WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.420 All right. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. Jeff Reed here, founder of the 00:00:03.420 --> 00:00:08.380 Church Digital, Digital Church Network. Oh, so much other fun stuff. We're doing a bonus episode 00:00:08.380 --> 00:00:12.720 this week. That's right. Even though we're in the middle of season four here of the Church Digital 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:19.400 Podcast, talking about Jesus, Gamers, and Church, we are going to do a bonus episode with a takeover. 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:26.580 We've been featuring over the past couple of weeks the Church Digital Podcast Network. We have 00:00:26.580 --> 00:00:31.900 a network of podcasts, a network of other content creators that are actively creating shows and 00:00:31.900 --> 00:00:36.260 content that's out there. And we're wanting to highlight them here through the podcast, bring 00:00:36.260 --> 00:00:41.720 awareness, maybe get you connected to another podcast that's talking about something you might 00:00:41.720 --> 00:00:46.580 be interested in. And so this week, we're going to get cool. We're going to get virtual. We're going 00:00:46.580 --> 00:00:52.460 to really get into the metaverse here. We're featuring Stunami and Goose. Now, if you're not 00:00:52.460 --> 00:00:58.020 in the cool, we're featuring Stuart McPherson and Michael Ustabenis. These are two, get this, 00:00:58.100 --> 00:01:02.740 these are two virtual reality pastors. Yes, there is such a thing as a virtual reality pastor. We've 00:01:02.740 --> 00:01:08.960 featured both of these guys on the TCD podcast over the years. But Stunami, Stuart, is the virtual 00:01:08.960 --> 00:01:15.500 reality pastor for Lakeland Church. And Goose, Michael Ustabenis, is at Cornerstone Yuba City in 00:01:15.500 --> 00:01:19.420 Cornerstone Yuba. Actually, he lives in Fort Lauderdale, Cornerstones in California. But that's 00:01:19.420 --> 00:01:25.860 a whole other conversation. These two experts in virtual reality ministry got together and said, 00:01:25.940 --> 00:01:30.760 hey, why don't we do a show together? And let me tell you, it's really good stuff. And so, hey, 00:01:30.880 --> 00:01:33.360 you know, here's what I want you to do as we're getting started. I'm going to put the link in the 00:01:33.360 --> 00:01:39.940 show notes to subscribe to their show. And so those of you that are really interested in virtual reality, 00:01:40.100 --> 00:01:43.600 ministry and virtual reality, I want you to go ahead and do this. I want you to click and I want you 00:01:43.600 --> 00:01:48.820 to subscribe to the podcast Metaverse Church, the Metaverse Church podcast. Subscribe right now. 00:01:48.880 --> 00:01:52.360 It's okay. We're going to get into their show here in about five seconds. We're going to pause 00:01:52.360 --> 00:01:56.920 long enough to let you click the link and subscribe to it. By the way, for more information on the 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:03.840 podcast network overall, go to thechurch.digital slash podcast. You can get information on Metaverse 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:08.220 Church as well as all the other shows that we're doing. But right now, I'm going to shut up and I'm 00:02:08.220 --> 00:02:14.340 going to go ahead and let Stunami and I'm going to let Goose take over here as they're doing the 00:02:14.340 --> 00:02:20.560 Metaverse Church podcast. Okay, everybody, here you go. Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:26.360 back to another episode of the Metaverse Church podcast. I am Stuart and with me as always is my 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:33.980 co-host Goose. And I say that again, Stunami is what I go by in the Metaverse world. And Goose, 00:02:34.100 --> 00:02:39.380 I may have said this already on another episode. We're starting to batch these episodes, which are 00:02:39.380 --> 00:02:44.460 awesome. But I hopped into some of the other platforms the other day, creating my accounts and 00:02:44.460 --> 00:02:50.440 just wanting to like solidify like, okay, eventually Lakeland is going to get into here. Lakeland VR is 00:02:50.440 --> 00:02:55.500 going to get into here. So let me start playing around and a little bit more. And I tried to 00:02:55.500 --> 00:03:00.740 change some of my names and some of those platforms that I was testing in because my go-to, like 00:03:00.740 --> 00:03:04.540 whenever I signed up for accounts, I was like SMCPherson88 because there's a whole bunch of 00:03:04.540 --> 00:03:11.460 Stuart McPherson's in the world apparently. Yeah. But dude, I got super bummed out because somebody 00:03:11.460 --> 00:03:18.400 straight up jacked my name in Horizon. Yeah. I tried to choose Stunami and I had to do 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:23.360 Stunami.VR. I was like, there's somebody out there rolling with my name right now. And 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:27.300 I've seen Highlander and there can only be one. So we're going to have to fight to the death, 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:35.320 the virtual death, the Metaverse death. My goodness. I did think, however, that was... Go ahead. 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:40.680 No, I mean, I guess if somebody other than you shows up to this podcast, I'll know that you 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:47.380 didn't make it. Yeah. True story. Although I did have somebody else mentioned as they were 00:03:47.380 --> 00:03:51.280 watching one of our episodes. So if you listen to the podcast, you don't know this at all. But those 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:55.960 of you who are watching on YouTube, I had somebody reach out and say, Hey, I love how you're blending 00:03:55.960 --> 00:04:00.320 into the map right now because the hoodie that I'm wearing currently is the same tone and color 00:04:00.320 --> 00:04:05.340 to the map of the world that I have behind me. And I was just like, dude, the world's just got my back. 00:04:05.340 --> 00:04:12.720 What can I say? I didn't even notice that. But yeah, there you go. He's right. 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:14.040 Where am I? Where's Stu? 00:04:15.920 --> 00:04:24.500 All right. What a way to kick off an episode. Yeah. So, hey, we always ask like a question right off 00:04:24.500 --> 00:04:29.360 the bat just to kind of set a tone, set a mood, kind of help people get to know us a little bit 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:35.180 better, all that kind of good stuff. But we're going to make a pivot on that. And it's still just 00:04:35.180 --> 00:04:40.740 like an opening question. But in our staff meetings at Lakeland, we love to ask a question 00:04:40.740 --> 00:04:46.640 just to really kick things off by saying, Hey, where, where do you see God working? What are some 00:04:46.640 --> 00:04:54.380 wins from this past week? So Goose in the metaverse world, where are you seeing God working? What wins 00:04:54.380 --> 00:05:00.740 are you seeing? Yeah, man, we had, we had an awesome, I'm like, yeah, I mean, definitely a win 00:05:00.740 --> 00:05:10.040 uh, this past week, uh, in VR chat, uh, pastor Jason was doing a, uh, his message, um, and had to do 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:17.580 with mental health. Uh, and, um, and you know, it's, it's been pretty packed, uh, you know, recently 00:05:17.580 --> 00:05:24.420 just even, even more of an uptick. So, you know, we're just, and it's been pretty, um, it's been 00:05:24.420 --> 00:05:30.620 pretty organized. Like we haven't had a lot of issues, but, um, but this past week we had 00:05:30.620 --> 00:05:35.860 a guy in there and initially couldn't really tell he was new. Um, he was there with another 00:05:35.860 --> 00:05:42.440 guy. Couldn't really tell what his deal was, was up near the front for a minute. And anyway, 00:05:42.440 --> 00:05:46.540 we kind of had his eye on our item, but then he just kind of sat there and listened. Well, 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:53.520 goes through the whole sermon. We go to Q and a, and you know, I, I asked, you know, anybody 00:05:53.520 --> 00:05:59.560 got any questions, any comments? And this guy raised his hand and he said, I got to tell you, 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:04.160 you know, I, I came in here to troll you guys when I knew that I found out there was 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:07.560 a church in here. That's like a legitimate church. I came in here to just mess with you 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:12.120 guys. But then when I heard what the guy was talking about, it actually resonated with me. 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:15.840 And I was wondering if I could ask you guys some questions and he proceeded to ask these 00:06:15.840 --> 00:06:19.540 really amazing questions about why he was the way he was. He was dealing with a lot of anger 00:06:19.540 --> 00:06:25.380 and negativity. And I mean, just really genuine questions. And, um, you know, we talked with 00:06:25.380 --> 00:06:30.060 him, explained it to him. You know, he did, you know, it wasn't like he had this like massive 00:06:30.060 --> 00:06:35.600 revelation and dedicated life to Christ on the spot, but, um, but seeds were planted. And that's, 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:39.140 that's, that's kind of our mantra. It's that, you know, it's kind of our focus is just planting 00:06:39.140 --> 00:06:45.820 seeds. Um, and man, like a seed was planted. And I, I really just, uh, you know, you never know, 00:06:45.820 --> 00:06:50.300 but it just, it just seems like it was planted in some fertile soil. At least it was, God was 00:06:50.300 --> 00:06:55.060 definitely tilling it a little bit. So those moments are awesome. Uh, very rarely do we get 00:06:55.060 --> 00:06:59.440 somebody to admit that you were coming into troll and right there, you know, we know what happens, 00:06:59.440 --> 00:07:04.460 but, um, most of the time they just leave this guy just stuck around. And so, so we'll see. I mean, 00:07:04.460 --> 00:07:08.720 I hope he comes back. I hope we get to talk with him some more. Cause he, he, uh, he really sounded 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:13.780 like a guy who was looking for answers. And so anyway, that, that to me, it's just one of those 00:07:13.780 --> 00:07:18.240 moments where it's like, man, that's why we're here. I mean, one of many reasons, but why we're 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:22.920 here is that we've got people who are antagonistic towards the church. And then all of a sudden when 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:29.880 they see that, like, Oh, it's not what I thought it was, their heart changes. And so it was beautiful. 00:07:30.200 --> 00:07:35.400 Uh, yeah, definitely one of those markers in the road where it's like with all the difficulties and 00:07:35.400 --> 00:07:39.820 the opposition that we may face, it's like, yeah, keep going. We're, you know, Lord's working. 00:07:40.180 --> 00:07:45.800 So that was a, that was a major win for us. Yeah. How about you? That's awesome. Uh, yeah. So I would 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:53.300 probably say, actually, I've had a couple of those moments within just the past week. So, um, you know, 00:07:53.300 --> 00:07:59.600 we do these, uh, Thursday night midweek replays is what we call them. So we, we take our, uh, Sunday 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:05.520 morning message and then I chop them down into bite-sized pieces, uh, in order to have like, 00:08:06.080 --> 00:08:10.400 here's who Lakeland is. And now here's some questions that we can ask in relation to what 00:08:10.400 --> 00:08:16.380 our senior pastor is talking about. And so it opens up the room for conversation. Um, and so, 00:08:16.380 --> 00:08:22.680 you know, in alt space where we're doing this, all of a sudden this guy comes in, um, and he's like, 00:08:23.020 --> 00:08:27.880 Hey, I know that you have this question up on the board. Um, and I don't really know that I have an 00:08:27.880 --> 00:08:36.580 answer for it, but I do have questions about faith in general. Um, and this is what I love. Like this 00:08:36.580 --> 00:08:41.660 is a dude that, um, I kicked off the night just saying, Hey, we got a lot of people in the event 00:08:41.660 --> 00:08:47.060 tonight, more so than usual. I'm assuming that's because of alt space shutting down. Um, but I said, 00:08:47.060 --> 00:08:51.660 I just, I just want to know where everybody's at. And so homeboy's coming from Scotland and now he's 00:08:51.660 --> 00:08:58.200 interacting with me in Wisconsin. Um, and I was just like, yeah, man, ask your question. Like we 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:02.860 don't even have to focus on what's happening over here up on the screen. Like, let's, let's just go 00:09:02.860 --> 00:09:09.880 ahead and go, uh, where you want to go. And he was just like, you know, I, I, I'm not really religious 00:09:09.880 --> 00:09:17.200 per se. Um, but I find myself in a very dark spot. Like I would say like a bottom of a pit face, 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:22.720 face, face bottom, face down on the bottom. Um, and, uh, he's like, all I know is like, 00:09:22.740 --> 00:09:28.880 I meet people who are religious and they seem to have like a hope that I just don't have. And he 00:09:28.880 --> 00:09:36.560 says, or I come across people who I know personally in my life that, um, they've, they were in the same 00:09:36.560 --> 00:09:43.340 spot that I find myself now. And then all of a sudden they got religion and hit, that was his way 00:09:43.340 --> 00:09:48.020 saying like Christianity. Like he came to faith, they came to faith in Jesus. So he would say they 00:09:48.020 --> 00:09:53.940 got religion and all of a sudden, like, I resonate with where they were at because that's where I'm 00:09:53.940 --> 00:09:58.980 at now. But then they're like completely different. And he's like, it doesn't make sense to me. And I 00:09:58.980 --> 00:10:03.560 just, I have questions like, like they've got something that I don't have. And I would love to 00:10:03.560 --> 00:10:09.560 kind of understand that a little bit better. Um, I was like, cool. Like, yeah, let's, let's hang out 00:10:09.560 --> 00:10:14.440 here for a little bit and let's just address, uh, what questions you have in that realm. And so 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:20.180 it turned out to be a really sweet conversation, you know, an hour long, uh, event that we host 00:10:20.180 --> 00:10:26.800 in all space. I think I ended up being with that dude from like 7 30 PM to 10 PM just talking, um, 00:10:26.800 --> 00:10:35.520 which was really, really cool. But, uh, at the same time, um, that then happened again yesterday as 00:10:35.520 --> 00:10:42.080 we do alpha in all space. And this guy came in and for him, he was asking a whole bunch of 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:49.060 like a religious space questions. Um, but the way that he, the approach that he was coming from was 00:10:49.060 --> 00:10:55.200 that he is religious. Um, but he just kinda, he's like, I'll take this. Cause I like that. I'll take 00:10:55.200 --> 00:11:00.900 this from over here. Cause I like that one, all that kind of stuff. And, um, and so he was just 00:11:00.900 --> 00:11:07.380 kind of pushing in a nice way, but he was kind of pushing back against what I was saying from the 00:11:07.380 --> 00:11:11.500 Christian perspective. And like at one point in time, he asked me, and I loved this question. 00:11:11.800 --> 00:11:19.660 He says, um, would you say that your perspective is from a religious perspective or from a historical 00:11:19.660 --> 00:11:27.340 perspective? I was like, ah, what a fun question. And I said, I would say that my perspective is coming 00:11:27.340 --> 00:11:36.120 from both because my faith is historic. It's not some kind of fictional, you know, some fairy 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:44.680 God or anything like that. And so then he, like, he goes from that question to asking, um, uh, 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:51.060 oh man, what was it? He goes, oh, because his opinion is that there is one God and all roads 00:11:51.060 --> 00:11:56.880 lead to that one God. Um, and, uh, I, he says to me, 00:11:57.340 --> 00:12:04.480 he's like, so what's your Zodiac sign? I was like, oh, sweet. Okay. Like, I'm glad that you asked me 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:07.580 this question. And I said, so here's, here's the thing. I was like, dude, I don't believe in the 00:12:07.580 --> 00:12:12.740 Zodiac like at all. Like, and he's like, well, but your faith, like Christian faith, like you, 00:12:12.940 --> 00:12:17.820 like they followed the star in order to find Jesus. So you, like your faith has to have something to do 00:12:17.820 --> 00:12:22.060 with the stars and all that kind of stuff. And I was like, see, here's the thing is you're coming 00:12:22.060 --> 00:12:30.160 from a perspective that the star, like the created thing, um, is God versus God who is creator. Um, 00:12:30.340 --> 00:12:36.440 and so it just like the, the fun questions. And I tell people who, um, are interested in virtual 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:42.280 reality ministry, like what, like, what are some of like the fruits that come of it? And I tell people 00:12:42.280 --> 00:12:45.280 all the time, I was like, you're going to come across people who don't believe what you believe 00:12:45.280 --> 00:12:49.160 in and they'll fight against you. You're also going to come across people who do believe what you 00:12:49.160 --> 00:12:53.500 believe in and they'll rally around you. I said, but you're also going to come across people that, 00:12:53.500 --> 00:12:59.500 um, they think they believe what you believe in and you end up finding out that they, or, or that 00:12:59.500 --> 00:13:05.240 they don't believe what you believe in, but they do so because they have a miss under or a misconceived 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:13.180 understanding of who Jesus is. And because of that, um, they either think that they're on your team 00:13:13.180 --> 00:13:18.300 or they think they're completely against it. And when you start like breaking apart the, 00:13:18.300 --> 00:13:23.640 the misconceptions of who Jesus is and the misconceptions of, uh, Christianity, all of a 00:13:23.640 --> 00:13:30.020 sudden I almost every single time I've had somebody go, I like that. That makes more sense. I'm like, 00:13:30.140 --> 00:13:38.480 yeah, yeah, yeah. So, um, so I, and I'll share this one last story because it segues really well 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:45.500 into, uh, what we're talking about today. But, uh, in big screen again, around the same topic, 00:13:45.500 --> 00:13:53.600 doing alpha, I had a couple of guys hop in, into that environment and again, brought in their, 00:13:53.600 --> 00:14:03.420 um, their version of Christianity. Yeah. And, uh, it was just, it was such a sweet conversation 00:14:03.420 --> 00:14:12.160 just because like, I had to, in a, in a grace and truth filled way. There are just some things where 00:14:12.160 --> 00:14:17.700 that what they were saying was, well, I believe this and I believe, you know, X, Y, Z. Like, 00:14:17.760 --> 00:14:24.780 again, one of those statements of like, I believe, uh, all paths will lead to heaven. And I believe in 00:14:24.780 --> 00:14:29.820 Jesus. And I just told him, I was like, you do understand like your statement of, I believe in 00:14:29.820 --> 00:14:34.860 Jesus that like the Jesus of the Bible and all paths lead to heaven. I was like, dude, that, 00:14:34.940 --> 00:14:40.800 that contradicts itself. Like they don't play in the same realm. And as long as you call yourself 00:14:40.800 --> 00:14:47.980 a Bible believing Christian and you tell people that you're confusing people and you're leading people 00:14:47.980 --> 00:14:55.660 further away and closer to hell each time. So I love the opportunity that VR provides for me to 00:14:55.660 --> 00:15:01.260 just have conversations that I would never have because homeboy from Scotland's never coming into 00:15:01.260 --> 00:15:06.820 Lakeland and Wisconsin and wherever those guys were in, uh, big screen probably will never come 00:15:06.820 --> 00:15:15.640 to, uh, Lakeland, but it's a way of making a massive world super small and being able to, again, 00:15:15.640 --> 00:15:19.880 like you said, plant seeds. And I told him, I was like, dude, uh, the guy that was in the 00:15:19.880 --> 00:15:24.960 alt space alpha, uh, event, I told him, I was like, dude, my goal is not to get you to be from here 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:29.660 all the way over here in this event. I said, but if I can plant something that helps him move the 00:15:29.660 --> 00:15:34.040 needle a little bit more to you understanding who Jesus is and choosing Jesus, I was like, 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:38.760 that to me is a win. And if somebody else ends up being the reason why you give your life to Jesus, 00:15:38.860 --> 00:15:44.460 so be it. But at least as you guys would say, a seed was planted here. So yeah, that's good. 00:15:44.460 --> 00:15:49.280 That's good. You, you bring, you bring up something that we, we, we haven't really touched on because 00:15:49.280 --> 00:15:54.360 it's, it's platform agnostic, but it's probably a good caveat to anybody thinking about coming into 00:15:54.360 --> 00:16:08.240 the space, uh, which is, um, how frustrating it can be to, um, see how many people fancy themselves 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:13.920 a theologian simply because they, um, watch YouTube or Tik TOK and have a headset. 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:22.560 And, um, it's something that we've actually had to really sort of like, um, work through as a team 00:16:22.560 --> 00:16:32.580 because so, so many of us do care about sound doctrine. Um, but you know, especially in, um, 00:16:32.880 --> 00:16:39.340 in like places like VR chat, but it's, it's, it's everywhere, but, but it's happened mostly in VR 00:16:39.340 --> 00:16:45.540 chat, which is, um, you know, you know, the, you know, the, the guy that you talk to with the all 00:16:45.540 --> 00:16:51.080 roads lead to heaven and, you know, yet, yet like, you know, proclaims to be a Christian. I mean, 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:56.960 there's nothing stopping that guy from, you know, putting up a simple world, calling it a church 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:04.900 and calling himself a pastor or bishop or whatever. And nobody, not like the, the, most of the people 00:17:04.900 --> 00:17:12.580 that are out there don't know that that guy isn't, isn't actually an ordained pastor, doesn't actually 00:17:12.580 --> 00:17:19.920 have education, doesn't actually preach sound doctrine. And, um, and, and so it can be kind of 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:24.020 frustrating. It can be very frustrating. And, but then there's also just like, well, we can't do 00:17:24.020 --> 00:17:28.840 anything about that. We like, we can't worry about that. It's they're out there, whether we like it or 00:17:28.840 --> 00:17:33.020 not. And to be fair, I mean, there are brick and mortar churches that do the same thing. And so it's 00:17:33.020 --> 00:17:38.900 not like we can just go, we don't want, we're not called to be the gatekeeper of that, but it's just 00:17:38.900 --> 00:17:45.460 more in your face because, because it's the metaverse, it's like they're opening that building up 00:17:45.460 --> 00:17:52.700 literally next door to your church. And like, everybody sees the two crosses and think, you know, 00:17:52.800 --> 00:17:56.620 the, the, the thought is like, well, we don't want to be, we don't want to get lumped in with that. 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:04.480 Right. Like, you know, like, like you guys as, as cornerstone is a, it's a church with, with 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:10.580 church hierarchy and a structure and, you know, legitimate pastors who have dedicated their life 00:18:10.580 --> 00:18:15.760 to the craft and have an in-person congregation that they, that they shepherd all of that. And, 00:18:15.860 --> 00:18:20.880 and then we are also doing it in the metaverse, but you put that, you put Lakeland and cornerstone 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:28.280 next dude, like dude in his basement with a, with a headset and, and a YouTube and, and it was just 00:18:28.280 --> 00:18:33.820 like, well, there's no difference in terms of the optics. There's a big difference between the, 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:39.220 what, what is it, what, you know, what is church and what isn't. And so, so that is, I mean, 00:18:39.220 --> 00:18:42.960 it's just like sort of a caveat that we're like, if, if someone's coming into this space, 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:48.080 you just kind of be prepared for the frustration of having to sort of wade through a lot of that 00:18:48.080 --> 00:18:52.700 or put up with a lot of that. And then a lot of them make their way over. A lot of them will make 00:18:52.700 --> 00:18:56.740 their way over and actually claim we're the ones that are wrong. I don't know if you've had that 00:18:56.740 --> 00:19:03.360 experience or not. Um, yeah, I'm sure you have. Um, and, and so it's just a weird, you know, 00:19:03.360 --> 00:19:09.760 again, again, just as like, that's not typical in a brick and mortar church. It's not typical for 00:19:09.760 --> 00:19:15.700 like some pastor of pastor of another quote unquote church. It's like walking your doors 00:19:15.700 --> 00:19:20.920 and be like, you guys are preaching heresy. It doesn't generally happen. Um, but here in the 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:27.660 metaverse, like, yeah, that's, that's actually not strange anymore. So yeah, a little caveat about 00:19:27.660 --> 00:19:31.240 coming into the meta metaverse ministry, just to get to deal with some weird stuff sometimes. 00:19:31.840 --> 00:19:40.160 Yeah, for sure. So talking about weird stuff, we're doing our final deep dive today. And we are 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:47.620 talking about the platform known as big screen. Uh, and, uh, you and I talked off air on this one, 00:19:47.660 --> 00:19:53.240 that this is, you know, we talked about like VR chat and we talked about rec room. And I was like, 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:58.800 we're probably, I'm probably going to lean heavy on goose's answers to this one. And this is the one 00:19:58.800 --> 00:20:04.040 where you were saying, we're probably going to lean heavy on what my experience is within big 00:20:04.040 --> 00:20:08.200 screen. Cause I've been playing in there, not, not long. Uh, but we've been in there, we've hosted a 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:17.240 couple of different events. Our first go at it was probably, uh, back in August, I guess is when I 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:23.080 started messing on big screen a little bit. So, um, yeah, so I guess let's start here. 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:27.480 Because eventually there's gotta be this shift of like, you're doing the question asking and whatnot. 00:20:27.700 --> 00:20:34.960 So I'll do a simple lob to you of a question that you can answer as briefly or quickly or long as you 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:42.160 want. Um, and then we can reverse roles on this. But, uh, so what is, what does goose know about big 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:50.760 screen? I know you, I know it's heavily video based. I mean, it's not, no, not blowing the lid off of 00:20:50.760 --> 00:20:58.940 that. It's that's the name. Um, so primarily targeted at people who want to watch videos 00:20:58.940 --> 00:21:06.060 together. And so, um, that's, uh, it's one main reason why we haven't really even ever considered 00:21:06.060 --> 00:21:12.160 it. Um, because it's, it's not, you know, video for us or screen, the screen for us is, is ancillary 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:16.640 to what we do. So, um, we just haven't, haven't really taken a look at it. So that's it. I mean, 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:20.780 that's the main thing that I know. The only other thing I know is that I think there's a cap of 15 a 00:21:20.780 --> 00:21:25.660 room, although I could be totally wrong about that, but those are the two things that I know about it. 00:21:25.660 --> 00:21:32.700 And I'm curious about your experience and, and yeah. So, uh, yeah. So let me, I'll kick it back 00:21:32.700 --> 00:21:38.720 to you. Uh, what about that? Do I have correct or, or, or not? And if you've been in some August, 00:21:38.820 --> 00:21:43.520 what, yeah, what's your impression? I know we do the, what's good and what's bad, but like, um, 00:21:43.700 --> 00:21:47.500 you know, what, what's your impression about it and what do you, and how do you feel about it 00:21:47.500 --> 00:21:50.780 moving forward, especially in light of what, uh, with, with the all space news? 00:21:51.460 --> 00:21:58.560 Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, um, all space news came out and I had, and the only way that I knew 00:21:58.560 --> 00:22:02.880 that, uh, all space was closing down. It wasn't because I opened up my email and I saw it, but it 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:08.360 was actually, my phone was blowing up discord related wise, which is other pastors reaching out 00:22:08.360 --> 00:22:12.240 and people who have attended Lakeland VR, just asking like, Hey, what are you guys going to do? 00:22:12.320 --> 00:22:17.360 What's your next step? What do you think that we should do? And, um, I was like, what I think is 00:22:17.360 --> 00:22:24.980 sweet is because I had been investigating the other platforms and whatnot. The reality was, um, I was 00:22:24.980 --> 00:22:28.240 able to say it right then and there, like if all space would have decided that they were shutting 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:33.920 down that day, Lakeland VR wouldn't have missed a beat because we would have just launched right 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:38.200 into big screen and started hosting our service. And there, um, 00:22:38.360 --> 00:22:44.540 so like, what's good about it is it's super user friendly. Um, they have two different, 00:22:44.600 --> 00:22:47.620 uh, they probably have more than this. I just haven't played around with the other ones. 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:52.240 So like you can upload files into big screen if you want to like video files and whatnot. 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:59.760 Um, but then there is, you can stream YouTube right from the room that you're hosting from. So if I 00:22:59.760 --> 00:23:06.840 wanted to write into big screen, host a room, opening it up to the public, and then from inside the app, 00:23:06.840 --> 00:23:12.260 I can just click the YouTube button, type in Lakeland community church and boom, the live stream 00:23:12.260 --> 00:23:17.900 service is right there playing for everybody to see. So that's a sweet feature. If you're streaming your 00:23:17.900 --> 00:23:28.400 service, um, or a playback, um, the other way that you do it is they have a remote desktop, uh, app. 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:36.180 So it only works with, uh, windows, which is hard. So like I'm a Mac person all the way through. 00:23:36.340 --> 00:23:43.040 So it forced me to go out and buy a, uh, a surface pro. Um, but you just download the big screen 00:23:43.040 --> 00:23:49.500 app, uh, onto your computer and you connect it with your headset and, uh, it does all of its 00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:54.140 linking up and it acknowledges, Hey, there's this headset that's connected with this name. Here's 00:23:54.140 --> 00:24:01.360 this desktop, um, that's now logged in. And then you inside the app, you say, uh, you know, 00:24:01.360 --> 00:24:08.560 like host room, um, uh, remote desktop, you click that and then it acknowledges that these 00:24:08.560 --> 00:24:14.280 two platforms are now connected with each other. So from within the app itself in the headset, 00:24:14.280 --> 00:24:21.020 I can control my desktop so I can show people slides. I can show people, I can go to any website 00:24:21.020 --> 00:24:24.300 that I want to, which is really scary when you think about it. And I've heard that's how people 00:24:24.300 --> 00:24:31.800 have utilized it, um, or, you know, horrible things, if you will, but it's, it's literally 00:24:31.800 --> 00:24:36.680 designed for streaming. It's designed for gather together with your friends and watch a movie. 00:24:37.060 --> 00:24:42.000 It's designed for gather with your friends and play video games with each other all in one 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:47.780 room streaming on this big screen that you guys are, you know, experiencing together. Um, 00:24:47.860 --> 00:24:54.020 so I've used it both ways. Um, I've used it for just streaming in our live stream 00:24:54.020 --> 00:25:02.320 service into a big screen and I've used it for, uh, alpha where I use the remote desktop and I was 00:25:02.320 --> 00:25:09.180 going through my slide deck of our spliced videos, spliced questions. Um, so there's some 00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:17.720 really neat features in that, uh, that gives you a lot of leeway and a lot of play. Um, I will say 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:26.860 the 15 person cap, uh, is a real thing and that makes it hard. Now that also is dependent on who 00:25:26.860 --> 00:25:32.500 you are and your experience within virtual reality. So I say that, and I don't know that 00:25:32.500 --> 00:25:38.840 we as Lakeland, we've barely, I'll say it this way. We very rarely, rarely at Lakeland VR have had 00:25:39.020 --> 00:25:46.100 more than 15 people in an event at a time. Now we've had way more people attend an event, but peak 00:25:46.100 --> 00:25:52.960 user, somebody who like the amount of people in at one time, um, we've, we've very rarely have gotten 00:25:52.960 --> 00:26:01.600 that we have, but very rarely. Um, so I'm not too concerned about that cap limit right now. Um, 00:26:01.600 --> 00:26:10.960 what I have asked of my team moving forward is as we go into big screen, if we hit the cap for a room, 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:18.620 then I send out two team members to host a room and then they just stream the service themselves, 00:26:18.620 --> 00:26:24.500 um, in their environment. So then you'll see a Lakeland VR and then another Lakeland VR on their 00:26:24.500 --> 00:26:33.980 event board. Um, there's that, that in itself is a good and bad. They have an event board is not like 00:26:33.980 --> 00:26:43.040 alt space event board. So, uh, on that, but there is an event board in the say in the, and just in, 00:26:43.040 --> 00:26:49.820 in the fact that I host a room, I make it public and anybody who's on the app, they can scroll through 00:26:49.820 --> 00:26:57.460 all the public events that are currently going on, um, and see Lakeland VR description of what 00:26:57.460 --> 00:27:04.360 and then they can enter into it. So no world building, uh, for it. It's, they have their 00:27:04.360 --> 00:27:09.920 host rooms and they've got a pretty sweet list of host rooms. So you could be like around a campfire. 00:27:10.060 --> 00:27:14.060 You could be at a drive-in movie theater. You could be in your living room. You could be in an 00:27:14.060 --> 00:27:18.960 apartment. You could be on a balcony. You could be in like a sci-fi movie theater. You could be in a 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:25.680 traditional movie theater. Oh, wow. That's a lot. There's a, there's, there's a list of opportunities 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:35.160 for it. So, um, how's the traffic? Yeah. So traffic wise, uh, it's about 10 times the amount 00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:41.960 of what alt space had for peak users. Um, I mean, at any given time I would probably say I see 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:49.440 10 rows of events going on at a time. And I think each row is three. So you're talking 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:54.960 about 30 different events usually going on at a time. And I would probably say out of those 30 00:27:54.960 --> 00:28:04.560 different events, just in the events, I'd probably say are 70 to 80 people, but that doesn't include, 00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:08.840 they do have a lobby space. And so there's a lobby space that people hang out into. 00:28:09.980 --> 00:28:16.440 So that's good. So I know, again, I know you're, you've been in it a little while, not maybe not, 00:28:16.580 --> 00:28:21.180 you know, neither of us as long as it's all space or anything like that. So, but I'll ask you at least 00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:31.400 for your impressions right now in terms of the way that people consume it. Um, it sounds like mostly 00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:41.860 it's at least designed for people to, uh, kind of have a pre set meeting to go and do something. 00:28:41.860 --> 00:28:45.380 You know, if, if me and my buddies are going to go play games, we're going to coordinate that ahead 00:28:45.380 --> 00:28:50.260 of time and then go in. If me and my friends want to watch a movie together, I assume sports are a 00:28:50.260 --> 00:28:53.840 thing on there. You know, these are scheduled things that we would probably coordinate ahead 00:28:53.840 --> 00:29:00.320 of time and then head in, as opposed to something like alt space or a VR chat, where it's like, 00:29:00.360 --> 00:29:03.800 I'm going in, I don't necessarily know what I'm going to do or who I'm going to talk to. 00:29:03.860 --> 00:29:07.380 I'm going to world hop a little bit. I'm going to go in and then see what's going on 00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:12.740 and make a determination as to what I want to do based on what's what I find when I get in there. 00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:20.760 Um, is that accurate? Is that how people consume this or are there people, uh, or, and I say, 00:29:20.820 --> 00:29:24.660 is there a significant amount of people who are just saying, you know what, tonight I'm going to 00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:28.100 go in big screen. I don't know what I'm going to watch. I'm going to just find something interesting. 00:29:28.100 --> 00:29:33.040 I'm going to world hop. And, and then, you know, what's your, what's your impression of that? 00:29:33.760 --> 00:29:37.440 Yeah, I'd probably say the latter. I'd probably say that somebody who's saying, I'm just going to 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:42.800 throw on the headset, go into big screen and whatever there is, is what there is. Um, and 00:29:42.800 --> 00:29:49.360 I'm just going to partake and find whatever is streaming. So like I did it for the, uh, uh, 00:29:49.360 --> 00:29:54.020 the college, the national college football championship. I threw on the headset and I was just 00:29:54.020 --> 00:29:58.540 like, well, let me go to a big screen. I can almost guarantee somebody is streaming the national 00:29:58.540 --> 00:30:02.720 championship. And there were probably four or five rooms that people were streaming it. And what was 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:10.060 cool was like, I could tell based off of the event board, uh, who was going for who per room. It was 00:30:10.060 --> 00:30:16.620 like, Georgia dogs, TCU frogs, you know, hypno toad or, you know, dog down or whatever. I was like, 00:30:16.620 --> 00:30:19.580 okay, I know that I'm about to walk into an environment where these people are going for 00:30:19.580 --> 00:30:24.900 whichever team. Um, so I would say that it's more like I'm going to throw on a headset and 00:30:24.900 --> 00:30:28.000 I'm just going to bounce around and see whatever there is. See if there's something that catches 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:37.380 your attention. That's great. Okay. Um, so then with that said, um, would you say that 00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:43.900 big screen is now the best candidate for a church to start out in? 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:54.180 If a new church is coming in, um, I mean, the ease of live stream, uh, you know, sort of, 00:30:54.220 --> 00:30:58.940 I mean, it sounds actually easier than even all space. I mean, all space was relatively easy, 00:30:58.940 --> 00:31:04.040 but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't perfect and it wasn't like necessarily out of the box. Easy. 00:31:04.280 --> 00:31:11.760 This sounds like it's out of the box. Easy. Um, how are the moderation controls? And, um, 00:31:11.760 --> 00:31:23.420 um, and then, uh, Oh, and, and if someone wanted to do live teaching, could they do it? So, sorry, 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.560 I threw, I threw a bunch at you. So you take any and all of those and yeah. 00:31:28.120 --> 00:31:33.160 Yeah, no, that's great. So, um, if somebody wanted to do live teaching in there, a hundred percent 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.620 could do it. Uh, in fact, I've even seen some events that are set up that are just called, 00:31:37.620 --> 00:31:40.040 um, religious talk and chill. 00:31:40.040 --> 00:31:45.060 So like they're not planning on streaming anything. They're just gathering in there to 00:31:45.060 --> 00:31:49.940 have a conversation with people. And again, I think of it like a small group, like, like it's a great 00:31:49.940 --> 00:31:54.360 small group environment of like, Hey, we're in a living room. Like it's super cozy. You can actually 00:31:54.360 --> 00:32:00.260 control, control the lights in the room. So if you want it light brighter or dimmer, like you have full 00:32:00.260 --> 00:32:08.620 control of that kind of stuff within the room. Um, I would say it is now the, if a church is wanting 00:32:08.620 --> 00:32:16.840 to get into this and they're wanting to do it, how we do it at Lakeland VR was streaming a service. 00:32:17.080 --> 00:32:25.540 This is without a doubt, the easiest platform to get into and run at this point. Anybody could do it. 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:33.200 Um, now, um, now interesting. And, and you asked the question about how the moderation controls. 00:32:34.500 --> 00:32:39.960 What was nice about alt space for us to launch into it is it provided us the opportunity to do 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:46.660 how we felt led to run service, which we went through many different iterations of how we ran service. 00:32:46.660 --> 00:32:53.120 We started with live teaching. We did like a clubhouse, like we're bringing in a topic. We'll 00:32:53.120 --> 00:32:58.100 open up the floor for conversation. And then eventually we got into the streaming style that 00:32:58.100 --> 00:33:05.060 we're doing now. Um, but what was nice about all spaces, you had all control. You could kick 00:33:05.060 --> 00:33:10.700 whoever you want. You can mute whoever you want. Uh, you had a raise hand feature. So like you can 00:33:10.700 --> 00:33:15.640 amplify voices, you can lower voices, all that kind of stuff. Fantastic. When it came to moderation, 00:33:15.980 --> 00:33:23.500 probably the best platform for moderation control, all space. My opinion, uh, you're more than welcome 00:33:23.500 --> 00:33:35.820 to disagree. No, agreed. Agreed. Big screen is horrible. Oh boy. Horrible. So while it is easy for, 00:33:35.820 --> 00:33:43.260 it would be the great first step for any church to get into my, uh, uh, word of caution for anybody 00:33:43.260 --> 00:33:51.500 going into big screen would be your trolls are through the roof. Really through the roof. There 00:33:51.500 --> 00:33:56.900 are, uh, I just had a conversation with somebody the other day that, uh, the way that they described 00:33:56.900 --> 00:34:03.600 it is big screen is going to be the platform for trolls. Like people who literally just throw on the 00:34:03.600 --> 00:34:13.840 has said, just to hop into an environment, just to Jack. Oh, it's so again, like as we started off the, 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:19.040 the, the podcast talking about the wins and the conversations that came out of it, like I would 00:34:19.040 --> 00:34:26.880 say, um, what was neat about that experience, uh, running alpha this past week was we had so many 00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:33.200 trolls that popped into that event. And so what, what moderation control you do have is you, 00:34:33.200 --> 00:34:39.760 as the individual, you can lower somebody's volume for you personally, it doesn't do it for the room, 00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:47.920 but if, you know, if a 12 year old snot boy comes running in and he's just like throwing words out 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:55.280 that, you know, acts like he's been sailing for 11 of his 12 years of existence. Um, and, uh, you know, 00:34:55.280 --> 00:35:01.600 whatever else trying to just really Jack with everybody, you, as an individual, you can lower their volume 00:35:01.600 --> 00:35:08.080 so they don't bother you. Um, and so I was able to do that with a couple of the trolls that came in and I 00:35:08.080 --> 00:35:12.240 could tell that the people who are really, uh, into the conversation, they did the same thing because 00:35:12.240 --> 00:35:17.440 as we were talking, you have like this group of people, these trolls that were just jacking around 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:23.200 over here while this circle of people were having real conversation with each other and not bothered 00:35:23.200 --> 00:35:28.160 by these people at all. Hey, you know, they get in your face and whatnot. Um, they have some 00:35:28.160 --> 00:35:34.080 interactables and big screen. So you can have like this marker. So it's designed for like, if you had 00:35:34.080 --> 00:35:39.680 like a meeting with like coworkers, right? So you can have this marker and you can write in the air. 00:35:39.680 --> 00:35:44.320 And so sometimes what I'll do is I'll write Lakeland discord.com as like a next step for 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:50.720 people in our event. But you as the individual, you can turn off distractions or environment 00:35:50.720 --> 00:35:56.000 distraction. I forget how they label it. So anytime somebody does do something like that, you won't see 00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:00.960 it. So they can do it as much as they want. So I, my recommendation would be for any church that's 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:07.920 getting into big screen. Um, you would have to communicate to people who are coming in like, 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:14.080 Hey, we understand that this is a very heavy troll platform. So make sure that if somebody is bugging 00:36:14.080 --> 00:36:20.640 you lower their volume. Um, if somebody is writing stuff or throwing popcorn or tomatoes or sodas or 00:36:20.640 --> 00:36:26.400 whatever at you turn off, you know, or turn on distraction, free environment. That way you can 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:34.960 focus on the conversation at hand and not the trolls. Um, there was one more thing. Oh, as the host of the 00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:42.880 room, you do have the option to boot a person or kick or sorry, not boot block or kick. And so what 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:51.440 those two options do is if you kick a person, they can't reenter into that event, but any other event 00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:58.000 that you host later on, they can come back into. If you hit boot or block moment, you hit, sorry, 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:03.680 block. The moment you hit block, that person will never be able to come into any event that you as a 00:37:03.680 --> 00:37:10.560 host ever start up. So that's, that's about as far as the moderation controls go for big screen. 00:37:10.560 --> 00:37:20.800 Okay. Okay. So, I mean, that's not worse than VR chat. Um, and so that, in fact, actually that's 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:27.600 pretty much VR chats moderation controls as well. You can, you can lower individuals volume, but 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:33.440 natively you can't do it. Um, you know, through, through code, you can set your world up that way, 00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:37.440 but anyway, that's neither here nor there. So it doesn't sound like it's worse than VR chat. 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:40.800 It sounds like it's pretty much on par with VR chat. Okay. 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:44.720 So interesting that that's where all the trolls are. 00:37:45.680 --> 00:37:52.320 I, I kid, like I said, somebody said that to me and I, as soon as I said, I was like a hundred 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.840 percent, this is where trolls come just to simply troll. Like they put on a headset to say, 00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.480 I'm going to go troll today. And so they hop into big screen. 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.720 Oh, weird. Yeah. All right. 00:38:03.600 --> 00:38:10.640 But there's religious conversations are going on there. There are, uh, uh, you know, 00:38:10.640 --> 00:38:19.200 there's some environments that when you log in, you just see, uh, man, what, what was one that I 00:38:19.200 --> 00:38:26.640 saw? It was called like bedroom talk 18 plus or something like that. So like this one is wide open 00:38:27.200 --> 00:38:32.400 on the kind of stuff that you can stream. If you can stream it, you can bring it into big screen. 00:38:33.040 --> 00:38:40.880 So like the, the opportunities are really high and reaching people. And, um, you know, the same 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:45.200 way that you had that conversation with that guy in all space, same way that I had a conversation with 00:38:45.200 --> 00:38:51.120 the guy in all space. Like there are people who like, we had two, one of those guys that I was talking 00:38:51.120 --> 00:38:57.520 to him big screen earlier this week in alpha, he came into our environment because he got booted from 00:38:57.520 --> 00:39:04.240 another one because he didn't have the same, uh, religious view as the person who was hosting the 00:39:04.240 --> 00:39:09.680 room. And he was just like, I don't understand why I get booted for this. And that's actually what 00:39:10.240 --> 00:39:16.480 started the conversation. Um, which was really sweet of being able to say like, dude, I think you're 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:21.280 on a spiritual journey. I just think that you're probably not as far as you're thinking. So let's 00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:25.760 talk about it. So you can't friend, here's the other, I know we've got to wrap up this episode, 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:31.120 but I would say this, the other bad part of it is you can't build a friends list on big screen, 00:39:31.120 --> 00:39:36.560 like you can in all space, like you can in VR chat. So any church that hops into it, 00:39:36.560 --> 00:39:44.240 your next step would be to heavily, heavily rely on discord and do anything and everything that you can 00:39:44.240 --> 00:39:50.080 to get those people to be willing to take that next step to hop over there. So any kind of follow 00:39:50.080 --> 00:39:56.800 up, it's gonna be super hard unless they join your discord or whatever platform you use to build 00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:04.320 community. So that's where it's super weak in my opinion is follow up wise. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:11.280 you got to, yeah, uh, third party somehow discord is the best way. Yeah. Okay. That's good, 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:16.560 man. That's pretty exciting. A lot of opportunity there. It sounds like, yeah, but that's big screen, 00:40:16.560 --> 00:40:20.240 uh, from what I know of it, from what I've heard from others, that's pretty much what you're getting 00:40:20.240 --> 00:40:27.040 in a nutshell. So we're going to need, we'll need a follow up probably three, four months, uh, 00:40:27.040 --> 00:40:35.760 a recheck in on big screen to see what, you know, what else has been revealed. Yeah. Yeah. And, 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:41.520 you know, as we, uh, I mean, we can, we can talk about this later with, uh, in other episodes, 00:40:41.520 --> 00:40:47.280 but it'll be fun just to do a follow up on all the platforms besides for all space again, rip, 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.720 but we'll do a follow up on all of those and just kind of see, uh, what we're learning in the process. 00:40:52.720 --> 00:40:59.280 And, and, uh, yeah, uh, what is going to be the first platform for people to hop into and 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:06.400 all that kind of good stuff. So for sure. For sure. Yeah. Cool. Good. Good deal. Yeah, 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:12.560 man. Well done. Uh, pressure was off for me this week. That's I, I, I like that. We got to do more 00:41:12.560 --> 00:41:19.440 of those. Yeah, for sure. Well, let me close this out. Well, everybody, once again, thank you for 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:23.840 listening to the metaverse church podcast. 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