WEBVTT 00:00:00.900 --> 00:00:06.980 All right, hey, episode 355-1 of the Church Digital Podcast, Jeff here. 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:09.560 I love how the music fades out just like that naturally. 00:00:09.860 --> 00:00:12.340 It'll kick back in here in a second, of course. 00:00:12.920 --> 00:00:17.240 I love me some background music, crank it down a little bit, 00:00:17.620 --> 00:00:19.560 just kind of have it playing in the background. 00:00:19.880 --> 00:00:22.500 Love, hey, I love this conversation we're about to have. 00:00:22.560 --> 00:00:27.960 We've got Dr. Tim Yee, Dr. Tim from True Center coming on. 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:31.220 I have really enjoyed True Center. 00:00:31.820 --> 00:00:38.140 It is maybe the one assessment I've taken in recent years that when I got my report, 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.720 I was like, finally, somebody gets me, and that's True Center. 00:00:41.780 --> 00:00:45.180 We're going to get more into True Center here in a little bit. 00:00:45.300 --> 00:00:51.640 But before, before, before, before we get there, hey, listen, we have this small thing coming up. 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:52.600 Maybe you've heard of it. 00:00:52.620 --> 00:00:55.320 It's the Digital Missionary Conference. 00:00:55.520 --> 00:01:02.340 So we have the Digital Missionary Conference coming up starting September 17th. 00:01:02.340 --> 00:01:07.040 Now, you may have heard we're doing four different conferences over the span of September and October, 00:01:07.420 --> 00:01:14.200 four Wednesdays, four conferences, four weeks in a row, four niche audience, four target topics. 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:20.500 And we're going deep with them on these summits, not just conveying information to you, 00:01:21.020 --> 00:01:26.600 but giving you a clear path, a clear action step to get deeper into those topics. 00:01:27.020 --> 00:01:34.660 Starting with things like, first off, September 17th, we're doing a conference on digital neighborhoods. 00:01:34.860 --> 00:01:41.560 Hey, let's talk about these digital communities and the platforms that they're on and the cultures that exist within those platforms. 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:48.880 And as we talk about digital discipleship and digital evangelism, and of course, you know, every community deserves a church, even digital ones. 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.640 So what is digital planting, church planting look like? 00:01:52.020 --> 00:01:55.480 That's what we're going to get into in September 17th, Digital Neighborhoods Conference. 00:01:55.740 --> 00:01:57.980 September 24th, Christ Centered Recovery. 00:01:58.080 --> 00:02:00.140 We're doing an All Space Recover Conference. 00:02:00.500 --> 00:02:04.300 October 1st, European Digital Missionary Conference. 00:02:04.460 --> 00:02:09.340 And October 8th, we're going to wrap it up with a gaming summit. 00:02:09.780 --> 00:02:18.320 There is a ton of information over at the website, www.missionary.digital, www.missionary.digital. 00:02:18.320 --> 00:02:23.280 Check that out and get more information over on that site. 00:02:23.720 --> 00:02:24.640 Registration's open. 00:02:24.760 --> 00:02:26.220 You can go ahead and sign up. 00:02:26.660 --> 00:02:28.460 All the conferences are free. 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:31.280 We'll have speaker information coming soon. 00:02:31.500 --> 00:02:32.680 We'll have, it's all finalized. 00:02:32.740 --> 00:02:34.780 Just need to get the pages launched. 00:02:35.040 --> 00:02:37.180 We'll have breakouts coming soon. 00:02:37.260 --> 00:02:38.500 That's not quite finalized. 00:02:38.760 --> 00:02:40.760 There's been a ton of sponsors. 00:02:41.340 --> 00:02:43.720 Like I have, it's been so exciting to me to see. 00:02:43.780 --> 00:02:55.940 By the way, TrueCenter is one of them, but it's been so exciting to me to see the sponsors and organizations, missions, organizations, global corporations lean into this idea 00:02:55.940 --> 00:03:00.220 and supporting the vision behind a digital missionary. 00:03:00.220 --> 00:03:01.700 So be part of that. 00:03:01.860 --> 00:03:09.860 Check out more information on the website, www.missionary.digital. 00:03:10.100 --> 00:03:10.580 Okay. 00:03:10.640 --> 00:03:12.680 Hey, so that's it for the ad stuff. 00:03:12.780 --> 00:03:13.700 Let's get into it. 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:17.580 I want to bring on my friend here, Dr. Tim. 00:03:17.660 --> 00:03:19.160 So I'm going to press the magic button. 00:03:19.480 --> 00:03:21.520 Dr. Tim, how are you doing, sir? 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:24.280 I'm doing well. 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:25.460 Thanks for having me on. 00:03:26.020 --> 00:03:26.780 Awesome, man. 00:03:26.860 --> 00:03:28.340 It's a pleasure to have you on. 00:03:28.420 --> 00:03:32.660 We have been talking about doing this, I don't know, for maybe six months or so. 00:03:32.740 --> 00:03:36.960 I feel like I met you late last year, maybe December, January. 00:03:37.300 --> 00:03:46.200 And I've just been so impressed with TrueCenter from the beginning that I just was like, man, we've got to find ways to integrate this. 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:52.480 We've got to find ways to partner, to work together, and to get more exposure to this. 00:03:52.740 --> 00:03:58.840 But before we get into all that, Dr. Tim, why don't you just take a moment, maybe introduce yourself here a little bit. 00:03:59.240 --> 00:03:59.820 What's your story? 00:03:59.820 --> 00:04:17.300 Well, I've been a pastor for 27 years, pastored four different churches and did everything from college pastor to worship leader, senior pastor, missions pastor, teaching pastor, etc. 00:04:17.300 --> 00:04:32.220 And then the last two and a half years been working with and for TrueCenter with the Christian nonprofit that guides us and enjoy bringing our tools to the world and the digital space. 00:04:32.540 --> 00:04:34.360 So that's that's what I do. 00:04:34.460 --> 00:04:36.960 And happy to tell you more, whatever you want to know. 00:04:37.400 --> 00:04:39.120 Yeah, this is really exciting. 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:40.160 It's interesting. 00:04:40.300 --> 00:04:49.360 We've got we've got some some chat in the room, Pete, Mr. Pete, by the way, I didn't tell you this, Dr. Tim, you're being broadcast right now. 00:04:49.380 --> 00:04:57.240 In addition to YouTube, Mr. Pete most likely is streaming this into virtual reality, into big screen. 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.620 And so congratulations, you are in a headset somewhere. 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:05.980 And and Steve Reed is saying, I did not remember taking this assessment. 00:05:06.420 --> 00:05:07.720 Apparently, I did, though. 00:05:07.940 --> 00:05:08.860 Very interesting. 00:05:09.260 --> 00:05:12.160 Yeah, yeah, you see, you know, somebody your age, you forget things. 00:05:12.340 --> 00:05:12.960 Just kidding. 00:05:13.220 --> 00:05:14.780 Don't want to call you out publicly like that. 00:05:14.840 --> 00:05:15.600 No, maybe I did. 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:18.320 But maybe I think we did take it. 00:05:18.660 --> 00:05:20.020 I think we did take it, Steve. 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:22.440 You were in my my my group or one of them. 00:05:22.520 --> 00:05:25.020 And so I'm willing to put money that that we did. 00:05:25.080 --> 00:05:25.860 I'll have to dig through. 00:05:26.380 --> 00:05:27.640 If not, I'll send you the link. 00:05:27.660 --> 00:05:30.880 You can do it on the house with the TrueCenter assessment. 00:05:30.880 --> 00:05:35.240 We do offer this free for the church digital. 00:05:36.300 --> 00:05:40.900 Dr. Tim TrueCenter was nice enough to help us acquire a grant. 00:05:40.900 --> 00:05:51.640 And so we're able to offer this over the course of the year to anybody who takes our assessment, our equipping digital missionaries cohort. 00:05:51.860 --> 00:05:58.980 It's actually I think it's the it's the first thing that we do is we offer this assessment. 00:05:58.980 --> 00:06:11.200 And one of the things that that I love about this assessment is is the method of pulling information, painfully pulling information, torturing people to get the information out. 00:06:11.280 --> 00:06:14.680 But before we get into that, I want to we'll get in there in a little bit. 00:06:15.880 --> 00:06:20.320 Tell tell me, Dr. Tim, why an assessment? 00:06:20.980 --> 00:06:22.120 What's different? 00:06:22.300 --> 00:06:25.380 Kind of like like walk me through why? 00:06:26.520 --> 00:06:30.660 Why do something like when when there's assessments all over the place? 00:06:30.660 --> 00:06:34.180 And I'm not even talking about like BuzzFeed and the stuff that's online. 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:40.220 Why even go through the effort of doing an assessment like TrueCenter offering it? 00:06:40.220 --> 00:06:52.280 Yeah, well, I came across it back in 2018 after being a pastor who's taken a lot of different assessments and have found them, you know, generally beneficial, some more than others. 00:06:52.820 --> 00:07:00.200 But when I experienced as an early version of TrueCenter back in 2018, I was really impressed by its uniqueness. 00:07:00.740 --> 00:07:06.380 And it's unique, as you know, Jeff, and anyone else who's experienced it, because we actually asked for your stories. 00:07:06.880 --> 00:07:17.300 So it's the only assessment, the first and only that uses your own stories to describe the kind of story that God is writing, you know, in you, writing through you, through you. 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.340 And, you know, stories are essential to us as human beings. 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:22.260 You know, we're part of a greater story. 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.480 Us as followers of Christ, we're stepping into God's story. 00:07:26.620 --> 00:07:32.380 And so we have little stories, basically, that God has placed in us. 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:41.900 And so we're kind of leaning into the storytelling process and getting this very unique report based on your stories. 00:07:42.220 --> 00:07:43.940 Now, Jeff, you described it as torture. 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:46.520 So I'm not sure you're really setting me up well. 00:07:46.840 --> 00:07:49.640 No, no, that was very tongue-in-cheek. 00:07:49.740 --> 00:07:50.460 I'll own that. 00:07:50.740 --> 00:07:54.340 Like, I will, if it, I mean, people that know me, I love to talk about myself. 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:57.920 And so, yeah, maybe there's a little, like, pride and ego in that. 00:07:58.080 --> 00:08:06.820 But the process to get me to do this assessment, to actually, like, contribute the information, you literally ask, like, three stories. 00:08:07.380 --> 00:08:12.060 And then what, like, like, five, the same five questions after each story? 00:08:12.540 --> 00:08:13.960 Yeah, it's more than that. 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:18.260 I think what you found the hardest about it was you had so many stories to choose from. 00:08:18.460 --> 00:08:18.740 Yes. 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:21.240 And it was hard for you to decide which three. 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:23.640 And I didn't do a lot of coaching you through it. 00:08:23.700 --> 00:08:24.960 We kind of gave you the link. 00:08:25.280 --> 00:08:32.540 And then once we chatted, I said, you know, you could choose any three stories as long as they were personally satisfying to you. 00:08:32.880 --> 00:08:38.280 And then secondly, you don't have to write these super long stories like a report. 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:40.740 And that relieved you a lot of burden. 00:08:40.880 --> 00:08:43.740 I think that was one of the things that was pulling you back. 00:08:43.980 --> 00:08:49.520 You were thinking, I have to write a full page, single spaced, you know, a hundred lines. 00:08:49.680 --> 00:08:50.020 Like, no. 00:08:50.340 --> 00:08:52.100 You just need to give us a few sentences. 00:08:52.940 --> 00:08:54.620 Tell us about your story. 00:08:54.680 --> 00:08:55.680 What made you come alive? 00:08:55.760 --> 00:08:56.360 What did you do? 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:58.900 And what was so satisfying about it? 00:08:59.060 --> 00:09:05.260 And we were able to get a very accurate report, which I know you confirmed. 00:09:05.500 --> 00:09:14.860 And you weren't, I'd say you were a little surprised in it because you found some things that you hadn't quite zoned in before. 00:09:15.140 --> 00:09:16.480 And you found it very accurate. 00:09:16.620 --> 00:09:19.440 So we gave language to something that felt very true to you. 00:09:20.100 --> 00:09:21.820 And it's fun for us to do this. 00:09:21.820 --> 00:09:27.920 We have, you know, 10,000 students, college students going through True Center this December at the Urbana Conference. 00:09:28.740 --> 00:09:34.520 And we've had many, many, many others use the assessment over the years. 00:09:34.660 --> 00:09:37.260 I'm glad you're one of the great people who's used it. 00:09:37.380 --> 00:09:43.820 And now talking about it, I would love to get this out to all the other great digital missionaries that you are reaching. 00:09:44.980 --> 00:09:48.460 Not only in the U.S., but of course, around the world, everywhere. 00:09:48.460 --> 00:09:59.080 We think it's a great tool to help people understand their leadership, their gifts, how God wants to use them, you know, while we're still here until he returns, right? 00:09:59.300 --> 00:09:59.440 No. 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:00.060 Yes. 00:10:00.220 --> 00:10:01.680 Yeah, I love all this. 00:10:02.020 --> 00:10:06.820 The True Center, I was, so it's based on motivations. 00:10:07.900 --> 00:10:09.460 And it was interesting. 00:10:09.580 --> 00:10:15.140 I think this is the first assessment I've taken that rated me on motivations. 00:10:15.520 --> 00:10:18.880 Like, you know, there's some that are skill set or wiring. 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:22.740 And we do a lot with APEST as well, which is another assessment. 00:10:23.020 --> 00:10:25.280 But it's more on, like, the five-fold ministry. 00:10:26.340 --> 00:10:35.800 For this, it's more on, like, what I'm motivated on or, like, what I'm biased to do, I guess. 00:10:35.940 --> 00:10:45.460 Like, what is it that makes the motivations the thing to really look into, to explore, to assess on ourselves? 00:10:46.280 --> 00:10:51.940 Yeah, well, let me share this one slide that I know you have prepped up for me. 00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:53.600 This is the one I shared today. 00:10:54.400 --> 00:10:56.800 And it's simply, you know, why another assessment? 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:01.920 You know, the unique piece is we just think stories are so powerful to how God has made us. 00:11:01.980 --> 00:11:08.320 And stories is really the best indication of what God's doing in us and what he wants to do through us. 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:17.700 And so we say, you know, some other great tools out there are really great personality assessments, really talking about kind of how I'm made. 00:11:17.740 --> 00:11:18.620 And we think that's great. 00:11:19.160 --> 00:11:25.300 Some other great assessments might talk about your strengths, whether those are learned or more innate. 00:11:25.400 --> 00:11:26.700 You know, what am I good at? 00:11:26.780 --> 00:11:29.200 And we get at the intersection of the why. 00:11:29.580 --> 00:11:31.780 You know, why do I do, you know, what I do? 00:11:31.780 --> 00:11:39.060 And so that's what makes True Center different, is it's the intersection of how I'm made and what am I good. 00:11:39.140 --> 00:11:42.880 And we really think that's your why and how God has made you. 00:11:42.940 --> 00:11:49.480 So we see that from, you know, Genesis 1, Genesis 2, God's beautiful creation. 00:11:49.700 --> 00:11:54.080 You know, you know, we are very good, but also made in his image, the Imago Dei. 00:11:54.320 --> 00:12:06.840 And we see that particularly for Christians, for followers of Christ, you know, Ephesians 2, 10, that God has crafted us as his workmanship, as his, in the Greek, his poemas. 00:12:07.020 --> 00:12:11.860 And we think motivations is a part, a key part of that craftsmanship. 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:22.320 So it's not just how I'm made, not just what I'm good at, but that intersection, which is the why, the motivational side that God puts within us, desires, good desires. 00:12:23.260 --> 00:12:27.120 That's part of his outworking of his plan, you know, through us. 00:12:27.260 --> 00:12:32.080 And so Ephesians 2, 10 is something we look at as well as God as the craftsman. 00:12:32.340 --> 00:12:35.620 And he crafted you, Jeff, in a very unique way, right? 00:12:35.680 --> 00:12:45.820 And so I think that's where our assessment, not only accurately, but I think really gave you the language of some unique things about you that can be hard to explain sometimes. 00:12:46.160 --> 00:12:50.000 I think for you, it's powerful for people to say, this is how God has made me. 00:12:50.060 --> 00:12:51.920 And I think this is a gift I'm supposed to use. 00:12:51.920 --> 00:12:57.320 And I know you can misunderstand it, but, you know, help me, help me lean into this. 00:12:57.380 --> 00:13:03.420 And I think I have a gift to share that's going to continue to be a blessing in the kingdom work that we're about. 00:13:04.220 --> 00:13:04.620 Totally. 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:05.080 Yeah. 00:13:05.140 --> 00:13:07.580 One of the things, so, you know, I got the report back. 00:13:07.660 --> 00:13:12.920 I did the assessment early, late, maybe December of last year, December 24th. 00:13:13.920 --> 00:13:18.180 And I had, so I told my stories, I answered the questions. 00:13:18.380 --> 00:13:23.600 It was super painless, like very quick, very easy for me to get into. 00:13:23.780 --> 00:13:27.080 I even remember the three stories I told, completely abstract. 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:32.840 It was similar stories, but like just spread out over a couple decades of it. 00:13:33.260 --> 00:13:40.480 And so it generated, I'm looking at the report, I pulled it up, but I've got my three motivations. 00:13:41.280 --> 00:13:45.400 And so my third motivation, actually, no, there are five motivations, right? 00:13:45.820 --> 00:13:50.060 And so number five was, oh, let me do, let me push that. 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:50.840 I'm sorry, I take it off. 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:53.800 Number five was meet the challenge. 00:13:54.660 --> 00:13:56.640 Meet the challenge. 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:01.680 And that's, you know, if you know me, like I often tell the stories of, you know, I don't 00:14:01.680 --> 00:14:02.380 like to hear no. 00:14:02.500 --> 00:14:06.500 Usually when somebody tells me no, I'm just like, fine, I'll do it myself and just go that. 00:14:07.140 --> 00:14:09.580 You know, once again, I'm pulling a china shop. 00:14:09.680 --> 00:14:10.240 You know, I get it. 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:11.140 That's my way. 00:14:11.220 --> 00:14:11.420 I'm cool. 00:14:11.460 --> 00:14:11.940 I understand. 00:14:12.880 --> 00:14:15.580 Make an impact is number four, motivation. 00:14:16.260 --> 00:14:23.480 And that too, you know, I feel that I'm very driven towards impact and I've lived a 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:24.500 life that fits that. 00:14:25.900 --> 00:14:28.820 Number three, motivation, identify potential. 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:36.380 This is starting to be, okay, this is something that is true about me, but it was the, maybe 00:14:36.380 --> 00:14:41.120 some of the first time that I've seen that in an assessment, you know, it's like, it's, 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:42.220 it's the, Hey, I want it. 00:14:42.260 --> 00:14:45.160 I want to build the church digital bigger than myself. 00:14:45.160 --> 00:14:46.540 You've heard me say that a lot. 00:14:47.040 --> 00:14:52.860 You've seen me, you know, in my life platform, lots of other people in this space and try to 00:14:52.860 --> 00:14:56.920 mentor and develop more digital pastors, more digital missionaries in this. 00:14:56.920 --> 00:15:02.160 And, and so working, identifying that potential and, and, and helping to, to mature and to 00:15:02.160 --> 00:15:06.760 grow that on a lot of the work that it did with Stadia leadership network, exponential new 00:15:06.760 --> 00:15:07.040 thing. 00:15:07.040 --> 00:15:09.180 Like there's so many in that space. 00:15:09.180 --> 00:15:16.160 And so this was a, this was a truth spoken into my life that I didn't realize was one of 00:15:16.160 --> 00:15:16.800 my motivations. 00:15:16.800 --> 00:15:22.380 I was like, yes, yes, actually I am motivated to do that, but I didn't realize it until the 00:15:22.380 --> 00:15:29.540 report told me overcome overcome is, is, is a, is a, a common theme, uh, in, in my own life. 00:15:29.820 --> 00:15:37.460 But the number one thing, the number one motivation for me, and this is the one that was like, 00:15:37.460 --> 00:15:46.340 it's about time I see it on paper and to, to validate this existence in my life is the idea of, 00:15:46.340 --> 00:15:55.660 of, of, of exploring the motivation to explore and, and that, you know, Dr. Tim, that opened 00:15:55.660 --> 00:16:01.860 up something in me because that is a hundred percent who I am. 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:13.300 But once again, it has never been like identified, categorized, validated in my life until I see 00:16:13.300 --> 00:16:15.200 it on, on this report late 24. 00:16:15.800 --> 00:16:19.500 Like, you know, I typically walk into jobs where there is no job description. 00:16:19.700 --> 00:16:23.180 They're like, could you write your own job description and, and, and just, you know, 00:16:23.180 --> 00:16:29.100 go to town and to see it, you know, like, like you saying, exploring is my number one motivation 00:16:29.100 --> 00:16:31.880 brought just such a piece to my life. 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:32.200 Yeah. 00:16:32.280 --> 00:16:33.520 I just want to validate that. 00:16:33.520 --> 00:16:38.040 Well, it actually is very predictive of, of the kinds of roles that you're drawn to. 00:16:38.560 --> 00:16:41.500 You're drawn to roles where you get to explore. 00:16:41.640 --> 00:16:43.840 So it's very unconscious for you, likely. 00:16:44.460 --> 00:16:50.920 Um, and sometimes probably explore is one of the more misunderstood gifts, uh, of the motivations. 00:16:50.920 --> 00:16:52.160 We have 32 motivations. 00:16:52.160 --> 00:16:54.160 We give you details for your top five. 00:16:54.520 --> 00:16:59.280 We think certainly if they're top 10, all, all matter, um, certainly know your bottom five 00:16:59.280 --> 00:17:03.760 is helpful to things that motivate you less, even if you're good at them, they're still 00:17:03.760 --> 00:17:07.440 less motivating, but exploring was your clear number one. 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:12.660 And that's really, uh, important for you to be able to look at, to see if you agree with 00:17:12.660 --> 00:17:13.660 you certainly did. 00:17:13.940 --> 00:17:15.800 And that drives a lot of what you do. 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.920 And it's not just in your work life or your ministry life. 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:19.900 It's in your relationships. 00:17:20.460 --> 00:17:25.160 When Jeff is at his best, when you're listening to the Lord and using the gifts and how he's 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:29.000 crafted you, exploration is a big part of it. 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:32.660 Um, you know, it says you're gifted at being curious. 00:17:32.980 --> 00:17:36.540 You're not only good at it, you like doing, you want to do it. 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:40.240 And so we're, what we're saying, you're not only good at it, but that's actually a God 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:45.840 given curiosity more than, you know, like explorers and as high as, as yours. 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:49.300 So it's just not something that I'm as naturally wired for. 00:17:49.340 --> 00:17:54.100 It isn't, excuse me for not exploring, but it certainly leads me to celebrate, man. 00:17:54.100 --> 00:17:56.580 I get to partner with Jeff who loves to explore. 00:17:57.280 --> 00:18:01.740 Um, and I, you know, one of my top five, I'm a meet needs guy. 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:04.400 So I love looking at gaps and seeing where there are needs. 00:18:04.620 --> 00:18:09.940 And I would love to partner with Jeff to explore how we can meet this need in a creative way. 00:18:09.940 --> 00:18:10.220 Right. 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:13.560 Cause my meet needs motivation, uh, rise. 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:17.700 I just want to serve, get it done, but I may not tend to explore more options. 00:18:18.040 --> 00:18:18.440 Right. 00:18:18.500 --> 00:18:21.420 So partnering with you, you're going to say, well, Tim, maybe thought of it this way, 00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:27.700 you know, so real often you're curious and your curiosity will lead you to some interesting 00:18:27.700 --> 00:18:29.740 places, pushing boundaries. 00:18:29.740 --> 00:18:31.760 You're fueling imaginations. 00:18:32.300 --> 00:18:34.600 Um, you don't generally do the status quo. 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:36.120 You're expanding horizons. 00:18:36.120 --> 00:18:42.780 Like I could imagine some conservative Christian circles may not have celebrated your explore 00:18:42.780 --> 00:18:43.960 gift in the past. 00:18:46.760 --> 00:18:49.740 I'm not sure why I find that so funny, but yeah, that's one way to say it. 00:18:50.080 --> 00:18:56.020 Um, but the, and that, that's to me, that's the thing that when, when hearing it and seeing 00:18:56.020 --> 00:19:00.600 it, it was like, there's, I'm using the word validation. 00:19:00.600 --> 00:19:06.680 I really, I don't know of a, of a, of a better word, but there's validity in, in that. 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:13.260 And, and you, um, seeing that validity, like it, it, it really, it touched a nerve in me 00:19:13.260 --> 00:19:20.360 where it was like, Hey, the way you're wired, the way you're gifted, um, there is purpose 00:19:20.360 --> 00:19:21.160 behind it. 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:24.460 It can be a spiritually glorifying. 00:19:24.460 --> 00:19:28.980 Now exploring can be, you know, destructive at the same time. 00:19:28.980 --> 00:19:33.720 Um, and so like, I'm not, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole, but the, the idea 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:42.280 of that God created me this way and that motivation can be used and is being used and is validated 00:19:42.280 --> 00:19:43.960 in that being used. 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:49.140 Um, that was, it was just, it really hit me at the right place in the right time, which 00:19:49.140 --> 00:19:54.860 may be just, well, with this assessment, hits a lot of people at the, at the right place 00:19:54.860 --> 00:19:55.780 at the right time. 00:19:56.460 --> 00:20:02.360 Um, because it's so accurate, because it's so unique that we use stories, uh, to, to drive 00:20:02.360 --> 00:20:03.380 that accuracy. 00:20:03.940 --> 00:20:05.780 And then it's, it's very actionable. 00:20:06.100 --> 00:20:10.440 You know, I think for you, it really affirmed the work that you're doing, uh, with the church 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:10.860 digital. 00:20:11.140 --> 00:20:11.540 Right. 00:20:11.540 --> 00:20:17.540 And when I meant that in the past, you may have experienced some friction or some restrictions, 00:20:17.540 --> 00:20:22.700 you know, from the, I say the conservative evangelical church, I really meant more in the, the traditional 00:20:22.700 --> 00:20:23.000 side. 00:20:23.080 --> 00:20:24.280 I'm not talking the theologically. 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:29.480 I'm talking more to the tradition of like, well, this is just how we do things. 00:20:29.840 --> 00:20:30.940 And you're curious. 00:20:31.060 --> 00:20:31.560 Well, why? 00:20:31.900 --> 00:20:33.380 Well, why do we do it that way? 00:20:33.520 --> 00:20:35.100 Why couldn't we do it a different way? 00:20:35.540 --> 00:20:37.700 You know, why do we not leverage this technology? 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:40.160 Couldn't we possibly, you know, do it? 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:47.220 And so the possibility thinking really is a gift, but in certain environments, that scene 00:20:47.220 --> 00:20:48.200 is more of a hassle. 00:20:48.760 --> 00:20:48.900 Right. 00:20:49.020 --> 00:20:54.920 And so I think you're going to be drawn to places that celebrate that curiosity of doing 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:56.980 things that aren't the status quo, right? 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.060 So look at what you're doing, right? 00:20:58.100 --> 00:21:04.160 You're reaching millions of people in the digital space and many ways leading the way to have 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:07.300 that conversation of, isn't this mission work too? 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:12.660 In fact, isn't this the essential mission work we should be about now? 00:21:12.660 --> 00:21:18.060 I mean, look at how many people are constantly in this digital space. 00:21:18.180 --> 00:21:24.580 Now, I know you're not someone who is over romanticizes technology to the point of saying, 00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:25.820 oh, we don't need in person. 00:21:26.080 --> 00:21:27.620 It's like, well, of course we need in person. 00:21:28.840 --> 00:21:35.420 But how can we even improve in person by leveraging the different technologies? 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:40.580 And so I think your explore, that's, I'll call it a superpower, a God-given superpower, 00:21:41.340 --> 00:21:46.300 has been in there for a long time as our theory that our stories bear that out from any age. 00:21:47.340 --> 00:21:53.060 We actually are theory too, because we've seen this bear out, that these gifts are part of the 00:21:53.060 --> 00:21:58.340 Imago Dei, which means every human being is made in the image of God. 00:21:58.480 --> 00:21:59.680 There is goodness. 00:21:59.820 --> 00:22:02.620 I'm not saying they're all saved, but there's goodness in each human being. 00:22:03.140 --> 00:22:07.860 And so because it's part of the Imago Dei, we think these motivational gifts are actually in every human being. 00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:12.640 So even though True Center was made for the ministry space and made for Christians, 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:16.580 it works for any human being because we're all made in the image of God. 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:21.640 And so therefore, it really shows how God is gracious to every human being. 00:22:21.760 --> 00:22:26.540 He gifts, not saying spiritual gifts, which I think are reserved for the redeemed, 00:22:27.080 --> 00:22:35.040 but these motivational gifts really point to the way that God has graced each human being by making them in his image. 00:22:35.620 --> 00:22:39.360 Everyone's gifted in some way, and we give the language for it, right? 00:22:39.360 --> 00:22:47.200 And so there's actually a lot of potential for this as a ministry evangelism tool if someone wants to use it that way. 00:22:47.620 --> 00:22:55.060 We largely use it to encourage missionaries, encourage leaders and pastors to help use their giftings of God has crafted them. 00:22:55.380 --> 00:23:05.200 But it also opens a conversation of, could this help anyone understand how they're there to help themselves understand themselves at their best? 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:10.260 And then we ask the question for a non-believer of, well, who's the one who made you this way? 00:23:11.260 --> 00:23:16.180 Who do you think is behind crafting you so amazingly, building in this goodness in you? 00:23:16.540 --> 00:23:17.880 Would you like to get to know him? 00:23:18.040 --> 00:23:18.980 You know, his name is Jesus. 00:23:19.820 --> 00:23:24.300 You know, that's how I hope it would happen in these virtual spaces that people could even take True Center 00:23:24.300 --> 00:23:31.720 and experience something that literally is just a benefit to any human being, regardless of whether they're Christian or not. 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:34.040 And then be that bridge of conversation. 00:23:34.040 --> 00:23:39.960 For those who are listening, who are in that evangelism space, you know, as well, this is an opportunity. 00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:47.160 But what a great tool just to provide, I think, soul care for the missionary, soul care for the leader like you, Jeff. 00:23:47.540 --> 00:23:49.760 You know, this ministry is not easy, right? 00:23:49.800 --> 00:23:53.280 And so this is a way to say, you know, God made you special, made you good. 00:23:53.780 --> 00:23:56.460 We have some beautiful things for you to look up on. 00:23:57.320 --> 00:23:58.440 It's heartwarming, right? 00:23:58.620 --> 00:24:05.160 And the idea of using it as an evangelism tool, as a way to start a conversation, build a relationship with somebody, 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:07.740 or maybe even someone, you know, invite them to do it together. 00:24:08.260 --> 00:24:16.820 Trade stories, trade, you know, go through the assessment together and then use that as a bridge to start a conversation, 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:18.180 get into gospel conversations. 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:19.940 That is so rich. 00:24:20.860 --> 00:24:22.800 I do it all the time. 00:24:23.080 --> 00:24:30.200 And True Center is pretty easy for me to talk about in terms of, you know, it's a leadership tool or it's a self-discovery tool. 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:35.540 And, you know, I know it's a discipleship tool, but if I'm just sitting in an Uber ride, I'm talking about it, 00:24:35.540 --> 00:24:36.640 I'll say, oh, I have this tool. 00:24:36.820 --> 00:24:38.140 I'll give it away for free. 00:24:38.980 --> 00:24:48.560 And, you know, use that as the Lord prompting me to open up a spiritual conversation with someone who may not know Jesus yet, right? 00:24:48.560 --> 00:24:55.620 And so I help people with career decisions or choosing colleges or they're stuck in a relationship thing. 00:24:56.040 --> 00:25:01.640 And True Center really helps people understand themselves and helps them understand other people better. 00:25:01.780 --> 00:25:03.240 I know it's been powerful for you. 00:25:03.360 --> 00:25:09.340 And so that's why love for any of the listeners watching this live or after the fact, use that. 00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:11.180 I'm sure you'll post a link later. 00:25:11.280 --> 00:25:11.980 They can take it. 00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:14.840 And then you're trained in being a certified facilitator. 00:25:15.080 --> 00:25:21.680 And so that allows you, Jeff, and anyone else, obviously, we'll talk others who might want to get trained, too, 00:25:21.760 --> 00:25:24.900 to have these conversations in the digital space, right? 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:30.500 You can have a whole True Center VR experience if you'd like, right? 00:25:30.600 --> 00:25:32.100 It could be fun to do that as well. 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:35.380 We could post your top five in some visual way. 00:25:35.500 --> 00:25:35.820 There you go. 00:25:36.140 --> 00:25:42.500 Maybe we can make some moving icons or something when your top five get animated somehow. 00:25:43.100 --> 00:25:43.540 I don't know. 00:25:44.540 --> 00:25:46.920 We've got some world builders that could probably pull that off. 00:25:47.360 --> 00:25:48.160 Hey, listen. 00:25:48.380 --> 00:25:53.040 Yeah, I do want to give, if you're watching this stream, if you're interested in True Center, 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:55.800 I will connect with you. 00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:57.340 I will give you the link directly. 00:25:57.520 --> 00:25:58.420 Here's what you can do. 00:25:58.900 --> 00:26:04.440 Email me, jeff at thechurch.digital or the better option, jeff at thechurch.digital 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:09.100 or the better option, jump into our WhatsApp and Discord communities, 00:26:09.340 --> 00:26:14.220 whatsapp.thechurch.digital or discord.thechurch.digital and ask in there. 00:26:14.500 --> 00:26:15.700 I'll see it. 00:26:15.760 --> 00:26:17.640 We'll share the link and post it. 00:26:18.120 --> 00:26:27.000 We have a number of assessments, but I also don't want this thing to leak out and to end up burning out the entire grant. 00:26:27.120 --> 00:26:28.320 And so ask me directly. 00:26:28.700 --> 00:26:33.580 I'll get you that information and we'll be good to go towards it. 00:26:33.660 --> 00:26:37.380 And so Mr. Pete, Mr. Pete is already asking, how do I get that? 00:26:37.460 --> 00:26:38.640 Mr. Pete, I'll get it to you. 00:26:38.940 --> 00:26:40.140 No problem at all. 00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:41.920 And anybody else in the mix. 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:46.300 By the way, if there's questions in chat, feel free to ask away on that as well. 00:26:46.380 --> 00:26:48.740 Love that you guys and gals are hanging out with us. 00:26:49.740 --> 00:27:01.140 On our end, too, we were happy to give you the grant as well because you're doing such a unique thing in being so dedicated to the digital space. 00:27:03.140 --> 00:27:06.720 Everyone's in the digital space, but you have this focus to be excellent at it. 00:27:06.840 --> 00:27:14.620 You're always exploring new ways to how do we overcome barriers, technological barriers, philosophical barriers. 00:27:14.900 --> 00:27:19.540 I mean, that's a huge one, the philosophical barrier, which is a theological barrier as well. 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.200 And so we're happy to give this grant. 00:27:22.280 --> 00:27:26.040 And so there's not a problem with many, many people using it. 00:27:26.060 --> 00:27:27.280 But thank you for the sensitivity. 00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:29.920 You're not just posting it publicly somewhere. 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:35.320 But, you know, if you have hundreds of people who end up using it, you know, we built that into the grant. 00:27:35.320 --> 00:27:36.780 We can handle that. 00:27:37.260 --> 00:27:45.220 And you also have a lot of coaching to do to give feedback to everyone who's going to want to go deeper into the report, you know. 00:27:45.900 --> 00:27:48.180 Dr. Tim's giving the house away here on the stream. 00:27:48.320 --> 00:27:48.800 I love it. 00:27:49.060 --> 00:27:56.500 So, yeah, if you're interested in getting the grant for your organization, I'll happily introduce you and connect you over there. 00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:59.800 And the onboarding process was super easy. 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:03.420 And he went through, I took the assessment. 00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:06.800 He coached, actually, Stacey, I think, went through it as well. 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.120 He coached Stacey and I through it and helped us understand. 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:16.560 Now, let me ask, because we talked about how every human, anybody can do this, Christian, non-Christian. 00:28:17.560 --> 00:28:23.720 There's 30, 25, 35, 32 motivations. 00:28:24.620 --> 00:28:26.640 What are, like, I rattled off mine. 00:28:27.760 --> 00:28:32.020 Like, what are some other motivations that people might have? 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:34.240 Yeah, absolutely. 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:40.920 Let me, I'll, how about I'll read some and you can just pause me if it's getting boring or whatever it is. 00:28:41.300 --> 00:28:45.660 So, yeah, so all this, let me just, we'll go through them all. 00:28:45.760 --> 00:28:48.660 So, of the 32, I'll do an alphabetical. 00:28:49.280 --> 00:28:51.600 So, advance is the first one. 00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:58.080 And that means you're someone who creates momentum as you make progress and advance towards your goals and milestones. 00:28:59.340 --> 00:29:00.880 And then there's architects. 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:06.220 You develop detailed plans and then oversee the execution of those plans. 00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:07.580 Be key. 00:29:07.760 --> 00:29:09.120 I'm a be key person. 00:29:09.540 --> 00:29:17.500 I'm motivated to be a key person who holds things together and it gives them meaning and or direction. 00:29:17.620 --> 00:29:19.760 You don't have to be an upfront person like me. 00:29:19.860 --> 00:29:20.980 I do love that as well. 00:29:21.260 --> 00:29:22.480 You can be behind the scenes. 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.980 But being key is just knowing you're a key person who holds things together. 00:29:26.600 --> 00:29:29.800 Be unique is another one that's often misunderstood. 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:41.700 God has made you to be gifted at distinguishing yourself by displaying some kind of talent or quality or aspect, something that's distinctive and special. 00:29:42.360 --> 00:29:47.960 And so, the be unique gift is powerful but often misunderstood. 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:50.480 Collaborate is one. 00:29:51.020 --> 00:29:57.720 I'm not the highest in collaborate, but you're drawn to a group or team where you all have the same goal and a common purpose. 00:29:58.620 --> 00:30:00.740 Are comprehend and express people. 00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:05.640 You're motivated to go deep in your understanding of knowledge, concepts, or complexities. 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:10.400 And then explain, write, or teach them to others. 00:30:11.180 --> 00:30:12.060 I'm going to keep going. 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.400 Demonstrate learning is similar but a little different. 00:30:15.040 --> 00:30:19.980 You're motivated to learn how to do something new and then show that you can do it. 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:20.320 Okay. 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:21.880 Demonstrate learning. 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.480 Is there one that's like the high that's like everybody? 00:30:24.840 --> 00:30:27.760 Like what's the one that – 00:30:27.760 --> 00:30:28.880 There really isn't one. 00:30:29.140 --> 00:30:29.400 Okay. 00:30:29.560 --> 00:30:29.780 Nope. 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:30.680 There isn't really one. 00:30:30.760 --> 00:30:38.960 Now, of course, we're probably – I'd say only in the kind of 100,000 people have taken it stage. 00:30:39.840 --> 00:30:40.660 So we haven't had a million. 00:30:40.660 --> 00:30:41.600 That's a small sample, yeah. 00:30:42.380 --> 00:30:42.780 Yeah. 00:30:42.780 --> 00:30:45.380 I mean, we don't have a million people yet who've taken it. 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:45.620 Yeah. 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.060 We have analyzed over a million stories, though. 00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:49.240 I will say that. 00:30:49.300 --> 00:30:54.900 But we don't have, you know, a million reports generated for us to do the analysis. 00:30:55.120 --> 00:30:59.980 But I would say there isn't definitely one that always comes up. 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:01.080 Everyone's unique. 00:31:01.220 --> 00:31:04.620 And then we think it's the cluster of that top five. 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:07.720 Even, Jeff, as you look back at your report, we give you all 32. 00:31:07.840 --> 00:31:15.960 You look at that cluster of your top 10, you're going to find that you live in that top 10, top 12 pretty regularly. 00:31:16.860 --> 00:31:27.920 Even though your top five are maybe the strongest or maybe even your number one, you know, is really the strongest, you'll still see that cluster of top 10 kind of working together. 00:31:28.020 --> 00:31:33.080 And that's where your stories point to, that, you know, you're a very unique person, right? 00:31:33.080 --> 00:31:52.320 And that your top five, even just taking your top five in their ranked order, it makes you very unique, Jeff, because the same person having the same top five in the same ranking is at least like one in 28 million, you know, just your same five in the same ranked order. 00:31:52.540 --> 00:31:59.200 And that doesn't even come into consideration of the kinds of rankings or the level of rankings or some are tied. 00:31:59.760 --> 00:32:01.960 So it's even a greater variation. 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:14.300 So what's beautiful about our TrueCenter results is that you really get to see how unique you are because of your top five, because of the cluster of the top 10. 00:32:14.860 --> 00:32:18.240 At the same time, it's very simple and understandable report. 00:32:18.620 --> 00:32:22.160 And so, but working with the coach, we think is ideal. 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:31.400 It's not necessary, but we have seen some really powerful things when you reflect on your report with someone else, particularly someone who's certified. 00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:38.640 Um, just because we're, we're just training people to be good listeners, look for some patterns, but really it's just your stories. 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.000 These are just your stories. 00:32:40.180 --> 00:32:44.720 And then we just give you language to describe patterns you see in your stories. 00:32:44.860 --> 00:32:46.980 And we ask you for your best stories. 00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:57.780 And so we're looking for patterns of joy, patterns of godly satisfaction that, that God has built into you, um, for us being part of the Imago Dei. 00:32:57.780 --> 00:33:01.740 So it's fun for us to see people experience TrueCenter. 00:33:02.340 --> 00:33:03.860 We're excited about Urbana. 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:05.500 We're excited about you. 00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:09.940 We're excited about, um, I have a group of Catholic, 400 Catholic coaches, actually. 00:33:10.100 --> 00:33:16.380 Some of our Catholic friends are using it, getting into that and, um, fun to train all of them. 00:33:16.380 --> 00:33:21.200 And they, those 400 Catholic coaches are going out to the world, right. 00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:26.300 And helping people understand their TrueCenter results, you know, also. 00:33:26.300 --> 00:33:28.820 So it's a ton of fun for me. 00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:39.040 I know it's been impactful for you and have a lot of other leaders like you who have been really, really, um, I'd even say touched, um, by receiving the result. 00:33:39.140 --> 00:33:48.200 And then, and then talk, again, just talking through it with someone, hopefully it'll be you, you know, and, uh, and be able to reflect on how God has made them, you know. 00:33:48.560 --> 00:33:49.000 Beautiful. 00:33:49.520 --> 00:33:53.400 Is there, I don't, I don't want to get too far under the hood here. 00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:58.260 And so, like, if it's, if I'm asking about the secret sauce, drop the question. 00:33:58.620 --> 00:33:58.800 Yeah. 00:33:58.860 --> 00:34:02.000 But, like, the, the story is so unique. 00:34:02.580 --> 00:34:06.100 Are you, like, are you actually analyzing the text? 00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:07.140 Does it run through AI? 00:34:08.160 --> 00:34:09.960 Like, I, I, I, great question. 00:34:10.240 --> 00:34:10.400 Yeah. 00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:10.600 Yeah. 00:34:10.600 --> 00:34:11.040 All fair. 00:34:11.160 --> 00:34:12.000 So let me say this. 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:13.640 I could say this at this point. 00:34:14.240 --> 00:34:21.280 Uh, we have every ability to analyze, um, the, the words that you use, the stories. 00:34:21.540 --> 00:34:34.160 But we choose right now to actually just use our own kind of proprietary algorithm, uh, without using AI to analyze, um, the words that you're using in the stories. 00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:41.400 And so what we are doing is you remember, or you share your one story, your first story, then we ask you 32 questions. 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:49.880 We ask you to score yourself, rank yourself on the level of satisfaction of that statement, that motivational statement related to your story. 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:55.600 And then you do the second story and you answer 32 different set of questions or statements. 00:34:55.600 --> 00:34:59.820 They're all related to the 32 motivations, but we don't tell you which one they're related to. 00:35:00.220 --> 00:35:06.340 And then you do your third story and you answer the 32, um, again, self-scoring 32 times. 00:35:06.680 --> 00:35:16.920 And then what we do, we ask you to rank the three stories of, okay, now if you had to rank the three stories, which one is your number one, most deeply satisfying, which is your number two, number three. 00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:18.080 And that, that could be a challenge. 00:35:18.160 --> 00:35:19.280 That might be the painful part. 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.720 You remember like, Oh, how do I rank my three stories? 00:35:22.040 --> 00:35:23.620 My three stories are all meaningful. 00:35:24.260 --> 00:35:28.100 Um, and then also you rack your brain of like, Oh, did I choose the right three stories? 00:35:28.100 --> 00:35:28.400 Right. 00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.980 No, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. 00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:33.500 And that's the reason why it doesn't matter. 00:35:33.740 --> 00:35:40.220 And that's part of the reason why I personally use AI in my coaching after the report is done. 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:52.240 So that's why you don't have to put a lot of information in your stories because we're not analyzing the words on the front end, but I am analyzing the words on the backend. 00:35:52.820 --> 00:36:01.920 So I take your report, Jeff, and before we have a coaching session, I run it through my different, you know, um, you know, some ways proprietary AI. 00:36:02.120 --> 00:36:11.500 And I am able to give you a very, uh, I'd say thoughtful feedback on explore and how that tied into your stories. 00:36:11.500 --> 00:36:11.880 Yeah. 00:36:12.120 --> 00:36:14.680 Um, so that's what we choose to do. 00:36:14.680 --> 00:36:16.820 And again, that's not giving away all the secret sauce. 00:36:17.040 --> 00:36:20.860 Now, do we have the ability to turn it on and change your report? 00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:21.420 We do. 00:36:21.740 --> 00:36:24.840 We don't offer that right now, but we know how to do it. 00:36:24.980 --> 00:36:28.860 We're, we experiment with it as well, but there's something nice about it right now. 00:36:28.940 --> 00:36:39.260 We're just using your three stories, not analyzing words, but we are looking at your scores and the way you rank them and using our algorithm just within that. 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.900 And then after the fact, we're, I'm using AI to the coaching feedback. 00:36:43.900 --> 00:36:46.940 So if you, that's enough, but I could share that. 00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:47.400 Yeah. 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:53.980 If you asked 32 questions after each story, they were the painless, easiest questions. 00:36:54.180 --> 00:36:57.320 I, you said 32 and I'm like, no, it's like five or six. 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:05.780 Like it was, you know, most people will write a story, answer the questions. 00:37:05.780 --> 00:37:07.320 They do it three times in under 30 minutes. 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:08.540 So it's about 10 minutes. 00:37:08.540 --> 00:37:10.960 Maybe it's five minutes to write the story. 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:16.660 And because when you're writing a story, you're saying like my example was, I think I even shared my report with you. 00:37:16.660 --> 00:37:24.820 My, my, my example was, um, uh, helping the chosen TV look at using AI for language translation, right? 00:37:24.820 --> 00:37:26.500 I have a friend who works for the chosen. 00:37:26.500 --> 00:37:28.300 And then what did I do? 00:37:28.300 --> 00:37:32.020 Well, I help my friend connect with another friend is what I said. 00:37:32.540 --> 00:37:34.460 Uh, what was so meaningful about it? 00:37:34.500 --> 00:37:39.040 Well, just knowing that I played a key role in helping me to need that made an impact. 00:37:39.040 --> 00:37:39.440 Right. 00:37:39.500 --> 00:37:40.300 So that's what I said. 00:37:40.300 --> 00:37:44.100 Then I answered 32 questions, but that's all I wrote. 00:37:44.380 --> 00:37:47.140 I wrote four sentences, five sentences. 00:37:47.140 --> 00:37:47.580 Yeah. 00:37:47.580 --> 00:37:50.100 Now I can write a hundred sentences if I want. 00:37:50.100 --> 00:37:51.700 Now we do the formatting. 00:37:51.700 --> 00:37:53.500 It's kind of messed up if you write too much. 00:37:53.500 --> 00:37:59.020 And we've had that happen a couple of times, but yeah, well, you can write a whole page worth if you want, but you don't have to. 00:37:59.020 --> 00:38:05.300 What matters is that I'm thinking of the story when the questions asked, rank yourself from one to 10, Tim. 00:38:06.020 --> 00:38:09.620 Was it, was it making an impact? 00:38:10.100 --> 00:38:11.900 How satisfying was that for you? 00:38:11.900 --> 00:38:13.900 I'd say 10, right? 00:38:14.380 --> 00:38:20.100 Then it say, then I'll ask you rank one to 10, doing it exactly the right way. 00:38:21.260 --> 00:38:22.460 Two, right? 00:38:22.460 --> 00:38:23.900 So 32 times. 00:38:23.900 --> 00:38:31.740 And that's what happened was meet needs, make an impact, establish, persuade, which means influence. 00:38:33.420 --> 00:38:39.460 Those were all super high, you know, in there because of the way I answered those questions, ranked in one to 10. 00:38:39.460 --> 00:38:47.260 And the main thing is to remember, since we'll have several people, I'm sure, after seeing this, who'll take it, is just don't use nine and 10 all the time. 00:38:47.260 --> 00:38:48.420 Use it just a few times. 00:38:49.100 --> 00:38:53.700 When you're asking your story, you write your story, and then we'll ask you a question. 00:38:54.140 --> 00:38:56.220 Don't mark everything 10, don't mark everything 9. 00:38:56.340 --> 00:38:58.820 So, you know, do a few 10s, maybe a few 9s. 00:38:59.180 --> 00:39:01.540 And that's what helps your scores differentiate. 00:39:01.540 --> 00:39:09.380 We know what is the most motivating versus what is kind of middle motivating versus what's kind of on the lower end motivating. 00:39:09.380 --> 00:39:11.700 That's what's most helpful to people. 00:39:12.340 --> 00:39:23.580 So I hope you'll get tons of people using the link with the grant and also taking advantage of your coaching that the grant also covered, coaching you for sure. 00:39:23.580 --> 00:39:33.740 So I want everyone to take advantage of the church digital grant, but do reach out to me of a ministry that could benefit from some some free assessments because they're friends of you, Jeff. 00:39:33.740 --> 00:39:42.380 I'd want to be able to make that happen for the for the right ministry that I don't want the money to be a limitation. 00:39:42.700 --> 00:39:49.020 And if they're a reference from you, then they kind of have an open, open invite to be sported my way. 00:39:49.860 --> 00:39:54.220 And we'll help whoever we can for sure with whatever resources we can. 00:39:54.220 --> 00:39:54.660 I love it. 00:39:55.260 --> 00:39:56.980 So we're going to we'll make some changes. 00:39:57.140 --> 00:39:58.160 I appreciate that. 00:39:58.240 --> 00:40:06.540 If you're watching this video on demand, you'll see a link in the in the description field to take the true center assessment. 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:11.340 So go ahead and click on that and we'll we'll get you connected into that. 00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:13.800 And Dr. Tim, I appreciate El Michelle. 00:40:14.120 --> 00:40:15.380 I'm going to take the assessment. 00:40:16.220 --> 00:40:18.080 This is neat. 00:40:18.500 --> 00:40:23.040 And so she is is one of our team here. 00:40:23.240 --> 00:40:26.560 Actually, she's one of these that could pull off the metaverse version. 00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:33.200 She does a lot of trauma therapy, trauma healing in in in virtual reality in that space. 00:40:33.620 --> 00:40:34.740 Well, I'll tell you this. 00:40:34.980 --> 00:40:45.980 This isn't virtual, but just to touch on the trauma therapy that I just sold a license for true center. 00:40:45.980 --> 00:40:53.880 We offer like an unlimited license for ministries as well, which is a which is a great thing for certain ministries that want to do hundreds of these every year. 00:40:54.120 --> 00:40:55.020 It makes sense. 00:40:55.020 --> 00:40:55.040 It makes sense. 00:40:55.040 --> 00:40:57.120 And you're not buying them $20 at a time. 00:40:57.120 --> 00:40:57.460 Right. 00:40:57.460 --> 00:41:03.920 So we say, look, you know, once you've bought 250 assessments like in the life of your ministry, that's $5,000. 00:41:04.340 --> 00:41:09.840 And so that's where I went to my team and said, look, we have a ministry that just wants unlimited assessments. 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.860 Can I just sell them a one time license for $5,000? 00:41:12.860 --> 00:41:14.760 And they said, sure, go ahead. 00:41:15.200 --> 00:41:20.900 So that basically what we did, we gifted the church digital, a $5,000 license, basically. 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:26.320 That was our gift from the not me from someone more generous than me. 00:41:26.420 --> 00:41:27.620 I got the okay to give. 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:30.900 And so that's the grant you're using. 00:41:31.240 --> 00:41:34.320 But for most ministries, you know, they're going to spend $5,000. 00:41:34.640 --> 00:41:40.360 Now, for most ministries I'm talking with who use assessments, they're like, wait, this is a one time fee. 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:41.000 I'm like, yes. 00:41:41.620 --> 00:41:47.440 My team approved it as a one time fee because, you know, we haven't hit a million assessments yet, right? 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:56.600 So on the path to get to a million, we see partnering with grants and also by keeping the price low for some ministries where $5,000 is something doable. 00:41:57.300 --> 00:42:00.180 And so I just did this for a prison ministry, actually. 00:42:00.180 --> 00:42:00.480 Oh, wow. 00:42:00.540 --> 00:42:10.380 So I wanted to mention a prison ministry and why this is beautiful, because in the midst of their wonderful trauma therapy that they're doing and helping people see, you know, 00:42:10.580 --> 00:42:20.800 their wounds and healing for the wounds and the spiritual darkness that's related to that, the executive director saw this is a powerful tool that he experienced for himself. 00:42:20.940 --> 00:42:25.860 But can you imagine people who only can think about bad stories in their life, Jeff? 00:42:25.860 --> 00:42:29.960 You know what that does to the brain to only focus on bad stories? 00:42:30.500 --> 00:42:39.860 It's just constant re-traumatizing, constantly stuck in the story of brokenness, which is a valid story that needs to be addressed. 00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:55.520 So True Center is trying to, in some ways, balance it out to say, look, so many people, not just prisoners, not only criminals, but the average person, we focus a lot on the bad stories that cause us to actually repeat bad actions. 00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:57.100 You know, we stay in the rut. 00:42:57.180 --> 00:42:58.120 You get stuck in a rut. 00:42:58.680 --> 00:43:02.520 And so True Center does help you see the good stories. 00:43:02.860 --> 00:43:03.240 It doesn't. 00:43:03.700 --> 00:43:05.380 Just put a blanket over the bad stuff. 00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:07.700 We need the blood of Jesus Christ. 00:43:07.820 --> 00:43:08.820 We need the Holy Spirit. 00:43:09.020 --> 00:43:10.040 We need sanctification. 00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:11.620 All of that. 00:43:12.260 --> 00:43:20.620 But another part of the sanctification process, I believe, is also seeing how has God gifted me for good, right? 00:43:20.700 --> 00:43:21.580 To start seeing that. 00:43:21.580 --> 00:43:30.640 So we have these people in prison who are wanting to grow in Christ, and they have access now. 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:32.480 And they're going to use, like, hundreds a year. 00:43:32.600 --> 00:43:33.940 So they're like, this is a deal. 00:43:34.160 --> 00:43:34.980 We'll take it. 00:43:35.040 --> 00:43:43.220 And I'm so excited to work with them, because now we're going to see, I believe it's a men's prison, even though I think there's a women's side, too, they want to bring it to. 00:43:43.220 --> 00:43:47.460 But these men can see that God's not done with them. 00:43:47.660 --> 00:43:49.040 You can give your life to Christ. 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:53.120 God has a purpose for you wherever you are, right? 00:43:53.520 --> 00:43:54.280 Wherever you are. 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:56.660 So use those gifts wherever you are. 00:43:57.020 --> 00:44:01.340 And we hear stories of very powerful things happening in those environments. 00:44:01.820 --> 00:44:11.100 Well, I was on the board of a homeless shelter ministry for nearly a decade when I was a pastor of a small inner city church in downtown Los Angeles. 00:44:11.500 --> 00:44:14.420 And that's actually where I came across True Center first. 00:44:14.680 --> 00:44:15.800 And it struck me. 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:16.780 I said, you know what? 00:44:17.260 --> 00:44:19.960 Stories is what connects us all as human beings. 00:44:20.680 --> 00:44:27.920 So because I remember my little church there when I was in downtown L.A., I had homeless people in my church. 00:44:28.060 --> 00:44:30.560 I had former drug addicts in my church. 00:44:30.560 --> 00:44:34.700 I had former gangbangers in my church. 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.840 And I had elderly blue collar. 00:44:38.040 --> 00:44:39.420 I had white collar. 00:44:40.420 --> 00:44:43.540 I had gentrified people, right? 00:44:43.640 --> 00:44:45.840 I mean, we had it all in that one church. 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:50.780 And I remember looking up one time and we had people would come forward for communion. 00:44:51.020 --> 00:44:52.060 That's how we did the Lord's Supper. 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.680 And Paul came forward and Brian came forward. 00:44:55.680 --> 00:45:00.480 Well, Paul is a former gangbanger who spent 20 years in prison but came to know Christ. 00:45:00.900 --> 00:45:04.780 And Brian is one of the top neurosurgeons in Los Angeles. 00:45:05.220 --> 00:45:06.700 And they're both taking communion. 00:45:08.060 --> 00:45:11.860 And they're dipping their bread in the same cup. 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:20.060 And just thinking like, isn't it amazing how God's stories are being made known? 00:45:20.140 --> 00:45:23.460 His good stories are being poured through a Paul and a Brian. 00:45:24.260 --> 00:45:28.620 And it's made me just think about everyone has a story to share. 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.880 God has placed good stories within people. 00:45:32.100 --> 00:45:39.400 Even with the worst backgrounds, you know, with Christ, there are things that are redeemable. 00:45:39.900 --> 00:45:41.800 And people with the best backgrounds, too. 00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:43.500 They get stuck in bad stories. 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.300 You know, bad stories of vanity. 00:45:46.580 --> 00:45:50.120 Bad stories of truth, prove their value through effort. 00:45:51.660 --> 00:45:54.960 Let's look at the good stories and how God has naturally wired you. 00:45:55.500 --> 00:45:57.800 And, yes, let's deal with the bad stories, too, right? 00:45:57.840 --> 00:45:58.920 The trauma, the wounds. 00:45:59.500 --> 00:46:07.680 And True Center, I would say because we frame it positively, I think it sets up a great context to talk about the bad stories, too. 00:46:07.900 --> 00:46:11.960 I just did that on a coaching call with a senior leader from another ministry. 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.300 And we were talking about his stories, his top 10. 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:16.100 It was really great. 00:46:16.180 --> 00:46:21.240 We had this Exercises and Next Steps PDF, which is free, by the way. 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:23.440 I'll remind you if you can't find that. 00:46:23.700 --> 00:46:24.900 But we're talking through that. 00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:29.800 But as we were talking about it, it led to a bad story in his life. 00:46:29.900 --> 00:46:30.760 I said, oh, share more. 00:46:31.420 --> 00:46:31.880 Let me share. 00:46:32.080 --> 00:46:40.140 And that became an important part of our conversation to say, how is that one bad story undermining your other good stories that God wants for you? 00:46:40.780 --> 00:46:45.060 We had a great life-giving conversation. 00:46:45.200 --> 00:46:46.360 I'd even say soul care. 00:46:46.500 --> 00:46:51.260 It was soul care happening for this leader who I'm getting to know. 00:46:51.520 --> 00:46:52.820 And he's a leader of leaders. 00:46:52.820 --> 00:47:03.940 I'm just thinking the impact of him feeling some Holy Spirit prompt in releasing that wound and inviting the spirit into that wound. 00:47:04.340 --> 00:47:08.560 That was, I think, going to have a ripple effect for the other men he's coaching. 00:47:10.140 --> 00:47:13.000 So I get excited about the pool. 00:47:13.200 --> 00:47:17.240 It's this open doorway for the Holy Spirit to do whatever he wants to do. 00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:26.360 You know, you keep mentioning soul care, but it's like when you better understand yourself and how God wired you, 00:47:27.040 --> 00:47:31.880 like that understanding, that clarity provides a care opportunity. 00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:40.320 You know, it's like I'm actually thinking of, you know, many times in my own life when I was not in a healthy environment. 00:47:40.580 --> 00:47:47.540 It's because I was not in a place that God wired me to be in. 00:47:47.780 --> 00:47:57.980 And there was a lot of, like, friction and animosity because I kept pushing beyond because the role was more than what I was, how I was wired. 00:47:58.540 --> 00:48:01.240 And the friction among that. 00:48:01.420 --> 00:48:06.860 And so a better understanding yourself, I could see being, I mean, I'm not saying this is a soul care product. 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:12.840 I don't think you're saying it's a soul care product, but there is a lot of soul care in yourself when you understand yourself. 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.460 And taking this assessment definitely is a step in that direction. 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:17.800 Sure. 00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.240 Well, it's such an effective tool that it can be. 00:48:21.660 --> 00:48:23.300 I'll call it a soul care product. 00:48:23.460 --> 00:48:24.520 It's such an effective tool. 00:48:24.820 --> 00:48:26.400 It is a discipleship product. 00:48:26.860 --> 00:48:29.420 It's an evangelism product, whatever you want to call it. 00:48:29.580 --> 00:48:31.080 It's a counseling product. 00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:35.080 It's a marriage, you know, support product. 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:40.200 So it's a vocational career assessment tool as well. 00:48:40.340 --> 00:48:44.200 So that's why we're using it at Urbana for the 10,000 students. 00:48:44.200 --> 00:48:49.700 It'll be about discerning God's calling, which definitely has a career kind of touch to it. 00:48:49.700 --> 00:48:53.300 But it's even more of a general ministry sense of all. 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.540 How's God wanting to use my gifts? 00:48:56.620 --> 00:48:57.520 What are my gifts? 00:48:57.880 --> 00:48:59.280 How has God crafted me? 00:48:59.900 --> 00:49:04.480 How do my stories help me understand my why really is what it's about? 00:49:04.560 --> 00:49:08.440 And of course, you know, I use it in coaching and you use it in coaching as well. 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:14.940 And coaching always relates to every aspect of life, whether it's your career, it's your finances, your relationships. 00:49:16.060 --> 00:49:18.160 It touches on soul care, you know, for sure. 00:49:18.260 --> 00:49:22.000 How are you attending to what the spirit is prompting in you? 00:49:22.380 --> 00:49:26.400 And I think when you know how you're wired better, you see your blind spots better. 00:49:26.520 --> 00:49:31.200 When you know how you're naturally gifted, it does help you be aware of blind spots. 00:49:31.200 --> 00:49:33.940 But it also helps you shine a light on this is me at my best. 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:35.580 How come I'm not living into my best? 00:49:36.240 --> 00:49:40.320 And you'll realize there's some misalignment probably in your life, right? 00:49:40.380 --> 00:49:45.320 If you don't see your top 10 being used in your current ministry, that's a misalignment. 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:51.000 That's why it's so important, I think, for people to take TrueCenter as a powerful tool, 00:49:51.060 --> 00:49:55.340 at least to be alongside other great tools that you or other listeners, you know, might use. 00:49:56.120 --> 00:50:01.000 But if you're not using your top 10 in some regular way in the ministries you're a part of, 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:02.780 there's going to be a misalignment. 00:50:03.980 --> 00:50:05.780 You'll generally be kind of sad. 00:50:05.940 --> 00:50:06.840 You might be depressed. 00:50:07.220 --> 00:50:08.200 You might be angry. 00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:11.700 You're really like, why can't I get along with that team? 00:50:11.780 --> 00:50:16.460 It's like, well, do you get to use any of your top 10? 00:50:16.560 --> 00:50:17.820 And often they're not. 00:50:18.140 --> 00:50:23.620 And in fact, often they're actually using their bottom five all the time in that ministry opportunity. 00:50:24.460 --> 00:50:29.060 And it's not an excuse to never work outside of our top 10. 00:50:29.140 --> 00:50:31.300 It just explains why I'm so mad all the time. 00:50:31.820 --> 00:50:33.440 It explains like, why am I angry? 00:50:34.080 --> 00:50:34.940 Or am I frustrated? 00:50:34.940 --> 00:50:42.980 It's like, well, it looks like you're leaning into your bottom five, which actually you might be doing really well, you know, 00:50:42.980 --> 00:50:49.100 but it maybe is not filling up your cup as you're working in that ministry, whether you're paid or unpaid. 00:50:49.500 --> 00:50:58.800 So the top 10 tends to be things that you love doing, you tend to be naturally good at, that you wouldn't even have to be paid for to want to do. 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:04.640 Now, you might be paid for it, but you still love doing it even if you weren't paid for it, you know, type of a thing. 00:51:04.720 --> 00:51:06.200 And that's where the explore stuff. 00:51:06.560 --> 00:51:06.700 Yeah. 00:51:06.820 --> 00:51:09.960 You explore all the time, probably. 00:51:10.600 --> 00:51:13.420 Because you're just naturally drawn to, you're curious. 00:51:14.060 --> 00:51:14.940 How does this work? 00:51:15.140 --> 00:51:16.040 How do I make this work? 00:51:16.140 --> 00:51:22.060 And you look at the combination of your top five, Jeff, and this is what you do as you coach, right? 00:51:22.100 --> 00:51:32.160 You take a look at it and you start seeing like, you're not just an explorer, but you're gifted at overcoming and identifying potential and you want to impact and meeting challenges. 00:51:32.160 --> 00:51:40.640 And so for you, you love to explore ways to overcome obstacles and you're like, generally very gifted at that. 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:56.140 And the thing that we resonated on our coaching time was more likely, hey, is there any time that you might be slightly less Christ-centered in your exploring and slightly less Christ-centered in your overcoming and you're just looking for problems? 00:51:56.720 --> 00:51:56.820 Yeah. 00:51:56.820 --> 00:52:08.640 And that's the thing we remember we discussed, like, yeah, there can be some times where we get stuck in a rut of kind of not using that giftedness in that spirit-led way. 00:52:09.160 --> 00:52:13.680 And kind of in the flesh, then it's like, well, I'm just looking for a problem where I can impact. 00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:16.380 And it's like, well, were you invited into that? 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.320 Like, did someone help with this? 00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:20.220 I am guilty of that. 00:52:20.220 --> 00:52:22.740 You're like, well, no, I just love to explore. 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:23.700 You love to impact. 00:52:24.040 --> 00:52:25.080 You love problems. 00:52:25.080 --> 00:52:26.760 And some might say, Jeff, time out. 00:52:27.260 --> 00:52:27.620 Time out. 00:52:27.700 --> 00:52:29.580 We don't need your advice in our marriage, Jeff. 00:52:30.020 --> 00:52:30.540 We don't. 00:52:31.180 --> 00:52:31.900 Time out, right? 00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:36.300 I mean, and that's you go, okay, was the Lord leading me to do that? 00:52:36.380 --> 00:52:38.080 Is that more my flesh or more the spirit? 00:52:38.140 --> 00:52:40.880 You're still gifted in those areas, but it's learning to listen. 00:52:42.020 --> 00:52:43.680 Okay, God, you wired me for this. 00:52:43.720 --> 00:52:50.560 But sometimes, even if you're wired for that gift and you have an opportunity to use it, sometimes you're supposed to just listen. 00:52:50.560 --> 00:52:52.780 You know, just be quiet, right? 00:52:53.080 --> 00:52:57.840 And wait to be invited in, you know, is often something we need to do, too. 00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.580 So that's the fun thing about coaching with the tool. 00:53:00.660 --> 00:53:02.780 It has a lot of flexibility. 00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.940 We provide all the tools of, like, how to give a basic feedback. 00:53:08.020 --> 00:53:10.100 You know, it's all step one, two, three. 00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:16.880 At the same time, as you do it more, Jeff, you see, like, the spirit just stirs up fun conversations, though, as we're talking. 00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:18.960 Because we're talking about stories. 00:53:19.560 --> 00:53:27.240 So I rarely found that my coaching calls follow all the steps exactly like I train dozens of people to do. 00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:30.300 And I say, look, in the end, you're a believer. 00:53:30.560 --> 00:53:31.240 You know Jesus. 00:53:31.380 --> 00:53:32.240 The spirit's in you. 00:53:32.540 --> 00:53:33.240 Follow the spirit. 00:53:34.100 --> 00:53:38.160 If the spirit's guiding you to ask a fourth story, go for it. 00:53:38.620 --> 00:53:40.220 You know, the Lord might be in that. 00:53:40.220 --> 00:53:47.260 So look at those top ten for anyone who takes it and asks for the ministries you're involved in. 00:53:47.420 --> 00:53:52.100 Where do I get to use these gifts in this current ministry? 00:53:52.620 --> 00:53:56.760 And that might explain why I'm so happy and joyful and energized. 00:53:57.140 --> 00:54:03.200 Or it might explain why I'm, like, kind of bummed out and de-energized or stressed out. 00:54:03.200 --> 00:54:07.860 Because I'm not getting to lean into those top motivations. 00:54:07.860 --> 00:54:10.680 That's a drain, you know, for me right now. 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:14.480 So hopefully that will add to people's discernment about what's next for me. 00:54:14.600 --> 00:54:15.540 God, where are you calling me? 00:54:15.580 --> 00:54:16.980 You're calling me to rest. 00:54:17.040 --> 00:54:20.920 Are you calling me to grow, go deeper into this call, whatever it be. 00:54:21.020 --> 00:54:25.080 But that self-awareness, big part of the power of True Center for sure. 00:54:25.700 --> 00:54:25.820 Yeah. 00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:26.880 Thank you for that. 00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:28.480 Self-awareness. 00:54:28.580 --> 00:54:28.700 Yeah. 00:54:28.900 --> 00:54:30.300 Elmichelle's brain's blown. 00:54:31.340 --> 00:54:33.440 Mine's pretty exhausted at the idea. 00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:36.800 But even self-awareness is so vital for this. 00:54:37.300 --> 00:54:39.140 Dr. Tim, thank you for jumping on. 00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:41.960 Here's what we're going to do. 00:54:42.520 --> 00:54:44.920 And I'll have this set up in a matter of minutes. 00:54:45.080 --> 00:54:53.080 The link will be at truecenter, T-R-U-C-E-N-T-E-R, truecenter.thechurch.digital. 00:54:53.500 --> 00:54:55.700 Live, if you're watching in the moment, it's not going to work. 00:54:55.860 --> 00:54:59.280 But in 30 minutes from now, 10 minutes from now, it'll be everywhere. 00:54:59.540 --> 00:55:01.120 Truecenter.thechurch.digital. 00:55:03.120 --> 00:55:07.180 Elmichelle, anybody else that's watching, Steve, I think you already took it. 00:55:07.460 --> 00:55:08.780 Mr. Pete, you can take it. 00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:11.740 Anybody that's watching live or demand, I invite you to. 00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:16.720 We'll give it away for free in the community just even to stir the pot a little bit here with the stream. 00:55:17.180 --> 00:55:18.900 Truecenter.thechurch.digital. 00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:20.460 Take the assessment. 00:55:20.900 --> 00:55:23.080 Now, to follow up, reach out to me. 00:55:23.540 --> 00:55:26.540 I'm happy to have a conversation to dig into some coaching with you. 00:55:27.040 --> 00:55:30.580 I know Stacey will as well and some of the Outpost leaders. 00:55:32.020 --> 00:55:33.060 We were training. 00:55:33.160 --> 00:55:35.000 I'm not sure actually how far we got along that. 00:55:35.160 --> 00:55:38.800 But happy to get some coaching with you. 00:55:39.140 --> 00:55:41.700 I know just real briefly, Dr. Tim, I want to let you go. 00:55:42.700 --> 00:55:47.740 There are opportunities even to get trained for missionary fundraising. 00:55:48.040 --> 00:55:49.580 Do you maybe even want to speak to that a little bit? 00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:50.680 Absolutely. 00:55:51.000 --> 00:56:01.800 So for right now, at least through if you're watching this, at least the plan through the end of 2025, we're keeping our certification price very low, which is $299. 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:09.260 Of course, you know, we're doing that for you and a couple other team members as part of the grant. 00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:12.420 That was part of the grant we give to you, but it's $299 for anyone else. 00:56:13.120 --> 00:56:17.760 Of course, referrals from you are always helpful because there is a bit of a vetting process. 00:56:18.260 --> 00:56:26.660 Right now, we're only training those who are believers and those who have, you know, some kind of ministry that they'll be using it in. 00:56:27.060 --> 00:56:33.660 We'll broaden that eventually, but right now as we're taking in our first several dozen coaches, they're all, you know, leaders like you, Jeff. 00:56:33.820 --> 00:56:36.640 And so we'd love to connect with other leaders for that. 00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:41.380 And then we could work out assessments and we do have some bulk pricing as well. 00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:44.520 We have that license, of course, for those where that makes sense. 00:56:44.520 --> 00:56:51.620 But it's also, we can get assessments to people pretty inexpensively as well for their own ministry outside of the Church Digital. 00:56:52.260 --> 00:56:53.460 And the training is painless. 00:56:53.460 --> 00:56:56.400 You have to watch videos of me, so that might be kind of painful. 00:56:57.060 --> 00:57:01.840 But you can complete it with the videos and the reading in just a day. 00:57:02.080 --> 00:57:04.840 So it's a very doable process. 00:57:05.460 --> 00:57:12.940 And then we just require, for those who have ministry experience, we're just asking for 10 coaching hours to complete their certification. 00:57:13.620 --> 00:57:17.680 So you'll get a one-hour call with me at the front end, a one-hour call with me on the back end. 00:57:17.720 --> 00:57:18.440 Right now, it's me. 00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:20.080 You'll watch videos in between. 00:57:20.080 --> 00:57:22.640 You'll coach yourself in between. 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:24.380 And some people, they do it in 30 days. 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:25.900 Some people do it in six months. 00:57:26.580 --> 00:57:30.380 But you get those 10 coaching hours, watch the videos, use the tool. 00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:35.140 And we just have a great time with all these wonderful certified facilitators. 00:57:35.700 --> 00:57:44.140 Really, you know, doing a lot of soul care, to be honest, is a lot of the usage of it, along with a lot of discipleship classes are using it as well. 00:57:44.540 --> 00:57:44.860 Interesting. 00:57:45.520 --> 00:57:48.120 And so, I mean, this may even be an opportunity for some of you. 00:57:48.260 --> 00:57:54.780 I know bivocational is the trend we see here through the Church Digital with digital missionaries and digital church planters. 00:57:54.780 --> 00:58:04.220 And to run a service like this, to be certified, to charge for that, is on the table and something the organization is open to. 00:58:05.300 --> 00:58:07.920 And we at the Church Digital would love to help, whatever that looks like. 00:58:08.080 --> 00:58:13.840 And so, Dr. Tim, if somebody is interested in that, should I get them connected to you? 00:58:14.020 --> 00:58:15.680 Like, what's a good step for somebody? 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:18.900 Yeah, just feel free to give out my info. 00:58:19.260 --> 00:58:21.900 I can say in my email right now if you want me to. 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:23.460 I don't know if you want me to do that or not. 00:58:23.460 --> 00:58:24.840 You know what? Reach out to me. 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:26.580 Reach out to me through the community. 00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:28.300 Spam bots are everywhere. 00:58:28.460 --> 00:58:30.360 I don't want to, like, get your stuff blown up. 00:58:30.860 --> 00:58:34.360 But feel free to reach out through WhatsApp and Discord. 00:58:35.040 --> 00:58:37.780 And we will happily get you connected. 00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:41.120 Well, hey, Dr. Tim, this has been beautiful. 00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:43.520 Thank you for coming on. 00:58:43.600 --> 00:58:45.620 Thank you for supporting the Digital Missionary Conference. 00:58:45.620 --> 00:58:54.840 Thank you for what True Center is and the impact and affirming it had in my life and the lives of others that have gone through it. 00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:56.340 Even Steve saying it nailed him. 00:58:56.780 --> 00:58:59.600 And Steve's, you know, older than me. 00:58:59.680 --> 00:59:00.460 I'll just say it that way. 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:05.360 But, hey, as we're wrapping up here, any closing thoughts? 00:59:06.460 --> 00:59:06.820 Yeah. 00:59:07.340 --> 00:59:08.800 Please pray for us. 00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:13.020 You know, Urbana is only one of the different partnerships we have going with True Center. 00:59:13.380 --> 00:59:17.640 But it is a big one to have 10,000 students all taking it. 00:59:17.680 --> 00:59:19.680 So, you know, the technology aspect of this. 00:59:19.680 --> 00:59:28.140 So, imagine within a four-hour span, our servers will get, you know, 10,000 people all within four hours taking the assessment. 00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:35.840 So, praying for our testing over the next months leading up to the December conference. 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:37.580 And then also the impact. 00:59:37.680 --> 00:59:39.180 I'm 10,000 students taking it. 00:59:39.560 --> 00:59:42.860 I'm training about 500 leaders in True Center as well. 00:59:42.980 --> 00:59:44.760 Every single attendee will take it. 00:59:45.200 --> 00:59:48.200 And so, and we're incorporating that into every aspect of the conference. 00:59:48.380 --> 00:59:52.020 People's top five results will be on the name badge and asking questions. 00:59:52.080 --> 00:59:53.620 What does that mean that I love to explore? 00:59:53.700 --> 00:59:56.120 What does it mean that God has wired me to make an impact? 00:59:56.120 --> 00:59:59.740 And all the 60-plus organizations being trained in True Center. 00:59:59.900 --> 01:00:02.580 So, this one event is a pretty big one. 01:00:02.900 --> 01:00:07.180 It's an in-person event that will be, I think, some kind of online portion as well. 01:00:07.340 --> 01:00:12.060 But the effect of that going globally as well, we're excited about. 01:00:12.220 --> 01:00:16.520 And we're hoping the Church Digital will be a part of that follow-up in 2026 as well. 01:00:17.080 --> 01:00:17.480 Awesome. 01:00:17.680 --> 01:00:20.000 Yeah, looking forward to what the future would hold. 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:24.520 You know, I know the True Center, like, I don't see us going anywhere. 01:00:24.520 --> 01:00:29.000 Like, I just have loved, maybe we're not even taking full advantage of everything that we should. 01:00:29.120 --> 01:00:31.680 Like, that's more of my conversation. 01:00:31.820 --> 01:00:33.340 How do we lean deeper into this? 01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:35.800 And so, looking forward to that. 01:00:36.740 --> 01:00:39.760 And so, check out truecenter.thechurch.digital. 01:00:39.860 --> 01:00:43.420 T-R-U-Center.thechurch.digital. 01:00:43.500 --> 01:00:46.640 The assessment will be there any minute now. 01:00:46.860 --> 01:00:48.300 And we'll be good to go. 01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:53.140 And so, Dr. Tim, once again, thank you for the time here at the stream. 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:58.560 Thank you for the support and everything that you've given to the Church Digital and the missionaries that we're serving. 01:00:59.260 --> 01:01:02.100 And so, we're going to see you at the conference coming up here. 01:01:02.420 --> 01:01:07.960 He's doing breakout again at the Digital Neighborhoods Conference on September 17th. 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:14.080 So, hang out with him, meet him, dig in at the breakout there coming soon. 01:01:14.200 --> 01:01:18.160 But for now, for Dr. Tim, this is Jeff with the Church Digital. 01:01:18.300 --> 01:01:20.560 Thanks for hanging out with us here on the stream. 01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:22.520 And we'll see you next time on the show. 01:01:23.020 --> 01:01:23.540 Y'all have a good one.