WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.440 All right. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. This is Jeff hanging out with 00:00:08.440 --> 00:00:16.940 you this Tuesday afternoon. You want to make God laugh, make plans, I guess, because I was 00:00:16.940 --> 00:00:23.140 planning to do a really interesting conversation centered around artificial intelligence and the 00:00:23.140 --> 00:00:29.920 use of artificial intelligence for evangelism. I ran across a vendor, part of Lausanne, 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:37.920 someone who's created an artificial intelligence that, long story short, it's actually like 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:47.900 programmed with the gospel and is very strong scriptural oriented in quoting scripture and 00:00:47.900 --> 00:00:56.700 helping people find Christ. And so, yes, the matrix is helping people find Jesus. Oh, and it's in like, 00:00:56.700 --> 00:01:02.760 I don't know, 110 languages. Like, this is really interesting. You know, when the guy told me, I was 00:01:02.760 --> 00:01:10.640 like, and I invited him on the podcast. I said, now, I want to warn you, we've got some incarnational 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:15.740 crew hanging out here with us here on the Church Digital. Like, you're going to find some ardent 00:01:15.740 --> 00:01:20.040 supporters and you're probably going to have some naysayers on the stream as well. And he's like, 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:26.920 welcome to my Friday. And so like, you know, whatever your stance is on that. But we will 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:32.400 look forward to having that conversation. Not today, because we had a last minute cancellation 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:38.620 and a shift. And when things canceled, it's been like, you know what? It has been so long since I 00:01:38.620 --> 00:01:44.520 just jumped on a stream to stream, you know, hang out with y'all for an hour or so. It's like, I just, 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:50.880 I just want to do it myself. And so, um, yeah, you know, hold my hat, hold my beer, whatever the 00:01:50.880 --> 00:01:56.240 phrase is. I just want to hang out with you guys for, for, for an hour or so. Uh, so thank you. I, 00:01:56.240 --> 00:02:01.040 I appreciate that. Uh, I see Layton is in the room. It's, it's a light crowd, maybe a couple of 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:06.580 people, uh, what I'm seeing so far, which is cool. I mean, it's, it's summer. Summer is here. 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:14.100 Everybody's schedules are, are, are whacked. Um, my, uh, I am a single parent here in, in Miami this 00:02:14.100 --> 00:02:22.100 week. My, my wife is actually in, in Fort Worth, Texas, uh, getting, uh, some college board 00:02:22.100 --> 00:02:28.440 certification to teach AP for high school courses, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, 00:02:28.440 --> 00:02:33.520 long story short, I joked with my wife. Hey, my wife, who was really excited. Congratulations. 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:38.340 Congratulations. You're going to nerd camp for adults, uh, to which, uh, everyone in 00:02:38.340 --> 00:02:44.980 the house laughed. And, uh, my wife is now, you know, um, at nerd camp for, for the week 00:02:44.980 --> 00:02:49.760 and she, she's really excited. She's, she's kind of a nerd. Like it's, it's in the, in the 00:02:49.760 --> 00:02:57.320 world of academia, um, you know, she got her dose and she got my dose too. Like I am, I 00:02:57.320 --> 00:03:02.440 don't test. Well, I don't, I really didn't like school, which is weird because, you know, 00:03:02.440 --> 00:03:07.800 my wife loves school. My daughter, my daughter and son actually attend the school. My wife 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:12.180 teaches at the school that I graduated from when I graduated, I swore I never walked back 00:03:12.180 --> 00:03:15.700 to that place. And now my, my, I dropped my kids there off, you know, in the mornings 00:03:15.700 --> 00:03:20.860 and my, my wife, you know, gets her paycheck from there. My daughter texted me today and 00:03:20.860 --> 00:03:27.580 said, Hey, daddy, um, some woman, the head of marketing for Westminster says that your, uh, 00:03:27.580 --> 00:03:35.460 high school reunion is coming up in October and you need to go. I was like, yeah, that's, 00:03:35.540 --> 00:03:43.340 uh, that's not going to happen. Uh, simply put no. Uh, but, uh, you know, anyway, uh, I've 00:03:43.340 --> 00:03:47.780 no idea how I got onto that, but so schedules are crazy. Uh, so we're happy to hang out here. 00:03:47.780 --> 00:03:53.640 It looks like we've got flat cap, um, you know, flat cap once again. I don't even know what's 00:03:53.640 --> 00:04:00.300 happening here. Hand orange covering eyes, hand orange covering eyes, hand orange covering 00:04:00.300 --> 00:04:08.820 eyes is, is okay. So as I'm reading this, are they, um, are you holding an orange in your 00:04:08.820 --> 00:04:18.880 hands over your eyes or are your hands orange covering your eyes? Like I just don't know how 00:04:18.880 --> 00:04:27.300 to, um, represent this Layton, you know, I may need some help. Uh, late Layton, by the 00:04:27.300 --> 00:04:34.740 way, is saying, just, just go and promote the church digital. Uh, no, no. Uh, you know, 00:04:34.740 --> 00:04:41.160 it's funny. I told, um, I told one of the, I told my son, I was like, you got to keep 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:46.560 me connected with one of the Bible teachers, some Bible somewhere class somewhere wants to 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:51.760 listen to me talk about how we're planting churches in video games. Um, like coming, come 00:04:51.760 --> 00:04:58.220 on, come on. How crazy is that? Planting churches in video games? Come on. Somebody wants to hear 00:04:58.220 --> 00:05:04.260 that story. Uh, so we hear from Layton, uh, orange color hands covering hands at wife. 00:05:04.740 --> 00:05:10.380 Leaving you home. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. God, God, God rest the children. 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:17.080 Um, she, the, uh, we, you know what we went, we went and saw, uh, how to train your dragon 00:05:17.080 --> 00:05:26.980 yesterday. Um, for dinner, we ate three large buckets of popcorn. That was pretty much dinner. 00:05:27.280 --> 00:05:30.940 Oh, and my son went swimming in the, in the swimming pool over at the grandparents and forgot 00:05:30.940 --> 00:05:37.480 to put on sunscreen. And now, uh, is red. Like a lobster is red. Maybe it's blue. Like 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:44.080 a lobster is blue. Like it's, it's hardcore. And, um, you know, it's common knowledge that 00:05:44.080 --> 00:05:49.220 my son who has a black belt and is now working out with a foot black belt in Taekwondo and 00:05:49.220 --> 00:05:54.940 it's not working out with the football team that he can kick my butt, but not today. Today I 00:05:54.940 --> 00:06:01.300 own him. I just have to boink. And, uh, and he's crying like a little school girl. All right. 00:06:01.400 --> 00:06:07.360 Flat cap. Once again, saying, uh, wear your discord as it is in heaven. Teacher. Yes. Yeah, I would. 00:06:07.420 --> 00:06:14.380 I would. I would. I got to get in there. I got, I got to find some high school teacher. Like 00:06:14.380 --> 00:06:20.280 definitely the seventh grade, uh, Bible teacher is also the e-sports guy. And so maybe that's, 00:06:20.340 --> 00:06:27.820 that's the best way in, um, Steve, uh, read jumping on as well. Uh, you know, once again, 00:06:27.860 --> 00:06:32.800 Hey guys, once glad you all are here. It's going to be a casual, casual talk. You know, we're 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:39.880 going to, we're going to see some people hit this up on demand and happy to do it. Um, I spent 00:06:39.880 --> 00:06:49.800 yesterday, I spent yesterday drawing up a bunch of proposals for what I wanted to do in 2026. 00:06:50.860 --> 00:06:55.320 Like some of the things that I'd love to see the church digital get into or some of the heavy 00:06:55.320 --> 00:07:02.280 conversations I'm starting to get with volunteers in 2026. And it's man, it's really exciting, um, 00:07:02.280 --> 00:07:08.600 to look at the road, what's ahead, um, and start to dream through some of these proposals. 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:14.400 And so I started geeking out about that. Uh, I may talk a little bit about that here. Um, 00:07:14.640 --> 00:07:20.380 but even as we're starting to fill out maybe one or two last positions within the church digital, 00:07:20.380 --> 00:07:25.120 we've been shorthanded for a stretch and looking forward to get that going. Looking forward to 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:31.560 digital missions project, digital missions, uh, digital missionary conference. I hate that. I, 00:07:31.760 --> 00:07:37.460 digital missions project, Jesse, I love you, but I, I just, I, I, I, I get blipped like in the brain, 00:07:37.460 --> 00:07:44.580 uh, digital missionary conference, uh, coming up in September and October. And, uh, you know, 00:07:44.580 --> 00:07:55.780 the lineup is of speakers is starting to solidify. I think we probably got 75, 85% of the speakers lined up. 00:07:56.140 --> 00:08:11.920 Uh, it's just really, it's just a couple left in gaming and in a couple left in, um, recovery still to book. Uh, but it is a solid lineup around the corner, uh, just all over the place on it. 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:25.780 So let's do this. Let's, let's, let's walk through some stuff here. Um, what do I want to do? Let's, uh, it's, yeah, let's go ahead and make this and see if I can do a screen share. Let's go to missionary.digital. 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:34.760 So I'm excited about this digital missionary conference. We launched. Oh, you know what? I'm not sure I built this out. I'm going to push this. Let's see what happens. 00:08:35.520 --> 00:08:47.000 Hey, it does work. I didn't undo it. That's exciting to me. All right. So, uh, the digital missionary conference, we, we, we launched the website a couple of weeks ago. 00:08:47.380 --> 00:08:56.400 Uh, congratulations. You are looking at the digital missionary summit series. So missionary.digital is the new website. 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:08.520 Well, it's the old website, but it's the old URL, but it's the new website on the old URL. Uh, and I love this, uh, coming up in September and October, we're doing four unique summits. 00:09:08.520 --> 00:09:16.760 You know, it wasn't like one digital missionary conference. I mean, shoot, we did that in the spring. What, what, what, what can we do to, to up, up the ante? 00:09:17.140 --> 00:09:24.260 Well, let's do four over the course of a month. You know, it's funny. Uh, one of the, one of our, our strategic partners, 00:09:24.260 --> 00:09:33.720 she heard we were doing four conferences and she's like, Jeff, aren't you worried about like overwhelming your team? 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:44.280 And I was like, yeah, but we're going to do it. And you know, what's, what's fun is, um, how, how this is rolled out. 00:09:44.280 --> 00:09:53.620 Like strategically individuals have stepped up to own different parts of, of the puzzle. Um, word revolution, 00:09:53.620 --> 00:10:03.260 Barbara's team has been so awesome in, in developing some of the, uh, the, the branding and some of the language and some of the graphics. 00:10:03.260 --> 00:10:10.880 And, you know, the average conference is like, Hey, let's design one look for a conference. 00:10:11.660 --> 00:10:15.680 And I'm like, Oh no, no, we're going to do four conferences. So let's do four separate looks. 00:10:15.860 --> 00:10:24.060 And so that's what you're seeing here is you're seeing four separate looks for the digital missionary conference. 00:10:24.060 --> 00:10:25.220 Let me make it bigger there. 00:10:25.500 --> 00:10:31.020 And so we are doing right off, uh, kicking it off, uh, September 17th. 00:10:31.020 --> 00:10:41.500 This is probably the, uh, the larger, what I would suspect would be the larger of the four, uh, is the digital neighborhoods. 00:10:41.500 --> 00:10:56.860 The digital neighborhoods. This is, um, uh, the most unspecific digital discipleship is the theme, um, digital as physical, uh, platforms as places. 00:10:56.860 --> 00:11:06.280 You know, some of the, some of the language that we talk about, um, like, this is what we're doing here in this conference, uh, uh, January. 00:11:06.280 --> 00:11:11.980 That was embarrassing. September 17th. And so, um, I mean, I'm excited about this. 00:11:12.040 --> 00:11:19.840 Jason Morris is talking at this conference. Uh, but, um, you know, so many, so many, let me highlight two speakers. 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:38.400 Uh, first off, we've got, uh, Jeff, uh, Vanderstelt, Jeff Vanderstelt, uh, for, with, uh, Saturate, uh, has written, uh, 360 discipleship, uh, is Jeff's going to be coming on and talking about gospel saturation. 00:11:38.400 --> 00:11:43.320 No, I'm sorry. Uh, gospel, uh, fluidity, uh, fluency, gospel fluency. 00:11:43.660 --> 00:11:49.180 Uh, that was, I was not prepared to do this talk today. Can you tell? Uh, gospel fluency. 00:11:49.300 --> 00:11:57.580 And, oh my gosh, like if you've not read Jeff's book on this, it's so good. Uh, and so we asked him, it's, it's a book maybe five, six years ago. 00:11:57.640 --> 00:12:02.000 Asked him to kind of pull the mothballs off the talk and, and do it in digital space. 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:08.300 Jeff's been a huge supporter of digital church, um, of the church, digital, digital church network historically. 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:18.260 And, um, the digital missionary work that you all are doing out there. Um, he has been, uh, he's one of the, um, 00:12:18.760 --> 00:12:27.320 high level leaders within the exponential ecosystem has done written a number of books. Uh, his discipleship organization saturates phenomenal. 00:12:28.040 --> 00:12:37.240 Uh, it was funny at some point we were actually, Jason Morris was actually like, Hey Jeff, why don't we like, you know, adapt, uh, Jeff Vanderstelt saturate digitally. 00:12:37.920 --> 00:12:43.940 Um, it was actually a really, really interesting conversation for a stretch, but conversation for a different day. 00:12:43.940 --> 00:12:47.000 Uh, and then, oh my gosh. 00:12:48.700 --> 00:12:50.400 Bekele, Bekele Shanko. 00:12:50.680 --> 00:12:57.160 Now I met Bekele, who is a high level, like vice president and crew global. 00:12:57.160 --> 00:13:00.100 Like this guy's phenomenal at the crew level. 00:13:00.100 --> 00:13:12.420 Um, uh, Bekele directly has, uh, is responsible for something like 2.4 million churches planted globally. 00:13:12.420 --> 00:13:19.640 Like it's ridiculous that the numbers that, that I'm hearing, um, you know, connected to him. 00:13:19.640 --> 00:13:28.980 I actually, I met, I met Bekele, uh, with, um, uh, finishing the task, the thing that Rick Warren was doing a couple of years ago. 00:13:28.980 --> 00:13:41.020 So, and, um, I was, uh, Bekele got me interested, got me invited into that and was, was working with, with him and some others, with crew and some other organizations, uh, with the Rick Warren deal. 00:13:41.020 --> 00:13:58.260 And, um, I mean, really a lot of the work that we now do that the church digital now does with crew is because Bekele got, got us in the front door, uh, which was so helpful and so, um, appreciated, you know, these years later. 00:13:58.260 --> 00:14:08.980 And so Bekele is going to be talking about, um, uh, volunteer, um, leadership training, leadership development, uh, towards that. 00:14:09.040 --> 00:14:15.720 And so it's, it's really exciting to see how the digital neighborhoods thread's going to be developing here very soon. 00:14:15.900 --> 00:14:17.340 And we will have breakouts. 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:19.680 Uh, we will have, uh, sponsor tables. 00:14:19.820 --> 00:14:20.960 We will have tables as well. 00:14:21.300 --> 00:14:27.680 All the tech issues that we had with all the conferences before, uh, thank you very much. 00:14:27.680 --> 00:14:32.960 Who below, uh, who below is going to be the platform of choice for our conferences moving forward. 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:41.600 And, uh, to say, to quote the great Andy mage last week during our onboarding with who below, Jeff, I'm very excited. 00:14:42.280 --> 00:14:43.140 Uh, yeah. 00:14:43.280 --> 00:14:50.280 Barbara was smiling to like a lot of the stability issues and a lot of the functionality that alter live was just missing. 00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:55.160 Who below, who below, who below, which has been around for 20 some years as, as an online event platform. 00:14:55.420 --> 00:14:57.040 Who below is rocking it, baby. 00:14:57.180 --> 00:15:00.260 And so it's going to be a phenomenal experience. 00:15:00.420 --> 00:15:03.940 So September 24th is our next conference. 00:15:03.940 --> 00:15:06.820 And this will actually be on who below as well. 00:15:06.820 --> 00:15:12.120 Uh, and so we're calling this one control, alt, recover. 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:20.120 Now this may be the most creative name of, of all of our, uh, of all of our summits control, all recover summit. 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:32.580 Uh, and long story short, we're, we're digging into the, um, the, uh, recovery, Christ centered recovery and what Christ centered recovery looks like in digital spaces. 00:15:32.580 --> 00:15:33.560 Now it was funny. 00:15:33.560 --> 00:15:40.460 I was talking with Stacy last night, uh, Stacy just got a new job in, uh, no, Arizona. 00:15:40.580 --> 00:15:40.820 Sorry. 00:15:40.980 --> 00:15:42.160 Sorry, Stacy, Arizona. 00:15:42.640 --> 00:15:50.160 And, um, I am excited for her, but like now, like some of our meetings are really weird hours. 00:15:50.160 --> 00:15:52.420 Cause you know, she's onboarding, which is fine. 00:15:52.800 --> 00:16:02.340 But the, um, you know, we're really excited about this conference recovery is not just for the addicted. 00:16:02.580 --> 00:16:09.160 Uh, recovery is for all of us because at some level, all of us are marginalized. 00:16:09.160 --> 00:16:12.540 All of us have, uh, personality issues. 00:16:12.540 --> 00:16:28.420 All of us have pride or ego or, or, or centric to self or, or have put other things, our kids, our pets, our jobs, other things, other idols in the throne where God should be. 00:16:28.420 --> 00:16:43.980 And, and, and, and recovery is the opportunity to stop and evaluate and work through the issues that you have to allow Christ to become center in your life. 00:16:44.380 --> 00:16:48.800 Now, you know, for some that, that can happen, not in recovery environments. 00:16:48.980 --> 00:16:56.000 I'll just tell you, I, having gone through a recovery environment, it changed my, A, it changed my life. 00:16:56.860 --> 00:16:58.540 B, it changed my relationship. 00:16:58.880 --> 00:17:01.380 C, it changed my, uh, my ministry. 00:17:02.060 --> 00:17:14.860 And, and, and this is one of the reasons why I am such a big fan of, of recovery and, and what that recovery mindset can do is because it made me a better digital pastor. 00:17:15.260 --> 00:17:19.380 By going through recovery, I learned, uh, empathy. 00:17:19.620 --> 00:17:25.660 By going through recovery, I was able to shine the light on myself to work through my crap. 00:17:25.760 --> 00:17:37.400 So now that I can shine that light in the darkness, confident, without fear of reciprocity, without fear of, of what it would expose, uh, from, from me. 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:43.200 Um, you know, ultimately we need to, it's going to be so funny. 00:17:43.280 --> 00:17:47.140 My kids for listening to this are going to be like, daddy, I can't believe you said that we need to own our crap. 00:17:48.140 --> 00:17:51.120 Like we've got this junk that's in our lives. 00:17:51.220 --> 00:17:58.680 We all do at some level all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, biblical and all control, all recovery. 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:11.540 Christ-centered recovery is a, is an incredible opportunity for you to recognize what that is in your life and maybe start to, um, work through that. 00:18:12.100 --> 00:18:20.620 TCD, the church digital, we're going to be launching recovery groups, digital recovery groups in, in, in the weeks to follow in, in October, 25. 00:18:20.800 --> 00:18:23.480 And so really excited to, to get that launch. 00:18:23.580 --> 00:18:25.700 We're going to be talking more about that through, through the conference. 00:18:26.220 --> 00:18:35.600 Uh, but we've got, man, some, some phenomenal speakers, uh, Nate Graybill, uh, executive director of, um, regeneration. 00:18:36.280 --> 00:18:39.040 Uh, Nate's been on the podcast a lot. 00:18:39.140 --> 00:18:44.140 This has done a lot of work with me historically on mental health, digital mental health. 00:18:44.140 --> 00:18:49.320 And so Nate's coming on speaking about the church's role in, in recovery. 00:18:49.940 --> 00:18:56.140 Um, we're going to have Laura Howe from Hope Made Strong coming on, uh, to talk about the role of recovery. 00:18:56.220 --> 00:19:00.620 In, um, in, in, in digital missions work. 00:19:00.700 --> 00:19:03.380 I'm so excited for, for Laura to do this. 00:19:03.800 --> 00:19:14.920 Uh, we've got, uh, uh, we're still working on details here, but Project Exodus, our strategic partner in this area is, uh, is coming on and, and, and leading, uh, a breakout. 00:19:15.100 --> 00:19:22.000 Uh, we're excited, uh, about the role of recovery in digital and virtual spaces. 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:32.920 Not only as a mission opportunity to extend the, the reach of how we're engaging and discipling people, others. 00:19:33.580 --> 00:19:37.100 To be honest, I'm more excited about what it's going to do to you. 00:19:37.540 --> 00:19:44.300 Um, as to be honest, I, I have learned to be very excited about what it did for me. 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:50.040 It was, uh, it was a hard process shining light on yourself. 00:19:51.100 --> 00:19:55.360 It was a humbling process shining light on yourself. 00:19:55.700 --> 00:20:01.640 Uh, but I pray many of you will, um, what do I want to say there? 00:20:03.320 --> 00:20:16.520 I pray that many of you would, um, would benefit from humbly shining light on yourself and allowing God to do with you what he will. 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:20.440 Yeah, I think I can say that. 00:20:22.100 --> 00:20:22.660 Cool. 00:20:22.860 --> 00:20:25.060 More on that conference coming up. 00:20:25.220 --> 00:20:30.880 Stacy is owning the Control-Alt-Recover conference. 00:20:31.140 --> 00:20:35.840 Jason has been influential, uh, heavily influential. 00:20:35.980 --> 00:20:41.380 He's actually kicking off the digital mission conference, the digital neighborhoods conference on the 17th. 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:48.560 And then we got Simon, uh, Simon Dirks out in Germany, the European, uh, digital missionary. 00:20:48.740 --> 00:20:50.300 This one's crazy. 00:20:50.840 --> 00:20:58.060 Uh, you know, uh, um, Simon, I think Scott, like 10 or 11 keynotes. 00:20:58.600 --> 00:21:03.760 Like if you're, if you're my age, maybe like 20 years ago, leadership network. 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:05.720 I think it was leadership network. 00:21:05.860 --> 00:21:15.800 They did this, um, online conference 20 years ago in the day when nobody was doing online conferences, but they called it the nines. 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:26.800 And what it basically was, was everybody had nine minutes of a keynote and, and it just bounced from a nine minute keynote to a nine minute keynote to a nine minute keynote over and over and over again. 00:21:27.140 --> 00:21:33.800 And so that's close to what the European digital missionary summit is going to be. 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:39.900 They may get like 11 minutes, maybe 12 minutes, but he's got a ton of keynotes. 00:21:40.460 --> 00:21:47.040 Um, and what, what I love about Simon in this, this conference he's putting together is it's a, it's a global reach. 00:21:47.040 --> 00:22:09.120 Like he's, he's, he's reaching and connecting to, he's platforming people from like Romania and France and Germany, obviously, and, and scavenavias and, and, and like, it really is a cross section of the company, of the countries that are existing in, um, in, in Europe. 00:22:09.120 --> 00:22:13.780 Um, and highlighting the ministry that's existing in that space. 00:22:14.860 --> 00:22:19.020 Um, and so what, this is an incredible networking opportunity. 00:22:19.020 --> 00:22:33.620 If you're doing ministry in Europe, uh, and you're curious what's happening in that space, or maybe you are neighboring and just want to see what's there, or maybe you're stateside and curious what they're doing on the other side of the pond. 00:22:33.980 --> 00:22:37.700 You know, go check out the European, uh, digital missionary summit. 00:22:37.700 --> 00:22:39.960 It's going to be August, October 1st, excuse me. 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:43.280 And then the most fun conference. 00:22:43.280 --> 00:22:50.820 Now, you know, uh, different titles, most creative, uh, most number of keynotes, like each one has their own characteristics. 00:22:51.600 --> 00:22:57.300 Layton and, uh, Andy have been working on, on the gaming summit. 00:22:58.380 --> 00:23:02.720 And I got to tell you, I'm really excited to see this one come into play. 00:23:02.800 --> 00:23:17.560 Uh, cause they're taking really practical principles of, of ministry development, uh, and applying it into gaming and, um, uh, streaming spaces. 00:23:17.560 --> 00:23:28.140 So what would it, what does it look like to, to discover your, your one digitally and to focus on that and to develop a ministry plan centered around the one? 00:23:28.320 --> 00:23:29.280 Oh my gosh. 00:23:29.520 --> 00:23:35.920 Um, maybe one of the top three keynote speakers. 00:23:36.380 --> 00:23:40.560 Um, I, I, I'm not, this guy hasn't signed off yet for me. 00:23:40.760 --> 00:23:45.420 Uh, he hasn't signed off period, but for me, one of the top three that I'm excited about is speaking at this conference. 00:23:45.980 --> 00:23:47.540 Um, and no, it's not me. 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:50.780 You know, that's something I would joke about, but I wouldn't do that. 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:56.720 Um, but man, like I just, I, this one, this is crazy. 00:23:57.260 --> 00:24:00.480 This conference is going to be hosted in discord. 00:24:01.120 --> 00:24:04.620 Uh, I'm, I'm, I've, I've never seen an online conference in discord. 00:24:05.020 --> 00:24:07.880 I'm, I'm, I'm a little, I'm not skeptical. 00:24:08.080 --> 00:24:09.060 That's not the right word. 00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:10.980 I'm curious. 00:24:11.620 --> 00:24:12.560 I'm curious. 00:24:13.740 --> 00:24:22.720 I've never seen a, uh, a online event of size hosted on a discord server. 00:24:23.900 --> 00:24:27.160 And, uh, Andy tells me, oh, Jeff, don't worry about it. 00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:28.260 We do this all the time. 00:24:28.660 --> 00:24:30.700 And, uh, so, okay, Andy, I trust you. 00:24:31.260 --> 00:24:32.920 And I do, I trust, I trust Andy. 00:24:33.560 --> 00:24:37.640 Uh, but I cannot wait to see it, uh, to, to learn from it. 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:39.760 Cause it's, it's, it's going to be great. 00:24:39.760 --> 00:24:47.340 And I just discovered, I just discovered they're doing an, uh, gaming after party. 00:24:47.560 --> 00:24:55.080 So not only do you get to hang out and learn about how to do ministry and gaming spaces, 00:24:55.080 --> 00:25:02.540 but they're like doing a full on gaming after party to grab the consoles, grab the controllers 00:25:02.540 --> 00:25:08.180 and jam out playing some games with people from literally across the planet. 00:25:08.620 --> 00:25:12.320 So man, what, what an exciting digital missionary conference. 00:25:12.780 --> 00:25:15.760 Uh, you know, we had 1100 people the first round. 00:25:17.420 --> 00:25:18.400 And that was awesome. 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.220 You know, 1100 people come to the conference. 00:25:21.360 --> 00:25:27.880 We're, we're hoping for 2,500, uh, unique viewers across the four conferences. 00:25:28.560 --> 00:25:32.120 So anywhere from, you know, five to 600 people per conference. 00:25:33.040 --> 00:25:38.120 Um, I, and that's, I mean, that's an aggressive call. 00:25:38.560 --> 00:25:44.740 Uh, but at the same time, I mean, look at the nuances recovery. 00:25:45.520 --> 00:25:50.480 I mean, the average person that's interested in, in recovery is like a 40 to a 50 year old 00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:52.740 female, uh, which is interesting. 00:25:52.740 --> 00:25:56.040 And I don't know that was actually, it was a woman who told me that's that. 00:25:56.120 --> 00:26:01.460 So don't call me sexist, um, 40 to 50 year old female is interested in recovery. 00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:08.380 Gaming is a, is a 35, the average person interested in gaming is a 36, 37 year old 00:26:08.380 --> 00:26:15.080 male, uh, digital discipleships usually in their, you know, fifties, forties, fifties male. 00:26:16.180 --> 00:26:18.520 Um, Europe, I have no idea what the stats are there. 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:24.260 I mean, it's a pretty broad spectrum, uh, what I would say we're trying to get for this 00:26:24.260 --> 00:26:33.380 conference and I've been, I've been convicted, you know, we still, we still look a lot like 00:26:33.380 --> 00:26:34.220 this, right? 00:26:34.820 --> 00:26:38.320 Um, we're starting to get some other nationalities involved and that's awesome. 00:26:38.320 --> 00:26:41.280 Um, but we got it. 00:26:41.280 --> 00:26:47.660 We got to get away from the, from the bald white man with a beard, with facial hair. 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:49.280 Sorry, Andy. 00:26:49.460 --> 00:26:50.220 Sorry, J Mo. 00:26:50.360 --> 00:26:53.240 Sorry, everybody else that fits that bill. 00:26:54.020 --> 00:26:55.860 Um, white beard. 00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:57.600 Layton's got hair. 00:26:57.980 --> 00:26:58.840 Layton's got a little hair. 00:26:59.020 --> 00:27:00.300 So maybe that's, that's it. 00:27:01.040 --> 00:27:06.240 Um, so yeah, really excited about, about the conferences at hand. 00:27:06.980 --> 00:27:07.800 They're all free. 00:27:08.360 --> 00:27:13.980 All you got to do is visit the website missionary.digital, www.missionary.digital. 00:27:13.980 --> 00:27:17.820 And you can register for the conferences there online. 00:27:17.980 --> 00:27:20.820 Hit them all up in, in one fell swoop. 00:27:21.040 --> 00:27:23.640 Um, you register for one, you can go to all four. 00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:27.380 Check off the ones that you're interested in getting updates on. 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:28.100 That's fine. 00:27:28.100 --> 00:27:33.460 Uh, but if you register one, um, we'll give you access to all four. 00:27:33.540 --> 00:27:34.020 No problem. 00:27:34.120 --> 00:27:38.380 It just would get really confusing if we didn't do that, but excited about that. 00:27:39.520 --> 00:27:40.660 Um, be praying. 00:27:40.860 --> 00:27:45.640 I got, I got to start knocking on doors for sponsors, uh, tomorrow. 00:27:46.460 --> 00:27:47.540 So it's going to be good. 00:27:47.980 --> 00:27:57.360 Uh, now I tell you what, I sat down yesterday, chat GPT, chat GPT and I are, are, uh, are 00:27:57.360 --> 00:27:58.140 good friends now. 00:27:58.300 --> 00:28:04.540 You know, there was a time in my life that chat GPT and I were not on speaking terms. 00:28:05.420 --> 00:28:11.540 Um, I tried to ignore its existence and, uh, and now, I mean, I, I got to say, I probably 00:28:11.540 --> 00:28:14.600 use it 30, 40 times a day. 00:28:15.320 --> 00:28:18.720 Um, all the, all of my searches is, is chat GPT. 00:28:18.840 --> 00:28:23.580 Now, by the way, uh, Google is in search terms, Google's dead to me. 00:28:23.900 --> 00:28:26.940 Uh, and I love chat GPT search. 00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:32.400 Like, oh my gosh, like Google tells me what Google thinks. 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:33.120 I want to know. 00:28:33.820 --> 00:28:39.680 Chat GPT tells me exactly what I want to know, uh, and formats it exactly the way that I want 00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:40.320 it formatted. 00:28:40.800 --> 00:28:50.240 Uh, and so, you know, the Google SEO and the Google AdWords and the Google ad grant, well, 00:28:50.320 --> 00:28:52.360 that's like up in the air. 00:28:52.600 --> 00:28:59.240 Uh, and I know AI is, is, you know, bringing on a new paradigm and a new set of issues. 00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:06.260 And I watched matrix the other day and there's a ton of copper top battery jokes. 00:29:06.260 --> 00:29:10.440 I can probably insert here, um, from, from that movie. 00:29:10.840 --> 00:29:17.760 But, uh, the, the, the reality is, is that chat GPT is a, it's a force to be reckoned with. 00:29:17.980 --> 00:29:23.260 Now, for me yesterday, and this is the thing that I, that I found interesting. 00:29:23.780 --> 00:29:28.060 I, I believe this. 00:29:28.580 --> 00:29:35.420 I, to me, I don't use chat GPT to, um, for stuff I can do. 00:29:36.560 --> 00:29:38.060 It's just going to sound weird. 00:29:38.600 --> 00:29:42.180 Like, I'm not, I don't use it to be lazy. 00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:54.080 I, I use it to multiply what I'm doing, uh, to create more of it, uh, to put it into different 00:29:54.080 --> 00:29:59.900 frameworks or different models or different, um, and, and formats or structures. 00:30:00.380 --> 00:30:10.640 Uh, like, to me, it's, it's, I would look at, uh, AI, chat GPT, not as, um, do less work. 00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:13.220 I actually still would want to do the same amount of work. 00:30:13.280 --> 00:30:14.780 I just want to 10x the results. 00:30:15.340 --> 00:30:22.420 And so, helping that AI take me into a new realm or a new community or a new context or 00:30:22.420 --> 00:30:26.460 allowing me to discover something that's going to help in the ministry that I'm doing. 00:30:26.780 --> 00:30:34.960 That's, that's what I'm interested in, in AI for, is the, the contextualization that allows 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:35.860 for better multiplication. 00:30:37.320 --> 00:30:38.740 And I used that yesterday. 00:30:38.900 --> 00:30:40.640 Oh my gosh, I had so much fun yesterday. 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.760 Aside from watching, you know, how to train your dragon, which I'll get to in here in a 00:30:45.760 --> 00:30:46.040 little bit. 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:48.380 Um, I'll get to it now. 00:30:48.660 --> 00:30:49.320 It's a good, it's a good break. 00:30:50.180 --> 00:30:51.300 How to train your dragon. 00:30:51.460 --> 00:30:53.020 So I watched the, the live action. 00:30:53.620 --> 00:30:54.820 I watched the animation. 00:30:55.040 --> 00:30:56.080 I may have fallen asleep in it. 00:30:56.120 --> 00:30:58.080 My son gives me a hard time because I fell asleep in it. 00:30:58.320 --> 00:30:59.020 I watched two. 00:30:59.100 --> 00:30:59.840 I watched three. 00:31:00.540 --> 00:31:02.380 Um, I fell asleep in those movies too. 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:06.060 Like I, I just, I really liked the live action. 00:31:06.320 --> 00:31:10.900 Um, I felt like the live action made the action stronger. 00:31:11.500 --> 00:31:14.120 Uh, I felt like it made the story more real. 00:31:14.600 --> 00:31:24.460 And, and, and I gotta tell you, I, I've really caught more of the historical context and some 00:31:24.460 --> 00:31:31.580 of the challenge between the, uh, the Vikings and the son who's, you know, bringing on innovation, 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:38.540 who's bringing on design, who's bringing on really the industrial revolution, um, in, in 00:31:38.540 --> 00:31:41.640 the story because he's designing and crafting these things. 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.540 Uh, and he's, he's, uh, I'm not gonna, I don't want to, no spoilers. 00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:48.640 Um, and so, but it was, it was interesting. 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:57.340 Like, like I did not catch that paradigm, uh, the, the bifurcation of, of the two parties, 00:31:57.340 --> 00:32:02.580 uh, when I was watching the cartoon version of it, but I was watching the, the, you know, 00:32:02.580 --> 00:32:06.000 the human version, the, the real live, the live action version. 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.300 Oh my gosh, it was so rich. 00:32:08.620 --> 00:32:10.000 It was like jumping off the screen. 00:32:10.080 --> 00:32:11.080 It was painfully obvious. 00:32:11.180 --> 00:32:13.020 I was like, oh my, where, where was I? 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.140 What, did I really sleep that heavy? 00:32:15.540 --> 00:32:16.260 But it was really good. 00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:17.760 Really, really, really good. 00:32:17.800 --> 00:32:18.300 I enjoyed it. 00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:27.120 Um, I would say, you know, anytime you watch a movie or a story, I kind of felt this way 00:32:27.120 --> 00:32:27.640 with Moana. 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:39.680 Anytime you have, um, the old way and an individual that's championing the new way, to be honest, 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:46.280 I, I, I see a little bit of myself in that story, you know, um, the church digital doing 00:32:46.280 --> 00:32:50.520 something different to reach someone different church doesn't work that way. 00:32:50.580 --> 00:32:51.220 Yes, it does. 00:32:51.300 --> 00:32:55.840 Let me show you pioneering and training and inviting people to become digital missionaries. 00:32:55.840 --> 00:33:03.480 Like we can have that, that conversation, but anytime there's a rebel story, it's very 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.320 easy for me to be like, oh, I love this movie. 00:33:06.320 --> 00:33:08.540 Cause I just, I resonate so much with the storyline. 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.440 And so how to train your dragon, the live action was that for me. 00:33:14.520 --> 00:33:16.680 I didn't like so much. 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:19.720 Some of the, uh, some of the other kids that were in the movie. 00:33:20.420 --> 00:33:26.580 Like I felt like the animated dorky kids were better than the live action dorky kids. 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:36.720 Um, but yeah, uh, flat cap says, uh, I don't even know the last, uh, movie I saw in theaters 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:38.080 and maybe Chronicles of Narnia. 00:33:38.080 --> 00:33:38.540 Narnia. 00:33:41.060 --> 00:33:41.460 Wow. 00:33:42.060 --> 00:33:43.500 I couldn't live that life. 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:47.040 No, we don't see a lot of movies, but if it's Marvel, we'll see it. 00:33:47.080 --> 00:33:48.260 If it's Star Wars, we'll see it. 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.680 Uh, the new wicked looked really good. 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:57.340 Wicked part two, um, fantastic four looked really good. 00:33:57.940 --> 00:34:00.980 Uh, Superman, my son's really excited about the new DC. 00:34:00.980 --> 00:34:02.080 So we'll give it a shot. 00:34:02.320 --> 00:34:04.260 I mean, in James Gunn, we trust. 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.000 So, I mean, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll give it a fair shake. 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:08.420 See, see what happens. 00:34:08.660 --> 00:34:09.220 I don't know. 00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:09.580 I don't know. 00:34:09.620 --> 00:34:11.600 I would see maybe six movies a year. 00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:18.440 We have a membership to the AMC, you know, like not the A-lister, but the stubs, whatever, 00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:22.720 that gives us free upgrades and whatever. 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.640 We, we, we make it to enough movies to make it worthwhile, but I get it, man. 00:34:27.680 --> 00:34:38.000 Like, you know, we bought five movie tickets yesterday for a matinee and it was still like almost a hundred bucks. 00:34:40.040 --> 00:34:41.740 It's just, it's just expensive. 00:34:42.460 --> 00:34:44.600 And then that's not including the popcorn. 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:51.160 Uh, we had, um, coupons and it was still almost 40 bucks with coupons. 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:57.720 Um, but we did get free refills because we had the bonus perks. 00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.160 And like I said, we ate a lot of popcorn yesterday. 00:35:04.160 --> 00:35:06.740 Trace, trace buckets worth of popcorn. 00:35:07.220 --> 00:35:10.540 How do you say, how do you say buckets in Spanish? 00:35:11.720 --> 00:35:14.140 Hey Siri, how do you say buckets in Spanish? 00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:19.680 There is not a prayer that Siri is going to get that. 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:24.440 I don't know why I thought for one second, Siri would be like Chad GPT-esque. 00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:29.920 Has anybody noticed that you ever put like Siri and Chad GPT next to each other and you realize 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:36.260 one's like, you know, college doctorate level and one is like barely, you know, out of diapers, 00:35:36.620 --> 00:35:38.800 even though the other one's been around for like 20 years. 00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:41.040 It's kind of embarrassing. 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:43.160 Yeah. 00:35:45.740 --> 00:35:46.260 All right. 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:50.440 So I use Chad GPT, man, that was a tangent or two. 00:35:50.740 --> 00:35:56.940 I use Chad GPT to create some, um, proposals, some things we're working on in the future. 00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:02.160 And, um, you know, me, I, I, I, I loose lips sink ships. 00:36:02.380 --> 00:36:05.300 So let's just talk about it and sink some ships while we're at it. 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.240 Um, you know, uh, what was, what was it? 00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:13.760 Deanna, I used to have a, a girl that used to work with me, uh, Deanna Spillone. 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:19.740 And she used to say that, um, oh my gosh, I can't think of it. 00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:22.500 Um, secrets leak. 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:24.140 Don't leak the secret. 00:36:24.340 --> 00:36:24.940 There was some free. 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:25.940 She would always get mad at me. 00:36:26.240 --> 00:36:28.760 She'd be mad at me all the time for years. 00:36:28.980 --> 00:36:33.700 Cause, cause I, anytime some secret came to me, I, I would like just blabber that all over 00:36:33.700 --> 00:36:34.160 the place. 00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:35.800 You know, it's insider Jeff. 00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:36.680 No one's supposed to know that. 00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:37.220 Yeah, screw it. 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:37.820 Tell everybody. 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:38.460 It's, it's all right. 00:36:39.460 --> 00:36:48.200 Um, and so a couple of things to know, and this is, shh, don't tell anybody, but if you 00:36:48.200 --> 00:36:53.840 know, somebody wants to know this, let them tell, tell them I am, I'm starting a cohort 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.320 in the fall aimed at physical churches. 00:36:57.980 --> 00:36:58.680 Uh, you know what? 00:36:58.700 --> 00:37:03.060 I've had a, this is confession hour of Jeff at the church digital. 00:37:03.060 --> 00:37:07.720 I've had a, uh, love affair, hate affair, probably not the right word to say it. 00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:16.040 Um, I, physical churches and I just have not seen eye to eye in, in the, in the 25 years 00:37:16.040 --> 00:37:17.720 since I've been out of college. 00:37:18.380 --> 00:37:25.860 Um, I, I really just have a strong desire for, uh, us-based physical churches to be something 00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:26.420 they're not. 00:37:26.980 --> 00:37:33.280 Uh, and, uh, physical churches want something from me that I have not been historically able 00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:34.020 to give it. 00:37:34.500 --> 00:37:39.000 And so like, it, it just doesn't, doesn't work well. 00:37:39.740 --> 00:37:48.200 And, uh, as, as a result of that, um, I may be a little burned and this is, this is, I actually 00:37:48.200 --> 00:37:49.740 came to a realization for me. 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.460 It came to a head a couple of days ago, a couple of weeks ago. 00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:53.160 I was like, Hey, you know what? 00:37:53.180 --> 00:37:54.320 I may have some baggage. 00:37:54.780 --> 00:37:58.020 I may have some baggage with the physical church that we got to work out. 00:37:58.940 --> 00:38:04.220 And so since that realization, I'm starting to work it out, starting to have some conversations, 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:05.080 starting to flesh it. 00:38:05.140 --> 00:38:05.900 I don't know if you know this. 00:38:05.940 --> 00:38:07.220 This is one of the things from recovery. 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:13.460 When things are, when you're struggling with something, it is always better to talk about 00:38:13.460 --> 00:38:13.680 it. 00:38:14.120 --> 00:38:16.600 It is at no point in life. 00:38:16.600 --> 00:38:20.580 Is it a good idea to not talk about the thing that you're struggling with? 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:21.160 Okay. 00:38:21.160 --> 00:38:26.620 Maybe don't go up to your mother-in-law and confess your deepest, darkest sins, but find 00:38:26.620 --> 00:38:33.840 a way to have a conversation and put words to the thing that you're struggling with and 00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:36.220 watch what God does with those words. 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.700 Watch what God does with your heart through that process. 00:38:40.500 --> 00:38:42.160 And so it was, it was funny. 00:38:42.240 --> 00:38:44.000 Like this is the honest God truth. 00:38:44.080 --> 00:38:45.160 And I'll say it publicly. 00:38:45.160 --> 00:38:53.020 A couple, couple of weeks ago, I was, I was walking in on a Monday, Tuesday, and I was 00:38:53.020 --> 00:38:56.300 like, I think I'm a little depressed today. 00:38:56.900 --> 00:38:58.740 I think this week I'm a little depressed. 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:00.600 What's, what's Jeff, what's going on? 00:39:01.660 --> 00:39:03.560 What's, what's going on here with you? 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.400 And, um, I know it was Monday. 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:11.900 It was Monday and, um, I didn't tell anybody. 00:39:13.180 --> 00:39:15.560 And you know what happened by me not telling anybody. 00:39:17.220 --> 00:39:18.400 I'll give you two choices. 00:39:18.560 --> 00:39:19.600 Number one, it got better. 00:39:20.060 --> 00:39:21.200 Number two, it got worse. 00:39:21.260 --> 00:39:21.740 What do you think? 00:39:21.820 --> 00:39:23.560 Number two, it got worse. 00:39:23.620 --> 00:39:24.560 I didn't give you time to think. 00:39:25.180 --> 00:39:26.100 It got worse. 00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:28.000 The feelings got worse. 00:39:28.660 --> 00:39:35.040 And so Tuesday I walked in, I woke up feeling in a, in a worse state of depression, 24 hours 00:39:35.040 --> 00:39:40.000 later and, um, feeling that same pain. 00:39:40.740 --> 00:39:42.060 What did I do day two? 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:54.320 I started to talk to people, told a couple of, uh, TCD leaders, told a board member, told, 00:39:54.460 --> 00:40:07.760 told my wife and had just a really blank, um, had a really heartfelt, uh, honest, uh, no hold 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:08.140 back. 00:40:08.140 --> 00:40:11.820 I think that's what I was trying to say, uh, conversation around what I was feeling. 00:40:13.100 --> 00:40:13.820 I do. 00:40:13.900 --> 00:40:15.040 Do we solve the problem? 00:40:15.200 --> 00:40:15.440 No. 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.920 Is the problem still solved two weeks later? 00:40:18.020 --> 00:40:18.260 No. 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.340 Uh, would I say that I'm depressed because of it anymore? 00:40:22.540 --> 00:40:23.200 I am not. 00:40:24.580 --> 00:40:30.900 And that's, that's the thing is that sometimes when we think, um, we're going through our 00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:35.700 darkest, we're going through our hardest time, that's where we isolate ourselves. 00:40:35.900 --> 00:40:39.640 And, and really in those moments, we can't isolate ourselves. 00:40:39.640 --> 00:40:41.160 We need to lean into it. 00:40:41.180 --> 00:40:42.300 We need to be more open-handed. 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:43.720 We need to be more transparent. 00:40:43.720 --> 00:40:48.280 We need to invite people into our lives, into experience, especially as digital pastors, 00:40:48.660 --> 00:40:54.220 as digital pastors, as digital missionaries, it's very easy to isolate yourself in ministry, 00:40:54.520 --> 00:40:55.980 in relationships, physically. 00:40:56.420 --> 00:41:02.540 It's very easy to be, I mean, like I am, where I'm literally alone in my guest bedroom. 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.860 The other than the two dogs and while my son who's sick in the next room, there's nobody 00:41:06.860 --> 00:41:07.640 else in the house. 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:13.700 And so it's easy to isolate and hide yourself, uh, from the world, but we shouldn't do that. 00:41:14.020 --> 00:41:16.840 When we're, when we're struggling, we should be talking. 00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:20.680 We should be inviting others into that experience. 00:41:21.200 --> 00:41:27.840 We should be honestly showing some transparency, which allows others to engage with us. 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:32.720 The more transparency we show digitally, the more endearing it makes us, the easier it is 00:41:32.720 --> 00:41:35.020 for people to grasp onto who we are. 00:41:37.560 --> 00:41:44.960 And so this cohort that we're, we're doing came out of this idea of, man, I'm struggling 00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:45.540 right now. 00:41:46.580 --> 00:41:50.820 I'm struggling and, and I gotta, I gotta find ways to get through it. 00:41:50.900 --> 00:41:56.300 So I gotta get on the same page as physical churches, um, together. 00:41:56.300 --> 00:42:00.100 Like we need to have, you know, collectively physical churches and I need to have a come 00:42:00.100 --> 00:42:00.840 to Jesus moment. 00:42:02.620 --> 00:42:08.700 And, you know, I don't, to this day, I don't think I can give what the majority of physical 00:42:08.700 --> 00:42:09.500 churches can do. 00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:10.060 What? 00:42:11.420 --> 00:42:18.080 I don't, I don't, I don't think it's in me, but I can do something. 00:42:18.940 --> 00:42:20.740 And that's what this cohort is going to be. 00:42:20.860 --> 00:42:25.080 We're, we're, we're doing a physical church cohort, uh, where essentially I want to launch 00:42:25.080 --> 00:42:27.860 outposts inside physical churches. 00:42:27.860 --> 00:42:33.560 I want to meet a handful of churches that are interested in developing as part of their 00:42:33.560 --> 00:42:34.540 discipleship strategy. 00:42:34.540 --> 00:42:40.760 They're interested in planting and starting a digital discipleship system in their church. 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:45.820 Cause I want to start to equip and mobilize people to be digital, uh, missionaries in physical 00:42:45.820 --> 00:42:46.260 churches. 00:42:46.560 --> 00:42:47.000 Crazy. 00:42:47.120 --> 00:42:48.880 I know, but I'm used to talking crazy. 00:42:50.700 --> 00:42:52.360 That's just one of the things that we're doing. 00:42:54.420 --> 00:42:59.780 Uh, just signed literally before I jumped on this call today, signed the contract with, 00:42:59.780 --> 00:43:03.680 uh, Nobe, G N O W B E. 00:43:04.060 --> 00:43:08.740 That's going to be our, uh, L M S learning management system solution. 00:43:09.220 --> 00:43:14.220 Uh, Nobe is going to be our, um, our equipping library platform. 00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:20.000 And so EDM equipping digital missionaries, uh, the sharing Jesus online course. 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:25.480 There's, uh, honestly, my hope is to have six or seven courses online by the end of the 00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:25.780 year. 00:43:30.980 --> 00:43:42.260 Um, you know, we've got, uh, the church digital, if we were to really look at it, you know, 00:43:42.260 --> 00:43:46.420 this is what, uh, you know, we've done 340 some streams here. 00:43:46.560 --> 00:43:51.980 At least I have with, uh, the church digital podcast, you know, Tom has given us a lot of 00:43:51.980 --> 00:43:55.760 his stuff from, uh, sidekick. 00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:04.660 And so he's got three or 400 of those, um, not including from text to testimony and some 00:44:04.660 --> 00:44:10.220 of those other shows that, that, that existed, man, I bet, I bet we've got, I don't think 00:44:10.220 --> 00:44:19.040 we've got a thousand, but we've got eight to 900 hours of, of content that exists digitally. 00:44:20.820 --> 00:44:25.160 What would it look like if we curated some of that in this online courses that became a 00:44:25.160 --> 00:44:29.480 more tangible resource to equip people to be digital missionaries? 00:44:31.600 --> 00:44:38.200 Like I, I've really long to give missionaries the information they're looking for. 00:44:38.200 --> 00:44:44.800 Now, what the equipping digital missionaries is, it's, it's, it's great theoretical, it's 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:48.900 great head, it's great missional, uh, but it's not practical. 00:44:49.720 --> 00:44:51.780 Uh, the outposts are practical. 00:44:52.420 --> 00:44:57.300 Uh, and we want to use these courses that we're developing to compliment what's happening 00:44:57.300 --> 00:45:04.620 at the outpost level to help you all become better, more efficient, uh, digital missionaries 00:45:04.620 --> 00:45:07.700 here in, in America, as well as globally. 00:45:13.900 --> 00:45:20.300 You know, one of the other things we're working on right now, this one was fun for me because 00:45:20.300 --> 00:45:21.260 this was town hall. 00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.320 I'll go ahead and say this because there's parts of this. 00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:26.940 That's like, yeah, this is a slam dunk. 00:45:26.940 --> 00:45:27.660 And there's parts of this. 00:45:27.740 --> 00:45:30.480 It's like, yeah, Jeff, this ain't, it's not ready for prime time. 00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:38.220 And so, um, I, um, we did the town hall meeting. 00:45:41.680 --> 00:45:47.060 I went back, you know, I talk about how, Hey, the town hall meetings really help us shape 00:45:47.060 --> 00:45:48.840 what we do with the church digital. 00:45:49.220 --> 00:45:52.740 Like we're not just waxing, uh, apologetic here. 00:45:52.740 --> 00:45:55.160 Like it really does shape what we're doing. 00:45:55.220 --> 00:46:01.840 The digital missions, uh, digital missionary conference was in fact influenced by the town 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:02.420 hall meeting. 00:46:02.420 --> 00:46:07.140 It was, it was mentioned on, on a town hall meeting that we needed to do a conference. 00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:20.100 And, um, one of the things that came out of the most recent town hall meeting was the idea 00:46:20.100 --> 00:46:28.940 of, um, Hey Jeff, I know you pivoted the digital missionary work and that's been awesome. 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:36.140 But really, since you pivoted to digital missionary, you don't talk much about digital churches 00:46:36.140 --> 00:46:37.660 or digital church planting at all. 00:46:37.780 --> 00:46:38.840 Like it's all missionaries. 00:46:39.040 --> 00:46:40.500 It's, it's not, it's not planting. 00:46:41.700 --> 00:46:48.180 How, um, like, can you, does that need to change? 00:46:48.240 --> 00:46:48.840 Can you help? 00:46:48.900 --> 00:46:51.500 Like what, what, what can you do towards that? 00:46:53.980 --> 00:46:55.700 I, to this day, I don't know who said that. 00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:58.500 I, I, I don't think the commentary came with the name. 00:46:59.220 --> 00:47:01.540 Um, but the person is not wrong. 00:47:02.720 --> 00:47:05.840 Like we did pivot and, and, and I don't regret the pivot. 00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:10.940 The pivot was the right move, but it was, it's, it's interesting. 00:47:10.940 --> 00:47:20.740 The pivot left a void and the void was for, um, digital churches, digital church planting. 00:47:21.060 --> 00:47:24.280 And to be honest, the, the void was also physical churches. 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:29.760 Don't talk, talk and void, like, you know, the bad guy from Thunderbolts, but more of 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:37.240 the absence, um, with the pivot, it left an absence for digital church planting and physical 00:47:37.240 --> 00:47:39.500 churches doing digital ministry. 00:47:40.200 --> 00:47:45.820 Cause those were the people also that we were connected with, but with the pivot, they didn't 00:47:45.820 --> 00:47:47.040 have any place else to go. 00:47:47.040 --> 00:47:51.700 And so they ended up unsubscribing and cutting bait and, and, and running away. 00:47:53.600 --> 00:47:54.840 Well, we want to lean back. 00:47:54.900 --> 00:48:00.740 Like I said, we want to start to, to really embrace the idea of digital missions work at 00:48:00.740 --> 00:48:01.800 physical churches. 00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:05.980 Like that is the olive branch I'm bringing. 00:48:06.160 --> 00:48:12.500 If you're serious about, uh, digital evangelism and discipleship, come hang out with us. 00:48:12.500 --> 00:48:14.580 If you're a physical church, come hang out with us. 00:48:14.580 --> 00:48:15.520 There's an opportunity. 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:23.360 Um, if you want me to help you figure out how to make your stream better, it's not really 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:23.840 my jam. 00:48:24.040 --> 00:48:26.400 I mean, I can introduce you to Garrett. 00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:28.240 Garrett can take care of that for you. 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:38.820 And so the idea of re-engaging with digital churches, we need to do that. 00:48:39.640 --> 00:48:46.880 And it was funny, right, right about the time we have the town hall meeting, we had a conversation 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:52.320 to onboard, uh, and to create a digital micro church outpost. 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:59.040 And, and, and so we talked to Micah Bales, who's leading a digital micro church right now. 00:48:59.460 --> 00:49:03.020 And it's actually in the process of planting one and said, Hey, you know, why don't you 00:49:03.020 --> 00:49:04.380 create an outpost? 00:49:04.500 --> 00:49:05.440 He loved EDM. 00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.440 He loves networking and connecting with people. 00:49:08.680 --> 00:49:14.220 And I was like, why don't you create an outpost and just for people that are wanting to do the 00:49:14.220 --> 00:49:15.460 digital micro strategy? 00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:26.620 Well, you know, as, as he and I started talking, a digital micro made less sense and digital 00:49:26.620 --> 00:49:29.320 churches overall made a lot of sense. 00:49:31.620 --> 00:49:43.780 And so we are going to be launching in, in fall right around the corner, a digital church 00:49:43.780 --> 00:49:44.500 outpost. 00:49:46.020 --> 00:49:54.460 And so if you are doing anything in the digital or virtual space, we, we want to hang out with 00:49:54.460 --> 00:49:54.580 you. 00:49:54.660 --> 00:49:55.780 We want to create an outpost. 00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:00.720 We want to connect you with others that are doing in this space to, to inspire, to cast 00:50:00.720 --> 00:50:06.720 vision and to create learnings that can help the next generation of planters be successful 00:50:06.720 --> 00:50:08.380 as this generation is. 00:50:08.460 --> 00:50:09.080 So will the next. 00:50:09.180 --> 00:50:15.040 And so what can we do for peer to peer support to help today's generation of planters be successful? 00:50:15.340 --> 00:50:17.240 So the next generation will as well. 00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:21.840 That is the way we roll with the church digital. 00:50:23.980 --> 00:50:29.680 You know, we, we listen and when it makes sense, which more often than not, it does. 00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:31.120 I surround myself as smart people. 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:31.900 Thank you. 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.300 Uh, we, we do it. 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:39.000 We do what they tell them to do, you know, and this is really talking about 26. 00:50:41.100 --> 00:50:50.360 I think this is what the, I think this is the future of where we're going. 00:50:51.700 --> 00:50:53.300 You know, it's, it's interesting. 00:50:53.300 --> 00:51:02.540 The, the church digital is, uh, right now, I would say it's a top down led ecosystem. 00:51:03.980 --> 00:51:06.660 I am the visionary. 00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:07.960 I'm the leader. 00:51:08.560 --> 00:51:15.840 I, you know, what, what I say goes, I don't, I don't like that, but that's one of the things 00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:24.340 that I'm learning in a, in a, in a, uh, bifurcated in a fractional leader role in a, um, you know, 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:26.180 a volunteer led organization. 00:51:26.500 --> 00:51:30.160 It needs a strong vision to be successful. 00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:41.380 Um, and that voice is coming from me right now, but I think there's another opportunity and 00:51:41.380 --> 00:51:45.500 this is something I've been, I've been struggling with, but love your, your, your take on it. 00:51:46.080 --> 00:51:50.500 And, um, yeah, Steve, Steve's saying, uh, it's been almost an hour. 00:51:50.580 --> 00:51:51.240 I think it's nap time. 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:52.740 Dude, I'm telling you, I'm exhausted. 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:59.880 Uh, I didn't sleep well last night and, um, I, I will, I'll hang up off this stream and 00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:00.820 I'll, I'll go take a nap. 00:52:03.640 --> 00:52:05.320 But I do want to say this. 00:52:05.560 --> 00:52:15.660 Um, I've been working on this, the church digital, my hope for the church digital. 00:52:16.540 --> 00:52:22.380 Is, you know, we, I say we learn a lot from the, the micro church, small and decentralized, 00:52:22.660 --> 00:52:24.580 small and decentralized, small and decentralized. 00:52:24.580 --> 00:52:30.140 That's what I wanted the church digital to become a series, a network of small and decentralized. 00:52:34.580 --> 00:52:43.440 But instead we've got, you know, 1100 missionaries large and we're in a situation where it's leadership 00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.160 from the top down, which is not decentralized. 00:52:46.160 --> 00:52:48.180 It's actual centralized. 00:52:48.540 --> 00:52:54.240 You know, the board technically is about me, but me and I tell leadership what to do and 00:52:54.240 --> 00:52:54.860 they do it. 00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:04.180 And then that trickles down to the outpost leaders and down in the next six months. 00:53:05.240 --> 00:53:11.500 In the next nine months, by this time next year, I'm, I'm saying this on video to hold me 00:53:11.500 --> 00:53:11.840 to it. 00:53:12.160 --> 00:53:21.080 I want to flip the script where I'm not on top pushing vision down. 00:53:21.940 --> 00:53:24.860 Here, here's what I, here's what I believe. 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:29.340 And this is a lesson that my friends over at church project taught me. 00:53:29.420 --> 00:53:31.180 Jason Shepard told me this once. 00:53:32.240 --> 00:53:36.000 His most recent stream that he did with me is probably a year or two ago. 00:53:40.040 --> 00:53:43.140 In order to have a decentralized movement, that's manageable. 00:53:43.300 --> 00:53:47.800 You have to have a centralized, uh, you have to have some aspects that are centralized. 00:53:50.200 --> 00:53:59.040 Now what that is can depend, but a true decentralized, a true decentralized movement would be like chickens 00:53:59.040 --> 00:54:00.480 running around with their heads cut off. 00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.680 It's not going to be sustainable and it's not going to be multiplicative. 00:54:05.540 --> 00:54:15.100 Um, and so in order to give everybody can, the ability to do what they want, they need to know 00:54:15.100 --> 00:54:21.420 the boundaries with which they can experiment and explore and do something different. 00:54:21.660 --> 00:54:28.840 And they, and then we also need to figure out what is central, what is consistent, what are we, 00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:29.600 what are we doing? 00:54:30.600 --> 00:54:39.380 Um, and so that's why we did the framework, connect community, quit mobilized, because that's, 00:54:39.380 --> 00:54:48.900 was a very basic framework that gave freedom to the EDM leaders, to the outpost leaders, 00:54:48.900 --> 00:54:52.860 to whoever, to adapt and contextualize as they saw fit. 00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:58.020 But how Simon would adapt it is different than how Utope would adapt it. 00:54:58.240 --> 00:55:01.480 It was funny, Utope, what's that me? 00:55:01.680 --> 00:55:04.480 Utope, Utope, I'm going to, I'm going to out you right here, man. 00:55:05.060 --> 00:55:06.640 Uh, he watched at me this morning. 00:55:06.720 --> 00:55:10.180 He says, Hey, I'm thinking about doing something. 00:55:10.620 --> 00:55:14.120 Um, and, and I think it may conflict with the church digital. 00:55:15.560 --> 00:55:19.240 And, and I kind of, I kind of chuckled and I was like, dude, there's nothing you're going 00:55:19.240 --> 00:55:19.500 to do. 00:55:19.560 --> 00:55:23.060 That's going to like conflict with the church digital. 00:55:23.060 --> 00:55:24.240 But what, what do you think? 00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:24.960 What are you thinking? 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:30.780 And, um, and, and he told me because he's, he's getting ready to launch a framework on something 00:55:30.780 --> 00:55:33.240 that the church digital does not have a framework on. 00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:36.520 And I'm like, go for it. 00:55:36.640 --> 00:55:42.820 I mean, that doesn't, you have freedom to explore and you have freedom even to a change the framework 00:55:42.820 --> 00:55:43.980 that I'm giving you. 00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:49.540 Like there's some level of, of, of open handedness, even on our side towards this. 00:55:49.740 --> 00:55:54.780 But to say, um, you've got the freedom to do whatever you want. 00:55:54.780 --> 00:56:03.320 Well, I mean, if you want to do a physical church plant, I don't know that that really 00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:05.280 makes sense with the church digital. 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:10.140 If you wanted to do a, uh, dinner church, I don't know that really makes sense with the 00:56:10.140 --> 00:56:10.580 church digital. 00:56:10.700 --> 00:56:14.900 Like there's some things that, that are inherently the, the, the church digital. 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:22.980 Um, and, and so we need to have a level of standardization, but with that standardization 00:56:22.980 --> 00:56:24.240 comes flexibility. 00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:32.820 And with that standardization comes the opportunity to, uh, adapt, to contextualize, uh, to see 00:56:32.820 --> 00:56:33.800 things differently. 00:56:36.300 --> 00:56:40.640 You see, we've been top down for the past year. 00:56:41.160 --> 00:56:44.340 Really, we've been digital missionary for a year. 00:56:44.720 --> 00:56:50.000 About this time last year was when Layton would know, um, you know, we started talking crazy 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:51.340 about moving to digital missionary. 00:56:54.780 --> 00:56:59.640 And for the past year, I have been, I'll call myself out. 00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:09.020 I've been driving to build out the framework and to establish the departments, but in the 00:57:09.020 --> 00:57:13.900 very near future, it's going to flip. 00:57:15.200 --> 00:57:19.440 And the outposts instead of me are going to be on top. 00:57:21.860 --> 00:57:29.940 The decentralized networks, the missionaries in the field, the EDM graduates, the, uh, the 00:57:29.940 --> 00:57:32.900 people that are on our network that we're equipping and empowering. 00:57:35.140 --> 00:57:37.160 These are the ones that are going to be in charge. 00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:43.360 It is not going to be the Jeffrey show. 00:57:43.700 --> 00:57:44.620 It can't be. 00:57:45.240 --> 00:57:50.180 I'm a white bald man with a beard who lives in Miami, Florida. 00:57:50.700 --> 00:57:56.400 Like this is not the face of, of what is represented globally or digitally. 00:57:57.060 --> 00:58:00.900 I mean, the, the average, what was the saying? 00:58:01.020 --> 00:58:08.120 The average Christian in the globe is a, is a 40 year old African woman. 00:58:08.780 --> 00:58:14.020 Um, I think that was something that Lizanne told me recently, like, this is not the face 00:58:14.020 --> 00:58:16.940 of, of the typical Christian or the typical missionary. 00:58:17.640 --> 00:58:25.660 Um, and so I think it's important for us to realize that where we're going with the church 00:58:25.660 --> 00:58:29.480 digital is to empower these individual networks up top. 00:58:29.540 --> 00:58:36.200 What Simon's doing, what Utope's doing, what, um, what Micah Bales is launching with digital 00:58:36.200 --> 00:58:41.560 churches, what, uh, Leighton's doing with gaming, what, you know, I can just rattle on what Steve's 00:58:41.560 --> 00:58:42.640 doing with legacy. 00:58:43.420 --> 00:58:44.120 So funny. 00:58:44.220 --> 00:58:48.120 Leighton told me the other day, he says, cause we were talking about whether the church digital 00:58:48.120 --> 00:58:49.580 will still, was still innovative. 00:58:50.300 --> 00:58:52.120 And Leighton's like, are you kidding me? 00:58:52.560 --> 00:58:59.660 Steve Reed just launched, uh, um, a digital missionary outpost aimed at boomers. 00:59:00.420 --> 00:59:05.600 Like that may be the most innovative idea, crazy idea I've ever heard of. 00:59:05.600 --> 00:59:12.320 A missionary net digital missionary network for boomers who would come up with that idea. 00:59:12.460 --> 00:59:12.600 Okay. 00:59:12.640 --> 00:59:18.080 That was technically me honestly, cause I was trying to figure out some way to resource my 00:59:18.080 --> 00:59:19.560 mother who wanted to be a digital missionary. 00:59:19.560 --> 00:59:20.200 Who's a boomer? 00:59:21.260 --> 00:59:21.880 Hi mom. 00:59:21.940 --> 00:59:22.280 Love you. 00:59:25.240 --> 00:59:30.120 The, the fact is that 26, we want to give power to the Steve's. 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:38.040 We want to give power to the Simons, to the Etopes, uh, to the Micas, to the Josh's, to 00:59:38.040 --> 00:59:38.800 the Leighton's. 00:59:40.180 --> 00:59:44.960 Um, I, myself, I, you know, I need to be in a position where I can resource and help them, 00:59:45.060 --> 00:59:46.880 which I'm already doing. 00:59:47.520 --> 00:59:54.020 These three or four, these three or four, uh, projects that we're working on. 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:58.100 I only told you a couple of proposals, a couple of them. 00:59:58.160 --> 00:59:58.980 I'm not ready to say yet. 01:00:00.060 --> 01:00:05.380 Um, I've already got the outpost leaders in place. 01:00:06.140 --> 01:00:13.500 Two of the four were from direct outpost leader conversation saying, Jeff, why don't we do 01:00:13.500 --> 01:00:13.960 this? 01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:18.480 And I said, if I can get it built for you, would you run it? 01:00:18.560 --> 01:00:20.500 And they said, yes, cool. 01:00:20.600 --> 01:00:24.000 I'm going to build it with you and you'll get the keys when we're done. 01:00:25.220 --> 01:00:30.700 And, and I'm doing that for a season to get central teams and others ready to, to manage 01:00:30.700 --> 01:00:38.560 it, but realize where we're going is going to be to empower the outpost leaders. 01:00:41.600 --> 01:00:50.240 What's the book, uh, actually I've not read the book, but leaders eat last, um, you know, 01:00:50.240 --> 01:00:55.040 at the end of the day, there's, there's a lot that humbly, I don't know. 01:00:55.540 --> 01:01:01.180 And, and I would rather empower and listen to people who are in the field and help them 01:01:01.180 --> 01:01:07.480 do what God's calling them to do than to draw more attention to what I think is right or 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:07.900 best. 01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:09.700 I love this stream. 01:01:11.200 --> 01:01:12.080 I'm even okay. 01:01:12.080 --> 01:01:18.520 If this stream stops, like I I'd rather empower somebody else at 47. 01:01:18.520 --> 01:01:19.580 I'm kind of curious. 01:01:19.660 --> 01:01:21.420 What's the next face of the church digital? 01:01:21.560 --> 01:01:22.160 Who is it? 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:23.820 Where are we going with this thing? 01:01:24.460 --> 01:01:27.920 And so, you know, what is 26 look like? 01:01:29.180 --> 01:01:30.500 We're going to flip the script. 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:35.540 And the outposts are going to be positioned at top. 01:01:36.380 --> 01:01:38.080 And so I would welcome you. 01:01:39.820 --> 01:01:43.500 If you want to really want to be a part of what the church digital is doing in the very 01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:44.120 near future. 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:49.780 Well, the best way to get in to an outpost is to get connected into equipping digital 01:01:49.780 --> 01:01:50.860 missionaries, EDM. 01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:57.820 So go check out the church.digital slash EDM equipping digital missionaries, EDM. 01:01:58.340 --> 01:02:06.340 We're getting ready in August to launch a five week course on our new LMS platform, Nobi, 01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:15.540 where you'll get to learn how to be a digital missionary and get connected into a outpost into a regional 01:02:15.540 --> 01:02:22.480 network, a peer-to-peer network where we can help people like you learn how to be more effective 01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:23.440 digital missionaries. 01:02:26.700 --> 01:02:27.780 This is interesting. 01:02:27.980 --> 01:02:28.300 All right. 01:02:28.700 --> 01:02:29.660 Let's see where this goes. 01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:34.760 According to AI, the largest share of Christians live in Sub-Saharan South Africa, 31%. 01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:35.460 Yes. 01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:37.600 Latin Caribbean region, 24. 01:02:38.060 --> 01:02:41.620 I'm assuming they consider Catholics, Christians, which works for me. 01:02:41.980 --> 01:02:43.860 And Europe, 22. 01:02:44.600 --> 01:02:47.520 Internet speed, statistics, I don't know what that is. 01:02:47.580 --> 01:02:49.720 But yeah, I would buy that, Steve. 01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:51.820 That makes sense. 01:02:52.260 --> 01:02:59.740 Which is where they get the average Christian today is African-American female, Sub-Saharan 01:02:59.740 --> 01:03:00.860 Africa. 01:03:04.100 --> 01:03:05.120 It's interesting. 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:12.440 Even the word Sub-Saharan Africa, I don't think Africans understand the Sub-Saharan Africa 01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:12.980 language. 01:03:13.660 --> 01:03:14.860 I ran into that the other day. 01:03:16.020 --> 01:03:17.380 But yeah, that's a thing. 01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:24.480 Like I said, y'all, we are chill today. 01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:25.460 Down low. 01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:27.860 Kind of relaxed a little bit. 01:03:28.380 --> 01:03:29.240 Maybe more so. 01:03:29.640 --> 01:03:30.540 Leighton, Steve. 01:03:30.580 --> 01:03:31.540 It was great to hang out with you. 01:03:31.580 --> 01:03:34.000 Thanks for chatting this thing up. 01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:39.020 Those of you watching on demand, feel free to leave a comment, subscribe while you're on YouTube 01:03:39.020 --> 01:03:41.800 and questions, hit me up. 01:03:42.240 --> 01:03:45.640 But coming up, let me look real quick. 01:03:46.680 --> 01:03:49.840 I mean, shoot, if you stuck around this long, what's a little longer, right? 01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:51.740 Let's see. 01:03:51.740 --> 01:03:51.760 Let's see. 01:03:51.820 --> 01:03:52.440 Next week. 01:04:05.940 --> 01:04:07.140 I can't read that. 01:04:07.140 --> 01:04:12.920 Oh, we're talking Justin Suter from a crew. 01:04:14.200 --> 01:04:15.980 We're talking with crew again. 01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:20.260 Justin Suter, who's head of God Tools. 01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:25.540 And so excited to talk through the tools, the features that they've got. 01:04:25.660 --> 01:04:36.900 I'll tell you, God Tools straight up, some really interesting, really powerful tools that can help people like you do ministry in digital space. 01:04:37.040 --> 01:04:37.900 And by the way, it's free. 01:04:38.380 --> 01:04:43.500 And so check out the podcast, Justin Suter, next week. 01:04:43.560 --> 01:04:44.880 We'll be doing some screen shares. 01:04:45.300 --> 01:04:50.740 You'll be seeing this, the conversations firsthand, and you're going to love it. 01:04:52.300 --> 01:04:56.260 But until then, this is Jeff with The Church Digital. 01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:00.660 Thanks for hanging out with us today on the stream. 01:05:00.980 --> 01:05:02.460 And we'll see you next time on the show. 01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:03.960 Y'all have a good one.