WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.840 Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. Through this podcast, we'll talk about the technological 00:00:04.840 --> 00:00:10.920 innovations within the church. But more than tech for tech itself, we'll address deeper questions. 00:00:11.760 --> 00:00:16.640 Is disciple making possible digitally? How should we approach the digital mission field? 00:00:17.380 --> 00:00:22.440 Can a biblically grounded church operate in digital space? Oh, and where does the metaverse 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:27.920 fit into all this? Whether you're a big or small church, an established church, or a startup church 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:33.840 plant. The Church Digital's goal is to help churches like yours learn to be a multiplying church, 00:00:34.260 --> 00:00:40.460 digitally and physically. Our heart? That churches like yours will discover a newfound focus on 00:00:40.460 --> 00:00:46.800 disciple making that will revolutionize your church. And now, here's your host, Jeff Reed. 00:00:47.340 --> 00:00:53.420 Hey, I'm on Twitch. I don't know what I'm doing. This is all weird. Hey, everybody. Jeff Reed here 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:59.260 with the Church Digital and Digital Church Network. And I am in the middle of an experiment trying to 00:00:59.260 --> 00:01:06.100 learn how to do Twitch. And so we're streaming this podcast interview. We're streaming this interview 00:01:06.100 --> 00:01:10.280 live right now on Twitch. We're going to bring on the guests. We're going to talk about Twitch. We're 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:15.740 going to talk about nerds and nerd culture and all sorts of fun stuff here in a minute. And I got to 00:01:15.740 --> 00:01:21.520 tell you, I am a little bit out of my comfort zone, but that's cool. I'm learning as we're going along 00:01:21.520 --> 00:01:26.900 here. And so it's a pleasure to be with you. We're going to be engaging with the chat. I'm seeing Flatcap 00:01:26.900 --> 00:01:33.020 in there right now. How are you doing, Flatcap? And excited to hopefully see some others jump in as 00:01:33.020 --> 00:01:39.520 we're going. But we're going to talk some about nerd culture. I'm on this kick right now, season three, 00:01:39.740 --> 00:01:45.120 season four of the Church Digital podcast. Sorry, Twitchers, but we're doing this as podcasts as well. 00:01:45.620 --> 00:01:54.740 And so we're talking about Gamer Church, Jesus, Gamers and Church. How can we do unique things 00:01:54.740 --> 00:02:01.740 using this and what's already happening in this space to reach the 3 billion plus gamers that are 00:02:01.740 --> 00:02:08.380 currently in the world today? And that's not even talking about the nerd culture. Chino Mage is in 00:02:08.380 --> 00:02:17.240 here as well. I am not a gamer. I would not qualify myself as a gamer. Maybe I play a little Pokemon Go 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:21.860 with the kids. But the last relevant game, we've talked about this for me personally, was like, 00:02:21.900 --> 00:02:30.440 I don't know, GoldenEye on Nintendo 64. I'm kind of an old school. Sorry. I even have a Nintendo 8-bit 00:02:30.440 --> 00:02:38.020 controller thing. Literally on my desk. I will sometimes play the 8-bit Nintendo during my lunch 00:02:38.020 --> 00:02:43.960 break. Not on Twitch. Maybe I should start. But hey, what I want to do is let's start to bring some 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:48.620 people in. We're going to really do an interview here, hanging out with this. And so let's go ahead 00:02:48.620 --> 00:02:54.560 and bring Bubba into the conversation. Oh, magically, Andy Mage comes as well. Like, boom. 00:02:55.060 --> 00:03:01.940 It's all serious here. It's great to see you guys. We did the thing, man. We're doing Twitch. This is 00:03:01.940 --> 00:03:07.520 is Twitchers. Are you allowed to say Twitchers? Like, is that the thing? Or is that too, like, 00:03:07.580 --> 00:03:10.960 Last of Us? I don't know what I'm doing here. You tell me. What should I be saying? Is it not 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:16.740 Twitchers? Oh, no. No, no. Absolutely nobody is policing it. You just use whatever terminology you 00:03:16.740 --> 00:03:20.780 want. That has been proven throughout history. They got better things to do. Yes. 100%. 00:03:20.780 --> 00:03:28.880 So, I mean, let me just reiterate up front. I sent an email out to the entire The Church 00:03:28.880 --> 00:03:36.140 Digital Database. We've got a bunch of people who have no understanding of what Twitch is. 00:03:36.580 --> 00:03:41.000 I consider myself one of them. Like, I'm not going to be this guy. Oh, I know what I'm doing. I got 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:48.400 no clue. And so, like, for a lot of people in this, listening to the podcast, we want to start to 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:53.680 expose by doing this series on Twitch every Thursday, 3 p.m. Eastern. We want to start 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:58.620 to expose some people that maybe aren't aware of what church is and the influence that Twitch can 00:03:58.620 --> 00:04:03.860 have. We want to start to bring some awareness to that and maybe even start to talk about how 00:04:03.860 --> 00:04:12.960 churches can utilize Twitch. And so, you know, Chino, Andy, Andy Mage is on here now, and he's the 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:18.240 he's the resourcing director for Digital Church Network. I don't know that I've said that publicly 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:20.860 on the podcast before, and so it's great to have him. 00:04:20.860 --> 00:04:22.500 I didn't know it. There you go, Bubba. Welcome. 00:04:22.640 --> 00:04:28.380 Yeah. Yeah. And so, we're going to get into Bubba for a second, a second, because I really want to 00:04:28.380 --> 00:04:36.600 get into Love Thy Nerd and what's involved with that. Chino, Andy, 30 seconds, one minute. Like, 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:44.120 what's the tech that's involved with this? How is this happening right now? What are we actually 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:50.520 doing? Back in the 1980s, a guy named Al Gore invented the internet and we have... No. 00:04:50.520 --> 00:04:57.580 I deserve that. I deserve that. Thank you. So, Twitch is this amazing platform that actually 00:04:57.580 --> 00:05:05.260 started as something called JustinTV. It was a live streaming platform that was ubiquitous with 00:05:05.260 --> 00:05:12.740 a lot of sports personalities. And JustinTV ended up kind of getting into some illicit things and 00:05:12.740 --> 00:05:18.960 Twitch actually bought them out. And Twitch immediately started focusing on gamers. And Twitch is primarily 00:05:18.960 --> 00:05:28.660 where gamers hang out. It was almost all Let's Plays. So, people trying to grasp the idea of 00:05:28.660 --> 00:05:34.520 watching other people play video games was this monumental thing. It has become kind of a 00:05:34.520 --> 00:05:41.940 zeitgeist in culture now. But Twitch has actually evolved over the last probably, I don't know what, 00:05:42.020 --> 00:05:50.000 four or five years, Bubba, into becoming more of a just chatting sort of live stream. Let's set a camera 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:57.240 up. Let's talk to a chat. And let's put some fancy lights and do weird things. Let's throw pies at 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:06.340 people. And now we have Twitch. And so, we have this weird clash of a fully formed gamer culture. And now, 00:06:06.340 --> 00:06:15.140 kind of this other culture that are mashing and turning into this mutated form of awesome. 00:06:15.140 --> 00:06:22.040 Yeah, I think as it becomes more accessible, it grows. And when you're starting out, you had people that were 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:32.860 literally just pointing camcorders at TVs and stuff like that. And now we have everything, overlays and all sorts of good stuff. So, it's gnarly. 00:06:32.860 --> 00:06:33.280 Yeah. 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:43.680 Yeah. So, Flatcap actually called it out. Evidently, you have to have a high-level intelligence to be a Twitcher. Because I have 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:49.200 no idea what zeitgeist means. Like, that is at a whole other world right now for me. 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:51.400 You got to Google things as people are saying. 00:06:51.400 --> 00:06:54.920 You are operating at a much higher realm. 00:06:55.120 --> 00:07:05.940 So, the Twitch way is you have two screens going plus your camera going. And so, on this screen, I've got my live thing. But then, on this screen, I have Google. Because things happen. 00:07:05.940 --> 00:07:08.580 And I need to immediately make sure I know what's going on. 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:11.120 Yes, I can see that. 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:11.680 Yes. 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:21.080 I want to tell my one Twitch story publicly right now. And then, Bubba, I want to get into this. We're going to go to town. I have one Twitch story for me personally. 00:07:22.280 --> 00:07:33.100 This is back a couple of years ago. I was checking out Mark. I was helping Mark launch Lux through Stadia. I'm trying to learn some of this stuff. 00:07:33.100 --> 00:07:43.700 And so, I got moved to jump on Twitch and start following somebody. And so, I jumped on. And this is back when... I don't remember what it's called. 00:07:43.700 --> 00:07:48.820 But it was like the GameStop, the stock thing that was happening with the GameStop a few years ago. 00:07:48.820 --> 00:07:50.100 Oh, yeah. The Stonks. 00:07:50.100 --> 00:07:58.900 Yeah. So, it was all in the middle of that. And so, all these gamer guys were geeking out on Twitch because they were making all this money and making all this noise about it. 00:07:58.900 --> 00:08:10.500 And I switched over to this girl. And so, I started watching this girl. And I mean, she was cute. She's 20-something. And so, she starts talking. 00:08:10.500 --> 00:08:22.060 And evidently, she had just finished a surgery, which I thought was weird. And then, I found out she just recently had a boob job, which I thought was weird that she was talking about that on Twitch. 00:08:22.060 --> 00:08:23.980 And then, she started talking about her fans and followers. 00:08:23.980 --> 00:08:24.980 Uh-oh. 00:08:24.980 --> 00:08:27.980 And that's when I discovered that I've been watching a porn star for the past hour and a half. 00:08:27.980 --> 00:08:28.980 Oh. 00:08:28.980 --> 00:08:28.980 Yes, sir. 00:08:28.980 --> 00:08:29.980 Yes, sir. 00:08:29.980 --> 00:08:30.980 Welcome to Twitch, Jeff. Welcome to Twitch. 00:08:30.980 --> 00:08:31.980 Welcome to Twitch. 00:08:31.980 --> 00:08:32.980 Yeah. 00:08:32.980 --> 00:08:33.980 At that moment... 00:08:33.980 --> 00:08:34.980 As with any other social... 00:08:34.980 --> 00:08:35.980 Mark will back me up. 00:08:35.980 --> 00:08:36.980 Yeah. 00:08:36.980 --> 00:08:43.980 Mark will back me up. Sorry. I literally texted Mark and confessed, "Dude, I've just been watching a porn star." You were the pastor for me in this moment. 00:08:43.980 --> 00:08:52.980 I've literally been watching a porn star while I'm working. I need to confess it to somebody. Probably tell my wife at some point. But you're the guy right now. 00:08:52.980 --> 00:08:57.980 I would say that's a tale as old as time, but I just don't think that it is, man. 00:08:57.980 --> 00:09:07.980 But what it is, is when you launch onto any social media platform, period, there is a formula that it's trying to feed you. 00:09:07.980 --> 00:09:19.980 Like, "Hey, you're a man. This is the bracket you've been into. Here's the first swath of things that I'm going to give you." And then, you have to train the algorithm. Al Gore's rhythm, as Sheena was talking about. 00:09:19.980 --> 00:09:28.980 You've got to train that thing to give you what you actually want to see. But that starting point is actually pretty common. 00:09:28.980 --> 00:09:37.980 I'll say, I tweeted this out today. I did beat TikTok, though. TikTok, when I first started TikTok, this was, what, two years ago when it became huge? 00:09:37.980 --> 00:09:44.980 Three years ago. And I'm on TikTok. I am a red-belted American. I like watching TikTok. But I like watching TikTok for two things. 00:09:44.980 --> 00:09:50.980 I like watching it for food. And I like watching it for dogs. And then I'll throw sports in there occasionally, too. 00:09:50.980 --> 00:09:53.980 Well, I recorded this. The holy trinity of TikTok. 00:09:53.980 --> 00:09:55.980 Exactly. Dogs, food, sports. Yeah. 00:09:55.980 --> 00:10:05.980 I have got to the point where, and I recorded this and I posted this, three out of every four of my TikToks are dogs now. 00:10:05.980 --> 00:10:14.980 I win. Like, I won. And then the other one is an ad. Yeah. So, like, I won. I think that was, I beat the final boss. 00:10:14.980 --> 00:10:20.980 But the ad, the ad, Andy, because I saw that. I saw that. The ad was Kevin Bacon. 00:10:20.980 --> 00:10:22.980 It was Kevin Bacon. I know. So, I think. 00:10:22.980 --> 00:10:28.980 It's like, you got three dogs and bacon. Like, that is, that's the best you can have. 00:10:28.980 --> 00:10:32.980 Guys, I think I need to just go throw my phone out a window now. 00:10:32.980 --> 00:10:34.980 You're retired. Yeah. 00:10:34.980 --> 00:10:37.980 You're done. Hang it up. Life doesn't get better than three dogs and bacon. 00:10:37.980 --> 00:10:38.980 And I'm out. 00:10:38.980 --> 00:10:43.980 Yeah, you're going to retire once, come back with the bucks, retire again, and then we'll see. 00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:52.980 And then I'm going to go to Miami, down by Jeff, and somebody's going to sell the sand that I was kneeling on for $700 on eBay. 00:10:52.980 --> 00:10:56.980 And if you don't know what I'm talking about, go to ESPN.com. 00:10:56.980 --> 00:10:59.980 We can. I'll have to do that, too. 00:10:59.980 --> 00:11:04.980 Once again, you guys, you guys, Twitchers, you're at a much, much higher level than I am. 00:11:04.980 --> 00:11:09.980 Hey, you know what? I'm hoping this translates into the audio podcast world. 00:11:09.980 --> 00:11:11.980 Maybe not. We'll have to see. 00:11:11.980 --> 00:11:16.980 And somebody can tell me, somebody in chat, tell me what happened with kneeling at the sand in the beach. 00:11:16.980 --> 00:11:17.980 I'm curious. 00:11:17.980 --> 00:11:18.980 So, so many things. 00:11:18.980 --> 00:11:23.980 But hey, you know what? Let's, let's get into this and let's start to unpack the show here. 00:11:23.980 --> 00:11:30.980 So, as we're diving into gamer culture, I'm guessing nerd culture kind of follows alongside with that. 00:11:30.980 --> 00:11:35.980 I almost want to ask Bubba Stalkap here the first question with Love Thy Nerd. 00:11:35.980 --> 00:11:41.980 Actually, Bubba, before I get into the first question, which is what is nerd culture? 00:11:41.980 --> 00:11:44.980 Why don't you just set up a little bit? Tell us a little bit about who you are. 00:11:44.980 --> 00:11:48.980 Tell us about what you're doing with Love Thy Nerd. 00:11:48.980 --> 00:11:58.980 Yeah. So, as previously mentioned, my name is Bubba Stalkap. I'm the CEO, president and founder of Love Thy Nerd, which is an organization that has a really easy to remember mission statement. 00:11:58.980 --> 00:12:01.980 We exist to be the love of Jesus to nerds and nerd culture. 00:12:01.980 --> 00:12:08.980 And we do that by being an example of and also training other people on how to better love and serve their nerdy neighbors. 00:12:08.980 --> 00:12:10.980 And we do it a variety of ways. 00:12:10.980 --> 00:12:13.980 Easiest way to break it down is in three separate categories. 00:12:13.980 --> 00:12:23.980 We have Intentional Community, which is started off as Facebook and then migrated into Discord, where we believe true relationship happens online is through Discord. 00:12:23.980 --> 00:12:28.980 We just set up to do that. If you don't have Discord, that's a really good place to start. 00:12:28.980 --> 00:12:33.980 I got a couple of great places that I could point to that doesn't begin and end with the Love Thy Nerd Discord. 00:12:33.980 --> 00:12:38.980 So, we've got Intentional Community. That's not just online, but also in real life. 00:12:38.980 --> 00:12:44.980 Whenever we're hanging out doing game nights and stuff like that, we want to be intentional about the time that we spend together. 00:12:44.980 --> 00:12:55.980 We also have Relational Outreach, which is us going to places, whether that's digitally online, playing games with people in spaces like, say, Destiny 2, World of Warcraft, stuff like that. 00:12:55.980 --> 00:13:00.980 Or, it's us going to what we call nerd culture events, which are conventions. 00:13:00.980 --> 00:13:07.980 Gen Con, Pax Unplugged, you know, 30, 40, 50, 60,000 of your closest friends, that kind of a deal. 00:13:07.980 --> 00:13:13.980 We go and hang out and love people well inside of booths where we will activate missionaries. 00:13:13.980 --> 00:13:20.980 We create actual mission opportunities for people who don't want to go to Nicaragua and hang a door or swing a hammer. 00:13:20.980 --> 00:13:28.980 They'd be more comfortable. Not that that's the be-all, end-all, but sometimes effective ministry does kind of start in a comfortable space. 00:13:28.980 --> 00:13:34.980 And so we give them a space where they're gifted and that they like, they have a shared affinity with people to go and serve. 00:13:34.980 --> 00:13:37.980 And we have those moments at nerd culture events. 00:13:37.980 --> 00:13:39.980 So that's our relational outreach. 00:13:39.980 --> 00:13:42.980 Then we also have thoughtful content, which is our website. 00:13:42.980 --> 00:13:51.980 We've got blogs on there. We've got resources, which are just really a compilation of blogs, articles, features. 00:13:51.980 --> 00:13:56.980 We have podcasts, YouTube shows, Twitches, all sorts of stuff. 00:13:56.980 --> 00:14:00.980 Anything that you could possibly think of, there's probably something on there about that. 00:14:00.980 --> 00:14:06.980 And so those are the three major things that we do in order to better love and serve our nerdy neighbors. 00:14:06.980 --> 00:14:08.980 And to help train other people how to do that as well. 00:14:10.980 --> 00:14:13.980 Okay, so let's back up even to that. 00:14:13.980 --> 00:14:21.980 By the way, I totally want to dig into nerd missionaries and what's involved with that. 00:14:21.980 --> 00:14:23.980 So much goodness, right? All in that. 00:14:23.980 --> 00:14:25.980 But what's a nerd? 00:14:25.980 --> 00:14:34.980 I mean, I've got 89 bobbleheads behind me, mostly Star Wars, Marvel themed. 00:14:34.980 --> 00:14:36.980 Am I a nerd? 00:14:36.980 --> 00:14:37.980 Well, yeah, absolutely. 00:14:37.980 --> 00:14:38.980 Yeah. 00:14:38.980 --> 00:14:39.980 Yes! 00:14:39.980 --> 00:14:40.980 I was hoping that was the end. 00:14:40.980 --> 00:14:48.980 I mean, nerd and geek, they do have different meanings, but they're kind of interchangeable at some point. 00:14:48.980 --> 00:14:51.980 When we actually started, we were talking about some of those things. 00:14:51.980 --> 00:14:55.980 It's like, "Oh, are we geeks? Are we nerds? Are we this or that?" 00:14:55.980 --> 00:14:59.980 It's like, "Man, we're just really trying to umbrella this thing." 00:15:00.980 --> 00:15:10.980 And the idea is that when you really nerd out about something, it's like, "What's the thing that when you start talking about it, other people start zoning out?" 00:15:10.980 --> 00:15:12.980 That's the thing that you're actually a nerd about. 00:15:12.980 --> 00:15:14.980 It really is, right? 00:15:14.980 --> 00:15:24.980 Some of the biggest nerds I've ever met in my entire life are sports statisticians, people that play fantasy football. 00:15:24.980 --> 00:15:27.980 There ain't nothing nerdier in the world than fantasy football. 00:15:27.980 --> 00:15:34.980 And so we just try to help people understand, like, "Look, man, you are one." 00:15:34.980 --> 00:15:37.980 We're not trying to talk about people that just like Pokemon. 00:15:37.980 --> 00:15:41.980 We're not trying to talk about people that just collect comic books. 00:15:41.980 --> 00:15:43.980 Everybody's nerdy in some way, shape, or form. 00:15:43.980 --> 00:15:48.980 You were talking about at the top of it here that you're not a gamer, but you might be. 00:15:48.980 --> 00:15:50.980 It's like, that's kind of where people are. 00:15:50.980 --> 00:15:53.980 "I'm not a nerd, but man, I really like those Marvel movies." 00:15:53.980 --> 00:15:54.980 I'm like, "Nerd. 00:15:54.980 --> 00:15:55.980 You're a big nerd." 00:15:56.980 --> 00:15:57.980 It's real. 00:16:00.980 --> 00:16:03.980 Fantasy football is D&D for jocks. 00:16:03.980 --> 00:16:04.980 Caffeine gets it. 00:16:05.980 --> 00:16:06.980 Absolutely gets it. 00:16:07.980 --> 00:16:08.980 Yes. 00:16:08.980 --> 00:16:09.980 Caffeine. 00:16:09.980 --> 00:16:11.980 I want to say something. 00:16:11.980 --> 00:16:12.980 Caffeine. 00:16:12.980 --> 00:16:17.980 Listen, through the podcast, I've done 250 episodes, and every once in a while, I'll get a quote 00:16:17.980 --> 00:16:19.980 that's like so good. 00:16:19.980 --> 00:16:21.980 I say it's tattoo worthy. 00:16:21.980 --> 00:16:23.980 That right there is tattoo worthy. 00:16:23.980 --> 00:16:28.980 I would actually consider it tattooing that and your name somewhere on my body. 00:16:28.980 --> 00:16:29.980 So thank you. 00:16:29.980 --> 00:16:30.980 Well, hey. 00:16:30.980 --> 00:16:32.980 Make sure you spell caffeine incorrectly like he did. 00:16:32.980 --> 00:16:34.980 That may be my day right there. 00:16:34.980 --> 00:16:35.980 Yep. 00:16:36.980 --> 00:16:40.980 So, I mean, this is interesting because you're talking sports and I never would have said sports 00:16:40.980 --> 00:16:44.980 is a nerd, but this idea of the thing that you're talking about that normally people at some point 00:16:44.980 --> 00:16:46.980 we want to zone out about, but you're still going about it. 00:16:46.980 --> 00:16:50.980 This is a very broad realm. 00:16:50.980 --> 00:16:51.980 Yeah. 00:16:51.980 --> 00:16:52.980 Do you have a persona? 00:16:52.980 --> 00:16:55.980 Is not everyone at some point a nerd? 00:16:55.980 --> 00:17:01.980 I mean, my wife, I would not consider a nerd, but at some point she keeps talking about educational stuff 00:17:01.980 --> 00:17:03.980 because she's a school teacher. 00:17:03.980 --> 00:17:07.980 And I'm going to confession hour here a little bit publicly on Twitch. 00:17:07.980 --> 00:17:08.980 Sometimes I want to zone out. 00:17:08.980 --> 00:17:09.980 Yeah. 00:17:09.980 --> 00:17:10.980 So does that mean that she's a nerd? 00:17:10.980 --> 00:17:12.980 Are not all of us nerds? 00:17:12.980 --> 00:17:13.980 Yeah. 00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:18.980 I think that at some point you kind of got to draw a line somewhere, right? 00:17:18.980 --> 00:17:22.980 Because you could say that people nerd out about all kinds of things. 00:17:22.980 --> 00:17:29.980 But you have to be somewhat clear about it that it's like, well, but not everybody is a nerd. 00:17:29.980 --> 00:17:34.980 Because in a certain spectrum, you're talking about a thing, right? 00:17:34.980 --> 00:17:38.980 We had to say that for our community because people were like, I'm a car nerd. 00:17:38.980 --> 00:17:39.980 I'm a food nerd. 00:17:39.980 --> 00:17:40.980 I'm a this nerd. 00:17:40.980 --> 00:17:42.980 Okay, that's our fault. 00:17:42.980 --> 00:17:43.980 We did that, right? 00:17:43.980 --> 00:17:45.980 With how we broadened the term. 00:17:45.980 --> 00:17:52.980 But what we're really trying to focus on is pop culture, video games, comic books, and movies. 00:17:52.980 --> 00:17:54.980 And tabletop experiences as well. 00:17:54.980 --> 00:17:56.980 That kind of realm of nerd. 00:17:56.980 --> 00:18:00.980 People that will go to a convention and dress up like a thing, right? 00:18:00.980 --> 00:18:05.980 Which again, what an interesting juxtaposition that is when you hold it up against football fans 00:18:05.980 --> 00:18:11.980 who will always dress up like a thing when they go to the show, right? 00:18:11.980 --> 00:18:15.980 So we're not just trying to be like, we're going to wedge you into nerd. 00:18:15.980 --> 00:18:21.980 It's just, I want you to understand at the end of the day, we're not really all that dissimilar. 00:18:23.980 --> 00:18:24.980 Interesting. 00:18:24.980 --> 00:18:28.980 So yesterday, I was actually wearing a Love Thy Nerd t-shirt. 00:18:28.980 --> 00:18:33.980 And it was that one that listed a whole bunch of terms I don't think I actually know. 00:18:33.980 --> 00:18:38.980 One of them I know was cosplay and games and things like that. 00:18:38.980 --> 00:18:40.980 But you're... 00:18:40.980 --> 00:18:43.980 So let me just ask, what's your target audience? 00:18:43.980 --> 00:18:44.980 What's your persona? 00:18:44.980 --> 00:18:49.980 Who's the type of person maybe demographically... 00:18:49.980 --> 00:18:51.980 Who are you trying to reach? 00:18:51.980 --> 00:18:53.980 Interesting question. 00:18:53.980 --> 00:18:57.980 The three of us had an opportunity to do a thing called the Megazord Summit. 00:18:57.980 --> 00:19:02.980 And while we were there in last October, October 2022, depending on when you're actually listening to this. 00:19:02.980 --> 00:19:14.980 But what we ended up doing was defining our one, which at that point, almost five years into our ministry, we hadn't actually done other than to say, we're just here to reach nerds. 00:19:14.980 --> 00:19:17.980 We never stopped and said, who is that? 00:19:17.980 --> 00:19:18.980 Who is that person? 00:19:18.980 --> 00:19:19.980 Who are those people? 00:19:19.980 --> 00:19:25.980 And what we actually came up with was the average age of a gamer is somewhere in the neighborhood of 36. 00:19:25.980 --> 00:19:27.980 It's like, it's a sliding statistic, right? 00:19:27.980 --> 00:19:38.980 But the reason that is the statistic is because in 1986, a very small man named Mario Mario landed on U.S. shores. 00:19:38.980 --> 00:19:39.980 He has a brother. 00:19:39.980 --> 00:19:40.980 And some of us... 00:19:40.980 --> 00:19:41.980 Yeah, he did. 00:19:41.980 --> 00:19:43.980 Lou Gigi, I think is his name, yeah. 00:19:43.980 --> 00:19:44.980 Lou Gigi. 00:19:46.980 --> 00:19:48.980 Some of us haven't known a life without him. 00:19:48.980 --> 00:19:53.980 And so it makes sense that that would kind of be kind of a median line. 00:19:53.980 --> 00:19:59.980 There are people older than us and there are people younger than us because our parents had to buy us things and our kids are going to follow suit, right? 00:19:59.980 --> 00:20:02.980 But as it stands, that's kind of what we shoot for. 00:20:02.980 --> 00:20:09.980 We shoot for people who are kind of around our age because that's a thing that we know and we understand. 00:20:09.980 --> 00:20:12.980 And we want to try and stay in our lane and be effective. 00:20:12.980 --> 00:20:17.980 Now, there are people out there that are trying to reach an older generation and people out there that are trying to reach a younger generation. 00:20:17.980 --> 00:20:26.980 We're trying to hit the middle point and train people on how to better love nerds from this spot so that they can love the people around them as well. 00:20:26.980 --> 00:20:37.980 So what type of people, organizations, like when you say you're trying to train people to love nerds, who are you trying to train? 00:20:37.980 --> 00:20:41.980 Like what's your ministry actually looking like? 00:20:41.980 --> 00:20:43.980 Who are you working with? 00:20:43.980 --> 00:20:46.980 So we're working with a couple of different organizations out there. 00:20:46.980 --> 00:20:52.980 We talked about Megazord and that's just an affectionate name that we came up with that works. 00:20:52.980 --> 00:21:02.980 But really what it is, is we're working with Digital Church Network on how to create a multiplication process that does this thing that I'm talking about. 00:21:02.980 --> 00:21:07.980 And so I'm kind of in charge of an area that's looking at other organizations. 00:21:07.980 --> 00:21:15.980 How do we reach out to them or when they reach out to us, how do we resource them best so that they can just affect the people in their vicinity? 00:21:15.980 --> 00:21:26.980 And so I've worked with Campus Crusade for Christ, now known as CRU, and varying versions of that because they're a different thing no matter where you look. 00:21:26.980 --> 00:21:33.980 We've worked with FCA, we've worked with an organization out of California called Urban Youth Workers Institute. 00:21:33.980 --> 00:21:40.980 Really cool, during the pandemic, we developed a resource with them that we called 3D, Developing Digital Disciples. 00:21:40.980 --> 00:21:49.980 Because everybody moved off of all of that in-person stuff and had to go online, you know, per our U.S. government. 00:21:49.980 --> 00:21:53.980 And so how do you continue to be a church and love people well? 00:21:53.980 --> 00:21:56.980 We walked them through some stuff and helped them develop some curriculum. 00:21:56.980 --> 00:22:03.980 And we've got reaches all over the world with organizations that do have names and organizations that don't. 00:22:03.980 --> 00:22:10.980 From really small, two-people organizations to things as big as CRU. 00:22:10.980 --> 00:22:11.980 Awesome. 00:22:11.980 --> 00:22:13.980 That's interesting. 00:22:13.980 --> 00:22:17.980 When you mentioned Digital Church Network, I wasn't looking for the selfish plug. 00:22:17.980 --> 00:22:21.980 I was actually just curious who's interested in this space. 00:22:21.980 --> 00:22:22.980 Yeah. 00:22:22.980 --> 00:22:24.980 And it's interesting. 00:22:24.980 --> 00:22:27.980 I sent an email out about this stream. 00:22:27.980 --> 00:22:33.980 Like I think I said earlier, to my database, to my list, to start to invite some people in. 00:22:33.980 --> 00:22:36.980 And I mean, it was a moderately opened email. 00:22:36.980 --> 00:22:42.980 I knew with the gaming title, I wasn't going to get all of my people like I would normally do. 00:22:42.980 --> 00:22:44.980 The open rates would be a little lower. 00:22:44.980 --> 00:22:46.980 But it was interesting. 00:22:46.980 --> 00:22:51.980 I got some feedback from International Mission Board, which I was surprised. 00:22:51.980 --> 00:22:52.980 Oh, yeah. 00:22:52.980 --> 00:22:53.980 Southern Baptist. 00:22:53.980 --> 00:22:55.980 It was like, "Hey, what are you working on? 00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:56.980 I want to catch up with you." 00:22:56.980 --> 00:23:00.980 And I was like, "I didn't even know the International Mission Board was getting my email." 00:23:00.980 --> 00:23:01.980 That's kind of an interesting day. 00:23:01.980 --> 00:23:03.980 So yay, Southern Baptist. 00:23:03.980 --> 00:23:08.980 There is a chance that the IMB has actually heard of Love Thy Nerd and what we're doing. 00:23:08.980 --> 00:23:14.980 I'm a part of a church that is in the Southern Baptist Convention here in Texas. 00:23:14.980 --> 00:23:19.980 And there are people that have already been talking about the things that we're doing. 00:23:19.980 --> 00:23:23.980 Not just because we're doing it, but because there are actually other people in the space. 00:23:23.980 --> 00:23:24.980 There's a streamer out there. 00:23:24.980 --> 00:23:26.980 His name is Sancho Panda. 00:23:26.980 --> 00:23:29.980 And he holds a PhD. 00:23:29.980 --> 00:23:31.980 He is a speed runner in games. 00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:37.980 And he works with Texas Baptist as part of the Christian Life Coalition. 00:23:37.980 --> 00:23:39.980 And that's his day job. 00:23:39.980 --> 00:23:41.980 And he goes and he speaks and he does all these things. 00:23:41.980 --> 00:23:44.980 And then at night, he goes and he speed runs games. 00:23:44.980 --> 00:23:49.980 There's a thing called Awesome Games Done Quick, which is a collection of speed runners, 00:23:49.980 --> 00:23:53.980 which are people that play games as fast as they can, sometimes breaking it on purpose, 00:23:53.980 --> 00:23:55.980 sometimes just doing an actual clean run. 00:23:55.980 --> 00:23:57.980 And he's been a part of that. 00:23:57.980 --> 00:24:00.980 That had nothing to do with what he does for his day job. 00:24:00.980 --> 00:24:05.980 But it's not just these people and these people that do things. 00:24:05.980 --> 00:24:11.980 It's all of us are kind of in the same realm because we have this shared affinity, some of us. 00:24:11.980 --> 00:24:13.980 Yeah. 00:24:13.980 --> 00:24:18.980 So a PhD with that games, my whole world view is getting shattered right now. 00:24:18.980 --> 00:24:19.980 Yeah. 00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:21.980 This is great. 00:24:21.980 --> 00:24:22.980 Yeah. 00:24:22.980 --> 00:24:26.980 So you mentioned three D's. 00:24:26.980 --> 00:24:29.980 One of those D's was discipleship. 00:24:29.980 --> 00:24:31.980 Talk to me a little bit. 00:24:31.980 --> 00:24:34.980 What does discipleship look like for Love Thy Nerd? 00:24:34.980 --> 00:24:38.980 What does discipleship look like in gaming culture? 00:24:38.980 --> 00:24:41.980 What are some things that you've seen or maybe you're doing? 00:24:41.980 --> 00:24:43.980 Yeah, man, what a great question. 00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:46.980 Discipleship in and of itself is multiplication. 00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:52.980 And so just as a short background, I come from church, the church world. 00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:53.980 I didn't just attend church. 00:24:53.980 --> 00:24:59.980 I was a part of church staff for over 12 years at various churches in different capacities. 00:24:59.980 --> 00:25:02.980 And I spent five and a half of that as a youth pastor. 00:25:02.980 --> 00:25:06.980 And so I've seen a lot of things. 00:25:06.980 --> 00:25:09.980 And I've seen discipleship done right. 00:25:09.980 --> 00:25:11.980 And I've seen discipleship done wrong. 00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:15.980 And I think when it's done poorly, it's programming. 00:25:15.980 --> 00:25:18.980 We have a thing that exists at this time. 00:25:18.980 --> 00:25:21.980 When it's done correctly, it's life. 00:25:21.980 --> 00:25:23.980 We do life together. 00:25:23.980 --> 00:25:25.980 We're going to know things about people. 00:25:25.980 --> 00:25:27.980 We're going to be intentional with the time that we have 00:25:27.980 --> 00:25:30.980 and relational with the things that we actually do with that time. 00:25:30.980 --> 00:25:34.980 And so we take that because of our past experience, 00:25:34.980 --> 00:25:36.980 the staff here at Love Thy Nerd, 00:25:36.980 --> 00:25:40.980 we take that and allow that to inform what we do at Love Thy Nerd. 00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:44.980 And so we have a very organic platform on Discord 00:25:44.980 --> 00:25:48.980 where people can come together and talk about things and start stuff. 00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:50.980 But for people that want to go deeper, 00:25:50.980 --> 00:25:54.980 we first institute what I've coined as passive discipleship. 00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:58.980 That if you decide to hang out with me for any length of time, 00:25:58.980 --> 00:26:01.980 past the little bit of time when we're playing a game or whatever, 00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:05.980 you are going to see how I can best interpret 00:26:05.980 --> 00:26:08.980 how Jesus would or would not act in any given situation. 00:26:08.980 --> 00:26:09.980 I can't turn that off. 00:26:09.980 --> 00:26:11.980 I'm not going to turn it off. 00:26:11.980 --> 00:26:15.980 And so that's what you're going to experience is this passive discipleship. 00:26:15.980 --> 00:26:17.980 Active discipleship, we know that. 00:26:17.980 --> 00:26:21.980 That is, you're going to follow behind your rabbi so closely 00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:25.980 that his dust kicks up on the hem of your garment. 00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:26.980 That kind of stuff. 00:26:26.980 --> 00:26:30.980 And so for the people that want to move from A to B, 00:26:30.980 --> 00:26:34.980 that's where we have those missions outreach opportunities. 00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:38.980 That's the first actual legitimate step that people can take outside of volunteering 00:26:38.980 --> 00:26:40.980 and doing stuff like that. 00:26:40.980 --> 00:26:43.980 When you come on a mission trip with us, which that's exactly what it is. 00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:44.980 It's a mission trip. 00:26:44.980 --> 00:26:52.980 When you come with us, we teach you and train you the best possible way to be effective in the space where we're going to send you. 00:26:52.980 --> 00:26:54.980 That doesn't mean it's a blanket statement. 00:26:54.980 --> 00:26:55.980 It's going to work everywhere. 00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:56.980 It's not a magic bullet or anything like that. 00:26:56.980 --> 00:27:06.980 But we're going to train you on the effective ways to reach people inside of nerd culture and almost specifically in the place where we're going to send you. 00:27:06.980 --> 00:27:07.980 Maybe you're an introvert. 00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:09.980 Here's how to talk to people. 00:27:09.980 --> 00:27:11.980 Here's the secret sauce of how to get people to open up. 00:27:11.980 --> 00:27:13.980 I am not an introvert. 00:27:13.980 --> 00:27:18.980 Sometimes I forget that you have to train people how to do stuff like have a conversation. 00:27:18.980 --> 00:27:25.980 But rather than shaming them for not being this thing and fitting this model, we train them on how to do that. 00:27:25.980 --> 00:27:27.980 Hey, you're not going to know what to ask. 00:27:27.980 --> 00:27:33.980 Here are four things that you can ask people to get them talking about their favorite subject, which is themselves. 00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:35.980 So that's a small part of what we do. 00:27:35.980 --> 00:27:38.980 And then we tell them, hey, people are going to ask you. 00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:40.980 They're going to understand that you're a Christian at some point. 00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:42.980 They're going to understand this thing. 00:27:42.980 --> 00:27:44.980 And then they're going to have a whole bunch of questions for you. 00:27:44.980 --> 00:27:48.980 The biggest thing that we tell people is do not pretend like you know everything. 00:27:48.980 --> 00:27:52.980 You're not God's gift to mankind or even the people you're talking to. 00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:53.980 You're there to be a vessel. 00:27:53.980 --> 00:27:57.980 And if you don't have the answer, shut your mouth. 00:27:57.980 --> 00:28:00.980 Just shut it so fast and so hard. 00:28:00.980 --> 00:28:02.980 Don't even try to come up with an answer. 00:28:02.980 --> 00:28:05.980 Or the best thing you can say to somebody is, I don't know. 00:28:05.980 --> 00:28:06.980 That's a great question. 00:28:06.980 --> 00:28:10.980 I'd love to take time to find that out with you. 00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:11.980 Andy? 00:28:11.980 --> 00:28:12.980 Yeah, Bubba. 00:28:12.980 --> 00:28:16.980 I'm a huge fan of LTN, obviously, with Megazord and all that. 00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:20.980 But listening to your guys' podcasts, doing kind of all the content nerd stuff. 00:28:20.980 --> 00:28:21.980 There's that nerd term again. 00:28:21.980 --> 00:28:22.980 Sorry. 00:28:22.980 --> 00:28:35.980 But have you noticed a shift ever since really the pandemic, but even before then up till now in receptivity when talking about Jesus during these events? 00:28:35.980 --> 00:28:38.980 Are people more apt to listen? 00:28:38.980 --> 00:28:39.980 Are they less apt to listen? 00:28:39.980 --> 00:28:42.980 Are we kind of in the proverbial Mars Hill thing? 00:28:42.980 --> 00:28:43.980 Are we past Mars Hill? 00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:45.980 What's the feeling like? 00:28:45.980 --> 00:28:46.980 Yeah. 00:28:46.980 --> 00:28:47.980 Yeah. 00:28:47.980 --> 00:28:54.980 So I think anywhere you go, and I'm assuming the audience that's listening to this podcast, right? 00:28:54.980 --> 00:28:56.980 We live in a post-Christian society. 00:28:56.980 --> 00:29:07.980 And almost regardless of what your interpretation of that phrase actually is, it doesn't probably mean what you think that it means. 00:29:07.980 --> 00:29:11.980 Because the fact of the matter is that every single person is a different person. 00:29:11.980 --> 00:29:12.980 They just are. 00:29:12.980 --> 00:29:16.980 People, I say this all the time, people are a sum of the moments that have led up to this moment. 00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:18.980 They are not this moment in a vacuum. 00:29:18.980 --> 00:29:24.980 Just because they're giving you lip or they're super receptive, it doesn't mean that that's how they're going to be all the time. 00:29:24.980 --> 00:29:29.980 And even if you have that interaction with somebody, you're not going to have it with another person. 00:29:29.980 --> 00:29:32.980 And so I think that, well, I don't think. 00:29:32.980 --> 00:29:39.980 This has been my experience is that the lockdown, the pandemic in general, it made people stir crazy. 00:29:39.980 --> 00:29:41.980 It absolutely did. 00:29:41.980 --> 00:29:47.980 So they were just flat out more receptive to being around people when they finally could. 00:29:47.980 --> 00:29:53.980 Some people just being able to do the things that they wanted to do, whatever those things were. 00:29:53.980 --> 00:29:57.980 And other people, so long as they fit safe in the environment. 00:29:57.980 --> 00:30:05.980 And so we tend to lean towards the latter and not the former when we're trying to be around people and care for people. 00:30:05.980 --> 00:30:09.980 And so we want people to feel as comfortable as they possibly can. 00:30:09.980 --> 00:30:15.980 Because we know that people have all these preconceived notions about Jesus and who he is. 00:30:15.980 --> 00:30:23.980 Movies, TV shows, videos, podcasts, music, anything that is an outside source. 00:30:23.980 --> 00:30:31.980 You put on top of that their personal experience, their first or second-hand experience of what Jesus and the church are. 00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:33.980 We don't discredit any of that. 00:30:33.980 --> 00:30:35.980 We take all that into account. 00:30:35.980 --> 00:30:44.980 And so if we're talking about how receptive people actually are to hearing the gospel, we take this approach. 00:30:44.980 --> 00:30:47.980 I told you one of our things was relational outreach. 00:30:47.980 --> 00:30:49.980 It is still outreach 100%. 00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:51.980 But it's predicated on relationship. 00:30:51.980 --> 00:31:02.980 Because we truly believe that in order to share that heavy truth, which the truth is that Jesus loves you, he died for you, and wants to spend the rest of eternity with you in a place that you could never imagine. 00:31:03.980 --> 00:31:07.980 He has died to reconcile you to him and his father. 00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:09.980 That is what the truth is. 00:31:09.980 --> 00:31:14.980 In order to share that with people, as good a news as that is, it's still difficult. 00:31:14.980 --> 00:31:16.980 And people are not receptive to it. 00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:20.980 Because so many Christians have treated people as projects. 00:31:20.980 --> 00:31:24.980 At LTN, one of our core values is that people are people, they are not projects. 00:31:24.980 --> 00:31:32.980 And so if my end goal is just to make sure that Sally Sue over here knows Jesus by the end of our conversation. 00:31:32.980 --> 00:31:35.980 That's not fair. 00:31:35.980 --> 00:31:44.980 If I brought my wife into a conversation and I only had 10 minutes with somebody, I could not make that person know my wife in 10 minutes. 00:31:44.980 --> 00:31:48.980 But we bring Jesus into it and we want that to be as quick as the process is. 00:31:48.980 --> 00:32:01.980 And so what we do at Love Thy Nerd, and to answer your question with the receptiveness, I think this is why our conversion rate with the relationship is so high, is that we take the time to get to know people. 00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:05.980 We don't enter into things with a short-term mission mindset. 00:32:05.980 --> 00:32:11.980 We may only be there for three or four days at a convention or only have an hour or two with you playing a game. 00:32:11.980 --> 00:32:13.980 But we're in it for the long haul. 00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:20.980 We always are going to push people towards our discord, not so they pump the numbers, but so that we have them there when they have a question or we want to talk to them. 00:32:20.980 --> 00:32:22.980 Because that's what's going to happen. 00:32:22.980 --> 00:32:29.980 And so that relational outreach aspect of what we do, that's one of the things that we've seen that's been stupid effective. 00:32:29.980 --> 00:32:34.980 Because people, we know this is people, people long to know and to be known, right? 00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:38.980 They're not going to care about the things that you have to say until they know that you care about them. 00:32:38.980 --> 00:32:47.980 Like all these cliche things that we say, it's like, man, they're things that we say for a reason, but like, are we actually going to do those things? 00:32:47.980 --> 00:32:54.980 And so the receptiveness is actually tied so very closely to how you view them as a human person. 00:32:54.980 --> 00:32:59.980 I'm so confused right now. 00:33:00.980 --> 00:33:05.980 Don't you know, like to really do relational discipleship, you've got to breathe the same air molecules. 00:33:06.980 --> 00:33:07.980 You don't, I don't understand. 00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:10.980 You're doing what with the video? 00:33:10.980 --> 00:33:13.980 Like this is so, no, it doesn't, it doesn't work. 00:33:13.980 --> 00:33:15.980 Didn't anyone ever tell you it doesn't work this way? 00:33:15.980 --> 00:33:17.980 I just, I don't, I don't, I don't get it. 00:33:17.980 --> 00:33:19.980 Like this is, I mean, sure. 00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:22.980 You're doing the, which is that cool. 00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:23.980 That's cool. 00:33:23.980 --> 00:33:26.980 You just got to get them connected to a, to a, to a church after the fact. 00:33:26.980 --> 00:33:28.980 But, but the rest of this stuff, this is, this is garbage. 00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:31.980 I don't, I can't believe nobody ever told you that. 00:33:32.980 --> 00:33:37.980 So I'm curious, but if you don't know me, I'm, that was the most facetious, sarcastic. 00:33:38.980 --> 00:33:40.980 It smells like irony in here. 00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:45.980 I mean, so the people watching on Twitch, like, but, but, but no, I'm joking. 00:33:45.980 --> 00:33:46.980 Sorry, my fault. 00:33:48.980 --> 00:33:50.980 You came from a physical church environment, Bubba. 00:33:50.980 --> 00:33:52.980 You mentioned that, you mentioned that earlier. 00:33:53.980 --> 00:33:54.980 Stop limiting God. 00:33:54.980 --> 00:33:55.980 Ukulele. 00:33:55.980 --> 00:33:56.980 Very. 00:33:56.980 --> 00:33:57.980 Ukulele. 00:33:58.980 --> 00:34:00.980 That is a, you know, it's funny. 00:34:00.980 --> 00:34:01.980 Oh my gosh. 00:34:01.980 --> 00:34:02.980 I'm trying to think of the Leonard Sweet quote. 00:34:02.980 --> 00:34:04.980 He told me recently on that. 00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:05.980 M keys. 00:34:05.980 --> 00:34:07.980 You've been good too on chat. 00:34:07.980 --> 00:34:11.980 I met a guy face to face today for the first time who watches streams online, connecting 00:34:11.980 --> 00:34:12.980 in discord. 00:34:12.980 --> 00:34:14.980 The in-person meeting is great. 00:34:14.980 --> 00:34:17.980 Uh, but we already had a relationship through streams and discord. 00:34:17.980 --> 00:34:19.980 You see, this is the thing. 00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:21.980 I, and, and I'll get to the question, Bubba in a second. 00:34:21.980 --> 00:34:22.980 Like. 00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:23.980 No, you're fine. 00:34:23.980 --> 00:34:25.980 There is a type of person. 00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:31.980 I don't know if it's, if it's generational, if it's age based, if it's, you know, more biased 00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:36.980 towards gaming and digital technology, if it's a digital native versus a Luddite. 00:34:36.980 --> 00:34:38.980 Like, I don't know what the characteristics are. 00:34:38.980 --> 00:34:41.980 But in 2023, there are people that get it. 00:34:41.980 --> 00:34:42.980 Hmm. 00:34:42.980 --> 00:34:45.980 And in 2023, there are clearly people that don't get it. 00:34:45.980 --> 00:34:46.980 Amen. 00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:48.980 And, and it's, and it's been fascinating for me. 00:34:48.980 --> 00:34:52.980 You know, there's a season in my life where I tried to convince everybody that, that this 00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:55.980 digital thing would work and that, you know what happens? 00:34:55.980 --> 00:34:56.980 Yeah. 00:34:56.980 --> 00:35:00.980 You only convince a very small percentage and everybody else you're just wasting your time on. 00:35:00.980 --> 00:35:01.980 Right. 00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:05.980 And, uh, I, I, I stopped, I stopped fighting those battles a couple of years and COVID. 00:35:05.980 --> 00:35:06.980 COVID. 00:35:06.980 --> 00:35:09.980 I ramped up 2020 fighting those battles and 2021. 00:35:09.980 --> 00:35:11.980 It's like, yeah, it's more fun. 00:35:11.980 --> 00:35:12.980 Just do it. 00:35:12.980 --> 00:35:13.980 Just, just being right. 00:35:13.980 --> 00:35:16.980 You know, I would tell people, it's like, you know, our battlefield is discipleship and 00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:19.980 we're going to show you the results with what we're doing. 00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:21.980 Uh, and so we're just, you can keep talking. 00:35:21.980 --> 00:35:22.980 It's cool. 00:35:22.980 --> 00:35:26.980 I'm going to be over here, like helping going with the goers and actually doing something, 00:35:26.980 --> 00:35:27.980 which I love Bubba. 00:35:27.980 --> 00:35:28.980 I love what I'm hearing. 00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:29.980 This is great. 00:35:29.980 --> 00:35:35.980 Tell me, how did you pivot away from, what was your physical church kind of involvement? 00:35:35.980 --> 00:35:36.980 Were you on staff? 00:35:36.980 --> 00:35:38.980 How did you pivot away towards that? 00:35:38.980 --> 00:35:40.980 Are you still involved in that? 00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:44.980 What, what, what do they think with some of the stuff you're doing with Love Thy Nerd? 00:35:44.980 --> 00:35:47.980 Tell me, cause that's, that's a hard shift. 00:35:47.980 --> 00:35:50.980 I would love to hear some background on that from you. 00:35:50.980 --> 00:35:51.980 Yeah. 00:35:51.980 --> 00:36:01.980 So, um, back in 2012, we, I was serving as a youth pastor in Odessa, Texas, and I actually got fired from that position. 00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:04.980 And it's one of those deals where I'm like, I still don't know. 00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:05.980 I don't know. 00:36:05.980 --> 00:36:06.980 I don't know at all. 00:36:06.980 --> 00:36:11.980 Well, what the reason behind that firing was because it was highly political and all sorts of stuff. 00:36:11.980 --> 00:36:16.980 Anybody who's been in the church world for any amount of time can maybe speak a little bit to that. 00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:20.980 Um, it is, it is a more common story than it is uncommon. 00:36:20.980 --> 00:36:32.980 And so what ended up happening was we, we moved out here to central Texas and I got a job at a church that, uh, has one of these most staunch names that I've ever heard in any church world. 00:36:32.980 --> 00:36:34.980 And that's first Baptist church. 00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:36.980 It's first Baptist church in marble falls. 00:36:36.980 --> 00:36:47.980 And so like, yeah, I mean, yeah, right there, you know, it's like, and so, but I got a job as their first ever full-time technology director. 00:36:47.980 --> 00:36:52.980 And so I, I was kind of pivoting back into a passion of mine, which was tech. 00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:57.980 And the cool thing about it was that they'd never had anybody. 00:36:57.980 --> 00:37:00.980 The terrifying thing is that they'd never had anybody. 00:37:00.980 --> 00:37:08.980 And so everything that happened was either revolutionary or basically black magic. 00:37:08.980 --> 00:37:16.980 And so, um, we kind of worked from there and, and I kind of, I'd come out of full-time active ministry. 00:37:16.980 --> 00:37:23.980 And if you're on staff as, as a tech, you know, director or person or whatever, man, I hope that things are going well for you. 00:37:23.980 --> 00:37:42.980 For me, it was really difficult to actually lead in a ministerial position because you're so focused on the tech and making things run properly and making sure that the lights, the sound and the video and all sorts of stuff are running while also still moving in a direction that is, uh, you know, pushing the church forward and not holding it back. 00:37:42.980 --> 00:37:45.980 And so kind of a lot of pressure. 00:37:45.980 --> 00:37:48.980 Um, and the hours were grueling, absolutely grueling. 00:37:48.980 --> 00:37:57.980 Um, I, people think I'm joking when I say this, but there were multiple nights where I slept in my office and not because I was fighting with my wife. 00:37:57.980 --> 00:38:03.700 Like, you know, it was just things that needed to get done that there were not enough hours in the day to do them. 00:38:03.980 --> 00:38:14.760 And so, you know, you come, you come out of that, um, and not being able to like truly minister and stretch these legs and, you know, share with people and all sorts of stuff. 00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:24.820 And so I found myself involved in, in a, in an organization called game church that I was actually just looking for, Hey, I, God's calling me to start something. 00:38:24.940 --> 00:38:25.820 What would I call it? 00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:26.820 I Googled game church. 00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:26.820 Boom. 00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:31.820 There it was, they had already parked the domain and put up a website and all sorts of stuff. 00:38:31.820 --> 00:38:45.820 And so, um, I just got involved with them over time, started doing community management management with them going on, uh, you know, it didn't have this name at that time, but nerd culture mission trips, um, you know, and going to conventions and all sorts of stuff. 00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:46.820 Went to some of the biggest ones. 00:38:46.820 --> 00:38:50.820 We went to E3, um, that's starting to die down now, but we did that twice. 00:38:50.820 --> 00:38:51.820 It was really cool. 00:38:51.820 --> 00:38:54.820 Been all over the, all over the world, like doing stuff, right. 00:38:54.820 --> 00:38:55.820 It's crazy. 00:38:55.820 --> 00:39:06.820 And I told my church, I was like, look, man, I'm, I'm finding my, my ministerial time here and not here at church. 00:39:07.820 --> 00:39:09.820 Um, what are we going to do about that? 00:39:09.820 --> 00:39:18.820 And so finally came to a point in October of 2019, um, when we started, you know, really having conversations and pushing forward with stuff. 00:39:18.820 --> 00:39:23.820 And I was offered a full-time pastorate at a church plant that we were going to be doing. 00:39:23.820 --> 00:39:28.820 And the only caveat was that I would need to leave LTN and would I be willing to do that? 00:39:28.820 --> 00:39:29.820 And it wasn't malicious. 00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:32.820 Like they were giving me basically the exact thing that I was asking for. 00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:43.820 And I said, no, I, I could, I could probably be convinced to do less, uh, to, you know, uh, to not do more, but I'll never do less. 00:39:43.820 --> 00:39:43.820 Right. 00:39:43.820 --> 00:39:44.820 Like I'm not, I'm not quitting. 00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:46.820 This is, this is the thing that has carried me. 00:39:46.820 --> 00:39:49.820 And I really do feel like God is calling me in this. 00:39:49.820 --> 00:39:54.820 And so we started a plan and my church supported me 100%. 00:39:54.820 --> 00:39:59.820 They paid my salary for a year so that I had a ramp in order to, to go. 00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:09.820 Um, what I didn't know is that that ramp was going to be super flat, that that ramp was going to be 2020 and a pandemic and all sorts of stuff, but it didn't change the timeline. 00:40:09.820 --> 00:40:19.820 And my church has been crazy supportive ever since then, um, to the tune of in, in November of 2023, this year, they are hosting. 00:40:19.820 --> 00:40:40.820 They're the host space for our nerd culture ministry summit that we're putting on us and Lux digital and a bunch of other places are going to be kind of coming together to do this, to reach out to ministry leaders, um, and organizational leaders, whether they're from, you know, municipalities or boys and girls club of America, YMCA churches, all sorts of stuff. 00:40:40.820 --> 00:40:51.820 Anybody that wants to better reach the nerds in their space, that's going to be the hub for this, like three day intensive where we train people on how to do that better. 00:40:51.820 --> 00:40:53.820 And my church was like, we would love to do that. 00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:54.820 Please sign us up. 00:40:54.820 --> 00:40:56.820 You can have the whole building. 00:40:56.820 --> 00:41:01.820 Give us the whole building for the week, which is nuts. 00:41:01.820 --> 00:41:02.820 So cool. 00:41:02.820 --> 00:41:08.820 I, I totally want to like, by the way, your story and my story is, are not that different. 00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:13.820 And so I actually would love to maybe sit down over coffee or virtual coffee and unpack that. 00:41:13.820 --> 00:41:14.820 Cause that was sure. 00:41:14.820 --> 00:41:15.820 That was beautiful. 00:41:15.820 --> 00:41:22.820 But the idea of, uh, really what I want to get into, because you're doing this, uh, the summit, the event. 00:41:22.820 --> 00:41:29.820 And, um, the idea is, is physical churches, um, impacting and reaching their culture. 00:41:29.820 --> 00:41:38.820 So, uh, I mean, podcasts, you're going to have a lot of physical churches that are trying to figure out how to impact digital. 00:41:38.820 --> 00:41:41.820 So, so talk to them a little bit here. 00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:44.820 Um, what does that look like? 00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:49.820 How can they take steps, even baby steps to start to maybe engage in that nerd culture better? 00:41:49.820 --> 00:41:52.820 Hmm. 00:41:52.820 --> 00:41:53.820 Ooh, man. 00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:57.820 Um, so my wife shared something with me the other day. 00:41:57.820 --> 00:41:59.820 Um, and I'm a plagiarist at heart. 00:41:59.820 --> 00:42:01.820 Like what, what good Christian isn't right. 00:42:01.820 --> 00:42:03.820 We didn't write any of this stuff. 00:42:03.820 --> 00:42:10.820 And so the, the thing that she told me the other day was the only way to get through it is to do it. 00:42:10.820 --> 00:42:12.820 And I don't know who said it before her. 00:42:12.820 --> 00:42:14.820 So she's just going to get credit and a stalker. 00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:18.820 Um, and so I, I'm a white knuckler as it is. 00:42:18.820 --> 00:42:21.820 And so I project that onto other people. 00:42:21.820 --> 00:42:31.820 And so I tell them all the time that, you know, if you want to get it, get down into a, like a nerdy quote, um, here is a master Yoda from star Wars. 00:42:32.820 --> 00:42:35.820 Do or do not, there is no try. 00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:40.820 Like if, if you're looking at this as just a thing that you're going to kind of test out. 00:42:40.820 --> 00:42:45.820 Um, I would, I would just say, do you, do you do that with your men's ministry? 00:42:45.820 --> 00:42:48.820 Do you do that with your children's ministry or your youth ministry? 00:42:48.820 --> 00:42:51.820 Is it, is it a test to see if this is something that will stick? 00:42:51.820 --> 00:42:54.820 And it's not because I can tell you for sure. 00:42:54.820 --> 00:42:56.820 And for certain that these people do need that. 00:42:56.820 --> 00:42:59.820 So I would say start where you can. 00:42:59.820 --> 00:43:04.820 Some of the easiest things that you can do is just to source those people to find them. 00:43:04.820 --> 00:43:05.820 Right. 00:43:05.820 --> 00:43:06.820 And this is it. 00:43:06.820 --> 00:43:09.820 This is, this is, uh, you guys are getting candy in the lobby right now. 00:43:09.820 --> 00:43:09.820 Okay. 00:43:09.820 --> 00:43:10.820 This is everything I'm saying. 00:43:10.820 --> 00:43:12.820 He's usually behind some sort of paywall. 00:43:12.820 --> 00:43:13.820 I do like candy. 00:43:13.820 --> 00:43:18.820 Um, and so here's the thing that I tell pastors all the time. 00:43:18.820 --> 00:43:23.820 Just add one nerdy quote to pick your genre. 00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:24.820 I don't care what it is. 00:43:24.820 --> 00:43:27.820 Add one nerdy quote or reference to your sermon. 00:43:27.820 --> 00:43:31.820 Even if you don't know what it means, like ask somebody who does what would be a good thing. 00:43:31.820 --> 00:43:37.820 Maybe, you know, let them listen to your sermon a little bit and kind of help you add it in where, where it would fit the best. 00:43:37.820 --> 00:43:42.820 And then just see how many of those people come up to you and don't tell you how great you did pastor. 00:43:42.820 --> 00:43:46.820 And don't want to, you know, shake your hand and just be, be friendly to you, but go, I didn't. 00:43:46.820 --> 00:43:48.820 I had no idea that you like star Wars. 00:43:48.820 --> 00:43:50.820 What had it, when did that happen? 00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:53.820 Those people will start to come out because they'll feel comfortable. 00:43:53.820 --> 00:43:58.820 They'll see that representation of the thing that they are and they like to do. 00:43:58.820 --> 00:44:01.820 Like that's an easy way to just kind of source people. 00:44:01.820 --> 00:44:06.820 And what it does is it shows them that you're, even though you don't understand it, you're comfortable with it. 00:44:06.820 --> 00:44:16.820 Like Jeff, you've said a thousand times, man, you don't know anything about Twitch, but here you are on Twitch, like just stepping out and doing the thing. 00:44:16.820 --> 00:44:21.820 Chino mage above me, Andy here bringing people alongside of you that do know how to do that. 00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:25.820 That's actually what we're trying to do at the nerd culture ministry summit. 00:44:25.820 --> 00:44:28.820 Like we're giving away. 00:44:28.820 --> 00:44:29.820 This is man. 00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:31.820 I haven't told anybody this yet, except for our inner people. 00:44:31.820 --> 00:44:45.820 We're giving away one free ticket, all in thing that we're doing per organization that signs up so that you can bring somebody who speaks the language and understands it can help you interpret it and carry the vision back to your organization. 00:44:45.820 --> 00:44:58.820 So it's not just, we're trying to get people that come back and go, Oh, I don't know something about a pretendo, you know, some Mario Mario, like be able to carry the vision back and actually implement some of the steps. 00:44:58.820 --> 00:45:04.820 You know, I, I didn't put that together, uh, until you said it. 00:45:04.820 --> 00:45:07.820 My, my pastor, I attend a physical church here in Miami. 00:45:07.820 --> 00:45:08.820 It's a church plant. 00:45:08.820 --> 00:45:10.820 It's been open about a year, year and a half. 00:45:10.820 --> 00:45:11.820 It means in a movie theater. 00:45:11.820 --> 00:45:17.820 It's called reality, uh, reality church Miami, which has nothing to do with virtual reality and my involvement there. 00:45:17.820 --> 00:45:19.820 I didn't know if reality was over. 00:45:19.820 --> 00:45:20.820 No, no, no, no. 00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:21.820 It's nothing to do with that. 00:45:21.820 --> 00:45:23.820 I just, I, I run their tech. 00:45:23.820 --> 00:45:27.820 I like, you know, AVL stuff, but that's, I've been doing that for decades. 00:45:27.820 --> 00:45:34.820 Um, but my pastor Carlos is the biggest nerd when it comes to Lord of the Rings. 00:45:34.820 --> 00:45:40.820 Like three sermons out of four, he's going to pull a quote or a reference, um, from, from, from the movies. 00:45:40.820 --> 00:45:50.820 Like it's almost when he does it so much at this point, like he gets a laugh from the room because once again, he's, he pulled something, something from it. 00:45:50.820 --> 00:45:54.820 And, um, but that makes him so approachable. 00:45:55.820 --> 00:45:56.820 You know, it's interesting. 00:45:56.820 --> 00:46:05.820 I've, I've worked for another pastor, um, that actually like in his sermon, I'm not going to tell you what church, what pastor is relevant for this. 00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:11.820 Like he actually publicly ridiculed Yoda and was like, this is the stupidest thing. 00:46:11.820 --> 00:46:14.820 Literally like from the stage is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life with this man. 00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:19.820 And I'm, I'm not saying who I really, I'm not, I don't, I don't want to, I don't, I don't want to do that. 00:46:19.820 --> 00:46:23.820 But what that did is that caused it for me on staff. 00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:24.820 I'm like, are you kidding me right now? 00:46:24.820 --> 00:46:26.820 Like that's, that's half of my life. 00:46:26.820 --> 00:46:31.820 And I actually, you know, knew the guy and had a relationship with him. 00:46:31.820 --> 00:46:38.820 Some of the people that were passionate about some of this stuff, hearing him rip it negatively divided that. 00:46:38.820 --> 00:46:49.820 And so it's, it's so true trying to engage that culture, speak to it, or ask about it, learn about it, position yourself in a place of humility. 00:46:49.820 --> 00:47:02.820 You know, I use the term humble disruptor and we spent a lot of time on that in the past, but it's like, hey, you know what, do some radical stuff, but realize that you need to be humble while doing it and leading in this situation. 00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:05.820 And even for me saying, hey, publicly, I don't know this stuff. 00:47:05.820 --> 00:47:07.820 And I need to know it. 00:47:07.820 --> 00:47:08.820 I need to understand that. 00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:10.820 I need people to come alongside me with that. 00:47:10.820 --> 00:47:19.820 And Mark and Bubba and Andy and Megazor and so many others are just opening my eyes to what's already been happening in that space. 00:47:19.820 --> 00:47:24.820 And so now I don't have to tell stories about what could be, what discipleship could look like. 00:47:24.820 --> 00:47:36.820 I can tell stories of what Love Thy Nerd is doing and pointing to what they've already done, which by the way is multiple generations and things that are happening and growth and learnings. 00:47:36.820 --> 00:47:40.820 And like, this is not a fly-by-night approach. 00:47:40.820 --> 00:47:48.820 You know, it's to this point now when I talk about digital discipleship and like digital church, it's not an experiment. 00:47:48.820 --> 00:47:51.820 Like we are past the experiment stage. 00:47:51.820 --> 00:47:54.820 Yeah, we can try different things, but is this going to work? 00:47:54.820 --> 00:47:55.820 Yes. 00:47:55.820 --> 00:47:58.820 We're seeing the results of that and starting to understand that. 00:47:58.820 --> 00:48:00.820 This is so good. 00:48:00.820 --> 00:48:03.820 Hey, Bubba, Love Thy Nerd. 00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:06.820 So you're doing a conference in the fall. 00:48:06.820 --> 00:48:07.820 How do people sign up? 00:48:07.820 --> 00:48:08.820 How do people get connected? 00:48:08.820 --> 00:48:09.820 How do people help? 00:48:09.820 --> 00:48:11.820 Give me the spiel. 00:48:11.820 --> 00:48:14.820 If somebody wants to get connected into this, how do they do that? 00:48:15.820 --> 00:48:21.820 So the easiest thing to do right now is to follow Love Thy Nerd on all social media. 00:48:21.820 --> 00:48:28.820 We're in the process and at the end of February, we'll have a website for NCMS and we'll have social media and all that good stuff. 00:48:28.820 --> 00:48:33.820 We're just outside of our window for having that stuff ready to go right now. 00:48:33.820 --> 00:48:40.820 But if you follow at Love Thy Nerd on any major platform, we will not be able to shut up about it when we have information. 00:48:40.820 --> 00:48:41.820 I can guarantee you that. 00:48:41.820 --> 00:48:50.820 And so it's important for me to let people know kind of not just how you can do it, but kind of what its main focus is. 00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:56.820 So NCMS, as a summit, as a conference, whatever you want to call it, it doesn't matter, right? 00:48:56.820 --> 00:49:05.820 As an event, what it is designed to do is it's designed to create local ministry networks, okay? 00:49:05.820 --> 00:49:12.820 So we're going to be heavy hitting the marketing within 300 miles of where I am, give or take, right? 00:49:12.820 --> 00:49:21.820 So from where I am, that means Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, and even kind of out there towards the West Texas area. 00:49:21.820 --> 00:49:33.820 Now, everybody's invited, right? But the core thing that we're actually trying to accomplish is to create networks both in cities and in regions where people can actually be like, "Hey, I'm also doing that. 00:49:33.820 --> 00:49:36.820 Oh, I remember this person from here was also interested. 00:49:36.820 --> 00:49:41.820 We've got a network and, you know, list of contacts so that they're not doing things alone. 00:49:41.820 --> 00:49:43.820 They can find people to come alongside of them." 00:49:43.820 --> 00:49:46.820 And it doesn't have to be "Love Thy Nerd." It just doesn't. 00:49:46.820 --> 00:49:48.820 If they would like for it to be, it can be. 00:49:48.820 --> 00:49:55.820 But we want to put people that are close to them that are doing the same thing that have similar goals, create that network so that they can do ministry together. 00:49:55.820 --> 00:50:00.820 And then in 2024, Lord willing, and the creek don't rise, man. 00:50:00.820 --> 00:50:05.820 If it goes well in 2023, we will move NCMS out of Texas and into another region. 00:50:05.820 --> 00:50:09.820 And then 2025 into another region. Just replicate, replicate, replicate. 00:50:09.820 --> 00:50:17.820 So anybody from across the world is willing, that is willing to, is welcome to come and fly in. 00:50:17.820 --> 00:50:22.820 But we're thinking, "Man, how can we make it accessible to people that can just drive? 00:50:22.820 --> 00:50:24.820 How can we create those moments for them?" 00:50:24.820 --> 00:50:26.820 Yeah. 00:50:26.820 --> 00:50:29.820 The Church Digital, Digital Church Network, we want to be a part of this. 00:50:29.820 --> 00:50:32.820 So we'll talk through what that looks like. 00:50:32.820 --> 00:50:38.820 And there's definite opportunities, you know, to bring people in, to reproduce. 00:50:38.820 --> 00:50:42.820 I love your idea, "Hey, let's reproduce this beyond." 00:50:42.820 --> 00:50:43.820 Yeah. 00:50:43.820 --> 00:50:53.820 Anytime it's the idea of not growing something to be massive, but multiplying to allow more contextualization and easy access, like what you're talking about. 00:50:53.820 --> 00:50:58.820 It's such a good strategy in 2023 and beyond. 00:50:58.820 --> 00:51:01.820 So that is solid. 00:51:01.820 --> 00:51:03.820 Hey, I wanted to dig in on something. 00:51:03.820 --> 00:51:07.820 You said as a quick throwaway, I agree with you. 00:51:07.820 --> 00:51:10.820 It was probably the most controversial thing that's been said today. 00:51:10.820 --> 00:51:11.820 Ooh, let's go. 00:51:11.820 --> 00:51:13.820 The United States is post-Christian. 00:51:13.820 --> 00:51:14.820 Many people would disagree. 00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:17.820 Many people would disagree passionately. 00:51:17.820 --> 00:51:21.820 Many people would ardently fight that it is. 00:51:21.820 --> 00:51:22.820 There's lots of stats. 00:51:22.820 --> 00:51:25.820 There's lots of opinions, like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:51:25.820 --> 00:51:30.820 But we're definitely, I mean, I'm not saying, without argument. 00:51:30.820 --> 00:51:31.820 We're definitely trending. 00:51:31.820 --> 00:51:33.820 You're not hurting my feelings at all, man. 00:51:33.820 --> 00:51:34.820 You're trending. 00:51:34.820 --> 00:51:37.820 This is all completely like, nothing subjective. 00:51:37.820 --> 00:51:38.820 It's all subjective. 00:51:38.820 --> 00:51:39.820 Yeah. 00:51:39.820 --> 00:51:40.820 Yeah. 00:51:40.820 --> 00:51:43.820 I'm curious, what's your take? 00:51:43.820 --> 00:51:45.820 What's your why behind that? 00:51:45.820 --> 00:51:49.820 I agree with you, but I was curious because that's a pretty strong statement. 00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:51.820 It's statistics. 00:51:51.820 --> 00:51:54.820 I mean, that's kind of the leading thing. 00:51:54.820 --> 00:52:00.820 Anybody who does that, if you look at like, you know, the Barner Group and stuff like that, 00:52:00.820 --> 00:52:03.820 they're the ones that are kind of going out there and doing the sourcing. 00:52:03.820 --> 00:52:07.820 I haven't talked to nearly as many people as they have, right? 00:52:07.820 --> 00:52:10.820 I know the people that I know. 00:52:10.820 --> 00:52:14.820 And I know the people that I get to spend time with and experience. 00:52:14.820 --> 00:52:20.820 And inside of nerd culture, I can almost 100% tell you that we are a post-Christian. 00:52:21.820 --> 00:52:23.820 We're in a post-Christian timeframe. 00:52:23.820 --> 00:52:28.820 I'm not even going to talk about like geographically where we are, but just in time. 00:52:28.820 --> 00:52:30.820 It's very post-Christian. 00:52:30.820 --> 00:52:35.820 And so you think about like, it used to be the expectation that people go to church. 00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:37.820 It's Sunday, you go to church. 00:52:37.820 --> 00:52:38.820 It's Wednesday, you go to Bible study. 00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:40.820 It's Friday, you go to prayer group, whatever it is. 00:52:40.820 --> 00:52:42.820 Like that was the expectation. 00:52:42.820 --> 00:52:45.820 You can just look in schools, right? 00:52:45.820 --> 00:52:47.820 It didn't have to be just even in nerd culture. 00:52:47.820 --> 00:52:53.820 Like schools, they used to keep those times available for students because they were going to be in church. 00:52:53.820 --> 00:52:57.820 Hey, we don't have Wednesday night activities because that's church night. 00:52:57.820 --> 00:53:02.820 Now we're starting to kind of move more into, you know, a secular way of thinking. 00:53:02.820 --> 00:53:06.820 And, you know, there's a lot that can be talked about on that. 00:53:06.820 --> 00:53:10.820 And I'm more than willing to talk through things with people about that. 00:53:10.820 --> 00:53:21.820 But it's, it's not necessarily, I don't think it's, it's, it's a bad thing per se, because I'm not a huge proponent of, of, of a papal state. 00:53:21.820 --> 00:53:24.820 Um, you know, national religion of, of Christianity. 00:53:24.820 --> 00:53:35.820 I think that, and I talked about this a little bit, you know, last night, um, when I was speaking at Lux, that if we're going to be true worshipers of God, that that means that we have to, we have to sacrifice. 00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:45.820 And we're called to worship in spirit and truth and worshiping in spirit means that we become that living sacrifice that we die daily to the things that we want, the desires that we have. 00:53:45.820 --> 00:53:47.820 And everything that we knew before is gone. 00:53:47.820 --> 00:53:52.820 Um, you know, we, we leave away, we leave those, those thoughts, those patterns, those everything. 00:53:52.820 --> 00:53:59.820 But I don't condemn people that don't subscribe to my belief system. 00:53:59.820 --> 00:54:11.820 And I think that that's something that pushes us forward is that rather than me standing out on a corner and yelling at somebody or real talk, standing out in front of a convention and telling all the people going inside that they're going to hell. 00:54:11.820 --> 00:54:24.820 Um, instead of doing that, we meet them, hear their stories, love them well, and encourage them to, to be better than they are, which is something that every single person on the planet should be doing. 00:54:24.820 --> 00:54:31.820 Nobody is done cooking, not you, not me, not anybody like we're, we're a constant thing that is moving forward. 00:54:31.820 --> 00:54:34.820 And if we think that we can't change, then we're done. 00:54:34.820 --> 00:54:35.820 It's like sharks, man. 00:54:35.820 --> 00:54:37.820 Like if, if you're, if you're not moving, you're dead. 00:54:37.820 --> 00:54:50.820 And so that's kind of what I think of when I think of a, like a post-Christian society is that it doesn't really have anything to do with what I, what I think it is all based on what I have experienced. 00:54:50.820 --> 00:55:06.820 Um, and even inside of the church, I would say that we're, we're feeling the effects of a post-Christian society in that some of the decisions that we have been making as a body are just different than what would have been made 50 years ago. 00:55:06.820 --> 00:55:11.820 Um, and that's not just one particular topic that I'm sure a lot of people are thinking about. 00:55:11.820 --> 00:55:15.820 A lot of people are thinking about it is across the board in some places. 00:55:15.820 --> 00:55:18.820 And so, yeah. 00:55:18.820 --> 00:55:19.820 Yeah. 00:55:19.820 --> 00:55:24.820 It's a, and it's, it's almost recognizing that there's been a post-Christian shift. 00:55:24.820 --> 00:55:25.820 Mm-hmm. 00:55:25.820 --> 00:55:29.820 Allows for more creativity. 00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:30.820 Allows for more options. 00:55:30.820 --> 00:55:35.820 It allows us to recognize, hey, the model we've been running doesn't work. 00:55:35.820 --> 00:55:37.820 Maybe we should be doing something different. 00:55:37.820 --> 00:55:38.820 Mm-hmm. 00:55:38.820 --> 00:55:39.820 You know, it's interesting. 00:55:39.820 --> 00:55:41.820 I saw Blackcap, you know, say, "Bless them." 00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:49.820 Quite literally, the, the, the book that I wrote, well, the book that Dr. John and I wrote, well, the book that Dave Ferguson wrote, we just stole all his stuff. 00:55:49.820 --> 00:55:55.820 But, um, you know, sharingjesusonline.com about how to do something different. 00:55:55.820 --> 00:55:59.820 I love thy nerd, how to do something different. 00:55:59.820 --> 00:56:06.820 Like, and recognizing that if we are true, if we are truly in a post-Christian, I don't want to get into the sociology of that. 00:56:06.820 --> 00:56:07.820 Sure. 00:56:07.820 --> 00:56:13.820 Recognizing, like, whatever we've done for the past 25 years has lost us 25% of active church attenders. 00:56:13.820 --> 00:56:15.820 So, what we're doing is not working. 00:56:15.820 --> 00:56:18.820 And recognizing, hey, maybe we should do something different. 00:56:18.820 --> 00:56:21.820 Um, leaning into that. 00:56:21.820 --> 00:56:25.820 You know, and, and I'll hear, I'll hear the, I'll hear the, the church. 00:56:25.820 --> 00:56:27.820 Well, it's working for us still. 00:56:27.820 --> 00:56:27.820 Mm-hmm. 00:56:27.820 --> 00:56:31.820 And it's like, okay, you may be the one church in America that's still having success. 00:56:31.820 --> 00:56:32.820 Good for you. 00:56:32.820 --> 00:56:33.820 Yeah. 00:56:33.820 --> 00:56:35.820 Hopefully it stays that way for like the next 12 months. 00:56:35.820 --> 00:56:36.820 Mm-hmm. 00:56:36.820 --> 00:56:39.820 But, but the fact is, is that more and more of it's going away. 00:56:39.820 --> 00:56:40.820 You know what? 00:56:40.820 --> 00:56:41.820 I do believe this, Bubba. 00:56:41.820 --> 00:56:44.820 Um, I, I think that churches are going to get bigger. 00:56:44.820 --> 00:56:46.820 I think that churches are going to get smaller. 00:56:46.820 --> 00:56:50.820 I think the, the life churches, I was actually at Christ Fellowship, West Palm Beach. 00:56:50.820 --> 00:56:51.820 It's like 20,000. 00:56:51.820 --> 00:56:52.820 They got 15 campuses. 00:56:52.820 --> 00:56:55.820 Like churches like that will continue to thrive. 00:56:55.820 --> 00:56:56.820 Yep. 00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:59.820 But I think there is a completely different model that's going to be much more relational, 00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:01.820 much more small coming out of this. 00:57:01.820 --> 00:57:05.820 Um, much more digital, much more gaming, much more contextualized. 00:57:05.820 --> 00:57:06.820 Oh yeah. 00:57:06.820 --> 00:57:12.820 You're going to see a lot more smaller pockets operate that are multiplying out instead of, 00:57:12.820 --> 00:57:13.820 of growing. 00:57:13.820 --> 00:57:14.820 It was funny. 00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:19.820 Actually, uh, I was, I was listening to the, um, I was listening to one of the podcasts, 00:57:19.820 --> 00:57:20.820 Jay Cranda. 00:57:20.820 --> 00:57:21.820 I did a podcast with Jay Cranda. 00:57:21.820 --> 00:57:22.820 I ran instantly from Saddleback. 00:57:22.820 --> 00:57:28.820 And he was talking about how big churches actually want to better understand how to be 00:57:28.820 --> 00:57:34.820 small to be relational, which is entirely ironic because all the small churches want to 00:57:34.820 --> 00:57:36.820 grow as big as possible to be like that. 00:57:36.820 --> 00:57:37.820 Yes, sir. 00:57:37.820 --> 00:57:42.820 It's like nobody's understanding how to be who God's called them to be and operate in 00:57:42.820 --> 00:57:43.820 that space. 00:57:43.820 --> 00:57:46.820 And so some really, it'll be interesting in the future. 00:57:46.820 --> 00:57:47.820 This has been an awesome time, man. 00:57:47.820 --> 00:57:48.820 I, Bubba. 00:57:48.820 --> 00:57:49.820 Yeah. 00:57:49.820 --> 00:57:50.820 Bubba, why are you named Bubba? 00:57:50.820 --> 00:57:51.820 I want to know this as we're landing the plane. 00:57:51.820 --> 00:57:52.820 This is where we're going to land. 00:57:52.820 --> 00:57:53.820 This is going to wrap up on. 00:57:53.820 --> 00:57:54.820 It's good landing. 00:57:54.820 --> 00:57:56.820 Because when I look at you, you don't look like a Bubba. 00:57:56.820 --> 00:57:58.820 I don't redefine the genre, man. 00:57:58.820 --> 00:58:02.820 Even when you're in person, Bubba, I'm expecting, well, me, you know, six foot, 00:58:02.820 --> 00:58:05.820 huge, six, five, like you didn't seem to be a Bubba. 00:58:05.820 --> 00:58:06.820 Bubba in physical space. 00:58:06.820 --> 00:58:08.820 Like, why are you Bubba, Bubba? 00:58:08.820 --> 00:58:09.820 What does he look like? 00:58:09.820 --> 00:58:10.820 Like a Tim? 00:58:10.820 --> 00:58:11.820 A Mark? 00:58:11.820 --> 00:58:14.820 Hey, my brother's name is Tim. 00:58:14.820 --> 00:58:15.820 There you go. 00:58:15.820 --> 00:58:17.820 And I know a guy named Mark. 00:58:17.820 --> 00:58:18.820 This is crazy. 00:58:18.820 --> 00:58:21.820 Why am I Bubba? 00:58:21.820 --> 00:58:24.820 Well, I guess it all depends on who you ask. 00:58:24.820 --> 00:58:32.820 And so, if you ask the females in my family, it's because my sister could not say the name 00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:33.820 Michael. 00:58:33.820 --> 00:58:35.820 My name is Michael David Stalkup Jr. 00:58:35.820 --> 00:58:37.820 I have no problem with my given name. 00:58:37.820 --> 00:58:39.820 I just don't use it very often. 00:58:39.820 --> 00:58:40.820 Right? 00:58:40.820 --> 00:58:45.820 But in that time that I've had this name, nobody has called me Mike. 00:58:45.820 --> 00:58:47.820 A few people have called me Michael. 00:58:47.820 --> 00:58:51.820 Nobody's ever called me Dave or Davey or Junior or anything like that. 00:58:51.820 --> 00:58:54.820 I've been Bubba A1 since day one. 00:58:54.820 --> 00:59:00.820 If you ask the males in my family, it's because I am a junior and my dad was Bubba because 00:59:00.820 --> 00:59:03.820 they, my family came from Central Texas. 00:59:03.820 --> 00:59:04.820 Like that's, I didn't know that. 00:59:04.820 --> 00:59:06.820 But that's, that's where they came from. 00:59:06.820 --> 00:59:10.820 I was raised in, I was born in England as a, as an Air Force kid. 00:59:10.820 --> 00:59:14.820 And then I was raised in, you know, Eastern New Mexico. 00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:15.820 So I didn't know a whole lot of Bubbas. 00:59:15.820 --> 00:59:18.820 I knew like two other Bubbas period. 00:59:18.820 --> 00:59:21.820 You moved to Texas and everybody and everything is named Bubba. 00:59:21.820 --> 00:59:23.820 I've met, uh, women named Bubba. 00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:25.820 I've, everybody calls their kids, Bubba. 00:59:25.820 --> 00:59:28.820 Um, their husbands, Bubba, their dogs, their cats, everything. 00:59:28.820 --> 00:59:29.820 It's Bubba. 00:59:29.820 --> 00:59:30.820 Bubba. 00:59:30.820 --> 00:59:31.820 And so it's confusing. 00:59:31.820 --> 00:59:35.820 It was so confusing that I did not know that my name was Michael. 00:59:35.820 --> 00:59:38.820 When I went to kindergarten, they were calling role. 00:59:38.820 --> 00:59:39.820 And she said, Michael Stalkup. 00:59:39.820 --> 00:59:41.820 I was like, that's crazy, man. 00:59:41.820 --> 00:59:44.820 I got somebody here that has my same last name. 00:59:44.820 --> 00:59:47.820 And my teacher leans in and goes, sweetie, that's you. 00:59:47.820 --> 00:59:49.820 I'm like, oh, okay. 00:59:49.820 --> 00:59:50.820 We got to do better parents. 00:59:50.820 --> 00:59:52.820 We just have to, we just have to, you know. 00:59:52.820 --> 00:59:53.820 Typical Mike. 00:59:53.820 --> 00:59:54.820 Yeah. 00:59:54.820 --> 00:59:55.820 Just teach kids their names. 00:59:55.820 --> 00:59:56.820 It's not hard. 00:59:56.820 --> 00:59:58.820 By the way, uh, uh, at MetLTN, uh, 00:59:58.820 --> 01:00:01.820 is now going to be calling him Mike. 01:00:01.820 --> 01:00:02.820 So just heads up. 01:00:02.820 --> 01:00:03.820 Good luck. 01:00:03.820 --> 01:00:04.820 People have said that. 01:00:04.820 --> 01:00:05.820 Hey, can I call you Michael? 01:00:05.820 --> 01:00:07.820 You're willing to call me anything you want. 01:00:07.820 --> 01:00:11.820 Chances are, I'm just not going to respond because I've gone a very long time without hearing 01:00:11.820 --> 01:00:12.820 that name. 01:00:12.820 --> 01:00:15.820 Has your wife ever, ever called you Mike, like in a fit of anger? 01:00:15.820 --> 01:00:18.820 No, it's, it's still Bubba. 01:00:18.820 --> 01:00:19.820 And that's hilarious. 01:00:19.820 --> 01:00:20.820 Yeah. 01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:21.820 To other people. 01:00:21.820 --> 01:00:23.820 It's not hilarious to me when it happens. 01:00:23.820 --> 01:00:24.820 Yeah. 01:00:24.820 --> 01:00:26.820 Sweetie, get in here, get angry at me. 01:00:26.820 --> 01:00:27.820 I want to laugh. 01:00:27.820 --> 01:00:28.820 I want to laugh. 01:00:28.820 --> 01:00:30.820 That's, that's what we're saying right now. 01:00:30.820 --> 01:00:31.820 Let's get that. 01:00:31.820 --> 01:00:34.820 Matt at, or let Matt, Matt, make this happen. 01:00:34.820 --> 01:00:35.820 Yeah. 01:00:35.820 --> 01:00:38.820 Let's, uh, let's get Mike at LTN.com. 01:00:38.820 --> 01:00:39.820 Let's get the email address. 01:00:39.820 --> 01:00:40.820 You wouldn't even know how to do that. 01:00:40.820 --> 01:00:41.820 You wouldn't even know how to do that. 01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:42.820 You wouldn't even know how to do that. 01:00:42.820 --> 01:00:43.820 That's me right now. 01:00:43.820 --> 01:00:44.820 So, so good. 01:00:44.820 --> 01:00:47.820 Hey, listen, we're, we're going to land a plane. 01:00:47.820 --> 01:00:49.820 This has been, uh, it's been an awesome time. 01:00:49.820 --> 01:00:52.820 Remember Twitch family, Twitch people that are watching right now. 01:00:52.820 --> 01:00:54.820 Thanks for jumping on here. 01:00:54.820 --> 01:00:57.820 Click the follow, uh, on, uh, on this DCN channel. 01:00:57.820 --> 01:01:04.820 We're going to be doing this show interviews every week, uh, 3 PM Eastern, uh, right here 01:01:04.820 --> 01:01:09.820 at this channel, twitch.tv slash digital church network. 01:01:09.820 --> 01:01:11.820 I'm, I'm actually looking at my calendar right now. 01:01:11.820 --> 01:01:12.820 Cause I have no idea. 01:01:12.820 --> 01:01:13.820 Yeah. 01:01:13.820 --> 01:01:14.820 Who's next week. 01:01:14.820 --> 01:01:15.820 Jono. 01:01:15.820 --> 01:01:16.820 Oh. 01:01:16.820 --> 01:01:17.820 Jono. 01:01:17.820 --> 01:01:18.820 Yep. 01:01:18.820 --> 01:01:19.820 Jono. 01:01:19.820 --> 01:01:20.820 Next week we're digging into, into e-sports. 01:01:20.820 --> 01:01:21.820 Jono. 01:01:21.820 --> 01:01:26.820 Uh, digging in and learning about what church, what Jesus, what discipleship, what opportunities 01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:28.820 exist maybe in that space. 01:01:28.820 --> 01:01:31.820 Super excited about the conversations that are happening. 01:01:31.820 --> 01:01:32.820 There are 20 followers. 01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:33.820 Like, I don't, I don't know if that's good. 01:01:33.820 --> 01:01:36.820 We've had, you know, consistently 10 to 12 on the stream for this. 01:01:36.820 --> 01:01:37.820 Dude, we just launched this thing. 01:01:37.820 --> 01:01:38.820 This is, this is great. 01:01:38.820 --> 01:01:41.820 Uh, and so thank you for being on your podcasters. 01:01:41.820 --> 01:01:42.820 Those of you that are listening. 01:01:42.820 --> 01:01:43.820 Hey, you know what? 01:01:43.820 --> 01:01:44.820 If you're listening to Bubba. 01:01:44.820 --> 01:01:49.820 And Thursday, uh, 3 PM Eastern right here on, uh, on Twitch. 01:01:49.820 --> 01:01:50.820 We're going to be doing it again. 01:01:50.820 --> 01:01:52.820 We're going to be talking to Jono in real time. 01:01:52.820 --> 01:01:53.820 Bring questions. 01:01:53.820 --> 01:01:54.820 Let's hang out together. 01:01:54.820 --> 01:01:56.820 Thank you all for in the audience for jumping on. 01:01:56.820 --> 01:02:00.820 I hope I didn't screw this thing up too bad, but looking forward to doing it again. 01:02:00.820 --> 01:02:05.820 And so for Andy, for don't call him Bubba Mike. 01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:10.820 Uh, this is Jeff with Church Digital and Digital Church Network. 01:02:10.820 --> 01:02:11.820 And a whole bunch of other fun stuff. 01:02:11.820 --> 01:02:13.820 Thanks for jumping on the podcast. 01:02:13.820 --> 01:02:15.820 Thank you for jumping on the stream. 01:02:15.820 --> 01:02:16.820 We'll see you next time on the show. 01:02:16.820 --> 01:02:17.820 You have a good day. 01:02:17.820 --> 01:02:21.820 Did somebody actually click in? 01:02:21.820 --> 01:02:22.820 How do we, how do we stop this thing? 01:02:22.820 --> 01:02:26.820 We're still going because that's absolutely hysterical for people to hear this. 01:02:26.820 --> 01:02:31.820 Uh, I'm going to click finish and everyone's going to leave the stream, right? 01:02:31.820 --> 01:02:32.820 See Mother Goose gets it. 01:02:32.820 --> 01:02:33.820 Mother Goose 421. 01:02:33.820 --> 01:02:35.820 We could fix this in post. 01:02:35.820 --> 01:02:38.820 This is the best thing ever. 01:02:38.820 --> 01:02:39.820 Yep. 01:02:39.820 --> 01:02:40.820 We're just going to leave it. 01:02:40.820 --> 01:02:41.820 Wait, wait, hold on. 01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:42.820 Let's stream for 30 more seconds. 01:02:42.820 --> 01:02:43.820 Yeah. 01:02:43.820 --> 01:02:45.820 Mother Goose was actually my nickname in high school. 01:02:45.820 --> 01:02:46.820 Wait, what? 01:02:46.820 --> 01:02:47.820 Hold on. 01:02:47.820 --> 01:02:49.820 This is, this is the after the credits stinger. 01:02:49.820 --> 01:02:50.820 Like this is the app. 01:02:50.820 --> 01:02:51.820 This is the post show. 01:02:51.820 --> 01:02:53.820 This is the post show party. 01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:56.820 Nobody knows this about my life that that's interactive. 01:02:56.820 --> 01:03:01.820 I was, I was a, I was second team all state football, um, offensive line, defensive line. 01:03:01.820 --> 01:03:06.820 Um, but I was very, I mean, I was very pastoral as, as a football player. 01:03:06.820 --> 01:03:11.820 And so like I cared for people like, you know, it was funny to be honest. 01:03:11.820 --> 01:03:14.820 I actually, in hindsight, I hated football because I cussed like a sailor. 01:03:14.820 --> 01:03:16.820 Like, and it's what I hated about me. 01:03:16.820 --> 01:03:18.820 Like it's impossible to play football and not cuss. 01:03:18.820 --> 01:03:20.820 I truly, truly believe that. 01:03:20.820 --> 01:03:21.820 Uh, and I'm sorry. 01:03:21.820 --> 01:03:23.820 I've apologized to God many times for it. 01:03:23.820 --> 01:03:29.820 So anyway, but I was, I was, I was pastoral and caring, but dropping F-bombs regularly. 01:03:29.820 --> 01:03:35.820 And so, um, the football team, um, like I just, I was co-captain, had whatever. 01:03:35.820 --> 01:03:41.820 And, uh, this guy named Mike Ortego was, it was a linebacker, number 50 said, you know, 01:03:41.820 --> 01:03:44.820 one time I was like caring for somebody after they got like beat up, trying to pick him 01:03:44.820 --> 01:03:45.820 up, encourage him. 01:03:45.820 --> 01:03:49.820 And he's like, mother, uh, he said, mother goose, would you just shut up for once? 01:03:49.820 --> 01:03:50.820 Dude. 01:03:50.820 --> 01:03:51.820 Fuck. 01:03:51.820 --> 01:03:53.820 Mother goose for like two years. 01:03:53.820 --> 01:03:54.820 Huh? 01:03:54.820 --> 01:03:59.820 They're actually my, uh, somebody, somebody put in the yearbook printed in my senior yearbook. 01:03:59.820 --> 01:04:02.820 Uh, mother goose got his feathers ruffled. 01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:04.820 And so like, and it was in reference to, to me. 01:04:04.820 --> 01:04:06.820 Cause I ended up yelling at Mike about it. 01:04:06.820 --> 01:04:07.820 I was like back. 01:04:07.820 --> 01:04:10.820 So anyway, that's not what you wanted, but mother goose. 01:04:10.820 --> 01:04:12.820 Thank you for the four, two, one. 01:04:12.820 --> 01:04:13.820 Thank you for the flashback. 01:04:13.820 --> 01:04:15.820 Like I hadn't thought about that story in years. 01:04:15.820 --> 01:04:17.820 And you just, you took me there. 01:04:17.820 --> 01:04:18.820 Thank you. 01:04:18.820 --> 01:04:19.820 I appreciate that very much. 01:04:19.820 --> 01:04:22.820 Well, I think this is what you did by jumping on Twitch. 01:04:22.820 --> 01:04:24.820 Podcast people come hang out on Twitch. 01:04:24.820 --> 01:04:25.820 We learned something today. 01:04:25.820 --> 01:04:28.820 Number one, Mike stock up is going to be, uh, organizing something. 01:04:28.820 --> 01:04:34.820 Number two, mother at mother goose, underscore Jeff Reed, uh, is going to be joining Twitter 01:04:34.820 --> 01:04:35.820 here pretty soon. 01:04:35.820 --> 01:04:37.820 So stay tuned for that. 01:04:37.820 --> 01:04:39.820 I'm going to get a fake account. 01:04:39.820 --> 01:04:41.820 I, I have finally made it. 01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:42.820 Get on. 01:04:42.820 --> 01:04:43.820 I have a fake account. 01:04:43.820 --> 01:04:46.820 Somebody, somebody, somebody else put the time into that. 01:04:46.820 --> 01:04:47.820 Cause Lord knows I'm not. 01:04:47.820 --> 01:04:48.820 Absolutely. 01:04:48.820 --> 01:04:49.820 Awesome. 01:04:49.820 --> 01:04:50.820 All right. 01:04:50.820 --> 01:04:51.820 I'm going to click the finish button here.