WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.320 And I would suggest for many of us that are doing the digital church thing, we've got to kill the mindset. 00:00:08.620 --> 00:00:15.860 Like how we thought of church, our systems, the growth, even our ecclesiology changes in digital space. 00:00:15.860 --> 00:00:19.840 Not that it goes away from biblical. I actually believe that it goes closer towards biblical. 00:00:20.180 --> 00:00:25.900 But it's different. And our mindsets are different than it is in physical space. 00:00:26.500 --> 00:00:28.380 Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. 00:00:29.220 --> 00:00:33.220 Through this podcast, we'll talk about the technological innovations within the church. 00:00:33.220 --> 00:00:37.040 But more than tech for tech itself, we'll address deeper questions. 00:00:37.660 --> 00:00:41.720 Is disciple making possible digitally? How should we approach the digital mission field? 00:00:42.020 --> 00:00:44.600 Can a biblically grounded church operate in digital space? 00:00:45.020 --> 00:00:48.900 Oh, and where does the metaverse and artificial intelligence fit into all of this? 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:58.480 Whether you're a big or small church, the Church Digital's goal is to help churches like yours learn to be a multiplying church digitally and physically. 00:00:58.480 --> 00:01:00.640 And now here's your host, Jeff Reed. 00:01:01.440 --> 00:01:06.000 All right. Hey, you got episode 289, 289 of the Church Digital Podcast. 00:01:06.340 --> 00:01:08.340 Jeff Reed here, founder of the Church Digital. 00:01:08.520 --> 00:01:13.100 And oh, by the way, the Church Digital Podcast brought to you by Riverside. 00:01:13.160 --> 00:01:14.080 I always got to get that plug in. 00:01:14.180 --> 00:01:16.180 Love our friends over at Riverside. 00:01:16.220 --> 00:01:21.180 I got to tell you, each and every week, I find a new reason to love this software. 00:01:21.180 --> 00:01:24.960 But hey, here with 289, we get to talk. 00:01:25.140 --> 00:01:28.860 I, Jeff, I get to talk to the Church Digital family. 00:01:28.980 --> 00:01:32.140 We're adding a new format every other week here into the podcast. 00:01:32.420 --> 00:01:34.460 Hopefully you've seen it at this point. 00:01:34.540 --> 00:01:41.020 Sometimes we do a live interview where I'm interviewing people that are involved in digital ministry, digital planting, etc. 00:01:41.420 --> 00:01:42.760 Literally all over the world. 00:01:43.380 --> 00:01:49.500 Or sometimes it's just me doing a stream, talking to people through the Church Digital fam. 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.780 And so today is that time where, hey, you get me. 00:01:54.320 --> 00:01:55.260 Now we did this. 00:01:55.340 --> 00:01:59.000 I know this is post-Easter as you're listening to this podcast or on YouTube. 00:01:59.360 --> 00:02:08.320 But we did this live stream Thursday, I guess Mondo, Monday, Monday, however you say it, Thursday, the day before Good Friday. 00:02:08.860 --> 00:02:12.560 And so it was a great time hanging out with the friends. 00:02:12.740 --> 00:02:15.320 We talked digital church planting. 00:02:15.440 --> 00:02:16.160 We talked multiplication. 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:17.860 We talked apprenticing. 00:02:17.860 --> 00:02:25.920 We talked about how spring up a well means something completely that I did not realize that it meant. 00:02:26.220 --> 00:02:32.860 And so some interesting parallels, even getting into like, we were talking beer and alcohol and cigar. 00:02:33.740 --> 00:02:36.680 Like it was random, some of the stream. 00:02:36.740 --> 00:02:39.020 The first 10 minutes I think you'll find entertaining. 00:02:39.180 --> 00:02:44.520 But even beyond then, man, it was great hanging out with some friends and seeing some friends I hadn't seen in months 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:49.740 and looking forward to connecting with them years and looking forward to connecting with them as well. 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:55.840 But, hey, we did want to make this content available for you all, the TCD podcast listeners. 00:02:56.120 --> 00:03:03.060 And so for a while, you know, I don't know how long we'll do this, but for a while, every other week will be me doing just a monologue live stream. 00:03:03.660 --> 00:03:07.160 And then the opposite weeks we'll continue on doing the interviews. 00:03:07.160 --> 00:03:12.280 Oh, my gosh, got some really cool interviews coming up in the weeks to come. 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:20.800 Some interesting partnerships, they're getting ready to announce some interesting voices, getting ready to come in and speak towards some ideas, 00:03:20.920 --> 00:03:22.620 especially on this digital metaverse planting. 00:03:23.700 --> 00:03:25.160 The whole metaverse game is going to blow up. 00:03:25.700 --> 00:03:29.100 Like it's going to be completely different than what we think it is. 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:32.880 And it's fun kind of just even seeing that coming up on the horizon. 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:34.720 So stay tuned on that. 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:35.520 I can't leak it. 00:03:35.760 --> 00:03:37.100 I can't leak that today. 00:03:37.100 --> 00:03:45.340 What I can leak, and it's not leaking, it's official, is that the Church Digital, we're launching a community like today, this week. 00:03:46.060 --> 00:03:49.540 And so right now we're moving away in time. 00:03:49.700 --> 00:03:52.520 We're moving away from our Mighty Network community. 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:53.340 It's been home. 00:03:53.660 --> 00:03:56.520 But me casa, Sue casa, by casa, it's time to move on. 00:03:57.060 --> 00:04:02.080 And so now our casa, our home, our community, is going to be over on Discord. 00:04:02.480 --> 00:04:06.260 And so if you're interested in checking us out on Discord, go ahead and do that. 00:04:06.340 --> 00:04:12.060 Click on, open up your web browser and go to discord.thechurch.digital. 00:04:12.180 --> 00:04:15.520 Web browser, discord.thechurch.digital. 00:04:15.760 --> 00:04:18.480 And that will get you straight into our Discord community. 00:04:18.620 --> 00:04:20.240 Jump in, create an account if you don't have one. 00:04:20.640 --> 00:04:21.900 And oh my gosh, Discord's so cool. 00:04:22.520 --> 00:04:25.740 And we talk about that in the stream a little bit. 00:04:25.880 --> 00:04:27.620 But definitely, we'll see you in Discord. 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:28.700 Come hang out with us. 00:04:29.080 --> 00:04:30.480 And why are we on Discord? 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:31.700 We'll talk about that in the stream. 00:04:32.060 --> 00:04:33.160 What do we want to do in Discord? 00:04:33.260 --> 00:04:34.340 We'll talk about that in the stream. 00:04:34.700 --> 00:04:36.280 And what are we doing? 00:04:36.860 --> 00:04:38.740 Like that's all in the stream. 00:04:38.840 --> 00:04:39.620 Why are we doing it? 00:04:39.660 --> 00:04:40.480 In the stream too. 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:41.940 This is a really good conversation. 00:04:42.320 --> 00:04:48.100 And so for this podcast, I'm presenting me, myself, and I, not Jim Carrey. 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:49.440 Was that a Jim Carrey movie? 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:49.640 No. 00:04:49.840 --> 00:04:55.980 Jeff with the Church Digital in a conversation that I'm calling, I don't know, 00:04:56.380 --> 00:04:58.480 Beer, Multiplication, and the Digital Church. 00:04:58.600 --> 00:04:59.660 Okay, we're going to go with that one. 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:01.440 We will make that stick. 00:05:01.640 --> 00:05:02.000 Beer. 00:05:03.300 --> 00:05:03.960 What did I say? 00:05:04.100 --> 00:05:09.440 Beer, Digital, Multiplication, and the Digital Church. 00:05:09.580 --> 00:05:10.420 That is what we're going to do. 00:05:10.420 --> 00:05:12.080 Beer, Multiplication, and the Digital Church. 00:05:12.140 --> 00:05:12.660 Okay, everybody. 00:05:13.080 --> 00:05:13.520 Here you go. 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:16.920 All right. 00:05:17.020 --> 00:05:17.640 Hey, everybody. 00:05:17.860 --> 00:05:19.840 Welcome to the Church Digital. 00:05:20.060 --> 00:05:22.480 Streaming out there for the fam here on the community. 00:05:22.660 --> 00:05:23.720 It's Holy Week. 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:24.440 Hey, Whitebeard. 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:26.160 Punk monk. 00:05:26.460 --> 00:05:27.480 Man, I loved hanging. 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:31.620 I got to hang out with Whitebeard, I guess, a week or so ago. 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:32.160 It's been a minute. 00:05:33.100 --> 00:05:34.300 I've been on vacation. 00:05:35.020 --> 00:05:36.700 Jeff Reed here, founder of the Church Digital. 00:05:36.700 --> 00:05:45.660 And I was sitting poolside yesterday in Vero Beach, Florida at the Disney World Resort that's there on the beach. 00:05:46.500 --> 00:05:48.300 And, well, I'm back now. 00:05:48.300 --> 00:05:49.900 I kind of still wish I was poolside. 00:05:49.900 --> 00:05:51.900 There was, it's a beach resort. 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:54.920 My family went to the beach. 00:05:55.120 --> 00:06:04.620 I, with the diabetic neuropathy, walking on sand is not a good thing for somebody who has no feeling in their feet. 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:06.560 Except excruciating pain. 00:06:06.780 --> 00:06:08.100 And that, actually, I tried it. 00:06:08.180 --> 00:06:08.940 And it didn't hurt. 00:06:09.200 --> 00:06:09.300 So. 00:06:09.940 --> 00:06:12.500 But I am back, looking forward to hanging out. 00:06:12.580 --> 00:06:14.480 And it's Holy Week here. 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:21.900 And so I know there's a lot of stress going on with a lot of our physical church staff and volunteers that are out there. 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:23.620 This is a big week. 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:25.120 This is the Super Bowl week. 00:06:25.200 --> 00:06:25.680 Hey, Hector. 00:06:26.460 --> 00:06:27.100 Leighton as well. 00:06:27.180 --> 00:06:27.640 Flat cap. 00:06:27.740 --> 00:06:30.400 I was just texting flat cap a minute ago right before the stream. 00:06:30.540 --> 00:06:31.620 He was checking in on me. 00:06:32.320 --> 00:06:34.360 And so, yeah, things are good. 00:06:34.420 --> 00:06:37.060 Holy Week here with the Church Digital. 00:06:37.060 --> 00:06:47.800 It's funny, like, the closer we get, kind of, I'll be honest, the month heading into Easter, we, the Church Digital, we kind of, you know, quiet down a little bit. 00:06:47.960 --> 00:06:49.320 Like, we don't make as much noise. 00:06:49.380 --> 00:06:51.360 Now, I know flat cap and Tom. 00:06:51.580 --> 00:06:57.060 And there's been a lot of work that's been happening over the past couple weeks with some devotionals. 00:06:57.700 --> 00:07:02.500 I know JMO, I saw, did one recently, Andy as well, on YouTube shorts. 00:07:02.520 --> 00:07:03.780 And that's been really good. 00:07:03.780 --> 00:07:07.340 We've seen a lot of energy, a lot of views get into that. 00:07:07.420 --> 00:07:10.060 Our viewership's actually gone up as a result of some of these devos. 00:07:10.140 --> 00:07:13.640 You can grab them, check them out there on the Church Digital on YouTube. 00:07:14.740 --> 00:07:26.700 But really, in the Church world, so much energy goes into actually doing the Easter service, to getting that perfection level in place for that Sunday morning, 9 a.m. 00:07:27.760 --> 00:07:31.500 And, you know, some services, actually, when I'm doing the stream, it's, was it Maundy Thursday? 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:32.920 I actually have no idea what that means. 00:07:32.980 --> 00:07:35.760 I never grew up in a church that celebrated that. 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:38.320 But I know my church is doing a Good Friday service tomorrow. 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:46.460 And so if you're doing Maundy Thursday tonight, if you're doing a Good Friday Friday, if you're doing a, I don't know, I don't think Saturday's anything. 00:07:46.460 --> 00:07:53.700 But I know some churches do a Saturday service before Sunday service, trying to get everybody maximum capacity in the building on Sunday morning. 00:07:54.880 --> 00:08:04.680 You know, whatever you're doing, I pray that somewhere in the midst of all of this that you find God, or that God finds you over the course of the Easter week. 00:08:05.460 --> 00:08:14.100 In my story, as a church staffer, Easter 2011 is actually a, Holy Week 2011, I should say, is a horror story. 00:08:14.900 --> 00:08:16.280 I actually wrote a blog for Rezzy. 00:08:17.020 --> 00:08:20.600 I'll put, when we do this for the blog in the show notes, I'll find it. 00:08:20.640 --> 00:08:21.940 I think it's published. 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:24.340 If not, it's going to be published, like, within the next week or so. 00:08:24.940 --> 00:08:25.360 No, no, no. 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.380 It was published before Easter, because it was an Easter blog. 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:42.180 But it was, it was my horror story of Easter 2011, of how I worked 106 hours, I think, last I calculated, was just, was in a situation where, you know, I'm not saying I was used and abused. 00:08:42.300 --> 00:08:44.120 I led myself into that situation as well. 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:46.160 I claim responsibility as well as those who led me. 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:55.040 But at the heart of it, you know, that Easter, day after Easter Monday, I was on churchstaffing.com trying to find my next job. 00:08:55.040 --> 00:08:57.200 And three months later, my family lived in a different state. 00:08:58.100 --> 00:09:04.920 And so there's, I know there's a lot of difficulties that go into Easter and things like that. 00:09:05.040 --> 00:09:07.480 And it's so easy to say this is just for a season. 00:09:08.020 --> 00:09:10.360 And for some, it was just for a season. 00:09:11.160 --> 00:09:17.000 You know, for me in that situation, I was three years into saying this is just a season, this is just a season, this is just a season. 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:19.020 And, you know, it wasn't a season. 00:09:19.160 --> 00:09:20.780 It was just the reality of it. 00:09:20.780 --> 00:09:37.940 And so wherever you are on your road and wherever God has you on your journey, I pray that God finds you this Easter in a way that is life-giving and is restorative to you for the days and the weeks and the months to come. 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:38.620 Thank you. 00:09:39.060 --> 00:09:39.940 You know, it was funny. 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:44.840 When I was in 2011, if somebody, there was, there were actually, his name was Scott. 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:47.320 He was, he was a graphic artist at the church that I was at. 00:09:48.460 --> 00:09:53.860 And, man, I, if I had said I'd killed myself that week, I'd killed myself that week. 00:09:53.940 --> 00:09:56.360 I was working at 3 a.m. 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:59.720 I was getting up at 3 a.m. on business, on property. 00:10:00.060 --> 00:10:02.880 I was working until 3 a.m. on the flip side. 00:10:02.980 --> 00:10:07.500 Like there were 20 hours, 24-hour days straight through, just working different campuses. 00:10:09.060 --> 00:10:15.900 But the reality was that nobody said thank you except for this guy, Scott, who is a graphic artist. 00:10:16.740 --> 00:10:18.620 And he, and, and dude told me thank you. 00:10:19.280 --> 00:10:20.980 And I literally broke down crying. 00:10:22.340 --> 00:10:23.380 So, fun story. 00:10:23.540 --> 00:10:23.960 Another day. 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.260 You want to, like, you know, take me out to lunch, buy me coffee, buy me a beer. 00:10:28.460 --> 00:10:29.460 Can I say that on the stream? 00:10:29.900 --> 00:10:30.800 Is that, is that allowed? 00:10:30.940 --> 00:10:32.520 I'll have to, I have to ask Andy if I can say that. 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:33.980 But we can get together. 00:10:34.060 --> 00:10:36.220 We can have that conversation offline and that's great. 00:10:36.220 --> 00:10:40.220 But, hey, listen, I am looking forward to hanging out with you today on this stream. 00:10:40.880 --> 00:10:43.880 Hector, Whitebeard, and even Leighton. 00:10:43.940 --> 00:10:45.820 Man, what, what are your Easter plans? 00:10:45.940 --> 00:10:47.240 Give me something in chat. 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:50.520 Let me click over to the, to the chat so I can actually see. 00:10:51.040 --> 00:10:54.720 Monday is commandment, a new commandment I give you to love one another. 00:10:54.820 --> 00:10:55.460 Okay, thank you. 00:10:55.560 --> 00:10:56.100 Thank you for that. 00:10:56.220 --> 00:10:59.980 I am, beer means well or spring in Hebrew. 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:00.400 Really? 00:11:00.680 --> 00:11:01.180 Flat cap. 00:11:01.460 --> 00:11:02.300 Drop in the knowledge. 00:11:03.180 --> 00:11:08.480 The word beer means a, a well or a spring. 00:11:08.920 --> 00:11:11.920 Spring up new life, gush, gush, gush, gush in my soul. 00:11:12.340 --> 00:11:15.100 Spring up a well, splish, splash, and make me whole. 00:11:15.300 --> 00:11:16.500 You're telling me that means beer? 00:11:16.660 --> 00:11:17.380 That's like beer? 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.680 Because, dang, I did not know that. 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.840 That just, like, that warms the soul, man. 00:11:25.040 --> 00:11:27.640 I can't, I cannot wait. 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.680 That, I was just singing that in my stream today, LOL. 00:11:30.680 --> 00:11:36.440 Well, all right, we're two for two with a stream up, oh, spring up a well in, in beer. 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:42.100 So we've got good Friday lunch service tomorrow and then Easter Sunday and barbecue at home 00:11:42.100 --> 00:11:42.700 with some family. 00:11:42.800 --> 00:11:48.340 Nothing, nothing sings respecting Jewish traditions by cooking up some barbecue. 00:11:48.800 --> 00:11:50.980 Throw some pork on, on, on that and that'll be great. 00:11:51.060 --> 00:11:52.140 Does that make beer living water? 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.060 I, I think so, White Beard. 00:11:54.220 --> 00:11:56.620 I am, I am all about that. 00:11:57.380 --> 00:12:01.140 Man, I, I tell you, I, I love these streams, hanging out with you guys and getting to hear 00:12:01.140 --> 00:12:01.580 from you. 00:12:01.940 --> 00:12:04.260 Good Friday, all music and dance. 00:12:06.260 --> 00:12:12.960 White Beard, I was telling, I was telling my kids, my daughter is 15 and my son is 13. 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.240 We were driving up to, to Vero Beach. 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:19.720 And, um, now my, now let me say this about my daughter. 00:12:19.800 --> 00:12:26.640 My daughter has helped me launch a, when she was, I mean, I'm trying to do math in my head. 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:27.560 Maybe she was 11. 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:29.380 This was pre COVID 2019. 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:31.960 She was, she's 15 now. 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:33.560 So 10, she was 10 and 11. 00:12:34.300 --> 00:12:39.820 She helped me launch a, a multi-site location set up and tear down at a, at a public school 00:12:39.820 --> 00:12:40.460 in Miami beach. 00:12:41.520 --> 00:12:43.660 Uh, so like she was, it was funny. 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:45.840 I asked her, how do you, how do you plant the church, Caitlin? 00:12:46.340 --> 00:12:49.900 And she said, well, first off, you need to find the people and then you need to invite 00:12:49.900 --> 00:12:50.920 them to, to church. 00:12:50.920 --> 00:12:52.320 And then you need to tell them about Jesus. 00:12:53.140 --> 00:12:57.400 Uh, and so like she is, she just has always had, had a heart towards, towards planting. 00:12:57.620 --> 00:12:59.920 We've, we've done the church plant now here with reality church. 00:12:59.920 --> 00:13:04.740 So she's, she's actually successfully helped me launch two different organizations in her 00:13:04.740 --> 00:13:05.580 15 year life. 00:13:05.740 --> 00:13:11.360 And so I was, um, and when I'm telling, when I say like helped me launch, like my, my 10 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.380 year old daughter would be telling adults what to do. 00:13:13.380 --> 00:13:15.060 And the adults would be like, thank you, Caitlin. 00:13:15.160 --> 00:13:18.140 And, and doing it like, it was high level respect on both sides. 00:13:18.660 --> 00:13:22.100 And so I was telling my daughter about what you were doing. 00:13:22.540 --> 00:13:25.880 Um, you know, they don't, they don't know, uh, the area where you are. 00:13:25.940 --> 00:13:26.540 I can't think of that. 00:13:26.640 --> 00:13:28.900 I cannot think of the name of the city right now, but I pulled it. 00:13:28.900 --> 00:13:30.160 It starts with an eye at the time. 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:31.780 Tell me the name of the city where you are white beard. 00:13:32.520 --> 00:13:37.100 Um, like the, the little niche area, but I described it as kind of like the, the art 00:13:37.100 --> 00:13:41.280 district that we have here in Miami, which I can't think of either because I am way not 00:13:41.280 --> 00:13:41.520 cool. 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:42.040 Eber city. 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:42.420 Thank you. 00:13:42.820 --> 00:13:47.400 Uh, it sounds like it, it's a Y, but it sounds like it's an I, um, you know, but I, I knew 00:13:47.400 --> 00:13:51.520 it's, it's like, um, I mean, I can't think of it now either, but it's the, it's the art 00:13:51.520 --> 00:13:56.880 district that we've got here in Miami and that you're walking around dressed up in a monk outfit, 00:13:56.880 --> 00:14:01.680 like on Friday night, handing out water bottles and people are coming up to you looking for 00:14:01.680 --> 00:14:06.520 you to, to like pray with you because they want to talk to the monk and, and that that's 00:14:06.520 --> 00:14:10.180 like your personality and like, oh my gosh, she was like, daddy, I want to go see that 00:14:10.180 --> 00:14:10.400 daddy. 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:11.580 I want to go be a part of that daddy. 00:14:12.140 --> 00:14:17.680 And so man, white beard, we may come hang out with you on a Friday night, um, sometime 00:14:17.680 --> 00:14:18.600 in Eber city. 00:14:19.100 --> 00:14:23.180 Uh, I'll probably go get a cigar, uh, and you know, be smoking that along the way too. 00:14:23.340 --> 00:14:24.260 But can I say that? 00:14:25.140 --> 00:14:26.860 Uh, flat, flat cap. 00:14:26.980 --> 00:14:30.620 Is there any spirituality to, um, uh, smoking a cigar? 00:14:31.620 --> 00:14:37.260 I mean, sometimes the cigar is just a cigar if I do want to quote Freud, but, um, man, 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.740 if we could, I mean, if, if, if, if spring up a well is really talking about beer, man, 00:14:41.760 --> 00:14:47.320 if we could like get something on a, uh, on, on a cigar, then my life can be complete. 00:14:47.420 --> 00:14:49.540 You know, actually I can't, I can't drink beer much anymore. 00:14:49.540 --> 00:14:54.160 I have to be really careful because of the, the yeast and the sugar content of, of all 00:14:54.160 --> 00:14:54.400 that. 00:14:55.300 --> 00:14:58.140 Oh, being healthy sucks. 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:00.000 I was, I was in Disney world. 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.940 It's, it's, it's like, it's like the Mecca of, uh, at least it's Disney park, but it's 00:15:03.940 --> 00:15:06.180 the Mecca of, of Disney dessert desserts. 00:15:07.140 --> 00:15:11.600 And it's like, I couldn't have any of it because like it would effectively like, well, a pain 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:12.360 and B kill me. 00:15:12.700 --> 00:15:16.840 So I love a cigar, but I don't know any biblical connections off to investigate that work on 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:17.080 that. 00:15:17.760 --> 00:15:18.640 Google is your friend. 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:19.860 Thank you, flat cap. 00:15:20.260 --> 00:15:21.000 So good. 00:15:23.780 --> 00:15:27.540 And our, in our podcast listeners are like, what the garbage is going on? 00:15:27.540 --> 00:15:33.960 They're talking about beer and cigars and smoking and Disney desserts and, and, uh, the beach. 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.380 And Hey, listen, when I'm, I am still on vacation. 00:15:36.380 --> 00:15:38.760 I am still, it's five o'clock somewhere, right? 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.280 It's actually, uh, 1210 on a Thursday. 00:15:43.280 --> 00:15:46.420 I'll get AI to write the theology of it up. 00:15:47.160 --> 00:15:48.200 Uh, AI. 00:15:48.380 --> 00:15:49.900 AI can do many things. 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:50.240 I don't know. 00:15:50.300 --> 00:15:55.780 I trust AI for theology, or at least I trust AI to create the first draft. 00:15:56.100 --> 00:15:56.780 You know, it was funny. 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:57.760 We did that with Kenny Jang. 00:15:57.880 --> 00:15:58.280 Kenny Jang. 00:15:58.380 --> 00:16:02.280 I asked Kenny on the podcast, Hey, what, what, what, how much do you trust the AI? 00:16:03.280 --> 00:16:08.940 And he says, uh, AI, it was a great, and AI, you know, Kenny's like the church expert right 00:16:08.940 --> 00:16:10.680 now in AI or one of the loud, loudest voices. 00:16:10.680 --> 00:16:11.880 What did he say? 00:16:12.280 --> 00:16:15.480 It's like, AI is like a great research assistant. 00:16:15.920 --> 00:16:21.120 You trust them to do the legwork, but you never want to just turn it in outright without vetting 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:22.000 and, and verifying. 00:16:22.640 --> 00:16:23.740 So there you go. 00:16:23.940 --> 00:16:26.520 Uh, but I finally started using AI. 00:16:26.660 --> 00:16:26.820 Yeah. 00:16:26.880 --> 00:16:28.740 Even, even, even flat caps getting into AI. 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:29.360 Wow. 00:16:30.660 --> 00:16:31.560 That's interesting. 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:33.860 So it's, it's a turn of the times, man. 00:16:34.620 --> 00:16:37.400 AIs don't run from AI. 00:16:38.740 --> 00:16:42.040 I mean, listen, at some point it's going to take over the world and that's okay. 00:16:42.060 --> 00:16:47.980 Like, I mean, maybe it should, but whenever we get there, uh, might join you all in grabbing 00:16:47.980 --> 00:16:48.480 a cigar. 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.720 So, uh, Hector, Hector, remind me, are you San Antonio? 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:53.720 Are you Houston? 00:16:54.020 --> 00:16:55.660 Are you, where are you in Texas? 00:16:57.860 --> 00:17:00.180 I promise you, we're going to get into our podcast here in a minute. 00:17:00.280 --> 00:17:02.220 I am just, I'm having fun with some friends here. 00:17:02.300 --> 00:17:03.700 Hector will let us know here in a minute. 00:17:04.260 --> 00:17:06.200 Uh, but let's actually, oh my gosh. 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:08.920 Yes, near San Antonio, about an hour south of. 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:09.160 Okay. 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:09.360 Yeah. 00:17:09.380 --> 00:17:09.520 Yeah. 00:17:09.520 --> 00:17:12.660 I thought you were outside, but somewhere down there, man, that's great. 00:17:12.740 --> 00:17:15.040 So man, you're like an hour from the Mexican border. 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:19.340 Cause I know San Antonio is not too far from, from Mexico at that point. 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:21.840 Very cool. 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:22.800 Yeah. 00:17:22.980 --> 00:17:24.460 Two-ish, two-ish from, from Mexico. 00:17:24.540 --> 00:17:24.760 Okay. 00:17:24.860 --> 00:17:25.340 Sounds good. 00:17:26.280 --> 00:17:29.000 Um, Hey, I don't know if you guys saw this. 00:17:29.060 --> 00:17:33.880 We announced it last week on, on the church digital podcast, but, uh, the church digital, 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:35.820 we're moving over to discord. 00:17:35.820 --> 00:17:42.780 We are, um, you know, the, our, our time here with, uh, with mighty networks has been nice. 00:17:43.300 --> 00:17:46.680 I don't want to be overly critical of, of our home. 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:54.060 Um, but there's, there's a lot to being said to building a community outside of where people 00:17:54.060 --> 00:17:58.060 are instead of building a community where people are. 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:02.140 Uh, it's interesting and I'm, I'm not going to overly spiritualize this, but I was executive 00:18:02.140 --> 00:18:07.300 pastor of a, of a, of a church for a season, a multi-site church here in Miami. 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:11.320 And, um, uh, it was a brief season, but pre COVID. 00:18:11.520 --> 00:18:16.860 And, and I said to, I said to the campus pastors, I was like, Hey, you guys are, are the, you're 00:18:16.860 --> 00:18:17.660 not campus pastors. 00:18:17.740 --> 00:18:19.180 You're, you're, you're community pastors. 00:18:19.840 --> 00:18:22.100 Like don't pastor within the building. 00:18:22.100 --> 00:18:24.680 We've got to be pastors outside of the building. 00:18:24.800 --> 00:18:27.760 We've got to be connecting where people are. 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:30.240 Uh, and so go meet the people. 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:31.880 Don't hide in the building. 00:18:32.080 --> 00:18:34.000 Don't hide in the refuge of the cross. 00:18:34.600 --> 00:18:38.640 Go outside and start connecting with people and bring them in the building. 00:18:39.100 --> 00:18:42.460 And if you're not going to do that, then nobody in this church is going to do that. 00:18:42.560 --> 00:18:44.960 You campus pastors have got to set the standard for that. 00:18:47.660 --> 00:18:51.340 And in many ways, you know, like I said, I'm not trying to overly spiritualize this, but 00:18:51.340 --> 00:18:56.400 I, I, I really kind of felt like hiding in that refuge is, is what we were doing with 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:02.980 this, this community where we weren't, we weren't actually out there connecting with people. 00:19:03.460 --> 00:19:07.060 Um, we weren't engaging, we weren't dialoguing, we weren't, we weren't meeting. 00:19:07.740 --> 00:19:12.440 Um, and yes, our connections, maybe we're, we're doing that, but, but really having the community 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:16.700 being more accessible, uh, is, is really our heart. 00:19:17.660 --> 00:19:21.380 And, and, and trying to also realize the people we're trying to reach this next generation. 00:19:22.340 --> 00:19:25.940 Um, man, they're not, they're not hanging out in mighty networks. 00:19:25.940 --> 00:19:29.920 And it was really hard getting them to go over to mighty networks, but where they are 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:31.100 is discord. 00:19:32.120 --> 00:19:35.740 And so that's why we, the church digital, we're, we're in the process of launching. 00:19:35.740 --> 00:19:40.240 We're self-launching it this week, hard launching it actually Monday, the day after 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:43.000 Easter, launching it that day. 00:19:43.740 --> 00:19:53.320 So, um, go to, uh, website, web browser, discord.thechurch.digital, discord.thechurch.digital. 00:19:53.380 --> 00:19:54.200 That'll get you in. 00:19:54.340 --> 00:19:56.720 That's your vanity URL to get you into our community. 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.120 I don't know how many we got in there right now, but one more, once you join us and, uh, 00:20:01.120 --> 00:20:02.240 you can hang out with us. 00:20:02.420 --> 00:20:08.680 And, um, I know Andy, uh, who's on vacation this week in actual Disney world, uh, East Holy 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:17.880 week is, uh, Andy is excited about launching that, um, uh, the, the community is, is Andy's 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:22.560 actually going to be doing a big part of what's going to be happening in, uh, discord. 00:20:22.740 --> 00:20:25.940 And so we've got 33 as of now, but looking forward, obviously to ramping that up. 00:20:25.940 --> 00:20:29.380 And there's going to be a lot of energy, uh, going into our discord. 00:20:29.580 --> 00:20:33.880 I mean, he's talking about live podcast streams and game nights and movie nights. 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:38.880 And, you know, I mean, you know, discord guys, um, you know, are very excited about the discord 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:39.360 platform. 00:20:39.360 --> 00:20:42.940 So I think it's going to be really exciting to see some of the energy, even as we're 00:20:42.940 --> 00:20:46.380 talking, I'm, I'm talking about to work in virtual office hours in discord. 00:20:46.380 --> 00:20:47.740 I think we all are at some level. 00:20:47.740 --> 00:20:54.020 And so even being more accessible individually within discord, uh, to be able to meet with 00:20:54.020 --> 00:20:58.480 people like our heart is to be very transparent as an organization. 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:05.540 And I think that discord helps us get there a step more than what, um, mighty networks 00:21:05.540 --> 00:21:05.920 can do. 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:11.860 Plus the, I mean, just the features within the community set, uh, no, no disrespect to mighty 00:21:11.860 --> 00:21:12.260 networks. 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:16.580 Mighty networks has been a good home, but, um, it's been lacking in some areas that we were 00:21:16.580 --> 00:21:17.980 hoping would be developed by now. 00:21:19.100 --> 00:21:20.280 Oh, virtual office hours. 00:21:20.380 --> 00:21:20.760 Very cool. 00:21:20.820 --> 00:21:20.980 Yeah. 00:21:21.080 --> 00:21:21.600 Flat cap. 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:21.840 Yeah. 00:21:21.940 --> 00:21:23.900 Well, I don't, maybe you missed that. 00:21:24.040 --> 00:21:25.060 Maybe you missed that meeting. 00:21:25.180 --> 00:21:26.460 We'll get you an update on that soon. 00:21:26.460 --> 00:21:31.220 Uh, and then it's, and then ask you to come up with those hours too, uh, C H Spurgeon 00:21:31.220 --> 00:21:31.980 smoke cigars. 00:21:32.080 --> 00:21:34.280 So at least it puts us in good company. 00:21:34.900 --> 00:21:36.460 Uh, white beard, punk monk. 00:21:36.780 --> 00:21:37.580 Uh, awesome. 00:21:37.820 --> 00:21:41.880 So yeah, I mean, like I, like I said, it's, um, sometimes a cigar, maybe it's just a cigar, 00:21:42.020 --> 00:21:43.900 but it can be a fun cigar. 00:21:44.580 --> 00:21:47.400 So I, it's funny. 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:49.560 I, I see like six doctors at this point. 00:21:49.740 --> 00:21:54.220 And, um, do you, and they ask me all the time, you know, do you, do you drink? 00:21:54.220 --> 00:21:57.580 I was like, not that much, you know, cause at this point I don't. 00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:00.320 And, um, do you smoke cigars? 00:22:00.460 --> 00:22:05.500 You know, I used to say like, yes, but it's only like, you know, four cigars a year. 00:22:05.500 --> 00:22:09.460 Cause I, you know, only when I'm in social circles out with people when I, well, I smoke 00:22:09.460 --> 00:22:09.720 one. 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:16.160 And, um, and they would always like the four, it was funny when doctors like four, you need 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:17.140 to get that down to two. 00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:21.120 He's like, cause there's a big difference between smoking four cigars a year and two 00:22:21.120 --> 00:22:21.520 cigars a year. 00:22:21.580 --> 00:22:22.720 It's like, fine, I'll get it down to two. 00:22:23.780 --> 00:22:28.520 And, um, and so now it's probably, it's probably zero, honestly, but you know, fine, I'll say 00:22:28.520 --> 00:22:29.920 two and okay. 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:30.380 So I'm sorry. 00:22:30.380 --> 00:22:32.220 I smoke like two cigars a year, just socially. 00:22:32.620 --> 00:22:36.420 And, um, some doctors will freak out on me for smoking two cigars a year. 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:38.720 And some doctors will be like, two's nothing. 00:22:38.820 --> 00:22:40.200 I'm not even going to write that on my chart. 00:22:40.540 --> 00:22:42.120 Uh, but it's so funny. 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:44.220 Like they, they all, they all just have their own different opinions. 00:22:44.940 --> 00:22:49.620 Uh, I, Leighton's like, I smoke while I blow snow or, or mow the lawn. 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:50.800 Awesome. 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:55.260 So we're talking about, uh, snowblowing and, uh, mowing the yard here on the church digital 00:22:55.260 --> 00:22:55.660 podcast. 00:22:55.800 --> 00:22:57.920 We are 15 minutes into this live stream. 00:22:58.400 --> 00:22:59.420 Uh, so much fun. 00:22:59.500 --> 00:22:59.760 All right. 00:22:59.780 --> 00:23:01.800 Hey, let's actually get into the topic at hand. 00:23:01.860 --> 00:23:02.720 This is going to be great. 00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:08.200 Um, Hey, we have, I have a philosophy in some of what I'm going to roll out probably in the 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:14.140 stream over the next couple of weeks is really getting to this philosophy of, of what we're 00:23:14.140 --> 00:23:17.200 doing, we, the church digital, what we're, what we did, what we're doing in ministry. 00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:23.520 And at the same time, what we're encouraging digital churches, digital church planters, planters 00:23:23.520 --> 00:23:24.220 to do as well. 00:23:26.840 --> 00:23:31.760 Um, over the span of time through COVID and all I've, I've developed a framework. 00:23:31.760 --> 00:23:33.460 I mean, I guess, I guess that's the right word. 00:23:33.540 --> 00:23:36.860 We're still kind of piecing it together and, and I'm working it out in my head. 00:23:37.140 --> 00:23:41.100 And if we talked about this in the podcast recently, you know, it's, it's the, it's that 00:23:41.100 --> 00:23:49.780 our, uh, our connections, our digital connections need to drive people to community within that 00:23:49.780 --> 00:23:50.140 community. 00:23:50.140 --> 00:23:55.680 We build relationships that lead towards discipleship, disciple making, and our disciple making 00:23:55.680 --> 00:24:00.540 always needs to be driven towards multiplication to create the loop. 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:07.580 So we've got digital connections, which lead towards community where discipleship happens, 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:09.740 which leads towards multiplication. 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:16.200 You know, it's interesting, uh, Barbara Carnero, who is a CEO of word revolution. 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:18.400 She's new to TCD leadership. 00:24:18.700 --> 00:24:22.140 Uh, just invited her on, I don't know, maybe a couple of weeks ago. 00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:25.740 And she's now the, maybe a month ago, she's now the, uh, connections. 00:24:26.380 --> 00:24:31.060 So she's overseeing connections and, and, uh, Andy's overseeing community and, and Jason 00:24:31.060 --> 00:24:35.700 Morris is overseeing our discipleship and, and Layton is, is assimilation kind of helping 00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:36.900 everybody drive all the way through. 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:40.500 Um, but, um, uh, but it was interesting. 00:24:40.760 --> 00:24:44.840 Uh, Barbara sent me an article, uh, and I'll, I'll put this in the show notes as well. 00:24:45.320 --> 00:24:50.620 Uh, but it was an article from variety, uh, magazine variety. 00:24:50.860 --> 00:24:54.180 Uh, no, it wasn't variety, variety business. 00:24:54.380 --> 00:24:56.880 It was, oh my gosh, I'm blanking on the name of the company. 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:58.220 It wasn't variety, but it was one of those. 00:24:58.220 --> 00:25:05.140 It was like, it was a, it was a, it was a fashion company, but it was that fashion business. 00:25:05.360 --> 00:25:09.060 And I was like, I didn't realize fashion companies had business websites. 00:25:09.060 --> 00:25:13.820 And so it was like, but it was really, it was a really trendy, really artistic article, 00:25:13.820 --> 00:25:22.720 but it was talking about how the word funnel is dead and about how we, we look at how, um, 00:25:23.080 --> 00:25:31.480 marketing basically Gen Z and Gen A, they broke the funnel of, of, of the funnel process of 00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:35.200 driving everything down from top to bottom and getting deeper down the funnel and then getting 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:36.600 the conversion down at the bottom. 00:25:37.540 --> 00:25:46.180 Because what, what Gen A and Gen Z did is the goal is not to get the conversion. 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:53.580 The goal is actually to get the, that Gen A, Gen Z person to become a brand ambassador. 00:25:53.900 --> 00:25:59.300 Like it's not enough at this point to actually get the, and from a business standpoint here, 00:25:59.320 --> 00:26:01.200 it's not enough to get the sales transaction. 00:26:02.360 --> 00:26:05.220 It's not enough to get somebody to buy your product. 00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:08.960 The goal is not to get the money in the bank. 00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:14.340 The goal is actually to get that person to become a brand ambassador, to get so excited 00:26:14.340 --> 00:26:22.220 about what your business product is, to actually start their own funnel and process and to become 00:26:22.220 --> 00:26:27.260 a mouthpiece for what, um, for what you're selling. 00:26:28.220 --> 00:26:33.280 Um, and it's interesting, like that's actually discipleship one-on-one Seth, Seth Godin. 00:26:33.380 --> 00:26:36.460 I've quoted this Seth Godin way back in nine, nine, 19, 2019. 00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:41.400 Um, you know, somebody asked Seth Godin, how to get your message quoted or how to get your 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:42.260 message heard around the world. 00:26:42.620 --> 00:26:45.440 Seth said, you know, telling a billion people is not the answer. 00:26:45.520 --> 00:26:49.140 A billion people don't care about anything you specifically have to say, craft a message 00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:55.120 specifically for someone, get them to see it, excuse me, get them to see it, hear it, understand 00:26:55.120 --> 00:26:57.960 it, and then get them to tell someone else. 00:26:58.180 --> 00:27:01.220 Like it's that repetitive motion. 00:27:02.280 --> 00:27:03.320 That's what's in place. 00:27:03.560 --> 00:27:06.720 Jesus, um, you know, is, is the light of the world. 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:13.500 And as we are to, to hear, we are to go, uh, the church in Acts two, as they actually, I 00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:17.360 think it was Acts eight, I apologize, but the early church of Acts, Jerusalem, as they 00:27:17.360 --> 00:27:20.480 were dispersed, as they went, they told. 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:28.680 And so what you're seeing is a dispersion, a diaspora, should we say of, of the church ideas. 00:27:30.560 --> 00:27:39.260 And in digital space, I, I would suggest that that multiplication down at the bottom, that 00:27:39.260 --> 00:27:41.900 it's not just enough for us to get conversions. 00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:44.880 It's really enough. 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:53.120 It's a challenge for us to challenge those people to multiply, to not just build the mega 00:27:53.120 --> 00:27:59.700 church, the giga church, but instead to build multiple churches that are specifically aimed 00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:07.460 and targeted at nuances and niches, niches, niches, niches, niches, however you say that niches. 00:28:07.580 --> 00:28:08.360 Don't say it that way. 00:28:08.380 --> 00:28:11.680 That's weird, but that's the goal. 00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:15.660 And what's interesting is Barbara, Barbara was so excited. 00:28:15.740 --> 00:28:18.840 She sent me this article and she's like, we're already think this way we're ahead of the curve. 00:28:19.340 --> 00:28:24.460 And so variety magazine or whatever it was that variety business that came up with this article 00:28:24.460 --> 00:28:29.020 talking about the death of the, the marketing funnel, we were ahead of the game. 00:28:29.020 --> 00:28:29.840 Thank you very much. 00:28:29.900 --> 00:28:32.320 And I give full credit to Seth Godin and Jesus Christ. 00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.600 I'll let the two of those, I'll let you figure out the two of those together, but no, that's 00:28:35.600 --> 00:28:35.780 good. 00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:37.800 But let's talk about this. 00:28:37.840 --> 00:28:38.780 So the top here. 00:28:39.980 --> 00:28:43.200 So really it's not even a funnel as, and that's what I told Barbara. 00:28:43.280 --> 00:28:47.040 It's like, man, we've got to, we got to work on this language because I keep wanting to 00:28:47.040 --> 00:28:47.840 describe it as a funnel. 00:28:47.840 --> 00:28:51.040 And, and, and, and, but it's not a top, it's more of a loop. 00:28:51.620 --> 00:28:54.260 It's, it's like this, it loops back around. 00:28:54.260 --> 00:29:01.080 And so as we have connections, we invite those connections in the community. 00:29:01.560 --> 00:29:08.180 Within that community, we build relationships and, and get towards a disciple making relationship. 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:14.560 And within the disciple making relationship, that's where we, we teach towards multiplication 00:29:14.560 --> 00:29:17.580 and, and empower and mobilize people to do their own thing. 00:29:17.580 --> 00:29:22.060 And now they're reaching their connections and, and build those into community or invite 00:29:22.060 --> 00:29:23.000 those into our community. 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:25.700 But you can see how it, it loops. 00:29:25.700 --> 00:29:27.640 It constantly loops. 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.760 And there's different layers to this. 00:29:30.300 --> 00:29:31.040 We want this. 00:29:31.220 --> 00:29:33.660 We can use, you know, some church planting world, that's called generations. 00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:37.040 And so we want to see multiple generations. 00:29:37.180 --> 00:29:40.320 We want to see multiple loops come out of this. 00:29:40.380 --> 00:29:42.900 We want to see multiple layers come out of this. 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:44.200 We want it to be complexity. 00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:45.740 This is a messy thing. 00:29:46.280 --> 00:29:47.520 It's okay to be messy. 00:29:47.520 --> 00:29:51.980 If you've ever launched a multi-site church and you've gone from one campuses to three campuses, 00:29:51.980 --> 00:29:54.920 you know, one to two campuses is easy. 00:29:56.260 --> 00:29:59.320 You can fake two campuses being stable. 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:04.680 When you get the three campuses, it's very hard to fake stability with campus number three. 00:30:04.820 --> 00:30:06.740 Campus number three is very messy. 00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:08.400 It's very awkward. 00:30:08.620 --> 00:30:12.980 It's very painful because you break every system with one campus with campus three. 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:14.960 Or campus three dies. 00:30:15.520 --> 00:30:18.780 And so you've got to, you've got to kill the systems. 00:30:19.080 --> 00:30:20.300 You've got to kill your mindset. 00:30:21.620 --> 00:30:26.240 And I would suggest for, for many of us that are doing the digital church thing, 00:30:27.100 --> 00:30:29.000 we've got to kill the mindset. 00:30:30.120 --> 00:30:37.520 Like how we thought of church, our systems, the growth, even our ecclesiology changes in digital space. 00:30:37.520 --> 00:30:39.620 Not, not that it goes away from biblical. 00:30:39.780 --> 00:30:44.020 I actually believe that it goes closer towards biblical, but it's, it's different. 00:30:44.900 --> 00:30:47.580 And our mindsets are different than it is in physical space. 00:30:48.580 --> 00:31:03.420 You know, I've talked on this podcast where I've had at least two different organizations offer me jobs within the past couple of years to be a, you know, one church actually vocally said they wanted to be a million person church online. 00:31:04.560 --> 00:31:11.400 And, um, I actually, I don't, I don't think they ever got off the ground, but they offered me a job to come on staff with them to blah, blah, blah. 00:31:11.540 --> 00:31:12.240 And it's like, you know what? 00:31:12.260 --> 00:31:16.760 I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't even know that I agree that there needs to be a million person church. 00:31:17.120 --> 00:31:21.040 Um, you know, I think that's unwieldy. 00:31:21.100 --> 00:31:21.940 I think that's large. 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.640 I think that's structurally awkward. 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.580 I think that's, uh, numeric. 00:31:25.660 --> 00:31:27.280 I don't know that that's relational. 00:31:27.540 --> 00:31:32.160 Um, like there's, there's a lot of challenges you've got with a, with a million person church. 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:35.480 Even the desire for a million person church. 00:31:35.560 --> 00:31:41.420 I mean, I, I, I, let's find a hundred of those hundred people in that and let's launch a hundred thousand person churches. 00:31:41.420 --> 00:31:42.620 I think the math is right there. 00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:45.260 Uh, the scale needs for support. 00:31:45.500 --> 00:31:45.820 Yeah. 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:51.860 I mean, that even, even a digital, like, could you imagine trying to be relational with a million people, uh, online? 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.860 Like you don't have the, you don't have the easability of physicality. 00:31:56.180 --> 00:31:58.240 Uh, now you've got more access. 00:31:58.580 --> 00:32:01.180 Uh, but it's, it would be, it certainly would be a challenge. 00:32:02.280 --> 00:32:08.600 Um, a thousand, 10, a thousand, 10 person churches would be a hundred thousand. 00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:09.460 That I do know, Leighton. 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:17.680 Um, but you get my point is that, man, if we need to be, we need to be thinking different. 00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:22.840 And that's where I, that's where I love this idea of, of smaller churches. 00:32:22.840 --> 00:32:24.960 I love this idea because it's more relational. 00:32:25.520 --> 00:32:29.260 Um, I love this idea of intentionally focus on multiplication. 00:32:30.100 --> 00:32:39.520 And part of that means just right off the bat, like, who are we, who are we mentoring today to be able to, um, hand this thing off? 00:32:40.520 --> 00:32:45.020 If, who are we mentoring today to be the next generation pastor tomorrow? 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:54.800 Who are we mentoring today to be in the, in the best, um, well, I mean, I'll just even touch on that as I'm literally coughing in the microphone. 00:32:57.060 --> 00:32:59.520 You know, I'm not, I'm not the long term. 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:15.440 It's interesting when I launched the church digital and when I, when I spun off digital church network, even digital church network specifically, I, I, I, I'm not saying I heard a voice of God telling me, but just in my heart, I knew I was not going to be the long term solution for digital church network. 00:33:16.660 --> 00:33:33.860 Um, but at the same time, I just, I had this like comfort that I was not going to be the long term solution. 00:33:34.300 --> 00:33:46.240 Like if there's going to be a global organization that runs to plants, uh, uh, digital churches across the planet, it does not need to be a white bald man with a very oppressive looking beard at this point. 00:33:46.300 --> 00:33:47.200 Go check me out on YouTube. 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.240 If you haven't seen it, I like, I like the beard, how it's, that's coming in, man. 00:33:52.540 --> 00:33:55.060 Never done this before, but Hey, listen, no, seriously. 00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:57.000 I just, I didn't think it was going to be me. 00:33:57.120 --> 00:34:11.720 I, and even, even as I'm running the church digital, that's why when I came back, um, recently, um, I told, I told leadership, I was like, no, no, no, I'm not. 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:13.080 It's not Jeff leading. 00:34:13.180 --> 00:34:15.080 It's we're, we're being led as a leadership. 00:34:15.080 --> 00:34:16.940 We're doing a team leadership here. 00:34:17.860 --> 00:34:21.540 Um, because I don't, I, I don't have the health capacity. 00:34:21.660 --> 00:34:23.240 B, I don't have the energy right now. 00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:33.100 C, I'm not even sure I'm the right person, but ultimately D, we need to find the next generation. 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:41.380 Like the people that we have in place for the church digital, uh, the team that I mentioned, our senior leaders are incredible. 00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:47.060 But honestly, I'm, I'm looking for the people that's going to take it to the next generation. 00:34:48.060 --> 00:34:52.640 I'm, I'm looking for those next generation leaders that are going to step up and, and that's who I want to meet. 00:34:52.640 --> 00:35:05.520 And that's who I want to start the dialogue and talk about what here, their passion for digital discipleship and their desire to see disciples grow into leaders that are planting churches and multiplying churches in the networks and starting movements globally. 00:35:06.060 --> 00:35:18.700 Like for me, that's what I want to see, the next generation version of the church digital, um, and empower that guy or that gal or that team to do what they're doing. 00:35:20.700 --> 00:35:23.120 That's a very selfless approach, is it not? 00:35:24.220 --> 00:35:37.980 To be able to have a, and I don't say this of my own, to toot my own horn or my own fruition, but I mean, I very easily could have, um, kept this idea for myself. 00:35:39.640 --> 00:35:42.920 Probably would have been easier to monetize had I kept it all for myself. 00:35:42.980 --> 00:35:45.280 Instead, the money that comes in, I, I, I paid the team. 00:35:45.620 --> 00:35:50.680 And so, like, to be honest, from a nonprofit standpoint, I haven't made a penny off the church digital. 00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:53.820 I've made some money off some of the consulting that I did, but that's, that's been it. 00:35:55.400 --> 00:36:05.480 And so organizationally, even, hey, you know, instead of doing a podcast, a church digital podcast, I've encouraged the network and we've developed five or six shows. 00:36:05.600 --> 00:36:08.740 It's funny, just even yesterday, I've talked with a guy about starting a new show. 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:09.280 I'm really excited. 00:36:09.380 --> 00:36:10.120 I'm not going to announce it yet. 00:36:10.180 --> 00:36:10.800 I'm going to tease it. 00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:11.520 It's going to be cool. 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.780 It's going to be the most non-digital digital show we're doing. 00:36:15.620 --> 00:36:20.300 Um, but I'm really excited about, yeah, I'm not going to tease, I'm not going to sell you. 00:36:22.580 --> 00:36:24.740 But it's not about me. 00:36:25.740 --> 00:36:26.880 Was it John 3 30? 00:36:27.140 --> 00:36:28.080 He must become greater. 00:36:28.160 --> 00:36:28.860 I must become less. 00:36:30.080 --> 00:36:36.680 And, um, you know, that has, that verse has always resonated in my life because it can't be about me. 00:36:37.560 --> 00:36:46.520 Um, it can't be about my desires and my wants if it's going to be about God, if it's going to be about Jesus, if it's going to be about discipleship and multiplication. 00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:49.000 Now, if I want to make it about me, I can make it about me. 00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:54.700 Build something around Jeffrey to make, have a bunch of stooges doing what Jeffrey wants to do. 00:36:54.700 --> 00:36:56.280 And that may or may not work. 00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:59.040 That may or may not be more effective, but I don't know that that's going to have the legs. 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:10.020 And so, um, multiplication is so important to this. 00:37:11.240 --> 00:37:12.200 Who are you multiplying? 00:37:12.860 --> 00:37:14.240 Who are you working with? 00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:17.400 Who are you mentoring? 00:37:18.080 --> 00:37:19.160 Who are you apprenticing? 00:37:19.160 --> 00:37:21.700 What does it even look like to apprentice or mentor someone? 00:37:24.060 --> 00:37:25.740 These are great questions and challenges. 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:26.940 And these are the things to wrestle with. 00:37:27.100 --> 00:37:28.160 I mean, they're through the Church Digital. 00:37:28.300 --> 00:37:30.820 We've done tons of podcasts on, on mentoring and apprenticing. 00:37:33.540 --> 00:37:35.180 Well, we'll put one in the show notes. 00:37:35.520 --> 00:37:39.060 Um, I'm thinking we did one with Eric Metcalfe way back. 00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:45.420 Um, you know, in his context was not digital, but, um, you know, talked about what that would look like. 00:37:47.500 --> 00:37:54.080 Um, it's one of the things I love about, you know, seeing what, what Mark is doing with, um, uh, nerd culture. 00:37:55.640 --> 00:38:10.360 You know, developing nerd culture actually united that entire group, um, all the, all the streamers. 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:20.720 You know, if Mark was egotistical, if Mark was thinking about himself, he would not have created nerd culture ministry collective. 00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:22.400 He would not be doing the summits. 00:38:22.460 --> 00:38:25.880 He would not be doing the podcast show that he's doing. 00:38:26.020 --> 00:38:37.620 Instead, he would be focusing on building out Lux, even if it meant, um, dominating some of his competition and knocking him out and taking streams. 00:38:38.120 --> 00:38:47.700 He would be talking about absorbing Jates and, and some of the others and, and building up his brand, Lux Digital Church. 00:38:50.080 --> 00:38:51.760 And there may be some of that. 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:52.880 I actually have no idea. 00:38:53.440 --> 00:39:03.420 But the reality is, is that instead of him absorbing and trying to build up his Lux Digital Church brand, he's putting energy. 00:39:03.540 --> 00:39:09.740 He's putting energy into Lux and he should, but he's putting energy into nerd culture, which is this network. 00:39:10.300 --> 00:39:23.060 That really seeks to strengthen the, and unify the existing stream, Christian streamers that are out there and at, and digital missionaries and digital churches. 00:39:23.640 --> 00:39:31.640 But at the same time, looking to train that next generation and create resources for that next generation to come along and do what God has called them to do. 00:39:32.520 --> 00:39:40.800 And that deserves respect because it's very easy to be singular focused and me focused in ministry. 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:49.200 Entitled, egotistical, spoiled, looking at self instead of God. 00:39:50.700 --> 00:39:57.360 And instead there's that challenge before us, John 3, 30, he must become greater, I must become less. 00:39:59.020 --> 00:40:06.300 That was actually, it's funny, white, no white beard, it's not you, but there was a, um, uh, a sticker. 00:40:07.120 --> 00:40:16.080 You know, I used to own a Christian bookstore and actually, uh, a Christian, a second store called a Christian head shop called, hey, Stacy, Christopher, Christopher Monroe. 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:18.740 Holy cow, dude, man. 00:40:18.780 --> 00:40:20.460 It has been a minute. 00:40:20.560 --> 00:40:21.380 How are you doing, man? 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:27.040 Chris, I haven't, I haven't thought of you in a long time. 00:40:27.200 --> 00:40:28.640 We got to catch up, man. 00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:29.500 Great to see you. 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.960 Um, man, Kentucky, I'm kind of concrete. 00:40:34.080 --> 00:40:35.860 I want to know everything of what's going on. 00:40:35.860 --> 00:40:38.720 Um, I will email you after the show. 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:42.440 Let's find the time to jump on, on a Zoom call or phone call and catch up, man. 00:40:42.620 --> 00:40:46.040 Chris, I have, I have not thought about you in a while. 00:40:46.120 --> 00:40:47.660 I hope things are going good in your world. 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:49.180 You and you, man, I'm blanking on your wife. 00:40:49.240 --> 00:40:50.240 Was your, was your wife's name? 00:40:50.660 --> 00:40:50.980 Chris? 00:40:51.200 --> 00:40:52.020 Is Christine? 00:40:52.900 --> 00:40:53.800 No, no, no. 00:40:53.980 --> 00:40:55.000 I'm blanking on it right now. 00:40:55.020 --> 00:40:55.420 I'm sorry. 00:40:56.700 --> 00:40:58.740 Um, but there was this bumper sticker. 00:41:00.680 --> 00:41:03.660 That I had in pouring concrete right now. 00:41:03.660 --> 00:41:08.180 I'm glad I can entertain you and, uh, don't pour, don't pour yourself into a corner while 00:41:08.180 --> 00:41:09.060 you're pouring concrete. 00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:10.180 Chris, Christy. 00:41:10.300 --> 00:41:11.160 I knew it was close. 00:41:11.620 --> 00:41:12.020 Yes. 00:41:13.160 --> 00:41:14.960 Chris and Christy Monroe. 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:18.600 Um, they were, it's funny talking about Mark. 00:41:18.680 --> 00:41:21.980 It was, it was, if I'm, I think I'm getting my cohort, right? 00:41:22.020 --> 00:41:22.680 It was Mark. 00:41:22.740 --> 00:41:24.020 It was, it was Mark Lutz. 00:41:24.140 --> 00:41:26.240 It was, uh, Chesley Lundy, who we all know. 00:41:26.340 --> 00:41:27.500 And, uh, Chris Monroe. 00:41:28.140 --> 00:41:35.960 Those were the, the three, uh, guys that were part of the first digital church planting cohort 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:36.880 that Stadia ever did. 00:41:37.980 --> 00:41:39.840 Those were the, those were the first three guys. 00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:42.800 And I, I had no freaking idea what I was doing. 00:41:43.080 --> 00:41:48.440 Like it was, it was take the Stadia playbook and just try to digitize it on the fly. 00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:55.820 Um, and there were, there were lots of lessons and even the Stadia playbook was kind of changing. 00:41:56.020 --> 00:41:56.860 And I love Stadia. 00:41:56.920 --> 00:42:01.360 I'm not ripping Stadia at all, but the Stadia playbook was changing like in real time. 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.340 And so I couldn't even get what they were saying, really, not down. 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:09.260 And, oh man, but it was so much fun working, working with, uh, with Chris and Christy on that. 00:42:10.340 --> 00:42:16.860 Hey, but this, this bumper sticker, I mean, it's literally, it's, it's, uh, he, he, he must become greater. 00:42:17.160 --> 00:42:18.180 I must become less. 00:42:18.240 --> 00:42:20.740 It was literally like one by one by four inch. 00:42:21.140 --> 00:42:22.580 Uh, and we saw him at the bookstore. 00:42:22.580 --> 00:42:24.560 We sold him at this head shop called C2 eight. 00:42:24.820 --> 00:42:27.340 It's basically a Christian version of hot topic and packs. 00:42:27.340 --> 00:42:30.220 And we saw a hundred people come to Christ in a, in a brick and mortar mall. 00:42:30.940 --> 00:42:34.360 In West Palm beach, Florida, literally we brought a hundred kids to Christ. 00:42:34.900 --> 00:42:41.020 Um, witnessing and trained my employees to witness using like Christian t-shirts that were up, up on walls. 00:42:41.980 --> 00:42:42.420 Incredible. 00:42:42.580 --> 00:42:43.460 We were praying for people. 00:42:43.540 --> 00:42:44.060 Kids were coming. 00:42:44.300 --> 00:42:49.220 They would, after school, they would come to our, oh, Stacy knows C2 eight. 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:49.580 Yeah. 00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.960 See, Stacy, I ran the first C2 eight out of the state of California. 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:59.000 Um, we actually had a, uh, well I had license. 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:06.980 I had money promised to open C2 eights up and down the state of Florida, Miami, Fort Lauderdale, 00:43:07.080 --> 00:43:08.920 West Palm beach, Tampa, Orlando. 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:11.840 Um, I think there was a six location. 00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:15.820 I multiple millions of dollars were earmarked to me. 00:43:15.900 --> 00:43:18.800 I was in my twenties, uh, were earmarked. 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:20.640 Um, I had to get a proof of concept. 00:43:20.740 --> 00:43:22.080 I had to get one story to succeed. 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.080 If one store would have succeeded, it would have been great. 00:43:25.080 --> 00:43:28.940 And so I invested into one store, C2 eight, West Palm, Wellington green. 00:43:29.860 --> 00:43:33.800 And, uh, long story short, the year was 2007. 00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:43.680 And, uh, a wise man known as Barack Obama in his presidential campaign used the word recession. 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:47.080 And the economy fell apart. 00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:53.580 Like all he had to do was just, and I love Barack, but all he had to do was say the word. 00:43:53.580 --> 00:43:55.960 And just saying that word brought it into being. 00:43:56.060 --> 00:43:56.860 No, that's not true. 00:43:56.860 --> 00:43:58.720 But the economy fell apart. 00:43:58.860 --> 00:44:00.000 The money dry, dried up. 00:44:00.040 --> 00:44:01.680 And actually I lost multiple businesses. 00:44:01.680 --> 00:44:07.260 I lost two businesses as, as a result of that 2008 election, the bookstore, as well as my C2 eight, 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.880 as well as future C2 eights, but man, it was, it was so much fun. 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:17.480 I ran that C2 eight Stacey for maybe three years, two years. 00:44:18.120 --> 00:44:20.160 It was, it was two hours away from me. 00:44:21.120 --> 00:44:23.240 Cause I lived in Miami and it was in West Palm beach. 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:29.440 And so I hired a manager, Ryan Elo, um, and who was a friend of mine from college. 00:44:29.980 --> 00:44:31.820 And he moved down here. 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:33.540 He had a friend moved down here. 00:44:33.540 --> 00:44:36.100 We had to be the assistant manager. 00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:37.260 We hired kids. 00:44:37.740 --> 00:44:42.360 Actually, we fed a lot of our, our, the kids that found Christ, we fed them into local churches 00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:49.820 and, um, um, life church, Wellington green actually benefited a lot from us. 00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:50.800 We actually sent them. 00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:51.920 They had just came about. 00:44:52.120 --> 00:44:55.240 And so they were new in the area and we were crazy and they were crazy. 00:44:55.240 --> 00:45:00.280 And so like, we, we really, at the time ended up in there, like the, the manager, one of the, 00:45:00.380 --> 00:45:03.780 one of our assistant managers at C2, it actually became the youth pastor over there. 00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:07.200 And like, so it was just great relationship between the two church, the church and our organization. 00:45:08.200 --> 00:45:15.400 Um, but we would have kids come over after school and do like Bible studies and, and like come 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:16.440 over and they'd have bad days. 00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:18.320 And then we want to pray with, with the employees. 00:45:19.200 --> 00:45:25.080 Um, oh, it was really, it was the first time I ever looked at doing ministry outside of the box. 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:28.560 And it was interesting at the time. 00:45:28.560 --> 00:45:35.840 I wouldn't have said that's church, but in hindsight, I, I don't know, maybe, maybe we 00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:37.740 were doing church in a brick and mortar mall. 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:41.160 I mean, we had, we had connections. 00:45:41.720 --> 00:45:43.620 So let's, let's look at my, my, my funnel here. 00:45:44.380 --> 00:45:50.640 We had connections, um, you know, and, and through those connections, um, with, uh, with the 00:45:50.640 --> 00:45:55.120 conversations we're having with, with people in the store, we're, we're, we're engaging them, 00:45:55.120 --> 00:45:56.920 we're dialoguing them, we're sharing Jesus with them. 00:45:57.820 --> 00:45:59.000 They're finding Christ. 00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:02.880 And then we're inviting them into a community. 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:07.940 Now the community wasn't the best and it really, it wasn't, this is the downside where 00:46:07.940 --> 00:46:08.700 it probably wasn't church. 00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:14.820 We weren't, it's not like we were intentionally focused on discipleship. 00:46:14.900 --> 00:46:20.320 We were more really the focus on evangelism because we wanted, the model was we wanted to 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:23.380 partner with churches for this ongoing discipleship and growth. 00:46:25.120 --> 00:46:33.000 Um, but really even just having long-term discipleship growth in place, more focused 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.300 towards empowering them towards discipleship. 00:46:35.420 --> 00:46:39.760 And, and yeah, it could have been interesting to, to spin that off as a church model. 00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:45.480 But in hindsight, as I'm thinking about it, probably was more of a, a mall missionary, 00:46:46.260 --> 00:46:47.480 mall at Wellington Green missionary. 00:46:47.680 --> 00:46:48.700 I don't know, brick and mortar mission. 00:46:48.820 --> 00:46:49.280 I don't, I don't know. 00:46:50.160 --> 00:46:52.480 Um, headshot missionary, headshot missionary. 00:46:52.700 --> 00:46:54.020 Maybe that, that's what we should call it. 00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:54.820 Good times. 00:46:57.380 --> 00:46:58.400 He must become greater. 00:46:58.480 --> 00:46:59.240 I must become less. 00:47:00.580 --> 00:47:01.260 You know, it's funny. 00:47:01.300 --> 00:47:07.020 I can actually tell you the dollar figure of how much, uh, over, well, a hundred, I think 00:47:07.020 --> 00:47:08.420 it was like 107 officially. 00:47:09.980 --> 00:47:11.660 107 people coming to Christ cost. 00:47:11.900 --> 00:47:17.600 Um, because I know exactly how much money I lost running that business, um, for the two 00:47:17.600 --> 00:47:18.620 and a half years that it ran. 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:23.600 Um, and actually it's cheaper than a lot of our churches in America. 00:47:23.820 --> 00:47:24.580 So yay me. 00:47:25.220 --> 00:47:31.700 Uh, but the, the fact is, is that, um, God was glorified even through a failing business, 00:47:31.700 --> 00:47:35.560 uh, because a failing business that lasted two years in a brick and mortar mall in Wellington 00:47:35.560 --> 00:47:44.200 Green, um, now, um, has a hundred people in the kingdom as a result of it, over a hundred 00:47:44.200 --> 00:47:45.820 people in the kingdom as a result of it. 00:47:46.120 --> 00:47:46.920 It's interesting. 00:47:47.060 --> 00:47:48.580 You know, I can actually tell you the names. 00:47:48.640 --> 00:47:52.440 There's a couple of those kids that died, um, since then. 00:47:52.660 --> 00:47:54.880 And I've been notified. 00:47:55.200 --> 00:47:56.440 I was married at the time. 00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:58.580 Uh, I was also a workaholic at the time. 00:47:58.900 --> 00:47:59.540 Thank you, Stacy. 00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:06.820 Um, one of the moms was very close, uh, to the, to the store. 00:48:07.180 --> 00:48:11.220 And, uh, one of the, one of the kids that found Christ through the ministry of the mall 00:48:11.220 --> 00:48:18.100 actually had, uh, uh, found Christ, uh, but had a terminal disease and died maybe a year 00:48:18.100 --> 00:48:18.600 or two later. 00:48:19.260 --> 00:48:23.520 And, um, yeah, it's just a really sweet time. 00:48:25.660 --> 00:48:29.720 You know, when you're on the front lines of ministry, whether it's physical or digital, 00:48:29.720 --> 00:48:30.680 it's, it's interesting. 00:48:30.680 --> 00:48:37.640 Like that was, it was a physical relationship for many, but I, I was in Miami. 00:48:37.640 --> 00:48:44.720 And so even my connections with this mom really was when I was writing blogs with runwithgod.com. 00:48:44.860 --> 00:48:49.360 I had blogged thousands of blogs before blogging was even like a thing. 00:48:49.980 --> 00:48:59.140 And so, but the relationships, even via email in the early mid two thousands, like these are, 00:48:59.140 --> 00:49:06.340 are valid, um, the, the, the intimacy to, to connect with people and to feel their pain. 00:49:07.780 --> 00:49:12.400 I met this mom once at the funeral of her son. 00:49:13.560 --> 00:49:20.320 Um, but the support that we were able to give, uh, to her, even though, um, two hours away 00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:26.460 via a very fast car, uh, Ford F-150 driving, I guess it was a Dodge Ram at that point, but 00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:27.280 driving very fast. 00:49:28.240 --> 00:49:33.280 Um, listen, digital connections, digital relationships are real and valid. 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:41.600 Our connections, the relationships that we have with people digitally, our social media relationships, 00:49:41.600 --> 00:49:47.740 our email databases, our websites, the people we, we, we connect with at conferences or that 00:49:47.740 --> 00:49:49.740 we meet in stores or whatever. 00:49:50.420 --> 00:49:56.540 That has to be, we have to engage those people and start to build relationships, hoping that 00:49:56.540 --> 00:49:59.360 the, we can get these people connected into a community. 00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.380 This woman found community for us in C2-8. 00:50:06.820 --> 00:50:07.620 I mean, yeah, she had a church. 00:50:07.680 --> 00:50:09.440 She was actually part of Life Church, as I recall. 00:50:10.080 --> 00:50:17.500 Um, but she would talk about how, like, the, the friends that her son had through C2-8 and 00:50:17.500 --> 00:50:22.940 the friends that were connecting with her were part of her community, was part of her support 00:50:22.940 --> 00:50:23.220 group. 00:50:23.500 --> 00:50:27.740 Stacy, um, you, you would be better, um, I haven't told this story in a decade. 00:50:27.740 --> 00:50:32.020 And so, like, even just trying to use your stories, your, your, your language for dealing 00:50:32.020 --> 00:50:40.120 with grief, um, we were there for her as an organization, even remotely, and, um, and 00:50:40.120 --> 00:50:43.860 helped her grieve for her, the loss of her son. 00:50:47.500 --> 00:50:55.480 Through that community, I would challenge us as churches to recognize that discipleship 00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.320 happens best in community. 00:50:58.120 --> 00:51:05.720 If we look at, oh, so many books, uh, but the, probably the best one right now is the 00:51:05.720 --> 00:51:13.440 other half of Church, um, was, was written very recently, um, by, uh, Wilder, and I can't 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:14.620 think of the other guy's name right now. 00:51:15.660 --> 00:51:18.220 But that's a book that focuses on brain science. 00:51:18.720 --> 00:51:22.980 Actually, I mean, they literally get to a brain scientist, the other guy, not Wilder, but 00:51:22.980 --> 00:51:29.420 the other one's a brain scientist, and they talk about how the brain works in, in processing 00:51:29.420 --> 00:51:30.380 discipleship. 00:51:31.160 --> 00:51:36.480 And, and the long story, read the entire book, it's fascinating, but at the end of it, hey, 00:51:36.580 --> 00:51:37.060 you know what? 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.920 Discipleship happens best when it happens in community. 00:51:41.500 --> 00:51:42.900 Not when you sit and listen. 00:51:43.560 --> 00:51:48.820 Discipleship happens best when, when you, when you live it out, when you act it out, when 00:51:48.820 --> 00:51:51.140 it's, when it's a conversation, not a monologue. 00:51:55.060 --> 00:51:58.720 And so, hey, let's, let's preach that sermon online. 00:51:59.020 --> 00:52:01.100 Hey, my dream, I've had a pastor tell me this. 00:52:01.180 --> 00:52:06.960 My dream is to get more views of my sermons than there are YouTube views of Baby Shark. 00:52:07.620 --> 00:52:13.060 Go ahead and, uh, YouTube Baby Shark and see how many views there are of the, the Baby Shark. 00:52:13.160 --> 00:52:13.900 Do, do, do, do. 00:52:14.300 --> 00:52:15.080 Yeah, Leighton knows. 00:52:15.380 --> 00:52:16.020 He's got that one. 00:52:16.180 --> 00:52:17.240 He's, he's already typing in. 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:18.680 He knows what the number is without even looking. 00:52:19.020 --> 00:52:20.120 Oh, no, he's laughing at me. 00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:21.260 No, I'm not kidding. 00:52:21.980 --> 00:52:23.880 I have had somebody tell me that. 00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.760 God told me that my sermon will be viewed more than Baby Shark. 00:52:28.340 --> 00:52:29.420 Billy Graham came close. 00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:32.200 Maybe. 00:52:36.200 --> 00:52:43.820 But even Billy Graham knew enough to, hey, anywhere I speak, I want to leave behind me an army 00:52:43.820 --> 00:52:50.120 of churches ready for follow-up because we are not doing drive-by evangelism. 00:52:52.180 --> 00:52:56.340 We need to leave a community behind for these people to connect with. 00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:10.800 I had an African-American pastor tell me once, Jeff, I want to hear my, my sermon, her, I 00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:13.560 want to hear my, I want to see my sermon purred around the world. 00:53:13.700 --> 00:53:18.300 I literally want to see somebody in Ethiopia come to Christ and get baptized because of 00:53:18.300 --> 00:53:18.760 my sermon. 00:53:20.200 --> 00:53:21.420 Hey, that's awesome, pastor. 00:53:21.520 --> 00:53:22.200 I love your vision. 00:53:23.120 --> 00:53:28.680 What happens when, um, what happens when, uh, that person gets baptized? 00:53:29.080 --> 00:53:29.800 What's next? 00:53:30.260 --> 00:53:31.880 What do you do with that person after they get baptized? 00:53:32.520 --> 00:53:33.520 Oh, Jeff, I don't know. 00:53:33.560 --> 00:53:34.300 That's not my problem. 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:40.900 Well, let's make it your problem, pastor. 00:53:41.940 --> 00:53:45.280 And I got to sit down with that guy and actually explain to him why it was his problem. 00:53:46.300 --> 00:53:47.800 Thankfully, it is his problem now. 00:53:48.260 --> 00:53:52.060 And he is doing something about the guy that gets baptized in Ethiopia. 00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:07.580 The challenge before us is to create disciple, multiply disciple makers and unleash them in digital 00:54:07.580 --> 00:54:09.060 and metaverse spaces. 00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:13.260 Tsunami's desire to plant a hundred churches in virtual reality. 00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:19.140 Mark's desire to reach it and really affect gaming culture, even out and beyond what, uh, 00:54:19.140 --> 00:54:19.940 Lux is doing. 00:54:20.080 --> 00:54:23.520 Like, this is the dream of, of the church digital. 00:54:24.080 --> 00:54:28.340 Even, you know, some of the stuff that, um, that they're doing in Germany. 00:54:29.820 --> 00:54:33.920 Like I, you know, it would be so easy for me to say, oh my gosh, I want, I want that to 00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:34.120 be. 00:54:34.200 --> 00:54:38.640 How do you say the church, uh, digital in, um, in, in German? 00:54:39.300 --> 00:54:41.900 Uh, it's a digitale kirsch, I believe. 00:54:42.020 --> 00:54:44.480 I don't know what the is, but a cloud kirsch. 00:54:44.560 --> 00:54:44.660 Yeah. 00:54:44.720 --> 00:54:46.260 Cloud church is what they call it. 00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:52.260 But, and, and they're actually, the singular church is beta, beta church. 00:54:53.600 --> 00:54:59.480 It would be so easy for me to go on an ego trip and to say, hey, you know what? 00:54:59.680 --> 00:55:02.720 Like, I want that to be the church digital branding. 00:55:02.940 --> 00:55:03.440 Let's do that. 00:55:03.500 --> 00:55:04.160 Let's convince that. 00:55:04.240 --> 00:55:04.940 Let's resource him. 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:05.640 Let's give him. 00:55:05.640 --> 00:55:12.600 But only if he agrees to, and make him sign a non-disclosure NDA, a non-compete waiver. 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.320 And, you know, I, we can, you know, legalese this crap. 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:19.800 I don't even know how to legalese in multiple nations, but we'll get international law involved 00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:20.160 in this. 00:55:20.260 --> 00:55:27.560 And, and, you know, let's own digital churches nationwide, internationally, continent-wide, 00:55:27.700 --> 00:55:28.100 planetary. 00:55:28.720 --> 00:55:34.660 Listen, if we can figure out how to copyright digital church in, I don't know, Mars, let's 00:55:34.660 --> 00:55:35.580 go ahead and do that. 00:55:35.580 --> 00:55:39.120 And let's get Elon on the phone and see if we can get him to pay for it all. 00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:44.000 If anybody does have contacts to Elon, that would be great. 00:55:44.060 --> 00:55:46.600 You can email me at jeff at thechurch.digital. 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:47.120 Feel free. 00:55:47.780 --> 00:55:50.060 Put urgent in the subject line so that I know. 00:55:52.180 --> 00:55:58.640 No, seriously, like with the Germany thing, I could have, I could have very easily said, 00:55:58.780 --> 00:56:01.260 hey, let's, let's figure out how to own it. 00:56:03.740 --> 00:56:08.640 I don't have a clue on how to effectively do digital church in Germany. 00:56:09.500 --> 00:56:10.720 I mean, I can give ideas. 00:56:12.120 --> 00:56:17.820 But can you actually tell me whether there's a nuanced difference between sharing Jesus to 00:56:17.820 --> 00:56:19.320 a German versus an American? 00:56:21.520 --> 00:56:27.020 There's been opportunities in the Middle East, North Africa, Muslim areas. 00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:37.040 I'll tell you what, there's a huge difference culturally sharing Jesus to a Muslim versus 00:56:37.040 --> 00:56:40.060 sharing Jesus to a, to a non-Muslim. 00:56:42.220 --> 00:56:45.100 A Muslim, when you share Jesus, you've got to go through the Old Testament. 00:56:46.180 --> 00:56:51.240 Like there are Muslims who will accept Christ with, before actually getting to the New Testament 00:56:51.240 --> 00:56:55.000 because they see the prophecy of Christ in the Old Testament. 00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:59.040 They see the echo of what's to come. 00:56:59.160 --> 00:57:04.440 And just with that, that preview, that is enough for them to accept. 00:57:05.860 --> 00:57:09.500 And so it's, but it's understanding you've got to work through their terms 00:57:09.500 --> 00:57:12.240 because that's what their culture is. 00:57:12.300 --> 00:57:13.220 That's who they are. 00:57:13.640 --> 00:57:15.060 You've got to respect that. 00:57:17.080 --> 00:57:21.140 It's the same deal with that lady who was, what gave me the opportunity. 00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:27.420 We talked about this recently on the stream, but to, to, to do the virtual reality church 00:57:27.420 --> 00:57:28.960 in, where was that? 00:57:29.140 --> 00:57:29.820 South Africa. 00:57:31.680 --> 00:57:36.060 I have no clue how, how to reach people in South Africa. 00:57:36.180 --> 00:57:40.980 It's like, are we talking, I just culturally, it's, it's, it's very much a mix. 00:57:41.520 --> 00:57:44.340 You don't need somebody on the other side of the planet. 00:57:45.260 --> 00:57:50.360 You need somebody like on the ground that can understand how, what you're doing is impacting 00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.580 people in a real physical way. 00:57:53.740 --> 00:57:56.900 The gospel that we're hearing online has to affect our offline. 00:57:57.520 --> 00:58:00.660 It has to affect our, our digital has to affect our physical. 00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:01.940 And how are we doing that? 00:58:10.460 --> 00:58:18.520 As we're leaning into this holy week and coming out of this holy week, I really want us to 00:58:18.520 --> 00:58:19.320 wrestle with this. 00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:27.500 How are we multiplying ourselves to allow God to use us in context beyond our own? 00:58:30.200 --> 00:58:37.740 Who are we mentoring that can go and do ministry beyond what our capacities are? 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.060 I am, I am, I have a lid. 00:58:46.140 --> 00:58:47.100 I have a limit. 00:58:49.620 --> 00:58:50.260 It's funny. 00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:53.220 If you would have asked me, if you would have had this conversation with me a year ago, 00:58:53.580 --> 00:58:57.760 I had just published my second book in six months, a year ago. 00:58:58.680 --> 00:59:01.840 I was on top of the freaking world. 00:59:02.620 --> 00:59:04.600 There is nothing I couldn't do. 00:59:07.240 --> 00:59:10.360 I was, I was, I was, that was, it was at the prime. 00:59:13.640 --> 00:59:14.760 Diabetes struck hard. 00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:16.580 Neuropathy struck hard. 00:59:18.080 --> 00:59:19.600 Health took a turn south. 00:59:21.560 --> 00:59:22.640 I have limits. 00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:25.680 I'm, I'm, I'm a lid to what God can do. 00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:30.100 And the more that I can help others, 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:33.700 the more that God can accomplish through me. 00:59:36.560 --> 00:59:38.900 For many of you out there listening to this, 00:59:39.080 --> 00:59:40.600 you are the. 00:59:44.100 --> 00:59:45.360 Well, you're going to get shot. 00:59:47.600 --> 00:59:48.740 Pioneers get shot, right? 00:59:51.860 --> 00:59:54.020 And what happens when you get shot, you get buried. 00:59:55.040 --> 00:59:56.440 Your funeral is going to be nice. 00:59:57.280 --> 00:59:58.080 I'll attend. 00:59:58.260 --> 00:59:59.260 I'll try to attend physically. 01:00:00.740 --> 01:00:02.680 But eventually become word from worm food. 01:00:04.380 --> 01:00:04.780 Fertilizer. 01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:10.760 For many of you, you're the fertilizer that's going to allow the growth of the church. 01:00:13.980 --> 01:00:16.280 You can look at what your church is doing. 01:00:18.600 --> 01:00:24.120 Or I would challenge you to look around and see how you're helping others grow in this season as well. 01:00:25.740 --> 01:00:27.520 Take the approach of what Stu's doing. 01:00:27.860 --> 01:00:28.220 Vector. 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:29.720 Lakeland. 01:00:30.200 --> 01:00:31.960 And wanting to plant churches. 01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:33.340 What Mark's doing. 01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:33.800 Lux. 01:00:34.120 --> 01:00:34.480 And. 01:00:35.500 --> 01:00:36.380 Oh my gosh, Jeff. 01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:37.260 I don't have time. 01:00:37.340 --> 01:00:38.140 I don't have money. 01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:38.720 I don't. 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:39.120 I don't. 01:00:39.180 --> 01:00:39.580 I don't. 01:00:39.580 --> 01:00:40.260 Neither do I. 01:00:41.860 --> 01:00:42.880 I feel your pain. 01:00:44.740 --> 01:00:51.280 By the way, I'm doing all of this and I probably only have 15 to 20 hours worth of effective work product. 01:00:51.520 --> 01:00:53.040 I can do a week without crashing. 01:00:53.780 --> 01:00:54.300 Honest to God. 01:00:54.340 --> 01:00:55.580 I take three to four naps a day. 01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:58.300 I woke up today at 11 a.m. 01:00:58.820 --> 01:01:00.980 I got up because I thought I had a meeting at 830. 01:01:01.060 --> 01:01:01.660 It got canceled. 01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:02.460 Ended up throwing. 01:01:02.600 --> 01:01:03.520 I literally was driving. 01:01:04.180 --> 01:01:09.780 Almost threw up in my Jeep, opened the Jeep door, stopped the car long enough for me to puke. 01:01:09.860 --> 01:01:10.840 I didn't even get out of the car. 01:01:10.940 --> 01:01:12.680 I just puked outside of the Jeep. 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:15.300 Four or five times. 01:01:16.040 --> 01:01:17.600 That's more information than I wanted to share. 01:01:17.720 --> 01:01:18.220 I apologize. 01:01:22.900 --> 01:01:23.700 I don't. 01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:25.400 There's lots of excuses. 01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:27.820 There's lots of things that you can say. 01:01:29.020 --> 01:01:30.280 And you're not wrong. 01:01:33.520 --> 01:01:37.000 But with God, maybe you can. 01:01:40.140 --> 01:01:41.600 With God, maybe you should try. 01:01:46.340 --> 01:01:50.440 Anytime I found a planter, this was always the test. 01:01:50.520 --> 01:01:51.460 Is Chris still on here? 01:01:51.560 --> 01:01:53.140 Chris will remember because I remember. 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:53.760 Yes, Chris. 01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:57.520 I remember saying this to you, Chris, years ago. 01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:03.680 Who have you convinced to do this with you? 01:02:05.140 --> 01:02:06.860 Who's going on this journey with you? 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:13.580 Have you found somebody crazy enough to go and do this with you? 01:02:16.580 --> 01:02:24.580 Because if you are not capable of convincing a friend that what you are doing is good, 01:02:25.200 --> 01:02:31.980 I don't know that you're going to be able to help somebody that's not a friend understand it. 01:02:34.160 --> 01:02:36.260 And for many of you, I think that might be the challenge. 01:02:39.500 --> 01:02:41.500 Start telling your friends what you're doing. 01:02:43.080 --> 01:02:44.380 Inviting them to be a part of it. 01:02:46.020 --> 01:02:50.660 Mentoring and discipling them to carry some of the weight, if not even do their own thing. 01:02:53.240 --> 01:03:01.280 Start multiplying into people that you know as a test for when you actually have to multiply into people that you don't. 01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:05.320 Oh, yeah. 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.280 And in Stacy's point, give me your money. 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:07.880 Very good. 01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:10.640 Make sure to set up that nonprofit. 01:03:11.040 --> 01:03:11.460 No, I'm kidding. 01:03:11.820 --> 01:03:12.480 Actually, I'm not kidding. 01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:18.160 I'm trying to get to Church Digital to be able to give our nonprofit to other organizations. 01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:20.620 I'm navigating that right now through Star Church. 01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:27.260 Trying to help people get started because I know it's hard. 01:03:33.460 --> 01:03:35.160 I don't know why I create scripts. 01:03:35.600 --> 01:03:39.300 I have a full script down here of stuff that I wanted to talk about today. 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:40.460 And I got halfway through it. 01:03:41.620 --> 01:03:43.040 We ended up talking about multiplication. 01:03:43.300 --> 01:03:44.340 I don't want to focus on connection. 01:03:46.540 --> 01:03:48.060 This is what I needed to do today. 01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:52.600 Hey, churches that are listening to this on Monday. 01:03:55.820 --> 01:04:02.460 You just spent Holy Week getting ready, trying to help people get connected to your church. 01:04:03.720 --> 01:04:06.400 Physical churches, you just spent a lot of time. 01:04:07.120 --> 01:04:08.160 And rightfully so. 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:12.420 Probably Holy Week is one of the top weeks of the year. 01:04:13.100 --> 01:04:14.680 That people will connect to your church. 01:04:14.680 --> 01:04:19.360 And so lots of churches try to get a new wave of people. 01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:20.940 And you come back the next week. 01:04:21.060 --> 01:04:22.660 And so connection is very important. 01:04:23.500 --> 01:04:25.940 I am not downplaying the importance of connection. 01:04:26.060 --> 01:04:29.460 It's literally the top thing in our loop. 01:04:32.340 --> 01:04:47.420 What I would suggest, though, is that you spend some time focusing on multiplication, on what discipleship and multiplication looks like for your church, for your ministries, for your organizations, digital churches, that you spend some time focusing on that as well. 01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:55.300 As important as connection is, I might suggest, for a kingdom win, multiplication, maybe more. 01:04:57.060 --> 01:05:01.100 So, all right, hey, I am going to wrap for today. 01:05:01.240 --> 01:05:03.520 This has been a lot of fun. 01:05:03.640 --> 01:05:08.140 I was not anticipating, once again, going this long, but it's been great. 01:05:11.900 --> 01:05:13.520 Conversation is not a monologue. 01:05:13.820 --> 01:05:15.900 That's why our church services are interactive. 01:05:16.160 --> 01:05:18.780 I love what Imagine Church is doing, Stacey. 01:05:19.140 --> 01:05:20.420 And that's so true right there. 01:05:20.580 --> 01:05:21.000 That's good. 01:05:21.080 --> 01:05:22.060 Thanks for keeping it real. 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:23.280 Always. 01:05:24.900 --> 01:05:28.940 Listen, there's plenty of disgusting stuff I'll talk about here, especially on the streams. 01:05:29.020 --> 01:05:31.420 Podcast is weird because I'm talking to somebody else. 01:05:31.540 --> 01:05:34.640 Podcast streams and get a little more, get a little more real. 01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:36.320 Awesome. 01:05:37.200 --> 01:05:40.340 But, hey, we're going to land the plane here on this one. 01:05:41.300 --> 01:05:44.900 I have, in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, well, what's coming up next on the podcast? 01:05:44.900 --> 01:05:48.020 And right now, I'm going to be honest, I'm not sure. 01:05:48.600 --> 01:05:50.280 I don't remember what's coming up. 01:05:50.560 --> 01:05:57.980 So, hey, next week on the podcast, there will be me and somebody talking about something, and it's going to be awesome. 01:05:57.980 --> 01:06:00.320 And then after that, we'll do a stream on this. 01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:04.420 But, hey, check out some of the other podcasts that's going on as well. 01:06:04.560 --> 01:06:09.340 You know, there's, oh, my gosh, there's going to be, oh, I should have talked about that today. 01:06:10.160 --> 01:06:11.440 Oh, there's, oh, you know what? 01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:12.440 We'll do that on the next stream. 01:06:12.520 --> 01:06:13.740 I'll have more details on the next stream. 01:06:14.120 --> 01:06:18.500 But there's going to be some really exciting, some really exciting Metaverse stuff. 01:06:19.460 --> 01:06:20.940 Stu, Stu's excited. 01:06:21.120 --> 01:06:23.900 I might have Stu jump on the stream with me coming up. 01:06:24.120 --> 01:06:25.700 Stu's, Stu's excited. 01:06:25.700 --> 01:06:27.580 There's going to be Metaverse Church Podcast. 01:06:28.140 --> 01:06:29.160 We got some changes. 01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:34.040 We got some big news, and we got some big things coming up here very soon. 01:06:34.160 --> 01:06:37.340 The Metaverse, my friends, is not dead. 01:06:38.160 --> 01:06:40.560 It is merely in waiting. 01:06:40.860 --> 01:06:44.200 So, hey, we're going to land at this point for Jeff. 01:06:44.340 --> 01:06:45.820 This is Jeff with The Church Digital. 01:06:47.060 --> 01:06:47.880 That was weird. 01:06:48.180 --> 01:06:50.240 Thanks for jumping on the podcast stream here. 01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:50.860 Love you all. 01:06:50.860 --> 01:06:52.840 Happy Holy Week. 01:06:52.980 --> 01:06:57.260 Happy whatever it is that you're doing, and looking forward to what's next. 01:06:57.660 --> 01:06:58.200 Y'all have a good day. 01:06:58.200 --> 01:07:12.280 We'll be right back. 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:12.360 We'll be right back.