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 Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast.

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 Through this podcast, we'll talk about the technological innovations within the church.

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 But more than tech for tech itself, we'll address deeper questions.

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 Is disciple making possible digitally?

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 How should we approach the digital mission field?

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 Can a biblically grounded church operate in digital space?

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 Oh, and where does the metaverse and artificial intelligence fit into all of this?

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 Whether you're a big or small church,

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 the Church Digital's goal is to help churches like yours learn to be a multiplying church,

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 digitally and physically.

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 And now here's your host, Jeff Reed.

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 Connect streaming software to go live.

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 You will be able to stream excellent connections.

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 So I should be seeing, people should be seeing me on YouTube.

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 And Jason Morris is walking in the building.

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 Let me let him in.

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 Hey!

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 Hey, hey.

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 How are you doing?

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 By the way, I went ahead and pressed the button.

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 We're broadcasting live right now.

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 Just so you know.

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 No pressure.

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 We didn't actually...

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 I sent Jason a text earlier today.

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 I was like, hey, I think this is what I want to talk about.

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 Do you agree with this?

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 And he added a couple of things.

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 So we did not really debrief on this as much as it was,

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 hey, we're just going to like jump in and hit the ground running.

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 So what you drinking?

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 The yerba mate.

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 This is a catawala blend.

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 I forget the name, the brand, but it has catawala in it.

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 I don't know what that means in English.

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 It's like one of the herb things.

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 I mean, I hear you talk and it literally feels like it's a different language,

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 which I love and respect.

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 You are always drinking those, man.

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 Every time I see you.

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 How many of those do you drink a day?

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 Well, it is just one cup of tea that gets...

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 You know, I keep throwing water on me.

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 So it's like if you could have like one or two teabags

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 and then just drink that all day.

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 That's kind of what it's like.

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 Oh, really?

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 Okay.

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 I got to learn more about the drinking habits.

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 Yeah, I usually don't drink it after around two o'clock in the afternoon

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 if I want to sleep that evening.

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 Very cool.

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 All right.

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 So I just blew up a bunch of notifications.

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 I'm still...

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 I mean, I'm frustrated, J-Mo.

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 So I got to get with Andy.

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 YouTube has been very problematic for me streaming.

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 For whatever reason, Riverside to YouTube,

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 like it's just...

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 It's not working for me.

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 And so like it...

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 I literally worked like 30 minutes ago

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 because I was just working through issues

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 and it worked fine.

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 And then, you know,

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 don't change any settings.

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 Don't change the stream key.

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 Don't change anything.

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 Just turn on press, you know, broadcast again

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 and it's not working.

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 So...

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 Hopefully, you know what?

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 I was trying to...

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 Because we got a lot of our international friends

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 and I'll catch you keeping up with us on WhatsApp.

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 And so like I'm really trying to get, you know,

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 YouTube to be the deal.

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 And we just...

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 We got to get it figured out

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 because it's not working.

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 But Twitch...

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 Is there a way to do RTMP inside of?

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 That's actually what's happening is

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 is my firewall is blocking YouTube from Riverside.

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 And so I did RTMP

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 and RTMP is only working like once

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 and it's off.

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 And the guys at Riverside are like,

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 no, it should be a persistent key in URL.

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 You shouldn't have to change anything.

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 If it works once, it'll work forever.

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 And I'm like...

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 It depends on how you have it set up.

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 Yeah, maybe something's wrong.

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 But listen, at this point,

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 I'm completely willing to say,

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 hey, I'm an idiot

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 because I just want to fix.

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 I don't care if I'm the blame for that.

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 Awesome.

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 Well, you know,

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 Jason knows how much of an idiot I am

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 because...

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 Well, let me just say this.

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 The day before Jason and I

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 were going to Korea,

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 we're on a call.

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 Maybe it was a...

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 I don't remember what call it was about.

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 It was some sort of call.

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 And Leighton was in the room.

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 Leighton gave testimony to this.

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 Leighton, we were together

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 and Jason says,

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 okay, hey, we're going to Korea together.

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 I need to know,

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 like, Jeff,

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 what do you need from me

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 on the trip?

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 Like, how can I, you know,

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 how can I help you in this?

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 And I looked at Jason

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 and I was like,

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 pretend that I'm a five-year-old little boy

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 who has no idea

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 what he's supposed to do

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 in international airports

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 because

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 I don't.

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 You're like, really?

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 It's like, I travel all the time.

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 Send me in the U.S.

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 No, international is different.

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 With a backpack.

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 International is 100% different.

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 Like, I mean, listen,

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 I felt so much better.

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 Like, just the fact

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 that my Uber app worked

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 in Incheon, Korea, in Seoul.

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 Oh, I know.

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 That's huge.

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 Oh, my gosh.

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 It was like,

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 I can breathe

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 because I was so lost

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 without this stuff.

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 And so Jason did a great job

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 up until the last day.

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 And the last day,

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 he ditched me,

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 which was awesome

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 because it was like,

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 he was like,

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 I've been carrying you around

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 for like,

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 I've been carrying your sorry butt

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 for a week.

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 I'm leaving you.

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 Sorry, bump.

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 That was awesome.

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 I did.

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 I fell asleep at the table.

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 I was like, boom,

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 face down at this table.

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 We were both.

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 Like, oh, my gosh.

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 Exhausted.

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 I don't know about you,

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 but I was pretty white.

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 Yeah.

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 You're a,

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 you're not a,

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 do you qualify yourself

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 as an introvert or extrovert?

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 You're kind of like in the middle.

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 Yeah.

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 It's weird.

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 I can,

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 I don't know.

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 It's kind of,

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 I'm an ambivert.

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 I feel like

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 if

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 one of the things

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 that I've discovered

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 in a party

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 scenario,

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 I will

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 find

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 one or two people

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 to have a deep conversation with

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 instead of

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 work in the crowd,

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 that tends to be my

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 MO,

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 which kind of lends me

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 to believe I'm probably

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 leaning more toward

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 the introvert side

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 than the extrovert side,

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 but I can turn it on

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 whenever I want.

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 I just can't.

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 I mean,

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 that's for a long time.

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 So the brilliance

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 of the church digital

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 sent two introverts,

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 borderline introverts,

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 right?

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 To,

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 uh,

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 to a Congress

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 on the other side

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 of the planet

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 with 5,000 people.

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 Yeah.

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 Work in a booth.

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 What could possibly

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 go wrong?

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 What could go wrong

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 with that equation?

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 Oh my gosh.

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 It,

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 it was,

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 man,

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 I want,

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 I want to get into

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 the conversation

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 here a little bit.

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 We're hanging

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 to hang out today

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 and just share

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 some of our experiences

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 and our excitement,

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 uh,

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 for what happens

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 as a result.

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 And,

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 um,

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 you know,

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 people like,

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 was,

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 was it a good,

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 was it good?

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 Was it good?

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 I was like,

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 oh my gosh,

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 it was,

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 it was amazing.

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 It was affirming.

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 It was,

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 um,

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 you know,

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 life changing

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 is too strong

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 of a word.

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 And I think we,

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 at the church level,

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 we throw life change

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 around maybe a little

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 too much.

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 Um,

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 but I know that,

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 you know,

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 we've been busting

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 our hump

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 for the church digital.

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 We've been,

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 we've been shifting

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 a lot over the past

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 couple of months

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 trying to get

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 to a place

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 without even

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 really affirmation

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 that the thing

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 was going to work.

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 And,

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 uh,

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 we get out there

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 and start having

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 some conversations

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 and it was just

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 incredible.

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 Like I will tell

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 the stories,

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 but I literally

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 saw grown men

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 cry describing

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 them some of

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 this,

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 this shift

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 to a digital

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 missionary.

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 And,

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 um,

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 it was just

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 so,

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 so good.

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 So I do

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 want to structure,

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 well,

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 Hey,

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 let me,

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 Jason,

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 you know,

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 just to kick

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 it off.

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 Um,

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 initial,

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 like we're going

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 to get into

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 the meat of

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 this.

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 So,

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 so like,

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 don't,

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 don't drive

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 this,

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 um,

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 but give me

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 initial reaction,

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 initial take

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 something other

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 than,

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 oh my gosh,

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 it's going

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 to be so

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 great to

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 collaborate

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 together

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 because you've

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 used that

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 twice in

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 different shorts

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 with me.

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 So you got

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 to come up

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 with something

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 better than

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 collaboration,

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 collaboration,

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 collaboration.

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 What's your,

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 what's your like

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 initial thought

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 on,

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 on LaZone?

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 what blows my

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 mind is this

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 was a collective

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 gathering of

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 the global

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 church.

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 Most of the

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 time when

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 you,

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 and it

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 was a,

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 uh,

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 all of the

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 delegates

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 were,

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 um,

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 by invitation

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 only.

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 So it wasn't

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 just,

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 um,

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 just rando

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 dudes,

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 conference

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 junkies,

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 you know,

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 that sort

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 of thing.

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 these were,

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 these were

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 high-level

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 people globally

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 that actually

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 get stuff

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 done

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 that are

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 there to

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 collaborate

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 and partner.

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 That was

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 the goal.

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 And it

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 wasn't just

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 a bunch

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 of,

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 you know,

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 people like

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 us,

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 you know,

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 old white

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 guys.

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 It was,

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 um,

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 the global

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 church

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 everywhere

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 and intentionally

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 so.

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 I don't know

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 if you had

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 a chance

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 to like work

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 on the

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 gap

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 tables

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 and that

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 sort of

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 thing.

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 But at

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 every table

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 I sat

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 at,

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 there was

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 a representation

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 of every

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 continent.

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 And that's

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 really different.

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 Most of us

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 are used

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 to going

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 to a

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 conference,

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 hearing some

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 great talks

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 and being

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 surrounded by

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 people that

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 are kind

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 of like

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 us,

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 wherever

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 that may

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 be.

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 Um,

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 in this

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 particular

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 case,

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 it was

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 intentionally

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 diverse.

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 And that

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 actually,

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 created a

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 few issues

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 here and

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 there.

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 Right?

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 So if

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 you can

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 imagine

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 topics of

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 discussion

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 being

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 the

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 persecuted

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 church,

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 for example,

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 and you

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 have

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 Palestinians

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 and Jews

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 in the

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 same room

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 around the

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 same table

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 talking about

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 topics like

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 that.

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 What could

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 possibly go

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 wrong?

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 There were

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 a few

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 sparks here

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 and there

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 around

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 different

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 topics

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 that

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 are

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 healthy

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 conflict

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 around

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 people

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 that

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 genuinely

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 and deeply

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 love

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 Jesus,

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 figuring out

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 how to

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 work

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 together

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 in spite

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 of different

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 perspectives.

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 the same

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 would be

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 true of

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 talking

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 around

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 the

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 topics

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 of

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 violence

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 and you

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 have

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 Russians

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 and

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 Ukrainians

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 in the

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 same room.

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 What could

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 possibly go?

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 Right?

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 So it's

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 stuff like

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 that where

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 it's like,

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 okay,

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 the conversations

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 we're having

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 are at a

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 completely

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 different level

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 and are

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 primed

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 and designed

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 for

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 reconciliation

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 and cooperation

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 at a

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 level that

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 I don't

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 know that

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 I've

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 experienced

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 before.

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 So,

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 you know,

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 talking about

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 difficult things

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 and there

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 was even

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 one moment

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 where

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 at one

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 of my

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 tables,

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 you know,

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 I was,

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 you know,

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 sitting down

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 and they

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 were talking

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 about the

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 persecuted

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 church

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 and I

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 didn't

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 realize

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 how that

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 would even

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 trigger some

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 of the

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 things that

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 I had

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 experienced

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 on the

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 mission

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 field.

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 It was

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 a lot

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 and I

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 just,

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 I lost

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 it and

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 I was

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 just

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 breaking

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 down,

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 bawling,

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 snot running

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 down my

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 nose.

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 I was just,

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 you know,

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 praying for

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 the persecuted

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 church,

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 knowing

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 that for

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 the first

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 time I

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 saw this

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 even-handed

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 approach

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 around,

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 yes,

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 you know,

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 we always

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 hear about,

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 you know,

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 the blood

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 and the

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 martyrs,

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 the seed

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 of church

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 and all

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 these good

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 things that

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 come out

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 of it.

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 That is

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 true.

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 While at

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 the same

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 time,

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 validating

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 the pain

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 and the

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 suffering

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 that our

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 brothers and

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 sisters go

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 through at

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 the same

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 time,

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 right?

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 And that

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 particular

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 tension,

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 I've never

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 been in an

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 environment that

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 would allow

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 for both

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 because usually

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 it's one or

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 the other,

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 right?

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 But allowing

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 for both

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 to coexist

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 or Jesus

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 to be present

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 in the middle

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 of pain

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 on topics

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 like that

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 was just,

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 that was

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 life-changing

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 for me

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 because,

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 or,

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 you know,

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 I'm going

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 through stuff,

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 you know,

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 we don't

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 have time

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 to talk

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 about all

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 that,

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 but I've

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 gone through

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 stuff and

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 I was able

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 to pray

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 for people

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 who have

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 gone through

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 stuff too

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 in ways

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 that I felt

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 for the first

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 time there

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 was actual

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 value in

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 some of the

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 things that I've

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 experienced that

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 have been very

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 hard.

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 For the first

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 time I was

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 able to pray

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 for people

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 with a

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 level of

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 empathy

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 that we

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 all needed

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 you know

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 and to

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 suffer with

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 the global

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 church and

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 to sit

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 with Jesus

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 and do

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 that together

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 man,

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 that was

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 like to

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 get an

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 opportunity

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 to do

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 that was

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 nuts

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 and then

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 being able

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 to layer

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 on top

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 of that

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 the

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 opportunities

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 that the

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 church

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 digital

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 provides

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 for the

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 persecuted

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 church

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 in

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 persecuted

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 areas

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 and to

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 meet

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 with other

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 partners

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 who you're

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 never going

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 to be able

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 to google

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 search and

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 find because

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 they're

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 hiding

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 but in

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 environments

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 like this

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 where

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 okay,

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 you can't

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 take photos,

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 you can't

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 publish this

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 on social

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 media,

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 and there

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 were problems

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 with that

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 too.

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 I mean,

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 there were

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 some people

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 that were

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 like shooting

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 photos and

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 making friends

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 and then

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 putting people

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 in danger

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 and we had

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 to shut

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 that down

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 and to be

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 able to be

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 in a room

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 to talk

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 with the

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 actual

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 people who

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 were getting

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 things done,

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 we've

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 never

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 had

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 a chance

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 to do

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 that.

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 And then

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 to offer

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 tools that

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 would help

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 them and

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 have them

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 be boots

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 on the

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 ground to

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 help us

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 connect and

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 collaborate.

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 Dude,

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 when do you

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 get a chance

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 to do that?

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 I mean,

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 come on.

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 It's

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 incredible.

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 By the way,

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 I asked him

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 for a simple

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 overview and

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 10 minutes

00:14:17.180 --> 00:14:17.620
 later he's

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 done.

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 That is

00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:19.740
 such a

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 Jason Morris

00:14:20.340 --> 00:14:21.580
 moment right

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 there.

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 So good.

00:14:22.560 --> 00:14:23.660
 I was like,

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 let's go for

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 something light.

00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:25.240
 Let's talk

00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:25.960
 about kimchi.

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 No,

00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:27.080
 man,

00:14:27.180 --> 00:14:27.820
 straight in.

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 We're talking

00:14:28.580 --> 00:14:29.660
 persecuted church,

00:14:29.740 --> 00:14:30.080
 man.

00:14:30.640 --> 00:14:31.040
 Oh,

00:14:31.140 --> 00:14:31.320
 man,

00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:31.860
 so good.

00:14:32.020 --> 00:14:32.580
 But that's,

00:14:32.640 --> 00:14:32.820
 I mean,

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 that's really

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 like we can

00:14:34.380 --> 00:14:35.080
 tease this thing,

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 but that's,

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 I mean,

00:14:36.520 --> 00:14:37.020
 that's the heart

00:14:37.020 --> 00:14:37.360
 of what we

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 dealt with.

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 I had a,

00:14:38.680 --> 00:14:39.000
 I had a,

00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:40.580
 I had a grandpa

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 come up,

00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:42.900
 somebody brought

00:14:42.900 --> 00:14:43.360
 him over to

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 my booth.

00:14:43.920 --> 00:14:44.340
 I didn't see

00:14:44.340 --> 00:14:44.860
 who the person

00:14:44.860 --> 00:14:45.520
 was that brought

00:14:45.520 --> 00:14:45.660
 him,

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 but I just

00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:46.680
 saw a hand

00:14:46.680 --> 00:14:47.280
 motion to me.

00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:47.760
 I was talking

00:14:47.760 --> 00:14:48.220
 with somebody

00:14:48.220 --> 00:14:49.660
 else and

00:14:49.660 --> 00:14:51.160
 dude's in a

00:14:51.160 --> 00:14:51.420
 close,

00:14:51.540 --> 00:14:52.020
 he's a,

00:14:52.020 --> 00:14:52.580
 he's a grandpa

00:14:52.580 --> 00:14:53.080
 in a closed

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 country.

00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:54.820
 He's just an

00:14:54.820 --> 00:14:55.380
 older gentleman.

00:14:55.380 --> 00:14:55.760
 When I say

00:14:55.760 --> 00:14:56.120
 grandpa,

00:14:56.280 --> 00:14:56.600
 like his

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 eighties.

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 And,

00:14:58.080 --> 00:14:58.640
 and he's

00:14:58.640 --> 00:14:58.940
 like,

00:14:59.200 --> 00:14:59.840
 can I take

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 a moment

00:15:00.160 --> 00:15:00.620
 to talk

00:15:00.620 --> 00:15:01.040
 with you

00:15:01.040 --> 00:15:01.520
 about what

00:15:01.520 --> 00:15:01.960
 the future

00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:02.300
 of our

00:15:02.300 --> 00:15:03.020
 church needs

00:15:03.020 --> 00:15:03.360
 to look

00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:03.880
 like in

00:15:03.880 --> 00:15:04.680
 our country?

00:15:05.220 --> 00:15:06.280
 Because we're

00:15:06.280 --> 00:15:06.680
 trying to

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 figure out

00:15:07.180 --> 00:15:07.560
 how to

00:15:07.560 --> 00:15:08.360
 prepare best

00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:08.820
 for that.

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 And I was

00:15:09.280 --> 00:15:09.480
 like,

00:15:10.400 --> 00:15:11.000
 I will,

00:15:11.100 --> 00:15:11.760
 I will give

00:15:11.760 --> 00:15:12.360
 you the rest

00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:12.640
 of the

00:15:12.640 --> 00:15:13.260
 conference

00:15:13.260 --> 00:15:14.160
 if for no

00:15:14.160 --> 00:15:14.600
 other reason

00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:15.080
 than to have

00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:15.780
 this conversation

00:15:15.780 --> 00:15:16.200
 with you.

00:15:16.300 --> 00:15:16.720
 Like I will

00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:17.660
 do nothing

00:15:17.660 --> 00:15:18.640
 other than

00:15:18.640 --> 00:15:19.680
 answer that

00:15:19.680 --> 00:15:20.520
 question for

00:15:20.520 --> 00:15:21.060
 you is

00:15:21.060 --> 00:15:21.740
 unbelievable.

00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:23.660
 Like there

00:15:23.660 --> 00:15:23.960
 are,

00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:24.380
 there were

00:15:24.380 --> 00:15:24.960
 people that

00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:25.400
 would not,

00:15:25.500 --> 00:15:25.740
 we're not

00:15:25.740 --> 00:15:26.460
 even comfortable

00:15:26.460 --> 00:15:27.720
 joining our

00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:28.820
 public WhatsApp

00:15:28.820 --> 00:15:29.400
 group.

00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:30.680
 And so I've

00:15:30.680 --> 00:15:31.240
 got like,

00:15:31.300 --> 00:15:32.320
 like a list

00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:32.900
 on my,

00:15:33.020 --> 00:15:34.280
 on my device

00:15:34.280 --> 00:15:35.020
 of people

00:15:35.020 --> 00:15:35.680
 that I need

00:15:35.680 --> 00:15:36.140
 to speak

00:15:36.140 --> 00:15:37.400
 with directly

00:15:37.400 --> 00:15:37.800
 to keep

00:15:37.800 --> 00:15:38.360
 them informed

00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:38.720
 of what's

00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:39.100
 going on

00:15:39.100 --> 00:15:39.640
 because of

00:15:39.640 --> 00:15:40.520
 the secrecy

00:15:40.520 --> 00:15:41.000
 of the

00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:41.340
 underground

00:15:41.340 --> 00:15:41.700
 church

00:15:41.700 --> 00:15:41.960
 and their

00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:42.400
 environments.

00:15:42.400 --> 00:15:42.760
 And,

00:15:42.760 --> 00:15:44.100
 and I

00:15:44.100 --> 00:15:45.040
 quickly realized,

00:15:45.160 --> 00:15:45.680
 oh my gosh,

00:15:45.680 --> 00:15:46.260
 I need to find

00:15:46.260 --> 00:15:46.780
 somebody at

00:15:46.780 --> 00:15:47.240
 cybersecurity

00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:47.880
 that actually

00:15:47.880 --> 00:15:48.200
 knows what

00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:48.640
 they're talking

00:15:48.640 --> 00:15:49.440
 about because,

00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:50.200
 you know,

00:15:50.220 --> 00:15:50.480
 if we're going

00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:51.020
 to be advising

00:15:51.020 --> 00:15:51.660
 people in

00:15:51.660 --> 00:15:52.340
 closed areas,

00:15:52.340 --> 00:15:52.760
 I don't need

00:15:52.760 --> 00:15:53.160
 to be like

00:15:53.160 --> 00:15:53.680
 making up

00:15:53.680 --> 00:15:54.000
 crap.

00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:54.400
 I actually

00:15:54.400 --> 00:15:54.860
 need somebody

00:15:54.860 --> 00:15:55.220
 that knows

00:15:55.220 --> 00:15:55.540
 what they're

00:15:55.540 --> 00:15:55.880
 doing.

00:15:56.100 --> 00:15:56.900
 And so

00:15:56.900 --> 00:15:57.300
 we're,

00:15:57.300 --> 00:15:57.500
 we're,

00:15:57.500 --> 00:15:57.920
 we're digging

00:15:57.920 --> 00:15:58.500
 into that

00:15:58.500 --> 00:15:59.120
 in a big

00:15:59.120 --> 00:15:59.380
 way,

00:15:59.400 --> 00:15:59.680
 but,

00:16:00.020 --> 00:16:00.820
 oh my gosh,

00:16:00.860 --> 00:16:01.300
 so good.

00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:02.060
 Now let's,

00:16:02.140 --> 00:16:02.640
 let's do this.

00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:04.860
 Kimchi was great.

00:16:05.560 --> 00:16:05.920
 Yes.

00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:07.000
 Whatever that

00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:07.740
 noodle soup we

00:16:07.740 --> 00:16:08.180
 had that was

00:16:08.180 --> 00:16:09.200
 not quite ramen,

00:16:09.380 --> 00:16:09.840
 it was like a

00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:10.500
 bigger than ramen

00:16:10.500 --> 00:16:11.260
 ramen soup.

00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:11.800
 That was good.

00:16:11.820 --> 00:16:12.560
 Chinese food was

00:16:12.560 --> 00:16:12.820
 good.

00:16:12.920 --> 00:16:13.240
 Yes.

00:16:13.460 --> 00:16:13.720
 Yeah,

00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:14.400
 that was good.

00:16:14.800 --> 00:16:15.160
 I mean,

00:16:15.160 --> 00:16:15.540
 honestly,

00:16:15.540 --> 00:16:15.980
 I don't think

00:16:15.980 --> 00:16:16.380
 I had a bad

00:16:16.380 --> 00:16:18.160
 meal the entire

00:16:18.160 --> 00:16:18.600
 time.

00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:19.340
 I think I had

00:16:19.340 --> 00:16:20.320
 kimchi two or

00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:20.880
 three times a day.

00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:21.680
 I had so much

00:16:21.680 --> 00:16:21.960
 kimchi.

00:16:22.100 --> 00:16:22.400
 If you know what

00:16:22.400 --> 00:16:22.920
 kimchi is,

00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:23.560
 it's spicy

00:16:23.560 --> 00:16:24.260
 cabbage with

00:16:24.260 --> 00:16:24.840
 other things,

00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:26.080
 with like hot

00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:26.620
 sauce mixed

00:16:26.620 --> 00:16:26.720
 in.

00:16:26.780 --> 00:16:27.000
 It's really

00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:27.340
 good.

00:16:27.880 --> 00:16:28.860
 But that sucker

00:16:28.860 --> 00:16:29.400
 ripped up my

00:16:29.400 --> 00:16:29.860
 stomach for

00:16:29.860 --> 00:16:30.280
 like the week

00:16:30.280 --> 00:16:30.600
 after.

00:16:30.920 --> 00:16:31.620
 Like I was,

00:16:32.060 --> 00:16:33.040
 I didn't realize

00:16:33.040 --> 00:16:33.800
 but coming back

00:16:33.800 --> 00:16:34.500
 like kimchi

00:16:34.500 --> 00:16:35.280
 did not like

00:16:35.280 --> 00:16:36.080
 me on the

00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:36.860
 after post

00:16:36.860 --> 00:16:37.140
 trip.

00:16:37.340 --> 00:16:39.160
 So yeah,

00:16:39.160 --> 00:16:39.520
 you're welcome

00:16:39.520 --> 00:16:39.940
 for that.

00:16:40.700 --> 00:16:41.100
 What,

00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:41.600
 one of the

00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:42.300
 surprises for

00:16:42.300 --> 00:16:42.580
 me,

00:16:42.940 --> 00:16:43.800
 like I knew,

00:16:44.400 --> 00:16:45.080
 by the way,

00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:45.780
 there's a bunch

00:16:45.780 --> 00:16:46.220
 of people in

00:16:46.220 --> 00:16:46.500
 chat.

00:16:46.580 --> 00:16:46.880
 Feel free to

00:16:46.880 --> 00:16:47.540
 ask questions

00:16:47.540 --> 00:16:48.040
 in there.

00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:48.740
 I'm trying to

00:16:48.740 --> 00:16:49.180
 keep an eye

00:16:49.180 --> 00:16:49.540
 on it.

00:16:50.520 --> 00:16:51.160
 Sumi beats

00:16:51.160 --> 00:16:51.900
 ripped up your

00:16:51.900 --> 00:16:52.180
 stomach.

00:16:52.300 --> 00:16:52.440
 Yeah,

00:16:52.540 --> 00:16:53.080
 totally did.

00:16:53.880 --> 00:16:54.600
 But let's

00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:55.240
 do this.

00:16:56.040 --> 00:16:56.560
 Lizanne,

00:16:56.680 --> 00:16:57.400
 digital culture.

00:16:58.380 --> 00:16:58.960
 Like Michael

00:16:58.960 --> 00:16:59.700
 O stands on

00:16:59.700 --> 00:17:00.360
 stage night

00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:00.740
 one,

00:17:00.860 --> 00:17:01.400
 day two.

00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:02.060
 Yeah,

00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:03.000
 there are that

00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:03.660
 we need to be

00:17:03.660 --> 00:17:04.240
 successful.

00:17:04.620 --> 00:17:05.160
 Lizanne needs to

00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:05.760
 be successful

00:17:05.760 --> 00:17:07.120
 in three D's

00:17:07.120 --> 00:17:08.820
 for the next 15

00:17:08.820 --> 00:17:09.440
 years for us to be

00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:10.140
 successful for the

00:17:10.140 --> 00:17:10.680
 next Congress.

00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:11.640
 And it was really

00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:12.040
 interesting.

00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:12.840
 Disciple making,

00:17:13.120 --> 00:17:13.820
 discipleship,

00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:15.760
 disciple making,

00:17:15.940 --> 00:17:16.520
 multiplication,

00:17:16.840 --> 00:17:17.260
 generational.

00:17:17.660 --> 00:17:18.020
 That's what he

00:17:18.020 --> 00:17:18.280
 meant by

00:17:18.280 --> 00:17:18.940
 disciple making

00:17:18.940 --> 00:17:20.200
 and digital.

00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:21.440
 Literally,

00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:22.640
 2024,

00:17:23.320 --> 00:17:23.880
 one of the

00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:24.600
 top initiatives

00:17:24.600 --> 00:17:25.080
 for the

00:17:25.080 --> 00:17:25.940
 organization is

00:17:25.940 --> 00:17:26.300
 to better

00:17:26.300 --> 00:17:26.940
 understand

00:17:26.940 --> 00:17:27.840
 digital.

00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:29.600
 Parallel that

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 to 2010 when

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 they did not

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 even say the

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 word digital

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 on stage,

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 the entire

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 Congress.

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 And seeing

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 that not only

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 represented in

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 leadership,

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 but throughout

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 the entire

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 culture of

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 the organization

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 was just a

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 beautiful thing.

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 You got anything

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 you want to

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 share on

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 that?

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 Well,

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 I mean,

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 they ran the

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 whole thing on

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 an app,

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 more than one

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 app,

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 actually.

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 You have the

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 Digital Discovery

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 Center bringing

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 together intentionally

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 movers and

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 shakers in the

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 digital space

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 for the digital

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 church.

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 That was really

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 fun, too.

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 So, yeah,

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 whether that be

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 indigenous or

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 global switchboard

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 or faith AI,

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 you know,

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 the chosen,

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 there's all of

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 these different

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 players that

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 were coming

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 together so

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 that we could

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 help each

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 other, all

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 bringing to

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 bear at the

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 table, okay,

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 here's our

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 superpower that

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 we have,

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 let's put this

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 on the table

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 and let's help

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 the global

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 church together

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 with the

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 digital tools.

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 And it was

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 fascinating

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 because there

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 was no question

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 that everybody

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 understood the

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 power of

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 digital or

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 finishing the

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 Great

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 Commission.

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 So, everybody

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 was on the

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 same page.

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 It's like, if

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 Jesus and the

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 Apostle Paul were

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 alive today, they

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 would be doing

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 everything digitally.

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 Yeah.

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 And we do, too.

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 And if we've

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 got to think

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 where the

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 direction of

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 society and

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 our world is

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 headed, there

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 is a fascinating

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 overlap between

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 the world that

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 is becoming

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 connected with

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 smartphones and

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 the internet

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 that happens

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 to be, oh,

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 by the way,

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 the same

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 world that we

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 have yet to

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 reach with

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 the gospel in

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 a meaningful

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 way, which,

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 oh, by the

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 way, also

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 happens to be

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 the persecuted

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 church, the

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 vast majority.

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 The overlap of

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 all of those

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 things is not

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 coincidental.

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 So, what the

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 digital church

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 provides is a

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 way for both the

00:19:37.260 --> 00:19:37.980
 missionary and the

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 person exploring

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 faith to explore

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 Jesus and the

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 gospel in a way

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 that's a lot

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 less risky than

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 how it was done

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 50, 100 years

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 ago when your

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 head just got

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 chopped off or

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 whatever.

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 So, the

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 opportunities that

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 are before us,

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 let alone being

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 able to spread

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 the word and

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 the hope of the

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 gospel to an

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 ever-growing

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 population that

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 we haven't

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 really, I

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 mean, kept

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 up with, that's

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 part of our

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 problem right now.

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 We have to use

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 different methods

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 because while

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 Christianity is

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 growing, we're

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 just the same

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 percentage of the

00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:22.920
 global population

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 that, by the

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 way, the growing

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 parts of the

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 global population

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 are the ones

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 that are getting

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 connected to the

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 internet and the

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 ones that are

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 getting smartphones

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 now and the

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 ones that are in

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 the persecuted

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 church.

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 It all just

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 comes together.

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 So, I feel

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 like that God

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 has prepared

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 all of us,

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 not just the

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 church digital,

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 but around the

00:20:41.860 --> 00:20:42.600
 world, different

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 digital partners

00:20:43.520 --> 00:20:45.420
 with the

00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:46.280
 persecuted church

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 that is awakening

00:20:47.600 --> 00:20:48.980
 to the

00:20:48.980 --> 00:20:49.960
 possibilities the

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 digital provides.

00:20:51.060 --> 00:20:51.840
 All of these

00:20:51.840 --> 00:20:52.400
 things are not

00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:52.960
 by accident.

00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:53.840
 Jesus is

00:20:53.840 --> 00:20:55.380
 orchestrating this

00:20:55.380 --> 00:20:58.480
 math chess game

00:20:58.480 --> 00:20:59.640
 so that the

00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:00.400
 great commission

00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:01.120
 can actually

00:21:01.120 --> 00:21:02.520
 become the

00:21:02.520 --> 00:21:04.360
 great completion

00:21:04.360 --> 00:21:05.060
 through the

00:21:05.060 --> 00:21:05.840
 great collaboration

00:21:05.840 --> 00:21:06.340
 of all these

00:21:06.340 --> 00:21:06.980
 partners together

00:21:06.980 --> 00:21:07.400
 globally.

00:21:07.800 --> 00:21:08.620
 So, I'm just

00:21:08.620 --> 00:21:09.300
 super excited to

00:21:09.300 --> 00:21:10.300
 be a part of

00:21:10.300 --> 00:21:10.700
 what Jesus

00:21:10.700 --> 00:21:11.180
 is doing.

00:21:12.100 --> 00:21:13.000
 Great commission,

00:21:13.660 --> 00:21:15.740
 great completion,

00:21:16.820 --> 00:21:17.340
 collaboration,

00:21:17.340 --> 00:21:17.980
 great completion.

00:21:18.980 --> 00:21:19.400
 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:21.300
 You're channeling

00:21:21.300 --> 00:21:21.920
 your inner Dave

00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:22.660
 Ferguson over at

00:21:22.660 --> 00:21:23.140
 New Thing with

00:21:23.140 --> 00:21:23.340
 that.

00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:24.440
 That was good.

00:21:24.760 --> 00:21:25.180
 A little bit.

00:21:25.420 --> 00:21:26.480
 Hey, so, yeah,

00:21:26.520 --> 00:21:27.120
 I mean, we've got,

00:21:27.220 --> 00:21:27.580
 to be honest,

00:21:27.660 --> 00:21:28.260
 like, we're getting

00:21:28.260 --> 00:21:29.200
 some feedback right

00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:29.540
 now with the

00:21:29.540 --> 00:21:30.000
 closed church.

00:21:30.120 --> 00:21:31.100
 I know, in chat

00:21:31.100 --> 00:21:31.860
 right now in

00:21:31.860 --> 00:21:33.340
 Twitch, one of the

00:21:33.340 --> 00:21:34.000
 individuals in there

00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:35.060
 actually watched

00:21:35.060 --> 00:21:37.000
 the service, the

00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:38.740
 Congress online,

00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:40.460
 which we had, you

00:21:40.460 --> 00:21:41.040
 know, just with

00:21:41.040 --> 00:21:41.900
 Resi, I know the

00:21:41.900 --> 00:21:43.000
 stats, we, Resi

00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:43.960
 broadcasted it in

00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:44.600
 seven languages

00:21:44.600 --> 00:21:46.300
 simultaneous, English,

00:21:46.420 --> 00:21:47.260
 Spanish, French,

00:21:47.420 --> 00:21:49.500
 Russian, Portuguese,

00:21:50.340 --> 00:21:52.120
 Mandarin, Chinese, and

00:21:52.120 --> 00:21:53.340
 Korean to get to

00:21:53.340 --> 00:21:53.660
 seven.

00:21:54.120 --> 00:21:57.340
 And then we had,

00:21:57.460 --> 00:21:58.340
 they had actually,

00:21:58.640 --> 00:21:59.300
 and this was

00:21:59.300 --> 00:22:01.040
 Tall Skinny Kiwi

00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:02.800
 actually developed a

00:22:02.800 --> 00:22:04.000
 virtual reality lounge

00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:04.860
 for people to meet

00:22:04.860 --> 00:22:06.400
 and connect with all

00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:06.720
 over.

00:22:06.940 --> 00:22:07.600
 And so it was, like,

00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:08.660
 really cool to see,

00:22:08.740 --> 00:22:09.660
 you know, how

00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:11.060
 interconnected TCD

00:22:11.060 --> 00:22:12.080
 ended up becoming

00:22:12.080 --> 00:22:13.240
 with Lizana making

00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:13.740
 this happen.

00:22:13.780 --> 00:22:14.360
 It was so cool.

00:22:14.860 --> 00:22:15.600
 But the individual,

00:22:15.980 --> 00:22:16.680
 there's somebody in

00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:17.340
 chat that's from a

00:22:17.340 --> 00:22:18.940
 closed country, and

00:22:18.940 --> 00:22:20.340
 he connected, he

00:22:20.340 --> 00:22:21.080
 actually reached out

00:22:21.080 --> 00:22:22.860
 to me, book time

00:22:22.860 --> 00:22:23.760
 with me during the

00:22:23.760 --> 00:22:24.260
 Congress.

00:22:24.840 --> 00:22:25.640
 I think the first

00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:26.480
 time it showed up,

00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:27.880
 like, the time zones

00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:28.240
 were weird.

00:22:28.340 --> 00:22:28.680
 I don't know how

00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:29.880
 this worked, but he

00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:30.640
 scheduled a call with

00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:31.320
 me at 2 a.m.

00:22:31.360 --> 00:22:32.120
 Korean time.

00:22:32.740 --> 00:22:34.000
 And I was like,

00:22:34.080 --> 00:22:35.600
 I'm not going to

00:22:35.600 --> 00:22:36.360
 make that call, bud,

00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:36.740
 sorry.

00:22:37.700 --> 00:22:38.360
 And so we

00:22:38.360 --> 00:22:38.880
 rescheduled.

00:22:39.080 --> 00:22:39.380
 But, you know,

00:22:39.420 --> 00:22:40.220
 he's in a closed

00:22:40.220 --> 00:22:41.060
 country and trying to

00:22:41.060 --> 00:22:42.540
 figure out digital

00:22:42.540 --> 00:22:43.500
 ministry, and so he's

00:22:43.500 --> 00:22:44.280
 hanging out and

00:22:44.280 --> 00:22:44.960
 talking with people

00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:45.680
 in the chat, and

00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:46.260
 he's been on

00:22:46.260 --> 00:22:47.600
 WhatsApp and Discord,

00:22:48.060 --> 00:22:49.020
 and, you know,

00:22:49.080 --> 00:22:51.460
 that's the game

00:22:51.460 --> 00:22:52.520
 right now where we

00:22:52.520 --> 00:22:53.960
 want to create, we

00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:54.740
 want to connect with

00:22:54.740 --> 00:22:55.780
 people like our

00:22:55.780 --> 00:22:56.620
 friend here through

00:22:56.620 --> 00:22:57.360
 the Congress and

00:22:57.360 --> 00:22:57.980
 other people, we

00:22:57.980 --> 00:22:58.520
 want to invite them

00:22:58.520 --> 00:22:59.800
 in a community to

00:22:59.800 --> 00:23:00.900
 build relationships,

00:23:01.180 --> 00:23:02.200
 establish trust, and

00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:02.840
 gain credibility,

00:23:03.020 --> 00:23:04.100
 essentially, to get

00:23:04.100 --> 00:23:04.700
 us to the point

00:23:04.700 --> 00:23:05.660
 where we're going to

00:23:05.660 --> 00:23:06.280
 start to talk about

00:23:06.280 --> 00:23:06.880
 equipping and

00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:07.520
 equipping digital

00:23:07.520 --> 00:23:08.320
 missionaries, and

00:23:08.320 --> 00:23:09.320
 we're going to get

00:23:09.320 --> 00:23:12.040
 into that in a

00:23:12.040 --> 00:23:12.480
 little bit.

00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:12.940
 But, you know,

00:23:12.980 --> 00:23:14.360
 even, let's, you

00:23:14.360 --> 00:23:15.160
 know, let's segue

00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:15.840
 into this as we're

00:23:15.840 --> 00:23:17.120
 talking about, you

00:23:17.120 --> 00:23:17.500
 know, digital

00:23:17.500 --> 00:23:18.000
 missionaries.

00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:18.760
 This was really

00:23:18.760 --> 00:23:20.480
 the first time,

00:23:20.580 --> 00:23:21.580
 Jason, that we

00:23:21.580 --> 00:23:23.720
 publicly talked about,

00:23:23.900 --> 00:23:25.040
 you know, digital

00:23:25.040 --> 00:23:25.920
 missionaries and being

00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:26.620
 digital missionaries

00:23:26.620 --> 00:23:27.080
 in the ages.

00:23:27.220 --> 00:23:27.760
 Like, we've done

00:23:27.760 --> 00:23:29.200
 internal language with

00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:29.860
 our friends in

00:23:29.860 --> 00:23:30.620
 Discord, and, you

00:23:30.620 --> 00:23:31.800
 know, everybody's

00:23:31.800 --> 00:23:32.240
 going to love.

00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:33.400
 I'm not going to

00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:34.220
 stand in Discord and

00:23:34.220 --> 00:23:34.760
 say anything that

00:23:34.760 --> 00:23:35.220
 everybody's going to

00:23:35.220 --> 00:23:35.660
 hate, because they're

00:23:35.660 --> 00:23:36.380
 like, oh, yeah, this

00:23:36.380 --> 00:23:37.040
 is awesome, blah, blah,

00:23:37.060 --> 00:23:38.620
 blah, it's great, you

00:23:38.620 --> 00:23:40.960
 know, sell them land in

00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:41.560
 the Everglades, and

00:23:41.560 --> 00:23:41.900
 they think it's

00:23:41.900 --> 00:23:42.580
 incredible, especially

00:23:42.580 --> 00:23:43.320
 with the storm coming.

00:23:44.040 --> 00:23:46.080
 But, you know, if you

00:23:46.080 --> 00:23:48.960
 try to sell this idea

00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:50.680
 to people that are

00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:51.580
 called to Christ, and

00:23:51.580 --> 00:23:52.220
 even, they're not

00:23:52.220 --> 00:23:52.820
 called to Christ, but

00:23:52.820 --> 00:23:53.740
 called to digital

00:23:53.740 --> 00:23:55.460
 ministry, like, it

00:23:55.460 --> 00:23:58.580
 was scary to me a

00:23:58.580 --> 00:23:59.380
 little bit, like, how

00:23:59.380 --> 00:24:00.320
 it would be received.

00:24:01.360 --> 00:24:03.060
 And it was, it was

00:24:03.060 --> 00:24:05.140
 encouraging to me to

00:24:05.140 --> 00:24:07.440
 see how many people got

00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:08.860
 on board with the idea

00:24:08.860 --> 00:24:09.920
 of being a digital

00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:10.280
 missionary.

00:24:10.280 --> 00:24:11.920
 Like, we had, I don't

00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:12.800
 know, 400-plus

00:24:12.800 --> 00:24:13.940
 conversations, four to

00:24:13.940 --> 00:24:14.420
 500.

00:24:14.740 --> 00:24:15.420
 I hate we handed out

00:24:15.420 --> 00:24:18.000
 450 stickers with a QR

00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:21.220
 code on it, and just

00:24:21.220 --> 00:24:22.720
 all sorts of people were

00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:24.840
 interested in the idea.

00:24:24.980 --> 00:24:26.020
 It was interesting, just

00:24:26.020 --> 00:24:27.800
 as a kind of a, I

00:24:27.800 --> 00:24:28.880
 didn't see that coming.

00:24:29.040 --> 00:24:29.960
 Maybe I should have, but

00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:30.540
 I didn't.

00:24:31.360 --> 00:24:33.160
 You know, in America

00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:36.300
 and in the Discord

00:24:36.300 --> 00:24:37.260
 community, for the most

00:24:37.260 --> 00:24:39.040
 part, the conversations

00:24:39.040 --> 00:24:40.240
 we've had up to

00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:42.960
 Lausanne were people

00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:45.960
 that were somewhat

00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:46.760
 aware of digital

00:24:46.760 --> 00:24:47.220
 ministry.

00:24:47.660 --> 00:24:48.800
 Like, the average

00:24:48.800 --> 00:24:50.120
 persona we talk to is

00:24:50.120 --> 00:24:51.840
 somebody who actually is

00:24:51.840 --> 00:24:52.680
 very comfortable with

00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:53.720
 digital ministry, just

00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:54.700
 has been told by their

00:24:54.700 --> 00:24:55.580
 leadership it doesn't

00:24:55.580 --> 00:24:56.340
 work that way.

00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:57.640
 and they're coming to us

00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:58.780
 to get validation and

00:24:58.780 --> 00:24:59.780
 permission to actually do

00:24:59.780 --> 00:25:01.780
 ministry outside of, you

00:25:01.780 --> 00:25:02.820
 know, the church and the

00:25:02.820 --> 00:25:03.840
 denomination and everybody

00:25:03.840 --> 00:25:04.820
 being critical around

00:25:04.820 --> 00:25:05.080
 them.

00:25:06.080 --> 00:25:07.080
 That wasn't who we

00:25:07.080 --> 00:25:08.000
 connected with in Korea.

00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:09.620
 The people we connected

00:25:09.620 --> 00:25:11.160
 with in Korea actually, for

00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:12.620
 the most part, had little

00:25:12.620 --> 00:25:14.360
 to no grounding in

00:25:14.360 --> 00:25:16.060
 digital ministry or digital

00:25:16.060 --> 00:25:16.680
 anything.

00:25:17.420 --> 00:25:18.800
 There were more typical

00:25:18.800 --> 00:25:21.300
 missionaries, church

00:25:21.300 --> 00:25:23.120
 planters, like, I don't

00:25:23.120 --> 00:25:23.960
 have to say normal people,

00:25:24.060 --> 00:25:25.080
 but really, really, really

00:25:25.080 --> 00:25:26.060
 normal people doing

00:25:26.060 --> 00:25:28.220
 ministry, not, you know,

00:25:28.380 --> 00:25:29.740
 experts in the digital.

00:25:29.820 --> 00:25:31.460
 There were experts, but for

00:25:31.460 --> 00:25:32.740
 the most part, it was just,

00:25:32.800 --> 00:25:34.140
 you know, salt of the earth

00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:36.100
 people trying to, you know,

00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:37.340
 extend their ministry by

00:25:37.340 --> 00:25:38.160
 looking at digital.

00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.040
 And they were so excited

00:25:40.040 --> 00:25:42.560
 about the idea of digital.

00:25:42.740 --> 00:25:43.740
 Do you maybe, do you have a

00:25:43.740 --> 00:25:45.940
 Sherry or, Sherry, a story

00:25:45.940 --> 00:25:47.280
 or anything you want to throw

00:25:47.280 --> 00:25:47.660
 into that?

00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:50.540
 I think, I think one, one

00:25:50.540 --> 00:25:51.560
 thing when, you know, they,

00:25:51.700 --> 00:25:52.800
 they're in the digital

00:25:52.800 --> 00:25:54.880
 discovery center, that, that

00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.400
 little expo area of all the

00:25:57.400 --> 00:25:58.060
 digital tools.

00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:00.540
 We got folks with VR headsets

00:26:00.540 --> 00:26:03.140
 and NFTs and Web3 and dude,

00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:04.440
 all the crazy stuff, right?

00:26:04.800 --> 00:26:06.280
 And they walk up to the booth

00:26:06.280 --> 00:26:06.980
 and they're like, okay,

00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:07.780
 what do you do?

00:26:08.540 --> 00:26:10.940
 And I would tell them we're a

00:26:10.940 --> 00:26:13.540
 digital mission sending

00:26:13.540 --> 00:26:13.920
 agency.

00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:18.660
 And they'd be like, uh, what?

00:26:19.040 --> 00:26:20.340
 Sometimes they would say,

00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:22.000
 what is that?

00:26:22.940 --> 00:26:24.300
 Because they're like digital

00:26:24.300 --> 00:26:24.720
 missionary.

00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:26.140
 That was a little bit of

00:26:26.140 --> 00:26:27.100
 cognitive dissonance for

00:26:27.100 --> 00:26:27.260
 them.

00:26:27.660 --> 00:26:29.200
 Not that they're close to it.

00:26:29.280 --> 00:26:30.300
 They just didn't know.

00:26:30.800 --> 00:26:31.900
 And then the other ones were

00:26:31.900 --> 00:26:33.720
 like, oh, tell me more about

00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:34.020
 that.

00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:37.740
 I got both responses, but

00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:39.640
 neither were antagonistic.

00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:41.440
 They just either didn't know

00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:43.240
 or they did and wanted more.

00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:45.700
 And the follow-up to that was

00:26:45.700 --> 00:26:48.140
 always, um, yes, we send

00:26:48.140 --> 00:26:50.820
 digital missionaries making

00:26:50.820 --> 00:26:53.860
 digital disciples gathering in

00:26:53.860 --> 00:26:55.700
 digital first churches that

00:26:55.700 --> 00:26:57.380
 send digital missionaries to do

00:26:57.380 --> 00:26:57.740
 the same.

00:26:58.260 --> 00:26:59.400
 That's pretty much it.

00:26:59.820 --> 00:27:01.540
 And that little simple

00:27:01.540 --> 00:27:04.300
 explanation for a lot of

00:27:04.300 --> 00:27:06.180
 people, especially those who

00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:10.080
 are missionally minded, it

00:27:10.080 --> 00:27:11.500
 just crystallized for them and

00:27:11.500 --> 00:27:12.360
 it made sense.

00:27:12.940 --> 00:27:14.080
 And for those who needed

00:27:14.080 --> 00:27:16.140
 further explanation, they're

00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:17.240
 like, well, what is a digital

00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:17.540
 missionary?

00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:18.280
 And I'm like, well, you know

00:27:18.280 --> 00:27:19.040
 what a missionary is?

00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:19.480
 Yes.

00:27:20.560 --> 00:27:22.000
 It's a person who tells people

00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:23.560
 about Jesus using digital tools.

00:27:23.900 --> 00:27:24.440
 That's it.

00:27:25.600 --> 00:27:27.640
 And once they realized how

00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.240
 simple it was, then they're

00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:31.860
 like, wait, I use WhatsApp to do

00:27:31.860 --> 00:27:32.320
 that already.

00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:33.140
 And I'm like, well, you're

00:27:33.140 --> 00:27:34.140
 probably a digital missionary.

00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:35.140
 You don't even realize it.

00:27:35.660 --> 00:27:37.500
 Now, the question is, are you

00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:39.300
 leveraging it to its maximum

00:27:39.300 --> 00:27:41.000
 potential or not?

00:27:41.600 --> 00:27:42.960
 Then now we can have a

00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:43.420
 conversation.

00:27:43.700 --> 00:27:44.400
 We can help you.

00:27:44.580 --> 00:27:46.400
 We have a bunch of resources,

00:27:46.740 --> 00:27:49.100
 ideas, a community that can share

00:27:49.100 --> 00:27:50.340
 best practices, all those sorts

00:27:50.340 --> 00:27:50.720
 of things.

00:27:51.140 --> 00:27:52.300
 And then they're, they would just

00:27:52.300 --> 00:27:53.800
 light up and they're like, oh, I

00:27:53.800 --> 00:27:54.760
 got to be a part of this.

00:27:55.260 --> 00:27:56.780
 And that's basically how the

00:27:56.780 --> 00:27:57.780
 conversations went.

00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.560
 It was really open because

00:28:01.560 --> 00:28:03.860
 you're talking with people who

00:28:03.860 --> 00:28:05.280
 just want to tell others about

00:28:05.280 --> 00:28:07.060
 Jesus, period.

00:28:08.140 --> 00:28:10.020
 You know, it's kind of, you

00:28:10.020 --> 00:28:11.220
 know, when you're talking about

00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:14.380
 just great mission work, where

00:28:14.380 --> 00:28:16.140
 Jesus is saying, you know, make

00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:18.220
 disciples of all nations.

00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:22.640
 How do you do that if you don't

00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:23.080
 use digital?

00:28:25.340 --> 00:28:26.840
 That's going to be a lot of work

00:28:26.840 --> 00:28:28.060
 if you don't use digital.

00:28:28.580 --> 00:28:30.160
 So it's, it's a lot harder

00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.200
 without using digital technology.

00:28:32.340 --> 00:28:33.520
 It's a lot more expensive.

00:28:34.420 --> 00:28:36.100
 And if you take the great

00:28:36.100 --> 00:28:39.080
 commission seriously, you've got

00:28:39.080 --> 00:28:40.360
 to really think that through.

00:28:40.360 --> 00:28:43.060
 Now, it's not to say that, you

00:28:43.060 --> 00:28:45.160
 know, the, the theologians and

00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:46.960
 the pastor types, they have a

00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:50.260
 very necessary and vital part in

00:28:50.260 --> 00:28:52.660
 this work that Jesus has given

00:28:52.660 --> 00:28:53.040
 us.

00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:54.560
 But the people that we were

00:28:54.560 --> 00:28:55.600
 talking to at the Lausanne

00:28:55.600 --> 00:28:57.760
 Congress, the Congress is like

00:28:57.760 --> 00:28:59.360
 Lausanne Congress for world

00:28:59.360 --> 00:29:00.500
 evangelism, right?

00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:02.860
 So it, it had a different spin

00:29:02.860 --> 00:29:03.400
 to it.

00:29:03.580 --> 00:29:04.840
 So when you're talking about

00:29:04.840 --> 00:29:07.920
 world evangelism, it, it's just

00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:09.640
 a different emphasis.

00:29:10.980 --> 00:29:14.220
 Once you go out and share the

00:29:14.220 --> 00:29:16.500
 gospel, somebody has to go behind

00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:18.240
 that guy and actually start

00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:18.840
 planning churches.

00:29:18.940 --> 00:29:19.640
 It's like the difference between

00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:20.460
 Paul and Barnabas.

00:29:21.020 --> 00:29:21.940
 You know, you've got the guy who's

00:29:21.940 --> 00:29:23.600
 on the edge, always wanting to do

00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:24.220
 the new thing.

00:29:24.260 --> 00:29:25.540
 And then you've got the guy that's

00:29:25.540 --> 00:29:26.960
 behind, who's a little bit more

00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:28.920
 relational, who wants to build up

00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.200
 and edify the body of Christ.

00:29:30.560 --> 00:29:32.160
 Now that it's established, you

00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:33.420
 need both, right?

00:29:33.800 --> 00:29:35.240
 But if you're talking to the

00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:37.200
 Barnabas guy about digital

00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.280
 ministry, then he's going to have

00:29:39.280 --> 00:29:40.400
 all kinds of red flags all over

00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:40.820
 the place.

00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.740
 If you're talking to the Paul guy,

00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:45.520
 he's like, let's just get the

00:29:45.520 --> 00:29:48.420
 job done and worry about all the

00:29:48.420 --> 00:29:49.540
 rest is later, right?

00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:50.820
 Let's just get the job done.

00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:52.640
 And so it was really refreshing to

00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.480
 talk to people who are just

00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.740
 telling others about Jesus and

00:29:57.740 --> 00:29:59.380
 trying to find the best tools to

00:29:59.380 --> 00:30:00.060
 make that happen.

00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:02.740
 Yeah, so, so good.

00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:05.620
 I know one of, one of the

00:30:05.620 --> 00:30:08.020
 conversations I had, this guy

00:30:08.020 --> 00:30:09.160
 walks up to the booth.

00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:11.700
 So many good, like I said, 400

00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:12.720
 some conversations.

00:30:12.940 --> 00:30:14.500
 I just, I'll preface it by saying

00:30:14.500 --> 00:30:16.160
 I had two that went negative.

00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:19.200
 One guy's like, what's a, what's

00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:19.880
 a digital missionary?

00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:22.660
 And I handed him the sticker and

00:30:22.660 --> 00:30:23.580
 kind of answered him.

00:30:23.620 --> 00:30:25.000
 And he cut me off about halfway

00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.280
 through my little elevator pitch

00:30:27.280 --> 00:30:28.880
 and he's like, Hey, I appreciate

00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:29.380
 what you're doing.

00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:30.680
 I'm not interested and walked

00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:31.020
 away.

00:30:31.100 --> 00:30:32.120
 And I actually, I was completely

00:30:32.120 --> 00:30:32.760
 fine with that.

00:30:33.260 --> 00:30:36.960
 There was one guy who I'm not

00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:37.940
 going to say who he worked for,

00:30:38.020 --> 00:30:39.080
 but he worked for a Christian

00:30:39.080 --> 00:30:40.660
 book publishing company.

00:30:41.040 --> 00:30:43.140
 And I think when he heard digital

00:30:43.140 --> 00:30:44.820
 and church in the same sentence,

00:30:44.820 --> 00:30:45.760
 he's like, yeah, I'm done.

00:30:46.260 --> 00:30:48.300
 And, um, what it wanted to wanted

00:30:48.300 --> 00:30:49.120
 to pick a fight.

00:30:49.120 --> 00:30:51.320
 And that was like, yeah, I had

00:30:51.320 --> 00:30:52.620
 like four people waiting to talk

00:30:52.620 --> 00:30:53.040
 to me.

00:30:53.040 --> 00:30:55.380
 And then Jason was nowhere to be

00:30:55.380 --> 00:30:55.800
 found.

00:30:55.800 --> 00:30:57.320
 And I kept trying to like defuse

00:30:57.320 --> 00:30:58.580
 this guy and move on.

00:30:58.740 --> 00:31:00.160
 Jason, I say that Jason was

00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:01.980
 talking with partners and doing

00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:03.740
 things like connecting and not at

00:31:03.740 --> 00:31:04.140
 the booth.

00:31:04.600 --> 00:31:06.380
 And, uh, but it was, uh, I was

00:31:06.380 --> 00:31:08.120
 like by myself at the booth and I

00:31:08.120 --> 00:31:10.000
 was trying to move on because I

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:11.420
 had a line and this guy just

00:31:11.420 --> 00:31:12.680
 wanted to kept picking fights.

00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.760
 And it was, it was a frustrating

00:31:14.760 --> 00:31:16.040
 experience, but that was, was

00:31:16.040 --> 00:31:16.360
 minimal.

00:31:16.360 --> 00:31:18.340
 But I had this one guy that, that

00:31:18.340 --> 00:31:20.360
 came up to me and, and he looks

00:31:20.360 --> 00:31:21.840
 down at our, our banner, we had

00:31:21.840 --> 00:31:24.320
 our logo on, on like a table and

00:31:24.320 --> 00:31:25.600
 it said, um, you know, the

00:31:25.600 --> 00:31:26.440
 church.digital.

00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:28.580
 And the guy says to me, he's

00:31:28.580 --> 00:31:31.140
 like, okay, you've got, um, you've

00:31:31.140 --> 00:31:33.700
 got church and digital in your

00:31:33.700 --> 00:31:35.620
 title, in your company name.

00:31:36.140 --> 00:31:37.560
 Um, those are two words that

00:31:37.560 --> 00:31:38.300
 don't go together.

00:31:38.300 --> 00:31:39.300
 So that already makes you

00:31:39.300 --> 00:31:39.880
 interesting.

00:31:41.040 --> 00:31:42.440
 What do you actually do?

00:31:43.260 --> 00:31:44.420
 And I was like, Hey, I'm

00:31:44.420 --> 00:31:46.400
 Jeff, uh, the church digital, we

00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:47.800
 are a digital missionary sending

00:31:47.800 --> 00:31:48.500
 agency.

00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:50.820
 We, and he cuts me off.

00:31:51.020 --> 00:31:52.380
 Like he's a, he's a, he's a

00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:53.280
 C-suite guy.

00:31:53.800 --> 00:31:54.960
 And he's like, all right, I'm

00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:55.280
 sold.

00:31:55.380 --> 00:31:56.100
 You don't even need to tell

00:31:56.100 --> 00:31:56.640
 him anything else.

00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:57.640
 What do I need to do to help?

00:31:57.700 --> 00:31:58.340
 How can I help?

00:31:58.940 --> 00:32:00.500
 And, uh, dude, I like, I met

00:32:00.500 --> 00:32:01.720
 with him for 20 minutes, started

00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:03.160
 talking about all this stuff.

00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.100
 And, uh, it's just, it was

00:32:05.100 --> 00:32:08.580
 exciting to see the vision of,

00:32:08.580 --> 00:32:10.520
 um, digital missionaries, people

00:32:10.520 --> 00:32:11.820
 catching it and running with

00:32:11.820 --> 00:32:11.960
 it.

00:32:12.100 --> 00:32:13.160
 No, they, they really

00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:17.360
 vision crazily enough is

00:32:17.360 --> 00:32:18.960
 probably a little bit further

00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:20.520
 than even some of our team.

00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:22.240
 Like they were talking about

00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:23.080
 transhumanism.

00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:24.320
 They were trying to figure that

00:32:24.320 --> 00:32:25.340
 out, you know?

00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:25.580
 Yeah.

00:32:26.120 --> 00:32:28.460
 And of course I know a little bit

00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:30.420
 about that topic, but I feel

00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:32.980
 like that's 10, 20 years from

00:32:32.980 --> 00:32:33.260
 now.

00:32:33.460 --> 00:32:34.780
 And they're thinking in their

00:32:34.780 --> 00:32:36.320
 mind, well, we're not going to

00:32:36.320 --> 00:32:37.500
 meet for another 10 years.

00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:39.780
 We need to talk about this now so

00:32:39.780 --> 00:32:40.960
 that we can get ahead of it.

00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:42.120
 And yeah, okay.

00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:44.140
 They're talking about how AI and

00:32:44.140 --> 00:32:45.520
 transhumanism and all that kind of

00:32:45.520 --> 00:32:48.820
 stuff, you know, machine sentience

00:32:48.820 --> 00:32:49.900
 and all that stuff.

00:32:50.300 --> 00:32:53.000
 And, and to me, I feel like, well,

00:32:53.040 --> 00:32:55.220
 let's just tell people about Jesus.

00:32:57.300 --> 00:32:59.760
 But I mean, that there was, there

00:32:59.760 --> 00:33:02.840
 was a forward thinking and a breath

00:33:02.840 --> 00:33:05.660
 to the topics at hand on the digital

00:33:05.660 --> 00:33:08.980
 side, I was in a whole, a whole

00:33:08.980 --> 00:33:12.020
 session that we spent days with

00:33:12.020 --> 00:33:14.820
 representatives from every continent

00:33:14.820 --> 00:33:17.680
 around my table talking about how

00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:20.740
 our forms, not functions, but how

00:33:20.740 --> 00:33:23.580
 our forms of church need to change

00:33:23.580 --> 00:33:24.860
 in the digital age.

00:33:25.080 --> 00:33:26.620
 That was a fun conversation.

00:33:27.080 --> 00:33:30.360
 And then we had others that were in

00:33:30.360 --> 00:33:34.240
 other, other breakouts that were

00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:35.640
 spending days talking about, okay,

00:33:35.660 --> 00:33:38.420
 how does discipleship work in the

00:33:38.420 --> 00:33:39.060
 digital age?

00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:40.000
 Yeah.

00:33:40.180 --> 00:33:43.060
 And so I'm really curious to hear

00:33:43.060 --> 00:33:46.200
 what Simon is, what, what his

00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:47.280
 discoveries were.

00:33:47.600 --> 00:33:49.440
 There was some really great

00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.380
 conversations and relationships

00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:56.620
 around action that is, and this is

00:33:56.620 --> 00:33:57.800
 another thing about this particular

00:33:57.800 --> 00:34:00.400
 conference is that it wasn't just a

00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.180
 data dump and a rah, rah, rah

00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:05.060
 inspiration pep rally.

00:34:05.340 --> 00:34:08.500
 It was, no, we're going to sit down and

00:34:08.500 --> 00:34:11.880
 covenant to partner together the next

00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:14.120
 10 years to actually get something done

00:34:14.120 --> 00:34:17.100
 together as the global church, which is

00:34:17.100 --> 00:34:19.420
 very different because when, when you're

00:34:19.420 --> 00:34:21.220
 just pontificating, that's one thing.

00:34:21.220 --> 00:34:22.840
 But when you're sitting down and saying,

00:34:22.940 --> 00:34:24.480
 no, no, no, we're going to work together.

00:34:24.740 --> 00:34:54.000
 I've got, I've got stuff where I'm interacting with folks this morning on actual work that is being done between like alpha and the middle east and digital and all these other things, as well as a whole other group of guys that are going to experiment with different liturgies with a digital layer on top of the hybrid kind of stuff.

00:34:54.000 --> 00:35:00.540
 And report back to the team, I mean, that's not, that's not, that's not a normal conference.

00:35:00.540 --> 00:35:01.680
 That's not a normal conference.

00:35:01.940 --> 00:35:04.220
 This is, this is a, they're work groups.

00:35:04.460 --> 00:35:06.320
 This is the global church working together.

00:35:06.860 --> 00:35:09.240
 And yeah, I'm super excited to see what's going to come.

00:35:09.340 --> 00:35:09.580
 Yeah.

00:35:10.220 --> 00:35:11.420
 I'm, I'm, I'm really curious.

00:35:11.500 --> 00:35:11.860
 I was funny.

00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:16.320
 I tried, they tried to pull me into the train humanism conversation a little bit too.

00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:20.540
 And I was like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not ready to, to do that.

00:35:20.540 --> 00:35:22.280
 Like I'm not discrediting you.

00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:23.100
 I think it's awesome.

00:35:23.520 --> 00:35:26.660
 I want, I wanted to be in the room to listen.

00:35:27.080 --> 00:35:29.640
 Like, it was funny when somebody told me they were in the train humanism group.

00:35:29.640 --> 00:35:32.460
 I was like, did they take it serious or was it a joke?

00:35:32.860 --> 00:35:33.800
 Like, no, it was serious.

00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:34.620
 It's good for them.

00:35:34.680 --> 00:35:35.860
 You know, and that's what I heard.

00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:39.340
 It was, it was really serious, but it was funny.

00:35:39.380 --> 00:35:41.980
 So I was like, I'm going to go to the digital discipleship one.

00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:44.200
 And that's the one Simon did go to that.

00:35:44.240 --> 00:35:44.400
 Right.

00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:44.980
 Is that what you say?

00:35:45.020 --> 00:35:45.180
 Yeah.

00:35:45.180 --> 00:35:45.640
 That's what I thought.

00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.380
 And, and so it's like, that's the one I wanted to go to.

00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:53.900
 And at the last minute, somebody from another organization came, basically came up and was

00:35:53.900 --> 00:35:57.740
 like, Hey, everybody tells me you're, you guys are really good at community.

00:35:57.740 --> 00:35:58.140
 Right.

00:35:58.200 --> 00:36:01.880
 And I was like, I mean, yes, it's the, what we do.

00:36:02.300 --> 00:36:02.780
 The community.

00:36:04.420 --> 00:36:04.860
 Huh?

00:36:05.160 --> 00:36:05.360
 Yeah.

00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:05.580
 Yeah.

00:36:05.620 --> 00:36:05.720
 Yeah.

00:36:05.720 --> 00:36:06.320
 We're a community.

00:36:07.820 --> 00:36:12.360
 And, and so he's like, well, I'm, I'm leading one over here on community.

00:36:12.940 --> 00:36:13.800
 Digital community.

00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.480
 And so I don't care what you're going to.

00:36:15.540 --> 00:36:16.220
 You're coming to mind.

00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:21.720
 This guy literally stole me, uh, to go, to go to his breakout, like in a completely different

00:36:21.720 --> 00:36:23.760
 building on the 46th floor.

00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.200
 I'm like hobbling around with a cane back and forth.

00:36:27.380 --> 00:36:28.740
 How did I go by the way?

00:36:28.820 --> 00:36:31.900
 I never did get a chance to figure out what happened with all of that.

00:36:32.680 --> 00:36:34.520
 With the digital community or with the cane?

00:36:34.540 --> 00:36:34.780
 Yeah.

00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:37.120
 The digital community one.

00:36:37.600 --> 00:36:40.940
 Um, we, so there were like four groups in there.

00:36:41.780 --> 00:36:47.400
 And, um, the, there were two of them basically got, when we talk about these breakouts, it's

00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:48.340
 not your typical breakout.

00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:55.480
 This is like a, it's a gap GAP, um, where it's basically like there's a, there's 25 major

00:36:55.480 --> 00:37:00.760
 issues and it's our job as, as a Congress to address the 25 issues.

00:37:01.160 --> 00:37:04.400
 And, and one of the transhumanism was one of the gaps.

00:37:05.460 --> 00:37:07.160
 Digital community was one of the gaps.

00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:12.060
 And so there were four groups in the room, uh, that were meeting to try to figure out

00:37:12.060 --> 00:37:16.420
 how to, um, solve this digital community gap.

00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:23.400
 Now of the, of the four subgroups within the room on digital community, two of them were

00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:26.040
 like, we're going to try better to do this.

00:37:26.040 --> 00:37:27.120
 And we're going to do this.

00:37:27.120 --> 00:37:28.620
 And at my church, we're going to do this.

00:37:28.740 --> 00:37:33.840
 And it wasn't big C church as much as them as an individual, not discrediting that, but

00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:35.740
 it wasn't, I don't feel like it was the focus.

00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:38.340
 Um, there were two groups.

00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:40.760
 There was the group that I ended up being at.

00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:49.020
 And then the guy that stole me, his kind of subgroup, um, were like the two really big C church

00:37:49.020 --> 00:37:49.960
 level things.

00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:57.740
 And so I put together, I say this, not me, but within, within the group that I was working

00:37:57.740 --> 00:38:01.300
 with, there was a, uh, talking about continents.

00:38:01.740 --> 00:38:08.800
 Uh, it was North America, it was Europe, it was Asia, and it was, um, Oceania.

00:38:09.160 --> 00:38:13.220
 So there were, there were four people, probably five nationalities, five or six nationalities

00:38:13.220 --> 00:38:15.000
 speaking into this thing, man.

00:38:15.060 --> 00:38:16.400
 It was, it was unbelievable.

00:38:17.120 --> 00:38:22.220
 Um, we're all on WhatsApp, like, you know, no way to get us all together on a zoom call

00:38:22.220 --> 00:38:25.160
 because it's just time zones are so crazy as we're spread out all over.

00:38:25.780 --> 00:38:34.740
 But, um, we designed a research project that I'm now working with, uh, Lizanne to try to

00:38:34.740 --> 00:38:39.800
 figure out funding, honestly, and I'm not saying this officially, like one of the options on

00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:44.920
 the table is taking it to Barna and letting Barna run with the project.

00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:50.060
 And so like where that's on the table, like I'm look, honestly, I'm looking at this thing

00:38:50.060 --> 00:38:52.460
 and saying this research project is going to be my next book.

00:38:52.680 --> 00:38:56.160
 Um, my, I don't know if it's my next one, but I'm going to write a book on this, like

00:38:56.160 --> 00:39:00.480
 the, the depth of digital community towards discipleship and how to manage that.

00:39:00.700 --> 00:39:07.580
 We're, we're wanting to test the, um, the effectiveness of evangelism, of discipleship, of building trust,

00:39:08.120 --> 00:39:14.460
 mental health implications, best practices, a lot, kind of the superficial, superficial light

00:39:14.460 --> 00:39:18.040
 words, but some, some of the, like the, the easy lessons to come from that.

00:39:18.600 --> 00:39:24.780
 Now, what the other group within digital community wants to do is they want that, those best practices

00:39:24.780 --> 00:39:35.000
 to, to dig into, um, now a much larger theological and, uh, academic, uh, conversation, like how

00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.720
 do we address this at the big C church level?

00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:44.220
 Like we, my project's more of the prerequisite that gives people, you know, ammunition to fire

00:39:44.220 --> 00:39:46.120
 in, in the larger conversations.

00:39:46.120 --> 00:39:49.900
 And that's where it's like digital community is how we open up into the conversation.

00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:54.180
 And then we're going to get into anthropomorphism, which is going to get us into blah, blah, blah.

00:39:54.260 --> 00:39:55.100
 And that's going to get us into training.

00:39:55.220 --> 00:39:59.660
 And so like, they're, they're figuring out how to like, they're playing chess and we're like

00:39:59.660 --> 00:40:03.460
 playing checkers on this, you know, much smaller thing in digital community.

00:40:03.680 --> 00:40:05.180
 And so they told me that's what they were doing.

00:40:05.240 --> 00:40:10.800
 I was like, I, I am not jumping into a conversation with academics on transhumanism.

00:40:10.900 --> 00:40:11.800
 You all are crazy.

00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:13.080
 If you think that's going to be helpful.

00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:14.840
 And they were like, no, no, no, no, no.

00:40:14.860 --> 00:40:16.560
 You just, you just do digital community.

00:40:16.560 --> 00:40:19.840
 You give us the stuff that you're talking about and we'll do the rest.

00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:21.440
 And I'm like, I can do that.

00:40:21.540 --> 00:40:26.540
 And so we're, um, yeah, I'm literally bringing on a project manager now for that.

00:40:26.640 --> 00:40:30.880
 And, uh, trying to figure out funding and all sorts of fun stuff that you get to when

00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:32.380
 you're doing research projects like this.

00:40:32.380 --> 00:40:40.960
 So I, uh, you know, I went into Lausanne thinking, you know, um, no, I mean, it was,

00:40:41.060 --> 00:40:42.280
 it was going to be more work either way.

00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:46.300
 Like there was no way coming out of, it was going to be less work, but the, the, uh, the

00:40:46.300 --> 00:40:50.900
 gap stuff, I was like, in my mind, it was, I'm totally just going to phone this in and

00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:54.900
 you know, get off my beat, take a break and rest.

00:40:54.900 --> 00:41:00.680
 And all of a sudden, like, um, I'm smack in the middle of everything and, and running point

00:41:00.680 --> 00:41:08.300
 with this multi, uh, national project, uh, involving, you know, 10 of the top global organizations,

00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:10.860
 missional organizations in the, on the planet.

00:41:10.860 --> 00:41:16.100
 And it's like, okay, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm glad to do that, but, um, we'll figure it out.

00:41:16.100 --> 00:41:23.840
 It wasn't like in, in that sense that God was answering prayer because this community was

00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:30.380
 praying for the two of us, that God would orchestrate, um, divine encounters.

00:41:30.380 --> 00:41:42.040
 And I'm telling you, Jesus did that all week because there were a constellation of conversations

00:41:42.040 --> 00:41:51.220
 that I could not have orchestrated that have been brought together to help the global church

00:41:51.220 --> 00:41:54.620
 in meaningful ways from all around the world.

00:41:54.620 --> 00:42:02.300
 Um, and I'm super excited about what that will mean for outposts in the Middle East and how that

00:42:02.300 --> 00:42:13.700
 affects, you know, the Jews for Jesus and alpha for, you know, the Muslim nations and, um,

00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:23.760
 yeah, if all of those things together was like, wait a minute, it's not, this cannot be by accident.

00:42:23.980 --> 00:42:31.940
 And so thanks community for the ways that you prayed for us while we were there because Jesus

00:42:31.940 --> 00:42:35.040
 was just like, you need to talk to this person.

00:42:35.040 --> 00:42:36.880
 And this person can sit down at your table.

00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:43.080
 Like there were random people that weren't even scheduled for the table that I was sitting at

00:42:43.080 --> 00:42:46.880
 that were just like, Hey, I'm just going to pull in here.

00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:48.000
 No one's at my table.

00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:54.500
 And the, you know, coordinator for alpha, you know, partnership just happened to be there.

00:42:54.620 --> 00:42:54.820
 Yeah.

00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:55.800
 Okay.

00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.700
 I've been trying to get in touch with you for months, bro.

00:43:00.260 --> 00:43:01.360
 That's so funny.

00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:06.260
 The, uh, prop, probably the most ironic conversation I had.

00:43:06.500 --> 00:43:11.960
 Um, it was, it was the random people at, at a breakfast table or, uh, or for me, it was

00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:13.560
 the bus rides back and forth.

00:43:13.560 --> 00:43:19.380
 And, um, one morning I sat down, uh, next to this guy and his name was, his name was

00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:19.720
 Jeffrey.

00:43:20.120 --> 00:43:22.120
 And, uh, we kind of older gentlemen.

00:43:22.300 --> 00:43:23.700
 I mean, I'm old, but he's older than me.

00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.160
 And, um, uh, it was a white guy, but he talked in an accent.

00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:29.380
 He was basically from Canada.

00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:35.260
 And, um, I, uh, I, I, I asked him, uh, you know, we joked about each other's names

00:43:35.260 --> 00:43:36.780
 on our lanyards, Jeff and Jeffrey.

00:43:37.040 --> 00:43:38.160
 And I was like, well, what do you do?

00:43:38.180 --> 00:43:41.000
 And he's like, well, my job's the simplest on the planet to describe.

00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:45.780
 Uh, I'm, uh, uh, I forget what he said, but it's basically, he's like the president of

00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:48.480
 a university in a Bible school in Canada.

00:43:49.600 --> 00:43:53.880
 And, um, I, I laughed and I was like, well, mine's not easy to describe.

00:43:54.040 --> 00:43:57.200
 Um, I'm founder of a digital missionary sending organization.

00:43:58.060 --> 00:44:02.180
 And, uh, and he's like, what the garbage is that?

00:44:02.200 --> 00:44:04.980
 Like he's his face on his look on his face was, was shocking.

00:44:05.900 --> 00:44:10.580
 And, and literally I had like a 25 minute bus ride sit next to this guy where basically

00:44:10.580 --> 00:44:14.920
 I'm like, Hey, why doesn't your school teach a digital ministry?

00:44:15.260 --> 00:44:17.900
 And what do we need to do to actually make that happen?

00:44:18.380 --> 00:44:24.660
 Do you not actually think it's a valid ministry method or is there other, you know, nefarious

00:44:24.660 --> 00:44:26.480
 forces that are keeping it from happening?

00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:31.560
 Like, what is the issue that with digital ministry, not being addressed in the average

00:44:31.560 --> 00:44:35.320
 seminary and Bible college in Northern America?

00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:42.080
 Um, and, um, I mean, it's just a very kind of frank conversation and it just, it was really

00:44:42.080 --> 00:44:48.520
 informative into some of the, the roadblocks and, and, and issues centered around Christian

00:44:48.520 --> 00:44:49.140
 academics.

00:44:49.820 --> 00:44:54.020
 Um, and that's why I'm so glad kind of after the fact, a couple of days later, these guys

00:44:54.020 --> 00:44:57.480
 tell me, yeah, this is the, this is the plan of attack that, and you're, you're the kind

00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.420
 of the prerequisite for us to, to go attack over there.

00:45:00.420 --> 00:45:01.720
 So, you know, keep going.

00:45:02.420 --> 00:45:05.340
 Um, it's kind of fun to see how we're, we're going to be.

00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:11.880
 Um, part of the solution, uh, in, in addressing digital ministry and digital discipleship and

00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:15.060
 ultimately digital community in, uh, in some of these circles.

00:45:15.060 --> 00:45:15.900
 So, so good.

00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:20.180
 Um, do we want to talk about EDM?

00:45:20.240 --> 00:45:21.940
 We can mix EDM here in a little bit.

00:45:21.980 --> 00:45:23.860
 Let's talk about outposts.

00:45:23.860 --> 00:45:32.140
 So, um, you know, we, we had conversations, like I said, with four to 500, um, digital people,

00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:37.480
 missionaries, potential digital planters and, uh, digital missionaries, but there were a

00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:41.680
 handful that kind of rose to the top quickly.

00:45:42.120 --> 00:45:49.160
 Um, you know, maybe, maybe their vision or their experience or their understanding of multiplication

00:45:49.160 --> 00:45:50.900
 kind of showed above the rest.

00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:56.400
 Um, the team that they had kind of backing them in that, uh, interestingly, I met a guy

00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:04.020
 who I did not realize, um, but a guy that's running a digital only church in Argentina.

00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:12.180
 Um, and it's, um, using, uh, I forget the name of the community, but it's something can

00:46:12.180 --> 00:46:17.680
 be, it's, it's like one of these, these cartoony, like community town or something like that with

00:46:17.680 --> 00:46:21.780
 the cartoony where you drag the icon around to the different people.

00:46:22.380 --> 00:46:26.360
 Uh, and, uh, like that's what he uses for a digital church.

00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:30.020
 And I was like, I've never heard anybody actually using that for a church.

00:46:30.020 --> 00:46:30.560
 How many people?

00:46:30.580 --> 00:46:32.460
 It's like, Oh, we got like 600 people every week.

00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:34.800
 Holy crap.

00:46:34.860 --> 00:46:37.100
 And it's, and I was like, well, is that just all watching services?

00:46:37.100 --> 00:46:37.820
 Like, no, no, no.

00:46:37.820 --> 00:46:41.800
 So that's like, that's small groups and community and engaging in discipleship.

00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:47.480
 And, um, you know, as I was talking to him in South America, um, you know, one or two

00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:53.920
 conversations opened up in the middle East, uh, the, the Philippine, uh, not the Philippine,

00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:59.940
 but the, the Pacific islands over there, Oceania opened up through a relation, a friend of a

00:46:59.940 --> 00:47:06.920
 friend, um, where else are we talking to a lot of Africa, a lot of India, probably the

00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:12.660
 number one nationality we talked to was India, um, Africa, like the content.

00:47:12.780 --> 00:47:13.780
 I know Africa is a continent.

00:47:13.780 --> 00:47:14.880
 Don't, don't judge.

00:47:15.240 --> 00:47:26.500
 Uh, but Africa was probably number two and, um, maybe a mix of, um, Pacific and, uh, Pacific

00:47:26.500 --> 00:47:31.580
 islands is probably number three, um, with middle East kind of mixed in as well.

00:47:31.580 --> 00:47:36.480
 But there were, there were a lot of outpost leaders, you know, that rose up.

00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:37.500
 It was so funny.

00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:42.620
 And you could always, you could always tell, tell the multipliers in the room, um, because

00:47:42.620 --> 00:47:49.000
 they would ask a question like, um, how do I, how do I train others?

00:47:49.520 --> 00:47:52.920
 You know, whether they're thinking, how do I train the people at my church?

00:47:53.160 --> 00:47:55.400
 How do I train the people on my team?

00:47:56.220 --> 00:47:59.580
 Um, you know, and it's, oh yeah, no, we're, we're trained to trainers.

00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:04.460
 We, we want you to go through our process and then you have the freedom to connect, contextualize

00:48:04.460 --> 00:48:05.360
 it however you want.

00:48:05.720 --> 00:48:07.800
 You know, we believe in the train the trainer approach.

00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:08.640
 We want to train you.

00:48:08.640 --> 00:48:12.140
 Um, you know, I, I, I don't know anything about India.

00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:17.500
 I there's eight, there's 1100 languages and, uh, you know, that's, you know, dialects and

00:48:17.500 --> 00:48:18.900
 I don't know any of them.

00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:23.360
 And so I'm, um, this is not the face of a man that's going to tell you how to do, you

00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:24.480
 know, your ministry in India.

00:48:24.640 --> 00:48:31.100
 You are, but how can I equip you and how can I help you resource you to do this?

00:48:31.100 --> 00:48:34.220
 And connect you with other people in the community that are from there too.

00:48:34.700 --> 00:48:42.500
 So we have, we have outpost leaders that, you know, they're, they're in India, so it's

00:48:42.500 --> 00:48:49.860
 closer and I feel like whatever we can do at this stage to, you know, get a little bit

00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:58.040
 closer culturally to where people are feeling called and need resourcing, we can kind of

00:48:58.040 --> 00:48:59.120
 do that right now.

00:48:59.480 --> 00:48:59.580
 Yeah.

00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.320
 We've got folks in Africa.

00:49:01.640 --> 00:49:03.660
 We've got folks in India.

00:49:03.900 --> 00:49:11.240
 We didn't have until recently, anyone in the middle East, we've got contacts, but now

00:49:11.240 --> 00:49:18.700
 now post leader, and then in Latin America, we, we've got some potential for stuff.

00:49:19.040 --> 00:49:25.160
 And so the, the conversations that we had and the connections, I feel like are only going

00:49:25.160 --> 00:49:32.140
 to grow in time as we, you know, work this community thing, this global community that

00:49:32.140 --> 00:49:39.480
 we have out together, um, so yeah, I feel like we're just air traffic controlling right

00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:40.480
 now.

00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:47.400
 And by the way, the pivot, yeah, the pivot at the last second to launch the WhatsApp community

00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:54.920
 was, I mean, I'm not saying that Simon and Nesh are like the voice of God speaking, but

00:49:54.920 --> 00:50:01.340
 oh my gosh, of the four to 500 conversations we had, I only had two people acknowledge that

00:50:01.340 --> 00:50:03.240
 they actually knew what discord was.

00:50:03.940 --> 00:50:07.280
 And everybody else was WhatsApp, WhatsApp, WhatsApp, WhatsApp, WhatsApp.

00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:11.280
 And so, um, that was so good that, that we went that direction.

00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.280
 Thank you guys for pushing that.

00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:17.880
 And I know we've got, uh, close to a hundred, if not a hundred, I think I saw a number of

00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:19.680
 a hundred on a, on a dashboard somewhere.

00:50:19.680 --> 00:50:25.160
 So, man, without, not even a month old with a hundred people in there and as more and more

00:50:25.160 --> 00:50:29.740
 people process through the, the, the Congress and, and I'm, I'm excited to see that grow.

00:50:29.900 --> 00:50:34.160
 I'm not officially saying this, you know, Jason, Jamo and I were talking about this several

00:50:34.160 --> 00:50:34.940
 times in Korea.

00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:42.340
 WhatsApp will be the, the, the future main community of the church digital.

00:50:42.740 --> 00:50:46.120
 Like this thing will only scale globally.

00:50:46.120 --> 00:50:53.720
 I don't mean only, but it is going to scale globally and the, the scalability of, uh, WhatsApp

00:50:53.720 --> 00:50:58.240
 into those platforms, into those people groups, into those communities, into those areas.

00:50:58.900 --> 00:51:02.560
 Um, it will be the, uh, the main one.

00:51:02.740 --> 00:51:06.440
 Now we've got a lot invested into discord and love discord.

00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:10.020
 And we're going to, we're going to see both of them, you know, operate simultaneously.

00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:14.820
 We're not going to shut one down until, you know, one of them goes, uh, Mighty Networks

00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:19.220
 are out and just, but I'm confident that's not going to be a problem.

00:51:19.380 --> 00:51:23.780
 Well, it kind of reminds me of the church in Jerusalem and the church in Antioch.

00:51:24.260 --> 00:51:30.940
 There was a shift in which the center of gravity moves to the church in Antioch from the church

00:51:30.940 --> 00:51:31.500
 in Jerusalem.

00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:35.660
 And it feels like discord is awesome.

00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:36.860
 Don't get me wrong.

00:51:37.640 --> 00:51:39.000
 Um, and yeah.

00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:49.160
 It just, it, it works really well for that cultural niche that it, um, works with, you

00:51:49.160 --> 00:51:51.700
 know, like if you're a gamer, yeah, do discord.

00:51:52.180 --> 00:52:01.560
 Um, if you're not a gamer and you live in India, discord is another, another world, right?

00:52:01.620 --> 00:52:01.820
 Yeah.

00:52:01.820 --> 00:52:08.140
 But for whatever reason, everybody understands what's up and it just feels like that the center

00:52:08.140 --> 00:52:10.280
 of gravity is pulling that direction.

00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:17.100
 We're not there yet because, you know, once, once it tips over, like we, we have to get

00:52:17.100 --> 00:52:27.040
 like what, probably five, 600 ish into WhatsApp before it will, that center of gravity will.

00:52:27.160 --> 00:52:30.920
 I mean, I don't, I don't even know when the, when the center of gravity will shift.

00:52:31.180 --> 00:52:32.660
 Um, it's interesting.

00:52:32.660 --> 00:52:37.760
 I don't know why this is relevant, but there's, there's a movie on Netflix currently or a TV

00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.360
 show called three moon and three, three sun problem.

00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:44.280
 Um, I think where it, I don't want to get into it, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:45.000
 Three body problem.

00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:45.200
 Yeah.

00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:45.420
 Yeah.

00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:49.320
 And so when you get to the point where there's so many, you know, circles of gravity that

00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:54.140
 it complicates, um, and there's a level of decentralization into that, that maybe we can

00:52:54.140 --> 00:52:55.260
 operate to, to free it.

00:52:55.340 --> 00:53:03.060
 And, but you know, that, that's a, I have a sticky on my, um, don't create anything until

00:53:03.060 --> 00:53:04.660
 you really need it.

00:53:04.740 --> 00:53:06.680
 Brian Johnson from Casey underground.

00:53:06.680 --> 00:53:11.720
 He said that in a meeting and anytime somebody says something, I like, I write it on a sticky

00:53:11.720 --> 00:53:12.560
 and put it on my monitor.

00:53:12.640 --> 00:53:13.600
 I was like, I got to remember that.

00:53:13.600 --> 00:53:15.980
 Cause that's, that's something I got to remember it.

00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.260
 So that's not the problem for today.

00:53:17.580 --> 00:53:19.380
 It'll be a problem soon, but not today.

00:53:19.980 --> 00:53:20.300
 Right.

00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:27.000
 Um, yeah, let's, um, let's talk about, you know, some, I know it's, we're running out of

00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:27.180
 time.

00:53:27.200 --> 00:53:28.520
 I'm sure you got to leave at the top of the hour.

00:53:28.740 --> 00:53:32.820
 Some of the strategic partners, you mentioned some of them, alpha, we talked about fake

00:53:32.820 --> 00:53:33.540
 tech a little bit.

00:53:33.600 --> 00:53:38.940
 We talked about, um, you know, some others, but kind of like, you know, and that was, that

00:53:38.940 --> 00:53:39.760
 was Jaymo's thing.

00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:44.960
 Like I spent the time at the booth and there would be, you know, times that he would just,

00:53:45.300 --> 00:53:45.800
 which was fine.

00:53:45.820 --> 00:53:47.100
 As I told him, like, let's do that.

00:53:47.220 --> 00:53:52.200
 He would disappear, walk around, find, have conversations with the partner, see what's

00:53:52.200 --> 00:53:52.780
 going on.

00:53:52.860 --> 00:53:56.800
 Cause he's thinking, how do I equip digital missionaries better?

00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.160
 How do we create resources and partnerships?

00:53:59.160 --> 00:54:01.660
 So what can you do to talk a little bit about that?

00:54:02.420 --> 00:54:02.580
 Okay.

00:54:02.700 --> 00:54:09.740
 So, uh, one of the things, you know, when I was like walking the discovery center, I was

00:54:09.740 --> 00:54:19.280
 always thinking, okay, how, how can we partner for the benefit of the church digital missionaries

00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:22.740
 that will be, you know, training and sending out.

00:54:22.860 --> 00:54:30.200
 What's, what kind of tools could they use in their tool belt so that their ministry that

00:54:30.200 --> 00:54:32.680
 God is calling them to is successful.

00:54:33.080 --> 00:54:36.100
 And that was the mindset that I had.

00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:44.840
 So those could be things all the way down to like AI tools that funnel people to you and

00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:49.300
 you have gospel conversations as much as you could possibly stand.

00:54:49.420 --> 00:54:55.820
 And then, you know, those, those types of services that are out there, there's probably about three

00:54:55.820 --> 00:54:56.440
 or four of them.

00:54:58.540 --> 00:55:03.300
 Um, and then one of the other things, like, let me, let me pull this up for a minute.

00:55:03.300 --> 00:55:08.300
 Um, yeah, this right here, I'm going to throw this in the chat.

00:55:08.300 --> 00:55:11.360
 Disciple.tools.

00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:11.880
 Disciple.tools.

00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:24.540
 Disciple.tools is this really nice list of a lot of the, the tools that were being showcased

00:55:24.540 --> 00:55:31.980
 at the digital discovery center, um, either directly or indirectly that I thought, wow,

00:55:32.060 --> 00:55:40.240
 this is a great collection, a list of all of the different ways that people like us, digital

00:55:40.240 --> 00:55:43.340
 missionaries, sometimes we don't even know what's available.

00:55:44.140 --> 00:55:50.320
 Um, and this has a nice, somebody made this list, um, and put it together while we were

00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:51.900
 at the conference.

00:55:51.900 --> 00:55:54.040
 And I thought, wow, that's genius.

00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:57.320
 Cause I was making one on my own, but this is way better.

00:55:57.520 --> 00:56:00.600
 So I just grabbed one and, and just use that one.

00:56:00.780 --> 00:56:09.020
 But, um, those were the types of things that I felt like, wow, we, there, there are tools

00:56:09.020 --> 00:56:19.120
 at every stage of the discipleship process that could be, um, employed so that wherever, whoever

00:56:19.120 --> 00:56:22.900
 you want to reach, there's, there's an app for that.

00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:26.860
 And there's a, there's an app that, that can help you.

00:56:26.860 --> 00:56:37.020
 Um, and I, I feel like we as an organization didn't necessarily say, okay, this is the sanctioned

00:56:37.020 --> 00:56:38.780
 tool or whatever.

00:56:39.100 --> 00:56:40.720
 We should just say, okay, here's the list.

00:56:41.680 --> 00:56:44.400
 Here's what, you know, so-and-so uses.

00:56:44.680 --> 00:56:45.960
 Here's what somebody else uses.

00:56:46.640 --> 00:56:54.580
 We think this is a good one to use, but experiment because what God has called you to do and the

00:56:54.580 --> 00:56:58.500
 people that he's called you to reach, there might be a better tool than the ones that we're,

00:56:58.700 --> 00:56:59.280
 we've been using.

00:56:59.740 --> 00:57:04.760
 And the last thing we want to do as an organization is throw Saul's armor in you.

00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.760
 So here's the list, you know?

00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:15.100
 And so that was, that was really cool to talk with people who, um, are developing new tools

00:57:15.100 --> 00:57:20.800
 once that aren't even out, like stuff that's not on the list because it's not totally baked

00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:21.060
 yet.

00:57:22.100 --> 00:57:29.240
 Those were the fun conversations because, you know, things like prayer and AI put together

00:57:29.240 --> 00:57:38.340
 and different cocktails or tech stacks that when combined can create a force multiplier that

00:57:38.340 --> 00:57:41.980
 people aren't thinking through in, in the normal space.

00:57:42.740 --> 00:57:48.320
 Um, but in the digital church space, we can use it in unique ways.

00:57:48.460 --> 00:57:54.780
 So the combination of a lot of these tools to me was kind of sparking a lot of kingdom imagination.

00:57:55.340 --> 00:57:58.900
 So those are the things that were for me, super great.

00:57:58.900 --> 00:58:07.480
 I, I hesitate to use some names because I want to protect some of the NDAs that I had signed

00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:17.560
 and some of the people in persecuted areas that I, I don't know if I can talk about, but, um,

00:58:18.720 --> 00:58:25.140
 Well, some of it's to come, like, I remember my, my favorite JMO conversation from the entire

00:58:25.140 --> 00:58:28.720
 Congress, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, you got to come see what this guy's doing.

00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:30.780
 And he takes me over to this guy who's running AI.

00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:33.620
 I'm not going to say the name of the company, but he's doing an AI thing.

00:58:34.140 --> 00:58:38.580
 And, uh, and so, uh, somebody else has given that he's given somebody else the spiel.

00:58:38.660 --> 00:58:39.760
 So he's not talking to me directly.

00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:42.580
 He's talking to somebody else, but I'm listening to what he's saying.

00:58:42.580 --> 00:58:46.480
 And, and honestly, in my mind, I'm like, I'm really not that impressed.

00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:50.760
 And I don't see how this fits in with the church digital at all.

00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:55.700
 Like, I don't, why Jason is smart and he's wasting my time here.

00:58:56.040 --> 00:59:02.300
 And so, you know, I, um, I, I, so Jason, like we step away to have a conversation at some

00:59:02.300 --> 00:59:05.640
 point and Jason's like, so isn't that awesome?

00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:10.800
 It actually, I looked at Jason and I was like, what do you see when you see this guy?

00:59:11.340 --> 00:59:13.960
 And he looks at me like I'm a moron.

00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:14.660
 Jason does.

00:59:15.240 --> 00:59:17.540
 And, uh, and, and he's like, what do you mean?

00:59:17.540 --> 00:59:20.640
 And I was like, what, what do you, what do you see from this?

00:59:20.640 --> 00:59:25.680
 And Jason describes this, this product that is unbelievable.

00:59:25.680 --> 00:59:26.860
 It is miraculous.

00:59:26.860 --> 00:59:27.960
 It is incredible.

00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:32.940
 It could revolutionize digital missionary and digital church work as we know it.

00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:35.860
 But it was not what this guy was talking about.

00:59:35.860 --> 00:59:40.620
 It was this guy needs to add this thing to his product, which integrates with this thing

00:59:40.620 --> 00:59:41.220
 to do this.

00:59:41.220 --> 00:59:45.460
 And it's like, you know, two years down the road, it's going to be revolutionary, but everybody's

00:59:45.460 --> 00:59:47.640
 got to work together to get to the finish line.

00:59:47.740 --> 00:59:49.720
 And that's, that's Jason Morris.

00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:55.640
 One-on-one dude's got a fricking playbook of everybody and how everything interweaves together.

00:59:56.300 --> 00:59:58.860
 And it's so much fun watching him work.

00:59:58.860 --> 01:00:04.920
 And then here's, here's the other thing that was really cool about Congress was while everybody

01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:12.060
 was kind of pitching their thing, they were pitching the mission of the global church and

01:00:12.060 --> 01:00:13.140
 they're willing to partner.

01:00:13.600 --> 01:00:17.840
 So it's like one, there was no competition going on.

01:00:18.120 --> 01:00:22.980
 It's just everybody coming together saying, oh, this is what I can bring to the table.

01:00:24.240 --> 01:00:27.880
 Let's, let's play, let's collaborate, you know?

01:00:28.680 --> 01:00:35.220
 And when, when you're in an environment like that, you can say, oh, if you over here use

01:00:35.220 --> 01:00:45.040
 your tech with this stuff over here, SSO API style, now you got something magic, like peanut

01:00:45.040 --> 01:00:50.220
 butter, you know, you got jelly, you got peanut butter, you know, on its own, but she's looking

01:00:50.220 --> 01:00:52.740
 together that you really got something.

01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:57.180
 And then to watch that collaboration happen, it's just so fun, man.

01:00:58.660 --> 01:01:08.280
 I'll say I'm preferable to, to grape jelly straight, like that straight out of the jar is, I

01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:09.680
 mean, that may be why I'm diabetic.

01:01:09.680 --> 01:01:14.380
 I'm just going to be honest, like that too many shots of that in my life has, has caused

01:01:14.380 --> 01:01:21.560
 a lot of sugar issues, but, but yeah, PB and J is what I actually miss the most is having

01:01:21.560 --> 01:01:24.660
 a good, cause I don't get much of those anymore, but thank you for bringing that up.

01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:28.280
 I need to, I need some, I need some kimchi in my life to kind of balance that out.

01:01:30.560 --> 01:01:30.960
 Yeah.

01:01:31.140 --> 01:01:35.420
 And so, man, listen, we've, we've had some, some great conversations, digital tools, disciple

01:01:35.420 --> 01:01:36.620
 tools, that's free, right?

01:01:37.120 --> 01:01:37.460
 Right now.

01:01:38.640 --> 01:01:39.000
 Yeah.

01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:40.880
 I mean, the list is free.

01:01:41.220 --> 01:01:47.260
 Some of the tools that are described aren't, some are, there's a list of open source

01:01:47.260 --> 01:01:52.240
 tools, so one of the tags in there is open source and there's a lot of stuff that's on

01:01:52.240 --> 01:01:56.800
 a freemium model that for a lot of the things that will, we do, we could probably be in that

01:01:56.800 --> 01:01:57.140
 level.

01:01:57.580 --> 01:02:03.300
 So, but what's great about it is that you're most likely going to see things you didn't

01:02:03.300 --> 01:02:04.220
 know even existed.

01:02:04.780 --> 01:02:05.260
 Yeah.

01:02:05.260 --> 01:02:12.180
 And it could open up the, the, the imagination of, oh, I could use this tool for like the

01:02:12.180 --> 01:02:17.340
 devotional stuff with my digital church and the tribe that I'm ministering to.

01:02:17.520 --> 01:02:23.500
 And then we could track discipleship this way using this tool and, you know, figure out what

01:02:23.500 --> 01:02:25.760
 your cocktail is going to look like.

01:02:26.720 --> 01:02:28.480
 Whether it's paid or not, it doesn't matter.

01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:32.180
 And the open source stuff is a pretty nice list too.

01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:33.100
 Yeah.

01:02:33.420 --> 01:02:41.120
 It's been, it's been fascinating to me how even being at the Congress was a launching pad

01:02:41.120 --> 01:02:43.780
 for conversations with people who were not at the Congress.

01:02:45.080 --> 01:02:48.660
 And like the, the phone has been very busy.

01:02:49.160 --> 01:02:54.980
 I say that, you know, email, not actually talk who talks on the phone anymore, but it's been

01:02:54.980 --> 01:02:58.140
 very busy, a lot of contacts with people who are not at the Congress.

01:02:58.300 --> 01:02:59.840
 Oh, wait, I gave you the wrong link.

01:03:00.620 --> 01:03:01.440
 I gave you the wrong link.

01:03:02.900 --> 01:03:04.100
 Yeah, it's Dashboard, isn't it?

01:03:04.140 --> 01:03:04.880
 Not Disciple Tools.

01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:05.500
 No, no, no, no.

01:03:05.500 --> 01:03:06.420
 Disciple Tools is something else.

01:03:06.420 --> 01:03:06.560
 No, no, no, no.

01:03:07.160 --> 01:03:08.000
 It's Faith Tools.

01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:10.280
 Here, let me get, let me go that link in.

01:03:10.560 --> 01:03:10.980
 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:11.020 --> 01:03:11.860
 This is way better.

01:03:12.620 --> 01:03:12.820
 Sorry about that.

01:03:12.820 --> 01:03:13.480
 Faith.Tools?

01:03:14.060 --> 01:03:14.460
 Yeah.

01:03:17.340 --> 01:03:18.260
 That's way better.

01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:19.740
 Okay.

01:03:21.740 --> 01:03:23.840
 Disciple Tools is another organization.

01:03:23.900 --> 01:03:24.820
 Yeah, that's a whole different organization.

01:03:24.820 --> 01:03:28.460
 You said it, I trusted you, but I was like, that's, I don't know if that's true, unless

01:03:28.460 --> 01:03:30.120
 he had a conversation that I didn't know about.

01:03:32.660 --> 01:03:33.680
 Yeah, there you go.

01:03:34.260 --> 01:03:35.660
 We're making it up as we go along.

01:03:35.720 --> 01:03:35.960
 It's good.

01:03:36.020 --> 01:03:38.140
 But Faith.Tools, check that out.

01:03:38.820 --> 01:03:44.620
 And one thing that I'd say is through the Church Digital, you know, since we're operating

01:03:44.620 --> 01:03:51.500
 as a network, you know, if there are tools that will help across the board, negotiating a cheaper

01:03:51.500 --> 01:03:54.480
 price or something like that is always on the table.

01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:58.780
 So, you know, as you guys, you know, this is one of the things we talk about with our movement

01:03:58.780 --> 01:03:59.160
 leaders.

01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:01.560
 What do you need?

01:04:02.120 --> 01:04:09.520
 Like, like, what tool, what resource, what coaching, what material, what platform, like, because

01:04:09.520 --> 01:04:17.600
 it's amazing the influence, I say this humbly, the influence that we have walking into the

01:04:17.600 --> 01:04:21.680
 table saying, hey, we represent, you know, digital missionaries across the planet.

01:04:21.680 --> 01:04:24.680
 And how can we get this at 90% off?

01:04:25.780 --> 01:04:29.220
 And because we're crazy, people are like, hey, we do want to do that.

01:04:29.300 --> 01:04:29.900
 Let's do that.

01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:35.620
 So, like, please keep the conversations and open.

01:04:35.780 --> 01:04:39.900
 I know that's actually one of the things Layton's so good at is like knowing what's going on and

01:04:39.900 --> 01:04:45.320
 where people are at and, you know, helping figure out and connecting the dots with some others.

01:04:45.500 --> 01:04:49.400
 So fall back on him or him or I as we're getting into that.

01:04:49.580 --> 01:04:50.860
 But awesome.

01:04:50.860 --> 01:04:52.740
 How much time are you?

01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:53.640
 Do you have to go?

01:04:53.740 --> 01:04:56.700
 Do you have any closing thoughts or anything else before we wrap up here, man?

01:04:57.840 --> 01:04:59.580
 No, I don't have any closing thoughts.

01:04:59.680 --> 01:05:02.120
 I got to get it, though, for sure.

01:05:02.380 --> 01:05:02.640
 Okay.

01:05:02.940 --> 01:05:03.780
 Sorry about that.

01:05:05.460 --> 01:05:06.980
 Leave if you can.

01:05:07.120 --> 01:05:11.660
 Don't hang up because I need to make sure Riverside updates, updates, everything on your

01:05:11.660 --> 01:05:11.860
 end.

01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:17.460
 So if you can leave but not go away, that would be good.

01:05:17.980 --> 01:05:18.280
 All right.

01:05:18.380 --> 01:05:18.920
 Thank you, man.

01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:19.720
 All right.

01:05:20.040 --> 01:05:21.900
 And so, hey, appreciate it.

01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:22.540
 Thanks for coming by.

01:05:23.600 --> 01:05:26.160
 And as soon as he's here, he's gone.

01:05:26.560 --> 01:05:26.920
 Hey, y'all.

01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:28.760
 Seriously, I do want to thank you.

01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:38.340
 A lot of you that were praying for the church digital, for J-Mo and I while we were in Korea, my health

01:05:38.340 --> 01:05:41.960
 was a train wreck over there for a number of reasons.

01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:50.740
 Just legs swelled up on the airplane and honestly didn't unswell until three days after we got back.

01:05:51.540 --> 01:05:52.240
 Sleeping was hard.

01:05:52.240 --> 01:05:52.820
 Sleeping was hard.

01:05:53.260 --> 01:05:56.640
 It just was an exhausting trip.

01:05:56.760 --> 01:06:01.500
 I was walking two to four miles, and that's two to four miles more than I'm used to walking.

01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:06.600
 And two to four miles is a big deal until you're walking around with a cane and swollen legs.

01:06:07.040 --> 01:06:08.760
 And it just was hard.

01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:11.500
 But your prayers really helped.

01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:12.740
 It was funny.

01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:13.660
 It's funny.

01:06:13.780 --> 01:06:14.820
 Not the right word.

01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:19.820
 But Wednesday was probably the hardest day for me.

01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:25.700
 I was running the booth from noon to 730.

01:06:25.700 --> 01:06:30.960
 So like almost eight hours straight through, on my feet the entire time, no chair, cane.

01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:34.240
 And about 630, I was done.

01:06:35.220 --> 01:06:36.480
 And so I literally, there's photos.

01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:38.620
 I just sat down in the booth.

01:06:38.720 --> 01:06:39.740
 Like people were walking by.

01:06:39.820 --> 01:06:40.780
 I was having conversations.

01:06:41.260 --> 01:06:42.280
 I was shaking hands.

01:06:42.380 --> 01:06:48.040
 I had like a pile of whatever people would come down and had a handful of people were praying for me.

01:06:49.240 --> 01:06:57.940
 One dude literally sat down next to me, not because he was interested in what we were doing, he told me.

01:06:58.260 --> 01:07:02.380
 But he just like wanted to like talk with me because I think he felt sorry for me.

01:07:02.380 --> 01:07:12.540
 But anyway, it was just this really sweet relational moment in the midst of the chaos of, you know, 5,000 people in a convention center

01:07:12.540 --> 01:07:20.620
 and another 21,000 people watching online, 160, 170 countries represented in total.

01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:23.940
 It was just a beautiful thing.

01:07:24.040 --> 01:07:27.520
 So those of you who were praying and supporting us while we were over there, thank you.

01:07:28.420 --> 01:07:32.860
 Those of you that, you know, a lot of you gave financially to help JMO and I get there.

01:07:33.500 --> 01:07:36.800
 That was so helpful and so meaningful.

01:07:39.180 --> 01:07:45.260
 TCD, the idea of digital missionaries, the idea of digital church.

01:07:45.260 --> 01:07:57.900
 It went a very long way as a result of that Congress and I, even with the health issues, even with being down a second week with recovery because of time zones.

01:07:57.900 --> 01:08:06.460
 Like, I still am not sleeping effectively now, even, you know, nine days later, like God used that event on us.

01:08:06.580 --> 01:08:11.880
 And so I'm appreciative of you all for helping us get there and supporting us as we were there.

01:08:12.300 --> 01:08:14.140
 There was some interesting feedback.

01:08:14.260 --> 01:08:15.340
 I forget who it was.

01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:21.120
 Maybe Cis Pineapple in chat talking about, actually, I don't know if it was Cis Pineapple.

01:08:21.120 --> 01:08:33.900
 It was somebody, but, you know, some frustrations with trying to get physical churches to understand digital ministry and digital missionary work, I think, was the context of the conversation.

01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:38.240
 I can't say it yet.

01:08:38.700 --> 01:08:39.680
 I can't.

01:08:41.080 --> 01:08:42.180
 But I feel your pain.

01:08:43.240 --> 01:08:50.800
 And the church digital, we will be addressing that very soon.

01:08:51.120 --> 01:08:55.980
 Y'all pray for us.

01:08:56.940 --> 01:08:58.000
 Korea was.

01:09:00.340 --> 01:09:02.200
 This is what I was trying to say earlier.

01:09:03.820 --> 01:09:06.220
 I was looking at Korea as the finish line.

01:09:07.460 --> 01:09:09.040
 I just need to make it to Korea.

01:09:09.200 --> 01:09:10.720
 We've got so much riding on Korea.

01:09:10.820 --> 01:09:12.960
 We're just going to get to Korea and that's going to be it.

01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:16.540
 Korea was not the finish line.

01:09:16.660 --> 01:09:17.720
 Korea was the launching pad.

01:09:18.940 --> 01:09:20.880
 And I say that not negatively.

01:09:21.260 --> 01:09:23.280
 I say that incredibly.

01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:25.320
 I say that with excitement.

01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:26.040
 I see it.

01:09:26.140 --> 01:09:27.180
 I mean, I've got like goosebumps.

01:09:27.420 --> 01:09:30.840
 Even saying it right now in between the yawns because I'm tired.

01:09:30.940 --> 01:09:31.720
 I've been talking too much.

01:09:31.780 --> 01:09:32.400
 That's the introvert.

01:09:32.500 --> 01:09:35.140
 The yawn is the introvert of me saying it's time to stop streaming.

01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:44.260
 But I am very excited about the launching pad and the doors that God is opening up before us.

01:09:45.660 --> 01:09:48.320
 There's still a lot of change coming to the church digital.

01:09:49.920 --> 01:10:00.080
 The team that I have around me is not one to shirk away from opportunities.

01:10:01.020 --> 01:10:04.800
 And it's looking and seeing where God is moving around us.

01:10:05.120 --> 01:10:06.380
 Experiencing God, Henry Blackaby.

01:10:06.460 --> 01:10:08.980
 I think this is the second time I've mentioned Henry Blackaby today.

01:10:09.340 --> 01:10:12.980
 Look and see where God is moving around you and join him in his purpose.

01:10:14.300 --> 01:10:24.720
 If everyone set aside their selfish ambition and vain pride and instead act humbly to the work of what God was doing, the world would be changed.

01:10:25.260 --> 01:10:26.020
 I'm paraphrasing.

01:10:26.180 --> 01:10:27.120
 It was something like that.

01:10:27.240 --> 01:10:28.580
 Experiencing God in 1976.

01:10:29.200 --> 01:10:30.900
 That quote is older than I am.

01:10:31.020 --> 01:10:33.040
 Look and see where God is doing and join him in his work.

01:10:33.120 --> 01:10:34.760
 If you Google that, you can see the entire thing.

01:10:34.820 --> 01:10:35.360
 Henry Blackaby.

01:10:37.240 --> 01:10:40.020
 Guys, God's doing some incredible stuff in this space.

01:10:40.460 --> 01:10:43.620
 Gals, God's doing some incredible stuff in this space through you.

01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:58.940
 And we are merely, fortunately, gracefully in a position where we can help equip and mobilize and encourage you.

01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:01.580
 And so look for that.

01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:02.580
 Look for more of that.

01:11:02.580 --> 01:11:12.000
 Whether you're a missionary, digital church, even some of the physical church people that are hanging around, there's going to be some really exciting stuff coming up very soon.

01:11:12.060 --> 01:11:12.680
 So stay tuned.

01:11:13.660 --> 01:11:17.860
 And that's all I'm going to say because it's not time yet.

01:11:18.780 --> 01:11:20.320
 I keep telling myself.

01:11:22.100 --> 01:11:26.040
 I'm the guy who leaks news, like leaks stuff.

01:11:27.120 --> 01:11:27.780
 That's me.

01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:28.400
 I'm the leaker.

01:11:29.400 --> 01:11:32.780
 If that's a GIF, leaker, it'll show up somewhere.

01:11:33.360 --> 01:11:33.620
 GIF.

01:11:34.340 --> 01:11:34.820
 Who says?

01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:35.640
 I can't say GIF.

01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:36.380
 I'm sorry, y'all.

01:11:38.300 --> 01:11:39.940
 I'm the leaker in the situation.

01:11:40.360 --> 01:11:41.000
 But love you all.

01:11:41.100 --> 01:11:41.760
 Thank you very much.

01:11:42.300 --> 01:11:43.300
 We're going to wrap up.

01:11:43.480 --> 01:11:47.240
 This is episode 316 of the Church Digital Podcast live recording.

01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:48.520
 We're done.

01:11:48.620 --> 01:11:49.920
 I have no idea what's coming up next.

01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:51.340
 I think it's Craig Whitney.

01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:52.860
 I think he's next.

01:11:52.920 --> 01:11:54.840
 If not, we'll figure it out very soon.

01:11:54.900 --> 01:11:57.560
 But for Jeff, for Jason, thanks for jumping on the podcast.

01:11:57.560 --> 01:11:58.540
 See you next time on the show.

01:11:58.880 --> 01:11:59.380
 Y'all have a good one.

01:11:59.400 --> 01:12:00.600
 We'll see you next time on the show.