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 But all you really need is some sort of pastor or communications director to set up a Discord server, set up a Slack channel, set up a, you know, whatever, and simply just check in with people.

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 Once in the morning, once at night. Once in the morning, once at night.

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 You're going to be shocked at how quickly people get used to that rhythm.

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 Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast.

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 Through this podcast, we'll talk about the technological innovations within the church.

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 But more than tech for tech itself, we'll address deeper questions.

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 Is disciple-making possible digitally? How should we approach the digital mission field?

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 Can a biblically grounded church operate in digital space?

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 Oh, and where does the metaverse and artificial intelligence fit into all of this?

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 Whether you're a big or small church, the Church Digital's goal is to help churches like yours learn to be a multiplying church, digitally and physically.

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 And now here's your host, Jeff Reed.

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 All right. Hey, welcome to the Church Digital Podcast.

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 Yes, we got episode 293. By the way, we are doing this recording live.

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 So we are hanging out currently live in Discord doing this broadcast.

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 And through the beauty of Riverside.

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 By the way, TCD Podcast is once again brought to you by Riverside.

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 The Riverside software is currently broadcasting this at the same time from, not from Discord, but at the same time we're in Discord.

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 It's broadcasting it into our Facebook group as well as YouTube.

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 It does have streaming.

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 So it's really built in.

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 We're doing Riverside and Discord at the same time.

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 And we've been doing it that way for, I feel like a month or so.

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 Have not had one issue whatsoever.

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 Incredible.

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 Knock on wood.

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 Knock on wood.

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 So you're saying I jinxed it?

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 Are you saying I literally jinxed it like right here, right now?

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 You did it.

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 We're all, we're going downhill right now.

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 That was me mouthing.

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 If you're on YouTube, you got that.

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 But I realized this is an audio podcast too.

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 And somebody's like, what's going on?

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 Yes.

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 No, listen, it's, Riverside has been awesome.

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 And actually I was talking with Andy off air right before we got on here.

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 Every time I log on Riverside, it's like I find some new button.

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 I get an email about some new feature.

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 Like for the first time, I'm utilizing their script slash teleprompter software feature that's built into the software.

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 And like, I'm really impressed with that.

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 Normally I would like to have to put my notes here on, on a side thing, but instead now I can use the teleprompter and just, you know, look at Andy's face.

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 And at the same time, the notes are just right above.

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 And so like Riverside, check it out.

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 Whatever your context is.

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 I just found out Tom, Tom Pounder with the TCD sidekick is moving his show over to Riverside and his church is moving over to it.

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 Had a conversation, another church, what other church?

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 Oh, was it DK Hammonds?

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 No.

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 Somebody just told me there were, but some other, some other podcaster, somebody part of TCD was moving their church over to it.

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 It wasn't Tom, it was somebody else.

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 Oh, oh, I know.

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 No, no, no.

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 It was Fred.

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 Fred, the guy that was part of, um, the, the, uh, gosh, the, the webinar we do with Rezzy.

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 He's moving his church over to it.

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 His pastor is doing like a weekly podcast out of his house.

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 And so they got to simplify and Riverside is just such a simple platform to do.

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 So check it out.

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 The church.digital slash Riverside.

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 The church.digital slash Riverside.

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 Okay.

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 So I guess that's it for the opening.

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 We got, uh, Andy Mage, of course, uh, Chino Mage been chiming in already here, uh, with the TCD.

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 Uh, so Chino's, uh, operations director.

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 He is, what, what's the title, operations director for the church digital.

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 What's the title with Lux these days?

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 Things fluctuate.

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 Uh, I am, yeah, I'm the creative pastor over there.

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 Creative pastor at Lux church, uh, chief operating officer for, uh, the church digital and, um, dad and husband at home.

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 Dad and husband at home.

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 So that, those, those, uh, were probably in the backwards order of priority.

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 You know, let's, let's put dad and husband.

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 Depends on the day.

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 Maybe, maybe.

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 Got to, got to pay the bill at some point, but, uh, but very good.

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 So it's, it's awesome to have Andy on here.

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 As we are kicking off season seven and the great thing about season seven here with the church digital is every week of season seven, I'm probably going to come up with a new title for even season seven.

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 Cause I'm going to announce season seven title right now.

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 And I'm going to tell you right now, I don't like the title that I have.

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 So we're going to come up with new title probably for next week.

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 And I'm probably going to like that when it changed it.

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 Cause you know, here with the church digital, we just, you know, what would fly at fly, you know, build a place, I guess.

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 Yeah.

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 Set a ride, run and gun.

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 Yeah.

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 Who cares?

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 Uh, but here it was digital opportunities here, uh, with season seven.

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 You know, we're going to be talking about five different opportunities, uh, within context for your church, five different ideas that digital can help be implemented in your church.

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 And guess what?

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 We're going to give you some practical ways that your church can actually take some steps forward into that space.

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 I'm going to give you the sneak peek right now.

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 We're going to come back and talk to this later.

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 Uh, but the church digital, we are launching into some learning communities this summer.

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 Uh, you're talking about building the plane as it's flying.

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 We get Barbara Carnero in, in position as connections and communication.

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 We launched the new website.

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 We're already changing a whole bunch of stuff on it.

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 But, uh, the fact is, is that we want to help churches like yours take some practical steps here in 2024, even getting into the summer.

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 And so we're going to be launching five different learning communities, uh, in, uh, through the church digital to offer for churches to come alongside, get connected with other churches that are asking similar questions and take some practical steps into implementing the new strategy in your church.

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 We're, we're, we're talking, well, we're talking about Andy Mage in here doing a synchronous community.

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 We're talking church communications.

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 We're talking virtual reality.

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 We're talking mental health and digital ministry.

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 We're even going to get into some like micro sites and hybrid, what that could look like at, at a hybrid church.

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 And so lots of opportunities for your church to implement, to learn something here.

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 And it's a definite opportunity in digital for your church today.

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 And so over the next five weeks here with season seven, we're going to dig in into all five of those topics.

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 Uh, async today, uh, Barbara Carnero coming up next week with, um, church communication, uh, uh, tsunami coming up in two weeks, uh, with virtual reality.

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 The week after that, we're going to be, uh, it's going to be Megan Carter on mental health and digital ministry.

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 And to wrap it up, it'll be me and a guest to be determined.

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 I don't know who yet, but talking about the idea of micro sites in a hybrid church.

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 And so look for those conversations, by the way, all of this, everything we got coming up is now on the TCD discord event channel.

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 And so check that out.

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 Uh, there's all sorts of stuff that at least what I've got coming on.

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 Uh, we got to get, uh, some of our other guys, Andy, when he's on, um, uh, flat cap.

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 JMO actually did an open office.

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 I hung out with JMO doing an open office on Friday.

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 That was like a really cool thing.

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 So, man, I, that was a lot of announcements at the beginning of this thing.

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 I'm like, it's like, you're like doing, I'm already doing a plane.

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 Yeah.

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 You're doing a church service right now.

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 You need to take a nap.

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 Yeah.

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 Yeah.

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 I mean, is there anything else that we actually have to say today is in, in, in this, uh, in

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 this live podcast recording?

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 No, all good.

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 Just looking at the chat and people are talking about drugs and koalas doing stretching stuff.

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 So I think we're, I think we're right on par.

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 I actually have no idea how to respond to that at this moment.

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 Good.

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 Yeah.

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 That's how I close everything.

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 Cool.

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 All right.

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 So, Hey, let's actually get into the podcast.

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 Um, that was a mouthful.

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 Thank you for that nap time.

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 Uh, J O P.

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 So good, man.

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 Um, Andy, what do you do?

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 So you result like, let's, let's actually, I actually want to get into the life of Andy

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 Mage.

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 So Andy was a, Andy had like five jobs, but he was a full-time pastor at, at the, at

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 the brick and mortar.

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 Um, and so was, was a digital pastor there and stepped down January of this year, right?

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 Was it early, early, early 24.

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 So, and that, so now you, you're doing the luck saying creative pastor, you're doing the

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 operations for TCD.

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 Uh, like what do you do when you get up in the morning?

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 What does your day actually look like?

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 Uh, I get up very early, uh, usually five ish, um, Bible journal, coffee that for 45 minutes,

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 hour reflection, prayer time, all that.

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 And I work out cause I'm a fitness buff enthusiast guy.

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 Uh, and then it's immediately into whatever the day holds, whatever my to do is app tells

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 me that I need to be doing.

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 Uh, usually with creative pastor of Lux, I'm doing a lot of, uh, preaching and, uh, a lot

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 of graphic work, a lot of, um, video work, a lot of content around that.

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 Uh, I'm also, um, putting together a worship team.

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 Well, have already been putting together a worship team, a, you know, we're talking about asynchronous.

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 So this is an asynchronous worship team, uh, literally around the world.

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 We've got people in Guam and Dallas and San Diego and Pittsburgh and Michigan and Tampa and

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 putting all those together and post producing a bunch of stuff for worship.

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 And that's for Lux and then hand, you know, hanging out the community there, playing games

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 with them and being in community and doing all that.

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 Lux digital church.com head over there.

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 Uh, discord.gg slash Alexa digital church as well.

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 But, and on the kind of other hours of the day, I'm also the operations guy for the church

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 digital formerly, the digital church network.

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 And, uh, I am monitoring and handling our discord server.

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 I am editing podcasts.

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 I am on podcasts.

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 Uh, I am recording lots of video with lots of people.

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 I'm constantly having a camera stare at me, uh, looking at a teleprompter all day.

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 Um, it is, it's a very fun and interesting world and every day is a, is a little bit different.

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 Um, with, with church digital, I've been kind of helping to spearhead the new phase that

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 we've been in.

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 Um, you may have noticed a lot of changes that have come about in the last three or four months,

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 um, with website and look and feel and logo and all those things.

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 And that's been with the help of Barbara Carnero and word revolution, but also, uh, that's landing

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 on my plate and, uh, it's, it's been a lot of fun.

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 And every day is, I keep, I keep saying this every day is a lot different at coming from

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 a brick and mortar where I was a worship pastor for 10 years.

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 And then I was a digital pastor for five years, uh, where every day, everybody said every day

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 was different, but it wasn't every day.

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 You kind of got into routine.

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 This is, this is completely wild and I love it.

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 It, I would not have it any other way.

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 Yeah.

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 Uh, it is working for yourself kind of like, you know, out of your home is completely different

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 than, you know, showing up to the office at nine o'clock and clock in that, that nine to

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 five or that eight 30 to four 30.

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 Uh, like that, that to me is, is, is the, is the surreal, uh, approach to that.

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 And so, Hey, and, and by the way, uh, uh, DCN, uh, rest, rest in peace, RIP.

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 Um, yeah, so it's, it was funny.

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 Like I, I, I have some stickers actually here in my office.

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 I found them on Friday when I was cleaning it up and I was like, Oh yeah, sorry.

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 Digital church network.

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 Miss you.

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 Like occasionally I'll find, I'll find like a graphic somewhere on like our Facebook group

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 still has the DCN graphic actually has an old TCD graphic on it too.

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 And I was like, Oh yeah, I gotta, gotta get that updated.

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 So yeah, pour one out for the homies.

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 Yeah.

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 Yeah.

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 My, my LinkedIn was like, it's, I stopped working for, for digital church network in December

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 31st, 2023.

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 I was like, no digital church network lives on.

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 It's not actually dead.

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 It's not like I quit that job.

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 It just lives on in the church.

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 It's absorbed.

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 We absorbed.

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 It's such, that's such a,

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 a great word.

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 Well, I am need to create a morph video.

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 JOP is fire today in the chat.

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 That, that is so good.

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 Um, all right.

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 Hey, so, so let's get into this, Andy.

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 We want to talk about async.

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 Now I, of all of the topics of 2024, I think I am more excited about the potential for churches

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 to utilize asynchronous community.

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 That's probably the thing that I'm most excited about today than anything.

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 Like, like I have been waiting for this conversation.

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 I'm looking forward to this.

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 I cannot wait for this learning community.

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 There's so much potential for the church in this space.

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 And it is foreign to me.

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 Like I, it is beyond my mind.

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 I don't understand why no churches are very few churches, like half a dozen churches are

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 utilizing this space.

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 Well, I cannot believe it.

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 And so like, I want to actually, I want to go through, um, like we're going to, we're

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 going to go, we're going to go one Oh one.

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 We're going to go elementary.

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 We're going to go preschool here at the beginning because we got to get churches on this idea

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 of async and how, whether you're physical, whether you're digital, whether you're fidgetal,

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 wherever you are in the process, like async can help you.

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 And so let's, let's walk through this kind of at a very elementary level.

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 Let's walk before we run.

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 And hopefully we're sprinting here by the end of this thing.

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 So basic question, just to kick off the right here, Andy, what exactly do I mean when I say

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 asynchronous community or async?

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 The original asynchronous community was, if you look in the, in the Bible, you look at

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 the letters that Paul was writing back and forth.

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 That was asynchronous community.

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 Paul was literally doing asynchronous community 2000 years ago.

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 Uh, and that's that, that right there is kind of striking when you think about, oh, this

00:14:03.560 --> 00:14:08.620
 dude, you know, we, we often hear, and I might get a little, not slanderous.

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 I might get a little irreverent when it comes to some of the brick and mortar type pastors

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 who don't believe in the power of digital.

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 And that's just me.

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 Sorry.

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 But they often say like, well, you can't actually form asynchronous community.

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 What is that?

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 That's just email.

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 And there is no life there.

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 And I, I would push back and say, well, Paul was doing that 2000 years ago.

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 And he, he seemed to have a pretty good grasp on what was going pretty much, you know, what

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 was happening with the spread of Christianity in Europe and Asia at the time.

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 Asynchronous community is literally people that are not synchronous with each other, not on a

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 zoom call, not on a discord call, not face to face, not talking on the phone.

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 It is text messages.

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 It is discord messages.

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 It is Facebook.

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 It is Instagram.

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 It is all of the social media things.

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 It is any, anywhere that you are landing with a community of people that are your tribe, that

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 are your people that you can identify with those that you can automatically scrape away that

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 layer of dirt that happens when you meet somebody new.

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 That is asynchronous community.

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 That is one-on-one.

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 I feel like we're doing, um, the thing on Reddit right now is ELI five, explain it like

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 I'm five.

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 That is exactly how I explain asynchronous community.

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 It is, it is anything that is not immediately synchronously connected.

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 That's interesting.

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 You, you parallel this to like Paul's letters and, and going back to there.

00:15:32.220 --> 00:15:35.920
 Um, you know, uh, we, we actually were talking about this in a, in a discord stream, uh, maybe

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 last week, you know, and about how the letters was, was a district distributed, um, gospel.

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 And it's like, we're using the internet to the same way to distribute the gospel app and, and

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 how like Paul wasn't able to go.

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 And he would send Timothy like with the letter and would say things in the letter, like, Hey,

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 I'm sorry, I want to be with you.

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 I can't.

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 Cause, um, I think my joke was I'm either in prison, I'm sick, or I'm sick of being in

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 prison was typical Paul's response.

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 But as a result of that, Hey, I'm sending Timothy, show him a little respect.

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 And then he would tell Timothy, Hey, Timothy, don't let him look down at you.

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 Cause you're young, you know, just, you know, just stand your guard, stand your ground.

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 And so, uh, but that was, that was that distributed model where the gospel is being sent out.

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 And you're right.

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 A synchronous community with the distribution of Timothy along the way allowed for that two

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 way conversation.

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 Hey, this guy, Paul's talking about this crazy stuff.

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 We, the church at whatever, uh, Corinth, we don't agree with that.

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 And Timothy would say, well, blah, blah, blah.

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 And they would say, blah, blah, blah.

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 And there would be a dialogue.

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 There would be a conversation about that in real time.

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 And this is what we get the opportunity to do, to have these conversations in, in, in real

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 time.

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 Now, what, what's interesting here is what's the difference in, in, it's interesting.

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 Andy, I don't know how you're going to respond to this.

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 What's the difference between a synchronous community and like social media?

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 Cause, cause you can have that dialogue in social media, but what makes a synchronous

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 community special compared to the quote unquote community that we can get in social media?

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 I think community is that thing it's thrown around a lot as like a buzzword kind of like

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 that back, you know, right around COVID it was engagement.

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 Oh, we got to get our engagement up.

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 We got to get our, uh, we got to make sure our engagement metrics are there.

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 And like, what does that actually mean?

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 And then you'd have to, you know, 15 different people would give 15 different answers.

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 And, and that's kind of what it is today.

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 Like a lot of the, I do a lot of consulting on the side.

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 I help churches kind of get their, not social media presences, but get their digital church

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 presences up and running.

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 Um, I help low, small businesses also do it.

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 Actually, I have a, one of my clients actually just signed up for a Riverside year long subscription

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 with the church digital, uh, link.

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 So thank you, Laurel Slade, uh, for, yeah, thank you for the little kickback there, Laurel.

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 Um, but the, you know, the thing that, uh, that often comes up in those meetings is, well,

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 how do I get my community out of my, well, X followers or my Instagram followers?

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 And it's like, listen, that's not community that is call and response.

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 That is conversation.

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 Community is the deeper level of conversation.

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 Community is that thing that you can, again, scrape away the dirt and know that that's your

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 people.

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 I don't know most of the people on Instagram, anybody that comments on anything that we're

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 doing on TikTok or Instagram, I don't know them.

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 I might maybe possibly know their screen name ish because I saw it four or five times, but

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 they're not providing me any social connection.

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 They're not providing me a support network.

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 They're not providing me spiritual growth or guidance.

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 They're not encouraging me to find healthier lifestyle and make better choices.

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 They're not offering support during transitions.

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 They're not, you know, facilitating involvement and service and doing all the things that we

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 do as community, right?

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 That that's, that's just, that's call and response.

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 That is, that is a, a literal conversation, sometimes just 15 words and then an emoji.

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 Community is that deeper felt need.

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 It's that thing that we, we try to derive from and all of our church engagements.

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 It's the, it's the thing that, that we're all searching for.

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 It's the, it's the quote unquote God-shaped hole.

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 Like, yes, we need community with God, but we also need community with other people around

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 us.

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 And, and the, the, the difference is that the asynchronous community that we try to form

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 takes it that deeper level.

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 That's why if you go into our discord, we have, you know, we've got general chat and

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 we've got Q and a, and we've got all these other things, but we also have channels for

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 tech and art and music and movie and TVs and memes and food and gaming and metaverse and

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 all these other things.

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 And then prayer requests and devotionals and discipleship.

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 The reason that we have those things and are fleshing out those channels is because that's

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 what community does.

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 We take it into those deeper levels.

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 We take it into your people, your tribe, your, your, your, your, uh, your group that you

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 can automatically know that those people are for you.

00:19:58.000 --> 00:19:58.440
 Yeah.

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 So good.

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 It's interesting.

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 Just this morning, I found a, um, an article we'll put it in the show notes.

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 Uh, but there were actually, uh, JMO, Jason Morris put it on LinkedIn.

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 It was a Seth Godin blog.

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 Now, now I'm a, honestly, I'm a huge Seth Godin fan.

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 Um, Seth Godin's not Christian.

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 And I, I probably quote Seth Godin regularly.

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 If you've heard me speak publicly, I tell several different stories regularly about Seth

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 and some of his strategy.

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 Um, but the, uh, the, the, the, I, the idea of this blog with Seth was that not to be focused

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 on the, the top of funnel, uh, but instead to be thinking more about the bottom of the

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 funnel.

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 Like it's, it's not just in, in, in, you know, in, in a lot of what we do is, Hey, let's

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 just get more followers.

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 Let's just get more viewers.

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 Let's just get more and more.

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 And it's all about getting people on the top.

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 And instead Seth's like, Hey, focus on, on the bottom piece.

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 And it's interesting, even paralleling that J, uh, JOP is quoted here in, in the discord

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 is saying community equals, or for community, it's more about quality than quantity and utilizing

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 the community to, to build.

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 I would read into that a deeper relationship.

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 It's, it's more, more about what you know about someone rather than, Oh my gosh, I have,

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 you know, umpteen million followers.

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 And said, it's a, it's about, man, I know these people really well.

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 And, and, and the, you know, I speak into their lives.

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 They speak into mine and there's trust.

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 Like it's very hard to get trust of millions of people, especially if, if you're trying

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 to get them into like, I don't know, a disciple making relationship.

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 But if you take time with individuals in the community or something like this, yes, it can

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 look like that.

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 So very, very interesting here as, as we're getting into this idea of, of community.

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 Um, now it's, I mean, you're talking here, Andy, let me, let me, um, let me play devil's

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 advocate.

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 Okay.

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 So, you know, you're, you're, you, you, you said things like movie channel and TV channel

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 meme channel.

00:22:02.560 --> 00:22:03.000
 Yeah.

00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:03.280
 Okay.

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 You, maybe you validated some things by saying prayer requests and, and, and stuff like that

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 and devotionals.

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 But, but man, this isn't, this still isn't real community.

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 Like, like this is, this is a, I mean, we are on discord.

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 That's like for video gamers.

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 That's, that's like what they use to play video games.

00:22:21.080 --> 00:22:23.860
 How you can't, you can't have real relationships in that space.

00:22:24.840 --> 00:22:24.980
 Hmm.

00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:31.120
 I would, I, I would push back very, very hard on that notion.

00:22:31.300 --> 00:22:36.520
 Um, the, obviously you are playing devil's advocate and obviously we wouldn't be here

00:22:36.520 --> 00:22:39.380
 if we, yeah, I did this claim it up front.

00:22:39.500 --> 00:22:40.280
 It's the devil's advocate.

00:22:40.380 --> 00:22:40.540
 Yeah.

00:22:40.600 --> 00:22:40.820
 Okay.

00:22:41.040 --> 00:22:45.800
 If we, if we weren't fully bought in and, and, uh, white, white beard in the, in the,

00:22:45.800 --> 00:22:48.200
 in our discord chat says the difference between community and community toss.

00:22:48.280 --> 00:22:48.440
 Yes.

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 Community toss is the kind of the acute point of community.

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 It is like, that's the, that in my opinion, talking about the Seth Godin idea, that is

00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:59.240
 the bottom of the community funnel itself.

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 You want to get to community toss after community, but we're neither here nor there right now.

00:23:04.580 --> 00:23:07.720
 The, the, the, the idea of being real in community.

00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:16.220
 So I, uh, I'm a nerd and I am a, uh, I'm a gamer and I was a, um, this is about back in

00:23:16.220 --> 00:23:18.700
 two, between 2000 and 2006, 2007.

00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:22.620
 I was playing, uh, ranked Halo.

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 Halo is a video game.

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 Uh, one of my favorite games of all time.

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 I was ranked on the MLG circuit.

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 We were MLG's major league gamer.

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 We were playing a lot, a lot, a lot of Halo.

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 We were doing competitive tournaments and we were doing the whole thing.

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 We didn't have discord at the time.

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 We had a thing called team speak.

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 And then, um, after a little bit, Microsoft's own Xbox live chat got good enough to where

00:23:44.740 --> 00:23:45.740
 you could actually be in there.

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 And so I was doing a lot of Halo two and a lot of Halo three.

00:23:48.780 --> 00:23:55.460
 Well, I got saved in 2005 and didn't really know what to do with that.

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 And so I was still playing Halo, still kind of hanging out with the same sort of degenerate

00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:02.000
 amount of people.

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 And the, the part that, that kind of human Christian Christ seeking part of me was like,

00:24:11.080 --> 00:24:12.640
 Hmm, I want to try to turn this into something.

00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:17.640
 And so I joined up with a couple of guys that were not of my clan.

00:24:17.940 --> 00:24:19.760
 And I had found them on actually chat.

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 We had message boards back at the time.

00:24:21.740 --> 00:24:22.460
 Remember those?

00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:24.460
 And we had Halo message boards.

00:24:24.560 --> 00:24:28.640
 And so I joined up with a couple of guys and we started doing Bible studies in some of

00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:32.560
 our, we'd create custom lobbies every Tuesday night, uh, right around seven 30 Eastern.

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 We would all log on.

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 Um, we would do a Bible study for about half hour, 45 minutes with just two or three of

00:24:38.060 --> 00:24:40.540
 us all, you know, synchronously.

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 Uh, and then we would go and play Halo for, you know, we'd do headshots for the next hour

00:24:46.280 --> 00:24:49.520
 and a half to two hours and kill each other and bring people in and just have a lot of

00:24:49.520 --> 00:24:54.940
 fun that grew from two to three guys into about 15 to 20 guys, uh, over the span of about

00:24:54.940 --> 00:24:55.640
 a year and a half.

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 And I never met these people.

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 And yet I had some of the most deep conversations that I've ever had in my entire life over a

00:25:03.080 --> 00:25:07.520
 headset on my Xbox controller, looking at a halo lobby when nothing else was happening

00:25:07.520 --> 00:25:08.720
 and a Bible in front of me.

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 And to this day, never met.

00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.040
 I have actually, I've met one of the guys in person out of the 15 people that were in

00:25:15.040 --> 00:25:15.280
 the end.

00:25:15.360 --> 00:25:19.680
 I met one of them, 14 of those, well, 13 of those people, uh, never met.

00:25:19.820 --> 00:25:22.520
 And yet I still remain in contact with all of them.

00:25:22.700 --> 00:25:24.380
 I, they are all friends with me on discord.

00:25:24.600 --> 00:25:28.520
 I have all of their, I can, I can hit them up right now in their various stages of life

00:25:28.520 --> 00:25:32.520
 and they will drop everything to talk to me and I will drop everything to talk to them.

00:25:32.600 --> 00:25:34.500
 Now that is not asynchronous.

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 That is very much synchronous community.

00:25:37.180 --> 00:25:42.080
 The asynchronous part comes in when we start messaging back and forth.

00:25:42.340 --> 00:25:47.760
 When I do realize that, Hey John, he's out in San Diego and John has had been having a

00:25:47.760 --> 00:25:48.460
 rough couple of months.

00:25:48.520 --> 00:25:53.800
 His, uh, his wife got pregnant again and it was kind of a little bit of a surprise.

00:25:53.980 --> 00:25:56.240
 He's got a 10 year old, he's got a 12 year old.

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 And now all of a sudden, Ooh boy, he's going back into that.

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 He thought he was out of diaper mode and now he's back in diaper mode.

00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:04.200
 And asynchronously, he is asking me questions.

00:26:04.320 --> 00:26:05.220
 Hey, how did you do this?

00:26:05.300 --> 00:26:06.420
 What do you, what do you do about this?

00:26:06.460 --> 00:26:07.280
 How can I pray for you?

00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:08.620
 We're doing all of those things.

00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.700
 That is a very real, very real thing.

00:26:11.820 --> 00:26:17.600
 Now, granted that is based on years long emphasis of playing video games and a shared experience.

00:26:17.600 --> 00:26:23.280
 But there is a, uh, there's something interesting about setting a table for those type of experiences

00:26:23.280 --> 00:26:26.880
 where you automatically, all of a sudden, I keep, I keep using this term.

00:26:27.100 --> 00:26:29.740
 You brush the dirt away, you brush that dirt away.

00:26:29.740 --> 00:26:32.460
 And all of a sudden you find a common foundation with somebody.

00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:34.980
 And it just takes just a second to brush that dirt away.

00:26:35.340 --> 00:26:36.240
 And there you are.

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 And we are now in a relationship with people.

00:26:39.340 --> 00:26:45.080
 One of the things that also tends to happen when you open up channels like food and gaming

00:26:45.080 --> 00:26:49.160
 and metaverse and memes is that you're setting that table for somebody to brush that dirt away.

00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:53.920
 I can share, you know, I think Leighton Flatcap shared a, shared a, um, a meme about, uh, the

00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:55.900
 Kool-Aid man running through a, running through a brick wall.

00:26:56.260 --> 00:26:56.680
 Love that.

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 But like, if, if I, if I wasn't of a stage of life that I didn't understand that, I'd be

00:27:00.280 --> 00:27:00.820
 like, yeah, okay.

00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:02.000
 I know that's funny.

00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:02.540
 Okay.

00:27:02.540 --> 00:27:04.820
 A brick wall and then something about, but I understand that.

00:27:04.820 --> 00:27:08.700
 And now, even if I didn't know Flatcap, I would be like, Hey, this dude's my age,

00:27:08.760 --> 00:27:09.800
 probably just innately.

00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.200
 Like this, this guy's probably my age.

00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:12.360
 He understands what's going on.

00:27:12.560 --> 00:27:15.940
 That is a synchronous community at work without you even knowing it.

00:27:16.420 --> 00:27:17.200
 That's interesting.

00:27:17.380 --> 00:27:21.080
 So, um, and you know, what's funny is it, I'm going to be honest here.

00:27:21.080 --> 00:27:23.020
 It took me days to figure out that meme.

00:27:23.580 --> 00:27:27.300
 And, um, like, I don't know what, I don't know what that says about me.

00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:30.640
 We'll put the meme, we'll put the meme in the, in the, in the show notes too.

00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:32.620
 Cause it look, I'm looking at that.

00:27:32.620 --> 00:27:36.920
 And, you know, if I looked at it on my, uh, on my desktop and I couldn't zoom in on it

00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:38.000
 and I was like, I don't get it.

00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:38.940
 I really don't get it.

00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:40.540
 I don't call myself out cause I don't get it.

00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.580
 And like literally a couple of days later, I could, I could zoom in on my phone.

00:27:43.620 --> 00:27:45.400
 I was like, oh yeah, that makes sense now.

00:27:45.940 --> 00:27:52.580
 So yeah, uh, but you know, and really community, at least the way that, that we're utilizing

00:27:52.580 --> 00:27:56.680
 and the way we're, I believe the way that I would suggest that churches utilize it is

00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:59.580
 a mix between synchronous and asynchronous.

00:27:59.800 --> 00:28:04.200
 Now let's, let's actually, you know, I want to be once again, let's have an elementary

00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:05.980
 conversation, get them to walk before we can run.

00:28:06.260 --> 00:28:09.080
 Cause a lot of time I talk about async and sync and they're like, well, what's, what's

00:28:09.080 --> 00:28:09.400
 the difference?

00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:09.640
 Okay.

00:28:10.180 --> 00:28:14.000
 Synchronous would be having a conversation with people at the same time.

00:28:14.300 --> 00:28:20.920
 So like synchronous communications would be doing a zoom call, um, getting like a small

00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:27.140
 group in, in a Google meet, you know, even, even at some level, what we're doing currently

00:28:27.140 --> 00:28:31.960
 on discord where, you know, Andy and I are talking and then there's a chat with like eight people

00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:38.080
 running and, and we've got, uh, a rock y'all and flat cap and Ian and JLP and, uh, Melanius

00:28:38.080 --> 00:28:41.000
 and, and white beard and DWR and purposeful Paul.

00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:46.640
 We've got people in there and they're communicating to us and, and flat cap celebrating because we're

00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:48.120
 talking about his Kool-Aid meme.

00:28:48.120 --> 00:28:53.440
 Like literally, yeah, he just posted it in the chat so that everybody can see it.

00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:57.080
 So like that at some level is synchronous.

00:28:57.080 --> 00:29:00.640
 We're all communicating at the same time.

00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:06.280
 Asynchronous though is like, I post at 11 a.m.

00:29:06.380 --> 00:29:09.160
 Andy reads it at 11 45 and responds.

00:29:09.600 --> 00:29:13.580
 Somebody else sees it and replies to both of us at 12 30.

00:29:13.860 --> 00:29:21.280
 And so it's outside of time, async, asynchronous kind of communications in, in asynchronous community

00:29:21.280 --> 00:29:23.020
 and flat cap, that was an incredible meme.

00:29:23.140 --> 00:29:27.660
 I just, I gotta, I gotta celebrate that and, and, and hand that off.

00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:34.700
 Um, so like you're talking about your buddies on, on the, on the, uh, the, the bulletin board

00:29:34.700 --> 00:29:40.660
 way back in the day, you know, that was what we actually used to start e-believer, um, you

00:29:40.660 --> 00:29:42.580
 know, message boards and, and, and all that.

00:29:42.840 --> 00:29:46.740
 Uh, were you around for like the, the dial-up modem, the BBSs?

00:29:46.840 --> 00:29:47.100
 Oh yeah.

00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:47.600
 Was that you?

00:29:47.740 --> 00:29:47.860
 Yeah.

00:29:47.860 --> 00:29:51.960
 My dad, my dad is a, uh, it was, was, and still is.

00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.000
 He, uh, was a computer programmer.

00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:59.460
 He used to actually write video games for a company called Epix software, which wrote games

00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:00.920
 for the Commodore 64, one 28.

00:30:01.300 --> 00:30:05.560
 Uh, he actually, if you Google his name, he's got three or four different games to his name.

00:30:05.860 --> 00:30:08.820
 Uh, some of which I still play off and on through emulators.

00:30:08.820 --> 00:30:10.260
 My mom wrote the music for them.

00:30:10.260 --> 00:30:11.460
 Like they were, Oh wow.

00:30:11.580 --> 00:30:12.460
 They were big games.

00:30:12.520 --> 00:30:12.820
 Oh yeah.

00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:13.060
 Yeah.

00:30:13.060 --> 00:30:13.900
 Big, big games.

00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:14.560
 TRS 80.

00:30:14.660 --> 00:30:15.020
 Absolutely.

00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:16.320
 Um, yeah.

00:30:16.320 --> 00:30:23.020
 And, and they, but, but so we had, this is, this is going way back, but 91, 92, we actually

00:30:23.020 --> 00:30:27.560
 had a T1 line dug, uh, for us cause my dad was working from home.

00:30:27.560 --> 00:30:32.460
 And so we had a, we had a direct connection to the internet and then we moved to Florida

00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:35.400
 in 95 and we had to go back to dial up.

00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:39.760
 And just, I remember just sitting there going like tapping my fingers going, why is this

00:30:39.760 --> 00:30:40.440
 so slow?

00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:47.560
 All I want to do is get my Deftones pictures and my Korn downloads and Korn, not the other,

00:30:47.660 --> 00:30:50.400
 not the P word, Korn, K-O-R-N, the band.

00:30:50.860 --> 00:30:53.640
 Uh, I wanted to get those downloads and like, why is this taking so long?

00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:54.780
 This thing's just yelling at me.

00:30:54.780 --> 00:30:57.180
 So yeah, I, I unfortunately remember that.

00:30:57.420 --> 00:30:57.560
 Yeah.

00:30:57.940 --> 00:30:58.840
 They're in chat right now.

00:30:58.840 --> 00:31:03.080
 There's actually a conversation to see who the oldest guy is in chat right now.

00:31:03.080 --> 00:31:05.640
 Trying to like throw out the old school stuff.

00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:07.860
 And, uh, my money's on white beard, punk monk.

00:31:08.040 --> 00:31:08.440
 Yeah.

00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:10.660
 Uh, we just need to go back to Zork.

00:31:10.800 --> 00:31:15.480
 And so white beard are our resident theologian for the church digital.

00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:21.020
 I feel like basically needs the tattoo of the old guy saying, get off my lawn and get

00:31:21.020 --> 00:31:21.560
 off my Bible.

00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:21.900
 Yeah.

00:31:21.980 --> 00:31:22.160
 Yeah.

00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.560
 And every time I see him, if I, it's a rock y'all.

00:31:24.560 --> 00:31:26.480
 A rock y'all coming in with a chat as well.

00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:27.180
 Not so.

00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:27.860
 Oh my God.

00:31:27.860 --> 00:31:28.200
 Yeah.

00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:28.660
 You know what?

00:31:28.700 --> 00:31:30.360
 That actually, oh, I don't know.

00:31:31.040 --> 00:31:35.900
 Um, a rock y'all white wall, white beard may win because of his beard alone, but the

00:31:35.900 --> 00:31:40.520
 two of you and both of, you know, who not of this world is like, I just want to call

00:31:40.520 --> 00:31:42.300
 out a rock y'all white beard.

00:31:42.300 --> 00:31:46.180
 If you two have not had a conversation with the two of you, that would actually be really

00:31:46.180 --> 00:31:48.820
 interesting, uh, for the two of you to connect up.

00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:49.420
 You're both.

00:31:49.560 --> 00:31:53.460
 Every time I describe white beard, I say he's eclectic and, and a rock y'all you're

00:31:53.460 --> 00:31:54.220
 kind of eclectic too.

00:31:54.340 --> 00:31:54.640
 All right.

00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:55.820
 Hey, let's get back to the conversation.

00:31:56.140 --> 00:32:01.280
 By the way, DWR, DWR actually posted something, uh, in discord as well that I thought was

00:32:01.280 --> 00:32:04.240
 very interesting doing some asynchronous missions training right now with the student getting

00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:05.260
 ready to serve in Asia.

00:32:05.500 --> 00:32:06.460
 That's what we're talking about.

00:32:06.520 --> 00:32:07.160
 That's amazing.

00:32:07.300 --> 00:32:08.760
 I'd love to hear a little bit more about that.

00:32:08.760 --> 00:32:10.700
 Cause that is, that's amazing.

00:32:10.700 --> 00:32:14.340
 Also, I think that's Jack Nicklaus giving me the thumb or giving me the hand that he wants

00:32:14.340 --> 00:32:14.780
 to punch me.

00:32:14.860 --> 00:32:15.700
 It looks like Jack Nicklaus.

00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:16.500
 That's weird.

00:32:16.580 --> 00:32:16.740
 Okay.

00:32:16.800 --> 00:32:22.860
 Hey, so, uh, DWR, if you can share some more, what you can share ethically, uh, you know,

00:32:22.860 --> 00:32:26.200
 feel free to, we'd love to, we'd love to talk through that, but, um, I do.

00:32:27.360 --> 00:32:29.020
 Hey, listen, by the way, you're hearing us.

00:32:29.060 --> 00:32:30.760
 I'll talk a lot about chat here.

00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.800
 Um, come hang out with us on discord, like here with the church, digital's discord.

00:32:35.800 --> 00:32:36.720
 We'll talk more about it.

00:32:36.940 --> 00:32:39.700
 There's lots of, of community.

00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:41.640
 We're talking about a synchronous community.

00:32:41.760 --> 00:32:43.080
 Come see it in real time.

00:32:43.540 --> 00:32:46.660
 Just go to the website, discord.thechurch.digital.

00:32:46.660 --> 00:32:51.320
 That'll walk you through getting your discord account, downloading the software and subscribing

00:32:51.320 --> 00:32:54.440
 you to the church, digital's discord server.

00:32:54.440 --> 00:33:00.540
 And you can see in real time, actually what this stuff looks like and, and how churches

00:33:00.540 --> 00:33:04.480
 like yours can take advantage of it and, you know, jump into conversations in real time

00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:08.580
 like this, by the way, I, we're, we're broadcasting right now on YouTube and Facebook.

00:33:08.580 --> 00:33:13.980
 And so if you are over there on those platforms, Hey, thanks for watching over there.

00:33:13.980 --> 00:33:19.100
 Uh, but, um, y'all need to come over to discord because discord's like where, where we have

00:33:19.100 --> 00:33:19.440
 fun.

00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.500
 Like I, to be honest, I, I just, I can't keep up with that many chats.

00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.080
 And so like, um, we're broadcasting over there.

00:33:25.080 --> 00:33:28.960
 I, to be honest, I don't even know if I'm really looking at it that much, but we'd love

00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.680
 for you to come over here and hang out with us.

00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.040
 So once again, it's discord.thechurch.digital.

00:33:35.420 --> 00:33:38.040
 Come over here and hang out with us.

00:33:38.860 --> 00:33:44.500
 Flat cap says, I remember when we got our first color TV, that may be the get off my lawn

00:33:44.500 --> 00:33:45.300
 got right there.

00:33:45.300 --> 00:33:48.460
 Like of everything, man, I don't, I don't know about that.

00:33:48.580 --> 00:33:49.220
 All right.

00:33:49.700 --> 00:33:54.140
 Um, so we were talking about gaming somehow I set up, that's what I, we're talking about

00:33:54.140 --> 00:33:56.440
 BBSs and, uh, I got, I got off topic.

00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:57.000
 My fault.

00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.740
 Um, how are, but our relationships real?

00:34:00.800 --> 00:34:05.160
 Like I'm, I'm talking about flat cap, flat cap, you know, Andy, let's talk about you.

00:34:05.260 --> 00:34:12.380
 I, I, we've been in physical space at the same time, twice, maybe five times, maybe five,

00:34:12.460 --> 00:34:12.840
 that many.

00:34:13.340 --> 00:34:13.540
 Yeah.

00:34:13.580 --> 00:34:14.560
 Maybe, maybe four.

00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:15.060
 Yeah.

00:34:15.240 --> 00:34:17.940
 Like a couple of expos and then a, then a day in Orlando.

00:34:18.140 --> 00:34:18.420
 Yeah.

00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.700
 And a, in a church IT network, maybe in there.

00:34:20.700 --> 00:34:22.080
 So three, four.

00:34:22.080 --> 00:34:22.440
 Tennessee or something.

00:34:22.680 --> 00:34:22.960
 Yeah.

00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:23.140
 Yeah.

00:34:23.140 --> 00:34:23.360
 Yeah.

00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:23.640
 Okay.

00:34:24.080 --> 00:34:24.720
 Flat cap.

00:34:24.820 --> 00:34:27.700
 I've seen once, um, Barbara.

00:34:27.700 --> 00:34:30.740
 I've seen once, um, white beard.

00:34:30.740 --> 00:34:36.060
 I've never been in physical space with, but I've had one zoom call with the guy.

00:34:36.540 --> 00:34:40.040
 Um, like, so it's, are these relationships real?

00:34:40.640 --> 00:34:44.520
 Like, let's, let me, let's put it, let's put a, let's put a, uh, let's put a label on it.

00:34:45.060 --> 00:34:49.980
 Are these relationships real enough to get to the place of, of discipleship of, of entering

00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:55.960
 into that level, that quality, that, um, authenticity level of relationship?

00:34:57.780 --> 00:34:58.260
 Yes.

00:34:58.540 --> 00:35:06.540
 In a word, um, if you think about what discipleship actually is, it is being a follower, right?

00:35:06.540 --> 00:35:11.920
 Like you're a disciple of metal music, or you're a disciple of mathematics or whatever.

00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:15.100
 And all that means is that you are simply following the principles and tenets as closely

00:35:15.100 --> 00:35:15.800
 as possible.

00:35:16.240 --> 00:35:21.440
 Being a disciple of Jesus is literally following as close as you can to Jesus.

00:35:21.540 --> 00:35:22.580
 Getting the, what is the old thing?

00:35:22.620 --> 00:35:25.820
 Getting the dust of the rabbi to cover you, like walking so close to him.

00:35:26.620 --> 00:35:27.880
 That's what discipleship is.

00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:34.920
 And so it, we as church leaders and church workers and pastors and, you know, bishops and

00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:39.900
 deacons and all that were called to be disciplers and to make, go and make disciples.

00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:46.620
 I go all the way back to my very first comment about the apostle Paul using letters to do asynchronous

00:35:46.620 --> 00:35:47.280
 community.

00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:49.120
 He was a pretty good discipler.

00:35:49.120 --> 00:35:56.800
 He was making disciples asynchronously, asynchronously, yes, but asynchronously all across the ancient

00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:57.620
 world.

00:35:58.120 --> 00:36:03.640
 We, he was using a system of roads that have been created by Rome to get from place to place

00:36:03.640 --> 00:36:03.940
 to place.

00:36:04.040 --> 00:36:08.900
 Rome had gone before him for hundreds of years and they had been paving and making sure that,

00:36:08.900 --> 00:36:11.040
 you know, highways were safe and all this other stuff.

00:36:11.080 --> 00:36:15.600
 And Paul was simply utilizing those highways and byways to get to different places to make

00:36:15.600 --> 00:36:15.980
 disciples.

00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.040
 Well, we now have legitimately a series of tubes connected called the internet.

00:36:20.160 --> 00:36:20.860
 Perhaps you've heard of it.

00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:27.180
 Al Gore created it back in the eighties and it is, this is our Roman road right now.

00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:34.100
 We have the opportunity to make disciples, to become disciplers ourselves with this, literally

00:36:34.100 --> 00:36:35.380
 this thing in our pocket.

00:36:35.380 --> 00:36:39.140
 I do a, I do a, um, a podcast called the hybrid disciple.

00:36:39.260 --> 00:36:39.920
 You should go check it out.

00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:42.160
 Uh, we're at youtube.com slash at the hybrid disciple.

00:36:42.340 --> 00:36:47.320
 We are also part of the church digital podcast network with our good friend and buddy Ashley

00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:47.720
 Lagos.

00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:53.700
 And part of the hybrid disciple is we are bridging the gap between digital and physical discipleship.

00:36:53.700 --> 00:36:58.500
 How do we make, and how do we entertain, and how do we really, uh, constrain ourselves

00:36:58.500 --> 00:37:05.300
 within the physical limits of discipleship while also expanding and being part of, uh, digital

00:37:05.300 --> 00:37:05.960
 discipleship.

00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:09.180
 And I have to tell you, it is a both and thing.

00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:13.780
 The digital relationships are absolutely 1 million percent, 1 trillion percent real.

00:37:14.020 --> 00:37:17.800
 You can have a, uh, an amazingly in-depth conversation.

00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:19.720
 You can do all of these things in person.

00:37:19.820 --> 00:37:20.840
 I am proof positive of it.

00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:22.200
 You are proof positive of it.

00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:26.180
 Every single person in this chat and pretty much everybody listening to this is proof positive

00:37:26.180 --> 00:37:26.720
 of that.

00:37:27.260 --> 00:37:30.800
 And when I get asked that question, well, it's not real, right?

00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:32.440
 It's just a screen and all those other things.

00:37:32.680 --> 00:37:34.660
 I direct them to my children.

00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.480
 I've got a 20 year old, just turned 20 yesterday.

00:37:37.720 --> 00:37:38.360
 Happy birthday, Austin.

00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:40.840
 Um, I have a 17 year old daughter.

00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.680
 She'll be 18 in July and I've got a 14 year old son.

00:37:44.040 --> 00:37:48.580
 Uh, now the 14 year old doesn't have social media because we're not allowing, we didn't

00:37:48.580 --> 00:37:50.400
 allow social media until 17, 18 anyway.

00:37:50.640 --> 00:37:55.460
 Um, just because I know the dangers and evils of social media and all that.

00:37:55.460 --> 00:38:00.000
 But regardless of the fact, my 20 year old and my 17 year old have screen names, they

00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:07.200
 have handles on Instagram and on, uh, and Tik TOK and they use them interchangeably with

00:38:07.200 --> 00:38:08.680
 their digital and physical relationships.

00:38:08.680 --> 00:38:12.720
 There is no barrier between digital and physical, what they see on their phone, what they grew

00:38:12.720 --> 00:38:13.180
 up with.

00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:14.460
 That's what they know.

00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.640
 And that's not for better or for worse.

00:38:16.640 --> 00:38:17.760
 That's just, that's what they know.

00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.980
 And so why would we not want to utilize these tools to form real relationships digitally when

00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:26.360
 we know that physical people are going to be affected all throughout this?

00:38:26.580 --> 00:38:26.660
 Yeah.

00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:27.180
 So good.

00:38:27.560 --> 00:38:32.380
 Uh, I'm going to quote here, by the way, Whitebeard says that, that he had Christmas dinner with

00:38:32.380 --> 00:38:34.500
 Al Gore at the United States Naval Observatory.

00:38:35.300 --> 00:38:38.640
 I actually, a couple of days ago, I referenced that Al Gore invented the internet joke.

00:38:38.640 --> 00:38:43.760
 Um, and to my kids, my kids are, my kids are very right over their head.

00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:45.160
 My kids are very intelligent.

00:38:45.940 --> 00:38:48.260
 Um, like they're like very smart.

00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:50.860
 My daughter's like number one in her class, high school freshman.

00:38:50.980 --> 00:38:52.620
 And my, my son's in seventh grade.

00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:54.200
 And both of them said, who?

00:38:55.860 --> 00:38:56.960
 I'm like, I just.

00:38:57.800 --> 00:38:59.080
 He spelled potato with an E.

00:38:59.260 --> 00:39:00.360
 No, that's not that one.

00:39:00.380 --> 00:39:00.980
 It's the other one.

00:39:01.080 --> 00:39:02.660
 That was, what was it?

00:39:02.680 --> 00:39:03.360
 What was his name?

00:39:03.520 --> 00:39:04.320
 Uh, oh my gosh.

00:39:04.620 --> 00:39:05.420
 Oh gosh.

00:39:05.600 --> 00:39:06.980
 Uh, you keep, you keep talking.

00:39:07.120 --> 00:39:07.280
 Sorry.

00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:08.220
 Somebody in chat will post it.

00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:08.660
 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:08.720 --> 00:39:09.520
 Dan Quayle.

00:39:09.520 --> 00:39:10.240
 Uh, so good.

00:39:10.340 --> 00:39:11.520
 Thank you for that Whitebeard.

00:39:11.600 --> 00:39:13.060
 Whitebeard is, is, is like.

00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:13.920
 All over it.

00:39:14.060 --> 00:39:15.800
 He's, he's, he's, he's jeopardy one-on-one.

00:39:16.240 --> 00:39:20.940
 Um, but DWR, DWR 1138, which is a reference to THX 1138.

00:39:21.040 --> 00:39:22.560
 I hope if not, that's really interesting.

00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:28.880
 Uh, but DWR says, uh, he does an online course that he gets to moderate, uh, and add context

00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:30.060
 specific discussions.

00:39:30.060 --> 00:39:33.700
 And he's working with students doing an online course, which I think it's a great option.

00:39:34.180 --> 00:39:38.640
 What, what, what, you know, look, thinking of like an online course, like a Thankgific or

00:39:38.640 --> 00:39:42.000
 something like that, which, which is, which is an option, which is asynchronous.

00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:50.300
 Um, you don't get a lot of, of the, um, I mean, you don't get the memes channel.

00:39:50.300 --> 00:39:55.960
 You don't get like a lot of that goofiness kind of stuff in, in a, in a, in something

00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:56.640
 like that.

00:39:57.200 --> 00:40:01.740
 Uh, in an asynchronous is, is the goofiness really a, is it necessary?

00:40:02.020 --> 00:40:08.200
 And how do you balance like the goofiness with a serious, like discipleship level stuff?

00:40:09.180 --> 00:40:10.980
 That is a, honestly, a great question.

00:40:11.100 --> 00:40:14.480
 We, uh, over at Lux, we have to deal with that same thing.

00:40:14.620 --> 00:40:21.820
 Lux is, uh, a church that was started by Mark Lutz, um, who many of us know, and it was started

00:40:21.820 --> 00:40:24.260
 three years ago by gamers for gamers.

00:40:24.260 --> 00:40:29.720
 And it's, it's since expanded a bit, but the core demographic is really a gamer centric,

00:40:29.720 --> 00:40:30.580
 uh, church.

00:40:30.700 --> 00:40:31.060
 It's awesome.

00:40:31.180 --> 00:40:31.440
 Love it.

00:40:31.500 --> 00:40:31.980
 I fit in.

00:40:32.100 --> 00:40:32.620
 It's my people.

00:40:32.700 --> 00:40:33.100
 It's my tribe.

00:40:33.160 --> 00:40:36.360
 That's my community, my community and parts of it are my community toss there.

00:40:37.200 --> 00:40:44.000
 And the thing about gamers is that we're all inherently trolls, not like ugly, nasty, gross

00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:49.900
 people, but we're all inherently, uh, we, we like to get in a chat and make people laugh

00:40:49.900 --> 00:40:52.400
 and poke fun and do that's just, that's part of the gaming culture.

00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:54.540
 Um, sometimes it can be taken too far.

00:40:54.540 --> 00:40:59.000
 And then there are other keyboard warriors that, um, decide that they want to blow up everybody's

00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.740
 spot and make things real bad and all that.

00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:02.560
 But by and large, it's just for fun.

00:41:03.120 --> 00:41:07.240
 And that there's a ton of goofiness there.

00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:15.080
 Uh, but there's also a switch can flip at Lux and it immediately goes from, Hey, we're

00:41:15.080 --> 00:41:19.880
 joking and laughing about something, some meme, some gaming channel thing.

00:41:19.900 --> 00:41:23.500
 And then all of a sudden somebody hits with a prayer request and it's like, Oh no, we're

00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:24.100
 down to business.

00:41:24.100 --> 00:41:25.900
 And it's a switch that just automatically flips.

00:41:25.980 --> 00:41:29.880
 Now that's built into the culture there building into this culture here.

00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.580
 We, you know, white beard pointed out that goofiness builds camaraderie and that's absolutely

00:41:33.580 --> 00:41:33.880
 it.

00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:35.440
 We need to have these types of things.

00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.360
 We can't just, we can't be 1000%.

00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:44.520
 We are geopolitical spiritual savants that are serious 100% of the time.

00:41:44.620 --> 00:41:49.100
 In fact, we probably shouldn't be serious even 25% of the time because, you know, I look

00:41:49.100 --> 00:41:52.820
 at, I look at the example of Jesus and like, I'm pretty sure Jesus spent a lot of his time

00:41:52.820 --> 00:41:54.320
 walking around with 11 other dudes.

00:41:54.660 --> 00:41:55.840
 And guess what?

00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:57.480
 Like dudes are dudes.

00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.600
 And most of these guys were ordinary unschooled fishermen.

00:42:00.600 --> 00:42:06.060
 You know, they, they had some things going on and there was probably some farting and probably

00:42:06.060 --> 00:42:09.340
 some, some burping and probably some like off collar jokes.

00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:11.740
 And I guarantee you, there was a lot of laughter.

00:42:11.940 --> 00:42:14.880
 There had to be, to be following around Jesus, there had to be a lot of laughter.

00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.900
 Or else three, that three year intensive thing where there's, if it's just only healing and

00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:23.320
 only, you know, this serious sermonizing, like there's no way nobody would have followed

00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:28.900
 Jesus that long, Jesus dapping or, uh, yeah, doing the dad there, um, in the chat from, from

00:42:28.900 --> 00:42:29.360
 flat cap.

00:42:30.040 --> 00:42:34.240
 So we need to have that, but we also need to build into our culture that, Hey, this is

00:42:34.240 --> 00:42:40.060
 also a place to come and share and be vulnerable and know that we are on shared mission with

00:42:40.060 --> 00:42:40.300
 you.

00:42:40.600 --> 00:42:44.960
 This is a place that, that we can understand that there's going to be people in your life

00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:46.600
 that are not going to understand what you're doing.

00:42:46.720 --> 00:42:49.740
 There's going to be people in your life that are going to get sick and are going to get

00:42:49.740 --> 00:42:52.960
 hurt and going to get injured and that are going to, you're going to need prayer.

00:42:53.080 --> 00:42:56.900
 Your mental health is going to struggle and, and, and your, your physical health is going

00:42:56.900 --> 00:42:57.240
 to go down.

00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:02.520
 We need to make sure that part of our culture also is establishing that realm, which, you

00:43:02.520 --> 00:43:05.220
 know, the coolest part about discord is that it breaks up into channels.

00:43:05.220 --> 00:43:08.900
 And so I'm not necessarily going to have all of that stuff in our tech channel.

00:43:09.040 --> 00:43:12.720
 Now in our tech channel, we're talking about AI right now, and that's pretty cool, but we

00:43:12.720 --> 00:43:16.660
 can go to our prayer request channel and we've got Leighton sharing some, sharing some

00:43:16.660 --> 00:43:16.940
 praises.

00:43:16.940 --> 00:43:18.340
 Like that's, that's very cool.

00:43:18.520 --> 00:43:19.900
 Discord allows us to do that.

00:43:20.100 --> 00:43:20.220
 Yeah.

00:43:20.380 --> 00:43:24.900
 I love the channels aspect and, and, you know, the ability to mute, ignore, turn off.

00:43:25.700 --> 00:43:31.700
 Hey, you know what, man, I'm, I'm really not into podcasts and I don't, I'm getting this

00:43:31.700 --> 00:43:33.980
 podcast, but I, you know, I don't, I don't want to keep up with that.

00:43:33.980 --> 00:43:37.540
 Or, um, you know, there, there's even been stuff that I'm like, yeah, I don't want to,

00:43:37.580 --> 00:43:39.980
 I don't want to get notified about this or that.

00:43:39.980 --> 00:43:43.620
 And so discord has so many permissions to be able to filter out what you do care about

00:43:43.620 --> 00:43:45.140
 and what you don't care about with that.

00:43:45.300 --> 00:43:49.720
 And so I do, I, I love that ability to kind of filter that, that back.

00:43:49.900 --> 00:43:53.460
 Well, you know, with, uh, and you guys have heard me talk about this and if not, you'll

00:43:53.460 --> 00:43:57.620
 hear me talk about it more, but it's this, the idea of, of a digital church flywheel

00:43:57.620 --> 00:44:01.200
 or a framework, or, Hey, if we're going to do digital ministry and this, this works for,

00:44:01.260 --> 00:44:04.340
 for digital is this honestly probably works for physical as well.

00:44:04.340 --> 00:44:11.300
 Uh, but it's, it's this simple framework of the, the, the people that we can imagine a

00:44:11.300 --> 00:44:15.780
 funnel, if you will, or a circle or a square, like we can spin it many different ways, but

00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:21.320
 it's this idea of the, the connections that we have in a digital space, this would be social

00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:22.060
 media connections.

00:44:22.060 --> 00:44:23.540
 This would be your email database.

00:44:23.540 --> 00:44:28.500
 This would be, you know, any of these, even personal relationships, the connections that

00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:32.520
 we have, uh, should be led into community.

00:44:32.860 --> 00:44:36.680
 And within that community is where we see discipleship happen.

00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:41.560
 Now, what we understand is that, you know, the people that are watching our church online

00:44:41.560 --> 00:44:46.840
 services, I mean, yeah, they're engaging with us, um, you know, an hour a week.

00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:51.220
 And I was just actually on the call earlier today, uh, with, uh, with the church and they

00:44:51.220 --> 00:44:55.020
 were like, uh, and so they, they have like their online church broadcast service and they

00:44:55.020 --> 00:44:56.080
 have a physical church service.

00:44:57.100 --> 00:45:02.260
 They weren't able to get their, um, their, uh, small groups, like they stopped doing small

00:45:02.260 --> 00:45:03.140
 groups of realism working.

00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:07.140
 And they just recently started one-on-one discipleship through the, through the navigators.

00:45:08.180 --> 00:45:10.000
 And so it's like, I mean, that's been working well.

00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:13.800
 And so it's like in physical space, they've got, okay, so they've got a physical church

00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:14.120
 service.

00:45:14.120 --> 00:45:16.380
 They're building relationships within the physical building community.

00:45:17.120 --> 00:45:21.860
 And then eventually they're getting down into, excuse me, and eventually they're getting

00:45:21.860 --> 00:45:23.140
 down to one-on-one discipleship.

00:45:24.140 --> 00:45:25.660
 And they're like, well, how do you do that online?

00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:30.560
 And I was like, okay, it's going to be really hard for you to get somebody watching an online

00:45:30.560 --> 00:45:34.180
 church service and to get them immediately into a one-on-one relationship.

00:45:34.340 --> 00:45:37.480
 Like there's not that trust that's in place digital like there is physical.

00:45:39.580 --> 00:45:46.280
 We started talking to them about micro sites, about digital communities, even like, um, Facebook

00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.440
 groups and, and discord.

00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:52.980
 And like, we're talking about here with asynchronous where you can, well, the look frog slowly,

00:45:53.060 --> 00:45:57.180
 so to speak, where you can build that relationship over time in that community.

00:45:58.520 --> 00:46:02.680
 And then what we're finding is a great way to get connected, you know, deeper into that

00:46:02.680 --> 00:46:07.220
 community, um, is once you're as getting or deeper into the community, that's where you

00:46:07.220 --> 00:46:11.260
 start to get into discipleship level conversations and even feeding into the one-on-one.

00:46:11.500 --> 00:46:12.160
 It's interesting.

00:46:12.240 --> 00:46:16.560
 Daniel M I've been blanking on this guy's name for, for weeks.

00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:20.320
 I've been telling the story and I could not remember who it was did a podcast with Daniel

00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:27.300
 M and he was talking about the difference of social space and about how the U S church

00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:29.700
 doesn't utilize a social space.

00:46:29.700 --> 00:46:37.240
 Well, you know, this is, this is like a medium size group, the church, they do big size groups.

00:46:37.240 --> 00:46:41.120
 Well, consider that Sunday morning, whether you're a hundred person church or a 10,000 person

00:46:41.120 --> 00:46:45.980
 church, you're a big meeting probably goes pretty well because you put a lot of effort

00:46:45.980 --> 00:46:49.820
 into that, by the way, that's top of funnel, even falling back on the Seth Godin blog.

00:46:51.020 --> 00:46:55.680
 Um, and then your discipleship, most churches do discipleship somewhat well, like even the

00:46:55.680 --> 00:46:59.540
 church I was referencing with the one-on-one discipleship or, or the small groups, like

00:46:59.540 --> 00:47:04.780
 whether or not that your discipleship strategy is effective, you're pouring resources into

00:47:04.780 --> 00:47:08.240
 discipleship and to your standards is probably operating the way that it should.

00:47:08.500 --> 00:47:09.240
 That's not a knock.

00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:14.880
 It's just, everybody's different, but what is not well, and this even gets back to some

00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.980
 of the Seth Godin stuff is that midsize community, that, that social space.

00:47:20.660 --> 00:47:24.200
 Even if you look at the life of Christ, I'm sorry, Andy, I'm going on a tire.

00:47:24.340 --> 00:47:28.760
 Even if you look at the life of Christ, he had all three levels.

00:47:29.040 --> 00:47:34.760
 He had the, the early church when Jesus ended up to heaven, there were 68 men and women.

00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:40.380
 And that was the church of acts, uh, pre, uh, pre Pentecost, 68 people.

00:47:40.540 --> 00:47:42.240
 Uh, and they were hanging out together.

00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:44.080
 Like that was the church.

00:47:44.080 --> 00:47:46.580
 That is the top of the funnel, so to speak.

00:47:47.640 --> 00:47:50.020
 Bottom, bottom of the funnel in Jesus's ministry.

00:47:50.020 --> 00:47:51.880
 Well, mid funnel social space.

00:47:52.040 --> 00:47:53.360
 Jesus had his 12.

00:47:53.640 --> 00:47:54.680
 That's that middle group.

00:47:54.780 --> 00:47:59.500
 That was the disciples and then the group that Jesus was really close with the people that,

00:47:59.600 --> 00:48:03.380
 that he was intimately discipling really gets down to the two or three.

00:48:03.500 --> 00:48:08.380
 So I would actually question Andy, whether Jesus was farting in front of all 12 or just

00:48:08.380 --> 00:48:10.400
 the three side conversation.

00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:12.800
 I don't know that we need to get into that one for today.

00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:20.300
 Um, but, but the fact is, is that we now have this opportunity to see community pull people

00:48:20.300 --> 00:48:26.340
 deeper down the funnel because ultimately this community, it builds trust and that trust allows

00:48:26.340 --> 00:48:29.560
 us to get deeper into that.

00:48:30.020 --> 00:48:32.880
 You know, Andy, I, I, I have, I, let me ask you this question.

00:48:33.120 --> 00:48:34.780
 Um, I have been, you know what?

00:48:34.820 --> 00:48:41.160
 I think I actually heard Jason Morris say this first and this goes back to 2017, 2018.

00:48:41.640 --> 00:48:44.240
 This is before I first met Jay Mo when I heard him say this.

00:48:45.160 --> 00:48:46.340
 See if you agree with it.

00:48:46.940 --> 00:48:50.140
 Digitally people find community before they find Christ.

00:48:50.380 --> 00:48:51.320
 Do you agree with that?

00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:54.880
 Yes.

00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:55.660
 Yeah.

00:48:56.120 --> 00:49:05.020
 I, I would, I mean, look at the way that, that we are structured in a lot of our discord servers

00:49:05.020 --> 00:49:06.480
 and in a lot of our social media stuff.

00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:11.460
 Like the, the already convinced are going and, and saying amen and putting praying hands and

00:49:11.460 --> 00:49:13.420
 doing things like that on a lot of these other things.

00:49:13.420 --> 00:49:22.660
 But, but the, the, the exacerbation of loneliness that happened in 2020 with, you know, a worldwide

00:49:22.660 --> 00:49:26.440
 pandemic and people in certain cases being locked inside their houses for a while.

00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:31.060
 And, um, you know, the, the fear mongering that was going on in a lot of people's hearts

00:49:31.060 --> 00:49:33.500
 was because they didn't actually have a community around them.

00:49:33.500 --> 00:49:35.320
 That's not a political statement or anything.

00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:39.100
 That's just, there was a lot of fear going on and there was not a lot of people to actually

00:49:39.100 --> 00:49:41.020
 have discourse outside of that fear.

00:49:41.700 --> 00:49:49.180
 And those that, those that didn't know Jesus were finding community in a lot of places.

00:49:49.180 --> 00:49:54.260
 And I will tell you, and we're using that word community again, loosely, but discord usage

00:49:54.260 --> 00:49:56.040
 skyrocketed over that time.

00:49:56.040 --> 00:50:00.280
 And that's where discord started to turn a little bit from being a gamer centric thing

00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:02.460
 into being a little bit more widely accepted.

00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:06.420
 You can go back and look at a bunch of studies that have been done and usage rates and even,

00:50:06.420 --> 00:50:13.020
 um, monetary values of discord from 2020 on, you can see that there's more money being poured

00:50:13.020 --> 00:50:16.540
 into it because people are recognizing the value of things like it.

00:50:17.340 --> 00:50:23.080
 And inside of that, there's a lot of people that don't know Jesus that are seeking to

00:50:23.080 --> 00:50:24.900
 just talk, just hang out.

00:50:25.020 --> 00:50:29.840
 We get a lot of people in our luck server that, um, they, they heard about us from a friend

00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.960
 or they saw us on a stream or something like that from somebody else's stream, one of our

00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:36.160
 stream partners, stream allies, and they'll pop in and they're definitely not believers.

00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:39.380
 I mean, some of their screen names that pop up there, you can definitely tell they are

00:50:39.380 --> 00:50:44.120
 not believers and yet they want to hang out and they want to play league, league, uh, you know,

00:50:44.120 --> 00:50:48.000
 league of legends, or they want to just, um, listen to some music with somebody, or they

00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:49.260
 want to just be there like that.

00:50:49.680 --> 00:50:53.960
 That is, that is an overwhelming propensity or overwhelming majority of people that join

00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:56.520
 into Lux that do not know Jesus.

00:50:56.520 --> 00:50:59.200
 They they'll join and then they'll meet Christ there.

00:50:59.860 --> 00:50:59.980
 Yeah.

00:51:00.080 --> 00:51:05.740
 And what, what an incredible, once again, opportunity missionally to start thinking about,

00:51:05.740 --> 00:51:12.860
 you know, digitally engaging these people, um, inviting them into a community, not to judge

00:51:12.860 --> 00:51:17.140
 them or ridicule them because, you know, I actually I'm thinking of, you know, Alice in

00:51:17.140 --> 00:51:21.000
 the palace, you know, is, is just the resident story that I feel like we tell a lot, but it's

00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.760
 a, she's part of, it's a perfect example.

00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:28.200
 You know, Alice's screen name pre Christ in, uh, in virtual reality and, and, uh, Twitch and

00:51:28.200 --> 00:51:33.420
 discord, I think was Alice queen of hell or something to that queen of queen of Satan, queen of

00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:33.620
 Satan.

00:51:33.860 --> 00:51:34.020
 Yeah.

00:51:34.300 --> 00:51:35.640
 Something, something to that extent.

00:51:35.820 --> 00:51:42.540
 And, um, and she, uh, through a eight month relationship, six month relationship with half

00:51:42.540 --> 00:51:46.660
 a dozen or maybe two or three different churches, a whole bunch of different people in virtual

00:51:46.660 --> 00:51:53.580
 reality, you know, Jay Earhart, a digital missionary in, in Twitch and VR, you know, led Alice to

00:51:53.580 --> 00:51:54.060
 Christ.

00:51:54.060 --> 00:52:00.040
 And so she changed her name from Alison, uh, excuse me, Alice queen of Satan, uh, to Alice in

00:52:00.040 --> 00:52:01.020
 the palace, you know, sure.

00:52:01.100 --> 00:52:08.540
 Her parents were, um, um, uh, not hardcore Satanists, but, uh, I'm neo-pagans is the word

00:52:08.540 --> 00:52:09.740
 I'm looking for, you know?

00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:16.160
 And so she changed from that, that lifestyle and found Jesus and, but she found it not like

00:52:16.160 --> 00:52:18.300
 through a comfort invitation where she raised her hand.

00:52:18.300 --> 00:52:22.680
 When the pastor preached a sermon, she found that it was a result of a long period of time

00:52:22.680 --> 00:52:27.380
 of relationships that's being developed in virtual reality, in Twitch, in discord.

00:52:27.900 --> 00:52:36.300
 And so it's incredible to see the opportunities of things like that happening in real time.

00:52:36.380 --> 00:52:39.420
 Speaking of in real time, I think I just got kicked out.

00:52:40.180 --> 00:52:43.040
 Um, can you, can you see me or can you add me?

00:52:43.040 --> 00:52:44.480
 Um, Andy, I think I lost you.

00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:45.480
 Yeah.

00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:45.480
 Uh, sorry.

00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:46.480
 I'm coming back.

00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:47.480
 Okay.

00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:47.480
 All right.

00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:48.480
 I'm back.

00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:49.480
 Um, yeah, I got disconnected.

00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:50.480
 That was a really important line.

00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.480
 You know, I, I, I butchered Alice, uh, and, uh, Alice queen of Satan, queen of hell, whatever.

00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.920
 And, uh, and, uh, and, and, and automatically, you know, spiritual warfare attacks discord.

00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.040
 Um, and, uh, and some, I literally just said, you know, you are now off the stage.

00:53:00.040 --> 00:53:01.240
 And I was like, well, I didn't click my mouse.

00:53:01.240 --> 00:53:02.240
 How did I get off the stage?

00:53:02.240 --> 00:53:03.240
 Yeah.

00:53:03.240 --> 00:53:04.240
 Come back.

00:53:04.240 --> 00:53:05.240
 Come back, Jeff.

00:53:05.240 --> 00:53:05.240
 I'm back.

00:53:05.240 --> 00:53:06.240
 Everybody calm down.

00:53:06.240 --> 00:53:07.240
 I think I didn't go anywhere.

00:53:07.240 --> 00:53:08.240
 Uh, you know what?

00:53:08.240 --> 00:53:09.240
 Yes.

00:53:09.240 --> 00:53:10.240
 It's, it's, uh, it's, it's software.

00:53:10.240 --> 00:53:11.240
 It's, it's going to, going to come back.

00:53:11.240 --> 00:53:12.240
 Yeah.

00:53:12.240 --> 00:53:13.240
 I'm back.

00:53:13.240 --> 00:53:13.240
 Yeah.

00:53:13.240 --> 00:53:14.240
 I'm back.

00:53:14.240 --> 00:53:15.240
 I'm back, Jeff.

00:53:15.240 --> 00:53:15.240
 I'm back.

00:53:15.240 --> 00:53:16.240
 I'm back.

00:53:16.240 --> 00:53:17.240
 Everybody calm down.

00:53:17.240 --> 00:53:19.240
 I think I didn't go anywhere.

00:53:19.240 --> 00:53:21.560
 I, you know what it's, it's, uh, it's software.

00:53:21.560 --> 00:53:24.400
 It's, it's going to, going to kink up every once in a while.

00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:25.960
 Um, all right.

00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:26.980
 Let's, so let me ask this.

00:53:26.980 --> 00:53:28.460
 Let's get, let's get practical.

00:53:28.460 --> 00:53:29.760
 Cause we, we've done it.

00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:33.520
 We've done an elementary walkthrough of, okay, this is what asynchronous is.

00:53:33.520 --> 00:53:39.180
 This is the community, um, you know, digital, you know, I've heard Mark talk about this,

00:53:39.180 --> 00:53:44.000
 that what he does for Lux, you know, what he does on Twitch is the equivalent of the Sunday

00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:44.880
 morning service.

00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:51.600
 Um, what he does on discord, engaging the community is the equivalent of Monday through

00:53:51.600 --> 00:53:52.060
 Saturday.

00:53:52.220 --> 00:53:55.300
 It's like, it's like the, it's the, it's the discipleship.

00:53:55.300 --> 00:53:56.080
 It's the relationship.

00:53:56.080 --> 00:54:01.520
 It's, it's, it's being the pastor versus the, being the, the public speaker, so to speak.

00:54:02.380 --> 00:54:10.200
 So let me ask you this, um, for a, in a hybrid environment, how would a hybrid church, a physical

00:54:10.200 --> 00:54:15.700
 digital church, how would they even start to begin to utilize something like asynchronous?

00:54:17.900 --> 00:54:20.800
 That's, uh, that's something we did at Bay Hope.

00:54:20.980 --> 00:54:27.900
 Um, the church I was at for the last five years, um, I found in the first eight months that I

00:54:27.900 --> 00:54:28.300
 was there.

00:54:28.300 --> 00:54:30.400
 So I, I started in June of 2019.

00:54:30.900 --> 00:54:37.220
 Uh, so before the COVID pandemic and in the first nine months that I was there, uh, the

00:54:37.220 --> 00:54:39.960
 first six months, we're really just getting my feet into the desk, you know, processes

00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.100
 and it's a big church, you know, multi-site church.

00:54:42.100 --> 00:54:45.840
 And so it's, there's a lot of bureaucratic and process driven things.

00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.180
 And so just trying to get that there.

00:54:47.180 --> 00:54:55.540
 And what I found was that I had landed in a place that we had, uh, we had a lot of, we

00:54:55.540 --> 00:54:59.380
 had, you know, a couple thousand people that were streaming us and connecting with us every

00:54:59.380 --> 00:54:59.880
 single Sunday.

00:55:00.420 --> 00:55:05.180
 And then we're dispersing for the other 167 other hours of the week.

00:55:05.240 --> 00:55:08.060
 And so I'd have them for an hour and then I wouldn't have them.

00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:14.260
 And that's a little Messiah complex E from me thinking that they needed to stay in contact

00:55:14.260 --> 00:55:16.800
 with me outside of emails and text messages and all that.

00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.060
 But that's really the point of church community is to make sure that you're there to support

00:55:21.060 --> 00:55:25.820
 and encourage and again, strengthen and share, you know, live a shared experience with somebody.

00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:30.120
 So I started building out, we had a, we had a large Facebook group that wasn't being used.

00:55:30.160 --> 00:55:33.340
 So I started building out the Facebook group and then, you know, COVID hit and then the

00:55:33.340 --> 00:55:34.520
 world got turned upside down.

00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:43.900
 And what I found was the, we went quickly from being a, a stream or a, a, a live multi-site

00:55:43.900 --> 00:55:47.600
 church that was streaming of services to all of a sudden we were a digital church, completely

00:55:47.600 --> 00:55:49.200
 digital church for about three or four months.

00:55:49.600 --> 00:55:53.740
 And then it, you know, then we turned into a hybrid church and I continued that Facebook

00:55:53.740 --> 00:55:57.520
 group and then I opened a discord server and, uh, we had a Slack channel for a little bit

00:55:57.520 --> 00:55:58.500
 and Slack didn't really take off.

00:55:58.540 --> 00:56:03.840
 And the thing that I kept noticing was that people were apt to go into discord on their

00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:06.500
 lunch breaks and they were going into discord on their way home.

00:56:06.680 --> 00:56:09.520
 Obviously they shouldn't have been typing on their phone and yet they still were, uh, they

00:56:09.520 --> 00:56:11.820
 were checking into discord before they went to bed.

00:56:11.940 --> 00:56:15.820
 You know, I, the average person was checking into discord two to three times a day.

00:56:15.820 --> 00:56:17.480
 And these are, these are definitely not gamers.

00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:23.840
 There are people that, um, you wouldn't think would ever, would ever want to check into as

00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:24.640
 something like discord.

00:56:24.820 --> 00:56:28.100
 And yet they'd open it up on their phone because they wanted to stay connected with their friends

00:56:28.100 --> 00:56:29.780
 and their family that were all also there.

00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:33.460
 And, you know, when I left, we had a discord server of a hundred, 150 people, something like

00:56:33.460 --> 00:56:33.580
 that.

00:56:33.620 --> 00:56:35.280
 Not huge, not small, but not huge.

00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:37.480
 And I was pretty proud of that.

00:56:37.640 --> 00:56:46.020
 The thing that I kept noticing was a, a, a step that we have to take, you know, Whitebeard

00:56:46.020 --> 00:56:49.260
 said setting up a campus pastor and then having something like discord to follow up on things

00:56:49.260 --> 00:56:54.660
 is yeah, for, for, for certain churches, they're going to have the resource to be able to hire

00:56:54.660 --> 00:56:59.660
 somebody, but all you really need is some sort of pastor or communications director to set

00:56:59.660 --> 00:57:03.700
 up a discord server, set up a Slack channel, set up a, you know, whatever, and simply just

00:57:03.700 --> 00:57:07.620
 check in with people once in the morning, once at night, once in the morning, once at

00:57:07.620 --> 00:57:12.320
 night, you're going to be shocked at how quickly people get used to that rhythm.

00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:13.220
 And it will be rhythm.

00:57:13.340 --> 00:57:17.800
 You're going to have to, you know, that you talk about a flywheel, Jeff, to start a flywheel,

00:57:18.140 --> 00:57:21.380
 you have to put a lot of energy in at the first part.

00:57:21.380 --> 00:57:25.520
 So like, if you think about when you're starting to pedal a bike, it takes a lot of energy to

00:57:25.520 --> 00:57:30.020
 pedal a bike, but once you get that bike going, you don't really necessarily have to put as

00:57:30.020 --> 00:57:32.940
 much energy in to keep that flywheel going up front.

00:57:33.140 --> 00:57:39.700
 If you truly feel that you are called into a hybrid sort of asynchronous lifestyle, which

00:57:39.700 --> 00:57:41.880
 spoiler alert, you should be.

00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:46.180
 But if you, if you truly feel like this is the way forward for you, it's going to, it's

00:57:46.180 --> 00:57:47.240
 going to be a lot of effort for you.

00:57:47.580 --> 00:57:50.920
 You as the communications director or a campus pastor or church leader or whoever's listening

00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:54.160
 to this, it's going to be a lot of effort, but you're going to realize very quickly that

00:57:54.160 --> 00:57:55.720
 it's going to pay off in spades.

00:57:55.980 --> 00:57:59.840
 You're going to notice also the people that are super passionate about your community that

00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.940
 are super passionate about staying connected and you're going to be able to utilize their

00:58:02.940 --> 00:58:06.900
 strengths and resources and gifting and talent in your community as well.

00:58:07.180 --> 00:58:12.980
 So my, my biggest practical advice is, man, just start, just do take the first step, like

00:58:12.980 --> 00:58:15.840
 get off of your hands and take the first step, whatever that first step is.

00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:18.120
 Is it opening up your Facebook group a little bit wider?

00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:18.660
 Cool.

00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:20.780
 Is it just simply posting in the morning and at night?

00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:21.320
 Cool.

00:58:21.460 --> 00:58:24.400
 I'm not saying you need to go hire a discord admin or anything.

00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:28.940
 Although the church.digital, if you want to talk a little bit more about that, uh, we

00:58:28.940 --> 00:58:32.920
 would, we would love to have that, entertain that conversation with you, but, um, take that

00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:36.680
 first step and start posting, get a little bit more regular about it, open up that door

00:58:36.680 --> 00:58:39.000
 and allow people to, to come into your community.

00:58:39.380 --> 00:58:39.500
 Yeah.

00:58:39.560 --> 00:58:40.560
 So, so good there.

00:58:41.060 --> 00:58:42.240
 Um, so good.

00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:46.040
 And so learning communities is a great way, you know, I'm just do a quick commercial for

00:58:46.040 --> 00:58:50.860
 the churches to get plugged in, uh, to start to learn how to do what we're talking about.

00:58:50.860 --> 00:58:54.340
 And that's, there's lots of questions that are come up on this, talked about it earlier.

00:58:54.340 --> 00:58:59.640
 Andy is actually leading a asynchronous community learning community for, for hybrid churches,

00:58:59.640 --> 00:59:04.800
 for digital churches to better understand how to take advantage and utilize this.

00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.480
 And so you're interested landing page.

00:59:07.640 --> 00:59:11.640
 If you go today, when we're doing this live broadcast, landing pages and up, but if you're

00:59:11.640 --> 00:59:16.540
 listening, uh, next week, when it was goes, conversation goes public, the church.digital

00:59:16.540 --> 00:59:20.760
 slash learning community, the church.digital slash learning.

00:59:20.860 --> 00:59:24.320
 That community, all one word on learning community, check it out.

00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:28.000
 That's a great place to get more information about this.

00:59:28.060 --> 00:59:32.140
 But once again, it's not up currently for this, uh, uh, live recording.

00:59:32.460 --> 00:59:34.320
 Uh, and so, yeah, it's, it's interesting.

00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:36.680
 It's some, uh, chat, uh, purposeful with Paul.

00:59:36.780 --> 00:59:40.260
 Most churches are already doing some sort of asynchronous email lists and texting.

00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:41.880
 It's important.

00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:47.920
 Like, I just, I want to reiterate this, um, that you are, that it's easy for people to talk

00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:48.980
 to the church.

00:59:49.240 --> 00:59:56.680
 Like, I think the reason I like asynchronous the most is because it's so easy for the church

00:59:56.680 --> 01:00:00.320
 to receive feedback, to receive conversations.

01:00:00.700 --> 01:00:03.560
 Like digitally, it's better to ask questions than make statements.

01:00:03.680 --> 01:00:08.280
 To get up on a soapbox and preach something is not nearly as effective as building a relationship

01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:08.960
 and listening.

01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:13.700
 And so if that email, yeah, white beard says that email and texts tend to be one way

01:00:13.700 --> 01:00:17.300
 and for purposeful, Paul, I'm sure he has a purpose, more interactive forms of async.

01:00:17.380 --> 01:00:18.080
 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:18.080 --> 01:00:22.160
 We're, we're on the same page, but just for those that, that are outside thinking about

01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:27.760
 this, like the importance of asynchronous is the ability to listen to that and build a

01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.000
 relationship by listening, not by talking.

01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:33.080
 Uh, and that's really what you want to get to in digital space.

01:00:33.080 --> 01:00:35.880
 It's not, to be honest, that's one of the things that Andy does so well.

01:00:35.940 --> 01:00:41.740
 The other part is, oh my gosh, if you do asynchronous well, your volunteers are leading it and running

01:00:41.740 --> 01:00:41.960
 it.

01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:47.640
 Like as, as a pastor, you don't need to be hands-on or you can get, you can do once a day

01:00:47.640 --> 01:00:50.880
 or twice a day, hands-on checking at lunch and at the end of the day.

01:00:50.980 --> 01:00:56.800
 And that's all you need to do because, cause the, your, your, your volunteers are so excited

01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:58.480
 about what's happening in that space.

01:00:58.480 --> 01:00:58.720
 Why?

01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:02.240
 Because you're finally doing something that's up there, up their alley.

01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:07.560
 There's a, uh, Andy, do you know, have you heard of this, um, introvert economy has that

01:01:07.560 --> 01:01:09.320
 phrase, but this is a new thing.

01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:11.480
 I just became aware of it a couple of weeks ago.

01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:14.380
 Introvert economy, introvert economy.

01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:15.080
 This is interesting.

01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:18.560
 Bloomberg, uh, Bloomberg.com published an article in January.

01:01:18.560 --> 01:01:23.260
 And as far as I know, that's the, uh, that's the first time that I've been able to find

01:01:23.260 --> 01:01:24.120
 a reference to it.

01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:30.180
 But basically what they're saying is, is that the, uh, the, the socioeconomic status changed

01:01:30.180 --> 01:01:34.800
 post COVID and ultimately people don't like being in social spaces and instead they're wanting

01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:35.840
 to do stuff from their home.

01:01:36.500 --> 01:01:43.100
 And so as a result, um, economies are shifting where now it's, it's, it's like, how do we get

01:01:43.100 --> 01:01:43.780
 the last mile?

01:01:43.780 --> 01:01:48.540
 Like Uber eats is far more, is far better than, than, than, than cooking or going

01:01:48.540 --> 01:01:53.440
 out to eat restaurants are, are making, are making more delivery and smaller footprints

01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:56.160
 without having to worry about all the seating spaces and stuff like that.

01:01:56.360 --> 01:02:01.140
 And so what, what's interesting from a church level is some of the stuff that we're talking

01:02:01.140 --> 01:02:02.300
 about with digital community.

01:02:02.780 --> 01:02:06.280
 Well, shoot, you may have some introverts that aren't really good in social space.

01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:10.160
 That would be awesome doing something like this, which is interesting.

01:02:10.160 --> 01:02:15.320
 Even talking about Alice queen of hell, like she is much better in a digital community and

01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:19.260
 engaging in dialogue with, with people, uh, than she is in physical space.

01:02:19.260 --> 01:02:22.620
 And I've had many conversations with her to know that to be true.

01:02:23.140 --> 01:02:28.660
 And so it's, it's understanding how digital community maybe can help you reach that different

01:02:28.660 --> 01:02:31.840
 type of person that, that your physical community can't do.

01:02:32.220 --> 01:02:36.840
 And having a hybrid, having digital community and physical community, once that compliment work

01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:39.000
 together is really the way to go.

01:02:39.140 --> 01:02:44.080
 That's some of the stuff that we're going to get into here, uh, within the, within the, uh,

01:02:44.080 --> 01:02:46.720
 learning communities that, that we're, that we're doing.

01:02:47.200 --> 01:02:51.160
 Um, and you know, Andy, I'm, I'm curious, uh, maybe you touched on this.

01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:51.820
 You know what?

01:02:52.700 --> 01:02:53.420
 Let's pivot.

01:02:53.680 --> 01:02:56.260
 Let's, let's get into this, uh, towards, towards the end.

01:02:56.720 --> 01:03:02.780
 I want, listen, and I say this, uh, I, I, I'm just the fact that I started the conversation

01:03:02.780 --> 01:03:08.040
 with, I want tells you there's ego involved in this statement.

01:03:08.560 --> 01:03:14.700
 Um, there, there, there's a couple of things in my life that I feel like I'm really early

01:03:14.700 --> 01:03:19.920
 on, like leading the curve ahead of the ball game.

01:03:19.940 --> 01:03:20.220
 Okay.

01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:24.380
 You know, I'm the guy whose first online Bible study he led was in the year 2000.

01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:29.660
 I was talking asynchronous community before Facebook existed in, in the marketplace.

01:03:30.120 --> 01:03:35.820
 Like, so I'm used to being ahead of the curve here, uh, digital church, a little ahead of

01:03:35.820 --> 01:03:42.680
 the curve, COVID accelerated things and made it, made it, uh, commonplace asynchronous community.

01:03:43.100 --> 01:03:48.100
 I kind of feel like we're maybe a little bit ahead of curve, really working with that bleeding

01:03:48.100 --> 01:03:53.640
 edge here a little bit, maybe more of the cutting edge coming in, uh, as we do have, like I said,

01:03:53.660 --> 01:03:58.120
 maybe half a dozen churches that are exceeding well in this space, but I really want the church

01:03:58.120 --> 01:04:04.280
 digital to be like the paramount example, the, the, uh, the, the pinnacle example.

01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:08.320
 I think that's probably the better word, the pinnacle example of asynchronous community.

01:04:09.540 --> 01:04:14.520
 I would love to hear from you because, because you are responsible.

01:04:14.780 --> 01:04:17.620
 You are like the community guy for the church digital.

01:04:17.620 --> 01:04:19.240
 That's, that's your job.

01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:28.480
 And you launched discord a month ago and ish, ish, and we are flying, we are rocking and

01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:28.780
 rolling.

01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:33.600
 I'm doing a broadcast here, live recording of, of this currently in discord.

01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:35.400
 It's been a lot of fun the past month.

01:04:36.040 --> 01:04:37.920
 Um, let's give a sneak peek.

01:04:38.160 --> 01:04:42.940
 You know, I love leaking stuff here on the, on the podcast, especially what, where, where

01:04:42.940 --> 01:04:43.600
 are we going with this?

01:04:43.640 --> 01:04:44.220
 What's coming up?

01:04:44.340 --> 01:04:46.500
 Let's tell us what, what's happening here with the church digital.

01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:51.440
 We've got two, two, yeah, two big things coming up.

01:04:51.600 --> 01:04:56.920
 Um, so you've noticed that we've kind of already started this where we have had live streaming,

01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.080
 like we're doing right now, plus some live office hours.

01:04:59.080 --> 01:05:00.260
 Uh, Jeff's been doing it.

01:05:00.300 --> 01:05:01.320
 Flat cap's been doing it.

01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:02.900
 Uh, JMO popped in a little bit.

01:05:02.980 --> 01:05:05.340
 Uh, we are going to be expanding that a little bit.

01:05:05.340 --> 01:05:10.900
 I'm actually going to be streaming, uh, into our discord server.

01:05:11.160 --> 01:05:14.940
 And the idea behind streaming is we're not gonna play video games.

01:05:15.020 --> 01:05:16.320
 We can play video games if you want.

01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:20.700
 Uh, but the idea is I am, I've been streaming a long time flat cap as well, but I've been

01:05:20.700 --> 01:05:26.920
 streaming a long time on Twitch and I kind of love the idea of just getting together with

01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:27.500
 a bunch of people.

01:05:27.720 --> 01:05:32.320
 Uh, and so one of the streams is literally going to be kind of just a, I say co-working

01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:36.620
 loosely, everybody says, Oh, co-working is like a thing that we all get in together and just

01:05:36.620 --> 01:05:38.180
 hang out and don't do work.

01:05:38.180 --> 01:05:41.660
 But I want us to just be able to have people around.

01:05:41.980 --> 01:05:46.800
 Um, I am an introvert and yet I have an extroverted nature when it comes to some of those things.

01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:48.540
 And I like having people around when I'm working.

01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:54.440
 And if a lot of you are like me, where you are on a computer or you have a phone or something

01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:57.800
 along those lines, and yet you're kind of head down and you're working on some things,

01:05:57.800 --> 01:05:58.900
 it's nice to have people in there.

01:05:58.900 --> 01:06:02.560
 And so we want to be able to lock arms a little bit during the workday.

01:06:02.560 --> 01:06:06.100
 And so once or twice a week, just for maybe an hour, hour and a half, maybe two hours,

01:06:06.620 --> 01:06:09.260
 we're going to start doing some co-working streams and that's literally, Hey, bring what

01:06:09.260 --> 01:06:09.560
 you got.

01:06:09.620 --> 01:06:10.780
 If you got questions, come on in.

01:06:10.820 --> 01:06:11.780
 This is not office hours.

01:06:11.780 --> 01:06:15.300
 This is more just, we're going to be, we're going to be working alongside each other.

01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.780
 Uh, we're going to be, you work on whatever you want to work on.

01:06:17.820 --> 01:06:18.980
 I work on whatever I want to work on.

01:06:19.020 --> 01:06:20.860
 We're going to try a big old grand old experiment.

01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:25.560
 Um, one of my favorite streamers, her name's Asia, the girl, she is on Twitch.

01:06:25.600 --> 01:06:27.700
 She's also on, um, she's got her own website.

01:06:27.700 --> 01:06:32.960
 She works for, um, a company called live streamer and, uh, or live stream, sorry.

01:06:33.200 --> 01:06:34.840
 And she does co-working streams.

01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:36.100
 They're some of my favorite streams.

01:06:36.620 --> 01:06:40.500
 They, she puts on some like lo-fi music and she just works and she just talks with a couple

01:06:40.500 --> 01:06:42.560
 of people that, they come on into the stream.

01:06:42.640 --> 01:06:43.480
 They come in and hang out.

01:06:43.540 --> 01:06:48.840
 There are people that, that are, um, that are devout Asia, the girl followers.

01:06:49.640 --> 01:06:54.180
 And I want us to have that kind of community to come hang out, chill type of community.

01:06:54.180 --> 01:06:55.160
 So that's, that's number one.

01:06:55.160 --> 01:07:01.160
 Uh, number two, the big one is you're going to start to see a lot more, um, uh, I'm going

01:07:01.160 --> 01:07:06.680
 to say interaction and I don't mean it that way, but as our flywheel starts to turn a little

01:07:06.680 --> 01:07:11.120
 bit more and as people kind of get our humor, you like the fact that people are sharing Seinfeld

01:07:11.120 --> 01:07:14.820
 memes in our live streaming chat right now makes me feel very, very happy.

01:07:14.980 --> 01:07:16.740
 And that's exactly what I'm talking about.

01:07:16.740 --> 01:07:21.200
 As we start to see these things, uh, pick up, as we start to get a little bit more of

01:07:21.200 --> 01:07:25.700
 our humor and a little bit more of our goofiness out there, uh, the real personality comes out

01:07:25.700 --> 01:07:30.720
 and then the true test of who we are as a community is really going to be shown.

01:07:30.720 --> 01:07:36.400
 And I think we have a lot to offer the rest of the world in terms of how do we actually

01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:37.620
 be disciplers?

01:07:37.720 --> 01:07:39.020
 How do we actually be movement leaders?

01:07:39.200 --> 01:07:44.160
 How do we actually help people stay on mission while at the same time having personality and

01:07:44.160 --> 01:07:45.120
 not being scared of that?

01:07:45.180 --> 01:07:48.100
 And so that's, that's honestly the biggest thing that you're going to start to see out

01:07:48.100 --> 01:07:48.600
 of our discord.

01:07:49.060 --> 01:07:53.160
 Um, a lot of the things that you will also see in discord channels is that people try to

01:07:53.160 --> 01:07:57.200
 force community and they try to force personality and they try to force culture.

01:07:57.500 --> 01:07:59.020
 And you can do that a little bit.

01:07:59.300 --> 01:08:03.080
 Uh, you can guide it, but anytime you try to force a culture, you end up with a company

01:08:03.080 --> 01:08:03.540
 like Twitter.

01:08:03.740 --> 01:08:08.860
 And we kind of saw what has been happening with Twitter over the last year where you're trying

01:08:08.860 --> 01:08:13.560
 to force a culture of anti-authoritarianism and all sorts of things there.

01:08:13.560 --> 01:08:17.400
 Sorry, if you still use Twitter, that's, that's, that's on you.

01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:18.020
 What's Twitter?

01:08:19.200 --> 01:08:19.600
 Yeah.

01:08:19.700 --> 01:08:19.980
 X.

01:08:20.100 --> 01:08:20.680
 Oh, yeah.

01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:20.860
 Sorry.

01:08:21.420 --> 01:08:21.740
 Uh, yeah.

01:08:21.740 --> 01:08:23.120
 The art is formerly known as Twitter.

01:08:23.460 --> 01:08:25.380
 Um, yeah, yeah.

01:08:25.380 --> 01:08:29.540
 So the biggest thing, the biggest thing you're going to see is a personality start to come

01:08:29.540 --> 01:08:29.700
 out.

01:08:29.700 --> 01:08:32.600
 And I, for one, want to be the curator of that personality.

01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:33.420
 We don't want to guide it.

01:08:33.460 --> 01:08:35.600
 I want to, I want to be the curator.

01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:39.000
 I want to, I want to hold that personality in my hands very loosely and go, okay, world,

01:08:39.180 --> 01:08:41.760
 I release you into the wild.

01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:46.600
 And so just, uh, the, the, the church digital discord, it's going to be the place to be.

01:08:47.040 --> 01:08:47.400
 Yeah.

01:08:47.400 --> 01:08:47.920
 I love it.

01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:53.720
 I'm, I'm streaming Tuesday, uh, every days and Thursdays, every, every Tuesday I'm streaming.

01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:56.080
 I'm doing, uh, several different open offices.

01:08:56.240 --> 01:09:00.120
 One is going to be more casual and one is going to be, Hey, bring your questions and let's

01:09:00.120 --> 01:09:01.000
 talk ministry wise.

01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:04.100
 And so I've got all that on the discord event board.

01:09:04.420 --> 01:09:06.400
 And, um, I, I just would do that.

01:09:06.480 --> 01:09:12.080
 My streams, by the way, like if I'm not doing a, uh, recording like this, my streams are very

01:09:12.080 --> 01:09:12.540
 casual.

01:09:12.540 --> 01:09:17.460
 Like I, I've been, I put some of those streams on, on pod on my podcast recently.

01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:21.600
 And, uh, I was, I, I think the last one I did, I was like, man, I'm not even going to

01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:23.760
 put like, it was so relaxed and chill.

01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:26.120
 It's like, I'm not, I, I, I'm not going to publish this.

01:09:26.120 --> 01:09:29.760
 Like it's, it's a lot of fun, but I'm, I'm just like sitting around having conversations

01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:32.960
 with people like it's, it's not, it's not really like podcast meat.

01:09:33.100 --> 01:09:34.520
 Like this was a great conversation.

01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:36.400
 We got to, you know, goof off with the chat.

01:09:36.740 --> 01:09:39.420
 The chat at this point is not even listening to us.

01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:44.320
 Like they are so, they are so off in whatever is, is happening right now.

01:09:44.320 --> 01:09:45.240
 Uh, yes, we are.

01:09:45.300 --> 01:09:46.180
 No, you're not white beard.

01:09:46.260 --> 01:09:47.640
 Come on white beard.

01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:51.520
 Go, go watch friends and, and Seinfeld white beard has only watched five or six Seinfeld

01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:53.760
 or friends and I know I'm missing out.

01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:54.020
 Yeah.

01:09:54.020 --> 01:09:57.140
 That is literally the get off my lawn guy, uh, right there.

01:09:57.300 --> 01:09:58.060
 Oh my gosh.

01:09:58.240 --> 01:10:00.060
 Friends, what's the guy upstairs?

01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:05.460
 Um, that, that's always like stomping down beneath and they're always like doing the broom

01:10:05.460 --> 01:10:06.020
 thing up.

01:10:06.540 --> 01:10:07.680
 Uh, come on, come on.

01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:08.880
 Somebody, somebody pull that.

01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:12.100
 Um, Mr. Rickles, Mr. Heckles, Mr. Heckles.

01:10:12.620 --> 01:10:13.020
 Yes.

01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:14.560
 There you go.

01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:15.000
 Yeah.

01:10:15.080 --> 01:10:15.520
 Oh my gosh.

01:10:15.580 --> 01:10:16.940
 White beard is Mr. Heckles.

01:10:17.300 --> 01:10:18.500
 Oh, he is.

01:10:18.580 --> 01:10:19.760
 It's so, so good, man.

01:10:20.300 --> 01:10:20.560
 I'm sorry.

01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:21.340
 You had to die though.

01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:23.020
 Um, sad, sad, sad.

01:10:24.220 --> 01:10:27.920
 Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, it did not, it's for a 30 year old show.

01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:28.200
 Yes.

01:10:28.240 --> 01:10:28.440
 Yes.

01:10:28.440 --> 01:10:28.920
 So good.

01:10:30.700 --> 01:10:31.240
 All right.

01:10:31.300 --> 01:10:35.960
 So, Hey, listen, we, we, the church digital, we, we want to set the example for asynchronous

01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:42.660
 and what we're doing here, um, through the church digital and providing, uh, consulting,

01:10:42.660 --> 01:10:47.280
 uh, to other organizations, conversations that we're already having and, and working with

01:10:47.280 --> 01:10:52.440
 churches, uh, through learning communities and, and, and otherwise we want to help, uh,

01:10:52.440 --> 01:10:57.460
 understand the organizations, figure out how to better utilize the funnel, so to speak,

01:10:57.460 --> 01:11:02.020
 to get better conversions down at the bottom, leading towards discipleship, disciple, disciple

01:11:02.020 --> 01:11:04.560
 making and, and, uh, and evangelism.

01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:12.720
 Like it's, it's so important and it is such a missing piece for the, the, the, the problems

01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:13.500
 of the church today.

01:11:13.740 --> 01:11:19.920
 So information on, Hey, listen, we're going to have, um, once again, for the live recording,

01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:22.960
 um, we're going to have an after party here in a little bit.

01:11:22.980 --> 01:11:24.100
 I'm wrapping up the broadcast.

01:11:24.260 --> 01:11:24.660
 So stick around.

01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:29.420
 Y'all don't leave as I'm hanging up for those of you who are not listening, uh, in, in,

01:11:29.420 --> 01:11:34.200
 in live, check, keep an eye on discord, keep an eye on, on, on our social media

01:11:34.200 --> 01:11:37.920
 as we start to broadcast and really get out there when we're doing these live recordings.

01:11:38.040 --> 01:11:42.900
 I know I've got five or six or seven, I think almost listed here in the next couple of months.

01:11:42.900 --> 01:11:47.940
 Like I'm leaning, I'm leaning heavy on, on, on the, on the live recording things would

01:11:47.940 --> 01:11:49.280
 love to have community in.

01:11:49.340 --> 01:11:53.100
 And so you could be posting whatever Kramer gifs and all the other stuff and deal with

01:11:53.100 --> 01:11:54.060
 the chaos that's in here.

01:11:54.060 --> 01:11:58.660
 And so information on the discord server or to sign up for the discord servers at discord

01:11:58.660 --> 01:12:00.240
 dot the church dot digital.

01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:03.840
 Uh, and so definitely want to be a part of that information on the learning community.

01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:08.940
 Learning communities as we're wrapping up, um, is, uh, so it's the learning communities

01:12:08.940 --> 01:12:10.540
 are going to be June, July, and August.

01:12:11.340 --> 01:12:13.520
 Um, dates are pending on that.

01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:17.800
 Um, Andy's doing his, and like I said, we've got five different topics that we're going to

01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:20.180
 be hitting with five different facilitators.

01:12:20.180 --> 01:12:25.800
 And so cost on the learning, the learning communities are eight weeks, all online, uh,

01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:27.680
 cost is, and all going to be discord based.

01:12:27.740 --> 01:12:29.080
 You see how I keep stalling on the cost?

01:12:29.080 --> 01:12:31.180
 Like that's, that's kind of intentional, but not really.

01:12:31.180 --> 01:12:35.180
 Uh, yeah, it's eight weeks, uh, all on discord.

01:12:35.580 --> 01:12:40.100
 So you're going to be learning how to do this, you know, and you get access to private channels

01:12:40.100 --> 01:12:40.540
 on discord.

01:12:40.540 --> 01:12:43.460
 It's going to be a lot of fun, but, uh, the cost is going to be seven 97.

01:12:43.940 --> 01:12:46.180
 It's normally nine 97, $997.

01:12:46.180 --> 01:12:51.160
 Instead, we're making it seven 97, um, for, for this first round.

01:12:51.400 --> 01:12:55.200
 Uh, and so we want to get churches to get wins out here.

01:12:55.200 --> 01:13:01.180
 And so if you're, if you're serious about experimenting, kicking the tires on, um, on a

01:13:01.180 --> 01:13:06.700
 learning on, uh, asynchronous, you want to get the tips and the tips, tips and the tricks

01:13:06.700 --> 01:13:08.080
 and the secrets from Andy mage.

01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:10.880
 Um, you, you want to be a part of it.

01:13:11.160 --> 01:13:15.920
 Uh, check, uh, actually it's, yeah, it's going to be the church.digital slash learning

01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:16.420
 community.

01:13:17.060 --> 01:13:18.420
 We'll have all that up here.

01:13:18.420 --> 01:13:21.020
 Uh, by the time this conversation goes public.

01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:22.040
 Awesome.

01:13:22.140 --> 01:13:22.280
 Yep.

01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:24.840
 Hey, so as we're wrapping up here, Andy, any, any questions?

01:13:26.220 --> 01:13:27.300
 Any closing thoughts?

01:13:27.300 --> 01:13:30.020
 I should say that was, I have no, I got no questions for you, Jeff.

01:13:30.060 --> 01:13:30.260
 Thanks.

01:13:30.260 --> 01:13:36.100
 Um, one of the, one of the things that, uh, I, I love that we're doing in discord is kind

01:13:36.100 --> 01:13:39.240
 of just being, you know, getting to read all these gifts and all those other things.

01:13:39.240 --> 01:13:42.160
 But, uh, one of the biggest things is that just be on the lookout.

01:13:42.320 --> 01:13:46.000
 We have, we've got a vision here and Jeff kind of talked about it very briefly and you're

01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:48.360
 going to start to see it flesh out a little bit more over the next year.

01:13:48.820 --> 01:13:52.380
 We've got yearly visions, we've got monthly goals, and then we've got weekly conversations

01:13:52.380 --> 01:13:54.060
 that we're going to be starting in, in May.

01:13:54.060 --> 01:13:59.980
 And so I just invite you to start being, uh, encouraged and really, uh, being engaged

01:13:59.980 --> 01:14:00.840
 in those conversations.

01:14:01.060 --> 01:14:04.440
 You'll see a little bit more starting next week as those start to roll out in our general

01:14:04.440 --> 01:14:08.180
 chat and, uh, throughout some of our channels, but everybody that's been here in the audience,

01:14:08.180 --> 01:14:08.820
 thanks so much.

01:14:09.080 --> 01:14:13.180
 Uh, we love you and, uh, continue to invite your friends to a wacky place like us where

01:14:13.180 --> 01:14:18.100
 we can talk about brick, uh, where we can talk about brick, brick comms and the it crowd

01:14:18.100 --> 01:14:22.800
 and, uh, um, you know, just have a lot of wacky, weird fun.

01:14:23.500 --> 01:14:24.100
 Confession hour.

01:14:24.260 --> 01:14:25.660
 I've never watched the it crowd.

01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:26.300
 Either one.

01:14:26.420 --> 01:14:28.180
 Isn't there, is there an English version as well?

01:14:28.400 --> 01:14:30.040
 I mean, there's a British and there's American.

01:14:30.820 --> 01:14:32.180
 The American one's fine.

01:14:32.320 --> 01:14:33.420
 The British one's real good.

01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:34.480
 Is it real, real good.

01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:34.880
 Yeah.

01:14:34.980 --> 01:14:35.460
 It's real good.

01:14:35.540 --> 01:14:35.960
 I'll do it.

01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:37.460
 Like I watched the British office.

01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:39.960
 Actually, I love British humor just for whatever reason.

01:14:40.020 --> 01:14:45.380
 I never got into, um, like to be honest, uh, whose line is it anyway?

01:14:45.440 --> 01:14:46.180
 The British version.

01:14:46.940 --> 01:14:47.520
 So good.

01:14:47.620 --> 01:14:52.940
 I would watch that old, like when it was on comedy central decades ago, I would, I wasn't even

01:14:52.940 --> 01:14:57.080
 alive when it was filmed, but just listening to those guys talk about whatever the crap they

01:14:57.080 --> 01:15:00.020
 were talking about, which made no sense to me, but their accents, I could just watch that

01:15:00.020 --> 01:15:00.580
 show all day.

01:15:00.660 --> 01:15:07.060
 Like there was literally a summer when I did nothing, but had comedy central on 24, seven,

01:15:07.140 --> 01:15:07.600
 three 65.

01:15:07.780 --> 01:15:09.100
 This was before South park.

01:15:09.100 --> 01:15:11.000
 So it wasn't like gross, crazy stuff.

01:15:11.180 --> 01:15:15.860
 I personally don't get into South park, but I know others do, but I'm not judging, but

01:15:15.860 --> 01:15:16.440
 I just don't.

01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:19.500
 But, um, everything else, Andy, I love South park.

01:15:19.500 --> 01:15:24.140
 As I recall, like that's not a direct shot, but I don't call you out, but are you, are you

01:15:24.140 --> 01:15:24.500
 that guy?

01:15:24.540 --> 01:15:25.180
 Or is it somebody else?

01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:27.260
 No, no, I used to.

01:15:27.280 --> 01:15:28.140
 And then I grew out.

01:15:28.240 --> 01:15:28.840
 Oh, I know who it is.

01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:29.480
 My brother-in-law.

01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:31.540
 My brother-in-law is a huge South park guy.

01:15:31.780 --> 01:15:33.700
 He looks like you, which is why I put the two together.

01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:34.640
 So forgive me.

01:15:34.660 --> 01:15:34.900
 Okay.

01:15:35.220 --> 01:15:37.980
 Um, but then I have a lot of respect for my brother-in-law as well.

01:15:37.980 --> 01:15:39.000
 So I respect both of you.

01:15:39.040 --> 01:15:40.060
 I got you confused in my head.

01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:45.340
 Casey, you're not listening to this, but I do appreciate, uh, you know, everything you've

01:15:45.340 --> 01:15:45.740
 done for me.

01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:46.360
 Thank you very much.

01:15:46.620 --> 01:15:50.980
 Hey, we're going to land the plane and we're going to swing over to, to the after show.

01:15:51.040 --> 01:15:53.700
 So discord, feel free to don't go anywhere, throw crushes in chat.

01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:55.620
 We'll bring you up and we can talk about this.

01:15:55.940 --> 01:15:57.920
 We're going to stop recording and thank you all.

01:15:57.940 --> 01:16:02.180
 Hey, for Andy, for the podcast, uh, this is Jeff with the church digital.

01:16:02.460 --> 01:16:05.840
 Thanks for jumping on the live recording here, being part of the show.

01:16:05.940 --> 01:16:06.580
 We'll see you next time.

01:16:06.940 --> 01:16:07.420
 Y'all have a good one.