WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.800 Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast, powered by Stadia Church Planting. 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:08.540 Through this podcast, learn about how God is using technology and innovation 00:00:08.540 --> 00:00:11.580 in digital and digital environments around the world. 00:00:12.100 --> 00:00:16.000 Our goal? To help churches like yours learn to be the church digitally. 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:21.600 Our heart? That churches like yours will discover a newfound focus on disciple-making 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:23.620 that will revolutionize your church. 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:26.660 And now, your host, here's Jeff Reed. 00:00:27.260 --> 00:00:30.720 Hey, I love this episode of Season 2 and where we're going. 00:00:30.860 --> 00:00:33.460 Remember, it's Jeff here with the Church Digital Podcast. 00:00:33.760 --> 00:00:36.280 All this is powered by Stadia Church Planting. 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:41.520 And in Season 2, we're highlighting the crazies, the people that are thinking different, 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:47.500 the churches that are wanting to experiment, to innovate, to do something different 00:00:47.500 --> 00:00:51.560 in context of ministry and experiment with a new idea. 00:00:51.700 --> 00:00:54.980 And we've got a crazy conversation set up with you today. 00:00:54.980 --> 00:00:56.620 I don't think it's that crazy. 00:00:56.960 --> 00:01:01.700 Like, in the grand scheme of thinking crazy, radical, outside of the box, 00:01:01.900 --> 00:01:04.640 this is not like John the Baptist eating locusts. 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:08.660 This is a safe idea that if you're not really doing this in 2021, 00:01:09.180 --> 00:01:12.580 actually, I think you're more of the crazy individual here 00:01:12.580 --> 00:01:15.040 because this is not a radical idea. 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:19.020 It's a safe idea that more churches need to buy into. 00:01:19.600 --> 00:01:23.460 And so I'm really looking forward to having this conversation with Tyler Sansom. 00:01:23.460 --> 00:01:25.620 Now, Tyler is the digital pastor. 00:01:25.700 --> 00:01:26.100 Excuse me. 00:01:26.340 --> 00:01:31.160 He's the lead pastor of a digital-only church called Church Anywhere. 00:01:31.540 --> 00:01:35.660 He works in conjuncture with First Capital Christian Church in Cordon, Indiana. 00:01:36.020 --> 00:01:40.300 And if I went back and looked at the number of times Tyler Sansom has been on this podcast, 00:01:40.460 --> 00:01:42.460 well, he is probably the frontrunner. 00:01:42.880 --> 00:01:47.020 Jay Cranda may be close to that, but it's either one of those two right now 00:01:47.020 --> 00:01:51.380 for a number of times being the guest here on the Church Digital Podcast. 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:56.320 And the topic that I want to get into, this completely safe idea, 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:59.960 not eating locusts, the thing that your church should be doing, 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:03.520 discipling people via a mobile app. 00:02:03.600 --> 00:02:04.880 Now, I hear you. 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:08.100 Church Home kind of got some heat a couple years back. 00:02:08.160 --> 00:02:09.840 Wait, you want to pastor people digitally? 00:02:09.980 --> 00:02:10.760 You can't do that. 00:02:11.140 --> 00:02:13.040 Well, actually, you can. 00:02:13.200 --> 00:02:14.640 And they've had success with it. 00:02:14.780 --> 00:02:21.060 And even what Tyler's talking about here, discipling people, offering discipleship, 00:02:21.420 --> 00:02:26.180 helping people grow spiritually, and what that looks like via a mobile app, 00:02:26.440 --> 00:02:29.220 that's not actually that radical of an idea. 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:34.080 And it's one that's having immense success with the churches that are doing it. 00:02:34.320 --> 00:02:38.940 And so if you think that's crazy, or if you want to figure out how to do this in your church, 00:02:39.060 --> 00:02:40.600 you need to listen to this conversation. 00:02:40.980 --> 00:02:45.940 So once again, I'm bringing Tyler Sansom, lead pastor of Church Anywhere, 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:49.180 and myself, Jeff with the Church Digital, and Stadia Church Planning, 00:02:49.640 --> 00:02:53.820 in a conversation that I'm simply calling Discipleship via mobile app. 00:02:54.140 --> 00:02:55.320 Okay, everybody, here you go. 00:02:55.620 --> 00:02:57.800 So, hey, just to get us started here, Tyler, 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:00.420 I was hearing the other day, we were talking, 00:03:00.860 --> 00:03:05.600 you've actually been traveling around, director of photography, DP-ing some movies. 00:03:06.160 --> 00:03:07.500 Why don't you tell us a little bit about that? 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:12.820 Yeah, so we did a movie as a church, came out in 2020. 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:16.960 And it's available on Amazon Prime as of today, actually. 00:03:17.300 --> 00:03:18.040 So that's exciting. 00:03:19.600 --> 00:03:22.900 Amazon Prime and some other cable networks picked it up, which is really cool. 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:27.600 But we had a lot of success, a lot of life changed from that as a church. 00:03:28.600 --> 00:03:31.400 So we decided to go kind of all in on that. 00:03:31.460 --> 00:03:36.480 And my leadership has allowed me to take three months this year and learn more about filmmaking, 00:03:36.480 --> 00:03:40.040 so that when our next project comes around, we'll be more prepared. 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:46.100 So I've been on three, I'll be on three movie shoots this year, all in different parts of the country. 00:03:46.340 --> 00:03:51.320 And I've been taking some of my crew from the church with me so they can learn as well. 00:03:51.880 --> 00:03:53.800 And it's been really, really awesome. 00:03:54.200 --> 00:03:58.080 Really cool to get away from, I've been doing full-time ministry since I was 19. 00:03:58.260 --> 00:04:02.380 So it's been cool to get on like a different environment and see how that goes. 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:05.320 So what's been the biggest lesson you've learned? 00:04:05.600 --> 00:04:09.860 You've been in full-time ministry or at least church ministry since you were 19. 00:04:10.540 --> 00:04:14.700 Now you're on these sets that, you know, I'm not saying they're godless, 00:04:14.820 --> 00:04:19.520 but they're not Christ-centered organizations that are happening. 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:22.340 Like, so what are you learning in these environments? 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:26.240 Man, it's a lot more cutthroat than I imagined it would be. 00:04:28.180 --> 00:04:32.720 When you watch a movie, you think like, man, these were like a really cohesive unit. 00:04:32.860 --> 00:04:38.540 Like the co-stars, they're great on the film, so they probably got along really well. 00:04:39.020 --> 00:04:40.380 That is not always the case. 00:04:40.520 --> 00:04:45.960 So there are definitely times where people will be fighting with each other right before cameras are rolling. 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.120 And then all of a sudden, they're best friends on the screen. 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:52.820 And it's just been, it blew my mind a little bit to learn that right off the bat. 00:04:53.700 --> 00:05:00.340 It's been a good experience to get to learn how to deal with different personality types, 00:05:00.660 --> 00:05:04.260 learn how to lead through different situations. 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:06.860 Overall, just a great experience. 00:05:07.080 --> 00:05:10.940 It's like a microcosm of leading a large church, 00:05:11.220 --> 00:05:15.300 except on like a small environment where we're all kind of living together for 20 days. 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:20.180 An indie film is really only 20 days to shoot from beginning to end? 00:05:20.420 --> 00:05:21.900 Yeah, it's 20 to 30. 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:24.740 Yeah, we shot, this last one we shot all of August, so. 00:05:25.080 --> 00:05:25.380 Okay. 00:05:25.540 --> 00:05:29.500 And so you've done two here in 2021, right? 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.680 Now you've got one more coming up in October, November? 00:05:33.080 --> 00:05:33.320 Yeah. 00:05:33.420 --> 00:05:33.640 Yeah. 00:05:33.700 --> 00:05:41.020 End of October through most of November out in the wine country of California. 00:05:41.420 --> 00:05:43.660 So Northwest California. 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:48.580 And First Capital, like you guys are looking at doing like one movie a year? 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:50.740 Is that what I'm understanding here in the future? 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:56.360 Yeah, it's going to probably be like one year of production, then the next year we pre-production. 00:05:56.700 --> 00:06:00.300 So the film will come out probably every two years, but we'll constantly be on the schedule 00:06:00.300 --> 00:06:02.160 of pre-production, production, and post-production. 00:06:02.640 --> 00:06:04.200 Is there anything your church doesn't do? 00:06:05.140 --> 00:06:08.800 Like I just, a medium-sized church, I don't know. 00:06:08.840 --> 00:06:11.600 We can talk more about like what the church is in this COVID season. 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:18.600 But it's like, man, for a medium-sized church, you guys are doing lots of creative things 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:23.840 with online and digital and micro and movies. 00:06:24.220 --> 00:06:27.440 Like, where does this passion come from? 00:06:27.780 --> 00:06:35.540 Man, we made the decision to really try to push people to use their passions for a kingdom 00:06:35.540 --> 00:06:36.140 purpose. 00:06:36.660 --> 00:06:41.460 So like one of our core values of the church is that we want everyone to be a missionary. 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:45.560 But that doesn't necessarily look like what you'd normally think of as a missionary. 00:06:45.840 --> 00:06:49.580 We want people to be able to use, like if they're passionate about acting, let's figure 00:06:49.580 --> 00:06:52.440 out a way to get you an opportunity to use that for Jesus. 00:06:53.780 --> 00:06:59.540 And it gets messy and it gets chaotic a little bit when you empower people to do stuff. 00:06:59.700 --> 00:07:03.220 But we also start to see a lot of life change and a lot of discipleship happening. 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:06.040 And that's what we've seen through these movies. 00:07:06.300 --> 00:07:11.580 We get to baptize about 25 people who watched A Father's Fight, which had been out in 00:07:11.580 --> 00:07:11.940 theaters. 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:18.000 And now, like last week, one of the guys we baptized, he saw that movie and accepted Jesus 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:18.880 for the first time. 00:07:19.320 --> 00:07:21.600 He baptized two people in our service. 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:27.140 And so all of that was just because we allowed some people to follow their passions and let 00:07:27.140 --> 00:07:28.440 God use them. 00:07:28.900 --> 00:07:33.660 25 people got baptized as a result of Father's Fight within your church. 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:38.780 And you've already seen generations happen as a result of a one guy was able to baptize 00:07:38.780 --> 00:07:39.360 two others. 00:07:40.020 --> 00:07:43.660 Man, what an exciting life change story. 00:07:44.080 --> 00:07:47.160 Like, man, there's some churches that would kill for something like that. 00:07:47.260 --> 00:07:48.920 That's maybe that's a bad analogy. 00:07:49.180 --> 00:07:50.160 But yeah, you get my heart. 00:07:50.540 --> 00:07:51.360 It's been amazing. 00:07:51.620 --> 00:07:53.460 We actually baptized the lead actor. 00:07:54.640 --> 00:07:58.000 He had never, never been a Christian. 00:07:58.340 --> 00:08:05.000 He'd grown up around the church, but he auditioned for this role, drove from Columbus, Ohio to 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:06.000 be part of our cast. 00:08:06.200 --> 00:08:11.980 And then after about the third day of production, he was like, man, there's something to this. 00:08:12.020 --> 00:08:13.400 And there's these people are different. 00:08:13.400 --> 00:08:14.640 And I want to be a part of it. 00:08:14.640 --> 00:08:18.540 And we baptized him on set, which is, and now he's a part of our Church Anywhere family. 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:21.360 So he and his family join us every week from Columbus. 00:08:21.840 --> 00:08:22.700 Very, very cool. 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:23.460 All right. 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:25.000 I'm going to geek out on one thing. 00:08:25.060 --> 00:08:26.140 I'm going to want to talk tech. 00:08:26.300 --> 00:08:27.920 And then we're going to get to the heart of the podcast. 00:08:28.820 --> 00:08:29.940 So what do you shoot? 00:08:30.080 --> 00:08:32.540 What are you shooting with when you're doing the DP? 00:08:32.800 --> 00:08:36.360 Yeah, I'm shooting with Z cams, which are cinema cameras. 00:08:36.880 --> 00:08:38.660 We're shooting with the 6K version. 00:08:39.500 --> 00:08:42.820 So they're 6K Super 35 sensors. 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:48.020 So it's not quite full frame, but it's somewhere in between micro four thirds and full frame. 00:08:48.680 --> 00:08:52.540 And then I'm shooting on Sigma Cinema Glass. 00:08:52.540 --> 00:08:59.080 So it's the top of the line kind of glass there. 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.100 Yeah, I was about to say the Sigmas, that's the expensive word. 00:09:02.400 --> 00:09:03.960 Yeah, they're pretty legit. 00:09:04.460 --> 00:09:06.880 They weigh about 15 pounds a lens. 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.520 So you have to have some serious support for them. 00:09:10.800 --> 00:09:16.920 But this last movie we got to shoot involved a lot of driving scenes, not like car chase, but just people in cars. 00:09:17.140 --> 00:09:24.000 So we had a lot of fun trying to rig up like 40 pounds of camera onto cars, which was a blast. 00:09:24.280 --> 00:09:26.600 Inside or outside, wherever you could get it to mount. 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:27.300 Oh, yeah. 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:28.620 Very cool. 00:09:28.780 --> 00:09:30.580 Like I said, sorry about that moment over. 00:09:30.760 --> 00:09:32.680 So let's get to the heart of the podcast here. 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:52.160 Man, it's so exciting to hear how church like First Capital is thinking different, doing what they're doing with the film, giving you freedom to explore and to learn new things, even by going out into the industry and being part of three indie movies and taking others to kind of learn from there. 00:09:52.220 --> 00:10:01.680 One of the lessons that I want to learn from you guys specifically in this conversation really centers around what you're doing with a mobile app. 00:10:01.680 --> 00:10:18.200 And so, you know, I've always have felt and have encouraged churches to the point of by doing mobile app, by doing digital discipleship, that the mobile app really needs to be the heart of your discipleship process. 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:25.840 And that we're missing this huge opportunity with the mobile app by just doing, you know, sermons and sermon notes and things like this. 00:10:25.920 --> 00:10:27.480 But really, there's a community aspect. 00:10:27.760 --> 00:10:32.640 And the disciple making process is such a great idea to be intertwined within the mobile app. 00:10:32.820 --> 00:10:47.060 I know you guys within the past six months, four months, we can drill into it, but have launched this one step mobile app, which really does a lot of the stuff that you and I, we've had collective conversations like this over the months as well. 00:10:47.760 --> 00:10:51.520 Maybe tell me a little bit, what are you guys doing with this one step mobile app? 00:10:51.520 --> 00:10:58.480 Yeah, so we made, we made all of 2021 really about taking one step closer to Jesus. 00:10:58.800 --> 00:11:11.760 So we use some passages from the New Testament to create like a year long sermon series, really trying to get our people to understand like, what is a disciple? 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:22.360 And here's, we landed on this, a disciple is someone who picks up their cross daily, and they follow Jesus, and they die to themselves. 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:30.320 So like, that's pretty, pretty simple how Jesus said it, deny yourself, pick up your cross daily, follow me. 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:38.280 And so the way we branded that was, we're going to take one step closer to Jesus every day for this year. 00:11:40.800 --> 00:11:52.200 About, let's see, probably around April, we started developing an app that would be a habit former to help people do those four things. 00:11:52.200 --> 00:12:02.120 So what, what are some ways that we can use technology to help people build habits to where they're actually denying themselves, picking up their cross daily and following Jesus? 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:14.480 And we came up with this one step closer app, really, all it is, is, it's, it's not branded for First Capital or for church anywhere, like anyone can use it wherever they're at, any church could pick it up, whatever. 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:22.600 It is three challenges to be like Jesus, be with Jesus, and do the things that Jesus did. 00:12:23.060 --> 00:12:26.760 And those three challenges have a different prompt every single day on the app. 00:12:27.980 --> 00:12:33.700 So it could be things like read this passage of scripture today, or it could be pray with somebody you never prayed for today. 00:12:34.140 --> 00:12:38.180 All of these things are designed to help you take one step closer to Jesus on a daily basis. 00:12:38.980 --> 00:12:47.340 Within the app, there's also options to chat with people about what God is doing in your life through this app. 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:55.600 So maybe the prompt one day could, would, would be like, pay for someone's meal at a restaurant to show them the love of Christ. 00:12:55.840 --> 00:13:02.800 And then once you do that, you could get on to the chat function and talk about how God changed you through that process. 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:07.780 So really it's, it's designed to be a habit builder and also a relationship builder. 00:13:08.500 --> 00:13:12.980 How, you launched, you started designing it in April, you said, when did it launch? 00:13:13.380 --> 00:13:14.880 June, July, somewhere around there? 00:13:14.940 --> 00:13:15.660 June, yeah. 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:17.540 How's it been received? 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:19.520 So far, it's been received really well. 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:25.340 We are consistently having more downloads every week. 00:13:25.340 --> 00:13:30.080 We're consistently having more opens every week, which is really, really good. 00:13:31.660 --> 00:13:35.720 We've been working on getting a team together to create the prompts. 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:44.000 So that's volunteer opportunities from people within our church that gives them an opportunity to be a part of this discipleship process. 00:13:44.900 --> 00:13:46.520 And so that's been really good. 00:13:46.760 --> 00:13:56.480 I think the biggest thing that in my personal life, the push notifications to remind me to do this every day, as simple as that sounds, is a huge deal. 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:59.500 Like we got it, we all had a meeting this morning at 6 a.m. 00:13:59.500 --> 00:14:03.140 And you could hear everyone's push notification go off at the same time. 00:14:03.860 --> 00:14:10.400 But that's 20 people in a room that now are reminded to take one step closer to Jesus that day, which is a, that's a big deal. 00:14:10.400 --> 00:14:17.440 If people would actually do those three things every day and take one step closer, I think our communities would start to see a lot of change. 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:23.460 What does, so you're, you're developing like volunteers to help create some of the content. 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:27.600 Has, has it been hard recruiting, casting vision, sharing those ideas? 00:14:27.680 --> 00:14:30.480 Do they, you know, do they jump on it, on it quickly? 00:14:30.620 --> 00:14:32.260 Like talk to me a little bit about that process. 00:14:32.460 --> 00:14:48.460 I think it really depends on who the volunteer is, um, if it's a really high capacity person that's kind of in the know, um, for lack of better language, um, if they're, they're pretty invested in what we're doing as a church with the vision, um, then it's not hard to get them on board. 00:14:48.860 --> 00:14:57.420 But if it was somebody that, uh, just came, uh, maybe for the first time and wants to get involved and then doesn't know anything about who we are, uh, it's a little bit harder, but so. 00:14:57.820 --> 00:15:02.960 So with like, what, what is your, how many people do you have on that team now currently, or what's your desired goal? 00:15:03.020 --> 00:15:03.820 What are you trying to get to? 00:15:04.040 --> 00:15:04.520 Right now? 00:15:04.620 --> 00:15:06.100 Uh, so I don't lead this team. 00:15:06.100 --> 00:15:12.080 Um, Patrick Gard is, I wish a pastor leads this team, but I think he's got like four, uh, on the team right now. 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:13.300 Um, which is good. 00:15:13.300 --> 00:15:16.400 Cause then like you can take a week at a time kind of deal. 00:15:16.940 --> 00:15:20.040 Um, everything is saved into like one folder. 00:15:20.420 --> 00:15:22.120 Uh, so it's easily reusable. 00:15:22.800 --> 00:15:27.020 Um, so if we had a prompt from June or something, you might see it again in like October. 00:15:27.020 --> 00:15:33.720 It wouldn't be very repetitive that way, but, um, we're kind of just building a database with like four people making the content. 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:43.140 There were times in my life where we were doing like a daily devotional that was written up and, uh, we're going through, you know, different books of the Bible, uh, with time with God. 00:15:43.140 --> 00:15:49.760 When I was at Austin Ridge and, uh, but it was like just exhaustive, uh, number of volunteer writers. 00:15:50.540 --> 00:16:04.860 Um, and then you'd have to, you know, proof it and get an editor in place to, uh, gather it together and make sure it's, and it's just, it got so, it was such a massive movement, but the idea of what you're describing, you know, it feels a little lighter. 00:16:04.860 --> 00:16:11.360 Maybe not as, uh, maybe not as grandiose, uh, much more manageable, especially via the mobile app. 00:16:11.760 --> 00:16:16.760 Um, hey, who, like, was there a vendor that was involved with the mobile app? 00:16:16.820 --> 00:16:19.280 Was this like, who, who are you guys building this through? 00:16:19.760 --> 00:16:25.320 Yeah, we are going, we went through subsplash, um, and they were super easy to work with. 00:16:25.400 --> 00:16:31.800 Um, they jumped on a zoom call with us and we had, we had to like five or six times say, this is not a church app. 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:34.260 Um, and then they finally got it. 00:16:34.260 --> 00:16:38.240 And then once they got it, they were like, oh sweet, let's help figure out ways we can make this happen. 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:42.560 Um, so right off the bat, like, it's not a church app at all. 00:16:42.680 --> 00:16:47.320 Like if you're looking for information on first capital, you won't find it anywhere within the app. 00:16:48.060 --> 00:16:54.560 Um, but that's not the norm that I think people like subsplash, aware three, things like that. 00:16:54.640 --> 00:17:00.220 They don't usually work with that type of app, but they were super easy to, to work with once they got the vision. 00:17:00.220 --> 00:17:09.360 Did, uh, it's, it's funny subsplash, uh, we've got another podcast scheduled in a couple of weeks with, um, Lee Coat, uh, is the executive pastor over at the crossings church. 00:17:09.360 --> 00:17:19.960 And they were doing not an app similar to yours, but a non church church app, um, that's basically really centered around their discipleship structure. 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:21.720 And I didn't realize both of you guys were subsplash. 00:17:21.780 --> 00:17:22.680 I think that's kind of funny. 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:25.360 Uh, no, this is not a commercial for subsplash. 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:28.280 Although I really do love the corporation of subsplash. 00:17:28.580 --> 00:17:32.200 Uh, did you guys have to like customize any features? 00:17:32.300 --> 00:17:40.200 Did they have to build anything custom or is this just like out open box kind of feature set, what you would normally get if you have a subsplash app? 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:45.480 Yeah, there, we did not do any custom build, um, that would have been way out of our budget. 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:52.160 Um, and so we kind of just took what they, um, offered and had to figure it out. 00:17:52.740 --> 00:17:55.520 Uh, so there's still some things that I wish we could change. 00:17:55.520 --> 00:18:00.980 Like for example, post scheduling, the only way to do that is to have two clicks on the app. 00:18:01.100 --> 00:18:06.120 So like you wouldn't be able to just open the app like it is now and hit one of the prompts and see what it says. 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:10.640 You would hit a prompt and then hit a second button and that is the only way we can schedule outposts. 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:18.260 So right now we're having to go in every morning and actually post these things, um, which is like tedious after a while. 00:18:19.220 --> 00:18:22.460 But how many, how many clicks are you going to get from people? 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:23.120 You know what I mean? 00:18:23.120 --> 00:18:25.100 So you already have to get them to open the app. 00:18:25.100 --> 00:18:26.840 You don't want to go further than that. 00:18:26.940 --> 00:18:31.160 Um, so that just some of those workarounds of just kind of have things that we just have to do. 00:18:31.540 --> 00:18:33.880 So what time is, what time does it get posted every morning? 00:18:34.100 --> 00:18:35.580 Uh, usually around seven. 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:38.000 Yeah, 6.50, seven, something like that. 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:39.420 Who, who gets the wake up call? 00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:40.880 Who, who, who manages that? 00:18:41.120 --> 00:18:42.020 The 7 a.m. post? 00:18:42.060 --> 00:18:46.980 Patrick typically will post it, um, at like right before he goes to bed. 00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:54.200 So like at 10 at night and then set a push notification, schedule a push notification for seven. 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:58.080 So technically it's the prompt for the next day is already on there by like 10 o'clock. 00:18:58.580 --> 00:19:02.640 So, so the 5 a.m. people, they get the content, but they don't get the notification. 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:03.380 I see. 00:19:04.220 --> 00:19:04.580 Yeah. 00:19:04.660 --> 00:19:05.700 Until after the fact. 00:19:05.820 --> 00:19:06.020 Okay. 00:19:06.420 --> 00:19:08.200 That, that feels a little better. 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:18.220 Um, so you mentioned like other churches utilizing it, you know, and, and through First Capital Church Anywhere, like you guys have a broad spread. 00:19:18.900 --> 00:19:25.980 Um, and when you're looking at the opens, do you have any, any, um, like analytics on where it's getting open? 00:19:26.100 --> 00:19:30.340 Do you have any partnerships with churches beyond like, talk to me a little bit about the spread of this thing? 00:19:30.340 --> 00:19:42.940 Um, yeah, outside of just, um, like contact by contact basis of different churches that have told us, Hey, we're like, we're trying this out or different pastors that we've sent it to and said, Hey, would you try this out? 00:19:42.940 --> 00:19:45.540 Um, um, we don't have any analytics based on location. 00:19:45.540 --> 00:19:54.000 Um, that would be one feature that I wish that, um, was available to us because it would be really nice to see where everyone's opening it from. 00:19:54.000 --> 00:20:05.100 Um, but we really just have like the opens, the time spent on the app and, um, we have like impressions on the app store, which is not really helpful for what we're trying to do and downloads and downloads. 00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:06.900 Well, yeah, I mean that, that, that would be nice. 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:10.420 So, um, uh, other churches, have they been interested in this? 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:13.220 The ones that you've sent it to, are you seeing any traction? 00:20:13.620 --> 00:20:18.680 We've had several youth groups that have, um, like jumped on board. 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:24.300 So they're using as a collective youth group to, to disciple their kids, um, things like that. 00:20:24.340 --> 00:20:25.820 So we've had a few, a few bites on that. 00:20:26.360 --> 00:20:34.280 Um, the really nice part about using a mobile app for discipleship is that, um, it's very easy next. 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:35.640 It's a very easy next step. 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:47.980 So I was at the gym and, um, I don't even remember how we got into this conversation, but the trainer at the gym was talking about how they were looking for, um, 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.140 like a way to learn more about church, learn more about Jesus. 00:20:52.580 --> 00:20:59.540 Um, but it's so overwhelming with the amount of like Bible studies that they could get or things that they could find online. 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:07.420 And it was very easy for me to say like, Hey, what if you had this app that just told you to do like one or two things every day that would help you get closer to Jesus. 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.000 And I like walked her through how to download it right there. 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:13.360 That's super easy to be able to do, especially for new believers. 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:15.300 So readily accessible. 00:21:15.820 --> 00:21:24.500 Um, you've, you've got, you know, new believers to your describing, you know, it's just an opportunity to connect with, um, different people, giving them access to this. 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:28.060 Are there, do you, is it everybody that's on the same track? 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:29.860 Are there multiple tracks? 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:33.200 Do you, do you separate like a new believer track versus something else? 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:35.680 Like what's maybe even what's the roadmap future? 00:21:35.760 --> 00:21:36.300 What are you thinking? 00:21:36.760 --> 00:21:36.880 Yeah. 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:45.140 So since it's habit forming and we're really trying to just hit those three things of doing things Jesus did, being with Jesus and, um, becoming like Jesus. 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:55.040 Um, it's really for any Christian new or old, because all of us need to continue to form habits in our, um, discipleship process. 00:21:55.580 --> 00:21:57.600 Um, we all need spiritual formation. 00:21:57.940 --> 00:22:03.000 And so there's not really a, like, if you've been a Christian this long, you do this. 00:22:03.060 --> 00:22:05.620 And if you have been a Christian for a short amount of time, you do this. 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:09.980 It's really been a, here's how you can take one simple step towards Jesus today. 00:22:10.500 --> 00:22:20.420 Why a mobile app, you know, instead of a mobile website, um, I don't know, smoke signals, just like why choose a mobile app for this, for this format? 00:22:20.540 --> 00:22:23.320 A bunch of emails daily, you know, that's what I've done in the past. 00:22:23.620 --> 00:22:25.200 Why go with the mobile app tool? 00:22:25.620 --> 00:22:27.320 For us, the notification was a big one. 00:22:27.320 --> 00:22:38.420 Um, if we're really trying to form habits with people, being able to, um, remind them on a daily basis to do these things, it was the biggest, um, selling point for an app. 00:22:38.620 --> 00:22:43.640 Cause we, we, like, we've thought about using a Facebook group and things like that and just posting in it. 00:22:43.780 --> 00:22:47.600 But, um, it's one thing to have a Facebook group with the notification within Facebook. 00:22:47.600 --> 00:22:54.600 It's another thing to like physically get in or virtually get in notification every morning that has the one step closer app logo on it that says, 00:22:54.700 --> 00:22:56.580 Hey, if you want to be like Jesus today, do this. 00:22:57.480 --> 00:22:59.380 Um, so that was the big selling point. 00:22:59.780 --> 00:23:04.300 I mean, when you're, it's definitely gives you the opportunity to beat the algorithm of Facebook. 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:09.480 You don't have to worry about, um, well, am I going to get, is this going to get through? 00:23:09.620 --> 00:23:15.400 Are they going to see this notification among the 400 others that you're going to see over the course of a day on Facebook? 00:23:15.740 --> 00:23:17.840 Plus it's, it's, it's real estate that we own. 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:23.380 I mean, it's, it's, it's internet real estate that is owned and operated by us through subsplash. 00:23:23.500 --> 00:23:30.620 Um, so unless we stop paying our bills, we get controlled over what's on this app and who sees it and how it's seen. 00:23:31.340 --> 00:23:32.360 Very cool, man. 00:23:32.420 --> 00:23:35.380 What's, what's been the biggest success by doing this via mobile app? 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:40.660 What maybe what have been some obstacles or challenges that you've overcome or are overcoming? 00:23:40.940 --> 00:23:42.180 Uh, tell me some of the story here. 00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:52.000 Yeah, I think some of the biggest, uh, success points have just been, uh, getting, hearing stories of like people saying that they prayed with somebody for the first time in their life out loud. 00:23:52.460 --> 00:23:55.240 Or, um, well, here's a good one. 00:23:55.240 --> 00:24:02.120 Um, we had a, a family who, um, was neighbors with someone who had a kid that, um, ran away. 00:24:02.380 --> 00:24:04.220 So the kid ran away. 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:18.280 Um, and while he, like, he was still gone, the neighbors that were at our church got the notification one morning and the, the, um, app challenged them to pray with someone they've never prayed with before. 00:24:19.040 --> 00:24:24.340 So they were like, all right, God, I'll walk over to my neighbor's house that I don't know. 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:27.520 And I'm going to pray with them because I heard their kid had ran away. 00:24:28.060 --> 00:24:34.280 And, um, so they prayed with this family and now they have a relationship with their neighbors that they never had before. 00:24:34.860 --> 00:24:43.740 Um, and all it was, was a simple prompt that said, pray with somebody you've never prayed with, but God used that in a much bigger way than we ever intended for it to be used. 00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:58.280 And I think that that's like, in a nutshell, what we do, um, at Church Anywhere is that we just kind of provide tools for people, um, to either build relationships or have experiences so that God can use them for bigger things than we imagined. 00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:01.720 I'm, I'm trying to think like subsplash as a general rule. 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:05.260 Like that's, it's not, it's not an expensive tool. 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:13.180 Maybe, I mean, in the grand scheme of things, it's not free like Facebook, but do you have any, do you know off the top of your head how much this costs like monthly or annually? 00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:17.240 I believe it's going to, it's like $2,500 a year, something like that. 00:25:17.620 --> 00:25:20.000 I mean, yeah, that, that's, that's, that's costly. 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:27.480 But in the grand scheme of, of what you're doing in the reach that you're able to have, like $2,500, that's $200 a month. 00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:29.200 That's, uh, what is that? 00:25:29.260 --> 00:25:30.140 $3 a day? 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:37.740 Well, to put it this way, we're, we're right at about a thousand downloads right now, um, which is pretty good for three months of launch. 00:25:38.340 --> 00:25:45.680 Um, so we're spending what, $2 a day or $2 per person to help them take one step closer to Jesus per year. 00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:53.600 Like when you put it in, in terms like that, like what I would spend $2 to help you follow Jesus better every day. 00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:56.180 Like, I think you would do the same and many people would. 00:25:56.340 --> 00:25:59.320 So it's pretty, pretty big return on investment. 00:25:59.800 --> 00:26:06.760 Do you have, within the tool itself, like, is there a giving tool where people can, or I should say donation tool to donate to the cause? 00:26:06.820 --> 00:26:10.240 Or you're just running it through the operations of, uh, First Capital? 00:26:10.580 --> 00:26:12.700 Yeah, we're just running it through the operations of our church. 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:15.380 Where'd this, where'd the idea from this come from? 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:19.140 Like, what was the, you hit your head one day on a sink? 00:26:19.220 --> 00:26:20.540 Like what, who, when was this? 00:26:20.580 --> 00:26:21.560 Oh man, this is, we got it. 00:26:21.560 --> 00:26:22.200 We got to do this. 00:26:22.260 --> 00:26:22.760 Where'd it come from? 00:26:22.760 --> 00:26:33.760 Yeah, um, that's probably a much larger conversation, but we, uh, we've been kicking around all of these different ways to structure a discipleship plan, um, really since COVID hit. 00:26:34.460 --> 00:26:53.880 And like, we've rethought so many things, um, We had this idea about aisles and using, uh, using like concepts and having like these metaphorical aisles where we would imagine us walking through like a store aisle and like picking things off a shelf. 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:58.440 And each thing that we picked off a shelf would be something that we wanted our people to take out of this concept. 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.400 It's kind of, it's a really quick way of describing it. 00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:08.940 So if it was like a series about generosity, maybe on one of the shelves, we have like a sermon series about generosity. 00:27:09.260 --> 00:27:14.160 And then on another shelf, we'd have a giving opportunity where there's a specific cause to give to. 00:27:14.260 --> 00:27:16.980 And then maybe on another shelf, it was like, how do we get the kids involved? 00:27:17.760 --> 00:27:25.020 Um, all of that culminated into, um, what if we did that on a daily basis with, with something that we could send notifications to people? 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:31.400 So how do we like provide people these items off the shelves on an easily, easily accessible way? 00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:33.520 And that's kind of where the app birthed from. 00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:35.260 Very, very cool. 00:27:35.260 --> 00:27:38.900 That was like two minutes of like a nine to 10 month conversation. 00:27:39.760 --> 00:27:41.720 The fast, the fast forward version, right? 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:44.440 Uh, you know, it's hold down on the virtual VCR button. 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.060 Uh, so what's next? 00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:46.840 Where are you going with this? 00:27:47.060 --> 00:27:52.580 Um, I think we're going to continue to, um, continue to refine our content that's on it. 00:27:53.120 --> 00:27:57.440 Um, continue to push people to use the community function a little bit more. 00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:01.940 Um, that's been one of the bigger challenges is how to get people to actually talk to each other on it. 00:28:02.020 --> 00:28:04.000 We know they're using it in their personal lives. 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:06.940 How do we get them to share it, um, with others? 00:28:07.540 --> 00:28:16.820 And then, uh, beyond that, we'll continue to, um, to use it as part of our discipleship process here in person and online with what we do at church anywhere. 00:28:16.820 --> 00:28:22.040 It's going to just become a staple of, excuse me, of who we are this fall. 00:28:22.280 --> 00:28:34.640 Um, we're launching something called one step closer together, um, where we're actually meeting both in person and online and going through the chosen, um, the, the, uh, web series, the chosen. 00:28:35.420 --> 00:28:38.740 And, um, using that as like small group curriculum. 00:28:38.740 --> 00:28:43.780 Um, so these won't be like long-term small groups, but they'll be short-term small groups. 00:28:44.340 --> 00:28:57.840 And, uh, we'll use the app, um, for the, so like if that's a weekly gathering with the chosen, we'll use the app as the supplementary daily, um, content that people can talk about within those small groups. 00:28:57.940 --> 00:29:00.440 So it's all under that one step closer brand. 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:09.580 Um, but we're doing one step closer together as like a gathering experience and then using the app as the content that the small group talks through during the week. 00:29:09.820 --> 00:29:12.440 What, how'd you, did you like call the chosen? 00:29:12.580 --> 00:29:13.680 Did you have a contact over there? 00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:14.900 Like how'd you get connected with them? 00:29:15.140 --> 00:29:16.200 This is a crazy story. 00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:20.380 Um, they actually did Kappa studios actually did the audio for a father's fight. 00:29:20.620 --> 00:29:20.940 Oh, really? 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:21.520 Yeah. 00:29:21.560 --> 00:29:22.660 So that's how we got the connection. 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:36.980 Um, yeah, they do something called Christian film finishing funds and it's for people who are like ministry based, um, filmmakers who might not have the budget of like a studio, um, like the backing of a studio. 00:29:36.980 --> 00:29:40.700 And so we applied for it and we were one of the first films that they, um, helped out. 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:52.620 So, uh, they have a 501c3 that people donate to and whatever they get in donations, they'll pick a few films a year and just like donate post production services or gear or whatever. 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:58.240 And so they did all of our, um, audio mixing and mastering, uh, for us for a father's fight. 00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:00.820 And then we just became friends with the people over there. 00:30:00.980 --> 00:30:02.080 So that's how we got the connection. 00:30:02.600 --> 00:30:03.800 That's awesome, man. 00:30:04.220 --> 00:30:06.960 That's, uh, well, and helped you with the father's fight. 00:30:06.980 --> 00:30:10.300 And then that, that relationship that went on to help with, with chosen. 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:14.140 I mean, I love some of the stuff I'm seeing from those guys, um, and gals. 00:30:14.320 --> 00:30:16.060 I'm sure, I'm sure really, really good stuff. 00:30:17.100 --> 00:30:19.120 So, Hey, I'm a church that wants to do this. 00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:19.880 How do I get started? 00:30:20.120 --> 00:30:22.520 Like, give me advice, point me in the right direction. 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:23.060 Yeah. 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:24.260 Uh, just do it. 00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:30.940 Just, um, no, I think I'm the biggest, the biggest thing that you can do is figure out where you want to go. 00:30:30.980 --> 00:30:33.580 Um, with your discipleship path. 00:30:33.840 --> 00:30:42.340 I mean, you've, you've talked on probably 20 podcasts on discipleship paths and different strategies for discipleship, uh, whether online or in person. 00:30:42.340 --> 00:30:51.200 Um, but pick one and define it and then figure out how to get your people from point A to point B or beyond. 00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:57.140 And then, um, you will use whatever tools are necessary to make that happen for us. 00:30:57.220 --> 00:31:03.240 It was an app, um, which was easy to set up because people like subsplash, but for other people, it could be a Facebook group. 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:04.500 It could be an email chain. 00:31:05.020 --> 00:31:12.020 Um, it could be zoom meetings, uh, whatever it is, just define where you want to go and then lead towards that. 00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:21.240 So within, I mean, within your app, you, the, your platform agnostic has been the term that I use, like between zoom meetings and things like this. 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:29.620 It's, it's very, you're not, you don't care how, what tools they use to communicate as much as what they're, you're, they're communicating just that they need to communicate. 00:31:29.620 --> 00:31:29.920 Right. 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:30.840 Yeah. 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:37.800 Find where the people are, um, and then communicate your vision and get people on board to follow that vision. 00:31:37.800 --> 00:31:45.140 Um, whether that's through discipleship or evangelism or outreach or whatever it is, um, find out where people are for us. 00:31:45.140 --> 00:31:51.740 Um, we made the decision that we would get the most return on investment with push notifications on people's cell phones. 00:31:51.740 --> 00:31:52.780 That's why we went with an app. 00:31:52.780 --> 00:31:54.980 Um, but it could be through a Facebook group. 00:31:55.060 --> 00:32:03.840 If you have like a thriving Facebook group, then use that and then push your vision, um, through that in, um, creative ways. 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.100 Are you finding that people are, um, 00:32:07.800 --> 00:32:14.120 are the people that are using this, are they part of the physical campus as well as digital? 00:32:14.220 --> 00:32:15.260 Is it digital only? 00:32:15.260 --> 00:32:19.960 Like what, how are you marketing this to the people involved at first capital? 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.120 And what have you seen response wise that you can tell? 00:32:22.120 --> 00:32:29.320 I would say it's a, probably a really healthy mix of both, um, based on the people that are using the chat function, function and people we've heard from. 00:32:30.700 --> 00:32:40.160 Uh, I would say it's maybe 50, 50, maybe a little bit more on the digital side than the physical side, but we mentioned it every week during service in our physical location. 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.380 And we mentioned it all the time online. 00:32:42.600 --> 00:32:45.260 Um, we've run paid ads and things like that as well. 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:47.840 Uh, especially at the beginning when we launched it. 00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:53.960 Um, so I think it's a healthy blend of fidgetal, which is nice. 00:32:54.220 --> 00:32:58.560 Oh, and even saying the word fidgetal, man, brown nosing, scoring those points. 00:32:58.660 --> 00:32:59.780 I, I, I see you. 00:32:59.920 --> 00:33:00.760 Well, well done, sir. 00:33:01.040 --> 00:33:02.460 Jeff, you don't, you don't even know, man. 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:06.680 Like you have, you impacted our entire church culture with that word. 00:33:06.980 --> 00:33:10.900 And it was like at a random, I don't even, do you remember the first time you said it? 00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:11.680 Me? 00:33:12.060 --> 00:33:12.320 Yeah. 00:33:13.120 --> 00:33:15.560 Um, no, honestly. 00:33:16.080 --> 00:33:23.720 I remember it because we were, we were, um, planning out, um, church IT network like three, three or four years ago. 00:33:23.860 --> 00:33:30.520 And you said it on a zoom call with, uh, me, Jason Lee, um, Dave Adamson, a few of those guys. 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:33.680 And then I remember you saying, Whoa, I should coin that. 00:33:33.760 --> 00:33:34.480 That's a great word. 00:33:34.520 --> 00:33:35.520 I'm going to use that for now. 00:33:38.360 --> 00:33:39.160 And you did. 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.700 And then we, we started to use part of our language here. 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:42.900 That's awesome. 00:33:43.520 --> 00:33:44.460 Well, well done. 00:33:44.600 --> 00:33:44.740 Yeah. 00:33:44.800 --> 00:33:47.680 That, that, that's been a minute since that, since some of those zoom calls. 00:33:48.020 --> 00:33:48.180 Yeah. 00:33:48.280 --> 00:33:50.660 I think that was Washington DC that year. 00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:56.500 So, uh, maybe, maybe, maybe Kansas city, maybe Kansas city. 00:33:56.940 --> 00:34:00.220 I don't, I wasn't involved in, maybe I wasn't, dude, I'll be honest. 00:34:00.300 --> 00:34:03.920 I mean, that was pre COVID was like a different era. 00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:05.500 It's almost like a different millennia. 00:34:05.780 --> 00:34:08.160 Um, I can't even keep, keep it all straight. 00:34:08.160 --> 00:34:08.960 I was at DC. 00:34:09.120 --> 00:34:14.360 I just don't think I was involved with leading it, uh, at least to the level that I am now with, um, uh, 00:34:14.520 --> 00:34:20.440 what I did when, uh, Kansas city, but anyway, man, that's a, that's a throwback right there. 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.280 And I, you know, and I've heard, I, you know, for me, it was when I heard Randy say the word 00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.360 fidgetal, I was watching one of your streams or something. 00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:28.420 He likes that in the middle of a service, you know? 00:34:28.420 --> 00:34:31.340 And I was like, I got your lead pastors, Randy, right? 00:34:31.420 --> 00:34:32.420 I don't trip on that. 00:34:32.420 --> 00:34:32.560 Right. 00:34:32.600 --> 00:34:32.760 Yeah. 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:33.020 Okay. 00:34:33.220 --> 00:34:34.960 Lead pastor, Randy says that from the pulpit. 00:34:35.040 --> 00:34:37.360 I was like, Hey, I like that. 00:34:37.420 --> 00:34:38.760 He, he, he did that. 00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:39.680 That that's pretty nice. 00:34:39.680 --> 00:34:39.880 Yeah. 00:34:39.940 --> 00:34:40.520 I see that. 00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:41.780 Um, well done. 00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:47.540 Hey man, listen, this has been, been a great time talking about, uh, what, what you're doing 00:34:47.540 --> 00:34:54.780 here with the, with the one step app and the desire to help people, uh, be, uh, be with 00:34:54.780 --> 00:34:56.180 Jesus, be like Jesus. 00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:57.540 And what was the third one? 00:34:57.600 --> 00:34:58.740 Do what Jesus did. 00:34:58.980 --> 00:35:04.160 Uh, and having that be the focus, uh, of, of the app and creating that content regularly. 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:08.040 Um, man, as we're landing the plane here, any, any closing thoughts? 00:35:08.380 --> 00:35:09.160 Uh, man, download. 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:09.480 Yeah. 00:35:09.520 --> 00:35:12.820 If you're watching this or listening to it, download the app, download the app, be a part 00:35:12.820 --> 00:35:14.180 of the party. 00:35:15.240 --> 00:35:20.160 So we'll, we'll put links to the, to the app into the show notes and, and, uh, chosen as 00:35:20.160 --> 00:35:20.360 well. 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:24.400 I know that's another thing that was mentioned, uh, for the nice people of subsplash, we'll 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:26.460 even include a, a link for free. 00:35:26.660 --> 00:35:28.440 So very, very cool. 00:35:28.600 --> 00:35:32.080 Love, love, look, some, I've got some friends over there and they do a great job. 00:35:32.080 --> 00:35:35.340 So, uh, but we're going to wrap, we're going to land the plane here. 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.400 Uh, thanks for jumping on the church digital podcast for, uh, for Tyler. 00:35:39.520 --> 00:35:41.800 Uh, I'm Jeff at the church digital and state at church planning. 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:44.160 Uh, thanks for joining us for this one. 00:35:44.220 --> 00:35:45.100 We'll see you next time at the show. 00:35:45.200 --> 00:35:45.700 Y'all have a good day.