WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.740 And so people that will fund you will fund you because they want to be a part of something and we have to give them the language for it. 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:14.660 You will exhaust your friends if you're just asking for money to get your ministry going like that's going to be exhausted very fast. 00:00:14.860 --> 00:00:24.660 But if you have people, if you give them clarity about what you're doing, they can then join you because there's clarity on what they are doing. 00:00:25.360 --> 00:00:27.120 Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. 00:00:27.980 --> 00:00:31.960 Through this podcast, we'll talk about the technological innovations within the church. 00:00:32.300 --> 00:00:35.780 But more than tech for tech itself, we'll address deeper questions. 00:00:36.400 --> 00:00:38.000 Is disciple making possible digitally? 00:00:38.400 --> 00:00:40.460 How should we approach the digital mission field? 00:00:40.740 --> 00:00:43.360 Can a biblically grounded church operate in digital space? 00:00:43.360 --> 00:00:47.680 Oh, and where does the metaverse and artificial intelligence fit into all of this? 00:00:48.680 --> 00:00:57.240 Whether you're a big or small church, the Church Digital's goal is to help churches like yours learn to be a multiplying church digitally and physically. 00:00:57.720 --> 00:00:59.380 And now here's your host, Jeff Reed. 00:00:59.700 --> 00:01:02.820 Hey, episode 294 of the Church Digital Podcast. 00:01:03.040 --> 00:01:05.000 Jeff Reed here, founder of the Church Digital. 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:10.400 And oh my gosh, I'm doing this podcast and I'm not wearing a hat. 00:01:10.720 --> 00:01:11.880 And so it's going to be weird. 00:01:11.940 --> 00:01:14.540 I'm going to put a hat on on YouTube. 00:01:14.700 --> 00:01:21.040 You can go watch this video over on YouTube and see what Jeff looks like when he doesn't wear a hat. 00:01:21.140 --> 00:01:22.480 Because I've got this beard. 00:01:22.960 --> 00:01:27.260 I have never been more self-conscious about my bald head now that I have a beard. 00:01:27.260 --> 00:01:28.960 Like when it was just a goatee, I didn't care. 00:01:29.080 --> 00:01:37.420 But like when I take my hat off and it's like I've got hair everywhere except for the spot up top where it doesn't grow anymore, the big spot up top. 00:01:37.520 --> 00:01:40.420 Like you didn't want to know this, but I'm just sharing from the soul. 00:01:40.500 --> 00:01:41.420 This is what I do for the podcast. 00:01:41.660 --> 00:01:45.100 You get the unfiltered view of the podcast. 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:50.200 By the way, talking about unfiltered, we're getting to some unfiltered conversation here with the Church Digital Podcast. 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:51.780 Barbara Canero coming up a minute. 00:01:51.880 --> 00:01:54.740 But all of this is brought to you by Riverside. 00:01:54.820 --> 00:01:59.080 Riverside, one of the sponsors here with the Church Digital, especially the podcast. 00:01:59.520 --> 00:02:03.560 And I got to tell you, we just continue to be impressed with Riverside. 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:07.640 Use their script software, their teleprompter software. 00:02:07.820 --> 00:02:11.460 Script software for this episode, teleprompter software this past week. 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:16.420 I'll tell you, the thing that most impressed me about Riverside is it was funny. 00:02:16.500 --> 00:02:20.960 I was actually doing a training with one of our content directors, Tom Pounder. 00:02:21.180 --> 00:02:22.880 Tom Pounder, TCD sidekick. 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:23.920 You all know the podcast, Tom. 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:24.840 Most of you know him. 00:02:25.140 --> 00:02:27.580 He is moving to Riverside as well. 00:02:27.640 --> 00:02:30.040 He's going to start to produce his podcast with Riverside. 00:02:30.720 --> 00:02:36.280 As we've talked about it, he's seen some of the things he can do with shorts and AI, how they've infused it into programming. 00:02:37.020 --> 00:02:37.860 He's been really excited. 00:02:37.860 --> 00:02:42.920 And so this past week, I jumped on a, I guess it was literally on Riverside. 00:02:42.980 --> 00:02:43.660 Maybe it was Google Meet. 00:02:43.820 --> 00:02:49.000 But I walked him through a lot of functionality of Riverside, how it works, and just coaching him through it. 00:02:49.220 --> 00:02:50.680 It's like a 30-minute conversation. 00:02:50.820 --> 00:02:52.820 Riverside is so intuitive towards things. 00:02:53.320 --> 00:02:54.240 But it was really interesting. 00:02:54.440 --> 00:03:01.100 While I was on the call with Tom, I get an email from, I think, Abe or Abel from Riverside. 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:05.980 And it's the, you know, it's the mass email newsletter they send out weekly or whatever. 00:03:06.820 --> 00:03:14.360 But this particular email was like all the bug patches and upgrades and features that came into Riverside. 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:22.500 And so I open up this email on my phone, and I just, because I'm listening to Tom talk and, you know, just, you know, whatever, and just on my phone, kind of scrolling through. 00:03:22.880 --> 00:03:26.360 And this just keeps scrolling through, just keeps scrolling through, just keeps scrolling through. 00:03:26.460 --> 00:03:30.200 Like all the improvements that they have put into Riverside. 00:03:30.300 --> 00:03:33.900 I just, I've constantly, I don't have, you know, contact with the inside. 00:03:34.340 --> 00:03:35.500 I don't know what's going on. 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:43.320 I don't know Riverside's roadmap, but they are putting so much effort and energy into Riverside right now. 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:44.480 It is incredible. 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:58.800 Church, if you're not utilizing this software for podcast recordings, for a remote interview, for creation of shorts, like the little bit of money that Riverside costs is ridiculous. 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:07.400 The power that you're getting, the horsepower, the functionality, the potential of what Riverside is, y'all definitely need to check it out. 00:04:07.460 --> 00:04:14.460 Go to the website, thechurch.digital slash Riverside, thechurch.digital slash Riverside. 00:04:14.540 --> 00:04:18.100 Get more information, check it out, and tell them Jeff said hello. 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:19.640 It's really, it's good stuff. 00:04:20.200 --> 00:04:22.480 I think we're exclusively using Riverside. 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:22.920 You know what? 00:04:22.960 --> 00:04:24.040 We've got one guy left. 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.480 There's one show left here on the podcast network that's not using Riverside. 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:29.180 I've got to get that guy to change. 00:04:29.540 --> 00:04:31.160 That's my goal in life. 00:04:31.820 --> 00:04:36.320 I've got a lot of goals in life, I'll be honest, but that's one of them is to get, I'm not going to insert name here. 00:04:36.960 --> 00:04:40.540 I'm going to beep, get beep to change to Riverside. 00:04:40.620 --> 00:04:44.080 I'm not going to call them out publicly, although I really, really want to, but that's another one. 00:04:44.300 --> 00:04:45.280 Hey, let's get into the podcast. 00:04:45.440 --> 00:04:49.880 Barbara Carnero, I told you this is an unfiltered view with the Church Digital Podcast. 00:04:50.380 --> 00:04:55.740 So we were doing live recordings of the podcast, and we tried to for the majority of them, over on Discord. 00:04:55.740 --> 00:05:03.100 By the way, if you're not on the Church Digital's Discord server, thechurch.no, discord.thechurch.digital, discord.thechurch.digital. 00:05:03.340 --> 00:05:04.380 Sign up, get in there. 00:05:04.460 --> 00:05:10.600 Oh my gosh, there's like so many events and live podcast recordings and open offices and the engagement, the community. 00:05:10.960 --> 00:05:12.180 It's been unbelievable. 00:05:12.400 --> 00:05:20.120 We used to, we used to, we put a lot of effort, we used to involve ourselves in a, in a platform that we will no longer speak of, formerly known as Mighty Networks. 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:26.840 And it is, I mean, horrible is the word that comes to mind. 00:05:26.880 --> 00:05:27.820 It was a horrible experience. 00:05:27.820 --> 00:05:31.420 Like it just, it wasn't, it wasn't what it needed to be. 00:05:31.960 --> 00:05:36.560 And we've, we, we officially publicly launched Discord, I don't know, a week or so ago now. 00:05:36.780 --> 00:05:38.820 And we've doubled in size. 00:05:39.180 --> 00:05:47.400 It's just so much more engagement, so much more community, so much more live streaming and dialoguing and international. 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:49.400 Oh my gosh, so much stuff. 00:05:49.440 --> 00:05:50.940 We're going to talk about that soon with the Church Digital. 00:05:51.860 --> 00:06:02.760 And really, I'm going to just be honest, like one of, one of the architects, um, and maybe the best addition that we've done in the Church Digital was involving ourselves with Barbara Carnero and Word Revolution. 00:06:02.760 --> 00:06:06.060 Barbara is, uh, is CEO of the agency over there at Word Revolution. 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:09.560 And, um, I am, I am so impressed. 00:06:09.640 --> 00:06:12.760 We've been working with her for about 10 months on different projects. 00:06:12.760 --> 00:06:16.100 She, she spearheaded our, our brand, uh, rebranding. 00:06:16.100 --> 00:06:29.700 She and her team, um, our, our brand, uh, our, our, our communication strategy are, are just, you know, so much, even, even like what we're doing on a day-to-day basis, not only the strategy aspects, but how we're communicating. 00:06:29.700 --> 00:06:40.560 And, and to be honest, a lot of what my vision for what the Church Digital was, we'll talk about it in the show, a lot of my vision, um, like she's owning it and she's telling it back better than I am. 00:06:41.200 --> 00:06:44.560 And, uh, and, and she's, I mean, she's such an asset for us. 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:46.460 Uh, we brought her on the Church Digital team. 00:06:46.520 --> 00:06:47.900 She's, she's Connections Director. 00:06:48.700 --> 00:06:54.980 Um, and so communications and, and a lot of the, the, the top funnel stuff, if you do the funnel talk, she's that. 00:06:54.980 --> 00:06:59.000 And then feeds into Andy, who's now overseeing community, which is Discord and some other things. 00:06:59.540 --> 00:07:01.440 And so, like, it's been an incredible experience. 00:07:01.660 --> 00:07:08.500 And so, but, but her agency really works with church rebranding, church strategy, church communication stuff. 00:07:08.840 --> 00:07:13.480 And, um, we, the Church Digital, this summer, summer 24, we're doing a series of learning communities. 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.080 And it's like, hey, who are, who are we going to do? 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.940 Like, what, what learning communities are we going to kind of open up with and get a proof of concept on? 00:07:21.020 --> 00:07:25.200 And Barbara is doing some phenomenal work with, um, communications. 00:07:25.200 --> 00:07:27.640 And so it's like, all right, Barbara, you know, are you willing to step in? 00:07:27.960 --> 00:07:28.700 And she is. 00:07:28.780 --> 00:07:33.120 And so we're going to be offering a learning community on church communications here, summer 24. 00:07:33.780 --> 00:07:38.760 And I would challenge you all to check out Barbara's communications. 00:07:38.760 --> 00:07:44.740 If you are an organization that is struggling with branding, uh, with messaging, with communications, 00:07:44.740 --> 00:07:49.200 with the strategy implications of it, with, with getting people to own your vision. 00:07:49.200 --> 00:07:52.600 We talk about this portability, uh, getting people to own your vision. 00:07:53.300 --> 00:07:58.000 Um, Barbara has done that for the Church Digital in a big way. 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:03.040 And she's doing a learning community to help organizations and churches like yours figure it out for you. 00:08:03.260 --> 00:08:09.260 So more information on learning communities, thechurch.digital slash, um, learning hyphen communities. 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:11.360 Check out that's plural on communities. 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.360 We'll put a link in the show notes towards it. 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.400 Disclaimer here on the podcast. 00:08:15.640 --> 00:08:20.480 Um, this is probably the, we've done a lot of live podcast recordings and streams. 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:21.680 We've not had any issues. 00:08:21.880 --> 00:08:27.380 And for whatever reason, this podcast, we had the most issues with the live stream. 00:08:27.380 --> 00:08:29.420 So be patient with us on the tech. 00:08:29.700 --> 00:08:31.900 Um, it, it'll hold up for the, for the most part. 00:08:31.980 --> 00:08:35.120 And, uh, I, and I think everything was, came through okay. 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:42.180 Um, there was a lot of just calm distractions kind of walking into this conversation solid. 00:08:42.540 --> 00:08:47.240 Um, you know, life sometimes gets messy and, and it intersects into what we're trying to do. 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:49.080 And you're feeling that in real time. 00:08:49.140 --> 00:08:52.180 Remember, this is the unfiltered episode 294 of the Church Digital Podcast. 00:08:52.340 --> 00:08:53.000 You're getting real. 00:08:53.640 --> 00:08:57.360 Uh, so we'll talk about it some on, on the show, but definitely a big win. 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:00.340 Whether you're a physical church, whether you're a digital church, whether you're something 00:09:00.340 --> 00:09:04.620 in between, whether you're just trying to figure this out, nonprofit Christian ministry, like 00:09:04.620 --> 00:09:06.320 there's takeaways for all of you. 00:09:06.520 --> 00:09:11.180 So check out, uh, myself, Jeff, the Church Digital and Barbara with the Church Digital and 00:09:11.180 --> 00:09:11.880 Word Revolution. 00:09:12.700 --> 00:09:17.100 In a, in a, in a, in a conversation, uh, digital, uh, communications for churches. 00:09:17.740 --> 00:09:18.700 Okay, everybody, here you go. 00:09:21.040 --> 00:09:23.040 Hey, Barbara, how you doing? 00:09:23.880 --> 00:09:24.820 I'm good. 00:09:24.900 --> 00:09:25.680 I'm good. 00:09:26.540 --> 00:09:29.140 So this is going to be an, in an interesting conversation. 00:09:29.140 --> 00:09:35.500 I was, I was telling them, you know, you are, uh, just getting ready to leave the country, 00:09:35.620 --> 00:09:37.360 moving with your family over to Barcelona. 00:09:37.900 --> 00:09:42.560 I told them an interesting story where I almost died in Barcelona at the Barca, at the Spain, 00:09:42.740 --> 00:09:43.800 France, uh, border. 00:09:43.920 --> 00:09:44.940 I was, I was kayaking. 00:09:45.040 --> 00:09:47.340 I was on a, I did a mission trip to Barcelona. 00:09:47.340 --> 00:09:52.220 Um, I actually had a friend at the time that was playing for the Barcelona dragons, which 00:09:52.220 --> 00:09:54.820 was the NFL minor league team that was in Barcelona. 00:09:55.100 --> 00:09:56.920 And, uh, so I was visiting him as well. 00:09:56.920 --> 00:10:03.160 And, uh, we went kayaking and, um, my kayak overturned in this, the whitewaters in France. 00:10:03.900 --> 00:10:10.960 Um, and I didn't, I didn't under overturn it and, uh, kind of like was drowning for a little 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:11.240 bit. 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:14.360 And by the time they got like that, I didn't, I mean, obviously I didn't die. 00:10:14.420 --> 00:10:16.800 It wasn't even hospital, but you know, they get, they get me out. 00:10:16.920 --> 00:10:19.340 They, they, uh, they do the chest compressions. 00:10:19.340 --> 00:10:21.460 I get all the water out of me and it was, it was crazy. 00:10:21.640 --> 00:10:22.620 They didn't mouth to mouth. 00:10:22.940 --> 00:10:26.840 I, it was, if my friend had actually done mouth to mouth on me, like that would have 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:28.360 been, um, awkward. 00:10:29.280 --> 00:10:31.100 Um, it was a big football player guy. 00:10:31.160 --> 00:10:34.600 And, uh, but no, it was, uh, it was, it was an interesting moment. 00:10:34.660 --> 00:10:35.980 I lost my class ring. 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:40.640 It was my, my college class ring at the time is actually somewhere at the bottom of some 00:10:40.640 --> 00:10:42.860 river in, in, uh, France or Spain. 00:10:42.860 --> 00:10:46.620 So hopefully, hopefully you don't die in Barcelona, Barbara. 00:10:46.780 --> 00:10:49.540 I don't want to jinx the situation, but that would be my wish for you. 00:10:50.800 --> 00:10:53.060 Um, and, but I was like, you know, she's, she's moving. 00:10:53.280 --> 00:10:55.440 And so we've been doing a lot of running on both sides. 00:10:55.520 --> 00:10:59.100 I've been dealing with insurance companies and, and, uh, calling a bunch of that besides 00:10:59.100 --> 00:10:59.820 some of the other stuff. 00:10:59.820 --> 00:11:04.800 But I am excited and looking forward to coming into this conversation centered around, uh, 00:11:04.800 --> 00:11:05.480 church communication. 00:11:06.020 --> 00:11:08.460 So how are you doing today? 00:11:08.460 --> 00:11:10.800 Are you, you settled in everything good? 00:11:10.880 --> 00:11:12.600 What's, what's your day look like so far? 00:11:12.800 --> 00:11:13.700 We are, we are. 00:11:13.820 --> 00:11:16.280 So, you know, we're in that limbo where we're not there. 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:17.260 We're not here anymore. 00:11:18.220 --> 00:11:22.100 So it's kind of like half, half of the house is gone, but then half of the house is still 00:11:22.100 --> 00:11:22.460 here. 00:11:22.860 --> 00:11:26.120 Uh, and, uh, you know, we're kind of have a foot there and a foot here. 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.180 And so I, I hate limbo. 00:11:28.740 --> 00:11:31.400 Um, so I'm, I'm kind of like just ready to be done. 00:11:31.700 --> 00:11:37.420 Um, but you know, there's something to be said about, uh, mourning what you're leaving 00:11:37.420 --> 00:11:42.180 behind and the things that you're gonna, uh, you know, not see for a little, a little bit. 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:47.280 So I'm, I don't want to rush that process of, of going through those emotional roller coasters. 00:11:47.280 --> 00:11:51.080 This would be, this will be the first time we don't, do not live in the U S for like in 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:54.620 the last, um, 15, 15 years. 00:11:54.900 --> 00:11:56.220 So yeah. 00:11:56.340 --> 00:11:59.680 So U S will be a place of visit for me now, like vacation. 00:12:00.300 --> 00:12:00.740 Yeah. 00:12:00.740 --> 00:12:02.460 I've never, I've never lived outside of the country. 00:12:02.460 --> 00:12:06.660 You know, I've, I've visited and traveled, but, um, you were, you, you were more South 00:12:06.660 --> 00:12:07.600 American initially, right? 00:12:08.100 --> 00:12:08.540 Yes. 00:12:08.620 --> 00:12:11.220 So Spain will be the seventh country I'll live in. 00:12:11.220 --> 00:12:17.600 Um, yeah, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Portugal, England, U S and now Spain. 00:12:18.160 --> 00:12:18.980 Where England? 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:20.320 I was in London. 00:12:20.520 --> 00:12:21.900 That's where I finished my degree. 00:12:22.180 --> 00:12:22.360 Yeah. 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:23.140 Wow. 00:12:23.400 --> 00:12:26.020 I, I, London is the place that I would love to. 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:32.660 I, I did a lot of, uh, my, my minor in college was a British literature and actually 19th century 00:12:32.660 --> 00:12:33.360 British literature. 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:38.680 And I can tell you a bunch of stuff about stuff you don't care about, but, um, I, you know, 00:12:38.680 --> 00:12:40.460 I've always been like, I want to go to London one day. 00:12:40.460 --> 00:12:43.020 And so one day, one day it'll actually happen, but we're not there now. 00:12:44.060 --> 00:12:44.580 All right. 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:46.420 Hey, let's, let's dig in here. 00:12:46.420 --> 00:12:50.260 We're, we're talking about, um, we're talking about church communications. 00:12:50.460 --> 00:12:55.660 And, and, and, you know, I've, I've shared your story often here, uh, on streams and podcasts 00:12:55.660 --> 00:13:00.920 talking about, uh, you know, a lot of the, the things, uh, that you've helped us figure 00:13:00.920 --> 00:13:06.360 out with the church digital with our, our rebranding, uh, merging digital church network and the church 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:11.900 digital together, um, helping us simplify our, our message and the importance of that. 00:13:11.900 --> 00:13:20.420 Um, you know, building the websites, um, you know, unifying what we're doing and using that, 00:13:20.420 --> 00:13:25.920 that, that really that vision to, to help us filter out what we are and what we're not. 00:13:26.540 --> 00:13:32.320 Um, and it, and it's funny, like even as early as recent as today, you know, we're in meetings 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:35.660 talking about it and some of the stuff I want to hear and some of the stuff I'm like, I don't, 00:13:35.740 --> 00:13:39.220 I don't like what you're saying right now, Barbara, not to say that it's wrong, but it's, 00:13:39.220 --> 00:13:46.260 it's, it's forcing me, uh, to kind of limit who I am because I want to do everything for 00:13:46.260 --> 00:13:46.640 everybody. 00:13:46.640 --> 00:13:50.360 I want to, I want to be, um, you know, salt. 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:51.300 I want to be everywhere. 00:13:51.420 --> 00:13:56.140 You know, we're, we're the salt of the earth and sometimes by doing everything, by trying 00:13:56.140 --> 00:13:57.420 to reach everybody, you reach nobody. 00:13:57.760 --> 00:14:01.980 And, um, you know, the, the more narrow you reach, the more people that you reach. 00:14:01.980 --> 00:14:07.300 And so it's, it's, it's hard to, in digital context, I'm just gonna be honest, it's hard 00:14:07.300 --> 00:14:07.980 for me to pivot. 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:12.160 And I know that's, that's a challenge for a lot of our churches because physically it's 00:14:12.160 --> 00:14:13.460 everywhere, everything. 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.380 And, and when they try to be everywhere and everything for everyone digitally, you know, 00:14:18.380 --> 00:14:19.900 there's a lot of challenges in that. 00:14:19.900 --> 00:14:23.940 And so, man, I would love to just even open up a little bit here for you. 00:14:23.940 --> 00:14:29.420 And, and like, as, as we're talking, you know, digital, uh, communications, you know, 00:14:29.420 --> 00:14:31.180 we're talking, let's talk physical church. 00:14:31.180 --> 00:14:36.800 Let's talk digital expressions of church established new, uh, plants, you know, top to 00:14:36.800 --> 00:14:37.080 bottom. 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.200 What are, what are some of the challenges? 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.840 What are some of the, um, the, the hurdles? 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:43.780 How do, and how do we even start to overcome that? 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:44.200 Yeah. 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:49.520 So, uh, you know, the idea of, of having an audience is something that we've heard for a 00:14:49.520 --> 00:14:49.980 long time. 00:14:49.980 --> 00:14:54.460 Like people will talk about, like, you know, define your audience, get to know your audience. 00:14:54.460 --> 00:15:00.560 Uh, and I feel like we've gotten to a point where the idea of an audience is this, this, 00:15:00.560 --> 00:15:03.660 this like very abstract concept, right? 00:15:03.740 --> 00:15:05.280 I was like, oh yeah, I have an audience. 00:15:05.280 --> 00:15:06.860 Like, what is it? 00:15:06.860 --> 00:15:13.700 Like how, how can we, um, humanize that and not seeing it as an abstract concept and start 00:15:13.700 --> 00:15:14.480 seeing people? 00:15:14.880 --> 00:15:20.640 Uh, and so I think more, more than more often than not, like the things that I, I sometimes 00:15:20.640 --> 00:15:27.700 share with leaders and, and, uh, church leaders is like, listen, I don't want you to think of 00:15:27.700 --> 00:15:30.860 serving everybody because even that is abstract. 00:15:31.420 --> 00:15:37.620 Who's sitting at your table when you're talking, when you're describing, when you're sharing what 00:15:37.620 --> 00:15:39.100 you do, who's sitting at your table. 00:15:39.260 --> 00:15:41.520 And now obviously we can have visual tables, right? 00:15:41.520 --> 00:15:42.720 We can have visual gatherings. 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:47.420 We can have in-person gatherings and like all of those, like the expressions can be endless, 00:15:47.420 --> 00:15:49.500 but who, who's sitting with you? 00:15:49.760 --> 00:15:54.040 Not everybody will sit with you and what you're doing in some point in time, sometimes the 00:15:54.040 --> 00:15:59.320 easiest way to start is by saying who would never sit at my table because there are, there 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:03.320 are people that will never sit at my table, not because I don't want to work with them, 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:08.020 not because I don't want to minister to them, not because I don't want to serve them, but 00:16:08.020 --> 00:16:13.640 because there's just no point of connection, uh, that person would choose not to sit at my 00:16:13.640 --> 00:16:13.980 table. 00:16:14.160 --> 00:16:18.900 And so there has to be a table somewhere for that person because God is that good. 00:16:18.900 --> 00:16:21.480 Like he wants everybody to have a seat at a table. 00:16:21.660 --> 00:16:25.860 And so I need to start by saying some people will never sit at my table. 00:16:26.060 --> 00:16:31.560 And if I can start looking at who would have a hard time or where's the greatest gap, right? 00:16:31.560 --> 00:16:35.200 So I can say, well, it'll be easier for some people than others. 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:39.600 So some have a smaller gap than others will have. 00:16:39.780 --> 00:16:42.960 Does that mean that I, you know, and let's just give examples. 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:53.040 Like I may say, well, a 65 year old male may never sit at a table with me, with me listening 00:16:53.040 --> 00:16:54.000 to what I got to say. 00:16:54.620 --> 00:16:58.540 Maybe we're just saying that there's going to be somebody in some point in the future that 00:16:58.540 --> 00:17:02.480 will be like, he's 65, he's a male and he's willing to hear what I say. 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:04.800 So you always have exceptions to that rule. 00:17:04.800 --> 00:17:11.140 We're not in, I, we use the stereotype as, as a way to kind of see something, but I'm 00:17:11.140 --> 00:17:14.240 not saying that I will never speak to a 65 year old male. 00:17:14.660 --> 00:17:15.140 Right. 00:17:15.220 --> 00:17:23.140 Um, if I think of an 18 year old boy, that's probably a similar gap too. 00:17:23.140 --> 00:17:30.000 Like there's a wide gap there for me to speak unless it's like a friend to my son or my son 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:30.860 himself, you know? 00:17:30.860 --> 00:17:37.180 So, uh, depending on your ministry, your talents, your gifts, where God has placed you, the ministry 00:17:37.180 --> 00:17:42.960 he's put in your heart, there will be people with a shorter gap towards you than others. 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:49.880 And so all I'm, I need, I can start with saying, okay, for some people will be really hard to 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:51.540 actually want to sit down with me and talk. 00:17:52.100 --> 00:17:54.640 And so who's sitting there, who do you see? 00:17:55.020 --> 00:18:01.000 And the more I can humanize that vision, the easier it will be for me to speak to them. 00:18:01.520 --> 00:18:02.400 It's interesting. 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:07.260 What now, I mean, you're talking about who's at the table, who do you, who do you have? 00:18:07.780 --> 00:18:10.640 And, and, you know, let's, let's talk, let's talk about the planters. 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:14.820 Like most of the, the, the planters, the people that are coming and starting digital churches, 00:18:14.820 --> 00:18:22.680 like they, they have a target audience in mind that, that really comes from their vision, 00:18:22.840 --> 00:18:24.260 their dreams, their desires. 00:18:25.060 --> 00:18:28.400 Um, like, is that, is that selfishly motivated? 00:18:28.520 --> 00:18:32.380 Should we be looking at who our connections are instead of who we want them to be? 00:18:32.380 --> 00:18:35.880 Should we, you know, desire to, to change and recruit? 00:18:35.980 --> 00:18:40.800 Like, how, how do we feel that tension of who we want to become, who we want our church 00:18:40.800 --> 00:18:46.320 to be maybe on a planting perspective, and then who we're actually getting at this point? 00:18:46.420 --> 00:18:48.520 Like, you know, and even just confession. 00:18:48.520 --> 00:18:52.420 I felt this with the church digital where, you know, a lot of, a lot of our move to discord 00:18:52.420 --> 00:18:55.580 was to try to reach a different demographic. 00:18:55.580 --> 00:19:00.000 We were reaching a lot of, well, people that look like me, uh, to be honest, mid forties 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:05.660 with, you know, bald, um, and we wanted to move away from the mid 40 bald looking guy. 00:19:05.740 --> 00:19:09.340 I mean, I'm kind of attractive, I think, but you know, I'd, I'd rather see some, some younger 00:19:09.340 --> 00:19:09.840 faces. 00:19:09.840 --> 00:19:13.040 And so like, is that, is that selfishly motivated? 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:16.820 How do, how do we feel that tension and even balance who we are versus who we want to 00:19:16.820 --> 00:19:16.960 be? 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:17.360 Yeah. 00:19:17.980 --> 00:19:20.260 Uh, I, I do believe that God plants those seeds. 00:19:20.260 --> 00:19:25.160 Like I believe that he's going to give you a passion, a vision, uh, for a group of people. 00:19:25.600 --> 00:19:32.240 Uh, and, uh, it's, it's so amazing for me to see how, uh, the level of connection, it's 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:34.180 not necessarily just based on age. 00:19:34.180 --> 00:19:38.980 Now I'll be honest, there is like, well, we got like, uh, let's put a name to it, like 00:19:38.980 --> 00:19:42.400 the golden ratio or whatever the golden range. 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:49.600 So there's a, uh, um, a 10, like if you look at somebody that is 10 years younger, 10 years 00:19:49.600 --> 00:19:53.460 older than you, there's a greater chance that they, there would be a connection there. 00:19:53.760 --> 00:19:58.580 Uh, just naturally, because there is not like, you know, just think of generational gaps to 00:19:58.580 --> 00:19:59.120 begin with. 00:19:59.320 --> 00:20:03.560 So naturally, if you're, let's just go to the traditional church. 00:20:03.560 --> 00:20:08.340 If you get, if you have a pastor that is 52, there's a good chance, a big chunk of the 00:20:08.340 --> 00:20:11.280 congregation will be 42 to 62 naturally. 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:13.500 Does that mean they can't attract other people? 00:20:13.620 --> 00:20:14.360 No, they can. 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:19.400 Sometimes you have a second pastor that is younger, or this person is transitioning from 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:25.820 somebody else, but naturally, so the least, like the path with least resistance will be 00:20:25.820 --> 00:20:27.800 somebody 10 years younger, 10 years older. 00:20:28.180 --> 00:20:29.220 That is a fact. 00:20:29.360 --> 00:20:34.840 It's very natural that even your friends group will be similar to what I'm describing, but 00:20:34.840 --> 00:20:39.860 we can connect with people from different places than just our age, right? 00:20:39.860 --> 00:20:45.960 So you can find connections based on key human desires, based on stages of life, based on 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:46.460 affinity. 00:20:47.040 --> 00:20:53.160 Uh, and so there are ways to create your church, your movement, your ministry based on something 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:54.300 else that is not age. 00:20:54.360 --> 00:20:57.340 I think age affects it, but I don't think it defines it. 00:20:57.660 --> 00:20:57.780 Yeah. 00:20:58.140 --> 00:21:01.880 Uh, white, white beard sharing a comment right now in the, in the chat. 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:05.640 I don't know if you can see that you can click on the, uh, chat bubble in the upper right 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:07.600 hand corner to, to get connected with that. 00:21:07.660 --> 00:21:08.660 By the way, we're doing this live. 00:21:08.700 --> 00:21:11.900 I probably said that, but white beard, uh, which is so true. 00:21:11.900 --> 00:21:14.460 I look old, but speak to a younger audience. 00:21:15.120 --> 00:21:18.480 Um, and, and so like, you know, some of us are capable of that. 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:23.360 Um, I don't know if I, I don't know if I do, to be honest, like I would, I mean, I've even 00:21:23.360 --> 00:21:27.280 in, in, in the movement of what we're doing here with the church digital, like I, we, we 00:21:27.280 --> 00:21:30.820 do, there are younger people that are, but you know, I don't, I don't know that I'm 00:21:30.820 --> 00:21:35.680 like as, as much as white beard is the target to kind of do what, what he's able to do and 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:36.700 build those relationships. 00:21:37.340 --> 00:21:41.540 Um, or at least I'm sensitive to the fact that, you know, I look the way that I look. 00:21:41.800 --> 00:21:48.980 Um, what, um, as we're, and one of the things that I love that you did for us is, is really 00:21:48.980 --> 00:21:57.600 helped us, um, you know, recognize who we are, are reaching, who we wanted to reach and 00:21:57.600 --> 00:22:02.680 then simplify everything that we were doing that, that was misaligned. 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:07.140 And there was, you know, historically, you know, within the church digital, and this is 00:22:07.140 --> 00:22:09.000 my fault because I want to make everybody happy. 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:13.420 Um, you know, we were, we were kind of all over the place, but the reality is, is that 00:22:13.420 --> 00:22:16.460 we needed to, to really align that and bring that down. 00:22:17.100 --> 00:22:21.240 Um, how, how do we, how do we get to that place? 00:22:21.380 --> 00:22:27.320 You know, and I'm even talking physical churches that, um, really struggle with that, you know, 00:22:27.360 --> 00:22:30.420 trying to, they do everything for everyone. 00:22:30.420 --> 00:22:32.900 And that's kind of the, the approach towards that. 00:22:33.020 --> 00:22:37.260 And once again, that may work physically, but digitally there's challenges to that. 00:22:37.260 --> 00:22:43.980 So, um, how, how do we kind of resolve and get past, not just recognizing who our audience 00:22:43.980 --> 00:22:48.960 is, but narrowing down the focus of what we're actually doing to only target that audience. 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:50.080 Is that even the right play? 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:50.600 Yeah. 00:22:50.740 --> 00:22:53.360 So, uh, I use, uh, food metaphors often. 00:22:53.360 --> 00:22:55.900 So forgive me if you guys haven't had any lunch yet. 00:22:56.380 --> 00:22:58.880 Uh, but have you ever been to Haagen-Dazs? 00:22:58.940 --> 00:22:59.740 As a diabetic? 00:22:59.740 --> 00:23:00.980 Not really, not lately. 00:23:00.980 --> 00:23:01.760 No, thank you. 00:23:03.020 --> 00:23:04.720 I do know what you're talking about historically. 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:05.020 Yes. 00:23:05.080 --> 00:23:08.780 Well, one of my, one of my aunts, she used to work for Haagen-Dazs and her job was to 00:23:08.780 --> 00:23:11.740 go to places like the Dominican Republic and try the ice cream. 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.600 Uh, and so that was, that was her job. 00:23:14.600 --> 00:23:19.460 Like she, she would literally, so she would fly to all of their resorts and whatever, whatever, 00:23:19.460 --> 00:23:20.520 and just try the ice cream. 00:23:20.520 --> 00:23:21.920 And so that was her job. 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:26.740 But, you know, one of the things about Haagen-Dazs is that this is, there's like all of these luxurious, 00:23:26.740 --> 00:23:32.020 like very, like, you know, uh, flavors and, you know, mixtures and whatever. 00:23:32.280 --> 00:23:37.360 And, uh, I used to fight my kids because I was like, I will forbid you from going to Haagen-Dazs 00:23:37.360 --> 00:23:38.240 and picking vanilla. 00:23:39.620 --> 00:23:47.120 There's just, I know, like, I'm not spent, like, you're going to pick a flavor that really 00:23:47.120 --> 00:23:51.300 like guys, like elevate your design, you know, like ice cream experience. 00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:51.860 You know what I mean? 00:23:52.260 --> 00:23:53.840 That's really expensive for a plane. 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:54.860 There's got to be something better. 00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:55.840 We're not going for vanilla. 00:23:55.940 --> 00:23:56.840 Like I refuse. 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:01.320 Like if you want vanilla, get McDonald's, whatever thing, if the machine is working, but you know, 00:24:01.360 --> 00:24:02.680 like we're not doing that. 00:24:03.020 --> 00:24:08.240 So, um, but there, there's this one story and I wish I could quote it correctly, but I can't 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:13.200 remember even who said it, but if you were to send 10 people to an ice cream store, to a 00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:19.060 Haagen-Dazs, and if you were to say, you all have to agree on you, you have free ice cream 00:24:19.060 --> 00:24:21.020 for life, but you all have to agree on a flavor. 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:22.880 They would all come back with vanilla. 00:24:24.500 --> 00:24:26.180 Who goes to a Haagen-Dazs for vanilla? 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:26.820 Nobody. 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:27.200 Right. 00:24:27.340 --> 00:24:30.260 And so I need you to think of this from this angle. 00:24:30.460 --> 00:24:34.860 As soon as you have two audiences, you have to lose something. 00:24:35.860 --> 00:24:40.060 And so instead of giving something, you're actually going to lose something of who you 00:24:40.060 --> 00:24:42.700 are, of your gifts, of your talents, of your resources. 00:24:43.180 --> 00:24:49.160 And so what I want you to think is I need to operate at the maximum of my ability and the 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:55.140 maximum of my ability is a talent, a specific way of speaking, a specific way of ministering, 00:24:55.260 --> 00:25:02.640 a specific way of serving that in some cases, it's not like it's excluding people, but it's 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:07.840 so intentional to a group of people that their option is none, but to say yes. 00:25:08.540 --> 00:25:12.140 And so what you're doing is you're accelerating the path towards somebody. 00:25:12.820 --> 00:25:14.100 I'll describe it this way. 00:25:14.860 --> 00:25:21.820 You have to think that any ministry has, you know, picture those in the airport, you 00:25:21.820 --> 00:25:25.740 have those like moving, moving pathways, how do you call them? 00:25:25.940 --> 00:25:26.100 Yeah. 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:27.580 So the moving walkways. 00:25:27.980 --> 00:25:33.980 So imagine that they're moving walkways coming towards you at a very slow pace. 00:25:34.320 --> 00:25:37.100 So you have people, they will find you somehow. 00:25:37.600 --> 00:25:39.240 Maybe they will hear from somebody. 00:25:39.520 --> 00:25:40.800 Maybe they'll find you on Google. 00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:45.100 There's something that is going to bring them to you at a slow pace. 00:25:45.800 --> 00:25:50.760 And you have the chance to accelerate one of these paths, which ones you want to accelerate. 00:25:51.140 --> 00:25:56.220 So just imagine you have a wrench and you can go and you can say, there's this one, one of 00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:58.260 these paths I can accelerate. 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:00.460 And that's where you put your intentionality. 00:26:00.560 --> 00:26:03.100 So I'm not slowing down the other ones. 00:26:03.740 --> 00:26:09.460 They're still coming to me, but they're coming at the pace they're coming, but I'm speeding up 00:26:09.460 --> 00:26:11.620 the process for one of them to find us. 00:26:11.780 --> 00:26:14.480 And so that's what we did for the church digital. 00:26:14.620 --> 00:26:19.820 We said, there's this one group and we're going to make a path that is so clear for them to 00:26:19.820 --> 00:26:22.520 cross that they would not look to the left or to the right. 00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:23.860 It would be very clear. 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:29.840 And so when you make one of these paths clear, you will see more movement towards you. 00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:33.600 And then once you have, you know, if this one is working, then you can think about a second 00:26:33.600 --> 00:26:35.480 path and the third path and a fourth path. 00:26:36.120 --> 00:26:40.100 But otherwise, you're just going to be diluting your efforts. 00:26:40.100 --> 00:26:44.220 To do that, to do that, we had to sacrifice, you know, some, some stuff. 00:26:44.380 --> 00:26:48.200 And it's interesting, you know, Whitebeard's even referencing that in chat. 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:56.160 He's like, I, I, he's, I will draw a younger crowd because I use EDM as worship music. 00:26:56.260 --> 00:27:01.000 Now, if you don't know Whitebeard, Whitebeard is, Whitebeard works every December at Santa 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:01.360 Claus. 00:27:02.080 --> 00:27:10.000 He is the, the Christian version of, of ZZ Top and, and he's like, and I will, and it 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.900 turn, it will turn off older people, but he's okay with that. 00:27:12.980 --> 00:27:13.520 That's what he's saying. 00:27:13.620 --> 00:27:15.960 So, so here's a guy in his Whitebeard. 00:27:16.040 --> 00:27:17.180 How old are you actually? 00:27:17.260 --> 00:27:22.120 I would probably say mid sixties, 56, sorry, 56. 00:27:22.560 --> 00:27:29.060 And, but he is very much kind of like that, that's, you know, seventies rocker guy mindset 00:27:29.060 --> 00:27:32.060 with the, with the long, literally that he told me at one point his beard. 00:27:32.060 --> 00:27:33.240 Heard was over 12 inches long. 00:27:33.420 --> 00:27:33.920 I forget. 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:35.620 And that was a 14 inches long. 00:27:36.140 --> 00:27:41.320 And, and so this is not the guy when he's like younger audience, he's, he's like walking 00:27:41.320 --> 00:27:47.200 around the art district in, in Tampa, which is called Ybor city and, and wearing a monk 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.380 outfit and doing like street ministry with people. 00:27:50.380 --> 00:27:55.820 And that's like how he, he operates, which is not, you know, typically what you would see 00:27:55.820 --> 00:27:56.660 for somebody like that. 00:27:56.660 --> 00:28:01.940 Literally, literally he's Whitebeard punk monk because he breaches punks with, 00:28:02.040 --> 00:28:05.800 or punk music and looks like a monk when he does it. 00:28:05.800 --> 00:28:10.480 And, um, like there's a sacrificial piece of that, right? 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:15.220 Like the, the people that are involved in his ministry, people that look like him and maybe 00:28:15.220 --> 00:28:20.860 supporting him aren't maybe as engaged in EDM music as much as the, the audience that they're 00:28:20.860 --> 00:28:21.560 trying to reach. 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:26.760 And Jeff, I think that we forget that every decision we make is either bringing people 00:28:26.760 --> 00:28:29.720 closer or further away from you, every decision. 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:31.620 So it doesn't matter what you pick. 00:28:31.620 --> 00:28:39.040 Like if you're picking Twitch versus Facebook, those two are digital, you know, that decision 00:28:39.040 --> 00:28:46.860 alone is going to bring some people faster and it will, you know, slow down, um, what other 00:28:46.860 --> 00:28:48.800 people will, how fast they will come to you. 00:28:48.800 --> 00:28:55.260 So the channels you pick the, your theology, your personality, some people will have like, 00:28:55.620 --> 00:28:57.520 Oh man, this person is just too much for me. 00:28:57.520 --> 00:28:58.880 Like, you know, over the top. 00:28:59.100 --> 00:29:01.560 And some people will be like, Oh, this person is just too boring. 00:29:01.560 --> 00:29:02.500 Like too monotone. 00:29:02.620 --> 00:29:04.180 I was a part of a discipleship group. 00:29:04.320 --> 00:29:08.100 I'm not going to say the name out loud, but I was a part of the discipleship group that 00:29:08.100 --> 00:29:09.320 happens at 7 PM. 00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:11.100 So it was like, after the day was over. 00:29:11.580 --> 00:29:17.620 And let me tell you, I would watch the recordings at 2X, you know, like two times faster. 00:29:18.100 --> 00:29:19.420 And it was still slow for me. 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.800 So you can imagine what it felt like in real person. 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.180 Everybody was just like, and I'm, you know, I just need a faster energy. 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:27.800 Nothing wrong with the group. 00:29:27.860 --> 00:29:28.980 It was phenomenal. 00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:33.560 The teachings, like everything about it was great, but, but it was just a different rhythm 00:29:33.560 --> 00:29:36.660 that I could handle personally, just my personal preference. 00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:41.660 And so you're going to see that there, whatever decisions you make, and for other people, it 00:29:41.660 --> 00:29:42.560 will be too fast. 00:29:44.340 --> 00:29:49.660 I have a cohort where we're launching a learning community on communications, which is similar 00:29:49.660 --> 00:29:52.920 content that I teach in a, in a, another cohort. 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.840 And, uh, you know, you will run it in some point and people will be like, yeah, I wish 00:29:57.840 --> 00:29:59.020 you could participate more. 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.600 And then the next time you run it and people will be like, I don't like to be on, you know, 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:03.440 put on the spot. 00:30:03.620 --> 00:30:07.040 And I was like, okay, either you participate, like which one, you know? 00:30:07.220 --> 00:30:13.540 So every decision you make is already making people say yes or no. 00:30:14.820 --> 00:30:17.400 The only thing I'm giving you is permission to own it. 00:30:17.620 --> 00:30:23.100 So you're basically saying when I make this decision, I'm making an intentional decision 00:30:23.100 --> 00:30:25.880 to accelerate the path for this person. 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:27.860 And so you have control over it. 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:33.000 Take control, be intentional with what you're building and you will see faster results. 00:30:33.280 --> 00:30:37.200 And it's, it's so awesome when you see some of those results come in, you know, when you, 00:30:37.560 --> 00:30:42.600 when you, you limit, you limit your focus and, and, uh, you get, you know, quote unquote 00:30:42.600 --> 00:30:46.560 conversions when, when the, when the CTA works and, and, you know, it does that. 00:30:46.940 --> 00:30:51.360 And, you know, we, we, at a personal level, we saw that happen, you know, in a big way 00:30:51.360 --> 00:30:52.580 with, uh, with the discord. 00:30:52.580 --> 00:30:57.480 And so driving, uh, you know, the initial email that, that I sent out the note from Jeff, 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:02.340 um, you know, that went out to our database and, and seeing, you know, a lot of those, 00:31:02.600 --> 00:31:04.080 those, uh, people come on. 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:08.540 We had, I mean, it looks like we've, we've netted almost a hundred people, um, since that 00:31:08.540 --> 00:31:12.780 initial went out and like engagement, the community has been, been really good on discord, 00:31:12.780 --> 00:31:17.120 but there was, there was one guy that, that, to be honest, that day, it just kind of like, 00:31:18.060 --> 00:31:20.540 it felt like it was everybody else, like coming in. 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:24.020 It was a name I didn't recognize, but to be honest, the database is so big. 00:31:24.020 --> 00:31:26.320 Like, I don't, I don't keep taps with everybody. 00:31:26.420 --> 00:31:28.480 And I thought, oh, I just met this guy at a conference or something. 00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:34.780 And, um, he was, he was from another country, but he was really engaging and meeting and talking 00:31:34.780 --> 00:31:35.780 with people on their own. 00:31:36.380 --> 00:31:42.600 And then, um, you know, on, on my calendar, I, I see a meeting pop up that's with this 00:31:42.600 --> 00:31:42.860 guy. 00:31:43.080 --> 00:31:44.300 Well, actually I didn't realize it was this guy. 00:31:44.320 --> 00:31:45.460 It's just a meeting popped up. 00:31:45.460 --> 00:31:49.700 Um, we, we, and this is, you know, one of Barbara's pet projects and the things that 00:31:49.700 --> 00:31:54.140 she was really excited about with the website launch, she pioneered this idea of doing a 00:31:54.140 --> 00:31:56.960 church planting assessment where there was a series of questions. 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:03.280 And, uh, if you score kind of okay, like there's call to actions and there's, there's steps 00:32:03.280 --> 00:32:04.060 for you to take. 00:32:04.360 --> 00:32:08.620 If you score pretty well, then there's other steps and actions to take. 00:32:08.620 --> 00:32:14.340 And, and if you scored like freaking incredible, um, you know, you're, you're, you know, one 00:32:14.340 --> 00:32:17.540 on one meeting with me at some point and there's, there's a link to schedule that and we can 00:32:17.540 --> 00:32:18.160 talk through it. 00:32:18.560 --> 00:32:24.280 And so by the way, Barbara and, uh, uh, JMO came up with the questions and, and, you know, 00:32:24.280 --> 00:32:24.860 launched that. 00:32:25.360 --> 00:32:30.980 And, uh, and so sure enough, this guy from another country, um, walks into this meeting 00:32:30.980 --> 00:32:35.280 with me and, um, and so I just, you know, started having a conversation. 00:32:35.380 --> 00:32:35.780 Who are you? 00:32:35.800 --> 00:32:36.540 What's going on? 00:32:37.120 --> 00:32:38.260 Oh yeah, you're on discord. 00:32:38.360 --> 00:32:38.820 That's great. 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:39.700 Tell me your story. 00:32:39.800 --> 00:32:41.020 Oh, you're already in the server. 00:32:41.080 --> 00:32:41.560 That's awesome. 00:32:41.600 --> 00:32:42.460 I didn't realize that. 00:32:42.940 --> 00:32:45.020 Um, you know, tell me, tell me who you are. 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:52.360 And, um, his story like literally was the example of the story of the person we worked, 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:53.000 we were targeting. 00:32:53.340 --> 00:33:00.340 Like it was, um, he, uh, we wanted to do a digital church, uh, his, his physical church 00:33:00.340 --> 00:33:02.000 didn't approve, mocked him for it. 00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.120 He was searching on Google, trying to find community. 00:33:05.420 --> 00:33:07.020 He found the church digital. 00:33:07.020 --> 00:33:12.020 One of the videos that I did, cause he was looking up micro sites on YouTube, watch that, 00:33:12.180 --> 00:33:17.720 um, and, uh, woke up and was new of us like for a month was kind of on the outskirts in 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:22.220 the crowd and, uh, and he says he went back to the website, the church digital, you know, 00:33:22.220 --> 00:33:26.280 as he was just searching around and he noticed it was a new website and the website had a 00:33:26.280 --> 00:33:31.480 clearer focus to really target that planting, the community, creating community, uh, in a 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:33.600 network for like a like-minded people. 00:33:34.220 --> 00:33:36.160 And, uh, and that's where he did the assessment. 00:33:36.280 --> 00:33:37.580 He booked the meeting with me same day. 00:33:37.620 --> 00:33:38.460 He jumped in the community. 00:33:38.520 --> 00:33:43.780 Sorry, me like it was, it was the, this is the guy that, that we literally like, I don't 00:33:43.780 --> 00:33:45.320 know, Saddleback calls it Saddleback Sam. 00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:46.600 It's like the target audience. 00:33:46.600 --> 00:33:50.100 It's, it's like the, the, the paradigm, uh, that we aimed. 00:33:50.800 --> 00:33:54.980 And, um, you know, it's like, I sat back, I was like, crap, it worked. 00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:00.420 You know, we, it's like, we, we sacrificed all this stuff to, to really narrow down to who 00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:02.540 do we want to be and who we wanted to be. 00:34:02.580 --> 00:34:03.240 It actually worked. 00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:07.760 And, and he's, he's engaging in community and dialoguing and other people are having meetings 00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:10.920 with him and, and, and it's really, we're connecting with other people. 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.420 And it's like, oh my gosh, like this, this whole digital communications thing can actually 00:34:14.420 --> 00:34:16.540 work when there's intentionality. 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:25.360 Um, it hurts when you have to excuse, but it hurts when you have to cut, but the payoff is 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:25.740 worth it. 00:34:25.740 --> 00:34:25.940 Right. 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:45.800 She is choked up with emotion or something. 00:34:46.660 --> 00:34:49.320 Um, yeah, that, that is so good. 00:34:49.560 --> 00:34:54.800 Um, she is, uh, we're trying to find them and they're praying to find us. 00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:57.200 And that, that was true, uh, with this situation. 00:34:57.200 --> 00:35:01.580 This guy, you know, shared the story of how he was literally Googling, trying to find, and, 00:35:01.620 --> 00:35:07.260 and I've had hundreds of those conversations over the years, I've got some crazy idea. 00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:08.480 My pastor thinks I'm nuts. 00:35:08.580 --> 00:35:10.640 My friends have no idea how to support me. 00:35:10.860 --> 00:35:13.020 My wife's not even sure if like, this is legit. 00:35:13.580 --> 00:35:17.460 Um, you know, and, and hundreds, uh, hundreds of calls ago was like, that's a great idea. 00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:18.320 You should totally try it. 00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:20.820 Now it's like, Hey, that's a great idea. 00:35:20.860 --> 00:35:22.660 I know three people that are doing something similar. 00:35:22.740 --> 00:35:23.540 Would you like to meet them? 00:35:24.160 --> 00:35:30.680 And so it's, um, it's, it's interesting to see how the, you know, the crazies are getting 00:35:30.680 --> 00:35:34.420 validated and, uh, and God's kind of making those some connections in place. 00:35:34.420 --> 00:35:38.640 And, you know, Jeff, there's, um, there's power in speaking their language. 00:35:38.640 --> 00:35:42.520 We have to acknowledge that we're all looking for that. 00:35:43.300 --> 00:35:49.180 We're all looking for people that are speaking our language, uh, and, uh, there's, there's 00:35:49.180 --> 00:35:55.500 so much power in being clear with the language that we're utilizing because that's the first 00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:57.760 thing they will, they will connect with. 00:35:58.160 --> 00:36:05.420 Uh, and so I was telling you, like, there are people out there praying that something like 00:36:05.420 --> 00:36:06.600 TCD exists. 00:36:06.600 --> 00:36:11.260 And so there's people out there praying that there's something like the church that you want 00:36:11.260 --> 00:36:11.780 to plant. 00:36:12.740 --> 00:36:13.980 They're praying about it. 00:36:13.980 --> 00:36:22.800 They're asking God to help them find an expression of faith or church like that. 00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:28.040 And, uh, God has placed that desire in you, has placed that desire in your, in your, in 00:36:28.040 --> 00:36:28.560 your spirit. 00:36:29.220 --> 00:36:31.800 And so he's going to equip you to do it. 00:36:31.900 --> 00:36:38.080 Now, imagine if you have a, um, you know, we, okay, I'm going to, again, I'm going to 00:36:38.080 --> 00:36:38.780 go back to food. 00:36:38.820 --> 00:36:38.980 Yeah. 00:36:39.180 --> 00:36:41.020 We used to have this restaurant in Annapolis. 00:36:41.120 --> 00:36:42.400 I may be still there. 00:36:42.740 --> 00:36:45.100 Uh, and they sell Thai food and donuts. 00:36:45.600 --> 00:36:50.920 Now, when you think of those two together, it's like, that's not a common connection, right? 00:36:51.220 --> 00:36:53.440 And so, first of all, here's my assumption. 00:36:53.660 --> 00:36:55.860 They're neither good at Thai food or donuts. 00:36:56.040 --> 00:36:57.640 And it was the best donuts in town. 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.020 I just never figured it out. 00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:02.820 Why? 00:37:03.180 --> 00:37:07.640 Because in my mind, I would not look for that when I was looking for donuts. 00:37:07.980 --> 00:37:13.480 And I would not assume that that was a place for donuts because there's a, there's a mix 00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:16.380 and match of things that just does, they just don't go together. 00:37:16.860 --> 00:37:20.440 Uh, and, um, for real, they were the best donuts in town. 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:24.760 And I lived in Annapolis for several years and never knew about it until we're about to 00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:25.120 leave. 00:37:25.240 --> 00:37:29.520 And so it was like, how come it never occurred to me to even try? 00:37:29.940 --> 00:37:33.460 Like, I'm not saying like, you know, but it didn't occur for me to even try. 00:37:33.540 --> 00:37:42.800 So when people are looking for what they need and your message is Thai food and donuts, they 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.600 won't trust the Thai food or the donuts. 00:37:46.600 --> 00:37:52.220 And you have to remember that be as clear as you can, as much as you can. 00:37:52.600 --> 00:37:58.600 And I said this and I repeated like nobody has ever narrowed down too much. 00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:00.920 Uh, you know what? 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.020 That is something I, I want, I want you to, to speak to that. 00:38:04.240 --> 00:38:07.980 That was, um, impactful for me. 00:38:09.080 --> 00:38:14.060 Um, I, my, my initial reaction to that was that's a pile of crap. 00:38:14.420 --> 00:38:17.800 Um, and, but I, I really, I really had to, I'm just gonna be honest. 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:23.920 Like I had to really internalize that and wrestle with it, you know, and there's even in digital 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.540 communication, you try to reach everybody. 00:38:26.540 --> 00:38:30.360 You reach nobody when you only try to reach a certain person, you reach a ton of them. 00:38:31.100 --> 00:38:34.720 And so it's like, I know that principle, but it really is. 00:38:34.780 --> 00:38:41.460 It's, it's, it's the weight of, okay, I'm going to have to cut off, um, by, by focusing 00:38:41.460 --> 00:38:43.620 in, uh, I'm letting go. 00:38:44.160 --> 00:38:50.440 And so when, when, when you're like, you know, nobody, nobody niches down, nobody targets 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.300 down, uh, nobody's disappointed by that. 00:38:53.300 --> 00:38:54.320 It's like, oh my gosh. 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:58.620 Like, cause that's, cause it's, it's, it's, it's the, it's the price of, of releasing. 00:38:58.620 --> 00:39:02.260 It's, it's the trust of, okay, there's going to be something better. 00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:06.560 Um, I have to do, I have to release in order to receive. 00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:09.000 Um, that's hard. 00:39:09.160 --> 00:39:14.220 Like that is not something that, that is easy for, especially in established organizations. 00:39:14.220 --> 00:39:17.000 Like planters would have an easier problem with that. 00:39:17.020 --> 00:39:17.820 An established church. 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:19.060 Oh yeah, no, no, no. 00:39:19.080 --> 00:39:19.660 This will work. 00:39:19.660 --> 00:39:20.700 Like we try to reach everybody. 00:39:20.700 --> 00:39:21.600 We just do it digitally. 00:39:21.640 --> 00:39:22.280 We'll do it on Facebook. 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:22.780 No problem. 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:24.960 Uh, but it doesn't, it doesn't work. 00:39:25.380 --> 00:39:30.380 And so like, talk about that and talk about maybe the cost of, of what it feels like to, 00:39:30.380 --> 00:39:32.420 to let go and dealing with that. 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:39.680 So let's talk about costs because, uh, we think that the cost is when we say no, but the real 00:39:39.680 --> 00:39:41.420 cost is when we say yes. 00:39:41.620 --> 00:39:47.620 So if I say no to one thing, I'm saying no to one thing, but if I'm saying yes to one 00:39:47.620 --> 00:39:49.840 thing, I'm saying no to 10 things. 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:50.860 Does that make sense? 00:39:51.500 --> 00:39:56.400 Every yes you say is a no to a bunch of other things. 00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:02.120 And so I had to, I had to go through that process myself as well of thinking every yes, I say, 00:40:02.220 --> 00:40:03.780 okay, yeah, I'm going to serve that group. 00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:04.100 Oh yeah. 00:40:04.100 --> 00:40:05.280 I'm going to serve that group. 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:05.560 Oh yeah. 00:40:05.560 --> 00:40:06.700 I'm going to do that thing. 00:40:07.160 --> 00:40:12.900 Every yes that I'm saying, there's no's that automatically are created because of when I'm 00:40:12.900 --> 00:40:15.320 doing this, I can't do those other 10 things. 00:40:15.680 --> 00:40:18.740 And so every yes is actually more no's. 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:25.940 So, uh, I, that was a moment of freedom that gave me permission to continue to be as narrow 00:40:25.940 --> 00:40:27.320 as I possibly could. 00:40:27.700 --> 00:40:33.900 Now, um, this, this idea of being narrow will also create a new concept, which is the idea 00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:35.660 of being viral for you. 00:40:36.640 --> 00:40:38.340 Everybody thinks we need to be viral. 00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:39.440 We need to be big. 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:40.460 We need to be gigantic. 00:40:40.540 --> 00:40:41.560 We need to be expanding. 00:40:41.620 --> 00:40:44.260 We need to be like, yes, growth is good. 00:40:44.260 --> 00:40:47.300 I believe God is the one that takes care of that growth. 00:40:47.700 --> 00:40:53.860 What I need you to do is say, I'm going to be so visible in a group of people that nobody 00:40:53.860 --> 00:40:55.600 will ever say, I didn't hear about you. 00:40:55.660 --> 00:40:56.700 I didn't know about you. 00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:04.540 And so it's viral for you viral in a small, a smaller setting than out in the world. 00:41:04.540 --> 00:41:07.400 Because if you're trying to be everything for everybody, you're basically going to have 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:08.980 to be visible in different places. 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:14.460 But if you're trying to be visible for a group of people, you can become more known 00:41:14.460 --> 00:41:18.880 and visible to that group without having to worry about the rest. 00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:22.580 And so you can become viral within a small setting. 00:41:23.020 --> 00:41:27.040 But the other example is, again, my kids give me so many examples. 00:41:27.220 --> 00:41:27.680 Chuck E. Cheese. 00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:28.960 You guys have been to Chuck E. Cheese? 00:41:29.520 --> 00:41:35.000 And you have that machine where they basically put the kid inside and they fly all those tickets 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.660 and the kid has to grab as many tickets as they can. 00:41:38.060 --> 00:41:38.200 Okay. 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:39.700 What do kids do? 00:41:40.220 --> 00:41:42.400 They try to catch all the tickets they can. 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:48.780 And all I'm thinking is like, dude, stop, see the flow of wind and put your hands like this. 00:41:49.420 --> 00:41:51.600 It's like, just see how the tickets are rotating. 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:52.920 Stop right there. 00:41:53.080 --> 00:41:53.740 Put your hands. 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.000 And then when they come, you grab a bunch at once. 00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:56.280 Right. 00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:03.560 And so this sense of lack of movement at times is what we cannot handle. 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:11.320 Because when you're narrow, you're going to be doing less and most people can't handle that. 00:42:12.640 --> 00:42:15.800 Because we're so like, we got to run, we got to grab, we got to. 00:42:16.120 --> 00:42:20.040 And so you're trying, but then the kid comes out and is like, well, I grabbed five tickets. 00:42:20.200 --> 00:42:26.740 Well, yeah, because your effort to reach one made you lose the next one and made you lose the next one. 00:42:26.740 --> 00:42:37.260 Where if you stop and you were visible in that one place that God has designed for you, he will move the wind to bring the tickets to you. 00:42:38.260 --> 00:42:38.900 That's it. 00:42:38.900 --> 00:42:38.980 Wow. 00:42:39.120 --> 00:42:40.000 That's a lot of faith. 00:42:40.120 --> 00:42:40.540 That's it. 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.060 And that's what we're seeing. 00:42:43.140 --> 00:42:43.720 That's powerful stuff. 00:42:43.780 --> 00:42:49.120 We're seeing God bring to us the people that need the very thing that you've developed. 00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:51.220 And so there is a need. 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:53.300 God knows about that need. 00:42:53.420 --> 00:42:54.780 He's answering that need. 00:42:54.780 --> 00:42:58.800 But we're simply saying we're not going to leave our spot. 00:42:59.060 --> 00:43:07.600 We're going to stay right here on this lane so that we can be visible to this group faster than we would normally be visible to them. 00:43:08.240 --> 00:43:10.360 Man, it's just so much right there. 00:43:10.500 --> 00:43:11.200 How do we? 00:43:11.640 --> 00:43:16.620 So let me add one more thing that I think could, again, we need to take this to the practical side of things. 00:43:16.620 --> 00:43:20.120 Because it's like, okay, Barbara, great concepts, but how do we actually do those things? 00:43:20.120 --> 00:43:25.920 It's like, and so here's what I have found to be true is that I can only control a few things. 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.460 I cannot control the growth. 00:43:27.680 --> 00:43:36.780 I cannot control what people do, but I can control where I'm visible, how I'm visible, and how frequently I'm visible. 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:41.340 I can say, hey, I'm going to show up on Discord. 00:43:42.660 --> 00:43:46.960 I'm going to show up as a person of peace, and I'm going to show up frequently. 00:43:47.640 --> 00:43:48.980 I'm going to show up every week. 00:43:49.040 --> 00:43:50.420 I'm going to show up every day. 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:52.220 I'm going to show up once, whatever. 00:43:52.580 --> 00:43:59.340 So you can control these three things, where you show up, how you show up, and how frequently you show up. 00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:07.800 And so I cannot be in 25 platforms at once the same way that I can be in one or two. 00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:16.900 I also should have clarity on who I am when I show up in those groups. 00:44:16.900 --> 00:44:23.280 So for me, I want to be the person that reveals the heartbeat of the people around me. 00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:25.840 That's kind of like the movement behind me. 00:44:25.900 --> 00:44:28.780 It's like I want to be the person that reveals the heartbeat. 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.040 Like I want to be able to see it and bring it to the surface. 00:44:31.660 --> 00:44:37.760 So when you think of your ministry, what do you want people to see in you? 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:38.940 What do you want them to see? 00:44:39.080 --> 00:44:41.360 What's the story you want them to tell about you? 00:44:41.700 --> 00:44:47.440 And all you have to do is you show up where they are as that person as frequently as you can. 00:44:48.340 --> 00:44:49.720 Those are the things you can control. 00:44:50.540 --> 00:44:55.760 It's interesting because you're recognizing that different platforms have different target audiences. 00:44:56.180 --> 00:45:02.140 And as you're engaging with those platforms, it's not omni-channel where you're just broadcasting the same thing across all of them. 00:45:02.140 --> 00:45:17.340 It's more targeted communications and so targeted communications, you're more intentionally focused on your message and what you're presenting at that time on that platform versus how you're represented in other platforms and moving forward. 00:45:18.740 --> 00:45:19.540 You know, it's interesting. 00:45:19.740 --> 00:45:26.940 Like that concept, that's actually, you know, Seth Godin wrote a book like Quitter or Loser or something back in the day. 00:45:26.940 --> 00:45:39.680 It's a really small book, but actually I read that when I was running a Christian bookstore at the time and I read that book and I was like, all right, I need to shut down my business. 00:45:40.140 --> 00:45:55.500 Like it was like just this complete focus, the shift of the book because it was, I mean, basically the premise of the book is if you're not the best at what you do, then you need to find what you're the best at and go do that because everything else is going to be a distraction. 00:45:55.500 --> 00:46:17.480 And, you know, and this book was like 2007, but he was talking about how like in digital space, it's such a niche focus that unless you're standing out, that going back to your big fish in a small pond versus a small fish in a big pond, like that's how you're going to connect. 00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:33.700 Um, you know, I remember I did when I first cast vision to some of my friends for the church digital, um, I, I said, um, I said to a guy named, he was an executive pastor of the church I used to work at and that he wasn't there anymore either. 00:46:34.120 --> 00:46:36.700 But I cast vision to, you know, church digital, what are you doing? 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:43.240 I was like, oh no, I want to help, you know, every church, you know, understand digital strategy or some, some vague, something like that. 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.240 And, uh, he, he was like, Jeff, there's 300,000 churches. 00:46:47.300 --> 00:46:48.040 And I was like, yeah, sure. 00:46:48.080 --> 00:46:48.800 That's, that's the vision. 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:51.220 And he's like, it was so funny. 00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:52.440 It wasn't Jeff. 00:46:52.500 --> 00:46:53.300 That's not achievable. 00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:53.600 Jeff. 00:46:53.660 --> 00:46:54.300 That's not Jeff. 00:46:54.340 --> 00:46:57.400 You know, like he didn't, he says, Jeff, honestly, that just sounds boring. 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:03.980 And I was like, what do you, what do you, what do you mean? 00:47:04.040 --> 00:47:05.180 And it's really started to unpack. 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.760 It's like, no, Jeff, if you're going to, if you're going to stand out, it's not everybody. 00:47:09.520 --> 00:47:12.660 It's, it's, it's somebody in it, in its individuals. 00:47:12.660 --> 00:47:22.500 And that really, that was the early birth and been involved in like movements, international movements overseas and, and, uh, you know, really seeing God, God move. 00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:27.440 And it was, was much more about an individual than, than, than something in mass. 00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:33.980 And, and really when I look at some of these movements digitally, it's the, it's the, it's the guys like Mark that are like, Hey, I'm reaching gamers. 00:47:34.040 --> 00:47:37.380 And when grandma comes along, that's great, but I'm not targeting grandma. 00:47:37.680 --> 00:47:39.240 I'm re I'm reaching gamers. 00:47:39.240 --> 00:47:43.300 And when the gamer's wife comes along, that's great, but I'm really targeting gamers. 00:47:43.900 --> 00:47:48.640 And, um, and, and like, those are the guys and the gals that are successful right now. 00:47:48.640 --> 00:47:52.400 The ones, at least in planting, the ones that are, are targeted towards that. 00:47:52.900 --> 00:48:04.900 And, and honestly, like that's been a really difficult pill for the established church to swallow because they're so used to, well, we just want to, you know, get the extra 20% digitally of what we're already doing physically. 00:48:05.660 --> 00:48:12.200 Um, you know, put the stream on Facebook and we'll engage with people and that will work to some level. 00:48:12.200 --> 00:48:17.180 But the amount of energy that you're putting in that compared to, you know, it's something more targeted. 00:48:17.740 --> 00:48:22.260 Like it's just difficult to get an established church to maybe understand some of these principles. 00:48:22.700 --> 00:48:22.900 It is. 00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:23.460 It's shifting. 00:48:23.620 --> 00:48:24.220 It's a Titanic. 00:48:26.060 --> 00:48:27.960 Oh, that's interesting dynamic right there. 00:48:28.040 --> 00:48:32.040 The Titanic, um, stay away from the iceberg that that's looming. 00:48:32.300 --> 00:48:32.900 That's, that's interesting. 00:48:33.540 --> 00:48:42.160 One of the things, you know, that, that you've been, and I just want to even touch base on this a little bit as my insurance company calls me to talk with me again. 00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:54.840 Um, one of the things that I would love to, to talk with you about, um, you know, one of the things that we're talking about as an organization is, is funding and, and fundraising. 00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:07.220 And that was actually a meeting that we had this morning and Barbara, you were very, um, impassioned, uh, about, uh, some of the, the challenges and opportunities for that. 00:49:07.820 --> 00:49:17.420 And, you know, it's interesting organizationally, as we're trying to deal with funding, I know at the planning level, every planter we talk with is, is dealing with the same funding issues. 00:49:17.420 --> 00:49:28.240 And, and, you know, part, part of me is, uh, as the, you know, a guy that's kind of helping with this movement and working with a lot of our plot of planters is, man, I'd love to figure out even. 00:49:29.220 --> 00:49:31.080 How to like solve the problem for everybody. 00:49:31.240 --> 00:49:37.480 I don't know if that's officially my problem and that's something I'm praying about, but that's like part of me as the, Hey, I want to make everybody happy as well. 00:49:37.560 --> 00:49:38.880 Let's, let's not solve it just for us. 00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:39.620 Let's solve it for everybody. 00:49:39.680 --> 00:49:40.360 What do we need to do? 00:49:41.040 --> 00:49:46.120 Um, but you know, you, you really had some interesting perspectives talking about funding. 00:49:46.120 --> 00:49:51.940 And so, man, I would love to get some of, some of that insight from you right now, because so many of the people listening to this are dealing with the same things. 00:49:51.940 --> 00:49:55.820 I want to start with a concept that has to do with your movement. 00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:59.800 I believe everybody has a movement in them, uh, especially ministries. 00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:05.000 Like if God has placed, um, a desire in your heart, it's a movement that he's planted. 00:50:05.260 --> 00:50:10.720 And so, um, that movement in itself is designed to move, right? 00:50:10.780 --> 00:50:15.200 It's designed to grow and expand and, and cause something beyond yourself. 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:21.040 And so you, you may be the recipient of that idea, but it's supposed to go beyond you. 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:25.020 And some of us don't know how to, how to make that movement portable. 00:50:26.040 --> 00:50:29.300 And, uh, I think one of the, there's two pieces. 00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:31.020 One is language and one is clarity. 00:50:31.140 --> 00:50:33.960 So I have to have clarity on what this movement is. 00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:37.220 And I need to have language attached to it that makes it portable. 00:50:37.300 --> 00:50:42.380 And so when I say, Hey, we're going to validate churches and digital spaces. 00:50:43.200 --> 00:51:00.560 Um, Jeff is not the only person that can do it because other people can embrace that vision and they can do it in different settings, in different times, in different platforms, in different ways that will extend this movement of validating churches and digital spaces. 00:51:00.560 --> 00:51:04.060 And so you, we need to make our movements portable. 00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:07.900 The ages of vision and mission statements, I think is behind us. 00:51:07.900 --> 00:51:08.440 Those are good. 00:51:08.540 --> 00:51:08.940 Do them. 00:51:09.060 --> 00:51:09.580 It helps. 00:51:09.900 --> 00:51:13.780 But we need to start putting together language that is easy to move. 00:51:13.900 --> 00:51:16.700 It needs to move fast and easy. 00:51:16.900 --> 00:51:30.860 And so why, because even in your fundraising, even in your growing of your team, even in your, whatever kind of expansion, you will, you will depend on people that want to live out that same movement. 00:51:31.460 --> 00:51:39.420 And so people that will fund you will fund you because they want to be a part of something and we have to give them the language for it. 00:51:39.720 --> 00:51:41.080 Uh, you will exhaust your friends. 00:51:41.080 --> 00:51:46.340 If you're just asking for money to get your ministry going, like that's going to be exhausted very fast. 00:51:46.720 --> 00:51:57.980 But if you have people, if you give them clarity about what you're doing, uh, they can then join you because there's clarity on what they are doing, what their money is achieving. 00:51:58.160 --> 00:52:05.040 And so I think we need to start there, clarify what your movement is, put language to it. 00:52:05.060 --> 00:52:05.840 That is simple. 00:52:06.100 --> 00:52:10.920 A 10 year old could understand the idea of validating churches and digital spaces. 00:52:11.720 --> 00:52:12.200 Yeah. 00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:17.980 So somebody young could actually be like, yeah, I want to be a part of that. 00:52:17.980 --> 00:52:18.440 Right. 00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:20.220 So it's portable. 00:52:20.500 --> 00:52:22.460 Your language has to be portable. 00:52:22.620 --> 00:52:24.080 Your message has to be portable. 00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:36.080 Um, and then when, when I think of specifically fundraising, uh, first of all, it will be based on vision casting. 00:52:36.080 --> 00:52:38.820 Like you have to cast vision for something. 00:52:39.100 --> 00:52:41.440 And sometimes we don't know how to cast vision. 00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:50.680 And, and the, the, the, um, a lot of the ideas behind vision casting are missing a great component of just storytelling. 00:52:51.140 --> 00:52:56.400 And so when I cast vision for something, our brains are wired from storytelling. 00:52:56.400 --> 00:53:02.400 We need to tell what is the A, what is the B and how are we moving people from A to B? 00:53:02.740 --> 00:53:13.760 The church digital has a specific role of moving people from running alone, trying to create a church and digital spaces to actually doing it and not alone. 00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:31.320 And so if I can help, if I can communicate that, Hey, we're validating their visions, we're resourcing them and we're moving them from operating alone, trying to figure things out to actually doing it with a community of people supporting them. 00:53:31.700 --> 00:53:35.000 Now you're telling a story, a story of transformation from A to B. 00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:41.600 People will connect emotionally, by the way, money moves through emotions. 00:53:41.740 --> 00:53:41.860 Yeah. 00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:45.820 So all of our purchases and donations are done from an emotional standpoint. 00:53:46.180 --> 00:53:48.560 And so I need to attach a story to it. 00:53:48.640 --> 00:53:55.220 I think there's also, there's, there's a lot of challenge it to, um, I mean, when you say portable, it's interesting. 00:53:55.340 --> 00:53:56.740 Like, I almost want to unpack that word. 00:53:56.860 --> 00:53:58.080 What, what, what that means. 00:53:58.080 --> 00:54:05.000 Like, is that, um, like multiplying, getting others to own the vision, getting it, you know, not beyond just me. 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:11.380 Like I, you know, I know, you know, flat caps in here and, you know, I, I can remember times where, you know, I was like, Hey, this is something I want to do. 00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:12.660 And flat caps, like, no, you don't. 00:54:12.720 --> 00:54:14.000 That goes against everything you believe. 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:15.980 And it tells me my own words back at me. 00:54:15.980 --> 00:54:16.120 Why? 00:54:16.160 --> 00:54:17.100 That's a stupid idea. 00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:25.220 You know, you know, Barbara, you eloquently describing, you know, some of the, the, the ideas better than I can, you know? 00:54:25.220 --> 00:54:30.600 Like that's, that's an idea of portable that's multiplying that's, that's bringing along. 00:54:31.080 --> 00:54:33.060 Um, and really like that's, it's interesting. 00:54:33.100 --> 00:54:34.380 I was just watching a Ted video. 00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:39.460 I put a Ted video in, in one of the discord channels with our, our movement leaders just recently. 00:54:39.460 --> 00:54:53.680 And it's, it's the, um, I forget what it's called, but it's the one, you know, I'll put it in the show notes too, but it's the one with, um, the crazies, the guy, the three guys dancing at the con at the concert where it's like one guy's the movement leader and he's doing whatever he wants. 00:54:53.680 --> 00:54:58.480 Uh, but nobody, nobody goes until, you know, the second guy joins him. 00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:06.460 And, and really like the first guy being the leader, the movement leader, but it's really that number two guy that starts to bring everybody. 00:55:06.460 --> 00:55:09.920 Number two comes on and then number three joins number two. 00:55:10.020 --> 00:55:12.260 And when number three joins, then it's, it's pandemonium. 00:55:12.260 --> 00:55:23.000 Like the crowd breaks out and everybody starts dancing, you know, and it's, it's that the first guy being an idiot, um, is one thing, but the second guy being strong enough to be an idiot with the first guy. 00:55:23.240 --> 00:55:27.240 Like in some ways that number two is, is really the, the movement maker. 00:55:27.240 --> 00:55:28.840 The first guy is just the visionary. 00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:40.180 Um, and you know, so often when I talk with digital churches, it's, they don't have, uh, like it's, it's them on their own, you know, just investing and working hard. 00:55:40.180 --> 00:55:47.560 Like, uh, you know, talking about Mark, Mark, Mark early on connected with Andy, Mark and Mark was actually really good from day one. 00:55:47.560 --> 00:55:51.400 Like I just working with him of, Hey, I, this isn't going to be alone. 00:55:51.820 --> 00:55:55.060 You know, we even see, even with me, I don't want this to be Jeffrey.com. 00:55:55.180 --> 00:55:57.160 I want the church digital to be bigger and better. 00:55:57.160 --> 00:56:02.320 And let me tell you, like the team that, the team that we've got now, like this blows me away. 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.880 Like there's, they're doing stuff I can't do. 00:56:05.380 --> 00:56:11.320 Uh, and so, but it's, it's seeing, um, the ideas mature beyond. 00:56:12.080 --> 00:56:20.200 And then all of a sudden, like you're, you're doing things beyond just you, which to me, I think is more attractive to people more than the friends. 00:56:20.200 --> 00:56:28.340 Like if I'm just doing a bunch of stuff for me, I'm going to the friends and trying to, to get the nickels and dimes and 25 bucks a month and doing that. 00:56:29.160 --> 00:56:32.000 Um, my, yeah. 00:56:32.300 --> 00:56:40.720 And my, my hope is by making it bigger than you, um, then the opportunities start to become that, that are bigger than that. 00:56:40.720 --> 00:56:49.600 You know, I think God, um, rewards the diligence of, of the discipleship of the multiplication of the portability of this. 00:56:49.660 --> 00:56:50.720 God, God, God moves. 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:51.880 God is not a stale God. 00:56:52.240 --> 00:56:58.040 You know, if you look at the old Testament, the new Testament, it's a story of God moving and growing and expanding. 00:56:58.040 --> 00:57:01.080 It's, it's not, Hey God, you know, I'm just going to stay here in the garden of Eden. 00:57:01.380 --> 00:57:03.940 We're going to hang out here in perfectness. 00:57:03.940 --> 00:57:05.300 And so I, I love this. 00:57:05.780 --> 00:57:12.860 I don't use the word portable like the, you do, um, but you've said it multiple times. 00:57:12.860 --> 00:57:19.740 And then now I'm like, maybe I need to pick it up because I do think it, it describes something different than multiplication. 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:21.900 Cause I was thinking, Oh, she means multiplication. 00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:25.500 I need to get her to say multiplication, but it's like, no portability. 00:57:25.500 --> 00:57:26.560 It's, it is different. 00:57:26.560 --> 00:57:29.320 There, there is, there is a multiplication is, is the discipleship. 00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:30.860 This is a little more than discipleship. 00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:32.240 It's a little different than discipleship. 00:57:32.260 --> 00:57:35.200 I don't know what it's for, but we can nuance that all day long. 00:57:35.200 --> 00:57:37.800 I don't know that that's probably the best point for today. 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.000 So, Hey, listen, you are doing, uh, a learning community through the church digital. 00:57:42.160 --> 00:57:46.620 I, I, I talked about this up in the, in the introduction, but the church digital is doing 00:57:46.620 --> 00:57:49.300 five different learning communities, um, this summer. 00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:52.220 Um, one is going to be on church communications. 00:57:52.220 --> 00:57:57.840 And so why don't you take a moment here and just share with us a little bit what the learning 00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:01.280 community is going to look like and, and, um, give people some detail. 00:58:01.420 --> 00:58:07.240 So it's, uh, we start very similar to this type of foundational pieces that I'm talking 00:58:07.240 --> 00:58:07.540 about. 00:58:07.540 --> 00:58:09.640 So understanding who can you serve? 00:58:09.640 --> 00:58:15.100 Well, who you are, your, your own DNA as a ministry, uh, capture your movement, give 00:58:15.100 --> 00:58:20.920 it some language, uh, and then you can build communication plans based on that. 00:58:21.060 --> 00:58:25.660 So if there's another COVID that comes, another platform that starts, another TikTok that goes 00:58:25.660 --> 00:58:29.760 away, your strategy will remain like your vision will remain. 00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:31.580 It will just take a different shape. 00:58:31.580 --> 00:58:36.600 And so instead of building a plan that is just like, okay, here's a bunch of tactics that 00:58:36.600 --> 00:58:37.420 we have to communicate. 00:58:37.640 --> 00:58:40.960 I want you to have a foundation that basically says, this is who we are. 00:58:41.260 --> 00:58:42.660 This is who we speak to. 00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:45.340 And this is how much of a gap is there between us. 00:58:45.640 --> 00:58:47.740 Everything else will kind of build from that. 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:53.580 So we'll equip you to basically know how to create your communication independent of your 00:58:53.580 --> 00:58:55.880 size of how much you multiply versus not. 00:58:55.880 --> 00:59:01.220 Like it would just equip you to do that anytime at any stage of your, of your ministry. 00:59:01.720 --> 00:59:02.020 Love it. 00:59:02.120 --> 00:59:06.600 Is it more aimed at, um, physical churches, more at planters? 00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:11.160 I know we've got a mixed bag here, but what you're either when it's, it's still communication, 00:59:11.160 --> 00:59:12.840 regardless of other principles. 00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:13.800 That's, that's good stuff. 00:59:13.900 --> 00:59:14.820 We're just thinking ministry. 00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:21.580 So, uh, I think there is, uh, if some of, some of the things are easier to understand 00:59:21.580 --> 00:59:24.500 if you are already have something in place. 00:59:25.200 --> 00:59:30.500 Um, but, uh, because some of the questions like, uh, you will be more in the guesstimation 00:59:30.500 --> 00:59:31.620 side of things, right? 00:59:31.620 --> 00:59:34.160 So when I'm asking you like, okay, who are you serving? 00:59:34.160 --> 00:59:35.780 And you're just kind of starting. 00:59:35.980 --> 00:59:41.160 You may not have a lot of data, but I, I'll enable you to basically say, okay, I'm going 00:59:41.160 --> 00:59:48.420 to create some, uh, avenues to allow data to come to me as I, as I reach, uh, my audience 00:59:48.420 --> 00:59:48.880 out there. 00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:50.800 So, um, I would say ministry. 00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:55.200 So it's specifically designed for ministries, how it's expressed. 00:59:55.200 --> 00:59:55.900 It's up to you. 00:59:56.320 --> 01:00:00.320 You can have it as a home church, as a big church, as a whatever. 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:06.400 Flat caps asking, um, in, in chat, non-profits, uh, non-profit ministries, I would suggest 01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:10.340 something Christ-based, you know, I, I think we, we can, we can speak to and address. 01:00:10.460 --> 01:00:16.040 And so, yeah, like, I think there's opportunities to really sit down and, and address the communications, 01:00:16.040 --> 01:00:18.020 uh, challenges. 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:24.140 Um, you know, I, it's being, you know, into this with Barbara, I, I've, at a personal level, 01:00:24.140 --> 01:00:28.660 I trust her intimately, you know, ex, uh, exquisitely, like it's been a great relationship. 01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.900 Um, Barbara has challenged me. 01:00:31.900 --> 01:00:38.740 She's made me better, um, as, as a, as a leader, um, and the organization, you know, I, I said 01:00:38.740 --> 01:00:43.340 this at some point, like, I, I can definitely tell you the value of Barbara because I know 01:00:43.340 --> 01:00:49.780 how much we struggled in, in communications and alignment and envision before, and she came 01:00:49.780 --> 01:00:53.460 on and she righted the ship and, uh, things have been, been flying. 01:00:54.180 --> 01:00:58.940 Um, you know, I mean, to be honest, the challenge of 2024 and beyond is, you know, us keeping 01:00:58.940 --> 01:01:05.380 up, um, with some of the opportunities it's, it's, we went, you know, this is the challenge. 01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:08.740 You go more narrow and you're like, oh, this is going to be less, but less ends up being 01:01:08.740 --> 01:01:12.800 more in the opportunities of going narrow, because now you're the big fish in the small 01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:15.560 pond and people are looking for small ponds and are looking for big ponds. 01:01:16.060 --> 01:01:17.940 Uh, Sears Robach is dead. 01:01:18.460 --> 01:01:21.700 Like, you know, you can go to a mall and malls are declining. 01:01:21.700 --> 01:01:24.740 Like it's, it's not somewhere where I can get everything. 01:01:25.160 --> 01:01:26.760 It's how do I deal with niche? 01:01:27.200 --> 01:01:31.900 And so, uh, you know, that really, and that hurts because that goes counter-cultural to, 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:33.080 to our physical churches. 01:01:33.900 --> 01:01:39.880 Um, but when you look at, you know, some of our, uh, friends internationally and some of 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:45.780 the lessons they're learning in post-Christian, post-church environments, um, niche is the way 01:01:45.780 --> 01:01:50.980 to go because the buildings, to be honest, you know, in England, those are their museums. 01:01:51.520 --> 01:01:55.100 Um, you know, in some of these, some of these countries, they are, they're shut down. 01:01:55.100 --> 01:02:00.120 Like there's, there's, I tell the stat in, in London, Christmas Eve, 2023, more people 01:02:00.120 --> 01:02:03.300 went to, uh, bars than to church buildings. 01:02:03.540 --> 01:02:09.060 Like that's, that's just the reality of, of where some of our, our friends are internationally. 01:02:09.060 --> 01:02:14.200 And, you know, I believe, you know, I had breakfast with a friend of mine today. 01:02:14.860 --> 01:02:18.800 Um, you know, and I, I get told all the time, Jeff, you're ahead of the curve, Jeff, you're 01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:21.900 ahead of your time, Jeff, you're, you know, we're, we're not there yet. 01:02:21.980 --> 01:02:27.560 And, uh, I do, I do believe, you know, I, I think, I think the idea of, um, what we're 01:02:27.560 --> 01:02:29.340 doing now is, is early. 01:02:30.120 --> 01:02:36.080 Um, but it's to me, you know, and I, Mark, it was funny when we're talking about the three 01:02:36.080 --> 01:02:38.280 idiots dancing, I was idiot. 01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:43.940 Number one, talking about digital church and, uh, and Mark Lutz, Mark Lutz was idiot number 01:02:43.940 --> 01:02:45.400 two with Lux digital church. 01:02:46.080 --> 01:02:50.480 And, uh, and I, I literally, I remember sending him the video and telling you are idiot number 01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:50.860 two. 01:02:51.580 --> 01:02:55.380 Um, and we had, we had idiot number three and we had, had it all scripted out what, what 01:02:55.380 --> 01:03:01.560 the plan was, but it really is, you know, even telling Mark years ago when he started, 01:03:01.560 --> 01:03:04.400 um, Mark, I need you to succeed. 01:03:05.100 --> 01:03:06.980 So the next generation will succeed. 01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:12.260 Like it's, it's, to me, it's, it's not even about getting these, we're talking with a guy 01:03:12.260 --> 01:03:17.140 in Germany, um, Simon, he's been on the podcast and he's one of our movement leaders now. 01:03:17.140 --> 01:03:22.280 And, and he's like, um, he asked, he's like, how many, how many, uh, digital churches are 01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:22.820 there in America? 01:03:23.120 --> 01:03:28.520 And, you know, flat cap was on there and Andy, and they're like, well, we've got three over 01:03:28.520 --> 01:03:32.140 here and five over here and seven doing this. 01:03:32.140 --> 01:03:37.060 And this guy on Facebook and, and I was like, look, it's, it's 50 plus or minus, like, you 01:03:37.060 --> 01:03:38.520 know, there's, and there's stuff going on. 01:03:38.560 --> 01:03:42.340 We don't know about, um, you know, that that's not a, not of our purview. 01:03:43.160 --> 01:03:45.660 And, um, and that's, that's exciting. 01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:48.300 That's pioneering pioneers get shot. 01:03:48.600 --> 01:03:54.040 Um, but it really is about how can we create a model for that next generation? 01:03:54.040 --> 01:03:58.820 How can we make these ideas, you know, Barber's language portable, uh, so that it can be 01:03:58.820 --> 01:04:01.980 carried on and, and, and multiple multiplied throughout. 01:04:02.080 --> 01:04:06.880 What does that vision look like so that it can be reproduced and contextualized because, 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:10.800 um, Mark's going to reach the gamers, but what about the non-gamers? 01:04:11.220 --> 01:04:15.920 Um, and so like, it's bigger than just what Mark is doing or even bigger than what I'm doing. 01:04:16.460 --> 01:04:21.780 And so it's been so exciting, um, to really dig into that with, uh, with Barbara. 01:04:21.780 --> 01:04:27.140 So check out the learning community and, uh, the information is at, uh, the church.digital 01:04:27.140 --> 01:04:30.020 slash learning hyphen communities. 01:04:30.020 --> 01:04:31.600 We'll put that link in the show notes as well. 01:04:31.700 --> 01:04:35.640 The church.digital slash learning hyphen communities. 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:40.760 And, um, you'll see all the little 8-bit characters and information on all five communities. 01:04:41.420 --> 01:04:42.500 Andy's doing one. 01:04:42.580 --> 01:04:43.640 I'm doing one on micro. 01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:47.220 Andy's doing asynchronous, uh, metaverse with Stuart, Stunami. 01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:49.480 Megan was in here in a little bit. 01:04:49.540 --> 01:04:54.880 Megan Carter's doing one on, um, uh, mental health in the church and, uh, digital church 01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:55.980 communications with Barbara. 01:04:55.980 --> 01:04:57.520 And so, yeah, it's been great. 01:04:57.900 --> 01:05:00.400 Hey, Barbara, as we're wrapping up here, any, any closing thoughts? 01:05:00.640 --> 01:05:01.240 That's it, Jeff. 01:05:01.240 --> 01:05:07.220 I'm just excited for what's ahead and, uh, really very, very excited that you danced first, 01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:10.100 that somebody had the chance to do it. 01:05:10.140 --> 01:05:12.300 Yeah, the, the, the courage to do it, you know? 01:05:12.520 --> 01:05:12.740 Yeah. 01:05:12.860 --> 01:05:19.600 Well, it was, uh, courage, yeah, courage, or I got kind of painted into the corner or 01:05:19.600 --> 01:05:20.820 I saw a blue ocean. 01:05:20.820 --> 01:05:22.340 It's like, oh, let's go swim over here. 01:05:22.420 --> 01:05:24.560 And, uh, there were no sharks in the blue ocean. 01:05:24.700 --> 01:05:28.020 And so I kind of stayed, but, uh, it definitely is fun. 01:05:28.100 --> 01:05:31.360 I've got, you know, it's, it's, uh, I'll, I'll show this off because, you know, Barbara 01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:33.020 was, uh, actually sent this to me. 01:05:33.520 --> 01:05:35.020 I've, I've got a mug here. 01:05:35.140 --> 01:05:39.800 She sent this to me maybe nine, 10 months ago last year when we first started talking 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:44.880 and, and, uh, it's custom mug, I think, but it's says the godfather of, uh, digital 01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:45.300 churches. 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:51.420 And I've kind of just have kept that on my desk next to my, um, my retro, the church digital 01:05:51.420 --> 01:05:54.240 mug, we don't have the current, but so I just, I keep that. 01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:56.620 It's got like knickknacks and tools and crap in it. 01:05:56.620 --> 01:06:00.200 But, um, um, yeah, listen, it's, it's exciting. 01:06:00.560 --> 01:06:05.600 Um, it, as you're hanging out in discord, if you're not on discord, the, uh, discord.thechurch.digital 01:06:05.600 --> 01:06:10.560 come over, um, as we're seeing the energy and engagement and meeting people and seeing 01:06:10.560 --> 01:06:17.140 real connection, real conversations in a digital community and really starting to define what 01:06:17.140 --> 01:06:20.000 a digital discipleship community can look like. 01:06:20.080 --> 01:06:20.720 Oh my gosh. 01:06:20.720 --> 01:06:24.940 It's so exciting to even dream some of the stuff we're talking about now for the future. 01:06:24.940 --> 01:06:29.100 And by the future, I mean the next three months, the next six months. 01:06:29.460 --> 01:06:32.620 Um, I believe God's going to do something great as a result of this. 01:06:32.620 --> 01:06:34.280 So, Hey, we're going to land the plane. 01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:36.260 Barbara, uh, thank you for what you do at the church digital. 01:06:36.260 --> 01:06:38.280 Check out the learning community audience at home. 01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:41.780 Uh, uh, miss, uh, Prisana Blackcap. 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:46.580 Thank you for being here on, on the stream with us and everybody else. 01:06:46.640 --> 01:06:47.320 Thanks for hanging out. 01:06:47.720 --> 01:06:49.900 Um, we do these occasionally on discord. 01:06:49.900 --> 01:06:54.820 So the church.digital slash discord and get more information on live podcasts and open 01:06:54.820 --> 01:06:58.320 offices and conversations and all the goofy stuff that we're doing here in the community. 01:06:58.420 --> 01:07:02.520 So come hang out with us, open your web browser discord.thechurch.digital, and that'll get 01:07:02.520 --> 01:07:02.760 you there. 01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:03.380 All right. 01:07:03.520 --> 01:07:05.480 For Barbara, this is Jeff with the church digital. 01:07:05.620 --> 01:07:06.720 Thanks for hanging out with us. 01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:07.680 We'll see you next time on the show. 01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:08.900 Have a good one.