WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.700 Like, Discord gives us that kind of flexibility that we don't have, and at the same time, 00:00:06.260 --> 00:00:11.140 we're going to where people are. So people are in Facebook, people are in Discord, 00:00:11.300 --> 00:00:15.420 and Discord gives us flexibility. Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:20.260 Through this podcast, we'll talk about the technological innovations within the Church, 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.060 but more than tech for tech itself, we'll address deeper questions. 00:00:24.680 --> 00:00:28.760 Is disciple-making possible digitally? How should we approach the digital mission field? 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:31.640 Can a biblically grounded church operate in digital space? 00:00:32.060 --> 00:00:35.960 Oh, and where does the metaverse and artificial intelligence fit into all of this? 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:42.020 Whether you're a big or small church, the Church Digital's goal is to help churches like yours 00:00:42.020 --> 00:00:47.660 learn to be a multiplying church, digitally and physically. And now here's your host, Jeff Reed. 00:00:48.080 --> 00:00:52.700 Hey everybody, quick editorial note here on the Church Digital Podcast before we get into 00:00:53.700 --> 00:01:00.000 episode 304. Jeff here. Okay, so we're in this season called Wait! That's a Church! 00:01:00.740 --> 00:01:06.840 And we did a great live podcast recording. Joey Santos and I, we had Dr. John Harris, 00:01:07.360 --> 00:01:15.700 Dr. John, talking about hearts like his, the digital discipleship community slash digital church 00:01:15.700 --> 00:01:21.480 that he's doing. And maybe minimal ecclesiology, what we're talking about looking at being a church 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:26.680 and digital space and even reimagining what that looks like. It was in Dr. John's standards, 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:34.040 once again, an incredible conversation that was totally screwed up because I gave bad advice at the 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:40.220 very beginning, dealing with some tech issues. And well, if you were in the audience watching the live 00:01:40.220 --> 00:01:48.520 podcast recording on Discord, you had a heck of a show, but no one else is going to be able to experience 00:01:48.520 --> 00:01:54.920 that because it didn't record. Or at least the genius of Dr. John Harris did not because I told him to mute 00:01:54.920 --> 00:02:01.800 the mic accidentally when we were getting started. And so that's on me. But it was an incredible show. 00:02:01.880 --> 00:02:07.080 By the way, this is why you all should be part of the Church Digital's online community 00:02:07.080 --> 00:02:13.220 on Discord. Go open up a web browser, go to discord.thechurch.digital. Come hang out with us 00:02:13.220 --> 00:02:21.940 in Discord. You get, you know, fresh stuff like Dr. John Harris. Literally five, six people only got to hear 00:02:21.940 --> 00:02:26.940 that and no one else will because we will never have that conversation again. We'll go back to Dr. John 00:02:26.940 --> 00:02:35.780 as a part of, uh, wait, that's a church in a later, uh, episode. We'll get them on. Believe me, there is 00:02:35.780 --> 00:02:42.400 a lot for Dr. John here in the Church Digital. Here's what we're doing instead of episode 304. I'm going to 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:47.740 set it up and then we're going to just hand it over and go with it. We have recently moved to Discord, 00:02:47.740 --> 00:02:52.680 like I literally just said. And as a part of Discord, why are we moving away from Mighty Networks? 00:02:52.860 --> 00:02:58.120 What's the motivation behind Discord? How is Discord working for the Church Digital? Uh, where are we going? 00:02:58.220 --> 00:03:03.760 What are we doing? What was the purpose for that? Was it successful? Is it working the way that we wanted it to? 00:03:03.920 --> 00:03:11.500 I have gotten so many questions centered around the Discord platform, the technology, the community aspects of it. 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:21.540 Why churches should be exploring that. And so I did a stream a couple weeks ago and brought in the TCD leadership team 00:03:21.540 --> 00:03:28.660 to get their perspective. And to my knowledge, this is the first time all of us have gotten together in a physical 00:03:28.660 --> 00:03:36.400 environment digitally or physically. Like none of us have all been in a public environment, even digitally at the same 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:43.660 time, except for this broadcast in this, uh, in this, uh, vibe. And so for the conversation, I'm bringing in 00:03:43.660 --> 00:03:48.220 myself, Jeff with the Church Digital and Andy Mage with the Church Digital and Jason Morris and Church 00:03:48.220 --> 00:03:53.740 Digital, Barbara Canero with the Church Digital, Leighton Flatcap himself with the Church Digital. It's a whole 00:03:53.740 --> 00:04:02.100 bunch of the Church Digital people coming in for episode 304, why the Church Digital went to Discord. 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:05.480 Okay, everybody, here's the actual episode. Here you go. 00:04:07.320 --> 00:04:15.400 So, hey, I want to publicly say this. This is the first time that we have actually had all of TCD 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:23.140 leadership, um, in at the same time. Uh, this is, um, they're kind of all over the place. Jason, 00:04:23.780 --> 00:04:29.500 um, is no longer in the room. J-Mo, you got to have both open at the same time, Discord and Riverside. 00:04:29.500 --> 00:04:34.220 I don't know if you can hear me currently. Yeah, now J-Mo's okay. He's giving me the thumbs up. He's, 00:04:34.220 --> 00:04:41.220 he didn't get the memo. Everybody else got the memo, uh, to go ahead of time and J-Mo did not get 00:04:41.220 --> 00:04:47.440 the memo. And so he went like this, we all went like this and he missed the onboarding. So, uh, 00:04:47.440 --> 00:04:50.900 so now J-Mo, let me bring you up, uh, and this is gonna be good. 00:04:52.260 --> 00:04:57.060 Sorry about the TCD bot there, Michelle. He's a little, he's a little bit of a, uh, 00:04:57.060 --> 00:05:04.200 a jerk. What did TCD bot do now? He strikes down Michelle constantly. I've actually toned, 00:05:04.320 --> 00:05:08.860 I've, I've toned the TCD bot down and he still is a little bit finicky. 00:05:09.180 --> 00:05:15.980 Yeah. Apparently four claps as mass emojis. Four. Yeah. Will, only one, only one smiley face there. 00:05:15.980 --> 00:05:21.040 Will, no more than that. Oh, this is, this is so good. Uh, man, 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:25.020 I'm looking forward to this conversation. This is the first time publicly all five of us have been 00:05:25.020 --> 00:05:30.220 together, even digitally, physically, you know, completely remote organization. We've not all, 00:05:30.220 --> 00:05:36.220 all been together. And, um, and, you know, I figured out the other day, uh, that, uh, this is the first 00:05:36.220 --> 00:05:41.140 time that we've actually digitally been able to do this. So, uh, Hey, welcome to TCD discord. 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:47.320 I actually, I was just on, uh, with our mighty network friends, um, a couple of minutes ago, 00:05:47.420 --> 00:05:52.860 Elle Michelle was, was in there and a couple others. Uh, we are swan songing our mighty networks 00:05:52.860 --> 00:05:59.480 community. Uh, semi-sonic is singing closing time and, uh, not everybody has to go home, but they, 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:05.360 they can't stay, uh, here. So I'm glad hopefully we're moving everybody over here into the, uh, 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:11.780 into the discord world. Um, I know we've gotten, but everybody should know everybody, maybe not, 00:06:11.860 --> 00:06:17.480 but we've got, uh, at least on my screen, I see flat cap on the left. Layton, the relationships guy, 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:26.000 Andy Mage, Chino, um, is our, um, uh, community, uh, myself, of course, Jeff founder, um, loud mouth. 00:06:26.380 --> 00:06:35.420 Hilmi is, uh, Barbara Carnero, uh, who's our, our connections and, um, uh, communications, uh, person. 00:06:35.420 --> 00:06:42.800 And JMO, Jason Morris is in, uh, Dallas, which is irrelevant or no Austin closer, but, uh, is our, uh, 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:49.340 uh, discipleship director. And so, man, really excited to be here with y'all today in the, in the 00:06:49.340 --> 00:06:56.540 stream. So the reason for this stream, no, I stream every Tuesday at one. Um, but I wanted to bring 00:06:56.540 --> 00:07:04.020 everybody together because I get this question all the time. Like if, if I had a dollar for every time 00:07:04.020 --> 00:07:09.560 I was asked this question, well, I'd have a lot of dollars, but the question I get asked is, um, 00:07:10.580 --> 00:07:16.440 why discord? Why did you move to discord? What was the reason for discord? Um, what's wrong with 00:07:16.440 --> 00:07:20.880 mighty networks? Why do you hate Facebook so much? Like, you know, basically all, all of this kind 00:07:20.880 --> 00:07:28.060 of noise. And so I am like, listen, I can tell you what my motivation was behind it, but I can tell 00:07:28.060 --> 00:07:31.620 you my motivation is different than Andy's and it's different than what Layton thinks. And it's 00:07:31.620 --> 00:07:35.560 different than JMO's. And so it's like, Hey, if we really want to have this, this conversation, 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:40.780 let's have a cohesively and actually get the crowd together in a public environment for the first 00:07:40.780 --> 00:07:47.680 time ever, and start to wrestle with this idea of what discord actually means and the benefit of it 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:54.920 and how we're utilizing it and what the experience has been so far for us. And so, Hey, if you're in 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:59.180 the room chatting, you know, I know Andy kind of welcomed everybody while I was figuring out some 00:07:59.180 --> 00:08:04.200 want my issues and I got plenty of issues, uh, feel free to throw questions in chat and, uh, would love 00:08:04.200 --> 00:08:10.320 to be dialoguing here. Uh, I know we're also streaming this out into the interwebs. Uh, and so 00:08:10.320 --> 00:08:17.840 feel free to, uh, join us. You can join our discord server at discord.thechurch.digital open a new web 00:08:17.840 --> 00:08:22.480 browser discord.thechurch.digital. We'll get you into where we are. And if you're watching on demand, 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:28.580 same thing too. We'd love to have you join in here. Um, and so I, I, and I told the group earlier, 00:08:28.580 --> 00:08:33.240 I was like, I don't have a lot of questions. I'm just going to open this up. Like why discord? 00:08:33.700 --> 00:08:39.400 And since, uh, you know, Andy is actually the director of community and discord is a community. 00:08:39.400 --> 00:08:44.560 I guess that means he should go first. Right? So Andy, why discord? 00:08:45.100 --> 00:08:50.220 Heavy is the head that wears the, the ball cap on that one. Uh, yeah. Hello everybody. Uh, so 00:08:50.220 --> 00:08:54.840 here's why discord, uh, white beard just said it better than I probably can. Cause it's better 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.340 than everything else. There we go. Question, answer, asked and answered. Um, 00:08:58.460 --> 00:09:03.500 Hey, thanks everybody for coming. Have a great night. Shut it down boys. Shut it down. Um, 00:09:04.040 --> 00:09:08.920 here's the thing. We're actually doing something really unique right now. Not as even necessarily 00:09:08.920 --> 00:09:12.240 in discord. So I'm live on three different platforms right now. I am live on riverside 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:18.120 as we record this and send things out to all the interwebs. I am live on discord and I am also 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:23.060 live on a platform called zoom. And the reason I am live on zoom is because we are actually going 00:09:23.060 --> 00:09:27.900 to be holding in about five minutes. We're going to be starting our asynchronous learning 00:09:27.900 --> 00:09:32.440 community. Actually a number of people in here are from our asynchronous learning community. 00:09:32.640 --> 00:09:39.440 Raise your hand in the chat. If you are from, uh, the, if from my learning community, that's 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.480 going to be starting today, just throw it in the chat, throw a gif in the chat. Oh, Michael. 00:09:42.640 --> 00:09:47.980 Yes. Is I guess maybe the raise the hand thing is an invite to speak. I can't. Sorry. We just, 00:09:48.100 --> 00:09:51.960 we can't do that. That's going to get kind of weird. Here's the reason why discord it's because 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:56.160 we can do crazy things like that. We can be live on a number of different platforms. We have this 00:09:56.160 --> 00:10:01.760 advantage of being live and we can do all those things, but also asynchronously, the amount of 00:10:01.760 --> 00:10:07.000 things that happen on discord is just, it's outstanding. It is the best platform out there 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:12.840 for everything that we want to do. We can be nimble. We can be agile. We can stream out to 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:17.280 hundreds of people. We can do behind, you know, Leighton is running and I'm sure he's going to talk 00:10:17.280 --> 00:10:21.240 about some of the community groups he's doing. We can do all of those things. We can have events. 00:10:21.580 --> 00:10:26.240 Hilmi and her team can take care of events. JMO and I have been slowly, but surely working on some 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:31.560 sort of like discipleship pathway platform thing that's been happening behind the scenes there. 00:10:31.560 --> 00:10:36.780 That's all happening in discord. That's all happening right within this, this app, 00:10:36.860 --> 00:10:40.680 whether you're watching it on a browser or on your phone or on your tablet or on your actual 00:10:40.680 --> 00:10:46.100 downloaded app, that's all happening right here. And it's outstanding that we get to do things like 00:10:46.100 --> 00:10:54.080 that. That's why. Awesome. That was a very kind of short approach. And by the way, nice plug on 00:10:54.080 --> 00:11:00.780 the learning community that's, that's happening right now. And so to me, um, it's, it's an opportunity. 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:07.660 When I look at what digital community is and how we're utilizing and engaging with it. Um, 00:11:07.660 --> 00:11:16.460 it was just, it's so hard to get that engagement from a technical standpoint, uh, on, on mighty networks or, 00:11:16.460 --> 00:11:22.440 or even on Facebook at this point, and, you know, battling the algorithms of Facebook compared to the energy 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:27.860 that comes in here with, with what we're feeling in discord. And so, you know, I love the fact that 00:11:27.860 --> 00:11:31.600 we've got, we've got a learning community that that's literally starting today, right? Today's 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.880 the first day, Andy. Yeah. Like in four minutes, I'm going to say, Hey everybody, we're going over to 00:11:35.880 --> 00:11:40.700 zoom. Yep. It's, you know, literally starting today, talking about the, the, the power of 00:11:40.700 --> 00:11:46.480 asynchronous and how to utilize asynchronous to the highest capacity. And, and even as we're looking 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:51.920 at holding asynchronous community, digital community to a higher standard, you know, and looking and 00:11:51.920 --> 00:11:58.960 seeing, okay, man, discord from, from a feature set is really giving us, us that, um, that power. 00:11:59.700 --> 00:12:03.820 Um, so, you know, Andy, I know you've got to leave like in three minutes. And so, you know, 00:12:03.820 --> 00:12:07.240 I want to give opportunities for you, man, any other thoughts before we move on? 00:12:07.920 --> 00:12:12.180 No, that's it. Uh, I am going to direct everybody from my learning community. Hey, 00:12:12.180 --> 00:12:15.920 let's go head over to zoom. If you don't have the zoom link, it's going to be in another thing that 00:12:15.920 --> 00:12:22.020 we get to do. I get to shut off areas of the discord server. We have an entirely async learning 00:12:22.020 --> 00:12:26.600 community area where most of you can't see, ha ha ha. You need to join my learning community 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:30.880 to go see the fun that's going to be happening there. Um, you can hit the link in that async 00:12:30.880 --> 00:12:35.260 learning community. We're heading over to zoom right now. I love you guys. Thanks for hanging 00:12:35.260 --> 00:12:41.360 out for a little bit. You know, you kind of feel a little bit like this is the time where the 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:46.560 children's church gets dismissed from the, from the main building and everybody kind of goes in 00:12:46.560 --> 00:12:51.220 their separate directions. And like the adults are left. I'm kidding. I'm not directly implying. 00:12:51.220 --> 00:12:55.480 Are you going to sing Jesus loves me right now? No, I was, I was going to ask if, 00:12:55.520 --> 00:12:59.560 if like Layton was going to, if he was preaching the children's sermon or when he was done, but no, 00:12:59.580 --> 00:13:03.740 I think that's, that's, uh, that's good. I grew up Methodist. We, I, that's like hard coded into 00:13:03.740 --> 00:13:09.660 my body. This is what we have to do. Okay. Goodbye. I've got people showing up at zoom. Goodbye, 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:17.280 everybody. Bye. See ya. Um, and, uh, so, Hey, um, where did, where'd it go? Or he, he just left my 00:13:17.280 --> 00:13:22.400 screen. And so I, I kind of wigged out there for a second. It went black. Um, I mean, like, 00:13:22.400 --> 00:13:30.620 let's open it up flat cap. You're, you're next. And I would say probably I I'm, I'm, I'm saying 00:13:30.620 --> 00:13:35.660 something. I don't mean to be judgmental, um, about anybody that's on the screen, but I would 00:13:35.660 --> 00:13:43.120 say that Andy and Layton were probably more comfortable in the discord environments over 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:48.580 myself, Barbara and Jason. Like, I mean, I had a discord account, but to be honest, I'm more, 00:13:48.580 --> 00:13:54.740 I was more of a slack person just in my context than, than it, uh, Jason's shaking said yes. 00:13:54.740 --> 00:13:59.160 And I know Jason spends a ton of time with, with slack, uh, in, in his work, Barbara probably 00:13:59.160 --> 00:14:04.100 would agree to that. She's a metaverse gal, but she, you know, we didn't have a lot of discord 00:14:04.100 --> 00:14:09.520 experience. And so, you know, flat cap is, as we were looking at, at discord and talking about 00:14:09.520 --> 00:14:13.020 this, like what have been some, what's some of the why for you and some of the wins for 00:14:13.020 --> 00:14:19.040 you moving over to discord? I think some of it is as I've been in other places, like 00:14:19.040 --> 00:14:24.340 on Facebook, something will be in my feed. And then suddenly people are no longer in my 00:14:24.340 --> 00:14:29.160 feed. They disappear. The algorithm changes. And suddenly I don't have people, uh, when 00:14:29.160 --> 00:14:35.340 we were on mighty networks, uh, we would have really good engagement over a two week period 00:14:35.340 --> 00:14:40.560 of time. And then people would disappear for two months because it wasn't the place they 00:14:40.560 --> 00:14:47.900 were already on already engaged. And it was one more place they had to open up and go check. 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:52.520 And when you got notifications, you didn't always open the app. You didn't always check the email. 00:14:52.620 --> 00:14:59.480 You just kind of went, yeah, okay. Uh, I'll get to it when I can. Uh, and in discord, like, 00:14:59.820 --> 00:15:05.860 I'll, I'll be honest, all of those who are new to discord, I was there three years ago learning this 00:15:05.860 --> 00:15:10.880 and I hung around for about a year, just kind of going, I don't know what I'm doing. Uh, I set one 00:15:10.880 --> 00:15:17.220 up. I don't know how to do these things, but it is so integrated with all kinds of things. Like we 00:15:17.220 --> 00:15:22.680 can go live in here. Like Andy was mentioning, we can have a private group over here. So we're not in 00:15:22.680 --> 00:15:27.340 another location. But if you think about a small group within a church, you have a small group, 00:15:27.340 --> 00:15:32.640 but you're still in the community with the whole of the church. You can have whole gatherings with 00:15:32.640 --> 00:15:40.240 everybody. Like I have not found a limit yet of what you can do in discord and to be connected. 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:45.880 And the other thing is I can quickly give a thumbs up to something when I do not have time 00:15:45.880 --> 00:15:52.440 to take and make comments, but I'm still engaged in the community on a level I can be. And when I 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:58.540 have time to be more engaged, I can be more engaged, but I don't lose the, I'm out over 00:15:58.540 --> 00:16:03.560 here. Don't have any idea, any clue what's going on. Uh, so there's a whole bunch of stuff 00:16:03.560 --> 00:16:08.900 like that, that I think is just really neat. That discord allows, uh, that it's like a combination 00:16:08.900 --> 00:16:15.580 of every other platform out there all in one place. And we kind of own our own server. We 00:16:15.580 --> 00:16:21.440 are the ones in control of it. We establish what's acceptable, what's not acceptable. I know we've got 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:27.080 the bots helping us do those kinds of things and welcome people, but it's really about the people 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:33.000 who are engaged, uh, on and on and on as things happen in there. So I guess that's kind of my big 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:40.940 picture overview of it. Yeah. Um, mighty networks, we struggled in the deal. The deal with mighty 00:16:40.940 --> 00:16:47.740 networks is, um, you know, Facebook, you're battling the algorithm. And so as trying to get 00:16:47.740 --> 00:16:54.540 in front of people. And so, you know, move to mighty networks actually took us out of, um, 00:16:54.640 --> 00:17:00.560 battling the algorithm. And, and so the idea was, well, our, our community, our, our content, 00:17:00.640 --> 00:17:07.760 our connection needs to be strong enough to get people to check another inbox. Um, and, and, 00:17:07.760 --> 00:17:14.060 you know, I'm, I'm, I'm not saying we, we failed at that. Uh, but at some point, you know, 00:17:14.380 --> 00:17:24.060 muting, uh, push notifications, um, filtering, you know, away from that. And even the, even 00:17:24.060 --> 00:17:30.740 though the wall, uh, structure of like, uh, Facebook and mighty networks of how there's a post 00:17:30.740 --> 00:17:38.020 and then the dialogue with it, um, it just felt, um, I'm using the word archaic. I don't mean it 00:17:38.020 --> 00:17:44.660 that way, but it felt us centric. Um, you know, it's, it's interesting. I've been, I've been wrestling 00:17:44.660 --> 00:17:49.320 with this and I'll, I'll write a blog on this at some point or do a stream or something. Uh, and 00:17:49.320 --> 00:17:54.020 actually I would love to maybe sit around Jason one day and I have this conversation, but the difference 00:17:54.020 --> 00:18:01.800 between digital community and social media because digital social media, like Facebook posting on 00:18:01.800 --> 00:18:07.980 Facebook or like a Facebook page or, or a personal profile or Instagram, having an Instagram, like 00:18:07.980 --> 00:18:15.480 it's very organizational centric. Let me the organization, let me the individual tell you the 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:21.300 audience what to think. And then you can thumbs up emoji or you can comment on it, but it's very 00:18:21.300 --> 00:18:28.160 centric around the individual, the organization. Um, now digital community, like what we're able to 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:36.040 achieve with discord, man, it's not very organizational centric. It's, it, it, it empowers the individuals 00:18:36.040 --> 00:18:41.580 to, to speak. It's not us respond. It's not the organization telling the individual what to think. 00:18:41.580 --> 00:18:47.400 It's the organization speaking and us, the, the, uh, the organization responding. Like, I mean, 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:53.600 the great example of this is literally happening right now in, in chat, um, white beard throws a, 00:18:53.600 --> 00:18:59.960 a chat right now from pastor Coco. Uh, please pray for everyone in Texas, including me who went 00:18:59.960 --> 00:19:06.100 through barrel, uh, are without power under heat advisory of a 105, et cetera, et cetera. There are 00:19:06.100 --> 00:19:10.040 many who have lost refrigerator food and can't work because of the power outages. That's the hurricane 00:19:10.040 --> 00:19:15.420 that hit down there in Texas, right? And so up there where I am in Texas. And so, um, I mean, 00:19:15.560 --> 00:19:23.120 listen, I've, I've lived in Texas for 105, 110, um, summers. And so, yeah, yeah, we, we need to, 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:27.560 we need to be praying for them. J-Mo, you're not, that's far, that's further away from you. You're 00:19:27.560 --> 00:19:32.740 not, that's not impacting you where you are, is it? I assume. No, we just got a good rain. That's all. 00:19:33.580 --> 00:19:37.420 Yeah. That's, that's the thing with hurricanes. Some people get devastated and some people are like, 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:44.620 eh, knock down a branch. Um, but, um, man, taking, thank you, uh, white beard for that and taking the, 00:19:44.620 --> 00:19:51.560 you know, that's his, uh, initiative to, to speak into this, not, oh, I need to wait for somebody to 00:19:51.560 --> 00:19:55.180 do this and I don't have the permissions, authority, whatever. It's, it's a digital community. It's open 00:19:55.180 --> 00:20:02.940 to that. And that's where I think a lot of digital community is different than social media, which is 00:20:02.940 --> 00:20:10.020 actually why I think a lot of churches are negative on digital community because they look at digital 00:20:10.020 --> 00:20:17.220 community as social media. Well, of course you can't have real digital community on an Instagram profile 00:20:17.220 --> 00:20:24.340 or a, or a Facebook page because. Well, Jeff, it depends on, it depends on what you're trying to do. 00:20:24.740 --> 00:20:32.640 So I think, I think one of the things that, uh, I'm getting from all of you, there is a mirror 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:41.600 to what happens architecturally in the physical space. So a lot of times churches will say, okay, 00:20:41.600 --> 00:20:48.000 we're not going to go to your thing. We're asking you to come to ours. Um, that would be like mighty 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:53.860 networks where you come to our building, you know, I'm not going to go to your building. I'm not going 00:20:53.860 --> 00:21:01.620 to go to your bar. I'm not going to go to the, the, your golf course. I'm not going to go to your gym. 00:21:02.260 --> 00:21:08.340 I'm going to ask you, and we have whole systems around this. I'm going to ask you to come to my 00:21:08.340 --> 00:21:13.460 thing where I'm in this controlled environment physically, you know, for a Sunday service. 00:21:14.020 --> 00:21:21.620 That would be like what mighty networks does. And it can do things in that closed environment that, 00:21:21.620 --> 00:21:27.660 uh, eliminate distractions and other environments. But now you're talking about, okay, 00:21:28.320 --> 00:21:36.020 the basic philosophical idea of, are we going to ask you to be the missionary or are we going to go to 00:21:36.020 --> 00:21:42.840 you? Right. That's one of the differences. If we're going to you, we need to be aware of the 00:21:42.840 --> 00:21:48.480 cultural context and the environments in which we're dropping into. Yeah. So when I drop into 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:57.220 a building that has a bunch of rows and a stage and a podium, the building signals to me 00:21:57.220 --> 00:22:06.940 what kind of activities I can do and what kind of activities are not appreciated. Whereas if I go into 00:22:06.940 --> 00:22:13.360 another building and there's a bunch of tables with row, the tables with, uh, round tables with, 00:22:13.360 --> 00:22:21.080 and they're all facing each other. Right. Or, and there is no central place. When I walk into that 00:22:21.080 --> 00:22:30.160 building architecturally, I know already what types of activities are, um, are wanted and what types of 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:35.800 activities are not wanted. And in the digital space, it's very similar. When you drop into 00:22:35.800 --> 00:22:47.760 Facebook, there's a certain kind of, um, doom scrolling, media blasting sort of thing that, that particular 00:22:47.760 --> 00:22:56.200 architect, that digital architecture is looking for. And in discord, it's a different architecture 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:05.080 that is expecting a different type of interaction with people. And I think where churches get stuck is 00:23:05.080 --> 00:23:10.840 in the physical space, we're very used to a particular type of interacting with people 00:23:10.840 --> 00:23:16.160 in a broadcast form because there's a stage and there's rows and, you know, all the things. So 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:22.120 we're used to broadcast in the physical space. And so we just mirror that in the digital space. 00:23:22.560 --> 00:23:26.640 And of course, discord doesn't jive with that because that's not what discord is about. 00:23:27.020 --> 00:23:30.260 Discord is about conversations like these. Yeah. 00:23:30.800 --> 00:23:38.340 But what is interesting is discord is also very flexible in that you can have live streams that 00:23:38.340 --> 00:23:44.720 broadcast and you can have more, um, intimate conversations like we're having right now. 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:52.220 And those intimate conversations can be public too. So what discord does is it unlocks a lot of 00:23:52.220 --> 00:24:00.560 possibilities for the types of differing interactions that a church should be doing anyway. A church should 00:24:00.560 --> 00:24:07.660 not just have a Sunday service broadcast message and you're done. If that's all churches, 00:24:07.660 --> 00:24:14.780 churches, well, then there is no real reason for us to gather because a podcast could do that or a TV 00:24:14.780 --> 00:24:24.000 show could do that much better, right? There's really no reason. However, if church is the one 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:30.900 another's, if church is a community, a gathering of people that love one another, care for one another, 00:24:31.040 --> 00:24:37.420 pray for one another, all of these other things that occur, well, all right, maybe we should 00:24:37.420 --> 00:24:45.500 pick a digital space that allows for both types of human interactions in the digital form, 00:24:45.540 --> 00:24:52.100 like we hope occur in the physical form. And I feel like discord gives us that kind of flexibility 00:24:52.100 --> 00:24:58.900 that we don't have. And at the same time, like discord gives us that kind of flexibility that we don't 00:24:58.900 --> 00:25:25.420 have. And at the same time, we're going to where people are. So people are in Facebook, people are in discord and discord gives us flexibility. So in my mind, it's like, okay, win, win, done. Let's do this. Let's figure it out. And we discovered in that flexibility that we could have conversations like this. And we could do all kinds of things that we weren't able to do before because the architecture didn't allow it. 00:25:26.900 --> 00:25:56.880 I just did a lot of talking. 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:04.600 Well, they've never really figured out that social space, that 25 people, that 30 people kind of thing. 00:26:05.040 --> 00:26:28.680 And it's, you know, Daniel M's done a lot of research in this talking about like the, the fun kind of the environment. And this is the social space is really where you break down mistrust and where you build trust with people. And when I look at what digital community is, the engagement, the dialoguing, it's really that, that social space. And Barbara, I know you were, you were talking, I cut you off. I'm sorry. Go ahead. 00:26:29.040 --> 00:26:32.800 Oh, no, I was not. I was actually just applauding Jason. That was awesome. 00:26:32.860 --> 00:26:42.440 Jason. That was awesome. I learned new language. Now you just gave me new language to describe some things that I, you know, it was, it was pretty awesome. 00:26:43.020 --> 00:26:59.300 And what came to my mind and I remember our initial conversations about like which platforms to keep. And, and there was even a desire to like, let's keep them all, you know, but that is your traditional, you know, pastor conversation saying we serve everybody and everybody's welcome. 00:26:59.300 --> 00:27:09.720 And that is a reality of a desire of our hearts to serve everybody. And I think TCD is prepared to serve many. Um, but deep inside, we can only serve some well. 00:27:09.860 --> 00:27:21.040 And so when, when it comes to the, the, the ability to serve, uh, equip, disciple, train and, and be present, really, there's only so much we can do. 00:27:21.120 --> 00:27:33.640 And I'm not even talking about, you know, financial resources. I'm talking about the depth and the time that is spent. And, you know, because we can multiply all we want, but then if we're not getting to that level of depth, 00:27:33.860 --> 00:27:45.280 you're basically just going to have a very superficial thing. And so what we, what we've noticed is that whatever's, whatever would be driving people towards TCD will remain. 00:27:45.580 --> 00:27:58.100 So if somebody is, you know, someone is finding us through a podcast, if someone is finding us through a blog post or because they met you at a conference, those paths towards TCD would still exist. 00:27:58.100 --> 00:28:07.900 And so it doesn't matter who that person is, but deep inside, there's a specific design that God has given TCD to serve and to equip and to disciple. 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:12.160 And we needed to figure out who that person was and that person was in discord. 00:28:13.020 --> 00:28:23.060 Uh, and so we had to, we had to come to the conclusion that, um, many can come to us at slow paces, but we can only go in one direction fast. 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:31.400 And so to gain that momentum and to go in, in a, in a way that is not accelerated because we're rushing, but because we want to multiply, right. 00:28:31.860 --> 00:28:33.320 Uh, we had to pick one direction. 00:28:33.700 --> 00:28:39.100 Um, and it was, it was, uh, you know, I go back to the Bible. 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:45.640 Like for me, there's a very deep meaning towards the moment when Jesus said, I had to go through Samaria. 00:28:45.800 --> 00:28:47.700 I had to, he had to go through it. 00:28:47.780 --> 00:28:52.040 And that decision to say he had to was actually because of one person. 00:28:52.760 --> 00:28:53.880 It was one person. 00:28:54.040 --> 00:28:58.640 And that was, that was what created this such a strong direction for him. 00:28:59.100 --> 00:29:01.620 Um, and we have to, Hey, this is me. 00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:01.840 Okay. 00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:03.680 Like that's one question I get. 00:29:03.760 --> 00:29:06.940 I ask God often, or maybe he, he asked me the question off. 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:08.680 I was like, would you do it for just one? 00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:10.740 And my answer to him is always the same. 00:29:10.800 --> 00:29:12.760 God, no, I would not do it for just one. 00:29:12.840 --> 00:29:18.400 That's just a waste of my time, waste of my effort, but the deep inside, it's like, Oh man, 00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:24.320 I know exactly what he's trying to tell me, you know, and are we willing to create something 00:29:24.320 --> 00:29:26.820 like TCD just for one individual? 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:32.820 And I know that's a hard question, but we have to, I don't know that that's the question. 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:38.240 I mean, I get, I get what you're saying, but it wasn't just one. 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:41.820 It was one, exactly. 00:29:42.300 --> 00:29:48.480 It was one, one key person that was going to unlock the whole village. 00:29:49.320 --> 00:29:54.800 So, and his, and this is, this is something that you're, um, I love the way that you framed 00:29:54.800 --> 00:30:02.580 it is if you're just thinking about one in a mindset of addition, I don't know that it's 00:30:02.580 --> 00:30:02.920 worth it. 00:30:03.120 --> 00:30:09.280 If you're thinking of one with a mindset of multiplication all day long. 00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:11.100 Yes, absolutely. 00:30:12.220 --> 00:30:12.420 Yeah. 00:30:12.580 --> 00:30:12.780 Yeah. 00:30:12.840 --> 00:30:19.560 And we, we, we realized that there is an individual that is praying for something like TCD to exist. 00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.560 And that person is in this board. 00:30:21.560 --> 00:30:28.120 And so for us, it was a matter of simply saying, Hey, can we put together, um, a, a communication 00:30:28.120 --> 00:30:35.360 structure, um, a discipleship plan, uh, content strategy, like all of these things that could 00:30:35.360 --> 00:30:40.820 speak to that person in a way that would feel so intimate in the sense of like, man, they 00:30:40.820 --> 00:30:42.760 know me, they understand me. 00:30:42.760 --> 00:30:44.800 They, they see me, they heard me. 00:30:44.800 --> 00:30:49.640 They know me to the same level that Jesus taught, taught, you know, said to the woman, 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:52.280 like, I know you had five, right. 00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:58.320 There was a level of intimacy and no, and like she felt known yet with no judgment. 00:30:58.320 --> 00:30:58.640 Right. 00:30:58.700 --> 00:31:02.400 So, uh, it's, it's a matter of, because let's, let's be honest. 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.540 I believe there's a, there are a lot of people out there with a great desire to start something 00:31:06.540 --> 00:31:12.660 digitally and wherever they turn, everywhere they look, everybody's kind of pointing a finger 00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:14.820 saying, that's just crazy. 00:31:15.380 --> 00:31:16.620 Well, that's not how things go. 00:31:16.740 --> 00:31:17.980 That's not how it should be done. 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:18.880 You know? 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:26.860 So they, and Barbara, I love, I love that particular story that you told because what Jesus didn't 00:31:26.860 --> 00:31:33.980 say was, Hey, you need to come to the temple, even though that's what the woman at the well 00:31:33.980 --> 00:31:35.360 thought he was going to say. 00:31:35.900 --> 00:31:36.340 Right. 00:31:36.580 --> 00:31:41.540 And that kind of ties into this whole discord conversation, because if we're going to be 00:31:41.540 --> 00:31:47.560 reaching people to reach people, we need to reach people where they are in the context of 00:31:47.560 --> 00:31:50.880 their relational network, not ours. 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:59.040 So that's why Jesus went to Samaria, to that Samaritan village, so that she could run to 00:31:59.040 --> 00:32:06.020 the village quickly and tell all the village around her, look at, you know, listen to this 00:32:06.020 --> 00:32:07.620 prophet who told me everything that I did. 00:32:08.260 --> 00:32:15.920 So if we try to create our own platform, we, in essence, are creating a separation between 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:21.500 us and that person's network that we're trying to reach. 00:32:21.820 --> 00:32:26.020 And the nice thing about discord is you can have multiple servers going on at the same time. 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.060 So if they're already in discord, well, we are too. 00:32:29.560 --> 00:32:33.040 And they, it's more, it's more slippery. 00:32:33.380 --> 00:32:41.380 It's less friction for them to then tell their friends, because it's all using the same platform 00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:47.000 that they're already in anyway, instead of having them tell their friends, Hey, come join 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.800 me on this other webpage that you've never heard of before. 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:50.920 Right. 00:32:51.360 --> 00:32:52.520 That's never going to happen. 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:58.180 And one of the other things that I think about too is, and I got to get this one little 00:32:58.180 --> 00:32:58.560 thing out. 00:32:58.620 --> 00:33:06.260 It's going to sound a little bit tangential, but I, I feel like there is a whole group of 00:33:06.260 --> 00:33:13.560 people that are used to doing online digital church in the traditional way, which is kind 00:33:13.560 --> 00:33:21.140 of odd that I'm even saying that because we've been doing this now for what, almost 15 years. 00:33:21.140 --> 00:33:24.780 There are already digital traditions in church. 00:33:25.820 --> 00:33:26.020 Okay. 00:33:26.260 --> 00:33:34.060 So we need to think through like, you know, I got nothing bad to say about CHOP, except 00:33:34.060 --> 00:33:37.120 that it's not a church online platform. 00:33:37.700 --> 00:33:40.120 It's a church service online platform. 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:45.840 That's the problem because it limits you to the Sunday only experience. 00:33:46.800 --> 00:33:48.240 What if, right? 00:33:48.360 --> 00:33:52.680 We were to, here's, here's the transitional life form that I think is going to take us into 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:53.160 the future. 00:33:53.620 --> 00:33:59.660 What if we, instead of using a CHOP webpage that we still have the live stream, we still 00:33:59.660 --> 00:34:05.960 do that on Sunday, but instead of the CHOP chat, we have an embedded discord chat of a 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:06.340 channel. 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:07.380 Right. 00:34:08.060 --> 00:34:10.380 So that two things happen. 00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:18.120 One is it crosses over these worlds that we have between the discord audience and the normal 00:34:18.120 --> 00:34:20.120 Sunday person who's just supplementing. 00:34:20.300 --> 00:34:24.980 They get access to the people who are doing community 24 seven. 00:34:25.640 --> 00:34:33.880 And at the same time, we are giving those people, we're exposing both groups of people to each 00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:41.380 other and both groups to an expression of church that perhaps they haven't been exposed to yet. 00:34:41.780 --> 00:34:48.000 Because there is the big, you know, temple courts experience, but there's also the house to house 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:53.180 experience that both need to be aware of each other for the synergy to occur. 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:53.960 Yeah. 00:34:54.680 --> 00:35:01.660 There's actually churches right now, Jason, that are streaming from Rezzy into discord. 00:35:01.940 --> 00:35:05.580 Like, I don't know if you know, but that's, that's what they're like churches. 00:35:05.720 --> 00:35:06.240 There are a couple. 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.220 I'm actually trying to find one. 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:10.580 They're, they're, they're trying to get me a name to have a conversation. 00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:13.660 The guy's like, Oh yeah, so-and-so does that, but they haven't been able to tell me who 00:35:13.660 --> 00:35:13.900 yet. 00:35:14.160 --> 00:35:19.000 But, uh, there, there are several I've been told that, that are doing it because there are a couple 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:25.160 of churches that are starting to recognize that discord does have that community aspect beyond, 00:35:25.160 --> 00:35:29.780 you know, chops experience, uh, in for the, for the one hour. 00:35:30.040 --> 00:35:36.120 And so you get all the moderation tools on the discord side that, you know, you wouldn't normally 00:35:36.120 --> 00:35:38.720 have with just an average open chat. 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:45.460 You can have your private volunteer stuff and other discord channels and still manage it much 00:35:45.460 --> 00:35:47.360 like chop would manage those. 00:35:47.520 --> 00:35:54.020 Um, I, I think there's real potential there because you have a platform that can, that's 00:35:54.020 --> 00:35:54.720 so flexible. 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.020 You can use it in a lot of different ways to bridge into your other environments. 00:35:59.260 --> 00:35:59.700 Yeah. 00:35:59.860 --> 00:36:02.020 As, as a matter of fact, I should go ahead, go ahead. 00:36:02.060 --> 00:36:02.380 Flack app. 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:08.160 I was going to say, speaking of bridging, we are bridging right now already outside of the 00:36:08.160 --> 00:36:13.220 United States, which a lot of the other platforms don't necessarily do that. 00:36:13.220 --> 00:36:18.800 They will segregate you in some level into your continent within those platforms. 00:36:19.200 --> 00:36:21.480 Discord does not do that at all. 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.980 Uh, Barbara's not even on the same continent with the rest of us right now. 00:36:25.060 --> 00:36:30.160 There, there are people from other continents who are watching us, who are in the chat, who 00:36:30.160 --> 00:36:32.160 are, who are on discord right now. 00:36:32.220 --> 00:36:39.380 And when you have a community that can be growing globally, not just geographically, but globally, 00:36:39.380 --> 00:36:45.980 you have a lot of other things going on and excitement and like, I can get off and go to 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:47.340 bed at 10 o'clock my time. 00:36:47.340 --> 00:36:52.120 And somebody might be getting up and joining the conversation when I'm going to bed. 00:36:52.120 --> 00:36:55.580 The conversation doesn't stop based on my timeframe. 00:36:55.700 --> 00:37:00.700 It doesn't stop based upon here are the business hours of the church. 00:37:00.700 --> 00:37:04.480 It is global community can happen simultaneously. 00:37:04.900 --> 00:37:09.500 Even if I'm not involved in all the different places, uh, it can be happening with and without 00:37:09.500 --> 00:37:09.800 me. 00:37:10.200 --> 00:37:10.640 Yeah. 00:37:10.700 --> 00:37:12.400 So let's, let's nerd out a little bit. 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:18.500 I'm going to take you down a path of like, you know, um, but, uh, this, these are the 00:37:18.500 --> 00:37:20.540 places where my brain kind of goes. 00:37:20.540 --> 00:37:20.760 Yeah. 00:37:21.120 --> 00:37:27.560 And so, um, you know, we have this idea of time, uh, in, let's just go back to the very 00:37:27.560 --> 00:37:27.920 beginning. 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.700 Like, and I actually shared this on this board a while ago when we first started the 00:37:31.700 --> 00:37:32.000 channel. 00:37:32.540 --> 00:37:38.160 Um, one of the, one of the things that got, had me like literally stuck on Genesis 1, 1 for 00:37:38.160 --> 00:37:38.840 a long time. 00:37:39.220 --> 00:37:41.260 And it was like, I couldn't read anything else. 00:37:41.260 --> 00:37:42.940 And I couldn't even get to verse number two. 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:43.260 Yeah. 00:37:43.300 --> 00:37:44.300 It was like, okay. 00:37:44.300 --> 00:37:47.580 In the beginning, God created, it was like, I know he's trying to show me something and 00:37:47.580 --> 00:37:50.360 I cannot figure out what it is because I couldn't read anything else. 00:37:50.700 --> 00:37:52.920 And in some point in time, it dawned on me. 00:37:53.200 --> 00:37:55.560 I was like, what was the first thing that he created? 00:37:55.560 --> 00:37:57.580 It was not the heavens of the earth. 00:37:57.860 --> 00:38:03.960 It was time because he says in the beginning, so it was like, time was the first thing he 00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:04.260 created. 00:38:04.680 --> 00:38:09.940 And so it was fascinating to me that God was showing me that there was a moment where time 00:38:09.940 --> 00:38:10.640 didn't exist. 00:38:10.640 --> 00:38:13.360 And then the timeline started and all that kind of stuff. 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:17.220 Well, we've been living on one timeline for a long time. 00:38:18.040 --> 00:38:23.080 So that one timeline, you know, time keeps going and, you know, days and hours and whatever 00:38:23.080 --> 00:38:24.920 and weeks and years and all of that. 00:38:25.780 --> 00:38:31.760 Now we have access to two timelines, one in real life and one digitally. 00:38:33.520 --> 00:38:35.980 These are happening simultaneously. 00:38:35.980 --> 00:38:42.060 And what is interesting is that there's whole generation, like Gen Z and potentially Gen 00:38:42.060 --> 00:38:42.560 Alpha. 00:38:43.060 --> 00:38:46.180 For them, life happens digitally. 00:38:46.860 --> 00:38:51.580 IRL is just the things you get to, you have to do. 00:38:52.520 --> 00:38:56.400 So when, and not, not, it's not for everybody, but there's definitely a shift. 00:38:56.460 --> 00:39:01.060 You're going to see that there's two parallel timelines and you will have. 00:39:01.060 --> 00:39:02.220 I want to double click on that. 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:03.020 What do you mean? 00:39:04.080 --> 00:39:05.980 Because right now I feel like I'm in one. 00:39:06.080 --> 00:39:09.460 Are you saying that there's a sync timeline and an async timeline? 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:10.860 Is that what you're saying? 00:39:11.100 --> 00:39:12.460 We're like totally meta now. 00:39:12.680 --> 00:39:13.140 It's multiverse. 00:39:13.300 --> 00:39:14.080 It's multiverse. 00:39:14.080 --> 00:39:15.740 Think Loki season two. 00:39:16.620 --> 00:39:17.020 Totally. 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:17.540 Totally. 00:39:17.700 --> 00:39:19.080 But, but think about it from this angle. 00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:19.940 Video games. 00:39:20.040 --> 00:39:22.940 A few years ago, you turn on the game, you play, you leave the game. 00:39:23.040 --> 00:39:24.740 The game stays where it was. 00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:27.220 It doesn't happen that way anymore. 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:28.660 You go in the game. 00:39:28.820 --> 00:39:31.280 The game will continue if you leave the game. 00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:36.480 Like there's a parallel timeline that's happening just digitally in the metaverse and video games 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:42.100 and, and all of these things like, and so this board is basically giving you access to a complete 00:39:42.100 --> 00:39:45.060 different life that is happening just digitally. 00:39:45.240 --> 00:39:52.200 And you're going to see like groups of people in Gen Z and down where life happens digitally. 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.320 That's where life happens for them. 00:39:55.020 --> 00:40:01.020 IRL is just for the things they have to do like hygiene and eat and, you know, like, but 00:40:01.020 --> 00:40:06.880 the life community conversations, engagement, like all of these things for them are happening 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:07.460 online. 00:40:07.580 --> 00:40:12.400 And that timeline is happening simultaneously with real life, just digitally. 00:40:13.020 --> 00:40:13.740 So yeah. 00:40:13.820 --> 00:40:18.060 Anyway, that's the kind of stuff that keeps me up at night, you know, crazy thoughts like 00:40:18.060 --> 00:40:18.320 that. 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.000 That's one of the reasons, you know, when I used to, we used to talk a lot, I wrote a 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:27.180 book on virtual reality churches and actually in the church when the first draft of the book 00:40:27.180 --> 00:40:31.840 as I was writing, I would write like in the metaverse and in the real world. 00:40:32.260 --> 00:40:35.280 And, and, and, and I was convicted when I was writing. 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:43.280 I was like, I can't keep calling IRL in real life because the metaverse is real. 00:40:43.460 --> 00:40:47.540 Like if I call one real, it's implying that the other is not, it's, I'm actually slamming 00:40:47.540 --> 00:40:48.660 the metaverse. 00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:55.900 And so like, I actually went back and struck all the IRL references because the other is 00:40:55.900 --> 00:40:56.180 real. 00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:57.880 Now it's, it's asynchronous. 00:40:58.140 --> 00:40:59.620 It's outside of time. 00:40:59.720 --> 00:41:04.040 It does operate in a, you know, Jason's giving the weird look right now. 00:41:04.040 --> 00:41:06.520 It's a tangential approach kind of thing. 00:41:07.060 --> 00:41:10.240 Um, if with that, I'm still trying to, I'm still trying to wrap my brain around. 00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.700 IPL, IPL versus IRL. 00:41:13.700 --> 00:41:20.540 I must be missing something because in my mind I'm thinking, okay, my brain can only be in 00:41:20.540 --> 00:41:22.040 one place at one time. 00:41:22.580 --> 00:41:27.460 Whether it is doing a digital function and or physical function. 00:41:27.540 --> 00:41:30.560 Like right now I am physically in Georgetown. 00:41:31.100 --> 00:41:34.840 I'm also digitally in this space at the same time. 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:35.540 I get that. 00:41:35.820 --> 00:41:41.180 But when it comes to time, I can't be in two times at the same time. 00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:42.440 Right. 00:41:42.860 --> 00:41:49.980 Unless, unless, unless we're talking about async, where things happen, whether or not I'm engaged 00:41:49.980 --> 00:41:50.660 with them or not. 00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:58.060 A conversation I can jump into and then jump out of and time flip the conversation in a 00:41:58.060 --> 00:42:02.880 way where it's, the conversation is on demand in an async form. 00:42:03.060 --> 00:42:09.140 I kind of get that, but it doesn't change the fact that I only have 24 hours in a day. 00:42:10.520 --> 00:42:11.520 Does that make sense? 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:12.580 Yeah. 00:42:12.680 --> 00:42:13.380 And I agree with you. 00:42:13.460 --> 00:42:17.580 I don't think we're, we're bending time by any means, but according to White Beard, you're 00:42:17.580 --> 00:42:18.100 just old. 00:42:18.220 --> 00:42:21.200 So I'm going to go with that because I don't know how to explain it to you. 00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:21.880 No, I'm just kidding. 00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:24.440 But yeah, I'm just kidding. 00:42:24.560 --> 00:42:30.560 So it's just, it's just an interesting idea how I think we created a different place to 00:42:30.560 --> 00:42:33.940 live in the same timeline that we have in real life. 00:42:34.820 --> 00:42:35.260 Okay. 00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:35.980 That I get. 00:42:36.460 --> 00:42:36.860 Yes. 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:42.760 And that place has its own timeline in a way. 00:42:43.620 --> 00:42:47.080 Its own, its own community, its own engagement, its own life. 00:42:47.720 --> 00:42:53.700 It's, it's the, the, a metaverse community is living outside of the physical community time. 00:42:53.700 --> 00:42:59.780 And so we're, listen, JMO is the ultimate realist trying to unpack everything here. 00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:05.780 And Hilmi is the ultimate dreamer, you know, and so it's like, this is what staff meetings 00:43:05.780 --> 00:43:06.560 are like people. 00:43:06.700 --> 00:43:08.080 I just, I want you to understand. 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:13.580 And I'm like, look, I only got you guys for 60 minutes and so-and-so's leaving in four. 00:43:13.660 --> 00:43:15.160 We got to be like, let's go, let's go, let's go. 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:16.360 All right. 00:43:17.340 --> 00:43:19.640 Let's, so let's, let's clean things up a little bit. 00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:21.480 Flatcap, I want to throw it back to you. 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:22.720 There was a question. 00:43:22.720 --> 00:43:24.300 And I forget who asked it. 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:27.040 Vernet, I think asked it, man, maybe like half an hour ago. 00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:35.620 Discord, like how, using Zoom and some of the other, other software, like talk to us a little 00:43:35.620 --> 00:43:41.640 bit with what groups is, within Discord, Flatcap and kind of like what model you have. 00:43:41.680 --> 00:43:46.480 We were talking a lot about sitting down at the coffee tables and in conversations. 00:43:47.120 --> 00:43:49.840 How does that happen in Discord from a practical standpoint? 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:57.920 Well, one of the things, limitations, I think that Zoom and in Google Meets have is I am 00:43:57.920 --> 00:43:58.480 the host. 00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.320 I have to be present for everyone else to show up. 00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:02.640 Now, maybe Google, you have a little more. 00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:07.360 If you're inner community, you have some, there's other people with permissions. 00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:14.760 But if I'm trying to have a public gathering of people coming and I have the week off, I'm 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:15.380 on vacation. 00:44:15.600 --> 00:44:16.140 I'm sick. 00:44:16.240 --> 00:44:17.140 I can't make it. 00:44:17.380 --> 00:44:18.180 Nobody can meet. 00:44:18.560 --> 00:44:20.560 It's all interdependent upon me. 00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:27.420 If you're not in these groups, this is a side thing, but it was also connected like it's 00:44:27.420 --> 00:44:28.580 overwhelming at some level. 00:44:28.660 --> 00:44:31.220 How do you help people coming in to not be overwhelmed? 00:44:31.620 --> 00:44:34.040 You allow permissions to not see everything. 00:44:34.640 --> 00:44:37.620 So you don't expose them to everything at once. 00:44:37.620 --> 00:44:41.420 It'd be like, you know, taking a five-year-old to Disney World and saying, you get to go to 00:44:41.420 --> 00:44:43.380 every single place and you have one hour. 00:44:43.540 --> 00:44:44.460 You're overwhelmed. 00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:47.500 Like you can't go to every single ride in every single place. 00:44:47.540 --> 00:44:48.960 So you just say, we're doing two rides. 00:44:49.260 --> 00:44:52.760 You give them a limitation of what they have exposure to kind of thing. 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:54.520 So that's just a tangent piece. 00:44:54.720 --> 00:44:57.420 But I wanted to preface what I'm going to say. 00:44:57.500 --> 00:44:59.320 So there are peer groups. 00:44:59.580 --> 00:45:05.640 You can see that there's a peer group that exists, but you get invited into a private 00:45:05.640 --> 00:45:09.140 group where things are confidential, where you join together. 00:45:09.140 --> 00:45:13.440 And every single person that's in that group can make comments. 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:18.180 We have meetings that take place at certain scheduled timeframes. 00:45:18.580 --> 00:45:20.380 I'm going to be on vacation in two weeks. 00:45:20.700 --> 00:45:22.540 Those meetings will happen with or without me. 00:45:22.720 --> 00:45:25.760 I don't have to be there for those to go on. 00:45:26.060 --> 00:45:26.940 They're just set. 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:28.320 Reminders go out. 00:45:28.560 --> 00:45:29.440 People show up. 00:45:29.560 --> 00:45:30.960 We engage along the way. 00:45:31.380 --> 00:45:36.040 And since we have that set up in a way that is private, there is confidentiality. 00:45:36.180 --> 00:45:37.320 There is security. 00:45:37.600 --> 00:45:38.420 There is those things. 00:45:38.540 --> 00:45:43.340 So if it's really, really personal things going on in a prayer request, they're there. 00:45:43.460 --> 00:45:44.900 I can still have public ones. 00:45:44.900 --> 00:45:50.320 Like we had a prayer for, hey, you know, the hurricane went through and we need prayer 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:50.700 for that. 00:45:50.860 --> 00:45:52.100 That goes in the public sphere. 00:45:53.300 --> 00:45:54.840 Pastor Coco's in one of those groups. 00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:59.540 So you might not even seen her much around the server because she's engaged in that group 00:45:59.540 --> 00:46:02.880 and that's where we share the more intimate things going on. 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:10.820 And so that's what I like about Discord over Zoom, over other platforms, is just that level 00:46:10.820 --> 00:46:16.100 of things that are going on that you can have everyone open to. 00:46:16.460 --> 00:46:22.160 Like we're in Discord right now and the four of us right now are up on the stage and there's 00:46:22.160 --> 00:46:26.600 an audience who can come in, which is different than Zoom as well. 00:46:26.600 --> 00:46:30.580 You can have a, this is everyone in the meeting and everyone has a voice. 00:46:30.980 --> 00:46:31.780 We do that. 00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:38.160 I mean, there are so many different levels that seem like it's limitless of the possibilities. 00:46:38.160 --> 00:46:43.360 It's limited on your ability to think of a new way to meet people, a new way to engage 00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:43.860 people. 00:46:44.860 --> 00:46:47.520 And the other thing too, I'm in a lot of other servers. 00:46:48.220 --> 00:46:55.500 I'm constantly learning how to be better at Discord by participating outside of TCD, 00:46:56.220 --> 00:47:00.040 of outside of my own server, of being in communities with other people. 00:47:00.220 --> 00:47:00.900 There is a limit. 00:47:01.080 --> 00:47:08.940 I believe Jate Live was telling me you can only be in 99 or 100 servers and he had to 00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:11.900 leave one in order to join us, but he did. 00:47:12.100 --> 00:47:15.420 He came over and joined us because he wanted to be connected here. 00:47:16.260 --> 00:47:18.660 Shout out Jate Live if you don't know Jate Live. 00:47:19.180 --> 00:47:21.400 If you don't know Jate Live, you're missing life. 00:47:21.540 --> 00:47:22.120 I'm just saying. 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:23.920 That's awesome. 00:47:24.200 --> 00:47:29.080 Yeah, Jate's fun and I love the fact that he blew off somebody else to join us. 00:47:29.220 --> 00:47:31.760 That's so good with that. 00:47:32.300 --> 00:47:36.580 And so if you're interested in joining some of these groups, feel free to get connected 00:47:36.580 --> 00:47:40.480 with FlatCap on the server and get connected to it. 00:47:40.520 --> 00:47:41.520 You know, it's interesting. 00:47:42.380 --> 00:47:47.020 And I want to draw attention and just First Pet, I'm going to pick you out right here for 00:47:47.020 --> 00:47:47.320 a second. 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:51.160 First Pet says in the chat, I like the thinking and I'm learning here. 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:56.580 Um, what I love about the fact that First Pet is, uh, is in this, is in this chat right 00:47:56.580 --> 00:48:02.640 now, um, is that I met First Pet, First Pet Saturday morning on YouTube. 00:48:03.180 --> 00:48:06.160 And so, uh, he actually made a comment. 00:48:06.160 --> 00:48:09.460 I'm assuming he, forgive me if I'm not, I'm pretty sure I got to that point. 00:48:09.540 --> 00:48:14.620 He, um, uh, made a, made a comment on, on a YouTube video. 00:48:16.200 --> 00:48:19.400 But Dave Ferguson, I mean, I'm going back maybe two years. 00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:21.840 Like this was not a new video that we did with Dave. 00:48:21.860 --> 00:48:22.800 It wasn't one of our new ones. 00:48:23.340 --> 00:48:29.320 And, um, and so commented on it and I started a conversation where I replied and he replied 00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:29.920 and I replied. 00:48:30.060 --> 00:48:33.700 And one of the comments was, Hey, like, can you continue this conversation? 00:48:34.160 --> 00:48:35.240 Come join the community. 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:44.440 Like there's only so far that we can get in YouTube that we can get in TikTok that we can 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:46.560 get on a story or a reel. 00:48:46.560 --> 00:48:51.380 Like there's only so far the conversation goes that we need to get the person involved 00:48:51.380 --> 00:48:52.360 in, into a community. 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:56.760 That's one of the reasons why, you know, when I talk about the framework, the people we're 00:48:56.760 --> 00:49:01.800 connected to digitally, we really need to invite them in a community in order to get to a place 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.220 where we're equipping them or discipling them. 00:49:04.500 --> 00:49:10.620 Like there's only so far that content can get without the community piece and being able 00:49:10.620 --> 00:49:12.580 to effectively route people. 00:49:12.580 --> 00:49:14.880 There's only so far social can take you. 00:49:14.940 --> 00:49:16.600 Tell Michelle, oh my gosh. 00:49:16.720 --> 00:49:17.020 Yes. 00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.620 Which is why digital community is different than social media. 00:49:20.860 --> 00:49:26.960 Like the social media layer is important, but what we're doing in community is vital in 00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:28.980 order to get to the discipleship piece. 00:49:29.200 --> 00:49:34.800 Jeff, I'd love to address Tal Skinny Kiwi's question or comment here in the meantime, while 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:35.980 we get Andy set up. 00:49:36.520 --> 00:49:43.100 And so one of the questions that he constantly asks himself is, let's see, how doing church 00:49:43.100 --> 00:49:45.140 online will impact IRL church? 00:49:45.240 --> 00:49:49.560 And I think getting used to having constant conversation and chat with each other during 00:49:49.560 --> 00:49:54.700 our events will make it seem weird to shut up and be silent doing an IRL sermon. 00:49:54.700 --> 00:50:01.540 And I think what digital churches or digital communities are creating, they're actually answering a need 00:50:01.540 --> 00:50:07.920 of what is already starting to happen in the education system, which is one person talks, 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:10.180 30 people sit down and listen. 00:50:10.340 --> 00:50:14.840 The education system is going through the exact same challenges that the church is going through 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:20.600 because that is a very outdated way to teach and multiply and grow. 00:50:21.140 --> 00:50:26.760 And it wasn't even how Jesus kind of, you know, like there's so much that happened in ministry 00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:30.620 that was beyond just one person speaking and everybody else just listening. 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:37.400 And I think this is actually the result of humans saying, I don't know about this. 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.780 Maybe there's a different way of doing things, or maybe I'm craving something different. 00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:46.860 I mean, just to give you like an interesting example is what Francis Chan did, like having 00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:53.200 this huge church that he was pastoring and went and going down to like a home church model 00:50:53.200 --> 00:50:55.560 with just like 20 people or 15 people. 00:50:56.180 --> 00:51:03.420 I think naturally we're going to shift away from one person presents a sermon and people 00:51:03.420 --> 00:51:04.060 watch it. 00:51:04.340 --> 00:51:05.920 I think that's just where we're going. 00:51:06.580 --> 00:51:11.220 And so I don't know if it's going to take the shape of a micro church where there's little 00:51:11.220 --> 00:51:16.320 you know, like smaller congregations, or if it's going to be more, I don't know how it's 00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:16.980 going to express itself. 00:51:17.040 --> 00:51:21.780 But I think that's that desire is actually what's creating such a need for digital churches 00:51:21.780 --> 00:51:26.000 that are more on the, you know, circle table than the auditorium. 00:51:27.380 --> 00:51:29.600 You know, there was an interesting, that's so good, Barbara. 00:51:29.600 --> 00:51:36.540 There was a comment that actually popped up in our general chat yesterday, last night, 00:51:36.600 --> 00:51:37.040 this morning. 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:41.440 I think Paul said it, Paul would have just come back from a trip to the Philippines. 00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:48.280 Then he was over there with like, Kansas, well, no, it was, it was Tampa underground over 00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:48.720 there. 00:51:48.900 --> 00:51:53.100 And, and, and Paul was like commenting off of somebody had said something, I think Matt said 00:51:53.100 --> 00:51:58.240 something about Kansas city or about some micro church material out there. 00:51:58.240 --> 00:52:02.340 And Paul's like, it was just talking about, you know, the church digitals philosophy towards 00:52:02.340 --> 00:52:07.340 micro and, and, um, you know, the underground philosophy and exponential philosophy. 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:12.500 And, and to be honest, like, I love the fact that that, I don't even know who Paul is. 00:52:12.500 --> 00:52:14.380 Like I may have a casual relationship with him. 00:52:14.420 --> 00:52:18.620 I couldn't pick him out of a lineup, but I love the fact that, that he's looking at the 00:52:18.620 --> 00:52:19.340 church digital. 00:52:19.860 --> 00:52:25.500 And recognizing some of the, the micro, the intentional micro underpinnings of what we're 00:52:25.500 --> 00:52:25.740 doing. 00:52:25.820 --> 00:52:29.520 We're not a, we're not a micro church organization by any stretch. 00:52:29.520 --> 00:52:32.240 Like there's, you know, giga church people there. 00:52:32.340 --> 00:52:36.240 There's in chat right now, there's people that are working at thousand person churches 00:52:36.240 --> 00:52:39.660 and, and Ian's at like a church with like 30 people physically. 00:52:39.660 --> 00:52:41.040 And that's not even digital. 00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:44.140 So like we're, we're serving all sorts. 00:52:44.740 --> 00:52:51.480 Um, but the relational aspects, the discipleship aspects of, of what we're doing. 00:52:51.580 --> 00:52:54.760 I know JMO has been working really hard to bake that in. 00:52:55.200 --> 00:53:00.760 And so like from a relational context that what we're pulling from Tampa underground, Casey 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.320 underground, exponential new things, stadia, like there's been so many influences that have 00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:07.800 really been, been helping the church digital. 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:12.140 Actually, I said this in the response to Paul is like, man, we're, we're the new kid on 00:53:12.140 --> 00:53:16.360 the block compared to all these other organizations that have been around for decades, but we're 00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:21.180 really like standing on their shoulders, really proclaiming, Hey, you know, you all are used 00:53:21.180 --> 00:53:25.300 to like broadcasting in front of millions of people and being excited because you've got 00:53:25.300 --> 00:53:27.260 people to view this video for like three seconds. 00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:27.540 Yay. 00:53:27.720 --> 00:53:28.400 Yay for you. 00:53:28.860 --> 00:53:32.980 Now there's this opportunity to be relational with these people, to get them into community, 00:53:33.080 --> 00:53:34.540 to actually disciple them digitally. 00:53:35.060 --> 00:53:41.660 And it's this new thinking that, you know, in the U S is a challenge, but globally, oh 00:53:41.660 --> 00:53:45.400 my gosh, there's so much open to this idea in, in international spaces. 00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:49.740 And so it's, it's exciting to, to be on this front wave coming into it. 00:53:50.820 --> 00:53:55.100 Well, Jeff, you and I had talked about this before, so I'm going to steal another minute. 00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:02.420 You know, socially as a society, we, we were introduced to the information age, you know, 00:54:02.420 --> 00:54:04.340 not too long ago, if you think about it. 00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:09.400 And when we were, you know, in that age of information, everything is coming towards us. 00:54:09.860 --> 00:54:11.840 The, the social currency was time. 00:54:11.900 --> 00:54:14.960 Like I spent time reading information, finding information. 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.800 And for those of us old enough, surfing the web, right? 00:54:18.580 --> 00:54:20.160 Youngers don't even know what that means. 00:54:20.160 --> 00:54:21.020 Like to surf the web. 00:54:21.080 --> 00:54:25.100 I actually remember surfing, you know, you go from one page to the next, no search engines, 00:54:25.160 --> 00:54:25.720 that kind of stuff. 00:54:26.060 --> 00:54:31.500 So it's like, you know, that was the information age and the currency that we were spending socially 00:54:31.500 --> 00:54:32.300 was time. 00:54:32.640 --> 00:54:33.980 Then we moved to engagement age. 00:54:34.060 --> 00:54:35.020 That's like social media. 00:54:35.140 --> 00:54:38.180 You post, you comment, you share, you create your YouTube, whatever. 00:54:38.660 --> 00:54:43.000 And that is when we shifted to a different currency, which was attention. 00:54:43.220 --> 00:54:46.240 You'll hear a bunch of marketers talk about that kind of stuff. 00:54:46.740 --> 00:54:50.300 So, you know, everybody wants your attention. 00:54:50.780 --> 00:54:51.720 And we shifted. 00:54:51.720 --> 00:54:55.920 We are already in a, in a, in a different age right now, 00:54:55.980 --> 00:54:57.300 which is the age of curation. 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.600 And I mean, just look at many of the YouTubers out there. 00:55:00.660 --> 00:55:03.020 They're curating a path for somebody, right? 00:55:03.260 --> 00:55:05.160 What's, what should I unbox next? 00:55:06.100 --> 00:55:06.300 Yeah. 00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:10.480 How many of you watch those videos where somebody is telling you what, what products to buy and 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:14.180 how and where, I mean, even my kids will look at the unboxing of toys. 00:55:14.300 --> 00:55:17.160 They prefer to watch somebody play with them than actually get them. 00:55:17.680 --> 00:55:20.820 And so that I did unboxing of the TCD swag. 00:55:20.820 --> 00:55:21.620 There you go. 00:55:21.740 --> 00:55:25.960 You see, so like these, the, the curation age where that we are right now, 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:28.080 uh, the currency is trust. 00:55:28.080 --> 00:55:30.680 And so what creating is circles of trust. 00:55:30.680 --> 00:55:34.400 And that those circles of trust is what society will naturally pursue. 00:55:34.580 --> 00:55:41.700 And honestly, uh, discord is a perfect tool to adjust exactly that. 00:55:42.220 --> 00:55:48.780 Not just curation, but, but with trust being the currency that we're now spending socially. 00:55:49.140 --> 00:55:55.700 So, well, with, with curation, it's also, here are all the people doing all of these things. 00:55:56.500 --> 00:56:01.380 And so there's a whole bunch of adding to knowledge of, there's not just one way to do it. 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:02.680 There's not just two ways to do it. 00:56:02.720 --> 00:56:04.100 There's not just three ways to do it. 00:56:04.300 --> 00:56:06.240 There is experimentation happening. 00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:08.840 When we're talking digital, you're throwing VR in there. 00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:11.060 You're throwing Twitch gaming streaming in there. 00:56:11.140 --> 00:56:13.000 You're throwing Facebook groups in there. 00:56:13.100 --> 00:56:15.460 You're throwing, I think it is unlimited. 00:56:15.460 --> 00:56:18.520 The number of ways that, that people are, are doing it. 00:56:18.620 --> 00:56:24.200 And so I just want to tag back on and, and Andy can probably add this too of the, the interaction 00:56:24.200 --> 00:56:24.980 between things. 00:56:25.120 --> 00:56:29.780 I've, I've been a pastor for over 20 years before I was a pastor, I was trained to be a 00:56:29.780 --> 00:56:30.020 teacher. 00:56:30.020 --> 00:56:34.700 So the, I stand in front, I disseminate information was the way I was trained. 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:40.200 I am totally addicted to being interrupted as I'm reading the Bible. 00:56:40.200 --> 00:56:44.500 I read two hours a day, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, and sometimes longer. 00:56:44.680 --> 00:56:49.100 And I get five minutes into something and we get a side conversation for about five to 10 00:56:49.100 --> 00:56:53.880 minutes about a question that was engaged going on is, what do you think about this? 00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:54.540 Or what about that? 00:56:54.620 --> 00:57:01.040 Like, it was so hard over the last couple of years for me to give sermons, um, because nobody 00:57:01.040 --> 00:57:01.940 was interrupting me. 00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:03.860 Nobody was asking questions. 00:57:03.860 --> 00:57:10.100 I did not know if I was connecting and resonating with people because there's no chat for me to 00:57:10.100 --> 00:57:11.600 read, to know I connected. 00:57:11.980 --> 00:57:16.400 And, and I'm also with churches that are struggling and dying that I've been working 00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:16.660 with. 00:57:16.740 --> 00:57:22.020 So they're not even used to amens and hallelujahs and let their face know that they're in agreement 00:57:22.020 --> 00:57:23.000 or nod their head. 00:57:23.080 --> 00:57:24.500 I'm like, oh my goodness. 00:57:24.640 --> 00:57:30.260 So, I mean, I'm at the two extremes of, I know that people are getting it and we're having 00:57:30.260 --> 00:57:33.100 a conversation and they're going to walk away with something. 00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:37.840 And I gave something to them and all I'm going to get at the end is great message, pastor. 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:40.120 And I have no idea if I really even connected with somebody. 00:57:41.680 --> 00:57:42.360 So good. 00:57:42.580 --> 00:57:47.680 I, you know, I, I, it's a confession hour here and this, this drives my wife nuts in church. 00:57:48.420 --> 00:57:51.540 So a lot of, you know, like if you've been around the church digital for a long time, 00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:55.400 the name Ray DeArmis, he used to be a digital pastor at Christ Fellowship Miami. 00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:58.660 He actually replaced me when I quit as a digital pastor when I resigned. 00:57:59.020 --> 00:57:59.560 Just call it healthy. 00:58:00.220 --> 00:58:01.780 So we go to the same church. 00:58:02.180 --> 00:58:02.420 Okay. 00:58:02.640 --> 00:58:03.900 Ray and I go to the same church. 00:58:04.060 --> 00:58:10.180 And so I will, it's a small church, 150 people in a service, 250 on a weekend, a church plant. 00:58:10.300 --> 00:58:14.400 And I always sit on the left-hand side and Ray always sits on the right-hand side. 00:58:14.420 --> 00:58:16.300 So we're like opposite from each other. 00:58:17.120 --> 00:58:20.460 And during the sermon, we've got a text thread open between us. 00:58:20.900 --> 00:58:23.080 Now, Carlos Lollette's the pastor of this church. 00:58:23.200 --> 00:58:24.260 We are great friends. 00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:30.480 Like we went, we used to work with Carlos and I'll just, I'm literally, I'm just blowing up Ray all during the sermon. 00:58:31.180 --> 00:58:35.920 Thoughts, questions, ideas, like, you know, second screen, like you would normally do like in, in, in discord. 00:58:36.520 --> 00:58:38.360 And, uh, and Ray's texting me back. 00:58:38.560 --> 00:58:40.220 And so like, we're, we're laughing. 00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:44.480 I'm, I'm joking kind of, you know, and, and so I'll smirk sometimes every once in a while. 00:58:44.520 --> 00:58:48.340 And my wife is like elbowing next to me, like, put the phone away. 00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:50.240 You're making a scene, stop it. 00:58:50.240 --> 00:58:54.360 And I, but I'm just, you know, still doing it because that's, that's how I engage. 00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:54.840 Right. 00:58:55.240 --> 00:59:00.160 But the, the traditional teacher, the masters of education, I'm doing this. 00:59:00.220 --> 00:59:04.980 My wife's fricking brilliant, but she's struggles with new ways of, of thinking. 00:59:04.980 --> 00:59:08.380 Like she's very traditionalist in, in her, her style. 00:59:08.380 --> 00:59:11.300 And so she's seeing me do this, engaging you. 00:59:11.300 --> 00:59:15.160 Like you're being completely disrespectful to, to Carlos and to everybody else in the room. 00:59:15.680 --> 00:59:18.280 Meanwhile, Carlos is like, where are the highlights? 00:59:18.340 --> 00:59:19.180 Give me, give me the updates. 00:59:19.220 --> 00:59:19.880 What are you guys thinking? 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.240 We're, so we're even talking with Carlos and bringing him in. 00:59:22.240 --> 00:59:27.720 And, and so it's, it's really, um, it's interesting to see that, that parrot, that paradigm shift. 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:40.040 I've been saying this and I've told JMO previously, like for me, platforms like Pushpay and Resi should be incorporating in asynchronous community into the, into the live aspects of it. 00:59:40.340 --> 00:59:42.920 Like, I would love to see talking about church aligned platform. 00:59:43.300 --> 00:59:51.180 How can I live, uh, chat in the live room with church aligned platform and have the online people see it in the same time? 00:59:51.180 --> 00:59:54.680 Like, can we time slip so that it, it, it makes sense. 00:59:54.680 --> 00:59:56.680 So virtual and physical can, can connect. 00:59:57.320 --> 00:59:58.720 Andy's giving me the peace sign. 00:59:58.860 --> 00:59:59.860 I don't know what that means. 01:00:00.600 --> 01:00:01.600 Are you seconding? 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:02.320 You got to go. 01:00:02.420 --> 01:00:02.820 Peace out. 01:00:04.660 --> 01:00:05.020 Cool. 01:00:05.240 --> 01:00:05.480 All right. 01:00:05.520 --> 01:00:08.200 Hey, I want to be respectful of time, but I'm having fun. 01:00:08.700 --> 01:00:14.780 So, um, Andy Hilmi or Andy, Andy left, uh, flat cap Hilmi, do you have time to hang around for a while or do you have to go to? 01:00:15.720 --> 01:00:16.560 I got to run. 01:00:16.820 --> 01:00:18.660 So I thank you guys for this time. 01:00:18.740 --> 01:00:19.700 It's been amazing. 01:00:20.040 --> 01:00:21.460 So I'll see you guys around. 01:00:22.780 --> 01:00:23.180 Awesome. 01:00:23.740 --> 01:00:25.940 Hey, uh, y'all jumping on the stream. 01:00:26.120 --> 01:00:28.660 That was a very abrupt end, but we got to go. 01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:31.520 So thanks for hanging out with us. 01:00:31.580 --> 01:00:32.560 I lost track of time. 01:00:32.600 --> 01:00:34.360 I was so excited by my async comment. 01:00:34.780 --> 01:00:46.660 Uh, we're good, but, um, feel free to, I, we stream every Tuesday doing this and would love to see you all on here and, uh, get connected into church on what we're doing here. 01:00:46.660 --> 01:00:49.700 I started as a church on a platform, get connected to what we're doing with the church digital. 01:00:49.860 --> 01:00:50.160 We'd love it. 01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:51.500 Hey, thanks y'all for being here. 01:00:52.200 --> 01:00:53.140 Um, see you soon. 01:00:53.740 --> 01:00:54.580 Bye.