WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.140 all right hey everybody welcome to the church digital 00:00:09.140 --> 00:00:19.180 this is the chill music i i um i always get relaxed with this music you know the stream beats 00:00:19.180 --> 00:00:25.280 harris heller i think is his name how how howler harris heller how howler is a church planter 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:32.300 harris heller is a musician stream beats um and so this is like kind of gets me in the in the chill 00:00:32.300 --> 00:00:39.820 mode here a little bit which is great for jeff post digital missionary conference uh this is 00:00:39.820 --> 00:00:46.340 actually the first week after digital missionary conference where i felt normal again i was actually 00:00:46.340 --> 00:00:53.740 doing i didn't talk too much about this i was doing two or three projects at the same time i was doing 00:00:53.740 --> 00:00:59.880 a um i was obviously doing the four conferences uh three that i was active with and then gaming being 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:06.940 the fourth and then i was also very involved in a a physical church uh revitalization replant 00:01:06.940 --> 00:01:11.840 um worked with them for about three months and it was all during the conference season and so 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:22.660 it just was uh was it's it was an exhausting stretch and um but i'm feeling much better now i um i was 00:01:22.660 --> 00:01:30.300 drinking coffee actually no it wasn't coffee it was hot chocolate that's how good i'm feeling hot 00:01:30.300 --> 00:01:35.900 chocolate in october november's right around the corner excited excited about the road ahead actually 00:01:35.900 --> 00:01:42.680 i was working on goals organizational goals we've got a big meeting on friday in church digital 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:51.220 really excited about that i've got um my my new job is kicking off some of you know uh i'm actually 00:01:51.220 --> 00:01:55.780 going back to working in the physical church environment uh and some of you are saying wait 00:01:55.780 --> 00:02:01.320 jeff you said hell or high water you would never do that again i did i did say that uh in probably worse 00:02:01.320 --> 00:02:09.840 things but um you know what god heals wounds and and and god restores people and uh and so i am 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:17.140 very um i i excited it's not the word but you know it's just the word i used to often but i'm really 00:02:17.140 --> 00:02:22.400 looking forward to to leaning in and getting back in the physical church environment i'm i'm going all 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:28.840 the way back i'm i'm a a physical church uh uh production director and so the church that i'm working 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:36.980 with christ journey who is a a sponsor of a valuable valued sponsor here at the church digital uh christ 00:02:36.980 --> 00:02:43.200 journey uh is launching a new campus here in the south miami area and so i'm literally going to be 00:02:43.200 --> 00:02:50.640 running the avl technology for a uh a new building set up and no it's not set up in town a new building 00:02:50.640 --> 00:02:56.660 that's in the south miami so me area and so christ journey so me i'm gonna be 00:02:56.660 --> 00:03:02.380 officing out of there you'll see some streams um probably closer to the end of the year early next 00:03:02.380 --> 00:03:07.340 year uh out of there because i'll be working in the building and they're cool with me doing the 00:03:07.340 --> 00:03:12.540 church digital and so i'll be going back and forth lots and lots of fun things i keep staring at my phone 00:03:12.540 --> 00:03:19.480 for the record i'm expecting and i my ipad i'm getting a new ipad for the new job new ipad with 00:03:19.480 --> 00:03:25.060 the little keyboard and the mouse and and um yeah in church world i can run everything on an ipad like 00:03:25.060 --> 00:03:31.040 it's all just like communication stuff and uh but that's going to be uh getting delivered today 00:03:31.040 --> 00:03:36.900 and you know an app they don't leave stuff like on your doorstep like apple requires a signature and 00:03:36.900 --> 00:03:43.060 so like forgive me if i keep staring down it's that m5 uh ipad you know what was funny thing is if that 00:03:43.060 --> 00:03:51.100 actually shows up while i'm streaming uh i will be exiting the stream to go pick up the said package 00:03:51.100 --> 00:03:55.700 so that it doesn't get is that it gets delivered today because that that you know those guys will 00:03:55.700 --> 00:04:03.080 bounce very very quickly so i should be getting a push notification to my watch and my folk when 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:08.440 somebody rings that ring doorbell and uh that'll be great you know funny story actually now that i'm 00:04:08.440 --> 00:04:15.460 thinking about ring um somebody actually hacked jay kranda's ring door but no was it ring doorbell was 00:04:15.460 --> 00:04:25.860 it nest i think it was nest somebody hacked jay kranda's nest uh thermostat and actually figured out 00:04:25.860 --> 00:04:32.960 how to talk through the nest thermostat to jay like they didn't know it was jay the guy 00:04:32.960 --> 00:04:38.200 was just or gal whoever it was was just being a jerk like trying to troll some people but totally 00:04:38.200 --> 00:04:42.920 reversed engineered it i don't even i don't i say it was a nest thermostat i don't know if there's a 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:49.460 speaker in the nest thermostat so this the story may not be accurate but totally hacked the the uh 00:04:49.460 --> 00:04:56.240 you know iot internet of things and actually had was using it to to kind of troll jay fun story we'll 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:02.080 have to get jay back on the stream soon and and get him to relive that i remember talking with him 00:05:02.080 --> 00:05:06.700 about that uh you know a number of years ago and so hey it's always good to go back to the stories 00:05:06.700 --> 00:05:17.360 hey so today's been good um it was funny like even leaning into today walking into the stream uh there 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:25.640 was some interesting conversations on um oh my gosh it is freaking incredible 00:05:25.640 --> 00:05:37.300 all right so i am um you know we have an it the church digital we have an it we call it uh lex 00:05:37.300 --> 00:05:43.680 you know lex luther you know we're going to take over the world it's funny i've even got like the 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:48.320 pinky of the brain funko pops here mounted on my desk the same thing we do every night pinky try to 00:05:48.320 --> 00:05:53.780 take over the world and so you know for for the gospel for the kingdom one person at a time digitally 00:05:53.780 --> 00:05:59.080 we're going to figure it out maybe but uh and so but you know kind of that take over the world type 00:05:59.080 --> 00:06:03.960 of scenario so we've got lex you can you can visit lex you can have a conversation with lex 00:06:03.960 --> 00:06:10.440 lex l-e-x dot the church dot digital lex l-e-x dot the church dot digital lex has been in beta 00:06:10.440 --> 00:06:15.340 lex will be in beta for a while we're still trying to clean up some loose ends working with some of the 00:06:15.340 --> 00:06:22.940 vendors uh and very excited about tapos about live ai if you've been involved with our conferences 00:06:22.940 --> 00:06:31.560 this year you've met both of those organizations and they are okay let's see and they are very 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:37.280 excited and we're excited to see them kind of come together these two different organizations and start 00:06:37.280 --> 00:06:44.260 to um develop a solid product and so we the church digital works we're leaning in and we're going to 00:06:44.260 --> 00:06:50.180 take advantage of that technology as best as possible and and to that end like we've encoded 00:06:50.180 --> 00:07:04.140 i don't know 900 hours of programming of content 600 blogs you know three or four books all on digital 00:07:04.140 --> 00:07:13.140 mission work digital ministry digital church like we have just enveloped a ton of resources into this 00:07:13.140 --> 00:07:18.780 and so you know it's interesting i was i was on discord this morning in general chat and and somebody 00:07:18.780 --> 00:07:23.520 asked a question you know is it more of a digital guy than a physical but he asked the question 00:07:23.520 --> 00:07:30.520 jacked did if i'm pronouncing that right hey how what what what does digital engagement what is uh 00:07:30.520 --> 00:07:36.780 outreach what does digital outreach look like for a physical church and i kind of scoffed because i spent 00:07:36.780 --> 00:07:40.080 not in scoff's not the right word but i kind of chuckled under my breath because i've spent 00:07:40.080 --> 00:07:46.340 years of my life you know trying to help churches answer that question like there's 00:07:46.340 --> 00:07:53.660 hundreds of hours of content recorded on that exact topic and you know i i could not even start to fully 00:07:53.660 --> 00:08:00.620 answer that question but i know lex can and so it's funny over here on the side today i've just been 00:08:00.620 --> 00:08:07.220 running prompts with lex trying to get lex to like give me the content the way that i wanted it 00:08:07.220 --> 00:08:14.260 and you know with with some of the uh lms's google notebook for example you can do like tell it to 00:08:14.260 --> 00:08:21.740 create a podcast and it creates uh you know an audio podcast with ai voices that simulate a conversation 00:08:21.740 --> 00:08:27.880 on the topic you're wanting and so lex the the topos ai it has you know one of the options is create a 00:08:27.880 --> 00:08:36.320 podcast and so i clicked it thinking that it was going to be like a um uh an audio podcast it was 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:47.660 generating instead what it in what lex ended up doing is scripting out the podcast with the guest 00:08:47.660 --> 00:08:53.920 that lex wants to invite and the the ways to get in touch with that guest who's actually justin herman 00:08:53.920 --> 00:09:01.720 he's a friend uh is with justin's with mariners i want to say and then um and then also like podcast 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:07.660 tips on which podcast mic i should buy how it should be wired into the computer the settings and the eq 00:09:07.660 --> 00:09:13.400 levels that should be with that particular like like lex you know did not actually give me the audio 00:09:13.400 --> 00:09:19.080 thing that i wanted but dang i like i have a whole script here i talk from a guy who creates content 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:25.080 podcast all days long um i i won't i won't use this but part of me is like that's actually pretty 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:30.760 impressive slash scary that that lex can do that i'm telling you the end of the world is going to 00:09:30.760 --> 00:09:35.640 come as a result of this ai that doesn't scare me that just tells me that we should lean into it now 00:09:35.640 --> 00:09:42.980 before things go crazy like either way someone in some you know unforsaken garage not nation garage 00:09:42.980 --> 00:09:49.860 is going to is going to weaponize this thing and um enjoy it while we got it and before because 00:09:49.860 --> 00:09:57.000 all this is going to go down the drain at some point and on that note you know i don't know that the 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:04.440 calm chill music is really setting in today because now that i'm talking about the end of the world hey 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:09.720 okay so uh there's some things coming up here with the church digital by the way if you're watching 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:16.580 online um feel free oh steve's saying do you have music playing in the background just trying to 00:10:16.580 --> 00:10:23.000 figure out whether it's you me or or my head i do have some it may not be that loud boom boom 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:30.220 boom boom boom boom boom so you know if that if that's in your head great if that's not in your head 00:10:30.220 --> 00:10:40.560 it is now so have fun uh with that one judy hey judy uh love knowing that the lex the lex 00:10:40.560 --> 00:10:48.180 is loaded with information i'll be using that yeah we're actually in the next week or so i think 00:10:48.180 --> 00:10:54.940 lex is going to be incorporated on the church digital website we'll have a chat bubble like you know the way 00:10:54.940 --> 00:10:59.680 that that stuff works well i've actually to be on the left side over here not the right side over here 00:10:59.680 --> 00:11:06.120 i have to go backwards and so you'll see that interestingly we're also uh going to be creating 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:12.680 a an ai for the digital missionary conference and so all of the conferences we're going to ingest that 00:11:12.680 --> 00:11:19.820 material into i think a separate implementation of lex and so anything that you've heard or seen at the 00:11:19.820 --> 00:11:28.000 conferences um will be able to be interacted with in the in lex even to the point that we want and it's not 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:32.200 going to be lex uh we've got to come up with another name because i don't get it's going to get confusing 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:40.600 but um we want to start like breakouts and other things like actually getting video off of that 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:47.980 um yeah it's good i it's i was actually having this conversation with one of the i'm working with 00:11:47.980 --> 00:11:56.720 the church right now um it's a it's a 400 person presbyterian church so it's like a a re transcriptions 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:10.440 uh okay judy is um saying here transcriptions available um that's a good question i don't know 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:17.500 go find out you could probably i'm trying to thank lex lex will give you the link to a particular episode 00:12:17.500 --> 00:12:26.020 based on video uh based on on the prompt like if you ask it a question it'll give you that link and then 00:12:26.020 --> 00:12:32.060 maybe you can get maybe you can do a transcript off it if not there's more than one way to skin that cat 00:12:32.060 --> 00:12:38.860 oh for the conference material judy's saying um yeah i don't i i don't know let's judy when we get there 00:12:38.860 --> 00:12:46.840 my hope is to have that in place by the end of the year um if not sooner and so we gotta gotta crawl 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:52.220 before we walk and so get doing the church digital one before the conferences um you know what it's 00:12:52.220 --> 00:13:00.220 just speaking of that judy um i i would say this and i've been convicted of this in recent hours like 00:13:00.220 --> 00:13:02.480 over oh honestly since the um 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:07.420 since the the recovery conference 00:13:07.420 --> 00:13:15.780 we worked really hard and that recovery conference was the best material i've done that no one ever saw 00:13:15.780 --> 00:13:21.820 and that's that's not a knock oh there's a couple things one recovery is a very sensitive there's a 00:13:21.820 --> 00:13:26.540 topic there's a lot of stigmas around that people are afraid to engage in that because of 00:13:26.540 --> 00:13:33.180 how it may seem to appear so so there was a layer of that secondly the technology obviously it had to 00:13:33.180 --> 00:13:38.040 hiccup at the beginning if you remember and it's interesting that the the stuff that happened 00:13:38.040 --> 00:13:45.320 yesterday uh and monday monday and tuesday with um aws amazon warehouse services that's actually the 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:50.980 same issue that that eventbrite ran into like a month ago or two months ago when we were doing the 00:13:50.980 --> 00:13:59.140 conference and then so it just hit a larger aws is much larger than i said eventbrite i'm in hubla 00:13:59.140 --> 00:14:10.260 and so um yeah so i feel that i feel that pain we i we're trying to figure out how to make the conferences 00:14:13.140 --> 00:14:21.060 more accessible like in in many ways you know we feel that i'm wrestling with this tension because we 00:14:21.060 --> 00:14:27.140 are about relationships and doing relationships doing connection doing community in the hublo platform 00:14:27.140 --> 00:14:33.300 was a huge success but once again getting people into the hublo platform is hard as opposed to getting 00:14:33.300 --> 00:14:38.660 them into something like watching a youtube stream where it's very easy and people will do that but people 00:14:38.660 --> 00:14:43.620 can go in and out of youtube and and they're not they're not engaged or we don't even know who they 00:14:43.620 --> 00:14:50.500 are not meeting them and like there's this there's this weird tension um and we're trying to figure out 00:14:50.500 --> 00:14:56.260 how to have if you know me i never like to say no i always like to say yes and i'm a big fan of having 00:14:56.260 --> 00:15:03.940 my cake and eat it too and so we're we're trying to like honestly just trying to rewrite the online 00:15:03.940 --> 00:15:09.860 conference playbook and try to figure out what we can do uh with that and so anyway help us and pray 00:15:09.860 --> 00:15:17.860 for us in that uh digital missionary pod uh digital ministry utope i'll be chatting with lex on one 00:15:17.860 --> 00:15:25.300 question someone asked me about applying acts to 42 to 46 interesting response i got uh yeah i mean 00:15:25.300 --> 00:15:33.220 there's a lot in there on the on the um the great commission and so uh no no no acts two is that's 00:15:33.220 --> 00:15:38.900 the um go and talk yeah baptize the men of the fathers teaching them in the name and they were 00:15:38.900 --> 00:15:43.540 with you always into the end of the age right there's that matthew 28 19 to 20 it's matthew 28 00:15:44.260 --> 00:15:51.780 acts 2 is uh the uh the bible that's that's the uh the church the um uh the ecclesiology the biblical 00:15:51.780 --> 00:16:03.780 functions uh prayer teaching you look at 36 to acts 2 36 to 47 is the 10 biblical functions of the 00:16:03.780 --> 00:16:10.660 church yeah biblical community and church yeah sorry i was stuttering through that trying to get my mind 00:16:10.660 --> 00:16:18.180 correct uh yeah uh there's there's a lot in there i talked about that a lot uh the axe the acts 2 stuff 00:16:18.180 --> 00:16:24.500 back in uh maybe 22 23 when we were doing the hard press on um 00:16:25.940 --> 00:16:31.620 covid 21 22 is when i was at stadia we were doing the hard press on digital church planting 00:16:31.620 --> 00:16:36.740 and so yeah there there's a lot in there about reimagining you know what i i would do 00:16:36.740 --> 00:16:41.540 at the time utopia and you may have to double up with me i'd have to find this slide deck 00:16:42.340 --> 00:16:44.260 but i adapted um 00:16:48.340 --> 00:16:58.900 oh my gosh e3 no place left i adapted no place lefts uh uh a church circle so they would take 00:16:59.620 --> 00:17:06.500 the uh they would draw a circle and uh the church circle and they would take the ecclesiology the 00:17:06.500 --> 00:17:13.940 biblical functions of acts 2 36 to 47 and they would map it all out in that circle worship teaching 00:17:14.500 --> 00:17:24.980 uh mercy care um evangel outreach you know what what makes a church a church according to acts 2 36 to 47 00:17:24.980 --> 00:17:34.020 there's 10 things that the early church did in acts 2 36 to 47 and then so i would take those 10 things 00:17:34.020 --> 00:17:40.820 that was established by a non-digital organization no place left and then i would ask the question can 00:17:40.820 --> 00:17:46.740 the church do this what would it look like for the church to do this a digital church could a church 00:17:46.740 --> 00:17:52.980 do this that was not meeting in physical space uh and and to be honest the the only two that were 00:17:52.980 --> 00:18:01.220 somewhat weird in digital space was baptism and and in communion what would communion look like 00:18:02.020 --> 00:18:07.460 and and personally i don't think communion is weird at all i i think communion is you know three or four 00:18:07.460 --> 00:18:12.580 people watching a stream that are that are doing something in their own without being part of a 00:18:12.580 --> 00:18:19.460 larger corporate body or they're engaged corporately via this the network the video network and not not 00:18:19.460 --> 00:18:25.460 in the same space my son's first communion was was done via an online church service 00:18:26.500 --> 00:18:32.260 where we gave him coca-cola instead of grape juice sorry it was all we had god and it was a cauliflower 00:18:32.260 --> 00:18:40.420 wafer uh no yeah it was a cauliflower wafer don't judge he was um lactose intolerant or something and 00:18:40.420 --> 00:18:47.540 so that's what we had in the house and so that's what it was yeah you know yeah uh you know uh utopia 00:18:47.540 --> 00:18:52.660 you know you know the no place left circle yeah so like but it was it was totally reimagined i use 00:18:52.660 --> 00:18:59.220 that as the foundation and then it was reimagining that in a you know what i i i think i did an 00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:07.140 interview uh with scuba steve scuba steve is uh steve scuba steve's name he doesn't scuba and 00:19:07.140 --> 00:19:12.020 his first name's not steve it's the weirdest thing but he's one of the one of the leaderships 00:19:12.020 --> 00:19:17.300 in in no place left last i saw he was over latin and south america he's based out of here in florida 00:19:17.300 --> 00:19:23.140 he's a friend and uh but i think i had that conversation with him literally going through 00:19:23.700 --> 00:19:29.300 and just talking about what that what that means in no place left world which is much more of a 00:19:29.300 --> 00:19:36.340 decentralized you know small micro church model and how to adapt that into into a digital environment 00:19:37.060 --> 00:19:43.460 you know scuba uh no place left is like four people meeting under a palm tree in a park is is 00:19:43.460 --> 00:19:50.260 constitutes a church so the idea of thinking outside of the box of a micro church non-content driven 00:19:50.260 --> 00:19:58.660 heavily relational model like that's the stuff that they do um and uh yeah so so good uh he you see uh 00:19:59.540 --> 00:20:04.580 utope i read a post from rob wagner recently in their sub stack you know what i haven't i haven't i 00:20:04.580 --> 00:20:11.620 need to look into that i haven't been following i've been following their podcast uh rob is with uh 00:20:11.620 --> 00:20:19.540 casey underground we are i'm excited about this this is one of the things that i want to explore more 00:20:19.540 --> 00:20:24.260 in talking about church this is not where i wanted to go but we'll actually get to my topic here in a 00:20:24.260 --> 00:20:33.460 little bit because this is great um we are we're leaning back into um church planting more and this is 00:20:33.460 --> 00:20:36.740 funny this is funny this is as a result and we're actually the reason i brought this up is we're 00:20:36.740 --> 00:20:44.980 working with underground network tampa underground which is uh lucas pulle and those and that crew 00:20:44.980 --> 00:20:53.460 rob wagner is a child under the underground network but we're working with um uh lucas pulle brian 00:20:53.460 --> 00:21:02.180 sanders and those guys and gals into developing a a micro church a digital model based on their micro church 00:21:02.180 --> 00:21:07.860 model that actually came off of the town hall i you know it's i talk about how we do these town halls 00:21:07.860 --> 00:21:12.980 like once a quarter this is really a great way for us to listen to you what are you seeing what are 00:21:12.980 --> 00:21:17.780 you feeling how can we help your ministry and give us some feedback and insight what's working what's 00:21:17.780 --> 00:21:24.180 not working i forget who it was but one of the questions that we had was um one of the questions we had on 00:21:24.180 --> 00:21:32.740 that stream was hey jeff how come you don't like do anything with um digital churches anymore like you 00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:40.180 shifted all your language to digital um missionaries and you're really not acknowledging churches at all 00:21:40.180 --> 00:21:46.820 what what can you do on that it's funny i'm reaching to grab something off my desk this was actually a cup 00:21:46.820 --> 00:21:51.540 that that someone made for me i have no idea if that's yeah you can read this on the screen i think 00:21:51.540 --> 00:21:58.500 and so it says get it up close if it's in focus no it says the godfather of digital churches and um 00:21:59.300 --> 00:22:07.460 you know there was there was a season 2021 2022 where when you googled digital church 00:22:08.420 --> 00:22:17.540 digital church planting i was like number one two three four five six like it was all about that 00:22:18.260 --> 00:22:25.540 and um and so like in especially my work with stadia like it was all centered around planting 00:22:26.340 --> 00:22:30.660 and um you know they there's a balance between planting and hybrid thank you covid 00:22:31.300 --> 00:22:36.100 but now you know we had gone to this missionary working with individuals and not necessarily 00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:41.460 wrestling into the ecclesiology of of planting churches in digital space in recent 00:22:42.100 --> 00:22:47.620 over the past year really since lizon and uh and so somebody brought that concern up 00:22:47.620 --> 00:22:55.860 back at the fall conference i think the fall town hall in august and and so i reached out to 00:22:56.500 --> 00:23:06.100 micah and uh it was like hey micah who runs a uh a digital micro church of sorts um and and so 00:23:06.100 --> 00:23:11.940 i said hey micah why don't you um why don't you help me out here let's would you be interested in 00:23:11.940 --> 00:23:18.260 and maybe starting an outpost on digit with digital church plants people that are part of a digital 00:23:18.260 --> 00:23:25.540 church or want to plant a digital church and uh and he said yes and then i reached out to lucas 00:23:25.540 --> 00:23:33.060 pulle and was like hey what how do you how does somebody like start a micro church and uh and lucas was 00:23:33.060 --> 00:23:39.460 like hey yeah there's like this 12 month course that we ask people to go through they meet once a month 00:23:39.460 --> 00:23:45.140 so it's basically a full year and people jump in whenever they can they do the they did to rolling 00:23:45.140 --> 00:23:51.460 12 months and 12 months later 12 weeks 12 sessions later you know they're they've gone through all 00:23:51.460 --> 00:23:56.420 their training it's just in time training kind of thing and and that's that's how they do it and so 00:23:56.420 --> 00:24:01.700 i said i said to lucas i was like can we can we get that material and like can we adapt it can we 00:24:01.700 --> 00:24:07.780 shape it can we you know lucas is like here you go bro dude he gave me he gave me his google drive that had a 00:24:07.780 --> 00:24:17.780 a ton of resources on mic on micro and so yeah we're we're excited to to lean in uh to uh to that and uh 00:24:17.780 --> 00:24:28.340 the the good news is micah has already adapted that material uh for digital and he's running it through 00:24:28.340 --> 00:24:35.380 his outpost now they're they're you know they're test driving it um right now uh i think for september 00:24:35.380 --> 00:24:41.380 and october they've already met on it and so two months in i think they've already met in october i 00:24:41.380 --> 00:24:46.100 saw that that come through recently you know one of the things this is actually one to talk about with 00:24:46.100 --> 00:24:51.860 the church digital and it's funny utope is talking about planting and in some of that now and i'm talking 00:24:51.860 --> 00:24:57.460 about how micah's doing something and to be honest i'm not keeping up with it and uh you know steve's 00:24:57.460 --> 00:25:02.500 doing uh steve reed is not not my brother steve reed i don't have any brothers but steve reed's not my 00:25:02.500 --> 00:25:08.740 brother my brother from another mother steve reed um you know just did an edm outpost an edm 00:25:09.460 --> 00:25:16.500 and uh i haven't really connected with people or connected with how that went but it's funny i'm 00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:22.580 now having conversations with people that that did that outpost and people there's there's a guy who's 00:25:22.580 --> 00:25:28.980 interested in launching a um an outpost in india that went through steve's thing and it's like okay 00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:36.180 cool let's have that conversation let's go on that and and um we're we're starting to move more and more 00:25:37.220 --> 00:25:44.900 into this idea of the church digital being decentralized now um for for many like i've said 00:25:44.900 --> 00:25:49.620 the church digital we're decentralized we're decentralized we're decentralized but the the 00:25:49.620 --> 00:26:00.660 reality was is that for since it's like start it's been a top-down organization um i have been the 00:26:01.780 --> 00:26:07.380 i don't want to say the brains because i'm not the smartest man on the team i'm i'm not the i'm not the 00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:14.740 brawn i'm not the hot hardest worker i don't necessarily have all the money so i'm not i'm not funding 00:26:14.740 --> 00:26:19.540 this thing or at least i can't afford it anymore and so we're having to move in different directions and 00:26:19.540 --> 00:26:29.860 so it's it's come to this place where you know one plus one doesn't equal two it equals far more 00:26:29.860 --> 00:26:38.820 and it's one of the reasons why i've been so strong in saying like tcd's gotta get bigger than us than me 00:26:39.700 --> 00:26:45.700 because i am i'm a limiter i'm a lid to what's happening and i'll just throw this up here as 00:26:45.700 --> 00:26:51.220 example it'd be great to see how to plant digital churches i'm planning to run an outreach to people 00:26:51.220 --> 00:26:55.940 who don't know jesus and hopefully started disciple making movement on digital so that's utope 00:26:56.500 --> 00:27:05.140 utope is in in nigeria and um i you know i got utope man i love you i'm happy to help you how best i can 00:27:05.780 --> 00:27:13.140 in that um and i've got some ideas that that i and the team would love to share with you and and you 00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:18.740 know for the most part we already have uh but a lot of this is really what can you do with this and how 00:27:18.740 --> 00:27:26.260 can you make it make it work how can you adapt these these ideas into in nigerian and sub-saharan 00:27:26.260 --> 00:27:32.020 south african context you know similar conversation i had today with uh uh with the man i was talking 00:27:32.020 --> 00:27:38.820 about starting this in in india you know he is in eastern india which is the the more the bengali 00:27:40.260 --> 00:27:48.820 i know very little about the bengali um even less about the other 1100 dialects that are currently 00:27:48.820 --> 00:27:55.380 being spoken in india not including the other countries and regions that are in southern asia 00:27:55.380 --> 00:28:00.900 and so like you know there's there's a lot that i don't know about sub-saharan south africa there's 00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:06.900 even less that i don't know there's even less that i know about whatever the negative way to say what i 00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:14.740 just said is there's even less that i know about uh southern africa southern asia and india and so 00:28:15.300 --> 00:28:22.980 it's not about you know me me coming in to save the day and tell everybody what they need as much 00:28:22.980 --> 00:28:30.580 as it is is how can we empower them to like do it and and how can we resource them and and guide them 00:28:30.580 --> 00:28:35.460 and give them freedom to contextualize and adapt this to work in their space you know it's interesting 00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:41.940 i've had a couple people actually tell me um you know jeff we appreciate the fact that imperialism is 00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:48.980 a big thing that i don't i don't want to get into where it's it's it's it's really about adopting and 00:28:48.980 --> 00:28:56.180 adapting what we're learning what utopia is talking about here as opposed to me coming in and driving and 00:28:56.180 --> 00:29:02.180 demanding uh now it's it's interesting because i've had a couple of the people that are in startup mode 00:29:02.180 --> 00:29:08.900 you know utopia's been hanging out with us for like i don't know 2019 2020 early covet if not before 00:29:09.540 --> 00:29:14.340 um and so like it's interesting dude's on another continent i feel like i've got a good relationship 00:29:14.340 --> 00:29:19.940 with him i don't talk to him every day but you know we're a we're a dm away and you know i've had 00:29:19.940 --> 00:29:26.180 plenty of face time with him even though he's on a different continent but the the challenge that i'm 00:29:26.180 --> 00:29:32.660 hearing for some of these others that are in startup is jeff we we need you to to buy in more 00:29:32.660 --> 00:29:40.820 on telling us what to do at the beginning and then kind of releasing and allowing us to contextualize 00:29:40.820 --> 00:29:48.260 because i've been so loose it's not really doable because i'm telling people to like i'm giving people 00:29:48.260 --> 00:29:54.660 freedom when they don't want the freedom they want direction um and so it's it's something i've got 00:29:54.660 --> 00:29:59.460 to wrestle with with the team over the next couple i've had enough people tell me that i think i've had 00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:05.780 two or three conversations like that over the past month and and it's like okay we may be i may be too 00:30:05.780 --> 00:30:13.380 fearful of you know trump's president i may be too fearful about white man coming to save the day 00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:18.420 uh but i so i do need to be a little more involved and forceful in some areas but then 00:30:19.060 --> 00:30:24.100 decentralized and empowering at others and there's a there's a really intricate balance 00:30:24.740 --> 00:30:31.460 and that works in in digital that works in definitely digital work there's an interesting 00:30:31.460 --> 00:30:38.340 tension centered around that even with physical churches it's it's really it's really interesting 00:30:38.340 --> 00:30:45.060 right now so i am um i'm working with a physical church i'm starting christ journey like 00:30:46.420 --> 00:30:52.660 next week uh going basically full-time employee there and still managing a couple other consulting 00:30:52.660 --> 00:30:59.700 and a couple other things around and still doing the church digital like you know i back in 2018 i 00:30:59.700 --> 00:31:04.820 really adapted the idea adopted the idea of multiple revenue streams for the church digital and other 00:31:04.820 --> 00:31:11.700 things and so it's wearing a lot of hats so to speak but um for a physical church 00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:22.980 doing digital ministry the idea of of decentralized is is very is very challenging the idea of you know a a 00:31:22.980 --> 00:31:30.900 lead pastor uh relinquishing responsibility uh and and empowering others to make decisions at a high level 00:31:32.420 --> 00:31:38.500 at there's a very small percentage of churches that that operate that way um you know the majority of 00:31:38.500 --> 00:31:43.380 churches in america so to speak have a have a high level decision maker that passes 00:31:45.220 --> 00:31:51.860 responsibility down and to be honest that's what the church digital was i was high level 00:31:53.780 --> 00:32:03.220 ceo founder and i was you know i had a team around me that i would listen to i mean barbara carnero 00:32:03.220 --> 00:32:08.660 she really helped shape the church digital over the past couple years barbara stepping out of of 00:32:08.660 --> 00:32:15.220 uh relationship now with the organization but even as she's going like we're so thankful for her work 00:32:15.220 --> 00:32:21.620 over the past couple years and how she helped us understand who we are and helped us shape this new 00:32:21.620 --> 00:32:29.540 digital missionary model but that was her saying jeff you should do this and me saying yes you're 00:32:29.540 --> 00:32:38.260 right we should do that an interesting wrinkle develops even beyond that of okay i'm still list i'm 00:32:38.260 --> 00:32:46.100 listening to people i'm not being an a-hole but it still is coming through me and the challenge of 00:32:46.100 --> 00:32:56.580 me is what do i know about what yetope is going through in africa you see it's not about 00:32:57.380 --> 00:33:02.740 me you know it's funny i've got a i've literally i can't get to it but there's i've got a bumper sticker 00:33:03.460 --> 00:33:09.140 um john 330 that's right over here on my desk a little black bumper sticker from my c28 days 00:33:09.700 --> 00:33:16.900 if you don't know what c28 is google uh c28 store colossians 28 um but it's john 330 he must 00:33:16.900 --> 00:33:24.660 become greater i must become less um and so which is um it's not a the bumper sticker says it's not about 00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:34.020 me referencing john 330 and so the idea is not jeff needs to be the lead the idea is really 00:33:34.820 --> 00:33:41.940 the win is not jeff gets everything that he wants the win is yetope creates a discipleship movement 00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:49.060 in nigeria the win is we start multiplying missionaries in india to reach the bengali people 00:33:49.060 --> 00:33:55.620 which is the number three unreached people group on the planet the win is we start to see 00:33:56.260 --> 00:34:06.100 a a revival in in post-christian europe um the win is that we help uh gamers get connected to god 00:34:06.100 --> 00:34:12.980 gamers who have given up on the church because of years of rejection and persecution from the church 00:34:13.540 --> 00:34:20.900 go back to oh can the church persecute that's an interesting idea go back to god yeah like that's 00:34:20.900 --> 00:34:29.060 the win and so rather than putting myself at the top in saying y'all do whatever i say 00:34:29.860 --> 00:34:34.180 this is going to be funny i don't know that utope realizes this but utope is the boss of the 00:34:34.180 --> 00:34:45.220 organization bro like utope simon leighton uh steve reed the micah micah bales the other outpost leaders 00:34:45.220 --> 00:34:52.180 it's funny um uh i've been interested in hearing to hear what you're going to present today it's 00:34:52.180 --> 00:34:57.540 interesting i read a couple places recently he meant to he meant us to collaborate with each other 00:34:58.100 --> 00:35:03.700 uh in all that we do yeah it's funny uh new things uh steve actually talks about the great 00:35:03.700 --> 00:35:09.140 collaboration about how you know you've got the great commission it's the great collaboration and 00:35:09.140 --> 00:35:15.220 there's uh utope may remember those verses off the top of his head better than i do but that's that's 00:35:15.220 --> 00:35:20.260 really is the challenge that god called us to collaborate with each other lazon is very strong 00:35:20.260 --> 00:35:27.540 in in the collaboration ideology of that but you know the idea is you know how can we help steve reach 00:35:27.540 --> 00:35:33.140 the people that steve's called to reach with legacy how can we help utope simon all of these people how can we 00:35:33.140 --> 00:35:41.700 start new movements in areas like sub-saharan excuse me in like southern asia or like in oceania or east 00:35:41.700 --> 00:35:47.620 asia uh we've gotten so much interest recently in east asia what would it look like to to start 00:35:47.620 --> 00:35:52.820 something and who can we find to to lean into that and what does it look like to grow and empower them 00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:59.140 uh to reach the to reach those and to multiply themselves into others the guy asked me today 00:36:00.100 --> 00:36:05.620 he's like what's a win for the church digital in india and and and i said the idea that you're going 00:36:05.620 --> 00:36:10.980 to multiply yourself into other people i'm like i'm not i'm not putting a number god's going to be god 00:36:10.980 --> 00:36:19.140 uh it's like but i only want to train people that are going to multiply these ideas we've made the 00:36:19.140 --> 00:36:28.500 mistake historically of of reaching out to people and recruiting people um that were very um influential 00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:36.820 in their area and asking them to you know rep tcd in the area as well and and what happened is into 00:36:36.820 --> 00:36:44.100 general generally speaking we became a tool on the tool belt um and not necessarily as funny i actually 00:36:44.100 --> 00:36:51.620 made the joke it's like we're a bumper sticker on the back of the nascar i mean we're one of 57 37 24 00:36:51.620 --> 00:36:59.380 different ideas uh 24 different methods and the person wasn't or the persons weren't really excited 00:36:59.380 --> 00:37:04.820 about what we were doing uh just in situations where it was where they were able to hey oh this is a 00:37:04.820 --> 00:37:11.380 good fit but if we didn't see the multiplication because it wasn't a big deal to the to the individuals 00:37:12.340 --> 00:37:19.300 i i want to see i mean i'm literally talking about making these people like the top bill of the 00:37:19.300 --> 00:37:27.620 organization and so i i am actively hoping that people are going to respect the authority that i'm 00:37:27.620 --> 00:37:35.380 giving them of this organization and utilize the resources uh that we have for the purpose of 00:37:35.380 --> 00:37:40.020 equipping and multiplying missionaries globally in their context 00:37:42.340 --> 00:37:47.700 steve's boss i feel like we need to start the hashtag steve's boss.com or something you know 00:37:47.700 --> 00:37:54.580 hashtag steve's boss launch a new website whatever steve says.com um and and and just make it because 00:37:54.580 --> 00:38:00.660 that's that's what i want to do you know if if we're not it's maybe the simple church in me thank you 00:38:00.660 --> 00:38:06.740 eric geiger but if it's not effective in making disciples if it's not effective in multiplying missionaries 00:38:06.740 --> 00:38:12.100 i i don't want to do it and and if it is if it is effective then i want to do more of it 00:38:12.100 --> 00:38:15.460 and to really know what's going on we got to hear from the people on the front lines 00:38:16.100 --> 00:38:23.140 uh and figure out how we can equip and mobilize more effectively in that space yeah brian brian i 00:38:23.140 --> 00:38:27.380 don't think i know you man thanks for jumping on the stream here yep love it we may have met somewhere 00:38:27.380 --> 00:38:34.100 along the way i apologize but thanks for being on um it is and so this idea of decentralization is is 00:38:34.100 --> 00:38:43.300 huge it's organizational flipping i i as founder i is you know it's funny the board told me jeff you 00:38:43.300 --> 00:38:49.860 know because i say founder because founder has said that um founder implies i started this idea but i'm not 00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:59.860 the boss and and the my board you know says to me jeff you need to be um you know executive director 00:38:59.860 --> 00:39:05.780 like people need to understand that you're that this is your you know tower and your your power 00:39:05.780 --> 00:39:12.100 you're in charge like you're you're the influence and i'm i'm still wrestling with that i think i've said 00:39:12.100 --> 00:39:17.380 executive director two times in the past five months since they told me that just because i've been like 00:39:17.380 --> 00:39:21.940 you know i say it sometimes just to kind of shop it around and see what people's responses are to it 00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:32.020 um because ultimately i i i i don't want that power i want to give that to somebody else because this is 00:39:32.020 --> 00:39:38.580 not jeffreed.com this is the church moving a digital space in a global environment or in a global space 00:39:38.580 --> 00:39:45.780 in a digital environment and that i i think is crucial so it's flipping that script where we've got these 00:39:45.780 --> 00:39:51.620 outposts we've got these missionaries that are operating in a global way in our in our departments 00:39:51.620 --> 00:39:59.140 andy with equip uh with uh connecting and community uh jason with the equipping myself with mobilization 00:39:59.140 --> 00:40:08.260 stacy with care like how can we resource the steves the simons the etopes the the the people that 00:40:08.260 --> 00:40:14.900 are operating at at a at a global level the latents in their context the micas in their context and 00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:20.980 environments doing digital micro or gaming like how can we better equip and mobilize 00:40:21.620 --> 00:40:28.660 people in that space how can we share resources and connect them along like these are these are the 00:40:28.660 --> 00:40:37.620 questions uh that we're we're heading into it's i mean listen i love i love doing the conferences 00:40:38.420 --> 00:40:46.580 the conferences were incredible um like the for 25 the 5 conferences the people the thousands of people 00:40:46.580 --> 00:40:56.580 that we've connected with across 95 countries i did the math 95 countries is um that is an exciting 00:40:56.580 --> 00:41:05.140 takeaway but we are not a conference organization like if the only thing we are doing is is the digital 00:41:05.140 --> 00:41:13.700 missionary conference where we are um we're celebrating what's happening in digital mission but we're not 00:41:13.700 --> 00:41:19.780 equipping and mobilizing um that's not that's not something i want to be a part of i don't want to talk about 00:41:19.780 --> 00:41:31.380 the battle is not in who below the battle is not in webinars the battle the battlefield of this is is in uh 00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:40.580 discord it's in uh whatsapp it's in web browsers it's in relationships it's in it's on the discipleship 00:41:40.580 --> 00:41:48.260 field it's on the mission field and and i want to be part of the battle i want to be i don't know i don't 00:41:48.260 --> 00:41:54.340 know what that was a battlefield general to be honest i don't even want to be a general um i've 00:41:54.340 --> 00:42:00.180 actually been thinking about you know in the midst of all the 90 things that i'm doing what would it look 00:42:00.180 --> 00:42:06.820 like to to go back and actually start a a digital church i'll be honest actually i had this thought this 00:42:06.820 --> 00:42:15.220 morning if somebody comes to me and presents a solid idea or even a weak idea but is teachable 00:42:16.180 --> 00:42:27.700 to do a church to reach deaf people asl or otherwise i i may like i may drop everything and and go be a 00:42:27.700 --> 00:42:33.140 part of that no i'm not going to drop everything but like there is an incredible opportunity there 00:42:33.860 --> 00:42:40.500 and i've i've seen some people come and go with it i've seen some startups kind of peter off i've i've 00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:46.820 not seen anybody really own and run with the idea at the church level but there is an incredible 00:42:46.820 --> 00:42:56.260 opportunity to do digital church um to reach deaf people hard of hearing people globally and these are 00:42:56.260 --> 00:43:02.980 people that literally will never make into a physical building because so many so few physical churches are 00:43:02.980 --> 00:43:09.540 doing deaf ministry anymore conversation for different way different day flipping the script 00:43:10.180 --> 00:43:18.260 essentially myself the board we're in a servant position we are in a servant position supporting 00:43:18.260 --> 00:43:25.780 the staff the departments the departments are in a servant position supporting the outpost leaders 00:43:25.780 --> 00:43:33.700 who are in the mission field doing what they're doing that is the call that's the drive that's the desire 00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:42.100 for where we're going now now what's interesting is there is i can talk on a stream here for 42 minutes so 00:43:42.100 --> 00:43:49.060 far telling you about how that's that's what we're doing we're not doing that yet and and actually doing that 00:43:49.060 --> 00:43:56.660 takes a lot of time yeah this is an upside down kingdom model an upside down kingdom but it's funny 00:43:56.660 --> 00:44:04.820 the lead pastor of the church that i start working for monday bill white actually wrote the book called 00:44:05.460 --> 00:44:12.660 upside down kingdom and where he talks a lot about this this philosophy and so it's interesting talking about how 00:44:13.460 --> 00:44:18.660 like they get me and i get them and i'm going to go work for them it's because the philosophies of what 00:44:18.660 --> 00:44:25.300 we're doing actually are not that that different and uh this is not the church that i grew up in that's actually another 00:44:25.300 --> 00:44:30.980 church here in miami this is this is this is a new relationship here uh with uh with this particular 00:44:30.980 --> 00:44:36.740 church over the past three or four years so um it's it's a a very servant-minded 00:44:36.740 --> 00:44:44.500 minded opportunity for us hey tall skinny kiwi good morning uh it's a very servant oriented mindset 00:44:44.500 --> 00:44:50.900 where we're flipping the script on on on how we are serving 00:44:51.620 --> 00:44:57.380 people now the reality of that is it's going to take some time to kind of flesh that out 00:44:58.100 --> 00:45:03.540 and um here's here's what i'm saying today uh the church digital is going to take a little break 00:45:04.340 --> 00:45:11.700 uh next week is actually going to be the last stream that i'm going to do here this year 00:45:12.660 --> 00:45:19.140 uh where and we're going to be circling the wagons doing some reduced streams uh some of the reduced 00:45:19.140 --> 00:45:29.140 um emails like we did a huge push for uh into the year or should be a huge push for the conferences 00:45:29.700 --> 00:45:36.260 um and and as a result of that barbara is shifting out word revolution who has served us very well for a 00:45:36.260 --> 00:45:43.860 couple years is is is heading out the door uh barbara's actually launching a new agency to reach another 00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:48.980 audience group as well and excited about some of the work that she's got planned and what she's trying to 00:45:48.980 --> 00:45:55.700 do uh we're bringing in a new agency that's going to come on board and support us moving forward uh 00:45:55.700 --> 00:46:01.380 and and there's going to be more work uh that there's a lot of even on top of all the superficial stuff 00:46:01.940 --> 00:46:10.260 with the connect and community there's there's a lot of behind the scenes work that we the church 00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:18.340 digital leadership that we need to do because i need to move from a a method or a model where i've been 00:46:18.980 --> 00:46:25.540 pulling people up and telling them what to do and getting them at a higher level to instead getting 00:46:25.540 --> 00:46:34.740 to a place where they're asking and leading and we are supporting on what they're doing this is this 00:46:34.740 --> 00:46:40.020 is you know some of what we're talking about is actually going back through some of the goals we 00:46:40.020 --> 00:46:48.020 had established and them and saying okay like when we created these goals in many ways i it was my 00:46:48.020 --> 00:46:54.980 goals and i was getting you to own them let's flip it let's talk about them being your goals and me on 00:46:54.980 --> 00:47:01.780 it so if you're good if this is your your goals what do you need to do to to own and reshape who else 00:47:01.780 --> 00:47:07.140 do we need to bring into this conversation how do we need to shift in order to be more effective in 00:47:07.140 --> 00:47:12.660 in some of these spaces what other areas can we start to tap into who else do we know that can 00:47:12.660 --> 00:47:20.100 come on board and start to lead an outpost what does it mean to onboard uh people into edm and what 00:47:20.100 --> 00:47:27.780 else can we do to make that a more effective process even things like our database our crm is an 00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:33.780 unfortunate nightmare right now and we need to get that kind of cleaned up and rebuilt and shuffled 00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:38.340 around and by the way who's going to own that in the future moving forward so that it's not a nightmare 00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:44.420 these are just like top of the head uh struggles that that we're looking for and for that reason 00:47:45.380 --> 00:47:51.460 we're we're circling the wagons here a little bit working with our outpost leaders uh working with 00:47:51.460 --> 00:47:57.380 senior leadership working with the board on a number of topics and so we're not going radio silence 00:47:58.180 --> 00:48:06.340 not saying that but we are going to limit what we're doing uh so that we can be more effective to do a 00:48:08.020 --> 00:48:16.260 relaunch may be too strong of a word but to to come back with a new focus and a new strategy in 2026 00:48:16.980 --> 00:48:24.020 i would and part of that also and it's it's worth noting we're going to talk more about this next week 00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:31.140 um by the way i love this uh brian uh discipleship 101 build stages for others you know in in a i'm 00:48:31.140 --> 00:48:34.820 going to get back to what i was going to say here in a second because that's good i've been convicted of 00:48:34.820 --> 00:48:43.380 this and this is something that um this is something that the church project guys taught me um and and 00:48:43.380 --> 00:48:49.060 i've had this conversation with uh the underground the tampa the kc underground network because like i 00:48:49.060 --> 00:48:55.540 just i i i wasn't thinking this way and and i am now because i see it in in the work that they're doing 00:48:57.060 --> 00:49:03.700 building stages for others as brian said here is is such an interesting phrase because to really 00:49:03.700 --> 00:49:10.500 create a decentralized movement this is something that that uh jason shepherd taught me from church 00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:20.020 project a decentralized movement is actually very centralized the processes are centralized but 00:49:20.020 --> 00:49:28.100 there's guidelines and there's freedom to explore once you get past quality control once you get past the 00:49:28.660 --> 00:49:32.900 uh the guidelines and the standards so you know tampa church project 00:49:32.900 --> 00:49:39.220 is very centralized because there's there's ways that they look at metrics and measurements and there's a 00:49:39.220 --> 00:49:48.340 very centralized process into that tampa uh underground is is incredibly decentralized where 00:49:48.340 --> 00:49:56.100 they're doing like you know um different churches and different environments business uh workplace whatever 00:49:56.100 --> 00:50:04.180 um homes um homes public areas like it's just it's very free in in what it looks like 00:50:04.980 --> 00:50:12.500 but there's a level of centralization when it comes towards onboarding process when it comes towards 00:50:12.500 --> 00:50:16.900 mission vision values when it comes towards analytics and successes 00:50:17.700 --> 00:50:26.580 um language terminology and so which is interesting this gets back to like the the what two or three of our 00:50:26.580 --> 00:50:32.580 our new outpost leaders or potential outpost leaders are saying jeff you're given too much freedom 00:50:33.460 --> 00:50:39.940 there's so much freedom we don't know what to do can you lean in a little stronger and be a little more 00:50:39.940 --> 00:50:48.420 finite like and to at least help us get our our grounding now which which i'm okay with but i need 00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:54.900 people to once they get their footing i need people to like you know break out of that egg like you know 00:50:54.900 --> 00:50:59.700 i'll i'll i'll put them you know if i'm if i'm the this is going to be embarrassing i can't believe i'm 00:50:59.700 --> 00:51:05.300 i'm going to say this on a stream i'll be the mother bird that was uh that was actually it was funny my 00:51:05.300 --> 00:51:10.500 nickname it's a true story right here my nickname on the high school football team my senior year 00:51:10.500 --> 00:51:19.060 was mother goose um because i i was kind of like the the shepherd um pastoral person on the team 00:51:19.060 --> 00:51:26.660 and and you know some of the team appreciated that some of the team didn't but when um when i would get 00:51:26.660 --> 00:51:32.180 upset about something like when i would really get ticked off in football and i started ripping heads 00:51:32.180 --> 00:51:38.020 um the the linebacker mike ortigo friend uh he would look at me say yo mother goose don't get your 00:51:38.020 --> 00:51:45.460 feathers ruffled he said that to me once dude stuck it stuck for like a year man i couldn't believe it 00:51:45.460 --> 00:51:52.260 but ultimately what i'm saying is is that you need people to be stable but you need you need people to 00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:57.780 be able to crack out of the egg because they've got at least us they've got to own that idea 00:51:59.060 --> 00:52:04.740 enough to work through contextualization if utope stays in the egg and doesn't adapt this 00:52:05.540 --> 00:52:11.140 i'll just tell you it wouldn't have worked the version one version two maybe even version three 00:52:11.140 --> 00:52:17.060 utope i don't remember how many different versions we did of of edm but it wasn't until 00:52:17.700 --> 00:52:22.820 utope broke out of the egg and said guys i don't want to do it the way you're doing it i want to do 00:52:22.820 --> 00:52:30.580 it this way instead we gave him freedom but it took him a couple drafts to get it to where he was 00:52:30.580 --> 00:52:35.460 comfortable enough and he understood it enough to do it his way and and it worked with us it's actually a 00:52:35.460 --> 00:52:41.060 great story simon some of the work that he's doing uh i mean he's he's pushing us to get into different 00:52:41.060 --> 00:52:47.780 languages he's what did he tell me this week he's he got somebody uh that is going to translate 00:52:48.660 --> 00:52:59.460 and uh um to translate edm no translate um uh sharing jesus online simon's getting g sharing jesus 00:52:59.460 --> 00:53:06.820 online translated into german and i'm hoping french i really want french um to to translate the book into 00:53:06.820 --> 00:53:12.660 that somebody's translating it for free and i think design is going to be free or reduce cost 00:53:12.660 --> 00:53:21.220 and and so but like there's a that's him adapting it for his context and and then being able to push 00:53:21.220 --> 00:53:25.220 that and use that in different ways he's seeing the resource and saying hey it's going to be really 00:53:25.220 --> 00:53:30.420 effective if we can and then they're running with it when i wrote sharing jesus online at no point 00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:37.140 did i ever think hey this would be great in german or french but simon has that vision and wants to run 00:53:37.140 --> 00:53:43.620 with it and for the love of all please yes let's go so we're going to be taking a break 00:53:45.060 --> 00:53:51.460 to circle the wagons get our our departments our leadership we brought on some project managers 00:53:51.460 --> 00:53:57.140 to help manage relationships and and uh we're developing volunteer teams you're going to be 00:53:57.140 --> 00:54:03.300 hearing more about that in the coming months as we're looking to really empower this movement at at a 00:54:03.300 --> 00:54:12.820 global level but it's not centered on me working 50 60 hours a week on it like it was historically 00:54:13.780 --> 00:54:19.780 you know i've put in a lot there's no regret in this i've put in a lot of hours in making this happen 00:54:20.580 --> 00:54:27.060 which is why it still is a jeff-centric organization and i want to see the church 00:54:27.060 --> 00:54:37.380 digital grow beyond a jeff-centric organization and i feel like god is best glorified when this is no 00:54:37.380 --> 00:54:44.820 longer a jeff-centric organization you tope mentioned earlier in the stream uh the idea of or maybe it was 00:54:44.820 --> 00:54:51.300 steve i think steve actually said it the idea of collaboration and to see that come to fruition 00:54:52.420 --> 00:55:00.020 where we can continue to contextualize adapt learn from each other collaborate for kingdom purposes 00:55:00.020 --> 00:55:07.940 globally oh what a what a sweet opportunity we have in digital spaces to even build on this conversation 00:55:07.940 --> 00:55:14.660 where we've had people from at least four continents on this stream that i've managed to feature and bring 00:55:14.660 --> 00:55:21.940 into the conversation and so this is a incredible opportunity you know it's funny i'm so i'm seeing 00:55:21.940 --> 00:55:28.260 brian uh feeling the holy spirit all over the shift yes i i i am too my friend i um 00:55:31.220 --> 00:55:40.420 it's funny i'm gonna start crying it's um letting what what i'm doing right now letting go empowering 00:55:40.420 --> 00:55:47.300 other people positioning others moving to decentralized instead of centralized this makes 00:55:47.300 --> 00:55:56.260 no sense in a digital environment like no one teaches you at influencer school to empower other people 00:55:56.260 --> 00:56:02.420 and give up your platform give other people your followers uh they don't they don't they don't say 00:56:02.420 --> 00:56:08.660 that they don't say decentralized they don't say they say a million person stream is better than 00:56:08.660 --> 00:56:14.820 a hundred thousand streams of ten and and we've you know god has just convicted me over the years 00:56:14.820 --> 00:56:18.660 you've heard me say flip the script man we're just going to keep flipping the script 00:56:19.300 --> 00:56:25.540 because uh i would rather be a hundred thousand churches of ten than a million person church i to me 00:56:26.660 --> 00:56:30.420 i i i haven't talked about this too much i met um 00:56:32.820 --> 00:56:39.060 i met rick warren through um jay crahn is a friend over at saddleback but i met rick 00:56:39.620 --> 00:56:47.620 um doing some work uh globally it started when i was at uh stadia but um through an organization 00:56:47.620 --> 00:56:53.860 called um finishing the task actually that's where i met by kelly shanko by kelly shanko was actually 00:56:53.860 --> 00:56:58.980 who spoke at that the neighborhoods conference but kelly was actually a key he was in the room 00:56:59.700 --> 00:57:07.060 with this conversation um and uh be kelly rick and a couple others hey jeff 00:57:07.940 --> 00:57:12.260 um how do we get one church for every hundred people on the planet globally using digital tools 00:57:13.700 --> 00:57:18.980 how do we do that and um i i i drew up the plans 00:57:20.660 --> 00:57:28.340 literally like overnight i was asked that question on a on a monday night that's a true story i was 00:57:28.340 --> 00:57:36.340 asked that question on a monday night in 2022 and i drew up the plans for the church digital in its current 00:57:36.340 --> 00:57:46.420 iteration and presented them tuesday uh i i sent the i sent an email to bichelle and uh one of bichelle's 00:57:46.420 --> 00:57:54.100 one of the guys i was working with that bichelle was over and um you know maybe four hours after 00:57:54.100 --> 00:58:01.220 that i sent that in via email i get a tap on my shoulder and said and looked up and it was it was 00:58:01.220 --> 00:58:08.100 rick's right hand man rick is the leader of of uh finishing the task but i get a tap on the shoulder 00:58:08.100 --> 00:58:15.140 and says hey um rick and some of the leaders are going to be in this room in about 30 minutes 00:58:16.100 --> 00:58:22.660 i saw your your design can you can you come over and like tell them about it maybe get them to ask 00:58:22.660 --> 00:58:24.180 some questions answer some questions 00:58:26.900 --> 00:58:35.300 yeah sure how long do i have maybe 10 minutes of time is there any technology in the room no um no slide 00:58:35.300 --> 00:58:39.780 decks nothing just just come in and talk for 10 minutes can i get a whiteboard yes you can have 00:58:39.780 --> 00:58:45.940 a whiteboard and so i got got a whiteboard i mapped out the the church digital uh it was funny a week 00:58:45.940 --> 00:58:53.460 later i i resigned from stadium 22 uh and um went down the road towards building out what this is today 00:58:55.780 --> 00:59:02.740 and that's where i i can design the framework i can design the systems but if we really are going 00:59:02.740 --> 00:59:06.980 to get to the place where we're going to get one church for every 100 people on the planet globally 00:59:06.980 --> 00:59:11.860 using digital tools if we're really going to reach people in unique contexts in the 95 countries that 00:59:11.860 --> 00:59:13.060 we're currently engaging in 00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:23.380 white bald dude with a beard what the crap do i know about the big bengali people i hadn't even 00:59:23.380 --> 00:59:26.020 said the word bengali this year until this morning 00:59:28.020 --> 00:59:34.580 look it needs to get beyond me it needs to get be owned by others and if god's going to be glorified 00:59:34.580 --> 00:59:40.420 if the holy spirit is going to move we need people that are going to be able to question uh in 00:59:40.420 --> 00:59:47.620 environments contextualize and shape the gospel not rewrite the gospel but shape it in such a way 00:59:47.620 --> 00:59:54.020 digitally to make it effective to reach people in the unique context jesus doesn't change jesus stays the 00:59:54.020 --> 01:00:00.660 same but that doesn't mean our methods need to stay the same and to be able to invite that freedom to 01:00:00.660 --> 01:00:06.020 encourage that mindset and and do something different to reach someone different globally yes please 01:00:07.220 --> 01:00:16.900 so that's what we're doing the entire body growing by what every joint supplies i'm sure that makes sense in 01:00:16.900 --> 01:00:24.820 in the context there my friend i i but i love the idea of the body growing together working together uh 01:00:24.820 --> 01:00:30.740 to do this god god knew what he was doing and and and to be honest even as we look at what's happening 01:00:30.740 --> 01:00:38.260 and not happening digitally you know it'd be very easy to be discouraged um here in the us looking at how 01:00:38.260 --> 01:00:43.860 physical churches are struggling with digital ministry reverting back to physical in the building but 01:00:43.860 --> 01:00:49.780 we've been fortunate enough to to be a part of some incredible global movements to have some incredible 01:00:49.780 --> 01:00:58.340 conversations and see how god is doing work globally digitally um and that we are laying a foundation 01:00:58.340 --> 01:01:06.980 today for what is is moving forward culture changes and so we shape the gospel in order to keep it 01:01:06.980 --> 01:01:14.180 the same same impact same story told uh in different ways through different eyes i love it thank you for 01:01:14.180 --> 01:01:20.900 that kiwi great to have you on um in the middle of the morning for you hey look so here's what's going 01:01:20.900 --> 01:01:26.580 to happen we're i'm going to stream next week not going anywhere we're going to stream i i you know 01:01:26.580 --> 01:01:30.660 what it's on youtube i think it's wednesday next week let me let me actually make sure i don't 01:01:30.660 --> 01:01:35.780 i don't want to lie here on the stream um i can click that tab i can do that 01:01:38.980 --> 01:01:48.900 as of right now i'm streaming wednesday no tuesday uh the 28th at 2 p.m um i am 01:01:48.900 --> 01:01:55.140 i'm going to be streaming uh now here's here's what i'm doing next week i'm going to talk about 01:01:55.140 --> 01:02:03.460 about this show the church digital we have done over 370 episodes this is episode three snows 369 01:02:04.100 --> 01:02:13.220 370 will be next week of the church digital podcast and um that is 370 episodes of me monologuing 01:02:13.220 --> 01:02:19.060 or me interviewing and and dialoguing having other people on and and just like hey we're going to flip 01:02:19.060 --> 01:02:23.620 the script and things are going to change we're going to be we're going to start to do some of 01:02:23.620 --> 01:02:30.980 that change next week or no we're going to talk about the change that's coming next week and so 01:02:30.980 --> 01:02:37.860 january uh will be the launch give you the t's uh will be the launch of the church digital streaming 01:02:38.580 --> 01:02:45.380 network what that means what it's going to look like and uh what the what the future is going to be 01:02:46.020 --> 01:02:51.220 we're going to talk about that next week and we'll get more into the weeds on that and a lot of the 01:02:51.220 --> 01:02:58.100 changes that that are coming um and on the content side and on the community side we'll get more into that 01:02:58.820 --> 01:03:06.580 next week and so come back we'll put the information in fam watch of course uh on demand as you're able 01:03:06.580 --> 01:03:12.180 but we're excited be praying about the road ahead um i really do feel like god's behind these moves 01:03:12.740 --> 01:03:20.100 um and and it's it's us taking the hands off the wheel you know i hate to to really go play the pun 01:03:20.100 --> 01:03:28.020 here jesus take the wheel uh like you know drive in this situation uh i i have been told my uh my um 01:03:29.460 --> 01:03:34.980 i live here in miami my span my name is jeffrey dale uh if you know me jeff is my first name 01:03:34.980 --> 01:03:42.420 and my middle name is uh dale don't call me dale don't call me jeffrey uh but uh the the spanish 01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:50.180 equivalent of some cuban people told me this uh is el jefe dale uh which if you know uh spanish el jefe 01:03:50.180 --> 01:03:58.660 dale is pretty much the boss screaming at you do it and do it now uh that is el jefe the boss dale 01:03:59.300 --> 01:04:08.500 do it now and and so jeffrey dale el jefe dale that is my that's was my motivation for years and 01:04:09.380 --> 01:04:19.140 god is moving me to not drive but to release and uh and trust the trust him to go through this and so 01:04:19.700 --> 01:04:25.060 pumped i appreciate that i'm brian hey man thanks for chiming in and joining us today being part of the 01:04:25.060 --> 01:04:32.900 stream uh and it was really cool to uh to engage with you and the others today thank you for all 01:04:32.900 --> 01:04:37.620 the amazing video content and time maybe a few months off will be refreshing expect you to return with 01:04:37.620 --> 01:04:41.940 new vision for a new chapter i think i do have a new vision for the new chapter it's just going to 01:04:41.940 --> 01:04:48.580 take us some time to to implement it and and to refresh i will say that taking some time off um 01:04:49.380 --> 01:04:55.700 is good um the conferences being in may next year uh the next digital missionary conference may 12th 01:04:55.700 --> 01:05:02.660 and 13th gives us time january february march to kind of ramp up we're even restructuring how the camp 01:05:02.660 --> 01:05:12.340 the conferences are being managed um we'll get more into it but we're i hated the fact that the conferences 01:05:12.340 --> 01:05:18.100 took so much and we really kind of shifted away from empowering digital missionaries for uh 01:05:18.100 --> 01:05:24.260 probably five or six months i hated that we fried out the the creative team i just i hated a lot of 01:05:24.900 --> 01:05:30.420 the cost of of the conferences and we're restructuring some things to make sure that we don't 01:05:31.060 --> 01:05:37.700 don't get there again uh but yeah uh i see this from judy excited about the future uh we'll be praying 01:05:37.700 --> 01:05:43.860 and so be praying for us in the days in the weeks to come as as we're heading into the new year uh 01:05:43.860 --> 01:05:50.020 with 25 i'm getting a phone call i'm gonna have to go but for jeff this is jeff with the church 01:05:50.020 --> 01:05:54.740 digital thanks for hanging out with us today we'll see you next time on the show y'all have a good one