WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.060 All right. Hey, we got episode 352352 of the Church Digital Podcast. Jeff here. I'm excited 00:00:10.060 --> 00:00:16.100 about today's guest. To be honest, I probably waited 351 episodes, too many to bring her on. 00:00:16.220 --> 00:00:23.820 And so we'll get on with her here in a little bit. But before we get to the, I don't know, 00:00:23.900 --> 00:00:28.120 I got to figure out the right adjective to use for Pastor D. But before we get to Pastor D, 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:33.140 let me dive into a couple announcements. I feel like there needs to be something. The ever 00:00:33.140 --> 00:00:40.740 personality filled, the ever, I literally like, I'm bad at wordsmithing right now. And so I'm 00:00:40.740 --> 00:00:46.140 struggling to come up with this, but Pastor D is going to be an awesome guest on the show here, 00:00:46.380 --> 00:00:50.580 right around the corner. But before we get there, hey, there's a small little thing called the Digital 00:00:50.580 --> 00:00:57.840 Missionary Conference coming up. The website has been updated with the schedules for the 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:04.960 four summits, the one, two, three, four summits we have coming up this September and October. 00:01:05.500 --> 00:01:13.300 The team over at Word Revolution, Barbara Carnero has been doing an awesome time diving in on the 00:01:13.300 --> 00:01:19.660 last minute details and getting things set. But if you're curious who's speaking and what time 00:01:19.660 --> 00:01:26.760 they're speaking, it's over on the website right now, www.missionarydigital.com. 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:34.440 September 17th, Wednesday is going to be our Digital Neighborhoods Conference dealing with a lot of the 00:01:34.440 --> 00:01:39.800 culture that's surrounding platforms and how, what evangelism and discipleship, even church planting, 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:44.840 digital church planting looks like on these platforms. September 24th is a Christ-centered 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:52.520 recovery conference. October 1st is featuring a lot of our European friends and a lot of what they're 00:01:52.520 --> 00:01:59.620 learning in context of digital missionary work today. And then October 8th is going to be solely focused 00:01:59.620 --> 00:02:08.240 on gaming, streaming, and that kind of cloud area. I started to say, I have no idea what I started to say. 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:13.120 That was weird. So anyway, all that's coming up, all four conferences, all four of them are free. 00:02:13.760 --> 00:02:22.060 More information on www.missionary.digital. Before then, coming up in two weeks, we've got 00:02:22.060 --> 00:02:29.100 our, our town hall. We do these probably once a quarter. And I got to tell you, I'm really excited 00:02:29.100 --> 00:02:34.160 about some of the things that are rolling out here with, with town hall. Like, like you think that the 00:02:34.160 --> 00:02:38.400 missionary conference is big. Some of the things that we're going to be announcing at town hall 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:43.940 will have just as big of an impact, I believe, on many of you out there. And by the way, 00:02:44.260 --> 00:02:47.580 you come to the town hall, you hear the announcement, you go home with a gift. 00:02:47.880 --> 00:02:54.400 That is my promise to you. You come to the town hall, you go home with a gift. What are you talking 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.820 about? I don't know. We'll figure it out between now and then. No, but seriously, we're going to be 00:02:57.820 --> 00:03:02.160 rolling out something big that's going to, that could have an impact on all of you. And we, 00:03:02.160 --> 00:03:09.620 the church digital will be giving you a gift at the town hall and beyond. So check out the town hall 00:03:09.620 --> 00:03:15.220 meeting. It'll be two weeks from today. What is today? The 12th. So that'll make it to 26th, 00:03:15.220 --> 00:03:22.700 if I'm good at math. And so Tuesday, the 26th, 1 p.m. Eastern. More information coming in the days to 00:03:22.700 --> 00:03:31.040 come here at the church digital. Well, in this season, we've been talking about empowering tools 00:03:31.040 --> 00:03:41.220 and equipping partners. And in many ways, Pastor D really exudes both of those as someone who is not 00:03:41.220 --> 00:03:48.340 only a practitioner in doing ministry, but also out there coaching and resourcing and helping as many 00:03:48.340 --> 00:03:55.780 people as possible understand how to be effective in ministry today. I got to tell you, I'm excited to 00:03:55.780 --> 00:04:04.060 bring Pastor D for the first time ever, episode 352, on the stream. And so Pastor D, thanks for coming on. 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:12.920 I'm so, I'm equally as thrilled to be here after all of these years. Thank you for having me. 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:19.580 Not everybody can say this in context of years like you can, because Pastor D, your church that you 00:04:19.580 --> 00:04:26.460 planted, House of His Glory, digital only church or a mixed hybrid, but mostly digital, is coming up on 00:04:26.460 --> 00:04:33.740 what it's 12-year anniversary is. Yeah. The whole congregation, the whole church is coming up on 00:04:33.740 --> 00:04:41.420 12-year anniversary, the first weekend in September. But I started out a traditional church. We were doing 00:04:41.420 --> 00:04:51.760 pop-up church for about a year and a half into it before circumstances had me desperately go all digital 00:04:51.760 --> 00:05:00.940 if I wanted to hang on to my new members. And so, yeah, it's been probably 10 and a half years now that 00:05:00.940 --> 00:05:07.100 we've been absolutely completely all digital. So, Pastor D was one of the first people I connected 00:05:07.100 --> 00:05:14.140 with when I was at Stadia. I maybe want to call that 2020. No, even before that. Was before that? Okay. 00:05:14.540 --> 00:05:23.120 Yeah. It feels like you had pretty much just started. That would have been 2018, the church digital. Yeah. 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:29.880 The podcasts were like in there, single or just new brand new little digits. 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.960 And for the life of me, it was funny. Like, as I was talking to Pastor D off air, it's like, hey, so 00:05:34.960 --> 00:05:41.180 this is the first time you've done this, right? Like, she has been a guest, like, by guest. 00:05:41.400 --> 00:05:47.600 She's been, like, in the chat room talking up storms with people. I can think of several shows 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:52.640 that I was like, you should have just come on the amount that you're engaging from the chat room. 00:05:52.640 --> 00:05:59.320 And so it's a pleasure to have her on today. By the way, speaking of the chat room, we've got some 00:05:59.320 --> 00:06:08.580 friends here. Mr. Pete is, of course, watching and VR doing some things and big screen as well. 00:06:08.660 --> 00:06:13.920 Mr. Pete, always glad to see you and even Billy Bob, too. It's good to see Billy Bob as well. 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:21.360 Ian Kirk is welcoming by saying, howdy, all. Steve Reed, my brother from another mother. 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:27.940 Nice to see you here, Pastor D. Dave. Dave, it's good to see you, my friend. I haven't seen Dave in a while. 00:06:27.940 --> 00:06:35.560 Dave is saying, saying hey as well. And so Mr. Pete, Mr. Pete's getting a little jealous. 00:06:35.660 --> 00:06:42.020 I think we're talking about somebody else. Mr. Pete's saying I've been here in VR for seven years. 00:06:42.020 --> 00:06:49.340 And so, yeah, Mr. Pete is quite the personality. And so, love that. 00:06:49.500 --> 00:06:57.680 I did, I think somebody created a meme of me and the puppet Billy Bob, where Mr. Pete brought 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:04.980 this puppet out for Billy Bob. And I was not ready to be doing a stream talking to a puppet. 00:07:05.340 --> 00:07:11.940 Like, not knocking the puppet. But no one had prepared me that by doing a stream, when I woke 00:07:11.940 --> 00:07:18.260 up that morning, I'd be talking to a puppet. And I just, I wasn't ready for it. So, very cool. Mr. Pete, 00:07:18.300 --> 00:07:25.180 it is always a pleasure. Oh, and Yatope, log in, in from Nigeria. Excited about that. 00:07:25.380 --> 00:07:25.780 Wonderful. 00:07:25.780 --> 00:07:31.420 He's got some really big things with equipping digital missionaries happening in Nigeria. 00:07:31.780 --> 00:07:36.040 Well, in surrounding areas there in Sub-Saharan Africa. And so, we're excited. 00:07:36.200 --> 00:07:41.340 We're praying for some of the work that Yatope's doing over there. But let's get back. By the way, 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:45.780 if you've got questions as we're going into this chat, feel free to throw them in chat. We'll engage 00:07:45.780 --> 00:07:53.300 and ask here with Pastor D. But let's get into it. So, Pastor D, you know, let's open up since 00:07:53.300 --> 00:07:58.900 this is your first time here on the stream. Tell us a little bit about yourself. What's your story? 00:07:58.900 --> 00:08:03.620 How'd you end up launching a church like House of His Glory? 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:16.740 Yeah. You know, I was on staff at a non-denominational ministry. It was an international ministry. There 00:08:16.740 --> 00:08:26.620 was, I guess, seven churches. Some in Kenya, Philippines, and several in the Pasadena area. 00:08:27.660 --> 00:08:33.620 Minister on staff. And I was teaching at their Bible college. I've been there for six, 00:08:33.620 --> 00:08:41.920 seven, eight years, and really thought that was it until God did me like Abraham and was like, 00:08:42.260 --> 00:08:52.700 go. I'm calling you to pastor. And literally, like, when I got my master's, he told me to go. 00:08:53.360 --> 00:09:01.920 And I left. And that pastor said goodbye. And I was like, without a church home, without a license to do 00:09:01.920 --> 00:09:09.760 ministry, the ministry, and feeling like I had no identity, and God used that season to just strip 00:09:09.760 --> 00:09:18.920 off, honestly, the layers. I call them the layers of traditionalism. Layers of what was commonly 00:09:18.920 --> 00:09:29.820 expected for you to do as a pastor. And led me to a wonderful bishop who just gave me the freedom to 00:09:29.820 --> 00:09:39.240 discover who I am and to put whatever ministry God led me to together. And so as we began, like I said, 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:48.380 we started out pop-up church, doing it standard. When that very same bishop told me that he and his wife 00:09:48.380 --> 00:09:57.360 and their four-year-old son were now expecting triplets. And he wanted me to come to Sacramento, 00:09:57.520 --> 00:10:06.420 300 miles away from where I am, to help pastor his church. It was on sabbatical. So in those six months, 00:10:06.420 --> 00:10:15.520 I was like, how do I keep my brand new congregation and minister to them and continue this thing that God has only just 00:10:15.520 --> 00:10:22.860 recently pastored me, called me to pastor. And so, yeah, that's how I just started duct taping stuff 00:10:22.860 --> 00:10:28.600 together and figuring stuff out. I mean, there was no Facebook Live. I don't know if it had even been 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:38.020 invented, but it certainly wasn't released. And, uh, the only digital technology I knew was sermons.net 00:10:38.020 --> 00:10:49.120 and, um, and I found the church app and between those two platforms, I figured it out and we made 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:58.720 the house of his glory.com our church sanctuary and started building it from there. Yeah. 00:10:59.300 --> 00:11:03.900 Wow. And so that was 2015 roughly when you got that started. 00:11:03.900 --> 00:11:13.740 Yes. It was 2013 when, um, the church launched its first service in 2015. Easter service was the first 00:11:13.740 --> 00:11:22.600 digital, um, message I called it at the time. And I think, cause I keep them numbered. I think we're 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:33.140 somewhere at 470 or 80 somewhere. Yeah. Around there. Now, now help me because you, you, when you were 00:11:33.140 --> 00:11:38.480 distanced helping, you know, your, your pastor friend who was on sabbatical and filling in for him 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:46.520 for, for, for six months. Um, and so you, you had to be digital, but you know, life eventually resets. 00:11:46.520 --> 00:11:53.360 And so you still like, how much are you physical today? How much are you digital? Like, what is 00:11:53.360 --> 00:12:00.000 that balance today for you? Right. The intention had been to do a hybrid church. You know, the statistics 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:06.600 are like, Oh, 25% of your congregation are active and are your leadership. And so I thought, okay, 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:12.800 well, let's have that 25% in-house and the leadership in-house will serve the digital 00:12:12.800 --> 00:12:22.740 congregation. So I, um, expanded to a nice little sanctuary that seats about five, excuse me, 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:31.420 five. It seats about 35 people. It's got a worship section and a separate office. And I had the 00:12:31.420 --> 00:12:40.280 intention. If you build it, they will come. Right. So I got it all situated and built out and February, 00:12:40.280 --> 00:12:50.420 the end of February, I opened the sanctuary, the new sanctuary to, um, movie night. And the intention 00:12:50.420 --> 00:13:01.360 was to start services that, um, that following March, that Easter with full services. And that was 2020 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:15.200 and COVID hit us in March before Easter. And so we never fully opened up the sanctuary. My people are so 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:24.200 spoiled. They come when I feed them for Easter brunch. And so I am still working out of this beautifully set 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:34.540 up sanctuary. And so it is still fully, completely digital. Yeah. It is not segwayed into that dream 00:13:34.540 --> 00:13:42.340 of a, of a beautiful hybrid congregation. They're happy in the setup it is. Well, and as somebody who's kind 00:13:42.340 --> 00:13:48.220 of felt the balance of wanting to be physical, but not able to like now, now that you've been doing 00:13:48.220 --> 00:13:53.960 this, you know, one, two, 12 years, are you, are you starting to see like the, what, what is the thing 00:13:53.960 --> 00:14:00.460 that you can do as with a digital congregation that you can't do, do physically? Like what, what are, 00:14:00.820 --> 00:14:05.400 as you're assessing this, what are the strengths and weaknesses, maybe the pros and cons, uh, between 00:14:05.400 --> 00:14:15.520 both methods. Right. Right. You know, I think definitely digitally is more intimate for sure. 00:14:15.520 --> 00:14:25.240 But what I really find is that you're not distracted by the culture of the congregation. 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:36.840 You're not distracted by, I need, you know, um, daycare for my kids. And that's your primary 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:44.400 guiding force. Youth group is what determines what church you're going to go to where you dig 00:14:44.400 --> 00:14:48.920 in and you're getting the word. And not only are you getting the word, but you're, you're learning 00:14:48.920 --> 00:14:55.120 how to apply the word and live the word in the structure of my congregation. And what I teach, 00:14:55.940 --> 00:15:04.280 I call it a fueling station. We come into those digital services to learn how to be and how to do 00:15:04.280 --> 00:15:12.640 what God has called us to do so that the rest of the week, we are living off of that fuel and being 00:15:12.640 --> 00:15:18.360 who God has created us to be living off of that word without the distraction of church culture. 00:15:18.920 --> 00:15:27.580 Yeah. Yeah. But then on the flip side, you can't drive up and, you know, oh, I want to go to that 00:15:27.580 --> 00:15:33.260 church. And you, you know, on the flip side, the very things of that church culture that draw people 00:15:33.260 --> 00:15:41.380 in is what we're missing as well. Yeah. I got to tell you, I was not expecting intimate to be the 00:15:41.380 --> 00:15:49.540 answer. Digital is more intimate than physical. I don't, I don't often hear that I see it. But, 00:15:49.540 --> 00:15:55.760 you know, as, as men, as a person who's had many conversations with physical oriented pastors and 00:15:55.760 --> 00:16:03.040 physical ministry people, you know, they, they don't often see that or recognize that. And so it's, 00:16:03.040 --> 00:16:11.900 it's, it's, it's intriguing to think of that intimacy level, remote long distance, but, and still being 00:16:11.900 --> 00:16:19.640 accessible. But I love the fact that you're seeing that in that your, your, your ministry is, is, is 00:16:19.640 --> 00:16:26.640 echoing that. And so, you know, you're, you're coming up on your, I guess, 12 year around there with, 00:16:26.640 --> 00:16:31.780 with the church. Yes. What, what is the next, what is the next three, five years? What does that look 00:16:31.780 --> 00:16:40.220 like for you with the church? For me and the, and the church? Yeah. This 12th year for the congregation, 00:16:40.220 --> 00:16:50.940 I'm really going to launch, um, almost like a, a, a new church plant relaunch. Um, we've done some 00:16:50.940 --> 00:16:59.340 rebranding, we've done some restructuring and, um, and I think I've got some new opportunities to really 00:16:59.340 --> 00:17:07.780 reach communities and reach those unchurched, right where their needs are, uh, to draw them into, 00:17:07.780 --> 00:17:19.780 um, more of an idea of shifting from, okay, church online, because COVID really did shift, um, even 00:17:19.780 --> 00:17:27.060 the average Christian's perspective of church online and online church. And I know you've seen that too, 00:17:27.060 --> 00:17:34.380 in your shift from focusing on the church into missionary work. And so it's going to be kind of an 00:17:34.380 --> 00:17:44.700 urban missionary, um, drive to reach people at their need to reach people who are unchurched, who are 00:17:44.700 --> 00:17:51.180 church hurt with, you're not necessarily coming into church because you are the church. 00:17:51.180 --> 00:17:59.200 They're coming into relationship. And this is a community where we explore relationship and where 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:04.940 we learn how to not only have relationship with the Lord, but how to relation, have relationship with 00:18:04.940 --> 00:18:11.460 one another and how that affects our relationship with every other way in which we deal with the world. 00:18:11.700 --> 00:18:23.860 So that's going to be the, the shift in, uh, what I do for ministry. And then that bleeds into what I do. I'm a certified, uh, professional Christian life coach. 00:18:24.220 --> 00:18:43.400 And, um, my focus for the last, oh, since 2023, 2022, since I got my PhD is to focus on third John one and two beloved, I wish above all things that you would prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers. 00:18:43.540 --> 00:19:04.820 So let's prosper our souls. You know, like it just doesn't get more basic than that. You know, that's, that's beautiful. Yeah. Let's, let's get into, uh, into a little bit of that. So what does, you know, like your, your life coach, uh, your, your doctorate was in, in, in what, again, remind me of that. 00:19:05.820 --> 00:19:14.660 Yes, I do have a doctorate in, um, my master's is in theology. My doctorate is in, uh, Christian education. 00:19:14.660 --> 00:19:27.920 Okay. Um, but the focus of my studies was, um, the psychological and creative power of quantum faith and the word of God. 00:19:28.100 --> 00:19:39.860 That's right. Quantum, quantum faith in the word of God. She, she actually mailed her dissertation to my daughter. My daughter is obsessed with all things quantum. 00:19:39.860 --> 00:19:50.900 And so I got to give her, uh, my daughter, a paper copy of, of that. That was, that was remarkable. Uh, my daughter read it and she's like, I don't think I understand this all, but this is so cool. 00:19:51.160 --> 00:20:20.700 And so it's like, she was, she was kind of thrilled by it. Um, but I know, I know, like there's some resources that, that you're working on and you yourself are out there trying to help, uh, pastors and people better understand that and do. Oh, by the way, Ian is asking, I'll go ahead and ask, is the dissertation available? And so, um, what, if somebody wanted a dissertation, a copy of the dissertation on quantum faith, how do they get that? 00:20:20.700 --> 00:20:44.380 Right. I know Mr. Pete bought it and he read it too. It's so amazing. It is available on Amazon. Um, and you can find it under my name Deidre Campbell Jones or under a quantum faith, but it's got an abbreviated title that I, I can remember the long title better than the abbreviated title. 00:20:44.380 --> 00:21:04.380 That's funny. So Ian is great at Amazon. Ian, if you could do some digging and find that, that'd be great. Maybe post that link. If you can find it here in chat, that's great. Uh, we'll include that link in, in the show notes, uh, moving forward as well. If people want access to that. I think that's, I think it's awesome. Uh, that, that it's on Amazon quantum faith. 00:21:04.380 --> 00:21:15.420 It is a hard read because it is the dissertation, even though it's an abbreviated, you know, copy, it still is the dissertation. I've got easier reads on Amazon. 00:21:18.380 --> 00:21:35.960 But let's talk a little bit because I know you're doing, you're doing some coaching and you, you launched out the, uh, the church coach app. So, so let's talk a little bit about this. What's your, what's your heart? What was the thing that you were seeing as, as the reason to, to launch this, uh, this app? 00:21:36.380 --> 00:22:05.520 Right. And really what I was seeing is not only from my coaching experience, but from my own mental wellness journey as well. Um, the hugely unfortunate thing is that one, when you go to see your pastor for pastoral counseling, more than likely they're going to throw scriptures at you. 00:22:06.380 --> 00:22:35.740 You're going to have to pray for you and pray for you and give you some sort of, I'm sorry, half baked Christian ease advice that doesn't reach your problem. It doesn't reach your need. And in my case, and in many times it has made matters worse. Um, then when you seek secular care, um, even if you go to a Christian life coach, 00:22:36.380 --> 00:22:49.380 pretty much you're getting the same secular care as you would for a non-Christian coach. It's just someone who's a Christian who shares your beliefs, who again will pray for you and maybe toss in some scripture to support, 00:22:49.380 --> 00:23:00.380 um, their secular standards of coaching. And I went through those training of being a Christian life coach and they train you in those secular standards. 00:23:00.380 --> 00:23:24.380 And encourage you to pray for your clients and to use scripture whenever appropriate. And that's the extent of it. And so when I began coaching, even years ago, before I was pastoring, I always had a sense that the word of God can do more and is meant to do more in people's lives. 00:23:24.380 --> 00:23:50.180 And so I was always coaching from that standpoint. And I realized after I went through stuff that I was like, I cried out to God and I was like, I need a coach who can coach like me. I need someone to coach me, you know, because the best surgeon in the world can't operate on themselves. Right? So God said, well, then teach people how to coach like you. 00:23:50.380 --> 00:24:17.380 So then I developed my own coaching methodology into what I call the mindedness methodology. And that is teaching people how to coach, uh, through the mind of Christ and coaching people so that they can utilize the mind of Christ that they have been given. Use the word of God, the spirit of God, and the gifts of God within you. 00:24:17.380 --> 00:24:24.380 And that is teaching people to, you know, to, to listen to like coach alongside with Holy Spirit, because he knows that person way better than we do. 00:24:24.380 --> 00:24:45.380 And more accurately than any questions we can ask. So we ask those questions and we let them answer and let God interpret that answer and fuel us with, okay, what's the response? How do we reach that? How do we reshift their thinking? And it's more teaching. 00:24:45.380 --> 00:25:04.380 And it's more teaching than the traditional listening and drawing out. We're using the word of God and the principles of God to teach them. So I teach coaches and pastors how to implement that kind of, uh, 00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:31.380 how to implement that kind of, uh, biblically based faith based, faith based, spirit based coaching. Um, so that more churches can meet the needs of their people. There's just a huge gap. The statistics show that, um, I think it was like 79% of pastors think that they are addressing the mental health needs of their congregation from behind the pulpit. 00:25:31.380 --> 00:25:46.380 While only, I think it was like nine percent who went through some sort of mental health needs felt as though their pastors had addressed their needs. Yeah. That's a huge gap. 00:25:46.380 --> 00:26:08.380 Yeah. And, and there's, there's lots of organizations that are, um, that are trying to address the mental health at, at, at, at the church level. I know Barna has done done a ton of work on that. Our friend, Laura Howe over at the church mental health summit, uh, is doing a lot of work in that space. Um, there, there are summits coming up. 00:26:08.380 --> 00:26:25.380 Oh my gosh. Right. Right. Right around the corner. Uh, sometime in September, October surrounding ours for life. And me, I can't, I can't think of, of that date right now, but they're, they're sponsoring us and we're sponsoring them. And we're, we're excited about the work that that's doing. But, but to be honest, I don't know. 00:26:25.380 --> 00:26:54.380 Like everybody's wanting to speak at it at the, at the, at the large scale. I don't know that many that are, that are actually trying to, to help individuals like, like develop some sort of, some sort of a coaching process to go individually through that. So what led you to like the, uh, the micro view, as opposed to what I'm guessing is the easier macro view. Like why, why are you diving in specific with individual pastors? 00:26:54.380 --> 00:27:23.280 Individual pastors on this? Yeah. Because, um, especially as an African American, you see people sitting in congregations that have this stigma, you know, well, I'm a Christian. I'm supposed to have it figured out. Um, that are like, well, I'll be embarrassed if I go to my pastor, you know, um, that have such need. 00:27:23.380 --> 00:27:32.560 And, and have an innate sense that, okay, I'm going to just going to come to church. I'm going to pray more. I'm going to read my scripture more. They have a sense that God can help. 00:27:33.260 --> 00:27:52.380 So, um, and having been in that congregation and felt that way and gotten my pastor and not receiving the help, you know, let me get pastors, a tool, a resource that they can implement churchwide that will break down those barriers. 00:27:52.380 --> 00:28:04.380 Um, so that the methodology is embedded into an app that I've built so that they can select, um, you know, leadership. 00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:16.380 They can select team members that will go through the training right there on the app to learn how to be, and to be certified as a mindedness coach there in the congregation. 00:28:16.380 --> 00:28:25.380 And they can either have the, their congregation go and request coaching or, and this is what breaks down the barriers. 00:28:25.380 --> 00:28:36.380 They can run, Hey, we're going to do a wellness, a mental wellness check on all of our members and just tell them you can expect to come through the program. 00:28:36.380 --> 00:28:44.380 Just going to do a mental wellness check so that they reach out to people that wouldn't necessarily reach out to them. 00:28:44.380 --> 00:28:45.380 That's the first. 00:28:45.380 --> 00:28:56.380 The second thing is to certify individual coaches who are, I mean, the life coaching industry is booming right now. 00:28:56.380 --> 00:29:14.380 And it's being supported by psychologists and psychiatrists because they're finding that if you can do life coaching early, it acts as an intervention to avoid, uh, some of the very serious problems that might happen down the line. 00:29:14.380 --> 00:29:17.380 If some of those things are not addressed. 00:29:17.380 --> 00:29:32.380 And so if we can get more coaches, Christian coaches to be effective, you know, at the ground level, then I think the possibilities are limitless. 00:29:32.380 --> 00:29:35.380 Um, especially when we serve a limitless God. 00:29:35.380 --> 00:29:36.380 It's beautiful. 00:29:36.380 --> 00:29:47.380 Do you have any, any stories or examples you'd be able to share share of maybe some, maybe some churches or some pastors that have implemented part or all of this process? 00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:50.380 Yep. 00:29:50.380 --> 00:30:05.380 My, um, my favorite is, um, I call a more traditional congregation, um, uh, a little bit older pastors, um, predominantly not predominantly. 00:30:05.380 --> 00:30:10.380 All black congregation of mostly older members. 00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:14.380 And, um, he came to me one day. 00:30:14.380 --> 00:30:22.380 I was so honored that he came to me and he was like, look, I, I don't know how to pray for my people. 00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:23.380 They're getting older. 00:30:23.380 --> 00:30:30.380 There's so many people on the, you know, the, the prayer list, um, the sick and shut in list. 00:30:30.380 --> 00:30:32.380 And he's like, I'm feeling helpless. 00:30:32.380 --> 00:30:34.380 I don't know how to help them. 00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:40.380 And he let me, um, sign him up as a prototype church. 00:30:41.380 --> 00:30:56.380 And first and foremost, he said, just the information, how much it is helped him shift in his understanding of how to reach people and how to use the word of God to, to reach people. 00:30:56.380 --> 00:31:07.380 As a small congregation, he didn't necessarily implement the full program or even, um, you know, and just had really gone through the training, uh, to look at it and help me out. 00:31:07.380 --> 00:31:08.380 But here's the testimony. 00:31:08.380 --> 00:31:19.380 I was blessed this previous Sunday to speak at their congregation. 00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:20.380 I've spoken at his congregation. 00:31:20.380 --> 00:31:25.380 I've spoken at his congregation for a year since all of this and Jeff. 00:31:25.380 --> 00:31:26.380 Oh my gosh. 00:31:26.380 --> 00:31:32.380 Just hearing him pray over the congregation and hearing like feedback from the people. 00:31:32.380 --> 00:31:36.380 I was just like, yes, yes, yes, yes. 00:31:36.380 --> 00:31:38.380 That's what I'm talking about. 00:31:38.380 --> 00:31:43.380 That's, that's, that's the change I want to see this be able to do. 00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:44.380 Yeah. 00:31:44.380 --> 00:31:45.380 They, yes. 00:31:45.380 --> 00:31:46.380 That's it. 00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:47.380 That's beautiful. 00:31:47.380 --> 00:31:52.380 Um, do you, are, are most of the churches that use this African American? 00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:58.380 Is there, uh, is it, is it wired necessarily to that culture or like what's your. 00:31:58.380 --> 00:32:06.380 No, you know, so far what it is, is the churches that I know that I've been able to reach out to. 00:32:06.380 --> 00:32:08.380 Are from that environment. 00:32:08.380 --> 00:32:11.380 Are from, yeah, from that environment. 00:32:11.380 --> 00:32:17.380 However, the individual coaches, they're all predominantly white. 00:32:17.380 --> 00:32:18.380 Okay. 00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:20.380 So. 00:32:20.380 --> 00:32:21.380 Yeah. 00:32:21.380 --> 00:32:22.380 I don't know. 00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:23.380 That's, that's intriguing. 00:32:23.380 --> 00:32:25.380 You know, if the answer was yes, that's great. 00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:26.380 If the answer is no, that's great. 00:32:26.380 --> 00:32:31.380 I mean, either way, it's, it's beautiful, but, um, it's, it's, it was, it's always intriguing 00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:37.380 to me how ideas, um, cross, um, different cultures. 00:32:37.380 --> 00:32:38.380 Different cultures. 00:32:38.380 --> 00:32:39.380 Let's just say it that way. 00:32:39.380 --> 00:32:44.380 Going, going from an African American to a, to a white to a Hispanic here in America. 00:32:44.380 --> 00:32:44.380 Yeah. 00:32:44.380 --> 00:32:45.380 And especially globally. 00:32:45.380 --> 00:32:50.380 Like, it's just fascinating to me how things, things explode at the global level. 00:32:50.380 --> 00:32:52.380 And so, yeah, this is, this is intriguing. 00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:57.380 If somebody wanted to, to like, do they have to buy the app? 00:32:57.380 --> 00:32:58.380 Is it a subscription? 00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:02.380 Like how does getting the app, how does that work? 00:33:02.380 --> 00:33:03.380 Yeah. 00:33:03.380 --> 00:33:04.380 It's both. 00:33:04.380 --> 00:33:12.380 Um, there is, um, uh, a course price to take the training. 00:33:12.380 --> 00:33:20.380 Um, and the training happens right through the app and it's built so that once you absolutely 00:33:20.380 --> 00:33:26.380 complete all the steps of the training, then it can, it can, if you choose to, you have the 00:33:26.380 --> 00:33:32.380 option to unlock the coaching, um, application of, of the app itself. 00:33:32.380 --> 00:33:40.380 And then that is a membership fee based on whether you're an individual coach or then different, 00:33:40.380 --> 00:33:44.380 uh, subscription prices based on not church size. 00:33:44.380 --> 00:33:50.380 Cause as a micro church, I can't stand it when I, how many members do you have? 00:33:50.380 --> 00:33:57.380 I just can't stand that question anymore, but it's based on how many individuals you think 00:33:57.380 --> 00:34:00.380 you might be bringing through the coaching process. 00:34:00.380 --> 00:34:01.380 Gotcha. 00:34:01.380 --> 00:34:02.380 And yeah. 00:34:02.380 --> 00:34:05.380 So that's the pricing structure, the monthly pricing structure for that. 00:34:05.380 --> 00:34:06.380 And the church app.com. 00:34:06.380 --> 00:34:07.380 Yeah. 00:34:07.380 --> 00:34:15.380 Is that, I was going to ask that as a followup question, your, your tech stack here is, is 00:34:15.380 --> 00:34:16.380 the church app. 00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:17.380 It's a subsplash. 00:34:17.380 --> 00:34:24.380 Um, Oh, I, I always do that. 00:34:24.380 --> 00:34:25.380 Thank you. 00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:26.380 That's what I thought. 00:34:26.380 --> 00:34:27.380 I thought you dropped. 00:34:27.380 --> 00:34:28.380 Yeah. 00:34:28.380 --> 00:34:29.380 So let's back up. 00:34:29.380 --> 00:34:37.380 If people want more information on your, on your website, on your app, where are they 00:34:37.380 --> 00:34:38.380 going? 00:34:38.380 --> 00:34:42.380 Church coach app.com. 00:34:42.380 --> 00:34:44.380 Church coach app.com. 00:34:44.380 --> 00:34:45.380 There you go. 00:34:45.380 --> 00:34:52.380 We'll get to the next question in a second, but for more information on the, on the, the, 00:34:52.380 --> 00:35:01.380 the app itself, uh, and again, the, the coaching process, church coach app.com more information, 00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:05.380 check that out and they can get in touch with you through, through the website as well. 00:35:05.380 --> 00:35:06.380 Okay, great. 00:35:06.380 --> 00:35:11.380 Now, which brings me to the next question I was going to ask after we got out past that, 00:35:11.380 --> 00:35:15.380 um, just because we've got a bunch of nerds and geeks that are watching this. 00:35:15.380 --> 00:35:22.380 Uh, so tech stack, what, so you, you built all this on the church app subsplash. 00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:24.380 Like is no, Oh, I'm sorry. 00:35:24.380 --> 00:35:26.380 Now I'm slamming my subsplash people. 00:35:26.380 --> 00:35:29.380 What did you use to build the app? 00:35:29.380 --> 00:35:33.380 I built that app through glide, a program called glide. 00:35:33.380 --> 00:35:34.380 Okay. 00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:41.380 And, um, I, I like it because it's, it's part wizzy wig. 00:35:41.380 --> 00:35:43.380 I don't know if that's too old school. 00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:44.380 It did. 00:35:44.380 --> 00:35:45.380 It works. 00:35:45.380 --> 00:35:46.380 Wizzy wig. 00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:47.380 Yeah. 00:35:47.380 --> 00:35:48.380 I gotcha. 00:35:48.380 --> 00:35:49.380 I mean, this beard's gray. 00:35:49.380 --> 00:35:50.380 I understand. 00:35:50.380 --> 00:35:54.380 The whippersnapper out there is probably saying what, what, and I'm telling him to get off 00:35:54.380 --> 00:35:55.380 my lawn. 00:35:55.380 --> 00:35:56.380 Yeah. 00:35:56.380 --> 00:35:57.380 Right. 00:35:57.380 --> 00:35:58.380 Yeah. 00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:02.380 So it's part, uh, user interface, part data driven. 00:36:02.380 --> 00:36:10.380 So you can switch between the screens and, you know, drop in components or build up components 00:36:10.380 --> 00:36:11.380 on the back end. 00:36:11.380 --> 00:36:19.380 So, um, it's, it's really a wonderful, wonderful platform for building out apps. 00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:24.380 Cause the more, you know, the more intricate you can get with your design. 00:36:24.380 --> 00:36:27.380 Um, and with your app capabilities. 00:36:27.380 --> 00:36:28.380 Yeah. 00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:29.380 Yeah. 00:36:29.380 --> 00:36:30.380 Interesting. 00:36:30.380 --> 00:36:34.380 You, you, you developed it entirely yourself. 00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:35.380 Yes. 00:36:35.380 --> 00:36:38.380 I, um, I developed it entirely myself. 00:36:38.380 --> 00:36:42.380 I went through a training program to use how to, to learn how to use glide. 00:36:42.380 --> 00:36:51.380 And when I found out that my imagination went beyond my actual capabilities, then I got a 00:36:51.380 --> 00:36:54.380 glide expert, uh, to help me. 00:36:54.380 --> 00:37:03.380 And she was phenomenal because I would say, Oh, you know, and I want this page to do this. 00:37:03.380 --> 00:37:06.380 And she would say, and don't you want it to also do this? 00:37:06.380 --> 00:37:08.380 I was like, as a matter of fact, I do. 00:37:08.380 --> 00:37:09.380 I didn't know I did. 00:37:09.380 --> 00:37:10.380 I didn't know. 00:37:10.380 --> 00:37:11.380 I did. 00:37:11.380 --> 00:37:12.380 But now that you said that. 00:37:12.380 --> 00:37:13.380 Yes. 00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:14.380 Yes, I do. 00:37:17.380 --> 00:37:17.380 Yes. 00:37:17.380 --> 00:37:18.380 That's beautiful. 00:37:18.380 --> 00:37:20.380 And then she's like, well, that'll be an extra $6,000. 00:37:20.380 --> 00:37:21.380 No, I'm, I'm, I'm kidding. 00:37:21.380 --> 00:37:22.380 She did it. 00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:23.380 I know. 00:37:23.380 --> 00:37:24.380 Wow. 00:37:24.380 --> 00:37:25.380 You got a good one. 00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:26.380 I did. 00:37:26.380 --> 00:37:28.380 I really did. 00:37:29.380 --> 00:37:30.380 Miss Megan. 00:37:30.380 --> 00:37:31.380 I want to, yeah. 00:37:31.380 --> 00:37:32.380 Promote her. 00:37:32.380 --> 00:37:33.380 She's amazing. 00:37:33.380 --> 00:37:34.380 So intuitive. 00:37:34.380 --> 00:37:35.380 Yes. 00:37:35.380 --> 00:37:36.380 Yeah. 00:37:36.380 --> 00:37:37.380 Very cool. 00:37:37.380 --> 00:37:40.380 So how long is the, has the app been a, been a thing? 00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:42.380 Have you, have you been working with it? 00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:44.380 Yeah. 00:37:44.380 --> 00:37:48.380 You know, technically it's been a thing for a year. 00:37:48.380 --> 00:37:58.380 I signed up, um, you know, my, um, my preliminary coaches and churches at last year, last summer, 00:37:58.380 --> 00:37:59.380 actually. 00:37:59.380 --> 00:38:00.380 Yeah. 00:38:00.380 --> 00:38:08.380 And so it's now fully good to, to launch and there's all kinds of levels. 00:38:08.380 --> 00:38:09.380 There's a do it yourself level. 00:38:09.380 --> 00:38:18.380 And then of course there's the, the ultimate level where I will come and help facilitate transition 00:38:18.380 --> 00:38:23.380 and implementation and train staff on, on site. 00:38:23.380 --> 00:38:24.380 Yeah. 00:38:24.380 --> 00:38:25.380 Yeah. 00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:28.380 So do you, I'm going to shift gears on you for a second. 00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:30.380 Hopefully it's okay. 00:38:30.380 --> 00:38:37.380 Do you, I mean, you consider yourself bivocational by doing like this as, is this your primary 00:38:37.380 --> 00:38:42.380 mode of funding the church app or, or what, what does that look like for you? 00:38:42.380 --> 00:38:44.380 No, it never had been. 00:38:44.380 --> 00:38:51.380 As I said, you know, when I was a minister on staff at this former ministry, they put me 00:38:51.380 --> 00:38:58.380 on their internal counseling team, so to speak. 00:38:58.380 --> 00:39:06.380 And it was through one of the, um, associate pastors who was bivocational that I went through, 00:39:06.380 --> 00:39:14.380 um, uh, the certification process and became a life coach so that again, I could better do 00:39:14.380 --> 00:39:18.380 the job that I was assigned to do through the ministry. 00:39:18.380 --> 00:39:19.380 And that was separate aside. 00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:25.380 Like my vocation at the time was teaching at the, um, Bible college. 00:39:25.380 --> 00:39:30.380 So to me, coaching was a part of ministry. 00:39:30.380 --> 00:39:36.380 And I became that Christian life coach just so I could do it better. 00:39:36.380 --> 00:39:42.380 And because I was not on the pastoral staff, but I couldn't like coach outside people. 00:39:42.380 --> 00:39:47.380 So I got the certification so I could coach people that were not a part of the ministry. 00:39:47.380 --> 00:39:59.380 Um, so that part was always integral, even in, you know, all the years of pastoring and coaching. 00:39:59.380 --> 00:40:02.380 If you'd said, you know, are you bivocational? 00:40:02.380 --> 00:40:04.380 No, I'm full-time ministry. 00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:06.380 I think I even said the same thing to you. 00:40:06.380 --> 00:40:10.380 And you were like, well, how does all of this fit in with the house of his glory? 00:40:10.380 --> 00:40:11.380 Yeah. 00:40:11.380 --> 00:40:17.380 And you being a pastor, I was like, uh, because it is, it just does. 00:40:17.380 --> 00:40:18.380 That's, that's beautiful. 00:40:18.380 --> 00:40:21.380 Listen, if you, if you can have your cake and eat it too, more power to you. 00:40:21.380 --> 00:40:27.380 Um, you know, oftentimes in my world, there's just, you know, I've got to, I got to do things 00:40:27.380 --> 00:40:28.380 to pay the bills. 00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:32.380 And so that's, that's a lot of the tension that, that, that I'm feeling. 00:40:32.380 --> 00:40:36.380 And I know a lot, a lot of the people around are, they're trying to figure out how to, 00:40:36.380 --> 00:40:39.380 how to do the thing that pays for the thing. 00:40:39.380 --> 00:40:41.380 And so, um, anyway. 00:40:41.380 --> 00:40:47.380 And this is the first six months, six to eight months. 00:40:47.380 --> 00:40:54.380 Cause I've kind of put my own individual coaching on hold so that I could build out the app and 00:40:54.380 --> 00:41:03.380 focus on that and focus on a series of online courses and coaching programs, um, that are intended 00:41:03.380 --> 00:41:06.380 to just, uh, um, provide me a salary. 00:41:06.380 --> 00:41:15.380 Um, but yeah, this last six to eight months, I was like, oh, uh, it's time for me to pick up some more coaching 00:41:15.380 --> 00:41:16.380 clients. 00:41:16.380 --> 00:41:18.380 Cause I need the money. 00:41:18.380 --> 00:41:19.380 Yeah. 00:41:19.380 --> 00:41:20.380 Yeah. 00:41:20.380 --> 00:41:23.380 It's time to go back to actual work. 00:41:23.380 --> 00:41:25.380 Oh, maybe I am by vocation. 00:41:25.380 --> 00:41:26.380 Yeah. 00:41:26.380 --> 00:41:29.380 I am now anyway. 00:41:29.380 --> 00:41:31.380 So something's got to generate revenue. 00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:33.380 That's, that's all, that's all I'm saying. 00:41:33.380 --> 00:41:35.380 Um, man, that's great. 00:41:35.380 --> 00:41:40.380 Are you, uh, with the coaching work that you do, is it primarily focused around the mental 00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:41.380 health component? 00:41:41.380 --> 00:41:45.380 Like what are, are there other areas to do coaching as well? 00:41:45.380 --> 00:41:47.380 Or what does coaching look like for you? 00:41:47.380 --> 00:41:48.380 Yeah. 00:41:48.380 --> 00:41:55.380 Um, I call it Christ life coaching, which is wholeness coaching. 00:41:55.380 --> 00:41:58.380 That's not necessarily niche based. 00:41:58.380 --> 00:42:08.380 Um, but I have found, um, that, that is starting to incorporate some, uh, some Christians, some 00:42:08.380 --> 00:42:11.380 Christ like business coaching. 00:42:11.380 --> 00:42:18.380 I am finding a lot of Christians that are, um, that are wanting to get business coaching, 00:42:18.380 --> 00:42:23.380 but do it from a biblical mindset and a biblical perspective. 00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:26.380 And, um, God has really just put that in my lap. 00:42:26.380 --> 00:42:29.380 He's like, here, I want you to coach this person on this topic. 00:42:29.380 --> 00:42:32.380 I'm like, oh, okay. 00:42:32.380 --> 00:42:33.380 Yeah. 00:42:33.380 --> 00:42:39.380 Have you, have you explored doing that type of coaching outside of, you know, nine to 00:42:39.380 --> 00:42:45.380 five ministry context, Christians in the workplace, in the marketplace, in education systems? 00:42:45.380 --> 00:42:51.380 Have you, does the coaching adapt outside of kind of the church space? 00:42:51.380 --> 00:42:53.380 Um, yes. 00:42:53.380 --> 00:43:03.380 And it always has for me, it seems, um, for as many, um, church based clients that I have 00:43:03.380 --> 00:43:10.380 that I am found somehow, um, by those outside the church. 00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:18.380 Um, and, um, and a lot of it is starting to gear towards, um, those in the marketplace, 00:43:18.380 --> 00:43:23.380 um, and coaching coach people who want to be coaches. 00:43:23.380 --> 00:43:28.380 They're like, let me work on my own self first before I coach others. 00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:39.380 Um, and I am starting to modify some of my messages, um, for, uh, for education as well. 00:43:39.380 --> 00:43:46.380 Um, my new, uh, topic that I'm building out is BYOB. 00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:49.380 Be your own best friend. 00:43:49.380 --> 00:43:50.380 Oh, wow. 00:43:50.380 --> 00:43:52.380 Be, be your own best. 00:43:52.380 --> 00:43:53.380 Be your own best friend. 00:43:53.380 --> 00:43:54.380 Okay. 00:43:54.380 --> 00:43:55.380 Yeah. 00:43:55.380 --> 00:43:56.380 Bestie. 00:43:56.380 --> 00:43:57.380 Yeah. 00:43:57.380 --> 00:43:58.380 Your own bestie. 00:43:58.380 --> 00:43:59.380 BYOB. 00:43:59.380 --> 00:44:00.380 Be your own bestie. 00:44:00.380 --> 00:44:02.380 Very cool. 00:44:02.380 --> 00:44:03.380 Yeah. 00:44:03.380 --> 00:44:04.380 Yeah. 00:44:04.380 --> 00:44:06.380 I, I love it. 00:44:06.380 --> 00:44:08.380 I know, you know, bestie. 00:44:08.380 --> 00:44:12.380 I don't use bestie a lot, but yeah, I love, I love, I love that idea. 00:44:12.380 --> 00:44:15.380 Um, BYOBFF. 00:44:15.380 --> 00:44:16.380 BYOBFF. 00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:18.380 My, um, you know, Dr. 00:44:18.380 --> 00:44:21.380 John, uh, who's out there on the West coast with you. 00:44:21.380 --> 00:44:25.380 He's, he also is a guy who, I don't want to say he's cheap. 00:44:25.380 --> 00:44:35.380 He had a, he had a coaching business that was, was working with churches and it's, it's struggled to really catch on for whatever reason. 00:44:35.380 --> 00:44:44.380 Um, but then he adapted some of his coaching into the, the secular marketplace outside of the church space. 00:44:44.380 --> 00:44:47.380 And, and I'll tell you like his coaching business exploded. 00:44:47.380 --> 00:44:55.380 Somehow he got, uh, earmarked into like the education world, uh, in, and wherever he is in California. 00:44:55.380 --> 00:45:11.380 And dude is like flying off, off of that because he, he, he took some of, of the niches he was coaching in the church space and, and brought it into, uh, into the, into the, uh, education area, uh, up within the county. 00:45:11.380 --> 00:45:21.380 And, and he has just been going from school to school to school, having literally doing the same coaching for all these different, um, K five to 12 schools. 00:45:21.380 --> 00:45:30.380 And, uh, I don't think he's doing college, but maybe he is at this point, but anyway, like it's just has accelerated greatly once he got into that ecosystem. 00:45:30.380 --> 00:45:40.380 And, and it's been, it's eyeopening for me realizing that, that sometimes, you know, I kind of, and this is one of the things I struggle with. 00:45:40.380 --> 00:45:51.380 I kind of feel like I have a unique set of skills that operate best inside the church building inside this, you know, ecosystem that we're even trying to move away from. 00:45:51.380 --> 00:45:56.380 And by moving away from it, it's like, well, my skillset, I'm kind of walking away from that. 00:45:56.380 --> 00:46:04.380 How do I contribute value, you know, even outside the church world when I'm not even using my skillset inside the church world. 00:46:04.380 --> 00:46:15.380 Uh, but there, there's ways I think to, to bridge that into the secular marketplace or what have you, and with bivocational abilities. 00:46:15.380 --> 00:46:23.380 So I just, I'd encourage anybody to give a shot going down that road and start to explore what that would look like in, uh, in the unique spaces. 00:46:23.380 --> 00:46:26.380 That is absolutely an encouragement. 00:46:26.380 --> 00:46:29.380 Cause I, I was definitely thinking in that direction. 00:46:29.380 --> 00:46:35.380 Like all of my family, the women in my family on both sides of my family are in education. 00:46:35.380 --> 00:46:41.380 And, uh, I think I, my mom's a superintendent of a school district in Northern California. 00:46:41.380 --> 00:46:44.380 And I told her, I think it was around May. 00:46:44.380 --> 00:46:48.380 I was like, mom, I'm going to come start speaking at all your schools. 00:46:48.380 --> 00:46:56.380 She's like, uh, like I told her that's the perks of having a mom who's a superintendent. 00:46:56.380 --> 00:46:57.380 Yeah. 00:46:57.380 --> 00:46:58.380 Yeah. 00:46:58.380 --> 00:46:59.380 Yeah. 00:46:59.380 --> 00:47:00.380 That, that, that's the blessing of the superintendent. 00:47:00.380 --> 00:47:01.380 Mom. 00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:02.380 Hey mom, I'm not asking. 00:47:02.380 --> 00:47:03.380 I'll send you an invoice. 00:47:03.380 --> 00:47:04.380 I'm on my way. 00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:12.380 So, um, so yes, there's absolute benefits of modifying that. 00:47:12.380 --> 00:47:21.380 And, you know, and to be perfectly honest, it has been easier to reach individual coaches than individual pastors. 00:47:21.380 --> 00:47:23.380 One, there's a lot of suspicion. 00:47:23.380 --> 00:47:26.380 They think that you're, what are you going to teach my people? 00:47:26.380 --> 00:47:28.380 What are you teaching me to teach my students? 00:47:28.380 --> 00:47:29.380 Wow. 00:47:29.380 --> 00:47:30.380 There's a lot of suspicion. 00:47:30.380 --> 00:47:31.380 You have to break through. 00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:34.380 And if you cut through that, then you have to go through the board. 00:47:34.380 --> 00:47:37.380 And then you have to cut through their suspicions. 00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:40.380 And it's a long process. 00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:44.380 It's a long, and you have to be full of patience. 00:47:44.380 --> 00:47:47.380 You have to answer the questions over and over and over. 00:47:47.380 --> 00:48:02.380 And so, yeah, it has been much easier to reach those who have an individual desire to coach and to reach different out to different organizations that may not necessarily be, you know, church aligned. 00:48:02.380 --> 00:48:07.380 Because the goal is just God's people, you know? 00:48:07.380 --> 00:48:09.380 Yeah, that's, that's beautiful. 00:48:09.380 --> 00:48:10.380 I do. 00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:13.380 I mean, there's, there's, there's value in that. 00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:20.380 There's helping reach people and do ministry with people even outside of that building. 00:48:20.380 --> 00:48:21.380 Right. 00:48:21.380 --> 00:48:24.380 And engaging with them and dialoguing with them. 00:48:24.380 --> 00:48:25.380 It's funny. 00:48:25.380 --> 00:48:28.380 Like, ironically, you can always tell. 00:48:28.380 --> 00:48:31.380 I'm going to let you in on a secret you didn't ask, Pastor D. 00:48:31.380 --> 00:48:32.380 Pastor D. 00:48:32.380 --> 00:48:37.380 But you can always tell when I need to do laundry by when I wear this shirt. 00:48:37.380 --> 00:48:42.380 Because I only wear this shirt, my, the Living Word Christian bookstore. 00:48:42.380 --> 00:48:51.380 You know, this is back from like the years 2000, call it 2004 to 2008 when I ran a brick and mortar Christian bookstore. 00:48:51.380 --> 00:48:52.380 Yeah. 00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:59.380 And so, and it was, but like, it sits in the back of my closet. 00:48:59.380 --> 00:49:02.380 And whenever I'm out of shirts, this is the last one I grab. 00:49:02.380 --> 00:49:05.380 And so laundry is piled up in my closet. 00:49:05.380 --> 00:49:11.380 Um, but it's, it's, it's reminiscent for me, even as I'm wearing the shirt is like we did. 00:49:11.380 --> 00:49:17.380 Uh, there was a, um, we owned a, it was called a, it was a store was called C to eight. 00:49:17.380 --> 00:49:19.380 It was in West Palm beach, Florida. 00:49:19.380 --> 00:49:21.380 Are you in SoCal or NorCal? 00:49:21.380 --> 00:49:22.380 Where are you in California? 00:49:22.380 --> 00:49:23.380 You're in Southern. 00:49:23.380 --> 00:49:26.380 I'm from NorCal and I live in SoCal. 00:49:26.380 --> 00:49:27.380 Live in SoCal. 00:49:27.380 --> 00:49:28.380 Okay. 00:49:28.380 --> 00:49:30.380 So we were in, do you remember C to eight? 00:49:30.380 --> 00:49:32.380 Were you in, in Southern California? 00:49:32.380 --> 00:49:34.380 We were in, the store was in Temecula. 00:49:34.380 --> 00:49:39.380 Uh, the store was in, no, um, it had like six or seven locations. 00:49:39.380 --> 00:49:41.380 I could rattle them off at one point. 00:49:41.380 --> 00:49:45.380 I don't remember, but there was a guy, uh, this is going to be a long story. 00:49:45.380 --> 00:49:46.380 I'm sorry. 00:49:46.380 --> 00:49:49.380 But there was a guy, his name was Aurelio Barreto. 00:49:49.380 --> 00:49:52.380 He, it was a, it was a Christian millionaire. 00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:59.380 He made his millions inventing the, uh, Christian, the, uh, no, I'm sorry, not Christian. 00:49:59.380 --> 00:50:02.380 The dog house that looked like an igloo. 00:50:02.380 --> 00:50:05.380 You ever seen those like dog glues, the dog house looks like an igloo. 00:50:05.380 --> 00:50:05.380 Yeah. 00:50:05.380 --> 00:50:08.380 So this guy, Aurelio Barreto invented this. 00:50:08.380 --> 00:50:14.380 And after he made his millions off of the, the dog glue, um, he found Christ. 00:50:14.380 --> 00:50:17.380 And so he was convicted what to do. 00:50:17.380 --> 00:50:23.380 And the guy was kind of like this edgy, you know, um, uh, like an older motorcyclist, 00:50:23.380 --> 00:50:28.380 like, uh, like, uh, you know, uh, Harlington, uh, no, Harlington, uh, whatever it is. 00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:29.380 Uh, Harley Davidson guy. 00:50:29.380 --> 00:50:30.380 Yeah. 00:50:30.380 --> 00:50:37.380 And, um, and so he decided to create this, this company called NOTW and a second company 00:50:37.380 --> 00:50:38.380 called C2A. 00:50:38.380 --> 00:50:43.380 NOTW is like this, this really like hot topic, PacSun level brand. 00:50:43.380 --> 00:50:45.380 C2A would be the stores that it sold in. 00:50:45.380 --> 00:50:48.380 And so he had like a dozen of these all over California. 00:50:48.380 --> 00:50:57.380 And I was the first guy to like own a franchise of that in Florida in pre, uh, this was like, 00:50:57.380 --> 00:51:03.380 uh, pre Obama, 2008, pre the election, pre the recession that hit in 08. 00:51:03.380 --> 00:51:10.380 And so I actually had like $1.5 million committed from different people to open a series of C2, 00:51:10.380 --> 00:51:12.380 eights up and down the coast of Florida. 00:51:12.380 --> 00:51:19.380 Um, basically, uh, Tampa down where it was going to be Tampa, Orlando, West Palm beach, 00:51:20.380 --> 00:51:22.380 um, Miami, Fort Lauderdale. 00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:23.380 Well, I think we had one of the location. 00:51:23.380 --> 00:51:27.380 I can't remember right now, but the goal was to launch these stores. 00:51:27.380 --> 00:51:30.380 But the beautiful part was we opened one in West Palm. 00:51:31.380 --> 00:51:35.380 Well, I had this, the bookstore and I had a C2A running separately. 00:51:35.380 --> 00:51:41.380 We saw over a hundred people come to Christ in a brick and mortar mall in West Palm beach, 00:51:41.380 --> 00:51:44.380 because we were, we were training our, our employees. 00:51:44.380 --> 00:51:49.380 They were basically high school kids on how to share Jesus using the shirt designs. 00:51:49.380 --> 00:51:55.380 And so they were like these really like, not your typical Christian t-shirt. 00:51:55.380 --> 00:52:02.380 There were like skulls and crossbones and very, very edgy in designs to be, uh, attractive 00:52:02.380 --> 00:52:05.380 and to connect with a younger generation. 00:52:05.380 --> 00:52:05.380 Yeah. 00:52:05.380 --> 00:52:10.380 But we had kids that they, they literally would, they would come hang out at the mall at our 00:52:10.380 --> 00:52:11.380 store after school. 00:52:11.380 --> 00:52:17.380 They'd come like do you, you would see them out outside of the store praying with each other, 00:52:17.380 --> 00:52:19.380 like in the, in the hallway mall. 00:52:19.380 --> 00:52:26.380 And they were like, um, you know, just connecting in, in big ways with, with each other doing Bible 00:52:26.380 --> 00:52:27.380 studies. 00:52:27.380 --> 00:52:28.380 It was funny. 00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:34.380 My, my assistant manager actually went to go be a youth pastor at the life church. 00:52:34.380 --> 00:52:39.380 When life church came to town, life church literally stole my man, my assistant manager 00:52:39.380 --> 00:52:40.380 to be a youth pastor. 00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:43.380 I was okay with that, but we partnered with them. 00:52:43.380 --> 00:52:48.380 And anyway, but it comes to realizing there's opportunities to do minute. 00:52:48.380 --> 00:52:54.380 All that to say there's opportunities to do ministry outside of that church moniker. 00:52:54.380 --> 00:52:59.380 And, and, and growing up as a, as a guy that felt a calling to the church. 00:52:59.380 --> 00:53:09.380 I, I, I don't know, looking back, if God was calling me to do ministry inside the church, as much as the idea of doing 00:53:09.380 --> 00:53:10.380 ministry. 00:53:10.380 --> 00:53:15.380 And, and I just equated in my youth that it had to be inside the church building. 00:53:15.380 --> 00:53:28.380 Where I realized now, I really feel like God, I missed a lot of what God had because I was trying to be bleeding edge in a, in a vehicle like the church. 00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:33.380 That is, I mean, let's just say allergic to the idea of, of bleeding edge. 00:53:33.380 --> 00:53:45.380 And so now it's, it's like, man, what would it have looked like if for my life, if I had not been, um, restricted by, by some of that, you know, do I think God was glorified? 00:53:45.380 --> 00:53:46.380 Yes. 00:53:46.380 --> 00:53:51.380 Do I think God maybe had some things that I did not consider at the time because of my short sightedness? 00:53:51.380 --> 00:53:52.380 Probably. 00:53:52.380 --> 00:54:02.380 Um, in, in, in hindsight though, I think there's an opportunity for all of us to look, to recognize that ministry is not in the, the typical church buildings. 00:54:02.380 --> 00:54:07.380 And even, even fundraising does not have to be in those typical environments. 00:54:07.380 --> 00:54:12.380 We can look outside of that for opportunities that arise. 00:54:12.380 --> 00:54:13.380 Yeah. 00:54:13.380 --> 00:54:26.380 You're really a great example of that, Pastor Dee, as, as you've figured out ways to, to navigate that, to, for partnerships, to, you know, take advantage of mom, quote unquote, saying, Hey, I'm, I'm on my way. 00:54:26.380 --> 00:54:28.380 Uh, I, I charged 250 an hour. 00:54:28.380 --> 00:54:30.380 You'll figure out where that money comes. 00:54:30.380 --> 00:54:31.380 See you later. 00:54:31.380 --> 00:54:37.380 Um, but, uh, see, see at dinner, whatever, whatever it is, but no, seriously, like just figuring out ways to make it happen. 00:54:37.380 --> 00:54:41.380 And, you know, you've been doing this ministry for, for 12 years. 00:54:41.380 --> 00:54:42.380 12 years. 00:54:42.380 --> 00:54:47.380 And so somehow over the course of the 12 years, you know, you've managed to figure out how to make it happen. 00:54:47.380 --> 00:54:49.380 Good days and bad. 00:54:49.380 --> 00:54:53.380 What, what advice would you give to somebody that's, that's starting out? 00:54:53.380 --> 00:54:54.380 How, how, how do they make their 12 year anniversary? 00:54:54.380 --> 00:54:55.380 How do they make their 12 year anniversary? 00:54:55.380 --> 00:55:03.380 I always say this and try to remind myself of this. 00:55:03.380 --> 00:55:13.380 It's very easy to get caught up in what we do for the Lord and forget who we're doing it for. 00:55:13.380 --> 00:55:23.380 Well, always, always, always, always partner with God, partner with God. 00:55:23.380 --> 00:55:28.380 Even if your idea is a great idea, he's probably going to be like, here's how we can do it better. 00:55:28.380 --> 00:55:45.380 We, we get so caught up in doing ministry that we just get lost in who we're doing it for and who we're supposed to be doing it with. 00:55:45.380 --> 00:55:47.380 And, and what is it? 00:55:47.380 --> 00:55:50.380 I hope I get the scripture dress right. 00:55:50.380 --> 00:55:51.380 Right. 00:55:51.380 --> 00:55:57.380 It's, um, I think it's marked 10 and 27 with man. 00:55:57.380 --> 00:56:04.380 It is impossible, but not with God for, with God, all things are possible. 00:56:04.380 --> 00:56:09.380 And I think as Christians were like, yes, everything's possible for God. 00:56:09.380 --> 00:56:13.380 We, we interject, we replace for God. 00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:27.380 Everything's possible for God instead of no, the new, the King James says with God, that when we do it with God, everything is possible. 00:56:27.380 --> 00:56:37.380 And even if it legitimately is impossible from our natural eyes, God says, it's not impossible when we do it with him. 00:56:37.380 --> 00:56:38.380 Yeah. 00:56:38.380 --> 00:56:39.380 It's beautiful. 00:56:39.380 --> 00:56:48.380 You know, I, I do, I do think in, in my own life, sometimes I forgot that, uh, it was, you know, I'm carrying this on my own accord. 00:56:48.380 --> 00:57:04.380 I've, I've just, I've got a, as a guy that's guilty of, um, you know, uh, I've been called a finisher, like, you know, whatever Jeff starts, Jeff finishes Jeff, you know, Jeff, no one ever questions your work ethic. 00:57:04.380 --> 00:57:06.380 You're, you're, you're one of the hardest working guys we know. 00:57:06.380 --> 00:57:10.380 Um, you know, and, and so I'm, I'm guilty of those conversations. 00:57:10.380 --> 00:57:19.380 And historically I've been the guy that would kill himself, turn around and say, Hey God, thanks for, thanks for running with me on my journey. 00:57:19.380 --> 00:57:24.380 Um, not necessarily, Hey God, where are we going today? 00:57:24.380 --> 00:57:26.380 And let me walk with you. 00:57:26.380 --> 00:57:27.380 Yes. 00:57:27.380 --> 00:57:36.380 Uh, and, and so I do think it's, um, uh, it's interesting for us to maybe even stop and pause and evaluate is, is the road that we're on? 00:57:36.380 --> 00:57:38.380 Is that our road or is that God's road? 00:57:38.380 --> 00:57:43.380 And, um, what, what role is God playing on that road that we're on? 00:57:43.380 --> 00:57:48.380 Um, and so, Hey, thank you very much for that, that reminder. 00:57:48.380 --> 00:57:49.380 Thank you. 00:57:49.380 --> 00:57:51.380 We need to do this more often. 00:57:51.380 --> 00:57:59.380 Like, you know, I, I, I could totally appreciate hanging out with you for three 52, but you know, we probably should have did this half a dozen times before now. 00:57:59.380 --> 00:58:02.380 And so I'll, I'll make a promise to you. 00:58:02.380 --> 00:58:05.380 Uh, we'll involve you on, on a more regular basis here. 00:58:05.380 --> 00:58:11.380 Uh, with, uh, with, uh, with, uh, the podcast and the streams and the things involved. 00:58:11.380 --> 00:58:16.380 And so, Hey, as, as we're wrapping up today, Pastor D, uh, in any closing thoughts? 00:58:18.380 --> 00:58:20.380 Closing thoughts. 00:58:20.380 --> 00:58:26.380 Oh, you know, I'll, I'll just say this, that I always say to my congregation when I close. 00:58:26.380 --> 00:58:38.380 Um, you know, go in his glory, like his glory is there for us to walk in and to access walk in power. 00:58:38.380 --> 00:58:51.380 Like he's also given us his power and just receive everything that the kingdom of God has for us that Jesus died on the cross for us to receive. 00:58:51.380 --> 00:58:53.380 Just go for it. 00:58:53.380 --> 00:58:54.380 Yeah. 00:58:54.380 --> 00:59:01.380 And just pray that everyone just, just walk in the fullness of what God's got for you, how he's got it for you. 00:59:01.380 --> 00:59:02.380 Wow. 00:59:02.380 --> 00:59:02.380 Yeah. 00:59:02.380 --> 00:59:04.380 So take that away for this week. 00:59:04.380 --> 00:59:10.380 Uh, pastor D that, that was well said, walk in the fullness of God and what he has for you. 00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:16.380 And, and, and understand that pray that through, uh, in the, in the days, in the weeks to come. 00:59:16.380 --> 00:59:24.380 And so hit up pastor D's website, uh, for, you said it was church coaching app.com. 00:59:24.380 --> 00:59:25.380 Am I saying that right? 00:59:26.380 --> 00:59:31.380 You know, uh, church coach app, church coach app.com. 00:59:31.380 --> 00:59:32.380 Dot com. 00:59:32.380 --> 00:59:36.380 It's either the church coach or it's church coach app. 00:59:36.380 --> 00:59:41.380 I tell you what, just randomly type letters until you see pastor D's face. 00:59:41.380 --> 00:59:49.380 And, um, we apologize for any other websites you may accidentally stumble into while, while going down that road. 00:59:49.380 --> 00:59:53.380 And you can find pastor D inside our, our, our WhatsApp. 00:59:53.380 --> 00:59:56.380 Are you hanging out more in WhatsApp or discord with us? 00:59:57.380 --> 00:59:58.380 What's that? 00:59:58.380 --> 00:59:59.380 Yeah. 00:59:59.380 --> 00:59:59.380 What's that? 00:59:59.380 --> 01:00:00.380 Every, all the cool kids are at WhatsApp. 01:00:00.380 --> 01:00:02.380 Like the kids are over in discord. 01:00:02.380 --> 01:00:04.380 The cool kids are over, over in WhatsApp. 01:00:04.380 --> 01:00:05.380 And so, yeah. 01:00:05.380 --> 01:00:08.380 So you'll find pastor D over in our, in our WhatsApp. 01:00:08.380 --> 01:00:10.380 So you can hit up and ask for questions in there. 01:00:10.380 --> 01:00:14.380 But, uh, for today, next week, I'm excited. 01:00:14.380 --> 01:00:27.380 We got our, our Jesus friend, our Jesus film people coming around excited, had a conversation with Aaron today, and they're going to be talking about some of their next steps tools and some of the improvements, uh, they've had on that. 01:00:27.380 --> 01:00:36.380 We talked about that back with the last conference, but, uh, they've got some new functionality and some new things that we'll be digging into some really cool stuff. 01:00:36.380 --> 01:00:47.380 Like I love the fact that Jesus film is engaging so much within helping people share Jesus digitally, even beyond like this stuff that, that Jesus film is doing with their films. 01:00:48.380 --> 01:00:52.380 Um, but that will happen next week for today. 01:00:52.380 --> 01:00:53.380 We're going to wrap up. 01:00:53.380 --> 01:00:57.380 So pastor D thank you for the time today jumping on this stream. 01:00:57.380 --> 01:01:00.380 We will do it before we get to episode 700. 01:01:00.380 --> 01:01:02.380 I promise we'll get you to reengage. 01:01:02.380 --> 01:01:05.380 And, uh, but we're going to land the plane for pastor D. 01:01:05.380 --> 01:01:07.380 This is Jeff at the church digital. 01:01:07.380 --> 01:01:10.380 Thanks for hanging out, out with us today on the stream. 01:01:10.380 --> 01:01:11.380 And we'll see you next time on the show. 01:01:11.380 --> 01:01:12.380 Y'all have a good one. 01:01:12.380 --> 01:01:13.380 Y'all have a good one. 01:01:13.380 --> 01:01:13.380 Y'all have a good one. 01:01:13.380 --> 01:01:14.380 Y'all have a good one. 01:01:14.380 --> 01:01:15.380 Y'all have a good one. 01:01:15.380 --> 01:01:16.380 Y'all have a good one. 01:01:16.380 --> 01:01:17.380 Y'all have a good one. 01:01:17.380 --> 01:01:18.380 Y'all have a good one.