WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.860 all right hey episode 343 343 of the church digital podcast you would think i would lose 00:00:12.860 --> 00:00:18.840 track uh actually this is honest to god truth i have to pull up youtube like five minutes before 00:00:18.840 --> 00:00:23.680 i do any one of these streams because i always forget what number i'm on uh you know i used to 00:00:23.680 --> 00:00:28.140 be able to like you know first couple hundred i could like pull oh yeah that was episode so and so 00:00:28.140 --> 00:00:36.120 we had that conversation and at this point like it all is just jumbled into one very enjoyable but a 00:00:36.120 --> 00:00:41.580 little bit of a mess here hey listen what i'm doing here's where it even gets more complicated we're 00:00:41.580 --> 00:00:47.620 doing two streams this week uh and so looking forward to this conversation uh coming up uh with 00:00:47.620 --> 00:00:55.700 michael just around the corner but just a quick tip tomorrow uh 8 p.m eastern new york wednesday night 00:00:55.700 --> 00:01:03.860 that's uh negative four utc if you're uh globally inclined um we are doing a conversation uh with 00:01:03.860 --> 00:01:12.440 alan hirsch uh maybe the father of the modern church movement alan hirsch is joining us from way the 00:01:12.440 --> 00:01:18.880 crap down in australia alan is a is a friend in support of the digital church network well excuse me 00:01:19.080 --> 00:01:29.180 oh wow talk about a mess that was one of the rare um miss brand firings at digital church network died a 00:01:29.180 --> 00:01:36.220 couple years ago god rest its soul uh dead uh alan hirsch has been a uh a i'm so flustered that i said 00:01:36.220 --> 00:01:41.540 that those words alan hirsch has been a supporter of uh the church digital and digital missionaries like 00:01:41.540 --> 00:01:48.440 you for uh for many years and so we're we're excited to bring him on recently had a conversation uh jesse 00:01:48.440 --> 00:01:55.100 carbo published an article uh talking about the role of digital in incarnational ministry 00:01:55.100 --> 00:02:02.380 incarnational is more like micro church more like network church very physical very relational 00:02:02.380 --> 00:02:12.100 but you know us digital like can be very relational as well and so how does digital fit into a micro church 00:02:12.100 --> 00:02:20.400 a physical relational ministry oh and the flip side of that you know hey alan how can you really be 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:26.400 relational uh using these these digital are you comfortable with that what does that look like 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:31.940 and and no one alan uh it's it's going to be a fun conversation that's going to be wednesday 00:02:31.940 --> 00:02:41.260 8 p.m eastern new york uh that's negative 4 utc uh and he's he's in australia so that's going to be 00:02:41.260 --> 00:02:48.420 thursday odark 30 i think it's like 8 a.m or 9 a.m his time good stuff by the way speaking of that 00:02:48.420 --> 00:02:53.040 we're also going to be sneaking uh releasing sneak peek we're going to be releasing 00:02:53.040 --> 00:03:01.980 the names and the dates of the four digital missionary conferences that we have coming up this fall we're 00:03:01.980 --> 00:03:08.020 doing four summits back to back to back now we had we had previously only announced three of them 00:03:08.020 --> 00:03:16.780 uh we had announced a a uh digital community summit we had announced a gaming summit we had announced a 00:03:16.780 --> 00:03:23.020 i'm trying to think what was the other one i said oh european digital missionary summit uh but i did not 00:03:23.020 --> 00:03:29.400 announce what the fourth one was and so we are going to announce that in the final dates literally 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:33.640 right here around the corner starting uh and so we're going to announce that it's going to be 00:03:33.640 --> 00:03:40.240 happening this fall but tomorrow wednesday 8 p.m eastern new york is when all that is going to become 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:46.320 public and so come hang out get the sneak peek on something uh surrounding the digital missionary 00:03:46.320 --> 00:03:54.040 conference and get uh hear a guy with an incredible aussie accent tell you what he thinks about digital 00:03:54.040 --> 00:03:59.220 missions i mean it's it's a it's a win-win all around hey you know and i'm loving some of this 00:03:59.220 --> 00:04:05.500 stuff that i'm seeing already uh in chat uh david johnson global media outreach always love our 00:04:05.500 --> 00:04:14.320 friends over at gmo uh is is saying hello mr pete is doing once again his check-in um in uh he mr p broadcast 00:04:14.320 --> 00:04:21.200 this in the vr so we've got an entire entirely separate audience watching in uh big screen right 00:04:21.200 --> 00:04:27.560 now it's always a pleasure mr pete thank you uh ritesh i'm probably mispronouncing that i apologize 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:37.180 ritesh uh literally joined discord maybe five minutes before uh this stream and uh he immediately 00:04:37.180 --> 00:04:43.180 went from discord and jumped on the stream so it's it's it's good to see him pastor d it's always a 00:04:43.180 --> 00:04:51.120 pleasure to to see you as as well uh and pastor d says so we know you still have a heart for the digital 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:56.820 church yes the digital church very much so as a matter of fact already had some meetings there was 00:04:56.820 --> 00:05:01.080 something side note we'll have to come back that's i don't want to i don't go down that 00:05:01.080 --> 00:05:08.860 pastor d stop trying to distract me you don't do it um i i can go down rabbit trails all day long 00:05:08.860 --> 00:05:14.760 with that comment right there but so i'm not going to and i'm gonna save it just say the church digital 00:05:14.760 --> 00:05:21.840 um has a heart for digital churches and we're we're working on something i mean you know me i'm always 00:05:21.840 --> 00:05:26.320 working on something but i'm working on something here that that i think will be worthwhile 00:05:26.320 --> 00:05:31.580 for this and but right now here uh we're the other thing i can never keep track of is seasons 00:05:31.580 --> 00:05:42.080 we're in season 13 i think um uh that that i'm calling uh empowering partners uh and no 00:05:42.080 --> 00:05:49.420 equipping partners and empowering tools this is why you write stuff down i didn't write anything down 00:05:49.420 --> 00:05:53.960 can you tell hey it's called uh it's called equipping partners and empowering tools really 00:05:53.960 --> 00:06:02.880 highlighting ministry uh solutions software solutions hardware solutions that are in place that can help 00:06:02.880 --> 00:06:11.020 people like you do digital missions at a global scale last last week we had an incredible conversation 00:06:11.020 --> 00:06:20.880 uh about about about a tool that's been used to reach millions of gen a gen z i forget that the stats but it was like 10 million 00:06:20.880 --> 00:06:29.120 gen a gen z last year it was ridiculous uh some of the things and it's freely available for for missionaries like 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:36.980 us to to use moving forward you have to go back and listen to last week 3 42 you want to get into that uh with that conversation 00:06:36.980 --> 00:06:45.080 there um talking about that but this week uh i'm i am excited to bring on a michael from church apps into the conversation 00:06:45.080 --> 00:06:55.440 because we're talking about some open source software that i think is really going to help elevate uh the the quality of ministry 00:06:55.440 --> 00:07:02.440 that's going to be that can be done at a at a you know at a big level for no money it's crazy 00:07:02.440 --> 00:07:06.200 hey michael how you doing doing good hey thanks for having me jeff 00:07:06.200 --> 00:07:09.880 i don't think i've ever heard you go on the rabbit trail 00:07:09.880 --> 00:07:13.880 oh my gosh you haven't been listening to much of my stuff that i live on the rabbit trail 00:07:13.880 --> 00:07:19.500 i i set up house on on a rabbit trail there's little rabbits bunnies jumping all over no i'm kidding once 00:07:19.500 --> 00:07:27.280 again rabbit trail stop it michael uh man it's it's so so good i i'm i'm excited looking forward uh to 00:07:27.280 --> 00:07:33.820 this conversation as we're going to dig into to church apps uh and uh and hopefully get some some 00:07:33.820 --> 00:07:39.480 missionaries connected to what to what you're doing by the way throughout this anybody that's watching 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:47.060 live uh feel free to throw any questions or thoughts into the comments into the uh the yeah the comments 00:07:47.060 --> 00:07:53.120 and uh we'll we'll reference it and put it up uh yes because we love to interact with y'all in in real 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:58.040 time if you are watching on demand feel free to throw the comments and questions in there as well 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:03.780 uh i'll try to interact uh with them i'm usually pretty good about interacting with youtube in real 00:08:03.780 --> 00:08:11.300 time but michael you know let's let's kick it off a little bit here um tell us a little bit about 00:08:11.300 --> 00:08:19.160 what church apps is yeah absolutely so um church apps is completely free ministry solutions for churches 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:28.300 um our our tagline on our page is ministry is hard we make it easier um so i've been in ministry for 00:08:28.300 --> 00:08:36.580 um over 20 years and um one thing that is for sure as the years have gone by more and more ministry 00:08:36.580 --> 00:08:42.220 tools have i've been there like i'm i'm gonna use this now we're gonna use this and really our lives 00:08:42.220 --> 00:08:47.460 too um as i got older and older i mean before i remember not having a cell phone now we have a cell 00:08:47.460 --> 00:08:53.860 phone now you just keep adding more and more things on um and in the church world it seems like um the 00:08:53.860 --> 00:08:59.460 cost of those things keep adding up and there there's a lot of expensive tools out there that were making 00:08:59.460 --> 00:09:08.260 ministry um really awesome and they those tools are doing an amazing job uh but the open source front we 00:09:08.260 --> 00:09:16.180 didn't see a lot of and um to be honest like a lot of tools start out a hundred percent free for 00:09:16.180 --> 00:09:21.620 churches i have seen uh these tools that have been great and like they're pretty small but then when 00:09:21.620 --> 00:09:27.940 they go to scale um and more and more churches jump on and i don't blame the people that are behind 00:09:27.940 --> 00:09:33.380 them like hey we're gonna have to go to a pay model because the server space is costing us so much or 00:09:33.380 --> 00:09:39.780 we're going to have to um uh just quit developing for it and that's that's what happened with a lot of 00:09:39.780 --> 00:09:47.460 the the cool tools that i saw going up um through church and so uh we decided you know what let's make 00:09:47.460 --> 00:09:52.020 it completely open source it's not just make it free let's make it open source that way it's for the 00:09:52.020 --> 00:09:58.580 community it's for the church instead of being um held by any entity so all of our tools everything 00:09:58.580 --> 00:10:04.020 that i'm going to show you here is a hundred percent open source and it is on github right 00:10:04.020 --> 00:10:10.340 now you can go download the code and use it um to to hopefully bring more people to christ 00:10:11.940 --> 00:10:21.860 yeah first off it it's so rare to find anybody that would give like open source stuff away in in the 00:10:21.860 --> 00:10:29.220 church space like for free um like this is this is really it's really impactful like i you know i 00:10:29.220 --> 00:10:38.740 i used to work for a uh a crm um a church uh chms a church database company literally the company was 00:10:38.740 --> 00:10:47.860 valued at a billion dollars like like someone had acquired the company uh for a billion dollar check 00:10:47.860 --> 00:10:57.940 uh a couple years ago and and and and you're providing a similar solution for nothing like i 00:10:57.940 --> 00:11:03.380 mean just i almost like want to pause we'll get into some of the the features and and what it looks 00:11:03.380 --> 00:11:11.220 like and and what types of tools you have within your suite but why are you giving this away like like 00:11:11.220 --> 00:11:17.540 from a financial standpoint it doesn't necessarily make sense but you're you're doing it so talk talk to me 00:11:17.540 --> 00:11:26.500 a little bit about that yeah so the the why is huge and um when we kind of look through the bible and we 00:11:26.500 --> 00:11:33.860 you know look at acts four where this um this community of churches had sprung up and obviously 00:11:33.860 --> 00:11:38.900 um that from that community is why we're sitting here today i mean churches were we're starting true 00:11:38.900 --> 00:11:45.380 and it was going amazing and in there it talks about hey if anybody had any need then they were able to 00:11:46.420 --> 00:11:52.340 give to one another to be able to do that and we thought man is that possible in the digital space 00:11:52.900 --> 00:12:00.820 um and that's what open source is i mean it is completely possible and the fact that and i always 00:12:00.820 --> 00:12:05.780 looked at the church like this um you know the capital c church i'm not talking about different 00:12:05.780 --> 00:12:12.420 denomination the capital c church you love jesus here we are and we're trying to serve him the very best we 00:12:12.420 --> 00:12:18.340 can we are the biggest organization in the world there's no organization that's bigger than the 00:12:18.340 --> 00:12:27.860 capital c church um but we don't share tools i mean for the most part one big church and it's not that 00:12:27.860 --> 00:12:32.660 they don't have the heart for it a lot of bigger churches want to help smaller churches and if you ask 00:12:32.660 --> 00:12:38.020 them if you are a small church and you call a big church i mean they'll say yeah come on in and anything we 00:12:38.020 --> 00:12:44.980 have we're you know we'll help you out with but as a global church uh we can do that digitally now so 00:12:45.540 --> 00:12:51.540 let's let's set the ground and do it and so that's that's why we started it and from from the very 00:12:51.540 --> 00:12:59.380 beginning um there was no there's not going to be a cost of this because we want the church um that has 00:12:59.380 --> 00:13:05.300 zero dollars to be able to to to jump in and be able to use it and we want the church that has millions of 00:13:05.300 --> 00:13:11.220 dollars um that they can invest towards it to be able to jump in and use it and we want those tools 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:18.980 to be the absolute best and we figure if every if the biggest organization in the world we pull all the 00:13:18.980 --> 00:13:26.580 coders um that are in that big organization into one place we can make something phenomenal um and it's 00:13:26.580 --> 00:13:36.020 amazing we're seeing god do it um so it's a huge is a huge um god-sized uh goal um plan like let's try it 00:13:36.020 --> 00:13:41.540 and and god has been there and really taking it and keeps taking it bigger and bigger and bigger 00:13:41.540 --> 00:13:48.340 um nothing that we could do only only what he could do yeah love that well you you probably got 00:13:48.980 --> 00:13:55.940 some uh more on the side of zero dollars than the million dollars that that that are going to be 00:13:55.940 --> 00:14:02.020 watching this stream in this podcast but you know we do have friends on both sides uh with i am i'm 00:14:02.020 --> 00:14:10.180 looking looking forward to this so talk to us a little bit here about what types of of of software 00:14:10.180 --> 00:14:16.980 what what types of tools do you have within the the church app suite yeah and i had to i had to be 00:14:16.980 --> 00:14:22.660 careful because i can talk for hours and hours about how much that we have so i'm going to start with the 00:14:22.660 --> 00:14:28.900 the one tool um that's kind of uh outside of the rest of the tools but still interacts with it it's 00:14:28.900 --> 00:14:35.300 because it's a desktop tool so probably everybody is familiar with pro presenter which is a great 00:14:35.300 --> 00:14:42.980 program um but not every church is able to afford that and so we have a program called free show and free 00:14:42.980 --> 00:14:53.060 show is does everything that pro presenter will do it is a great way to be able to show the lyrics on any 00:14:53.060 --> 00:15:01.220 screen it's a great way if you're a digital missionary to set up a lesson and run through a slide deck if 00:15:01.220 --> 00:15:08.340 you needed to you can use free show it has ndi it integrates perfectly with obs it has a way that you can 00:15:08.340 --> 00:15:14.100 search through uh all the worship songs pick out the worship song you need just throw it in and and go 00:15:14.740 --> 00:15:21.540 you can bring xml bibles into it so you can um have scripture reading um it is connected to 00:15:22.260 --> 00:15:28.820 pretty much uh more than i know and the the community keeps coming up with more and more things i'm like 00:15:28.820 --> 00:15:35.300 holy cow this this thing can do so much which pro presenter can too um i was in children's ministry a lot 00:15:35.300 --> 00:15:40.660 and we use pro presenter in a very uh finite way that you know we just kind of make a playlist throw 00:15:40.660 --> 00:15:45.860 all the videos we need in there and then go through the videos well free show can do that um and 00:15:45.860 --> 00:15:52.020 but a pro presenter can do so much more and free show can do so much more so worth taking a dive into 00:15:52.020 --> 00:15:56.020 you know it's it's funny i was i was part of the team this is like in the way back machine i was 00:15:56.020 --> 00:16:03.620 actually part of the team that designed pro presenter three um yeah what are they on like 17 now like i 00:16:03.620 --> 00:16:13.380 said this is like decades ago but um when early early on we had more uh more at venues my church had 00:16:13.380 --> 00:16:18.900 more venues this is early multi-site days too we had more venues running pro presenter than any other 00:16:18.900 --> 00:16:26.100 church in the country and uh like it was just pro presenter was so volunteer friendly which really 00:16:26.100 --> 00:16:32.260 and pro presenter if you're not in church venue space powerpoint easy worship google like google 00:16:32.260 --> 00:16:38.660 slides but for worship like there's you know a lot of that's that's tied into it um getting some 00:16:38.660 --> 00:16:45.060 interesting questions kind of coming coming from the room a little bit um is is it is it um first 00:16:45.060 --> 00:16:50.020 off we'd love to talk about volunteer friendly because a lot of times the presentation software 00:16:50.020 --> 00:16:55.140 that that's a big part of that what does that look like does it run on an ipad or does it require 00:16:55.140 --> 00:17:01.940 a desktop you know maybe maybe some some in that space yeah so it um the program itself is going to 00:17:01.940 --> 00:17:09.540 run on any desktop it'll run on macintosh windows or linux runs on all three um now you can access it 00:17:09.540 --> 00:17:16.100 through the ipad um basically by going into settings and then using it an ipad to go through your slides 00:17:16.100 --> 00:17:24.340 um it's pretty cool how it's set up you just um scan a qr code and then it gives you a web address 00:17:24.340 --> 00:17:30.020 and then it connects straight to free show so free shows a server and then the ipad would be the client 00:17:30.020 --> 00:17:36.260 that moves everything around you can use that to advance and stuff like that so there's not an ipad app 00:17:36.260 --> 00:17:41.780 but it all works to the browser which um kind of a cool since we're talking to the techie crowd too 00:17:41.780 --> 00:17:49.140 here if you wanted to um you can use the ipad as your stage monitor and so everything runs on html 00:17:49.700 --> 00:17:56.580 um so basically just have a good connection and then you can uh have a stage monitor that is your ipad so 00:17:57.460 --> 00:18:04.740 and that way uh definitely will work uh with the ipad but well i mean you you had me at ndi so thank 00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:11.780 thank you for that uh once again the the the the million dollar people are yes like that some of 00:18:11.780 --> 00:18:17.700 the digital missionaries may not be able to totally grasp that but definitely it's a powerful tool that 00:18:17.700 --> 00:18:25.060 can play both both sides of the equation um and and like if somebody wanted to like go to a website to 00:18:25.060 --> 00:18:30.420 to all of your software you know we're going to talk about some of the others but where do they go to 00:18:30.420 --> 00:18:36.100 like find out more about uh the show software some of the others yeah absolutely so you can go to 00:18:36.100 --> 00:18:42.500 churchapps.org um if you go there and list all of our software but for free show if you just want to go to 00:18:42.500 --> 00:18:48.420 a free show it's free show.app um and then when we get into the other ones chums.org they all have 00:18:48.420 --> 00:18:54.820 their own domains but everything you can find at churchapps.org yeah i i i am looking forward to 00:18:54.820 --> 00:19:01.700 talking about chums i just love the fact that you bought chums.org as a domain name like making up 00:19:01.700 --> 00:19:07.300 your own language man that's that's just beautiful all right uh so so we talked about about the show 00:19:07.300 --> 00:19:12.820 what what other uh what what's next we're gonna talk about next what other software do you have 00:19:12.820 --> 00:19:19.460 yeah so let's just jump right into chums so chums is kind of the database the the central of 00:19:19.460 --> 00:19:25.780 everything that we have um even into free shows so you can you can uh so chums is a church management 00:19:25.780 --> 00:19:34.500 software um and so you could set up let's say um a sunday morning service or or whatever you wanted to 00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:39.700 in chums and then it connects to free show and then all the songs will show up into free show 00:19:39.700 --> 00:19:43.940 uh free show also connects to planning center so you could if you're using planning center then you can 00:19:43.940 --> 00:19:51.540 do that but planning center and chums are pretty pretty similar and and what they do um so chums is 00:19:51.540 --> 00:19:58.420 where you would bring in all the people of the church and it doesn't matter um if your people are 00:20:00.260 --> 00:20:06.340 let's say in a physical church or even in a digital space um you still probably need records of who's 00:20:06.340 --> 00:20:11.300 coming to the church and then how can i follow up with them and from those records you can leave notes 00:20:11.300 --> 00:20:16.580 on those records so you can kind of see what's going on but you can create a member directory um when you 00:20:16.580 --> 00:20:23.060 bring people in it automatically makes a member directory um and then you can tie attendance you 00:20:23.060 --> 00:20:28.260 know how many times have they come and then they can check in with the app that we have um so that 00:20:28.260 --> 00:20:35.460 that automatically goes in um and then it has inside there is where you'll set up your giving for our 00:20:35.460 --> 00:20:42.500 giving platform and so you can connect uh chums directly to stripe right now and um that way you'll have a 00:20:42.500 --> 00:20:49.220 portal to anybody that wanted to give to your ministry can give um and then you also i'm trying to go 00:20:49.220 --> 00:20:57.380 through them all people attendance and forms and so forms is pretty cool um so just like it sounds any 00:20:57.380 --> 00:21:03.140 kind of form that you wanted to set up um if you needed a form for kids going to camp or you needed a 00:21:03.140 --> 00:21:08.580 form for people signing up to go to an event and even if you needed to tack on let's say a payment for 00:21:08.580 --> 00:21:15.220 the camp then you can put that in that form and then you can host it on um our website uh your website 00:21:15.220 --> 00:21:23.300 for your church and all those are controlled within there so it brings data in to to chums so see if 00:21:23.300 --> 00:21:29.540 you're going to use church app stuff man chums is a great place to get started to to have everything 00:21:29.540 --> 00:21:34.660 there because it's probably all going to lead back at some point you're going to need chums because it is 00:21:34.660 --> 00:21:42.100 the database of the church yeah you know it's interesting i maybe maybe four months back three 00:21:42.100 --> 00:21:48.900 or four months back i i was on uh i was in one of our one of my communities one of whatsapp or discord 00:21:48.900 --> 00:21:54.340 and i was like hey where do you all store your data i just like a poll open air question trying to see 00:21:54.340 --> 00:22:00.180 what what what people were saying so i was curious like what what they were using and uh the general 00:22:00.180 --> 00:22:08.260 consensus was they stored information on their iphone like in the in the address book and um 00:22:08.820 --> 00:22:15.140 that's when i was like you know missionaries yeah they're they're on a budget but they we haven't 00:22:15.140 --> 00:22:21.460 figured out scalability yet like okay we're going to store that email address and that phone number in 00:22:21.460 --> 00:22:27.220 person one's you like phone uh phone book on their phone but now you're going to you know work with 00:22:27.220 --> 00:22:33.220 person two or person three and you want to share that data like you're you're you're you're limited 00:22:33.220 --> 00:22:39.140 you're boxed in because you're not not thinking large enough and solutions like chums where now you've 00:22:39.140 --> 00:22:47.220 got the ability to uh to centralize that data in a in a cloud server access it via web browser and then 00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:52.580 share that information uh among each among the volunteers of the people you're working with 00:22:53.140 --> 00:23:01.620 like that's a that's an incredible uh opportunity to allow more scalability to uh to allow you to to 00:23:01.620 --> 00:23:08.260 extend beyond the the ministry of more than just what what one person can do and so you know to have 00:23:08.260 --> 00:23:15.860 uh um you know i don't know if you know crm is in the business world uh chms is in the church world 00:23:15.860 --> 00:23:20.980 which is why i love chums so much it's like you kind of like you're built on chms the church 00:23:20.980 --> 00:23:29.300 management software idea um you know what whatever abbreviation you want to go with the the fact that 00:23:29.300 --> 00:23:35.620 you're centralizing that data making it available for others like it's it's a it's a beautiful um 00:23:36.340 --> 00:23:43.780 opportunity now i know you're you're open source uh with this like if if i wanted to integrate 00:23:44.500 --> 00:23:51.060 the form into something else or if i wanted to do something else with it like do i is there how 00:23:51.060 --> 00:23:59.700 would i do integrations um to a uh another tool or to put the form into a nut to tie it into another 00:23:59.700 --> 00:24:05.780 app or to pull data from some other other place like you know i know zapier works or zapier or whatever 00:24:05.780 --> 00:24:12.420 it is works with a lot of the the larger databases how would i do third-party integrations if i was doing 00:24:12.420 --> 00:24:18.020 something like chumps yeah i mean depending on your technical ability you'd be able to go in and 00:24:18.020 --> 00:24:23.940 um if you hosted it yourself especially you could alter the code um to be able to use forms where you 00:24:23.940 --> 00:24:30.820 wanted to use them right now what we do is we have another app called b1 and so you the forms are just 00:24:30.820 --> 00:24:37.460 dropped into there so that would give you a web page and then you could um basically take that web page 00:24:37.460 --> 00:24:43.460 and build it into uh like an iframe onto any other website that you had so you could bring information 00:24:43.460 --> 00:24:48.660 in that that i think that would probably be the easiest right now um one thing that we've tried to 00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:56.740 do uh to keep everything um secure is they're all different apis but they all work together 00:24:57.300 --> 00:25:04.900 um and so i haven't messed around with zapier i've seen zapier can do some crazy stuff and now with mcp 00:25:04.900 --> 00:25:12.020 servers um it can get even crazier i'm sure there's a way that you could make the make the two work but 00:25:12.020 --> 00:25:18.820 i i did want to mention that that um a lot of open source stuff um that we saw in the market uh it was 00:25:18.820 --> 00:25:25.380 it was really great and you could download it spin up your own server and then run it which is usually how 00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:31.060 open source works to be honest with like that's that's the and that's where we're different than 00:25:31.060 --> 00:25:38.980 that and so we actually we host on aws and so um it works just like it would work with any other 00:25:38.980 --> 00:25:47.300 program you go right into chums you make an account and then um it it just works for for your average 00:25:47.300 --> 00:25:52.420 person which is a lot better than trying to spin up your own docker server and get everything running and 00:25:52.420 --> 00:25:56.820 yeah we've done all that now you can still do that if you would like to and run it for your church 00:25:56.820 --> 00:26:05.300 um to run aws is not is not like what everybody wants to do and so and it's definitely cheaper if 00:26:05.300 --> 00:26:10.580 we all come to the same one and then and i mean that's how businesses are able to do it and so that's 00:26:10.580 --> 00:26:16.180 what we do the same uh level of security and everything that you would find from a planning center from a 00:26:16.180 --> 00:26:22.660 breeze from anything we have we're we're running the exact same way yeah uh i mean the fact that you 00:26:22.660 --> 00:26:29.780 don't have to have a data scientist on staff to uh to to set the thing up um and and to to read the 00:26:29.780 --> 00:26:36.580 data from it is a is is a big step i mean you really are merging the idea of the uh open source 00:26:36.580 --> 00:26:42.820 software with uh you know a cloud service because you're you're giving away accounts for free and it's on aws 00:26:42.820 --> 00:26:48.420 hosting i think you just said yeah so it's hosted on amazon for stability and it's like it's a it's a 00:26:48.420 --> 00:26:55.460 it's a really um solid solution what you know i know like even on this call we've got a lot of 00:26:55.460 --> 00:27:05.460 international uh flavor uh multi-language aws amazon warehouse services pastor d um i think stability 00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:16.020 like amazon.com amazon opens up their servers um uh multi-language um what does that look like is that 00:27:16.020 --> 00:27:21.940 current is that on the road map kind of talk to me a little bit there it is there so um i can't remember 00:27:21.940 --> 00:27:27.780 exactly how many languages 119 i think the last time i checked oh is that all why not why not more 00:27:29.620 --> 00:27:37.060 wow 119 pretty much any country you're in you can uh download chums and and find a language that will 00:27:37.060 --> 00:27:43.540 work for you um and it just works because it's a web service you know it's working on what your browser is 00:27:43.540 --> 00:27:51.220 so if your browser is set to chinese then chums and chinese um and so okay that really opened up 00:27:51.220 --> 00:27:57.300 a huge um a door for us that we wanted to be you know the capital c church and so we wanted to be 00:27:57.300 --> 00:28:04.260 global yeah and so that was high priority to get that done once we had a stable product i'm i'm curious how 00:28:04.260 --> 00:28:12.740 much is um you know taking us taking a step back how much of your business how much of your user base 00:28:12.740 --> 00:28:23.540 is global versus you domestic us based yeah um so it is right now um about 60 40 the last time i had 00:28:23.540 --> 00:28:35.220 checked so 60 global and 40 north american um and so we're trying to obviously grow both um as far as we 00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:44.180 can um and then free show a free show has probably been the most lit on fire um with almost 2 million 00:28:44.180 --> 00:28:52.180 downloads at this point um and it has just a ton of users and so that and that is really global honestly 00:28:52.180 --> 00:28:57.060 like i would think pro presenter is probably winning north america i mean most people are using pro 00:28:57.060 --> 00:29:03.540 presenter because it's just it's the best um but for a long time there hasn't been a great option for 00:29:03.540 --> 00:29:10.740 um churches to say in third world countries um and free show is is meeting that because everybody 00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:15.780 needs presentation software so it's probably where a lot of our numbers are coming from um but we're 00:29:15.780 --> 00:29:23.060 seeing we're seeing that uptick a lot um a lot of uh you know we we do full support too and so 00:29:23.060 --> 00:29:27.380 you know you have a question you have something that's going on we want to hear from you and and 00:29:27.380 --> 00:29:32.980 we talk from people talk to people from india uh seems like india has been calling in a lot a lot of 00:29:32.980 --> 00:29:43.140 churches uh jumping up in india which is amazing um and so and just a lot of asia um that and australia 00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:50.900 um pretty much everywhere yeah yeah yeah we aside we've seen a lot of asia um a lot of africa 00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:57.060 it's a lot a lot of africa i think on the stream today uh as well and so good good good good all right 00:29:57.060 --> 00:30:02.900 so we've talked about free show free show is the presentation software and and we've we've talked 00:30:02.900 --> 00:30:13.140 about chums c-h-u-m-s uh which is the the crm the church manager the database uh and so these are 00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:22.740 are the user database these are the two um by the way uh do you have i maybe you said it chums do you 00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:31.380 have like mass email tools communication tools built into that that database as well yes so um 00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:37.620 basically what you do is set up groups and then from those groups you can uh send out notifications 00:30:37.620 --> 00:30:44.820 um or emails and so we do not do text because there's not a free text service out there right now 00:30:45.460 --> 00:30:52.020 um it's just not there but um when you download the app there's a b1 app on an iphone or android 00:30:52.020 --> 00:30:57.780 you allow for notifications once you allow for notifications whenever you send one out to that 00:30:57.780 --> 00:31:03.700 group it is small ding and then you can chat with them right there um so you can you can do the chat 00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:10.180 or you can and send out like that um so it's not quite like a having a crm you know that's a hubspot 00:31:10.180 --> 00:31:15.460 or something that's going to send out automated emails or anything like that but it is hey we're going 00:31:15.460 --> 00:31:20.260 to put it on the calendar and we want everybody to know that the next meeting is coming up here 00:31:21.300 --> 00:31:25.380 let's say you've got five people on your worship team you want to make sure that they're going to 00:31:25.380 --> 00:31:30.180 serve all right they're in the plan it automatically sends out an alert that says hey do you accept or 00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:34.580 decline when they decline it comes back to you so that you can find somebody else to play the base 00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:42.180 so yeah so if you needed to get a hey troy troy checking in of course um so if you want if we were 00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:46.980 offline we were talking about you like at what point troy you're going to actually show up to to say hey 00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:53.140 um so i mean worst case scenario if you are looking for that mass communications uh tool 00:31:53.700 --> 00:32:00.660 you know figuring out how to integrate in that database into like a mailchimp or something like 00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:07.060 that um you know and uh if you were wanting to text there i mean there's there's so many of those 00:32:07.060 --> 00:32:13.220 texting tools that are out there but they they cost and and that's it's one of the deals like i have 00:32:13.220 --> 00:32:18.100 personally i have a love-hate relationship with text messaging because of that i would you know 00:32:18.100 --> 00:32:25.620 app push notifications is is a much better uh solution or integrate this over to uh to like 00:32:25.620 --> 00:32:32.340 whatsapp and use whatsapp for the the notifications uh things you lit up when i said whatsapp do you do 00:32:32.340 --> 00:32:38.420 do you have like an integration or people that are tied into whatsapp yeah um i think that's a great 00:32:38.420 --> 00:32:44.420 idea it's something that has not happened yet um but you know i mean that's why it's open source we want 00:32:44.420 --> 00:32:49.780 people uh even on this channel that might hear it and say man that i'm gonna go after that um because 00:32:49.780 --> 00:32:57.220 we i think that would especially worldwide whatsapp seems to be bigger than um even text message like i'm 00:32:57.220 --> 00:33:02.180 you know old school text message i don't know why it's just what i do but everywhere else it seems 00:33:02.180 --> 00:33:09.620 like whatsapp is is what's up yeah what's happens what's up uh well well done well played yeah i mean 00:33:09.620 --> 00:33:15.140 there's there's two billion users on the planet who have whatsapp installed on their phone currently 00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:23.060 active users uh and so we uh there's a there's a lot of use base in that so um it's interesting we may 00:33:23.060 --> 00:33:31.060 have to to look into that um okay so we we've talked about uh pre-show no free show we've talked 00:33:31.060 --> 00:33:37.780 about free show and we we've we've talked about chums um and both of these are available information 00:33:37.780 --> 00:33:43.860 is available at churchapps.org uh but what's uh what's the third tool we're going to talk about 00:33:43.860 --> 00:33:50.980 today yeah so we're going to talk about b1 and uh b1.church is the actual website that you can go to 00:33:50.980 --> 00:33:57.220 and what the tool is called and the idea is that we should be one church right and so this this makes 00:33:57.220 --> 00:34:03.380 a little more sense um uh as far as naming goes a lot of people don't get chums i'm glad that you did 00:34:03.380 --> 00:34:13.220 jeff but only the the true techies and church techies at that really get that um so uh b1.church does 00:34:13.220 --> 00:34:18.340 several things one of the first things that it does really well is if you were go to churchapps.org 00:34:18.340 --> 00:34:25.060 that entire site was built with b1.church so it's a website builder and the nice thing about building 00:34:25.060 --> 00:34:32.020 your website within our software is then everything works seamlessly with chums so those forms we were 00:34:32.020 --> 00:34:37.220 talking about um you just have a box you click it and then you've got a form for your website so the 00:34:37.220 --> 00:34:44.580 website um is specific to churches um so there's there's great things that are built just for churches i was 00:34:44.580 --> 00:34:49.860 talking about those small groups so let's say you make groups that you're going to send messages to 00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:55.540 well every time you make a group it automatically spins up another page for you so that you have a page 00:34:55.540 --> 00:35:05.060 for that group um and smart things like that and and every uh website um basically every member of the 00:35:05.060 --> 00:35:11.780 church that signs up has then their own portal and that portal is to where they can log in and they 00:35:11.780 --> 00:35:16.500 can do their donations so they can give see how much they've given download the receipt if they 00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:22.340 want to um at the end of the year or anytime they want to see it it's there but it also is going to 00:35:22.340 --> 00:35:28.260 provide a feed and that feed is going to be specific to what they want so let's say you've got a family 00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:34.260 that's got a fifth grader and a preschooler you really don't want to hear anything about what's 00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:38.260 going on in the high school well automatically you're going to be opted out of those but if you 00:35:38.260 --> 00:35:43.540 checked your child in which is something else chums does has its own check-in system to the fifth grade 00:35:43.540 --> 00:35:48.740 class then you're going to get everything that comes across for fifth graders um and i'm just using 00:35:48.740 --> 00:35:54.100 that as an example you can you can separate that out however you want to you know i mean we could take it 00:35:54.100 --> 00:35:59.220 into gamers and you could have groups for hey these are uh the gamers that are playing these certain 00:35:59.220 --> 00:36:04.260 games and we're putting them each into the group they're only going to see the information that is 00:36:04.260 --> 00:36:11.620 related to to those games on on that uh portal and so b1 that's the first thing is a website builder 00:36:11.620 --> 00:36:20.340 um and then it has an app builder too so basically um in the same way um you have your website you also 00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:26.820 have an app and the app you can go download it now and if you want to see kind of a test church we use 00:36:26.820 --> 00:36:33.380 ironwood christian church as a test um and but you would search on there your church and once you 00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:39.540 made an account um then you could search the actual actual name of your church now if you name your 00:36:39.540 --> 00:36:44.500 church first christian church you're going to be in a world of hurt i'll tell you because there's 00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:52.980 a ton of first christian churches or first baptist or whatever it is so um that's been a problem so 00:36:52.980 --> 00:37:00.260 make sure to name it something that is specific to um your church but then once you select that church 00:37:00.260 --> 00:37:05.700 you do it one time now the app is set up just for your church you can log into the app and that's 00:37:05.700 --> 00:37:11.860 where you'll see things like um if you're a teacher for that fifth grade class then you're going to 00:37:11.860 --> 00:37:17.300 automatically see all the lessons and if you're using our other site which is lessons.church to run 00:37:17.300 --> 00:37:21.620 your lessons all the lessons are going to be in there for you to look over before you get into the 00:37:21.620 --> 00:37:27.220 classroom and then if you're a parent of that fifth grader the week after that lesson shows up in 00:37:27.220 --> 00:37:32.820 the app you'll see that lesson so if you miss sunday you can watch it right there um and so 00:37:32.820 --> 00:37:40.100 it's very specific we're trying to build a software and a system that doesn't just flood you with 00:37:40.100 --> 00:37:45.860 information we only want what's going to be relevant to you i mean it's the same thing that facebook and 00:37:45.860 --> 00:37:50.660 everybody else is doing and so that's that's kind of what we're following is just hey this is the very 00:37:50.660 --> 00:37:55.300 relevant information for you and if you want to opt out of it then you can opt out of it and you won't 00:37:55.300 --> 00:38:02.900 see it in your feed um so that's the app portion of b1 and then um in b1 is also the calendar so you 00:38:02.900 --> 00:38:08.180 can set up a calendar and this is all the events that are going on the church that's gonna seamlessly 00:38:08.180 --> 00:38:14.500 work into everything else and then sermons so um one thing that happens pretty much in every church 00:38:15.060 --> 00:38:20.420 is every sunday there's a sermon that preacher gets up and preaching that's some great content 00:38:20.420 --> 00:38:28.180 um and now most everybody's recording those um and they're on youtube somewhere you can go look 00:38:28.180 --> 00:38:33.300 them up well we want people going to your site um to find them instead of youtube and so we made it 00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:40.020 very super simple one you can do a bulk import so you just put your channel id in every sermon 00:38:40.020 --> 00:38:44.820 every video you have will come right in go into playlist drops right into your website so it's 00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:50.580 nice and clean um the second thing is on your live stream you can set it up to where it happens every 00:38:50.580 --> 00:38:57.460 week that way after the sermon is done it automatically archives to the site and so you don't have to do 00:38:57.460 --> 00:39:03.860 anything you just set it up once and it's done and um so sermons also includes live stream and our 00:39:03.860 --> 00:39:09.140 live stream is pretty cool we have a block in our website where you can take a block and drop it over 00:39:09.140 --> 00:39:14.580 any page that you want call it live stream it has an option to hide it if you're not live but 00:39:14.580 --> 00:39:22.580 when you're live then it takes over the page yeah and so um that's all set up in b1 um and you can 00:39:22.580 --> 00:39:28.180 you you really have to have chums but it doesn't matter when you when you sign up for chums or b1 or 00:39:28.180 --> 00:39:33.700 lessons.church it signs you up to all the apps and within the web interface you can switch from app to 00:39:33.700 --> 00:39:39.060 app you know what here i got my friend pastor d saying keep talking a few more features and i might 00:39:39.060 --> 00:39:45.620 be switching and saving my congregation 200 a month um and you know it's funny pastor d i was actually 00:39:45.620 --> 00:39:52.580 thinking about you as as we i was talking with him historically you know what um let's let's go and 00:39:52.580 --> 00:40:01.060 do this let's go ahead and screen share a little bit because b1 you like the power is seeing it and i would 00:40:01.060 --> 00:40:05.460 love if you want maybe i don't know what website you want to walk through maybe start to walk through 00:40:05.460 --> 00:40:09.780 the website some of the features and and what that would look like so let me go ahead and press my 00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:15.940 magic button and uh yeah you should you should be good so uh okay yeah go ahead i see that we're 00:40:15.940 --> 00:40:22.900 we're on um chums right here and so i i would suggest anybody if you want to just kind of try it out 00:40:22.900 --> 00:40:28.900 you can try out chums just by jumping into the demo and then looking through and we've got a bunch of 00:40:28.900 --> 00:40:38.820 fake uh information in here and so um obviously you can edit all the information um and here's where 00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:44.500 the donations are so if they had given anything then it would show up here this is their attendance so 00:40:44.500 --> 00:40:52.260 that's people um and if we go to settings there's something that's pretty cool about um chums one is 00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:59.940 forms you can create forms hey um i i think you're clicking let's back up i think you're clicking but 00:40:59.940 --> 00:41:06.180 we're not seeing i'm on the wrong one there we go there you go so there's people no it's it's you know 00:41:06.180 --> 00:41:10.980 what it's you're sharing the tab and it's opening a new tab or it's a module that's for some reason 00:41:10.980 --> 00:41:19.620 it's i'm not seeing it um let me let me try this maybe share a browser yeah i'm seeing that okay 00:41:19.620 --> 00:41:26.740 there we go sorry about that all right so there's the attendance i was talking about um there's a 00:41:26.740 --> 00:41:33.380 groups so you can see that carol clark here is not in any groups if i wanted to edit her and just go in 00:41:33.940 --> 00:41:42.020 edit all the information really just like any other church uh management system and then um if we go to 00:41:42.020 --> 00:41:48.420 serving this is where you set up your ministries so there's worship and like we've got the march 00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:54.580 schedules right here it's coming up and we click on there and these are all the people that are needed 00:41:54.580 --> 00:42:00.020 so we still need a person for hospitality greeter if i click on a person i can just add them in 00:42:00.900 --> 00:42:07.460 and then um right here we can notify them and that's where you're talking about the uh notifications 00:42:07.460 --> 00:42:12.260 you just hit notify the volunteers and then it would notify obviously this is the test one so it's not 00:42:12.260 --> 00:42:19.620 going to notify them um and then settings this is pretty cool um and from what i know the only 00:42:20.340 --> 00:42:27.620 uh church management system that does this so um you can import export so you can import anything from 00:42:27.620 --> 00:42:35.300 planting set planning center or breeze right into chums or you can take it out of uh chums and go to 00:42:35.300 --> 00:42:42.900 planning center or breeze and you can also do csv so if you have a different um uh church management 00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:49.860 software then you can export everything out csv and then import them right here and then rolls um this 00:42:49.860 --> 00:42:56.020 is your permissions and so if you have someone that's doing all the accounting then we could set up 00:42:56.020 --> 00:43:04.420 accounting and then add that person that we want to be the account uh just by searching see if oh there's 00:43:04.420 --> 00:43:11.140 not a mic in there um but if they were there we just add them so roles is important because um you 00:43:11.140 --> 00:43:17.460 don't want everybody seeing all the donations and so you can basically put out which ones you want which 00:43:17.460 --> 00:43:24.100 ones you don't if you accidentally name your church go ahead yeah yeah i mean this this is this is beautiful 00:43:24.100 --> 00:43:34.980 um we've got a lot of video visual type people on here um show a little bit on the uh the sermons 00:43:34.980 --> 00:43:44.580 the streaming uh some of that that functionality is is the streaming based on um is it streaming youtube like how what 00:43:44.580 --> 00:43:53.460 video um distribution system is it based on yeah um let me jump into it real quick so 00:43:54.020 --> 00:43:59.300 uh these are all the churches uh that i have so i'm just going to jump into church apps okay 00:44:00.500 --> 00:44:08.980 um and so from this i'm in b1 but i this is the portal that i was talking about that every member has their 00:44:08.980 --> 00:44:15.060 own and then i'm going to jump into the admin so this is what admin looks like and like i said you 00:44:15.060 --> 00:44:21.780 can switch apps right here so i can go to any of the apps chums b1 or less of my church um so this is 00:44:21.780 --> 00:44:27.780 the mobile app and how you set that up you you can just add more tabs change the image put whatever 00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:35.460 text you want um it's very simple to do and then the website well let's go into sermons you said sermons 00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:43.140 so if we go into sermons um basically we've got sermons right here so i can add one sermon at a 00:44:43.140 --> 00:44:52.020 time if i want to and i just go in i need to make a playlist um to put into it so i have to actually 00:44:52.020 --> 00:44:58.260 go to playlist first i forgot about that and we'll call this the new playlist and you can add a sermon 00:44:58.260 --> 00:45:04.500 series or whatever yep so you can add a thumbnail right here we'll just save that and then if i'm 00:45:04.500 --> 00:45:11.540 going to add a sermon just one at a time i go right here there's the new playlist i can do from youtube 00:45:11.540 --> 00:45:19.380 from vimeo from facebook or from a custom embedded url um so it will use uh if you're streaming to 00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:25.060 facebook yeah the problem with facebook is that every time you stream into facebook it's a different 00:45:25.060 --> 00:45:33.540 uh channel id right and so um youtube is what we suggest because later i'm going to jump in here go to 00:45:33.540 --> 00:45:41.060 times and then i can set up my service on a sunday morning yeah and i can set up the time whatever time 00:45:41.060 --> 00:45:47.620 i want it to be and then customize that when i go back to sermon then i can make it a permanent live url 00:45:48.260 --> 00:45:55.540 and there's my you know channel id and it goes really cool or wanted to i could uh bulk import 00:45:55.540 --> 00:46:02.980 which is right here import from youtube just grab a random channel here and i've obviously put in there 00:46:02.980 --> 00:46:09.540 before let's see what we get and so these are um this is some church all of their everything that's on 00:46:09.540 --> 00:46:15.620 their channel you can just click all the ones you want and let me see if i can switch us over i'll 00:46:15.620 --> 00:46:25.940 show you what it looks like live um so i'll go to south side this is a b1 church um website and so 00:46:25.940 --> 00:46:33.860 this is what it looks like after you have them imported and so their sermon live stream is right here 00:46:33.860 --> 00:46:40.580 obviously it's not going yet at 9 45 it's going to start when it does start this will go live but 00:46:40.580 --> 00:46:46.020 their archive is right here and so you can click into any one of them you can see that's a playlist 00:46:46.020 --> 00:46:53.460 and there's all the parts of that sermon and you just dig down then you can watch that part yeah and 00:46:53.460 --> 00:47:01.220 and that's just um i mean at that point that's just youtube so you're interface you're interfacing with 00:47:01.220 --> 00:47:09.380 youtube uploading to youtube by the way steve um steve mentioned that facebook actually live videos it 00:47:09.380 --> 00:47:16.100 doesn't keep longer than six videos they announced that maybe a couple months ago and so like if yeah 00:47:16.100 --> 00:47:23.300 your stream facebook is not the long-term solution um forgive me and it's it's looking like steve is 00:47:23.300 --> 00:47:32.020 steve is telling me did you see pastor d's question about pre-recorded videos um if i can do simulate 00:47:32.020 --> 00:47:38.980 uh uh can you do simulated live i i don't i don't know the answer to that uh um so you could make it 00:47:38.980 --> 00:47:48.980 go live yeah simulated live yeah in in youtube um yeah it would be what do they call it it's uh 00:47:48.980 --> 00:47:55.540 premiere youtube premiere is is is uh is simulated live so in that situation you would have to schedule 00:47:56.180 --> 00:48:03.300 be one to go to to start at a certain time and then you would schedule the simulated live video to premiere 00:48:03.300 --> 00:48:12.100 at that time and play back yeah correct yep pastor d's happy uh i mean i'm just i'm telling you like 00:48:12.820 --> 00:48:23.220 what they what this software is uh is incredible uh considering it's it's open source ian is uh very cool looks 00:48:23.220 --> 00:48:30.820 like uh worth we're switching to uh i mean it really is just it's a very rich interface now a lot of 00:48:30.820 --> 00:48:38.740 features now um we're going to get into lessons yeah so hey before you go do me a favor your window 00:48:40.020 --> 00:48:46.740 kind of squish it in a little bit i'm giving you a 16 9 box and you're you're a little too wide if you 00:48:46.740 --> 00:48:54.100 can uh make it narrower to more like a 16 9 window uh maybe a little more and then yeah that's good 00:48:54.820 --> 00:49:02.900 okay oh no force me back out let's try that yeah you're good try that okay so um i'm going to go to 00:49:02.900 --> 00:49:09.780 the main site on lessons.church so this is lessons.church um and basically what this is 00:49:10.340 --> 00:49:24.180 is um a uh way that we created um a format of lessons so traditionally in in lessons or in curriculum 00:49:24.740 --> 00:49:31.300 you're going to get a pdf and then if that pdf is wrong then they'll send you another pdf or you know 00:49:31.300 --> 00:49:36.340 it's it hasn't been an online thing for most curriculums uh it's it's kind of online like oh 00:49:36.340 --> 00:49:41.780 you can download it but it really locks you in so instead of doing that we made it all in code 00:49:41.780 --> 00:49:50.180 so anybody that comes on lessons.church they make um all their lessons in in a certain format to where 00:49:50.180 --> 00:49:59.620 we can manipulate it and make it work um for whatever we're doing so honestly we have enough material for 00:49:59.620 --> 00:50:05.780 everybody in your church um everybody from uh that's older we have ozark christian college 00:50:05.780 --> 00:50:13.220 we've partnered with them so we have 10 years worth of sunday school lessons for um just every topic 00:50:13.220 --> 00:50:17.380 that's in the bible and then in youth ministry that's what i'm showing you right here is the 00:50:17.380 --> 00:50:24.900 youth ministry uh it's four ministry resources as partnered with us and just i'm just this is all open 00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:31.140 source so i'm straight on the site i'm not even um i'm not even i got an account or anything and i can 00:50:31.140 --> 00:50:42.500 log in and because we've made everything to where it is um written in a way uh in code so all the images 00:50:42.500 --> 00:50:49.700 all the text then we can format it any way we want and so you can print off a script version color-coded 00:50:49.700 --> 00:50:59.940 lessons.church but even more importantly it works on your app and so all of this is a web portal but it's also working 00:51:01.060 --> 00:51:10.820 on an iphone or an android and it also works on our tv app and so it works with android or amazon firestick 00:51:10.820 --> 00:51:15.380 so lessons.church app and then you can schedule out lessons and then it plays 00:51:16.180 --> 00:51:23.300 the media from those lessons or you can play it right here um on inside of a browser we don't 00:51:23.300 --> 00:51:29.940 recommend it doing like this but you can if you want to um what we recommend is using this system 00:51:30.580 --> 00:51:34.580 all right so i have to go back i've logged in too many times and see 00:51:37.460 --> 00:51:44.580 back to church apps and lessons.church so classroom let's just name a classroom name uh class 00:51:45.700 --> 00:51:53.380 and then uh we'll just save that for now oh what's it what access and i wouldn't learn api lessons.church 00:51:55.220 --> 00:52:04.180 well i've logged in too many times you broke it i broke it yeah it's just this is a software demo issue 00:52:06.180 --> 00:52:10.820 the problem is i think i uh went back and forth too many times i'm going to actually go into 00:52:12.020 --> 00:52:18.020 the lessons and show you so these are classrooms that i've already made gotcha what's really cool 00:52:18.020 --> 00:52:25.540 is um i've scheduled out here an entire well this is like three years worth of lessons but to schedule 00:52:25.540 --> 00:52:30.660 something it's very simple so it picked up that i was doing on sundays picked up that we're using arc 00:52:30.660 --> 00:52:35.700 elementary i can use any program that i want to and then let's say i'm going to move to upside 00:52:35.700 --> 00:52:42.340 downtown okay great so next time i go in it's going to fill all that in now that's lesson two 00:52:43.140 --> 00:52:48.740 and so you're just you're cruising um if you've ever done anything with children's ministry this is 00:52:49.300 --> 00:52:58.820 this is a huge time saver but also with um any any um curriculum out there uh it is so hard to get 00:52:58.820 --> 00:53:06.980 everything organized this makes it just simple and we're we're not just doing this um on the lessons.church 00:53:06.980 --> 00:53:14.180 site just for us we really want the world to adopt and what we call an olf which is the open lesson 00:53:14.180 --> 00:53:22.020 format so every lesson um that's built for church would be in the olf that way you could import it 00:53:22.020 --> 00:53:30.820 straight in so external provider um would just be a url yeah so you could take that url put it right in 00:53:30.820 --> 00:53:37.860 and then you've got your import the resources in yeah you can who's who's using the olf format at this 00:53:37.860 --> 00:53:47.380 point so uh obviously we are um we've also um sent it over to planning center um and as them they're 00:53:47.380 --> 00:53:51.540 looking at trying to go something like that and now they want to do something different that we would 00:53:52.260 --> 00:54:01.860 we would adjust because the world needs um just a standard format for this stuff but also um there 00:54:01.860 --> 00:54:08.820 is the nazarene church um the actual denomination they've made some lessons using the olf and it's 00:54:08.820 --> 00:54:18.180 been very successful so if we go i'll get real geeky real quick go for it i think i can and we 00:54:18.180 --> 00:54:22.420 let's switch over here to schedules i need to go to admin 00:54:27.780 --> 00:54:28.260 maybe not 00:54:30.980 --> 00:54:34.100 i i was going to try to switch over and show you the actual format 00:54:35.300 --> 00:54:41.460 should ian's cooking out over the nazarenes i just wanted to give attention to that okay we're done 00:54:43.860 --> 00:54:52.420 uh sorry yeah i was in the the wrong account that is the problem yeah uh so let me 00:54:53.460 --> 00:54:59.220 jump into the right account here we go so right here 00:55:01.860 --> 00:55:05.940 schedules admin so this is the back end 00:55:07.860 --> 00:55:12.340 so these are all the lessons that are there that's that summer the max we're just looking at 00:55:12.340 --> 00:55:20.740 and if i go into the venues and then here's all the roles and you can see everything is written in 00:55:20.740 --> 00:55:29.780 here and so you just have to add an action which is a say do play download note or add-on yeah and then 00:55:29.780 --> 00:55:36.420 you put it right in here and we're using markup to do all this and what it gives um the actual user the 00:55:36.420 --> 00:55:43.620 ability to do is pretty cool because then they can go into their schedule um let's schedule a quick class 00:55:43.620 --> 00:55:51.540 here and then i can go in as a user and actually delete out things that i don't want so if i don't 00:55:51.540 --> 00:55:58.180 want that i can delete it just for this classroom or all classrooms this classroom and so it makes it 00:55:59.220 --> 00:56:06.900 love it is this like and you can push it to tv apps you can push it to mobile like this can be a 00:56:06.900 --> 00:56:14.020 web browser lessons this could be a a group lessons like at a home bringing people over like for a small group 00:56:14.020 --> 00:56:23.140 um do do you i know with lessons as well as with streaming like there's there's an opportunity for 00:56:24.020 --> 00:56:31.940 um chat interaction like asynchronous threaded conversations do you guys integrate that anywhere 00:56:31.940 --> 00:56:39.940 into your your software yet so it's built on the idea of classrooms um so in the software it would work 00:56:39.940 --> 00:56:46.580 because if everybody's on the b1 church app um and then they're a part of that class they can see the 00:56:46.580 --> 00:56:53.860 lesson and actually go through it um with everybody else and there's so b1 has chat functionality 00:56:53.860 --> 00:57:01.300 yes absolutely very cool yeah yeah and so it's really built uh too for for like a classroom so 00:57:01.300 --> 00:57:08.580 when you schedule something um what it does on that on the tv app is it downloads all that information 00:57:08.580 --> 00:57:14.900 so that on sunday morning you're ready to go um and you're not streaming it but the tv app also has a 00:57:14.900 --> 00:57:21.540 streaming function so we have i think almost two terabytes worth of uh video curriculum that's there 00:57:21.540 --> 00:57:28.660 and some of it um is really really um good even just um like the ozark stuff it's just professors 00:57:28.660 --> 00:57:34.180 teaching it's great to watch so you can stream all that just by going to lessons.church app and go over 00:57:34.180 --> 00:57:40.340 to the streaming side and stream it but the beauty is when you schedule now at every sunday morning 00:57:40.340 --> 00:57:44.420 it's downloading everything you need so when you walk in the classroom you just click the button and 00:57:44.420 --> 00:57:51.220 you're off and running yeah i you know i in physical church space i cannot tell you how much difficulty 00:57:51.220 --> 00:57:59.220 i had with uh set up and tear down student ministries that didn't have access to wi-fi to download whatever 00:57:59.220 --> 00:58:07.060 the video they needed for worship or like it just it was uh uh uh i i i'm i'm not exaggerating at this 00:58:07.060 --> 00:58:14.340 point it was a big deal and uh just even hearing you say things like oh it downloads it to the to 00:58:14.340 --> 00:58:20.340 oh i was like oh my gosh i just i love i love so much about this um because it's amazing how much 00:58:21.940 --> 00:58:27.700 people's bodies take away wi-fi signal i can't explain it but when you get a lot of people in a church 00:58:27.700 --> 00:58:36.420 then it's like everything drops so everything that we build we really build um for trying it's for the 00:58:36.420 --> 00:58:43.380 church and it's people that are using it in the church um so yeah it downloads because we know that 00:58:43.380 --> 00:58:48.100 the children's ministry has the worst wi-fi and if you set all this up then it's a it's a waste of 00:58:48.100 --> 00:58:54.260 time but that's where that's where we really need help jeff is more people saying hey i want to use it but 00:58:54.260 --> 00:58:58.740 that's great if you use it we want to hear your feedback like we want you jumping on github and 00:58:58.740 --> 00:59:03.940 saying hey this is broken this doesn't work it would be awesome if it would do it this way if we had 00:59:03.940 --> 00:59:09.780 chat here you know and that's that's what's making this project more move forward yeah and so you know 00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:15.380 i i know i know that the the people here and they they love to share opinions and beat the crap out of 00:59:15.380 --> 00:59:22.420 stuff because you know i do too and so you know i i personally i i think there's i think there's there's 00:59:22.420 --> 00:59:27.700 two different audience right now that that's watching this video one you know i think i think 00:59:27.700 --> 00:59:34.900 many of you like like pastor d is you know our minds are blowing right now with yes there's an 00:59:34.900 --> 00:59:41.060 opportunity to do this save thousands of dollars a year um and have a powerful software solution 00:59:41.060 --> 00:59:46.180 that may actually work better than what they had before um and so you know i would encourage you 00:59:46.180 --> 00:59:51.460 church what's the best way to follow up with you churchapps.org yep churchapps.org and make an 00:59:51.460 --> 00:59:57.780 account it's 100 free yeah you're not losing anything by doing that secondly i know some of 00:59:57.780 --> 01:00:03.460 you are watching this and are intrigued anytime you know we have a beta culture here within the church 01:00:03.460 --> 01:00:10.100 digital because we love feedback we love uh building and developing and and i want to encourage some of 01:00:10.100 --> 01:00:19.300 you to um to to reach out as well and and start to provide that uh people that want feedback like ian 01:00:19.300 --> 01:00:25.700 ian is saying accounts made ian is a great feedback guy um how does ian get the feedback to you like 01:00:25.700 --> 01:00:35.220 what's what's the best way of communication to make this happen yeah um so the best way is github 01:00:35.860 --> 01:00:42.340 um if you if you know how to make issues in github um and it's it's really simple um you can go to 01:00:42.340 --> 01:00:48.900 churchapps.org forward slash dev um and if you want to if you're a coder and you want to get involved 01:00:49.300 --> 01:00:54.340 um you can join our slack channel right there and and we'll we'll get to work we'll get you to work 01:00:54.340 --> 01:01:00.340 if you want to get to work yeah if you know if you know github great if you don't know github 01:01:00.340 --> 01:01:06.260 if if in a minute if there's a slack channel that they can interact with in before steve says what 01:01:06.260 --> 01:01:13.860 slack slack is like discord or whatsapp but it's usually more in like dev slash programmer world 01:01:13.860 --> 01:01:23.300 slash corporate um and so yeah that that would be great churchapps.org slash dev dev yep but if you're 01:01:23.300 --> 01:01:28.420 just you know hey i just want to help out but i don't know how to do slack or church that's fine as 01:01:28.420 --> 01:01:33.620 soon as you make an account you're going to get an email from our director and that's what he wants 01:01:33.620 --> 01:01:39.940 and so you will personally email um him or you'll email a volunteer and they will get back to you 01:01:39.940 --> 01:01:45.780 almost immediately and say hey thanks for that idea or um that idea has already been done check it out 01:01:45.780 --> 01:01:51.380 this is how you do it um because we're not just going to drop you like this is this is full support 01:01:51.380 --> 01:01:56.340 that you're going to have and we try to make our support just as good or better than any paid for 01:01:56.340 --> 01:02:03.220 application yeah i i i'm every conversation i have i have with these guys i just i get more and more 01:02:03.220 --> 01:02:12.260 impressed by it uh uh eva uh eva i'm sorry is asking here hey eva uh are you looking for volunteers 01:02:12.260 --> 01:02:17.540 to work with how how can people volunteer with what you're doing or help what areas are you looking 01:02:17.540 --> 01:02:24.340 for absolutely um like i mentioned before we're um i'm actually a volunteer for church apps we're 01:02:24.340 --> 01:02:32.020 we're driven by volunteers um so if if you want to jump in um and help and support if you want to help 01:02:32.020 --> 01:02:38.740 in um coding if you want to help in implementation if you want to help in marketing um we need it all 01:02:38.740 --> 01:02:45.940 and so um to be honest with you for the last um two three years um we've got the google ads grant 01:02:45.940 --> 01:02:51.780 which has been amazing um so we're onboarding about 20 churches a day and most of that's coming from the 01:02:51.780 --> 01:02:59.540 google ad grant um and that google ad grant has been ran for three years by volunteers um which if 01:02:59.540 --> 01:03:04.900 you know anything about google ads that's not an easy volunteer position um and just a shout out to 01:03:04.900 --> 01:03:10.020 those guys that are doing that it's a it's amazing um but they see the mission and they they understand 01:03:10.020 --> 01:03:17.780 that it is for the capital c church so um yeah if you want to email me directly um it's mike at church 01:03:17.780 --> 01:03:24.580 apps.org uh we will find a place jump on a zoom call and see where we can uh work together yeah i love 01:03:24.580 --> 01:03:31.060 that uh and so eva mike at church apps.org if you get lost reach out to us and we'll get you we'll get 01:03:31.060 --> 01:03:37.220 you connected over there because uh there's man there's definitely a need and a benefit pastor d i'm 01:03:37.220 --> 01:03:44.660 just kind of using her as the example uh i think that's every feature so you're uh 141 plus 52 a 01:03:44.660 --> 01:03:52.340 month that you won't have to pay anymore and getting more features and control with that so um uh it it 01:03:52.340 --> 01:04:01.940 looks like you've made a uh a happy client over here uh so well done yeah well and uh pastor d if you if 01:04:01.940 --> 01:04:07.700 you're loving the service if it's working out for you a lot of our um the way that we're supported 01:04:07.700 --> 01:04:12.420 is by other churches that are like hey this is a great mission and i want to pay it forward to the 01:04:12.420 --> 01:04:22.260 next um next church and you know even a 25 donation a month goes a long way um our upward bill is 01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:29.700 unbelievable um because we're squashing bugs all the time and and that takes it it does take money to do 01:04:29.700 --> 01:04:37.220 that and we and so um any any uh donations that go towards church apps they go straight into helping 01:04:37.220 --> 01:04:43.380 and making the program better and better and better and better and so uh we we appreciate people just 01:04:43.380 --> 01:04:50.500 using it and giving us feedback that is of a huge value it really is the only reason that it is to where 01:04:50.500 --> 01:04:56.740 it is today is because people actually said hey it would be nice if it did x y or z and so we're able to 01:04:56.740 --> 01:05:02.420 follow through on that and then now we're seeing some churches that are are giving back and it just makes 01:05:02.420 --> 01:05:09.540 life so much easier to be able to pay coders to be able to jump in and get some of the the bugs the 01:05:09.540 --> 01:05:14.980 things that that open source community doesn't really like to do um they still have to get done we got to 01:05:14.980 --> 01:05:22.900 do maintenance and make it all happen yeah man it is it's no small task it's funny people i've i've been asked several 01:05:22.900 --> 01:05:30.420 times um you know about developing a software you know like a more of a a software platform around 01:05:30.420 --> 01:05:37.780 the church digital instead of using the the free resources we have and uh available and and i i i am 01:05:37.780 --> 01:05:44.420 i'm scared to death of developing a platform because of the cost of maintenance uh on those things like 01:05:44.420 --> 01:05:51.140 it's it's no small task to you know even at an open source level all it's probably maybe more difficult 01:05:51.140 --> 01:05:55.620 at an open source because you've got to keep all the doors open to allow other people to do whatever 01:05:55.620 --> 01:06:04.100 they want instead of privatizing it and just keeping it you know locked up and so man congratulations on on 01:06:04.100 --> 01:06:10.740 on a powerful tool i uh and there's you know just even looking at this there's a lot more um 01:06:11.940 --> 01:06:20.340 opportunities i i think for for digital missionaries for digital churches uh to dig into is interesting 01:06:20.340 --> 01:06:29.300 uh eva at one point asked early on if you had any vr ar tools in uh in church apps and so 01:06:30.180 --> 01:06:36.740 i don't think they're there yet uh but uh who knows what the future holds with that we're open to 01:06:36.740 --> 01:06:46.100 it i mean i don't even know where it goes but oh man uh yeah that that may be that maybe it's it's so 01:06:46.100 --> 01:06:54.820 funny um you know metaverse ain't going away and uh i don't the i don't know we barely know what the 01:06:54.820 --> 01:07:00.580 church looks like in the metaverse much less um how to support the church in the metaverse that's 01:07:00.580 --> 01:07:08.420 that to be honest that's what i'm i'm discovering um the the pioneers are so pioneering like it's it's 01:07:08.420 --> 01:07:14.660 the alpha mode i'm gonna get it done hell or high water uh it's it's the apostolics that are out there 01:07:14.660 --> 01:07:21.780 they're doing it but um we haven't it hasn't settled enough yet to actually figure out how best to support 01:07:22.340 --> 01:07:27.780 some of those movements uh and ar don't even get me started on that but this has been an incredible 01:07:27.780 --> 01:07:34.820 conversation yeah vr and what you're doing in there is a huge mission field and people are there and 01:07:34.820 --> 01:07:42.260 it's awesome if we can help in any way on the back end where you're organizing um that that's i mean we 01:07:42.260 --> 01:07:48.260 built this in mind and when it really started taking places around covid um and we're thinking this is 01:07:48.260 --> 01:07:54.100 perfect for house church yeah there's you can organize everything um you don't have to worry 01:07:54.100 --> 01:07:59.940 about oh i'm gonna have to pay this no that yeah just start using it yeah if you're a if you're a 01:07:59.940 --> 01:08:08.020 house church house church network micro church dinner church um uh digital churches you know in in 01:08:08.020 --> 01:08:12.660 in a smaller scapey i don't i don't want to minimalize even a large scape like there's plenty of 01:08:12.660 --> 01:08:18.900 opportunities i tell you if it just even if i were to poke the bear on the vr side just because i can 01:08:19.620 --> 01:08:28.820 um the thing that would be interesting is if you if we could figure out okay so i attend a a virtual 01:08:28.820 --> 01:08:40.500 reality uh church service um how do i give wearing a headset how do i share my contact info fill out a 01:08:40.500 --> 01:08:47.940 form via headset um like what's the easiest way to integrate in i know this was like this i've had 01:08:47.940 --> 01:08:55.540 this conversation with several other crms but it would be figuring out how to integrate in the form 01:08:55.540 --> 01:09:03.460 functionality easily into you know a virtual reality world that somebody was building um you know i don't 01:09:03.460 --> 01:09:10.900 i don't know that iframe totally works in vr um and that may not be even even your problem it may be 01:09:11.620 --> 01:09:17.940 at the the software dev side but that would be a huge win is figuring out how to get some of these 01:09:17.940 --> 01:09:24.260 frames easily accessible some of these forms easily accessible in vr so they could be in the database to 01:09:24.260 --> 01:09:30.740 make for easier follow-up etc well that and and i mean honestly it's built i mean everything's built 01:09:30.740 --> 01:09:38.420 in react and so um it's a lot easier than trying to use dot net to make something work with this 01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:43.780 um so and it is open source so if there's going to be one church management software that's going 01:09:43.780 --> 01:09:49.380 to be able to do it i'm going to put ours at the very top like i love it would love that would love 01:09:49.380 --> 01:09:58.020 that be cool all right i uh it's funny uh i'll go ahead and post this steve says uh oh my i just 01:09:58.020 --> 01:10:03.620 realized you actually went over an hour great conversation info it's so funny i'll go ahead 01:10:03.620 --> 01:10:09.700 and say this this really went well not that i was expecting to go bad but um i mean we basically talked 01:10:09.700 --> 01:10:18.340 about database for for like an hour um that's a hard thing to pull off and and make it interesting but 01:10:18.340 --> 01:10:24.260 i mean the heart of this is this software is incredibly powerful um and and is designed in 01:10:24.260 --> 01:10:30.900 a way to impact people like you and the ministry you're doing so take a look at church apps and uh and 01:10:30.900 --> 01:10:36.900 and dig into it steve um man as we're wrapping up here today i'm sorry steve i'm looking at steve 01:10:36.900 --> 01:10:43.620 on the screen michael as we're wrapping up today uh in any closing thoughts and uh just so glad to 01:10:43.620 --> 01:10:49.380 be a part of this community i think i told you in the past i've been listening to church digital for 01:10:49.380 --> 01:10:56.740 forever it's been such a huge blessing uh for me and and my ministry personally and so an honor to be 01:10:56.740 --> 01:11:03.300 here um and and just thank you for for having me and and i hope that this is uh beneficial to 01:11:03.300 --> 01:11:10.740 everybody that sees it it's so so good all right so check out church dot apps no churchapps.org 01:11:11.380 --> 01:11:18.260 churchapps.org uh for more information on uh everything that we we talked about today 01:11:18.900 --> 01:11:25.380 and if there's any questions uh feel free to hit me up directly and we can on discord or or 01:11:25.380 --> 01:11:30.820 whatsapp and i can traffic copy you in the right direction but michael man thanks for being a part 01:11:30.820 --> 01:11:36.580 michael michael michael now i'm wanting to call you steve and it's it's been i i jinxed it by saying 01:11:36.580 --> 01:11:41.380 it's been a great conversation you know and now we're at like 70 minutes and i'm i'm cracking like 01:11:41.380 --> 01:11:47.060 i don't even know what's going on but uh michael man thanks for jumping uh on this and in some of 01:11:47.060 --> 01:11:53.060 these tools to you know equip and empower churches at a global level but we're going to wrap up uh for 01:11:53.060 --> 01:11:58.260 michael michael this is jeff uh with the church digital thanks for coming on the stream tomorrow 01:11:58.260 --> 01:12:06.580 night alan hirsch and hopefully i get his name right all right see y'all later bye see you guys