WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.800 Welcome to The Church Digital Podcast, powered by Stadia Church Planting. 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:08.540 Through this podcast, learn about how God is using technology and innovation 00:00:08.540 --> 00:00:11.580 in digital and digital environments around the world. 00:00:12.100 --> 00:00:16.000 Our goal? To help churches like yours learn to be the church digitally. 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:21.600 Our heart? That churches like yours will discover a newfound focus on disciple-making 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:23.600 that will revolutionize your church. 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:26.660 And now, your host, here's Jeff Reed. 00:00:26.840 --> 00:00:30.400 Hey, everybody. Jeff here with The Church Digital Podcast. 00:00:30.660 --> 00:00:33.220 Once again, all of this is powered by Stadia Church Planting. 00:00:33.680 --> 00:00:37.060 I miss the beta show format, the streaming format so much. 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:43.540 I just felt like I had to jump back in here and really talk about this idea of the metaverse. 00:00:43.720 --> 00:00:47.400 I am so excited for what came out of the announcement yesterday. 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:51.900 Mark Zuckerberg, in case you're under a rock, announced the new parent company 00:00:51.900 --> 00:00:57.240 that oversees Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Oculus, everything else they're doing. 00:00:57.540 --> 00:00:59.800 And he called it Meta. 00:01:00.040 --> 00:01:02.120 And so what a beautiful title. 00:01:02.500 --> 00:01:04.520 We're going to get into that here in a little bit. 00:01:04.900 --> 00:01:08.060 Meta basically describes the metaverse. 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:14.060 This digital, this virtual, this overarching realm, augmented reality. 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:17.260 This world that exists even within the world that we are. 00:01:17.320 --> 00:01:22.240 Now, if some of you out there are saying, Jeff's on pot, we got to take the streaming solution away from him. 00:01:22.340 --> 00:01:23.260 He's high right now. 00:01:23.320 --> 00:01:29.620 But the fact is, is that we can do so much in this metaverse with virtual reality, 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:32.480 with augmented reality, with a mixed reality. 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:36.660 Everything from the goggles, the headsets that we wear for virtual reality, 00:01:36.780 --> 00:01:38.880 to the glasses that I'm wearing with mine. 00:01:38.960 --> 00:01:41.840 If Apple could actually ever come out with the Apple class, that would be nice. 00:01:42.160 --> 00:01:49.140 As a matter of fact, I typed metaverse in iMessage today, and Apple actually corrected it. 00:01:49.260 --> 00:01:54.580 Apple didn't even recognize, Siri did not recognize the word metaverse, 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:58.320 and instead made it two words, metaverse. 00:01:58.700 --> 00:02:00.980 Maybe that's something that tells you a little how far, 00:02:01.240 --> 00:02:05.200 but actually, I cannot think of anything more Apple than that right now. 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:07.340 But that's another conversation for another day. 00:02:07.420 --> 00:02:14.440 Look, I really just want to talk about how these physical, how these digital lines are getting blurred. 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:19.960 How there really is this idea of physical and digital being separate things. 00:02:20.100 --> 00:02:22.380 Like, this is even a lesson that I'm learning in this season. 00:02:22.580 --> 00:02:28.540 As I've been the champion for digital-only expressions of church, 00:02:29.060 --> 00:02:32.080 digital first that grows physical and even digital. 00:02:32.720 --> 00:02:38.300 It's so difficult, and it's going to be, I believe, so difficult in the future to really separate those. 00:02:38.660 --> 00:02:44.940 Because I think what's happening is that all of it is getting blurred into this metaverse, 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:49.820 where we're finding that, hey, that digital element is existing in physical space. 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.740 And if you watch, we'll put it in the show notes, and we'll put the link out later. 00:02:53.740 --> 00:03:00.260 But as you watch the stuff with Mark Zuckerberg, as he's talking about what the future is going to hold with this technology, 00:03:01.460 --> 00:03:03.620 what's physical is also digital. 00:03:03.760 --> 00:03:08.120 And what digital is interacting in physical, and there's this beautiful method. 00:03:08.300 --> 00:03:12.820 And so church out there, while we're trying to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:17.920 while we're trying to separate one realm from the other and say that physical community is good, 00:03:18.020 --> 00:03:22.300 or physical is the right way, but digital doesn't work, or digital is inauthentic, or digital, 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:25.300 that's not what Jesus was talking about when he said this. 00:03:25.860 --> 00:03:28.460 At the end of the day, I believe that we need to do this. 00:03:28.540 --> 00:03:36.260 We need to find ways that the metaverse will complement, not compete with the physical church. 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:40.340 There has to be a way, and I want to challenge us to figure it out. 00:03:40.880 --> 00:03:43.540 How can we work together in this? 00:03:43.540 --> 00:03:50.480 What is the benefit that meta, that the metaverse can have in the physical space? 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:55.440 And what opportunities will the church find in this metaverse? 00:03:55.540 --> 00:03:57.900 By the way, metaverse is not new. 00:03:58.260 --> 00:04:00.760 Listen, Mark Zuckerberg, when he did his announcement yesterday, 00:04:01.160 --> 00:04:03.100 I don't know that there was anything that was okay. 00:04:03.200 --> 00:04:06.840 There were a couple things that were cool, just to kind of see the roadmap of where they're going 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.820 in his words the next five to ten years, and we'll get there in a little bit. 00:04:10.200 --> 00:04:15.400 But really, the concept of what the metaverse is, I mean, these are things, 00:04:15.500 --> 00:04:19.300 and there are already people that are championing in these areas. 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:24.440 And so it's not so much, look at this new idea of what's possible. 00:04:24.760 --> 00:04:27.460 I would almost challenge you, and we'll talk about it. 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:31.840 Look and see what God is already doing in these spaces, 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:38.240 and start to realize that maybe, just maybe, you're supposed to join him in that work there. 00:04:38.380 --> 00:04:39.420 Well, I digress. 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.540 We're going to get into that here in a little bit, but let's do this. 00:04:41.960 --> 00:04:45.960 Some opportunities your church can find in the metaverse. 00:04:46.080 --> 00:04:50.920 I keep thinking in my mind I'm saying multiverse because of, like, you know, Marvel Cinematics. 00:04:51.020 --> 00:04:51.960 So if I say multi, I'm sorry. 00:04:52.220 --> 00:04:52.580 Metaverse. 00:04:52.780 --> 00:04:55.660 What opportunities will your church find in the metaverse? 00:04:55.780 --> 00:04:58.540 Number one, a new environment for church services. 00:04:58.640 --> 00:05:02.220 Now, this may be the lazy answer, but I do believe this. 00:05:02.300 --> 00:05:10.380 I think that there is an opportunity for a meta expression of worship, one that blends physical and digital. 00:05:10.380 --> 00:05:12.860 And that may be, hey, you know what? 00:05:12.940 --> 00:05:17.360 Put on your augmented reality glasses, your Apple glass when it comes out, 00:05:17.700 --> 00:05:23.500 and there will be expressions within the physical church building that will complement what's happening. 00:05:23.640 --> 00:05:29.200 Maybe that's things within the musical worship set to gather and garner excitement. 00:05:29.640 --> 00:05:34.140 Maybe it's complimentary information or information that was cut off from the sermon 00:05:34.140 --> 00:05:37.840 and wasn't able to be said publicly, something that can complement that. 00:05:37.940 --> 00:05:40.940 Maybe it's an opportunity, you know, even some of the things within community, 00:05:40.940 --> 00:05:47.640 to bring someone into that physical service and to have them experience what you are experiencing. 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:54.220 So to say that augmented or the meta is not going to affect the physical worship service, 00:05:54.300 --> 00:06:01.580 well, we're losing an incredible opportunity to reinforce what's happening in the physical building without it. 00:06:01.580 --> 00:06:06.540 And I haven't even gotten into the whole thing of maybe there's like an avatar worship service happening somewhere, 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:09.360 not avatar the movie, avatar like the, anyway, other thing. 00:06:09.460 --> 00:06:09.960 Get there a little bit. 00:06:10.340 --> 00:06:11.940 Number two, hey, you know what? 00:06:11.960 --> 00:06:17.200 I think we're missing a new, we have an opportunity for a new education tool for discipleship. 00:06:18.100 --> 00:06:21.980 Augmented reality, that learning complements physical. 00:06:22.140 --> 00:06:27.660 What would disciple-making or multiplication look like if it was complemented with augmented reality 00:06:27.660 --> 00:06:30.420 or with virtual reality tools? 00:06:30.420 --> 00:06:35.840 Okay, hey, listen, there's a whole opportunity that's going to open up for more education. 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:42.200 I could tell you, hey, what if we're doing a Bible study on Job and we're able to put on glasses 00:06:42.200 --> 00:06:48.040 that now open up a whole system worth of information on the biblical knowledge of the 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:51.700 story of Job and start to discover what's happening in that space? 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:57.600 Maybe even it's relationally connecting with someone while you're going through that material, 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:01.320 like you're on a phone call with them, but now you're wearing glasses and you're able 00:07:01.320 --> 00:07:07.200 to talk with them easier in real time as if they're sitting next to you at that Starbucks. 00:07:07.200 --> 00:07:19.060 Maybe it's putting on the goggles and now I'm fully immersed in Paul's missionary journey and I'm walking with him. 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:23.960 I'm seeing what he saw in a real way that makes it real to me. 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:30.340 My wife and I, we were actually considering going on Israel, to a trip to Israel in 2022. 00:07:31.060 --> 00:07:36.800 I don't think we're going to do it for a number of reasons, but it was something that was offered to us and we were considering it. 00:07:36.880 --> 00:07:47.500 And it would be incredible to stand in that sand, to stand on that road, to see life the way that Jesus saw it, 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:51.340 to see things in the way that it was in his life's lifetime. 00:07:52.340 --> 00:07:57.580 But I'll tell you what, without writing that big check, I would love a virtual experience of that, 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:00.460 to see that, to be immersed in that, to understand that. 00:08:00.980 --> 00:08:06.480 And I hear from guys like DJ Soto that are creating these teaching, these disciple-making, 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:12.240 this discipleship, these Bible studies, where it's this immersive world that they're building 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:18.860 and people are seeing it even in rudimentary virtual reality technology that we have today. 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:23.260 They're seeing it in real time and it's impactful in understanding to the knowledge 00:08:23.260 --> 00:08:28.340 because it's not just one lecture style where it's not just hearing it, 00:08:28.540 --> 00:08:31.580 but they're also seeing it and experiencing it in a different way. 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:34.060 More senses are getting involved in it. 00:08:34.140 --> 00:08:41.200 And that's a beautiful, beautiful opportunity to further expand and to reach a different type of person that way. 00:08:41.260 --> 00:08:46.220 Number three here, kind of stalling out, a new mission field to invest in. 00:08:46.220 --> 00:08:53.340 The future, the opportunity for the church ahead is to really look at this new mission field to invest in. 00:08:53.860 --> 00:08:56.300 All right, hey, look, we've got guys, they're already doing this. 00:08:56.540 --> 00:09:01.880 Jake Earhart has been a guy that we've had several podcasts with who has invested himself 00:09:01.880 --> 00:09:10.060 into the mission field of virtual reality, of gamers, of people that are in that realm 00:09:10.060 --> 00:09:16.000 and spends hours, countless hours, investing, build relationships, sharing Jesus, 00:09:16.180 --> 00:09:19.040 and making a difference in these people's lives. 00:09:19.180 --> 00:09:21.520 And actually, I just had a conversation with Jake this past week 00:09:21.520 --> 00:09:26.220 and looking forward to doing a podcast with him again in 22 to talk about some of the awesome things 00:09:26.220 --> 00:09:28.620 that are happening as a result of Love Clan. 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:32.720 But even beyond that, we just had a conversation yesterday, ironically, 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:38.900 with another pastor who's investing his time specifically into virtual reality. 00:09:38.900 --> 00:09:45.440 His name's Pastor Brock, and he has some phenomenal stories about how he's building relationships. 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:49.020 Not necessarily, I don't, both of these guys, are they a church? 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:49.880 Are they not a church? 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:51.380 Listen, we can have that conversation. 00:09:51.920 --> 00:09:57.660 But at the end of it, they look at the community that's happening within metaverse, 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:02.880 within that realm, and they are investing of themselves into it. 00:10:03.140 --> 00:10:07.600 They are building relationships, almost the same way if I was going to go be a missionary in, 00:10:07.860 --> 00:10:09.980 I don't know why Belgium came into my mind, but Belgium. 00:10:10.180 --> 00:10:15.260 If I'm going to go be a missionary in Belgium, I am going to invest in the people. 00:10:15.380 --> 00:10:18.980 I'm going to build relationships, and I'm sharing, I want to share Christ with that. 00:10:19.420 --> 00:10:23.640 And it's been awesome to see guys like Jake, like Pastor Brock, 00:10:23.980 --> 00:10:29.420 invest of themselves into those relationships as if they were in another country. 00:10:29.520 --> 00:10:33.540 It's interesting, the metaverse even possibly being another country. 00:10:34.060 --> 00:10:38.020 Number four here, a new community worthy of a church. 00:10:38.100 --> 00:10:42.280 A new community worthy of a church, maybe, just maybe. 00:10:42.420 --> 00:10:46.040 And this is, listen, there are guys like, and Brock, we had this conversation. 00:10:46.140 --> 00:10:49.280 We'll look forward to it in the podcast here in the coming weeks. 00:10:49.920 --> 00:10:52.900 Brock's doing some incredible stuff in virtual reality. 00:10:53.380 --> 00:10:55.740 But the second you start talking about, are you a church? 00:10:55.880 --> 00:10:57.560 He pushes back a little bit. 00:10:57.600 --> 00:10:58.200 You know what, Jeff? 00:10:58.300 --> 00:11:00.240 I don't think I'm a church. 00:11:00.420 --> 00:11:03.500 I believe the church needs to be more in the physical space. 00:11:03.580 --> 00:11:06.100 And so he's leaning heavy into the mission field, 00:11:06.220 --> 00:11:10.420 but not necessarily to the point that a digital community is a community worthy of a church. 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:16.160 What's interesting is other guys are seeing immense benefit from it, 00:11:16.220 --> 00:11:17.320 from a ministry perspective. 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:20.660 Guys like DJ Soto with VR Church. 00:11:20.740 --> 00:11:27.720 Guys like Jason Poling with Cornerstone Yuba City, which is the physical location for them, 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.560 and Cornerstone VR. 00:11:31.140 --> 00:11:35.120 Lakeland Church, as well, up in Minnesota, has had huge success, 00:11:35.660 --> 00:11:41.420 Stewart, over there with their virtual reality, where they are doing church services. 00:11:41.520 --> 00:11:43.840 They are being the church entirely in virtual reality. 00:11:44.740 --> 00:11:48.520 As a matter of fact, DJ Soto will tell you, with his church, at least he's told me in the past, 00:11:48.680 --> 00:11:53.660 80 to 85% of the people who attend his church are agnostics, they're atheists. 00:11:54.100 --> 00:11:58.720 They have no foundation of Christ at all. 00:11:58.800 --> 00:12:03.260 It's not de-churched, it's unchurched people coming in and experiencing. 00:12:03.380 --> 00:12:04.300 Yeah, sometimes they're trolls. 00:12:04.560 --> 00:12:05.560 Sometimes they come negative. 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:08.640 Sometimes the trolls accept Christ, and that's a phenomenal story. 00:12:09.060 --> 00:12:11.660 And DJ's talked about those on podcasts in the past. 00:12:11.780 --> 00:12:15.640 Jason Poling with Cornerstone Yuba City is a different story. 00:12:16.300 --> 00:12:20.740 He would tell 80%, 75 to 80% are de-churched. 00:12:21.100 --> 00:12:26.020 These are people that have been burned by the church or by people within the church. 00:12:26.020 --> 00:12:29.620 Often you're not burned by God, you're burned by the model. 00:12:29.920 --> 00:12:33.980 And so the majority of them have stepped back because of people or something within a specific model. 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:38.880 But the first step back towards the bride of Christ is through virtual reality goggles. 00:12:39.980 --> 00:12:42.760 And so you've got all these opportunities here, 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:47.240 ending with maybe being the church, operating in the church, 00:12:47.420 --> 00:12:53.020 in this metaverse, in this avatar world, in this virtual reality community. 00:12:53.520 --> 00:12:58.880 Listen, whether or not it's a community is not the church's to decide. 00:12:59.980 --> 00:13:02.000 And especially listening to all this stuff, 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:06.340 if you haven't listened to Mark Zuckerberg's 76-minute presentation, you should. 00:13:06.500 --> 00:13:11.320 I don't think I will ever listen to an Apple keynote again until they bring out the Apple Glass. 00:13:11.580 --> 00:13:13.320 And from now on, I'm a Zuck man. 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:19.540 That was an awesome presentation because it showed us what Facebook's future is, 00:13:19.760 --> 00:13:25.060 what now Meta's future is, and the opportunities for that community to exist. 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:26.600 Zuckerberg's already said it's a community, 00:13:26.860 --> 00:13:30.860 and he's going to invest Facebook money into making sure it's a community. 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.060 The real question for us churches, 00:13:33.520 --> 00:13:35.760 do we think it's a community that's worthy of a church? 00:13:36.760 --> 00:13:40.720 And I would love to work with people. 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:46.720 I want to find the people that want that to be a community that's worthy of a church. 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.640 People, church out there, pastor listening to me right now, 00:13:51.020 --> 00:13:53.400 do not fear the metaverse. 00:13:54.140 --> 00:13:59.460 You should fear the MCU multiverse more than you should the metaverse. 00:13:59.560 --> 00:14:01.980 The metaverse is not going to hurt us. 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:04.080 Lean into this. 00:14:05.420 --> 00:14:08.240 Yeah, okay, Facebook, maybe we trust, maybe we don't trust. 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:10.680 If you're not paying for the product, you are the product. 00:14:10.680 --> 00:14:14.880 There are reasons to kind of challenge it and question here a little bit. 00:14:15.220 --> 00:14:19.000 But that doesn't mean we don't take advantage of it as well. 00:14:19.680 --> 00:14:21.340 By the way, Zuckerberg said, and I said it earlier, 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:25.740 five to 10 years from this virtual reality, from this metaverse, 00:14:25.880 --> 00:14:28.180 from this technology becoming mainstream. 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.000 Yeah, a lot of it's being experimented and worked on right now. 00:14:31.060 --> 00:14:31.960 Some of it's in beta. 00:14:33.140 --> 00:14:35.400 But we've got churches, five to 10 years. 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:37.820 I mean, I'm 44 right now. 00:14:37.820 --> 00:14:45.080 By the time I'm 55, 2022, 2023, yeah, this is going to be common. 00:14:46.020 --> 00:14:48.380 Now, for some of you, that feels like, man, that's a lifetime away. 00:14:48.520 --> 00:14:50.660 I can barely get through, like, day-to-day stuff. 00:14:50.860 --> 00:14:53.280 And there may be some truth to that. 00:14:54.100 --> 00:14:55.820 But there's an opportunity here to lean in. 00:14:56.260 --> 00:15:01.940 There's an opportunity here to get in front of the curveball and run with it, 00:15:01.940 --> 00:15:06.080 instead of getting hit from behind like so many of us did with the COVID shift. 00:15:06.740 --> 00:15:10.840 So what I would challenge us in this season, church, pastor out there, 00:15:10.980 --> 00:15:12.940 is listen to this. 00:15:13.160 --> 00:15:13.860 Lean in. 00:15:14.280 --> 00:15:14.720 Experiment. 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:20.480 You know, even with the Jason Poling situation when he launched Cornerstone Virtual Reality, 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:25.660 truthfully, he didn't know any, and I've got this podcast conversation with him, 00:15:25.980 --> 00:15:27.500 he didn't know anything about virtual reality. 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:31.840 The people that knew VR were people, volunteers within his church. 00:15:31.900 --> 00:15:34.880 You just got jacked up, excited about it, and said, we should do this. 00:15:35.380 --> 00:15:40.260 And oftentimes, I would imagine there are people within your church that maybe are jacked up, 00:15:40.340 --> 00:15:45.340 excited about doing something in the metaverse, in social media, in digital, in video games. 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:48.700 And rather than saying no, say yes. 00:15:48.760 --> 00:15:49.740 Even if it's yes, but. 00:15:50.140 --> 00:15:51.400 Yes, let me walk with you. 00:15:51.740 --> 00:15:53.300 Yes, but I want you to take someone else. 00:15:53.420 --> 00:15:58.180 Yes, but I need to disciple you first so that I can trust you spiritually to the place that you can run. 00:15:58.340 --> 00:16:03.000 Whatever the but is that needs to happen to make it happen for you in that situation, 00:16:03.500 --> 00:16:06.760 figure out the but and get them to the point where you can release them, 00:16:06.820 --> 00:16:09.060 or at least trust them to do something. 00:16:09.160 --> 00:16:12.460 Maybe even, like, start a church in metaverse. 00:16:12.980 --> 00:16:13.280 I don't know. 00:16:13.500 --> 00:16:15.520 I didn't wake up this morning or yesterday morning and think, 00:16:15.580 --> 00:16:18.540 hey, I'm going to really be talking about starting churches in metaverse. 00:16:18.680 --> 00:16:20.460 But, hey, welcome to 2021, right? 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:27.020 Hey, Tom and I are going to be focusing a lot on metaverse here with the 2021 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:28.880 in the days and weeks to come. 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:30.600 But, hey, I want you to do this right now. 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:35.300 If you've got to church digital, like I said, the metaverse is not a new thing. 00:16:36.580 --> 00:16:39.200 Facebook's announcement yesterday was not new. 00:16:39.420 --> 00:16:43.080 It was more of there's going to just be intentional focus on this. 00:16:43.140 --> 00:16:48.740 So if you want to learn what is actually happening right now in the metaverse, 00:16:48.980 --> 00:16:53.440 in the church, what churches are taking advantage of this and what it looks like, 00:16:54.060 --> 00:16:54.680 go ahead and do this. 00:16:54.680 --> 00:16:58.320 Swing to the church.digital slash metaverse. 00:16:58.460 --> 00:17:03.200 Go to the website, thechurch.digital slash metaverse. 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:05.480 A great number of resources there. 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.900 Jason Poling, Jade Earhart, Tom Pounder, 00:17:09.460 --> 00:17:14.340 Stuart up with Lakeland Church up in Minnesota. 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.960 Some awesome, there's a blog written by DJ and some others. 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:24.220 And Tom's got a blog published on Tuesday on this and some other things are happening. 00:17:24.460 --> 00:17:27.300 So lots of stuff happening with the metaverse. 00:17:27.940 --> 00:17:31.720 And here, church, this is our opportunity to get ahead of the curve, 00:17:31.980 --> 00:17:37.700 to jump in and to learn along the way, to meet a different type of person 00:17:37.700 --> 00:17:43.420 and maybe discover a new community that's worthy of a church. 00:17:43.600 --> 00:17:44.940 So, hey, we're going to wrap. 00:17:45.040 --> 00:17:45.700 This has been great. 00:17:45.980 --> 00:17:47.900 I am Jeff with The Church Digital. 00:17:48.280 --> 00:17:49.220 And we stayed at Church Planning. 00:17:49.340 --> 00:17:52.900 Thanks for jumping on this live stream and this podcast. 00:17:53.420 --> 00:17:54.040 See you next time. 00:17:54.140 --> 00:17:54.620 Y'all have a good day. 00:17:54.680 --> 00:18:24.660 Thank you.