WEBVTT 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:02.420 Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. 00:00:03.400 --> 00:00:07.240 Through this podcast, we'll talk about the technological innovations within the church. 00:00:07.620 --> 00:00:11.080 But more than tech for tech itself, we'll address deeper questions. 00:00:11.700 --> 00:00:13.300 Is disciple making possible digitally? 00:00:13.700 --> 00:00:15.760 How should we approach the digital mission field? 00:00:16.060 --> 00:00:18.640 Can a biblically grounded church operate in digital space? 00:00:19.060 --> 00:00:22.920 Oh, and where does the metaverse and artificial intelligence fit into all of this? 00:00:23.900 --> 00:00:25.840 Whether you're a big or small church, 00:00:25.840 --> 00:00:30.680 the Church Digital's goal is to help churches like yours learn to be a multiplying church, 00:00:31.040 --> 00:00:32.520 digitally and physically. 00:00:33.040 --> 00:00:34.680 And now here's your host, Jeff Reed. 00:00:35.020 --> 00:00:38.360 All right. I guess that's working. Yes, that is working. 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:44.560 You know what? In all seriousness, when you get old, your eyes stop working. 00:00:45.140 --> 00:00:49.580 And I look like a bumbling idiot half the time, 00:00:49.720 --> 00:00:53.620 because honestly, I can't see anything around me. 00:00:53.620 --> 00:00:57.620 Like, I cannot read. I can't see. Everything's blurry. 00:00:58.300 --> 00:01:00.600 You know, I need the glasses, but then I don't need the glasses. 00:01:01.120 --> 00:01:04.920 Sometimes, like, it's, it's, I really, I need to get my life figured out. 00:01:05.060 --> 00:01:08.120 If somebody could help me figure out my life, that would be great. 00:01:08.180 --> 00:01:11.240 Hey, Jeff here, founder of the Church Digital episode. 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:12.520 I want to say this is 325. 00:01:13.240 --> 00:01:14.340 I hope this is 325. 00:01:15.220 --> 00:01:18.740 I was supposed to look that up in the break, and I forgot to as I was writing this. 00:01:18.880 --> 00:01:21.900 But episode 325 here of the Church Digital Podcast. 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:26.580 We're doing a season here on the digital missionary. 00:01:26.580 --> 00:01:30.360 We're using the language flywheel, the digital missionary flywheel. 00:01:30.440 --> 00:01:31.820 We're going to get into it here a little bit. 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:32.980 I'm going to give you a sneak peek. 00:01:33.520 --> 00:01:35.680 We're going to be digging into scripture here. 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:37.360 We talk in Bible all the time. 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:39.220 It's more technology than strategy. 00:01:39.520 --> 00:01:45.780 But today, in this topic, we're going to be doing a deep dive on scripture. 00:01:46.100 --> 00:01:48.640 And in a verse, 2 Timothy 2, 2. 00:01:49.100 --> 00:01:53.220 And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses, 00:01:54.660 --> 00:02:01.700 entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others. 00:02:02.720 --> 00:02:05.400 And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses, 00:02:06.260 --> 00:02:10.980 entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others. 00:02:11.100 --> 00:02:16.780 Excited to get into this as we're talking about mobilization in the digital missionary flywheel. 00:02:16.780 --> 00:02:22.540 But before we get into that, hey, we got a big thing coming up here right around the corner 00:02:22.540 --> 00:02:27.460 that I want to put on your radar next week, next Tuesday. 00:02:27.700 --> 00:02:30.860 It's a week from right now at this moment. 00:02:31.640 --> 00:02:37.720 Tuesday, let's call it 2-11, February 11th, 1 p.m. Eastern New York time. 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:40.380 We're doing a town hall meeting. 00:02:40.500 --> 00:02:44.540 This is where we want to hear from you. 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.780 And so we're going to be streaming as my dog barks. 00:02:48.320 --> 00:02:54.880 Once again, seriously, if anybody wants a mutt, Obadiah, free shipping globally. 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:55.540 We'd love to. 00:02:55.980 --> 00:02:59.700 Like we even wrap it up nicely in a package, punch some holes in the side so it can breathe. 00:03:00.060 --> 00:03:01.020 And it'll be great. 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:08.960 But seriously, town hall meeting, Tuesday, February 11th, next week, 1 p.m. Eastern. 00:03:09.480 --> 00:03:11.460 We're going to be, this is the town hall. 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:14.880 We, the church digital leadership, we want to listen to you. 00:03:14.940 --> 00:03:15.780 We want to hear from you. 00:03:16.140 --> 00:03:19.880 What's going on in ministry and how can we help? 00:03:19.940 --> 00:03:22.700 By the way, we've got some comments coming in. 00:03:22.760 --> 00:03:25.960 We've got Steve Reed, my brother from another mother, still trying to figure out glasses. 00:03:26.580 --> 00:03:27.880 Have only one good eye. 00:03:28.340 --> 00:03:29.660 Almost, I can relate to that. 00:03:30.020 --> 00:03:30.700 I understand. 00:03:31.420 --> 00:03:32.460 I'm not even going to try. 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:35.160 Hey, you soon on me. 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:36.500 I'll just say, sue me. 00:03:37.500 --> 00:03:37.860 Hello. 00:03:38.100 --> 00:03:38.680 Hello to you. 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:39.820 I'm glad you're joining. 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.240 We want to hear from you in the town hall meeting. 00:03:43.660 --> 00:03:48.700 We, the church digital, rolling out some big stuff coming up here in the next week or so. 00:03:48.700 --> 00:03:52.800 We're doing some big announcements coming up right around the corner. 00:03:52.980 --> 00:03:56.120 And so town hall meeting, you want to hear what's coming up here at the church digital. 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:57.760 Excited about the road ahead. 00:03:57.820 --> 00:04:00.820 But at the same time, we want to hear from you. 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:06.700 What's working, what's not working, and how can we help you be better digital missionaries? 00:04:06.760 --> 00:04:09.240 How can we equip you to be missionaries? 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:12.560 We're going to be talking more about that mobilization here in a little bit. 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:14.940 But next week, yes, thank you. 00:04:15.940 --> 00:04:21.780 Flexcap is reminding me, 1 p.m. next week, Eastern New York. 00:04:21.980 --> 00:04:28.260 Like, right now, whatever time it is, if you're watching this live on YouTube, seven days. 00:04:28.660 --> 00:04:29.840 Actually, I guess it would be that way. 00:04:30.340 --> 00:04:31.020 No, it would be that way. 00:04:31.060 --> 00:04:31.320 I was right. 00:04:31.400 --> 00:04:35.660 Seven days later, we're going to get into that next week. 00:04:35.740 --> 00:04:38.860 It's a lot of onboarding and ongoing stuff. 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:39.680 How do we onboard? 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:45.200 How do we help people get connected into the equipping and mobilization to the network of the church digital? 00:04:45.400 --> 00:04:49.320 How can we provide better resources to equip and mobilize you? 00:04:49.500 --> 00:04:52.700 Opportunities to help you get connected with others on the journey. 00:04:53.080 --> 00:04:57.820 A network of partners that are literally in place to empower you in your ministry. 00:04:57.960 --> 00:05:02.920 Some really, really exciting things coming up here in the church digital. 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:12.140 And that is going to be 1 p.m. Eastern New York time next week, Tuesday, February 11th. 00:05:12.140 --> 00:05:15.400 Of course, my friend, you are more than welcome for that. 00:05:15.900 --> 00:05:21.460 I would love to meet you so that I can understand how to pronounce that name. 00:05:21.620 --> 00:05:28.840 That the bad side of digital ministry, and I'm guilty of this, is that I am horrible at pronouncing names. 00:05:29.200 --> 00:05:33.260 And when I see you, sir, I don't even know where to start. 00:05:33.780 --> 00:05:39.380 And so forgive me, I would normally be very relational in saying your name and greeting you. 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:41.560 But it's interesting. 00:05:41.740 --> 00:05:44.360 I'm in Miami, and so there's a lot of Hispanics around me. 00:05:44.660 --> 00:05:50.140 And I have tried with grace to speak Spanish in some of these situations. 00:05:50.640 --> 00:05:59.440 About a decade ago, I had a woman come up to me and say, you need to stop habla Espanol because you insult my language. 00:06:00.280 --> 00:06:06.620 I need to stop speaking as Spanish because I insult their language. 00:06:07.180 --> 00:06:07.980 So very cool. 00:06:08.320 --> 00:06:11.280 Hey, listen, we're doing a meetup here. 00:06:11.700 --> 00:06:12.560 Greg Saldy. 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:14.260 Hey, are you from Finland? 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:15.160 I'm from France. 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:17.480 If you are, we'd love to see Europe represented. 00:06:17.580 --> 00:06:18.320 We're from Finland. 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:18.820 Yes. 00:06:19.080 --> 00:06:20.860 We got a global connection happening, right? 00:06:21.080 --> 00:06:23.140 This is what I freaking love about the church digital. 00:06:23.280 --> 00:06:26.600 We are taking this thing, the idea of digital missionaries global. 00:06:27.100 --> 00:06:27.860 We're going to be talking more. 00:06:27.900 --> 00:06:28.360 Oh, my gosh. 00:06:28.380 --> 00:06:28.980 It's so good. 00:06:29.220 --> 00:06:29.980 Both of you, Greg. 00:06:30.020 --> 00:06:31.320 It's great to see you as well, my friend. 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:35.840 We need to keep you around because we're going to be talking more about this here in a little bit. 00:06:35.980 --> 00:06:38.120 Steve, getting so excited. 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:39.000 How are we supposed to wait a week? 00:06:39.280 --> 00:06:40.240 That's what I do, bro. 00:06:41.320 --> 00:06:44.840 This is, if I am nothing, I am a hype machine. 00:06:44.840 --> 00:06:54.780 Now, I am very fortunate in life that I've surrounded myself with the leaders that can actually deliver on the hype that I'm talking about. 00:06:54.900 --> 00:06:59.980 Like, this is a really sweet spot of the church digital because I'm not just talking crazy. 00:07:00.520 --> 00:07:05.280 Like, we've got a system that's operating, that's meeting the craziness. 00:07:05.540 --> 00:07:08.140 And so, which is what we're going to talk about here. 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:08.880 Oh, my gosh. 00:07:08.940 --> 00:07:10.100 All this is setting up so well. 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:11.760 I just, we need to get into it. 00:07:12.100 --> 00:07:13.740 Comments, feel free to chip in. 00:07:13.840 --> 00:07:16.120 We love what we're talking about here. 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.680 Now, remember, we're talking about the flywheel. 00:07:18.760 --> 00:07:21.380 You've heard me talk about the digital missionary framework before. 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:23.700 Connect, community, equip, mobilize. 00:07:23.820 --> 00:07:28.760 The people we connect with in physical and digital space, we want to invite them into a digital community 00:07:28.760 --> 00:07:33.800 to establish trust, to build relationships, digital evangelism, digital discipleship. 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:35.500 This happens best in community. 00:07:35.660 --> 00:07:41.280 And through that relationship, we want to help them discover not only who Jesus is, but equip them, 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:47.100 help them find what Jesus is calling them to do, and maybe equip them on how to do that and mobilize them, 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.260 send them out to do what God's calling them to do. 00:07:51.020 --> 00:07:53.040 And so, we've been using the language framework. 00:07:53.100 --> 00:07:53.700 It's a framework. 00:07:53.700 --> 00:07:54.960 It needs to be contextualized. 00:07:55.340 --> 00:07:58.920 How my friend Greg is going to do that in France, believe it or not, 00:07:58.940 --> 00:08:03.180 it's probably different than how my friend that I can't say his name is doing it in Finland, 00:08:03.260 --> 00:08:05.840 which is going to be different than how I'm doing it in Miami. 00:08:06.220 --> 00:08:11.080 And, you know, we've got my friend here, Steve Reed, who's probably an hour and a half away from me. 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:12.660 You know, he lives on the west coast of Florida. 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:17.640 How he's going to do it is going to be completely different than how I would do it in Miami. 00:08:17.960 --> 00:08:22.080 And that's the beauty of digital ministry is it's a framework. 00:08:22.080 --> 00:08:22.920 It's not a formula. 00:08:23.500 --> 00:08:25.300 It's meant to be contextualized. 00:08:26.060 --> 00:08:30.420 Now, what's interesting, as I look and I see how missionaries are operating, 00:08:31.200 --> 00:08:34.340 and this is really the importance of calling it a flywheel, 00:08:35.700 --> 00:08:40.360 is missionaries are really operating really maybe one or two of the areas. 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:42.500 Like, they're really good digital missionaries. 00:08:42.580 --> 00:08:46.420 They're really good at connection, you know, creating the content, the social media, 00:08:46.660 --> 00:08:49.680 but they haven't figured out how to do that community piece. 00:08:49.680 --> 00:08:54.520 And so they're creating a lot of, you know, a lot of connection, a lot of noise up top, 00:08:54.520 --> 00:09:00.060 but they haven't figured out how to really build disciple-making relationship because they haven't been able to get them into community. 00:09:00.460 --> 00:09:06.520 And the social media, just the tools, don't allow for a rich disciple-making relationship on average. 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:07.320 Some can, sure. 00:09:07.520 --> 00:09:09.520 But on average, it's not going to get there. 00:09:09.920 --> 00:09:11.180 And the same thing, a community. 00:09:11.300 --> 00:09:13.660 A lot of people are creating a community, but they don't have connection. 00:09:13.800 --> 00:09:18.320 Or, you know, there's planters and people that are great at equipping and mobilization, 00:09:18.580 --> 00:09:22.240 but they're not good at the top part. 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:25.300 They're good at the bottom of the funnel, so to speak, but not at the top. 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:27.660 Okay, I'm going to take a break here. 00:09:28.940 --> 00:09:29.920 It's pronounced. 00:09:31.340 --> 00:09:31.960 Good, sir. 00:09:32.060 --> 00:09:33.340 All right, I'm going to try this right here. 00:09:34.380 --> 00:09:37.620 Yudin Kamitsky, it's like. 00:09:37.620 --> 00:09:43.240 Okay, so Yudin Kamitsky, Yudin Kamitsky, Yudin Kamitsky. 00:09:43.760 --> 00:09:44.940 I hope that's good enough, sir. 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:46.580 Hey, you know what? 00:09:46.680 --> 00:09:51.460 We need to, listen, do thechurch.digital slash standup. 00:09:51.540 --> 00:09:53.240 Thechurch.digital slash standup. 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:55.140 You can book a 15-minute meeting with me. 00:09:55.200 --> 00:10:00.220 I want to meet you and actually have you tell me your name so I can understand it. 00:10:00.520 --> 00:10:02.260 But Yudin Kamitsky, thank you. 00:10:02.640 --> 00:10:06.820 We'll pretend for that now, and you can tell me how good or bad I was on that. 00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:14.460 But this is the deal with the flywheel, is that if you get all four happening, 00:10:15.560 --> 00:10:19.040 connect, community, quit, mobilize, the mobilize reproduces, 00:10:19.140 --> 00:10:22.160 and now you've got two connect, community, quit, mobilize. 00:10:22.420 --> 00:10:24.660 And if that multiplies, then you've got four. 00:10:24.880 --> 00:10:27.980 So you're seeing the bad pyramid scheme happening as a result of this. 00:10:27.980 --> 00:10:31.180 But what's happening is the idea multiplies. 00:10:31.680 --> 00:10:32.940 It supports itself. 00:10:34.020 --> 00:10:42.300 And the challenge is, is that as digital missionaries, we don't, it's hard to do all four 00:10:42.300 --> 00:10:47.200 as an individual, which is really where, okay, you know, what is God calling you? 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:48.600 We talked about this several times. 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:50.960 What is God calling you to do? 00:10:52.060 --> 00:10:58.860 And then understanding what your place is and maybe who you need to bring along into the journey. 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:08.140 And so this is the beauty of equipping digital missionaries, the course that we're, the cohorts 00:11:08.140 --> 00:11:12.980 that we're developing, because we're helping explain the whole framework and you're getting 00:11:12.980 --> 00:11:16.700 a better understanding of, of what role you want to be. 00:11:16.920 --> 00:11:24.480 And then maybe also as a, um, as a place trying to figure out who you can work with, who you 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:29.240 can partner with, or who you need to grow and develop to come alongside you in that, that 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:29.680 journey. 00:11:30.260 --> 00:11:34.080 And so the, the flywheel, it, maybe you don't even know flywheel. 00:11:34.140 --> 00:11:36.260 Like this is, if you're, this is the first time here with us. 00:11:36.300 --> 00:11:36.940 I've been around for a while. 00:11:37.400 --> 00:11:38.120 Meet my friend. 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:40.880 Uh, this is, uh, Funko Pop Da Vinci. 00:11:41.300 --> 00:11:42.740 Say hi, Funko Pop Da Vinci. 00:11:43.220 --> 00:11:47.140 Uh, so Funko Pop Da Vinci is a, uh, he's an inventor. 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:48.280 He's, he's a artist. 00:11:48.500 --> 00:11:53.060 You've obviously, you know who Da Vinci is and, uh, the, his, uh, Funko Pop form here. 00:11:53.520 --> 00:11:59.020 So Funko Pop Da Vinci or the real Da Vinci, he invented this device called the flywheel. 00:11:59.420 --> 00:12:04.800 And the beauty of the flywheel is it was, uh, it was had a crank on top and it was, I was 00:12:04.800 --> 00:12:06.180 almost a physics experiment, right? 00:12:06.420 --> 00:12:11.720 And he had four wood blocks that were on chains that were tied to this crank wheel. 00:12:12.780 --> 00:12:22.320 And what he discovered is as he spun the, the flywheel, the chains and the wood, the, the, 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:23.900 um, what, what's the term? 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:25.920 I'm, I'm, I just lost centripetal force. 00:12:25.920 --> 00:12:34.600 The centripetal force of, of the wood coming out on the chains, he would stop spinning and 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:41.580 the wheel would keep going because of the force of the wood blocks being sustained and keeping 00:12:41.580 --> 00:12:50.900 the energy going around the, his energy stopped cranking, but the multiplication force of the 00:12:50.900 --> 00:12:53.660 flywheel kept it going on and on. 00:12:53.900 --> 00:12:59.420 And, and, and, and I would suggest to you, as we talk about the four parts of the framework, 00:12:59.540 --> 00:13:06.800 connect, community, equip, and mobilize, that if we can figure out how to do this, how to 00:13:06.800 --> 00:13:13.900 get those four parts working, we're going to see that multiplication effect where our ministry 00:13:13.900 --> 00:13:15.180 goes on and on. 00:13:15.880 --> 00:13:20.300 This is what, you know, I would talk about connection without community. 00:13:20.520 --> 00:13:23.260 You know, I said this previously, and this, this may upset some people. 00:13:23.400 --> 00:13:26.920 And if so, you can, you can add me, you know, come find me on discord or WhatsApp. 00:13:27.060 --> 00:13:28.920 We'd love a conversation, sit down with you. 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:30.180 My heart pure. 00:13:30.280 --> 00:13:34.020 When I say this, if we're connecting with people and we're not inviting them into a community, 00:13:34.020 --> 00:13:38.720 well, that connection is powerless because the power is not in connection. 00:13:38.820 --> 00:13:39.920 Connections of vanity metric. 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:41.180 The power is in community. 00:13:41.880 --> 00:13:47.780 If, if we are creating a community without trying to disciple and, and multiply through 00:13:47.780 --> 00:13:53.640 that, um, without equipping people for, for, through discipleship community without discipleship, 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:54.740 what's the point? 00:13:55.040 --> 00:13:56.520 Why are you doing it in the first place? 00:13:56.520 --> 00:13:58.600 You got to have some sort of equipping a place. 00:13:58.820 --> 00:14:05.640 And, and if we're equipping, if, if we're discipling people without mobilizing them, well, 00:14:05.640 --> 00:14:06.420 that's reckless. 00:14:06.640 --> 00:14:09.760 Like we're, we're, we're giving people this, this authority. 00:14:09.760 --> 00:14:11.840 We're giving people this knowledge. 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:15.420 And I mean, it's, it's like saying, here's a machine gun, have a nice life. 00:14:15.780 --> 00:14:17.900 What, what are they going to do with that? 00:14:17.940 --> 00:14:18.740 How are, how are they? 00:14:19.060 --> 00:14:25.980 And so that's where we need that mobilization in place that, that relationship that we need 00:14:25.980 --> 00:14:30.920 that, you know, I hesitate to say this word, we need accountability. 00:14:32.400 --> 00:14:33.580 You know, it's interesting. 00:14:33.580 --> 00:14:37.940 The whole idea of accountability, uh, you know, I've used accountability here on the podcast. 00:14:37.940 --> 00:14:40.260 I remember having, you know, it's interesting. 00:14:40.260 --> 00:14:45.160 I use accountability a lot with, uh, the microchurch pastors that we've interviewed historically 00:14:45.160 --> 00:14:46.360 on, on the church digital. 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:50.540 And I would say things like, you know, what does accountability look like? 00:14:50.540 --> 00:14:57.160 You know, as a, as a, as a microchurch network where you're trying to hold volunteer microchurch 00:14:57.160 --> 00:14:59.340 leaders, uh, accountable. 00:14:59.880 --> 00:15:04.920 And, and, and, you know, I remember Rob Wagner said to me, he said, Jeff, well, accountability 00:15:04.920 --> 00:15:06.100 is like a bad word. 00:15:06.460 --> 00:15:11.300 Like you, you can't, you can't say accountability. 00:15:12.860 --> 00:15:16.560 And it's, and it's like, okay, well, what is, what, what do you say then? 00:15:16.660 --> 00:15:18.000 What, what is it, what does it look like? 00:15:18.280 --> 00:15:21.140 And I mean, we can wordsmith this thing all day long. 00:15:21.220 --> 00:15:22.740 We can figure out what it is. 00:15:23.100 --> 00:15:29.580 But the, the heart of the conversation is, is that we want to help some accountability 00:15:29.580 --> 00:15:33.820 happen around how we're effectively using these tools. 00:15:34.660 --> 00:15:36.060 And, you know, maybe that's okay. 00:15:36.060 --> 00:15:38.460 Like you're, you need some help in community. 00:15:38.700 --> 00:15:40.900 Let's get you connected to someone that can help you in the community. 00:15:40.900 --> 00:15:43.240 Or, you know, you're really not interested. 00:15:43.620 --> 00:15:48.100 You're really good at the equipping and mobilization, but your tops, you know, who can we help you partner 00:15:48.100 --> 00:15:48.320 with? 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:49.600 Or how can we provide some training? 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:55.440 Like, you know, I've, I've told the story, God, God didn't tell me to plant a digital church 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:56.380 or to be a digital missionary. 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:01.100 If God did, my life would have been easier because I'd be doing it. 00:16:01.680 --> 00:16:04.520 Instead, I was clearly, you know, God told me help. 00:16:04.900 --> 00:16:09.620 And so as, as a result of that, the church digital, we're wanting to come alongside and, 00:16:09.620 --> 00:16:16.660 and, and help organizations figure that out and, and a be the accountability for digital 00:16:16.660 --> 00:16:21.120 missionaries that are out there that are willing to walk with us and, and benefit from the, 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:23.300 the resources and the opportunities that we have. 00:16:24.040 --> 00:16:29.760 But secondly, I think there's an opportunity to train accountability in the, in the ministry 00:16:29.760 --> 00:16:31.340 that you are doing. 00:16:32.220 --> 00:16:36.300 Let's go back to second Timothy two, two, like I'm going to get, I'm going to get a little 00:16:36.300 --> 00:16:37.300 preachy in this one. 00:16:37.380 --> 00:16:39.980 I, I, I just, I want to put a disclaimer on this upfront. 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.980 It is going to be a little graphic. 00:16:44.060 --> 00:16:48.740 Um, yeah, it's going to be a little graphic with this one. 00:16:48.740 --> 00:16:54.520 Uh, second Timothy two, two, and the things you have heard me say in the presence of many 00:16:54.520 --> 00:17:01.200 witnesses and trust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others. 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:05.980 Now, what, what I love about this, this one verse in second Timothy, Paul is speaking to 00:17:05.980 --> 00:17:08.120 Timothy or writing to Timothy. 00:17:08.460 --> 00:17:15.160 And, and there's, there's five different generations of people in this, when this one verse, there 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:19.040 are five generations of people listed in this one verse. 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:23.300 Like if, if I almost, I probably should have created a slide and a graphic and did a share 00:17:23.300 --> 00:17:24.340 screen just so you can see it. 00:17:24.360 --> 00:17:27.840 But kind of what, if you're watching on YouTube or if you're listening, just, just imagine with 00:17:27.840 --> 00:17:37.700 me and the things you Timothy have heard me, Paul say in the presence of many witnesses, 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:46.960 the people that are witnessing Paul entrust to reliable people, the people Timothy's witnessing 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:54.560 to who will also be qualified to teach others, the second generation away from Timothy. 00:17:55.080 --> 00:17:55.380 All right. 00:17:55.380 --> 00:17:56.520 So let me flatten this out. 00:17:56.520 --> 00:18:01.520 You've got Paul's presence was to generate Paul's, uh, what's the word presence of many 00:18:01.520 --> 00:18:01.760 witnesses. 00:18:01.860 --> 00:18:04.300 You got Paul's witnesses, which is generation one. 00:18:04.380 --> 00:18:08.640 You've got Paul, which is generation two, who's witnessing to Timothy's generation three, 00:18:08.740 --> 00:18:14.780 who's now witnessing to Timothy's training others when, uh, generation four reliable people 00:18:14.780 --> 00:18:20.500 who are now, uh, qualified to teach others, others being their generation five. 00:18:21.040 --> 00:18:25.980 So when it comes towards a multiplication or a reproduction, like you're seeing that happen 00:18:25.980 --> 00:18:27.900 five times, it's worth noting here. 00:18:27.900 --> 00:18:33.840 And as digital missionaries, we know this, I mean, Paul's freaking the father of the church 00:18:33.840 --> 00:18:34.580 movement, right? 00:18:35.820 --> 00:18:38.980 Now, Paul's training Timothy, who's training others. 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:44.960 Timothy's not supposed to like, you know, take people to Paul so that Paul can teach them 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:50.340 or, you know, it's not even going to the witnesses, the people that are holding Paul 00:18:50.340 --> 00:18:50.940 accountable. 00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:56.440 Um, like Paul's training Timothy to train others who will teach others. 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.300 There's a reproduction level. 00:18:59.400 --> 00:18:59.820 You're stitching. 00:18:59.960 --> 00:19:00.980 It does digital missionaries. 00:19:01.060 --> 00:19:06.260 You understand that as digital churches, um, you know, or as even in the church, ecclesiology, 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:09.820 modern church movement in the U S they may struggle with that. 00:19:10.040 --> 00:19:11.400 You know, I I've had, I've had pastors. 00:19:11.520 --> 00:19:13.160 I don't want to live on this, but a pastor has come to me. 00:19:13.260 --> 00:19:15.660 Hey, your job is to bring people to the church Sunday morning. 00:19:15.840 --> 00:19:16.820 You do your job. 00:19:16.860 --> 00:19:17.460 You get them in the door. 00:19:17.520 --> 00:19:18.960 Let me do my job and witness to them. 00:19:19.140 --> 00:19:19.580 Share Jesus. 00:19:21.800 --> 00:19:24.340 In 2025, that will reach some people. 00:19:24.340 --> 00:19:25.480 It's not going to reach all people. 00:19:25.820 --> 00:19:30.680 And so we need to adopt more of a relational evangelist approach, which is what we preach 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:34.180 all day long here at the church digital bless and how to do that. 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:39.500 But what you're, you're seeing now is, is a generational approach where Paul's training 00:19:39.500 --> 00:19:45.900 Timothy to train other people, generation four, to now train other people, generation five. 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:53.680 Paul's witnesses, generation one, Paul, generation two, Timothy, generation three, uh, training 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:59.180 others, generation four, Timothy training others, generation four, who's training others, generation 00:19:59.180 --> 00:20:00.200 five. 00:20:02.600 --> 00:20:06.040 And we wonder why the church still exists 2000 years later. 00:20:07.980 --> 00:20:10.860 God ordained this idea, this movement. 00:20:11.760 --> 00:20:19.320 And it literally, like you can read in scripture where things are, uh, where, where gospel is 00:20:19.320 --> 00:20:21.380 happening and the gospel spread. 00:20:21.380 --> 00:20:25.920 And everyone was everyone in Asia, tall-skinned Kiwi and all the scripture, everyone in Asia 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:26.640 knew the word. 00:20:27.220 --> 00:20:30.160 Um, and so that's, by the way, tall-skinned Kiwi checks in. 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:31.960 He's from New Zealand. 00:20:32.040 --> 00:20:32.640 It's good to see. 00:20:33.320 --> 00:20:39.040 Um, and so like, it's, it's just, it's beautiful to see the, the point here where, where scripture 00:20:39.040 --> 00:20:43.020 is, is talking about the gospel being spread individually. 00:20:44.020 --> 00:20:47.800 Now, yeah, Paul's standing in front of hundreds at some point, maybe in thousands and writing 00:20:47.800 --> 00:20:52.560 the script and writing his, his evergreen, the letters that are in the Bible that are now 00:20:52.560 --> 00:20:53.460 influencing us today. 00:20:53.460 --> 00:20:58.460 The evergreen content, the Bible itself is, is, you know, continuing on outside of time 00:20:58.460 --> 00:21:01.340 and space, uh, which is phenomenal. 00:21:01.340 --> 00:21:06.620 Maybe a little science fiction, but it's incredible to see how even some of the digital concepts 00:21:06.620 --> 00:21:12.520 that, that we believe asynchronous communication, um, uh, remote discipleship. 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.420 Well, crap, the Bible has been doing that for two generations. 00:21:16.420 --> 00:21:19.100 There's nothing new, but let, let me bring it back. 00:21:20.580 --> 00:21:22.760 We have a responsibility to multiply. 00:21:23.380 --> 00:21:30.340 We, digital missionaries, we, people that are connected with the church digital, we, I would 00:21:30.340 --> 00:21:35.580 almost argue Christians today, we have a responsibility to multiply. 00:21:36.320 --> 00:21:36.540 Yeah. 00:21:36.580 --> 00:21:37.220 Let me back up. 00:21:37.380 --> 00:21:38.460 Let me, let me say it a different way. 00:21:41.020 --> 00:21:45.460 Billy Graham said, and I've said this in recent podcasts, this quote is really resonating with 00:21:45.460 --> 00:21:45.880 me lately. 00:21:46.460 --> 00:21:49.940 It's, it's the Holy Spirit's job to convict. 00:21:51.320 --> 00:21:53.120 It's God's job to judge. 00:21:54.300 --> 00:21:55.140 It's our job. 00:21:55.180 --> 00:21:57.640 It's our job as Christians to love. 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:03.700 And so my, my, my challenge to you as digital missionaries is how are we showing love on 00:22:03.700 --> 00:22:09.200 platforms like Twitch, on platforms like discord in spaces like virtual reality or video games 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:16.180 or in Facebook is, is Twitch does a Twitter does X give you an opportunity to show love, 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.300 to show grace, to show Jesus in that space. 00:22:18.540 --> 00:22:23.260 Can we connect with people in a new way using those platforms and show the love that we're 00:22:23.260 --> 00:22:23.860 called to do? 00:22:25.300 --> 00:22:26.300 I think we can. 00:22:26.300 --> 00:22:32.980 And using this flywheel, we've got the opportunity to even multiply that, that share. 00:22:33.300 --> 00:22:34.900 Now it's our job to love. 00:22:35.460 --> 00:22:37.300 It's the Holy Spirit's job to convict. 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:43.120 And so if we're sharing Christ, I, I, I, I would argue that's a win. 00:22:43.320 --> 00:22:47.800 If somebody actually finds Christ, that's not my job. 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:49.100 It's my responsibility. 00:22:49.420 --> 00:22:50.800 It's the Holy Spirit's job. 00:22:51.300 --> 00:22:59.940 And so I, I, I, I don't want to celebrate what God is, what the Holy Spirit is doing, or 00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:02.260 at least I don't want to claim responsibility for it. 00:23:02.760 --> 00:23:06.900 I remember the first time I preached a sermon and a kid accepted Christ. 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:10.900 I was beside myself. 00:23:10.900 --> 00:23:12.440 I was jumping up and down. 00:23:12.820 --> 00:23:15.360 Literally, I was like a 19 year old kid. 00:23:15.360 --> 00:23:20.320 I preached a sermon and, and two kids at a, at a, at a winter camp accepted Christ. 00:23:20.320 --> 00:23:25.040 And, and it was, and it was funny that the youth pastor kind of pulled me aside at some 00:23:25.040 --> 00:23:26.920 point and he's like, I'm, I'm glad for you. 00:23:27.540 --> 00:23:32.180 Uh, but just acknowledge God used you. 00:23:32.760 --> 00:23:39.820 Not you using God and, and, and, and the power in the celebration was, was God's. 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:40.980 It wasn't, wasn't mine. 00:23:41.260 --> 00:23:43.040 And it would, honestly, that was conversation. 00:23:43.260 --> 00:23:47.140 Thank you, David Parks stuck with me 25 years later, more than. 00:23:49.180 --> 00:23:57.000 I would suggest that for us, the celebration is the courage to have the gospel conversations. 00:23:58.600 --> 00:24:03.600 Who are we sharing Jesus with in digital space and physical space? 00:24:03.700 --> 00:24:06.240 Who, what are these gospel conversations look like? 00:24:07.120 --> 00:24:13.820 That's for me, that's the, that's the braveness of a digital missionary is having those conversations 00:24:13.820 --> 00:24:14.620 with people. 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:20.320 Once again, I, if, if all we're doing our social media posts, I don't, I don't know that that's 00:24:20.320 --> 00:24:27.660 a celebration, 20,000 people saw my post and it only cost me $1,500 to get enough people 00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:28.300 to click over. 00:24:28.420 --> 00:24:28.860 Well, crap. 00:24:28.940 --> 00:24:30.140 I just spent a lot of money. 00:24:30.620 --> 00:24:32.480 Like, that's not a movement of God. 00:24:32.580 --> 00:24:36.540 That's, that's a movement of, of, um, George Washington, the dollar bill. 00:24:36.600 --> 00:24:37.780 If you're an American, that makes sense. 00:24:38.280 --> 00:24:41.480 Um, and so like, it's, it's, what are we, what are we measuring? 00:24:42.280 --> 00:24:46.940 We're measuring the ability to have individual conversations with people about Jesus. 00:24:47.320 --> 00:24:49.460 We're measuring those gospel conversations. 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:54.420 That's to me, that's the thing that we're, we're responsible for. 00:24:55.660 --> 00:25:00.280 And to that end, the multiplication aspects of this, the mobilization aspects of this, 00:25:00.340 --> 00:25:06.400 I want to ask the question, who are you having conversations with you as an individual right 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:10.080 now, who are you having conversations with? 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:13.140 Who's the Paul in your life? 00:25:13.820 --> 00:25:18.020 Who right now is mentoring and discipling you and challenging you at, at a deeper level? 00:25:18.780 --> 00:25:22.120 Who are the Barnabases in your life? 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:25.540 Who are the people that you are challenging? 00:25:26.220 --> 00:25:30.500 And, and, and, and by the way, who's the, that, that are challenging you at an equal level. 00:25:30.620 --> 00:25:32.180 And by the way, who's the Timothy? 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:38.820 Who are the people that you are mentoring, mentoring and discipling and growing so that they can tell 00:25:38.820 --> 00:25:39.220 others? 00:25:39.320 --> 00:25:40.160 You know, it's interesting. 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:41.900 Greg Salady is a preacher. 00:25:42.060 --> 00:25:43.040 Preacher is preaching today. 00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:43.960 I am not a preacher. 00:25:44.300 --> 00:25:45.200 I play one on TV. 00:25:45.540 --> 00:25:46.760 I'm not even an influencer. 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:50.160 I play one on TV, but this is a message that's worth preaching. 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:56.000 You know, with, with the church digital, I'm a dude talking into a microphone and I'm going 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:56.900 to be really honest. 00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:01.240 There are seven people watching this YouTube stream live right now. 00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:05.760 And so, you know, what this does asynchronously after the fact, there'll be a couple hundred 00:26:05.760 --> 00:26:07.140 that'll listen to it, to podcasts. 00:26:07.340 --> 00:26:09.700 There'll be a couple hundred that'll watch and engage this. 00:26:10.120 --> 00:26:14.820 And so me alone, my content will die at about 500 people. 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:23.120 The beauty of this is, thank you, Greg, for asking the hard question is where does it go 00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:24.160 from here? 00:26:25.300 --> 00:26:29.980 Now, I've had plenty of conversations with Greg and I know, I know the heart of behind 00:26:29.980 --> 00:26:30.560 what he's doing. 00:26:30.740 --> 00:26:34.340 I know tall, skinny Kiwi and what he's doing in, in New Zealand. 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:36.760 I've talked with a flat cap. 00:26:36.860 --> 00:26:39.540 I've, I've talked with a Bible with the battles. 00:26:39.700 --> 00:26:40.580 I mean, I love this guy. 00:26:40.600 --> 00:26:41.860 I'm excited what, what he's doing. 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:44.800 Actually, that's a new YouTube channel for you, man. 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:46.140 I don't, I don't think I have to Marcus. 00:26:46.360 --> 00:26:48.020 I don't think I've seen that from you yet. 00:26:48.120 --> 00:26:48.900 Excited about that. 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:56.220 The point is, is that these people are, for me, they're the, they're the ones that I'm 00:26:56.220 --> 00:26:57.140 walking with. 00:26:57.820 --> 00:27:03.000 They're the, the Barnabases where, you know, they're speaking into my life and I'm speaking 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:03.700 into theirs. 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:08.860 And so they're, they're challenging me and I've got, you know, I can go through the, the 00:27:08.860 --> 00:27:12.560 Timothys, the people that I'm pouring into that next generation that's coming along. 00:27:13.260 --> 00:27:19.340 And by the way, even a guy that's been doing 25 years of digital ministry, I got the Pauls 00:27:19.340 --> 00:27:21.300 that, that, that they're speaking into me. 00:27:21.360 --> 00:27:27.120 Now they're not necessarily digitally ministry minded, but there are people, a scuba Steve, 00:27:27.120 --> 00:27:32.060 for example, he's not watching this and I don't think this will hit his radar, but he's, 00:27:32.080 --> 00:27:36.660 he's one that has challenged me in, in, in, in a big way, by the way, you know, I just happen 00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:42.220 to have this book right here on my desk, the, the Timothy initiative, the guys that, and we 00:27:42.220 --> 00:27:46.660 don't use this in the church digital, the Timothy initiative context, but their leadership, 00:27:47.260 --> 00:27:53.300 you know, just like with, um, no place left, the E3 crew, those two discipleship organizations 00:27:53.300 --> 00:27:57.180 really formed and structurated my worldview now. 00:27:57.660 --> 00:28:02.880 And, and, and so when I look at the Pauls, when I look at that circle of witnesses that 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:10.740 are watching, I, I, I honestly, I feel like I'm Paul surrounded by DeMarcus battle and, and, and, uh, 00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:15.600 Greg solidies and flat caps and Kiwis and people that I don't know how to pronounce their name. 00:28:15.600 --> 00:28:16.300 I'm sorry, sir. 00:28:16.460 --> 00:28:21.420 Those are the witnesses that are watching me as I'm now hoping to train that next generation. 00:28:21.620 --> 00:28:26.300 By the way, I'm teaching an EDM class today at 3 PM Eastern, which is another example of how we are 00:28:26.300 --> 00:28:32.140 passing down the equipping digital missionary mindset and casting vision so that others can 00:28:32.140 --> 00:28:37.680 cast the vision, not just how to be like a digital missionary to create content, but to be able to 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:43.240 invest in people's lives, to share Jesus with the generation using tools and methods to reach people 00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:47.880 that aren't going to go into physical buildings, do something different to reach someone different. 00:28:49.100 --> 00:28:52.600 And so like, who's, who are the people that are investing in you? 00:28:52.660 --> 00:28:53.680 You know, it's, it's interesting. 00:28:53.800 --> 00:28:56.160 I, I talked about this in one of the communities. 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:57.980 I think I shared this in, in discord recently. 00:28:58.340 --> 00:29:00.220 I, I, I started getting back. 00:29:00.320 --> 00:29:03.200 I bought a new car, um, which is a funny story. 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:05.000 I bought, I traded in my old Jeep. 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:05.820 I bought a Tesla. 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:07.680 I'll, I'll tell that story later. 00:29:07.820 --> 00:29:09.840 Cause I honestly like, and this is a true story. 00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:11.560 I don't drive real well. 00:29:11.800 --> 00:29:14.640 My, my legs aren't, yeah, EDM's equipping digital missionaries. 00:29:14.740 --> 00:29:15.360 Thank you, FLAC app. 00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:21.140 I kind of flub sometimes with that, but I don't, I don't drive my car, uh, real well. 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.860 Like my feet, uh, I, I don't feel my shoes. 00:29:23.980 --> 00:29:25.740 Sometimes my shoes slides off my feet. 00:29:25.800 --> 00:29:30.320 And actually I found myself intentionally trying to step on the brake a couple of times and accidentally 00:29:30.320 --> 00:29:32.520 stepped on the gas and car lunges forward. 00:29:32.520 --> 00:29:37.420 And, you know, fortunately no issues happened as a result, but you know, I, I just, I don't 00:29:37.420 --> 00:29:38.940 trust myself driving a vehicle. 00:29:39.460 --> 00:29:43.640 And so actually full self-driving on, on the test list, I think they're on version like 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:48.520 13 or 14 of the software, the, uh, the AI it's really good. 00:29:48.820 --> 00:29:53.320 Like I, I, I, I will say that the majority of the times that I drive a vehicle now it's, 00:29:53.360 --> 00:29:55.200 it's with AI driving. 00:29:55.460 --> 00:29:59.320 And so you can pray for me, but actually I trust the AI more than I do myself. 00:29:59.800 --> 00:30:02.940 The reason I say all that story is nothing to do where I was going, but I started listening 00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:08.120 to more podcasts now that I'm in the car enjoying driving and not feeling like I was the risks 00:30:08.120 --> 00:30:08.860 that I was previously. 00:30:08.860 --> 00:30:12.960 So I'm helping drive the kids around a little bit more and, and, and doing that and teaching 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:13.880 my daughter how to drive. 00:30:14.040 --> 00:30:15.900 So I started listening to podcasts again. 00:30:16.560 --> 00:30:22.160 It's a long story just to get the podcast, but the, um, one of the podcasts that I've been 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:27.460 listening to is entrepreneurs on fire from a, from a secular standpoint, not a Christian 00:30:27.460 --> 00:30:28.020 standpoint. 00:30:28.020 --> 00:30:32.500 And EO fire, uh, heavily influenced what we're doing here. 00:30:32.860 --> 00:30:39.780 The version one's better than version none get out there beta, like all that non-scripture 00:30:39.780 --> 00:30:45.260 type language, but the things that, that motivates us, um, to, in, in our operations, or at least 00:30:45.260 --> 00:30:49.820 me at a personal level that all came from John Lee Dumas and, and EO fire. 00:30:49.820 --> 00:30:51.380 And so you can listen to it. 00:30:51.380 --> 00:30:52.400 You can not listen to it. 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:53.900 I, there's, there's rarely cussing. 00:30:54.080 --> 00:30:58.260 I don't think there's ever cussing actually, but it's, it's a lot of outside of the box 00:30:58.260 --> 00:31:00.020 thinking and ideology. 00:31:00.780 --> 00:31:05.760 But he says like, one of the things that I love about was, you know, one of his, like 00:31:05.760 --> 00:31:09.420 his catchphrases that he always falls back to for me doing something different to reach 00:31:09.420 --> 00:31:10.000 someone different. 00:31:10.420 --> 00:31:14.760 He always says, you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with. 00:31:16.220 --> 00:31:24.220 And that, that really, that, that challenged me to kind of think back about who I am investing 00:31:24.220 --> 00:31:26.820 in and who I'm allowing to invest in me. 00:31:27.260 --> 00:31:32.360 And, and it's interesting that, that mindset, like, I'll, I'll just be honest, like you're 00:31:32.360 --> 00:31:35.700 even things like, you know, I used to obsess over, and this is me. 00:31:35.780 --> 00:31:37.720 Don't, don't project this on you. 00:31:37.760 --> 00:31:42.240 If it doesn't fit, the shoe doesn't, if the, you know, spit out the bones, eat the meat. 00:31:42.900 --> 00:31:46.640 Um, like you're, you're the, the five people you spend the most time with. 00:31:46.800 --> 00:31:50.860 I mean, to be honest, I stopped like playing around with games on my phone. 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.980 Cause it's like, you know, that's that time that I'm spending with that. 00:31:54.060 --> 00:31:55.820 I don't know that it's, it's helpful. 00:31:56.380 --> 00:32:01.460 And so like, I actually, I shifted towards reading more books and getting back into more 00:32:01.460 --> 00:32:06.120 podcasts, just as I was kind of re-engaging with this idea of, of moving beyond. 00:32:06.340 --> 00:32:09.780 And that's, that's, that's at a, that's at a me level at a personal level, because that's 00:32:09.780 --> 00:32:11.500 what's, that's, what's motivating me. 00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:13.500 That's what's challenging me. 00:32:14.320 --> 00:32:20.460 And, and, and I want to suggest that as digital missionaries, this is counter-cultural, right? 00:32:20.820 --> 00:32:24.760 A little bit because it's counter-culture in, in, in digital. 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:30.160 Like if I'm, if I'm a streamer, I want to get like massive numbers. 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:33.780 I want thousands of people watching me on Twitch. 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:44.300 The idea of multiplying myself into a competitor, a potential competitor who can then work against 00:32:44.300 --> 00:32:46.820 me and maybe take some of my audience away from me. 00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:51.160 Well, it doesn't, it doesn't work that way. 00:32:51.940 --> 00:32:53.740 Like that's a horrible idea. 00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:57.200 I would lose my influence instead of gaining influence. 00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:58.500 I'm not giving it to other people. 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:08.280 That's counter-cultural to digital, but I would suggest it's actually very practical in context 00:33:08.280 --> 00:33:14.120 of, of scripture, where we have to start to think that way. 00:33:16.520 --> 00:33:17.040 Yeah. 00:33:17.580 --> 00:33:23.080 Um, we need to start thinking about multiplying and mobilizing. 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.460 Oh my gosh, choking up over here. 00:33:28.060 --> 00:33:31.400 Just the idea, you know, I'm, I'm getting feedback here. 00:33:31.460 --> 00:33:34.240 Flat cap version one's better than version none. 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:35.880 Yeah, totally, totally about that. 00:33:38.040 --> 00:33:44.600 It's the, the idea as we're multiplying into others and as we're sending them out, we cannot 00:33:44.600 --> 00:33:51.760 effectively reach everybody, but there are people that are equipped to reach someone. 00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:56.100 Flat cap and I are, are very similar people. 00:33:56.100 --> 00:34:00.740 Actually, I just had lunch with flat cap or a late breakfast with flat cap Sunday. 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:02.520 First time. 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:08.260 It's not the first time I've met you flat cap, but first time I've seen you in two or three 00:34:08.260 --> 00:34:10.680 years, I would guess physically. 00:34:11.500 --> 00:34:13.920 And so sat down with him and just had a good conversation. 00:34:15.380 --> 00:34:20.380 Fact is with flat cap, the people that he is going to reach are different than me. 00:34:21.580 --> 00:34:27.160 Um, he's a little older than me, maybe a little more wiser, a little more experienced under the belt. 00:34:27.160 --> 00:34:34.560 Um, you know, he's, he's got, his kids are older, uh, more, more ministry years, different experience. 00:34:35.100 --> 00:34:40.940 And, and his, his heart for streamers and in that space, completely different than me. 00:34:41.680 --> 00:34:43.480 Like he is a streamer. 00:34:43.580 --> 00:34:44.900 I play a streamer on TV. 00:34:45.540 --> 00:34:50.140 And so the people that he is going to reach are different than the people that I'm going 00:34:50.140 --> 00:34:50.600 to reach. 00:34:51.380 --> 00:34:52.920 Throw Jason Morris in the mix. 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.840 The people that Jason Morris is going to reach is completely different than who I'm going to 00:34:57.840 --> 00:34:58.180 reach. 00:34:58.940 --> 00:35:01.200 And so, and that's the beauty of contextualization. 00:35:01.640 --> 00:35:04.220 I just dropped and let's, you know, throw Andy in the mix. 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:08.140 Well, the people that Andy's going to mix as hardcore gaming as he is, it's going to be 00:35:08.140 --> 00:35:10.440 completely different than who any of us are going to reach. 00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:17.980 And so collectively, you've got four old white men, Americans balding across the Layton's 00:35:17.980 --> 00:35:19.680 got a little hair, but don't, don't let him kid you. 00:35:19.680 --> 00:35:22.580 Like he wears the hats to cover up the baldness that's happening. 00:35:23.040 --> 00:35:28.780 Don't tell anybody you got four old white men who are reaching digitally completely 00:35:28.780 --> 00:35:29.980 different contexts. 00:35:30.940 --> 00:35:36.760 And so the, the ability for everybody to reach for one person to reach everyone, digitally 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:40.900 trying to reach everyone, you reach everyone, you reach no one contextualize, break it down, 00:35:41.040 --> 00:35:41.940 simplify this. 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.000 It's so good. 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:50.120 Flat cap saying here, different experiences help you connect with different people. 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:51.200 It's true. 00:35:51.560 --> 00:35:57.540 And this is where you need to thank counterculture because remember digitally. 00:35:58.620 --> 00:36:04.680 Culture tells you it's all about the connection, get the views, spend the money, get the conversions, 00:36:04.680 --> 00:36:07.700 but it's all, it's all connecting at the top level. 00:36:07.780 --> 00:36:16.540 Social media leads, followers, likes, comments, and that, that only gets you so far until a nice 00:36:16.540 --> 00:36:23.580 hat, flat cap, uh, until you run out of energy up at the top and people start bolting and leaving 00:36:23.580 --> 00:36:25.600 because the connections are shallow. 00:36:25.600 --> 00:36:30.960 That's where you need the community to get people to stick. 00:36:34.180 --> 00:36:35.340 You know, it's interesting. 00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:39.580 Even talking about this idea of accountability, who's challenging you. 00:36:39.940 --> 00:36:41.720 You know, I had a, I had a pastor, it was interesting. 00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:47.440 He was having lunch as breakfast with, um, one of the guys who's helping us organizationally, 00:36:47.540 --> 00:36:48.980 uh, one of my coaches. 00:36:49.240 --> 00:36:53.980 And, um, and, and he was talking about a mutual friend and he was like, Hey, this guy was like 00:36:53.980 --> 00:36:55.840 coaching me on how to be an executive pastor. 00:36:56.380 --> 00:37:01.380 And, and, and he said like, this is, this is serious, but he's like, if, if your campus pastors 00:37:01.380 --> 00:37:04.600 are not reading a book right now, uh, they should be fired. 00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:06.560 Who's this level of, of challenging? 00:37:06.660 --> 00:37:11.740 I think that's a little bit extreme, but like who's as, as digital missionaries, we're thinking 00:37:11.740 --> 00:37:12.620 outside the box. 00:37:13.620 --> 00:37:15.080 Who is challenging you? 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:17.600 Who is, who is mentoring you? 00:37:17.660 --> 00:37:18.360 Who's helping you? 00:37:18.460 --> 00:37:20.080 Who's helping hold you accountable? 00:37:20.380 --> 00:37:23.240 Who is, uh, who are, who are you challenging? 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:24.400 Who are you walking with? 00:37:24.500 --> 00:37:26.140 That's even helping you carry the burden. 00:37:26.220 --> 00:37:26.920 There's a lot of burden. 00:37:27.580 --> 00:37:29.320 You cannot do this alone. 00:37:30.820 --> 00:37:35.040 The idea of accountability is, is, is, you know, some would say it's, it's a dirty word. 00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:37.540 You know, it was interesting as I was just kind of writing through notes. 00:37:37.720 --> 00:37:43.760 I actually, I found myself, you know, reflecting back to one of my favorite Marvel movies. 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:44.840 This is embarrassing. 00:37:45.080 --> 00:37:46.120 Marvel Cinematic Universe. 00:37:46.300 --> 00:37:47.100 It's not too embarrassing. 00:37:47.660 --> 00:37:48.880 Captain America, Civil War. 00:37:50.420 --> 00:37:54.560 Watching Captain America, Civil War, I always thought I was Team Cap. 00:37:55.500 --> 00:37:57.260 Like I sided with Cap. 00:37:57.600 --> 00:38:02.540 Now the movie, the cinematography, this, like it, it was designed to make you think Team Cap. 00:38:02.640 --> 00:38:03.760 Let's, let's lean into it. 00:38:04.340 --> 00:38:12.940 But I mean, at the end of the day, Team Iron Man had like the whole thing with Iron Man. 00:38:12.940 --> 00:38:17.580 But what they wanted was there was all this power and influence, but there was no accountability. 00:38:17.660 --> 00:38:21.000 Yeah, okay, maybe it was the wrong organization, whatever. 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:25.100 And, you know, I don't want to, I don't, I don't want to go too far on this. 00:38:26.700 --> 00:38:35.400 But the ability to have an organizational structure to help, to guide and into a line is a big opportunity. 00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:39.060 I don't, I don't, I don't know that I'm Team Stark. 00:38:39.060 --> 00:38:47.580 I have to go back and watch the movie and actually think how serious I want to stand against this idea of Team Stark versus Team Cap. 00:38:47.640 --> 00:38:53.040 You can, you know, throw it in chat, you know, email, text me, 484-324-8724. 00:38:53.180 --> 00:38:57.620 I'd love to know, you know, if maybe that idea, maybe you are Team Stark because of the accountability. 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:05.480 But it comes down to, we do not need to be alone in this journey. 00:39:06.700 --> 00:39:08.820 And this is the heart behind what we're doing with the Church Digital. 00:39:09.020 --> 00:39:13.980 We're launching, right around the corner, a series of outposts. 00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:25.900 These are, and you'll hear about this next week in a big way where we're creating decentralized networks and platforms and places that are designed to encourage, explore, and experiment and empower. 00:39:26.040 --> 00:39:27.100 Let me say this a different way. 00:39:27.100 --> 00:39:51.520 We're giving you accountability and network and space to, with others, to be encouraged, to be encouraged in the ministry that you're doing, to explore new platforms, new spaces, to experiment with new ideas or new techniques, and to be empowered to do ministry through the resources and connections of organizations that are working with our network. 00:39:51.980 --> 00:39:55.720 This is a huge way. 00:39:56.280 --> 00:40:03.120 This is a huge way to come alongside others and understand this. 00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:09.280 Not accountability like you're being limited, but accountability where you're being given and multiplied. 00:40:09.860 --> 00:40:11.360 One plus one may not equal two. 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:21.580 One plus one may actually equal four in this process and five because you're going to start to see not just an addition mindset, but a multiplication as you're working along with others. 00:40:21.580 --> 00:40:33.040 And by the way, if those others can help strengthen the other parts of the flywheel where you can find somebody in your outpost to maybe come alongside and help you at the community level, your weakness, I mean, is that not a win? 00:40:33.040 --> 00:40:42.920 And even like internal coaching as we learn to care for others in the ministry of what's not just happening in our ministry space, but in other ministry space. 00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:49.900 If we start thinking kingdom over castle, the idea of being mobilized isn't, isn't a bad thing. 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:50.880 It's a great thing. 00:40:51.700 --> 00:40:53.640 I'd suggest it's a God thing. 00:40:53.800 --> 00:41:06.620 We'll get into platforms and places later, but second Timothy two, two, and the things you have heard me say, me, Paul, in the presence of many witnesses, entrust them to reliable people. 00:41:07.520 --> 00:41:12.780 Who will then be qualified to teach others. 00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:24.920 Paul, Timothy audience, um, reliable people teach others the idea of accountability, the idea of, of mobilizing and structure and generations. 00:41:25.240 --> 00:41:26.400 It's right there. 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.120 Paul literally modeled accountability. 00:41:30.520 --> 00:41:33.020 Now I want to, I want to say this. 00:41:33.560 --> 00:41:39.640 Um, I want to say this like accountability in digital space is, is hard. 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:40.140 I get it. 00:41:40.140 --> 00:41:43.720 You know, it's like, you know, tall, skinny Kiwi is, is talking on here. 00:41:44.100 --> 00:41:49.800 Greg Saldy, uh, is talking, Steve reads, you know, talking like there's a, there's an interesting chat. 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:56.380 That's kind of happening off in the, in the chat as I'm doing this live off, not off topic, but tangent. 00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.380 And, uh, to be honest, I've never met any of these people. 00:42:00.600 --> 00:42:01.460 I'm, by the way, I'm fine. 00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:02.300 The conversation is happening. 00:42:02.420 --> 00:42:03.660 So I'm not, I'm not criticizing that. 00:42:03.680 --> 00:42:04.140 I love that. 00:42:06.140 --> 00:42:16.700 But, you know, tall, skinny Kiwi is in, uh, New Zealand, 15, 16, 17 hours away from me in, in Miami, Florida. 00:42:18.860 --> 00:42:21.800 How am I supposed to hold tall, skinny Kiwi accountable? 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:28.360 It's interesting. 00:42:28.520 --> 00:42:34.460 We, we, I remember having a conversation with Ed Stetzer on one of his podcasts or one of my podcasts. 00:42:34.580 --> 00:42:34.940 I don't know. 00:42:34.940 --> 00:42:35.640 I don't, I don't remember. 00:42:36.140 --> 00:42:47.920 Um, but church discipline came up and, and, you know, we talked about how to do church, what church discipline would look like in digital space. 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:48.620 It's fine, Kiwi. 00:42:49.260 --> 00:43:06.080 Um, we talked about how to do discipline in digital space and it was, um, like he, he just could not comprehend the idea of, of discipline, uh, without the physicality. 00:43:06.140 --> 00:43:11.220 How are you supposed to hold somebody accountable if, um, how are you supposed to hold somebody accountable if, if you can't actually see them? 00:43:12.740 --> 00:43:14.380 And, and, and it was interesting. 00:43:14.380 --> 00:43:16.240 The, yeah, it's interesting. 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.680 Flat cap's actually asking the exact question right now. 00:43:19.120 --> 00:43:24.280 Um, how, how does local church hold someone accountable when they move to the church down the road? 00:43:25.580 --> 00:43:28.020 Physicality is actually a horrible accountability tool. 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:35.520 Now what's often attached to a physicality, and this is my point, flat caps teasing it right up the top, is relationship. 00:43:37.120 --> 00:43:39.380 Relationship makes a great accountability tool. 00:43:40.620 --> 00:43:43.040 I have a relationship with flat cap. 00:43:45.180 --> 00:43:54.120 And, and in, I would say an intense one for two to three years, I have a, a growing relationship with Steve Reed over the past two months. 00:43:54.720 --> 00:44:01.300 Kiwi, I feel like I've known Kiwi for decades, although it's probably only been a year or two that we've actually interacted. 00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:03.140 Although that dude's been around for so long. 00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:07.940 I told him the first time I met him, I was like, I've, I've known you for years and we've never actually connected before. 00:44:10.020 --> 00:44:13.760 Relationship is what provides the ability for accountability. 00:44:14.420 --> 00:44:27.880 And so if we're trying to do accountability, if we're trying to do church discipline without relationship, if we're trying to lead people without relationship digitally, it's going to fail. 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:33.260 I tell our leadership team, I tell our board, I've, I've asked the, the, the, the church digital board. 00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.760 I was like, Hey, um, be involved in the church digital. 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:38.780 I don't want you to lead. 00:44:38.980 --> 00:44:53.460 I don't even want you to like, you know, feel like you've got to do stuff, but know the people like know the, the, the voices, know the leaders because we don't want to lead by, you know, this is getting back to Maxwell's five levels of leadership. 00:44:53.460 --> 00:44:54.480 I think it was Maxwell. 00:44:55.300 --> 00:45:00.560 Um, we want to, uh, we want to, uh, we want to, uh, we want to lead by relationship. 00:45:01.200 --> 00:45:04.020 I don't, I don't want to tell people what to do because I'm the founder. 00:45:04.820 --> 00:45:08.460 I don't want Layton to tell people what to do because he's the relationship guy. 00:45:09.100 --> 00:45:13.520 Uh, I, I want to be able to, uh, to relationally lead. 00:45:13.600 --> 00:45:15.740 We want to lead by, by relationship. 00:45:16.160 --> 00:45:18.620 We want to, we want to hold accountable through relationship. 00:45:19.100 --> 00:45:23.620 You know, should we ever get to the place of church discipline or organizational discipline? 00:45:24.420 --> 00:45:28.360 Even that is done through relationship. 00:45:29.220 --> 00:45:35.540 And so the, the importance level is to be relationally connected with others. 00:45:36.620 --> 00:45:40.880 I mean, even just look at second, I keep doing second Timothy two, two, that's, that's all I need to do. 00:45:41.020 --> 00:45:47.460 And the things you have heard me say, they were around in the presence of many witnesses. 00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:56.100 The witnesses were around in trust to reliable people, more than one who will also be qualified to teach others. 00:45:56.860 --> 00:46:02.880 Their, the relationship is baked all in that tall, skinny QE sads here. 00:46:03.300 --> 00:46:07.980 Uh, Bricks church is where people turn up for two hours since they're dressed up and smiling. 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.900 Digital church presents ourselves daily with all our faults. 00:46:11.580 --> 00:46:13.860 Accountability is possible online. 00:46:14.380 --> 00:46:15.160 Oh my gosh. 00:46:15.500 --> 00:46:16.600 Kiwi, you make me smile. 00:46:17.140 --> 00:46:18.780 Um, yeah. 00:46:20.220 --> 00:46:32.940 By the way, this is the podcast that, um, if, if my, if I have a pastor friend who's a lead pastor of a church in Alabama and, uh, he does not, uh, he's, he's not active with church digital, 00:46:32.940 --> 00:46:36.480 but he will, um, he'll engage with me every once in a while. 00:46:36.520 --> 00:46:37.280 And we were just friends. 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:38.440 He's a mentor of mine growing up. 00:46:38.560 --> 00:46:41.740 He was a Paul in my life as we were starting the church digital. 00:46:42.720 --> 00:46:50.380 And, um, he will early on, he texted me and he's like, Hey Jeff, it's a good thing that you don't work for the physical church anymore. 00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:52.000 And I kind of laughed. 00:46:52.040 --> 00:46:52.840 I was like, yeah, I know that. 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:54.240 But why, why are you saying that now? 00:46:54.420 --> 00:47:00.980 And he's like, yeah, cause if, if any physical church pastor, lead pastor heard your podcast today, they'd fire you on the spot. 00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:05.140 You know, we're, we're pulling a thread that doesn't necessarily vibe sometimes. 00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:06.220 And we're thankful. 00:47:06.340 --> 00:47:12.840 There are churches that are financially partnering with us and the churches that are aligning physical churches that are aligning with the idea of digital missionaries. 00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:21.840 Because in the heart, you know, even things that like Kiwi just said there, the idea of mobilization, multiplication, that it's not just about the lead pastor. 00:47:22.160 --> 00:47:27.340 Like I'm pulling on some threads that the U S physical churches is going to be struggling with. 00:47:28.020 --> 00:47:29.200 It doesn't make me wrong. 00:47:29.620 --> 00:47:34.960 And by the way, the physical church model, once again, I've said it dozens of times, the physical church model is going to reach the people. 00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:36.800 Physical church model is going to reach. 00:47:37.120 --> 00:47:39.860 It's not that their ideas are wrong or that they're invalid. 00:47:40.300 --> 00:47:43.260 It's that, that those ideas are decreasing in influence. 00:47:43.640 --> 00:47:47.560 And we have to acknowledge doing something different will reach someone different. 00:47:48.160 --> 00:47:50.660 It's not just bang the same drum over and over again. 00:47:50.660 --> 00:47:53.120 It's learn how to learn how to play another instrument. 00:47:53.980 --> 00:47:56.060 You know, let's, let's rock an electric guitar. 00:47:56.220 --> 00:47:57.200 Let's figure out the bass. 00:47:57.300 --> 00:47:58.220 Let's figure out acoustic. 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:02.560 Let's, let's figure out how to get all different sorts of models working. 00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:03.740 We need micro. 00:48:03.900 --> 00:48:04.520 We need physical. 00:48:04.660 --> 00:48:05.280 We need digital. 00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:05.960 We need workplace. 00:48:06.200 --> 00:48:08.540 We need video game. 00:48:08.620 --> 00:48:09.360 We need VR. 00:48:09.500 --> 00:48:10.320 We need streamers. 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:13.340 We need like, we need it all working for the kingdom. 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:14.280 We need collaboration. 00:48:14.460 --> 00:48:15.380 We need friends on mission. 00:48:15.540 --> 00:48:17.720 We need kingdom over castle. 00:48:17.720 --> 00:48:26.320 We, we need to figure out what accountability looks like and learn how to work with others for the common cause, 00:48:26.580 --> 00:48:28.840 not of self, but of Christ. 00:48:29.340 --> 00:48:34.180 And as we talk about equipping and mobilizing and what, what that's going to look like in the church, digital and beyond, 00:48:34.180 --> 00:48:40.680 and the network that we're assimilating to help, we're building to help digital missionaries in that space. 00:48:42.540 --> 00:48:43.560 This is where we're going. 00:48:43.560 --> 00:48:43.620 This is where we're going. 00:48:44.460 --> 00:48:52.820 If all this excites you, if you hear me talk about all this and you're like, Hey, I want to know how to get involved. 00:48:53.940 --> 00:48:55.600 There's two things I want you to do. 00:48:55.980 --> 00:49:04.540 One, I want you to sign up for, uh, digital, uh, the digital, uh, equipping digital missionaries. 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:06.540 Hold on. 00:49:08.220 --> 00:49:08.920 Flat cap. 00:49:09.080 --> 00:49:11.700 Everyone needs to learn Latin to attend mass. 00:49:12.420 --> 00:49:13.800 Not the first time. 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:14.220 Thanks. 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:15.060 That's okay. 00:49:15.460 --> 00:49:15.820 Sorry. 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:20.100 I read this mass and I'm like, what the garbage is he talking about? 00:49:20.120 --> 00:49:20.740 And it took me a while. 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.800 Everyone needs to learn Latin to attend mass way back in the day. 00:49:24.220 --> 00:49:26.000 Uh, not the first time things change. 00:49:26.040 --> 00:49:26.620 Yeah, I get you. 00:49:26.860 --> 00:49:27.560 That was, that was good. 00:49:27.620 --> 00:49:27.900 All right. 00:49:28.180 --> 00:49:28.500 Sorry. 00:49:28.620 --> 00:49:29.280 Sorry, flat cap. 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:30.160 That one took me a minute. 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:31.380 I think you misspelled mass. 00:49:31.460 --> 00:49:34.640 I'm not judging you for that, but, uh, it, it, I was like moss. 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:37.440 Is that, that's, it means something in a different language. 00:49:37.520 --> 00:49:38.160 So I was confused. 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:40.800 Two things. 00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:42.060 You know what? 00:49:42.080 --> 00:49:43.320 You distracted me flat cap. 00:49:43.420 --> 00:49:43.600 All right. 00:49:43.620 --> 00:49:44.140 Bringing it back. 00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:46.700 You know, I'm doing this for social. 00:49:47.420 --> 00:49:48.500 Cause, cause I want this. 00:49:48.620 --> 00:49:49.020 All right. 00:49:49.020 --> 00:49:58.340 Hey, listen, if you listen to me, have this, this conversation talking about, um, mobilizing about equipping and mobilizing digital missionaries. 00:49:58.340 --> 00:50:01.460 And you're excited about some of the stuff we're talking about. 00:50:01.460 --> 00:50:06.820 If I am hyping you up and you want to figure out next steps, there's two things I want to challenge you to do. 00:50:07.520 --> 00:50:10.660 One, I want you to sign up for equipping digital missionaries. 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.460 The church.digital slash EDM. 00:50:13.520 --> 00:50:15.300 EDM, equipping digital missionaries. 00:50:15.380 --> 00:50:18.660 The church.digital slash EDM. 00:50:19.160 --> 00:50:24.420 We, through the equipping digital missionary course, by the way, I'm revising version two right now. 00:50:24.540 --> 00:50:27.420 Beta, we're making all sorts of changes to make it better. 00:50:28.060 --> 00:50:31.560 Tighter for a cohort, more effective of a cohort moving forward. 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:33.480 The church.digital slash EDM. 00:50:33.560 --> 00:50:35.320 I'm kicking off some cohorts here in a couple of weeks. 00:50:35.640 --> 00:50:36.420 We want to get you connected. 00:50:36.900 --> 00:50:41.160 The second thing I want to invite you to is the town hall meeting. 00:50:41.680 --> 00:50:46.860 Because all this, all this, all this is going to come to light. 00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:56.760 And a lot of the questions that you have right now are going to get answered at the town hall meeting next Tuesday, 1 p.m. Eastern, here on the Church Digital's YouTube. 00:50:57.300 --> 00:50:59.620 So hang out with us for the town hall meeting. 00:51:00.240 --> 00:51:12.120 Sign up for EDM if you're interested in how to be part of our equipping courses, which feeds into our mobilization, our networks. 00:51:12.580 --> 00:51:14.500 We want to get you connected to Outposts. 00:51:14.500 --> 00:51:16.720 Like, all this is right around the corner. 00:51:17.680 --> 00:51:20.680 So join in with us as we're starting to head this way. 00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:21.060 Okay? 00:51:21.700 --> 00:51:23.780 Hey, that is going to wrap. 00:51:24.340 --> 00:51:26.260 I'm going to see you all sign up for EDM. 00:51:26.340 --> 00:51:33.460 I'm going to see you next Tuesday, 1 p.m. Eastern in New York time on the Church Digital's YouTube. 00:51:34.420 --> 00:51:37.120 And for Jeff, this is Jeff. 00:51:37.300 --> 00:51:41.600 By the way, let's say goodbye as we're wrapping up in this sad moment. 00:51:42.260 --> 00:51:44.900 Let's say goodbye to Funko Pop Da Vinci. 00:51:45.560 --> 00:51:48.620 This is probably the last time you will see Funko Pop Da Vinci. 00:51:48.780 --> 00:51:55.520 I keep them right here on my desk, just always an arm reach away, because I love having Funko Pop Da Vinci available. 00:51:56.280 --> 00:52:02.000 I also have Funko Pop Darth Vader sitting on his throne. 00:52:02.860 --> 00:52:03.840 I mean, that's kind of bad, right? 00:52:05.140 --> 00:52:06.140 Interesting story on that one. 00:52:06.260 --> 00:52:06.800 But that's okay. 00:52:07.980 --> 00:52:09.100 So say goodbye to Da Vinci. 00:52:09.240 --> 00:52:16.420 We're going to wrap up Season 11 here of the Flywheel. 00:52:17.080 --> 00:52:19.260 Digital Missionary Flywheel is toast. 00:52:19.380 --> 00:52:19.920 We're done. 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:25.240 We have talked about Equip, excuse me, Connect Community Equip, Mobilization. 00:52:25.700 --> 00:52:26.820 We've beat that drum. 00:52:27.420 --> 00:52:32.900 And so next week, Town Hall Meeting, then we're going to launch into questions. 00:52:33.560 --> 00:52:37.740 Questions that digital missionaries are wrestling with right now. 00:52:37.820 --> 00:52:38.720 Excited about that one. 00:52:38.900 --> 00:52:44.800 Getting back into the interview kind of conversations, less of a talking head from me in this next season. 00:52:44.900 --> 00:52:48.280 But next week, the TCD leadership team is coming together. 00:52:48.700 --> 00:52:52.560 We're all going to see you at the Town Hall right here Tuesday, 1 p.m. Eastern. 00:52:53.080 --> 00:52:53.340 All right. 00:52:53.620 --> 00:52:56.880 So for Jeff, this is Jeff to Church Digital. 00:52:57.040 --> 00:52:58.940 Thanks for hanging out with us as we land the plane. 00:52:59.180 --> 00:53:00.320 And you all have a good day. 00:53:00.680 --> 00:53:00.860 Bye. 00:53:03.420 --> 00:53:04.040 Just kidding. 00:53:04.120 --> 00:53:05.260 I got to click the button twice. 00:53:05.260 --> 00:53:10.180 I was trying to be all slick and not look, but I realized I didn't actually click. 00:53:10.660 --> 00:53:11.580 So I'm going to click it again. 00:53:12.160 --> 00:53:14.220 Hey, this is Jeff of the Church Desert Orlando Plain. 00:53:14.300 --> 00:53:15.700 Thanks for hanging out with us, and you all have a good day. 00:53:16.080 --> 00:53:16.280 Bye.