WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:14.540 all right hey episode 337 337 of the church digital podcast jeff here you know anytime 00:00:14.540 --> 00:00:20.640 i listen to uh this is uh stream stream beats harris heller uh but groovy this this particular 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:26.440 album um i feel like i'm in stranger things like i don't know maybe it's just you if you're if 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:33.000 envisioning being the upside down the happy upside down anyway is there a happy upside down is there 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:40.840 any other tv show that has taken longer to come out with than stranger things like i don't i don't 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:47.820 actually know what netflix is doing but i'm pretty sure some of those like elementary school age kids 00:00:47.820 --> 00:00:54.540 are are going to be having grandkids by the time that show actually hits the air it's crazy how long 00:00:54.540 --> 00:01:00.020 it is literally i think i'm holding on to my netflix subscription solely for the purpose of 00:01:00.020 --> 00:01:06.840 watching that show i i have honestly told myself once stranger things is over i will cancel it and 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:13.360 i'm pretty sure i said that two years ago the last time i watched uh a stranger things uh sees was a 00:01:13.360 --> 00:01:18.840 season four and uh they they just they they won't come out with it it's like they know they're trying 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:24.360 to figure out how to get my what is it you know at this point 99 a month it's not that much but 00:01:24.360 --> 00:01:30.520 you know it's it's it's like they they find a way they they just they find a way to get the money 00:01:30.520 --> 00:01:36.780 and and so netflix i'm on to you i've moved on to disney because disney doesn't want my money 00:01:36.780 --> 00:01:42.100 i can't even finish the sentence that's awesome hey everybody uh welcome to the podcast it's uh great 00:01:42.100 --> 00:01:49.460 to be here kind of a little relaxed today uh i've got a a topic i'm just gonna gonna vamp on here 00:01:49.460 --> 00:01:55.100 in a little bit but heading into it i want i want to welcome the room those of you who are watching 00:01:55.100 --> 00:02:03.620 uh in real time okay steve reed brother from another mother i just realized i um my coffee was 00:02:03.620 --> 00:02:08.500 still in the coffee machine and not where i could reach it so i had to step out steve uh okay steve got 00:02:08.500 --> 00:02:14.100 first evidently okay who beat me here uh evidently nobody did steve steve you got there first of all 00:02:16.820 --> 00:02:23.140 welcome number two we got jeremy jeremy is saying hello hey jeremy jeremy i don't think i've met you 00:02:23.140 --> 00:02:29.300 but i i recognize your name from a spreadsheet of people that are signing up for equipping digital 00:02:29.300 --> 00:02:35.060 missionaries and so hey great great to meet you uh looking forward to learning more about you here 00:02:35.060 --> 00:02:42.260 uh and uh looking forward to getting your take on an edm uh if you're curious about uh uh 00:02:42.260 --> 00:02:51.460 troipocalypse you know is troy in fact skipping school or not he is not in class because he is 00:02:51.460 --> 00:02:58.820 taking the time to text hi steve and then making me an accomplice to this situation by putting it into 00:02:59.540 --> 00:03:06.980 uh youtube hi jeff so steve and and jeff the two reed not brothers are now accomplices in 00:03:06.980 --> 00:03:16.020 making sure that troy is not in class i'm so proud uh fabio is is saying hey and of course steve says 00:03:16.020 --> 00:03:22.020 hey troy back which now i feel bad for not saying hey so i'll say it audibly hey troy get your butt back 00:03:22.020 --> 00:03:28.420 in class graduate you got like two weeks left bro finish strong that was my disclaimer in case any 00:03:28.420 --> 00:03:35.860 police official is watching this i am not asking kids to skip school that being said troy you're two 00:03:35.860 --> 00:03:40.900 weeks away from graduating high school finish strong and then do whatever the crap you want bro i feel 00:03:40.900 --> 00:03:47.620 like i say that every week man he's oh that's right that's right tuesdays evidently tuesday tuesdays is 00:03:47.620 --> 00:03:55.700 co-op day for troy and so you're heading to work here in in a little bit edith hey how are you good 00:03:55.700 --> 00:04:00.340 good to see you as well good to see you again i appreciate you coming on here uh and so hey listen 00:04:00.340 --> 00:04:06.900 we're gonna have a a lot of fun today uh doing a doing a a deep dive on an interesting topic well this 00:04:06.900 --> 00:04:14.500 is an interesting topic to me globally i have so many people ask me uh this this question centered around 00:04:15.140 --> 00:04:20.340 digital the role of digital media or when i talk about you know doing digital missions work they're 00:04:20.340 --> 00:04:26.180 like oh i do digital media and then there's silence and so i want to want to speak into that a little 00:04:26.180 --> 00:04:31.060 bit maybe i'm not understanding maybe there's an opportunity to think bigger do something different 00:04:31.060 --> 00:04:36.500 i don't know it just feels to me that it's as i'm holding my coffee precariously while standing 00:04:36.500 --> 00:04:38.340 afraid i'm going to like shake it and drop it 00:04:41.220 --> 00:04:45.620 it seems to me that there's there's an opportunity to do more and that's what i want to dig into a 00:04:45.620 --> 00:04:53.860 little bit on on this stream today uh but before we get there hey put this on your calendar right now 00:04:53.860 --> 00:05:01.380 oh my gosh i i i just finished as i literally before i jumped on this stream i just finished uh the slide 00:05:01.380 --> 00:05:10.420 deck the presentation y'all we are doing our town hall meeting uh for summer 25 every you know hopefully 00:05:10.420 --> 00:05:17.380 hopefully realize this every three months couple two or three times a year uh we do a town hall meeting 00:05:17.380 --> 00:05:22.900 where we gather together all the church digital open it up and really this is our opportunity hey we 00:05:22.900 --> 00:05:28.500 want to hear from you what's working what's not working in your in your ministry how can we help 00:05:28.500 --> 00:05:34.020 you what are the challenges what are the obstacles and this is really it's one of the the best 00:05:34.020 --> 00:05:42.260 opportunities we have to to dialogue it was out of the town hall meetings and all of the jeff when are 00:05:42.260 --> 00:05:46.660 you going to do a conference jeff when are you going to do a conference jeff you really need to do a 00:05:46.660 --> 00:05:52.980 conference that we decided to to launch the the digital missionary conference which was awesome of 00:05:52.980 --> 00:05:59.620 course if you remember back to a month ago can you believe it was only a month ago april 2nd so 00:05:59.620 --> 00:06:09.380 literally uh 33 days ago 35 days ago anyway uh so we are doing our next town hall meeting uh basically 00:06:09.380 --> 00:06:20.020 this time in three weeks in two weeks uh may 20th tuesday may 20th 1 p.m eastern count it 14 days from 00:06:20.020 --> 00:06:25.380 today uh we'll be in a town hall meeting and and i want to want to hear from you on top of that 00:06:26.340 --> 00:06:31.140 in addition to hearing from you oh my gosh i i i thought hey this is going to be a light town hall 00:06:31.140 --> 00:06:35.460 meeting we're really not going to we're not going to push that this this much stuff because we're really 00:06:35.460 --> 00:06:42.820 really trying to you know focus and narrow down and and and and fine tune not a lot it's going to be 00:06:42.820 --> 00:06:47.060 a light town hall meeting and then you know somebody's like well jeff are you going to talk about this 00:06:47.060 --> 00:06:50.980 yeah i'm going to talk about that somebody else said hey are you going to talk about this yeah i'm 00:06:50.980 --> 00:06:54.180 going to want to talk about that yeah i'm going to want to talk about that and all of a sudden now 00:06:54.180 --> 00:07:02.100 i've got like a 30 point slide deck and so listen there is going to be all sorts of awesome things 00:07:02.100 --> 00:07:12.500 that we are going to be announcing at the may 20th town hall meeting may 20th tuesday may 20th 1 p.m 00:07:12.500 --> 00:07:21.060 eastern including i'm not even sure i'm going to open with this or not it'll remain to be seen 00:07:21.060 --> 00:07:27.380 i'm announcing the conferences wait wait did he say conferences jeff how many conferences are you 00:07:27.380 --> 00:07:40.020 doing um more than one more than two maybe more than three listen we're we're going we're going all 00:07:40.020 --> 00:07:48.100 in baby uh you do not want to miss the town hall thursday tuesday tuesday tuesday may 20th 1 p.m 00:07:48.900 --> 00:07:55.060 eastern right here on tcd's youtube you're not going to make it live we'll watch it on demand but oh 00:07:55.060 --> 00:07:59.620 live is so much more fun uh we'll have some interactive components like we always do with 00:07:59.620 --> 00:08:06.820 the town halls and uh we'll see you live in the show okay hey and you know what we've got some some 00:08:06.820 --> 00:08:12.980 new things coming up with uh the stream as well looking at making some adjustments was talking with 00:08:12.980 --> 00:08:19.300 the team over the past couple days about that um love hanging out with y'all love doing this we'll 00:08:19.300 --> 00:08:26.500 continue doing this uh until probably i'm dead in the in the in the grave or until i can find out somebody 00:08:26.500 --> 00:08:32.660 better to do it than me no but but uh we want to fine tune we're gonna start to highlight uh some 00:08:32.660 --> 00:08:41.060 partners some opportunities uh ways to equip you better uh not only not only like partners but really 00:08:42.980 --> 00:08:49.460 platforms that you all can be using and taking advantage of uh to as ways to highlight uh tools 00:08:50.020 --> 00:08:54.580 and and and things that can help you do the ministry you're doing on top of that we really want to 00:08:54.580 --> 00:08:59.860 highlight even on top of that some of the outposts that that we're we're working with and and that we're 00:08:59.860 --> 00:09:05.860 starting to build up some of these regional networks that are excited about doing doing ministry and um 00:09:07.140 --> 00:09:15.220 you know what i keep i have been i've been wanting to send an email out for oh my gosh jesse carbo i've 00:09:15.220 --> 00:09:22.260 let you down again i've been supposed to send this email for a month uh jesse and i uh kind of tag 00:09:22.260 --> 00:09:28.980 team this idea to do a stream together with an individual an incredible individual uh who will 00:09:28.980 --> 00:09:33.700 most likely say yes and and i just keep forgetting to ask literally i keep forgetting to ask the person 00:09:33.700 --> 00:09:40.980 if they wouldn't mind coming i'll give you a hint coming back on the podcast uh and so i just i 00:09:40.980 --> 00:09:47.220 need to literally remember to write the email you would not think that it would be that hard to remember 00:09:47.220 --> 00:09:57.780 to write an email yet in my life it it is it is that hard to remember to write an email um i uh i i i need a 00:09:57.780 --> 00:10:05.220 secretary i need an assistant i need an admin i need a project manager i need somebody to tell me jeff it's 00:10:05.220 --> 00:10:13.140 it's time to do your laundry and if you don't get that uh well hang out and fam on uh was was it 00:10:13.140 --> 00:10:19.300 whatsapp hang out whatsapp on fam and you'll learn probably far more about my laundry than you really 00:10:19.300 --> 00:10:26.340 want to know about my laundry because fam whatsapp listen i i love the discord i love the gamers 00:10:26.340 --> 00:10:33.300 but but if i'm honest oh whatsapp is so much more fun for me um leighton's doing a great job the 00:10:33.300 --> 00:10:38.260 gaming some some of the crowd you know i was talking with with one of our leaders this week hey do you 00:10:38.260 --> 00:10:45.060 prefer discord or whatsapp and he's like oh no no i'm much more a discord guy and and this guy was a 00:10:45.060 --> 00:10:52.340 a discord guy oh my gosh whatsapp whatsapp is a lot of fun well hey we got some more people checking 00:10:52.340 --> 00:11:02.340 in uh mr pete mr pete is in the house how are you sir it's good to see you again um uh troy is coming 00:11:02.340 --> 00:11:08.100 to the town hall town hall meeting he will not be skipping class to come to the town hall meeting troy will 00:11:08.100 --> 00:11:13.700 you be in school by then uh or will you be will you be done troy what is graduation day i i need to 00:11:13.700 --> 00:11:20.980 know tell me now tell me now tell me now tell me now when's graduation day okay um methos i gotta 00:11:20.980 --> 00:11:28.420 click uh he's making an allusion to like conference was a month ago can you believe oh i i we we got a 00:11:28.420 --> 00:11:36.740 new platform for the conference um i'm so excited y'all uh it's gonna be good it's gonna be good we are 00:11:36.740 --> 00:11:43.380 learning lessons and we are moving on it's gonna be great coming up here for the digital missionary 00:11:43.380 --> 00:11:55.220 conferences uh coming in fall 2025 uh and uh troy uh yes it is hard to write and email it's uh i'm 00:11:55.220 --> 00:12:02.660 gonna assume you meant an email and and that was a typo um troy 00:12:02.660 --> 00:12:09.860 you're in pittsburgh you're in no where are you you're you're in you're in pennsylvania i'm trying to 00:12:09.860 --> 00:12:13.300 think of the name of the city i was just who was i just talking with somebody who's coming up to your 00:12:13.300 --> 00:12:19.620 neck of the woods i'll think about it later don't worry about it hey so here's what happened i'm hanging 00:12:19.620 --> 00:12:31.060 out in uh in in my um in in the fam over on on whatsapp and meeting you know new people that that community 00:12:31.060 --> 00:12:41.620 is exploding and the fun thing is is it is it's it's a global mix like it is just literally people 00:12:41.620 --> 00:12:49.780 from all over over the planet and they're always asking um you know i mean they're there they come 00:12:49.780 --> 00:12:56.100 on and it's somebody said something about something and then they find the church digital they find this 00:12:56.100 --> 00:13:01.060 on youtube coming in and hey you know it's my first time here uh by the way if you're watching 00:13:01.060 --> 00:13:07.380 this on youtube uh and yes we're talking about community uh our whatsapp you can find us online 00:13:07.380 --> 00:13:14.260 at whatsapp.thechurch.digital and you can find us at discord discord.thechurch.digital those are 00:13:14.260 --> 00:13:19.460 two very easy ways to get connected into our community direct links it'll get you right in the door it's 00:13:19.460 --> 00:13:28.820 it's beautiful but um so i was asking this guy or he came on and this person was international i believe 00:13:28.820 --> 00:13:33.860 from the middle east uh i'm not i'm not going to share his name but he was he was talking about some 00:13:33.860 --> 00:13:41.220 of the uh ministry that that he was doing in that in that particular region and uh and he started asking 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:49.380 me you know tips on asynchronous community because it's if it's one thing that that we the church digital 00:13:49.460 --> 00:13:57.460 like i'm i'm gonna pat andy mage on on the back here um maybe rub his bald head for good luck and 00:13:57.460 --> 00:14:03.140 i'm guilty of it too it's cool i'll go and do it on camera um like we are and i don't want to jinx 00:14:03.140 --> 00:14:14.100 this situation and he's actually very um how do i say this uh very um oh what's the word like he he's um 00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:21.140 he gets scared of of like uh like jinxes and stuff superstitious and he's very superstitious and so 00:14:21.140 --> 00:14:25.460 when i say hey you know what things are really going well in asynchronous world for the church 00:14:25.460 --> 00:14:32.020 digital and andy's responsible for asynchronous for digital community like he wigs out he's like oh my 00:14:32.020 --> 00:14:38.420 gosh jeff you just jinxed it don't do that and i remember this particular conversation actually steve was 00:14:38.420 --> 00:14:43.780 like um steve reed was like what's asynchronous or you know it took me like a month to figure out 00:14:43.780 --> 00:14:49.620 what asynchronous was jeff because you you say the word so much um and it was funny it is true we we 00:14:49.620 --> 00:14:58.340 do talk about asynchronous a lot uh and so i i went up to to chat gpt i'm building an agent kind of on the 00:14:58.340 --> 00:15:07.300 side uh of chat gpt and i said hey scour out all of the church digitals blogs and videos and write a 00:15:07.300 --> 00:15:12.820 3 000 word article explaining our view of asynchronous communities and you can find that 00:15:12.820 --> 00:15:17.620 now on on whatsapp and i think i put it on discord too it's it's a pretty good article like all things 00:15:17.620 --> 00:15:26.580 considered you know go uh chat gpt nailed that sucker pretty well um i also really wish uh chat gpt would 00:15:26.580 --> 00:15:31.140 learn how to do my laundry which is another conversation that i mentioned earlier but i want to get into it 00:15:31.140 --> 00:15:37.460 here but this individual i said so so what are you doing with uh what's your what's your what's your 00:15:37.460 --> 00:15:44.900 strategy right now and uh and essentially this individual says well uh we do we do digital media 00:15:46.340 --> 00:15:53.620 and then it just kind of ends and uh now he had i i dug in with this person individually and he had a 00:15:53.620 --> 00:15:59.940 much richer strategy and and like this is there was a there was a deep end to this this is not me 00:15:59.940 --> 00:16:07.620 pointing any fingers or making any uh accusations directed towards this one individual but it's it's this 00:16:08.260 --> 00:16:18.900 um it's this idea that digital media and this is something that that i don't think we sell well 00:16:18.900 --> 00:16:26.820 through the through the church digital content digital media videos at that connection level 00:16:28.020 --> 00:16:36.820 digital media plays a crucial role in us connecting with people digitally at the global scale oftentimes 00:16:36.820 --> 00:16:46.580 it gets it gets downplayed uh in in large part because well at least for for me i i have come from 00:16:46.580 --> 00:16:55.300 creating tons of content from the physical church and environment and almost the digital media 00:16:56.100 --> 00:17:04.100 relational push it like relationships and digital media relationships and and content it's almost like 00:17:04.100 --> 00:17:11.540 it's it's um exact opposites it's polar opposites when it's it's really one needs to be the front 00:17:11.540 --> 00:17:20.100 door to the other it really is the content digital media needs to be the front door into community 00:17:21.060 --> 00:17:28.100 oftentimes and i'll just speak for me oftentimes i kind of like back off the content because 00:17:28.100 --> 00:17:35.540 really we we don't need more more content there's content all over the place uh people that that are 00:17:35.540 --> 00:17:41.140 are are watching you and this is true they're not they're not interested in content they're interested 00:17:41.140 --> 00:17:49.060 in community uh i mean people aren't interested in watching this stream because some bald guy with 00:17:49.060 --> 00:17:57.140 the beard is talking right now they're they're interested because they have some level of a relationship with 00:17:57.140 --> 00:18:05.460 me and and they know because of who i am in community that i am easily accessible as a matter of fact i've 00:18:05.460 --> 00:18:14.420 had strangers walk up to me in airports and say aren't you the guy from blah blah blah um it's great to finally meet 00:18:14.420 --> 00:18:24.100 you i've seen you on blah we've talked at blah i was at expo and um this is so funny somebody literally 00:18:24.100 --> 00:18:32.180 walked up to me at the exponential conference in uh orlando florida in march of this year and said 00:18:32.900 --> 00:18:42.740 aren't you the guy that did the talk on um journey now the funny thing was this is an american rock band 00:18:42.740 --> 00:18:51.620 called journey i did in fact parallel journeys uh hit song don't stop believing to the growth and rise 00:18:51.620 --> 00:18:58.340 of digital churches in uh pre-covid maybe it was during covet 2020 yeah it was during covet 2021 00:18:59.460 --> 00:19:05.380 yeah it was it was it was a crazy talk but it was like five years ago and this person remembered it 00:19:06.020 --> 00:19:12.660 and and and this person once once they once he got me at the conference started digging in asking me all 00:19:12.660 --> 00:19:19.540 these questions what was going on like he filed away this piece of content from four or five years ago 00:19:19.540 --> 00:19:27.300 whatever it was 2020 2021 but it wasn't until he actually saw me that he he actioned on it and and 00:19:27.300 --> 00:19:32.980 started to apply it and dig into it saying things like man i really wish we should do this we should look 00:19:32.980 --> 00:19:37.940 into this at our church would you be available how do we get connected what's the best way and i you know 00:19:37.940 --> 00:19:42.980 give him the website give him the community and uh you know he may be stumbling around or not i i don't know 00:19:44.580 --> 00:19:56.980 but the content plays a big part in driving people to community you you you hear me say our framework 00:19:56.980 --> 00:20:03.780 our flywheel all the time the people we connect to digitally we want to invite them into a community 00:20:03.780 --> 00:20:10.260 where we're building a relationship where we're establishing trust evangelism discipleship all of 00:20:10.260 --> 00:20:18.500 this happens best at the community level as part of that discipleship we want to find and help people 00:20:18.500 --> 00:20:27.300 find what their calling is on their life what god is calling each individual to do and then mobilize them 00:20:27.300 --> 00:20:35.620 send them out hold them accountable to do what god is calling them to do connect community equip 00:20:36.260 --> 00:20:42.820 mobilize that's the four parts of the framework of the flywheel you know i can even hope some of you may 00:20:42.820 --> 00:20:50.020 remember the deep cut here i got funko pop leonardo da vinci inventor of the flywheel and uh that that's 00:20:50.020 --> 00:21:00.740 that's the thing so that's the flywheel now connect content is a place a big part of this now now what we 00:21:00.740 --> 00:21:12.260 see globally and this is a point of contention is too strong of a word this is something that i would love to 00:21:12.260 --> 00:21:24.260 challenge because we've seen it play differently uh more effectively globally what happens a lot of times 00:21:24.260 --> 00:21:33.540 is people will utilize content in the same way we do uh we're using content to connect with people 00:21:35.060 --> 00:21:43.540 but to build relationships and establish trust they're not sending it from a into a community like a 00:21:43.540 --> 00:21:51.940 discord or like a whatsapp instead they're sending it as quickly as possible into a one-on-one conversation 00:21:52.500 --> 00:22:00.500 now now now this could be a one-on-one conversation maybe with a pastor with a a church member maybe 00:22:00.500 --> 00:22:08.020 even it could be a one-on-one conversation with a a call center like somebody who's an operator that is 00:22:08.580 --> 00:22:17.060 is you know dialoguing and this conversation could be via texting it could be a voice conversation it could 00:22:17.060 --> 00:22:23.540 be i've even seen some people try to do it with zoom or or with with whatsapp you know try to google meet 00:22:23.540 --> 00:22:28.900 like try to have a face-to-face conversation right off the bat like you're you're having a um 00:22:30.100 --> 00:22:34.580 you're you're reading a blog you're watching a youtube video and then all of a sudden you're face-to-face 00:22:34.580 --> 00:22:37.380 with someone uh on on on a google meet call 00:22:40.020 --> 00:22:47.220 in my opinion and this is based off of the the years of doing digital ministry here in the u.s and 00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:52.100 helping with digital media media globally this is outside of the physical church doing digital 00:22:52.100 --> 00:22:57.460 ministry this is also based on what we're seeing through the church digital digital church network 00:22:57.460 --> 00:23:02.580 and some of the other orgs we've worked with dcn that's a that's a throwback i had said dcn in a 00:23:02.580 --> 00:23:10.180 couple years um look it it's all about boiling the frog slowly which is interesting because five years 00:23:10.180 --> 00:23:15.780 ago early covid i would have agreed get that person in a webcam conversation as quickly as possible 00:23:16.500 --> 00:23:24.020 but that's just it is is that over the years building trust 00:23:26.020 --> 00:23:34.340 takes time and this is what i think it's lost a lot of time globally and digitally is that we have this 00:23:34.340 --> 00:23:42.260 desire to want to move fast we want to move quick with it but it's it's not a quick thing you know it's 00:23:42.260 --> 00:23:51.380 interesting i actually there's there's a church that um i'm friends with and they they have an incredible 00:23:51.940 --> 00:24:01.380 church service online like the production quality the production elements of how they broadcast their 00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:08.900 physical church service digitally it's state-of-the-art like top shelf i would say this is in the top one 00:24:08.900 --> 00:24:15.700 percent of church broadcasts across this country of america uh across the united states great stuff 00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:22.740 i've asked them hey how many people do you know and they've got thousands of people thousands of 00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:29.220 people watch church services from around the round the round watch this church's services this particular 00:24:29.220 --> 00:24:34.740 church's services thousands of people around the world it's not just isolated to their their city 00:24:34.740 --> 00:24:42.660 state even their country like it's a globally recognized church here's the challenge hey how do the 00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:50.260 the people that are watching how many do you actually know like online pastor how many names rattle me off 00:24:50.260 --> 00:25:00.340 50 names right now can't do it 30 names 15 names 10 5 he could probably do five to seven 00:25:02.340 --> 00:25:09.220 and and it's this unfortunate reality with having ministry that's based on media 00:25:10.580 --> 00:25:21.220 digital media based on content is that it's very easy to not know the people you're interacting with 00:25:23.380 --> 00:25:30.260 listen as a people is so funny when people call me an influencer i i just kind of roll my eyes because 00:25:30.260 --> 00:25:38.500 i don't i don't even know what that means for me i i humbly i do not wear that label well but i i would 00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:46.420 say this is that you have to work hard to make yourself accessible if you're in the game of content 00:25:47.140 --> 00:25:54.100 because as nice as it is for you for people to listen to you they really want to interact with you 00:25:55.460 --> 00:26:03.940 they really want to talk about them and have you listen to them they want to ask you questions about what 00:26:03.940 --> 00:26:10.820 they're going through or they want to tell you what they're doing and and and have you 00:26:12.500 --> 00:26:18.980 approve validate help in what they're doing it's funny when i when i list when i talked to up i did 00:26:18.980 --> 00:26:24.020 it today i was talking to a digital church planner he wants to plan a church in gaming and i think he's 00:26:24.020 --> 00:26:29.860 in indonesia you know it's funny i always get indochina indonesia mixed up in the head i think 00:26:29.860 --> 00:26:35.220 he was indonesia i'm not actually sure indochina is a country i am not good at geography and if my 00:26:35.220 --> 00:26:40.020 father's watching i'm sorry he was a geography teacher for years and he's yelling at me right 00:26:40.020 --> 00:26:46.820 now he's if he's watching he's literally screaming at the the computer monitor screaming madison madison 00:26:46.820 --> 00:26:52.260 i'm mad son oh my gosh that just triggered me if i'm gonna start crying in a minute i'm gonna be in a 00:26:52.260 --> 00:26:59.060 ball over here but um that's another story for a different day the the that was a long rabbit trail 00:26:59.060 --> 00:27:05.860 well let me try to come back the the the fact is is that they want to interact with you this guy 00:27:05.860 --> 00:27:13.060 i was on the call with today in indonesia um i i literally i spent just asking him questions 00:27:13.860 --> 00:27:20.500 and letting him talk getting him to share with me listen i could have lectured the guy i could 00:27:20.500 --> 00:27:27.060 have got out of a soapbox and told him but i want to hear from you what are you doing position me as as 00:27:27.060 --> 00:27:35.700 as a learner in that situation digitally in order to build trust in order to establish relationships 00:27:35.700 --> 00:27:40.900 you got to shut up you have to stop talking what we're doing right now you are not building a 00:27:40.900 --> 00:27:46.260 relationship with me i'm telling you what to do and i'm telling you this is not the method 00:27:46.260 --> 00:27:53.380 to build relationships this is the method to monologue and so you can establish expertise at 00:27:53.380 --> 00:28:02.660 that level but you're not establishing trust and this is where you need to ask questions and let others 00:28:02.660 --> 00:28:10.020 do the talking it's funny i've got this i use uh so we we know this we use a phantom i them i use 00:28:10.020 --> 00:28:16.100 fathom if you have a meet call with me a zoom call with me you know i can skip around like it's it's 00:28:16.100 --> 00:28:21.220 great i can search it's ai based so i can ask questions hey what did i say and instead of having 00:28:21.220 --> 00:28:28.100 to like scroll through pages of dialogue it actually pulls it ai wise it pulls it from the record and 00:28:28.100 --> 00:28:35.540 shows me but uh there's a little add-on that i love about fathom where up in the upper right hand 00:28:35.540 --> 00:28:42.740 corner of my computer monitor when i'm recording the meeting it says um basically you've been talking 00:28:43.300 --> 00:28:50.500 x percent of this meeting so like on this call i've been talking 100 of the time because i'm 00:28:50.500 --> 00:28:57.060 streaming i don't have a guest it is me lecturing for this one that being said but i'm on a google meet 00:28:57.060 --> 00:29:04.660 call and you know there's there's four or five people in the room and and my percentage says that 00:29:04.660 --> 00:29:10.740 i've been talking 85 of the time well that means no one else is doing the talking except for me and 00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:21.140 that's that's not i mean in times i think it's okay but it's better to do instead of monologue 00:29:22.100 --> 00:29:27.780 now what's interesting is i think i just lost internet maybe it's coming back i'm seeing my 00:29:27.780 --> 00:29:34.660 internet kind of hiccup on me here a little bit oh well we're gonna just roll with it and hopefully 00:29:34.660 --> 00:29:40.660 it works out i think this is going to be recorded on my desk and so worst case scenario we'll just upload 00:29:40.660 --> 00:29:50.660 it it's important to ask questions more than making statements listen more than you talk um use question 00:29:50.660 --> 00:29:58.900 marks more than periods don't use exclamation marks don't platform don't scream dialogue with people 00:29:58.900 --> 00:30:06.980 through the process and and what you'll find in those situations is is that god will use you 00:30:06.980 --> 00:30:16.340 as a way to help you understand how best to engage as i was talking to my my friend here in indonesia 00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:26.020 all of a sudden um an idea of of how to approach the conversation it let me see his motives let me see 00:30:26.020 --> 00:30:32.660 what his things were and i could ask more questions you know we've been doing a lot lately talking about 00:30:32.660 --> 00:30:39.460 active listening and this is really the opportunity for active listening where we can start to highlight 00:30:39.460 --> 00:30:53.300 some of these ways um to listen to engage more with people instead of pushing an idea or pushing and a word 00:30:54.980 --> 00:31:04.500 and so using content like this stream or like twitch or like uh tick tock or instagram or facebook using all of 00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:08.100 all of these different things are definitely viable 00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:12.900 because it's a way to connect with people 00:31:13.300 --> 00:31:23.620 but it is not the only thing you should be doing it is not um exclusive 00:31:25.620 --> 00:31:33.540 connection without community in 2025's culture connection without community is 00:31:34.260 --> 00:31:42.340 is worthless it's meaningless you have to have the community in order to be effective with evangelism 00:31:42.340 --> 00:31:47.780 and discipleship now okay wait wait jeff are you telling me that god can't yes god can 00:31:47.780 --> 00:31:54.580 yes the holy spirit can i'm saying that on isolated in isolated circumstances 00:31:55.220 --> 00:32:02.900 yes god can do something which romans tells us that man can look at nature and see the attributes 00:32:02.900 --> 00:32:08.020 of god and know who he is just that looking at nature surrounding the man 00:32:08.900 --> 00:32:16.660 and so yes god can do something in all situations what i'm saying is that culturally in 2025 00:32:19.300 --> 00:32:26.340 i would say this in the 1980s and 90s in the 70s maybe in the heyday of the church here in america 00:32:26.340 --> 00:32:33.380 there was much more hey content or how people are going to find jesus arguably a lot of the the 00:32:33.380 --> 00:32:38.420 decline of the church at least here in america has been centered around that because the church 00:32:38.980 --> 00:32:44.740 in 2020 we're still doing the same thing that we were doing in the 70s yeah our worship style changed 00:32:45.220 --> 00:32:52.820 um and uh our our messages maybe are a little more spit and polish and we've got better 00:32:52.820 --> 00:33:02.020 sermon series titles and better like you know illustrations and effects and things but um largely 00:33:02.020 --> 00:33:10.740 the method of evangelism the sermon hasn't changed in centuries so what's what's happening 00:33:11.540 --> 00:33:21.220 is that we are trying to communicate with people who jesus is via sermon via content and they're not 00:33:21.220 --> 00:33:29.460 receptive to it because they're also needing community relationship to engage in the content 00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:38.020 i can remember this is another u.s story pre-covid um it was a it was a carrie knew it was so funny 00:33:38.500 --> 00:33:43.620 this was i i can tell you the name of the church i'm not going to but this this podcast always stuck 00:33:43.620 --> 00:33:49.540 with me it's a carrie newhawk podcast yeah pre-covid and uh carrie's interviewing a lead 00:33:49.540 --> 00:33:56.660 pastor of a mega giga church this is pre-covid and um and uh the senior pastor of this mega giga church 00:33:57.860 --> 00:34:00.100 probably 20 000 15 20 000 people 00:34:02.180 --> 00:34:07.220 on weekends the u.s pastors talking with something because the interview was more about 00:34:07.780 --> 00:34:12.420 contents more about sermon more about that more about the weekend service i think it was on the 00:34:12.420 --> 00:34:17.460 weekend service now i think about it but in this pastor was going on and on and on about the weekend service 00:34:19.140 --> 00:34:27.700 and and carrie asked uh well how how how are what do you guys do for groups what do you do for small groups 00:34:29.140 --> 00:34:37.060 and um the the lead pastor of this mega giga church pause and he's like well if it's one thing that we 00:34:37.060 --> 00:34:44.340 learned it's that groups really aren't effective in our church's culture so we just don't waste any of 00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:45.220 our time doing it 00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:58.980 in 2025 post-covid culture every church every individual every person that desires to do 00:34:58.980 --> 00:35:07.940 ministry every missionary needs to take advantage or connect with people that are doing community 00:35:08.500 --> 00:35:15.060 maybe you're a content creator and you just want to partner with somebody to to like do community for 00:35:15.060 --> 00:35:20.980 you that's better than thumbing your nose at it and saying no you know what i just we're not going to 00:35:20.980 --> 00:35:30.660 do community we're just going to create content i'm telling you content creation without community i i would 00:35:32.420 --> 00:35:41.540 i i would i would suggest this it's it's pointless because the content is not going to land unless 00:35:41.540 --> 00:35:51.060 you've got the community to reinforce it i mean even stupid memes mean more when there's a community 00:35:51.700 --> 00:35:59.780 to dialogue with and to crack jokes and to unpack it at a deeper level this morning i posted a really 00:35:59.780 --> 00:36:06.180 i i thought it was funny it was a news clipping article uh maybe it was real maybe it was ai which 00:36:06.180 --> 00:36:12.180 would make it even more funny but it was this this woman quoted in the newspaper photo was included it 00:36:12.180 --> 00:36:22.660 looked real and she's she's like i long for the day when uh when ai does my laundry so i can do more 00:36:22.660 --> 00:36:31.380 art instead of ai doing my art so i can do more laundry i thought that was funny and so i posted it in 00:36:31.380 --> 00:36:38.420 the group and that's why all of a sudden we start talking about rosie and and um you know my ridiculous 00:36:38.420 --> 00:36:43.380 mountain of laundry that i've got in my closet right now true or false i may have been wearing 00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:49.540 the same pair of jeans for multiple months at this point like it's it's been a stretch since i've done 00:36:49.540 --> 00:36:55.620 laundry uh confession hour pray for my wife she desperately needs it uh not because she's doing my 00:36:55.620 --> 00:37:01.620 laundry but because she's got to put up with me when i don't do laundry where am i going with this 00:37:02.580 --> 00:37:10.980 is that community uh accelerates community validates community um what's the word i'm looking for 00:37:10.980 --> 00:37:20.260 multiplies uh community um exponentially increases what's happening on the content you want to pour 00:37:20.260 --> 00:37:29.860 gasoline on the flame of of what you're doing involve community and the idea of well let's i'm going to 00:37:29.860 --> 00:37:40.500 drive that conversation to a one-on-one in my opinion and what i've seen a one-on-one conversation too soon 00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:47.700 chases people away or at least let's say a large percentage of people away there are some people 00:37:47.700 --> 00:37:52.980 that will go to the this is going to be a bad analogy forgive me but there are some people who 00:37:52.980 --> 00:38:02.660 will in fact go to the uh meet the pastor portion of uh of the after service ritual at your physical 00:38:02.660 --> 00:38:08.180 church building they'll go see the sermon and oh yeah i'm a first time guest let's go meet the pastor 00:38:08.180 --> 00:38:13.300 and shake his hand and learn whatever they want to do whatever whatever happens in that space 00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:19.940 usually it's it's not the it's not the first time guest that goes to those things 00:38:20.660 --> 00:38:26.580 usually it's it's the people that have been around for a long time that that want to talk to the pastor 00:38:26.580 --> 00:38:30.100 and you actually have to work trust me you have to work really hard to keep 00:38:30.100 --> 00:38:35.060 the usual attender is out to make it about the first time guest meanwhile the first time guests 00:38:35.060 --> 00:38:38.980 are exhausted from the experience they're picking up their kids and they're getting out of dodge as 00:38:38.980 --> 00:38:45.460 quick as they can the point being is is that getting people into a face-to-face conversation 00:38:46.580 --> 00:38:56.020 is not the best way to build relationships slowly it it gets it gets awkward and so even even in digital 00:38:57.060 --> 00:39:03.940 using the digital community using one the many where i can i can be part of the community but i can 00:39:03.940 --> 00:39:11.620 i can step back i can be on the outside i cannot be engaging i i can kind of be passively watching 00:39:12.180 --> 00:39:18.020 and listening and see if i like it i can test drive before i get put on the spot 00:39:18.820 --> 00:39:24.660 it's funny it's back back in the in the 1980s the church that as i was i was like an elementary right 00:39:24.660 --> 00:39:31.780 i was little little kid and so the church that i was at first baptist church of p ryan down here in 00:39:31.780 --> 00:39:38.340 miami florida we would um anytime somebody was new we made them fill out that you know now we call them 00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:43.060 connection cards but it was a visitor card where they give their information and let them know and 00:39:43.060 --> 00:39:50.340 and lots of people would fill it out but there was this little like rose lapel rose sticker rose 00:39:50.340 --> 00:40:00.500 literally it was like a it was a sewn cloth um like uh threaded uh rose red rose with like adhesive 00:40:00.500 --> 00:40:07.220 sticky on the backside and people would put it to their jacket uh lapel right yeah that's jacket lapel 00:40:07.780 --> 00:40:13.620 and so like hey i'm a visitor look at me and in the 70s people wore that because they were it was 00:40:13.620 --> 00:40:19.220 comfortable it's proud there's pride in in being involved being a first-time guest and new and lots 00:40:19.220 --> 00:40:23.460 of people you know go around hey it's great to see you welcome to the community and like that was the 00:40:23.460 --> 00:40:33.060 way to bring people in 2025 people don't want to be singled out like that 2025 they want a little more 00:40:33.060 --> 00:40:41.860 control especially digitally digitally you want to give people control of their destiny you want to let 00:40:41.860 --> 00:40:48.420 them drive their engagement and discipleship process digitally you do not want to shove down them more 00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:57.620 and more content force them to 2025 you want them to have access to be able to pull in um the more you 00:40:57.620 --> 00:41:04.020 shove the less they're going to receive the more quickly they're going to unfollow uh the more you 00:41:04.020 --> 00:41:10.740 allow them to control the deeper they will go which means more engagement for you in the long haul now 00:41:10.740 --> 00:41:23.700 here's the challenge by doing this you have to agree to go slowly this is not microwave this is crockpot 00:41:23.700 --> 00:41:32.100 this is a slow boil this is not um i'm going to go from zero to a million overnight it's going to take 00:41:32.100 --> 00:41:40.340 time do you want it to go fast or do you want it do you want it right and fast will get you a percentage 00:41:42.260 --> 00:41:44.020 but it's not going to 00:41:46.420 --> 00:41:52.340 it's not going to be the numbers that time would be by the way fast is also expensive 00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:58.820 you know it's like do you want to you want it fast and and expensive or do you want it slow and cheap 00:41:59.780 --> 00:42:03.940 uh and then do you want it good or do you want it bad like that's there's a whole like three 00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:11.220 trifecta there where it's like you know uh how do you want it how what quality what time and what um 00:42:12.820 --> 00:42:17.300 uh yeah uh how anyway there's there's like two my brain totally lost that thought 00:42:20.180 --> 00:42:30.900 but how you are utilizing content to connect with people is hugely important and that digitally you 00:42:30.900 --> 00:42:37.540 give it time now i have had it we're just coming off equipping digital missionaries edm i have we've 00:42:37.540 --> 00:42:44.740 got maybe a dozen churches i would say that are currently in equipping digital missionaries cohort 00:42:45.300 --> 00:42:55.140 um and coming off it and they're like coming into edm saying i am curious about my church 00:42:56.260 --> 00:43:01.700 launching and starting a digital missionaries program and this is 00:43:03.460 --> 00:43:09.700 this is not broadcasting church services this is developing missionaries and sending them out 00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:17.460 to be on mission for christ digitally content plays a huge part in that content but it's not 00:43:18.340 --> 00:43:24.900 church content arguably you're you're asking your you know you're the people that are volunteering 00:43:24.900 --> 00:43:32.260 for this to create content for something different like you know i i know there's a there's a couple 00:43:32.260 --> 00:43:38.260 churches right now that are exploring the idea of gaming churches digitally and if you're doing that 00:43:38.260 --> 00:43:46.660 that that's great but you're not starting something um but but you're not broadcasting your church services 00:43:46.660 --> 00:43:54.020 on twitch you're creating content that engages with gamer community uh and then putting that in a place 00:43:54.020 --> 00:44:00.420 a place where gamers can access it to start to build relationships with gamers to draw them into your 00:44:00.420 --> 00:44:08.100 discord server or or you are going into their discord server without community without content 00:44:09.220 --> 00:44:16.260 and just building relationships in random discord servers uh which is a great play as well it's a little 00:44:16.260 --> 00:44:21.700 easier on the non-content creators but it takes time either way to develop it through 00:44:22.420 --> 00:44:28.100 my my point being is that it takes time to develop relationships 00:44:29.220 --> 00:44:29.780 digitally 00:44:32.500 --> 00:44:36.420 tyler sansom uh over at first capital christian court in indiana 00:44:37.140 --> 00:44:42.260 tyler one day i'll come visit you uh he's his church has always been the church that i 00:44:43.140 --> 00:44:50.100 want to come see and tyler has said to me over the years um it's maybe the best piece of advice 00:44:51.220 --> 00:44:58.500 i called him once uh during covid i was like hey i'm looking for a handful of like job profiles 00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:04.020 for digital pastors online pastors can you send me what what you guys are doing at a first capital 00:45:04.020 --> 00:45:10.740 christian and tyler you know sit back to me he said jeff um i don't have to send you anything this is 00:45:10.740 --> 00:45:17.140 the job profile you ready sure go ahead what do you got know 100 people digitally 00:45:20.100 --> 00:45:25.540 be in relationships with 100 people digitally that you are not in relationship with physically 00:45:27.540 --> 00:45:36.260 that was the job profile he said if you know people then christ will flow out of that which 00:45:36.260 --> 00:45:42.020 feeds into discipleship process which feeds into evangelism which feeds into everything else but he's 00:45:42.020 --> 00:45:51.860 he's like the impetus of everything is is being in relationship with 100 people outside of your physical context 00:45:55.460 --> 00:46:06.740 as digital missionaries as digital pastors it's not a bad idea using that content using that digital media 00:46:07.460 --> 00:46:17.860 to connect with people to build relationships so that you can say i literally know 100 people digitally 00:46:17.860 --> 00:46:21.780 and and with those relationships i'm funneling them into 00:46:23.460 --> 00:46:30.740 whatever the digital discipleship process you've got created um i'm sharing jesus i'm discipling them 00:46:30.740 --> 00:46:37.460 i'm helping them draw closer to who god is and helping them find what god's calling is on their life 00:46:40.180 --> 00:46:50.340 these are not that radical of ideas but respect that by doing that the answer is not just we do 00:46:50.340 --> 00:47:00.660 do media like for the for the content creators that are out there and and i say this very gently respectfully 00:47:01.860 --> 00:47:12.660 it's it's like you do content and what now what you do content now what i can remember there was a 00:47:12.660 --> 00:47:19.940 season in my ministry career i was production director for a mega large multi-site church down here in miami 00:47:21.300 --> 00:47:27.620 and there was a stretch new leadership new uh change of guard we lost a lot of of our existing 00:47:27.620 --> 00:47:35.620 leadership and volunteer base and there was a season there was a season in this church's life where it was all 00:47:36.260 --> 00:47:45.620 about the weekend 100 of all like the church was so thinly strapped that a hundred percent of the effort 00:47:45.620 --> 00:47:53.380 went into the weekend and and and we even said like to leadership we would say hey this is short term 00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:58.980 because we're needing to circle the wagons we're needing to build up some volunteers we're having to 00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:04.740 multiply to get ready to try to handle some other things and issues and so like it was a it was a 00:48:04.740 --> 00:48:10.260 short-term solution that we acknowledged up front and communicated out this isn't the long-term strategy 00:48:11.140 --> 00:48:17.140 but we could barely survive just doing the little bit that just doing the weekend 00:48:18.660 --> 00:48:20.340 and then we very clearly said 00:48:22.660 --> 00:48:30.420 it's the weekend and then what's next and that's where we started to to really focus on rebuilding and 00:48:30.420 --> 00:48:37.060 refocusing on the discipleship process in the community and what that looked like outside of the church 00:48:38.660 --> 00:48:44.180 on sunday morning and so my suggestion to you content creator 00:48:45.940 --> 00:48:57.940 if all you're doing is content ask yourself and then what is it more content is it is it less content 00:48:57.940 --> 00:49:07.780 now this these are our weighted questions well maybe i can be better um i i can i can build relationships 00:49:07.780 --> 00:49:14.980 with with people even just as a content creator probably can yeah you can use tools like instagram 00:49:14.980 --> 00:49:23.140 and uh uh you know facebook maybe and and uh you know tick tock maybe and and yeah x if you're on that 00:49:23.140 --> 00:49:32.260 like you can use those to to create community um can you scale community is is it the most effective ways 00:49:32.260 --> 00:49:38.580 to do that but these are these are questions to ask and to pray through i mean maybe god wants you to 00:49:38.580 --> 00:49:44.820 stay where you are i it's not for me to say what's right and what's not right for you what i do want 00:49:44.820 --> 00:49:54.260 to do is cast vision and maybe share an idea of it's not just about the content but what the content leads 00:49:54.260 --> 00:50:01.860 into it's not just about the sunday morning service physical church people but what that physical church 00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:09.220 service leads leads to it's not just about watching uh church service online but what it leads to it's not 00:50:09.220 --> 00:50:18.900 just about creating uh a series of videos on youtube but what it leads to like whatever that next step 00:50:19.620 --> 00:50:26.820 really is arguably the first thing that's not a vanity metric because people watching content 00:50:27.540 --> 00:50:36.420 people consuming content is a is a vanity metric at best leading consumers to do something beyond just 00:50:36.420 --> 00:50:42.180 consuming content that's the first step that's not vanity that's the first step that's actually 00:50:42.180 --> 00:50:50.660 showing you what ministry can do getting consumers to consume that's easy getting people to do something 00:50:50.660 --> 00:50:58.260 with what they've consumed that's where i think it happens right anybody could could follow jesus 00:50:59.380 --> 00:51:06.980 it was it was being it was trusting jesus enough in luke 6 when he started talking about eat my flesh and 00:51:06.980 --> 00:51:14.900 drink my blood to not run away and then being with him over three years to the point that when all of a 00:51:14.900 --> 00:51:21.220 sudden they started getting crucified oh my gosh did i just jesus juked that i think he did like when jesus 00:51:21.220 --> 00:51:22.820 like it's always drove me nuts 00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:31.140 okay people who believe that the disciples like made all this crap up about jesus yes there was historical jesus 00:51:31.140 --> 00:51:35.700 yes he died we're coming off of easter but he didn't rise up the disciples faked that 00:51:37.620 --> 00:51:48.260 why like what did they benefit but to die to be martyred down the road why would they not just run away 00:51:50.500 --> 00:51:57.540 jesus in the three years that he had access to them established trust built relationships and 00:51:57.540 --> 00:52:07.540 discipled them in community i mean when when jesus said hey go walk down this this road go visit this 00:52:07.540 --> 00:52:14.660 town and don't go by yourself always take someone with you why community because community be you know you 00:52:14.660 --> 00:52:25.940 and god sure can god speak via nature itself yeah paul says so um can can god use two or more gathered 00:52:27.060 --> 00:52:37.540 yes three or more gathered yes and so that's the challenge for you today is look at what your 00:52:38.180 --> 00:52:47.620 ministry focus is do you consider yourself a a content creator do you consider yourself a community 00:52:47.620 --> 00:52:56.260 builder are you more of a teacher equipper are you a mobilizer somebody that wants to empower others to do 00:52:56.580 --> 00:53:04.340 whatever your ministry whatever your different role and purpose is i would suggest to you that you need 00:53:04.340 --> 00:53:12.660 all four of the framework all four of the flywheel connect community equip mobilize you need all of that 00:53:12.660 --> 00:53:20.500 represented in order to be effective in in in doing ministry especially in church and in missionary space 00:53:20.500 --> 00:53:28.260 and and if you're just playing a part of that well then maybe you need to work and partner with someone who can 00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:30.260 help you fill in the rest of those gaps 00:53:31.300 --> 00:53:39.460 a an equipper that's at at a digital church that doesn't have connecting community well that church is going to struggle 00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:48.020 because any an equipper doesn't have a front door that's going to generate the leads the people to come in 00:53:48.020 --> 00:53:54.740 can the holy spirit do something in that situation of course but does that mean we should put all all 00:53:54.740 --> 00:54:01.460 the eggs on that and if the answer is yes then you pray like you've never prayed before and you fast like 00:54:01.460 --> 00:54:06.580 you've never fasted before and call for god to to create divine appointments in your life 00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:16.900 but maybe instead of just scattering seeds maybe we could aim and scatter seeds maybe we could collaborate 00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:24.180 and scatter seeds maybe we could work together and be more efficient scattering seeds what i'm suggesting is 00:54:24.180 --> 00:54:28.020 not the antithesis of of of the holy spirit i actually i think 00:54:28.820 --> 00:54:36.980 even we're two or more gathered in in our context as leaders i think god is glorified when we work together for his purposes 00:54:40.180 --> 00:54:46.100 that's the stream for today uh i hope it's been fun i've i've enjoyed spending this time with you today it's been a good 00:54:46.100 --> 00:54:53.300 good conversation i've got a meeting going up in just one or two minutes actually i think steve reed i'm 00:54:53.300 --> 00:54:59.780 on with you here in a little bit but we're gonna wrap uh and so for me it's been me it's jeff with the church 00:54:59.780 --> 00:55:08.180 digital wrapping up on this podcast on the stream today do not forget we have our town hall meeting 00:55:09.060 --> 00:55:20.580 tuesday may 20th two weeks away from today tuesday may 20th 1 p.m eastern new york here on uh tcd's 00:55:20.580 --> 00:55:28.820 youtube the church that digital excuse me youtube.com slash the church digital uh we'll provide more 00:55:28.820 --> 00:55:38.580 information on in the days to come thanks for hanging out with us y'all y'all have a good one 00:55:39.060 --> 00:56:09.040 Thank you.