WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.820 Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. 00:00:02.320 --> 00:00:06.340 Through this podcast, learn about how God is using technology and innovation 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:09.400 in digital and digital environments around the world. 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:13.820 Our goal? To help churches like yours learn to be the church digitally. 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:19.420 Our heart? That churches like yours will discover a newfound focus on disciple-making 00:00:19.420 --> 00:00:21.440 that will revolutionize your church. 00:00:21.840 --> 00:00:24.480 And now, your host, here's Jeff Reed. 00:00:24.900 --> 00:00:27.080 All right, hey, you got the Church Digital Podcast. 00:00:27.340 --> 00:00:29.040 Welcome, fam. Good to have you back here. 00:00:29.040 --> 00:00:37.540 This is episode 204, and we are still in the Church Digital Podcast Network takeover season. 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:40.380 I got Chesley Lunday. You know what, Chesley? I'll go ahead and introduce you early. 00:00:40.660 --> 00:00:46.380 Normally do that later on, but Chesley Lunday coming in here from Digital Church Network 00:00:46.380 --> 00:00:48.080 and a whole bunch of other places. 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:50.080 Hey, man, welcome. How are you doing? 00:00:50.480 --> 00:00:52.440 What's up? Doing pretty good. 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:56.900 Am I number two on the list now behind Ray? Am I there yet? 00:00:57.080 --> 00:00:58.520 What do you mean? Number two for what? 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:06.340 Well, Ray's been on the Church Digital Podcast for, I mean, episodes, but I'm on number five now. 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:08.500 So am I number two yet? 00:01:08.900 --> 00:01:15.260 I'll tell you. I'll tell you. It's close. I'm willing to bet Tyler Sansom still has an edge on you. 00:01:15.420 --> 00:01:18.120 Tyler, you're not allowed to come on, bro. You're not allowed to come on. 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:24.720 By the way, Tyler Sansom, now lead pastor of Church Anywhere in First Capital Christian. 00:01:24.720 --> 00:01:29.780 Super excited about what he's doing there up there with that church. Super stuff. 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:36.120 But yeah, we did like a, I think we did a three or four part series. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom with him going through Church Anywhere. 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:37.640 And he's still got the edge on you. 00:01:38.440 --> 00:01:45.540 You're going to beat him. You're going to own him. It's just a matter of, you know, time here. We'll get it in season three. I promise you that. 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:48.100 I got a lead pastor of church or something. I don't know. 00:01:50.220 --> 00:01:56.440 Yeah, I guess so. But, you know, even just talking about season three, I thought we knew what we were doing with season three. 00:01:56.560 --> 00:02:00.600 And I was in a meeting with Chesley and some of the other Digital Church Network team. 00:02:00.600 --> 00:02:05.980 And we just like dropped a bomb on all of that. And season three is going to be awesome. 00:02:05.980 --> 00:02:10.300 I just have no idea what it is right now, but it's going to be great in like two weeks. 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:14.200 So hang around. Season three is going to be great. 00:02:14.600 --> 00:02:21.460 Hey, you know what? Let's let's hone in because I could literally do this all day and you will have a four hour podcast episode here. 00:02:21.600 --> 00:02:24.760 We're not careful. But hey, you know, I am super excited. 00:02:24.880 --> 00:02:31.160 And if you haven't seen this or been a part of this, then you got to come join the family over here with Digital Church Network. 00:02:31.380 --> 00:02:35.720 We launched. You know what? Actually, Chesley, this is this is like your baby, man. 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:40.620 You have done such a great job. You and Shane and the team putting this together. 00:02:40.620 --> 00:02:47.480 But talk here a little bit about FAM and this this network, this community we're building here through DCN. 00:02:47.480 --> 00:02:58.280 Yeah. Well, we all know that being a digital church planter, somebody in digital ministry, anything digital right now in church space, it might feel sexy on the outside. 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:03.120 But you and I both know we've been square pegs and round holes for a very long time. 00:03:03.340 --> 00:03:16.200 And so we need a community of like minded people to learn from, to pray for, to be cared for and to begin to think about what the future of digital church is going to look like. 00:03:16.200 --> 00:03:26.800 And so Jeff and I, a few months ago, along with Shane Higgins, began to sit down and dream about what it would look like to create what's now the Digital Church Network. 00:03:27.640 --> 00:03:37.560 So we got 220 members now. So we're hanging in there. We're moving right along and have a lot of fun. 00:03:37.660 --> 00:03:42.140 We're going to have Rob Wagner soon. We're going to do some movement stuff, which you're going to talk about here in a second. 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:48.420 So I would love to see you on there. You will get a message from me. I will talk to you. I will say hi. 00:03:48.600 --> 00:03:52.780 I might even spam you a little bit on the network just to say hi some more. 00:03:52.780 --> 00:03:59.360 Well, nothing makes people want to join an online community like talking about how you're going to spam them. 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:04.480 It's really just DMing, really having a conversation, having fun. That's all it is, really. 00:04:04.920 --> 00:04:14.680 Yeah. I mean, listen, if you're involved in digital ministry in any different way, in helping established churches understand digital ministry, 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:18.880 if you're interested in planting a digital church, if you're wrestling with metaverse, 00:04:19.300 --> 00:04:23.240 hey, it's going to be hard, metaverse people. I get it. You're addicted to Discord. 00:04:23.780 --> 00:04:26.940 Come hang out in something different here. Here's what I need you to do. 00:04:27.280 --> 00:04:35.100 Go to famfam.digitalchurch.network fam.digitalchurch.network fam.digitalchurch.network. 00:04:35.620 --> 00:04:41.520 FAM. Come check it out. Put a link in the show notes. Click on it. Come see what's going on. 00:04:41.520 --> 00:04:48.720 Would love to have you be a part of what's coming on. We've got trainings going towards movement, 00:04:49.180 --> 00:04:58.020 discipleship training, evangelism training, random roundtables talking about digital ministry and metaverse 00:04:58.020 --> 00:05:02.740 and things like that. We're going to be hitting some solid topics. And honestly, like the thing that 00:05:02.740 --> 00:05:05.840 we're wrestling with, I got to figure out the tech. I'll tell you what, I'll give you a sneak peek. 00:05:05.840 --> 00:05:12.040 What we're looking at with season three is even doing that, recording that live in FAM. And so 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:17.480 really starting to connect with the community, getting some live interaction from the audiences 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:23.780 working through this and hitting some of these hard topics recorded there live in front of the FAM 00:05:23.780 --> 00:05:32.920 studio audience. So listen, check it out. FAM.digitalchurch.network. Much more coming as it comes to the 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:37.320 Digital Church Network. Super excited about it, but we're going to get all into that here as we get 00:05:37.320 --> 00:05:45.560 closer to season three. Well, Chesley, I feel is like my long lost brother because I have spent 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:53.740 so much time. I am adopted and I feel like Chesley at this point is like my birth brother that I didn't 00:05:53.740 --> 00:05:58.560 know existed because I'm spending so much time with him on these platforms, starting to dialogue 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:03.360 talk through Digital Church Network and the Church Digital and so much stuff. I've loved working with 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:09.240 him here. Chesley, you're spinning up a podcast here called the Chesley Lunday Experience. Why don't 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:14.080 you talk here a little bit? Tell us some of the why and the how and what you're talking about here on the 00:06:14.080 --> 00:06:22.720 podcast. Yeah, well, obviously we are in an age of disruption. And so it's really cool if you are an 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:29.040 organization or a church that's doing the disrupting. It's not cool if you're the church that is getting 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:40.580 disrupted. So we want to help churches like you learn how to think creatively, innovatively in this 00:06:40.580 --> 00:06:47.520 next era. And it's going to take out of the box aha moments. And so we get the ability to do that. 00:06:47.520 --> 00:06:53.500 So I'm going to have guests on, already having guests on that are in different industries. I just 00:06:53.500 --> 00:07:00.880 had a conversation with an author. Her name is Carrie Melissa Jones. She wrote Building Brand 00:07:00.880 --> 00:07:07.060 Community. She talked about what it's like to build online digital community. And she does this for Nike. 00:07:07.260 --> 00:07:12.620 She's done it for Sephora. She's done it for two presidential campaigns. Like she knows exactly what 00:07:12.620 --> 00:07:18.720 she's doing in the digital space. And then also other organizations like you that do have real 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:24.840 questions. And that's actually what we're going to talk about today on the podcast is I sit down with 00:07:24.840 --> 00:07:32.660 the church that has a real question about what digital platform should I, as a church leader, 00:07:32.660 --> 00:07:37.140 as an organizational leader, which one should we be focused on? 00:07:37.140 --> 00:07:44.260 Yeah, I love what you're doing here at the podcast and really even doing like live coaching with 00:07:44.260 --> 00:07:51.100 churches that are wanting to explore this space. And so, man, I would love to just give a shout out 00:07:51.100 --> 00:07:59.560 here. If anybody is interested in coming on and getting like custom coaching to address the things 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:05.400 that are going on, I love what Chesley's doing. Hey, come on my podcast. Let me, I'll do the coaching 00:08:05.400 --> 00:08:10.680 with you. And, and, oh, by the way, I'm going to share the coaching live with, you know, other people 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:16.540 on the podcast. Like that's, that's a, if churches are not taking advantage of that, like, what's wrong 00:08:16.540 --> 00:08:21.800 with you? Come on. Hey, Jeff, I don't want to air my dirty laundry. Everybody else has the same dirty 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:27.900 laundry as you. What are you worried about? Get in there and just let somebody, you know, work it out. 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:32.600 Even bringing the team to hash it out. That's why I'm so excited about the specifics 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:38.040 of, of this episode we're diving into. Chesley, set it up here with, with the podcast. Who are you 00:08:38.040 --> 00:08:43.820 specifically talking to? Yeah, we're talking with, uh, pastor Michael DeYoung out of Northwest Iowa 00:08:43.820 --> 00:08:51.140 and him and his team, actually, he's got a couple of guys on the phone, uh, online with me. And we're 00:08:51.140 --> 00:08:58.740 actually talking through this, uh, this problem. They, they start with what, what platform should we be on? 00:08:58.740 --> 00:09:05.320 But we actually get quickly into the questions that are most important around it. And they're 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:11.880 doing amazing things there. Like they, they run an organization that was, uh, that was handling sex 00:09:11.880 --> 00:09:18.640 trafficking and helping girls get out of that. They have been involved with FCA in their community 00:09:18.640 --> 00:09:24.660 community and they decided to plant their church during COVID, which is amazing. And so they've been 00:09:24.660 --> 00:09:30.400 doing an amazing job of coalescing people in their community. And they're beginning to think about what 00:09:30.400 --> 00:09:36.920 does it look like to be beyond their community? How do we hone in on the right audience, uh, that will 00:09:36.920 --> 00:09:42.520 become, be coming to our church? And what does that look like? So they're starting to wrestle with the 00:09:42.520 --> 00:09:47.980 online, uh, platform as they move the message of Jesus forward in their community. 00:09:48.380 --> 00:09:54.220 Yeah. So a good platform conversation is, is what you're walking into. And, and I've loved what I've 00:09:54.220 --> 00:09:58.980 heard with this. So by the way, if you want to subscribe to Chesley's, uh, podcast, the Chesley 00:09:58.980 --> 00:10:03.480 Lunday experience, put links in the show notes. You can click on it there. By the way, if you're 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:09.160 interested in coaching, I should say this, even email Chesley, Chesley at thechurch.digital, 00:10:09.260 --> 00:10:14.880 get connected with him and, uh, and, and, and explore that road like more need to, but I'm super 00:10:14.880 --> 00:10:21.220 excited about this conversation here. Uh, we're bringing it in for episode 204. We're talking about 00:10:21.220 --> 00:10:28.480 what platforms, uh, the Chesley Lunday experience take over, uh, here with the church digital podcast. 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:34.240 So for Chesley and myself, here you go. Here's the show. Take a look. So what is the question that 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:39.280 you're really wanting to solve in our time together, or at least beginning, begin to solve and have a 00:10:39.280 --> 00:10:45.980 roadmap to do that, doing that? You know, I would say, you know, the main thought is like, okay, 00:10:45.980 --> 00:10:53.880 what platform do you focus on? Um, what innovation, what technology do you use? And, uh, you know, 00:10:53.880 --> 00:10:58.500 how do you get that message out there when you do decide to go the digital, the digital way? So I'd 00:10:58.500 --> 00:11:05.400 say, you know, what, what platforms, um, what innovation, like there's so much technology out 00:11:05.400 --> 00:11:11.260 there. Like the average guy just doesn't know exactly what to use and, uh, how to get it up and 00:11:11.260 --> 00:11:16.140 going. So that'd be our main question. Welcome to the Chesley Lunday experience. The purpose of 00:11:16.140 --> 00:11:22.800 this podcast is to help your church innovate in an age of disruption. But to do that, you can't 00:11:22.800 --> 00:11:28.600 continue to do what you've always done. No, you need new ideas and creative approaches to rethink 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:35.680 and redesign the methods of the past. Chesley, that's me, helps you discover those out of the 00:11:35.680 --> 00:11:42.080 box aha moments so that you can apply them to your unique context. Hey, welcome to the Chesley 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:48.480 Lunday experience. I'm your host, Chesley Lunday. For the next 40 minutes, we dive into the most 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:55.220 pressing problems that you need solved. And I coach you through that problem. In this podcast, 00:11:55.280 --> 00:12:01.020 we hang out with Michael DeYoung and his team. So Michael carries a heart for revival regionally 00:12:01.020 --> 00:12:07.720 and nationally. And in 2014, Michael and his wife helped birth a ministry called Action 169, 00:12:08.060 --> 00:12:14.700 which fights against commercial sexual exploitation and sex trafficking. When COVID hit in 2020, 00:12:14.860 --> 00:12:19.200 many churches began to shut down and Michael and Jenna began to gather people in their home, 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:24.760 which led to what they call an acts type movement right in Northwest Iowa. From there, 00:12:24.860 --> 00:12:30.160 they began to get invited to preach around the Midwest in tents, fields, barns, homes, 00:12:30.160 --> 00:12:36.660 and event centers. So in the fall of 2021, Michael followed God's call and a new church called 00:12:36.660 --> 00:12:42.480 Activation Church was birthed. So Michael also works in schools pioneering Fellowship of Christian 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:48.700 Athletes in Sioux County. And Michael is married to Jenna, his wife, and loves spending time with his 00:12:48.700 --> 00:12:56.000 family. So they came to our session with one pressing question. That's this, what digital platform 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:01.860 should we be focusing on? I know that is a problem that each and every one of you are sitting there 00:13:01.860 --> 00:13:07.820 trying to figure out. Some of you are like, Hey, we use all of them, but maybe just maybe you need 00:13:07.820 --> 00:13:15.180 to think a little deeper as to which one you should be on. So let's go right to it. We got Michael, 00:13:15.420 --> 00:13:22.000 Nicholas, and Josh on the call with us today, and we are going to dive into the problem that they need 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:28.300 to have solved. And so for the next 30 minutes, we're going to talk about like, how do we have an 00:13:28.300 --> 00:13:32.480 innovative solution to the problem? So Michael, if you want to start, tell us a little bit about 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:37.820 your ministry and then what problem you guys want to solve. And you guys jump in, Nick and Josh, 00:13:37.880 --> 00:13:45.760 whenever you feel like it. Yeah. So we have a ministry called Activation Ministries, which has now 00:13:45.760 --> 00:13:50.240 turned into Activation Church. And it's the birth of a new church here in Northwest Iowa, 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:55.540 just South Orange City, Iowa. So it's been exciting. We've been in, you know, three months since we 00:13:55.540 --> 00:14:01.740 started our Sunday gatherings. But honestly, the, you know, ministry began, you know, to really launch 00:14:01.740 --> 00:14:07.480 with this body of people back when COVID hit. And, you know, as COVID hit, you know, we came out of a 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:12.880 six-day revival, six-day awakening. And, you know, churches began to shut down and the Lord, you know, 00:14:12.880 --> 00:14:18.280 called us to start building. So we began to build in the home and it gave birth. And it's just really a 00:14:18.280 --> 00:14:24.380 fresh move of God's Spirit and His Word. And it's been exciting to see a new body emerge through 00:14:24.380 --> 00:14:29.260 a time of transition in the church. So, you know, I believe the church is in an awesome transition 00:14:29.260 --> 00:14:33.960 season. And it's a season where we actually can, you know, expect a lot of good things, 00:14:34.040 --> 00:14:37.380 great things to have for the body. And there's no quote, man, it says, 00:14:37.580 --> 00:14:42.880 it's always darkest before the dawn. And I just feel like the dawn for the church, like the sun is 00:14:42.880 --> 00:14:47.100 breaking out, man, and the light is starting to shine. And in dark times, God's true brightest 00:14:47.100 --> 00:14:53.480 emergence. So, you know, we're looking to really, honestly, you know, on the gathering side of it, 00:14:53.560 --> 00:14:58.560 the week-to-week side of it, fully take advantage of the season we're in and reach people. But then 00:14:58.560 --> 00:15:04.940 also on the digital side, you know, how can we capitalize and really, you know, reach people 00:15:04.940 --> 00:15:10.400 for the gospel with new digital strategies, which has been a big part of ours. So we're looking to 00:15:10.400 --> 00:15:15.100 really supplement alongside our week-to-week gathering and get some advice from you on how 00:15:15.100 --> 00:15:18.180 to really build this digitally as well. 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:23.020 Yeah, absolutely. What do you guys got, Josh, Nick? What are you thinking? 00:15:24.400 --> 00:15:29.600 Yeah, I think just even with conversations we've been having recently at the church, 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:34.540 as far as digital strategies go, we've gone back and forth on whether we want to live stream 00:15:34.540 --> 00:15:39.460 church on Sunday mornings or whether we want to start another service where it's more of a 00:15:39.460 --> 00:15:49.240 in-home kind of private base, but reach out beyond even our region and to across the nation where 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:54.680 other people need community and connection and discipleship and are looking for something like 00:15:54.680 --> 00:16:01.040 Activation Church. So, yeah, there's just like a few different things where Activation is looking 00:16:01.040 --> 00:16:07.680 to grow in the digital sphere, you might say. One being just like even figuring out if we want to 00:16:07.680 --> 00:16:15.440 live stream, but I think we are for sure wanting to record our services and so we can get those out 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:19.740 to people who can't make it to church or are serving in different parts of the church and don't get to 00:16:19.740 --> 00:16:26.480 see the service. And yeah, just to have a record of those messages that are going forth and then 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:34.000 also, yeah, to expand into new regions. Even though Activation is very Northwest Iowa focused as far as the 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:40.240 church, the ministry side of it is really, I see it and I think, I know Mike sees it as a national 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:47.100 ministry. We have things lined up to go across the state and people coming in from across the nation 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:53.760 to come and gather. So projecting that out into the digital sphere, getting the word out, but also being 00:16:53.760 --> 00:17:00.080 able to bring people in and disciple people from wherever they're at. So I think that's the goal and the 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:06.040 vision and yeah, what that looks like is still a mystery, but. Yeah, absolutely. Nick, you want to add 00:17:06.040 --> 00:17:16.020 anything to that, man? Yeah, I think I agree with both Josh and Mike on what they were saying. And you 00:17:16.020 --> 00:17:22.180 know, the thing, the thing that I think about a lot is, you know, what makes a local church? What are the 00:17:22.180 --> 00:17:28.140 components that, yeah, that, yeah, make a church local and a local expression of the capital C 00:17:28.140 --> 00:17:36.420 church? And then how do you maintain that, that biblical definition of church when you're expanding 00:17:36.420 --> 00:17:42.760 beyond your gathering space itself? And so that's something I think just personally, like, yeah, 00:17:42.760 --> 00:17:50.760 how do you, how do you stay faithful to being a local church that's drawing people in, going out to them, 00:17:50.760 --> 00:17:55.280 preaching the gospel or coming into a local church fellowship? And then now our responsibility 00:17:55.280 --> 00:18:01.660 is to build those disciples in their faith and establish that, establish that church. And then, 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:08.500 yeah, how does outreach with, you know, digital media fit into that? But then also, is there a local 00:18:08.500 --> 00:18:16.400 church component to digital media? And I think that's something I'm praying to you? How does that, how does 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.400 that work, you know? So. 00:18:19.580 --> 00:18:24.580 Yeah, I appreciate that. That question is a question that I think a lot of people are having right now. 00:18:25.500 --> 00:18:28.760 If we want to use a fancy term, it's called ecclesiology, right? 00:18:29.460 --> 00:18:36.580 It's like, what makes a church a church? Like what's, what makes it at least legit? So we can go back to 00:18:36.580 --> 00:18:41.300 scripture and debate theology all day, but like at the end of the day, we're called to make a disciple 00:18:41.300 --> 00:18:47.180 of all nations. So that's, that's what Jesus called us to. And so how can we help you guys do that 00:18:47.180 --> 00:18:52.060 better? So what is the question that you're really wanting to solve in our time together, 00:18:52.060 --> 00:18:56.200 or at least beginning, begin to solve and have a roadmap to do that, doing that? 00:18:57.820 --> 00:19:02.900 You know, I would say, you know, the main thought is like, okay, what platform do you focus on? 00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:10.440 What innovation, what technology do you use? And, you know, how do you get that message out there 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:16.240 when you do decide to go the digital, the digital way? So I'd say, you know, what, what platforms, 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:23.440 what innovation, like there's so much technology out there, like the average guy just doesn't know 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:28.120 exactly what to use and how to get it up and going. So that'd be your main question. 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:34.040 Okay. So I'm going to put my consulting hat here on the coaching hat here for the second. 00:19:35.120 --> 00:19:41.900 When, when most of us that are in church world begin to think about digital strategy, 00:19:41.900 --> 00:19:46.720 the first question we go to is, well, what digital platform should I use? 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:52.460 But that's actually the last question we should be asking. We have a couple other questions we've 00:19:52.460 --> 00:20:00.240 got to answer before we ask the platform. And here, here's the reason why your, your answers to 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:05.280 the previous or to the questions that go before will actually determine whether or not you should 00:20:05.280 --> 00:20:13.980 use a platform or not. So one of the first questions we've got to ask is who is the type of person 00:20:13.980 --> 00:20:21.300 that God has called you guys to reach? Like everybody has got a one, we call it the one, 00:20:21.520 --> 00:20:28.220 right? And so the one for, for us is like, Jesus has a hundred sheep, 99 of them are in the flock, 00:20:28.300 --> 00:20:34.180 but one of them went astray. There's got to be a missionary zeal on the inside of you to, 00:20:34.300 --> 00:20:41.520 to go and reach that one. You know, Paul said, I become like the Greeks to the Greeks, the Jews to 00:20:41.520 --> 00:20:48.060 the Jews, the foreigner to the foreigner. So that way, and, and by all means, I might reach some of 00:20:48.060 --> 00:20:54.440 them. So he really thought in terms of missionary zeal, how do I become like you to reach you? 00:20:55.120 --> 00:21:01.940 And so we, as churches, as local churches have limited amount of resources. We have a limited 00:21:01.940 --> 00:21:07.920 amount of time, uh, and we have a limited amount of attention. And so we have to come together and 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:15.340 decide who is it that God is calling us to spend our money, to spend our time, to spend our attention, 00:21:15.340 --> 00:21:25.260 to reach. So often churches say everyone. Yes. I'm not, I'm not, uh, discounting that, but we need 00:21:25.260 --> 00:21:29.860 to focus. We need to have, you know how Taco Bell has their core menu and then they have a bunch of 00:21:29.860 --> 00:21:34.380 other stuff. Well, when COVID happened, what did they do? They shuttered their menu and went down to 00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:40.220 their core focus. So you need to start with the core focus. Now I'm not trying to compare your church 00:21:40.220 --> 00:21:46.740 to Taco Bell, but I love Taco Bell. So, so I would ask you guys, um, have you decided who your 00:21:46.740 --> 00:21:55.100 missionary zeal? Who's your one? Yeah, that's a great question. Um, you guys have an answer, 00:21:55.200 --> 00:22:02.820 but Nick or Josh, you guys have a thought? I guess my, my first thought, um, just in the region that 00:22:02.820 --> 00:22:10.420 Activation Church is planted in, I see it as a transition, a place where to reach people who 00:22:10.420 --> 00:22:15.520 have never encountered the things of the spirit or have really fully entered into surrender with 00:22:15.520 --> 00:22:20.700 the Lord, who have grown up in tradition and religion, but have never actually experienced 00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:27.420 true relationship and the true power and presence of God that's here to be encountered and to live in 00:22:27.420 --> 00:22:32.420 and to walk in. I feel like Activation Church is that. And it's, we've always talked about, of course, 00:22:32.460 --> 00:22:37.680 it's Activation Church. So we're activating people not to just sit in church on Sunday, but to go out 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:44.320 and do the works of the ministry as well. And so it's discipling and equipping, bringing people out of 00:22:44.320 --> 00:22:52.460 what traditional church used to look like and into the fullness of the spirit and equipped to go and do 00:22:52.460 --> 00:22:57.560 the works of the ministry, the gifts that the spirit has given them. That's how I've kind of seen it. 00:22:59.220 --> 00:23:00.600 Anybody want to add to that? 00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:08.300 I have a quick thought, like, you know, the thought of people wanting more. And I feel like our body is, 00:23:09.040 --> 00:23:13.660 you know, people wanting more than just a place to come check the box on a Sunday and get the service 00:23:13.660 --> 00:23:19.160 in. So we've been drawing a very unique person and the person is a person looking to go all into the 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:23.960 gospel, people that have a call to ministry in their life, people that want to be empowered to go walk 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:30.460 in the things of the spirit. So that's been a main, a main core element. But then also the one, 00:23:30.560 --> 00:23:35.600 the one that's lost, you know, I think about the guy struggling with alcohol, the guy that has a 00:23:35.600 --> 00:23:40.660 marriage issue, the lost. So it's kind of twofold. I feel like it's really drawn to people who want 00:23:40.660 --> 00:23:46.460 more, that want to go pursue the call to ministry in their life, but also the one that doesn't have a 00:23:46.460 --> 00:23:53.040 home. Not plugged in the body of Christ, no church home, lost, downtrodden, and the broken like I was 00:23:53.040 --> 00:23:54.980 many, many years ago. So, yeah. 00:23:56.280 --> 00:24:02.500 Tell me more about that, Michael. Like you, you have a story behind that. So there's a, there's a, 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:10.000 one of my mentors, his name is Rory Vaden. He says, you're perfectly positioned to reach who you used 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:16.080 to be. Does that make sense? And you're, what you're saying right there is, might actually be 00:24:16.080 --> 00:24:19.600 very on the money. Who did you use to be? 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:27.160 Man, a bad dude. So honestly, like I think of Paul and, you know, Paul said, I was the chief of 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:31.580 sinners. And I think about that side of it. You know, for me, I grew up in, I grew up in a Christian 00:24:31.580 --> 00:24:35.760 form of church, you know, grew up going to church twice a week, went to catechism, went to Sunday 00:24:35.760 --> 00:24:41.660 school and had a knowledge of God, but didn't know God and made professional faith at 18, 19 years old 00:24:41.660 --> 00:24:46.700 and just went through all these steps that, you know, church laid out for us. And, but the truth 00:24:46.700 --> 00:24:53.780 was I was, I was, you know, a wreck on the inside and I was smoking, I was drinking and doing things I 00:24:53.780 --> 00:24:59.360 should not be doing. And, you know, I can remember this and this gets kind of deep and intimate, but I 00:24:59.360 --> 00:25:05.300 remember sitting in a strip club with a guy when I was about 22 years old and he grew up in the 00:25:05.300 --> 00:25:10.140 reformed church and I grew up in the Christian reformed church and we went to a party afterwards. 00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:15.460 And he goes, Mike, we're with a bunch of people who didn't grow up in church. And he goes, Mike, 00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:23.240 man, he goes, we're going to be okay. He goes, you know, we grew up right. And that thought is 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:28.120 never, ever left me. It's, it's been like, it's actually wrecked me because the guy is still 00:25:28.120 --> 00:25:33.580 living that way. And he's probably near 50. And I'm like, how many people are living that way? 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:37.220 Like they grew up in the reformed church or in any denominational church and they think they're 00:25:37.220 --> 00:25:41.100 okay because of how they grew up. But the Bible actually says you're worse off than the one who 00:25:41.100 --> 00:25:45.060 doesn't believe because you actually know how things should be. So we're actually in a worse 00:25:45.060 --> 00:25:51.760 position. Yeah. The total deception. So like when I came to Christ at 26, you know, I mean, 00:25:51.760 --> 00:25:56.560 between you and I, I mean, I was dating a girl that worked there and that's where my life was at 00:25:56.560 --> 00:26:02.940 growing up in church. And, and I had a sister who prayed for me. She, she sought after me and she 00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:07.840 literally prayed me into the kingdom. And there came a day at the age of 26 where I called and I was 00:26:07.840 --> 00:26:13.140 broken and I was at a place of surrender. And she goes, I think you're ready. And I'm like, ready for 00:26:13.140 --> 00:26:18.640 what? And she goes, the relationship with Jesus. And she goes, I'm going to pray for you. And I can 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:23.600 remember that moment I looked up and in a moment, man, I received Christ, you know, the power of God 00:26:23.600 --> 00:26:27.780 fell on me. And from that day forward, I opened my Bible for the first time ever. And I had a 00:26:27.780 --> 00:26:33.300 heavenly father speaking to me and he began to lead me, began to guide me. And I began to walk away from 00:26:33.300 --> 00:26:39.320 all those addictions, all those things, that whole lifestyle of sin. And no one had to tell me right 00:26:39.320 --> 00:26:43.220 and wrong. The spirit of God now invaded me and I was able to walk out of that sin. 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:50.720 And, uh, so then coming out of that man and seeing the blindness of, uh, was stuck in the traps of 00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:56.180 religion, you know, um, it's really showed me a lot of things. So, you know, that's a key component 00:26:56.180 --> 00:27:01.820 there, um, for that side of it. So I can relate to people that are stuck in sin because I was once 00:27:01.820 --> 00:27:05.640 stuck in major sin myself, you know? Yeah. You're making me cry. 00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:12.100 Yeah. It's freaking awesome. That's why we do that. That's why we do this thing, man. I'm yeah. 00:27:13.540 --> 00:27:19.640 So what I hear is, uh, I want to go after the Michaels of this world. And then there's this, 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:24.780 uh, call to, uh, leadership, like leaders, young leaders that are looking for, that's what I'm 00:27:24.780 --> 00:27:30.200 hearing. Is that, would that be accurate? Yeah. What do you got? You got any thoughts, Nick? 00:27:31.780 --> 00:27:38.800 No, I think, yeah, I think, I think you nailed it. You know, in, in, in our area, you could, 00:27:39.020 --> 00:27:44.200 you could take a handful of our young people. You know, I, I did jail ministry in Sioux County for 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:50.600 12 years. And most of the guys that I ministered to on, on all of those, uh, all of those times 00:27:50.600 --> 00:27:55.920 grew up in the church and you could have taken probably 75% of them and they would put them in 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.320 Bible quiz and they would be able to answer every Bible question that you could imagine. 00:27:59.940 --> 00:28:07.400 But there was a huge disconnect between what they knew here and real life. And I think so many of 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:13.140 them wanted to know that that God of the Bible is God today. And it's a lot of the people that we 00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:17.980 minister to. It's like they've, they've had this ache on the inside of them, like all of these stories 00:28:17.980 --> 00:28:23.940 that they know all of the miracles that they've read about, uh, the love of Jesus and the compassion 00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:28.700 of Jesus, the power of Jesus. Like they want to know that that only exists 2000 years ago, 00:28:28.700 --> 00:28:34.620 um, or is it for our time today? And I wouldn't say for sure. We don't have all of the answers on 00:28:34.620 --> 00:28:39.800 how that works out. But one thing we do is we believe it. We believe Jesus is Lord today. 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:45.820 And we believe that the spirit of the living God is, is alive and present today. And so we just want 00:28:45.820 --> 00:28:51.960 hungry people to be hungry with us. And then we feed on him together. Um, and I would say that, 00:28:52.040 --> 00:28:57.940 that, yeah, that describes us pretty well. So yeah. Yeah. Amen. That's amazing. 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:06.780 Okay. So, uh, we got a decent picture of, uh, who you want to reach that's lost. 00:29:07.460 --> 00:29:12.400 So here's what I want you to do. You have two audiences and most churches are going to have two 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:18.160 audiences. They're going to have those people that want to be on mission and you want to reach those 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:25.080 people. And then you're going to have the people that you are called to reach the ones that are lost, 00:29:25.080 --> 00:29:32.660 like the previous Michaels of this world. Right. So, um, you need to get very clear on not just the 00:29:32.660 --> 00:29:37.120 demographic, but the psychographic. And I'll explain those two terms. If you don't already know them and 00:29:37.120 --> 00:29:42.040 some of you on the, uh, on listening to the podcast, you may know those words. Demographic 00:29:42.040 --> 00:29:48.200 is where do I live? What job do I have? Well, how much money am I making? How many kids do I have? 00:29:49.340 --> 00:29:56.660 Psychographics is what am I feeling? Like, what are the things that make me, me? Um, looking at my 00:29:56.660 --> 00:30:02.440 patterns in life and going, well, I am this way because I'm most likely feeling like this. 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:09.220 You need to get very clear on both of those, what we would call avatars. These aren't people that you 00:30:09.220 --> 00:30:14.840 necessarily go out and say, we're reaching these two people. Everybody is allowed to come and be a 00:30:14.840 --> 00:30:21.100 part of the community. But when you're looking at limited resources, you need to focus those resources 00:30:21.100 --> 00:30:27.420 to reaching those, to like packaging everything to, uh, resonate with those two audience members. 00:30:27.420 --> 00:30:32.660 Does that make sense? And you're going to actually probably have to split. You're going to have to do 00:30:32.660 --> 00:30:41.540 one message campaign for a specific audience member. And then, uh, look at that. Siri decided to, 00:30:41.540 --> 00:30:46.660 uh, talk on my, on my watch. Sorry about that. So you're going to have to, you're going to have to 00:30:46.660 --> 00:30:52.920 figure out, um, the messaging campaign and we could, we could talk about that, but there's a message 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:58.160 for, uh, the Michaels of this world. And then there's a message for the leaders of this world. 00:30:59.520 --> 00:31:04.780 They're different. And so if you're going to focus on two, which is not easy to do most of the time, 00:31:04.820 --> 00:31:12.660 I would say, um, do one to begin with and then go after the other. Once you've figured that out, 00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:17.620 that's how I would normally do it. So you can make that choice yourself. But at the end of the day, 00:31:17.620 --> 00:31:21.520 what you're saying is I've got, I've got two primaries and there may be a way to connect them. 00:31:21.520 --> 00:31:26.400 And we'll talk about that in a second. So once you've figured out your primary, you need to go, 00:31:26.780 --> 00:31:36.620 how do I make, uh, Michael become a Josh? Does that make sense? Guys, Josh is on the phone call 00:31:36.620 --> 00:31:42.040 with us. He's a young leader. He loves Jesus. He's doing great things. You want to make that 00:31:42.040 --> 00:31:48.780 transition from I'm a heathen. And now I'm so totally on fire for Jesus and the mission that 00:31:48.780 --> 00:31:54.980 I'm going to go do it at all costs. There's a process. It's called discipleship. It's called 00:31:54.980 --> 00:32:00.200 disciple making. Let me, let me, I've got a friend named Brian Phipps. He says this, God did not 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:06.460 can call us to perpetually disciple people. We are not disciples in the perpetual making. 00:32:06.980 --> 00:32:13.180 God called us to make disciples and disciples go. There's a finite amount of time that it takes. 00:32:13.300 --> 00:32:18.140 Jesus spent three years with his people and launched them in the ministry, whether they were ready or not. 00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:23.800 Jesus knew they were ready. They didn't know they were ready. That's the point of a guide. You guys get 00:32:23.800 --> 00:32:30.400 to position yourself as a guide in this process, which means you have to have a process. That process 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.400 is going to look different for every church because that's where you get to contextualize this, right? 00:32:34.900 --> 00:32:39.100 You're going to have a little bit of a different theological bit than my friends in the SBC. 00:32:40.060 --> 00:32:47.420 You know, you, you have reformed tendencies and theological undergirding, but then you have a very, 00:32:47.420 --> 00:32:52.640 a high view of the Holy Spirit and you're charismatic. That's going to look different than my friends 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:57.680 that are, you know, the frozen chosen that are cessationists and don't believe that the Holy 00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:03.600 Spirit is working. It's whatever flavor is for you, but you got to have a process. 00:33:03.940 --> 00:33:10.500 And I'm going to say three to four steps at the most. You may have 25 sub steps, 00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:18.360 but people, when they look at the process can only metabolize three to four. Three is better than four. 00:33:18.360 --> 00:33:25.460 So what, what are the three major leaps, mile markers, if you will, to going from a Michael to 00:33:25.460 --> 00:33:34.620 a Josh or a Michael, old Michael to the new Michael. And so I would say that once you get that down, 00:33:34.620 --> 00:33:41.240 then you need to have a community support structure to launch them in ministry and connect them with 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:47.580 people along the way. That's going to look different for each one of you guys. 00:33:49.780 --> 00:33:55.000 Like for every, every faith community, they're going to have their own like names. The structure 00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:01.480 is going to be the same. Like, you know, you have the mission field, you know, you have people of 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:06.600 peace, you know, you have members, but then you have like what we would call deacons. These are people 00:34:06.600 --> 00:34:11.960 that are serving the church and the mission. And then you're going to have elders. These are people 00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:17.380 that are protecting the community at all costs. Like, but you don't have to call them that you're 00:34:17.380 --> 00:34:22.940 going to have branded your, your style. So, um, to give you an example, like we don't call them 00:34:22.940 --> 00:34:29.700 elders. We call them the city council, you know, at King city. Um, you want to make sure that you 00:34:29.700 --> 00:34:36.320 create your community with your own qualifications, standards, rights, rituals. So you got to have 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:43.480 the community that, uh, surrounds them. And then the next question, the next question is, okay, 00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:51.600 if I look at a, at an old Michael, that would be 25, 26 today. If that's who you're after, that's 00:34:51.600 --> 00:35:00.360 steeped in sin. Where would we go and find them digitally? So, so often in church world, 00:35:00.460 --> 00:35:06.900 we want them to come to us, but on the mission field, we have to go to them. If we were in any 00:35:06.900 --> 00:35:13.040 other country, you wouldn't pay, you, you wouldn't like continue to give missionaries money. They 00:35:13.040 --> 00:35:20.140 didn't get off their butt and go actually find people to engage with them and do the mission. 00:35:21.140 --> 00:35:29.500 The same is true in America and it's true digitally. And so where do we go to meet them 00:35:29.500 --> 00:35:37.020 rather than asking them to come to us? And so think about it. I would love for you guys to, 00:35:37.020 --> 00:35:42.680 to, to, to think about it and like, talk to me. Um, where, where, where do you think you would find 00:35:42.680 --> 00:35:52.940 those people at? Josh, I think this is a question for you. Oh boy. Are you talking, uh, physically 00:35:52.940 --> 00:36:00.660 or digitally or both? Digitally. Digitally. Digitally. Yes. Oh yeah. I would think, um, TikTok for sure 00:36:00.660 --> 00:36:07.540 would be one space to reach. Um, it gets a little interesting. Yeah, for sure. If you're trying to 00:36:07.540 --> 00:36:14.460 like reach into all the world, then yeah, I feel like TikTok, I mean, you get broadcasted all over 00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:22.780 the place. Um, but yeah, then if you're trying to reach a demographic that's more local, you'd have to 00:36:22.780 --> 00:36:30.460 build some sort of a community or reach into a community that's already established to, to get that 00:36:30.460 --> 00:36:37.380 word out, to get the message out. Um, yeah, which is an interesting, I don't know if I really have an 00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:44.420 answer for that one. Where would, where would, uh, the young Michaels of this world, what platform do you 00:36:44.420 --> 00:36:55.780 think is most native to them? Maybe Instagram, maybe. Okay. Instagram, TikTok. Yeah. So the beauty of 00:36:55.780 --> 00:37:00.260 Instagram, I mean, you both said it at the same time. The beauty of Instagram is you can, because of 00:37:00.260 --> 00:37:07.460 Facebook, you can geocache it, right? So if you have a message, you can put a little bit of money behind 00:37:07.460 --> 00:37:16.240 it and make sure that it only goes to a specific geography. And so if you're looking at a local 00:37:16.240 --> 00:37:22.380 church context, which I would say, do that first, saturate. This is what Jesus said. Go into all the 00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:29.940 world to make disciples of all nations, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, 00:37:30.060 --> 00:37:35.180 and to the other most parts of the earth. What did he say? Start where you're at locally and then expand 00:37:35.180 --> 00:37:40.460 from there and then go from there and then go from there. So what I would do is I would focus all of 00:37:40.460 --> 00:37:45.500 all of your efforts, all of your efforts, not on broadcasting to the world, but broadcasting in 00:37:45.500 --> 00:37:53.580 your local geography. And when I say local geography, what's the 50 mile radius that you have? Start 00:37:53.580 --> 00:38:01.340 there. 50 miles. Saturate with it. And then they're going to want to be a part of it. Now, 50 miles is 00:38:01.340 --> 00:38:09.180 beyond the driving disc, the 30 minute driving like cut off, right? So you're going to have to start 00:38:09.180 --> 00:38:16.140 thinking what would a decentralized form of church look like for these people so that they could become 00:38:16.140 --> 00:38:21.020 part of who we are and engaged completely in our mission and our cause and be our DNA. 00:38:22.300 --> 00:38:28.780 But they don't have to be at the building that's good. And what we know about church is if you're 00:38:28.780 --> 00:38:34.700 watching by yourself, that's not church. That's not church at all. In fact, watching anything is not 00:38:34.700 --> 00:38:40.700 actually church. We are the church. And so we're called to grow each other up in the faith. That's 00:38:40.700 --> 00:38:48.300 Ephesians 4:11-16. We're called to build each other up in truth with love, right? And so we've got to 00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:55.340 create a system that's not about just watching me preach. We got to create a system in which we are 00:38:55.340 --> 00:39:03.740 helping each other build each other up in love through truth, right? So we can do that in a 50 mile 00:39:03.740 --> 00:39:09.020 radius. So you can still do the local church Sunday morning service, the Sunday morning gathering, 00:39:09.020 --> 00:39:15.340 maybe invite people that are 50 miles away once a month. But what can you help the 50 mile like the 00:39:15.340 --> 00:39:21.500 group 50 miles away do to be a part of who you are in everything you're doing, even if they just 00:39:21.500 --> 00:39:26.460 stayed in that area. So you got to think through that. But you guys answered the question for platform 00:39:26.460 --> 00:39:31.340 because you started thinking about who's your one, right? Automatically, you said Instagram, 00:39:31.340 --> 00:39:36.940 Instagram before TikTok. You have a bigger audience. I know this about you guys, guys. So those of you 00:39:36.940 --> 00:39:43.260 listening on the podcast, they have a bigger audience on TikTok, but they intuitively already 00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:49.100 knew that Instagram is where they should go. They knew because they started thinking about, well, the 00:39:49.100 --> 00:39:55.180 person we reached, they're actually going to be on Instagram. And so I want you to heed that because 00:39:55.180 --> 00:40:02.300 you already, you'll know, Josh, you are out of anybody right now, because Josh is 22, right? 22? 00:40:02.300 --> 00:40:11.980 Is that correct? 24. 24. 24. Man, he's going to be native to these platforms more than Michael and Nick, 00:40:12.540 --> 00:40:20.220 who are in their 40s. So not that they're slouches by any stretch of the imagination, but Josh is going 00:40:20.220 --> 00:40:26.220 to be able to help navigate some of this stuff on Instagram. Let's be honest. I'm a tech guy. 00:40:26.860 --> 00:40:33.180 I suck at Instagram. I have somebody that does my Instagram. I'm like, I haven't figured it out. I've 00:40:33.180 --> 00:40:38.540 figured TikTok out. I love TikTok, but I'm not good at Instagram for whatever reason. It's probably 00:40:38.540 --> 00:40:46.300 because I've hated pictures my entire life. And yeah. So what I would say there is like now craft 00:40:46.300 --> 00:40:54.940 a message that will resonate with the Michaels. So Michael, think of a message that you needed right 00:40:54.940 --> 00:40:58.620 at that spot where you're at that threshold to make a decision for Jesus. 00:40:59.420 --> 00:40:59.740 Yeah. 00:41:00.220 --> 00:41:05.740 And here's the deal. We also, we always think that they're looking for Jesus. They're not. 00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:14.140 They're looking for a solution to their problem, which is, I need meaning and transformation in my 00:41:14.140 --> 00:41:21.180 life. We know that answer is Jesus. But if you tell them the answer is Jesus, they're gonna be like, 00:41:21.180 --> 00:41:31.420 no, I've done that already. The answer is, I have the answer for the meaning of life. And I can help 00:41:31.420 --> 00:41:37.020 you do that in three easy steps. But if you don't do that, you're gonna end up continuing 00:41:37.020 --> 00:41:41.100 down the road that you're ending, that you're going down now. And let me tell you what the end of the 00:41:41.100 --> 00:41:47.900 road looks like. I know because I've been there. Oh, by the way, my, my, my name is Michael. Let me tell you 00:41:47.900 --> 00:41:56.300 my story. So I didn't come up with this either. This is story brand. So you begin to think of a story 00:41:56.300 --> 00:42:01.900 brand by Donald Miller, for those of you out there, put some of this stuff in the show notes. You gotta be a, 00:42:01.900 --> 00:42:05.420 begin to craft a message. So you've got your one down. 00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:14.940 The message is, what does Michael at 26 need to hear to begin to make a different decision about 00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:21.500 his life? What is he looking for? What's the solution that he's looking for? What's the problem 00:42:22.300 --> 00:42:28.700 that you need to articulate so that he's like, yes, that's exactly my problem. And you can go, 00:42:28.700 --> 00:42:36.860 I've got the answer. And the answer is found in three steps. And I can take you there. You have to 00:42:36.860 --> 00:42:44.060 make the decision to make the decision. So that's called a call to action. So Instagram does not need 00:42:44.060 --> 00:42:51.260 to be about every sermon you ever do. That's, that's the biggest mistake most churches make. 00:42:52.060 --> 00:42:54.220 How many sermon series do you do per year? 00:42:57.260 --> 00:42:58.060 We don't know yet. 00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:05.420 My guess is you, you, you think in sermon series, because that's what we've all thought about. 00:43:06.220 --> 00:43:07.180 Would that be accurate? 00:43:07.180 --> 00:43:09.980 I'm not much for sermon series guy myself. 00:43:09.980 --> 00:43:14.700 No, I don't, I don't think good. Yeah. I don't, I don't think we are. I was in the past, 00:43:14.700 --> 00:43:18.140 but yeah, I don't think we think that way anymore. Yeah. 00:43:18.860 --> 00:43:22.620 That's amazing. What, what made you guys shift off of that? 00:43:24.700 --> 00:43:31.020 Sermon series tend to be very mechanical. And then you're, you're trying to determine what your 00:43:31.020 --> 00:43:35.820 people need rather than listening to the Lord and him sharing what, what you and your people need. 00:43:36.860 --> 00:43:42.860 And so, yeah, it was so nice like before, because I did expository preaching. So I preach through 00:43:43.580 --> 00:43:48.300 books of the Bible verse by verse, and I really love it. And I'm not, I'm not against it. I'm sure 00:43:48.300 --> 00:43:53.500 that'll happen again in the future too. So people know their Bibles, but yeah, it becomes very, 00:43:53.500 --> 00:43:58.860 very mechanical. And it could be that there'd be a tragedy. Thousands of people would die and I'd 00:43:58.860 --> 00:44:05.500 still preach on Jeremiah three had nothing to do with what's going on in the world. And yeah, 00:44:06.620 --> 00:44:10.380 hopefully not going to do that anymore. Not like that anyway. So. 00:44:12.380 --> 00:44:18.460 There is a space for it. Obviously, digging deep in scripture, right, is probably going to be more 00:44:18.460 --> 00:44:23.340 towards a leadership bent, right? So the farther you go down in the process, 00:44:23.340 --> 00:44:27.980 the more and more you're going to need the theology that undergirds everything you do. 00:44:28.700 --> 00:44:34.060 Theology is not the point. It supports the point. The point is the mission, you know? 00:44:34.060 --> 00:44:43.900 And so when you think about your message, what I would suggest is take the message, craft it, 00:44:45.820 --> 00:44:50.540 and then say, this is the message that we want to get out to every person that's like a mic. 00:44:51.420 --> 00:45:03.420 And then I would ask 50 to like work together to brainstorm 52 questions that Michael at 26 years old in the, 00:45:03.980 --> 00:45:11.020 and like completely in sin, but like a feeling horrible, like what would that, 00:45:11.020 --> 00:45:17.660 what would 52 questions that Michael would be asking about life and faith and a new way? 00:45:20.140 --> 00:45:27.820 And then on Instagram reels, that's your, that's your template. That's 52 pieces of content. 00:45:28.460 --> 00:45:34.460 Like every, every week, a different question, you know? And in fact, if you're, you know, reels, 00:45:34.460 --> 00:45:39.260 you probably need to do at least once a day here. And I'll, and I'll say this, and you guys know this, 00:45:39.260 --> 00:45:45.500 but I'm going to say this for the audience, depending on your platform is, is what determines how much time 00:45:45.500 --> 00:45:55.020 and the way you post. And so Facebook is probably once a day. Instagram is probably once to three times 00:45:55.020 --> 00:46:03.420 a day. TikTok is definitely three times a day. YouTube can be once a week. So, but you got to know 00:46:03.420 --> 00:46:07.500 the other answers to the questions to determine what, which one you need to focus on first. 00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:13.420 I'm not saying don't do the other ones. I'm saying, put all of your effort in mastering Instagram 00:46:14.300 --> 00:46:21.420 and then move to a new one and then master that and then move to a new one and then master that. 00:46:21.420 --> 00:46:30.780 So 52 questions, how could you answer it uniquely in a way that would help them? So this also, 00:46:31.340 --> 00:46:37.100 if you really want to get good at your sermons could be crafted around these 52 questions. 00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:45.340 You could take your sermons and film them and then splice them up to become micro content. 00:46:45.340 --> 00:46:52.140 You could, you could do throughout the week to post on Instagram. And so you have a unique anchor 00:46:52.140 --> 00:46:57.580 point. Sure. A lot of churches, every church has this, they have a unique anchor point in the fact 00:46:57.580 --> 00:47:03.100 that their sermons are the content. And so you just can splice them up wherever you need. 00:47:03.100 --> 00:47:09.020 Yeah. So any other questions about that? Am I making sense? Is there points of confusion? 00:47:09.020 --> 00:47:21.660 So I want you to have some handles on what, what are good next steps to work on? 00:47:21.660 --> 00:47:30.300 Avatar, build a, an avatar template and I will send you mine to show you what I'm talking about. 00:47:32.060 --> 00:47:37.420 And then I want you to do that for both audiences because they're going to look very different. 00:47:37.420 --> 00:47:42.780 My guess is your website infrastructure will end up being two websites. There'll be one for leaders 00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:48.140 and one for, uh, one for non leaders, for people that are just finding Jesus. 00:47:48.940 --> 00:47:54.700 By the way, um, most churches are going to have that problem because they need both. 00:47:54.700 --> 00:47:57.980 So that's a challenge, but it can be done. 00:47:58.940 --> 00:48:04.460 So, and we can talk about this offline as we continue, but, um, yeah. 00:48:04.460 --> 00:48:10.700 So build your avatars and build a story, an avatar story of who this person really is. 00:48:12.380 --> 00:48:18.220 Demographics and psychographics. I want to know, I want to know, uh, who they are. I want to know 00:48:18.220 --> 00:48:23.260 how old they are. I want to know, uh, where they go to work. I want to know what they're feeling, 00:48:24.300 --> 00:48:29.020 what their typical weekend looks like. I want to know those things because those things give you 00:48:29.020 --> 00:48:33.820 information to go, oh, this is the real person we're looking at. And it needs to be a team effort, 00:48:33.820 --> 00:48:40.220 not just you as a leader. You need to do this as a team to figure out, because everybody needs to be 00:48:40.220 --> 00:48:48.780 on board with who we're reaching. You kind of need to be rude about it. Like not rude in the fact 00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:54.060 that I, I don't care about you and I'm arrogant, but like we're putting our foot down. This is a 00:48:54.060 --> 00:49:00.620 boundary. This is super, this is a super focus for us. We're not, we're not stopping. We are, we are 00:49:00.620 --> 00:49:06.780 totally locked in to who we're reaching because that's, that's going to be, that's going to be a 00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:11.340 challenge for anybody in a church community because the biggest question when you do these types of 00:49:11.340 --> 00:49:15.820 things is, well, does that mean I don't have a place? No, no, no, no, no, no. You do have a place. 00:49:16.460 --> 00:49:21.740 Your place is to help us reach that person. And let me teach you how to do that. There's still 00:49:21.740 --> 00:49:26.140 a process for leadership development, you know? Yeah, amen. 00:49:27.500 --> 00:49:33.900 So avatar building and then beginning to write the 52 questions that that person needs answered. 00:49:34.780 --> 00:49:39.740 That will give you the pathway to decide what your content should look like. 00:49:40.540 --> 00:49:40.700 Yeah. 00:49:42.460 --> 00:49:43.020 That's good. 00:49:43.020 --> 00:49:47.580 And it's solidified around a centralized message. 00:49:48.700 --> 00:49:50.300 So that's the three. 00:49:51.420 --> 00:49:58.220 Okay. So the avatar, what is the message that avatar needs to hear that solves the problem that 00:49:58.220 --> 00:50:02.460 they feel like they have? You already know the answer. The answer is Jesus. 00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:08.140 That's not the answer they're looking for. That's the, that's the stumbling stone they're 00:50:08.140 --> 00:50:13.100 going to fall over in the process. You're guiding them to fall over that stone. 00:50:15.980 --> 00:50:22.540 And then the process, what's a three-step process to get Michael to Michael? 00:50:24.220 --> 00:50:30.380 And then your 52 questions to guide them along the way. Avatar, message, 00:50:32.540 --> 00:50:35.260 process, 52 questions. 00:50:37.260 --> 00:50:46.300 That will begin to help you build a plan to begin to reach out on Instagram to know what you're doing. 00:50:46.700 --> 00:50:51.420 That's the beginning of the process. What we just laid out right there. That's not the whole kid 00:50:51.420 --> 00:50:56.940 caboodle. I know there's, there's website infrastructure that's got to change if you do this. 00:50:57.260 --> 00:51:04.060 I know that you're, you could, if you want to get really crazy, you could change and design your entire 00:51:04.060 --> 00:51:09.340 church service around this. Like what does the Michael need? Maybe it doesn't, maybe he doesn't need 00:51:09.340 --> 00:51:15.980 what we've always done. Maybe get that focused. Like the sky's the limit on how you design this thing 00:51:15.980 --> 00:51:23.660 and implement it. So there's a lot more steps along the way. Um, obviously with the digital component, 00:51:23.660 --> 00:51:30.860 like, um, you need a call to action to move them from Instagram into your community. So how do we do 00:51:30.860 --> 00:51:35.980 that? There's a process for that, but these top steps will get you started. 00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:43.020 I would love to hear comments before as we, as we end comments, thoughts. 00:51:45.980 --> 00:51:50.540 Yeah, that's great. Um, great, you know, thought building and just kind of getting a target that 00:51:50.540 --> 00:51:55.500 you're aiming at and, uh, yeah, people that you're going to reach. Cause it's like, that's the goal 00:51:55.500 --> 00:52:01.980 of every church is to reach the people who don't know Jesus and getting a strategy to, uh, reach them. 00:52:01.980 --> 00:52:05.580 So many times you'll see a church start and you just get church people hopping from one church to 00:52:05.580 --> 00:52:10.140 another, but it's always been my dream to actually build a body that is people that come from the 00:52:10.140 --> 00:52:15.740 world and, uh, people that are converted out of, you know, lifestyles of immorality and coming into 00:52:15.740 --> 00:52:22.460 the grace of God. So it's like, yeah, really designing, uh, and crafting a plan to reach those people, 00:52:22.460 --> 00:52:30.140 I think is a key component. That's awesome. Love it. Cool. Nick, Josh, what are you guys thinking? 00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:35.660 Well, I loved that you brought up, uh, where Paul was talking about becoming all things to all men 00:52:35.660 --> 00:52:41.420 so that he might by all means save some. And then thinking about, yeah, what would Paul 00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:47.820 take that to mean in our day and age? Um, yeah, I don't know that I've, I mean, 00:52:47.820 --> 00:52:52.780 I've maybe thought of it in passing, but yeah, that's a such a good question. What tools would he 00:52:52.780 --> 00:53:00.540 utilize? How would he talk? Um, yeah, what, what kinds of gatherings would he have? Yeah. Cause we, 00:53:00.540 --> 00:53:06.060 we took what they were had contextualized for their ministry. And then we try to replicate 00:53:06.060 --> 00:53:11.100 that exactly their Jewish custom or their Gentile custom or whatever. And so like, well, 00:53:11.100 --> 00:53:16.700 what would the church look like today? And then keeping, keeping to the truth of the word, 00:53:16.700 --> 00:53:21.100 preaching the whole counsel of God. But yeah, what would the structures and things look like? 00:53:21.100 --> 00:53:23.420 So that's some good stuff to dream about. 00:53:23.420 --> 00:53:29.580 Yeah, absolutely. That's how I got started in this. I'm like, how would Paul do it if he was alive 00:53:29.580 --> 00:53:33.900 today? Well, one thing I can tell you for a fact, he would not be writing letters. 00:53:33.900 --> 00:53:39.660 He's going to be like, whoa, wait a minute, we can do film and I can talk to you instantaneously. 00:53:40.620 --> 00:53:42.380 Shoot, I'm not doing this anymore. 00:53:44.380 --> 00:53:49.420 Like Paul was a pragmatist, very much so. Pragmatist for the mission of God. 00:53:49.420 --> 00:53:53.980 So he would do whatever it takes to work to do, to accomplish the mission. 00:53:54.860 --> 00:53:55.820 Josh, what do you got, man? 00:53:57.020 --> 00:54:03.420 Yeah, I love just thinking about the questions. And even with, I think my mind is automatically 00:54:03.420 --> 00:54:07.980 going to the questions that people who have not experienced that true relationship, 00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:14.060 encounter with the Holy Spirit would be thinking like, I already have Jesus. But even in the way 00:54:14.060 --> 00:54:19.660 that you're speaking about, don't tell them it's Jesus right away. Just tell them their problem, 00:54:19.660 --> 00:54:24.780 which they already know, and then give them the solutions, which are in the word, and they are 00:54:24.780 --> 00:54:33.100 Jesus. But don't brand it that way. Get them behind the door of that mind where they're just already 00:54:33.100 --> 00:54:39.180 caught up and already have the answer, but show them and take them past that problem into the solution. 00:54:39.740 --> 00:54:45.500 And then the realization of that will be Jesus in the end. But just to think about those questions, 00:54:45.500 --> 00:54:48.940 like they're already coming to my mind, the questions that people are asking, like, 00:54:49.340 --> 00:54:55.500 why would I need the Holy Spirit? Don't I already have the Holy Spirit? Like, what are all these other 00:54:55.500 --> 00:54:59.660 things that you guys are talking about that I've never heard of? And so those are things that are 00:54:59.660 --> 00:55:04.220 starting to roll around in my head. Yeah, absolutely. So for those of you that might be 00:55:04.220 --> 00:55:10.940 listening that I go, I don't know if I'm comfortable with what he just said. So I got this theologically. 00:55:11.740 --> 00:55:18.620 Jesus went to Peter and told him to like, you know, cast the net on the other side. And they ended up 00:55:18.620 --> 00:55:23.100 like almost breaking their nets and sinking their boats with how many fish. And Peter is like, 00:55:23.100 --> 00:55:29.580 oh my gosh, this is crazy. And Jesus doesn't tell him, hey, you need to get your life right with God. 00:55:29.580 --> 00:55:35.260 No. What does he do? He says, follow me, and you'll become fishers of men. 00:55:37.260 --> 00:55:38.060 What does that mean? 00:55:41.020 --> 00:55:47.340 Jesus knew what he was doing. He was telling you, I'm going to transform you from a fisherman to a 00:55:47.340 --> 00:55:56.860 fisher of men. I have the pathway. Oh, by the way, along the way, your relationship with God is going to 00:55:56.860 --> 00:56:03.660 take on a whole new level. I know. And later on, you will too. But that's not how he started. He 00:56:03.660 --> 00:56:09.500 started with a marketing campaign right straight to Peter. Yeah. Peter was his one. 00:56:11.420 --> 00:56:14.860 So that's awesome. That's good, man. Yeah, man. 00:56:14.860 --> 00:56:19.900 He was inviting him along on a journey that was exciting. You know, you think about that, 00:56:19.900 --> 00:56:25.580 like he, uh, he filled their nets and it was like, you know, it wasn't, hey, get on your knees, 00:56:25.580 --> 00:56:30.380 worship me, bow down to me, submit to me. It was like, he was inviting them on a journey that was 00:56:30.380 --> 00:56:34.780 exciting. He filled their nets with fish. That's such a good point, man. And they're excited about 00:56:34.780 --> 00:56:38.220 where life was going. They're like, I'm going to follow this guy because this guy is supernatural. 00:56:38.700 --> 00:56:42.380 Yeah. Yeah, we can do that too. Yeah. 00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:49.020 The revelation of, of Peter later that Jesus even says, this doesn't come from flesh and blood, 00:56:49.020 --> 00:56:54.840 the revelation that you are the Christ, the son of God, that is the rock that the church, 00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:00.700 the ecclesia is now built on. And so it wasn't like Peter saw that right away, but through his 00:57:00.700 --> 00:57:05.900 relationship, through Christ, walking with him, seeing all the things, Jesus asked him, who am I to 00:57:05.900 --> 00:57:10.980 you? You are the Christ, the son of God. But that took revelation. That's a relationship with Jesus 00:57:10.980 --> 00:57:15.980 to get to that point. But on that point, on that foundation is where the church stands. 00:57:16.780 --> 00:57:18.500 Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah. 00:57:18.680 --> 00:57:22.920 Chester, if you got a minute here, do we got one minute for a quick thought? 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:24.100 Yeah. 00:57:25.380 --> 00:57:30.640 I had a dream last night. It was pretty interesting. I feel like it relates to this conversation, 00:57:30.640 --> 00:57:40.000 but in the dream, my buddy Jay was leading me down. It was like a rock cliff built along a ledge, like a 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:46.640 mountain. And there was a secret passageway to get down in this cliff. And underneath, inside this 00:57:46.640 --> 00:57:52.400 cliff, there's offices, buildings, call lines, and they're all people calling in with problems, whether 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:59.400 it was sex trafficking, sexual addiction, whether it was alcoholism. And we would go down there and meet 00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:04.520 the needs. Well, Jay means victory for the people. And the Bible says, on this rock, I'll build my 00:58:04.520 --> 00:58:08.780 church in the gates of hell, shall not prevail against it. So it's like the Lord is establishing 00:58:08.780 --> 00:58:13.520 a church, right? That's going to be a call center for the lost, right? And it's almost underground. 00:58:13.700 --> 00:58:18.200 You're not seeing it no more. And, but it's victory for the people. Like people are going to win in the 00:58:18.200 --> 00:58:23.940 coming days through building their house on the rock, on the rock of Jesus Christ. So anyway, 00:58:23.940 --> 00:58:30.540 it was a dream, a strategy on how to, so it all goes together, man, but pretty cool revelation for 00:58:30.540 --> 00:58:36.440 me last night. That is awesome, man. That's really cool. That's really cool. Where can people find you 00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:44.360 online? Yeah. Website's going to be activationchurch.life. 00:58:45.060 --> 00:58:51.760 Okay. Um, that's going to be the web. Yep. Activationchurch.life. And then, uh, you know, 00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:57.920 online, my name is Michael DeYoung. I love Facebook, like Instagram too, but Josh has 00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:03.360 different. Yeah. You got a podcast too. Yeah. I just started a podcast called the Simple Truth 00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:12.040 Podcast. Nice. Yeah. So I'm excited about that. Awesome. Well, I'm excited to see what God does 00:59:12.040 --> 00:59:18.480 through your guys' ministry. And then I, it would be really cool to win all of Iowa for Jesus. Wouldn't 00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:27.080 it? Hallelujah. That's the, that's the goal. That's the goal. So man, I had a lot of fun. Hopefully 00:59:27.080 --> 00:59:33.120 this was helpful. Like I, I enjoy doing this and helping churches win. So. 00:59:34.700 --> 00:59:41.300 Hey man, thank you so much. A lot of good stuff. Thank you. Awesome. Hey, that was a lot of fun. 00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:46.980 I loved hanging out with Michael and his team. 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And if you have taken a spiritual gifts assessment, there's a 95% chance you took Bruce's. 01:01:20.340 --> 01:01:21.400 So take a listen. 01:01:22.120 --> 01:01:28.600 Because I started in youth ministry years ago, loved, uh, loved that. And, uh, it always fascinated 01:01:28.600 --> 01:01:33.820 me how people would use language like, um, oh, you know, the youth, they're the church of tomorrow. 01:01:34.160 --> 01:01:34.720 What do you guys got? 01:01:34.720 --> 01:01:40.940 It just seemed very, um, you know, condescending, frankly, you know what I mean? And, uh, I'm thinking, 01:01:40.940 --> 01:01:46.480 well, if they love Jesus and they have the Holy Spirit, are they not the church of today? Um, 01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:51.360 why are we kind of patting them on the head and putting them off, you know, until they become an 01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:55.600 adult or, you know, grow up, get married, have a house, something like that. It just seemed 01:01:55.600 --> 01:01:57.440 kind of strange to me. 01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:06.100 You can beat digital disorientation, but it takes imagination to innovate. You have the spark of 01:02:06.100 --> 01:02:13.280 divine creativity your organization needs. I know it isn't cool to feel disrupted, but I believe God 01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:21.240 has the answer to move you from disrupted to disruptive. All you have to do is move out in faith 01:02:21.240 --> 01:02:28.960 and try something new. So thank you for listening to this episode of the Chesley Lunday experience. 01:02:29.460 --> 01:02:30.500 We'll see you next time. 01:02:31.040 --> 01:02:35.500 And, and we're back. Thank you, Michael DeYoung for, for taking a part and even being a part of 01:02:35.500 --> 01:02:40.440 the church digital. Michael's getting some double dip here, uh, with the Chesley Lunday experience and 01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:47.060 also here on the church digital podcast. So Chesley, as you're listening to this now, uh, for the second 01:02:47.060 --> 01:02:51.900 time or the third time or the fifth time. And I know how podcasts go when you're the creator. Hey, 01:02:52.180 --> 01:02:55.160 like what were some, what are some takeaways? What's something that maybe stood out to you from 01:02:55.160 --> 01:02:55.740 the conversation? 01:02:56.240 --> 01:03:03.120 Well, I love Michael and his team's, um, vision. Like that's first off, they have a passion for it. 01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:09.800 They realized very quickly who their one was. And if you listen to Michael's story, like 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:16.200 in a strip club, having a spiritual conversation with another heathen, I mean, that's a big deal, 01:03:16.200 --> 01:03:20.960 right. And you're hearing the fact that, Hey, I'm not nearly as good as I need to be. And the fact 01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:27.840 that Michael knows that the people that he's after are a lot like he used to be. And so they were 01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:35.220 clear about that. They knew who their audience was. And it's not like they are shunning anybody else 01:03:35.220 --> 01:03:40.020 that wants to be a part of their church. They're just realizing they have a missionary zeal for somebody 01:03:40.020 --> 01:03:44.560 that is in the situation that Michael found himself in all those years ago. 01:03:44.780 --> 01:03:50.540 And so I love that part. The other piece of this is obviously I always get this question 01:03:50.540 --> 01:03:56.420 first is what platform should we be focused on? And the answer is that's not the question you start 01:03:56.420 --> 01:04:03.420 with. You know, this Jeff, um, we, we should be asking ourselves better questions. Who is God 01:04:03.420 --> 01:04:09.000 calling us to serve? What is our message? And we, when we know the person we're going to serve, 01:04:09.120 --> 01:04:16.060 it's better to look at where are they at? We do this naturally as a missionary in our context where 01:04:16.060 --> 01:04:19.700 we live, work, learn, or play. Hey, yeah. You know, I love that. Chesley, when we talked about that, 01:04:19.740 --> 01:04:25.460 right, it was like at Stadia in the cohort with the planting, it was like churches having ones and 01:04:25.460 --> 01:04:31.060 going after specific ones, right? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Jesus has a hundred sheep. He talks about it, 01:04:31.060 --> 01:04:37.140 right? And the 99 of them are fine. One of them is going off, wandering off or alone in the wilderness. 01:04:37.140 --> 01:04:43.260 And he's going to be the good shepherd to go after that lost one. Every church should have a 01:04:43.260 --> 01:04:50.300 missionary zeal. They should, they should know who they're going after there. You're not called or 01:04:50.300 --> 01:04:58.260 uniquely gifted to go after everyone. Your community has a specific someone that God has wired genetically in 01:04:58.260 --> 01:05:05.140 your church's DNA to reach. And you should be focusing on that. Your community as a whole should 01:05:05.140 --> 01:05:11.500 be rallying around that. And only when you know that should you begin to think about your message. 01:05:11.940 --> 01:05:18.320 Now, your message is the thing that will resonate with your one. What is the way to communicate the 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:24.380 gospel story to the one that will resonate with them? People don't buy Jesus at the beginning. 01:05:24.380 --> 01:05:30.620 They buy the solutions to their problems. We all know though, that the solution to their problem is 01:05:30.620 --> 01:05:36.900 Jesus. Jesus did this with Peter. They're in the middle of a lake. They have fished all night, hadn't 01:05:36.900 --> 01:05:43.040 seen it. Peter is coming in and Jesus says, hey, go fishing again. And he's like, well, we haven't caught 01:05:43.040 --> 01:05:48.640 anything. And he's like, but I know who you are. So I'll go do it. Got caught the fish. It was then that 01:05:48.640 --> 01:05:54.160 Jesus said, I'm going to make you fishers of men. He said, you've been a fisherman, but now I'm going 01:05:54.160 --> 01:06:01.240 to make you fishers of men. There was a transformation story Jesus was inviting Peter to. And Jesus knew the 01:06:01.240 --> 01:06:08.360 solution to his problem was him. And yet Peter was going to find that out along the way. So your message 01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:16.120 has to resonate to your one. And then the question becomes, what platform is your one on? That's when 01:06:16.120 --> 01:06:21.660 we answer that question. Love it. Such wisdom right there. Don't just go with the blanket. Oh, 01:06:21.740 --> 01:06:28.140 we're on Facebook. Oh, we're on YouTube. But really it comes down to honing in on the one and where the 01:06:28.140 --> 01:06:34.240 one is and what platforms you should be using for that. So, hey, this is a great conversation. Once 01:06:34.240 --> 01:06:41.920 again, Chesley Lunday experience. The link is in the show notes. Feel free to go check that out and 01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:48.900 subscribe to that. Are you Monday as well? When do you normally publish? Yeah. Yeah. I'm Monday. Yep. 01:06:49.060 --> 01:06:53.080 Mondays. Cool. Yeah. Mondays. Monday's a great day. I'm not saying he's trying to steal some of my 01:06:53.080 --> 01:06:59.120 thunder, but it's okay. Go check him out and dig into that. We can. No, no. That's the beauty of 01:06:59.120 --> 01:07:04.000 podcasts. You don't have to. You can pick a day and listen to them all at the same time, 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:07.380 or you can listen to them. I'm going to listen to this one on Monday, this one on Tuesday. 01:07:08.600 --> 01:07:13.620 Listen four months from now. It's okay. We'll play nice. Four months from now. Yeah. I still, 01:07:14.160 --> 01:07:21.400 the top listened episode for me is still Daniel Heron talking about Robloxian Christians. Like he is 01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:28.200 like, I'm not serious, like eight times more listened to than every other podcast that I've got. And that 01:07:28.200 --> 01:07:33.720 was like three years ago. Like it's like, I can't believe people are still listening to that thing. 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:39.380 But it is. And evidently there's a need for like metaverse and Robloxian churches because 01:07:39.380 --> 01:07:44.200 evidently people are looking for that. But anyway, we're going to land the plane. Hey, this is a 01:07:44.200 --> 01:07:51.140 great, great podcast. Go check out the Chesley Lunday Experience subscription link in the show notes. 01:07:51.140 --> 01:07:55.700 And check out FAM while you're there in the show notes as well. Hey, Chesley, as we're landing the 01:07:55.700 --> 01:08:12.280 plane, any closing thoughts? Yes. Join us on fam.digitalchurch.network. We would love to see you there. We know you need family. We know you need prayer. We know you need training for the next era of church. We would love to help you do that. 01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:36.860 Maybe we need a shorter vanity URL to join FAM. Like that's long. We got, we'll offline that conversation, but that's a conversation for another day. Hey, this is Jeff with the Church Digital, Digital Church Network, and Chesley for the Church Digital, Digital Church Network, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Man, it's a bunch of, it's a fun day right now to be doing digital ministry. This is great. But we're going to land the plane. We're going to wrap up. Thanks for joining the podcast here. We'll see you next time on the show. Y'all have a good one.