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 All right. Hey, everybody. Episode three. Oh, my gosh. There's so many. I can't. I normally check. I was funny. I just unmuted the guests and the guests. They go and talk in the background. If you guys want to plan, it's fine. It's episode 354. I want to say episode 354 of the Church Digital Podcast. You know what? Once you get past, I don't know, 12, you tend to lose track of things.

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 And so, honestly, it's just a giant number at this point. And there are some exciting things that we have planned with the podcast in the stream ahead.

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 2026, if you know me, 2026, you know, there's always bigger things ahead.

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 And so we started to think a little crazy about where we were going with the podcast and the stream and all this stuff.

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 And so stay tuned. It'll be great stuff. You know, there's a lot of things to stay tuned to because we've just got so much going on with the Church Digital.

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 It's fun to see Steve Reed jumping in, Andre Smith, Michael Jameson.

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 Michael Jameson, I don't think I know you, but I'm glad to see you on the stream.

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 Mr. Pete host. This broadcast can be seen live in VR big screen now. Look for Mr. Pete 3D room.

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 I love Mr. Pete. If for no other reason than I loved Mr. Pete for many reasons, one of which is the fact that the dude's constantly broadcasting what we're doing through VR.

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 And so love that. Mr. Pete, thank you for that. We've got Michael Jameson saying hello, everyone.

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 Hey, Michael. Michael, is that that's not an electric guitar? Is that a it's not a ukulele?

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 What what actually is that guitar? That's that's intro. That's interesting.

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 Andre Smith is speaking the international language of I have no idea.

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 I for life for me, I don't know why the software can't convert that down.

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 We have the same problem with flat cap. Flat cap does that.

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 El Michelle is saying good afternoon.

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 Romans coming in as well. Good afternoon.

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 Steve Reed is correcting me that we is this episode three fifty three.

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 I don't know that that's true. I really do feel like today's three fifty four.

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 Like I'm not calling you on that publicly, but I really thought that next week was going to be.

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 No, you're right. This is three fifty three because next week the town hall meeting is going to be three fifty four.

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 I am wrong. Steve, you're right in that situation.

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 By the way, Steve is not related to me.

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 Those of you thinking that Steve's you know what I was about to say, Steve, you're old enough to be my father.

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 I don't know that that's true. I may want to like calculate that out.

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 But it's actually very close if he's not Steve.

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 There's a lot of subtopics I'm bringing up here in this conversation right now.

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 You know, I've already talked about town hall.

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 I've already talked about my birthday.

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 I might as well throw the conferences out there.

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 We just, you know, call it a whole shebang.

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 So like this is my birthday week.

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 And so today is actually my birthday podcast.

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 I make a make a big deal about this historically or over the years.

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 I'm forty eight.

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 I think when I started the podcast, I was 40.

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 And so we've been doing this a long time.

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 A lot more gray has come into the into the podcast, into the beard as a result of the podcast.

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 And many, many other things more likely to be related to, I don't know, the two teenagers I have running around my house right now.

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 So here's what I want to say coming into this.

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 Hey, it's my birthday.

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 Instead of buying me coffee, which is hard to do since we're all scattered around the planet.

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 Maybe consider giving four dollars and 80 cents to the church digital.

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 Check out the website, the church dot digital slash give the church dot digital slash give.

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 It's interesting.

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 We've had people give four dollars and 80 cents.

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 We've had people give forty eight dollars and we had a high school graduate, a kid that graduated high school last year.

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 He is literally he's working his job post graduation is janitorial services.

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 And that guy gave a hundred dollars yesterday to the church digital.

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 And like I'm literally mind blown at this whole thing.

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 And so honored and blessed that people contribute to the nonprofit.

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 Organization of the church digital and everything that's involved in that.

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 So check out more information at the church dot digital slash give towards that.

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 Hey, we mentioned that the town hall is next week.

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 And so really excited about the town hall.

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 The town halls we do three or four times a year, maybe once a quarter.

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 And the idea is is is really to listen to you, to listen to the the people alongside and resourcing and to try to learn what your needs are, what your struggles are.

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 And also to to cast vision about some of the things that we the church digital are moving towards and some of the projects that we're working on to address some of the concerns that you guys have.

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 To be honest, the conferences that the things that we've moved towards, the digital missionary conference came out of the town hall historically.

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 One of the things that we actually heard in the last town hall pre summer was that we really had lost a lot of that voice centered around digital church planting.

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 It was like to plant a church in digital or virtual spaces.

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 And so we're at knowing that that was actually really good feedback.

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 We're actually making some changes.

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 We'll probably talk more about that at this upcoming town hall.

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 But look for more information on the town hall right around the corner.

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 It'll be Tuesday, 1 p.m.

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 Eastern next week, Tuesday, 1 p.m.

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 Eastern.

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 What is today?

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 Today's the 19th.

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 So it'll be Tuesday, the 26th, 1 p.m.

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 Eastern.

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 That's UTC negative four for our international friends.

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 We got Jules on saying hello as well.

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 I love me.

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 The Apple stickers, the Apple emojis, I think is what they call them, right?

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 Like Apple's artwork looks so much better than Meta's artwork and all the other artwork that's involved in it.

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 Kind of like the Apple artwork.

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 Like, I don't know.

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 It just works.

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 WhatsApp does not.

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 Like the stuff that I'm sorry, WhatsApp.

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 I love WhatsApp for many things.

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 But their stickers just don't do anything for me.

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 And of course, we got to talk about the Digital Missionary Conference.

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 Let me just say this.

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 And we're going to get into this conversation about talking next steps and some of these powerful tools that are available for digital missionaries like you.

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 But and actually next steps, Jesus Film.

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 These people have been long supporters of the Digital Missionary Conference.

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 The first one we did back in April and the ones that are coming up right around the corner.

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 As you probably know, we are doing four conferences coming up within the next month.

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 Actually, like the first conference starts four weeks from tomorrow and tomorrow.

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 And so excited about this.

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 September 17th is the beginning of conference season for the church digital.

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 And instead of doing a massive conference that's designed to connect to everybody, we wanted to get more nuanced and more specific to to really go after particular people that are doing ministry in digital and virtual spaces.

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 And so September 17th is the first conference, and that's our digital neighborhoods.

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 If you're looking at digital church planting or digital discipleship, really, this first conference of September 17th is for you.

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 It's where we're really talking about platforms as places, recognizing that different social media platforms and digital communities, well, they have different cultures that are built into that.

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 And so what does it look like to share Jesus within those different cultures, to disciple within those different cultures, and even to plant churches in those different cultures.

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 And so recognizing that that first conference, September 17th, digital neighborhoods is going to be great.

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 September 24th is Christ Centered Recovery with our Control All Recover Conference, where we're going to be digging into a lot of some of the mental health implications centered around, and also how to equip people to be stable in ministry in these addictive platform spaces.

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 What is it like to do to recovery?

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 It's interesting, we've got Elle Michelle, who's, you know, really interested in doing trauma healing, even in digital and virtual spaces.

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 Melanie says hi, of course.

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 And so, like, these are the things with those first two conferences.

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 October 1st is going to be the European Digital Missionary Conference, All Things Europe, how Europe is utilizing digital and missional environments.

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 And then, of course, October 8th, we're going to wrap up conference season with the Gaming Digital Missionary Summit, where we're talking about doing discipleship in Twitch, in video games, in streaming environments, in Discord.

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 What does it look like to be a digital missionary using gaming tools or even inside gaming environments?

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 And so, really excited, really excited.

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 I don't consider myself a gamer.

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 I have started playing an iOS game called Last War.

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 I love it more.

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 I've played that game more than I've played any other game in the past decade.

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 And I've got to tell you, one of my favorite things is interacting with people in my alliance.

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 And hundreds or so people, some of them are Americans, the majority are global.

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 But the life issues that people have come up with and are completely comfortable talking about to other people that are playing this game with them.

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 You know, somebody's going through a divorce.

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 Somebody's lost their job.

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 Somebody's homeless.

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 Somebody doesn't know how to resolve a conflict.

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 Somebody fell off the wagon and is now three weeks sober.

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 Like, there's just incredible opportunities in digital and virtual spaces to lean in and have conversations with people relationally and be the light of Christ to some people who maybe don't even know they need it.

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 And you, of course, of digital missionaries.

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 I mean, that's the heart of the conferences.

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 That's the heart of the church digital.

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 And that's the heart of why we're here.

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 So, hey, you know what?

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 I spent way too much time, way too much time talking in that stream.

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 And so I want to lean in a little bit here.

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 And it's actually time to get into the conversation.

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 I apologize up front.

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 I knew I had, like, too many announcements.

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 I told them before, and I was like, I got too many announcements.

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 There's no way.

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 But, hey, I want to introduce Aaron and Kelly into this.

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 And these are the nice people.

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 Well, I'm assuming they're nice.

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 I've known Aaron for a while.

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 Kelly seems nice.

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 She does the thumbs up.

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 But they're from Jesus Film slash crew slash so many things.

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 Like, the ecosystem that's surrounding some of this is beautiful.

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 But, you know, I met Aaron years ago, worked with him casually on some projects.

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 And now, with Jesus Film and crew leaning in more with the Church Digital, working alongside

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 us towards these ideas, digital missionaries, and creating tools and resources to help people

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 like you create, do ministry in this space is beautiful.

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 And so, Aaron, officially, for the first time, here with Episode 353, thanks for jumping on

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 the stream.

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 Hey, well, thanks for having us, Jeff.

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 It's fun to be back on something with you.

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 So, thanks for having me and Kelly.

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 Yeah, maybe to kick us off here, Aaron, you know, just tell us a, you know, a 30-second

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 minute.

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 Tell us your story.

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 How you ended up working with crew.

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 Yeah, I guess I grew up in New Zealand.

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 Yeah, my parents got divorced when I was like one.

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 And I guess I ruined my life between there and arriving at a university campus, you know,

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 especially the prior sort of three or four years before hitting university.

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 And it was at that point that I went to an outreach that was put on.

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 I knew it was a Christian thing on my campus.

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 And it was called How to Get Better Grades and Have More Fun.

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 I didn't really need help with more fun.

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 I needed help with the grades.

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 So, I turned up and the gospel was preached.

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 And the guy said, hey, it's something more important than better grades.

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 And it's going to take five minutes to explain how you can have a relationship with Jesus.

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 And so, there was about 250 people in the room.

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 And I sat around and heard what he had to say.

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 And I was about 31% sure that it was the right thing to do.

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 But there was something inside of me that made me make a commitment to Christ that day.

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 And that's sort of the beginning of following Jesus.

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 So, that was all the way back in Auckland, New Zealand as an 18-year-old.

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 Wow.

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 That was, so 18 years.

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 I'm not going to do the math on you.

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 You, you, you, I thought, I thought you were younger than me.

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 But with the bow tie, it's, it's, it's giving me a different picture.

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 But, uh.

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 I got two on you, so it's time for some respect.

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 Okay.

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 Sorry.

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 Sorry, sir.

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 I didn't mean it, sir.

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 I apologize, sir.

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 That's great.

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 And so, Kelly's coming on as well.

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 Kelly, maybe tell us a little bit about yourself.

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 Yep.

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 So, my name is Kelly Thompson.

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 I am currently in Texas.

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 And so, very proud Texan.

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 I was living in Orlando for a while with, with Aaron and the others.

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 But, um, I have been working with Jesus Film for, gosh, nine years now.

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 And so, for, I also kind of like Aaron, you know, came to know the Lord, um, through someone

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 coming and sharing the gospel with me on campus.

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 And so, literally, you know, was not raised up, um, in a particular Christian home or anything

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 like that.

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 Also, like Aaron had, you know, lots of things going on, um, in my story and in our, my life.

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 Um, but after someone shared the gospel with me, um, it was so impactful that someone met

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 me where I was at because I don't think I would have actually gone to church.

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 And I kind of had the mentality that Christians were really good and that's not me.

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 That's not how I was living.

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 And so, I can't go, you know, to, to this church unless I get my life right.

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 And I, unless I'm better.

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 And so, for someone to come and meet me where I was at, um, and then continue to walk with

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 me, disciple me was so impactful that then led me to, to start ministry.

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 And so, um, been with Jesus Film for nine years, you know, did the mission trip side for five

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 of those, um, got to lead short-term mission trips, helping equip people, um, to go and share

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 their faith and all over, um, and now working on the digital side for the last four years.

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 So, it's been an adventure that I could have never predicted, um, had a very different plan

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 for my life.

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 And so, it's truly a privilege to even be here today.

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 Yeah.

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 I, I love this.

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 By the way, you've got two people on the, on the screen right now that found Christ, you

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 know, through, through their stories back in, you know, the, the, the college days, so to

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 speak, and, and why it's so important for us to figure out how to reach and connect with

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 Gen A and Gen Z, like you're, you're, you're discovering this in, in, in, in real time.

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 Uh, you know, I found my calling probably in, in the high school era.

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 And, and, and for me really, I was one of these guys that was doing college ministry while

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 they were in school, kind of aggressively working with, with reaching.

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 And that's really where I didn't necessarily find Christ in college, but I discovered the,

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 the ministry tie-in of, of how to do things in that college space and, and being that,

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 being that light.

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 And, oh my gosh, it's so cool to be able to get together and have this conversation.

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 Kelly, where do you live in Texas?

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 San Antonio.

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 San Antonio.

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 Okay.

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 So I spent, I spent about five years in Dallas and four years in Austin.

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 And so we know, uh, my, my wife and I, we know Austin, we know Texas very well.

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 The whole country is the best.

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 Oh, so, so beautiful.

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 So the, uh, oh my gosh, what's the pollen literally almost killed me.

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 Oh gosh.

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 Yeah.

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 Like I, I just had a, there was the only bad thing I'll ever say.

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 Yeah.

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 I had such a bad allergic reaction one day.

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 My wife had to come pick me up from work and drive me home because I, I, I looked like,

00:16:33.020 --> 00:16:36.760
 you know, my face had exploded and puffed up and I couldn't see out of my eyes.

00:16:37.180 --> 00:16:39.380
 It was, it was, it was, it was a bad thing.

00:16:39.460 --> 00:16:39.620
 Yeah.

00:16:39.620 --> 00:16:40.380
 We've all been there.

00:16:40.580 --> 00:16:41.040
 All right.

00:16:41.040 --> 00:16:42.440
 Hey, so, so let's get into this.

00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:47.400
 So we're talking specifically today about, um, next steps, uh, with the, the platform,

00:16:47.400 --> 00:16:50.060
 maybe some other, other tools and options.

00:16:50.060 --> 00:16:57.540
 And so I love the fact that, you know, Jesus film as an organization creates the story of,

00:16:57.540 --> 00:16:59.160
 of Jesus, the movie.

00:16:59.160 --> 00:17:03.460
 Like I've done mission trips and Russia and Ukraine, where we show this film and people

00:17:03.460 --> 00:17:05.220
 are watching the story of Jesus.

00:17:05.220 --> 00:17:09.800
 I know there's some new versions and some new, uh, tools that are, that are coming out, but

00:17:09.800 --> 00:17:17.460
 the connection between a movie about the life of Jesus and digital tools that can help digital

00:17:17.460 --> 00:17:20.100
 missionaries, like, like that's a jump.

00:17:20.180 --> 00:17:26.600
 So, so maybe how did, how did Jesus film get from, Hey, we're creating this movie so that

00:17:26.600 --> 00:17:32.820
 people can learn about Jesus to software development, cloud services, platforms, like all this stuff

00:17:32.820 --> 00:17:36.120
 that, that you're in now, what does that process even like look like?

00:17:36.120 --> 00:17:36.780
 What does that look like?

00:17:39.280 --> 00:17:42.240
 Aaron, do you want to take a stab at it or do you want me to?

00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:43.700
 No, I'll, I'll take a stab.

00:17:43.700 --> 00:17:44.200
 Yeah.

00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:50.780
 I mean, Jeff, look, the world we live in, the world we transact in is, it's just, it's a,

00:17:50.780 --> 00:17:55.840
 it's a digital world, you know, like people submit their assignments via their email address,

00:17:55.840 --> 00:17:58.620
 you know, and no one turns in an assignment on a piece of paper anymore.

00:17:58.620 --> 00:18:02.080
 Um, you know, people turn up at university and they join clubs.

00:18:02.080 --> 00:18:05.000
 They go and look at what clubs are available.

00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:07.540
 They look at their page and they, they DM people.

00:18:07.540 --> 00:18:09.880
 And that's just the, the world that we're in.

00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:15.100
 And so, you know, we think about, uh, how do we build tools that help people connect today?

00:18:15.520 --> 00:18:17.260
 Um, you know, we've got to do uphold it.

00:18:17.260 --> 00:18:22.620
 You know, you, you go where people are and, and you contextualize your, your approach.

00:18:22.620 --> 00:18:29.480
 And I, and I think, um, you know, even like the, the, the medium is the message, right?

00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:33.660
 And so I think for us, we, we have to be in that place.

00:18:33.660 --> 00:18:40.600
 And, and so we, we, as Jesus film, we're, we're a medium ministry, you know, our middle

00:18:40.600 --> 00:18:45.780
 name and well, our second name is film and, and, and look at the advent of YouTube and, and

00:18:45.780 --> 00:18:50.760
 how that's just how many cotillion films are uploaded to YouTube every hour.

00:18:50.760 --> 00:18:53.100
 Like it's a, it's a media centric world.

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 People love content and they want to watch stuff.

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 And, but how do we take stuff that people are watching and perhaps a passive way?

00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:06.640
 And how do we, how do we move that into a space where people can actually react to, to something

00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:08.800
 and, and comment on something that's called engagement?

00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:13.740
 And so how do we, how do we, uh, how do we get into that engagement space?

00:19:13.740 --> 00:19:19.780
 Because as, as, uh, we share the love of Jesus, um, we need to bring that to a hurting

00:19:19.780 --> 00:19:24.200
 world and, you know, there's, there's people who you pointed out and the games that you're

00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:26.840
 playing, they're just going through, through challenges.

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 And while they're not talking to you on the game, they're obviously, they're often perusing

00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:35.380
 YouTube, scrolling, you know, they're looking at different platforms and they just come

00:19:35.380 --> 00:19:36.040
 across content.

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 They type in like, why am I sad?

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 You know, like, um, help, help me find hope.

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 And they land on one of the videos that, that Jesus film has.

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 And, and so for us, we've got to move beyond just the visual media.

00:19:50.040 --> 00:19:55.320
 I think that's a great place to start content creation, but, uh, we've got to move beyond

00:19:55.320 --> 00:20:01.480
 content creation into a place where we can create connection and software.

00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:07.380
 And I think from connection, we want to move people into community and that's the biblical

00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:08.640
 outcome to all of that.

00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:12.920
 And so for Jesus film, like, Hey, this is our best foot forward as an organization.

00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:19.120
 We, we need to come, uh, hand in hand, not just with content, but ways to help our partners.

00:20:19.120 --> 00:20:25.300
 And, and the honest truth is like, yes, there, there are platforms like, you know, uh, meta,

00:20:25.300 --> 00:20:27.700
 you know, Facebook, there's like, there, there are a lot of people.

00:20:27.700 --> 00:20:30.820
 So someone's like, well, we have WhatsApp, you know, what, why do we need Jesus films?

00:20:30.820 --> 00:20:37.100
 How, you know, and, um, and by God's grace, go take one of our films, put it in WhatsApp and

00:20:37.100 --> 00:20:38.920
 yeah, you can, you can knock yourself out.

00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:40.560
 There's a great many things you can do with that.

00:20:41.140 --> 00:20:48.060
 But I, I think we've also just got to help, help people, um, with moving into, uh, engaging

00:20:48.060 --> 00:20:54.600
 with people well and later and other platforms that don't provide all of the, all the pieces.

00:20:54.600 --> 00:20:58.700
 For example, I'll tell you this, like the extreme majority of Christians are not using those

00:20:58.700 --> 00:21:02.740
 platforms, uh, for, for sharing their testimony or sharing about Christ.

00:21:02.740 --> 00:21:05.860
 And so that's, that's quite a personal thing for many people.

00:21:05.860 --> 00:21:10.540
 And so, uh, so that's, that's something we could, we could press into if you wanted, but

00:21:10.540 --> 00:21:16.460
 we need to build tools and pathways for people to be effective and where they, where they live.

00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:17.480
 Yeah.

00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:26.380
 And so Jesus film is beat, is building new platforms that are exclusive for Jesus film.

00:21:26.540 --> 00:21:32.120
 They're building tools that are engaging with other platforms to make it more useful.

00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:37.220
 Like, how are you, uh, what, what's kind of the strategy, so to speak overall?

00:21:38.220 --> 00:21:38.500
 Yeah.

00:21:38.500 --> 00:21:42.240
 I think, like you say, we're, we're building things that exclusive, like we, we wouldn't

00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:43.220
 like that word exclusive.

00:21:43.220 --> 00:21:46.880
 We'd say, look, we just build things for anybody to use for free.

00:21:46.940 --> 00:21:49.220
 Like that's, that's where we're coming from.

00:21:49.220 --> 00:21:51.860
 And I'd say integration is really important.

00:21:52.020 --> 00:21:54.080
 Like, you know, it's great.

00:21:54.080 --> 00:21:57.840
 We can do ministry on WhatsApp, but maybe you live in a country where WhatsApp doesn't work.

00:21:58.180 --> 00:22:04.280
 Um, so maybe you're using telegram or, or signal or, or another platform.

00:22:04.280 --> 00:22:09.440
 And so the moment that we lock into like one platform, uh, we, we end up kind of hurting

00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:11.860
 a different part of the body of Christ and an audience.

00:22:11.860 --> 00:22:18.960
 And so, um, so with this, we want something that's platform agnostic and that's where we

00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.120
 can ship value to people where they can use media and move to engagement.

00:22:22.320 --> 00:22:23.720
 Kelly, what do you, what do you think?

00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:30.100
 Yeah, I was just going to say that, I mean, once again, worked at Jesus film for nine years.

00:22:30.100 --> 00:22:30.440
 Right.

00:22:30.980 --> 00:22:37.140
 And especially going and like, you know, my, my first job was literally taking our media

00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:43.380
 and helping people to share a video in person with someone to get into a spiritual conversation

00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:44.500
 to then get to the gospel.

00:22:44.520 --> 00:22:44.880
 Right.

00:22:45.460 --> 00:22:49.200
 And so through that time, everything was always trying to be contextualized.

00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:53.760
 Do you think of like the source of Jesus film in general is, you know, why it's gotten to

00:22:53.760 --> 00:23:00.400
 where it is, is because they have taken this film and seen and understood the power of making

00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:02.320
 something contextualized.

00:23:02.320 --> 00:23:07.000
 So that way it can reach so many more people than just the Western world.

00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:07.360
 Right.

00:23:07.780 --> 00:23:12.060
 And so that's in the same heart of, you know, this platform that we're going to be talking

00:23:12.060 --> 00:23:17.040
 about today, where it's, we want to create something that is contextualized.

00:23:17.040 --> 00:23:17.820
 It's free.

00:23:17.820 --> 00:23:22.920
 It's open to anyone who's wanting to use it to share and engage with people, um, for a

00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:23.960
 ministry purpose.

00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:27.040
 And that's just honestly the heartbeat of Jesus film.

00:23:27.100 --> 00:23:33.240
 Like we've always wanted to make sure that we're creating either content or our products

00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:37.440
 where it can be, um, for our users.

00:23:37.500 --> 00:23:41.140
 And that's, that's just, that's Jesus films heartbeat in general.

00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:46.820
 So yeah, I feel like what, what they've been creating with next steps, um, just really

00:23:46.820 --> 00:23:54.000
 models the, uh, the posture of open-handedness and, um, understanding the globe, to be really

00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:54.460
 honest.

00:23:55.180 --> 00:23:56.360
 No, I, I love it.

00:23:56.360 --> 00:23:58.060
 So let's go ahead and dive in.

00:23:58.420 --> 00:24:04.300
 So, you know, Jesus films built, built this, this software suite, these tools, next steps.

00:24:04.300 --> 00:24:06.760
 What, what exactly is, is, is, is next steps.

00:24:06.760 --> 00:24:07.600
 Let's, let's dig in.

00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:09.360
 Yeah.

00:24:09.360 --> 00:24:14.840
 I think a really good place to start here is one of the, when you get into global missions

00:24:14.840 --> 00:24:21.120
 and, um, you know, that, that's a, that's a big area and it's a big world we live in.

00:24:21.120 --> 00:24:31.600
 And one of the challenges I think for, for folks who are indigenous folks is that so often certain

00:24:31.600 --> 00:24:36.800
 countries in the world, which can remain, remain nameless, tend to ship things from that country

00:24:36.800 --> 00:24:39.140
 to that place in the field and say, use this.

00:24:40.140 --> 00:24:44.080
 And one of the challenges with that is that things built, you know, in the Western world

00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:52.460
 and then shipped to Togo or Benin or to, you know, Ethiopia or out of Africa, we could pick

00:24:52.460 --> 00:24:57.500
 the Middle East, Iran, something that's built in the Western world and shown to an Iranian

00:24:57.500 --> 00:25:04.580
 on a screen within 0.1 of a second smells like it came from somewhere else.

00:25:05.100 --> 00:25:10.800
 And, you know, the look and smell of things on a screen is just an instant thing, like

00:25:10.800 --> 00:25:13.120
 straight away, people were just like, this is not made here.

00:25:13.520 --> 00:25:17.360
 And that's one of the challenges with, you know, typically because the money's been in

00:25:17.360 --> 00:25:20.900
 the West, the tools are built in the West and they're shipped to people and they're told

00:25:20.900 --> 00:25:22.560
 to people in the different part of the world.

00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:26.960
 It's like, okay, here you go, Kelly, use this to reach the people where you live.

00:25:27.340 --> 00:25:30.860
 And Kelly's looking at this thing going, this just is not going to work.

00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:32.140
 And I learned this the hard way.

00:25:32.140 --> 00:25:34.020
 I built something for Ukrainians.

00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:35.940
 I built it in New Zealand.

00:25:36.060 --> 00:25:39.060
 It had a beautiful sunset and a beach and a bicycle.

00:25:39.060 --> 00:25:40.320
 And we use flip-flops.

00:25:40.460 --> 00:25:41.340
 We call them jandals.

00:25:41.980 --> 00:25:48.760
 And we shipped this on a cover to go to a campus in Kiev or in other cities in Ukraine at the

00:25:48.760 --> 00:25:49.100
 time.

00:25:49.760 --> 00:25:53.900
 And when we shipped it, these guys just, they just were blank.

00:25:54.040 --> 00:25:57.700
 Like they didn't, you know, and what came back is they said, well, we couldn't use any

00:25:57.700 --> 00:25:57.900
 of this.

00:25:58.020 --> 00:25:58.440
 We said, why?

00:25:58.540 --> 00:26:00.200
 They said, because the colors are wrong.

00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:02.340
 Like we don't use bright colors like this.

00:26:02.340 --> 00:26:07.440
 And so I can't sit at home even with Google and try and figure that out.

00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:12.580
 Like you're better to get someone in Kiev to sit down and say, hey, this is the journey

00:26:12.580 --> 00:26:13.340
 that I want to build.

00:26:13.340 --> 00:26:15.420
 And this is what looks like my culture.

00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:16.440
 And this is what's going to work.

00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:21.760
 And so our starting place with building next steps was like, how do we empower people in

00:26:21.760 --> 00:26:26.660
 the field to build things that are going to work in their locale and let them do it on

00:26:26.660 --> 00:26:30.200
 their terms and in the ways that they know because they're the experts.

00:26:30.500 --> 00:26:31.740
 And so that was our starting point.

00:26:32.700 --> 00:26:33.800
 Yeah, I love that.

00:26:33.860 --> 00:26:38.080
 Listening from the field and passing it up.

00:26:38.180 --> 00:26:44.640
 And I would imagine something in Australia wouldn't connect real well in in Ukraine.

00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:50.780
 I've spent a lot of a lot of years in Ukraine, and that is a unique environment to be in.

00:26:51.280 --> 00:26:59.680
 So like from a from a practical standpoint, you're you're like creating these open framework

00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:00.120
 tools.

00:27:00.120 --> 00:27:02.400
 Like, what does this actually look like?

00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:08.140
 Like, what's what's an example of of next steps and some of these tools that are that

00:27:08.140 --> 00:27:10.620
 are available to be adapted and contextualized?

00:27:11.580 --> 00:27:11.780
 Yeah.

00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:17.240
 So essentially, next steps is a tool for creating and sharing customized and interactive digital

00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:23.140
 experiences that we call journeys that help people to take their next steps towards Jesus.

00:27:23.140 --> 00:27:34.560
 So think Canva meets TikTok meets like, you know, just it's like a whole spiel of an interactive

00:27:34.560 --> 00:27:35.360
 experience.

00:27:35.580 --> 00:27:40.340
 And so I would love to actually show you guys, I think it's it's sometimes really hard to try

00:27:40.340 --> 00:27:43.580
 and explain next steps without actually sharing and showing someone.

00:27:44.120 --> 00:27:47.260
 But essentially, yeah, here is our website.

00:27:48.080 --> 00:27:54.460
 So this is the if you are wanting to come and learn more about next steps, you would go on

00:27:54.460 --> 00:28:01.060
 to next step dot is and you essentially would come and find this page.

00:28:01.780 --> 00:28:07.660
 We tried to help it make make it interactive for someone so you can kind of see we have four

00:28:07.660 --> 00:28:12.840
 different pages that you could go on to learn more about how this could work for a ministry

00:28:12.840 --> 00:28:13.860
 that you're trying to do.

00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:20.140
 But this is kind of even a good page to see this is what someone would be seeing on their

00:28:20.140 --> 00:28:20.480
 phone.

00:28:20.600 --> 00:28:21.740
 And then this is the back end.

00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:24.940
 So if you want, we can go into that right now.

00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:26.580
 Or do you want to kind of?

00:28:27.040 --> 00:28:29.160
 Yeah, let's let's keep keep drilling in.

00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:31.200
 Let me let me see what what this would look like.

00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:33.140
 Awesome.

00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.000
 So you would then go up to try it out.

00:28:36.060 --> 00:28:36.500
 Right.

00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:41.240
 And then this would pull up the back end of next steps.

00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:46.620
 And before I kind of go any further, Aaron, would you take a stab at sharing about kind

00:28:46.620 --> 00:28:49.180
 of how team works and security?

00:28:49.180 --> 00:28:54.280
 Because I know that people are really security conscious sharing data, et cetera.

00:28:54.460 --> 00:28:59.080
 And so I just wanted to take a moment so that we can kind of clear that up as well.

00:28:59.940 --> 00:29:00.100
 Sure.

00:29:00.260 --> 00:29:04.260
 So where Kelly is at right now is this page that she's in.

00:29:04.980 --> 00:29:06.180
 She said, try this out.

00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:10.140
 And obviously, she's a next steps user, so she has an account.

00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.000
 And you can see on the top of her page, there's like four or five little faces up there.

00:29:14.360 --> 00:29:17.400
 Those are people that are in her in her team.

00:29:17.900 --> 00:29:20.480
 Now, if you're starting today, you're not going to have a team.

00:29:20.540 --> 00:29:22.600
 You just you can create one pretty quickly.

00:29:23.360 --> 00:29:29.380
 But these are just some of the she's labeled her team, the dream team, as you can see.

00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.720
 And she's part of like a range of teams there that you saw come up on the screen.

00:29:34.180 --> 00:29:38.020
 These are all teams that Kelly is also part of, like other people's teams.

00:29:38.620 --> 00:29:42.760
 So I think what Kelly just would like me to share, because people start to ask questions

00:29:42.760 --> 00:29:44.480
 about like, how does this even work?

00:29:44.860 --> 00:29:48.660
 Like you can do this as an individual and you can just kick this off and just call your

00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:50.500
 team Jeffrey Rocks.

00:29:50.580 --> 00:29:51.420
 That's your team.

00:29:51.560 --> 00:29:54.740
 And you can add people in a sign like a Google doc.

00:29:54.840 --> 00:29:56.060
 You could you can invite me.

00:29:56.360 --> 00:29:58.700
 Now, you can invite someone to a whole drive.

00:29:59.180 --> 00:30:03.420
 Like so I you share entire contents of your drive with me, Jeff, or you can just invite

00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:04.640
 me to one file.

00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:10.260
 OK, so what you see on the screen, there are different journeys that Kelly has built, and

00:30:10.260 --> 00:30:14.540
 she can invite you to one of those journey and you could edit it, but you would not get

00:30:14.540 --> 00:30:18.540
 any of her data and you would not you would not be able to edit anything else that's in

00:30:18.540 --> 00:30:21.080
 the rest of her essentially team or drive.

00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:23.860
 OK, but she could add you as a team member.

00:30:24.500 --> 00:30:27.940
 And but if she did that, you would then have access to all that data.

00:30:28.060 --> 00:30:30.600
 And so you'd only add someone to your team if you trusted them.

00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:33.540
 And so nobody else can see your data.

00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:36.220
 So all of this data, it doesn't belong to Jesus Film.

00:30:36.940 --> 00:30:40.880
 One of the major problems that we had to solve with other missionaries and missions organizations

00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:45.700
 is that they want to own their own data and they don't want Jesus Film doing anything

00:30:45.700 --> 00:30:46.320
 with their data.

00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:51.600
 And so we create a structure where every person who comes in here owns their own data.

00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:54.560
 And so you can export your data.

00:30:54.660 --> 00:30:55.720
 You can do what you want with it.

00:30:56.060 --> 00:30:57.780
 The privacy all fits with that.

00:30:58.040 --> 00:30:59.880
 And we extend a license to you.

00:30:59.980 --> 00:31:01.760
 That's how we've kind of structured this whole thing.

00:31:02.060 --> 00:31:11.500
 So I'll let Kelly show you a couple of journeys, get back into some technical questions.

00:31:11.500 --> 00:31:16.020
 But that's that's a lot of work to to enable people to go and do the kinds of things that

00:31:16.020 --> 00:31:16.540
 they want to do.

00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:18.240
 And so and data matters.

00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.260
 We'll show you how these journeys look and the data that rolls up.

00:31:21.260 --> 00:31:22.180
 So go for it, Kelly.

00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:23.120
 Beautiful.

00:31:23.360 --> 00:31:23.620
 Yeah.

00:31:24.040 --> 00:31:31.820
 So I want to show you a journey that one of our partners actually uses for sharing with

00:31:31.820 --> 00:31:32.480
 the diaspora.

00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:38.400
 And so this is if you're on next steps, this is what you would be seeing for the back end.

00:31:38.540 --> 00:31:44.600
 If you're creating a journey or if you're taking a template and editing a journey, but literally

00:31:44.600 --> 00:31:49.060
 you would be able to come on here and you can see kind of all of these crazy spaghetti

00:31:49.060 --> 00:31:53.420
 lines and, you know, all these different what we call a cards.

00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:57.520
 But this is what you would see on the back end.

00:31:57.520 --> 00:32:02.360
 And then let me show you kind of what it would look like on the front.

00:32:02.360 --> 00:32:08.740
 So if someone is going to view this journey, they would come on to this welcome page.

00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:16.160
 And so for for this journey specifically, this this ministry, they will share this as a Facebook

00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:16.580
 ad.

00:32:17.120 --> 00:32:23.260
 And so they share it with specifically the diaspora and they allow them them to come on

00:32:23.260 --> 00:32:24.060
 their click it.

00:32:24.300 --> 00:32:25.940
 They're able to pick their own language.

00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:31.200
 And so each one of these languages would actually go to its own journey that's in that specific

00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:31.700
 language.

00:32:31.700 --> 00:32:33.120
 We're on the English one currently.

00:32:34.700 --> 00:32:38.940
 But then it just asks the simple questions like, what are you looking for?

00:32:39.460 --> 00:32:41.500
 You know, what do you what are you wanting to do?

00:32:41.900 --> 00:32:44.160
 You know, you could come on and say, I need prayer.

00:32:44.360 --> 00:32:49.100
 Well, then it opens up the space for them to actually input their own prayer.

00:32:49.100 --> 00:32:56.960
 They can submit it and then it would take them further through the journey to then asking if

00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:59.580
 they would want to be chat with or have an email.

00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:02.100
 They could go back to the home page.

00:33:02.220 --> 00:33:05.200
 They can think about, OK, well, what is reading the Bible?

00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:10.260
 And it just is it's literally an interactive experience.

00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:17.340
 And so one thing that's incredible about this is that kind of, you know, you're able to essentially

00:33:17.340 --> 00:33:23.640
 give someone if we go back to this this page the opportunity to kind of choose their own

00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:30.180
 adventure. If you've ever done a choose their own adventure book, you know, they are able you as the

00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:38.020
 creator are able to think through, OK, what am I wanting this person to experience and go through?

00:33:38.020 --> 00:33:45.600
 And so they it allows really for for you as someone who's going to be sharing the opportunity

00:33:45.600 --> 00:33:52.720
 to really engage your audience, to give your audience options, to be able to click and to explore their faith.

00:33:53.540 --> 00:33:56.780
 And there's just a number of ways of being able to even do that.

00:33:56.860 --> 00:33:57.820
 So I'm going to pause now.

00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.260
 Do you have any big burning questions, Jeff?

00:34:01.060 --> 00:34:02.700
 Yeah, I mean, I love this.

00:34:02.780 --> 00:34:09.260
 So essentially you're creating, I mean, a journey, a decision tree process where you're collecting

00:34:09.260 --> 00:34:12.000
 information from people based on the feedback.

00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:16.240
 And so I'm seeing just get into the weeds on the technology.

00:34:16.240 --> 00:34:19.180
 It looks like it's responsive because I'm seeing a desktop version.

00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:20.840
 I'm seeing a mobile version.

00:34:21.520 --> 00:34:25.900
 And so I saw there was a reference to chat.

00:34:26.160 --> 00:34:28.360
 Like, is that a third party chat?

00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.760
 Is there a chat that's built into your into this tech stack?

00:34:31.900 --> 00:34:33.400
 Like, how does that stuff like that work?

00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:34.940
 Let me tell you how this works.

00:34:35.080 --> 00:34:41.820
 So if we're going to go on to here for a chat, you would go on and you can click onto the button.

00:34:42.080 --> 00:34:47.060
 And what we have is where you can have a URL for the button.

00:34:47.220 --> 00:34:52.340
 You're kind of able to do a couple of different things, but then you're able to put whatever

00:34:52.340 --> 00:34:54.820
 we chat that you're wanting.

00:34:55.020 --> 00:35:00.500
 So for me, if I'm wanting to come on here and put my WhatsApp number, I'm going to delete

00:35:00.500 --> 00:35:01.940
 this now so no one uses my number.

00:35:02.580 --> 00:35:03.020
 Awkward.

00:35:04.160 --> 00:35:09.440
 But if you're able to go on there and then all of a sudden have your WhatsApp number for

00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:13.960
 your URL and that can be what it all of a sudden links to.

00:35:14.100 --> 00:35:19.180
 So if someone clicks that button, then it's all of a sudden opening up WhatsApp and all

00:35:19.180 --> 00:35:23.860
 of a sudden you're, you're direct messaging me or direct, you know, messaging on Instagram

00:35:23.860 --> 00:35:27.260
 for an Instagram DM URL or whatever it would be.

00:35:27.620 --> 00:35:35.040
 And so it allows you to be able to really make this very customizable, very interactive.

00:35:36.100 --> 00:35:37.740
 Everything can be linked.

00:35:37.740 --> 00:35:39.880
 Everything can have a URL with it.

00:35:40.300 --> 00:35:42.960
 Um, and everything too can also be changed.

00:35:43.060 --> 00:35:50.300
 I mean, even just for, for you to see for the images you're able, um, I love about this

00:35:50.300 --> 00:35:56.420
 is that we have an unsplash gallery, but you're also able to upload your own images on here.

00:35:56.420 --> 00:36:01.280
 You can use AI feature to write a prompt and make an AI image.

00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:02.940
 And then same with the videos.

00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:12.540
 If I wanted to put, um, a video on here instead, I can then go on and we have the full Jesus film

00:36:12.540 --> 00:36:13.040
 library.

00:36:13.040 --> 00:36:19.260
 So over 5,000 videos are on here with over 2,200 languages.

00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:27.420
 Um, but you can also put a link for, um, like a YouTube URL, or you're able to upload your own

00:36:27.420 --> 00:36:28.320
 videos as well.

00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.320
 And so once again, this just makes it extremely customizable.

00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:38.700
 Um, you know, one of my friends there, they're using this right now for, um, inviting freshmen

00:36:38.700 --> 00:36:40.680
 to, to their college campus.

00:36:40.680 --> 00:36:41.060
 Right.

00:36:41.180 --> 00:36:48.440
 And so one of the first videos that they have is a film of the, one of their student leaders

00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:50.200
 saying like, here, come with me, come with me.

00:36:50.200 --> 00:36:55.360
 And they're walking to the classroom that, you know, they have their weekly meetings and

00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:56.980
 because it changes every week.

00:36:56.980 --> 00:37:02.920
 And so they're able to upload their own video on there, make it feel like theirs, you know?

00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.380
 So it's, it's not just Jesus film content.

00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.540
 Um, it is whatever the user is wanting it to be.

00:37:08.540 --> 00:37:14.620
 So kind of going back to, Hey, this, this is contextualized for the people.

00:37:15.100 --> 00:37:17.060
 And that was the heart behind creating all of this.

00:37:17.060 --> 00:37:17.780
 So sure.

00:37:18.180 --> 00:37:24.380
 I know oftentimes with tools like this, there's contextualizing the, the graphics or things

00:37:24.380 --> 00:37:30.820
 in the different languages, but oftentimes the, you know, the, the UI built-in language

00:37:30.820 --> 00:37:34.500
 is, you know, limited to English or, or a smaller subset.

00:37:34.500 --> 00:37:38.460
 Like how, how does languages work for, for tools like this?

00:37:38.540 --> 00:37:43.740
 Um, let me show you, um, do you want to explain it as I'm sharing?

00:37:43.740 --> 00:37:44.740
 Yeah.

00:37:44.740 --> 00:37:46.380
 It's just what Kelly's jumping to there.

00:37:46.380 --> 00:37:48.340
 I mean, there's, there's two layers to this.

00:37:48.340 --> 00:37:53.900
 So first up the journey Kelly was showing you the front end, uh, the front end supports,

00:37:53.900 --> 00:37:55.940
 uh, a whole slew of languages.

00:37:55.940 --> 00:37:59.060
 And so, um, so that, that makes sense.

00:37:59.060 --> 00:37:59.320
 Right.

00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:03.200
 And it also supports what's called RTL right to lift languages.

00:38:03.200 --> 00:38:10.960
 So Hebrew, Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, their characters go from the right side of the screen to the

00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:11.160
 left.

00:38:11.160 --> 00:38:12.520
 They read from the right to the left.

00:38:12.520 --> 00:38:12.880
 Yeah.

00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:17.200
 So, so the, so the actual cards, when you swipe through, go the opposite way.

00:38:17.200 --> 00:38:22.560
 So the card we've, we've developed the front end to go the way that those people would expect

00:38:22.560 --> 00:38:23.440
 along with the text.

00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:30.000
 So, so we have RTL support and, um, and those languages, the interface that Kelly's in right

00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.800
 now, what she's actually doing in front of me here is she's just took a journey in English

00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:38.320
 and she just is converting it into a whole new language.

00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:44.720
 So while we're here talking, it's translating these four cards for her it's completed.

00:38:44.720 --> 00:38:46.720
 So I don't know what I wasn't watching.

00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:48.480
 She turned it into Arabic.

00:38:49.120 --> 00:38:51.840
 So that's Farsi, is it?

00:38:54.080 --> 00:38:54.880
 Western Farsi.

00:38:56.080 --> 00:38:59.600
 So this is incredible language support that Jesus film is providing.

00:38:59.600 --> 00:39:04.640
 Like you could come along and get a template that was in English and you could say, I

00:39:04.640 --> 00:39:10.480
 like most of what this template does, but I need this in Arabic or I need it in Farsi or

00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:11.520
 I need it in Russian.

00:39:11.520 --> 00:39:12.640
 And then I want to change it.

00:39:12.640 --> 00:39:14.560
 So you start with that template.

00:39:14.560 --> 00:39:18.400
 You can convert it into your target language.

00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:22.080
 And then from there, you could go in and edit it and change some of the text,

00:39:22.080 --> 00:39:24.800
 change the links out, et cetera, et cetera.

00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:31.200
 So, so there's, there's freedom to build something completely from scratch.

00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:37.280
 There's, there's, there's freedom to, uh, multiple languages when you're, when you're creating,

00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:44.080
 but there's also, uh, a template that can be easily adapted into different languages and,

00:39:44.080 --> 00:39:45.520
 and, and, and things like that.

00:39:45.520 --> 00:39:49.920
 What, what is the scope and, and, uh, of, of the templates?

00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:51.280
 How many do you have?

00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.160
 Like what are some examples of, of maybe some work?

00:39:54.160 --> 00:39:54.880
 It was interesting.

00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:55.200
 Mr.

00:39:55.200 --> 00:39:55.920
 Mr.

00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:57.360
 Pete's giving some information.

00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:02.480
 Hey, it sounds complicated and it is a little complicated, but templates, I'm sure really

00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:04.400
 simplify a lot of that.

00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:06.880
 And so maybe walk through a little bit of that if you can.

00:40:08.720 --> 00:40:14.720
 Yeah, you can create, um, we have a bunch of different templates, but you also can do this

00:40:14.720 --> 00:40:16.640
 on your own as well for the translation.

00:40:16.640 --> 00:40:21.120
 So I just want to make that clear too, like this translation can be for anything.

00:40:21.600 --> 00:40:24.880
 Um, we do have template, a template library available.

00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.000
 Um, and so you could go on here.

00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:32.640
 We're currently working on this, so it's, it's being edited as we're speaking.

00:40:33.040 --> 00:40:39.120
 Um, but there's ways that you can kind of take something and like this one or this and make it

00:40:39.120 --> 00:40:39.680
 your own.

00:40:40.160 --> 00:40:43.040
 Um, so that's really exciting.

00:40:43.040 --> 00:40:47.120
 And we, we're really trying to kind of focus on making more templates.

00:40:47.120 --> 00:40:49.920
 So that way it can be kind of grab and go content.

00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:56.640
 Um, but then also too, it, it is, it seems very complex to start kind of making a journey,

00:40:56.640 --> 00:41:00.320
 but as you go, it actually gets a lot more simplified.

00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.000
 Like it's, it's just like anything.

00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:06.880
 If you start playing on Canva or something like that, um, or, you know, understanding

00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:11.120
 how to make it real for the first time, like you just start doing it and you're clicking

00:41:11.120 --> 00:41:13.040
 buttons and you're playing with things.

00:41:13.040 --> 00:41:15.840
 And then all of a sudden it's really fun and enjoyable.

00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:20.800
 Like I'm working with people who are even, you know, in, I don't want to say older, but

00:41:21.600 --> 00:41:23.760
 you know, who are, are not the young ones.

00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:24.080
 Right.

00:41:24.080 --> 00:41:25.360
 And they're loving this.

00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:29.760
 Like it's, it's really, really fun to see their creative ideas and the ways that they're

00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:33.920
 wanting, they're thinking about the ministry that they're doing and thinking through, oh,

00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:38.560
 how can I create a journey that would be, um, that would be able to, to meet these people that

00:41:38.560 --> 00:41:39.840
 I'm, I'm wanting to share with.

00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:44.640
 And so it really, it really is simple whenever you start working on it.

00:41:44.640 --> 00:41:49.440
 Um, but I, I understand that some people it's like, oh, this could be a little bit intimidating.

00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:49.840
 Sure.

00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:51.120
 Um, but yeah.

00:41:51.120 --> 00:41:56.240
 So I think too, part of the challenge is like you, let's say you dumb these templates,

00:41:56.240 --> 00:42:00.560
 super, you know, you dumb it down and like, and we've started from that space.

00:42:00.560 --> 00:42:04.320
 Like this is a very one card, you know, you can add additional cards here.

00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:05.440
 Kelly's adding a step.

00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:10.640
 And, but the, the challenge that we've had is like missionaries, digital missionaries globally

00:42:10.640 --> 00:42:16.160
 have come to us and said, Hey, you know, Aaron, I need the ability to do this in, in, in Arabic.

00:42:16.160 --> 00:42:16.480
 Okay.

00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.240
 I need the ability to have support for this particular type of font.

00:42:20.240 --> 00:42:22.080
 I need to be able to put an image behind.

00:42:22.080 --> 00:42:23.920
 I need to put text over an image.

00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.160
 I need to get the text out of the way.

00:42:26.160 --> 00:42:29.200
 I need to have the video playing while there's text I need.

00:42:29.200 --> 00:42:34.160
 And so once you start to get into all those complexities, like you start to say, well,

00:42:34.160 --> 00:42:36.080
 oh yeah, it is, I guess it's complicated.

00:42:36.080 --> 00:42:38.800
 And, and we, we didn't have to show you all that.

00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.760
 You would have just gone and started making something.

00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:45.920
 And then you'd say to yourself, gosh, how do I, how do I add chat in here?

00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:47.360
 How can I, how do I add a button?

00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:49.280
 How do I decide where this goes?

00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:54.400
 And so even these whips, like what Kelly's showing you there that, um, you, you have to

00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:56.880
 choose, like, how do you select where you go?

00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:01.280
 This whole thing was linear before, but what we realized is people don't go through a linear

00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:03.760
 journey, people jump around.

00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:08.400
 And so when we made a journey that could only go, A goes to B and B only goes to C.

00:43:09.200 --> 00:43:11.280
 Like users don't want to do that.

00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:12.480
 It's very boring for them.

00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.480
 So people want to jump from A to F and they want to get over there and have a look and then

00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:18.240
 come back to A and then go somewhere else.

00:43:18.240 --> 00:43:22.400
 And so we actually started to realize that people go in lots of different places.

00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.560
 And then we want to look at the analytics of that.

00:43:24.560 --> 00:43:28.560
 So if we actually show you how the analytics works, then you'll realize like, huh.

00:43:29.200 --> 00:43:33.920
 And we don't, we don't want to put the complexity on the user who's building the journey.

00:43:35.520 --> 00:43:39.200
 But at the end of the day, when you want to manipulate things down to a pixel level,

00:43:39.200 --> 00:43:43.520
 like where people have asked for, then that, that level of granularity is there.

00:43:43.520 --> 00:43:49.040
 I will close on this topic with this, that, you know, we've been very successful in producing

00:43:49.040 --> 00:43:50.000
 digital invites.

00:43:50.640 --> 00:43:54.640
 And what users want to do is they just want to say, here's, here's the date of, you know,

00:43:54.640 --> 00:43:56.480
 here's the address for our Easter service.

00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.440
 This is the date and this is our church name.

00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.200
 And they just want the invite.

00:44:01.200 --> 00:44:06.320
 They don't want to do what Kelly's doing, where they like pushing pixels, changing the images.

00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.640
 They just want something fast and ready.

00:44:08.640 --> 00:44:11.440
 And so you realize that we have to bring that to market.

00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:15.520
 And that's, that's a piece that you'll see roll out here pretty soon with next steps.

00:44:15.520 --> 00:44:18.400
 Well, we'll just sit like this invite that Kelly's showing you right here.

00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:20.720
 We'll just make that whole thing for you.

00:44:20.720 --> 00:44:23.200
 And we'll even change the label of your church.

00:44:23.200 --> 00:44:24.720
 We'll change the time of the event.

00:44:24.720 --> 00:44:27.040
 We'll just do all this from a few prompts.

00:44:27.040 --> 00:44:28.720
 So you don't have to move pixels.

00:44:28.720 --> 00:44:33.520
 But then whatever happens with most of the people, it's like, well, I just want to change something.

00:44:33.520 --> 00:44:33.680
 Right.

00:44:34.240 --> 00:44:37.200
 So you have to give an interface for people to change things too.

00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.960
 So on the screen I'm looking at right now, there's a form to collect information.

00:44:44.240 --> 00:44:45.920
 Where does that go to?

00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:47.280
 Does that like an email?

00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:50.160
 Does it store in some sort of back-end database?

00:44:51.120 --> 00:44:52.560
 Where's information collecting?

00:44:52.560 --> 00:44:53.840
 It goes into your group.

00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:56.400
 It goes into your team bucket.

00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:57.040
 Team.

00:44:57.040 --> 00:44:57.520
 Okay.

00:44:57.520 --> 00:45:02.720
 So your team bucket has your analytics, has your data, has your responses that Kelly's pointing to there.

00:45:04.080 --> 00:45:05.760
 And that's how you would access them.

00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.280
 And so, Kelly, you want to show them like that?

00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:10.800
 Yeah.

00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:13.040
 Unfortunately, this one doesn't have any responses.

00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:19.200
 And the journeys that I do have some responses for, I don't have permission to share with them on here.

00:45:19.200 --> 00:45:24.640
 But essentially, you would go on here and you would click that button.

00:45:24.640 --> 00:45:27.600
 And then it would pull up all of the responses.

00:45:27.600 --> 00:45:29.840
 And it would be individualized.

00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:34.240
 And they would be able to go on and see each one of these things.

00:45:34.240 --> 00:45:38.000
 And that would be either for, you know, information that you're maybe trying to collect.

00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:41.200
 Like this one's for the college campus like I was bringing up before.

00:45:42.080 --> 00:45:47.120
 We've been able to have, you know, a lot of different campuses right now, this week,

00:45:47.120 --> 00:45:48.720
 actually using this journey.

00:45:48.720 --> 00:45:49.920
 And they've made it their own.

00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:55.520
 And so this was, you know, the information that they're usually trying to acquire anyways

00:45:55.520 --> 00:45:59.680
 from some incoming freshmen so that they could be able to reach out to them to share.

00:45:59.680 --> 00:46:07.040
 And, you know, this card right here, this was direct input from one of our staff who share with

00:46:07.600 --> 00:46:12.800
 on campus where they just wanted to know and understand, okay, like we're mostly wanting

00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:17.200
 to interact with these two people groups right here.

00:46:17.200 --> 00:46:21.120
 And, you know, if they're not wanting to share any more information with us, then like,

00:46:21.120 --> 00:46:21.920
 then that's great.

00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:26.480
 Like, but how, how do we then get this, these people's information and not theirs?

00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:31.440
 And so you can see, you know, if this one person chooses that, they didn't just say,

00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:32.480
 okay, well, that's great.

00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:36.400
 Like, here's some more information, but they're not then having to then go and fill out

00:46:37.200 --> 00:46:38.480
 some contact information.

00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:43.840
 And so, like I said, it's really cool to be able to kind of give people direct paths.

00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:50.240
 And, you know, this is for inviting people to, you know, be able to engage more and hear more

00:46:50.240 --> 00:46:51.200
 about their faith.

00:46:51.200 --> 00:46:56.240
 But, you know, we can do this with any, any sort of events, whether that is, you know,

00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:02.480
 trying to invite them to an Easter event for church or, you know, getting someone to a Bible study

00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:06.880
 or just, yeah, the kind of the options are endless, really.

00:47:07.680 --> 00:47:10.720
 But this information, like I said, goes up to the responses.

00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:14.720
 And then I would love to kind of share some analytics.

00:47:14.720 --> 00:47:17.440
 This is, this is a journey.

00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:20.720
 Oh, no, it went away.

00:47:20.720 --> 00:47:21.280
 That's okay.

00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:25.920
 We can go ahead and try to share again and hopefully come back on real quick.

00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:30.240
 I'll, I'll do that while we're resharing and getting things tied up.

00:47:30.240 --> 00:47:32.400
 Okay, hopefully it should be there.

00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:33.200
 Boom.

00:47:33.200 --> 00:47:34.080
 And we're back.

00:47:34.080 --> 00:47:34.400
 Go ahead.

00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:34.880
 No worries.

00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:41.600
 So this was a, just a straight up gospel presentation that we shared on our YouTube

00:47:41.600 --> 00:47:43.120
 channel during Easter.

00:47:43.120 --> 00:47:44.880
 And so this one was awesome.

00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:51.520
 If you see right here, it gives the opportunity to do Arabic, English, Spanish, and then Mandarin.

00:47:51.520 --> 00:47:57.440
 And so each one of these, if you see the link, it goes to their own journey that is in that

00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.120
 language, which is really great.

00:48:00.240 --> 00:48:04.720
 But I just want to show some of the analytics overlays that you can kind of see with some,

00:48:04.720 --> 00:48:07.120
 some bigger numbers, how this works.

00:48:07.120 --> 00:48:14.480
 So essentially you can then see on here that we had almost 2000 people click the English version.

00:48:16.080 --> 00:48:22.400
 And then from there, you can start kind of seeing, okay, you know, this person, they clicked continue.

00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:22.720
 Yes.

00:48:22.720 --> 00:48:28.000
 I want 952 people said, yes, I want to know more about just Jesus.

00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:35.680
 Um, and then, you know, each one had kind of its own responses for, um, you know, even no thanks.

00:48:35.680 --> 00:48:36.480
 This isn't for me.

00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:45.280
 So this is where you see the power of data analytics and, and we're actually giving this

00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.520
 to the person who owns the bucket.

00:48:48.080 --> 00:48:53.040
 So for you, Jeff, whatever you build, you want to know whether it's going to work, go and publish

00:48:53.040 --> 00:48:55.360
 it and come back and find out yourself.

00:48:56.080 --> 00:48:57.280
 So you don't have to phone me.

00:48:58.080 --> 00:49:02.960
 You know, we can, uh, you can figure it out for yourself and it will actually, you can show the

00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:06.080
 bar charts all the way through and you can see where users are going.

00:49:06.080 --> 00:49:07.920
 And so you can make intelligent decisions.

00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:11.680
 You can learn about your users and like what people are interested to do.

00:49:11.680 --> 00:49:14.400
 Why does everybody go through the red door, but not the green door?

00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:20.000
 Like, why do people click anxiety, but they don't click, you know, whatever.

00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:24.000
 Why do they click pray for me, but they're not clicking this other thing.

00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.560
 So you get, you get to find that out pretty quickly.

00:49:26.560 --> 00:49:28.720
 And then you can structure your journeys as a result.

00:49:30.080 --> 00:49:33.360
 I think, you know, a couple of other things that would be good to get into Kelly.

00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:35.040
 It's just showing the share.

00:49:35.040 --> 00:49:41.120
 So if you turn off the app analytics overlay and then just show like another way to share this,

00:49:41.120 --> 00:49:45.760
 if you go to share, this is a URL that you'd have, but you can change this URL.

00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:46.960
 Now this is already published.

00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.680
 So I'm not going to change it, but you could edit this URL.

00:49:49.680 --> 00:49:52.240
 You could change this to Jeff likes ice creams or whatever.

00:49:52.240 --> 00:49:57.040
 And this ought to be next steps forward slash Jeff likes ice creams.

00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:02.160
 We can cancel that because it's in production, but, or you could hit this QR code.

00:50:02.160 --> 00:50:04.000
 And so if you hit that QR code thing there,

00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:08.880
 what we're going to do is generate a QR code for you, for your new website or your new journey.

00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:14.400
 You made Jeff likes ice creams and you could come find out about, you know, or, or, you know,

00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:17.680
 how does Jesus change lives and that QR code, you can put it up.

00:50:17.680 --> 00:50:20.880
 And so this is what a team in Serbia have been doing.

00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:24.080
 They, they made a journey to like, does God truly love you?

00:50:24.080 --> 00:50:25.920
 And they put them up in bus stops.

00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:30.800
 And they found that people stand in bus stops for like 10 to 15 minutes before they catch their bus.

00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:36.560
 And they stuck them in a range of different bus stops and through the city around the local church.

00:50:37.520 --> 00:50:42.400
 And those QR codes drove passive traffic into a journey.

00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:59.280
 And they ended up actually, I think in one week, they had about 70 plus people go through a journey in a particular bus stop and ended up meeting with three of those people in the church as a result of, of just like using it.

00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:07.040
 Like using it, so it's, instead of paying money for advertising in a space, they're, they're, they're putting a poster in a bus stop, which is free.

00:51:07.680 --> 00:51:11.680
 And maybe it costs them, I don't know, a dollar to, to make the poster or something.

00:51:12.080 --> 00:51:16.880
 And, but they're just driving traffic to, and then they're just picking up the fruit, right?

00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.400
 They're filtering through that journey who want to meet with them.

00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:24.400
 And then they're just interacting with them over telegram or whatever, and then meeting up with them.

00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:30.880
 And so they're finding this to be a, you know, a great means to, to, to surface interested folks.

00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:32.640
 Yeah.

00:51:32.640 --> 00:51:40.560
 I mean, I, I can totally see how, you know, using software like this post Jesus film to engage would be helpful.

00:51:40.560 --> 00:51:54.000
 I can totally see how a physical church, like you were saying, doing a poster in a bus stop to try to engage with people and to, to get to a conversation digitally where there, where people feel safe.

00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:58.560
 If you're utilizing that smartphone to engage with, I can see where that would be worthwhile.

00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:08.160
 You know, all of these in, in, on the screen, I'm seeing a mobile phone, but there's a, there's a desktop version of this as well, of the, that as well that adapts.

00:52:08.160 --> 00:52:16.160
 And so sitting at a Starbucks with a friend, you can take out your phone, you can break out your laptop, but also all this is web-based.

00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:27.240
 And so the ability to, to share the URL through a Zoom call, a Google meet, share it on discord and walk through with somebody in real time.

00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:35.440
 Like there, there's an opportunity to have this even scale across digital communities and asynchronous and, and, and things as well.

00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:35.720
 Right.

00:52:36.680 --> 00:52:46.440
 And so we've built little gospel things that, you know, you, you can create your own journey and just swipe through a gospel presentation that you'd want to share with somebody if you're in person with them.

00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:53.280
 So you can, you can use it in that in person sense, um, but you know, the portability of this, that in digital.

00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.520
 So another thing that you can do is discipleship with this.

00:52:57.040 --> 00:53:08.040
 And so what we find is that people are bringing people into small groups that are, you know, coming from a place where they're seekers, they're asking a lot of similar questions.

00:53:08.520 --> 00:53:13.880
 And so how do you answer, like, you know, is, is God going to make me rich, you know, like, how do I get a job?

00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:15.920
 This is some of the common challenges that people have.

00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:19.000
 And so how do you provide an apologetic for that?

00:53:19.520 --> 00:53:28.800
 Now you can, you know, type it out over and over and over again, or you can build a journey that talks about, um, you know, work and, and trusting God to find your job.

00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:35.160
 And so building that little journey in, in the chat, when someone's chatting and saying, well, will God help me get a job?

00:53:35.160 --> 00:53:37.440
 You can drop that journey and they can watch that journey.

00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:44.780
 They watch a little clip out of Lumo or the Jesus film, and then I share some scripture with them and they come back out of that.

00:53:44.780 --> 00:53:50.120
 And what's really cool at the end of the journey, you put a link that says back to chat.

00:53:50.120 --> 00:53:56.100
 When they click that, it kicks them straight back into messenger or into telegram or into WhatsApp, into the group that you're in.

00:53:56.540 --> 00:54:06.200
 So you're allowed essentially, I'm in line with you in a chat by dropping in a link, the end of that journey is going to bring them straight back into this conversation.

00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:10.820
 I come, I, you know, you, you say to me, I say, Jeff, but how do I, how do I pray?

00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:19.360
 Now you can go and type that out to every single person over and over again, or you can have a pre-prepared journey that explains about prayer.

00:54:19.460 --> 00:54:21.140
 So I go, okay, Aaron, here's prayer.

00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:22.240
 You drop the link in.

00:54:22.520 --> 00:54:23.700
 I go over there.

00:54:23.820 --> 00:54:24.440
 I go through it.

00:54:24.460 --> 00:54:26.240
 Or if you're in a, I'm in a small group with you.

00:54:26.300 --> 00:54:29.440
 So the whole small group is going through, how do we pray?

00:54:29.860 --> 00:54:33.100
 And then we click back to chat, kicks us back straight into the group.

00:54:33.720 --> 00:54:35.760
 And then we're like, Jeff, this is excellent.

00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:40.160
 I love this verse where Jesus said this and we're chatting back in WhatsApp again.

00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:45.080
 So the flexibility of Next Steps here is super helpful for even discipleship in this case.

00:54:45.660 --> 00:54:46.440
 I love it.

00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:48.900
 When did Next Steps actually launch?

00:54:49.020 --> 00:54:49.720
 Like what year?

00:54:49.820 --> 00:54:53.880
 Obviously it's versioned up over the years, but when did this become a thing?

00:54:54.800 --> 00:55:01.320
 Yeah, we were building some simple journeys that were uneditable probably about three and a half years ago.

00:55:01.620 --> 00:55:06.740
 The challenge with that was people wanted to change them and we needed an engineer to change them.

00:55:06.860 --> 00:55:11.040
 And so that's why we flipped the system to allow people in the field to make their own changes.

00:55:11.200 --> 00:55:14.900
 Because engineers couldn't even read the changes that people were sending through.

00:55:14.980 --> 00:55:20.220
 They didn't understand them in different languages and then it was wrong and we spent a whole life fixing these things.

00:55:20.300 --> 00:55:21.100
 And we're like, you know what?

00:55:21.460 --> 00:55:30.180
 Why don't we just ship the whole kitchen to somebody who lives in Cairo, Egypt, and let him in Arabic do it himself.

00:55:30.680 --> 00:55:38.660
 It's funny because the reason I ask is probably about four years ago, we were really trying to figure out how to do this.

00:55:39.100 --> 00:55:42.300
 And the answer was, like, develop your own mobile app.

00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:50.440
 And even with that, like the difficulties in developing the app, like you said, the engineer is not listening to the field.

00:55:50.560 --> 00:55:53.520
 We're having to, it's so hard to contextualize this out.

00:55:53.660 --> 00:55:59.800
 But there was no real easy solution to do something like this.

00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:09.660
 And this, you know, complexity or not, to be able to build out, to utilize the templates, modify the cards out, to get the information that you want.

00:56:09.660 --> 00:56:25.500
 The analytics that we're seeing here, like this is a really rich product that's going to give a lot of information up, you know, towards, to the people that are in the fields that want to know what's going on.

00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:33.000
 And then to make a modification via the web interface, like this is, this is, this is really cool.

00:56:33.520 --> 00:56:36.560
 And, and, and, and I'm, it's funny, I'm seeing it in chat.

00:56:36.640 --> 00:56:40.360
 I just want to firm up, like, all this is completely free, right?

00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.420
 You don't charge for next steps?

00:56:43.300 --> 00:56:43.680
 No.

00:56:43.680 --> 00:56:45.020
 We don't charge anybody, anything.

00:56:45.140 --> 00:56:47.220
 Yeah, it's, it's our model here at Jesus Film.

00:56:49.340 --> 00:56:51.180
 That is, that's incredible.

00:56:52.180 --> 00:57:03.960
 There was a, I'm not going to name the name of the tech company, but there was a tech, Christian tech company, who had a much higher price tag on this than free.

00:57:04.120 --> 00:57:05.140
 I'll just leave it at that.

00:57:05.260 --> 00:57:09.260
 And so, love that, and I don't, in my opinion, I don't think it worked nearly as well.

00:57:09.340 --> 00:57:11.520
 And so, love the fact that this is out there.

00:57:11.520 --> 00:57:28.420
 How many people, like, I know it's, how many people work on something like next steps between the, the devs, the, you know, marketing, like, what, what does building something like this for Jesus Film, what does, what does this look like?

00:57:29.500 --> 00:57:39.000
 Yeah, we have a UX team, who does a lot of research and interviewing people, so we probably have a couple of, a couple of UX people on this.

00:57:39.200 --> 00:57:54.180
 We have a set of engineers, we have different lanes in our engineering team, so at the moment, we have between one to two of our lanes, which would be two, two engineers working, so two to four engineers working on this, and we work in six-week cycles.

00:57:54.600 --> 00:58:14.160
 And so, then we would put a product person, a UX person, and an engineer, which is called a triad, and then you'd take what's called a design partner, which is someone in the field who knows what they want, and you put them together, and then across that six weeks, they would deliver features of benefits that those people are looking for.

00:58:14.220 --> 00:58:17.400
 So, successive cycles that we would work through.

00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:29.640
 So, you know, we have a lot of things going on at Jesus Film, but I'd say there's somewhere in the vicinity of, like, six to eight people working on this, if you even did out across other periods.

00:58:29.900 --> 00:58:38.460
 So, we've had, we've had a lot, we've had as many as, you know, six or eight engineers working on this at once to bust certain things out.

00:58:38.460 --> 00:58:48.220
 But the cadence right now with our design partners is, is around two to three engineers, a couple of UX people, a couple of product people.

00:58:48.720 --> 00:58:49.660
 So, that's phenomenal.

00:58:50.660 --> 00:58:55.960
 Are you at a point where you can talk about roadmap or where you're going or what's next with this?

00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:59.880
 Yeah, I think we've got to make the journey creation simpler.

00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:04.400
 I mean, I just, I look, I, the real challenge is people don't know what a journey is.

00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:09.180
 And so, they understand an Instagram story to move through that.

00:59:09.620 --> 00:59:21.720
 But, you know, from a chat prompt, like, hey, I want a journey that helps me explain the gospel in Urdu to 20 to 25-year-old males.

00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:27.540
 And, you know, to get that journey out, there's a lot of nuance and context there.

00:59:27.640 --> 00:59:30.280
 And so, we want to speed that up for people.

00:59:30.500 --> 00:59:40.820
 But at the same time, we've also realized that it's a bit, a bridge too far, just in the sense of just straight prompting, like writing out and, like, vibe coding something like this.

00:59:40.980 --> 00:59:46.940
 It's like, most of our missionaries in the field, they don't, they don't have those ability right now.

00:59:46.940 --> 00:59:52.220
 And so, we've got to find the happy medium between, like, speeding this up, not moving pixels.

00:59:52.380 --> 00:59:55.860
 So, that's the next piece that we need to really push into.

00:59:56.360 --> 01:00:03.140
 I'm not looking for political motivations here, like, and I don't want to get you in any trouble.

01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:12.060
 But are, does, like, AI, using AI to build the interface to simplify, is that something that you're open to?

01:00:12.060 --> 01:00:16.480
 Or is that, is AI a bad two-letter word in your organization?

01:00:16.940 --> 01:00:25.280
 AI is not a political issue for crew or for Jesusfilm, I think, you know, it's what you do with it.

01:00:25.660 --> 01:00:27.400
 And we're doing good things with it.

01:00:27.720 --> 01:00:37.720
 You know, Kelly showed you how we can generate, we've had users, and in fact, one of our female missionary people, third-party organization contacted us and said,

01:00:37.720 --> 01:00:43.580
 this is the first time in my life I've been able to publish things with photos of people because I can't use real people.

01:00:44.260 --> 01:00:52.380
 So, like, the AI images that I'm generating of females sitting down, struggling, whatever, you know, she's showing to lead people into faith in Christ.

01:00:52.600 --> 01:00:58.280
 She's like, I just love your product because I'm able to generate the images I need without creating problems for myself.

01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:03.520
 So, AI is creating the images, but also AI can help stitch these things together.

01:01:03.520 --> 01:01:15.560
 So, we're actually feeding, we can feed a Bible study or a PDF or even a video to next steps and generate out of it a journey.

01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:19.660
 So, that's part of our working prototype that we have right now.

01:01:19.740 --> 01:01:20.880
 And so, that's part of that roadmap.

01:01:21.060 --> 01:01:25.240
 It sort of comes back to, like, look, AI is going to do that faster than you're going to do it, Jeff.

01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:28.920
 And you don't want to take 30 minutes to push things around.

01:01:29.060 --> 01:01:35.960
 And, like, if you can get 80% of the way there first with a bit of AI and a bit of help in, like, two minutes, then that sounds like a good thing.

01:01:36.220 --> 01:01:37.720
 So, that's where we know we need to go.

01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:38.640
 I know.

01:01:38.720 --> 01:01:39.460
 I love that.

01:01:39.520 --> 01:01:40.100
 That's beautiful.

01:01:41.300 --> 01:01:43.760
 AI is the research assistant you want.

01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:47.800
 And so, let it do the hard work and then you massage it into place.

01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:48.540
 That's great.

01:01:48.980 --> 01:01:50.640
 Hey, so, next steps.

01:01:51.700 --> 01:01:52.780
 So, it's free.

01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:53.640
 Where do I get it?

01:01:53.720 --> 01:01:57.340
 How do I download it, access, create an account, get my team on it?

01:01:57.940 --> 01:01:59.580
 What's the action step from here?

01:02:00.420 --> 01:02:00.620
 Yeah.

01:02:01.100 --> 01:02:02.360
 So, go ahead, Darren.

01:02:02.520 --> 01:02:03.040
 Are you wanting to go?

01:02:03.080 --> 01:02:03.320
 No, no.

01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:03.820
 You got it, Kelly.

01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:10.220
 So, you would go on to nextstep.is, like I saw on the chat.

01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:17.940
 You can go and click that link and then, once again, go up to the right-hand side, click try it out, create your account.

01:02:18.080 --> 01:02:20.740
 It will prompt you to make a team.

01:02:21.060 --> 01:02:23.880
 You can just simply put your name if you're wanting it.

01:02:23.980 --> 01:02:25.720
 It doesn't have to be that complex.

01:02:26.240 --> 01:02:29.680
 And then, after that, I suggest start playing with it.

01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:41.900
 You know, if you are wanting to engage more, if, you know, you have a ministry team that you're wanting to maybe even get them equipped, you can always reach out to us as well.

01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:49.540
 And we are more than happy to help get you guys set up and to kind of give you some frameworks that we think through.

01:02:49.540 --> 01:02:56.700
 And that's my role with Next Steps is actually helping to implement Next Steps and to equip people with Next Steps.

01:02:56.780 --> 01:03:01.740
 And so, we love being able to equip new people to be able to use our tool.

01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:08.820
 And so, feel free to reach out to us and we are excited to see what you guys create.

01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:10.020
 Yeah.

01:03:11.240 --> 01:03:11.680
 Awesome.

01:03:12.500 --> 01:03:14.420
 Man, this has been a lot of fun.

01:03:14.820 --> 01:03:19.120
 I am, every time I see Next Steps, like I just am blown away.

01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:24.260
 You know, we're talking about maybe it's complicated, but compared to the other things out there, this is so simple.

01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:40.920
 And so, I love the idea of getting these tools in the hands of digital missionaries like you to better help and equip you to have some of these conversations, whether they're physically, whether they're digitally, whether it's remote.

01:03:41.340 --> 01:03:48.900
 And, like, it's just, it's so simple to build out these cards and the journey that's involved.

01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:53.200
 And so, Erin, Kelly, thanks for coming on here.

01:03:54.220 --> 01:03:57.880
 As we're wrapping up, maybe any closing thoughts?

01:03:57.980 --> 01:03:59.500
 Kelly, do you want to, you maybe go first?

01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:01.480
 Yeah.

01:04:02.240 --> 01:04:10.160
 You know, I think that it's so, it's so incredible to see God always working and meeting people where they're at.

01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:16.940
 And I think that that is the heart of, you know, this product, but this is the heart of everyone who's listening is knowing and seeing,

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 okay, this generation is online, this generation feels really comfortable scanning something and engaging with it or clicking something and kind of following the rabbit hole.

01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:38.080
 And so, I just am really excited to be a part of this work and I'm really excited to see how the Lord will continue to use digital to be able to impact people right where they're at.

01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:39.920
 Awesome.

01:04:40.100 --> 01:04:41.080
 Yeah, thank you for that.

01:04:41.140 --> 01:04:41.340
 Erin?

01:04:42.720 --> 01:04:45.180
 Yeah, just as we close, Jeff, thanks for having us.

01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:53.940
 And to your users and digital missionaries out there, I'd say, look, if you want to use these for discipleship, then you've got a captive audience and they trust you and they're going to go through things.

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 So, you can tend to have a bit longer journeys and the pace of that is a little different because I'm genuinely here to learn about prayer.

01:05:01.120 --> 01:05:10.340
 But if you're doing something at the top of funnel and you're dealing with what we call randos or randoms, they don't have much attention span at all and your 15-card journey is just going to die.

01:05:10.600 --> 01:05:11.680
 Like, it will not work.

01:05:12.160 --> 01:05:19.000
 So, you have to keep things very short for audiences that you don't know and you can direct them.

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 You can learn from that.

01:05:20.660 --> 01:05:30.100
 And so, the last thing I'd say is if people get very motivated about what they want to tell people, they kind of don't think really about what the person is dealing with in terms of a felt need.

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 And so, if your felt needs loneliness, then that person is going to be interested.

01:05:34.340 --> 01:05:38.600
 But if you want to just tell them about John 3.16, it doesn't make any sense to them.

01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:41.480
 And so, people start journeys on the wrong foot.

01:05:41.580 --> 01:05:44.680
 They start the journey with John 3.16 and let me explain it all to you.

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 And the person doesn't have any context.

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 Like, why are you doing this to me?

01:05:49.080 --> 01:05:59.740
 But if you start with, are you lonely or come to me or you who are worried and burdened and start with a felt need and then bring scripture into that and find out what people are interested in, then that's a journey people are interested in.

01:05:59.820 --> 01:06:10.380
 So, we just got to think through the mindsets of visitors, not through the mindset of, you know, 20 years of your church experience that you want to pack into three, you know, 50 cards that someone's not going to go through.

01:06:11.580 --> 01:06:26.880
 So, the idea would not to be create the ultimate 50-card journey, but instead create very niched and targeted journeys specific towards an individual in what they would specifically be looking for.

01:06:27.540 --> 01:06:36.820
 And we've had people put, you know, 20 cards in there with 40-minute videos and they wonder on the analytics why people aren't going through after this point.

01:06:36.900 --> 01:06:40.700
 And it's like, you have a 40-minute video, like, this doesn't really make sense.

01:06:40.820 --> 01:06:44.800
 You know, even a four-minute video is brutal for a user who's scrolling TikTok.

01:06:45.060 --> 01:06:46.820
 So, let's be sensible here.

01:06:47.380 --> 01:06:47.900
 That's awesome.

01:06:48.080 --> 01:06:50.640
 And that's great feedback in general.

01:06:50.740 --> 01:06:51.220
 That's good.

01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:53.560
 And that's why I'm no good on TikTok.

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 That and this is not the face of somebody you want to look at on TikTok.

01:06:58.020 --> 01:07:00.880
 So, we're going to land the plane on that.

01:07:00.980 --> 01:07:04.420
 Why I am not the face of the Church Digital on TikTok.

01:07:04.640 --> 01:07:05.020
 Thank you.

01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:05.720
 Thank you.

01:07:05.780 --> 01:07:09.460
 The man with the bow tie got me to that point.

01:07:09.580 --> 01:07:10.960
 So, no, I appreciate that.

01:07:11.260 --> 01:07:14.080
 We're going to land the plane for Aaron, for Kelly.

01:07:14.580 --> 01:07:16.200
 This is Jeff with the Church Digital.

01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:18.140
 Thanks for jumping on the stream.

01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:24.060
 Learn more about Next Steps at nextstep.is.

01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:26.880
 And we'll see them at the conference as well.

01:07:27.040 --> 01:07:28.280
 But, hey, we're done.

01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:28.960
 Thanks, everybody.

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 Have a great one and have a good day.