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 Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. Through this podcast, we'll talk about the technological

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 innovations within the church. But more than tech for tech itself, we'll address deeper questions.

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 Is disciple making possible digitally? How should we approach the digital mission field?

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 Can a biblically grounded church operate in digital space? Oh, and where does the metaverse

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 fit into all this? Whether you're a big or small church, an established church, or a startup church

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 plant. The Church Digital's goal is to help churches like yours learn to be a multiplying church,

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 digitally and physically. Our heart? That churches like yours will discover a newfound focus on

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 disciple making that will revolutionize your church. And now, here's your host, Jeff Reed.

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 All right, hey, welcome to the Church Digital Podcast Twitch edition here. We're broadcasting

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 live at this moment. It's Thursday, 3 p.m. Eastern, and we're on TV slash digital church

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 network. We're in season four here of the Church Digital Podcast, Jesus Gamers in Church. We're

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 digging into exploring the idea of not just digital church, but gamer church, one of the fastest

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 growing categories of digital churches, at least in America today. And we're even seeing expanses

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 in gaming churches globally. We've done deep dives into what church looks like, what digital missionaries

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 look like, what nerd culture looks like. Just so many different topics we've hit. Even what church

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 looks like inside of video games. Last week, we had DJ Soto and Pastor Coco talking about VR MMO

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 church in the MMO side, where we talked about Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy 14, and what church looks like

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 within FF14. So some good stuff. And I just said FF14, like I actually know what I'm talking about. I

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 really don't. And so this is purely an example of fake it till you make it. Although my daughter

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 just walked out, who is the FF fan and is waving at me. So that's a good thing. Hey, listen, we've got

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 a great show for you today. This is not the show that we were planning on. We had to pivot a little bit.

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 We had promised and talked about earlier a conversation with Dr. Carl from the American

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 Association of Christian Counselors. We were going to do a deep dive on neurodivergency and how to do

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 ministry in some of these areas when you're dealing with some mental challenges and people with some

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 issues like that. And so we were going to have that conversation. And Mark Lux, excuse me, Mark Lutz,

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 or Mark, however you pronounce the dude's last name, was going to be part of that. And TJ was

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 going to be a part of that from God Squad. And everybody got sick, like sick, like COVID.

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 And so Mark and TJ, God bless you, get better. We'll do the conversation at a later time and

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 excited about that. Even Dr. Carl was excited to jump into this conversation to really explore

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 how to do digital ministry centered around neurodivergent and some mental challenging

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 issues with that. So we are going to do that later. And one day we will actually get

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 Mark's name correctly pronounced. It's been years at this point, man, and I've never done

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 it right. That's embarrassing for me. We're going to move on here and we're going to bring

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 in today's show. And so we're not going to do the neurodivergent conversation. And instead,

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 we're going to make it ladies night here on the church digital. And we're going to, I want

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 to bring on Asia and I want to bring on Amanda into the conversation. And so Mark, who's actually

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 doing tech with COVID is, is, uh, is running and thankfully pressed the right button. So

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 Asia, Amanda, thanks for jumping on, on the show here.

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 Thanks for having us.

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 Great. So I jokingly said it's ladies night. It's actually like three in the afternoon. So

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 it's ladies afternoon. Um, you know, maybe I should say something like girl power, uh, or, or

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 whatever, by the way, that this is, this is going to be so awkward for the rest of the

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 show. Like it's going to be fun. The last concert I actually saw publicly, um, and this is going

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 to date me right now that I actually went to a venue and saw, I saw Spice Girls, their last

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 U.S. concert tour in 1990.

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 Pretty impressive though. What a good last.

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 That was impressive.

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 That's so cool.

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 I was working at, yeah, I was working for a radio station and, uh, they, they had free

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 tickets and I was just like, yeah, I'll go. And so I took, it was funny, my girlfriend

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 who's not my wife, she didn't even want to go. She, and so I took, I took two other girls

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 who I was, I was friends with, platonic, nothing weird. Um, but we went to, went to this

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 concert and, and so I'm, I'm a college senior and dude, I was the oldest dude at this

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 show, except for like the dads were like there with the three-year-old girls. Um, and it

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 was the most awkward, like, and I think I left the concert early. Like I couldn't even

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 stick around. I have no idea what that's to do with video games, but I got two women.

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 So why not tell the girls story? I guess. Very cool. And so whatever guests were around

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 are now running as how bad this is, but Hey, listen, I want to really dig into what the

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 ladies are doing here, uh, in, in ministry, maybe even talk about what women in streaming

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 and what women in Twitch, what this looks like and what opportunities there are. Uh, and,

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 and, and so thank you ladies for jumping on this and making a quick adjustment, uh, to

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 be part of this, but, but let, let's dig in. And so Amanda, let's, let's kick it off with

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 you. You're with, you're with God squad and, and, you know, we, your husband was on previously

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 and we, we've talked with him, I think a couple of times really centered around what's happening

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 with God squad, but it's been a minute. So why don't you give us an update and talk to

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 us a little bit about God squad, the church and, and, and what ministry looks like for

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 you guys, uh, on Twitch and beyond. Yeah. So, um, I am on staff with God squad church and

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 we're a church. We actually just celebrated our seven years, our seventh anniversary of

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 being, you know, here on Twitch reaching gamers, um, last weekend. And so, um, yeah, we're a church

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 that solely exists on Twitch and discord to reach gamers for Jesus. And, um, you know,

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 our four core values are, you know, we just want to be here to help gamers come to know

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 God, to experience community, to discover their purpose and make a difference. And really everything

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 that we do is wrapped around those four core values. Um, and yeah, it's been exciting. Uh,

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 you know, we go live for services on Twitch. We have so much community and fellowship in discord.

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 And, um, that's really us in a nutshell. Um, but it has been just a joy to be a part of.

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 So, yeah.

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 So I, I gotta ask before, before we swing over to Asia, you seven years is, is a long time. Like I,

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 I, I've never had the same job for longer than four years. And so like, that's, that's two careers

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 for me. Um, what have you guys, like, what has been the drastic change? What did you start doing?

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 And like seven years later, it's like, Oh no, that's a train wreck. We don't do that anymore.

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 There's gotta be something that you pivoted big time on.

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 Oh gosh. Um, I don't know why this is the first thing that's popping into my head.

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 Um, but we used to do, this is actually not even that huge. Um, I can't think of anything really

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 big, but the first thing that popped into my head is we actually used to do like, uh, during

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 our services, it was more of like a fun little thing we did. It was, uh, like a, oh my gosh,

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 was it a top 10, like gameplay? It was like a video of like, just the community members,

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 it was like epic gameplay. It was like top wins and people could like, uh, submit their

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 gameplay every single week. And then like during service, we would vote on like the best one.

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 Awesome.

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 It was, it was really cool, but like no one ever sent videos. It was like one or two people.

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 Um, so it was like a really cool idea. Um, but it was like really hard to keep

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 like doing. And so we decided to stop doing it. And so I don't know why that's the first

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 thing that popped in my head, but there's one example.

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 Very cool. So lots of changes. We're going to get into what kind of, some of the stuff that,

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 that God squad's doing and, and really digging with Amanda here in a little bit,

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 we're going to swing over to the other a Asia. Now is, is it appropriate for Asia? Do I,

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 do I have to say Asia, the girl, like what's, what's, you can call me Asia. My name is actually

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 Asia. So, okay. So it's not like, yeah. Very cool. So Asia, tell me a little bit about,

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 about your, your ministry, what it looks like. Um, so I always, whenever we have this conversation

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 or this kind of conversation, I get a little bit of, um, imposter syndrome because I don't have

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 like an official ministry at all, but in a sense I do in the sense that I'm like fulfilling my own

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 personal ministry, but that's kind of getting ahead of myself. Um, I've been doing content

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 creation for the last seven years now, around seven or eight. Um, and my heart has always been to build

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 relationships with people. And, um, I tried to do that through, um, just being creative and making

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 food. And those are kind of like the two camps I would hang out in. And I was really like on

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 Instagram a lot and on Facebook and on YouTube. Um, and then, you know, during lockdown in 2020,

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 um, Luke or Frostbite, as a lot of people in the space know him, um, he started, uh, streaming after,

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 I think the last time he streamed was when we were in college, but he started streaming to

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 connect with people. And then I got really involved with just like his community that he started growing.

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 And through that everyone in that community really encouraged me to, um, like start streaming on my

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 own. And it was one of those, like, I don't know, like everything kind of came together where I was

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 like, this is like what I've been wanting to do. Um, I just really have a heart for, like I said,

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 building relationships. And like, I, I, in my, the way that I operate, like whatever I create,

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 um, um, uh, content wise is just the, like the vehicle to, um, or like the catalyst for those

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 relationships. And I started viewing, um, my channel and my, we were joking around about this,

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 but my laundry room has like an extension, like a virtual extension of my home because I'm all about

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 like hospitality in the sense of, I want people to feel at home with me, um, wherever, like whether

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 that is like, uh, uh, in a physical home or in the digital space or just grabbing coffee

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 or whatever, like I always want people to feel comforted and, um, safe and like have an

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 environment where we can build relationships together. Um, and so it's been really cool over

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 the last, a little over two years, um, um, kind of like iterating on that and, um, really

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 focusing in on like that perspective and like really connecting with people that I wouldn't

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 be able to, if it wasn't for being on Twitch. So anyways, it's, it's been, it's been a joy.

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 Yeah. Yeah. I totally want to get into content creation and we've, we've not, I mean, we haven't

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 had like a dedicated content creator in this, in the season yet, but I mean, lots of people create

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 content at some level, but like, before we get there, I just want to call out if you're watching

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 this on YouTube or obviously on Twitch. Um, there's a, there's a washer and dryer literally

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 behind you right now. Like your, your backdrop is, are like, are those working machines?

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 They are. They are. Um, we like to joke around about, uh, these machines that they're like fancy,

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 big, massive speakers, but really they're just a washing machine and a dryer and they work great.

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 And we got them from a scratch and den store. And, uh, yeah, that's, this is, it just is too big.

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 This room is too big for it to just be a laundry room. And I was like, you know what? I can either

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 like stream from like, I don't know, from like a corner in the dining room or in Luke's, like in

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 our living room or temporary living room that is also Luke stream room. But I was like, I could just

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 also use a space and I feel like I made it look cool. So. Yeah. Do you find yourself like doing a

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 random load of laundry, like real quick while you're working or, um, you know, you, you spill

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 something on your socks and just rip them off and throw them in by himself? Like it's, it's,

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 it's convenient, right? It is. It is very convenient. I, I do, uh, laundry here, uh, here and there

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 when I'm working, but the funniest thing actually also my light all of a sudden started, decided to

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 start flashing, but, um, I have a, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Hopefully it'll stop in a second or I'll

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 have to do something. Um, but I have an on air, like little, uh, led sign that hangs above,

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 uh, that door, uh, that lead that's coming from our kitchen and I, um, have to turn it

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 on or else my brother or Luke will like walk, walk in with just like a load of laundry, maybe

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 while I'm streaming or in like a work meeting or something. And, uh, I, there were just too

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 many embarrassing moments for them where they just found themselves in awkward positions,

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 looking at my coworkers, maybe not like fully presentable to the, to the public. Um, and,

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 uh, so I had to like put a light to indicate like right now it's on. So my brother knows

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 to not like come in here with a load of whites or something while we're doing the stream.

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 That's awesome. Well, let's, let's dig in here a little bit. It's, it's interesting. St.

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 Bear, uh, brings up a great point in Twitch, uh, or in chat here. Twitch does not have to be about

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 video games, food streams, crafts, creativity, coworking, et cetera, are all awesome outside of the box

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 ways to build relationships through digital tools. And in Asia, as I recall, um, like you're, what

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 you're focused on isn't necessarily video games, right? Like let's, let's talk a little bit about

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 the heart of some of this content that you're digging into.

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 Yeah. So my, like I said, my mission is just to like create a hospitable environment for people

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 to build relationships with me and with each other, whoever's like coming into this virtual space.

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 Um, and so everything we do, I try to keep it like chill and vibey. So we, yeah, we do a lot of

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 coworking streams for people that are, um, working from home or, you know, like just have the

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 capability to have Twitch up or something while they're working or studying, um, just to create like a,

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 a shared workspace, uh, also do sewing sometimes and, um, art and digital art and cooking. Sometimes

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 I'll be on the other side of the store doing cooking streams just to like make people feel

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 like they're coming into the living room with me or around the dining table or something, um,

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 to yeah, build those friendships. And, um, I'm a terrible gamer. Like I really enjoy puzzle games.

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 Like I do enjoy those puzzle games and sim type games. I like those a lot, but when it comes to

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 like anything FPS or anything, I'm just like terrible and I'd rather just, uh, build my dream

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 home in Sims and hang out with you than like try to probably be carried in destiny. So, uh, but yeah,

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 I, that's, that's kind of our aim or my aim whenever I'm streaming.

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 So like, you don't have a specific topic, like, you know, I'm hearing some of, some of the guys

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 and some of the others talking about, Oh, I only play this game and, you know,

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 Yeah, no, no. So it's, so you're, you're just kind of broad and

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 Yes. True. A true variety streamer. That's I, I really lean into that.

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 How, how do you stream in your kitchen? Like, cause you're cooking, right? So what, what does,

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 what does that look like? Um, I use for all my streams and it, I feel like really shines when

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 I'm doing cooking streams. I use a software called switcher studio. Um, it's actually the company I

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 work for full time. I do all my streaming stuff, like as kind of like part of my job, but then

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 also like off the clock. Um, and so I'm able to have a pretty simple wireless setup with, um, my iOS

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 devices as cameras. And so it's like easy for me to move everything from here into the kitchen and

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 I don't know, make an omelet or something, uh, hang out with people. Uh, but yeah, it's fun.

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 Yeah. I had forgotten that you, you were at switcher studio. Like that, that was, um, I've had several

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 friends that were actually still are using that. And so it's, it's a, it's a great, uh, low cost,

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 simple solution, uh, to, to get involved in small churches, small spaces. Like you, you can really do

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 some really powerful stuff with that. Um, and so that's beautiful. Like you're creating,

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 you're creating content connected with people. You're, you're streaming kitchen and kitchen

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 cooking, um, and all that, that fun stuff. Um, so, so let's talk here. I mean, you're, you're both

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 ladies. Thank you. Um, that was awkward. So let's talk here. Like are your audience, um, like women,

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 do you feel like when you're on, you, you cater more to women that women are more wanting to connect

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 with you in those environments? You know, and even God squads, more of a church, like

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 the representation of a woman involved in that and, and, and others, what, what's the role? What's,

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 what's the purpose? Do you find purpose in being a woman in this space?

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 Hmm. You want to start? I don't know. We had really good conversations about this,

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 just me and Amanda in the past.

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 Uh, yeah, I can start. All right. Um, well, at least for me, like my audience, um,

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 I feel like it is mixed. Um, I feel like I'll just naturally connect with women more. Um, I,

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 you know, tend to be kind of girly, you know? So, um, I think I'll just naturally connect with women

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 easier, but at least for my streams, I don't stream on my personal channel. I stream weekly on the church

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 channel. Um, and those are definitely mixed, just hanging out, playing different games, whatever

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 I'm feeling like on that day. Um, but yeah, I love, I love just the opportunity to, to be a woman in

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 this space. Um, because it, it's got its own, like it's got different types of challenges,

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 right? Where everyone has challenges that they face when going live or doing whatever. Um, you know,

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 but we as women have our own unique challenges and I love to be able to be an example. Um, I find a lot

00:18:06.260 --> 00:18:11.560
 of purpose in that, um, just to encourage women, you know, that they can do it too, that they can step

00:18:11.560 --> 00:18:18.400
 out, be a light, um, be a leader in the space. And, um, yeah, I find a lot of purpose in that. And I

00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:24.460
 just want to do whatever I can to help other women kind of find that encouragement, that empowerment,

00:18:24.460 --> 00:18:29.560
 that push, you know, if they've been feeling to do something to go ahead and do it, you know,

00:18:29.560 --> 00:18:35.880
 like you're awesome. Like you have amazing things to bring to the table. Um, and we do, we need more

00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:42.120
 women to step up. And so I just like being in this position to be able to, yeah, encourage other

00:18:42.120 --> 00:18:48.640
 women and just to be an example. At least that's my hope to be an example, um, in some way. So

00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:57.300
 I think you do great. Um, yeah, I mean, similar to what Amanda said, I definitely find purpose in,

00:18:57.420 --> 00:19:02.280
 or I appreciate the unique perspective, bringing that unique perspective to a space like this.

00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:11.520
 I'm very big on like not existing in a vacuum. And so I, my desire is not necessarily to focus only

00:19:11.520 --> 00:19:16.440
 on like a specific demographic of people or like just women or a woman of color or whatever,

00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:25.060
 but my hope is, um, that we can celebrate, um, uh, diversity. And part of, part of that is just

00:19:25.060 --> 00:19:31.900
 like acknowledging like, you know, blind spots that people may have. And so being able to have those

00:19:31.900 --> 00:19:35.700
 conversations either like amongst content creators or like me and Amanda have had really great

00:19:35.700 --> 00:19:42.080
 conversations, um, or just talking to other people about this topic, I think it just helps, uh, people

00:19:42.080 --> 00:19:47.480
 broaden their perspective of how to serve the people that they are serving in their context and capacity.

00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.500
 And that doesn't mean like, you know, at least for me, like, I, I just don't like to like shoo

00:19:51.500 --> 00:19:59.000
 in on, on one, uh, group of people, but, um, um, but yeah, like, I think that it, it's like a both

00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:07.040
 and effect where we're encouraging and supporting, um, other women in the space to empower them all to

00:20:07.040 --> 00:20:09.760
 do the things that, you know, the lawyers call them to do. So, yeah.

00:20:09.760 --> 00:20:20.440
 Yeah. You know, it's, it's 2023. Um, do you still feel the male machismo, you know, um, ego in gaming

00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:25.820
 in, uh, and even moving beyond gaming in Twitch within, in the communities there? Like, is there

00:20:25.820 --> 00:20:32.960
 still kind of that, um, intolerant approach or has culture started to shift within Twitch overall

00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:36.600
 recently where it is more, uh, accepting and empowering?

00:20:38.820 --> 00:20:45.460
 Hmm. I, I, I, go ahead. Yeah. Delay.

00:20:46.180 --> 00:20:54.620
 I, I, I've definitely seen it improving for sure. Um, I think that we've come a long way. I mean,

00:20:54.620 --> 00:20:59.600
 I think that there will always be those people and I don't think that we're a hundred percent

00:20:59.600 --> 00:21:04.300
 there yet. Um, but I think we've made a lot of progress. I think there will always be,

00:21:04.300 --> 00:21:09.260
 you know, those guys, whether they realize they're doing it or not, um, that are kind of

00:21:09.260 --> 00:21:15.540
 like stuck in their own ways and unintentionally still create this barrier between men and women.

00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:22.360
 Um, and I experienced that a lot. Honestly, I experienced that more, the unintentional side

00:21:22.360 --> 00:21:28.620
 where they just are unaware of just like behaviors and habits that they have that just naturally

00:21:28.620 --> 00:21:35.180
 create this barrier that make it harder for women to kind of like, you know what I mean? But I,

00:21:35.260 --> 00:21:41.420
 I really do think we've come a long way. And so, um, yeah, I think, yeah.

00:21:41.420 --> 00:21:48.100
 Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. Like, I would say, I think like, you know, people always be crazy

00:21:48.100 --> 00:21:54.620
 or just can be crazy. I think like overall, like there is like a positive, um, shifts where, um,

00:21:54.640 --> 00:22:00.380
 women are, or there's like more, um, inclusion, um, in the digital space, but I would also,

00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:11.120
 I would agree that a lot of it is, um, more subtle. And, um, I, I, the experiences that I've had,

00:22:11.120 --> 00:22:14.740
 um, it's, it's hard to say cause like, there's like the big, we can talk about the space in general,

00:22:14.740 --> 00:22:21.520
 or we can talk about like in, uh, the like niche Christian community of streamers. Um, I,

00:22:21.580 --> 00:22:31.480
 I think what's very, my experience is that, um, a lot of times, like I feel like this, uh,

00:22:32.540 --> 00:22:39.260
 weird draw that I feel like I need to like prove myself sometimes. And, um, I feel like my light just

00:22:39.260 --> 00:22:47.040
 keeps deciding to change weirdly, whatever. It's fine. Um, I find, once again, I think this is like

00:22:47.040 --> 00:22:51.500
 a very subconscious thing that people aren't purposely doing, but, um, in the Christian

00:22:51.500 --> 00:22:57.440
 creators space in particular, um, a lot of times, like when people find out who my husband is and

00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:04.140
 they're like, Oh, okay. Okay. And then like, I've like, whatever hit some benchmark that they were

00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:08.440
 expecting. What, like I said, I don't think it's on purpose. Um, and this is not saying everyone does

00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:14.640
 this. I just have noticed this. Um, whereas, um, you know, if people don't know my connection to

00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:22.040
 Luke or to Love Thy Nerd, which is the organization that we are both connected in, um, there's like a

00:23:22.040 --> 00:23:28.360
 little bit of a disconnect there. And, um, I feel bad because I know that there are other, um, women

00:23:28.360 --> 00:23:33.820
 that are in the same position as me, but are not like, they don't have a significant other that is,

00:23:33.820 --> 00:23:40.680
 you know, tied to this community. Uh, and I think it's just that much harder for them to feel connected

00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:46.960
 and feel seen in the space. So that's kind of like where the, my burden is.

00:23:47.300 --> 00:23:49.980
 Sure. Yeah. I feel that. I feel that.

00:23:51.380 --> 00:23:55.300
 You know, St. Bear is in chat right now and he's, he's talking about, you know, specifically

00:23:55.300 --> 00:23:59.000
 Amanda, like you're not just a streamer. You lead this, you lead the organization with,

00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:04.100
 with God squad and very influential within that. Uh, in, in the flip side is he's, he's talking

00:24:04.100 --> 00:24:08.480
 about Aki who's on the show. And, you know, we talked about how Peach is part of streaming and

00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:15.600
 setting an example, uh, for other female streamers like Peach, um, who just out of pure ignorance on

00:24:15.600 --> 00:24:21.260
 my side, because I'm fake it until you make it. I don't, I'm not a gamer. Um, who are some other

00:24:21.260 --> 00:24:26.800
 people in this space, some other female, uh, voices that, that we should be looking at that, that, that

00:24:26.800 --> 00:24:31.720
 are, um, having a powerful influence, a positive influence, uh, within culture.

00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:40.640
 Uh, well, I'll say, um, off the top of my head, mainly because I've been connecting with these

00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:48.540
 specific ladies lately, but Miss Positivity, um, is great. Um, and I heard, I, I'm not an FPS gamer

00:24:48.540 --> 00:24:54.200
 myself. So like I, you know, if you, that's what I hear, you know, if you shoot and kill the things,

00:24:54.200 --> 00:25:00.380
 like I'm happy for you. Um, but I hear that she's actually cracked, but she's just so awesome.

00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:07.960
 Um, so Miss Positivity, um, her shades, Crossing Tommy, Cesare, you are just some incredible women

00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:13.060
 in this space that are so encouraging and they just want to uplift and empower other people.

00:25:13.060 --> 00:25:18.280
 And I've just loved getting to know them. So those are a few that I would say.

00:25:18.540 --> 00:25:23.660
 Yeah. I would say I'm going to shout out. She probably would hate that I did this, but like,

00:25:23.740 --> 00:25:30.000
 I really love the, like behind the scenes women that are getting stuff done, uh, in this space.

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:34.920
 Uh, Kate Katawaki, she is one of the, uh, co-founders of Love Thy Nerd. And she's just,

00:25:35.020 --> 00:25:39.240
 I mean, I guess she does, she is on stream like once a week cause she helps record a podcast.

00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:43.760
 Um, and so you can, uh, get a little more FaceTime with her there, but for the most part,

00:25:43.820 --> 00:25:49.440
 she works behind the scenes and she just is very intentionally creating content to encourage

00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:58.240
 and sharpen, uh, believers in this space and also like create a bridge to, uh, for, for those who

00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:02.980
 are not believers in this space and who are just, you know, need the love of Jesus. So, um,

00:26:03.320 --> 00:26:09.760
 all the love to her. Yeah. That's, that's so, that's so cool. You know, it's, it's really

00:26:09.760 --> 00:26:17.300
 interesting to see, um, well, let me ask it this way. You know, we talk a lot about contextualization

00:26:17.300 --> 00:26:23.180
 in, in digital ministry, right? Where, you know, like, um, the digital missionaries, I'm thinking

00:26:23.180 --> 00:26:27.780
 Jake, uh, Jake is going to reach the people that Jake's going to reach. And Jake as a digital

00:26:27.780 --> 00:26:32.920
 missionary, his context is completely different than Aki. Aki is going to reach more of a family

00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:40.860
 person. Jake is, is interested in Asian influence, like the, the hybrid fusion, whatever thing

00:26:40.860 --> 00:26:44.440
 that the Jake works, but it's, it's Jake, you know, you can't explain it, but it's who

00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:51.360
 Jake is, but there's different contexts. Um, I'm curious when you look at like, uh, women

00:26:51.360 --> 00:26:56.080
 streaming, some of the names you just mentioned yourself included and yourselves included. Do

00:26:56.080 --> 00:27:01.020
 you find that there are specific audience that you can reach into that may be a, a male

00:27:01.020 --> 00:27:07.500
 counterpart can't, uh, similarly, are there guys, you know, is there a target audience for

00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:11.880
 them? Is there a persona that they can reach that maybe you can't get into? Like, talk to

00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:17.400
 me about some of that, the challenges within that relationship is, is there a persona that

00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:28.320
 you can reach that, that a male can't and vice versa? Um, I speaking as like a woman of color,

00:27:28.320 --> 00:27:35.560
 um, I am really appreciative of like the unique space, a unique voice that I can have in, um,

00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:41.840
 in this space and the like kind of community that I've like fostered been a, it's been a privilege to

00:27:41.840 --> 00:27:48.640
 like help foster, um, is just people who don't feel like I, so I'm mixed, uh, I have a, like a

00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:53.100
 interesting like upbringing. And so I've always felt like I didn't really fit into a specific box

00:27:53.100 --> 00:27:58.480
 really. Um, and that kind of like just became more intensified, like moving to the States,

00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:03.460
 um, and like doing life here and not in a bad way. Like it just, it just kind of the reality of life.

00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:13.780
 Um, and so it's been really cool to, to like talk about those things and help people feel seen and at

00:28:13.780 --> 00:28:18.520
 home when they feel like they don't quite fit in. And I don't, I don't think that's like unique to me.

00:28:18.520 --> 00:28:22.960
 Like I think that other people can definitely do that, but I think that like, um, embracing those

00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:28.860
 differences, like embracing the fact that we're not the norm of this like digital space, uh, helps

00:28:28.860 --> 00:28:34.520
 me connect with, um, yeah, people who feel like they don't fit in, in those circles. And like, I,

00:28:34.660 --> 00:28:40.420
 um, I have seen, like, like you said, like people are all, uh, wired differently and I'm not the person

00:28:40.420 --> 00:28:46.360
 who is going to be like the like entertainer person, um, on screen. Like I'm not like trying to

00:28:46.360 --> 00:28:52.440
 constantly catch your attention with like epic skills or whatever, or like a, like a big personality.

00:28:52.940 --> 00:28:57.420
 And, and so like a lot of times, like I will miss out on people who really do want to be

00:28:57.420 --> 00:29:04.980
 like hooked in to what, like, um, to really, uh, entertaining content constantly. But, but for

00:29:04.980 --> 00:29:10.660
 the people that like need a little bit of rest and they just need a little bit of relax, relaxation

00:29:10.660 --> 00:29:15.100
 because their whole lives are all crazy and they just like want to decompress. Like, I feel like

00:29:15.100 --> 00:29:22.900
 that is the, the, um, circle of people that I keep finding in, um, in my community, which I'm here

00:29:22.900 --> 00:29:30.200
 for. Uh, and so, yeah, I would say that like, uh, there are, uh, whether it's like women or men or

00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:37.080
 just different personalities. Like, I think we all, um, serve in this space in like very unique ways.

00:29:37.080 --> 00:29:40.520
 And so I think it's really, I think you made a good point of saying like that people have

00:29:40.520 --> 00:29:45.160
 different, um, different audiences. And I think it's good to like, not, I mean, I think it's okay

00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:49.320
 to like observe and like how people are doing things, but to not compare, like judge like one

00:29:49.320 --> 00:29:54.280
 community against another and like try to like figure out how to replicate someone else's community

00:29:54.280 --> 00:29:57.760
 necessarily. Yeah. What, what do you think Amanda?

00:29:59.140 --> 00:30:05.180
 Um, from my experience, I know that, you know, there is like, we've, we've been talking about

00:30:05.180 --> 00:30:11.020
 it. Um, how there is like, there's this, um, I guess this wall in between like women creators

00:30:11.020 --> 00:30:17.880
 and men creators or men and women in the space. And, um, you, one of the reasons behind it is like

00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:23.300
 just the world we live in, like women have to be more on guard, like to protect themselves

00:30:23.300 --> 00:30:29.100
 because like we live in a crazy world. We know the internet is crazy too. Like a lot of these women

00:30:29.100 --> 00:30:35.160
 who are like streaming, uh, or, you know, content creating, whatever, like they have like whispers

00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:42.020
 and DMS turned off just because of like, you know, all just the crap that they continually get

00:30:42.020 --> 00:30:49.580
 from just the crazy world that we live in. And so, you know, for me, like it's easier for women to

00:30:49.580 --> 00:30:54.860
 connect with women because we feel safer with each other. And so to me, that's been a very unique,

00:30:54.860 --> 00:31:01.800
 uh, opportunity that I've been more so discovering lately that I have this opportunity to help

00:31:01.800 --> 00:31:07.720
 connect with these women, um, and to help them connect with other people. And, you know, I've

00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:12.900
 gotten to know a lot of just really great men in the platform through God Squad Church that are just

00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:18.540
 really great guys. They're good people, you know, and to help kind of bridge, bridge that gap, you

00:31:18.540 --> 00:31:23.900
 know, bridge, you know, that because like, if they're trying to connect with them, but they're

00:31:23.900 --> 00:31:28.680
 like, I don't know you like stranger danger, stay away. You know, it's going to be harder for them to

00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:34.500
 connect because, you know, just by natural default, women are just more on guard. You know, if you're a

00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:39.820
 strange man, like reaching out, like they're not going to be very quick to answer your DM and that's

00:31:39.820 --> 00:31:45.500
 just the way it is. Um, and so I've loved being in this position to be able to kind of help, you

00:31:45.500 --> 00:31:53.100
 know, bridge those gaps and to connect with these women. And, you know, I, I have loved, you know,

00:31:53.100 --> 00:31:59.080
 just learning to step into that to, yeah, just to help more connection happen. And so.

00:31:59.620 --> 00:32:04.980
 Sure. I'm, I'm not looking for detail unless you're comfortable, but I do want to ask, like,

00:32:05.100 --> 00:32:10.580
 have, have, are you, have you experienced, um, awkward, difficult, bad situations personally

00:32:10.580 --> 00:32:16.980
 in church context in DMs? Like, has that even invaded within the church context that you're

00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:17.760
 operating in, Amanda?

00:32:18.280 --> 00:32:19.180
 Oh, a hundred percent.

00:32:20.180 --> 00:32:26.420
 Um, like a hundred percent. Yeah. Just having like the church title, you know, doesn't stop

00:32:26.420 --> 00:32:31.660
 people. Um, I was telling Asia of a story. I won't tell the details, but like, I was like

00:32:31.660 --> 00:32:36.580
 live streaming on our church channel, which says God squad church. And I had this guy come

00:32:36.580 --> 00:32:41.120
 in chat saying these, you know, interesting things. And I was like, wow, like even on a

00:32:41.120 --> 00:32:47.440
 church channel, I'm not safe. Um, and for me, like, it is unfortunate. Like I have just,

00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:51.440
 you know, it's just the way we're the world we live in. And so it, you know, it, it bothers

00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:56.940
 me, but it doesn't bother me. But yeah, like even in the church, like, you know, discord

00:32:56.940 --> 00:33:02.940
 and Twitch, it's open to everyone at any time, you know, and you're just going to get some

00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:03.420
 messages.

00:33:04.740 --> 00:33:08.140
 I'm laughing not at you. My heart goes out for you and I want to go into this, but

00:33:08.140 --> 00:33:12.300
 evidently Lux, I'm finding in chat, somebody went into Lux church service last night and

00:33:12.300 --> 00:33:17.680
 asked for a sex tape of, um, Mark and his wife, which I just said on the podcast. So

00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.660
 that's, that's horrible and horrendous. I was going to say awesome at the same time, but

00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:22.840
 it's, it's really, it's not awesome.

00:33:23.340 --> 00:33:25.020
 Yeah, um, not at all.

00:33:25.540 --> 00:33:31.320
 What? Let me, like, I want to dig into this because I mean, Twitch is, is open. And so

00:33:31.320 --> 00:33:34.400
 we're letting the world in, we're doing church where the world is. You're going to get crap

00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:40.940
 like that. That happens. Forgive crap. It's perhaps an issue. Um, but what literally, how

00:33:40.940 --> 00:33:47.460
 do you protect yourself from those situations? Like I'm, there's an administrative way to kick

00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:52.800
 them out. There's a mute button. Um, how does it prevent them from coming back in? Who are

00:33:52.800 --> 00:33:58.160
 people that like, you've got teams of volunteers that, that moderate, like what, what safeguards

00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.460
 are in place to, to, to stop this from happening or prevent this from happening?

00:34:03.780 --> 00:34:09.380
 Um, I, I think there are like different approaches to this for sure. Um, I have found that like,

00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:19.660
 um, for personally, I, I just don't see timing out all as like effective. Um, I think like

00:34:19.660 --> 00:34:26.480
 if it is like a bannable, uh, situation, like I will just ban. But that being said, I think

00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:33.060
 it's really important that like, that there is nuance to, um, to those approaches because,

00:34:33.220 --> 00:34:38.040
 you know, as we're like building community, if it's like someone random that I haven't, like,

00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:42.880
 I have no like context for, like, I honestly don't feel bad, like just not acknowledging them

00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:47.940
 and banning them and not saying anything. Um, but if it's like inappropriate con, uh, conversation

00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:54.880
 that is being brought up by someone that we have like developed, um, some sort of like

00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:00.560
 rapport, friendship with, um, I try to like have, I think actually St. Bear has been there

00:35:00.560 --> 00:35:04.840
 for, for some of them, like just try to have a conversation to reason out of like, Hey,

00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.880
 like, I just don't think like kind of come alongside, like, I don't think it's appropriate

00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:13.080
 for like, I'm, I'm, I'm, uh, confident myself to, to not have to like shut you down right away.

00:35:13.240 --> 00:35:17.500
 Like, I don't need to like, you know, go there right away, but I do want to have a conversation

00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:23.500
 if you're bringing this up, um, uh, like on stream, um, we can talk about like, Hey,

00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:26.620
 like, I don't think it's appropriate or Hey, maybe we should think through what we're talking

00:35:26.620 --> 00:35:26.900
 about.

00:35:26.900 --> 00:35:33.320
 But I feel like those kinds of conversations, just generally speaking, only have, um, stock

00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:35.960
 if there is a, some sort of like a relationship there.

00:35:36.120 --> 00:35:40.880
 So if I don't have that relationship with people, like I will just ban and then like, you know,

00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:46.040
 if like, if one of my mods these days, like my mods are pretty busy. So I'm like kind of

00:35:46.040 --> 00:35:51.240
 by myself a little bit or Luke is just Luke or something. Um, and so like people can reach out

00:35:51.240 --> 00:35:56.840
 to our mod team if they, you know, want to appeal for whatever reason. Um, but yeah, so that's the

00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:00.920
 way I try to approach it. Like I try to treat people as people as much as possible if there is

00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.600
 like a relationship there, but that's just, that's just my own approach though.

00:36:05.820 --> 00:36:11.240
 Unpack for me now we're, we're Twitch streaming this. And so Twitch people understand what

00:36:11.240 --> 00:36:17.160
 you just said, but my podcast audience is not as comfortable with Twitch. And so I want

00:36:17.160 --> 00:36:23.960
 you to unpack mod team. Like you just said my mod team handles this, uh, or like appeals

00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:28.320
 and stuff like that. Explain what mod team is that this is an interesting concept. I want

00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:28.860
 them to understand.

00:36:29.500 --> 00:36:34.500
 Yeah. Um, I think St. Bear mentioned this in chat as well, that like a lot of women have

00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:39.460
 like bigger mod teams than, uh, men who are like content creators on Twitch or I'm sure

00:36:39.460 --> 00:36:45.720
 are like on other platforms. Um, but, um, for me, it's like important to have people that

00:36:45.720 --> 00:36:50.680
 like show some sort of like commitment to, uh, your community, whether that means like they're

00:36:50.680 --> 00:36:57.020
 watching your streams constantly or they're in your discord server or whatever. Um, it, it,

00:36:57.020 --> 00:37:02.240
 it's like in our best in, in like the community's best interest to have like some people appointed

00:37:02.240 --> 00:37:09.400
 that have like a little bit of power in your chat to, um, to remove people from your streams

00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:15.000
 at like the most extreme or to mute certain, um, chatters if people are being inappropriate

00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.440
 or do other positive things. Like they don't just do negative things. Like they can also

00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:25.160
 have like a positive effect, uh, in your channel. But I think that it's important to, um, it's

00:37:25.160 --> 00:37:30.160
 like on one hand you're protecting your own self. Uh, if someone is like making, if someone

00:37:30.160 --> 00:37:36.840
 is like, uh, not haggling, that's the wrong heckling you and, um, making, I don't know,

00:37:37.120 --> 00:37:43.560
 just like teasing you or, or just like being completely inappropriate. Um, you want to protect

00:37:43.560 --> 00:37:48.040
 yourself, but also you want to protect your community. Um, like they don't need to hear

00:37:48.040 --> 00:37:52.040
 that either. Like it's not just you. Uh, I think that that's like a responsibility we

00:37:52.040 --> 00:37:57.800
 have as like people who are hosting streams that like you're also, um, trying to be considerate

00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:04.800
 of the people that are in your chat. Um, so mod teams can help you just, just, uh, keep,

00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:12.580
 keep, uh, the house rules in order, I guess. Um, but I mean, I'm sure like it's more, a little

00:38:12.580 --> 00:38:17.220
 bit more robust with God squad, but that's just my own disorganized approach.

00:38:17.220 --> 00:38:23.060
 Yeah. I I'd love to hear kind of God squad's approach. Um, how you maybe modifying some of

00:38:23.060 --> 00:38:27.220
 those ideas and I'm assuming all these are volunteers, right? Like, or is there a pay

00:38:27.220 --> 00:38:32.600
 structure for me? Yeah, for sure. No, no. I mean, I think you can pay your mods. And I know there's

00:38:32.600 --> 00:38:38.980
 some like streamers that like, uh, any like, yeah, any like sub money they get or whatever they can

00:38:38.980 --> 00:38:43.700
 like give that all. I've, I've seen people that like, they make their money like through partnerships

00:38:43.700 --> 00:38:46.720
 or whatever. So whatever money they get through Twitch, they just give to their mods, which I

00:38:46.720 --> 00:38:52.320
 think is really cool. Um, but yeah. Amanda, talk a little bit about mods.

00:38:53.200 --> 00:38:59.780
 Yeah. So for us, um, you know, we obviously have our staff, um, who is there for that, but we do,

00:38:59.780 --> 00:39:07.400
 we have a volunteer team of moderators as well. Um, for us being a church, uh, we always resort to

00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:13.220
 banning as like our last resort. It's not something that we're ever quick to do. We always try to leave

00:39:13.220 --> 00:39:20.460
 that as like our last option. Um, because we believe trolls need Jesus too. Um, and so we do,

00:39:20.560 --> 00:39:27.140
 we try to have conversations with them. Um, you know, for me, uh, my, one of my old mods,

00:39:27.180 --> 00:39:32.840
 when I used to stream my own personal channel, um, she shared in chat, but even, even now streaming

00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.920
 on my personal channel or the church channel, um, if I have someone coming in my chat, you know,

00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.860
 saying inappropriate things, I have no problem calling them out. I'm going to call them out.

00:39:42.860 --> 00:39:48.080
 Um, you know, and I'm gonna be like, Hey, you know, I'm glad you're here. I hope you're

00:39:48.080 --> 00:39:53.520
 having a great day, but please be, you know, kind and respectful. Um, you know, and if they

00:39:53.520 --> 00:39:58.240
 continue, I will time them out, but I do, I confront them and I give them a chance. And

00:39:58.240 --> 00:40:02.740
 our moderator team is so patient and they're always willing to talk with these people.

00:40:02.740 --> 00:40:06.660
 There is a line, you know, of course that, you know, once they cross the line, then yes,

00:40:06.660 --> 00:40:13.940
 we remove permissions, we ban, we block, you know, whatever. Um, but we really try, you know,

00:40:13.940 --> 00:40:19.300
 to exhaust all of our options, um, before we result to banning someone from the community,

00:40:19.300 --> 00:40:24.560
 just because as a church, you know, we do, we, we try hard to reach people for Jesus. We're here on

00:40:24.560 --> 00:40:30.940
 Twitch to reach people for Jesus. And these are the people on Twitch. Um, and so that's kind of our

00:40:30.940 --> 00:40:36.700
 approach, but it is, it's very similar. You know, we have a mod team, you know, bots are very helpful,

00:40:36.700 --> 00:40:42.180
 you know, in things like discord and Twitch chats, um, you know, for auto modding through those bots.

00:40:42.540 --> 00:40:48.780
 Um, but yeah. And so that's, that's kind of our approach in a nutshell is we, we try to not

00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:52.780
 ban unless it's absolutely necessary, but yeah.

00:40:55.340 --> 00:41:00.440
 Future generations, like the next level of, of women that, that want to stream the,

00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:06.000
 the ones that are just starting out, how do you prepare them for this? How do you help them

00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:13.040
 be aware of the difficult, the tense situations, the trolls, the, like that? Um, what does that look

00:41:13.040 --> 00:41:20.620
 like? Do y'all have any experience with that? Yeah. I, I mean, I think like part of it is just like

00:41:20.620 --> 00:41:27.260
 feeling or like having the confidence to have these kinds of conversations. I think like this is a,

00:41:27.260 --> 00:41:34.180
 uh, obviously people being trolls is not unique to just girls, but I feel like there is a unique

00:41:34.180 --> 00:41:39.860
 struggle, uh, that women have in the space that just, I don't know, like it's one of those, like

00:41:39.860 --> 00:41:46.120
 you, if you experience it, you know, if not like it's hard, it's hard to like, to fully like put

00:41:46.120 --> 00:41:52.680
 yourself in those shoes. Yeah. If you know, you know, in the worst way, um, and in the best way too.

00:41:52.860 --> 00:42:02.100
 But like, um, um, um, I think like, yeah, being like having a, a, an air of, um, transparency,

00:42:02.100 --> 00:42:08.740
 uh, when these things happen, uh, I think is like very encouraging. Um, and it helps make other

00:42:08.740 --> 00:42:14.420
 women in the space feel less isolated because, um, I mean, me and Amanda met for the first time in

00:42:14.420 --> 00:42:22.000
 person, um, at the Megazord event and we just like quickly connected and a big way, like instant

00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:29.120
 way we connected was just realizing that like, we both had very similar experiences in, um, this like

00:42:29.120 --> 00:42:35.360
 mostly positive, like, um, gaming, uh, like Christian content creating gaming space. Um,

00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.360
 but it was interesting to find like, Oh, it was one of those like, Oh, you too. I thought it was

00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:46.920
 just me. And like, you know, when most of the people in the circle are guys and, uh, just don't have

00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:51.040
 the same experiences as us, you kind of think that you're on your own and you just got to figure it

00:42:51.040 --> 00:42:56.620
 out and like, you know, just keep going. Um, and I mean, there's, there is an element for sure of just

00:42:56.620 --> 00:43:05.100
 like being resilient, uh, that you have to have if you're in the space, but it like, we also are

00:43:05.100 --> 00:43:11.920
 human and like, uh, we have the ability to connect with each other because we are human. Uh, and so I

00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:16.320
 think it's just like important to be open to have those conversations and like seek them out. Like,

00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:21.640
 I think like just being intentional goes a long way. Um, but yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm

00:43:21.640 --> 00:43:28.040
 rambling. No, no, no. It's so good. Amanda, like, I'd love your take on this. Go ahead.

00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:34.820
 Yeah. Honestly, I have to agree with my girl, Asia. She said a lot of good stuff and, um, you know,

00:43:34.820 --> 00:43:39.740
 I, I agree. I think it's just helping them understanding like what they're getting into,

00:43:39.740 --> 00:43:45.560
 like, not that it's like, you got to prepare yourself because like, you know, this is,

00:43:45.560 --> 00:43:51.460
 this is no joke, but you know, there is like the internet is just a different place and you know,

00:43:51.460 --> 00:43:57.320
 you just have to understand what you're getting into and, you know, have that confidence. I love

00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:03.540
 that word confidence that you used Asia, um, to be able to navigate that, you know, the confidence

00:44:03.540 --> 00:44:09.440
 that, you know, the people that come into your chat, like they don't define you. Um, and, you know,

00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:15.420
 learning to navigate that, but then also again, to what Asia said, you know, the importance of,

00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:20.920
 we need each other. We were created for community. We were created for relationship and finding that

00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:29.760
 network of people that you can, you know, go to for encouragement, um, for advice, um, for prayer,

00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:36.440
 you know, as you're stepping into this space is so necessary as well. Um, and so, yeah, for anyone

00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:41.140
 who's starting new, like I would want them to understand like what they're getting into and

00:44:41.140 --> 00:44:45.500
 like, you know, to understand, to have the confidence to step into it, but also like,

00:44:45.980 --> 00:44:51.040
 you know, we need each other, you know, so make sure you find people that you can have in your life

00:44:51.040 --> 00:44:55.560
 to walk alongside you in this journey. So, yeah.

00:44:56.100 --> 00:45:01.940
 So good. Yeah. And like I was saying that the peer to peer network, the peer to peer connection,

00:45:01.940 --> 00:45:05.780
 uh, walking with somebody that's going through it. You're, you're right, uh, Amanda, that's so

00:45:05.780 --> 00:45:11.860
 helpful, um, to be open and transparent, even as, as, as, uh, Asia was saying. Awesome.

00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:17.680
 Well, Hey, listen, we, we were joking in chat on today. It was like, uh, love your mod day. That

00:45:17.680 --> 00:45:22.580
 was, that was a deep, deep dive on some of that. Um, talk to me, you know, cause we've,

00:45:22.580 --> 00:45:26.940
 we've been a little negative and a little down here. What brings you the most joy in streaming?

00:45:27.060 --> 00:45:31.300
 Like what, why do you, why do you do this? What's, what's the, uh, what's the thing that

00:45:31.300 --> 00:45:38.960
 you'd love about what you're doing? Go ahead, Asia. Great question. Okay. Well, I never know of

00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:42.340
 like, I want to like anticipate the delay and not cut someone off, but then it's just like

00:45:42.340 --> 00:45:52.440
 more, a longer, um, but I mean, so much brings me joy. I think like, um, specifically streaming

00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:59.960
 this kind of content, it, it makes me feel the most whole, I guess, because like there is a,

00:46:00.080 --> 00:46:05.860
 there is a side of me that is very creative and I like to create things, uh, no matter what the

00:46:05.860 --> 00:46:11.460
 medium is, but I love like building relationships. And so it's really cool to come alongside other

00:46:11.460 --> 00:46:16.620
 people while we're like creating something together and, um, just catch up on life.

00:46:16.620 --> 00:46:22.060
 And, but in particular, I think like some of the things I love is just like, you know, over time

00:46:22.060 --> 00:46:28.280
 people becoming like names on in chat, becoming familiar faces virtually, I guess, like people

00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:34.320
 that, um, you know, you, you know that they've been really struggling in math and they're super

00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:41.480
 excited that they got an A on their last test that they stayed for, or, um, like knowing like people's,

00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:48.300
 um, uh, like, uh, celebrations or struggles, whatever they may be like just getting to know

00:46:48.300 --> 00:46:55.860
 people beyond just like them saying hi and in chat and whatever. Uh, like, I think like one of the

00:46:55.860 --> 00:47:02.900
 sweetest moments is, um, whenever people, uh, there are viewers that, you know, they haven't been in

00:47:02.900 --> 00:47:06.620
 stream for a while for whatever reason, there's not to be a bad reason. Uh, but when they come back,

00:47:06.620 --> 00:47:11.660
 it always feels like a little reunion. Um, I just think like, that's one of the sweetest things that

00:47:11.660 --> 00:47:17.800
 like we can like see each other, even if we're in a virtual space. Uh, yeah, I just love that.

00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:23.380
 It makes it feel like it's like a real community and like, I essentially am having these people in my

00:47:23.380 --> 00:47:28.340
 home with me hanging out and doing life together. So yeah, it's sweet.

00:47:29.780 --> 00:47:38.200
 It's awesome. I think for me, um, I, I have two main things and the first one would be, you know,

00:47:38.260 --> 00:47:43.060
 streaming honestly is just a tiny, tiny part of what I do through God's squad church. Um,

00:47:43.180 --> 00:47:51.060
 you know, it's two hours of my entire, I do too much stuff. Um, but that's the church life. Um,

00:47:51.440 --> 00:48:00.180
 but well, it shouldn't be, but anyways, that's a whole other conversation. Um, but I, uh, I honestly

00:48:00.180 --> 00:48:07.100
 genuinely just love seeing people's lives being transformed by Jesus. Um, you know, I have the

00:48:07.100 --> 00:48:12.460
 opportunity and privilege to lead small groups. I actually just had one before this podcast and,

00:48:12.460 --> 00:48:18.440
 um, you know, leading worship, you know, being on stream, just having those random conversations

00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:24.620
 with people and seeing people's lives changed and being a part of that. Uh, it brings a joy that is

00:48:24.620 --> 00:48:32.080
 unexplainable. Um, it really is just so incredible. And so for me, that would be one. The other one

00:48:32.080 --> 00:48:40.020
 would be, um, just experiencing community, like developing relationships with people online and Asia,

00:48:40.020 --> 00:48:45.400
 like you are, you are one of those people, um, you know, that I've had the opportunity to get to know

00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:52.460
 and to connect with. Um, yes, you know, but getting to know people, building relationships and having

00:48:52.460 --> 00:48:59.740
 that community, um, you know, it is like it's, it's online, you know, that is true, but it is still so

00:48:59.740 --> 00:49:06.660
 good and it has been so life-giving. And so I think those two things have been just a huge source of

00:49:06.660 --> 00:49:14.340
 joy for me is, yeah, I just, it's truly a privilege to be able to be here in this space. So.

00:49:16.720 --> 00:49:20.620
 It's interesting, uh, Amanda, you were, you know, talking a little bit about, you know, the church

00:49:20.620 --> 00:49:25.700
 life and so much other things that, that you're involved in. And you're, you, you know, recently

00:49:25.700 --> 00:49:31.500
 you've, you've been more active in, in, in leading the organization. Like even at that level,

00:49:31.500 --> 00:49:37.780
 as the leader of, of, of a church and in a female, are you feeling tension? Are you feeling

00:49:37.780 --> 00:49:43.460
 kickback or issues with, with being a female leader? Like the, talk to me a little bit about that.

00:49:43.720 --> 00:49:50.940
 Oh yes. Um, so I'm a pastor at our church. Um, and you know, not everyone believes that women

00:49:50.940 --> 00:49:56.140
 can be, or should be pastors, you know, which is okay. You know, they're there, they can believe

00:49:56.140 --> 00:50:03.840
 what they want. I believe it is okay. Thus I am. Um, and so, yeah, I definitely get pushback. We would

00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:11.340
 literally have people join our discord server and, you know, I'll be showing online. And so at the top

00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:15.880
 right, you know, we have our staff at the top, right. And you know, it has my name and then in

00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:22.880
 parentheses, it has pastor. And I will literally just get someone who is brand new to our server,

00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:30.220
 who will just DM me like the second Timothy verses. And then like, almost like a drop mic moment.

00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:39.180
 And then they'll leave our server. And like, I honestly get that so much. And I'm like,

00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:46.500
 okay, like what, I bet you thought you did something there. Um, you know, and so it's just,

00:50:46.600 --> 00:50:52.040
 you know, stuff like that is a normal occurrence. And, you know, honestly, in the beginning, I was

00:50:52.040 --> 00:50:55.920
 like, nah, maybe I shouldn't be a pastor. I don't want to stir the waters. But at the same time,

00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:02.120
 I'm like, you know, I've, I've grown in my confidence in what God has called me to. And

00:51:02.120 --> 00:51:06.980
 I'm at a point where I'm like, you know, people are going to be people and, you know, that's okay

00:51:06.980 --> 00:51:13.880
 because, you know, I'm walking in the calling that God has called for me. And I'm truly learning to be

00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:20.220
 confident in that, not in myself, but in what God has called me to do. And so, but yeah, total pushback

00:51:20.220 --> 00:51:26.620
 for sure. You know, I would love, you just said, Amanda, you said two or three times what God has

00:51:26.620 --> 00:51:33.240
 called you to do. I would, can you do this? Can you like tell me right now what you feel like God's

00:51:33.240 --> 00:51:39.120
 called you to do? I would love to hear that. Oh gosh. Um, well, that's such a hard question to answer

00:51:39.120 --> 00:51:45.420
 because, you know, also I could go on about this, but I also feel like, you know, God calls us to

00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:50.860
 seasons. Like he calls us into new positions, opportunities, you know, et cetera, et cetera,

00:51:50.860 --> 00:51:56.560
 in different seasons. And so for this season, um, you know, I do, I feel God has called me,

00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:01.980
 uh, well, it's also been a long season. I've been with the church for seven years, so it's been a long

00:52:01.980 --> 00:52:08.420
 season, but you know, I feel like God has called me to, to be a leader, you know, for God's squad

00:52:08.420 --> 00:52:15.440
 church. Um, and you know, specifically that started as worship ministry. And so it's what I went to

00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:22.040
 college for and, you know, the worship and executive pastor. And so, um, but it started specifically with

00:52:22.040 --> 00:52:26.940
 worship and that's kind of grown. Um, and I've learned as I've learned more about myself and the

00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:34.420
 gifts that God has given me, that's kind of grown into this worship and executive position. Um, and

00:52:34.520 --> 00:52:41.300
 I just, I just, I just love it. It is just so fun, but yeah, like, I don't know how to answer that.

00:52:41.380 --> 00:52:48.540
 It's so packed. Um, but I don't know if that answered it actually, but, um, yeah, I don't know.

00:52:50.780 --> 00:52:57.820
 No, I love it. Like, listen, it's, it's culture puts women in a difficult position. Um, you know,

00:52:57.820 --> 00:53:02.920
 where you're, you're, you're in, in, in able to lead where there's hesitancy to lead, uh, you're,

00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:08.280
 you're marginalized, you're, you're discredited, you're, you're, you're thrown aside. Uh, I mean,

00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:12.600
 shoot, this goes all the way back to, to biblical times, the woman at the well, Mary Magdalene, uh,

00:53:12.940 --> 00:53:17.200
 Mary mother of Jesus, like there's, uh, and I just offended a whole bunch of, of Protestants

00:53:17.200 --> 00:53:21.980
 because of the Catholic reference. So forgive me, but you understand the point where the women are,

00:53:21.980 --> 00:53:26.680
 are discredited in many ways. Whereas the first people that saw Jesus were women.

00:53:26.680 --> 00:53:30.820
 Some of the more influential people, you know, let's, let's not even talk about Esther and Ruth

00:53:30.820 --> 00:53:36.320
 in the, of the old Testament. Like there's, there's incredible power that, that comes from, uh, from

00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:42.500
 the, from the female side of the, of biology. And so we, as a church, we need to understand,

00:53:42.600 --> 00:53:47.200
 we need to live in that tension of, yeah, the Bible says this, but, but we're, we're seeing this

00:53:47.200 --> 00:53:51.840
 and having that tension. I don't know. It's a bad thing. There's a lot of other attention areas

00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:56.100
 in the Bible that, that we need to dig into as, as we're seeing culture shift.

00:53:56.540 --> 00:54:03.180
 And, and, and adapt with some things. So listen, I, I love this conversation and I'm seeing even

00:54:03.180 --> 00:54:07.780
 mother goose has been saying a four or five times in chat. This is awesome. This is incredible. I love

00:54:07.780 --> 00:54:12.560
 this. Um, because, and, and, and I'm going to make an assumption here that mother goose is a woman

00:54:12.560 --> 00:54:18.480
 because her name's mother. Uh, maybe that's wrong, but, and I think so, uh, it's mother, a woman,

00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:24.060
 like she can yell at me right now on chat if she's not, but they're even talking about this

00:54:24.060 --> 00:54:31.000
 gives, uh, is empowers other women to be transparent with what they're going through

00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:37.160
 and get it, get it addressed and get on, get on top of it. Um, yeah, I, I, I have like such a burden.

00:54:37.640 --> 00:54:41.020
 They're strong in their faith. No, I was going to say mother goose. I can tell these ladies

00:54:41.020 --> 00:54:43.880
 are strong in their faith. All right. Now go ahead, Asia, talk to me.

00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:53.280
 I mean, I just have a burden for, for specifically, um, like, yeah, women who want to follow,

00:54:54.040 --> 00:54:57.440
 like want to be faithful to the calling that God specifically has called them to,

00:54:57.700 --> 00:55:02.020
 especially when like, you know, this is, doesn't speak for obviously every single Christian woman,

00:55:02.020 --> 00:55:06.760
 but like, I think there are a good amount of people in this space in like the Christian church

00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:15.380
 in general who were, you know, raised by families who, um, wanted them to be, you know, be discerning,

00:55:15.500 --> 00:55:21.200
 to be faithful to the Lord and, uh, to what he's called us to. And I think that like, when you get,

00:55:21.780 --> 00:55:27.180
 you become an adult and you're like in the world and trying to do that, you're in, you end up being

00:55:27.180 --> 00:55:32.000
 like met with so much weird opposition or just like weird tension when you're literally

00:55:32.020 --> 00:55:40.860
 just like trying to be faithful to, yeah, what God has called you to. And, um, and I just,

00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:46.580
 my heart just goes out, uh, for, I mean, for everyone that are like trying to follow the Lord's

00:55:46.580 --> 00:55:51.100
 calling, but specifically, like, I think women just have like a hard time, like feeling comfortable

00:55:51.100 --> 00:55:58.580
 doing what, what like they are convicted to do by the Lord and like faithfully trying to serve

00:55:58.580 --> 00:56:05.960
 in whatever way they can. Um, yeah. So I don't know. I just, my heart is for, for all, all of them,

00:56:06.020 --> 00:56:06.500
 all of us.

00:56:10.600 --> 00:56:15.220
 So what's, what's next for your respective ministries? Like we've, we've, we've probably

00:56:15.220 --> 00:56:19.280
 talked more about the women issue than your, than your ministries, but, but I'd love to know

00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:24.100
 what's coming up with God squad, God squad. What's coming up with, um, the, the content creation

00:56:24.100 --> 00:56:28.640
 and stuff that, that you're working on Asia, but let's, let's do Amanda first. Amanda, what's,

00:56:28.660 --> 00:56:31.700
 what's on the horizon? What, what can we expect to see from God squad church?

00:56:32.980 --> 00:56:39.400
 Um, so some things that we're doing next. Well, first we have, um, our Easter services. And so we

00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:46.460
 have, um, an awesome Easter service planned for next Saturday. Um, so we're really excited for that.

00:56:46.520 --> 00:56:52.140
 We're doing like a big invite challenge, encouraging our community to invite people to church. You know,

00:56:52.140 --> 00:56:58.420
 we're going to be doing gaming monitor giveaways at both services. And so, um, that's, yeah, we're,

00:56:58.420 --> 00:57:04.380
 we try to go all out for the big, you know, for the big, you know, Eastern Christmas, you know? Um,

00:57:04.720 --> 00:57:10.600
 and so we have our Easter services. We're doing a three day streamathon, um, at the end of April

00:57:10.600 --> 00:57:15.220
 announcing, um, our digital missionaries that we're going to be taking on as a church. We're going to

00:57:15.220 --> 00:57:21.740
 be financially supporting, um, three individuals within this online gaming space that are just

00:57:21.740 --> 00:57:27.920
 reaching people for Jesus. And so, you know, that's coming up. We're bringing back our squad con

00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:34.760
 in person this year, um, which is like a three day event where we come together for like live

00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:40.200
 worship, fellowship, all of that fun stuff. Um, so we're bringing that back. And so we have a,

00:57:40.300 --> 00:57:46.040
 we have a good year in store for God's squad church and a lot of awesome. Yeah. So I'm excited.

00:57:46.340 --> 00:57:52.060
 When is squad con? Uh, well, we're still in the process. It's going to be in the summer,

00:57:52.060 --> 00:57:56.540
 but it's, we're, it's going to be about end of July, beginning of August. I'm,

00:57:56.540 --> 00:58:01.220
 I'm currently in conversation with a venue. And so more details to come.

00:58:02.220 --> 00:58:07.200
 I want to have you on the podcast. I want to bring you back and bring TJ or whoever,

00:58:07.380 --> 00:58:11.320
 whoever you want to come back. But I want to, I want to unpack what happens when God's

00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:14.720
 squad church meets physical. Like, you know, it's so often your digital churches,

00:58:15.020 --> 00:58:19.500
 the assumption digital can't be physical, which is interesting because you can't be physical.

00:58:19.500 --> 00:58:25.180
 It's you're just not physical every week. And so even meeting, um, once a year, God's squad

00:58:25.180 --> 00:58:30.480
 doing squad con, like that's a great opportunity to build the relationships physically. That'll,

00:58:30.860 --> 00:58:35.580
 that'll connect it and extend it through digitally. Like, so I would love, and I'm sure some great

00:58:35.580 --> 00:58:40.560
 stories can come from that. So we'd love to unpack that, uh, summer fall. So I'll, I'll make a note.

00:58:40.640 --> 00:58:45.860
 We'll, I'll, I'll, uh, reach out to you. It'll be great. Um, all right. So Asia, talk to me a

00:58:45.860 --> 00:58:53.040
 on the roadmap for you. Yeah. Um, so, I mean, I feel like our, my streams will still be pretty

00:58:53.040 --> 00:58:56.920
 similar. Um, I'm having a bit of a schedule change just due to like my own work stuff.

00:58:57.500 --> 00:59:03.560
 And, um, so we'll just keep some of that same content, but, um, I'm in a unique position where

00:59:03.560 --> 00:59:12.340
 Luke and I both, uh, frostbite IV as he goes by on Twitch. Uh, we both, um, do like have our own

00:59:12.340 --> 00:59:18.320
 personal, um, channels and ministries and like focused social media effort in tandem. Uh,

00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:22.680
 and, and we also share a discord server. And so I really want to focus, or I have been like

00:59:22.680 --> 00:59:27.280
 focusing on, um, coming up with a plan to be really intentional with our shared discord server

00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:34.820
 and creating digital spaces off of Twitch, but like in, in another like focus space, uh, to,

00:59:35.500 --> 00:59:39.640
 um, hang out like virtually, whether that is like more just like getting work done together

00:59:39.640 --> 00:59:47.100
 or having some movie nights, just like more times for us to like, um, have shared time together

00:59:47.100 --> 00:59:51.120
 where we're not necessarily like live on the channel and it could be a little bit more intimate,

00:59:51.120 --> 00:59:56.960
 uh, in that way. Uh, so I'm really excited about that. And, um, I think with like, I actually think

00:59:56.960 --> 01:00:01.760
 with my schedule changing because of work, it ends up enabling me to be a little bit more involved

01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:05.440
 in our discord server, which is super awesome. And cause that's where our heart has been is like

01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:10.020
 really having a collected effort. So it's cool to, yeah, to share that with Luke and have our

01:00:10.020 --> 01:00:13.960
 communities come together. That's a good example of like two communities that are very different,

01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:20.020
 but they, uh, work really well together. Uh, but yeah, so I'm excited for what that will all

01:00:20.020 --> 01:00:25.880
 turn into in addition to like all the stuff that Luke is doing for Love Thy Nerd, uh, with, um,

01:00:26.120 --> 01:00:34.000
 the, uh, nerd mission summit. Oh, I already butchered the name NCMS, uh, summit, but, uh,

01:00:34.940 --> 01:00:42.200
 yes, nerd culture mission. Yeah. Yeah. Ministry. No, it is ministry. I don't know. Wow. Luke's

01:00:42.200 --> 01:00:48.640
 going to be so disappointed. Uh, but, uh, there's just a lot going on right now and it's all really

01:00:48.640 --> 01:00:54.800
 good things. So just being able to focus and hone in on the specific areas will be awesome. Uh,

01:00:54.800 --> 01:01:00.340
 yeah. Awesome. Well, very cool. Listen, I, I've, I've loved this conversation, even, even just

01:01:00.340 --> 01:01:06.620
 getting a better taste, a, um, some, some examples and some stories of maybe some of the difficulties

01:01:06.620 --> 01:01:12.600
 that, that, uh, that women streamers and even women in church are going through. And so, you know,

01:01:12.600 --> 01:01:18.700
 I want to take a moment here and, uh, and thank you all for, for, for doing this, for, for,

01:01:18.700 --> 01:01:24.300
 for pioneering, for, uh, carving the path for those to come behind, for setting an example for

01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:29.960
 others, uh, to follow suit. You know, it really is a shame to quote St. Bear in chat right now,

01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:34.360
 uh, that you all are going through the situation that you have this difficulties that, that you,

01:01:34.560 --> 01:01:40.200
 that you have to gear up for trolls at a higher level that you, you get people joining a discord

01:01:40.200 --> 01:01:45.300
 server just to throw a Bible verse in your face and run away like a coward. Uh, yes, I said that.

01:01:45.300 --> 01:01:53.760
 And so listen, it, and for, for those of us that are on the side watching, um, and like your mods,

01:01:53.860 --> 01:01:58.640
 however we can help in that situation, we, we want to, but I want to take a moment and to thank you

01:01:58.640 --> 01:02:04.120
 for, for the difficulties because you are setting an example for that next group that, that, that's

01:02:04.120 --> 01:02:09.900
 coming behind you. So thank you for that. And, and maybe it's, it's, you know, love your mod day and

01:02:09.900 --> 01:02:14.640
 it's, it's respect the women who are on this day and we can, we can make it whatever days we want.

01:02:14.740 --> 01:02:18.380
 Like it's, it's, it's, it's whatever. But let me ask this, you know, it's just as, as we're landing

01:02:18.380 --> 01:02:23.540
 the plane, as we're wrapping up here, any closing thoughts, um, Asia, any closing thoughts as we're

01:02:23.540 --> 01:02:30.960
 wrapping up? Um, I just am always encouraged to, or I don't know, just, it's awesome to have these

01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:38.560
 kinds of conversations and, um, like, you know, not, not for the sake of like speaking into, um,

01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:45.460
 a vacuum or, you know, just like talking to the same people, but the same topics. Um, I think it's

01:02:45.460 --> 01:02:49.860
 really interesting that it is actually life-giving, like the conversations that me and me and Amanda

01:02:49.860 --> 01:02:55.660
 have now been on two different, um, interviews talking about similar or like a topic similar to

01:02:55.660 --> 01:03:00.040
 this. And, um, it's been cool to have those conversations with each other that sharpens our

01:03:00.040 --> 01:03:04.500
 own like personal ministries and also how we are able to encourage, uh, each other around us.

01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:10.840
 And also people that we're having this conversation that are like not women, um, being able to, um,

01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:16.880
 just impart some perspective there. And it's, it's, I think is encouraging to them to be able to, um,

01:03:17.240 --> 01:03:21.700
 be able to serve in the better in their specific ministries. And so I just think that's a really

01:03:21.700 --> 01:03:26.420
 cool ripple effects. And I think that is like a picture of the Lord, like, like how the Lord

01:03:26.420 --> 01:03:31.200
 intended a community to be is that we, you know, sharpen each other by building those relationships

01:03:31.200 --> 01:03:37.940
 and, um, speaking life into each other. Um, so yeah, I just, I'm thankful for the opportunity.

01:03:40.220 --> 01:03:44.280
 Building relationships and speaking life even digitally. So well said.

01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:52.860
 Well, I, again, just want to thank you for this opportunity. And, you know, I think having these

01:03:52.860 --> 01:04:00.000
 conversations is so good and needed. And like Asia said, life-giving, um, you know, we're, we're not

01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.660
 going to see more women stepping up and being celebrated unless these conversations are happening.

01:04:04.660 --> 01:04:11.400
 And so, um, I'm just really glad and thankful to not just be a part, but just to see them happening.

01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:16.500
 And so thank you for the opportunity. And, you know, I just want to encourage all the ladies out

01:04:16.500 --> 01:04:23.940
 there, you know, if, if you have been thinking about stepping up into streaming or content creation

01:04:23.940 --> 01:04:31.000
 or ministry online, um, and you've been hesitant, um, you know, if this is what God is calling you to do

01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:38.280
 it, you know, get it girl, you got it. You know, um, we, we need more women stepping up. We do. We

01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:45.500
 really, really do. And so, um, yeah, those are my thoughts. Oh, very cool. Well, Hey, you know,

01:04:45.500 --> 01:04:50.120
 we're going to wrap up here, uh, with ladies night, we're going to bring it to a close girl power,

01:04:50.380 --> 01:04:55.700
 uh, go whatever else is, is there with that. But thank you, Asia. Uh, thank you, Amanda, for jumping

01:04:55.700 --> 01:05:00.980
 on the podcast and we're going to continue on. We're coming to a close here in the next week or so.

01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:05.900
 With season four here of Jesus gamers and church, the church digital podcast, but we've got to,

01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:09.760
 I think we've got a couple episodes left. We've got to check some scheduling things, but you know

01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:14.400
 what? We're, we're excited to learn what we've been learning about gamer culture, nerd culture,

01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:21.400
 and, and how the church, how we can reach people, uh, through this gaming space. And so we, once again,

01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:26.140
 thank the two ladies for jumping on, by the way, if you got hate mail, you know, it's funny. I've done,

01:05:26.140 --> 01:05:32.440
 I did a ladies, uh, thing before, um, women in ministry. And it was interesting that the women

01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:37.260
 that were actually on the podcast with me got hate as a result of what they said on the podcast.

01:05:37.780 --> 01:05:43.160
 Um, if you got hate, uh, Jeff at the church.digital and my cell phone number is literally

01:05:43.160 --> 01:05:48.240
 four, eight, four, three, two, four, eight, seven, two, four. Uh, you can send whatever hate my way

01:05:48.240 --> 01:05:52.160
 on this, but leave the ladies alone, let them do what God's called them to do. And we're going to,

01:05:52.160 --> 01:05:56.420
 we're going to land a plane right there. Thank you very much for jumping on the church digital

01:05:56.420 --> 01:05:58.820
 podcast. We'll see you next week on the show. Y'all have a good day.