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 Hey everybody, welcome to the Church Digital Podcast.

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 We've got episode 367, 367 here.

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 At some point, I am officially going to lose count, but excited about the conversation

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 today and the events of yesterday.

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 We wrapped up digital missionary summit season with our gaming summit yesterday.

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 We hosted a four, five, six hour conference yesterday on Discord, and it was a lot of

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 fun.

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 And Discord did pretty good.

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 And really, we wanted to celebrate today, the events of yesterday, some powerful moments,

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 some takeaways, some, you know, gotchas, and just kind of celebrate that.

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 And so, for the conversation, I wanted to bring in the two people responsible for you

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 yesterday, and that would be Leighton, I'm saying size because everybody always corrects

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 me when I say it.

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 Leighton size, right?

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 That's correct.

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 Okay.

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 It rhymes.

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 It rhymes with Satan lies.

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 That's how I tell everybody.

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 Satan lies, size.

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 And every time I say that, yeah, every time I say that, somebody's like, no, it says, I'm

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 like, I'm pretty sure it's size.

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 And of course, Andy, we're going to pronounce it mage, because I actually have no idea how

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 to make fun of that name other than mage.

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 It doesn't rhyme with Satan anything.

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 Yeah.

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 Satan, Satan's cage.

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 Yeah.

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 There we go.

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 There we go.

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 That's all I got.

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 All right.

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 Hey, so listen, these were the brain, the architects, let's call it that way.

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 These were the architects behind yesterday's gaming conference and the host as well, the

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 gaming summit.

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 I got to kick back in the chair and watch.

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 I got to sleep in on the day.

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 No early morning details to scramble for.

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 These guys handled it all the way and super excited about the work that was done.

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 And so, gentlemen, thanks for handling the gaming summit yesterday as well as it went.

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 Leighton, man, I'd love to kick it off to you.

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 Like, what happened yesterday?

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 Like, give me an overview.

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 Give me a snapshot.

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 Give me your kind of lasting impression.

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 I think some of it was a bunch of people that are either in the process of feeling called

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 to digital ministry and are making connections around gaming and going, can I actually do ministry

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 in gaming or people that have already been doing it?

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 And they're just like, I don't know what model to follow.

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 I don't know who I'm following after.

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 I can look and I can see some successful people out there or some successful organizations, but I have no pathway to implement it.

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 So, there's a lot of people that are just hungry for some friends on mission, some guidance, some direction,

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 and they were just showing up throughout the time that we were there.

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 I think we are now about 820 people in the Discord.

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 So, probably in the process of coming up to the conference, we probably gained somewhere around 70, 75 new people in the Discord community

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 and people just coming over in the last week, joining in, coming in, whether they were there the whole day or not.

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 Just a lot of people hungry and excited about what God is up to.

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 Yeah, it was fun to see all the new subscribers come into the server and starting to engage in that space and that.

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 I do want to get into, like, the conference on Discord and some of the technical aspects of that.

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 But, Andy, kind of like, what was your takeaway from yesterday?

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 I don't want to be biased, but I think the gaming conference had the best engagement out of all of them.

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 I think that's, you know, for a number of factors, Discord makes it real easy.

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 Everybody there kind of knew the platform already.

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 Nobody was learning a new platform like Hublot, which was awesome as a partner.

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 But nobody had to learn things.

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 One of the coolest things that I saw also, obviously, were, you know, gamers or gaming adjacent or, you know, people that are relatively used to talking in a space like Discord.

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 Not only was engagement off the roof, but people understood immediately how to turn their cameras on.

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 And so towards the end, well, after our kind of wrap-up Q&A session, we opened up rooms afterwards for all the speakers and all the sponsors.

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 And I hung out in our Lux room for about an hour.

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 I think Leighton hung out in his room for about an hour and then moved to another room for 45 minutes or an hour.

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 And so that was about two hours.

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 And I went downstairs to cook some dinner and get ready for church.

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 We had church that night.

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 And I came back upstairs about two and a half, almost three hours later and opened up Discord.

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 And Jade was still in the room with five people just still talking.

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 And I thought, man, this is...

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 I mean, that's Jade in a nutshell.

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 But also, like, he canceled his entire stream for the day just to be there.

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 He cleared out all this space.

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 And I don't know, just the buy-in from him, from North Hill, from Leighton, and from Drewsey was just incredible to see.

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 Yeah.

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 You know what?

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 If I had known he was going that long, I probably would have jumped in there myself.

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 I had something right after the conference.

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 But I loved...

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 So the keynotes yesterday, Leighton opened up.

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 And then North Hill Live, which was new to me.

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 Talk to me.

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 What's his name over there at North Hill?

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 It's Chris.

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 So he got started with a...

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 He's been a church planter for years.

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 He pastors a church.

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 His church inherited another building.

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 And his church said, we don't need to do a plant in that physical space.

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 Let's take that physical church and let's plant a digital church.

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 And so he's been, after that, for the last three years, doing that, creating a sound studio in there,

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 putting together all of what he's doing.

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 So taking all of his knowledge of planting physical churches over the year and moving that into digital spaces.

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 So his church doesn't fully grasp or understand half of what he's doing.

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 But they are just like, you're reaching people that we can't reach otherwise.

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 And so we're going to support this and get behind all of that.

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 Interesting.

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 You know what?

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 I did not know that aspect of the story.

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 That's intriguing to me that a physical church, you know, it's decreasing and decreasing.

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 There were a couple that were doing it for a while and it's kind of trickled away, but it's cool to see North Hill Live still doing it.

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 And then, Andy, you spoke with the Lux crowd.

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 What was your talk about, Andy?

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 Yeah, so it was less about me.

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 I was interviewing Dalton Rosiska, who is our, over at Lux, he is our community and discipleship pastor.

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 And he, one of the things that Leighton and I were trying to do at this conference is to really show that digital ministry and digital missions work inside of the gaming sphere is less about the game you're playing and more about the target that you're creating.

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 And that's why Leighton's talk was really, really great, kind of kicking off the whole process of really starting to define who your one is.

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 And then North Hill, Chris came in and really started talking about how do you know if you're actually doing well.

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 Talked about metrics, really kind of gave us archetypes as well as to if you are this type of streamer or this type of content creator, you should be looking at this.

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 And it was, it was really cool.

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 Dalton, Dalton does a really cool thing with Lux where he, he calls it setting a table.

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 And this is, this is normal church parlance, but he creates teams of table setters to allow community to gather and form.

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 And so I really wanted to impress on our people that, hey, it, it, yes, we can do it at Lux because we have a staff and we have a giant discord server, but you can do it even if you're just a TikTok streamer or especially if you have a small fledgling community and here's your steps to do it, which was really fun.

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 And then we kind of turn it over to Jade.

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 Jade, Jade did Jade things where Jade just kind of opened the door and said like, hey, I've got a couple of things.

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 I have to say, and Jade just started simple.

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 Like, like not like, oh, well, we wouldn't know this, but let's, let's just take it back.

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 Start with, do you love, do you love Jesus?

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 Do you love God?

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 Well, yeah, I do.

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 Do you, do you, do you love Jesus?

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 Like, okay, what you're doing in streaming, is this about loving Jesus?

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 Is this about loving people or is it something else that's creeping in?

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 He didn't say it this way, but this is just my takeaway from it.

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 That reevaluation of, yeah, the reason I want to be in digital ministry is because I love God.

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 The reason I want to be in digital ministry is because I love people.

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 And if people are in digital spaces and I love them, I got to go to them.

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 And if I want to bring the love of God, so like Jade just starts as simple as it can be.

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 And then just opens it up to, hey, what questions do you have?

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 I want to answer your questions.

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 And it was like, we could have just, and then that's why it made so much sense.

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 Jade just hopped in a chat room and sat there for hours because people just wanted to be around him and learn from him and just rub off, have him rub off on them.

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 Well, yeah, his talk was about five minutes, I think.

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 And then he's like, all right, what questions do you have?

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 That was, okay, well, well, well played.

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 And evidently he took questions for like four or five hours.

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 So I know it was at least 30 in his keynote.

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 And then he was like, he was almost disappointed when Leighton and I were, well, when Leighton jumped in and we were, Leighton and I behind the scenes were DMing.

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 And by the way, I need to give my flowers to Leighton.

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 Like he was, it was incredible, incredibly easy to work with Leighton in setting this whole thing up.

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 Like he just, he gets it.

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 He understands the crowd.

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 He understands the platform.

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 For me as kind of the producer behind the scenes, like we would, we just kind of, we cooked.

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 I mean, we had this thing done back at, this was what, mid-October.

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 And he and I were essentially done mid-September with this and just fine tuning.

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 And that's, again, we understand the thing.

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 But, but with, with behind the scenes, we were, or we were DMing, hey, okay, five minutes.

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 And then, okay, we're going to have to get on stage.

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 And so Leighton jumped on stage and Jate was like visibly disappointed.

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 And I was like, dude, listen, we got, we got, we can't sit here.

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 Like this isn't a Jate stream, but you're like, we have a room for you.

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 And sure enough, he just was like, okay, cool.

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 I'm just going to transition over there.

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 He was at church last night.

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 We talked about it at church.

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 It was, it's, he did Jate things.

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 I just, I love that guy.

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 Yeah.

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 Jate things.

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 He's, Jate has turned into an adjective.

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 In things.

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 So, so very, very cool.

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 Yeah.

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 What was maybe, what was a, your, your favorite moment, powerful moment?

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 Like what was, what was the thing that sticks out in, in each of your minds?

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 Leighton, let's have you go first.

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 As you think about yesterday.

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 I think some of it was, and I love comments in the chat.

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 I think that has become a thing that is going to make it hard for me to ever think

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 I want to go back into the pulpit full time because I want the engagement on the spot.

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 So the comments in the chat that are engaging, it was so interactive of people who are going,

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 oh my, like, this is my just summarizing it.

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 Oh my goodness.

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 I've never thought of that.

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 Oh my goodness.

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 That's such a great point.

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 And they were phrasing it, however they were doing.

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 And then I especially got excited when they just start blowing up with emojis.

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 That's, that's the fun thing for me.

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 All the memes that are rolling along, engaging one another, and then side

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 conversations that begin happening that are tangent to what's going on, but relevant to

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 the people that are there.

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 It really becomes free flowing of ideas and spurring one another on and encouragement that

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 just comes off of the talk.

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 Instead of where you go to a normal conference, you sit there quietly, and then you have to

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 wait for time to go out in the hallway and, you know, decompress with everybody.

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 It's just spot on happening in the middle of it and happening simultaneously.

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 That's, that's the excitement for me.

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 Yeah, I got to tell you, I, um, I enjoyed, uh, Leighton in your keynote, you know, normally

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 when I'm on stream, you're dropping like, um, you know, memes and gifts on me.

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 And I kind of enjoyed, I kind of enjoyed turning the tables on you, man.

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 And like blowing you up while, while you're trying to focus and then being incredibly stupid.

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 I'm getting, it's more than that, but, um, yeah, there is a level two when, when you, you have

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 to make a decision is my content more important and the, then the conversations on the side,

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 or am I going to say, here's the more info I can't go through it all, but here's leading

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 to it.

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 And, and it was just kind of like, oh yeah, the conversation on the side is where people

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 are at.

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 So my content's not as important as the conversation on the side.

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 Yeah.

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 I, I, I have often wondered why places like, um, you know, church online platform that obviously

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 has their life church, they've got their platform, why they're not in our, um, what's the word

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 I'm looking for?

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 Um, building in chat into like the live show, as well as the online, as in the live physical

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 services, as well as the online services.

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 Um, but, uh, maybe that I'm just ahead of my time.

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 Like I, I would totally text it during services, the process.

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 Think about the, the number of senior pastors that are out there, what age they are and think

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 about them wanting any intrusion in the middle of them bringing the message God's given them.

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 It's a foreign thought concept.

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 Yeah.

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 So to build something into a platform that doesn't fit their paradigm is probably not the

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 right way to go.

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 Now, I think it's the right way to go because I think that's going to be more of what Jesus

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 was doing, engaging with people and, and bringing his message.

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 Yeah.

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 I know we read, uh, the sermon on the mountain and it's seven chapters of uninterrupted Jesus,

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 but I think he probably was interrupted along the way when he was giving those messages,

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 you know, and we have the glimpses of that a few times when, you know, Peter will speak

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 up and say, Hey, we didn't understand what you were saying.

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 Can, can you break it down for us?

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 Uh, so I think there was probably a lot more of that going on.

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 We just don't have all those discussions.

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 Yeah.

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 Um, time, I think in time, I think in time, you're right.

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 A new generation has got to come along, got to kind of transfer along, but, but we'll

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 get there.

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 Um, Andy, what was a, a, uh, powerful moment takeaway?

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 What was, you know, something that, that sticks in your head from yesterday?

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 Um, yeah, outside of Layton and we're going to, uh, I think we're going to show some of

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 Layton's keynote, uh, at some point, but, uh, outside of that, which was really well done.

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 And I think it, it, it really, uh, greased the groove in terms of getting people thinking,

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 um, Chris, who I, I, I know I knew him, uh, but I hadn't really been familiar with him.

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 Uh, North Hill, uh, North Hill live.

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 Um, he, I've been, I've been dealing a lot with archetypes lately, just in kind of some

00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:22.920
 marketing stuff I've been doing on the side.

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 And, um, one of the things he kind of dropped was the, this paradigm, this archetype of if

00:15:27.420 --> 00:15:30.980
 you are a certain type of streamer, like if, or if this is your personality type, these

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 are the things you should be looking at.

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 And I really keyed in on that.

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 And I think, uh, it's something I need to sit with.

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 Um, it actually spurred Dalton and I, in DMs to start talking about what archetypes we

00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:43.260
 found ourselves in.

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 Are you a big brother?

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 Are you a host?

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 Are you an entertainer?

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 Are you a disciple maker?

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 Like where, where do you fit in those channels?

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 And, you know, he, Dalton remarked to me in a DM, he said, you know, it's a lot easier

00:15:52.860 --> 00:15:55.040
 to see it in other people than in yourself.

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 So I see you as this, what do you see me as?

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 And it was a really cool kind of bonding moment for he and I, but also I think it, it really,

00:16:02.280 --> 00:16:07.940
 um, it really challenged me to start to define a little bit more of like, what are we actually

00:16:07.940 --> 00:16:08.700
 looking for?

00:16:08.700 --> 00:16:13.580
 You know, as a, as a church or even as a stream, uh, you know, as CCD or as Lux, like

00:16:13.580 --> 00:16:15.140
 what, what are we, are we hosts?

00:16:15.140 --> 00:16:15.980
 Are we entertainers?

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 Are we disciple makers?

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 Like what is the overall thing and how can we let that filter through the organization?

00:16:20.980 --> 00:16:24.600
 So it's something I'm going to actually carry into our staff meeting in a little bit and,

00:16:24.680 --> 00:16:27.140
 and, uh, see how we can translate it.

00:16:27.700 --> 00:16:28.020
 Awesome.

00:16:28.220 --> 00:16:29.260
 Very cool with that.

00:16:29.700 --> 00:16:35.460
 Uh, you know, that's part of what, uh, true center, Dr. Dr. Tim, you know, what motivates

00:16:35.460 --> 00:16:35.780
 us.

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 We've done some other, uh, something he, Dr. Tim was, uh, more connected into the neighborhoods

00:16:41.160 --> 00:16:47.580
 and, and the, uh, the recovery conference, but, um, yeah, just, I, I love the, that archetype

00:16:47.580 --> 00:16:53.380
 model and the archetype, um, you know, what it, it helps you have something you can hold

00:16:53.380 --> 00:16:53.800
 on to.

00:16:53.860 --> 00:16:56.820
 It's, it's like, Hey, this is, this is who we are.

00:16:56.880 --> 00:16:57.940
 This is who we need to be.

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 This is who we, um, you know, in, in that model that you can grasp onto, uh, is now that,

00:17:04.660 --> 00:17:07.920
 now that I have it, um, I, it's, it's easier.

00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:08.600
 Yeah.

00:17:08.600 --> 00:17:12.060
 You know, Barbara used to always say this, once you can put words on it, it's much easier

00:17:12.060 --> 00:17:12.780
 to, to replicate.

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 If you can ever put words on it, you have no chance of, of multiplying that.

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 And so I, I, I, I, I love that, that, uh, that option.

00:17:21.340 --> 00:17:23.840
 Hey, um, with, um,

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 Just to piggyback, let me piggyback on that a second, Andy, cause you were talking about

00:17:27.620 --> 00:17:29.460
 that and, and processing through it.

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 And my brain went a little bit further and going, what if you sat down and had your team

00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:41.520
 put your character sheet together for you, broke down your strength, broke down your charisma,

00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:43.760
 broke down all like figure out what those are.

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 Like I was thinking, Oh my goodness, how fun would that be to sit down in a team and have

00:17:48.760 --> 00:17:55.040
 them build your character sheet out for you of all of those things, you know, special abilities,

00:17:55.180 --> 00:17:57.780
 whatever you want to call strengths and, and, and what you utilize.

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 All that.

00:17:59.140 --> 00:18:03.440
 Yeah, yeah, we were at, so that's actually part of it that, and, uh, we actually have

00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:08.380
 at Lux, we have our engagement pathway and it's literally a, uh, it's built out to look

00:18:08.380 --> 00:18:11.560
 like a pathway from a, you know, from a castle to a tavern.

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 And, you know, it's very nerdy cause that's what, that's our, our target.

00:18:14.260 --> 00:18:15.240
 Uh, that's our one.

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 If you want to, you know, if we want to use our parlance from the, from the conference,

00:18:18.220 --> 00:18:23.300
 but the, the interesting thing is along the way you're going to meet people and who are

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 the NPCs you're going to meet, who are the player characters you're going to meet.

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 And I wanted to, I want to start defining those a little bit more.

00:18:28.460 --> 00:18:31.960
 Um, but you know, you know, in the first step, it's the awareness step.

00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:32.180
 Okay.

00:18:32.180 --> 00:18:36.960
 What are the PCs we're going to meet and how can we define them and how then as disciple

00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:42.140
 makers or hosts, how do we then, uh, just like distill metrics for success.

00:18:42.140 --> 00:18:46.000
 And I'm not just talking views, like, cause views and content is, it's just, that's a,

00:18:46.360 --> 00:18:48.100
 that's a game that you have to play with the algorithm.

00:18:48.100 --> 00:18:50.580
 Um, but how can we actually take that behind the scenes?

00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:54.700
 So that's something we're actually going to be doing probably over this month and into

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 the next month for 2026.

00:18:58.140 --> 00:18:58.860
 So cool.

00:18:59.560 --> 00:18:59.960
 Yeah.

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 I, um, I want to give a shout out to Saddleback Sam for making an appearance in yesterday's

00:19:07.300 --> 00:19:07.840
 conference.

00:19:08.180 --> 00:19:12.040
 Um, uh, Layton maybe nerded out a little bit.

00:19:12.140 --> 00:19:15.960
 Well, we'll get there here in a little bit, but, but Saddleback Sam made an appearance.

00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:17.660
 I, I, believe me.

00:19:17.980 --> 00:19:21.660
 I did not wake up yesterday morning thinking, Oh, we're going to talk about Saddleback Sam.

00:19:21.660 --> 00:19:26.660
 I mean, we talked about, you know, Saddleback Sam with the one, but I, so I was like, man,

00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:31.060
 man, Layton's like actually mentioning Saddleback Sam and Saddleback church describing.

00:19:31.260 --> 00:19:35.980
 And so that was, that was a surprise to me, all, all, all things considered, but, uh, but

00:19:35.980 --> 00:19:42.640
 very, uh, you know, it's interesting to me how not a lot of, um, well, it's interesting

00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:50.300
 to me how more and more digital missionaries, digital churches are recognizing the need and

00:19:50.300 --> 00:19:58.120
 the importance of finding the one there was, I remember, and actually let's go way back

00:19:58.120 --> 00:20:04.780
 the, the first, you know, 2021, the year that, uh, Mark launched, uh, Lux digital church.

00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:10.600
 Mark was part of the first cohort that I ever led at stadia where we had three or four, um,

00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:12.460
 guys that we, we walked through.

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 And, and at, to my recollection, Mark was the only one that was comfortable with the idea

00:20:19.820 --> 00:20:25.860
 of a one, the other three were like, that is, that's, you know, I mean, they didn't say

00:20:25.860 --> 00:20:30.960
 that's satanic, that's, but they're, they're, they're quoting the, you know, uh, everything

00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:36.880
 to all so that some may know they're, you know, they're taking the physical mentality as opposed

00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:43.460
 to recognizing, um, the importance of digital, of having a, a niche, a target.

00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:50.100
 And, uh, and so it was really interesting now to see four or five years later, since,

00:20:50.100 --> 00:20:57.220
 since, um, since Lux launched that now others are starting to really start to recognize the

00:20:57.220 --> 00:21:04.620
 importance of, of that niche and, and, and, and churches like Lux are, are very open to

00:21:04.620 --> 00:21:11.380
 sharing, Hey, what's, what's the secret sauce, finding that one and building on that, you know,

00:21:11.420 --> 00:21:15.280
 to not to say that, you know, so many are, it's like, well, what if God brings somebody

00:21:15.280 --> 00:21:16.440
 that doesn't fit into one?

00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:19.860
 It's like, well, then you bring who God brings you.

00:21:20.060 --> 00:21:20.380
 I don't know.

00:21:20.520 --> 00:21:23.060
 Uh, uh, you know, it looked like you wanted to say something there, Layton.

00:21:23.600 --> 00:21:28.340
 Oh, we, we were having a conversation around that post-conference because a couple of people

00:21:28.340 --> 00:21:32.020
 were pushing back against it, which I love when people challenge thinking, because it helps

00:21:32.020 --> 00:21:33.020
 us sharpen our thinking.

00:21:33.020 --> 00:21:40.360
 And I just use the illustration of if my person that I'm called to is a single mom who's struggling

00:21:40.360 --> 00:21:43.040
 financially, who's living paycheck to paycheck.

00:21:43.040 --> 00:21:44.760
 And I'm trying to reach out to her.

00:21:45.220 --> 00:21:51.700
 I'm going to reach you as a mom or dad who has a single daughter, because you're going to

00:21:51.700 --> 00:21:53.820
 resonate with my care for that person.

00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:56.080
 So I'm not trying to reach you.

00:21:56.280 --> 00:22:01.600
 I'm trying to reach the single mom, but you as a parent are going to say, I know your heart.

00:22:01.700 --> 00:22:02.540
 I know where you are.

00:22:02.600 --> 00:22:04.560
 I'm attracted to where you are and your care.

00:22:04.560 --> 00:22:08.280
 So I want to come along and join you and what you're doing.

00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:14.700
 So by focusing in on the one, it really resonates who we are to others around us.

00:22:14.700 --> 00:22:19.480
 As much as we reach that one, we begin to gather other people who might have similar

00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:22.360
 cares, similar passions, or just say, I love what you're doing.

00:22:22.360 --> 00:22:23.200
 And I want to join you.

00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:26.480
 Do you have any thoughts on that, Andy?

00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:30.440
 Andy, isn't there like some grandma that attends Lux?

00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:32.840
 I feel like I heard this story.

00:22:33.520 --> 00:22:33.740
 Oh, yeah.

00:22:33.780 --> 00:22:33.960
 No, no.

00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:38.960
 We have people that are above 60 and 65 regularly.

00:22:40.080 --> 00:22:45.120
 The cool thing about that, though, is that we are unabashedly aiming for the one at Lux.

00:22:45.280 --> 00:22:48.520
 And yet, when you do that, you're going to get, you know, it's a bell curve, right?

00:22:48.580 --> 00:22:50.320
 Like your one is the middle of the bell curve.

00:22:50.380 --> 00:22:51.060
 That's the 80%.

00:22:51.060 --> 00:22:52.900
 You're going to get 10% on either side.

00:22:53.800 --> 00:22:55.480
 The majority of the people are gamers.

00:22:55.480 --> 00:23:00.440
 And even so, a couple of the grandmas, one of them, she is in my small group.

00:23:00.620 --> 00:23:01.260
 She's not a grandma.

00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:03.140
 She's late 50s, early 60s.

00:23:03.620 --> 00:23:05.740
 She's in my small group, the small group I lead.

00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:11.100
 And she unashamedly says, I know nothing about this gaming stuff, but I love the fact that

00:23:11.100 --> 00:23:14.360
 young people are actually seeking Jesus on the internet.

00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:16.260
 This is the best way for me to connect.

00:23:16.260 --> 00:23:19.340
 And she loves opening her Bible and jumping into stuff.

00:23:19.420 --> 00:23:20.180
 And she's in service.

00:23:20.180 --> 00:23:22.000
 And she's asking questions.

00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.780
 And she's doing all that things because she resonates with the idea of this is actual community.

00:23:25.780 --> 00:23:28.880
 Not that it's community for her, but that it's actual community.

00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:30.860
 And it's kind of a safe place for her.

00:23:31.140 --> 00:23:33.500
 We have a lot of people like that.

00:23:34.360 --> 00:23:39.480
 And that's, again, we're unashamedly aiming for Shadow Slayer 329.

00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:42.920
 Like that is our, that is our, that is the distillation of who we're aiming for.

00:23:43.020 --> 00:23:44.820
 And yet, you're going to bring all the other people.

00:23:45.040 --> 00:23:48.780
 And it's like Leighton was saying, or even like Jeff, you were saying, like, instead of

00:23:48.780 --> 00:23:53.320
 going for all and grabbing few, why don't you go for the few and see what else you can

00:23:53.320 --> 00:23:54.160
 carry along with you?

00:23:54.260 --> 00:23:57.680
 It seems a lot more, you know, niching down is never a bad thing.

00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:02.040
 It seems a lot more niched, which is kind of what God's calling us to do in his kingdom

00:24:02.040 --> 00:24:06.140
 anyway, is to find our avenue in the kingdom, because there's millions of other people out

00:24:06.140 --> 00:24:07.440
 there that are trying to do the same thing.

00:24:08.700 --> 00:24:09.060
 Yeah.

00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:12.100
 For me, it's so good.

00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:22.760
 And it's interesting how the perspective is of having the one that you're not, you're

00:24:22.760 --> 00:24:29.320
 incapable of reaching beyond the one, but it's more of, whereas I look at more as a general

00:24:29.320 --> 00:24:34.900
 focus, we're going in this direction, but we're ministering to whoever God brings along.

00:24:34.900 --> 00:24:41.040
 And it's like, it's how that idea of the one kind of got twisted, I think, somewhere along

00:24:41.040 --> 00:24:41.360
 the way.

00:24:42.320 --> 00:24:49.560
 For me, the most powerful moment, and this may be self-serving, I apologize if it comes

00:24:49.560 --> 00:24:50.260
 across that way.

00:24:52.040 --> 00:25:02.780
 Seeing the response of the audience to the Next Steps platform was inspiring for me.

00:25:03.840 --> 00:25:08.560
 She was, I'm blanking, Andy, do you remember who did the talk yesterday, what her name was?

00:25:08.560 --> 00:25:09.140
 Kelly Bones.

00:25:09.540 --> 00:25:11.140
 Kelly, that's right, Kelly Bones.

00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:12.280
 Kelly Bones.

00:25:12.280 --> 00:25:14.140
 This was her maiden name.

00:25:14.140 --> 00:25:19.060
 I was like, that's got to be the most awesome maiden name in the history of all time.

00:25:19.820 --> 00:25:25.760
 And it was K Bones Tomp or something for her last name, her husband's name.

00:25:26.420 --> 00:25:28.360
 And she was so nervous.

00:25:29.080 --> 00:25:31.160
 Kelly, sorry, I'm going to out you here on the show.

00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:33.420
 She was really nervous about coming on.

00:25:33.520 --> 00:25:34.460
 It's the first time on Discord.

00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:36.240
 She's like, I should not.

00:25:36.320 --> 00:25:40.880
 Literally, she's like writing emails, you know, right before, I don't know what I'm doing.

00:25:41.100 --> 00:25:42.480
 How do I work this platform?

00:25:42.740 --> 00:25:46.560
 I'm jumping on Google Meet, doing a screen share, kind of walking her along.

00:25:46.660 --> 00:25:51.420
 Her husband's trying to help a little bit, and she's like, I don't know what I'm doing.

00:25:51.560 --> 00:25:52.740
 I don't know how this is going to work.

00:25:52.940 --> 00:25:59.480
 She did not understand the audience, I guess, more than anything.

00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:01.100
 Sorry, Kelly, I'm outing you.

00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:13.980
 But that group of people was so excited about the resource that Jesus Film Project's Next Steps platform was

00:26:14.500 --> 00:26:16.720
 and how they could utilize it.

00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.780
 Like, it was really cool to see in the chat engagement blow up and to see her face

00:26:21.780 --> 00:26:24.160
 and she's seeing the opportunity to connect.

00:26:24.360 --> 00:26:27.740
 Like, it just was really exciting to me in that one moment.

00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:28.620
 Go ahead, man.

00:26:28.760 --> 00:26:30.240
 And it's funny.

00:26:30.580 --> 00:26:37.300
 So that was happening, and then behind the scenes, so I popped into the room with you to kind of try to help.

00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:39.740
 I was only there for like 10 seconds and then bolted in.

00:26:39.780 --> 00:26:42.460
 I was like, oh, man, I hope she's going to be okay.

00:26:42.460 --> 00:26:43.700
 And she popped on, and she was fine.

00:26:44.120 --> 00:26:48.840
 She got her sea legs under her, and once she was able to start screen sharing, it was all great.

00:26:49.520 --> 00:26:54.680
 But the interesting thing was I immediately got two DMs from people, one of them from Dalton again,

00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.960
 and he was like, oh, this is mind-blowing.

00:26:58.220 --> 00:27:04.940
 And so he and another tab was like building out a thing for our Lux Kids engagement pathway

00:27:04.940 --> 00:27:06.220
 and all this other stuff.

00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:11.340
 I got a DM last night at like 7.30 as we were getting ready.

00:27:11.500 --> 00:27:13.160
 He said, this app is going to be dangerous.

00:27:13.800 --> 00:27:14.580
 I said, what do you mean?

00:27:14.780 --> 00:27:15.960
 Like, is this going to be a bad thing?

00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:16.540
 He said, no.

00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:22.300
 We're actually going to transition from some other things into using this app going forward for our Lux Kids program.

00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.120
 And I was like, all worth it right there, baby.

00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:26.580
 It was all worth it.

00:27:26.860 --> 00:27:27.020
 Yeah.

00:27:27.300 --> 00:27:34.780
 You know, once again, sponsorship aside, the Next Steps platform three years ago,

00:27:35.260 --> 00:27:40.500
 man, I would have been investing $5,000, $6,000, $7,000 in developing a custom application.

00:27:41.120 --> 00:27:46.920
 And I'm not even sure that custom app would have landed the plane as well as the Next Steps platform is doing for free.

00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:49.620
 Nextstep.is is the website.

00:27:49.840 --> 00:27:51.000
 You can check that out.

00:27:51.140 --> 00:27:53.860
 But that was, to me, that was really cool.

00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:58.760
 Because it's like, you know, a lot of times you're, oh, listen, there's all sorts of free resources we're providing.

00:27:59.300 --> 00:28:00.280
 Do this, do this.

00:28:00.580 --> 00:28:03.880
 And sometimes it's, you know, it's like the biblical scattering seed.

00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:06.880
 Sometimes it falls on Rocky Path and Thorny Bush.

00:28:07.080 --> 00:28:07.880
 And we tried.

00:28:08.260 --> 00:28:12.820
 But the connection point on that one was so beautiful.

00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:16.500
 Like, it just kind of was the walk away for me.

00:28:17.100 --> 00:28:25.800
 And so, well, then, of course, Layton's, which we'll get here in a little bit, the Super Mario slide deck that he shows.

00:28:25.900 --> 00:28:29.100
 I was like, man, once again, know your audience.

00:28:29.520 --> 00:28:30.620
 Go after your audience.

00:28:30.980 --> 00:28:32.180
 Well played with that.

00:28:32.420 --> 00:28:32.560
 Yeah.

00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:33.680
 Totally in theme.

00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:38.180
 Like, the only thing that would have made it better if Master Chief was, like, running in your background.

00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:40.580
 I'll, what, you know.

00:28:40.580 --> 00:28:42.540
 I had to represent Lux, you know.

00:28:42.600 --> 00:28:45.700
 I had to have my insignia up.

00:28:46.340 --> 00:28:46.680
 Totally.

00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.280
 I feel like I want to talk about Master Chief's.

00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:52.260
 He got moved over to Netflix.

00:28:52.420 --> 00:28:53.600
 I don't know if you saw that.

00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:54.600
 It got moved to his show.

00:28:54.940 --> 00:28:55.460
 The Halo show.

00:28:55.600 --> 00:28:55.720
 Yeah.

00:28:56.040 --> 00:28:59.880
 And I'm not, yeah, I was about to say, I'm not totally a fan.

00:29:00.020 --> 00:29:01.180
 I watched, like, a couple episodes.

00:29:01.180 --> 00:29:05.000
 I was like, yeah, I don't really care enough about this to dive into it.

00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:06.120
 But anyway.

00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.760
 For some reason, I just want to talk about it right now.

00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:10.500
 But maybe not.

00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:18.020
 Well, as an OG Halo player, I was semi-professional, almost professional in Halo 1, Halo 2.

00:29:18.760 --> 00:29:22.320
 And I have, like, a deep love for that lore.

00:29:22.420 --> 00:29:23.620
 And I watched that show with my kids.

00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:25.600
 And I was like, this is garbage.

00:29:25.700 --> 00:29:27.860
 They were into it because I had explosions and aliens and stuff.

00:29:27.940 --> 00:29:30.140
 And I'm just sitting there thinking, like, this is drivel.

00:29:30.860 --> 00:29:34.840
 Yeah, somebody was telling me it's like Mr. Chief, not Master Chief.

00:29:35.420 --> 00:29:38.500
 I'm still waiting for Contra, the movie, to come out.

00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:40.480
 Nah, that's just going to be bros.

00:29:40.620 --> 00:29:41.820
 That's Tropic Thunder.

00:29:41.980 --> 00:29:42.580
 That's what that is.

00:29:42.780 --> 00:29:43.780
 That's about to say.

00:29:43.780 --> 00:29:44.200
 Oh, well, yeah.

00:29:44.380 --> 00:29:45.520
 That's a good reference right there.

00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:46.660
 Yeah, there you go.

00:29:47.540 --> 00:29:49.560
 Robert Downey Jr. in...

00:29:49.560 --> 00:29:52.660
 I don't want to get canceled.

00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:54.380
 I'm not making any jokes at this point.

00:29:54.460 --> 00:29:54.720
 Sorry.

00:29:55.460 --> 00:29:57.560
 Andy, don't take me to bad places, man.

00:29:57.620 --> 00:30:00.480
 You almost took me someplace I did not want to go.

00:30:00.860 --> 00:30:01.400
 All right.

00:30:01.420 --> 00:30:03.600
 Hey, well, I do want to wrap up.

00:30:04.300 --> 00:30:06.100
 One last question before we go.

00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:08.780
 Are we doing this in 26?

00:30:09.260 --> 00:30:13.420
 Are we going to do a gaming track?

00:30:13.560 --> 00:30:16.660
 Are we going to do gaming something, another gaming conference?

00:30:16.800 --> 00:30:17.940
 What are you all feeling right now?

00:30:19.780 --> 00:30:21.240
 I mean, gun to my head, yes.

00:30:22.060 --> 00:30:26.940
 Because it's Discord handle, outside of a couple little Discord being Discord tweaks,

00:30:27.060 --> 00:30:29.260
 which, again, it's built on 30-year-old technology.

00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:33.320
 Outside of that, it performed remarkably well.

00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.360
 And the engagement in there was great.

00:30:36.500 --> 00:30:39.380
 It was incredibly well-received by all who attended.

00:30:39.800 --> 00:30:41.460
 And the cool thing, those numbers stayed up.

00:30:41.540 --> 00:30:44.140
 I mean, they weren't as high as our digital neighborhoods or anything.

00:30:44.280 --> 00:30:47.760
 But we essentially kept all of our numbers the entire time,

00:30:48.260 --> 00:30:52.260
 which is just insane for a six-hour conference or a five-hour conference.

00:30:52.780 --> 00:30:53.740
 I say, yeah.

00:30:53.820 --> 00:30:56.340
 And I say we could probably blow it up next time and make it a little bit bigger.

00:30:58.120 --> 00:30:59.140
 What's your take, Leighton?

00:30:59.380 --> 00:31:00.040
 What are you feeling?

00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:04.460
 I had, well, I'm open to that.

00:31:04.560 --> 00:31:12.540
 But I had another thought of because the time that we had was not enough time for people to actually process through all of the strategies

00:31:12.540 --> 00:31:20.020
 and the guidance we were trying to give, that maybe we need to make this into a cohort that people go into.

00:31:20.020 --> 00:31:27.280
 And we take the material and then we process through it so they could be working through all the things that were in the conference

00:31:27.280 --> 00:31:36.400
 in a group of, you know, maybe six, eight people that are going together, walking side by side, sharing what they're doing and do that for maybe six weeks.

00:31:37.060 --> 00:31:37.280
 Yeah.

00:31:38.080 --> 00:31:45.360
 It's almost, maybe it's both, you know, have the conference that is a big net to cast.

00:31:46.660 --> 00:31:50.940
 And then developing the smaller, more intimate to allow the applications to go.

00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:54.420
 But I am, it's that intriguing.

00:31:55.080 --> 00:31:58.840
 I mean, it's obvious Leighton's the relationship guy and Andy's the content guy.

00:31:58.980 --> 00:32:00.260
 Andy's thinking, hey, content's the win.

00:32:00.260 --> 00:32:04.080
 And then Leighton's thinking, hey, relationship, what about that?

00:32:04.620 --> 00:32:07.960
 And so figuring out ways to do both, maybe.

00:32:08.660 --> 00:32:13.200
 But yeah, I do think there's a lot of opportunities in gaming.

00:32:13.420 --> 00:32:17.800
 I do know that there's a lot more interest.

00:32:19.780 --> 00:32:21.640
 Andy and I, we talked about this yesterday.

00:32:22.420 --> 00:32:25.600
 It's a smaller niche than some of the other things that we had done.

00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:27.320
 So less people signed up.

00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:36.440
 However, a larger percentage of people showed up in those areas because that niche is more bought in and has more ownership.

00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:37.660
 And they're more tech savvy.

00:32:37.940 --> 00:32:40.520
 And so they're able to really run in some areas.

00:32:41.080 --> 00:32:48.540
 I would love to, you know, Mark, Lux Digital Church has been a supporter, obviously, with Andy involved.

00:32:48.800 --> 00:32:51.360
 And Bernie over at Reach, ReachCon.

00:32:51.760 --> 00:32:57.700
 And he's obviously has a history with the church digital as well and excited about some of the work he's doing with ReachCon.

00:32:58.180 --> 00:32:59.900
 I'm even thinking Blessing Boat.

00:32:59.900 --> 00:33:01.200
 I'm thinking Taco.

00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:16.480
 Like there's some of these fringe orgs around that, you know, if we can provide an opportunity to collaborate, engage, and, you know, create an ecosystem for all of these different organizations to thrive.

00:33:16.620 --> 00:33:19.080
 It might be an interesting opportunity.

00:33:19.620 --> 00:33:21.660
 We'll have to talk about it offline and figure it out.

00:33:22.260 --> 00:33:22.460
 All right.

00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:24.440
 Hey, so here's what we're going to do.

00:33:25.080 --> 00:33:29.760
 We're going to show Layton's talk right now from the conference.

00:33:29.980 --> 00:33:32.120
 Layton, I'll give you 20 seconds.

00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:33.980
 Do you want to set up an intro your own talk?

00:33:35.780 --> 00:33:37.180
 Well, I hadn't thought about doing that.

00:33:37.180 --> 00:33:46.220
 So essentially, I did training in church planting when I went to seminary and did a lot of that.

00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:52.960
 And I never ended up going into church planting because my denomination said, we don't know whether you'd be successful or not.

00:33:53.060 --> 00:33:55.360
 And their metrics all said you had to be successful.

00:33:56.180 --> 00:34:03.300
 But as I've been thinking through some of the how do you find your one, I find it sometimes difficult to start with the one.

00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:09.900
 So I wanted to start with who are you and figure out who you are, because that will help narrow you down.

00:34:10.180 --> 00:34:13.740
 Who you are is going to bring who you are to the person you need to find.

00:34:13.820 --> 00:34:22.440
 So that's where I started with the idea of trying to narrow down what is it I'm bringing to the person that will help me get closer to figuring out who the person is that I'm supposed to reach.

00:34:23.040 --> 00:34:26.380
 So never mind Saddleback Sam, who are you?

00:34:27.380 --> 00:34:29.220
 Who sings that song, Who Are You?

00:34:29.300 --> 00:34:29.760
 Who is that?

00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:30.860
 It's the Who.

00:34:31.260 --> 00:34:31.980
 Is it the Who?

00:34:32.120 --> 00:34:33.340
 The Who sings Who Are You?

00:34:33.780 --> 00:34:35.520
 From like CSI or whatever?

00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:37.260
 Yeah, it's the CSI.

00:34:37.340 --> 00:34:38.120
 But I mean, it's old.

00:34:38.180 --> 00:34:38.680
 It's old school.

00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:40.500
 It's like the Pinball Wizard era of the Who.

00:34:40.560 --> 00:34:41.960
 Who, who, who, who.

00:34:42.100 --> 00:34:42.420
 All right.

00:34:42.680 --> 00:34:43.360
 That's all I got.

00:34:43.720 --> 00:34:46.060
 I just got a copyright strike.

00:34:46.720 --> 00:34:48.260
 Let's not go too deep into this.

00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:48.520
 All right.

00:34:49.080 --> 00:34:49.620
 All right.

00:34:49.620 --> 00:34:51.980
 Hey, so here's Who Are You?

00:34:52.120 --> 00:34:53.900
 Talk by Leighton.

00:34:54.340 --> 00:34:54.980
 Check it out.

00:34:55.100 --> 00:34:55.880
 Thanks, everybody.

00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.160
 And at the end of it, I'll probably come back to wrap up.

00:34:59.340 --> 00:34:59.800
 See you in a second.

00:34:59.960 --> 00:35:05.300
 Speaking of diverse, I want to bring my friend Flatcap back up onto the stage.

00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:13.720
 Throughout this entire conference journey here at DMCon, Whitebeard, Flatcap and I have been

00:35:13.720 --> 00:35:19.100
 kind of going hammer and tongs, trying to make sure that we have stuff for you all, stuff

00:35:19.100 --> 00:35:22.100
 that actually matters in your digital missionary journey.

00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.520
 And, you know, I think a lot of people hear digital missionary and Flatcap, you can kind

00:35:25.520 --> 00:35:26.520
 of respond to this as well.

00:35:26.600 --> 00:35:30.720
 People hear digital missionaries and they go, oh, like I have to, I've got to go raise

00:35:30.720 --> 00:35:34.400
 the money and I've got to go do the thing and I've got to, like, sacrifice all my time.

00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:38.960
 I've got to go to, like, some weird off-the-wall place in the middle of some country that I

00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:39.680
 don't want to go to.

00:35:40.140 --> 00:35:44.280
 And what I think most people don't realize is that God is actually calling people right

00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:49.260
 now, just like you and I and everybody else in this room, to places on the Internet.

00:35:49.620 --> 00:35:52.000
 And Leighton is actually one of those.

00:35:52.120 --> 00:35:55.360
 Leighton, I'm sure he's going to talk a little bit about his story, but he was called to a

00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:56.500
 place on the Internet.

00:35:56.500 --> 00:36:00.280
 That place is called Twitch and Leighton has been building an audience and he has been

00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:00.660
 growing.

00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.500
 He's been doing things of the Bible on the audience, or in his own channel.

00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:09.500
 And then he pops into our TCD channels every once in a while and does a podcast and blows

00:36:09.500 --> 00:36:11.340
 the door off with these podcasts.

00:36:11.700 --> 00:36:13.780
 And so, Leighton, thanks for being here, man.

00:36:13.940 --> 00:36:18.380
 And I just, I wanted you to kind of lead into your talk a little bit.

00:36:18.560 --> 00:36:22.240
 Do me a favor and introduce kind of the document that we're going to be filling out.

00:36:22.240 --> 00:36:23.260
 I'm going to shrink away.

00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:25.500
 Ladies and gentlemen, Leighton says.

00:36:26.500 --> 00:36:30.080
 Wow, that was pretty awesome intro there.

00:36:30.240 --> 00:36:30.660
 Thanks, Andy.

00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:36.800
 Yeah, I can say Andy and I had a bunch of conversations about what we would want it to

00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:37.180
 be.

00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:43.260
 And the thing that I wanted is for you to walk away with something tangible in your hands.

00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.260
 And I don't mean that has to be a physical thing.

00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.320
 Digital documents, I'm all good with.

00:36:47.560 --> 00:36:50.460
 But you have something concrete that you're walking away with.

00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:56.280
 So if I posted it in the chat there, there's a document in Google Docs that is going to

00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:59.580
 have all of the questions that I'm going to ask.

00:36:59.620 --> 00:37:02.800
 It's going to have all the questions that the other speakers are going to ask.

00:37:02.980 --> 00:37:06.800
 Let me just actually do a screen share here a second if I can.

00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:07.980
 There we go.

00:37:08.700 --> 00:37:09.320
 Share that.

00:37:09.680 --> 00:37:11.260
 So you should be able to see that there.

00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:13.960
 So this is what the document is going to look like.

00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:15.940
 There's tabs on the bottom.

00:37:16.060 --> 00:37:17.000
 So here's the first talk.

00:37:17.140 --> 00:37:18.060
 There's a tab on the bottom.

00:37:18.180 --> 00:37:19.720
 There are my questions that are in there.

00:37:20.180 --> 00:37:22.420
 There is a way to answer this.

00:37:22.520 --> 00:37:27.400
 So I know that some of these questions you're not going to fully be able to answer right

00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:27.640
 now.

00:37:27.700 --> 00:37:29.120
 We're going to give you time to work on them.

00:37:29.140 --> 00:37:31.660
 So it's not just, hey, it's all theoretical.

00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:33.000
 Hey, it's all in your head.

00:37:33.060 --> 00:37:35.780
 You're resonating with them and you have no time to work on it.

00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:40.440
 So we will give you built in time during the conference to go and answer these questions.

00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.940
 You can't answer one question, then focus on the next one.

00:37:44.660 --> 00:37:48.960
 But today and throughout the next weeks and months as you're filling this out, that'd be

00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.320
 your initial answer as you're resolving this.

00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:57.680
 And then the thought process is come and reevaluate this in three months, six months down the road

00:37:57.680 --> 00:38:00.360
 and see, is it still the same?

00:38:00.420 --> 00:38:02.020
 A year from now, is it still the same?

00:38:02.100 --> 00:38:06.340
 Have you refined who the person is depending on the question there?

00:38:06.720 --> 00:38:08.740
 And then there's some concerns or things to resolve.

00:38:08.740 --> 00:38:13.860
 So as you're answering questions, maybe something pops up in your mind and you say, oh, I don't

00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:14.320
 know about this.

00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:16.080
 Here's my problem with trying to figure that out.

00:38:16.100 --> 00:38:17.060
 So put some thoughts in there.

00:38:17.120 --> 00:38:18.180
 And then just any speaker notes.

00:38:18.720 --> 00:38:23.960
 Like I put in notes, like if you ever see notes that I go to a conference, my wife could

00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:29.720
 never interpret them because they have absolutely nothing to do with what the speaker said.

00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:30.760
 It is what my brain does.

00:38:30.820 --> 00:38:34.940
 So any notes that you want to take, but additional thoughts would be where I'm going to put all of

00:38:34.940 --> 00:38:35.740
 my stuff probably.

00:38:35.740 --> 00:38:40.520
 So there's, there's the first talk here, then you get the tab on the bottom, you'll go to

00:38:40.520 --> 00:38:43.840
 the next tab and then the next tab and the next tab.

00:38:43.900 --> 00:38:45.220
 So that's all of your information.

00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:49.160
 One document, download it, make a copy of it, whatever you need to do.

00:38:49.240 --> 00:38:54.620
 You'll have that for the whole of today as we are sharing.

00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:57.860
 Okay, now let me figure out how to stop sharing screen.

00:38:58.680 --> 00:38:59.440
 There we go.

00:39:00.380 --> 00:39:08.940
 So just to back up a little bit on, on my story, because I didn't plan on being in Twitch.

00:39:09.100 --> 00:39:11.580
 I did not think this is what I was going to do.

00:39:11.640 --> 00:39:14.560
 I never felt like, I mean, I always love playing games.

00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.920
 We were asking what games, my most of the time game of choice is Assassin's Creed.

00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.920
 I do have Dishonored, Rise, Shadows.

00:39:24.040 --> 00:39:25.300
 So I'm an RPG player.

00:39:25.720 --> 00:39:27.260
 That's where I'm going to spend my time.

00:39:27.340 --> 00:39:27.800
 I'm just looking.

00:39:27.940 --> 00:39:33.160
 I got one, two, three, four Assassin's Creed sitting right in front of me that we could

00:39:33.160 --> 00:39:34.580
 pull out and play if you wanted to.

00:39:35.500 --> 00:39:38.220
 But I never thought that's what God was going to use me for.

00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:42.440
 And the thing that's interesting, and I put this on one of the videos trying to promo everything

00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:49.340
 was I got into drama ministry when I got into college and that's where I met my wife.

00:39:49.660 --> 00:39:53.120
 And then I thought I'm never going to do anything with this because I really didn't think I was

00:39:53.120 --> 00:39:53.520
 going to.

00:39:53.580 --> 00:39:54.740
 That's not what I was going to do.

00:39:55.260 --> 00:39:59.600
 And then years later, I was feeling God's tug on my heart to do something in ministry.

00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.280
 And I was at this conference.

00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:03.900
 I had people who prayed over me.

00:40:03.900 --> 00:40:07.840
 I got back, I picked up the bulletin, and it said, we're looking for someone to head

00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.020
 up and do our drama ministry for the church.

00:40:10.680 --> 00:40:14.540
 And I went, wow, this feels like an answer to what God's calling me to do.

00:40:14.640 --> 00:40:20.220
 But my thought was, can I actually go do something that I think is fun and God use it?

00:40:20.660 --> 00:40:22.140
 And the answer is yes.

00:40:22.820 --> 00:40:29.560
 And so that was kind of the, I call it, the rejuvenation of the dream that God gave me

00:40:29.560 --> 00:40:30.060
 as a kid.

00:40:30.060 --> 00:40:33.860
 I'm one of those weird kids that's seven years old, went around and told everyone I

00:40:33.860 --> 00:40:35.920
 was going to be a pastor when I was seven years old.

00:40:36.560 --> 00:40:39.600
 So God put that in my heart.

00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.960
 Then when I was in seminary, I thought I was going to be a church planter.

00:40:43.220 --> 00:40:44.340
 That didn't happen.

00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:46.640
 Then I served in several churches.

00:40:47.020 --> 00:40:50.940
 So along the way, I kind of see detours that keep happening.

00:40:51.020 --> 00:40:53.800
 And one of those detours happened during COVID when I was sitting home.

00:40:54.520 --> 00:41:00.100
 And a friend of mine I'd been watching or listening to, hadn't watched him yet, Pastor Brock VR,

00:41:00.660 --> 00:41:05.400
 was doing ministry in VR spaces and on Twitch.

00:41:05.460 --> 00:41:06.560
 So I started watching him.

00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:10.020
 And then I just started moving into that space.

00:41:10.080 --> 00:41:15.260
 And as I was thinking about things, one of the things that we talk about a lot in church

00:41:15.260 --> 00:41:20.240
 planting is who is the one person that God is calling you to reach.

00:41:20.300 --> 00:41:26.540
 But before we get into that, I'm going to, let me just pull up my, there we go.

00:41:28.580 --> 00:41:30.100
 Might as well put my title up here.

00:41:30.220 --> 00:41:32.280
 I mean, I worked on it so that you guys could see it.

00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:33.260
 Oh, wrong one.

00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:35.540
 There we go.

00:41:35.940 --> 00:41:37.960
 So one quest, one focus.

00:41:38.100 --> 00:41:41.440
 So when Andy and I were sitting down and saying, what should this conference be?

00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:47.600
 My thought was, I want someone to be able to guide a person who has been called to do digital

00:41:47.600 --> 00:41:49.840
 ministry, but doesn't know how or who.

00:41:50.640 --> 00:41:56.880
 And I want them to be able to walk away and be able to feel like God has definitely called

00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:57.160
 them.

00:41:57.420 --> 00:42:03.360
 And now they have some tangible things that they can focus on and be able to do in the

00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:03.780
 space.

00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:09.720
 And so I don't know how many of you played Zelda when it first came out.

00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:15.480
 I know I got Mario here on the screen, but overall, just thinking about old games, when

00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:20.220
 they came out, they didn't have multiplayer very often.

00:42:20.700 --> 00:42:22.340
 They were one player.

00:42:22.600 --> 00:42:23.600
 You played the hero.

00:42:24.260 --> 00:42:28.880
 There was the idea to rescue the princess, whether that's Zelda or Mario, you're going to go rescue

00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:29.600
 the princess.

00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:35.340
 There's obstacles to overcome, you gain power for the journey, and then you finish the game.

00:42:35.860 --> 00:42:44.360
 And I just think sometimes there are so many options that are out there that we lose focus.

00:42:44.540 --> 00:42:50.600
 I mean, I'm trying to think of what game it was, but some things have gotten so open world

00:42:50.600 --> 00:42:54.620
 that I never finished the game because I don't know what I'm doing.

00:42:54.620 --> 00:43:01.060
 I'm the person that wants to do every side quest so that I have infinite power and I go

00:43:01.060 --> 00:43:05.760
 against the level 50 characters when I'm finally level 100 and I just waltz through the game

00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:06.840
 with ease.

00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:11.700
 Well, you can't spend all your time doing side quests or you never complete the game.

00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:16.440
 You never actually go do the mission that is the purpose of the game in the first place.

00:43:16.560 --> 00:43:20.540
 We can easily get distracted by everything else that is happening.

00:43:20.540 --> 00:43:28.500
 So I want to help you be able to figure out what is your one quest, your one focus.

00:43:28.940 --> 00:43:32.460
 But I want to go in a little bit different direction than maybe you've heard before.

00:43:32.620 --> 00:43:36.420
 So I'm going to go over a couple things and then I'm going to give you time to reflect on these

00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:38.220
 in your worksheets.

00:43:38.700 --> 00:43:43.640
 And when we go to time on the worksheets, you can leave the stage area.

00:43:43.640 --> 00:43:47.920
 If you're a verbal processor like me, if you've got people that are together in a ministry that

00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:51.400
 you're together with, like there's those who are here with Lux Digital Church.

00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:56.240
 If you want to go to one chat room and hang out there and have conversations and work on

00:43:56.240 --> 00:43:57.820
 your document, that's great.

00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.200
 If you don't want to work on your document, you just want to talk it out, that's great.

00:44:00.260 --> 00:44:00.660
 I don't care.

00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.300
 I'm just trying to provide the things for you to help you be able to do this.

00:44:04.580 --> 00:44:09.080
 So what is the basic human need that you need to meet?

00:44:09.220 --> 00:44:11.600
 Now, there's different ways of talking about this.

00:44:11.600 --> 00:44:14.860
 I'm not talking about hierarchy of needs here with Mavloff.

00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:20.400
 I think it's Mavloff, but what people's basic needs are in life.

00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:22.360
 And yeah, Maslow.

00:44:22.540 --> 00:44:22.980
 Oh, there we go.

00:44:23.040 --> 00:44:23.500
 Thank you, Andy.

00:44:25.680 --> 00:44:27.340
 The basic need someone has.

00:44:27.820 --> 00:44:29.540
 Does someone have a basic need for goodness?

00:44:31.100 --> 00:44:36.080
 This is a person who looks at the world and the world is filled with evil all over the place.

00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:37.660
 They watch the news.

00:44:37.660 --> 00:44:40.880
 They're downhearted by it because it's just overwhelming.

00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:42.400
 They need to find goodness.

00:44:42.580 --> 00:44:46.760
 So if you are a person who's bringing goodness, you are going to reach that person that looks

00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.120
 at the world and all they see is bad everywhere.

00:44:49.600 --> 00:44:51.080
 They don't have goodness in their life.

00:44:51.140 --> 00:44:54.040
 Their life is filled with all kinds of tragedy or whatever it is.

00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:59.360
 Or, you know, so that's what you'll be bringing when you bring goodness.

00:45:00.020 --> 00:45:02.540
 Now, some people need to have truth brought to them.

00:45:02.820 --> 00:45:03.600
 They don't know.

00:45:03.680 --> 00:45:05.160
 There's so many voices out there.

00:45:05.160 --> 00:45:08.640
 There's the flat earthers on one side who are telling you that you need to believe this.

00:45:08.740 --> 00:45:11.840
 And there's the regular people looking at a globe and saying it's obvious.

00:45:12.020 --> 00:45:15.480
 And they really are seeking truth because it's so noisy out there.

00:45:15.540 --> 00:45:20.000
 And they need someone to speak truth to them of what's going on.

00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:21.900
 Or perhaps they need freedom.

00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:29.220
 Like they grew up in a church that was rigid and defined and you had no ability to do anything.

00:45:29.380 --> 00:45:32.280
 Everything was rules and they haven't found freedom in Christ.

00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.000
 And so what you can bring to them is freedom.

00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:36.320
 And they're longing for it.

00:45:36.340 --> 00:45:38.820
 They've been in chains of bondage to do's and don'ts.

00:45:39.220 --> 00:45:40.520
 And they need freedom.

00:45:40.560 --> 00:45:41.660
 And maybe that's what you bring.

00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:44.960
 I'm not going to go through all of these in that kind of detail.

00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:49.020
 But you begin to see how these things are, things that people need.

00:45:49.500 --> 00:45:53.620
 There's a lot of people that I run into in Twitch that need a place to belong.

00:45:55.140 --> 00:45:57.040
 Yeah, felt needs versus real needs.

00:45:57.240 --> 00:45:58.360
 Exactly, exactly.

00:45:58.500 --> 00:46:00.500
 And it can be both a felt and a real need.

00:46:00.620 --> 00:46:02.200
 So they need a place to belong.

00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:05.720
 A lot of people need a place to belong.

00:46:06.380 --> 00:46:08.280
 Hope is another thing that people need.

00:46:08.560 --> 00:46:10.140
 Life at times can feel hopeless.

00:46:10.660 --> 00:46:13.000
 They don't know that tomorrow is going to be better than today.

00:46:13.540 --> 00:46:17.560
 So I want to, like I'm tipping my hand here.

00:46:17.940 --> 00:46:20.040
 Hope is one of the things.

00:46:20.180 --> 00:46:22.000
 And I have a buddy that's down the road.

00:46:22.040 --> 00:46:23.380
 I met at a conference, which is funny.

00:46:23.460 --> 00:46:26.200
 I went to Orlando to meet somebody that's a half an hour away from me.

00:46:26.600 --> 00:46:29.300
 He lives in our city and he calls himself a hope dealer.

00:46:29.700 --> 00:46:32.600
 That is what his mission is, is to bring hope to people.

00:46:33.300 --> 00:46:34.720
 Some people need confidence.

00:46:35.100 --> 00:46:40.840
 They don't believe that what they have to say is valuable and they need other people to believe in them and to come behind them.

00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:42.280
 Connection.

00:46:42.620 --> 00:46:47.260
 I mean, online, people are looking for connection all over the place.

00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.920
 They're looking for a place that will accept them.

00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:55.460
 And this isn't saying accept them for their doing sin and they want people to, you know, say it's okay.

00:46:55.560 --> 00:46:59.900
 Like, hey, I'm having an affair with my wife and I need to find people who agree with me that that's a cool thing to do.

00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:00.920
 No, no, not that kind of thing.

00:47:01.300 --> 00:47:05.280
 That, hey, like me, I'm a little weird.

00:47:05.740 --> 00:47:07.740
 I got hats and I got fish.

00:47:08.680 --> 00:47:10.300
 And that's who I am.

00:47:10.860 --> 00:47:11.820
 You need to know that.

00:47:11.940 --> 00:47:13.180
 And I'm not changing that.

00:47:13.340 --> 00:47:16.900
 But I want you to accept me because I wear all these hats all the time.

00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:18.040
 And I have a few of them.

00:47:18.040 --> 00:47:21.320
 So it's about, I'm not trying to change you.

00:47:21.640 --> 00:47:24.420
 I am going to embrace you for who you are.

00:47:25.220 --> 00:47:29.000
 Joy, a lot of people do not have things to celebrate in their life.

00:47:29.060 --> 00:47:31.140
 Can you bring them something to be able to celebrate?

00:47:32.020 --> 00:47:32.460
 Support.

00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:34.860
 This can actually be physical support.

00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:36.080
 It can be financial support.

00:47:36.160 --> 00:47:37.300
 It can be emotional support.

00:47:37.420 --> 00:47:38.660
 What is it that somebody needs?

00:47:39.180 --> 00:47:41.820
 And how can you bring that to them?

00:47:42.600 --> 00:47:43.040
 Significance.

00:47:43.160 --> 00:47:45.040
 A lot of people have no place where they're significant.

00:47:45.200 --> 00:47:46.580
 They feel like they are a nobody.

00:47:46.580 --> 00:47:50.620
 And when they find a place that they can contribute, they can find significance.

00:47:51.160 --> 00:47:52.240
 And some people need revelation.

00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:55.940
 They need someone to speak into them and to bring something new.

00:47:56.060 --> 00:48:00.440
 So my question is, what basic human need do you meet?

00:48:01.200 --> 00:48:05.440
 So I am going to bring a certain approach to things.

00:48:05.680 --> 00:48:10.660
 So rather than trying to figure out who I'm going to reach first, I want you to think about

00:48:10.660 --> 00:48:16.860
 who it is that you are going to be reaching.

00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:20.000
 So I am seeing a few people typing in the chat.

00:48:20.040 --> 00:48:24.580
 Make sure you make a copy of this for yourself so that you can fully access that.

00:48:24.620 --> 00:48:29.340
 And we won't be all sharing the same one when you open that up or download it.

00:48:29.380 --> 00:48:30.900
 And then you'll have it for yourself.

00:48:34.740 --> 00:48:37.280
 You can go in and identify with one of those.

00:48:37.300 --> 00:48:38.240
 And I would say two.

00:48:38.520 --> 00:48:39.760
 There's probably top two.

00:48:39.860 --> 00:48:43.340
 Actually, as I think about it, what I do on stream is two things.

00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.460
 And what I do in Discord is two different things.

00:48:46.520 --> 00:48:47.280
 But that's okay.

00:48:47.380 --> 00:48:50.780
 So what I'm bringing to people that they find first and then the needs I'm meeting later.

00:48:50.780 --> 00:48:51.880
 So think about those.

00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.780
 And you'll have more time to look at that in just a little bit.

00:48:57.520 --> 00:49:01.460
 Now, this is connected off of crew.

00:49:01.700 --> 00:49:04.660
 And we'll talk about crew later on of their audience map.

00:49:05.180 --> 00:49:08.380
 And so I want to unpack this in a different way than they're using it.

00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:12.260
 But I might feel called to a certain group of people.

00:49:12.620 --> 00:49:19.260
 And I'm comfortable addressing people who are going to be in a relationship with Jesus in one of these spaces.

00:49:19.700 --> 00:49:21.720
 So maybe they're hostile to the gospel.

00:49:22.340 --> 00:49:23.680
 You know, the trolls that are showing up.

00:49:23.680 --> 00:49:30.000
 Maybe you feel good and able to be an evangelist and confront people that are going to argue with you.

00:49:30.080 --> 00:49:31.460
 That are going to say things about Jesus.

00:49:31.560 --> 00:49:32.440
 Maybe that's where you are.

00:49:32.520 --> 00:49:33.440
 So is that where you are?

00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:35.580
 You're able to go to hostile people?

00:49:35.700 --> 00:49:38.300
 Then that's going to help you figure out those things.

00:49:39.460 --> 00:49:41.740
 Are you going to people who are uninterested?

00:49:42.420 --> 00:49:45.040
 It's a little bit harder to get people who are uninterested.

00:49:45.200 --> 00:49:48.760
 So, for instance, you're just playing an FPS game.

00:49:49.020 --> 00:49:50.140
 You're shooting some people.

00:49:50.180 --> 00:49:53.980
 And then you're saying, hey, I know you probably didn't come here to talk about Jesus.

00:49:54.060 --> 00:49:55.540
 But let me tell you about my Jesus.

00:49:56.060 --> 00:49:57.720
 Maybe that's the group that you're called to.

00:49:57.780 --> 00:49:59.060
 Some people that are uninterested.

00:49:59.700 --> 00:50:01.620
 And believe it or not, there are people that are unaware.

00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:02.920
 They just have no idea.

00:50:03.180 --> 00:50:03.760
 I mean, they know.

00:50:04.020 --> 00:50:04.920
 They've heard about Jesus.

00:50:05.140 --> 00:50:06.080
 They've never studied him.

00:50:06.200 --> 00:50:09.300
 They live in a country where maybe they didn't grow up around Christians.

00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:10.500
 They just don't have any idea.

00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:12.240
 And they're completely unaware.

00:50:13.080 --> 00:50:17.880
 So, in this relationship with Jesus, where are the people that you want to reach?

00:50:18.020 --> 00:50:18.700
 Are they open?

00:50:19.240 --> 00:50:20.220
 They're open to the gospel.

00:50:20.340 --> 00:50:22.340
 They just haven't had anyone tell them about it.

00:50:22.740 --> 00:50:23.060
 Dual?

00:50:23.240 --> 00:50:26.220
 This would be, well, I know about Jesus, but I also have another religion.

00:50:26.420 --> 00:50:28.800
 And I'm just trying to put every piece together that I can.

00:50:28.900 --> 00:50:31.900
 So, I'm going to put anything together that works.

00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:33.380
 Or maybe they're unclear.

00:50:34.040 --> 00:50:36.600
 They watch the different people on television.

00:50:37.120 --> 00:50:38.600
 And they hear different things.

00:50:38.780 --> 00:50:43.700
 And they don't understand the difference between a Catholic, a Baptist, a Methodist, a Mormon.

00:50:44.060 --> 00:50:44.900
 And they just have no idea.

00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:46.160
 They just, all these people saying Jesus.

00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:47.940
 But I don't really understand anything about it.

00:50:49.200 --> 00:50:51.480
 And some of us might be looking for those people that are seekers.

00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:52.840
 They're out there.

00:50:52.940 --> 00:50:54.500
 They're looking for Jesus.

00:50:54.700 --> 00:50:56.100
 They want to know more about him.

00:50:56.580 --> 00:51:00.600
 And so, they're already going towards Jesus.

00:51:02.120 --> 00:51:05.680
 Or maybe you're called to people who are already professing Jesus.

00:51:05.900 --> 00:51:09.320
 So, maybe at some point in their life, they said the sinner's prayer.

00:51:09.420 --> 00:51:10.480
 Or they grew up in church.

00:51:10.540 --> 00:51:11.440
 They know about Jesus.

00:51:11.540 --> 00:51:12.420
 They have a relationship.

00:51:12.680 --> 00:51:13.800
 And they have no activity.

00:51:14.540 --> 00:51:16.000
 So, they might be professing.

00:51:16.060 --> 00:51:19.160
 Maybe they are the ones that go to Christmas and Easter service.

00:51:19.740 --> 00:51:20.920
 But they're not doing more.

00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.360
 Maybe you're called to those.

00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:24.500
 Or maybe you're called to someone who's growing.

00:51:25.160 --> 00:51:26.480
 They're already on the path.

00:51:26.580 --> 00:51:29.820
 They just need a mentor to come alongside and disciple them.

00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:32.460
 Maybe somebody's grounded in the Word.

00:51:32.560 --> 00:51:33.620
 But they're not growing.

00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:34.700
 They're far away.

00:51:35.060 --> 00:51:35.980
 They're established.

00:51:36.300 --> 00:51:37.660
 But they don't know what to do.

00:51:38.420 --> 00:51:39.720
 Or maybe they're fully engaged.

00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.460
 I mean, maybe you're called to the people that are already fully engaged.

00:51:42.460 --> 00:51:45.420
 So, you would be called to take a discipleship group.

00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:48.260
 And help them be able to move into leadership in some way.

00:51:48.720 --> 00:51:51.160
 And then there's those who are called to multiply other people.

00:51:51.260 --> 00:51:57.540
 So, it's taking Christians, helping them go to the next level of something that they are going to be working on and doing.

00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:01.700
 So, my question is for you to figure out these two things.

00:52:01.740 --> 00:52:03.460
 Because I want to start with you first.

00:52:03.980 --> 00:52:07.740
 One of the things that I always struggle with, I'm trying to find that person out there to start with.

00:52:07.940 --> 00:52:10.460
 My Saddleback Sam, if you know what that reference is.

00:52:10.520 --> 00:52:14.600
 Saddleback Church did everything based on one person that they identified.

00:52:15.120 --> 00:52:18.440
 But I think you have to figure out who you are first.

00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:21.960
 So, are you interested in people that have no relationship with Jesus?

00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:25.860
 Are you interested in people that already have a relationship with Jesus?

00:52:26.100 --> 00:52:29.720
 Are you interested with people that are wherever they are?

00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:34.220
 And then the other one was the what basic need do you have?

00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.260
 So, I'm going to stay here.

00:52:36.500 --> 00:52:39.100
 But I'm going to invite all of you to go take...

00:52:39.100 --> 00:52:40.860
 How much time do we have, Andy?

00:52:41.040 --> 00:52:42.140
 Five, ten minutes?

00:52:44.980 --> 00:52:48.140
 Let's go take five minutes.

00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:49.900
 You can go jump into another chat.

00:52:50.700 --> 00:52:56.540
 And you can go over to any one of the other voice channels that's open if you want to chat with other people.

00:52:56.680 --> 00:53:02.160
 Otherwise, just spend some time in reflection thinking about what those are.

00:53:02.240 --> 00:53:03.660
 Yeah, Andy, thanks for posting that again.

00:53:04.040 --> 00:53:05.400
 So, start filling it out.

00:53:05.500 --> 00:53:06.300
 Answering those questions.

00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:07.820
 What basic human need do you meet?

00:53:08.080 --> 00:53:11.580
 And what relationship with Jesus do you want to reach?

00:53:11.580 --> 00:53:14.580
 And if you have questions, you want to stay here, you can post those in the chat.

00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:20.300
 If you go off to the other ones, we will meet back here at 11.35.

00:53:20.680 --> 00:53:22.060
 So, be back here at 11.35.

00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:26.580
 I'll stay here and I'll just answer any questions you have in the chat.

00:53:41.580 --> 00:53:43.680
 So, be back here at 11.35.

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 All right, seeing some really good stuff in the chat.

00:59:48.740 --> 00:59:53.780
 Hope that was enough time to think through some of it and some really good questions around

00:59:53.780 --> 00:59:54.780
 things.

00:59:54.780 --> 00:59:58.840
 So, one of them was, "How do I know who it is that I might be called to?"

00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:00.400
 Well, let me just ask this.

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 "If I have an engagement with someone who's a troll who comes in and they're hostile in

01:00:05.700 --> 01:00:11.260
 my stream or someone else's stream, do I get excited about the ability to have a conversation

01:00:11.260 --> 01:00:12.500
 about Jesus with them?

01:00:12.500 --> 01:00:13.500
 To engage them?

01:00:13.500 --> 01:00:18.440
 To bring them from a point of hostility to neutrality, if you will?

01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:20.700
 Then that might be the person you're called to."

01:00:20.700 --> 01:00:22.480
 So, it's kind of like that.

01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:26.480
 "Oh, I get really excited when this kind of a person shows up, someone of another faith

01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:28.540
 who's uninterested in Christianity.

01:00:28.540 --> 01:00:32.480
 Do I get excited when somebody is open, when they come in and they're like, 'Hey, I like

01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:33.480
 what you're doing.

01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:34.480
 You said something about Jesus.

01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:40.580
 I'd like to know more,' or someone who is already professing faith but they're not active.

01:00:40.580 --> 01:00:43.940
 Like, "Yeah, I'm a Christian, but can you really define what that is?"

01:00:43.940 --> 01:00:50.820
 So, it's somewhat, I think, you get excited about working with that person, talking with

01:00:50.820 --> 01:00:52.980
 that person is going to be part of it.

01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:58.800
 There is also some ways where God may call you to people that you don't get excited about.

01:00:58.800 --> 01:00:59.940
 He might put you in places.

01:00:59.940 --> 01:01:05.720
 So, it's not that you only reach one person, but it's like, 'Here's where I'm going

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 to be engaging or spending my time,' because God keeps bringing that kind of person in front

01:01:11.340 --> 01:01:16.000
 of me, and then I enjoy that, so I'm going to be, keep doing that."

01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:21.860
 Dr. Heal said, "It sort of goes beyond what relationship with Jesus do I want to reach,

01:01:21.860 --> 01:01:24.500
 and what relationship do I feel God is calling me to reach?"

01:01:24.500 --> 01:01:25.500
 Yeah.

01:01:25.500 --> 01:01:31.280
 Dr. Heal said, "I feel those go both hand-in-hand, that I may be called to it, and I may also

01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:32.600
 enjoy that as well."

01:01:32.600 --> 01:01:37.320
 Dr. Heal said, "Like it or not, I really feel God is calling me into a space where there

01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.880
 will definitely be a bit more hostility and uninterested, unclear."

01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:41.880
 Yes.

01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:46.280
 And I think going into digital spaces is definitely one of those places that's going to do that.

01:01:46.280 --> 01:02:00.400
 Dr. Heal said, "Oh, let's see if there's anything else," and again, I'm trying to just

01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:05.260
 help you figure this out, and you can totally say, "This doesn't work for you, this piece

01:02:05.260 --> 01:02:07.000
 doesn't work."

01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:12.940
 Maybe the part on finding the basic human need resonates with you more of, "I'm going to focus

01:02:12.940 --> 01:02:17.220
 on goodness, that's what I bring, I'm going to focus on belonging, that's the people I'm

01:02:17.220 --> 01:02:18.220
 going to."

01:02:18.220 --> 01:02:22.320
 So, one of these might be the primary, one of these might be the secondary, but hopefully

01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:30.220
 it's helping you to narrow into one specific person that you're going to reach.

01:02:30.220 --> 01:02:36.060
 I've focused in on one specific style of hat that I'm going to wear.

01:02:36.060 --> 01:02:37.060
 Hats are great.

01:02:37.060 --> 01:02:38.060
 I've always loved hats.

01:02:38.060 --> 01:02:43.460
 What's really weird is, I've tried to figure out why I've always loved hats, and this might

01:02:43.460 --> 01:02:49.300
 sound strange, but I have a vivid memory of a first funeral I went to.

01:02:49.300 --> 01:02:55.680
 One of my great uncles is in the casket, and he has a painter's cap on that is white with

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 red polka dots, and that's what he always wore.

01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:01.380
 And I thought that was the coolest thing.

01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:06.480
 So, you know, I strived to try to find the style and the hat that I liked the most and

01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:11.500
 made the most connection with, and now that is what I focus on.

01:03:11.500 --> 01:03:18.040
 I wear other hats, but they don't fit exactly the same way as everything else that I'm going

01:03:18.040 --> 01:03:19.040
 to do.

01:03:19.040 --> 01:03:23.360
 So, that's what some of these things are going to be about, and maybe they resonate more with

01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:31.080
 you, and maybe others don't, but one of the other things that you want to find is the one

01:03:31.080 --> 01:03:38.500
 person you're reaching, because if I'm trying to play 45 different games, play a different

01:03:38.500 --> 01:03:44.160
 game every day of the month, and then throw some extras in there on top, I'm probably not

01:03:44.160 --> 01:03:47.440
 going to reach a lot of people, because nobody knows what I'm going to be doing.

01:03:47.900 --> 01:03:51.600
 So, I want to be as specific as I can.

01:03:51.720 --> 01:03:54.240
 Here's where I struggle, is trying to narrow that down.

01:03:54.520 --> 01:03:55.480
 What is the age?

01:03:55.520 --> 01:03:57.500
 So, this is what Saddleback Sam was.

01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:04.980
 Saddleback Sam was between 30s and 40s, college educated, lived in the suburbs, worked in tech

01:04:04.980 --> 01:04:15.620
 or business, busy, driven, and success oriented, overscheduled, stressed, skeptical of organized

01:04:15.620 --> 01:04:22.180
 religion, spiritually curious, but unchurched, wanted practical answers to life's problem,

01:04:22.480 --> 01:04:24.320
 not religious tradition.

01:04:24.540 --> 01:04:25.600
 Oh, someone found a hat.

01:04:25.620 --> 01:04:26.920
 Actually, it would be the opposite.

01:04:27.100 --> 01:04:30.020
 It would be red polka dots, not white, but I love that image.

01:04:30.120 --> 01:04:30.740
 That's so cool.

01:04:32.720 --> 01:04:37.200
 Re-reaching max capacity might make stage limit 50 to 75.

01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:38.020
 You don't know if it's adjustable.

01:04:38.220 --> 01:04:38.460
 Yeah.

01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:39.260
 I don't know.

01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:40.360
 We'll have to figure that out.

01:04:40.460 --> 01:04:42.220
 Andy, you'll be up for that.

01:04:43.780 --> 01:04:44.220
 Hmm.

01:04:45.020 --> 01:04:46.860
 It'll automatically adjust up to 1,000.

01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:47.580
 Super cool.

01:04:47.660 --> 01:04:48.160
 Didn't know that.

01:04:48.660 --> 01:04:48.820
 All right.

01:04:48.860 --> 01:04:49.760
 So, this is what they did.

01:04:50.340 --> 01:04:56.300
 Now, the more specific you can get, the easier it is when you're going to stream and make a

01:04:56.300 --> 01:05:01.580
 decision to say, hey, or if you're doing something else, if it's not gaming, but we're mostly

01:05:01.580 --> 01:05:04.500
 talking about gaming here, but it can be applied to other places.

01:05:05.640 --> 01:05:10.100
 Is this person going to be a stay-at-home dad that I'm trying to reach?

01:05:10.100 --> 01:05:13.160
 Is this person going to be a gamer girl that I'm trying to reach?

01:05:13.300 --> 01:05:15.580
 Is this person, what age are they going to be?

01:05:15.700 --> 01:05:19.640
 So, one of the things to answer are those demographic questions.

01:05:20.500 --> 01:05:26.240
 And I will give you copies of these slides so you can have all of them, but you know what

01:05:26.240 --> 01:05:27.140
 demographics are.

01:05:27.380 --> 01:05:32.940
 So, I don't have all of these listed in the document, but how old is your ideal viewer?

01:05:33.660 --> 01:05:34.680
 What is their gender?

01:05:35.300 --> 01:05:36.460
 Where do they live?

01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:38.000
 And it could be country.

01:05:38.160 --> 01:05:38.840
 It could be city.

01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:39.560
 It could be suburb.

01:05:39.620 --> 01:05:40.200
 It could be rural.

01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:41.200
 Maybe you know specifically.

01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:43.420
 Maybe you're just more broad to start with.

01:05:43.520 --> 01:05:47.040
 And as you can keep refining it and getting more narrow, it's better.

01:05:47.120 --> 01:05:48.060
 Oh, North Hill Live.

01:05:48.140 --> 01:05:48.480
 Exactly.

01:05:48.640 --> 01:05:48.980
 Language.

01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:51.560
 What is their level of education?

01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:52.980
 What is their income range?

01:05:53.060 --> 01:05:54.500
 What is their profession or job?

01:05:54.780 --> 01:05:56.620
 Are they single, married, or have kids?

01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:01.540
 So, those are all going to be things that you can solve.

01:06:01.600 --> 01:06:04.100
 Now, maybe as you're going and answering these, you don't know all of them.

01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:08.980
 But answer the ones that you can when we give you time to go and answer your demographic

01:06:08.980 --> 01:06:12.740
 questions and just start with ones that you're going to know.

01:06:13.260 --> 01:06:15.260
 And then some psychological questions.

01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:17.560
 What do they believe about the world?

01:06:18.020 --> 01:06:19.360
 What do they believe about themselves?

01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:21.280
 Do they believe the world is getting better?

01:06:21.380 --> 01:06:23.400
 Do they believe the world is terrible?

01:06:23.940 --> 01:06:25.220
 What do they believe about themselves?

01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:28.140
 Are they always self-conscious?

01:06:28.500 --> 01:06:29.320
 Are they confident?

01:06:29.500 --> 01:06:33.260
 What are the things that they are going to have in mind?

01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:39.400
 So, I'm going to ask you, how does income affect how you talk to people?

01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:47.800
 If I'm talking to someone who is struggling paycheck to paycheck or unemployed,

01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:53.860
 what I might bring to them and how I approach them might be different than if I'm called to reach

01:06:53.860 --> 01:06:55.960
 somebody that has five cars in their garage.

01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:58.520
 So, I might be talking to them differently.

01:06:58.940 --> 01:07:04.080
 The person who has five cars in their garage may have strived after, been really successful,

01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:08.960
 but have no hope because everything seems fleeting and they're going to leave everything that

01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:12.960
 they have to some incompetent kids and they just think this is worthless.

01:07:13.100 --> 01:07:18.860
 I strived all of my life to do this and now, you know, it doesn't make any difference.

01:07:19.080 --> 01:07:24.480
 Whereas someone who is struggling paycheck to paycheck might be coming from a place of the world is against me.

01:07:25.020 --> 01:07:27.280
 No matter what I do, I can't ever get ahead.

01:07:27.700 --> 01:07:29.640
 Why does God seem to be against me?

01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:38.220
 So, maybe not specific income level, but stage of how they're doing things might make a difference to who you're called to

01:07:38.220 --> 01:07:39.420
 and how you would approach them.

01:07:39.460 --> 01:07:40.180
 So, great question.

01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:46.000
 Yeah, if you're playing the latest and greatest game all the time, you probably won't reach someone with low income

01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:47.800
 who's still playing retro stuff.

01:07:47.900 --> 01:07:48.040
 Yeah.

01:07:48.600 --> 01:07:49.640
 And I appreciate the questions.

01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:55.020
 And as I'm able to, I'll stop and answer those because those are more vital than me getting through my stuff.

01:07:55.120 --> 01:07:55.860
 That's what I believe.

01:07:56.140 --> 01:08:01.560
 Your questions are more vital to you than for me to just be able to go to my next slide.

01:08:02.340 --> 01:08:04.720
 So, what do people do spending their free time?

01:08:05.200 --> 01:08:09.200
 Most of us are probably going to be putting gaming on here, but maybe you're trying to reach a specific group

01:08:09.200 --> 01:08:11.840
 that also has another thing that you love to do.

01:08:12.060 --> 01:08:13.220
 Like, I love cycling.

01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:16.400
 So, I've started cycling and streaming my cycling.

01:08:16.540 --> 01:08:20.100
 So, maybe that's part of what I'm going to do is reach people that love doing that.

01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:23.740
 What social media platforms or websites do they do most?

01:08:24.240 --> 01:08:28.140
 A lot of us are here on Twitch, but maybe you're reaching people that are going over to Kick

01:08:28.140 --> 01:08:33.220
 or they're another place or they just watch YouTube videos of good content.

01:08:33.360 --> 01:08:34.520
 So, maybe that's where they are.

01:08:35.700 --> 01:08:37.760
 What brands do they love and why?

01:08:39.200 --> 01:08:43.300
 Like, maybe they're Xbox, maybe they're PlayStation, maybe they're Nintendo.

01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:44.580
 Why is that?

01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:45.400
 Where is their loyalty?

01:08:45.620 --> 01:08:47.920
 How does that make a difference of you reaching them?

01:08:48.260 --> 01:08:49.480
 And how do they make decisions?

01:08:49.580 --> 01:08:50.460
 Do they use logic?

01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:51.780
 Do they use emotion?

01:08:52.160 --> 01:08:52.980
 Are they impulsive?

01:08:53.400 --> 01:08:55.680
 Now, you might not be able to answer all of these questions.

01:08:55.680 --> 01:09:01.380
 I'm just giving you a variety of ways to be able to address how do you think through.

01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:03.800
 I know I'm called to reach that person.

01:09:07.460 --> 01:09:11.520
 Asking questions that affect how a Tier 2 question might be answered.

01:09:11.660 --> 01:09:14.960
 This approach affects how you might define a missing successful interaction.

01:09:15.060 --> 01:09:15.880
 Absolutely, Hector.

01:09:16.360 --> 01:09:16.700
 Yes.

01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:22.980
 Yeah, I think the other thing is what genre do you play?

01:09:23.060 --> 01:09:24.440
 Yeah, are you FPS or RPG?

01:09:24.440 --> 01:09:25.500
 I absolutely think.

01:09:25.580 --> 01:09:26.380
 Or Retro Gamer.

01:09:26.820 --> 01:09:27.220
 Yes.

01:09:31.480 --> 01:09:32.140
 All right.

01:09:32.740 --> 01:09:33.640
 Pain points.

01:09:34.120 --> 01:09:37.220
 What are the challenges or the pains that someone has in their life?

01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:38.940
 What keeps them up at night?

01:09:39.740 --> 01:09:42.160
 You know, is it going back to the person with finances?

01:09:42.400 --> 01:09:43.820
 Or is it finding meaning in life?

01:09:44.140 --> 01:09:45.160
 Is it their kids?

01:09:45.500 --> 01:09:46.660
 Is it work?

01:09:46.780 --> 01:09:47.940
 Is it marriage?

01:09:48.140 --> 01:09:48.820
 Where is it?

01:09:48.860 --> 01:09:49.760
 What are their pain points?

01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:52.760
 What problems are they actively trying to solve?

01:09:52.760 --> 01:10:01.960
 And if you can help solve that, for instance, if you are in a community and people are coming in that are trying to solve problems with raising their kids,

01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:21.220
 And you're able to do a community thing around helping out kids and having a watch party with kids in your Discord or in some other community, you're addressing a felt need that they might be having.

01:10:22.280 --> 01:10:24.500
 What are they trying already that hasn't worked?

01:10:25.060 --> 01:10:28.100
 What do they complain about most often in this area?

01:10:28.180 --> 01:10:33.000
 So it might be the person comes into your stream regularly and they always bring up the same topic.

01:10:33.100 --> 01:10:34.260
 I'm always struggling with health.

01:10:34.340 --> 01:10:35.440
 I'm always struggling with health.

01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:37.060
 Or my mom's always struggling with health.

01:10:37.160 --> 01:10:39.440
 Or I'm always getting bullied at school.

01:10:39.580 --> 01:10:43.780
 Whatever it is that they're doing, how can you help them with those pain points?

01:10:44.320 --> 01:10:46.780
 What fears or insecurities might be holding them back?

01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:48.300
 All different ways of asking that.

01:10:48.360 --> 01:10:49.680
 You might not be able to answer all these.

01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:54.020
 It's just different ways to try to answer those questions of getting you closer to knowing,

01:10:54.380 --> 01:10:57.540
 Ah, here's the kind of person that I'm going to run into.

01:10:57.540 --> 01:11:03.640
 Also, don't think that if I narrow it down to one person, that means I'll only reach one person.

01:11:04.540 --> 01:11:11.900
 The narrower you get, you actually end up reaching more people who resonate with what you are trying to do for that one person.

01:11:13.660 --> 01:11:22.900
 Yes, also what platform meeting on social VR, for example, and very different watching Let's Plays while doing stuff.

01:11:22.900 --> 01:11:23.900
 Yeah, absolutely.

01:11:24.120 --> 01:11:28.440
 If you are in VR, that is another place to be able to bring in platforms to all of that.

01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:29.800
 Health is huge.

01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:30.640
 Money, depression.

01:11:30.860 --> 01:11:31.120
 Yes.

01:11:35.460 --> 01:11:38.400
 How do you stay away from people becoming projects?

01:11:38.780 --> 01:11:40.580
 Ooh, that's an interesting question.

01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:49.680
 In some ways, there is a piece at which you need to have healthy boundaries in ministry altogether.

01:11:50.240 --> 01:11:59.600
 So, for me as a pastor, when I am in person, I may have my phone available at all hours of the day.

01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:07.060
 If someone is regularly calling me only when I'm in bed at night or only at other times,

01:12:07.060 --> 01:12:11.100
 then I might need to have a conversation with them about this wasn't an emergency.

01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:13.720
 Middle of the night really is only for emergencies.

01:12:14.360 --> 01:12:21.400
 So, I think in some of those ways, if someone is becoming a project, that can even be an okay thing if they are.

01:12:22.280 --> 01:12:30.500
 One of the things we often had in one place that I live is we would have people that would come in every single year and ask for assistance.

01:12:30.500 --> 01:12:35.140
 And we knew in 12 months, we would see them coming back and asking for assistance.

01:12:35.140 --> 01:12:38.740
 And we had to be okay with that to say, this person is where they are.

01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:42.160
 We're going to meet them wherever they are for as long as we can.

01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:50.840
 But one of the other things, and this would go to recovery ministry and compassion fatigue on some level.

01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:53.340
 So, that's stuff that we covered on another conference.

01:12:53.440 --> 01:13:04.920
 But I do want to address that in some ways is you need to have boundaries around yourself and your community so that someone does not take too much away from you.

01:13:05.040 --> 01:13:07.320
 So, I don't know if that makes sense, if that's answering your question.

01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:15.640
 But I think it's okay for someone to be a project on some level as long as you didn't seek them out to say, I'm going to fix them.

01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:27.920
 When someone comes to you with needs and you keep trying to help their needs, if it's too much for you, bring in other people, bring in the community, hand them off to someone else, refer them beyond.

01:13:28.060 --> 01:13:33.300
 So, for instance, if I had someone that came in for marriage counseling, I'd usually meet with a couple three times.

01:13:33.400 --> 01:13:35.380
 I might meet with him or her three times.

01:13:35.500 --> 01:13:42.560
 After that, you need to go and have someone who has more skills and more level than I do to deal with it.

01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:48.100
 So, when someone becomes a project, it's an assessment of, is this a person that's just supposed to hang out with me?

01:13:48.280 --> 01:13:55.780
 And it's going to be this ongoing, I'm going to minister to them for a long time or they have needs beyond what I can do and I can pass them on.

01:13:57.500 --> 01:14:00.300
 Yeah, definitely need to have the Holy Spirit.

01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:00.880
 Absolutely.

01:14:02.260 --> 01:14:04.580
 Just catching up on if there's anything in chat.

01:14:09.700 --> 01:14:10.900
 Yeah, yeah, in Discord.

01:14:10.900 --> 01:14:18.840
 Well, that's another thing I do, for instance, too, is if someone's in the middle of a crisis, I will let them know you can DM me at any time.

01:14:19.120 --> 01:14:23.160
 However, I won't see the DM until I wake up in the morning my time.

01:14:23.580 --> 01:14:25.060
 So, don't feel I'm ignoring you.

01:14:25.220 --> 01:14:26.460
 Don't feel I'm putting you aside.

01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:30.500
 Those are the boundaries that I've had is I'm not going to check my messages while I'm sleeping.

01:14:31.820 --> 01:14:36.720
 I'm going to be available for you as soon as I'm awake and I will respond as soon as I see your message.

01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:48.720
 So, there's where I've put some of those boundaries and when you get global, some of that needs to be the case because for them, three in the afternoon might be three in the morning for you and they're just thinking about it and they don't want to spend the next six hours saying,

01:14:49.180 --> 01:14:51.420
 Why haven't you called me or messaged back?

01:14:51.780 --> 01:14:56.040
 So, having some of those things are a good way to be able to be thinking about that.

01:14:56.100 --> 01:14:57.860
 And several people talking about the Holy Spirit.

01:14:58.020 --> 01:15:03.680
 Absolutely, in all of this, the Holy Spirit is absolutely a part of it.

01:15:04.160 --> 01:15:08.680
 Now, maybe you have people that you're going to reach that pain points isn't the main thing for you.

01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:10.160
 Maybe it's goals and aspirations.

01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:12.600
 What is their ultimate dream or goal?

01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:18.260
 Maybe their dream is to be a full-time streamer and you are going to reach people that that's their goal.

01:15:19.060 --> 01:15:24.180
 Maybe it's somewhat or what outcome would make them feel successful.

01:15:24.180 --> 01:15:29.280
 Maybe they're going to college and you're going to help them or you're going to be walking alongside of them as they do that.

01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:35.980
 Or maybe it's their parenting and what they'd really like is a better relationship with their ex or something along those lines

01:15:35.980 --> 01:15:42.540
 and how to parent, co-parent when you're not in a same household with the person who's the other parent.

01:15:43.220 --> 01:15:45.740
 So, it could be any kind of these things that you would think of.

01:15:46.160 --> 01:15:49.300
 And what would they want to achieve in one to five years from now?

01:15:49.420 --> 01:15:51.280
 Or who do they admire and look up to?

01:15:52.080 --> 01:15:55.180
 So, there's a ton of different ways to approach this.

01:15:55.180 --> 01:15:59.960
 You can go demographics, you can go psychological, you can go pain points or challenges,

01:15:59.960 --> 01:16:05.500
 and you can go goals or aspirations to be able to reach people.

01:16:05.700 --> 01:16:13.540
 So, I'm going to give you just five minutes if you want time to go and fill out those questions while you're thinking about it,

01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:15.900
 while you still have fresh in your mind.

01:16:16.200 --> 01:16:20.140
 And then if there's any questions after that, we'll answer those.

01:16:20.540 --> 01:16:21.780
 So, you know what?

01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:22.520
 Actually, I'm going to cut a little short.

01:16:22.580 --> 01:16:23.560
 How about we come back?

01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:24.440
 I'll give you three minutes.

01:16:24.740 --> 01:16:25.480
 I told you five.

01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:26.080
 I'll give you three.

01:16:26.180 --> 01:16:27.400
 I know you won't get through all of them.

01:16:28.360 --> 01:16:30.740
 Let's come back at 11.55.

01:16:31.340 --> 01:16:32.660
 I'll stay here if you want to go.

01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:36.800
 Like I said, you're free to join in another room and hang out and answer those.

01:16:36.860 --> 01:16:39.420
 And if you have questions, just type those in chat.

01:16:39.420 --> 01:16:52.580
 And if you want to go to the next one, you're free to join in another room and try to join in another room and try to join in another room.

01:16:52.580 --> 01:16:55.220
 And if you want to go to the next room, you'll be able to join in another room and try to join in another room.

01:16:55.220 --> 01:16:57.460
 And if you want to join in another room and try to join in another room and try to join in another room.

01:16:57.460 --> 01:16:59.300
 And if you want to join in another room and try to join in another room and try to join in another room.

01:16:59.300 --> 01:17:01.140
 And if you want to join in another room and try to join in another room and try to join in another room and try to join in another room.

01:17:01.140 --> 01:17:03.180
 And if you want to join in another room and try to join in another room and try to join in another room.

01:17:03.180 --> 01:17:04.820
 And if you want to join in another room and try to join in another room and try to join in another room.

01:17:04.820 --> 01:17:34.800
 And if you want to join in another room and try to join in another room and try to join in another room.

01:17:34.820 --> 01:17:36.820
 Thank you.

01:17:36.820 --> 01:17:36.820
 Thank you.

01:17:36.820 --> 01:17:36.820
 Thank you.

01:18:04.820 --> 01:18:34.800
 Thank you.

01:18:34.820 --> 01:19:04.800
 Thank you.

01:19:04.820 --> 01:19:34.800
 Thank you.

01:19:34.820 --> 01:20:04.800
 Thank you.

01:20:04.820 --> 01:20:11.200
 Ideally, you would have lots of time to spend all of it doing here, but we just want to

01:20:11.200 --> 01:20:12.080
 give you a flavor of it.

01:20:12.200 --> 01:20:15.920
 Begin thinking that way and then move into some other things.

01:20:17.180 --> 01:20:18.960
 Give me more screens on a printer.

01:20:19.140 --> 01:20:19.360
 Yeah.

01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:20.240
 Laptop.

01:20:20.360 --> 01:20:20.540
 Yeah.

01:20:20.660 --> 01:20:23.280
 I wish I could put them all up there, but it doesn't work that way.

01:20:24.120 --> 01:20:24.380
 Okay.

01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:27.200
 I think that's it for what I have.

01:20:27.300 --> 01:20:28.960
 Thank you for hanging out with me.

01:20:29.080 --> 01:20:31.740
 Loved all of your questions and what you were bringing.

01:20:32.820 --> 01:20:37.720
 And we'll be continuing this discussion as we go forward.

01:20:38.460 --> 01:20:38.900
 Flat cap.

01:20:39.260 --> 01:20:39.860
 Thanks, man.

01:20:40.280 --> 01:20:42.960
 Can we get some fives in chat from Mr. Flat cap Dapper Pastor over there?

01:20:43.420 --> 01:20:53.400
 I think that the coolest thing that happens when you start to think about your one, we did this exercise a couple of years ago at our very first Megazord conference.

01:20:54.040 --> 01:21:01.280
 And then we did it subsequently at last year's, no, the first year you were at us at Nerd Culture Ministry Summit.

01:21:01.400 --> 01:21:02.120
 We did the same thing.

01:21:02.900 --> 01:21:06.380
 And an interesting thing happens when you actually start to define your one.

01:21:06.620 --> 01:21:10.520
 You actually start to, you start to learn how to put the blinders on.

01:21:11.040 --> 01:21:16.320
 There's an old Japanese proverb that I'm a, I'm a kind of, I'm a runner and I'm a fitness guy and all that, as well as a gamer.

01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:21.120
 And one of the things that a lot of personal trainers and a lot of people will say, it's an old Japanese proverb.

01:21:21.280 --> 01:21:27.080
 It says, man who chased two rabbits end up with none, but man who chased one rabbit end up with good meal.

01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:33.140
 And the idea behind that is not that we're going to be like dining and feasting on the people that we're trying to serve,

01:21:33.140 --> 01:21:37.740
 but instead we will catch the goal that we are chasing if we narrow it down.

01:21:37.740 --> 01:21:38.320
 All right.

01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:50.180
 Man who feasts on rabbits, man who feasts on rabbits, man who, I, I, I, Andy, what was that again?

01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:51.620
 That was a little weird.

01:21:52.280 --> 01:21:53.120
 I'm just saying.

01:21:53.500 --> 01:21:55.000
 Hey, Jeff here, wrapping up.

01:21:55.240 --> 01:22:00.000
 This is live, Jeff, as opposed to semi-live Jeff, as you've been watching and in the replay.

01:22:00.100 --> 01:22:09.720
 Hey, listen, and thank you, Leighton, Andy, for all the work you put into making the Digital Missionary Gaming Summit happen.

01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:11.500
 It's been an incredible experience.

01:22:12.180 --> 01:22:22.060
 Excited about new relationships, new connections, and even extending this on through cohorts and other things in the days and weeks and months to come.

01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:23.340
 Hey, excited.

01:22:23.540 --> 01:22:33.300
 We did announce, and we're going to get more into this in the stream next week, the next Digital Missionary Summit is going to be May 12th and 13th, 2026.

01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:34.480
 The two-day summit.

01:22:34.480 --> 01:22:37.440
 I'm going to talk more about that in the stream next week.

01:22:37.740 --> 01:22:38.800
 I'm actually out of town.

01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:39.500
 I'll be in Denver.

01:22:39.860 --> 01:22:40.760
 Hey, Denver people.

01:22:41.200 --> 01:22:42.180
 Love me some Colorado.

01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:46.760
 I'm going to be in Denver Tuesday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday of next week.

01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:51.780
 So, Thursday, I'll be doing a stream pretty much same time, I think.

01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:52.580
 I don't know what time.

01:22:52.700 --> 01:22:58.500
 Look, check in TCD's fam on Discord or WhatsApp to stay up to date with what's going on.

01:22:58.620 --> 01:23:01.740
 But at this point, I'm going to land a plane.

01:23:01.900 --> 01:23:02.800
 Thank you, Andy.

01:23:03.200 --> 01:23:04.320
 Thank you, Leighton.

01:23:04.480 --> 01:23:08.160
 Thank you, everybody who's hung out with me for the stream today.

01:23:08.360 --> 01:23:10.180
 But we're going to close.

01:23:10.480 --> 01:23:17.960
 So, for Andy, for Leighton, and for Untold Gamers, and even Saddleback Sam, this is Jeff at the Church Digital.

01:23:18.280 --> 01:23:21.040
 Thanks for hanging out today, and we'll see you next week on this show.

01:23:21.200 --> 01:23:21.760
 Y'all have a good one.