WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.480 all right hey everybody welcome to the church a digital podcast episode 346 346 we got 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:20.120 mr pete hanging out with us alabama here punkin center is where he's at pisto pete if you don't 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:26.460 know is uh is uh our virtual reality one of our virtual reality guys he hangs out he does a lot 00:00:26.460 --> 00:00:33.040 of our streams in the big screen and so yeah we're broadcasting streaming live on youtube right now 00:00:33.040 --> 00:00:40.360 mondays 2 p.m and we're also uh in virtual reality thank you uh mr for getting us in in the big screen 00:00:40.360 --> 00:00:47.860 uh jonah is is coming in well yay justin yeah we've got uh justin uh right around the corner 00:00:47.860 --> 00:00:55.460 excited for uh justin suitor gonna intro him officially oh well jonah's listening in from 00:00:55.460 --> 00:01:01.240 the philippines so hey we got somebody literally on the opposite side of the planet for me uh man 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:07.500 it's what is it like 1 a.m in the philippines somewhere around there uh jonah thanks for uh 00:01:07.500 --> 00:01:13.500 thanks for staying up late uh you know what if uh it's a smart world there are a lot of smart people 00:01:13.500 --> 00:01:21.480 in the world and i know the earth is not flat okay i know this but if somebody can figure out how to 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:29.220 solve the time zone issue so that we can be on like the same time zone that'd be nice i'm just saying 00:01:29.220 --> 00:01:35.920 like the whole time zones continent you know it's just it's it's it's starting to get annoying i i just 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:39.880 in my my feelings i don't know maybe maybe you agree with me maybe not hey welcome to the church 00:01:39.880 --> 00:01:47.440 digital podcast uh i'm excited we're continuing on this season of uh empowering tools uh what no 00:01:47.440 --> 00:01:54.860 equipping tools empowering uh partners my gosh i i every time i do the title of the season it's 00:01:54.860 --> 00:02:00.780 something new it's something about empowering equipping tools and partners mesh all those words 00:02:00.780 --> 00:02:09.440 together and you got what we're doing here peasant says that the time zone struggle is real feels like 00:02:09.440 --> 00:02:16.720 time travel that's it does it really really really really really does uh by the way you may hear some 00:02:16.720 --> 00:02:22.560 uh excited yelping in the background um my uh my mother-in-law just showed up at the house which is 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:28.280 awesome we knew she was coming coming to stay with us for a couple days and my dog um well let's just be 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:35.680 honest my dog loves my mother-in-law more than anyone else period my mother-in-law doesn't feed the dog 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:41.940 might to walk the dog or you know pay for the vet bills but the dog loves the mother-in-law more than 00:02:41.940 --> 00:02:48.140 anyone else in the in the family so that is happening right as we speak right around the corner hey listen 00:02:48.140 --> 00:02:54.960 um with this uh empowering season uh we're highlighting some different tools that are out there to help 00:02:54.960 --> 00:03:00.860 people like you digital missionaries like you be more effective uh in in your ministry and it's 00:03:00.860 --> 00:03:06.920 interesting there are some really incredible tools and resources out there that that to be honest we 00:03:06.920 --> 00:03:12.260 were i was talking about this with justin offline that a lot of us don't even know exist and and rather 00:03:12.260 --> 00:03:18.760 than than just uh forgetting about it letting all this work go to waste this season where we're highlighting 00:03:18.760 --> 00:03:24.300 some of what's out there and and drawing attention to it speaking of things that are out there that we should 00:03:24.300 --> 00:03:32.020 be drawing attention to let's not forget the digital missionary summits are back uh so we did a digital 00:03:32.020 --> 00:03:37.720 missionary conference we had 1100 people day of from 80 countries around the world even philippines 00:03:37.720 --> 00:03:43.120 was represented jonah was uh was proud actually we actually have a strong presence in the philippines 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:49.900 forever uh that whatever reason that is but uh we had that was back in april and we're doing another 00:03:49.900 --> 00:03:59.160 series of of summits uh this fall starting uh september 17th we're doing a digital neighborhoods conference 00:03:59.160 --> 00:04:08.680 september 24th on digital christ-centered recovery uh october 1st we're doing uh a european digital 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:15.460 missionary conference highlighting ministry that's happening in on on the continent of europe and then 00:04:15.460 --> 00:04:23.760 october 8th we're highlighting um gaming uh what it is to be a digital missionary and resources for 00:04:23.760 --> 00:04:30.200 uh missionaries in the digital gaming in the gaming space digital gaming's implied i don't know if 00:04:30.200 --> 00:04:37.340 anybody really wants to be uh a missionary using like the board game monopoly i'm sure somebody does i that 00:04:37.340 --> 00:04:44.000 was that was presumptuous on my part i apologize all the missionaries out there that are are monopoly 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:52.440 addicts i totally schooled my family the other day on monopoly it was bad like i just i took them to town 00:04:52.440 --> 00:04:57.360 it was you know it was so bad it was like i'm never playing monopoly again it was it was that good it's 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:02.880 like i'm gonna go out on a high because there's no way i would ever be able to recreate what i just did 00:05:02.880 --> 00:05:07.440 in that in that moment just mere mere days ago all right so hey listen with the digital missionary 00:05:07.440 --> 00:05:13.080 conference it's a free conference that's out there allowing people like you to uh to engage in the 00:05:13.080 --> 00:05:20.160 resources meet people be encouraged being be inspired maybe maybe find some uh accountability some 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:27.800 camaraderie in in what's out there and and even find ways to take next steps in in your digital uh 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:37.080 missionary life uh we want to provide uh tools and resources uh to help you do that to help you uh get 00:05:37.080 --> 00:05:42.840 connected and uh stay connected and get equipped uh to do the work that god's calling you to do some more 00:05:42.840 --> 00:05:51.700 information on that swing over to missionary.digital www.missionary.digital we'll have more on that in 00:05:51.700 --> 00:06:01.640 the days to come uh yeah jonah jonah's i am on your tomorrow now how crazy is that yeah i can i can 00:06:01.640 --> 00:06:07.840 appreciate that so what you're telling me jonah is the end of the world did not happen on tuesday 00:06:07.840 --> 00:06:17.260 i'm holding you to this we at least make it to tuesday so we're good after that it's up in the air 00:06:17.260 --> 00:06:23.660 we'll see what happens cool hey so let's uh let's get into this uh we have i'm trying to think in recent 00:06:23.660 --> 00:06:33.100 weeks uh we've had uh crm databases crm uh we've had databases uh come on uh tools software tools 00:06:33.100 --> 00:06:39.340 that are running like a crm database we've had artificial intelligence tools uh we've had reporting 00:06:39.340 --> 00:06:48.440 tools using air table and things like just a number of different tools we've had um websites that that do a 00:06:48.440 --> 00:06:56.780 lot of evangelism uh that are um evangelism uh resources that are very effective and in this 00:06:56.780 --> 00:07:05.200 week we're going to highlight a a a witnessing and evangelism tool mobile app that that you all can 00:07:05.200 --> 00:07:11.520 use that people can use to to share jesus digitally and so let me go and bring into the conversation 00:07:11.520 --> 00:07:17.900 justin suitor hey justin hey how are you jeff thanks for having me doing doing great thanks for 00:07:17.900 --> 00:07:25.880 thanks for coming on so justin is one of the uh product owners over at uh crew i'm curious i'm going to 00:07:25.880 --> 00:07:32.080 talk a little bit about crew here in a little bit uh but he he oversees uh is the product leader of of god 00:07:32.080 --> 00:07:38.580 tools as well as some other other resources and so justin before we get into like the uh the god tools 00:07:38.580 --> 00:07:44.320 aspect i'm just curious let's just open up with this uh like talk to me a little bit about like the 00:07:44.320 --> 00:07:53.560 culture of crew as as we've been talking about uh equipping tools and empowering ministry missions 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:59.880 work digitally uh honestly i just find myself having a lot of conversations with crew people 00:07:59.880 --> 00:08:06.960 like y'all get it in in a big way which is kind of impressive to me uh what's the culture like over 00:08:06.960 --> 00:08:11.420 they're working are you are you in florida over at those offices or where are you based out of 00:08:11.420 --> 00:08:20.460 i had ye old headquarters here um in uh orlando florida yeah i mean so i guess if it's helpful um 00:08:20.460 --> 00:08:26.860 i always feel like i have an outside perspective because i didn't come up through campus ministry i was 00:08:26.860 --> 00:08:33.840 not on a college campus participating in crew um i worked in advertising as an art director and 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:39.040 innovation spaces and then i was just kind of at a point in my life where i was thinking you know i'd 00:08:39.040 --> 00:08:46.160 love to work somewhere on something that i really care about and so i sort of fell into crew and i was 00:08:46.160 --> 00:08:51.840 like you know what if this stinks i'll just quit i'll just leave i'll go back to freelancing it'll be awesome 00:08:52.400 --> 00:09:01.840 and i have not quit i've been here for about eight years now and um i mean our culture of like the more 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:06.080 i get out there the more conferences i go to the more other ministries that i work with the more that 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:12.320 i'm like wow crew actually is really unique it's a group of people who are just sold out for christ 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:19.840 and are willing to do everything possible to get his name out there and that is that's pretty unique 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:26.400 that to get a big collection of doers in one place who are willing to go do the thing that's that's hard 00:09:26.400 --> 00:09:33.200 to find actually yeah it's it's funny like i i find myself stumbling into crew people without even realizing 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:38.640 their crew people and it's like oh tell me this thing you're doing oh yeah oh you work with crew 00:09:38.640 --> 00:09:44.320 oh you're a crew too like it's just it's this uh never-ending uh list that i'm sure it has an end 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:50.560 but it's it's really cool uh to see that and and it's and they're all they're all i'm i'm sure 00:09:50.560 --> 00:09:56.000 somebody's a jerk on the list but for the most part they're all good people at least they they seem to 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:02.400 be well hey listen now that i made it awkward to to kick off the show um so tell us tell us a little 00:10:02.400 --> 00:10:09.040 bit about about your story and and and how you ended up on god tools yeah well like i said um 00:10:09.920 --> 00:10:15.520 working in advertising doing a lot of web design a lot of branding work you know down here in orlando 00:10:15.520 --> 00:10:22.480 we have the parks there's a lot of big industries and stuff so lots of stuff to keep us busy um but 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:30.000 yeah i was very much just at a point where i was um not as though you're duping clients into work in 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:36.160 advertising but there's a side where you know you want to work on something you really care about 00:10:36.160 --> 00:10:43.280 and when you're churning through you know 20 or 30 branding projects a year and and that many websites 00:10:43.280 --> 00:10:49.600 and campaigns and you're also looking for to win awards and also move up the the pecking order you 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:57.120 know it's it's a lot it's just a lot and so um very kind of ready to step out try something different so 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:05.120 um crew at a time was hiring a user experience designer and so i uh stepped into the role and it was 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:14.640 um i mean i was very relieved to find people who had been working at microsoft and airbnb and 00:11:14.640 --> 00:11:20.960 doing all kinds of stuff who were now working at crew as designers developers strategists all in 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:27.440 the digital space who really cared about um helping fulfill the great commission through using digital 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:35.280 and so um pretty quickly uh i began working on god tools which really only had um a product manager 00:11:35.280 --> 00:11:41.280 on it and that was kind of it like one lead developer and one product manager and um so i was like hey 00:11:41.280 --> 00:11:46.320 you know like let's go do some research let's get out there talk to people so we sort of reset the 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:52.880 vision for the product and um about that time i actually ended up being asked to take over the product 00:11:52.880 --> 00:11:59.840 and since then we've grown the team now there's about uh 13 depending on how you count it up 13 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:07.840 people who regularly work on it doing everything from design copywriting translation marketing development 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:15.840 and um yeah i mean we threw a party in like 2019 when we hit like you know a couple thousand users in 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:22.640 one day and now we're like we haven't had less than like 8 000 users in a few years so it's been 00:12:22.640 --> 00:12:27.920 really cool to see and god's just been i mean you know you go through seasons where you you just do 00:12:27.920 --> 00:12:32.880 things faithfully and then you go through seasons where god just rewards it and like this has been 00:12:32.880 --> 00:12:39.920 a really rewarding season just seeing i mean for a little while it was like all right what countries 00:12:39.920 --> 00:12:49.280 are more active than the us and there was a very small list and now i mean 96 or 7 of our usage is 00:12:49.280 --> 00:12:56.640 outside of the us most of it in the south it's it's been crazy just watching the the way god's been using 00:12:56.640 --> 00:13:06.560 this thing so not 96 to 97 of of your usage is outside of the united states yes i um i never would have 00:13:06.560 --> 00:13:13.280 guessed that i mean we we see with us we're probably 60 outside of the us but it still is a us strong 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:19.520 presence i mean that's almost a show into itself like what why why does the united states hate 00:13:19.520 --> 00:13:23.840 evangelism so much i'm not i'm not actually asking you that i don't know if you have an opinion it's a 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:27.920 it's a fair question i have a lot of opinions jeff so don't don't worry you're not gonna offend me 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:35.520 oh my gosh okay so so you're you're creating this tool what uh how many how many languages you 00:13:35.520 --> 00:13:42.080 mentioned translation did i how many languages do you have this thing in yeah so we've switched a 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:48.560 little bit of the way that we do translations um there are about 120 125 languages that they can 00:13:48.560 --> 00:13:55.760 access content from inside of the tool but right now there's like 21 languages that it's entirely available 00:13:55.760 --> 00:14:01.760 in okay so um kind of thinking about as the bookstore is in one language but then there's books in many 00:14:01.760 --> 00:14:09.120 other languages too so um you know like actually a really cool kind of success story in that is that 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:15.120 like we've been working a lot with the the team in south africa um the the crew team down there and 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:22.160 you know we we had seen like a small spike in usage and so we said hey guys would you be okay if we put 00:14:22.160 --> 00:14:27.520 some time and budget towards you know increasing uh some of the translations available because they just 00:14:27.520 --> 00:14:35.520 had one tool available the four spiritual laws available in zulu and afrikaans and so we said uh 00:14:35.520 --> 00:14:41.360 hey could we work together you know happy to support that and now it's an app language which means 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:48.240 everything's available and we've seen them go from like number 74 on our most active countries to like 00:14:49.280 --> 00:14:57.040 18 in like a few months so it's it's just like stories like that are like they keep me going they 00:14:57.040 --> 00:15:02.000 keep they get me up in the middle of the night and early in the morning to do what i do yeah it's it's 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:09.680 fascinating the the engagement culture around technology in africa um much much much higher than i than 00:15:09.680 --> 00:15:16.480 i was anticipating with that you're you're you're giving testimonies to that right there um well what do you 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:23.680 what is this what does the app do like how do you how does somebody use it to to witness or or or to 00:15:23.680 --> 00:15:29.760 share like you know give give the audience here uh uh a little taste of of what the experience is 00:15:30.640 --> 00:15:38.000 yeah well i i'd say that it's best described as um really personifying a lot of what crew cares about 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:44.480 uh which is winning building and sending making multiplying disciples helping average christians 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:50.720 find that they are capable of sharing their faith there's a it sort of started as a joke and now it's 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:55.520 kind of a thing we do where we have promotional stickers and one of the early stickers we did just 00:15:55.520 --> 00:16:04.080 said designed to share and um the big idea behind that is that yes god tools is designed to share but actually 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:10.720 all of us are designed to share god made us that way um and that also means that you're designed to share 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:17.040 in your own unique way with unique people that only you can reach and uh so for every app language we 00:16:17.040 --> 00:16:22.400 have that phrase designed to share in that language so it's kind of cool to see like you know i think 00:16:22.400 --> 00:16:29.600 we're at like 15 now because it's hard to you know hard to make russian and translations of this thing 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:34.000 but um you know it's cool to have designed to share in all these different languages but the app 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:40.240 fundamentally is there's two big sort of buckets there one is called tools which the name's god tools 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:45.680 and tools are just really simple ways to talk about jesus everything from presenting the gospel 00:16:45.680 --> 00:16:54.400 in four short points down to um conversation starter questions um so whatever you want to choose on that 00:16:54.400 --> 00:17:00.800 range um there's an option for it uh the other side of the house in the app is called lessons and 00:17:00.800 --> 00:17:11.040 lessons are kind of these bite-sized micro learning experiences so really really simple ways um to sort 00:17:11.040 --> 00:17:17.520 of do the soft side of evangelism right like how do i move my conversations to a deeper level how do i 00:17:17.520 --> 00:17:24.560 share my testimony you know how do i listen well um and one of the big things that we really tried to do 00:17:24.560 --> 00:17:31.200 with lessons was that if we can't help you kind of get a good idea of of how to do some of those things 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:36.560 in like five six minutes then i think we've actually kind of failed you because there's there's a lot of 00:17:36.560 --> 00:17:42.000 spaces out there where people are um you know if you want to learn to share your testimony i know there's 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:47.760 a 12-week course out there that you can jump on to do but i'm designing for the person who's sitting 00:17:47.760 --> 00:17:53.760 at a coffee shop their friends about to show up they've got two minutes how can i put one good idea 00:17:53.760 --> 00:17:58.560 into their brain for that next evangelistic conversation and so that's that's what i'm 00:17:58.560 --> 00:18:03.440 really looking to do with god tools but um yeah i mean we've just been delighted to see people use 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:09.840 it in ways we did not design it for and uh they're sharing their faith they're making disciples 00:18:09.840 --> 00:18:15.440 and they're seeing their disciples make disciples which is yeah really that's i love seeing seeing 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:20.480 that happen i didn't realize there was the the lessons aspect where they were also providing 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:27.280 training i i knew the the for lack of a better term content like some of the uh i saw i saw the the 00:18:27.280 --> 00:18:31.680 four spiritual laws i chuckled that's when you know something's a crew product because it's got the 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:36.480 the four spiritual laws on there for sure it's it's like that it's bill bill bright right am i 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:44.960 remembering right yeah i um throwback i used to own a christian bookstore and um uh back back when you 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:51.840 know christian bookstores were valid because brick and mortar stores were valid maybe even but uh we we 00:18:51.840 --> 00:18:58.880 had we had one got one person uh a guy would always come in and buy the the four spiritual laws little 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:04.080 track booklet whatever they're called yeah that was the only person you know there's just this one guy 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:10.640 would would would buy them in in bulk so like 50 at a time i guess he was giving them out good for 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:17.280 totally we also do you remember chick tracks since we're talking evangelism i haven't had experience 00:19:17.280 --> 00:19:22.640 with them but i know what they are oh my gosh yes yeah yeah we also we also we were big chick tracks 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:30.080 being in it was the christian bookstore in miami and um chicks were not related to um like girl chicks or 00:19:30.080 --> 00:19:37.440 nor chicken chicks i'm not actually sure why it was chicks but um yeah it was it was it was like not 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:44.560 your mother's typical um uh google it you'll you'll you'll get there oh my gosh i should have chat gpt 00:19:44.560 --> 00:19:52.080 create some chick tracks i wonder if chat gpt could do that um all right let's get back sorry i'm down a 00:19:52.080 --> 00:19:58.080 rabbit trail i need to go down um so like you're you're you're providing just quick trainings on on 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:05.600 on evangelism uh like have you been getting any any feedback or stories from from people in in how 00:20:05.600 --> 00:20:12.800 they're using it and in life change that's happening as a result oh i mean that is one of the biggest 00:20:12.800 --> 00:20:21.920 privileges of of my role is uh you know crew operates in almost every country on the planet um formally or 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:27.920 informally and um there's there's a lot of stuff going on and and i mean we we sometimes just get 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:34.400 like little glimpses of it which is really cool um you know from the sometimes i feel like there's a wall 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:41.760 with analytics you know you can only see so much um like we we like to you know kind of share as a team 00:20:41.760 --> 00:20:49.200 like oh we just got our first new believer in this country we've never seen that you know and so like 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:57.840 one of them was outside of um a small island outside of madagascar called mayat um had went from zero 00:20:57.840 --> 00:21:04.080 users to eight users to one believer and you know it was a delight to be able to like say oh 00:21:05.040 --> 00:21:10.960 like that's a huge like thing like we've never seen a believer there we ended up finding like the 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:16.320 crew team there and they're just crushing it left and right like in a in a hard place it's a muslim 00:21:16.320 --> 00:21:23.920 majority um very small micronation um but on the more person-to-person side um there's a a friend of 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:33.120 ours in uh vietnam who um i think i think she did a study abroad in germany and um while she was there she 00:21:33.120 --> 00:21:39.360 she um met this guy and you know they talked about faith kind of on and off but at the end of her sort 00:21:39.360 --> 00:21:45.120 of uh i don't remember if it was an internship or a study abroad but she had to go home and so they 00:21:45.120 --> 00:21:52.240 were what's happening one evening and uh you know having a kind of discussion around faith and she 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.720 was able to jump on god tools and be like hey actually can i send you this link and we can just 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:01.920 screen share and look at this presentation of the gospel together and you know he became christian from 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:09.920 that i mean like from vietnam to germany talk about time zones as you mentioned earlier um that's a 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:15.920 painful one that's quite a distance but um you know i mean that's that's what i'm getting at with the 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:22.560 tools just we're designed to share and so you know if if we can if we can allow ourselves to hold on to 00:22:22.560 --> 00:22:29.760 one idea or know the gospel in a nice bite-sized chunk or or just have a a different approach to 00:22:29.760 --> 00:22:35.760 reaching everyday people in our lives god's gonna open up doors god's gonna meet you in that the holy 00:22:35.760 --> 00:22:42.880 spirit's i mean full of power um so you're not doing it alone but yeah that's that's what a story i i super 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:49.600 love i mean from a big number standpoint uh i mean as i mentioned the global south i mean africa alone 00:22:49.600 --> 00:22:58.560 is like 55 of all my usage um west africa east africa i mean the country of south africa are just 00:22:59.600 --> 00:23:06.720 booming right now like people out there sharing the gospel getting trained um equipping others i 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:13.840 mean they're doing it as as churches as student movements um it's it's been i mean like seriously 00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:20.080 this is a major privilege to just be able to sit back and be like whoa i see you god like i see 00:23:20.080 --> 00:23:27.600 what you're doing okay this is big so very cool let's let's drill in a little bit in into the the weeds 00:23:27.600 --> 00:23:32.720 here now uh we've got a handful of people watching uh live by the way if there's any questions 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:39.200 throw them in in chat would love to uh pull them up and talk through them as well so feel free to 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:45.760 put anything in chat and if you're watching on demand throw it in chat too i'll uh most likely be the 00:23:45.760 --> 00:23:52.960 one replying to you i tend to try to keep my eye on the youtube chat and um uh comments and engage in 00:23:52.960 --> 00:24:00.800 in real time over there but let's um let me ask now uh to help you justin the majority of our audiences 00:24:01.360 --> 00:24:08.240 our did our digital missionaries like we've got people that are that are actively using uh cloud 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:14.400 services social media digital tools app virtual reality uh you know they know their way around 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:22.480 technology and so you know they're having conversations mr pete talks pete host here talks in in big 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:32.160 screen about jesus regularly he actually uses um microsoft flight simulator uh as as a way of in 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:38.400 virtual reality to build relationships with people in big screen and then shares shares jesus uh through 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:44.640 that really like fascinating stuff now um which is why i i like i mean i like your tool 00:24:45.760 --> 00:24:51.200 to be sitting around starbucks and oh hey you know look at my phone let me you know let's talk about 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:56.320 this thing together at the same time like that that's cool uh a lot of our our missionaries though 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:03.200 would maybe drill into the the screen sharing that i'm understanding is in the app where you can walk 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:10.080 multiple people through that uh and and so like maybe get into the weeds a little bit of of how that 00:25:10.080 --> 00:25:18.400 works technology wise and and uh somebody like do they need google meet is this like a zoom to compliment 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:25.760 like what technology can it integrate in just kind of give us the the 360 perspective yeah well i think 00:25:25.760 --> 00:25:31.680 as you mentioned a lot of the use case that we're sitting in is is people being face to face at one 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:38.880 time or another to have that faith conversation and that's good and fine but we also know obviously 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:45.600 people aren't together physically all the time so a couple big ways that we encourage people to use god 00:25:45.600 --> 00:25:55.600 tools uh digitally virtually one is you as an individual christian knowing the gospel knowing how to get 00:25:55.600 --> 00:26:01.440 into spiritual conversations knowing just how to express your faith through more than a four-point 00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:06.320 gospel presentation though i mean i'm sitting at crew headquarters so we're obviously not against that 00:26:06.320 --> 00:26:13.280 but um you know like sometimes i think that there are a lot of doors open to us to have faith 00:26:13.280 --> 00:26:19.920 conversations but people are you know they're like oh well what if this doesn't go well you know we've 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:26.160 got a lesson on that or like i just don't know what question to ask we have a lesson and tools on that 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:31.200 um so you know if we can just help people overcome a few obstacles to get in personally 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:36.880 whether that's over whatsapp maybe you're having a facetime conversation all that's great and good 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:43.120 screen sharing feature uh funny enough we actually didn't design it to be this way but a lot of people 00:26:43.120 --> 00:26:50.080 have been using it with groups of people because uh the way it's set up is that it's not just a one-to-one 00:26:50.080 --> 00:26:57.120 experience it's actually a one-to-many so in most of the tools you can jump in there click the top 00:26:57.120 --> 00:27:02.800 little uh i found out i didn't know if you knew this but the three dots is called a sushi icon 00:27:02.800 --> 00:27:09.360 and i that has made my life just so much better knowing that no kidding i i've never i've i know the 00:27:09.360 --> 00:27:15.360 hamburger is the three lines but yeah i did not i've never heard the three dots it's the three sushi 00:27:15.360 --> 00:27:21.600 rolls okay yeah all right i'll buy that is my team loves we're like let's put a sushi here let's do a sushi 00:27:21.600 --> 00:27:29.680 um so you click the sushi and go down and you press uh screen share and from there it'll give you a 00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:35.680 little three screen tutorial you can share a link via whatsapp via you know email whatever but you could 00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:43.840 send that actually to multiple people um so you could drop it in your whatsapp channel with i mean 00:27:43.840 --> 00:27:52.320 i'm told not to recommend over 40 people because it might start to get laggy but um if you don't want 00:27:52.320 --> 00:27:58.640 you know do do as you will um but i've heard of people sharing it with like 20 people everyone can 00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:03.280 click the link if they have god tools on their phone it'll open god tools so obviously for training 00:28:03.280 --> 00:28:08.560 purposes very helpful um if they don't have god tools it takes them to a web-based experience so 00:28:08.560 --> 00:28:13.360 we're not you know we're not asking non-christians to download this tool without evangelism yeah yeah 00:28:13.360 --> 00:28:18.240 right so it just takes them to the web and uh whatever you can see on your screen it will mirror 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:23.120 that content um from within the tool so it's not going to show the rest of your phone it's not going 00:28:23.120 --> 00:28:29.040 to show the rest of the app it's just showing that tool page by page card by card as you go along 00:28:29.040 --> 00:28:35.200 and um yeah that's that's just been a really like like my friend from vietnam i mean ultimately it's 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:40.320 that idea of like hey if we really want to like dig into talking about the gospel and like having some 00:28:40.320 --> 00:28:47.040 big ideas right in front of us it's doable like it's a it's a real option and um that's why we doubled 00:28:47.040 --> 00:28:52.560 down on that feature and that was actually something that came out of covid where you know people were 00:28:52.560 --> 00:28:59.600 obviously not together and uh you know to see people transitioning into using it online using 00:28:59.600 --> 00:29:05.840 it remotely yeah it was just really i mean like i said it's it's a fun vantage point to be in 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:13.840 i have i know you said you were at crew for about eight years um did you start god tools was god tools 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:22.480 i did not no was it already in existence before you came in okay yeah so it uh 2010 is technically the 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:30.240 the birth year of the app god was clearly doing something because there was a a guy in australia 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:35.840 and a guy in the us who were both kind of i think they were like on their way to becoming staff 00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:42.800 kind of interning and they both began developing an app to do the same thing ended up finding each other 00:29:43.280 --> 00:29:50.960 and started working together and they built this thing and um so since 22 i'd say 2010 to 2015 it 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:58.320 basically was kind of the digital version of the four spiritual laws which is right fine and good yeah 00:29:58.320 --> 00:30:04.720 but right around 2016 or so it became very apparent like hey we could do a lot more with this and there's 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:11.840 a lot more meat on the bone for us to jump into and um yeah so we've we've kind of been expanding that 00:30:11.840 --> 00:30:18.800 um yeah it's it's just like i said god's just been meeting us in it and it's been really really cool 00:30:18.800 --> 00:30:25.440 and the global nature of our organization is sort of one of two that it's just used so widely um and 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:32.160 they're using it in different ways too like um and i mean in africa they are just out there sharing the 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:38.320 gospel because it's also culturally you're able to you're able to walk up to someone on the street and 00:30:38.320 --> 00:30:43.200 say like hey have you ever heard of the four spiritual laws um but you know teams in europe 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:51.840 they're also using it um i could say like i personally um in my context in my community that the 00:30:51.840 --> 00:31:00.960 tool openers um is just a giant collection of conversation starters questions um and so either 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:07.840 at my bible study or maybe even with someone i just met um you know we're sitting on a train together 00:31:07.840 --> 00:31:13.920 i can say hey you know nice to meet you like i've got this like conversation starter tool i'm so bad 00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:19.280 with conversations because i actually am uh i have to extrovert for work but i'm actually an introvert 00:31:19.280 --> 00:31:24.320 and uh i can relate you know you sort of bounce back and forth and these questions you know there 00:31:24.320 --> 00:31:32.240 might be 20 in a category about sports or television or relationships and it goes from being light and 00:31:33.040 --> 00:31:38.320 external sort of stuff to get deeper and deeper into stuff that's pointing more and more towards 00:31:38.320 --> 00:31:47.200 um our eternal life so um yeah you know there's there's no there's no one way to do evangelism there's no 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:54.320 one way to um approach starting faith conversations and and we're here for all of it we're here to support 00:31:54.320 --> 00:32:04.480 it in one way or another you mentioned something um back earlier in in the in the interview uh when 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:11.120 you're talking about you know uniquely created um you know does uniquely designed the app design um 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:17.920 i think you said something to the extent is we're we're each uniquely created to create reach someone 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:24.640 or we're uniquely created to reach someone for for for christ could you uh i'm that that sounds like 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:32.720 there's a um uh some rich thought that went into that that statement would would love to hear kind 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:40.880 of what you're thinking specifically on that yeah well um i'll have to not it was a throwaway line you 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:46.560 didn't mean anything by it it was a freaking good throwaway line i put you on the spot you blank that's 00:32:46.560 --> 00:32:55.680 awesome no no no no it's good but the disclosure is is like i am a big believer in the like providence 00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:05.600 of god in this sense of everything is connected um there's a uh actually a john piper book that i have 00:33:05.600 --> 00:33:13.280 read a couple of times and just wept through called providence and it has like fundamentally changed 00:33:13.280 --> 00:33:19.520 some of the way that i see my work the way i see my role and and just you know the way the way you 00:33:19.520 --> 00:33:26.960 kind of see life but you know we we see sun sunrises and sunsets all the time and we think wow that's 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:34.640 beautiful but do we ever think that you know what god never stops making those as the planet's going 00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:42.240 around he's always making a sunrise or a sunset and he chooses to make them beautiful and how much more 00:33:43.040 --> 00:33:50.000 painful of a thought is this that he made that knowing that i would see it and so in one way or 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:55.920 another there are people that i'm going to share my faith with there are people that um i've shared my 00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:03.680 faith with and it hasn't worked out but trusting and knowing that god set that situation up that god 00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:12.880 set me up for a reason in order to reach somebody is a really powerful thought um and it's it's a i like 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:20.080 to say like a big god thought like god is way bigger than we actually think he is um but you know jeff 00:34:20.080 --> 00:34:24.560 i think what we've just been seeing more and more through the app and through conversations and 00:34:24.560 --> 00:34:29.200 through you know just getting out there and talking to our partners and stakeholders around the world 00:34:31.600 --> 00:34:38.000 people are way more open to having spiritual conversations than we think they are they're more 00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:45.920 aware of their need for them than ever before and like don't get me wrong i'm offering a resource to 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:52.000 help you do that but i'm also in another side saying you have everything you need because you have the 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:59.600 holy spirit and god built you for this um and that's yeah i mean you know we're talking at conceptual 00:34:59.600 --> 00:35:07.680 levels you know but uh yeah it's something i firmly believe and so if one thing that god tools can do 00:35:07.680 --> 00:35:13.920 is offer you that little bit of confidence like if i just overcome this obstacle i think i could tell 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:20.880 this person about my faith um and so a lot of times who we are uh as you know internally as a 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:26.080 team when we're designing this when we're adding a new feature the the person that we're designing for 00:35:28.160 --> 00:35:33.760 is not necessarily crew staff i mean certainly we want to help them you know if they share their faith 00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:41.280 30 times a year i i of course want to help them share it 50 times a year that's wonderful um but 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:47.120 we're really thinking about the person who's going from zero to one not the person who's thinking i want 00:35:47.120 --> 00:35:52.720 to go fulfill the great commission and you know become a missionary like that's good stuff but what 00:35:52.720 --> 00:35:58.960 about the person who's just like i want to tell my mom that i've been going to church and my life has 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:05.520 been changed and i know it's going to be hard because she's been hurt by the church in her past 00:36:06.080 --> 00:36:11.760 you know those those are the kinds of conversations that uh people there are real people out there who 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:19.680 need help um and if we can offer them something super tangible like that is worth every dime worth every hour 00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:25.520 and minute of my time to help more people go from zero to one even just pulling the thread on that a 00:36:25.520 --> 00:36:34.160 little bit you're um so your tool us you said three to four percent of of user bases and is in america 00:36:35.520 --> 00:36:43.760 you're a global organization but you're based in america um i think the global headquarters is in america 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:49.600 but it's a it's a strong u.s organization that works globally it's a global organization based in the 00:36:49.600 --> 00:37:01.280 u.s however you want to flip it how do you how do you keep a non-us mindset how do you um create tools 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:08.720 that can be flexible to the africans versus somebody in europe versus somebody in the in the middle east or 00:37:08.720 --> 00:37:19.760 or oceania like you know there's um there's a lot to be uh open-handed with things um but how do you 00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:26.960 still have it be effective or how do you take feedback given all the different hundred and would you say 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:33.600 hundred and hundred some languages 20 some primary like you know you're you're obviously getting into a 00:37:33.600 --> 00:37:40.080 a lot of different cultures how do you manage this yeah great question um i'd say it's a lot of what i 00:37:40.080 --> 00:37:47.840 do personally um but you actually said it there in being open-handed a lot of it's just a posture of 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:54.560 our team um who many of them have international experience i mean our teams it's hard for us to 00:37:54.560 --> 00:37:59.360 have a lot of team meetings because i mean like the guy i work with the most my product manager lives in 00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:05.520 ethiopia you know so it's it's like we've got a couple hours before one of us has to wake up early 00:38:05.520 --> 00:38:14.000 or stay up late so uh but a lot of it just comes down to being like open-handed and being like hey 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:23.040 god has given us a open environment in the us where we have free speech we have resources how can i just 00:38:23.040 --> 00:38:30.720 come alongside and honor what god is doing in vietnam and you know it's not my story it's your story 00:38:30.720 --> 00:38:36.560 how do i come alongside what god's already doing through you all um but the other side of that is 00:38:36.560 --> 00:38:43.680 just ultimately like relationship um i'm constantly whatsapping with people from all over the world at 00:38:43.680 --> 00:38:51.520 odd times um you know just hey this thing's broken or hey can we amend this translation or whatever you 00:38:51.520 --> 00:38:58.560 know and um so they all have my personal whatsapp and i i don't mind that it's it's honestly it's a 00:38:58.560 --> 00:39:06.160 privilege to um be alongside serving them in that way um but yeah it's i wouldn't say there's like 00:39:06.160 --> 00:39:11.040 aside from those two two sorts of things there's no there's no single answer other than like 00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:18.720 just you gotta grind to make that happen um because i i think that we're in a really cool 00:39:20.640 --> 00:39:26.160 let's even just say in crew we're in a really cool season where things are becoming way more 00:39:26.160 --> 00:39:36.480 grassroots um there's a lot more space for you know the the team in the drc or the team in ethiopia or 00:39:37.520 --> 00:39:45.600 albania to say hey we're gonna go try to do this and that's because we know our audience we know our 00:39:46.080 --> 00:39:52.160 what needs to happen here we know what evangelism and discipleship looks like here and as the sort of 00:39:53.040 --> 00:40:02.320 cultural experts and curator of of what works how can i come alongside what god's doing there and and be a 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:08.720 force multiplier and not get in the way so um yeah that that's a lot of what we're doing i would say 00:40:08.720 --> 00:40:15.120 one of the big updates that's coming to the app soon um is when you come in through the onboarding 00:40:15.120 --> 00:40:20.240 you actually won't just say you know hey i want to use this app in english you'll actually say you know 00:40:20.240 --> 00:40:26.640 hey my name's jeff i live in the us and i speak english and based on that you're actually going to be getting 00:40:26.640 --> 00:40:34.080 recommendations and a whole sort of personalized view of the app okay because we don't we don't want to 00:40:34.080 --> 00:40:40.640 put i mean i i think what works in the us is great i think that's awesome but who am i to say that they 00:40:40.640 --> 00:40:49.440 should use that in singapore yeah i i don't know what works in singapore but you know what this big wild 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:54.560 organization i'm part of they have people in singapore and the philippines and vietnam and 00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:03.360 all sorts of places so i can lean on those local experts to actually choose the thing choose what 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:11.920 their um their actual users would see and even create custom tools and lessons so if i'm uh you know 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:17.520 what it looks like to share my faith and testimony in the us i think we've probably both got a good 00:41:17.520 --> 00:41:27.280 idea of what that looks like what does that look like in colombia or the uk or belarus goodness i have 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:34.960 no idea but we have teams who know that and uh so creating more of a platform for that i don't always 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:42.080 say right information but more right information uh to be available is is really important yeah 00:41:43.520 --> 00:41:53.280 do you um so with crew you've got access to their entire network of of users like that that's just 00:41:53.920 --> 00:42:00.560 at your fingertips to be able to disperse around so if you need translation or if you need insight 00:42:00.560 --> 00:42:09.040 like it's just a an email or a ping away totally well i mean incredible but let me also say 00:42:10.640 --> 00:42:17.680 where i sit in the organization is this like odd little nub over here where i have zero power 00:42:17.680 --> 00:42:24.160 to be able to do anything like i can't say you know hey i need this translation on tuesday it's it's 00:42:24.160 --> 00:42:30.080 a if it if it serves your national ministry i would love for this transition to be available so i mean 00:42:30.080 --> 00:42:37.440 that open-handed posture is is there's a pragmatic side but also i mean it's also just the posture i 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:45.360 believe we should have um so i'm a hundred percent if it serves them if they want it because there are 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:50.800 countries where they say you know we don't use god tools people don't trust you if you walk up with a 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:59.040 phone yeah um and so you know for their face-to-face evangelism they don't use it and like if they do use 00:42:59.040 --> 00:43:07.040 it praise god if they don't use it praise god also you know i like that's also okay um they know what 00:43:07.040 --> 00:43:14.000 works there and i i'm just trusting that god's going to use it or not use it appropriately that's good 00:43:14.560 --> 00:43:20.480 which kind of begs the question there there's been some findings recently in in the u.s 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:29.200 you mentioned earlier there's a re-engagement to spirituality um people have a desire to know god 00:43:29.200 --> 00:43:37.200 but maybe not necessarily the church and uh not you know for whatever reason there's many reasons i'm 00:43:37.200 --> 00:43:46.080 sure at least here in the u.s um for that do you and that's where like uh and in our context digital 00:43:46.080 --> 00:43:52.000 missionaries doing something different to reach someone different uh relational evangelism seems to 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:58.400 be very effective relational discipleship even done via digital tools has been effective as well 00:43:59.200 --> 00:44:05.680 um as you're looking at things globally are you seeing uh you know you've talked a lot about the 00:44:05.680 --> 00:44:12.960 the the global south the south is is uh borderline revival at this point that's what's on fire uh 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:18.800 spiritually so to speak is is in the southern but the the disenchantment with the church 00:44:19.520 --> 00:44:24.800 uh a re-engagement of spirituality looking forward in different ways are you seeing that 00:44:25.200 --> 00:44:30.480 in in different global contexts as well definitely definitely i mean i think um 00:44:32.080 --> 00:44:37.840 we we all love to use the word revival you know and uh obviously there's a historical precedent for 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:46.000 that um i think the idea that it has to look a certain way is something that we might actually 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:53.600 need and this is this is not this is my opinion this is not the opinion of um crew or anything but 00:44:53.600 --> 00:44:57.840 way to put the disclaimer on that that yeah it's going to be good when the disclaimer comes out 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:02.640 when when you're speaking for tens of thousands of people you know yeah i always like to make 00:45:02.640 --> 00:45:08.480 make sure i'm putting that out there but you know i i think when we can take the opportunity to say 00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:17.040 you know what god's going to use revival as he wants to use it um and it might not look like 00:45:18.240 --> 00:45:26.480 church attendance is the first thing that swells um so i i think ultimately as us as designers developers 00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:34.560 digital practitioners how do we how do we take what god's doing and come alongside it um and so you 00:45:34.560 --> 00:45:42.000 know is it is it to get people in pews i mean eventually i think so right like god i believe in the 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:48.800 church i'm certainly not abandoning that um i think there's just a side of like how do we how do we not 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:57.920 bring a prescribed shape to how this thing should go um and just meet people where they are um one of 00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:04.400 the tools that i i speak into but i i'm not the the owner of is something called the audience map 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:10.400 and uh it's a a research-based tool it's actually just an internal tool that we've sort of made available 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:18.800 um where you know thousands of interviews from people all over the world have created this sort of 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:27.360 thing that shows you know what for someone who is um uninterested in the gospel if we just keep 00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:33.120 sharing the four laws with them something might happen but our research doesn't say that that happens 00:46:33.120 --> 00:46:39.360 it actually says that it put it pushes them further away from being open to hearing the gospel but you 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:46.000 know what does make them open to hearing the gospel is um being free to ask questions and not being 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:54.000 judged or building trust and relationships with christians and i think we all know those sorts of 00:46:54.000 --> 00:47:00.960 things but to have the data to say like this is this is our best contribution is to actually push in this 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:10.400 way you know so there's like a great story i heard of a team who uh rather than like you know in eastern 00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:16.400 europe looking at these these uh college-age students who are just not interested in the gospel and 00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:20.720 you're trying to invite them to church but they're not interested you know what they did they started a 00:47:20.720 --> 00:47:27.840 cooking class and this cooking class oh i thought you said cocaine class and i was no no no sorry no 00:47:28.720 --> 00:47:37.120 that's an interesting take cooking cooking cooking uh vegetable oil okay i'm with you all right 00:47:37.120 --> 00:47:44.720 teaching these like new students who are first time living away from their families uh to cook for 00:47:44.720 --> 00:47:51.440 themselves and engaging them in christian community i mean that was like their most successful evangelism 00:47:52.240 --> 00:47:57.440 like strategy like that's that's actually kind of crazy so i think you know even thinking about 00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:04.640 things like discord and whatsapp groups and all sorts of online presence things sometimes like you're 00:48:04.640 --> 00:48:10.960 doing something else and i think a lot of the gaming community knows this it's like you know church folks 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:15.840 are like oh you're just playing games together and it's like no you're not you're you're doing life 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:21.920 alongside them and god's going to use that in really meaningful ways yeah yeah i mean that's 00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:28.160 that's a lot behind the the heart of the digital missionary is is using the uh you know affinity is the new 00:48:28.160 --> 00:48:34.160 proximity instead of creating community because it's uh you know i live next door to someone create 00:48:34.160 --> 00:48:40.400 community because i'm doing things uh similar to what they're doing or we're connected together via 00:48:41.040 --> 00:48:49.680 um you know the those characteristics instead and so love um love the idea of being relational in that 00:48:49.680 --> 00:48:55.680 it's funny you mentioned the audience map um west brooks i'm blanking on west's wife's name but 00:48:55.680 --> 00:49:04.080 west is active in our community leah uh i met leah um i met leah in korea at lazon uh and so uh leah 00:49:04.080 --> 00:49:10.960 invented audience map i guess years ago and actually she was one of the beginners of it yeah yeah and 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:20.000 cheryl uh is actually speaking at our at our conference on audience map i love the context of of audience map 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:26.960 and um i i you know when when west was talking to me about it and then you know some of the 00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:32.640 conversations i've had with cheryl since then it was like oh yeah the the the carryovers to this in 00:49:32.640 --> 00:49:41.520 digital context are huge um for sure it just needs to be explored and we've not really done that up until 00:49:41.520 --> 00:49:48.480 this point so she'll be she'll be on one of these streams cheryl will i'm sure at some point but we'll 00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:53.520 we'll we'll do the conference with her she's in the we're doing uh uh one of the conference for her 00:49:53.520 --> 00:50:02.560 is digital neighborhoods and it's it's it's her uh jason morris jeff van der stout oh and uh and 00:50:02.560 --> 00:50:10.320 and bekele shanko um so we got we got a couple crew coming in for that like i was saying like i sat 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:15.600 down i was like who am i going to get to speak at this stuff oh look they're crew people you know you 00:50:15.600 --> 00:50:22.640 guys are all over the place so that's that's that's a lot of fun cool um all right hey if somebody 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:31.760 wanted to uh to grab the app how do they how do they find you yeah well you can go to the app store 00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:38.560 play store um just type in god tools or alternatively if you want the extra step you can go to god tools 00:50:38.560 --> 00:50:47.280 app.com and uh download it there like i said uh it's in over 120 languages um i think i think it's 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:54.720 21 or 22 languages that's 100 available in which already covers most of the world in second first 00:50:54.720 --> 00:51:01.280 second or third languages which is great um but yeah i mean and like also i would say anyone that 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:06.080 downloads it who's like you know i really wish this thing was here or i wish you guys did more of this 00:51:06.640 --> 00:51:12.560 please feel free to write in because you know who gets those emails is me and i love getting feedback 00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:19.680 um the good the bad and the ugly is better than nothing so um very appreciative of anyone who writes 00:51:19.680 --> 00:51:26.800 it i'm i'm guessing uh i hate getting emails so i'll just start forwarding you mine and you can just check 00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:35.440 mine too um i'm i'm guessing like asl hard hard of hearing deaf that's a separate app entirely you 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:42.880 you've not delved into that so we have not officially delved into it but it is it is very much on our 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:51.200 radar um what what we've been learning is i which i really am actually quite daunted by is there are 00:51:52.160 --> 00:52:00.480 as nearly as many sign language versions as there are languages yes and so um yeah how do we offer a 00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:07.280 really great experience yeah for someone who is not just american sign language but right nigerian 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:12.480 versus british sign language because all of them all those people right now would just say oh i speak 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:21.840 english and uh so yeah we in the vein of simplicity we would rather not put some things in the app 00:52:22.560 --> 00:52:28.480 in order to make sure that like it is a good experience yeah no it's that's very fair um 00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:35.040 there are there are where i've started talking to some ministries that are that are carrying the 00:52:35.040 --> 00:52:44.080 the light the torch on that so i was just curious um imb create is is working on a on a base i forget 00:52:44.080 --> 00:52:55.600 what they call this it's a base sign language that is like 80 accurate across the majority of um sign 00:52:55.600 --> 00:53:03.040 languages cool and and like it takes the if you generalize down basic moves there's a there's a 00:53:03.040 --> 00:53:08.560 consistent theme across uh continuity across the majority of them and so they're they're trying to 00:53:08.560 --> 00:53:14.400 develop a a new language based off of that i don't know somebody from imb can correct me but last last 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:21.840 time i love that so ago yeah it'd be fun um what is are you doing anything with ai with this i'm just 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:28.320 curious your translation sounds like you're doing it um for sure for sure you're using ai to translate 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:37.200 or human well so trans ai translation is part of our process but the way that because i have this 00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:45.200 sort of rolodex in my whatsapp of of local experts um you know i'm not just going to go translate 00:53:45.200 --> 00:53:50.560 something into tie and then just put it out there you know i have a local expert who i can say hey can 00:53:50.560 --> 00:53:57.440 you double check this um either what we do is we use ai to get it to like what we call like the 80 percent 00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:03.520 level where it's like mostly done and then they come clean it up or sometimes ai is good enough and 00:54:03.520 --> 00:54:10.400 they're just like yeah i just had to you know cross a couple t's and that's it you know which is really 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:22.560 cool um we actually just had a a intern who did some experiments on uh offering like hyper contextualized 00:54:22.560 --> 00:54:27.760 recommendations of tools and lessons because like i said we're going to be moving to this sort of 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:34.560 localized version of the app so you know if you're accessing this in central asia it's going to be a 00:54:34.560 --> 00:54:40.000 different app it's going to look look a little different different content you know how you share your 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:46.480 testimony there is different than how you share it in san francisco um and so part of that is going 00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:56.480 to be a little bit ai powered yeah okay it's cool it's it's interesting to me some of the um i started 00:54:56.480 --> 00:55:02.000 to say fear not the right word trepidation not the right word cautiousness centered centered around 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:09.360 that um ai and so it's it's always interesting you know some of your mission organization 00:55:09.600 --> 00:55:15.520 compartment uh you know camaraderie uh whatever some of some of your other friends 00:55:16.080 --> 00:55:24.160 are are like um you know nobody gets hired unless we're using ai 100 first and others are like 00:55:24.160 --> 00:55:30.080 you know kick ai to the curb and and so it's interesting yeah from everything perspective everything 00:55:30.080 --> 00:55:36.560 in between yeah love it um if nothing else it makes for a good conversation while we while we wait for 00:55:36.560 --> 00:55:44.080 our uh our robotic overlords to eventually take us over uh cool all right hey listen man this has been a 00:55:44.080 --> 00:55:50.560 great conversation i'm excited to to get the word out on on god tools it is available on 00:55:50.560 --> 00:55:59.280 android android and um and ios so so thank you for that if jesus were among us today he would be 00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:10.080 having a iphone or an android what would jesus use you know i think i think jesus is a man of the people 00:56:10.080 --> 00:56:20.080 and he would probably have an android wow i'm okay with the answer i'm i'm a little hurt with the the 00:56:20.080 --> 00:56:28.960 the line of the man of the people like what am i an elitist now because i i've got a very big iphone i 00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:34.880 i mean i'm brother i i've got i've got the same but you know everywhere i go i i get to travel and meet 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:43.200 partners and you know all over the world and they are all android users and uh i don't think jesus would 00:56:43.200 --> 00:56:49.600 be uh shaming us with with blue text bubbles yeah now that's true that's true that's true let's let's 00:56:49.600 --> 00:56:57.360 what what is non-negotiable if jesus were alive today and had and had a a smartphone he would be using 00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:05.200 whatsapp that you can take to the bank i promise you on that for sure discord yeah i love my discord 00:57:05.200 --> 00:57:12.800 friends but uh you know i i i i he'd be he'd be he'd be green bubbling over in in whatsapp oh all 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:18.080 right for sure hey listen check out god tools uh god tools app.com find it on the app store 00:57:18.720 --> 00:57:26.560 and in ios or android uh justin man thanks for hanging out with us today as we're wrapping up 00:57:26.560 --> 00:57:32.880 here in any closing thoughts no it was it was a pleasure let i think like as you said it's 00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:38.400 available in the app store totally free um i think our organization sometimes does a bad job of this 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:45.520 so we have tons of things available for digital missionaries strategists on the ground field 00:57:45.520 --> 00:57:53.280 missionaries to use that people just don't know about um so i'm more than happy to make this available 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:58.800 and i think even please feel free to write in and say like hey that you know if if you did this a 00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:06.560 little more it would be way more usable in my church in ecuador like praise god i'd be happy to add that 00:58:06.560 --> 00:58:12.800 kind of stuff so um yeah we're we're just happy to have it be available and let you all know about it 00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:19.520 yeah we've got a we've got a rather vocal crowd and so you just opened pandora's box they're gonna 00:58:19.520 --> 00:58:23.920 they're gonna hunt you down yeah you're you're gonna you're gonna love it okay all right so hey 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:30.000 we're gonna we're gonna wrap up uh check out god tools god tools app.com uh the on the app stores as 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:35.920 as well free download and use that uh to connect with people physically and digitally to to share 00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:42.080 the love of christ uh justin thanks for jumping on but we're gonna wrap for justin uh i'm jeff with 00:58:42.080 --> 00:58:47.680 the church digital thanks for hanging out with us on this show and uh we'll see you next time on this 00:58:47.680 --> 00:58:54.320 stream y'all have a good day and i'm looking for the stop button and i can't find it well this is 00:58:54.320 --> 00:59:06.560 embarrassing oh there it is yeah i'm blind getting old is horrible man all right see you later bye