WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.800 Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast, powered by Stadia Church Planting. 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:08.540 Through this podcast, learn about how God is using technology and innovation 00:00:08.540 --> 00:00:11.580 in digital and digital environments around the world. 00:00:12.100 --> 00:00:16.000 Our goal? To help churches like yours learn to be the church digitally. 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:21.600 Our heart? That churches like yours will discover a newfound focus on disciple-making 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:23.600 that will revolutionize your church. 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:26.660 And now, your host, here's Jeff Reed. 00:00:27.180 --> 00:00:29.900 So, we all need Jason Morrises in our life. 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:33.240 And if you do not have a Jason Morrises in your life, you really need one. 00:00:33.300 --> 00:00:37.940 Maybe not this Jason Morrises, but someone in your life that you can reach out to 00:00:37.940 --> 00:00:42.340 that has those intellectually stimulating and deep conversations. 00:00:42.340 --> 00:00:45.020 The person that can challenge you moving forward. 00:00:45.420 --> 00:00:47.900 Jason Morrises is one of my Jason Morrises. 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:52.280 Kind of works nice that way since like the adjective describes the noun. 00:00:52.480 --> 00:00:55.860 Okay, cool. So, hey, so I was having a conversation with Jason Morrises 00:00:55.860 --> 00:00:59.320 and actually I wanted to do a podcast with him on some topic. 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:03.900 To be honest, standing here today, I can't even tell you what that topic was. 00:01:03.980 --> 00:01:05.560 I don't remember anymore. 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.560 But when I was talking with him about the podcast, Jason's like, 00:01:08.620 --> 00:01:10.020 oh, by the way, I got a new job. 00:01:10.360 --> 00:01:11.220 Get a new job title. 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:13.840 I can't wait to tell you about it. 00:01:13.980 --> 00:01:16.240 And so, all of a sudden, whatever I was thinking is gone 00:01:16.240 --> 00:01:19.800 because I want to learn what Jason Morrises is up to. 00:01:19.800 --> 00:01:24.900 Jason Morrises is the global innovation, well, excuse me, former global innovation pastor 00:01:24.900 --> 00:01:29.180 over at Westside Family in Kansas City, Randy Frazee's church, 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:34.020 and has been doing a phenomenal job in digital ministry for years. 00:01:34.240 --> 00:01:39.880 And the conversation that is all centered around this podcast really is enlightening 00:01:39.880 --> 00:01:45.200 to look at how Westside Family honestly may be thinking a little crazy here 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:47.040 as we're still digging into season two 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:52.760 and is exploring an idea of doing something different moving forward. 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:56.800 Now, you remember, with Stadia, we talk a lot about this phrase, 00:01:57.240 --> 00:02:02.300 multi-modal, multiple models, multiple modes of church. 00:02:02.600 --> 00:02:07.440 Pastor, the answer is not to simplify what your church is doing. 00:02:07.540 --> 00:02:08.860 It's to diversify. 00:02:09.200 --> 00:02:14.100 You don't need to do more physical church services to reach people. 00:02:14.320 --> 00:02:16.940 If you were going to effectively reach people with those services, 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:19.580 you would already be reaching them with what you're doing. 00:02:20.020 --> 00:02:22.020 It's not simplify and do more. 00:02:22.180 --> 00:02:27.200 It's to diversify and maybe even reach a different type of person. 00:02:27.620 --> 00:02:29.820 And what I love about this conversation with Jason, 00:02:30.460 --> 00:02:31.300 well, you know what? 00:02:31.340 --> 00:02:35.000 I'm going to let Jason have that conversation with you. 00:02:35.180 --> 00:02:36.160 So here's what I'm doing. 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:37.380 I'm bringing it into the conversation. 00:02:37.580 --> 00:02:40.720 Jason Morris, I don't even know what his new job title is, 00:02:40.780 --> 00:02:42.720 but I know he's still at Westside Family, 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:45.100 and myself, Jeff, with the Church Digital, 00:02:45.320 --> 00:02:46.920 and of course, Stadia Church Planting, 00:02:47.320 --> 00:02:50.100 in a conversation that I'm eloquently calling here, 00:02:50.580 --> 00:02:51.420 Established Church? 00:02:51.600 --> 00:02:51.920 Yes. 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:53.160 Micro locations? 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:53.820 Yes. 00:02:54.040 --> 00:02:54.780 Let's do them both. 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:55.600 Okay, everybody. 00:02:55.900 --> 00:02:56.340 Here you go. 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:57.780 Man, what's going on in life? 00:02:57.880 --> 00:02:58.800 Catch me up a little bit. 00:02:58.940 --> 00:02:59.500 Oh, wow. 00:02:59.700 --> 00:03:00.200 A ton. 00:03:00.460 --> 00:03:08.820 So in broad strokes, I am in the middle of a role transition right now at church. 00:03:09.480 --> 00:03:14.760 So, yeah, basically what the elders have asked me to do 00:03:14.760 --> 00:03:31.560 is to take the knowledge that I have with system design and people and all that and use what I've learned with that and apply it toward what we're calling A2 communities, 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:33.680 which is basically a micro church strategy. 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:39.300 But it's being empowered with online stuff, obviously, because they asked me to do it. 00:03:39.480 --> 00:03:41.140 So that's how it's going to go. 00:03:42.480 --> 00:03:51.560 And so right now, I'm in the transition of handing off the Sunday aspect of what we do. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.780 Because, dude, if I get out of the Sunday grind, I free up 26 hours a week. 00:03:56.660 --> 00:04:09.340 I mean, so two-thirds of your, I mean, I'm assuming your 40 hours or probably more, but let's assume 40, 26, that's like, that's two-thirds of your week is spent around creating that online experience. 00:04:09.740 --> 00:04:09.940 Right. 00:04:09.940 --> 00:04:14.000 And I didn't even think, I didn't even think about it because, you know, we're so used to doing that. 00:04:15.160 --> 00:04:18.040 But by the time you plan, you've got all the meetings. 00:04:18.100 --> 00:04:19.160 I just added it all up. 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:26.320 All the meetings were in for programming for the weekend, follow-up afterwards, executing the actual thing all morning long. 00:04:26.660 --> 00:04:33.040 You know, and all of the different pieces of it, when you add it all together, it ended up being 26 hours a week. 00:04:33.260 --> 00:04:34.740 And that surprised me. 00:04:34.820 --> 00:04:36.680 I didn't even realize it was like that. 00:04:37.660 --> 00:04:48.240 And so when the elders, you know, they asked me to do this, I'm like, okay, this conversation is really not what you would like me to do to add to what I'm doing. 00:04:48.380 --> 00:04:50.380 This needs to be a conversation about what I'm going to stop doing. 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:56.440 So, you know, they said, fine, you know, just write up your hours and just tell us what you're all in. 00:04:56.440 --> 00:05:00.060 Because they didn't have much of an idea, you know, between all the global stuff that I do. 00:05:00.140 --> 00:05:02.240 And I'm just in 15 different things. 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:09.640 And so when I sat down and actually ran the numbers, it surprised me how much I was in the Sunday thing. 00:05:10.380 --> 00:05:11.260 And I was like, wow. 00:05:12.660 --> 00:05:17.080 Now I kind of, I feel almost a little bit bad that it was so much. 00:05:17.400 --> 00:05:21.060 Because I'm not even, aside from like this Sunday, I'm not even preaching. 00:05:21.060 --> 00:05:30.340 And I'm spending all of this time with all of the back end stuff of making sure that Sunday executes well as it relates to online. 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:41.100 Because a lot of it is just, you know, interacting with the teams that are producing and programming stuff and making sure that, you know, the online side of what we do is not forgotten. 00:05:41.440 --> 00:05:43.220 Because that happens a lot. 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:45.780 And, yeah. 00:05:46.320 --> 00:05:57.060 So anyway, what I'm doing right now is I'm mentoring Ty, who's a younger guy, and now Trish, who's going to be like the admin. 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:01.340 And it's like the perfect scenario that I would have wanted for a team anyway. 00:06:01.460 --> 00:06:11.660 Because when I hit 50, I thought, you know, I do this and I do it well, but I'm probably not the guy that you want in front of a camera broadcasting to the world. 00:06:11.660 --> 00:06:14.600 Unless we want to just a whole bunch of old people, you know. 00:06:15.340 --> 00:06:19.980 And so, and on top of that, I felt that, well, there's a couple of things. 00:06:20.080 --> 00:06:34.860 One was, you know, you don't find retirement in any part of the scripture other than the Levites who were required to retire at 50 and to let the younger ones do ministry. 00:06:35.220 --> 00:06:44.540 Which, for me, was kind of, when I hit 50, I'm like, okay, I need to stop doing stuff and I need to start mentoring other people to do stuff. 00:06:44.860 --> 00:06:46.920 Okay, I want to back up. 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:51.280 Because you just quoted scripture that I wasn't aware of, and that doesn't surprise me. 00:06:51.340 --> 00:06:52.620 Your scripture knowledge is huge. 00:06:53.280 --> 00:06:58.320 The Levites were retired biblically, required to retire at age 50. 00:06:58.540 --> 00:06:59.220 At age 50. 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:00.060 I didn't know that. 00:07:00.180 --> 00:07:01.320 Why do you think that is? 00:07:01.540 --> 00:07:01.940 Look it up. 00:07:01.980 --> 00:07:02.440 It's crazy. 00:07:02.960 --> 00:07:08.660 And I, it might be just due to the fact that they had to, you know, if you think about it, they're lugging a lot of work. 00:07:08.840 --> 00:07:14.180 They're doing legit set up and tear down all the time when it comes to the tabernacle, right? 00:07:14.520 --> 00:07:17.440 And that's got to be some grueling work on one side of it. 00:07:18.080 --> 00:07:23.480 And I don't know why God told them to do that, but it's there. 00:07:24.060 --> 00:07:30.400 And so, that's the only place where you find, like, I mean, I wouldn't even necessarily call it retirement. 00:07:30.700 --> 00:07:39.040 But, but if there's anything that's like that, that puts an age limit on something, a Levite, you know, I don't know. 00:07:39.400 --> 00:07:40.280 It's, it's just weird. 00:07:40.460 --> 00:07:54.420 And so, so for me, I'm like looking at it thinking, okay, you know, just from, you know, looking at the second half of life, thinking, okay, I need to make sure that this thing doesn't, it doesn't have to be like me. 00:07:55.200 --> 00:08:00.560 Or how I would want it, but it's got to continue, you know, so I got to be mentoring people. 00:08:00.900 --> 00:08:02.660 I can't be a doer anymore. 00:08:03.500 --> 00:08:12.420 And so, I had been, before the elders even asked me to do this, I had been slowly, you know, mentoring a tech person in Thai in this. 00:08:12.780 --> 00:08:15.900 And he's got a little bit of, you know, pastoral experience too in the youth. 00:08:16.540 --> 00:08:18.900 And he does video and it was, it was a good fit. 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:29.900 And then when, you know, they asked me to do this, I'm like, okay, if I get, if I could get someone to replace me, then I can focus on this other side of ministry. 00:08:29.900 --> 00:08:36.960 Because I feel like if you look at the book of Acts, there was this temple court expression of church and a house to house expression of church. 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:38.220 There were both, right? 00:08:38.420 --> 00:08:43.140 So one that like only does one in isolation, I think is a little bit off. 00:08:43.800 --> 00:08:52.980 So anyway, we as a church, Westside, and I think the church at large does a really good job, especially online for us. 00:08:52.980 --> 00:08:59.800 We do a really good job of the temple court expression, both on-site and online in the book of Acts. 00:09:00.280 --> 00:09:04.780 The house to house expression, however, is something that we're not strong in and we need help with that. 00:09:05.100 --> 00:09:12.380 And we need to work on that, especially with the online stuff, because no one's thinking about that either, how that all works and ties everything together. 00:09:12.740 --> 00:09:22.160 And so in my mind, I'm thinking, wow, that would be really fun to break, maybe not new ground, but just try to figure stuff out, you know. 00:09:22.980 --> 00:09:26.560 And Rob used to be my boss, you know, now he's doing KC Underground. 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:31.960 And oddly enough, when he spun off to do KC Underground, that was pre-COVID. 00:09:32.420 --> 00:09:34.840 That was about three years ago. 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:46.180 And today, I find that a lot of churches, because of COVID, they're exploring the whole microsite thing because they lived microsite during lockdown. 00:09:46.620 --> 00:09:53.340 And they saw, some of the people saw the benefits of doing a smaller expression of church, yet networked together. 00:09:54.680 --> 00:10:08.420 And so I think that for whatever reason, Jesus is showing us a new way, or not really a new way, but trying to rediscover another model of doing church that really, 00:10:08.980 --> 00:10:13.540 it might save us for whatever's coming down the pike. 00:10:13.940 --> 00:10:14.640 I don't know what it is. 00:10:15.940 --> 00:10:21.640 So, you know, like, some of the stuff that I get to be involved with, what we do internationally, 00:10:22.780 --> 00:10:29.220 they do small and reproducing microchurch stuff just out of necessity because of persecution from the government, 00:10:29.620 --> 00:10:32.920 or from either other churches, for that matter. 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:39.260 And I find that, for whatever reason, it hasn't worked here in the States. 00:10:39.380 --> 00:10:40.380 You know, I hear that all the time. 00:10:40.420 --> 00:10:41.280 That'll never work here. 00:10:41.760 --> 00:10:42.840 Well, it did during lockdown. 00:10:43.680 --> 00:10:45.060 I mean, we all had to figure it out then. 00:10:45.660 --> 00:10:58.760 And there are some of us now, and this is part of the reason why I feel like the attendance back to the Sunday large gathering hasn't popped back up to where we thought it was. 00:10:59.240 --> 00:10:59.860 You know why? 00:11:00.280 --> 00:11:08.260 Because they got a taste of what church could be like at home, and they feel like maybe that that's a better way of doing church that fits them. 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:14.400 And so for us, it's like, okay, we're going to go to you, whether it's online, in a living room, doesn't matter. 00:11:14.620 --> 00:11:19.020 That's like the heart of Jesus to go to where the people are. 00:11:19.500 --> 00:11:21.620 And so we're going to try to figure that out. 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:25.660 And starting next year, we're not even going to be counting attendance that much. 00:11:26.100 --> 00:11:41.880 We're going to be, even our metrics are going to change over to A2 expressions and what that's going to look like as it relates to how they minister in their neighborhoods and with the school district and, you know, in the elementary school and all that kind of stuff. 00:11:42.060 --> 00:11:46.520 And, you know, Randy wrote a book about that, so we're going to be putting a lot of that into practice. 00:11:47.100 --> 00:11:49.860 Yeah, I'm guessing it's somewhat tracking with that idea, yeah. 00:11:50.040 --> 00:11:51.220 Oh, yeah, yeah. 00:11:51.920 --> 00:12:02.760 We did a podcast talking about A2, forgive me, I am blanking on the lady's name who was on with, she was like your next, Heidi Tompkins, that's right, thank you. 00:12:03.940 --> 00:12:07.340 Is she still involved, like next steps, kind of transitioning in? 00:12:07.340 --> 00:12:26.420 She actually took, her dog grooming business took off, and so she reduced her hours as it relates to A2, and that's one of the reasons why they asked me to come in, not to be necessarily Heidi's replacement, because she's still kind of working, but what they realized was they needed someone who thought through system design. 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:32.140 And I do that all the time, and I do it without thinking about it. 00:12:32.280 --> 00:12:40.520 So, what is this going to look like for 2022 when you start swinging in to work through the A2, through the micro communities? 00:12:40.760 --> 00:12:42.960 What are you anticipating doing? 00:12:43.300 --> 00:12:48.220 Okay, so there's a lot of that that's still forming right now. 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:59.000 But we have, in the hopper, right now we've got what we're calling West Side Essentials, which is almost, it's basically like a discipleship thing. 00:12:59.900 --> 00:13:02.480 Like, the first one is, this is a Bible. 00:13:02.780 --> 00:13:06.000 It's just basic, how do you interpret the Bible as you read it? 00:13:06.760 --> 00:13:19.160 There's, you know, when I'm prayer, just basic, really basic stuff, helping people in their walk with Christ, because, you know, if you don't know how to read your Bible and you don't know how to pray, I don't know how you could be a real disciple, you know? 00:13:19.400 --> 00:13:28.420 So, there's things like that, that are designed to be, they can be done individually, through like an LMS kind of a deal we got going. 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:36.380 That same LMS, I hope, will be working, and that's part of the things that I'm going to be doing, making sure it does work. 00:13:37.400 --> 00:13:50.820 It's going to work in a group setting, so that people, anywhere, by the way, can go through these basics of the Christian life, wherever they happen to be, in whatever neighborhood they happen to be in, whether it's in Kansas City or beyond. 00:13:51.520 --> 00:13:53.560 So, there's that side of it. 00:13:54.760 --> 00:14:07.900 I see myself helping the coaching network, and helping the leaders, as they try to be Jesus in their neighborhood, as it relates to serving with their school districts, and things like that. 00:14:07.940 --> 00:14:12.800 We have a whole other department that dedicates themselves to city ministry that way. 00:14:13.180 --> 00:14:21.380 So, what this A2 thing is going to do, it's going to, like, integrate a lot of these things that already exist, and have them work together, in micro, together. 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:38.300 So, it's my job to facilitate for that group leader, wherever they happen to be in the city, to connect with someone that's in a completely different department of, you know, local impact, and help them to find, okay, what's their school district? 00:14:38.620 --> 00:14:40.120 What's the superintendent's name? 00:14:40.680 --> 00:14:41.540 Is he a Westsider? 00:14:41.920 --> 00:14:43.360 What kind of things can we do? 00:14:43.460 --> 00:14:44.260 Can we mentor? 00:14:44.400 --> 00:14:46.560 Whatever it happens to be for that elementary school. 00:14:47.400 --> 00:14:51.600 In like manner, bringing together global impact. 00:14:51.760 --> 00:15:01.800 So, it's like, all right, instead of doing, like, big impact Sunday, on one Sunday, once a year, we can throw an Indian dinner for your group. 00:15:02.680 --> 00:15:12.940 And so, we will show up, have all kinds of naan bread, and curry, and all kinds of stuff, and then show a video about what mission could look like in India. 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:22.260 And then, as a group, go, if you can, if you can't, because the group, you know, there's some people who don't have the money to do it, fine. 00:15:22.640 --> 00:15:27.680 Then you, as a group, can pool money together so that one person, as a representative of your group, can go. 00:15:28.380 --> 00:15:43.460 Much like how we find in the New Testament, in the early New Testament, how they would send a representative of that church, that functioning church, that was probably a house church anyway, to do certain things and to send gifts or whatever to different parts. 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:48.080 So, the notion now is, is that you don't do impact alone. 00:15:48.540 --> 00:15:56.460 And that's one of the things that we've learned over the years is that we, like a lot of Americans, you know, we think very individualistically. 00:15:56.460 --> 00:16:00.960 And then we try to scale that in volume, and we miss something in the process. 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:14.320 So, the idea is to get, if one person says, oh, I can't support, you know, I can't sponsor a kid, one of the, you know, 600, 700 orphans that we, you know, feed, clothe, and educate around the world. 00:16:14.680 --> 00:16:17.040 I don't have enough money to do that, but as a group, we could. 00:16:17.560 --> 00:16:19.520 We could pool our money together as a group and do that. 00:16:20.020 --> 00:16:22.800 And that would be our group's kid that we would sponsor. 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:34.140 Or we could have, you can see how the different things that as a group, it becomes doable, where most of the asks that we have in a high bar of service as an individual might seem a little daunting. 00:16:34.140 --> 00:16:37.360 But if I had someone with me, now we can pull this off. 00:16:37.860 --> 00:16:38.700 And what do you know? 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:41.720 You know, Jesus even sent out the 70 two by two. 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:51.580 And so, there's a good design in that, I think, that you don't do ministry alone, you don't do impact alone, you don't do evangelism alone, none of that. 00:16:51.800 --> 00:16:52.880 You don't do any of it alone. 00:16:53.520 --> 00:16:54.780 It's a group activity. 00:16:54.940 --> 00:16:56.180 You don't even process scripture alone. 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:56.920 You don't even see that. 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.080 I mean, we had this whole idea of, you know, I got to do my devotions. 00:17:00.140 --> 00:17:01.180 I'm going to have my quiet time. 00:17:01.620 --> 00:17:02.380 Well, that's great. 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:03.540 I don't think that's a bad thing. 00:17:03.540 --> 00:17:14.040 But it is a completely different experience to process scripture with other people and hear the spirit of Jesus speak through someone else's mouth instead of what's going on in your head. 00:17:14.280 --> 00:17:18.360 I learn a ton just by processing scripture in group. 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:21.400 And we do that, you know, every Wednesday night with our A2 group online. 00:17:21.600 --> 00:17:31.720 And I've got folks, you know, that are joining from Birmingham and Iowa and New Jersey and Hawaii and Tennessee and Mexico City. 00:17:31.980 --> 00:17:33.620 And, you know, they're just all over the place. 00:17:34.280 --> 00:17:40.760 And so, yeah, I always get amazing insights every week from other people. 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:45.180 And I'm reading the same scriptures as they are, but I don't process it like they do. 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:47.100 And that's part of the body of Christ, I think. 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:52.220 You know, you get people with different backgrounds, different experiences, different lenses that they're reading the scripture through. 00:17:52.600 --> 00:18:02.020 Maybe the Holy Spirit has them at a different place and are able to, you know, delve a different view of the scripture from that. 00:18:02.600 --> 00:18:03.820 So certainly love it. 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:04.900 You know, it's funny. 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:07.480 I, you know, I walked into just transparent here. 00:18:07.540 --> 00:18:09.240 I walked into the podcast a little blind. 00:18:09.320 --> 00:18:10.640 I knew I wanted to talk about some stuff. 00:18:11.060 --> 00:18:13.360 And Jason had told me, hey, I got a new job. 00:18:13.420 --> 00:18:14.820 I went to I'm anxious to talk about it. 00:18:14.860 --> 00:18:16.420 And so this is this is this is awesome. 00:18:16.540 --> 00:18:18.460 I did not realize we were talking micro. 00:18:18.900 --> 00:18:21.040 But that that's exciting, exciting to hear. 00:18:21.820 --> 00:18:37.220 When I talk micro, I find myself talking about fish and frogs, about how you got to teach people to fish instead of fishing for them and about how it's more boil the frog slowly as opposed to microwaving it through. 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.300 And so, I mean, I would love to. 00:18:40.700 --> 00:18:43.000 And that's there's going to be blogs and stuff. 00:18:43.140 --> 00:18:47.220 I wrote that down there that I was like, man, I want to I want to explore that space, fish and frogs. 00:18:47.460 --> 00:19:00.140 But for for this conversation right here, talk to me about what that disciple making, what that multiplication process looks like. 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:08.920 I know many churches that are interested in going micro, but it feels like they're not able to get. 00:19:09.140 --> 00:19:15.800 Well, I had I had a church tell me, hey, Jeff, we had hundreds of churches of micro churches open up during covid. 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:23.740 And as soon as we opened the doors of the physical church, 95 percent of them all shut down because everybody wanted to go back to the building. 00:19:24.740 --> 00:19:25.680 And it was funny. 00:19:25.760 --> 00:19:38.120 My comment was, well, that 95 percent didn't understand the why of what they were doing, because if they understood the why of micro locations or if they agreed on the healthy why of the micro locations, they wouldn't have wanted to go back to the building. 00:19:38.120 --> 00:19:49.560 But so talk to me a little bit like what what that what your process is for finding, for discipling, helping people, teaching them to fish, doing it slowly. 00:19:49.860 --> 00:19:52.540 Like what what is this process look like for for what side? 00:19:52.820 --> 00:19:59.420 Well, I'm going to talk a little bit aspirationally because I'm technically not in the role yet. 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.160 I've got this month to figure that out. 00:20:03.320 --> 00:20:04.980 But here's how I think it should go. 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:07.420 I think I can tell you how I think it should go. 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:13.100 So let's say we're one thing is for sure. 00:20:13.420 --> 00:20:15.940 The leader has to be what we call a connector. 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:22.600 If you're familiar with the five voices of leadership, you know, that's a whole other conversation. 00:20:22.900 --> 00:20:26.220 But you have a person that is a networker, a connector. 00:20:27.220 --> 00:20:30.280 You might find him in scripture called the person of peace. 00:20:30.820 --> 00:20:40.700 That's the one that kind of unlocks the neighborhood for you or the school for you or the gym or the rotary, whatever that happens to be. 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:47.960 You've got that one person that is kind of like the gatekeeper of relation and relationships and networks around there. 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:56.900 So the idea is let's grab one of those guys and take him through West Side Essentials, where as a group, he already has the relationships. 00:20:57.340 --> 00:21:06.480 We're not asking him to take his relationships and bring them out of them extractionally into a service or something like that. 00:21:06.560 --> 00:21:10.660 Just keep on doing what you're doing, but be intentional about it. 00:21:10.660 --> 00:21:17.780 Because God told us, all of us, to go and make disciples of all nations, not just the paid professionals. 00:21:18.660 --> 00:21:22.820 So let us help you do that well. 00:21:23.260 --> 00:21:40.640 Because I can pastor people one by one and keep them connected to me, or I can pastor leaders, connectors, who can then pastor, you know, their own groups and then multiply the influence exponentially. 00:21:42.780 --> 00:21:52.300 So finding those connectors first, and then finding where the other people are that are current West Siders, and maybe this isn't even on their radar. 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:59.480 And that's part of where the data comes in, the data mining comes in, because we have, you know, our database of all the people that are in our church. 00:21:59.600 --> 00:22:01.520 We have all their addresses and all of that, right? 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:05.160 But most of them don't know that there's a West Sider right down the street. 00:22:06.060 --> 00:22:16.560 And when they go to group, generally, they'll drive across town for that particular study or affinity that they want to line up with, instead of being missional in their community. 00:22:16.600 --> 00:22:26.980 So that's going to be a shift that's going to occur, where people begin to have a vision for and a burden for their cul-de-sac, their neighborhood, their school district, whatever it happens to be. 00:22:27.800 --> 00:22:49.320 So with that connector, bringing them through West Side Essentials, which will set, and actually, even before West Side Essentials, we have a, like, A2 boot camp, which kind of sets DNA for the group and lets them know, hey, you are here together for the benefit of your neighborhood, wherever that happens to be. 00:22:49.860 --> 00:22:57.780 So you guys have to figure it out, you know, prayer walk your neighborhood, discuss together what are the needs in the neighborhood. 00:22:58.040 --> 00:23:06.940 And many times those particular needs are opportunities for ministry to begin to sow goodwill so that you can share the good news. 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:23.460 And so all of those things is part of A2 Revolution, and then they just continue on with West Side Essentials, and you add those service components in, because all of that is baked in with the AX2 Revolution boot camp. 00:23:24.800 --> 00:23:38.240 And things start happening, and people start, you know, looking at their neighborhoods differently, instead of thinking, oh, I can't stand my neighbor, because he's too loud, or his dog poops on my lawn, or whatever that happens to be. 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.220 Then it's like, oh, that person needs Jesus. 00:23:42.040 --> 00:23:44.720 So inherently, I'm going to be treating them differently. 00:23:45.660 --> 00:23:50.000 And so it changes the way that neighborhoods feel for people. 00:23:50.620 --> 00:23:59.700 And our hope is that they become so engaged in the neighborhood, that if they come on Sunday to the big box, that's secondary. 00:23:59.900 --> 00:24:01.020 That's like a cherry on top. 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:04.700 That's something that they might do once a quarter, maybe once a month. 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:06.920 Truth of the matter is, they're only coming once a month anyway. 00:24:07.740 --> 00:24:22.160 So in a way, we're kind of backfilling what they're already telling us with their actions, that they don't feel the value, or they're not being ministered to in a way that makes sense for them, but only once a month. 00:24:22.580 --> 00:24:25.520 I mean, we just got to be realistic about what's actually going on. 00:24:25.600 --> 00:24:38.860 So our strategy is, okay, if you're only going to come once a month anyway, to the big box, well, then we need to figure out how we can disciple you every other day, and all the other weekends that you're not showing up. 00:24:38.860 --> 00:24:42.920 Was that a hard thing to sell to leadership? 00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:45.720 Hey, look, they're only coming once a month. 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:47.180 We already know that. 00:24:47.620 --> 00:24:51.360 The solution is not try to get them to come two to three times a month. 00:24:51.660 --> 00:24:58.500 The solution is give them spiritual purpose and mobilize and activate them in their homes. 00:24:58.760 --> 00:25:02.540 The win is not to bring them on this expensive building and property. 00:25:02.760 --> 00:25:07.740 The win is to get them released and doing things within their home communities. 00:25:08.180 --> 00:25:13.500 Like, I would imagine that for the average pastor, that's a hard truth to hear. 00:25:14.560 --> 00:25:17.740 What was that process like for your leadership to work through that? 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:19.380 Well, it's been a seven-year process. 00:25:19.940 --> 00:25:21.580 Boil the frog slowly, like I said, right? 00:25:21.980 --> 00:25:22.940 Right, exactly. 00:25:23.120 --> 00:25:28.620 If you look back on it, our church has been kind of moving in that direction very slowly. 00:25:29.040 --> 00:25:31.280 And, of course, COVID accelerated that whole process. 00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:37.720 We had thought that, you know, maybe in the next three years or so, we would have a whole neighborhood thing going. 00:25:38.120 --> 00:25:46.820 And that we thought we would have a lot of time to bake that in because a lot of our current small group structure wasn't like neighborhood church. 00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:50.560 And so it wasn't microchurch, for sure. 00:25:51.400 --> 00:26:00.220 And so, but, you know, COVID basically just put the floor on the accelerator pedal on that whole thing. 00:26:00.380 --> 00:26:06.560 Because what ended up happening is that people ended up doing microchurch whether they liked it or not. 00:26:07.320 --> 00:26:13.240 Just like for a lot of parents, they ended up homeschooling whether they liked it or not. 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.140 And some of them liked it, some of them didn't. 00:26:18.180 --> 00:26:29.800 I think that there is this particular model isn't necessarily something that would work to the detriment of the other model that we all know and love. 00:26:30.060 --> 00:26:37.360 So, it's not where we do house to house until it, you know, starves temple court. 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.420 I don't think that's the idea. 00:26:39.700 --> 00:26:42.620 The idea is to do both, temple court and house to house. 00:26:42.940 --> 00:26:46.320 Both of those environments do very different things. 00:26:47.020 --> 00:26:51.480 Both of those environments have their own set of strengths and weaknesses attached to them. 00:26:51.900 --> 00:26:56.260 And we just need to be honest about what each environment does well and what it doesn't. 00:26:56.780 --> 00:27:02.480 And when we're talking about making disciples, the smaller environment probably works better. 00:27:02.600 --> 00:27:12.000 When we're talking about encouraging the disciples and motivating them to continue to create disciples, the bigger environment works well for that. 00:27:12.540 --> 00:27:17.040 So, it's not like you do one and not the other, is you need to do both. 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:27.120 And you also need to understand how both synergize with each other if thought through as a holistic system in a way that you find very much in the book of Acts. 00:27:27.380 --> 00:27:39.220 The whole thing about, I think, about the book of Acts, we hear a lot of people talk about how they're just like the book of Acts and they want to be like the book of Acts, but they completely ignore the daily aspect of it. 00:27:40.260 --> 00:27:44.960 Like, they're meeting in each other's homes daily, in the temple court daily. 00:27:46.220 --> 00:27:48.000 We tend to say, oh, we can't do that. 00:27:48.080 --> 00:27:48.940 And so, we just ignore it. 00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:55.840 Well, there's a lot of digital tools out there that allow us to be encouraging each other to love and good deeds on a daily basis. 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:01.100 So, maybe we could do that instead of just completely ignore those passages. 00:28:01.660 --> 00:28:10.240 I feel like using not only the message of Jesus, but the methods of Jesus are, I mean, they're just as sacred. 00:28:10.900 --> 00:28:12.180 I mean, let's pull that thread. 00:28:12.600 --> 00:28:19.820 So, you're talking about, I mean, I'm even flashing back to a Daniel M. podcast I did like two years ago. 00:28:19.820 --> 00:28:34.040 Because, you know, he's talking about like the large gathering and then the social space, which is like the 20 to 50, which would be like the micro, the individual size. 00:28:34.620 --> 00:28:43.880 It seems to me like digital is maybe the glue or the connector that really tries to piece all this together. 00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:47.000 But what do you, and you're the digital guy, so talk to me. 00:28:47.060 --> 00:28:48.120 What are you thinking about that? 00:28:48.360 --> 00:28:49.680 Okay, so, think about this. 00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:54.860 You have a church structure and you put on top, like, think first century. 00:28:55.320 --> 00:28:56.440 You have a church structure. 00:28:56.940 --> 00:28:58.420 You have temple court, house to house. 00:28:59.120 --> 00:29:00.920 Temple court if you can, house to house if you can't. 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:02.180 All of those things, right? 00:29:02.940 --> 00:29:07.800 What happens on top of that layer of all of those relationships that are happening in person? 00:29:08.580 --> 00:29:10.820 Letter writing on top of it. 00:29:11.300 --> 00:29:15.620 That is the technological layer on top of that people infrastructure. 00:29:16.560 --> 00:29:23.320 And what I think a lot of times pastors resist is they think, oh, we're going to have bots talking to each other. 00:29:24.120 --> 00:29:25.700 You know, that's not digital ministry. 00:29:26.780 --> 00:29:31.840 Digital ministry is a layer on top of the relationships that we already have. 00:29:31.900 --> 00:29:36.140 It's really, I think, detrimental to think of them in two buckets. 00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:46.560 Because the reality is we all live in both, and the most meaningful relationships that we have are being mediated by face-to-face connections as well as technological connections. 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.960 And those blur many times. 00:29:50.560 --> 00:29:54.860 Like, you know, right now, while we were talking, I got a text from my wife. 00:29:55.780 --> 00:30:01.360 Now, no one's going to say, oh, I just interacted with her and I just answered her, right? 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:08.260 Well, we're interacting using technological tools to enhance our relationship. 00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:24.380 And when you think of digital tools that way, as a way to enhance relationship, not replace it, to enhance the relationships that are there, then you find what you find in the second book of John, where he's saying, you know, I'm writing you now in pen and ink. 00:30:25.620 --> 00:30:29.760 I'm not going to write you everything, because I hope to see you face-to-face so that our joy can be full. 00:30:30.580 --> 00:30:35.060 He still wrote the rest of the book, though, you know, and he's still writing. 00:30:35.660 --> 00:30:43.820 So just by virtue of the fact that he did both, he wrote using the technology of his day, and he visited them from time to time. 00:30:44.780 --> 00:30:51.700 The visit can be, how do I properly say this? 00:30:51.820 --> 00:30:58.120 The visit, the face-to-face visit, can be filled, the gaps can be filled in with technological means. 00:30:58.580 --> 00:31:03.640 So, for example, many people with their family relationships already work this way. 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.220 Your mom, you know, it's Mother's Day. 00:31:06.700 --> 00:31:09.860 Do you drive over to your mom's house and say, Happy Mother's Day? 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.080 Well, you could, and you'd be a good son if you did. 00:31:12.460 --> 00:31:16.700 But most of us are probably calling them up on the phone or we're sending them a text. 00:31:17.080 --> 00:31:23.300 So what we're doing is we're filling in the gaps of the relational connection using technology. 00:31:24.040 --> 00:31:26.900 And I think that we can do the same thing today. 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:39.720 And I also believe that if the Apostle Paul can do remote church planting just by writing letters without even meeting people sometimes, like the book of Ephesians. 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:44.620 He didn't even meet, you never see in the book of Ephesians, him saying, Hey, say hi to so-and-so and so-and-so. 00:31:44.820 --> 00:31:45.580 He doesn't say that. 00:31:46.220 --> 00:31:51.300 He just writes the book and lets it circulate all around because he doesn't even know who they are. 00:31:52.320 --> 00:31:56.360 Now, there's a thought of multiplying ministry right there. 00:31:56.360 --> 00:32:03.440 So you create a system that then helps to spawn off Jesus' communities wherever they happen to be. 00:32:04.520 --> 00:32:13.920 And so I really think that, you know, there's a lot of biblical precedent for some of the things that we're trying to do in the digital space with digital tools. 00:32:14.060 --> 00:32:15.220 They're just new tools. 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:15.920 That's all. 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:17.640 The impetus is the same. 00:32:17.740 --> 00:32:18.800 The desire is the same. 00:32:19.360 --> 00:32:21.640 We're wanting to connect with other people. 00:32:21.780 --> 00:32:24.520 We're wanting to help other people as many as we can. 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:26.640 We're trying to make as many disciples as we can. 00:32:27.520 --> 00:32:35.920 And so why wouldn't we use tools to help be a force multiplier for the relational connection that we're hoping to have with people? 00:32:36.460 --> 00:32:36.740 Love it. 00:32:37.360 --> 00:32:41.500 Like the model you're doing with the micro, you're reaching a different type of person. 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:44.820 You're empowering a different type of leader. 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.240 And so like it's in discipleship even looks different in that space. 00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:56.820 And that's why I love, you know, churches that run multimodal, different models, different modes of church. 00:32:57.100 --> 00:33:07.700 And so you being physical with the big building, you being broadcasting services online, you moving towards A2 community here in 2021, 2022 and beyond. 00:33:08.340 --> 00:33:15.500 Like this is just expressing different models of church to be more effective for ministry in KC. 00:33:15.500 --> 00:33:24.840 And what's interesting is your church, by doing these different models, well, and honestly, like you're in a unique position, Jason. 00:33:25.080 --> 00:33:32.620 I mean, not to pat you on the back, but you're probably one of the smarter guys in the country when it comes towards digital strategy and systems. 00:33:32.900 --> 00:33:37.000 And you've got a, you know, you've got a long history in this space. 00:33:37.540 --> 00:33:43.000 You've got Randy Frazee, who's, I think you mentioned earlier, I mean, he's literally written books on this. 00:33:43.460 --> 00:33:45.820 And so he comes with a very strong DNA. 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:50.180 The DNA of your church, your boss used to be Rob Wagner with KC Underground. 00:33:50.500 --> 00:33:56.560 Like there's a lot of strong DNA that leads your church to this point. 00:33:57.060 --> 00:34:04.700 Is this model, is this something that you think is more exclusive to your church or for very few churches? 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:09.940 Do you see like, or would you promote every church on the country do something like this? 00:34:10.100 --> 00:34:15.560 Like how, how would you suggest if somebody was thinking about doing this, would you encourage them to do that? 00:34:15.620 --> 00:34:16.780 Like, talk to me a little bit. 00:34:16.900 --> 00:34:18.120 Is this idea scalable? 00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:19.620 Can this multiply to other churches? 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:26.100 I think it can, but we just have to be super honest about what we're actually trying to do. 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:41.620 So if our ultimate goal and end is to get people into a building so that they can put money in the offering plate so that we can all eat, we just need to be honest about that. 00:34:42.120 --> 00:34:47.920 And if our model requires that, well then, okay, we got to work that the best we can. 00:34:48.860 --> 00:35:00.960 Now, if I don't think there's any pastor, regardless of their model, I don't think there's any pastor that wouldn't love every single person that he pastors to evangelize his friends. 00:35:02.900 --> 00:35:05.000 I think every pastor would want that. 00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:08.560 Now, the question is, how do you facilitate that? 00:35:09.160 --> 00:35:21.340 For many, many decades, the way that many pastors have facilitated that is by telling the people that he pastors, we are going to create this amazing experience for your unsaved friend. 00:35:21.820 --> 00:35:26.060 All you got to do is bring him here, and we will do the rest. 00:35:27.240 --> 00:35:29.040 And for many decades, that worked. 00:35:29.580 --> 00:35:32.200 So I'm not saying it's a bad thing. 00:35:32.460 --> 00:35:36.700 It was a beautiful and wonderful thing where millions of people came to Jesus. 00:35:36.980 --> 00:35:38.460 So awesome, right? 00:35:38.460 --> 00:35:49.540 The problem is today is that culture has changed very much where in the days when that particular methodology worked really well, a lot of people woke up on Sunday thinking, where am I going to go to church today? 00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.740 Nobody that doesn't know Jesus is asking that question right now. 00:35:54.540 --> 00:36:01.240 And so how are we reaching those people is the question, not how do we reach people that would like to go to a church service. 00:36:01.520 --> 00:36:03.960 We've got that covered in spades. 00:36:04.340 --> 00:36:08.080 We're asking the question, how do we reach people that don't know Jesus yet? 00:36:08.080 --> 00:36:12.820 And those, by the way, are the friends and neighbors of the people that we pastor. 00:36:13.620 --> 00:36:20.120 So the methodology in times past has been, you know, we can do it and you can help. 00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.520 And now we've got to flip it. 00:36:24.180 --> 00:36:26.540 You know, Home Depot style is where you can do it and we can help. 00:36:27.680 --> 00:36:40.160 Because the truth of the matter is, if that person is never going to darken the doors of a church service, but he desperately needs Jesus, well, then we need to figure out a different kind of strategy that helps that guy come to Jesus. 00:36:41.300 --> 00:36:41.660 Period. 00:36:42.100 --> 00:36:48.060 We can't just hope and try to make the church experience so good that he wants to come. 00:36:49.140 --> 00:36:53.860 When I've had, here's the thing, I've had so many people tell me, no, church isn't for me. 00:36:55.300 --> 00:37:02.660 And while they may say that, and I answer them, it's like, okay, that's fine. 00:37:03.100 --> 00:37:03.920 Is Jesus for you? 00:37:05.240 --> 00:37:08.400 So, I mean, like, look at me like, what? 00:37:08.640 --> 00:37:10.080 It's like, I don't care if you come to my church. 00:37:10.160 --> 00:37:11.140 I just want to bring you to Jesus. 00:37:11.580 --> 00:37:12.700 I don't want to bring you to church. 00:37:13.680 --> 00:37:20.960 You know, because nowhere in the Great Commission does it say, go and create faithful attenders of Christian community theater. 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.140 You know, it doesn't say that. 00:37:23.620 --> 00:37:24.660 It says make disciples. 00:37:25.120 --> 00:37:30.300 Now, a church service can be a wonderful tool toward making disciples, but it cannot be the end game. 00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:38.160 And so, if we look at it as a tool, well, then now we've got all these other tools at our disposal toward making disciples too. 00:37:38.620 --> 00:37:42.700 And we can pick the best tool for the job for the right type of person that we're trying to reach. 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:48.320 So, it's almost like segmenting your audience a little bit and trying to use the best tool for the job. 00:37:48.580 --> 00:37:54.960 And what we're doing right now is we know that we're going to be able to minister to all the people who want to come to a church service. 00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:56.300 We've got that down. 00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:57.340 We're good. 00:37:57.820 --> 00:37:58.600 We've got that down. 00:37:59.080 --> 00:38:04.500 We're looking into, okay, what is this other whole sector of society that is never going to come to church? 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:05.700 How do we reach them? 00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:07.080 And who knows? 00:38:07.420 --> 00:38:09.300 Maybe the microchurch thing isn't the best idea. 00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:20.860 But we're going to figure that out along the way because the missional impulse that's there will drive us to reach our neighbors and coworkers and friends to Jesus. 00:38:21.040 --> 00:38:23.460 Because if not, then why are we even here? 00:38:24.240 --> 00:38:24.520 Really? 00:38:25.520 --> 00:38:30.280 You know, we're going to give an account for all of the relationships that Jesus has placed in our life. 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:32.960 And we need to think seriously about that. 00:38:34.020 --> 00:38:40.860 And what, unfortunately, in times past, and this is, you know, because I'm a part of this, too. 00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:44.220 So, I, you know, point fingers at myself at the same time. 00:38:46.220 --> 00:38:48.760 And because it worked back then, but now it doesn't. 00:38:49.080 --> 00:38:53.000 But the problem is, is that our people don't know how to tell others about Jesus anymore. 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:56.980 They only know how to invite people to church, a church service. 00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:58.420 That's all they know how to do. 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:00.120 That's a big problem. 00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:01.900 Holy cow. 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.600 That's, I wasn't even thinking about that downside toward the attractional model. 00:39:07.740 --> 00:39:11.060 And I'm saying, if the attractional model is working for you, then keep on using it. 00:39:11.140 --> 00:39:12.860 Because whatever works, I don't really care. 00:39:14.220 --> 00:39:23.500 But what we're finding, especially post-COVID, is that our churches are, when you're just looking at weekend church attendance, they're not getting bigger. 00:39:25.240 --> 00:39:25.920 They're not. 00:39:26.640 --> 00:39:34.560 And none of them, as far as I can tell, I mean, it's very few, the ones that are growing faster than the population of that particular area. 00:39:36.540 --> 00:39:39.160 Dude, we have to do a better job than this. 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.440 And if this isn't working, well, then let's just dismount and find something else. 00:39:43.900 --> 00:39:44.240 I love it. 00:39:44.540 --> 00:39:47.020 Well, hey, man, we're going to land a plane. 00:39:47.120 --> 00:39:49.040 This has been an awesome conversation. 00:39:49.740 --> 00:39:51.300 I'm excited about your new job. 00:39:51.300 --> 00:40:00.820 I mean, shoot, anytime you're tying digital and micro together, I think that formula works very well. 00:40:00.940 --> 00:40:01.640 And I'm excited. 00:40:02.120 --> 00:40:12.060 We'll have to check back in with you here sometime into 22 and kind of hear what's going on at Westside and with their A2 communities. 00:40:12.260 --> 00:40:14.260 As we're wrapping up here, man, any closing thoughts? 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:22.320 Well, I'm just honored that Jesus is asking us to join him as he builds his church. 00:40:23.220 --> 00:40:24.240 Jesus knows what he's doing. 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:26.260 And he's the one that's going to do it. 00:40:27.060 --> 00:40:30.120 So we just have to tap into that, to what Jesus wants. 00:40:31.080 --> 00:40:34.220 And I just feel honored that I can be along for the ride. 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:42.640 And so if I can be a resource or for that matter, you know, in this new endeavor, there's a bunch of people I'd like to talk to. 00:40:44.740 --> 00:40:51.060 So I think one of the things that's great about using online and digital things is that they tend to foster collaboration. 00:40:51.460 --> 00:40:54.040 And that's one thing that Jesus wants, too. 00:40:54.380 --> 00:40:56.840 He wants us to be one as he and the Father is one. 00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:58.760 So, yeah, let's share ideas. 00:40:59.140 --> 00:40:59.660 Holy cow. 00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:01.040 We've got a big job to do. 00:41:01.600 --> 00:41:04.480 None of us by ourselves is going to win the will for Jesus. 00:41:04.780 --> 00:41:05.700 But that's our job. 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.520 So we've got to figure out how to work together. 00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:10.040 That's the only way we're going to get this done. 00:41:10.740 --> 00:41:16.540 So I would really welcome anyone who has ideas or who sees holes in mine. 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:17.500 Please tell me. 00:41:19.060 --> 00:41:26.420 And, yeah, I'll be more than happy to help people, you know, find and follow Jesus, because I think that's why we're here. 00:41:27.140 --> 00:41:27.480 I love it. 00:41:27.700 --> 00:41:30.320 Yeah, we'll put Jason's info in the show notes. 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.900 You can give him positive or negative feedback. 00:41:34.300 --> 00:41:35.420 Yeah, dude, I'll take them both. 00:41:35.700 --> 00:41:36.340 And whatever else. 00:41:36.460 --> 00:41:37.760 He'll take it all. 00:41:38.040 --> 00:41:38.580 It's awesome. 00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:41.420 Hey, listen, this has been a great podcast, Jason. 00:41:41.560 --> 00:41:42.920 I am so excited for you. 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:49.540 Thanks for, you know, taking the time here for the conversation and be praying for the road ahead. 00:41:49.780 --> 00:41:53.760 But for Jason, this is Jeff at the Church Digital and with Stadia Church Planning. 00:41:54.120 --> 00:41:55.660 Thanks for jumping on the pod here. 00:41:55.720 --> 00:41:56.680 We'll see you next time on the show. 00:41:57.120 --> 00:41:57.600 Y'all have a good day.