I've probably beaten more Atari games than like most people have beaten Atari games. 00:03:22.820 --> 00:03:27.580 And I played through like E.T. That game sucks. That's, I've beat it. 00:03:27.580 --> 00:03:29.180 It's one of the worst games of all time. 00:03:29.380 --> 00:03:29.580 Yeah. 00:03:30.320 --> 00:03:31.300 I had it. 00:03:31.760 --> 00:03:32.560 No, it's awful. 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:34.040 It's, it's terrible. 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:43.840 It's an awful game. It's an awful game. And, and like the goal, like you go down to the pit and then you gotta like stretch your neck out and you like go back up and it's RNG, like half of the game. 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:55.500 It's so bad. But like that game, like I figured out, I don't even know how I figured out how to beat that game. Like I know the, you know, there's like the glitch in adventure and stuff like that. 00:03:55.500 --> 00:04:02.180 And Joust, we played a Joust all the time. That's kind of where I convinced my dad that it was good because we would play together mode. 00:04:02.180 --> 00:04:11.600 And it was like, you know, okay, we're, I see community here and stuff. And, um, as, as we went, then people would kind of gift us systems. 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:25.420 So I'm like 27, but the, the games I played in, in gaming terms was like Atari. And then I played Sega and then I played Nintendo and got, you know, Zelda and, and I got a Game Boy when it came out. 00:04:25.420 --> 00:04:37.360 And it was, it was like, I've gone through the whole process from the actual start to the end, uh, where we're at now in the order, probably more better than most people have. 00:04:37.440 --> 00:04:41.920 Um, at least for sure my age, cause people just were like, yeah, I had a 64 from the time I was young. 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:48.800 You know, it's like, Oh, okay. Well, you know, I didn't, I didn't deal with that. I had, you know, Spider-Man and pitfall, you know, or whatever. 00:04:49.180 --> 00:05:01.400 So what kind of community are you seeing come out of this? Because it's, it's kind of crazy to imagine that people not only are, are jumping into it, but really making it something where they're talking about it. 00:05:01.400 --> 00:05:07.620 And, and it's introducing like this whole new space where they can move and interact and be, and be themselves, which is great. 00:05:08.520 --> 00:05:17.080 Yeah. Um, yeah, uh, community wise, we're seeing, uh, uh, ridiculous amount of community. 00:05:17.080 --> 00:05:23.740 Uh, we're, we are seeing it anyway, because it's like a natural thing. 00:05:23.740 --> 00:05:39.400 I think, um, when people, when people do something they love, especially something that is already geared towards multiplayer, something that's already geared towards like interaction, you're going to want to interact with other people. 00:05:39.400 --> 00:05:41.320 I think it's kind of like, kind of natural. 00:05:41.580 --> 00:05:45.860 Like we see, we see groups of people that they want to talk about movies. 00:05:46.420 --> 00:06:01.700 Um, and that makes sense because like a lot of stuff happens in movies, but when the, when the actual thing is interactive by nature and multiplayer, I mean, it, it's like, of course you're going to see community. 00:06:01.700 --> 00:06:05.740 Like you should, you totally should, it, it just makes natural sense. 00:06:05.740 --> 00:06:16.100 But, um, the community that, that, that we're building, um, is it's like, uh, it's a very positive environment. 00:06:16.640 --> 00:06:21.420 Um, but it's also a very open, uh, chat. 00:06:21.420 --> 00:06:32.100 And I think like our original goal was it for it to just be really, really positive and it's moved more into like what people need, at least the people that are in our group. 00:06:32.100 --> 00:06:38.940 Cause like I was saying, there's no one, like you can go with one thing in mind and just, you know, this is what's needed. 00:06:38.940 --> 00:06:51.400 Uh, and what people really need was just open, like people being willing to hear what they're saying and accept it as like a human emotion. 00:06:51.420 --> 00:07:17.100 Or, uh, the way that they feel and it, and it's like, yeah, I, I acknowledge that what you just said has worth and, uh, thank you for like letting me hear that, you know, and that's such a small thing, but, um, yeah, like it's funny because when we're talking about like, uh, when I'm thinking about positivity, uh, if you've watched, did you watch the Mr. Rogers movie? 00:07:17.660 --> 00:07:18.360 Not yet. 00:07:18.460 --> 00:07:19.000 It's killing me. 00:07:19.100 --> 00:07:21.500 I love, I love Mr. Rogers so much. 00:07:21.640 --> 00:07:24.140 Uh, man, Fred had an impact on my life. 00:07:24.440 --> 00:07:30.560 I call him Fred as if like we were boys, but it was just fantastic growing up. 00:07:30.660 --> 00:07:30.900 Yeah. 00:07:31.100 --> 00:07:32.860 And that's, that's how I feel about it. 00:07:32.860 --> 00:07:38.180 You know, is it's like, he's like super positive, but what do you just being positive? 00:07:38.180 --> 00:07:39.700 Isn't, isn't really what he did. 00:07:39.700 --> 00:07:49.300 Instead, it was like, he would talk to kids like they were more than just, you know, just a, a thing that was there or whatever. 00:07:49.300 --> 00:07:51.660 It was like, I care about, I care about you. 00:07:51.740 --> 00:07:54.300 Like what you're saying is important. 00:07:54.300 --> 00:07:58.120 And, and, and I, and I want to, uh, understand you. 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:10.200 And, uh, that's like something that's, I don't know if it's lost in our community because there's a chance that, you know, perception or whatever. 00:08:10.200 --> 00:08:25.460 But I feel like we really have lost the art of hearing people, you know, it's like listening is one thing, but then like actually hearing and taking in and saying like, I, what you have has value is, is lost. 00:08:25.460 --> 00:08:33.080 And, uh, I, especially in the gaming community where you hear so much input, you know, it's like ads almost. 00:08:33.280 --> 00:08:42.480 It's just people talking, you join a lobby for like five seconds and meet somebody and then you land and die and you're like, I see a, you know, and you never have to talk to them again. 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:49.820 And it just becomes burned in your mind that these are just noises in your game and you're not, you know, they're not actual people. 00:08:50.420 --> 00:08:55.180 So I think that's kind of what we're trying to break past is like, no, like you are a person. 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:58.540 Let's actually have community and not just 30 seconds in a game. 00:08:59.100 --> 00:09:01.360 And, uh, yeah, it's been, it's been really good. 00:09:01.520 --> 00:09:05.540 How are you helping bridge that gap in terms of community and all that stuff? 00:09:06.680 --> 00:09:06.980 Hmm. 00:09:07.700 --> 00:09:08.560 Yeah, it's hard. 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:14.520 Um, honestly, the hardest part is how do you like reach people that need that? 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:18.420 Um, cause once you can connect with them, then it's like, cool. 00:09:18.520 --> 00:09:20.720 Like now we can talk and we can do that thing, you know? 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:30.520 So, um, our, our community is, um, well, at like, at the time of this, it's like 670 people or something like that. 00:09:30.860 --> 00:09:47.080 And, um, it is, uh, yeah, it's, no, it's, it's gotten, it's gotten really big, but the actual like community is probably closer to like 50, you know, because a lot of people join and they'll, and they'll talk maybe every once in a while, they'll just kind of look in and that's fine. 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:53.920 Um, but then there's like people that every day they're, this is where it's like their new Facebook, you know? 00:09:54.340 --> 00:10:15.860 Um, I don't like saying that cause I, it's like, you don't want to replace anything, but, uh, for a lot of people, Facebook has gotten kind of the epitome of what I was talking about, where it's this echo chamber of, um, you know, algorithms will help you find the things that give you the, the, the type of things you care about. 00:10:15.860 --> 00:10:18.500 And so it's just like, you never get another opinion. 00:10:18.500 --> 00:10:22.320 It's just, here's the things you care about because they're the people you followed. 00:10:22.540 --> 00:10:27.660 And so if you, if you do see a bad opinion, you're going to post your little rant or whatever. 00:10:27.660 --> 00:10:33.320 And then if you don't want to reply after that, you don't have to, because you can just say what you want to say and you leave. 00:10:34.040 --> 00:10:43.560 And, um, with a chat room, it's very much more, you see what's the last thing said. 00:10:43.800 --> 00:10:50.920 And at any point in time, somebody else could join and have just as much say as the next person, especially in the way that we have it set up. 00:10:50.920 --> 00:11:02.140 Um, I deleted, there's, uh, we had colors for like mods had a color, admins had a color, like different colors to, to dictate hierarchy in our structure. 00:11:02.700 --> 00:11:09.620 Um, and like, at least for the time being, uh, and for the last three years, I, that's all been removed. 00:11:09.940 --> 00:11:14.480 So it's every, every person has the same, that I do have is a level system. 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:20.820 So the more that you talk, the bluer your name turns, it kind of starts at like more of a dark blue. 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:25.420 And then it turns to like a lighter blue, the longer that you're in the chat that you've been talking. 00:11:25.800 --> 00:11:33.460 So that way you can kind of get a gauge of like, oh, like this person has, has influence because they talk more. 00:11:33.460 --> 00:11:36.720 And that's just to encourage other people to actually engage. 00:11:37.420 --> 00:11:45.260 And, uh, and that way it's less of a, this person has power over you because, you know, they have the word admin or this person, because they have the word mod. 00:11:45.420 --> 00:11:51.600 And it's more like the real world where, okay, if you want more influence, like just, just talk to people more. 00:11:52.060 --> 00:12:01.060 And, uh, so that's, that's kind of the, the thinking there, but yeah, I mean, that, that's really the base of our community is very simple. 00:12:01.060 --> 00:12:06.960 Um, at least at the start, we were 50, 50 Christian on Christian. 00:12:07.220 --> 00:12:09.840 Uh, I would say that's, that's pretty, pretty fair. 00:12:10.260 --> 00:12:13.520 Uh, and at least that, that was our understanding. 00:12:13.800 --> 00:12:18.840 And we, um, talk to people and we're very open. 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:27.340 We had a channel for prayer, um, had a channel for encouragement where we would release videos that were just, um, we saw it like a stair step system. 00:12:27.340 --> 00:12:35.060 Um, I don't want to jump too much, but like we saw it like a stair step system where, uh, people are going to need different steps. 00:12:35.060 --> 00:12:37.340 We talk about like next steps in church a lot. 00:12:37.340 --> 00:12:41.000 And so it's like, what does it look like for people to take the very first step? 00:12:41.520 --> 00:12:47.060 Um, and that might be to just talk to somebody who is a Christian, like not even anything beyond that. 00:12:47.620 --> 00:12:55.300 Uh, and if you talk to somebody who is a Christian, then your next step might be to that person to, uh, mention something that's spiritual. 00:12:55.300 --> 00:12:57.940 And so you, you understand where that person's at spiritually. 00:12:58.620 --> 00:13:02.260 Um, those are, there's something called the five levels of communication. 00:13:02.620 --> 00:13:10.640 Um, and, and, you know, we, we would talk about those and it's like, you know, first there'd be a, just a base level communication. 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:16.940 And then maybe you'd have something that was a personal, like something, what does your avatar mean? 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:22.460 And then it's like meaningful, you know, usually it's something bad that's happened in your life or like, what are you dealing with? 00:13:22.460 --> 00:13:27.040 And that's kind of the prayer would, would take that, uh, we could, we can, what can be praying for you. 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:31.540 And then if you, I mean, if you're in a prayer channel, then we'd ask you probably about your spirituality. 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:35.220 Um, and that's, that's not even the last one. 00:13:35.260 --> 00:13:37.220 That's just where are you at spiritually? 00:13:37.220 --> 00:13:45.400 And some people that a lot of people feel like they relate to spirituality, but they may not relate to, um, even a God. 00:13:45.500 --> 00:13:47.600 They'll just say, yeah, I feel very spiritual, you know? 00:13:47.620 --> 00:13:50.340 And it's like, oh, okay, well, can you, can you dig into that a little bit? 00:13:50.400 --> 00:13:52.680 I feel like that's a term today we've, we've taken. 00:13:53.020 --> 00:13:54.500 And then the fifth one is gospel. 00:13:54.760 --> 00:13:54.940 Yeah. 00:13:55.060 --> 00:13:59.820 So we'd say like, you know, this is where you'd share your, your faith or, or, or so on. 00:13:59.920 --> 00:14:10.840 So, um, but we would, um, we thought we, you know, we think about those and like stair steps and, and it's like, how do we get people to the, the next step as they're going? 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:20.380 Um, and, uh, the encouragement channel was sort of that, that tipping point, um, where it, it was a, 00:14:20.400 --> 00:14:25.260 video that was based on a game, um, and whatever the game was. 00:14:25.260 --> 00:14:37.180 And then they would, uh, we'd have like videos or, um, a section at the end that would kind of relate it to something in the Bible or not even always to something in the Bible. 00:14:37.180 --> 00:14:43.980 Sometimes it was just, here is something that like, this is why it's helpful to be positive. 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:46.640 Here's a way of thinking about mental health or whatever. 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:54.640 And, um, and sometimes it led itself to a Bible verse and sometimes it's led itself to just, here's like the truth of it, you know? 00:14:54.820 --> 00:14:58.980 Um, yeah, those are kind of some of the things we tried, you know? 00:14:59.460 --> 00:15:02.500 So what you basically have there is a discipleship process. 00:15:02.500 --> 00:15:06.460 Like, I don't, I did, did you, did you come up on that with your own? 00:15:06.540 --> 00:15:07.600 Did somebody coach you through? 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:09.060 Like, what, what did that look like? 00:15:09.620 --> 00:15:09.880 No. 00:15:09.940 --> 00:15:10.120 Yeah. 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:19.280 Um, I mean, for me personally, new life, uh, the church that I attend full time and is, I've been working there full time for four years now. 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:23.160 Um, and they're like, they're really good. 00:15:23.280 --> 00:15:27.360 They're, um, they're, their process at least in the time. 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:33.680 So whenever I first joined, um, by the time I joined, they were already doing exponential. 00:15:33.880 --> 00:15:44.400 They're like, uh, church planner conference, the executive pastor there, um, before I was there, the executive pastor left to start exponential. 00:15:45.060 --> 00:15:56.120 Uh, and then, uh, Todd Wilson, and then they continued that, um, understanding that the best way to reach lost people is to start new churches. 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:04.240 And so they have, um, I mean, it's something like 13% of all of our tithes and offerings goes to starting new churches. 00:16:04.800 --> 00:16:08.000 Um, and so we've continued to like do that. 00:16:08.280 --> 00:16:15.440 Uh, but we've also pushed more into, uh, uh, uh, well, the same way exponential has it's, it's the multiplication idea. 00:16:15.900 --> 00:16:23.340 And, um, to multiply, you have to make disciples that make disciples, um, that start churches that plant churches. 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:41.600 And so through their staff meetings, um, over the last couple of years, especially as we've moved more into discipleship, like they've taught a lot of strategies, but they've emphasized, uh, emphasized that it's been not about the strategy, you know, but the heart of it. 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:43.300 And, um, yeah. 00:16:43.300 --> 00:16:50.260 And so it's like, how can I, how can I take, I've always seen it through this view and I already know my ministry before we started in this. 00:16:50.380 --> 00:16:59.220 So it was really like, as I'm hearing it and I'm writing stuff down, like, okay, how can I immediately apply this to what I'm, I'm already needing it, you know? 00:16:59.680 --> 00:17:01.480 Uh, so that's, that's been really, really helpful. 00:17:01.760 --> 00:17:01.920 Yeah. 00:17:02.560 --> 00:17:05.100 Now let's, let's just unpack this a little bit. 00:17:05.100 --> 00:17:07.840 Like, cause you've got, um, your ministry, right. 00:17:07.860 --> 00:17:12.800 And so like this, this video game ministry, is this, is this through new life? 00:17:12.820 --> 00:17:13.620 This is attached. 00:17:13.620 --> 00:17:16.200 Like where, where, walk us through the Genesis. 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:24.200 You, you kind of fast forwarded, which is awesome, 170 people, like walk us through like day one, where'd this thing start with? 00:17:24.360 --> 00:17:25.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:17:25.420 --> 00:17:32.860 No, so started, um, so me, me personally, I can remember where I was, where I was driving. 00:17:32.860 --> 00:17:40.460 Actually, I'd been praying for six months, uh, with my, my small group that I wanted something, um, that had more purpose. 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:48.280 It felt like it connected more of the dots, um, because I, you know, I, I feel like I was just kind of going through the motions. 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.200 I wasn't working at a church at the time, wasn't doing anything like that. 00:17:51.620 --> 00:18:00.480 And, um, as I was, I was praying about this stuff, um, I remember where I was, where I felt like God just said, you know, what about a game church? 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:05.940 And, um, that almost crashed because I was just like, that's such a crazy idea. 00:18:06.460 --> 00:18:07.980 Um, but it like makes sense. 00:18:07.980 --> 00:18:12.140 Like immediately it was like this, just all of the, that makes so much sense for so many reasons. 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:24.500 And, um, so I, I Googled game church, uh, and there was one organization literally called game church and, uh, I joined it and I emailed them and I think they were kind of like, okay, you know, whatever. 00:18:25.280 --> 00:18:32.640 And, uh, it, it was a Facebook group, um, they went to, uh, and they still do. 00:18:32.740 --> 00:18:38.920 They, they went to events like, um, PAX. 00:18:39.040 --> 00:18:47.780 I ended up going to PAX West, uh, and they would set up a table, um, hand a lanyards and tell people Jesus loves you. 00:18:47.780 --> 00:18:49.560 I mean, it was very, very basic. 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:53.880 It was just like, here's the, the, the very, we don't want to go too far into any of this. 00:18:55.040 --> 00:18:56.840 And, and that was really good. 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:58.640 And I was a part of that Facebook group. 00:18:58.820 --> 00:19:00.000 Um, that's a, that's a big group. 00:19:00.060 --> 00:19:02.280 That's bigger than this is a big, big group. 00:19:02.460 --> 00:19:06.160 And, uh, they, they did that for years. 00:19:07.020 --> 00:19:15.320 And eventually I, I started to notice that I could only get so far with people like communication wise. 00:19:15.460 --> 00:19:21.480 We, we, we weren't really seeing any, um, you know, not that baptism is like the epitome of everything. 00:19:21.760 --> 00:19:28.320 Um, you know, sometimes you plant seeds and the idea was to plant seeds in this group, but I really wanted, I, I didn't know. 00:19:28.320 --> 00:19:33.000 I couldn't see a logical connection of like where people would go on that, you know? 00:19:33.100 --> 00:19:35.040 And so it was like, I'm seeing a need. 00:19:35.180 --> 00:19:37.900 And so I'm, I was an admin of this, of this group. 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:39.320 Like I was, I was really into it. 00:19:39.320 --> 00:19:41.160 And, um, so I wanted to go a little deeper. 00:19:41.260 --> 00:19:48.180 And so I built, um, we started this discord, uh, and with other people in game church. 00:19:48.180 --> 00:19:50.580 And it was, it was a game church type thing. 00:19:51.220 --> 00:20:00.220 And the thought was in the, in the Facebook group, um, we had a policy to not talk about overly religious things. 00:20:00.220 --> 00:20:01.500 This is a religious group. 00:20:01.700 --> 00:20:11.640 And the, the idea was that we don't want to, uh, push people away that are joining from the, that community because they see it for the very first time. 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:14.960 It's just like this crazy over the spiritualist thing. 00:20:15.040 --> 00:20:21.980 But the problem is that that, that also kept us from being able to go deep with people and the things, if they wanted it. 00:20:22.340 --> 00:20:24.440 Um, and we couldn't tell if they wanted it or not. 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:29.280 And then we just seemed like we weren't any different than just a normal gaming group, you know? 00:20:29.280 --> 00:20:31.220 And so what, where's the difference? 00:20:31.800 --> 00:20:34.900 Um, I just, this started to happen, notice all this stuff. 00:20:34.900 --> 00:20:46.300 And, um, so we said, if that group is the lobby, the lobby of a church or whatever, then we needed a place that, um, actually that would be the like outside area. 00:20:46.380 --> 00:20:47.740 We, we needed a lobby. 00:20:47.740 --> 00:20:51.300 We need a place that people can actually come to and talk with each other. 00:20:51.760 --> 00:21:00.600 And, um, just posting a Facebook message and then somebody else posting underneath, like I'll never get a deep conversation that way. 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:05.820 Uh, I might get one string of thought, but like, I need, I need more than that. 00:21:05.820 --> 00:21:12.340 If I'm going to have a conversation with somebody like this conversation we're having, imagine how long that Facebook thread is. 00:21:12.340 --> 00:21:13.460 And we're doing it in an hour. 00:21:13.580 --> 00:21:16.580 It would take all day, you know, it's just, it's not fast enough. 00:21:17.220 --> 00:21:23.960 Um, so we, we started a discord, um, people started to talk and it was really good for a long time. 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:27.780 It was like me, every other message to just keep the conversation going. 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.400 I felt like a, like a human AI for a while. 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:34.880 It's like, you know, submit a word and I'll submit one back, you know, or something back. 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:42.580 And it was, it was very, um, it was kind of slow, but as it started to build and build, we got more and more people. 00:21:42.580 --> 00:21:50.000 Um, I could kind of leave for a little bit and other people would, you know, respond and it's just slow. 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:57.020 But as it builds up, um, so that, that's, that's the, where it started. 00:21:57.140 --> 00:22:04.680 We did, we had a point in time though, where, um, there was a huge falling out with admins, um, leadership. 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:10.780 Honestly, it was specific leadership in game church and, um, as happens. 00:22:11.320 --> 00:22:18.100 And, uh, and so we just decided along with a couple other people, we're going to break off and we're going to do a separate thing. 00:22:18.500 --> 00:22:29.300 Um, we became love clan, uh, which is something that the, the like name kind of started from a, uh, we had a sport or not a sports. 00:22:29.300 --> 00:22:33.500 We, uh, like a, uh, call a duty clan called love clan. 00:22:33.840 --> 00:22:36.120 Um, back when I worked at another church. 00:22:36.120 --> 00:22:38.140 And so it was just like, I would go that direction. 00:22:38.140 --> 00:22:44.560 And, um, another group became love the nerd, uh, and they're really cool doing kind of the same thing. 00:22:44.800 --> 00:22:45.200 Yeah. 00:22:46.040 --> 00:22:46.440 Yeah. 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:47.220 They're, they're great. 00:22:47.340 --> 00:22:48.000 They're super great. 00:22:48.040 --> 00:22:48.880 You should look them up too. 00:22:49.040 --> 00:22:49.560 Love the nerd. 00:22:49.860 --> 00:22:59.280 Um, and, and they do, uh, sort of a more blog style, uh, where they'll come up with articles. 00:22:59.280 --> 00:23:03.380 That are specifically geared towards gamers and the nerd culture. 00:23:03.740 --> 00:23:06.660 Uh, and then they'll, they'll put kind of a Christian spin on it. 00:23:06.820 --> 00:23:06.960 So. 00:23:07.500 --> 00:23:08.400 Wait, I've seen that. 00:23:08.520 --> 00:23:09.180 Wait, wait, seriously. 00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:11.260 Like the love thy nerd, uh, the blog. 00:23:11.780 --> 00:23:12.100 Yeah. 00:23:12.100 --> 00:23:13.560 I've read that's good. 00:23:13.700 --> 00:23:13.880 Yeah. 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:14.420 Yeah. 00:23:14.420 --> 00:23:17.280 So there there's, that's kind of in the same. 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:17.600 Yeah. 00:23:17.600 --> 00:23:21.260 We're all, yeah, we're, yeah, we were all at one point in time, we were all together. 00:23:21.260 --> 00:23:22.700 So we were all in game church. 00:23:22.840 --> 00:23:29.260 Um, we split actually the guy that really ran the game church side of things is now running the 00:23:29.260 --> 00:23:31.200 the, the love the nerd thing. 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:35.140 So there's a lot of some similarities probably between what game church and love the nerd, 00:23:35.140 --> 00:23:36.260 um, are. 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:43.660 And then ours was because we already had a community that was, um, like even separate 00:23:43.660 --> 00:23:44.980 from the Facebook thing. 00:23:44.980 --> 00:23:47.160 Cause we were doing gaming events and stuff like that. 00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:54.160 It's kind of like they focused, um, further in, we were, we were very outreach group. 00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:56.640 Um, game church was very outreach. 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:59.640 Obviously we would go to conventions and hand stuff out and all that. 00:24:00.080 --> 00:24:06.800 Um, and I, and I wanted more of the like personal, um, intimate connection stuff, more discipleship, 00:24:06.800 --> 00:24:07.300 like you're saying. 00:24:07.940 --> 00:24:15.820 And, um, um, so I, we did the, the discord and they became even better. 00:24:15.820 --> 00:24:21.220 I think at what they were doing as far as the, uh, outreach and game church took on different 00:24:21.220 --> 00:24:21.700 management. 00:24:21.700 --> 00:24:24.820 And so game church is continuing doing what they're doing it. 00:24:24.820 --> 00:24:31.700 For me, it feels like, um, you know, like a forced, like God forced us to multiply. 00:24:32.320 --> 00:24:36.840 Like this thing happens, you know, what, what seemed like it was bad is actually going to 00:24:36.840 --> 00:24:37.600 turn out for good. 00:24:37.980 --> 00:24:42.960 And, um, now there's three groups and we only had one, you know, so it is, it's a great thing 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:44.740 in the long run at the time, obviously it hurt. 00:24:44.740 --> 00:24:48.700 But, uh, now we have a group that's really good at outreach and like, we're getting pretty 00:24:48.700 --> 00:24:51.000 good at discipleship and yeah, it's, it's good. 00:24:51.460 --> 00:24:52.480 This is amazing, Jeff. 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:56.100 Cause could we actually be talking about our very first online church split? 00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:57.400 You know what I'm saying? 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:02.160 You know, kind of like times in the past, like, Hey church. 00:25:02.300 --> 00:25:05.340 Has a youth ministry, youth ministry wants to take it to a certain area. 00:25:05.420 --> 00:25:08.660 Those folks grow up and all of a sudden, you know, the leadership that's in play is like, 00:25:08.740 --> 00:25:09.760 no, we're not going that direction. 00:25:09.760 --> 00:25:10.560 We're going this direction. 00:25:10.620 --> 00:25:14.920 Next thing you know, you got two churches and both of them, you know, well-meaning reaching 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:18.480 their community, doing great gospel work, but there was just a disagreement. 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.160 There was a Paul and Barnabas moment where it was split. 00:25:21.600 --> 00:25:24.480 We don't get along, but God used that at the end of the day. 00:25:24.620 --> 00:25:25.600 It's fascinating. 00:25:25.780 --> 00:25:26.160 It's great. 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:27.740 Like, and Jay, you've mentioned this. 00:25:27.840 --> 00:25:31.280 And the first time I met you, like, right, I've released virtually, I met you. 00:25:31.360 --> 00:25:34.140 I think you hit me up to the website and we started talking. 00:25:34.840 --> 00:25:35.880 Yeah, it virtually counts. 00:25:36.280 --> 00:25:39.800 But we, you were talking to think that I was like, man, this is this, I got, I got to talk 00:25:39.800 --> 00:25:44.420 to this guy because you use the game, video game ministry and discipleship, like in the 00:25:44.420 --> 00:25:44.940 same sentence. 00:25:44.940 --> 00:25:50.440 And I'm like, okay, anybody's using video games, like Xbox, PS4. 00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:52.840 Like, I just, I got to understand this. 00:25:53.420 --> 00:25:57.020 And discipleship means so many things, like, like the label itself. 00:25:57.320 --> 00:26:00.740 And so like, let's, let's put some tangibleness to this. 00:26:01.300 --> 00:26:08.100 What does discipleship look like in context of video gaming, of the people that you're reaching? 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:09.320 Like, what is the goal? 00:26:09.380 --> 00:26:13.860 If you have a process, what's the goal of your process to help people? 00:26:13.860 --> 00:26:17.780 Sure, yeah, yeah, no, you're right. 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:19.540 That is, that is a thing. 00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:23.720 Like, I mean, we could talk forever on what does disciple actually mean? 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:27.080 Because there's full books that are like, yeah, I got it down. 00:26:27.080 --> 00:26:31.360 And then like, you go to the next store down and they're just like, totally different thing. 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:42.020 You know, I've heard the original word for disciple would be like a learner, like somebody who learns. 00:26:42.500 --> 00:26:46.620 I've heard a apprentice, you know, is the word disciple. 00:26:46.940 --> 00:26:50.360 It's one that we've taken more of a Christian term now. 00:26:50.840 --> 00:26:56.980 I usually tend to lean towards seeing disciple as somebody who hears and follows God. 00:26:57.840 --> 00:27:00.560 That's, that's the definition that we use at New Life. 00:27:01.660 --> 00:27:02.860 So it's in there somewhere. 00:27:03.060 --> 00:27:09.480 It's someone who hears and follows God and wants to continue learning about God and teach 00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:11.040 others to learn about God. 00:27:11.100 --> 00:27:13.120 So it's something like that, you know? 00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:19.680 And so I think that's, with that in mind, that's, that's where I go to is like, how do 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:28.940 I, how do I have processes that help me help people hear and follow God in a new way? 00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:32.980 Um, also help people learn about God. 00:27:33.040 --> 00:27:37.120 Maybe if they, they've been shut down to it, how do I, how do I, as that work? 00:27:37.560 --> 00:27:42.700 Um, so there, there are lots of different ways to do that. 00:27:42.820 --> 00:27:47.160 Um, if you, I know we talked last time a little bit about three circles. 00:27:48.280 --> 00:27:54.340 Uh, yeah, that's, it's, uh, um, Bill Smith, um, and Jeff McDaniels. 00:27:54.340 --> 00:27:55.440 Those are two names. 00:27:55.540 --> 00:27:56.140 Definitely look up. 00:27:56.220 --> 00:27:59.960 T4T is a book that we put out at, uh, well, yeah. 00:28:00.080 --> 00:28:01.820 So look those up. 00:28:01.860 --> 00:28:02.540 Those are really good. 00:28:02.620 --> 00:28:03.140 T4T. 00:28:03.380 --> 00:28:09.900 Um, but those, those ideas, it's like, how do we take the strategies that churches are, 00:28:10.020 --> 00:28:13.160 um, are using and to, to train disciples? 00:28:13.520 --> 00:28:16.180 How do we take those things and bring them into an online space? 00:28:16.760 --> 00:28:23.340 And it's, um, it usually happens, um, organically. 00:28:23.500 --> 00:28:27.280 And I say it happens organically because God works inorganically. 00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:33.280 God, God will, will do things in ways that are like completely not natural. 00:28:33.620 --> 00:28:37.120 Um, and, and it becomes natural when over time. 00:28:37.220 --> 00:28:40.860 So like by praying for God, I had it to go ahead of us. 00:28:40.940 --> 00:28:46.500 He does, you know, and, um, a lot of times it's like, okay, I have tools, God. 00:28:46.600 --> 00:28:47.520 I'm prepared. 00:28:48.340 --> 00:28:50.260 Just let me speak boldly. 00:28:50.260 --> 00:28:53.220 If you put something in front of me, I'll be ready for it. 00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:58.800 And, and then it happens and, and like, can't emphasize enough the importance of, of prayer 00:28:58.800 --> 00:28:59.440 in this thing. 00:28:59.860 --> 00:29:01.460 Um, because I would pray. 00:29:01.460 --> 00:29:04.300 I, so just, I'll do, I'll do, uh, an example. 00:29:04.600 --> 00:29:12.980 I, um, I, I did a destiny raid, the like really long destiny has these raids that are like, 00:29:13.040 --> 00:29:14.580 oh man, sometimes three hours. 00:29:14.580 --> 00:29:16.460 If you're doing it the first time, it can go even longer. 00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:21.400 The first time I did the vault of glass took me like seven hours, I think, because it was 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.980 like the first time you're doing it and you have to do it with a group. 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:28.860 So you take like six people and you all go and try and do this thing and you just all 00:29:28.860 --> 00:29:31.360 shut your schedules down for like the rest of the day. 00:29:32.080 --> 00:29:36.680 And, um, and so we, we did this thing and, and while you're doing it, you're not really 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:39.000 talking because you're having to communicate. 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:45.020 It's very in depth, um, very mechanically specific of what you have to, it's a puzzle. 00:29:45.500 --> 00:29:47.060 Um, it's like a three hour puzzle. 00:29:47.940 --> 00:29:52.760 And I, um, you know, I completed it with this group of guys, these random people I found 00:29:52.760 --> 00:29:53.200 online. 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:58.600 And at the end, this guy was just kept talking and it like, everybody else was like, Hey, 00:29:58.640 --> 00:29:59.300 thanks for the run. 00:29:59.360 --> 00:29:59.740 Really good. 00:29:59.800 --> 00:30:00.600 Nice to meet you guys. 00:30:00.600 --> 00:30:01.820 And then they're leaving the chat. 00:30:02.380 --> 00:30:05.480 And, um, and this guy just kept talking like, yeah, Hey, thanks guys. 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:05.780 Yeah. 00:30:05.840 --> 00:30:09.680 You know, I got work in the morning, but I, you know, yeah, I work at this place down the 00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:11.480 street, you know, that's just how it goes. 00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.600 And it was just like, it like just really wanted, I guess, communication or something. 00:30:15.600 --> 00:30:16.960 And so I stuck around in the chat. 00:30:17.060 --> 00:30:20.560 I'm, I'm like looking for a way to leave, but it's not happening. 00:30:20.560 --> 00:30:23.860 And before I know it's just him and I together in the chat. 00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:29.280 And, uh, and, and so I was like, I got, I don't, I don't know. 00:30:29.340 --> 00:30:35.460 This is kind of like a weird place to whatever, but let's, you know, what, let's just go for 00:30:35.460 --> 00:30:35.660 it. 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.020 And so I asked him, you know, well, what do you do? 00:30:38.180 --> 00:30:44.620 Um, and he said, I'm, uh, well, I'm, I'm in the, uh, air force or something like that. 00:30:44.620 --> 00:30:45.700 And I was like, Oh, cool. 00:30:45.780 --> 00:30:47.340 You know, what do you do? 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:49.540 Oh, well, I work at a church and that's usually an in for me. 00:30:49.540 --> 00:30:50.920 Cause I, I can just, I work at a church. 00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:51.700 Oh, what kind of church? 00:30:51.760 --> 00:30:53.280 Where do you, you know, so on and so forth. 00:30:53.960 --> 00:31:00.420 And that conversation, he, he basically said, um, oh yeah, well, there's, there's actually 00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:06.720 a bunch of churches, uh, in our, in our place where we're at, uh, in the, um, I don't, 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.380 I think he was, um, this like flight, flight stuff. 00:31:10.460 --> 00:31:14.000 I don't know if he actually flew or whatever, but he was saying, yeah, there's, there's lots 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:17.560 of, um, different churches and I've been trying all of them, but I was just, wasn't sure what 00:31:17.560 --> 00:31:22.020 to, you know, how to, what to make of them and like, which one to, to go to. 00:31:22.260 --> 00:31:28.420 And so we were able to like, literally go into, here's like the Bible and, uh, three, three 00:31:28.420 --> 00:31:29.500 circles and then so on and so forth. 00:31:29.540 --> 00:31:34.320 And when we did this over chat and, um, and then he left and I've seen him a couple of 00:31:34.320 --> 00:31:39.360 times in chat here and there, but it was just like, that, that felt like planting a seed, 00:31:39.460 --> 00:31:43.820 you know, like that's, that's a seed more than just Jesus loves you. 00:31:43.820 --> 00:31:46.020 And like, yeah, everybody had already heard that or whatever before. 00:31:47.140 --> 00:31:50.400 Um, but the, the same thing, I was like, that was pretty crazy. 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.720 And then the next time I did a raid, the exact same thing happened. 00:31:54.040 --> 00:31:58.360 And I was like, I got, I, this, I mean, this is just wild, like the exact same thing. 00:31:58.580 --> 00:32:02.520 And so I was just like, whatever, God, uh, okay, what do you do? 00:32:02.520 --> 00:32:02.800 Right. 00:32:02.860 --> 00:32:03.800 That's from the same thing. 00:32:04.100 --> 00:32:06.040 And he said, oh, well, um, I'm a carpenter. 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.720 And I was like, oh my gosh, like, this is a softball one. 00:32:09.940 --> 00:32:13.480 Like, I know a carpenter, you know, like, yeah. 00:32:13.660 --> 00:32:15.380 So it happens. 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:18.500 I mean, it really, you know, it's like, come on, that was easy. 00:32:18.860 --> 00:32:24.960 Um, yeah, but that, that, that's the, so the online, the, the end game stuff, um, we're, 00:32:25.120 --> 00:32:26.160 we're figuring that out. 00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:28.480 It doesn't always happen, but it's, it's an openness. 00:32:28.580 --> 00:32:31.780 Uh, like once you, it's the same thing. 00:32:31.780 --> 00:32:35.580 I don't tell people when they're, they're learning discipleship that it's like, okay, 00:32:35.580 --> 00:32:41.420 the end goal of this is that you go to the mall and you find somebody and then you convert 00:32:41.420 --> 00:32:44.500 them or whatever, like that, that may happen. 00:32:44.500 --> 00:32:46.120 And that's really good when it does. 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:52.060 But I want you to like, pray about this and have God show people in your life that like 00:32:52.060 --> 00:32:56.060 oikos, you know, like who are the people in your sphere of influence currently that you 00:32:56.060 --> 00:32:59.080 can be, um, you can be talking to. 00:32:59.520 --> 00:33:05.380 And, uh, the, the thing for the online game industry is it's like, you're already talking 00:33:05.380 --> 00:33:05.960 to these people. 00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:10.320 I just want you to be hearing what God's saying, if he's saying anything. 00:33:10.620 --> 00:33:14.180 And, and if it shows up, then like go for that, you know? 00:33:14.600 --> 00:33:16.940 Um, and that's what we're trying to get people to understand. 00:33:16.940 --> 00:33:20.820 So I don't know if there's a strategy for that one as much, but the, there's definitely 00:33:20.820 --> 00:33:27.640 a strategy for how to, um, reach people to get to that stage. 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:33.500 Like Christians that maybe haven't seen their games as something they could use as ministry. 00:33:34.020 --> 00:33:41.400 And, um, for me, it's taking the verses seriously that say in everything that I do glorify God, 00:33:41.800 --> 00:33:46.240 you know, like that includes my gaming, like that includes my personal time and my entertainment 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:46.660 time. 00:33:46.660 --> 00:33:52.360 And, and it's not, yeah, on Sundays from one hour, like that's where I glorify God. 00:33:52.420 --> 00:33:53.940 It's, you know, it's, it's everything. 00:33:53.940 --> 00:33:54.900 It's my whole life. 00:33:54.900 --> 00:33:58.860 So, uh, yeah, that's powerful, man. 00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:02.700 Uh, how, how then are you encouraging other people to kind of take on the same thing? 00:34:02.700 --> 00:34:06.740 Because I imagine there's a lot of people in your sphere, like you're saying that have 00:34:06.740 --> 00:34:10.440 a passion both for gaming and they see the potential for its ability to reach people for 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:12.040 Christ or even to disciple folks. 00:34:12.040 --> 00:34:14.140 So how does that transition to the next person? 00:34:14.140 --> 00:34:15.260 Not just from you, the leader. 00:34:15.860 --> 00:34:16.260 Yeah. 00:34:16.620 --> 00:34:22.260 So we have a core group, um, in love clan, and those are kind of the people that, um, 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.760 they've identified themselves as people who are just active in that community. 00:34:28.240 --> 00:34:31.500 Um, but they're also like spiritual leaders. 00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:37.160 They're people that, uh, are, are almost plants in our group that like, if they see an opportunity, 00:34:37.160 --> 00:34:38.780 they're going to hop on it. 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:44.440 Um, we talk about like wolf pack of just when somebody new joins, you wolf pack them, you 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:46.600 know, like, you're just like, yeah, how's it going? 00:34:46.660 --> 00:34:48.820 You're just a full of like flood them with love. 00:34:48.820 --> 00:34:51.300 There's so often that people will join and just leave immediately. 00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:53.140 It's like, ah, not what I was looking for, you know? 00:34:53.540 --> 00:34:56.360 But if like eight people are like, Hey, how's it going? 00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:56.860 Hey, how's it going? 00:34:56.900 --> 00:35:00.480 It's like, okay, well, I mean, like I feel really connected already and I just joined. 00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:07.740 So, um, like that kind of, uh, getting that stuff that the, the basics, that's a good, 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:09.100 that's a starting place. 00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:14.820 Um, having people feel like there's a community, but, uh, with our core group, we've talked 00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:18.740 about these things being intentional and all the stuff I've, you know, I've been talking 00:35:18.740 --> 00:35:19.040 about. 00:35:19.560 --> 00:35:21.500 Those are things we'll talk about in our core group. 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.660 Um, and for the very first time, this is, this has been really good. 00:35:25.660 --> 00:35:29.840 Uh, Tuesday actually, which is why I'm kind of glad we delayed this. 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.580 Tuesday was our, our very first Bible study. 00:35:33.160 --> 00:35:35.960 Um, so we did a Bible study online. 00:35:36.340 --> 00:35:44.200 Um, actually some of the stuff, uh, Jeff, that you had shared in a, uh, a post about somebody 00:35:44.200 --> 00:35:45.520 else that did a similar thing. 00:35:46.020 --> 00:35:47.380 Um, yeah. 00:35:47.500 --> 00:35:49.340 So we were like, we're reading through that. 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.340 I shared that with our group and they were like, yeah, that's, this is encouraging. 00:35:52.340 --> 00:35:53.460 Like we need to do this stuff. 00:35:54.060 --> 00:35:59.900 And, um, and so it was really like, um, this is actually where it's, where it's kind of nice. 00:36:00.220 --> 00:36:02.300 The limitations help us in this way. 00:36:02.680 --> 00:36:06.680 Uh, discord currently has a limitation of 10 people to a voice channel. 00:36:07.080 --> 00:36:11.360 So it's kind of like zoom in, in, in, it's the same. 00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.520 We could do a voice channel or we can do a video channel and we can talk and all this. 00:36:15.160 --> 00:36:20.460 Uh, but with discord, the max is 10 people and you can talk as long as you want and you 00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:21.240 don't have to pay for it. 00:36:21.680 --> 00:36:24.280 So, you know, zoom has like a 40 minutes. 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.500 You have a limit or something or you have to pay for it and you have to do certain, there's 00:36:27.500 --> 00:36:28.360 certain limitations. 00:36:28.980 --> 00:36:33.280 Um, as long as it's 10 people, you're totally unlimited with discord, at least currently. 00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:36.680 So our, um, yeah. 00:36:36.680 --> 00:36:38.200 And so that, there you go. 00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:42.080 10 people is the max for our small group and we're doing, we'll do a video chat. 00:36:42.080 --> 00:36:49.780 And, and so our, um, the, the push there for discipleship for multiplication literally comes 00:36:49.780 --> 00:36:55.820 from a currently technological, you know, people, they don't realize that it's more than that. 00:36:55.940 --> 00:37:00.560 I want one, a small group to be more than 10 people anyway, but I can blame it on like, 00:37:00.640 --> 00:37:04.340 Hey guys, like I, you know, sorry, we literally can't have more than 10 people. 00:37:04.420 --> 00:37:09.240 There's other people out here who want to have this, what we're having right now, a discussion. 00:37:09.660 --> 00:37:13.240 And so, um, and so like, I, I need you guys to lead this group. 00:37:13.240 --> 00:37:17.920 So either I can go and I smart start as another group that's at another time, or, you know, 00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:19.740 you guys lead this group, test it. 00:37:19.740 --> 00:37:24.580 Um, we'll do the, um, like, uh, so last week was the first one. 00:37:24.680 --> 00:37:28.060 And at the end of it, I told them, Hey, I'm going to do this like one more time, but I 00:37:28.060 --> 00:37:33.120 need you guys to like be watching because I literally, we fit, we filled that group that 00:37:33.120 --> 00:37:36.920 like there was seven this week, but there was already 10 planned. 00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:41.380 And the other slots were people that said like, Hey, I can't this week cause I have finals, 00:37:41.380 --> 00:37:45.200 but I need to like, I'll be there next week or, or, you know, stuff like that. 00:37:45.460 --> 00:37:52.060 And so we have 10, like we're at 10 and I didn't, I messaged like 12 people, maybe like 00:37:52.060 --> 00:37:54.420 it was like immediately people are like, Oh, we're into that. 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:55.740 Like, yeah, we want to be part of that. 00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:57.100 That's something that we're interested in. 00:37:57.240 --> 00:38:02.040 So, I mean, we got 10 immediately and, um, I have a whole list of names of people that 00:38:02.040 --> 00:38:04.140 I probably could message and fill another group right now. 00:38:04.620 --> 00:38:07.140 Um, so I just need like another, another leader. 00:38:07.700 --> 00:38:13.560 And, uh, so the, this group, I said, I'm going to let you guys watch, watch what I'm doing. 00:38:13.680 --> 00:38:20.200 It's going to be, uh, you watch, um, or I do you watch and then I do you help. 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:22.680 And then you do, I help. 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:24.480 And then you do, I watch. 00:38:24.940 --> 00:38:30.780 And by then, you know, four weeks from now or whatever, we should have another leader that 00:38:30.780 --> 00:38:35.680 has done it at least enough times, um, or we can swap, have a couple of different people 00:38:35.680 --> 00:38:36.140 do it. 00:38:36.680 --> 00:38:40.200 And, uh, and then like, okay, we're going to go do another group. 00:38:40.300 --> 00:38:43.800 Does somebody want to go do one or are you guys going to stay here and then I'll go do 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:44.020 one? 00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:45.960 Um, and just kind of leave that open. 00:38:47.040 --> 00:38:51.300 So, I mean, the thought is it really just multiplies to the point that, you know, as people 00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:53.140 catch on and realize that it's really not hard. 00:38:53.220 --> 00:38:56.080 I, I, I, I purposefully take less time planning. 00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:00.020 This was really big with our, um, it just stopped me at any point in time. 00:39:00.380 --> 00:39:07.460 The, the, the Tuesday group, I purposefully take less, um, less time planning it than I 00:39:07.460 --> 00:39:10.780 do doing it because it's not a sermon. 00:39:11.120 --> 00:39:14.060 It's not a, um, it's just a discussion. 00:39:14.640 --> 00:39:22.660 Uh, and so I, I don't want to take too much time in, um, in planning it because then it'll 00:39:22.660 --> 00:39:25.380 just be that and less of a discussion. 00:39:25.780 --> 00:39:28.460 And so when we do it, I just have post-it notes. 00:39:28.680 --> 00:39:33.300 Um, and this is another thing learned from, uh, I think it may be in T4T, but it's definitely 00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:37.680 something that new life taught from whoever that, you know, I wish I could get the original 00:39:37.680 --> 00:39:39.600 person really like Bill Smith. 00:39:39.600 --> 00:39:47.920 Uh, he's done a ton for us, but the, um, the idea of, uh, five questions and it's, what 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:51.180 is this, uh, when reading through the Bible, what does this say about God? 00:39:51.380 --> 00:39:52.760 What does this say about people? 00:39:53.260 --> 00:39:54.380 What does this say about you? 00:39:54.780 --> 00:39:56.020 What are you going to do about it? 00:39:56.200 --> 00:39:57.380 And who are you going to share it with? 00:39:57.460 --> 00:39:58.800 Those are like five questions. 00:39:59.520 --> 00:40:04.780 And, uh, as I'm reading through the chapters that we're going to talk about, I just have 00:40:04.780 --> 00:40:07.520 sticky notes on the side and I literally write God question mark. 00:40:07.520 --> 00:40:10.400 And I put it on the sticky note, like on that, that section. 00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:14.820 If I feel like that's a section that talks about what is this, what does this say about 00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:15.180 God? 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.960 Or if it's a section that's like, oh, this is really weird about people. 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:18.940 What does it say about people? 00:40:19.240 --> 00:40:21.840 Or if it's like kind of deep, it's like, what does it say about you? 00:40:22.560 --> 00:40:26.660 And, um, and then I'll just go through the Bible as we're going and like read the sticky 00:40:26.660 --> 00:40:27.000 notes. 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.720 And like, this is the section that sticky notes connected to. 00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:35.380 So I guess read that section and it takes me as much time as it takes to just read those 00:40:35.380 --> 00:40:35.840 chapters. 00:40:36.680 --> 00:40:45.120 Um, I planned for, we're using, um, if you know, Tim Mackey, he, he does the Bible project. 00:40:45.700 --> 00:40:50.920 Um, those like, well, he has, he has a group now, the Bible project, but it was started by 00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:51.520 Tim Mackey. 00:40:51.520 --> 00:40:58.420 Um, he was lead pastor at, uh, door of hope church in, in Portland and they have animated 00:40:58.420 --> 00:41:04.400 videos that are like perfect for visually showing stuff. 00:41:04.500 --> 00:41:07.180 So we'll like watch the animated videos. 00:41:07.300 --> 00:41:08.840 Um, right now we're going through acts. 00:41:08.940 --> 00:41:10.100 So it was acts one through seven. 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:14.440 And that was my plan was that we'd get through acts one through seven, because that was what 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:20.160 we got through when we did, um, I did a small group, a young adult, small group locally. 00:41:20.460 --> 00:41:24.700 And so the plan was to just, okay, since we'd already done this young adult, small group 00:41:24.700 --> 00:41:28.020 locally, it'll be really easy to just do that with the online one. 00:41:28.020 --> 00:41:29.940 And then I, I don't have to think about it as much. 00:41:30.740 --> 00:41:36.060 And, um, we were going to do one through seven and, uh, I had all these notes, you know, 00:41:36.080 --> 00:41:39.400 I want to make sure that we don't like run out of content and stuff like that. 00:41:39.720 --> 00:41:42.540 We talked through chapter one. 00:41:42.980 --> 00:41:45.520 It took us an hour to get through acts one. 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.800 We got through two of my post-it notes and one of them said, what does it say about God? 00:41:49.820 --> 00:41:51.560 And one of them said, what does it say about people? 00:41:51.700 --> 00:41:53.000 And that was literally it. 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:54.340 That's all for this first small group. 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:56.140 That's all we got through for an hour and a half. 00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:04.700 Um, and it was like, okay, you know, like it's so easy to think like, this is going to 00:42:04.700 --> 00:42:05.920 be really hard to do. 00:42:06.040 --> 00:42:09.840 I can get myself in my head that starting a small group is going to be a ton of my time 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:10.660 and ton of work. 00:42:11.120 --> 00:42:16.980 And instead it turns into, I am reading the Bible actively because I have to think about 00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:21.400 having questions and I do that for like what an extra hour in my week. 00:42:21.560 --> 00:42:23.380 Like I'd already wanted to do that anyway. 00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:27.100 And now I have accountability for it, which is great because if I have accountability, then 00:42:27.100 --> 00:42:29.660 I can actively give accountability to other people. 00:42:30.340 --> 00:42:36.540 And then I'm, we're leading a discussion, which is like easy. 00:42:36.540 --> 00:42:40.660 I thought I have, I have the next like seven weeks planned at this rate. 00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:44.260 Like I plan for one week and it's like, who knows how long it'll take. 00:42:44.780 --> 00:42:49.820 So yeah, it's, it's honestly just, it was, it's really easy. 00:42:49.980 --> 00:42:50.120 Yeah. 00:42:50.120 --> 00:42:52.780 You just message people and say, do you want to be a part of a small group? 00:42:52.780 --> 00:42:56.200 And they were like, yeah, you know, and then, okay. 00:42:56.460 --> 00:43:00.300 And, and I also, I messaged people ahead of time saying, would you lead a small group? 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:01.520 I messaged like five people. 00:43:01.680 --> 00:43:06.900 Nobody wanted to do that, but you lead a small group one time and show them how easy it is 00:43:06.900 --> 00:43:10.700 and how little you planned the fact that you hit two post-it notes and that you just read 00:43:10.700 --> 00:43:11.960 through acts one through whatever. 00:43:12.340 --> 00:43:16.040 But what I love what you're doing here is you're, you're, you're modeling, you're, you're 00:43:16.040 --> 00:43:16.900 giving examples. 00:43:17.080 --> 00:43:17.220 Yeah. 00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:21.120 Like you're, you're doing, um, abstract ministry. 00:43:21.240 --> 00:43:23.840 You're first off, you're creating a discipleship system. 00:43:24.200 --> 00:43:26.240 You're also working with video gamers. 00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:28.420 And, and we, we didn't really hit on this. 00:43:28.420 --> 00:43:34.020 Like you're connected to a church, but the church really isn't like backing the ministry, 00:43:34.020 --> 00:43:34.300 right? 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.940 This is kind of, there's also no fees. 00:43:38.460 --> 00:43:42.800 I mean, the entire, from the beginning, the whole point was that it's literally all free. 00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.100 There's no cost involved at all. 00:43:45.100 --> 00:43:47.340 And that's was intentional from the beginning, but. 00:43:47.580 --> 00:43:52.160 You know, and so you trying to get people from, from the outside to buy into this vision, 00:43:52.160 --> 00:43:56.100 to, to, to lead a small group, to be part of a discipleship thing. 00:43:56.100 --> 00:44:01.880 Like you have to show an example of what that looks like, you know, we've been churches 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:06.520 who are doing like church online and, you know, what we can talk about online, small groups 00:44:06.520 --> 00:44:12.180 or discipleship online to a lot of times, like people have no idea what the concept even, 00:44:12.260 --> 00:44:13.180 even is. 00:44:13.300 --> 00:44:21.520 And so your example of, I do, you watch, I do, you help, you do, I help, you do, I watch, 00:44:22.020 --> 00:44:26.520 you know, at that four week, that's a, that's a fast turnaround time, but even still, that's 00:44:26.520 --> 00:44:31.940 a great example of, Hey, I'm going to train you to duplicate me. 00:44:32.080 --> 00:44:34.180 You're going to become very soon. 00:44:34.180 --> 00:44:38.000 So I can step out and go do something else somewhere else. 00:44:38.060 --> 00:44:40.340 And so I can help the next group get started. 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:41.020 That's awesome. 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:48.080 So of your 50 core, you're really looking at what, like 10 or 10 or 12 that are, that 00:44:48.080 --> 00:44:48.860 are doing a group. 00:44:48.860 --> 00:44:53.960 Now, do you like, and the goal is to you to release that group and go start another 10. 00:44:54.060 --> 00:44:55.900 Is that how you're really starting to know? 00:44:56.100 --> 00:45:02.120 So yeah, no, we have, so we have, um, the core, uh, I'd say as far as our like community 00:45:02.120 --> 00:45:05.200 goes, people that are chatting regularly, we probably have 50 people. 00:45:05.640 --> 00:45:07.220 Um, and then there's a lot of lurkers. 00:45:07.220 --> 00:45:09.360 So there's a lot of people that'll pop in every once in a while. 00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:14.020 Um, we did a survey recently and, uh, yeah, I didn't mention this. 00:45:14.100 --> 00:45:17.860 So yeah, I'd say originally we were probably about 50, 50 Christian, non-Christian. 00:45:17.860 --> 00:45:23.860 We recently did a survey, um, three years later now, and it was like 95%. 00:45:24.060 --> 00:45:26.840 Like identifying as Christian. 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:31.160 Um, a lot of those people that are on that list, I, I remember the first time that they 00:45:31.160 --> 00:45:35.480 posted in prayer, like, and they were said, I don't usually do this, you know? 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:41.240 And, uh, I I'd say most of their, like, when I think about planting seeds, it's like, these 00:45:41.240 --> 00:45:44.900 are people that for the first time they're talking about prayer. 00:45:45.060 --> 00:45:47.720 They're feeling like this is something that they can relate with. 00:45:47.940 --> 00:45:49.760 And then they found like a local church. 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.020 And that was kind of our big push for a long time was that you should find a local family, 00:45:53.020 --> 00:45:54.560 a local place that you can go to. 00:45:55.080 --> 00:45:59.840 Um, for some people, that's just not something they're probably going to do. 00:46:00.140 --> 00:46:05.940 Um, and I get that, but I do feel like a local family is, is really necessary for a lot of 00:46:05.940 --> 00:46:12.900 different reasons, but are, um, you know, it's how do we make, how do we make these things, 00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:15.220 uh, easier for online? 00:46:15.300 --> 00:46:18.800 Like one of the main reasons I'd want you to find a local place is so you can be in a 00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:19.260 small group. 00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:24.460 So if I can like break that barrier one by just doing it online, then, okay, then we'll 00:46:24.460 --> 00:46:25.280 do that, you know? 00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:33.340 Um, but that, that now that there's a, a, a seeing that we've switched to mostly, uh, most 00:46:33.340 --> 00:46:39.300 of our core group being Christian, then, then that's really where I felt the, the drive this 00:46:39.300 --> 00:46:42.760 year for the first time of like, okay, we're going to go real hard into discipleship then, 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:47.000 because I don't want you to coast like this isn't a group for the Christian huddle. 00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:53.360 It's not just like, um, you know, I, I don't want just people that feel like your goal here 00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:55.500 is to just talk to other Christians that play games. 00:46:55.500 --> 00:46:58.020 Cause that's not our, there are groups for that. 00:46:58.080 --> 00:46:58.880 That's not this group. 00:46:59.420 --> 00:47:06.200 And, um, there's also a, a tendency with doing a small group is that it can become hungry, 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.320 hungry Christian where it's just like, I just want more information. 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:12.820 And like, oh, like, what does this say in Greek and Hebrew? 00:47:12.820 --> 00:47:14.560 And like, you know, it's just like, no, no, no. 00:47:14.640 --> 00:47:19.120 Like think about this in the term of, and we, that's why we do this from the beginning. 00:47:19.460 --> 00:47:23.800 I want you to look at this verse as somebody that would look at this verse for the first 00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:24.180 time. 00:47:24.180 --> 00:47:26.900 How do you take this verse and give it to somebody? 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.620 It's like why the fifth one is who are you going to share it with? 00:47:30.180 --> 00:47:35.760 Because verses become new when you think about them in the context of somebody who is new. 00:47:36.160 --> 00:47:41.160 And like, how do I, how do I give this verse to somebody else? 00:47:41.160 --> 00:47:44.560 If it's something I've heard a thousand times, have I shared it a thousand times? 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:46.340 Like, and that's tweetable, man. 00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:47.040 That was good. 00:47:48.240 --> 00:47:53.720 Like, it's like, like if it's, yeah, it's, it's like somebody told you this verse so many 00:47:53.720 --> 00:47:57.840 times, but like, are you giving it to somebody is, is a real thing. 00:47:58.200 --> 00:48:04.320 Um, and, and we do tend to just be really, um, cycle, you know, and we're not like, we're 00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:05.700 not giving it to somebody else. 00:48:05.700 --> 00:48:07.000 We're just taking it in. 00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:08.980 Um, you know, it's the same idea. 00:48:08.980 --> 00:48:13.160 Like your cup, like your cups overflowing and it's like, yeah, it's going to keep being 00:48:13.160 --> 00:48:13.480 filled. 00:48:13.520 --> 00:48:18.160 Can you like pour it into who can you pour into so that you can have an like empty cup to 00:48:18.160 --> 00:48:18.980 like fill it again. 00:48:19.340 --> 00:48:22.200 And, uh, yeah, it's just that mindset. 00:48:22.200 --> 00:48:27.680 I think it's really a, a cultural thing of just that don't, don't get in this cycle. 00:48:27.680 --> 00:48:31.300 Uh, and I, I, I believe it does start at like a leadership stage. 00:48:31.300 --> 00:48:37.700 Like you, from the top down, you have to be intentional in discipleship or else it just 00:48:37.700 --> 00:48:43.140 becomes, you know, this has been a really nice, uh, lesson, you know, or whatever. 00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:47.920 Jake, just real quick before we close, um, cause I imagine that Jeff and I are going to 00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:51.520 be having you on again, cause really this has been just amazing to talk through. 00:48:51.560 --> 00:48:53.860 And I also want to find out like how the group continues to grow. 00:48:54.520 --> 00:49:00.640 Um, but yeah, just excited to see kind of what happens next with that and, and see what 00:49:00.640 --> 00:49:01.460 the Lord's doing in you. 00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:06.460 Uh, just some quick, fun questions before we go, uh, preferred video game method or system. 00:49:07.120 --> 00:49:10.180 Ooh, uh, system, easy PC. 00:49:10.720 --> 00:49:13.760 Um, I made the switch from Xbox a long time ago. 00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:16.660 Uh, when it looked back, it's, it's great. 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.280 Um, and then what was the other one? 00:49:19.560 --> 00:49:23.960 No, did you custom, did you custom build it or, or, well, it's been custom built now. 00:49:24.020 --> 00:49:28.640 It's like, it, it looks like something out of Iron Man or something. 00:49:28.640 --> 00:49:30.960 It's all like very, not, not in a good way. 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.680 It's the bad Iron Man where it's like the, like stuff like glued to the side and they're 00:49:35.680 --> 00:49:41.900 like, you know, stuff is like, yeah, it's really not good, but I'm, I'm hoping, I'm hoping 00:49:41.900 --> 00:49:48.100 AMD, uh, Ryzen third gen is going to be great and I can build a new computer cause I'm like 00:49:48.100 --> 00:49:48.700 waiting for that. 00:49:48.860 --> 00:49:52.320 So yeah, that's, uh, we'll see where that goes. 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:53.000 Cool. 00:49:53.180 --> 00:49:54.120 All time favorite game. 00:49:54.860 --> 00:49:55.460 Oh boy. 00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:57.360 I don't like that question. 00:49:57.820 --> 00:49:58.920 All right. 00:49:59.240 --> 00:50:00.620 I don't, I don't know. 00:50:00.780 --> 00:50:04.820 I I've like thought about it long and hard and decided that I just don't have any clue. 00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:05.620 No, no idea. 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:06.900 That's completely fine. 00:50:07.260 --> 00:50:09.100 Nostalgia game that you love to get lost in. 00:50:09.820 --> 00:50:10.080 Ooh. 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:15.460 Uh, nostalgia game would probably be super Mario, super Mario world. 00:50:16.180 --> 00:50:22.300 Just, just because there's like so much, um, we had a, well now I'm like changing my answer 00:50:22.300 --> 00:50:24.340 a billion times, but the, I'll stick with that one. 00:50:24.600 --> 00:50:29.100 We, uh, my family had a thing that was like, you, we won't get you another game until you 00:50:29.100 --> 00:50:30.080 beat the one you have. 00:50:30.560 --> 00:50:34.600 Um, and super Mario world had like a percentage thing in it. 00:50:34.600 --> 00:50:38.160 Usually it was just, you beat the game, you get to the end screen that have had a percentage. 00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:39.920 So it was like, no, you haven't beat it yet. 00:50:39.940 --> 00:50:41.960 It still says 90% or something. 00:50:42.080 --> 00:50:43.320 I was like, no, I beat Bowser. 00:50:43.420 --> 00:50:44.040 Like I beat him. 00:50:44.560 --> 00:50:46.960 And so I had to go find all the hidden stuff. 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.380 And like, there's so many hidden things in that game. 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:51.420 There's no way I could do that today without Google. 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:56.100 And like, I still have no idea how I found like the star road or like how I found special 00:50:56.100 --> 00:50:57.460 world or zone or whatever. 00:50:57.460 --> 00:51:00.680 Like I have no idea, but somehow I did that as a kid without a guide. 00:51:00.680 --> 00:51:03.460 So that game still has like, yeah, I'm like, ha ha ha. 00:51:03.580 --> 00:51:07.780 Like you missed that thing because you didn't know it's like, I know I have that whole 00:51:07.780 --> 00:51:09.780 game like embedded in my brain. 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:13.180 So yeah, it's a, that's a nostalgia thing for me. 00:51:13.680 --> 00:51:15.560 Very cool, man. 00:51:15.640 --> 00:51:18.120 I don't want to put an age on you, but I'm going to put an age on you. 00:51:18.220 --> 00:51:19.540 How old are you? 00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:20.460 Oh boy. 00:51:20.680 --> 00:51:21.500 Uh, 27. 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:29.620 So you're 27 years old and you decided, Hey, I'm going to start a discipleship ministry 00:51:29.620 --> 00:51:32.720 on, uh, for, for video gaming. 00:51:32.720 --> 00:51:37.760 Like I just, and I asked that question, not cause you know, you're 27, but man, that's 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:43.240 impressive to have, to have, to have, to have that heart and that vision to do some non-traditional 00:51:43.240 --> 00:51:44.380 ministry like this. 00:51:44.380 --> 00:51:49.340 And so, man, I just wanted to encourage you in this, like you're, you're doing a lot of 00:51:49.340 --> 00:51:51.740 things, um, that are unconventional. 00:51:52.240 --> 00:51:59.640 You're, um, doing a discipleship only with no budget independent, uh, outside of a church. 00:51:59.640 --> 00:52:03.500 Yes, you work at a church and you're using resources, but it's, it's outside of that church's 00:52:03.500 --> 00:52:05.860 kind of direction, which is a great church. 00:52:06.160 --> 00:52:09.340 Um, and you're doing it centered around video games. 00:52:09.340 --> 00:52:12.240 It's like, there's a bunch of stuff that's like, that's not going to work. 00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:13.100 That's not going to work. 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:14.880 Why would you even try that? 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:20.040 Yet strangely, what you're seeing now, even within the past month or so, since we've been 00:52:20.040 --> 00:52:22.900 talking, you're seeing growth and development in those areas. 00:52:22.900 --> 00:52:25.880 So man, be encouraged by that. 00:52:26.220 --> 00:52:28.780 Uh, that's phenomenal listeners who are out there. 00:52:29.240 --> 00:52:36.140 Uh, man, be like Jade, uh, not, not like play seven hours of destiny in a row. 00:52:36.160 --> 00:52:43.860 But if you do play seven hours of destiny and God leads you to pull it, to, to have a conversation 00:52:43.860 --> 00:52:45.480 with somebody, how awesome is that? 00:52:45.600 --> 00:52:47.780 But no, take, take a risk, take a chance. 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:49.800 I put on Facebook a while back. 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:54.760 It's like, like the masters failed more than the, uh, than the apprentice has tried. 00:52:55.140 --> 00:52:57.340 And so get out there. 00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:58.460 That is deep, right? 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:03.480 Uh, it was on, it was on a Newhoff podcast, uh, maybe a month or so ago, but get out there 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:06.480 and try, get out there and take a chance. 00:53:06.560 --> 00:53:11.060 Try something different, uh, for the sake of the gospel, for the sake of, of discipleship, 00:53:11.100 --> 00:53:12.020 for the sake of the kingdom. 00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:12.620 Yeah. 00:53:13.680 --> 00:53:17.620 It's funny you mentioned that game, uh, Jeff, because you know, there's so many shared experiences 00:53:17.620 --> 00:53:22.720 that we have that take a long time that don't lead to gospel conversations that I'm like, 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:24.300 no, Jade took complete advantage of that. 00:53:24.540 --> 00:53:25.820 And so there's no time lost. 00:53:25.820 --> 00:53:27.880 Like Lauren and I went to a Red Sox game last week. 00:53:27.940 --> 00:53:28.420 We were in Boston. 00:53:28.540 --> 00:53:32.380 We were at a Sox game for like three or four hours that didn't lead to a gospel conversation 00:53:32.380 --> 00:53:34.440 afterwards, but man, if it did, that would have been amazing. 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:40.140 Uh, so many of us out there have seen Avengers end game that that's three hour block in the 00:53:40.140 --> 00:53:43.800 movie theater that if it led to a gospel conversation afterwards, man, that'd be huge. 00:53:44.180 --> 00:53:48.940 Jade leveraged a puzzle that brought in a whole lot of people that he wasn't, that he doesn't 00:53:48.940 --> 00:53:50.560 know and brought them together in community. 00:53:50.680 --> 00:53:52.540 And he leveraged that for the sake of the gospel. 00:53:52.780 --> 00:53:54.000 That's magnificent, man. 00:53:54.040 --> 00:53:57.420 I say, be like Jade, man, even if it means you're Spain spending three or four hours on 00:53:57.420 --> 00:53:59.440 a game and you're taking apart puzzles, man. 00:53:59.500 --> 00:54:00.500 I say, be like Jade, man. 00:54:00.580 --> 00:54:00.920 That's huge. 00:54:01.040 --> 00:54:01.480 There you go. 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.280 We're, we're all going to get like, be like Jade tattoos. 00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:05.580 It's going to be great. 00:54:05.780 --> 00:54:06.520 Don't do that. 00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:07.120 Yeah. 00:54:08.200 --> 00:54:13.560 I, I, I, I think I said this last time, but my, like, my prayer, like almost starts and 00:54:13.560 --> 00:54:15.340 ends with like, God, you got to humble me. 00:54:16.620 --> 00:54:21.380 So, I mean, like that, that is my, my biggest fear is like, no, like, I don't want to, 00:54:21.460 --> 00:54:23.640 I don't want to get like a bloated head about anything. 00:54:23.640 --> 00:54:26.880 So yeah, don't, do not get my name tattooed. 00:54:27.580 --> 00:54:28.500 That would be bad. 00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:29.900 Yeah, that would be bad. 00:54:30.180 --> 00:54:35.840 That, that mentality, like you're saying, just to, to end it is, is the, everything that 00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:37.920 you do, you know, do it for the glory of God. 00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:40.040 And so I know somebody is probably listening. 00:54:40.040 --> 00:54:43.300 That's like, but not this, you know, not this thing that I do. 00:54:43.300 --> 00:54:46.160 And it's like, I mean, what, what is this? 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:50.480 If, if it's something you can't do for the glory of God, you probably shouldn't be doing 00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:50.660 it. 00:54:50.660 --> 00:54:51.880 Let's put it that way, you know? 00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:54.300 So find something. 00:54:54.300 --> 00:54:57.740 And I don't think that means, you know, that we're going to have, you need to just be singing 00:54:57.740 --> 00:54:58.600 all the time. 00:54:58.600 --> 00:55:00.240 If that's what you do, then I mean, good. 00:55:00.640 --> 00:55:05.360 But like, take the things that you're doing and just think about it a little deeper, you 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:07.620 know, how can you find a community in that? 00:55:07.680 --> 00:55:09.300 And how can you be intentional? 00:55:09.300 --> 00:55:13.440 Like, that's our word for this year in Love Clan is it's doing the same things you were 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:14.800 doing, but you're doing them intentionally. 00:55:15.740 --> 00:55:21.000 And that's, that's also, it's just really important for discipleship is intentionality. 00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:22.720 Cool. 00:55:22.900 --> 00:55:27.240 Hey, Jay, if somebody wants to find Love Clan, if somebody wants to find you on social media, 00:55:27.460 --> 00:55:29.240 more information, where do they go? 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:30.300 Sure. 00:55:30.820 --> 00:55:33.260 Yeah, Love Clan, loveclan.net. 00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:34.420 I think that still works. 00:55:34.540 --> 00:55:35.480 I haven't checked it recently. 00:55:35.740 --> 00:55:36.400 We're Discord. 00:55:36.640 --> 00:55:40.520 So I usually send discord.gg backslash what is love. 00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:42.240 Baby, don't hurt me. 00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:48.280 And the, that, that's the usual ones that you'd look for. 00:55:48.600 --> 00:55:55.500 If you wanted to find me, I'm jadeerhart on Facebook, or sometimes I'll use tweets, but 00:55:55.500 --> 00:55:58.920 for the most part, it's just Facebook or Discord. 00:55:59.500 --> 00:56:03.380 My Discord's jate, pound, zero, zero, zero, one. 00:56:03.780 --> 00:56:06.040 So pretty easy to find there if you wanted. 00:56:06.780 --> 00:56:11.320 And loveclan.net does work as of when we recorded this. 00:56:11.540 --> 00:56:13.460 Yeah, it's supposed to be a link through, so. 00:56:15.180 --> 00:56:15.540 Awesome. 00:56:16.220 --> 00:56:19.260 Well, for Jay, for Ray, my name is Jeff. 00:56:19.420 --> 00:56:21.880 Man, it's been a great time and glad y'all could join us. 00:56:22.060 --> 00:56:24.460 And we'll see you next time on the Church Digital Podcast. 00:56:24.740 --> 00:56:25.240 Thanks, everybody.