WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.940 Is there anything that actually the traditional church can look at these expressions, not just the bar, but any others and say, holy, hold on. 00:00:08.280 --> 00:00:14.160 Is there something that can help us engage people where they are in our buildings, in our church? Because this is not exclusive. 00:00:14.900 --> 00:00:16.680 Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. 00:00:17.680 --> 00:00:21.500 Through this podcast, we'll talk about the technological innovations within the church. 00:00:21.820 --> 00:00:25.320 But more than tech for tech itself, we'll address deeper questions. 00:00:26.020 --> 00:00:27.560 Is disciple-making possible digitally? 00:00:27.980 --> 00:00:30.020 How should we approach the digital mission field? 00:00:30.300 --> 00:00:32.880 Can a biblically grounded church operate in digital space? 00:00:33.300 --> 00:00:37.200 Oh, and where does the metaverse and artificial intelligence fit into all of this? 00:00:38.220 --> 00:00:46.780 Whether you're a big or small church, the Church Digital's goal is to help churches like yours learn to be a multiplying church, digitally and physically. 00:00:47.260 --> 00:00:48.940 And now here's your host, Jeff Reed. 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:55.080 Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast, episode 301. 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:56.740 301 here of the Church Digital. 00:00:56.980 --> 00:01:04.560 We survived episode 300, which is the Alan Hirsch takes over the digital church. 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:05.480 It was beautiful. 00:01:05.740 --> 00:01:19.400 We had Alan Hirsch on and a whole bunch of other people, a whole bunch of planters in digital and virtual and even a micro church, a church at a bar, was on having a conversation with Alan Hirsch. 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:25.980 So go back, and if you hadn't listened to it, check out your mobile app or find it on YouTube, on the Church Digital's YouTube channel. 00:01:26.060 --> 00:01:26.780 It's an incredible episode. 00:01:27.360 --> 00:01:32.200 Really loved Alan and the time that he spent coming to be a part of episode 300. 00:01:32.340 --> 00:01:34.360 But we can celebrate 300 in different things. 00:01:34.420 --> 00:01:35.160 We've got to move on. 00:01:35.780 --> 00:01:39.740 Episode 301, which is kicking off season eight of the Church Digital Podcast. 00:01:39.820 --> 00:01:41.380 We're going to do something new here. 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:45.300 We're toying with the idea of a new show. 00:01:46.260 --> 00:01:47.780 If it works, great. 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:50.520 If it doesn't work, well, that was a stupid idea. 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:53.220 We'll chalk it up to somebody else's fault. 00:01:53.460 --> 00:01:57.840 But we're bringing on Joey Santos into the conversation. 00:01:58.100 --> 00:01:58.960 You want to say, hey, Joey? 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:00.580 Hey, Jeff. 00:02:00.600 --> 00:02:01.180 How you doing? 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:05.680 Well, I don't think there'll be a stupid idea, number one, right? 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:10.160 I think it's going to be a stupid idea, man. 00:02:10.180 --> 00:02:11.140 We're going to go for it. 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:13.040 We're just going to go head on to it. 00:02:13.260 --> 00:02:16.100 Stupid or no stupid, either way, we're going to go down with the tight end. 00:02:16.140 --> 00:02:16.540 No, I'm kidding. 00:02:16.640 --> 00:02:17.860 It's going to be a lot of fun. 00:02:18.860 --> 00:02:26.060 So Joey is a former digital pastor, and so spent his time physical church doing digital ministry. 00:02:26.740 --> 00:02:27.520 And it was interesting. 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:34.480 You know, there's actually a trend of people that launched a digital church or a digital ministry 00:02:34.480 --> 00:02:40.160 in context of a physical church, but then basically grew it out of the physical church. 00:02:40.160 --> 00:02:41.540 Like, it became bigger. 00:02:41.660 --> 00:02:42.280 It became different. 00:02:42.380 --> 00:02:45.340 It became separate than what the physical church was. 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:48.720 And so Anne Bosarge is a great example of that with the stuff she's doing with the Chapel 00:02:48.720 --> 00:02:50.420 Online and digital discipleship. 00:02:51.040 --> 00:02:56.460 And Joey has started this with church at a bar. 00:02:56.820 --> 00:03:02.100 And so I want to get into this here in a second with Joey, getting info on church at a bar. 00:03:02.820 --> 00:03:10.220 But really, with season eight, Joey and I are kicking off this concept centered around, wait, 00:03:10.440 --> 00:03:11.540 that's a church? 00:03:12.260 --> 00:03:17.440 And so we're literally going to highlight here through the Church Digital Podcast for a season 00:03:17.440 --> 00:03:20.020 and maybe eventually spend this off into a separate show. 00:03:20.500 --> 00:03:45.140 This idea of, you're going to love this, unique expressions of church, whether that be a micro church or a digital church or a virtual reality church or a church that meets in a pub or a strip club or, yeah, I know some strip clubs, cigar bars, homes, workplaces, like people that are doing church in unique places and spaces. 00:03:45.140 --> 00:03:59.100 And so, you know, that is always, to be honest, as a guy that has seen over 100 people come to Christ in a brick and mortar mall in Wellington Green, Florida, through a business I ran down there. 00:03:59.480 --> 00:04:05.760 The idea of being the church in unique spaces has been in my heart for decades. 00:04:06.340 --> 00:04:10.880 And I'm seeing that in real time with my friend Joey here with church at a bar. 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:17.820 And that's why, man, I want to dig in and kind of learn and highlight and celebrate some of these unique ways. 00:04:18.280 --> 00:04:20.880 And so, man, Joey, thanks for jumping on here. 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:27.500 Now, Jeff, thanks for inviting me to be part of this opportunity. 00:04:27.820 --> 00:04:29.900 I think there's so much to be discussed. 00:04:30.020 --> 00:04:31.140 There's so much to be learned. 00:04:31.300 --> 00:04:35.060 And I think, you know, I don't think that what we're doing is unique. 00:04:35.760 --> 00:04:38.560 I just, we just don't talk about it enough. 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:45.260 We just don't get out there and just discuss, okay, to other church expressions, 00:04:45.260 --> 00:04:55.500 to show, like, to show that church can happen in different ways and formats than what we usually know on a Sunday morning, 00:04:55.740 --> 00:04:58.540 you know, in a same kind of style of a church building. 00:04:59.100 --> 00:05:00.660 And there's nothing wrong with that. 00:05:00.700 --> 00:05:03.160 But now there's some other expressions of church. 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.180 And I think it's important for people to know right off the bat, though. 00:05:06.280 --> 00:05:13.980 Like, when we talk different expressions, we're not changing the basic biblical concept of church, right? 00:05:13.980 --> 00:05:17.220 And I think, like, we've got to start talking about that, I think, first. 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:24.580 Like, what's a church, you know, and what is not a church, right? 00:05:24.620 --> 00:05:27.180 What is not under the definition of a biblical church? 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:32.820 And when you go back to the first century church and you see how they did their gatherings 00:05:32.820 --> 00:05:37.840 and what they did to spend time together, right, to break bread together, 00:05:37.840 --> 00:05:42.620 and they met in the temple courts and they, like, all these different ways of doing it. 00:05:42.700 --> 00:05:45.780 And then you fast forward, just not much, just a little bit. 00:05:45.860 --> 00:05:52.100 And Paul writes in his letters where he says, greeting this church and those ones they're meeting at home, right? 00:05:52.260 --> 00:05:59.360 So I think the very definition of church is the gathering of people. 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:10.300 They gather in the name of Jesus to be in fellowship, to worship him, to grow together spiritually, 00:06:10.940 --> 00:06:16.560 to be there for each other, to have a community, a life in community where they share life together. 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:24.440 I think all these aspects of biblical definition of church, that's what we're talking about when we say different expressions, 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:29.640 meaning the expression of church doesn't change in the essence. 00:06:30.340 --> 00:06:33.720 But what comes to be different is the format. 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:39.240 We're talking about a format, a format that's not necessarily, you know, in a building, 00:06:39.440 --> 00:06:48.140 everybody's sitting and looking in the same direction, or, you know, singing together, many times singing together. 00:06:48.320 --> 00:06:51.000 The church, the bar, we don't have music. 00:06:51.320 --> 00:06:57.860 We worship in different ways, but not through music because we don't have the infrastructure to do it, and that's okay. 00:07:00.080 --> 00:07:09.540 So I think that aspect of it, having that healthy conversation about what exactly are the opportunities that we have 00:07:09.540 --> 00:07:20.800 to get together as the body of Christ, and can actually that happen outside the Sunday morning traditional format that we know? 00:07:21.540 --> 00:07:26.020 And the second part is what kind of impact that can create in people's lives 00:07:26.020 --> 00:07:33.100 when they're introduced to different ways of doing the very thing that we wanted them to do. 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:41.500 That's get to know Christ, have a life with Him, accept Him, and have communion with each other. 00:07:41.620 --> 00:07:44.800 So I think that's really the atmosphere we're trying to pursue here. 00:07:45.420 --> 00:07:51.520 That's so good, you know, and so you're using a term, you know, oftentimes I've heard Alan Hirsch talk on this 00:07:51.520 --> 00:07:58.340 and others that minimal ecclesiology, like what's the base level of what makes a church a church? 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:04.580 Now, you and I have both worked in mega-giga churches, thousands of people attending on a Sunday, 00:08:05.060 --> 00:08:09.560 and it is an expression of worship, and it's a valid expression of worship. 00:08:10.100 --> 00:08:16.560 But if we're honest, you know, the Hays machine is not biblical. 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.940 Like, that is something that would be extra-biblical. 00:08:20.140 --> 00:08:23.980 It's outside of the mandate of Scripture for what the church is. 00:08:24.060 --> 00:08:32.820 And so as we look at Acts 2, 36 through 47, you know, we start to see examples of what the church is defined to be in biblical spaces. 00:08:33.280 --> 00:08:40.280 And so, and as we start to establish, okay, what's the core foundational level for what makes a church a church? 00:08:40.660 --> 00:08:46.260 You know, I can tell you on the church digital side, like I have a minimal ecclesiology of what I want to see. 00:08:47.180 --> 00:08:51.560 And sometimes, you know, other people have varying opinions on things like that. 00:08:51.560 --> 00:09:08.560 But it's always an interesting challenge to reimagine not what Scripture says, but applying the standard of Scripture to a workplace environment like what you're doing at the bar. 00:09:08.660 --> 00:09:11.060 And I know that barely scratches the surface of church at a bar. 00:09:11.540 --> 00:09:19.240 Or, you know, somebody who's doing church in virtual reality or somebody who's doing church in a home, in a house church environment. 00:09:19.640 --> 00:09:22.900 And honestly, you know, I've always said this. 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:33.940 Some of the largest churches on the planet right now in Korea, like literally tens of thousands, almost hundreds of thousands of people are attending, you know, church on a regular basis. 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:43.920 Some of the smallest churches on the planet are in India, where it's like two or three people huddled around a palm tree, like literally it's two or more people are gathered together. 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:48.780 That's literally talking about what's happening in India and some of these micro locations. 00:09:48.780 --> 00:10:01.860 And so to say that one version is better than the other or it's more effective or God only uses one model versus another, that's really not ours to say. 00:10:02.660 --> 00:10:08.120 It's much more about how can we reach the people that we're reaching with our method. 00:10:08.740 --> 00:10:18.760 And at least here in America, I feel like we've lost sight of that and we are not receptive as much as we were. 00:10:18.860 --> 00:10:20.540 Now, COVID, I think, changed a lot of that. 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.040 But pre-COVID, we were not receptive to ideas that weren't. 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:26.380 Everybody wanted to be, you know, the Hillsong. 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:27.520 Everybody wanted to be the mega gig. 00:10:27.580 --> 00:10:33.220 It was all about, you know, nickels and noses and getting the budgets bigger and hiring more people and growing the buildings. 00:10:33.220 --> 00:10:44.760 And, you know, it's nice to have the big buildings, but then you start asking questions like, is that effective in making disciples or is, can we be more effective in different ways? 00:10:44.760 --> 00:10:51.560 And to be honest, you know, my experience, we can reach people digitally in different ways than we can reach physically. 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:56.760 A micro church, like what you're doing at the bar, is going to reach a different type of person. 00:10:56.840 --> 00:10:57.900 So talk to me about that. 00:10:58.660 --> 00:10:59.540 No, no, it is. 00:10:59.700 --> 00:11:01.780 And I think it's so valid. 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:14.160 To lead to that perspective, though, what you just described reminds me, when I was doing more like a digital ministry and the cause to start the church, the bar, 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:19.860 because the church, the bar was one of the house campuses that we had as a result of the digital ministry. 00:11:20.900 --> 00:11:25.580 But one of the places that we had house campuses was in Ghana, Africa. 00:11:25.860 --> 00:11:30.580 So you had this group's meeting, they're meeting people's houses. 00:11:31.880 --> 00:11:35.240 And I need to find a photo to show you. 00:11:36.100 --> 00:11:39.480 But they would send us pictures of them gathering. 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:51.780 And there's this group of, like, 10 people in this backyard, you know, dirt ground, looking at an iPad mini, watching the service with us. 00:11:52.140 --> 00:11:53.800 And that's their church. 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:56.780 Like, that's how church happens to them. 00:11:57.780 --> 00:12:10.900 And it was so interesting, because they put the iPad mini on top of the thumb of the drum kit, because they would do their live music. 00:12:11.160 --> 00:12:20.200 You know, they have their own live music with their own style for their culture, the way they express the worship, you know, in Ghana, Africa. 00:12:20.340 --> 00:12:39.700 But then they would stop to join us for the live worship online, and they were part of our church, which it really started telling me the story about how they will go to all the extent they could go to be in fellowship and to worship together and to get the word. 00:12:40.180 --> 00:12:43.000 I think sometimes we get lost in that. 00:12:43.280 --> 00:12:47.000 And they, you know, how many times they did, you know, communion. 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:50.360 We had communion on a Friday afternoon. 00:12:50.940 --> 00:12:55.020 Like, they would gather together in the house, we would get online, and, like, let's just have communion together. 00:12:55.580 --> 00:12:55.960 Right? 00:12:56.020 --> 00:12:58.300 So you have all these different ways. 00:12:58.560 --> 00:13:00.440 They're not following the same format. 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:06.060 They're not doing exactly the way we would do in a church building in America. 00:13:07.260 --> 00:13:09.440 But they did what they had to do. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.160 And it brings me back to Acts chapter 2. 00:13:12.380 --> 00:13:21.940 So, you know, the very first meeting, you know, when you look from that perspective, when the disciples, they walked back from Jerusalem. 00:13:21.940 --> 00:13:25.320 Jesus, you know, he just went to heaven. 00:13:25.900 --> 00:13:33.460 And then they walked back from Jerusalem, and they went in the upper side of the city. 00:13:34.020 --> 00:13:37.540 And they gathered together in the room to pray. 00:13:39.060 --> 00:13:47.220 And, you know, Luke described that, that the women and Mary was there with them praying. 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:58.280 And the thing I think is so interesting about that, why I make the parallel between what we do at the church, the bar, is because for that culture, the women should never be in that room praying with these guys. 00:13:58.500 --> 00:14:05.520 You know, the culture would dictate that the women should be separated from the men when they're praying. 00:14:05.640 --> 00:14:13.940 And here's how Jesus establishing this new way of people, like, when it comes to their faith, how they should behave and how they should relate to each other. 00:14:14.180 --> 00:14:18.800 And the very first prayer gathering they have, they break the culture. 00:14:19.340 --> 00:14:21.620 And who dictated that should not be that way? 00:14:21.680 --> 00:14:23.060 It was actually the church at that time. 00:14:23.700 --> 00:14:26.800 The church dictated that the men and women should never be together to pray. 00:14:27.220 --> 00:14:29.200 But here, the disciples coming. 00:14:29.520 --> 00:14:36.820 And I think that alone, it really shows us a little bit about what the gospel is really about, right? 00:14:36.900 --> 00:14:42.520 Like, we're going to get together, and we're going to get together with people that don't see it the way we see it many times. 00:14:42.760 --> 00:14:50.540 And so the idea of, you know, we went into a digital church that started online, a house campus at the bar. 00:14:51.060 --> 00:14:55.180 And they were like, okay, let's, what would this look like to really turn into a microchurch? 00:14:55.180 --> 00:14:58.640 Because at this point, we're no longer just a house campus with 10 people. 00:14:58.740 --> 00:15:01.540 Now, some services, we have 30, 40 people. 00:15:01.820 --> 00:15:05.940 So we moved from a house campus now to a microchurch. 00:15:06.420 --> 00:15:13.520 And as we jump into that format, we're like, in a decision, Jeff, this is very interesting. 00:15:15.040 --> 00:15:28.500 At the beginning of the church, the bar, the main church that we're connected with, they made very clear that everything in the church, the bar, should replicate what happened in the main church. 00:15:30.260 --> 00:15:33.660 And as we started doing that, we were like, okay, let's do it this way. 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:40.760 But as soon as we started, we realized people were not connecting because the format would not fit the environment. 00:15:41.760 --> 00:15:50.160 So it was hard for people to connect if they didn't have, you know, the infrastructure you have in a big church is not the same when you walk in the bar. 00:15:50.500 --> 00:15:55.840 So you cannot give the same feeling, the same touch that you have. 00:15:55.900 --> 00:15:57.140 So it has to be different. 00:15:57.780 --> 00:15:59.240 And that's one of the first things we learned. 00:15:59.340 --> 00:16:01.640 We failed a lot when we started. 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:12.820 We failed a lot because we had to experience a few things to learn that when you go to an environment like the bar and we're inviting people to healthy conversations about the Bible, 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:18.720 you cannot just replicate what you do in a building that was built for just that. 00:16:18.920 --> 00:16:22.880 So when we enter the bar, we learned that we ended up adjusting. 00:16:23.460 --> 00:16:31.380 And the second that we start making a few adjustments here and there, we realized people are not just coming to check it out. 00:16:31.460 --> 00:16:32.180 They start staying. 00:16:32.680 --> 00:16:33.460 They will come back. 00:16:34.180 --> 00:16:37.580 They will, they start plugging in and start connecting with us more. 00:16:37.800 --> 00:16:47.940 So I think, I think there's so much in there and I'm very excited about us having these conversations now more regularly about church expressions, 00:16:47.940 --> 00:16:53.560 because I think people are going to discover so many other expressions out there, not just the bar. 00:16:54.020 --> 00:17:01.740 You know, you're going to discover so many other expressions, what people are doing and how they're doing and why they're doing with the objective to really go and make. 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:04.900 And that's one of the greatest things about this. 00:17:05.020 --> 00:17:10.760 Like you have a real sense of what looks like to do what Jesus told us to do that you go and make. 00:17:11.080 --> 00:17:11.780 So I like that. 00:17:12.120 --> 00:17:14.680 You know, I, it's, was it David? 00:17:14.900 --> 00:17:15.980 I'm trying to think. 00:17:16.340 --> 00:17:20.360 Who was, who was the king before David of Old Testament history is my weakness right here. 00:17:20.580 --> 00:17:22.260 It was David and then it went. 00:17:22.860 --> 00:17:23.020 Yeah. 00:17:23.360 --> 00:17:26.360 So that's, we are showing our biblical Saul. 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:27.220 That's what I thought. 00:17:27.340 --> 00:17:29.660 In my mind, it was Saul, but then I was like, Saul and Paul. 00:17:29.740 --> 00:17:30.460 No, that's New Testament. 00:17:30.580 --> 00:17:31.100 No, no, no, no. 00:17:31.100 --> 00:17:31.620 But it's Saul. 00:17:32.040 --> 00:17:32.640 Thank you. 00:17:32.760 --> 00:17:35.340 Ian is chiming in from the outside. 00:17:35.340 --> 00:17:44.160 But, you know, when, when David was going to fight Goliath and they tried to put Saul's armor on David and, you know, David's a little kid. 00:17:44.520 --> 00:17:47.920 And it wasn't, wasn't, it was like this, the armor was too big. 00:17:47.980 --> 00:17:48.980 It was, it was ginormous. 00:17:49.340 --> 00:17:53.640 You know, and in many ways, that's what a lot of times the physical churches are trying to do. 00:17:54.140 --> 00:17:56.200 Oh, well, churches that has to look like this. 00:17:56.340 --> 00:17:57.680 You have to do these elements. 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:14.480 And I can remember early on, Joey, like this was my favorite story of church at the bar was when you told me we tried to reach church people in a bar and no church people would come to the bar and no people wanted, no bar people wanted to come to the church. 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:24.480 So instead, what we did was we tried to reach the bar people in the bar and the bar people wanted to come to church, but they didn't want to go to the church building. 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:33.720 And so like you, you recognize your, your strengths and the opportunities and you put on the appropriate armor for that situation. 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:34.200 Yeah. 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:41.280 And so, and you were able to connect with the people at the bar in ways that the physical church building never would. 00:18:42.500 --> 00:18:43.020 Yeah. 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:53.400 And the conversation that sometimes we don't want to have, but it's necessary to have is there's people that really get hurt in a current church format. 00:18:53.400 --> 00:19:00.400 They get hurt for whatever reason, you know, even if it's not the church fault or leadership fault, people end up getting hurt. 00:19:01.560 --> 00:19:10.040 And, and they step away from, from the format, but they still want to pursue, understand what this relationship with God looks like. 00:19:10.380 --> 00:19:20.740 So we, we, we usually say that, that church, the bar, this kind of expression is for people that gave up in the church, but do not give up on God. 00:19:22.020 --> 00:19:29.120 And that's exactly kind of the profile that we see walking in and people are like, man, I, I've been walking, you know, I've been in church for a long time. 00:19:29.180 --> 00:19:40.140 I remember we have, we have, we have, we have somebody who tends to the church, the bar now every Sunday that, that until last year, he was out of the church for 20 years. 00:19:40.980 --> 00:19:58.220 I mean, 20 years and, and, and always looking for answers, always looking for what's going on, understanding, you know, I want to pursue this relationship with God, but what happened to me in church 20 years ago, just, you know, and I know sometimes we're like, oh, you just use it as an excuse to not be in church. 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:09.360 But here, 20 years later, that person was still pursuing, and they come to church to borrow for much, for, for conversation that they feel they could not have in the church format. 00:20:09.360 --> 00:20:33.180 And honestly, because the way we do the service, I think that's the biggest contrast that we found is that our, our format of service is conducive for people to build relationship, which I think that's what the church, the traditional church pursued that by trying to get people into getting engaged into small groups. 00:20:33.180 --> 00:20:33.620 Right? 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.140 Because these small groups are going to say, we're going to build relationships. 00:20:36.740 --> 00:20:38.240 You're going to get close to each other. 00:20:38.360 --> 00:20:39.800 You're going to hold each other accountable. 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.240 Well, we do that in a church format, like in a church gathering on Sunday. 00:20:44.340 --> 00:20:45.860 That's how exactly what we do it. 00:20:45.860 --> 00:20:53.680 So when I, I prepare the message, I get the exact same message you used to preach in the church for, you know, 25 minutes. 00:20:53.920 --> 00:21:02.860 And I break that up into four parts and, and I ask questions, but all the questions has to be completely locked. 00:21:03.180 --> 00:21:14.040 Life, real life related, meaning whatever teaching we're doing from the Bible, then that, that question has to like, how do I relate that in my real life? 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:14.580 Yeah. 00:21:14.700 --> 00:21:16.480 So that's how we craft those questions. 00:21:16.860 --> 00:21:19.900 And it's interesting because that's where the conversations really start. 00:21:20.020 --> 00:21:27.880 Sometimes these conversations, you know, we, we put a five minute on a clock on the screen, but sometimes go longer because people are like, okay, here's really what's going on. 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:32.240 And they feel that they can be somewhat vulnerable. 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:33.640 Here's, here's one Mark. 00:21:33.860 --> 00:21:35.240 That's a hundred percent Jeff. 00:21:35.300 --> 00:21:36.640 It's a hundred percent church to bar. 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:45.080 It's every person who came for the first time, even, even if they never came back, but they come one time. 00:21:45.180 --> 00:21:50.460 And the very first time they came, they came, they always engage in a conversation somehow. 00:21:51.460 --> 00:21:58.220 And by, by, by question two or three, they felt comfortable enough to like, I want to offer my input here. 00:21:58.300 --> 00:21:59.100 Here's what I think. 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:14.160 And I think that's such a good mark to have that you make an environment that's so comfortable that I place first timer feels incredibly, you know, relaxed to actually engage. 00:22:14.940 --> 00:22:23.600 And I think that that looking for that perspective, I think, man, what, what, how can we actually expand that? 00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:32.540 How can we, you know, is there anything that actually the traditional church can look at these expressions, not just the bar, but any others and say, holy, hold on. 00:22:32.900 --> 00:22:37.440 Is there something that can help us engage people where they are in our buildings, in our church? 00:22:37.460 --> 00:22:42.440 Because this is not exclusive for the church expressions that we're going to be talking about. 00:22:42.580 --> 00:22:55.720 This is something that we want to, the entire church to engage in these conversations and see like, can we actually talk about something that help everybody that's in ministry to like go and make? 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:56.880 Because that's the mission. 00:22:57.300 --> 00:22:57.380 Yeah. 00:22:57.620 --> 00:23:01.160 The mission that we're, we're assigned to like to go and make. 00:23:01.280 --> 00:23:05.980 So I think, I think this conversation can be incredibly healthy on all sides and for everybody. 00:23:06.300 --> 00:23:06.940 Yeah, I love it. 00:23:06.980 --> 00:23:08.640 And Joey, you know, think about it. 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:19.180 Like you're, you're doing church in an environment in a bar that's meant to get people comfortable, relaxed, building trust with one another and talking. 00:23:19.180 --> 00:23:29.140 Like the literal environment is designed to get people talking to one another, spending time, drinking more drinks, talking with a bartender and a waitress. 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:32.840 Like, you know, that's, that's what your, your environment is set up to do. 00:23:32.840 --> 00:23:45.880 And you quote unquote, taking advantage of that environment of that opportunity and use it to get people talking to one another about God and using that environment to, uh, to, to forge spiritual relationships. 00:23:46.020 --> 00:23:46.260 Yeah. 00:23:46.260 --> 00:23:48.480 Some would say that's a controversial idea. 00:23:48.700 --> 00:23:53.200 You know, I've got some Southern Baptist pastor friends that might be having a heart attack right now. 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:57.020 Thinking about the concept, no offense to our Southern Baptist friends out there. 00:23:57.060 --> 00:24:07.080 I am Southern Baptist, but the, the, the heart of it is, is that, um, you know, I, I, I always say this and people are like, you know, I've actually had people tell me, I don't, I don't think that's true. 00:24:07.080 --> 00:24:07.980 And I was like, well, what do you mean? 00:24:08.100 --> 00:24:09.040 I say this all the time. 00:24:09.040 --> 00:24:12.860 It's like, if you, if we want to reach someone different, we have to do something different. 00:24:13.420 --> 00:24:22.460 The, the buildings right now in America, 25% of people, Americans are active in their, in their church, in a Christian church. 00:24:22.460 --> 00:24:35.920 Uh, and so that leaves a whole, that leaves 75% of people who are not active and you know what, we can try the buildings harder and that may move the needle a little bit, but it's not, you're going to get another 25% by getting the buildings to work harder. 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:46.740 And so we need to do something different to, to reach these people and even church at a bar or, you know, I've got, I've got friends that are, oh my gosh, I'm so excited about this series. 00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:58.200 You know, we're going to do like, I've got friends that are doing, uh, outdoor church out in like Germany up in the, in the, in the Alpine mountains where they'll go mountain climbing or the, you know, what's in the next week. 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:07.220 They'll go whitewater rafting and then they'll go hiking and the next month, week, they're going to go do like a, an ultra, uh, 10 mile or 20 mile, 50 mile run. 00:25:07.420 --> 00:25:11.260 And it's like, they do all these outdoor activities and then they always do a church service afterwards. 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:14.720 And, and they're trying to spin up this network of, of churches. 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:16.420 That's all centered around physical activity. 00:25:16.540 --> 00:25:22.680 You know, I'm, I walk with a cane, so it's not like I'm going to do any of this stuff, but oh my gosh, it's so cool to think about it. 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:32.780 But Jeff, I think actually, when you look from that perspective, there are a lot of these church expressions that I think are already happening inside the traditional church. 00:25:33.040 --> 00:25:39.420 But the problem is the traditional church fail to recognize that as the church expression. 00:25:39.940 --> 00:25:43.280 They, they recognize as this is a small group. 00:25:43.460 --> 00:25:48.920 This is like an affinity group, but let's not call it church because that, that, you know what I mean? 00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:51.860 Because instead of, Hey, hold on. 00:25:52.060 --> 00:25:54.380 No, is this really reaching people? 00:25:54.520 --> 00:25:59.140 Are you actually bringing people to, to the kingdom because of these meetings? 00:25:59.140 --> 00:26:03.660 I, I remember you and I, you and I were in a meeting years ago in Colorado. 00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:12.820 We're in a very small group of people in the mountains, have this meeting about digital ministry, the expansion of the ministry and very important people there. 00:26:12.940 --> 00:26:17.120 To this day, I, I, I hit myself in the head like, well, what I was doing there? 00:26:17.180 --> 00:26:23.460 Cause I don't know what, I don't understand how in this room, that was so much fun. 00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:32.900 I mean, so I, but I remember, um, I forgot his last name, uh, back is his last name. 00:26:34.060 --> 00:26:36.580 Um, yeah, Scott Beck, CEO of glue. 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:38.060 We were up in his house in the mountains. 00:26:38.820 --> 00:26:39.260 Exactly. 00:26:39.360 --> 00:26:48.280 Scott Beck, we're in his house, but he brought out an incredible illustration of how the church sometimes missed the point. 00:26:48.280 --> 00:26:56.400 And he's talking about a, a, um, metric system that they put in the church to test the waters. 00:26:56.800 --> 00:27:06.240 And what they realized one thing was, you know, the pastor's fighting with the couples ministry to, because they're doing a weekend to remember the weekend to remember goes until Sunday. 00:27:06.380 --> 00:27:10.240 Meaning those couples that sign up for weekend to remember would meet Sunday. 00:27:10.620 --> 00:27:12.180 They would not be in church on Sunday. 00:27:12.260 --> 00:27:17.840 And the pastor was not crazy about that, but they said, well, let's, let's try to use this as a way to analyze. 00:27:17.840 --> 00:27:27.720 And actually what they did was all the couples that sign up, they made, they made this major campaign, a lot of cups in the church, a lot of cups. 00:27:27.840 --> 00:27:37.480 But however, one thing they realized is this 30% of the couples who sign up for that event did not attend the church regularly. 00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:39.800 They did not, some of them do not attend at all. 00:27:39.980 --> 00:27:52.220 Then after these couples went to a weekend to remember all together as one group, while they realized that that 30%, that 30%, they start connecting with the church through small groups and giving. 00:27:52.220 --> 00:28:03.280 They still not fully committed to a Sunday morning experience, but they saw the value of being in that small group with couples, attending, couples to remember. 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:19.260 And then they started actually participating in different ministries in the church because of that Sunday experience that didn't happen in the building, but happened in an environment that they had something in common. 00:28:19.520 --> 00:28:23.780 And I think that's kind of like, I think that's the part of the church is missing. 00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:35.520 I think there's already possibly different church expressions already happening underneath the church ministry that we just failed to empower this leaders to say, man, go ahead. 00:28:35.520 --> 00:28:37.200 Let's, what do I need to give you? 00:28:37.320 --> 00:28:44.340 Like, it would be great for church leaders to say, let's empower you to grow this thing, to really connect, connect with people the way you're connecting. 00:28:44.580 --> 00:28:46.880 I think sports ministry would be huge on that. 00:28:47.260 --> 00:28:48.880 I think we miss a ton on that. 00:28:48.980 --> 00:28:53.160 Like, man, I cannot bring my buddies from my company to come to my church. 00:28:53.340 --> 00:28:55.900 I'm sure I can get my buddies to come to a golf outing. 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:02.480 And then the golf outing can turn into, into a group environment where we can have biblical discussions. 00:29:03.340 --> 00:29:06.880 But at the end, the church has a special request. 00:29:07.020 --> 00:29:10.860 The special request is make sure they come in on Sunday morning, right? 00:29:11.620 --> 00:29:11.860 Yeah. 00:29:12.020 --> 00:29:14.520 Make sure they're here on Sunday morning because that's the key. 00:29:14.820 --> 00:29:26.340 And I think if the church can see that attending Sunday service is one thing, but making disciples, it's a whole other dimension of the conversation. 00:29:27.080 --> 00:29:28.920 Then let's talk about that. 00:29:29.560 --> 00:29:40.100 You know, what it would look like to make disciples that may not look like being, being there on church every Sunday, but actually the sun is being used someplace else where they're actually making disciples. 00:29:40.100 --> 00:29:41.540 They're not taking the Sunday off. 00:29:41.820 --> 00:29:46.600 I think there are opportunities definitely to be discussed there. 00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:48.480 So, I mean, that begs the question. 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:59.600 So, you were, you were part of a physical church and you've transitioned in the past 18 months or so, 12, 18 months, I feel like, right? 00:30:00.120 --> 00:30:05.040 To your, now you're an independent church, church at a bar. 00:30:07.560 --> 00:30:18.980 What freedom, why did you make that move as opposed to staying under the church being a small group or something like that? 00:30:19.100 --> 00:30:20.900 What freedom do you gain? 00:30:21.300 --> 00:30:24.440 You know, a lot of churches right now, they operate more as growth. 00:30:24.580 --> 00:30:28.540 Okay, let's have this be another small group and count another 30 people in that. 00:30:28.900 --> 00:30:32.940 But you opted to go more of a planting with, with independence. 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:35.420 That's a bold, brave move. 00:30:35.660 --> 00:30:39.140 What, what did you benefit from, from becoming independent? 00:30:39.360 --> 00:30:41.140 I don't, it was, it was interesting. 00:30:41.500 --> 00:30:51.680 I think for the people watching this, listening to this podcast, one thing that make very, become very clear to me, it was. 00:30:53.740 --> 00:30:59.040 On a, on a, the bar, the establishment that we, we have the church, the bar is a pretty big one. 00:30:59.320 --> 00:31:01.680 So we, you know, weekends, there's live music. 00:31:02.260 --> 00:31:04.040 In the summer, we have a big patio. 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:08.360 It's by the river, by the way, the river, by the bar, that's where we do baptisms. 00:31:09.600 --> 00:31:11.480 And, but the pattern is big. 00:31:11.600 --> 00:31:13.060 You've been there, big building. 00:31:13.360 --> 00:31:17.900 Just in the patio alone, on a Friday night, I can have 800 people at once. 00:31:18.760 --> 00:31:21.320 So, it is a big space, right? 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.280 And we started this church, the bar there, four and a half years ago. 00:31:27.220 --> 00:31:35.580 As soon as people realized that we actually, because we have signage all over the bar, church, the bar, Sunday, 10 a.m., Wednesday, 7 p.m. 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:46.860 And as we start doing this, and people realize what I do, and I, I start spending more time with the staff, doing leadership training, leadership culture, the staff, the owners asked me if I would do that. 00:31:46.860 --> 00:31:57.640 So, I started actually spending more time developing relationship with the bar staff, and also the people that go to the bar, that attend the bar. 00:31:57.740 --> 00:32:06.120 But as soon as the word got out, one thing that was becoming common is people walk up to me and say, hey, you're the pastor's church bar. 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:10.420 I heard you, yeah, man, I'm going through this, would you mind pray for me? 00:32:11.460 --> 00:32:17.020 And all of a sudden, like, I found myself just praying for people in the middle of the bar on a Saturday night, on a Friday night. 00:32:18.220 --> 00:32:20.080 And no, no judgment. 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.480 Like, people are like, oh, no, that's okay, because they have church here. 00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:33.260 And it really kind of, to me, at first, it was like, this is kind of weird, because you don't expect to be accepted as a pastor in that environment like that. 00:32:34.180 --> 00:32:36.420 And I realized there was a huge acceptance. 00:32:36.820 --> 00:32:43.680 In that second, I started experiencing ministry one-on-one with people like I've never experienced before. 00:32:44.060 --> 00:32:50.340 Because in reality is, you know, inside the church office, you don't have as many opportunities to connect with people. 00:32:51.820 --> 00:33:01.780 And as I started experiencing all that, and I was like, you know what, I felt like I got to, I see something that can really happen here. 00:33:01.820 --> 00:33:05.420 And I felt really inclined to dedicate my time to it. 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:10.620 But the problem is, you know, I've been in church as a full-time pastor for over 20 years. 00:33:11.380 --> 00:33:18.880 So it was a bold move last, beginning of last year that I, you know, we decide, I'm just going to quit my job at the church. 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:27.780 And the interesting thing about that is that I, because I started the church, the bar, through that church, I went to the owners first. 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:29.260 And I said, hey, I just want to let you know. 00:33:30.500 --> 00:33:35.420 I just want to let you know, because you guys have been very gracious to allow us to meet here, to do this gatherings. 00:33:35.800 --> 00:33:38.380 I was the one who came to you and asked for it. 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.120 So I want to make sure I'm honest with you guys. 00:33:41.380 --> 00:33:45.560 I'm about to quit my job at the church because I want to just move on. 00:33:46.080 --> 00:33:48.640 And I want to start exploring this ministry, what it looks like. 00:33:48.820 --> 00:33:51.140 And they're like, man, that's great. 00:33:51.260 --> 00:33:53.040 But what are you going to do for a living? 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:53.940 I was like, I don't know you. 00:33:54.060 --> 00:33:55.880 I have to figure it out. 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.420 And then they're like, okay. 00:33:57.500 --> 00:34:00.500 And then literally a week later, they call and say, hey, can we sit down and talk? 00:34:00.540 --> 00:34:01.660 And they're like, sure. 00:34:02.500 --> 00:34:05.640 They said, Joey, you're ready to get along with our staff. 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.000 You're ready to help us with some stuff on the business side. 00:34:08.580 --> 00:34:09.820 Why don't you come and work for us? 00:34:10.180 --> 00:34:11.060 And they'll do the church. 00:34:11.780 --> 00:34:18.500 And so all of a sudden, I got a job offer at the bar as operations manager for the whole company. 00:34:19.620 --> 00:34:23.500 And during that, they're like, you'll do the church? 00:34:24.340 --> 00:34:40.280 And the first thing, Jeff, the first thing I want to tell you, the first thing that really shocked me of the relief is doing ministry and not getting paid for it. 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.660 And I'm not saying that's wrong at all. 00:34:45.060 --> 00:34:47.240 I admire people that do their job. 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:49.840 I know a lot of pastors that deserve the money they earn. 00:34:50.520 --> 00:34:51.200 They really do. 00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:52.060 They work hard. 00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:53.480 They go after people. 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:54.940 They're making disciples. 00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:56.500 So I don't want people to understand that. 00:34:56.500 --> 00:35:04.140 In my story, doing ministry the way I'm doing and being able to say, you know, I don't get paid to do this. 00:35:04.220 --> 00:35:05.120 I'm just a volunteer. 00:35:05.720 --> 00:35:09.280 I'm a pastor who's a volunteer doing a ministry in a church in this location. 00:35:10.780 --> 00:35:23.220 And the better side of it is, you know, is conversations that I have with the people that attend the church about regularly saying, you know, hey, we're all in the same boat here. 00:35:23.780 --> 00:35:28.600 So when somebody gets sick, they don't just wait for the pastor to go visit them. 00:35:28.720 --> 00:35:29.960 Anybody can go visit them. 00:35:30.260 --> 00:35:31.000 We're in the same boat. 00:35:31.420 --> 00:35:33.340 We're all ministering to each other, right? 00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:34.660 We're learning that. 00:35:34.940 --> 00:35:46.740 So there's all these aspects in having the freedom, you know, outside the advantage of, you know, we're running a church where I don't pay mortgage. 00:35:46.900 --> 00:35:47.640 I don't pay rent. 00:35:47.740 --> 00:35:48.680 I don't pay utility. 00:35:49.180 --> 00:35:50.020 I don't pay staff. 00:35:51.940 --> 00:35:53.060 I don't have expenses. 00:35:53.700 --> 00:36:02.860 So one of the things we talk about the church, the bar is like people give money, they donate, but 100% of the money comes in is the 100% of the money goes out and goes out to ministry. 00:36:04.060 --> 00:36:12.300 So it is some things there that I was like, I would love for pastors to just like, let's look into this. 00:36:12.720 --> 00:36:14.420 Let's look into these opportunities. 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:21.040 How can the established church actually come alongside these different expressions and then start new ones? 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:28.340 And it's like, let's just use this as opportunity to expand the ministry and send our people there inside this building to go and make. 00:36:28.580 --> 00:36:30.800 Because I think there's a great opportunity there. 00:36:31.040 --> 00:36:32.340 Yes, that's so good. 00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:45.180 And we're looking forward to more of these conversations digging into, you know, first off, the first couple of weeks, we're going to do a unique deep dive into a church and a bar and some of the unique applications. 00:36:45.180 --> 00:36:50.260 You know, Joey, in his story, we talk about bivocational ministry all the time. 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:57.080 You know, in digital, we see a lot of this where the pastor does not work, does not make money off the church. 00:36:57.640 --> 00:37:00.300 And instead has a nine to five job, completely separate. 00:37:00.660 --> 00:37:08.700 You know, in Joey's situation, it's actually we use the term co-vocational because Joey has a job at the place where he's doing ministry. 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:14.580 You know, its equivalent would be, you know, somebody that's running a coffee house or is working as a barista at Starbucks. 00:37:14.580 --> 00:37:19.100 And it does a does church services out of that that location during the week or ministry there. 00:37:19.180 --> 00:37:26.960 And so Joey's a co-vocational minister, which is awesome, you know, that he's he's the operations manager at a bar. 00:37:27.060 --> 00:37:30.360 It's like, oh, my gosh, what what what a unique job. 00:37:30.520 --> 00:37:46.920 And to be able to to not only be like, you know, HR representative and to talk with with the employees and build relationships, but to be pastor to many of them and people in the in the customers and to build relationships. 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:50.640 And, you know, it's you're a you're a bourbon guy, right? 00:37:50.640 --> 00:37:52.180 Like, I don't want to mix up my drinks here. 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.520 I'm not much like this. 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:56.220 That's a good that's a good point. 00:37:56.220 --> 00:38:01.400 Like this past Tuesday, we had this incredible, I mean, incredible bourbon tasting. 00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:03.860 Just so you have an idea, it was six hundred dollars a person. 00:38:05.500 --> 00:38:07.840 And it was a very unique bourbon tasting. 00:38:08.620 --> 00:38:12.440 And I usually I run all the bourbon tastings like we have a bourbon club. 00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:14.220 I run the bourbon club. 00:38:14.380 --> 00:38:16.060 We have what it was. 00:38:16.060 --> 00:38:25.980 You got 30 people in the room who pay high, high money for this bourbon tasting, which, by the way, all the proceeds of this bourbon tasting is going to the foundation. 00:38:25.980 --> 00:38:33.460 That the church to buy runs and and that, you know, we raised seventeen thousand dollars in one night through that. 00:38:33.620 --> 00:38:33.740 Wow. 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:39.740 But it's and we have this for the people, probably the people here that may or may not know bourbon. 00:38:39.900 --> 00:38:45.300 But if you know bourbon, you know, Buffalo Trace, you probably heard the name Freddie Johnson. 00:38:45.700 --> 00:38:48.540 Freddie Johnson, who's a legendary in a Buffalo Trace. 00:38:49.060 --> 00:38:51.680 He's the one who came in person and gave us. 00:38:52.140 --> 00:38:53.500 He led the tasting side of it. 00:38:53.740 --> 00:39:06.020 Anyways, he did such a great job talking, making a personal and gave me the perfect hook to go after him and said, man, he closed this thing so well. 00:39:06.020 --> 00:39:06.860 And I'm a pastor. 00:39:07.020 --> 00:39:10.960 And, you know, pastors just want to preach a lot after a great, great word like that. 00:39:11.040 --> 00:39:13.100 But I'm not doing it and everybody cracking up. 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:23.240 And that was the perfect hook because as soon as the face was over, I'm with like literally five, eight people that came to me and said, so tell me about this church tomorrow. 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:24.060 You're really a pastor. 00:39:24.200 --> 00:39:25.060 You do this thing here. 00:39:25.660 --> 00:39:28.000 Man, and then they engage in the conversation. 00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:39.020 So we're not ashamed, like we're not embarrassed to say that we're a pastor, we have a church, we believe in God, that, you know, I tell people, people like how the church works. 00:39:39.080 --> 00:39:40.720 I said, the Bible is the authority. 00:39:41.240 --> 00:39:44.760 You know, I said, I don't have no, I have no authority to church the bar. 00:39:45.060 --> 00:39:46.320 I'm just a mall cop. 00:39:46.600 --> 00:39:50.680 All I have is a flashlight and that's all I use for it. 00:39:50.740 --> 00:39:53.160 That's all I do because the authority is only the Bible. 00:39:53.560 --> 00:39:56.160 And we have this conversations in the middle of a bar. 00:39:56.600 --> 00:39:57.980 Why are people that have the bourbon? 00:39:58.340 --> 00:39:58.420 Yeah. 00:39:58.600 --> 00:40:02.300 And I think there's some, there's some things that they were like, hold on. 00:40:03.860 --> 00:40:11.640 I think we got to value this things and see like, are there more opportunities like that, that we can like talk about it, where people are, meet people where they are. 00:40:11.780 --> 00:40:12.600 That's powerful. 00:40:12.780 --> 00:40:13.020 Okay. 00:40:13.080 --> 00:40:13.900 True or false, Joey. 00:40:13.900 --> 00:40:15.780 I want you to want your honest to God answer here. 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:16.060 Okay. 00:40:16.240 --> 00:40:16.980 Right hand up. 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:17.500 Scouts honor. 00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:23.140 You jumped out of my live podcast recording with Alan Hirsch to go drink a $600. 00:40:23.560 --> 00:40:25.500 bottle of, uh, of, uh, bourbon. 00:40:28.060 --> 00:40:28.540 Exactly. 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:29.440 Actually, no. 00:40:29.520 --> 00:40:29.720 Sure. 00:40:29.900 --> 00:40:31.000 Now I'm going to brag. 00:40:31.100 --> 00:40:34.620 Since you took me, since you took me there, I'm going to brag. 00:40:35.380 --> 00:40:40.780 Um, actually I drank from a bottle that costs $19,000. 00:40:42.220 --> 00:40:43.320 Oh my gosh. 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:43.740 Okay. 00:40:44.220 --> 00:40:47.020 You stood up Alan freaking hers for 19. 00:40:47.120 --> 00:40:47.620 I don't blame you. 00:40:47.640 --> 00:40:48.180 I would do it too. 00:40:48.520 --> 00:40:49.320 Oh my gosh. 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:53.340 I don't even know that I like bourbon, but a $19,000 bottle would, that would be an interesting 00:40:53.340 --> 00:40:56.140 experience, uh, going, going in and out. 00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:00.440 I don't, I don't think I've ever held $19,000, anything in my hands. 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.680 Um, but, uh, well, well played. 00:41:02.820 --> 00:41:06.940 Hey, listen, y'all, um, we're going to be doing more here inside. 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.040 Wait, that's a church. 00:41:09.460 --> 00:41:15.140 And so, uh, expect that we're going to be broadcasting and doing live recordings inside 00:41:15.140 --> 00:41:15.580 the church. 00:41:15.660 --> 00:41:21.800 Digital's discord channel every Wednesday at, uh, 2 PM Eastern. 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:26.320 And so look for that Wednesday, 2 PM Eastern inside the church. 00:41:26.380 --> 00:41:27.340 Digital's discord. 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:32.500 And, um, if you'd like it, give us a holler in the church digital, let us know that, that 00:41:32.500 --> 00:41:32.980 you like it. 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:33.800 Tell us what you think. 00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:39.580 Uh, cause we are kicking around the idea of doing this as a standalone show featuring 00:41:39.580 --> 00:41:41.060 more unique. 00:41:41.060 --> 00:41:42.780 Obviously we're going to do a church at the bar. 00:41:43.180 --> 00:41:48.580 We're already talking with micro church leaders and, and, uh, some out of the box thankers and 00:41:48.580 --> 00:41:49.980 minimal ecclesiology. 00:41:49.980 --> 00:41:53.700 Like that, that was the thing I really wanted Alan Hirsch to get into minimal ecclesiology. 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:57.920 So we may try to get him again at some point, but there's so many conversations that we can 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:03.500 have in this, in this space, highlighting and celebrating some of the innovation that's 00:42:03.500 --> 00:42:10.360 happening in the church space at the, at the digital, at the micro, at the workplace, at 00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:11.640 so many different levels. 00:42:11.640 --> 00:42:13.700 And so, Hey, Joey, thanks for it. 00:42:13.700 --> 00:42:15.860 Thanks for the time and jumping here on this. 00:42:15.860 --> 00:42:19.240 But as we're landing the plane here today, man, any, any closing thoughts? 00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:20.940 That's the quietest Joey's been all day. 00:42:21.100 --> 00:42:22.900 I think Joey's internet bottomed out on him. 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:25.460 Joey's we're landing the plane. 00:42:25.560 --> 00:42:26.120 Any closing thoughts? 00:42:26.500 --> 00:42:27.280 Looking forward to it. 00:42:27.620 --> 00:42:32.080 I'll have the closing thought for Joey who can't hear me evidently, which is totally 00:42:32.080 --> 00:42:34.460 ironic because we made it all the way to the end of the podcast. 00:42:34.560 --> 00:42:37.180 And that's where Joey's Bluetooth headphones decided to die. 00:42:38.080 --> 00:42:40.240 Hey, I think he's laughing at my joke now. 00:42:40.240 --> 00:42:40.820 It's going to be great. 00:42:41.900 --> 00:42:42.220 Good. 00:42:42.340 --> 00:42:42.660 All right. 00:42:42.660 --> 00:42:43.260 There you go. 00:42:43.340 --> 00:42:45.040 He caught up just for that. 00:42:45.340 --> 00:42:46.460 So we're going to land the plane. 00:42:46.600 --> 00:42:49.700 Hey, for, for Joey, this is Jeff wrapping up season. 00:42:49.820 --> 00:42:52.320 No, starting kicking off season eight of wait. 00:42:52.420 --> 00:42:55.140 That's a church on the church digital podcast. 00:42:55.220 --> 00:42:55.760 Stick around. 00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:57.360 We will see you next time at the show. 00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:57.960 Y'all have a good one. 00:42:58.100 --> 00:42:58.560 Talk to you later. 00:42:58.560 --> 00:42:59.560 Bye.