WEBVTT 00:00:00.393 --> 00:00:04.355 [Jeff Reed] All right, hey everybody, welcome to Becoming the Church Digital. 00:00:04.375 --> 00:00:11.938 [Jeff Reed] Jeff here, founder of The Church Digital, and my settings all of a sudden just wigged out me right as I was about to get started. 00:00:11.957 --> 00:00:12.597 [Jeff Reed] Has that ever happened? 00:00:12.617 --> 00:00:18.760 [Jeff Reed] You know, you got everything done, your mic checks, everything should be set, and all of a sudden, like, it just all goes to pot. 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:21.241 [Jeff Reed] Well, that was literally my past, like, two minutes. 00:00:21.301 --> 00:00:22.562 [Jeff Reed] And hey, it's great to be part... 00:00:23.364 --> 00:00:24.625 [Jeff Reed] of this show, The Church Digital. 00:00:24.645 --> 00:00:35.498 [Jeff Reed] Excited to jump on this stream with you, and we've got a really interesting conversation I'm excited about with a guy that I've known for a while now, but that I reconnected with coming back to The Church Digital. 00:00:35.519 --> 00:00:41.306 [Jeff Reed] I'm excited about where he's going with his organization, and we're going to talk about it and the implications. 00:00:41.806 --> 00:00:44.766 [Jeff Reed] really for the global church in digital space. 00:00:45.106 --> 00:00:48.268 [Jeff Reed] But before we get there, I wanted to give a heads up on a couple things. 00:00:48.367 --> 00:00:52.127 [Jeff Reed] Next week, we're doing our town hall. 00:00:52.548 --> 00:00:54.389 [Jeff Reed] Every quarter, okay, we took some time off. 00:00:54.429 --> 00:00:55.248 [Jeff Reed] I was sick, sorry. 00:00:55.628 --> 00:01:08.072 [Jeff Reed] But every quarter, every three months or so, we basically do a town hall meeting, take some surveys, figure out where people are, gather together, and talk about really the next six months of ministry for the church digital. 00:01:08.632 --> 00:01:21.400 [Jeff Reed] A lot of what we've done in the past, especially centered around the 1002 prayer movements, centered around the conferences, have come out of these town hall meetings. 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:26.663 [Jeff Reed] And we've got a town hall meeting coming up next week, Wednesday, October 8th. 00:01:26.703 --> 00:01:31.485 [Jeff Reed] If you go to thechurch.digital.com, all one word, thechurch.digital.com. 00:01:32.665 --> 00:01:34.706 [Jeff Reed] It'll figure out the time for you and your time zone. 00:01:34.727 --> 00:01:37.907 [Jeff Reed] It'll be 2 p.m. Eastern this time next week. 00:01:38.709 --> 00:01:42.350 [Jeff Reed] But there's invites and more information at church.digital.com. 00:01:42.871 --> 00:01:46.812 [Jeff Reed] We also want to hear from you in advance on some questions. 00:01:46.832 --> 00:01:56.236 [Jeff Reed] We've got a survey out there right now, the church.digital.com survey, S-U-R-V-E-Y, survey, the church.digital.com survey. 00:01:56.657 --> 00:01:57.377 [Jeff Reed] Fill that out. 00:01:57.477 --> 00:01:58.557 [Jeff Reed] I think we've had maybe... 00:01:59.298 --> 00:02:00.598 [Jeff Reed] 30 plus people. 00:02:00.997 --> 00:02:02.278 [Jeff Reed] I took a nap a couple hours ago. 00:02:02.318 --> 00:02:03.959 [Jeff Reed] Actually, I'm not sure what's happened since then. 00:02:04.979 --> 00:02:11.819 [Jeff Reed] But lots of interesting stats, even just coming out of the early aspects of the survey so far. 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:16.080 [Jeff Reed] I was meeting with leadership this morning, just going through some of that. 00:02:16.121 --> 00:02:24.963 [Jeff Reed] But some interesting tells coming out of the season that's helping us to prepare for how to do ministry in the months ahead. 00:02:25.942 --> 00:02:27.584 [Jeff Reed] And, oh, so many other things. 00:02:27.644 --> 00:02:30.427 [Jeff Reed] Just get in touch with The Church Digital. 00:02:30.668 --> 00:02:34.552 [Jeff Reed] You know, we've got J. Moore, J. Moe, J. Moore. 00:02:34.572 --> 00:02:35.733 [Jeff Reed] I don't know where that came from. 00:02:36.134 --> 00:02:39.377 [Jeff Reed] Can't wait to see what Arno is cooking up. 00:02:39.699 --> 00:02:43.262 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, Arno, everybody, everybody, everybody. 00:02:44.083 --> 00:03:01.028 [Jeff Reed] uh knows arno uh it's it's really fascinating to see uh dude lives on the other side of the planet yet somehow is really connected to to a lot of people in america and so no reason to just kind of like dance around it anymore let's go ahead and bring him in hey arno how are you doing man 00:03:05.367 --> 00:03:06.608 [Jeff Reed] Good to see you as well. 00:03:07.187 --> 00:03:11.189 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, well, I tell you, the first thing that I've missed about Arno is his beard. 00:03:13.531 --> 00:03:22.617 [Jeff Reed] I mean, I met you during COVID, maybe, I guess it would be early COVID, probably, and the beard was just as beautiful then, man. 00:03:23.437 --> 00:03:45.836 [Jeff Reed] um that is that is an envy i i can't i can't do it like i i just i i i can't get it anywhere near that long but uh man it's it's a it's a pleasure let's why don't you for obviously jason knows who you are jason's uh screaming uh he's uh gonna be in uh yeah okay so you're he's gonna be in uh new zealand next week 00:03:46.637 --> 00:04:11.394 [Jeff Reed] uh for for work so at least he's that's still not that near you in in south africa but at least it's oh you know what no it's new zealand afterwards i'm sorry i jumped into it he's gonna jason are you gonna be in south africa next week he is gonna be in africa somewhere in africa next week i forget the the country though 00:04:21.516 --> 00:04:22.697 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:04:23.197 --> 00:04:26.540 [Jeff Reed] So I'll keep an eye on the screen, see if he says anything back. 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:30.584 [Jeff Reed] You know, there's a delay of eight seconds, I think, so hopefully he responds. 00:04:30.644 --> 00:04:37.531 [Jeff Reed] But you're right, he's going to be in Africa for a stretch, and then he's back here in America, and then he's going to New Zealand for work. 00:04:38.370 --> 00:04:58.721 [Jeff Reed] after that dude you know talk about world traveled i'm actually doing he spoke at a missions conference here in america a couple weeks ago and i'm doing a stream with him tomorrow to talk about talk about that he did his platforms his places and so we're doing talk and so we're doing that as a stream tomorrow but let's talk about you man 00:04:59.701 --> 00:05:00.442 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:05:00.564 --> 00:05:01.605 [Jeff Reed] Let's talk about you. 00:05:01.706 --> 00:05:05.372 [Jeff Reed] You have a rich history. 00:05:05.471 --> 00:05:05.833 [Jeff Reed] Okay. 00:05:05.952 --> 00:05:06.694 [Jeff Reed] Sorry, Jason. 00:05:06.754 --> 00:05:07.795 [Jeff Reed] We'll do it one more time. 00:05:08.396 --> 00:05:10.480 [Jeff Reed] Dude, going to be in Johannesburg for a few days. 00:05:10.521 --> 00:05:11.161 [Jeff Reed] We should meet up. 00:05:13.288 --> 00:05:17.451 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, I'll let the two of you connect via WhatsApp. 00:05:17.913 --> 00:05:22.156 [Jeff Reed] I'll get you guys connected for sure and let you guys go to town. 00:05:22.175 --> 00:05:24.718 [Jeff Reed] That's going to be great. 00:05:25.238 --> 00:05:26.420 [Jeff Reed] Talk to me a little bit. 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:28.841 [Jeff Reed] Introduce yourself, man. 00:05:28.862 --> 00:05:35.307 [Jeff Reed] Some people, if you're deep into church digital, you know Arno, but there's a lot of people that don't. 00:05:35.367 --> 00:05:37.247 [Jeff Reed] So, man, tell us a little bit about yourself. 00:05:37.267 --> 00:05:37.949 [Jeff Reed] Tell us your story. 00:05:54.512 --> 00:05:54.714 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:06:32.249 --> 00:06:32.452 [Jeff Reed] Mm hmm. 00:07:43.270 --> 00:07:43.530 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:08:05.154 --> 00:08:13.136 [Jeff Reed] No, I remember early on you were working with, as I recall, a large established multi-site church. 00:08:14.038 --> 00:08:17.057 [Jeff Reed] And you were feeling called away from that. 00:08:17.077 --> 00:08:17.778 [Jeff Reed] It was interesting. 00:08:17.918 --> 00:08:21.759 [Jeff Reed] I had the same story maybe eight or nine years ago. 00:08:21.820 --> 00:08:28.042 [Jeff Reed] So I had just been similar, but felt called away, felt like God was leading away from that. 00:08:28.322 --> 00:08:28.522 [Jeff Reed] And... 00:08:29.581 --> 00:08:32.384 [Jeff Reed] You know, to be honest, I missed the steady paycheck. 00:08:33.105 --> 00:08:34.926 [Jeff Reed] I've gone on record about that. 00:08:35.326 --> 00:08:40.210 [Jeff Reed] There's some things I love about the embodied church and how it's operating. 00:08:40.811 --> 00:08:45.754 [Jeff Reed] But truly, if I knew what God was asking me to give up, I don't know. 00:08:46.274 --> 00:08:49.376 [Jeff Reed] if I really would have. 00:08:49.538 --> 00:09:12.294 [Jeff Reed] We're going to get into something else, but maybe talk a little bit, what lessons have you learned in being obedient, in following God through this season away, creating your own thing, being a little visionary, apostolic a little bit, creating something different that the world doesn't even know they need yet. 00:09:12.455 --> 00:09:14.897 [Jeff Reed] What has that experience been like for you? 00:10:10.687 --> 00:10:11.048 [Jeff Reed] Sure. 00:10:53.255 --> 00:10:53.515 [Jeff Reed] Amen. 00:11:19.797 --> 00:11:30.125 [Jeff Reed] Even just clinging to that, I know there's lots of people right now in the church digital network that are going through, it's a hard season of ministry right now. 00:11:30.264 --> 00:11:35.369 [Jeff Reed] I'm not calling out individuals as much as the collective group is really struggling. 00:11:35.629 --> 00:11:38.951 [Jeff Reed] And that's actually the thing that we're encouraging people. 00:11:40.212 --> 00:11:46.278 [Jeff Reed] is just keep clinging to this, to the idea, to the remembrance that God's got you this far. 00:11:47.298 --> 00:11:48.639 [Jeff Reed] He's not going to fail you. 00:11:49.620 --> 00:11:57.729 [Jeff Reed] Even in the midst of the difficulties that we're facing and across the board, it's different things. 00:11:57.808 --> 00:11:58.668 [Jeff Reed] It's not one thing. 00:11:59.190 --> 00:12:02.173 [Jeff Reed] But even in the midst of that, God's gotten you this far. 00:12:03.033 --> 00:12:04.273 [Jeff Reed] You're not wrong, you're early. 00:12:04.952 --> 00:12:09.333 [Jeff Reed] And we're going to talk some about that, where you're not wrong, you're early. 00:12:09.754 --> 00:12:16.475 [Jeff Reed] But even in the midst of all that, God is walking with you step by step to get you through this. 00:12:16.575 --> 00:12:20.076 [Jeff Reed] So let's dig into this. 00:12:20.275 --> 00:12:24.657 [Jeff Reed] You've been working on a project for a couple years now. 00:12:25.456 --> 00:12:31.538 [Jeff Reed] Tell us a little bit here about what you've rolled out and what you've built over there in South Africa. 00:13:04.692 --> 00:13:04.951 [Jeff Reed] Sure. 00:14:45.067 --> 00:14:46.927 [Jeff Reed] And so that's come together. 00:14:46.966 --> 00:14:51.889 [Jeff Reed] Your software platform is Kingdom Spaces. 00:14:54.168 --> 00:14:58.669 [Jeff Reed] So Kingdom Spaces, you can see it at kingdom.online. 00:14:58.791 --> 00:14:59.691 [Jeff Reed] Is that the website, right? 00:14:59.711 --> 00:15:00.591 [Jeff Reed] Kingdom.online? 00:15:03.620 --> 00:15:03.840 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:15:04.520 --> 00:15:07.403 [Jeff Reed] And so it's Kingdom.online. 00:15:07.482 --> 00:15:18.792 [Jeff Reed] It's a new software platform that tries to connect together the physical expression and leading from that. 00:15:18.853 --> 00:15:20.255 [Jeff Reed] Okay, you've got the stream. 00:15:21.055 --> 00:15:33.105 [Jeff Reed] where you're reaching physical people, and you've got this stream that's online, but you're really trying to not have the two hemispheres. 00:15:33.145 --> 00:15:33.727 [Jeff Reed] We all know this. 00:15:33.787 --> 00:15:36.769 [Jeff Reed] Anybody that's done digital ministry in context of a physical church, 00:15:37.269 --> 00:15:45.596 [Jeff Reed] You know, you've got the online audience, you've got the physical audience, and it's very rare when they cross and when they, you know, engage. 00:15:46.217 --> 00:15:54.422 [Jeff Reed] And now you're starting to create this platform, an all-in-one shop where you're bringing them together to create that experience. 00:15:54.501 --> 00:15:58.224 [Jeff Reed] So you've got, you know, you and I have had conversations about this. 00:15:58.244 --> 00:16:04.609 [Jeff Reed] You put in 2,800 hours, you know, on this project, mostly on your own, you know, praise God for AI. 00:16:06.131 --> 00:16:06.971 [Jeff Reed] working through that. 00:16:09.034 --> 00:16:18.483 [Jeff Reed] Man, what's it like to develop something like that in isolation alone without anybody really using this project yet? 00:17:27.734 --> 00:17:27.921 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:18:22.309 --> 00:18:22.891 [Jeff Reed] That's awesome. 00:18:23.490 --> 00:18:25.973 [Jeff Reed] And we're all building digital arcs in the world. 00:18:26.013 --> 00:18:26.734 [Jeff Reed] Things were nuts. 00:18:27.675 --> 00:18:28.236 [Jeff Reed] I love that. 00:18:28.616 --> 00:18:35.624 [Jeff Reed] Well, you know, let's dig in and actually talk about the arc itself, so to speak. 00:18:36.365 --> 00:18:36.984 [Jeff Reed] Where'd you find that? 00:18:37.005 --> 00:18:37.465 [Jeff Reed] No, I'm kidding. 00:18:39.086 --> 00:18:41.748 [Jeff Reed] What did you find like churches were actually lacking? 00:18:42.249 --> 00:18:46.971 [Jeff Reed] So you've got some physical experience with churches in South Africa. 00:18:47.451 --> 00:18:48.912 [Jeff Reed] You felt called to digital. 00:18:50.732 --> 00:18:52.173 [Jeff Reed] What's the hole? 00:18:52.834 --> 00:18:58.116 [Jeff Reed] What's the void that your software is really trying to address that this platform's solving? 00:19:18.585 --> 00:19:18.924 [Jeff Reed] Hmm. 00:20:26.564 --> 00:20:26.876 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:21:23.210 --> 00:21:23.410 [Jeff Reed] Sure. 00:21:33.800 --> 00:21:33.980 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:21:50.210 --> 00:22:05.438 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, and that relationship is key in physical relationships, and there's a drive for physical churches to have those relationships, whether it's small group or, you know, some sort of, whatever the discipleship structure is, churches are leaning that way. 00:22:06.578 --> 00:22:31.038 [Jeff Reed] And what's interesting is in some of my new work now, I've really started been challenging churches, started been, that's not good English, but I've been challenging these churches, physical churches, on thinking through how digital can strengthen the physical relationships, which I know is crucial to what you're seeing and what you're doing. 00:22:31.597 --> 00:22:42.413 [Jeff Reed] What are some opportunities that you're seeing where you look at physical churches, they're broadcasting church on Sunday digitally. 00:22:42.432 --> 00:22:47.499 [Jeff Reed] I mean, the majority of churches, if not all churches at this point, are doing that or know how to do that. 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:59.518 [Jeff Reed] but there's a gap from Sunday to the next Sunday where that relationship, where that community ends. 00:22:59.598 --> 00:23:01.642 [Jeff Reed] Where are you seeing that in churches today? 00:23:24.366 --> 00:23:24.450 [Jeff Reed] Hmm. 00:24:20.335 --> 00:24:20.499 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:25:16.269 --> 00:25:16.555 [Jeff Reed] Mm hmm. 00:25:55.460 --> 00:25:55.660 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:04.040 [Jeff Reed] And so, I mean, you're talking about daily devotionals. 00:26:04.101 --> 00:26:11.422 [Jeff Reed] You've got an opportunity for notes, for scripture highlights, for questions, reflections, digital prayer. 00:26:12.342 --> 00:26:15.982 [Jeff Reed] Of those, what do you think churches today underestimate the most? 00:26:36.750 --> 00:26:37.047 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:27:10.342 --> 00:27:10.535 [Jeff Reed] Sure. 00:27:42.321 --> 00:27:42.527 [Jeff Reed] Sure. 00:28:32.011 --> 00:28:32.372 [Jeff Reed] Beautiful. 00:28:32.632 --> 00:28:35.433 [Jeff Reed] So you've got this Kingdom Spaces. 00:28:35.535 --> 00:28:39.596 [Jeff Reed] It's at kingdom.online is the website. 00:28:40.498 --> 00:28:42.098 [Jeff Reed] You've been working on this for a couple years. 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:44.721 [Jeff Reed] How many churches are using it? 00:28:44.800 --> 00:28:47.022 [Jeff Reed] How many organizations, ministries? 00:28:47.423 --> 00:28:49.605 [Jeff Reed] What does this actually look like? 00:28:49.664 --> 00:28:51.326 [Jeff Reed] How many people are in your ecosystem? 00:28:51.665 --> 00:28:52.906 [Jeff Reed] Ministries are in your ecosystem. 00:29:10.577 --> 00:29:10.843 [Jeff Reed] Mm hmm. 00:30:07.584 --> 00:30:07.801 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:30:50.113 --> 00:30:50.326 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:31:28.704 --> 00:31:34.527 [Jeff Reed] So let me ask, you're creating a project. 00:31:34.626 --> 00:31:36.446 [Jeff Reed] Once again, you're not wrong, you're early. 00:31:37.288 --> 00:31:40.749 [Jeff Reed] And it's hard to get, I mean, we're both innovators. 00:31:41.409 --> 00:31:43.569 [Jeff Reed] We're both disruptors. 00:31:43.710 --> 00:31:50.771 [Jeff Reed] We both work with churches dealing with technology and they don't like change. 00:31:51.291 --> 00:31:54.113 [Jeff Reed] Churches by a design don't like change. 00:31:55.133 --> 00:32:02.695 [Jeff Reed] And we're change innovators for a industry, for the church space that is wired to not like change. 00:32:05.997 --> 00:32:07.577 [Jeff Reed] What do you do when it's a bad day? 00:32:08.554 --> 00:32:14.380 [Jeff Reed] Who do you talk to, a wife, a board member? 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:22.588 [Jeff Reed] What is the, ecosystem may not be the right word, what's the support system around you when you do have a bad day? 00:32:22.608 --> 00:32:23.409 [Jeff Reed] We all have bad days. 00:32:23.929 --> 00:32:25.351 [Jeff Reed] What do you do on a bad day? 00:33:07.204 --> 00:33:08.349 [Jeff Reed] I didn't know that you wrote a book. 00:33:11.179 --> 00:33:11.601 [Jeff Reed] Awesome. 00:33:37.282 --> 00:33:37.623 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:34:25.431 --> 00:34:45.630 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:35:36.403 --> 00:35:36.664 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:36:23.356 --> 00:36:25.298 [Jeff Reed] How many, it's interesting. 00:36:25.318 --> 00:36:33.585 [Jeff Reed] I had a conversation today in leadership and we were rolling out some software with the Church Digital next week. 00:36:33.864 --> 00:36:45.333 [Jeff Reed] And one of the, Anesh on our leadership team, he's actually been getting to know one of my AI agents really well because they just do emails and things like that. 00:36:45.594 --> 00:36:47.456 [Jeff Reed] How many different AI agents do you have? 00:36:47.516 --> 00:36:48.197 [Jeff Reed] I'm just curious. 00:36:49.402 --> 00:36:51.367 [Jeff Reed] Are you using a lot of AI to build this? 00:36:51.447 --> 00:36:53.532 [Jeff Reed] Are you writing it by hand, mixed? 00:36:53.592 --> 00:36:55.998 [Jeff Reed] What does this look like for you with Kingdom Spaces? 00:37:16.141 --> 00:37:18.382 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, Baruch in this situation. 00:37:18.503 --> 00:37:20.543 [Jeff Reed] I've got about 25, but go ahead, please. 00:37:22.523 --> 00:37:44.472 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:38:03.112 --> 00:38:20.237 [Jeff Reed] mm-hmm mm-hmm okay 00:38:42.422 --> 00:38:42.603 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:38:45.835 --> 00:38:46.097 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:39:26.525 --> 00:39:27.927 [Jeff Reed] Talk a little bit. 00:39:28.047 --> 00:39:28.786 [Jeff Reed] It's interesting. 00:39:28.967 --> 00:39:31.068 [Jeff Reed] Like I said, I've got 25. 00:39:31.329 --> 00:39:33.130 [Jeff Reed] That may not be an exaggeration. 00:39:33.831 --> 00:39:39.193 [Jeff Reed] With all the different client work and things like that I do at this point, I've tried to scale down. 00:39:40.994 --> 00:39:42.115 [Jeff Reed] Things seem to go quicker. 00:39:42.856 --> 00:39:44.157 [Jeff Reed] It's funny, I don't have a team. 00:39:44.177 --> 00:39:51.322 [Jeff Reed] Well, I have a team, but in the consulting work, it's mostly AI that does all the coding and the working. 00:39:53.083 --> 00:39:55.806 [Jeff Reed] And I'm always quick to claim, I don't actually know what I'm doing with AI. 00:39:56.126 --> 00:40:02.291 [Jeff Reed] And so I'm like, don't do this because I'm doing it, because I'm not the AI expert. 00:40:02.630 --> 00:40:07.554 [Jeff Reed] But I have really enjoyed having an AI team 00:40:08.275 --> 00:40:11.936 [Jeff Reed] team that's actually producing and doing the work. 00:40:12.677 --> 00:40:20.402 [Jeff Reed] It's let me be much more imaginative, I think is what I would say. 00:40:21.132 --> 00:40:30.521 [Jeff Reed] is that, you know, my, man, I'm probably speaking out of turn, but good ideas have died historically. 00:40:31.222 --> 00:40:37.449 [Jeff Reed] Trying to get, like, and even some of the stuff you're working with now, trying to get, and this is some of the tension just in the world that I've lived in. 00:40:38.690 --> 00:40:46.940 [Jeff Reed] trying to get churches, pastors with a lack of vision to understand, to buy into, to give permission. 00:40:47.561 --> 00:40:51.344 [Jeff Reed] It's been hard historically over the years for me. 00:40:52.286 --> 00:40:57.010 [Jeff Reed] And really coming back, it's been a little bit of a... 00:40:57.672 --> 00:41:04.836 [Jeff Reed] a rejuvenation, maybe like a renaissance era where it's like, oh my gosh, I can do this. 00:41:05.157 --> 00:41:09.840 [Jeff Reed] And I've got, you know, Claude that's going to do most of the heavy lifting for me. 00:41:10.121 --> 00:41:14.483 [Jeff Reed] And I can be visionary and I've got execution covered. 00:41:15.905 --> 00:41:19.447 [Jeff Reed] You know, it's been really, really interesting. 00:41:21.664 --> 00:41:23.306 [Jeff Reed] you know, I'm intrigued. 00:41:23.326 --> 00:41:29.548 [Jeff Reed] Jason, JMO, actually this morning, I was showing him some of the software that I've been working on. 00:41:30.289 --> 00:41:35.713 [Jeff Reed] And he's like, are you like just building exclusively web software now? 00:41:35.753 --> 00:41:36.592 [Jeff Reed] Is this what you do? 00:41:37.293 --> 00:41:37.914 [Jeff Reed] There's a lot. 00:41:37.994 --> 00:41:39.974 [Jeff Reed] I've been burning the midnight oil. 00:41:40.034 --> 00:41:41.516 [Jeff Reed] I literally pulled a couple all-nighters. 00:41:42.255 --> 00:41:45.217 [Jeff Reed] And I was like, no, no, no, it's not that bad. 00:41:45.318 --> 00:41:47.759 [Jeff Reed] But we're, you know, we're modeling. 00:41:48.318 --> 00:41:50.661 [Jeff Reed] And in essence, what you're doing right now, 00:41:51.400 --> 00:42:01.789 [Jeff Reed] And even just to encourage you, I mean, if you get 50 churches on this thing, if you get 100 churches, if you get 1,000 churches, I don't know what success is for you. 00:42:01.809 --> 00:42:03.150 [Jeff Reed] That might be an interesting question. 00:42:03.831 --> 00:42:06.373 [Jeff Reed] But the fact that you're modeling... 00:42:07.068 --> 00:42:24.697 [Jeff Reed] a healthy physical digital relation, embracing digital community for a physical digital relationship, that you're trying to create digital tools that will help physical church, that will help physical discipleship be better through reinforcing digital tools to make physical discipleship better. 00:42:25.635 --> 00:42:28.978 [Jeff Reed] That's an incredible challenge. 00:42:29.918 --> 00:42:43.068 [Jeff Reed] And being an early adopter and innovator in this space, excuse me, a pioneer in this space, not a lot of people would go into it. 00:42:43.568 --> 00:42:45.130 [Jeff Reed] Not a lot have succeeded. 00:42:45.150 --> 00:42:47.231 [Jeff Reed] I don't think anybody succeeded because once again, 00:42:47.903 --> 00:42:50.905 [Jeff Reed] you know, we may have survived COVID, but it still is early. 00:42:52.226 --> 00:43:08.918 [Jeff Reed] What is, this is off topic maybe, but what is success for you as an entrepreneur, somebody starting their own business, investing 2,800 hours, you told me, two years worth of work, like what's the end game? 00:43:08.978 --> 00:43:10.360 [Jeff Reed] What's the finish line for you? 00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:42.262 [Jeff Reed] nurture. 00:43:42.585 --> 00:43:42.947 [Jeff Reed] Good word. 00:44:53.110 --> 00:44:53.490 [Jeff Reed] Mm hmm. 00:45:25.068 --> 00:45:25.329 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:46:00.994 --> 00:46:01.213 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:46:17.304 --> 00:46:17.804 [Jeff Reed] Hmm. 00:46:30.211 --> 00:46:30.431 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:46:31.271 --> 00:46:32.592 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, I'm glad you said that. 00:46:32.652 --> 00:46:35.572 [Jeff Reed] In digital, there's certainly vanity metrics. 00:46:35.713 --> 00:46:40.414 [Jeff Reed] And so, you know, it's interesting as you were talking about not being defined by numbers. 00:46:40.635 --> 00:46:46.295 [Jeff Reed] In my mind, just the entrepreneurial business mind that I'm at, I'm like, oh, I can't. 00:46:46.376 --> 00:46:47.215 [Jeff Reed] I have to have numbers. 00:46:47.275 --> 00:46:47.996 [Jeff Reed] I have to have goals. 00:46:48.036 --> 00:46:48.476 [Jeff Reed] I have to. 00:46:48.556 --> 00:46:49.677 [Jeff Reed] But that's... 00:46:50.637 --> 00:46:52.978 [Jeff Reed] Just to be honest, that's my bringing up. 00:46:53.059 --> 00:46:57.802 [Jeff Reed] That's my parents 40 years ago, 50 years ago, how they raised me. 00:46:58.041 --> 00:47:02.344 [Jeff Reed] And my default is some of those metrics. 00:47:02.684 --> 00:47:05.527 [Jeff Reed] But it's, you know, to your point, it's a crockpot. 00:47:05.567 --> 00:47:06.507 [Jeff Reed] It's not a microwave. 00:47:06.748 --> 00:47:07.688 [Jeff Reed] Stuff takes time. 00:47:09.250 --> 00:47:13.193 [Jeff Reed] And, you know, the thing that I'm working on now is just being... 00:47:13.713 --> 00:47:22.317 [Jeff Reed] Being that dependent on God and letting him define success when things, you know, aren't success definable. 00:47:24.557 --> 00:47:36.643 [Jeff Reed] You know, dependent on the hat I wear or the glasses I wear, the lens I look through on the church digital, it could be a huge success or it could be a huge failure. 00:47:37.802 --> 00:47:49.148 [Jeff Reed] Ministry-wise, when we look at lives impacted and presence digitally and how we're discipling the disciplers and equipping the equippers that are out there, huge success. 00:47:49.228 --> 00:47:55.172 [Jeff Reed] Network 10,000 plus communities are thriving, multiple communities rolling out new things. 00:47:55.291 --> 00:48:02.735 [Jeff Reed] And so, I mean, I'm very excited about what we're seeing on a global footprint with what we're up to. 00:48:03.735 --> 00:48:14.043 [Jeff Reed] Um, the unfortunate reality is, is that oftentimes, you know, success is based on, on dollar figures and our operating budget is nothing. 00:48:14.583 --> 00:48:19.766 [Jeff Reed] I mean, I, I don't want to say zero cause it's not, it's not zero, but it's not much more than zero. 00:48:20.385 --> 00:48:27.891 [Jeff Reed] And, and, and as, as a result of that, you know, when, when I sit around talking with other nonprofits and they're like, oh, we have this, we have this, we have this. 00:48:27.951 --> 00:48:30.652 [Jeff Reed] And it's like, well, I don't, I don't, I don't match up to that. 00:48:32.512 --> 00:48:40.815 [Jeff Reed] And so it's very easy to define success based on what other people, in the box that other people are putting on you. 00:48:41.456 --> 00:48:48.757 [Jeff Reed] I think it's very wise of you to take that posture of, hey, you know, we're just, you know, we're not going to do that. 00:48:48.777 --> 00:48:52.978 [Jeff Reed] We're not going to put numbers on it and wait and see what God brings. 00:48:53.659 --> 00:48:54.480 [Jeff Reed] Is that a... 00:48:56.784 --> 00:48:59.347 [Jeff Reed] Is that like a South African culture? 00:48:59.367 --> 00:49:04.373 [Jeff Reed] Do you see a lot of other churches or ministries in South Africa thinking that way? 00:49:04.833 --> 00:49:06.615 [Jeff Reed] Is that something that's more you? 00:49:06.715 --> 00:49:07.938 [Jeff Reed] I'm just curious on that. 00:49:38.766 --> 00:49:38.978 [Jeff Reed] Sure. 00:50:07.862 --> 00:50:09.844 [Jeff Reed] No, that actually would be a fascinating number. 00:50:09.884 --> 00:50:10.364 [Jeff Reed] You tell me. 00:50:21.876 --> 00:50:22.637 [Jeff Reed] That's incredible. 00:50:24.659 --> 00:50:28.884 [Jeff Reed] So four Sundays a month, it'll be a million. 00:50:29.905 --> 00:50:30.105 [Jeff Reed] Wow. 00:50:39.644 --> 00:50:39.744 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:50:39.764 --> 00:50:39.864 [Jeff Reed] Wow. 00:50:42.226 --> 00:50:49.911 [Jeff Reed] Well, God bless you in that. 00:50:50.251 --> 00:50:52.333 [Jeff Reed] That's a bold number right there. 00:51:09.182 --> 00:51:09.402 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:51:28.498 --> 00:51:34.922 [Jeff Reed] Well, and your platform is wired in activity versus consumerism. 00:51:34.961 --> 00:51:41.945 [Jeff Reed] Like YouTube, you're sitting around, you got 250,000 hours of content that's being consumed. 00:51:41.985 --> 00:51:49.389 [Jeff Reed] People are sitting in a chair, staring at their phone or staring at their monitor or laptop or TV or something. 00:51:49.429 --> 00:51:51.210 [Jeff Reed] They're not active, it's passive. 00:51:53.251 --> 00:52:09.063 [Jeff Reed] your platform with some with the community features and the engagement features you're dialoguing your your discipleship you're in relationship you're in community which is going to foster not a consumeristic mindset but one of more of a discipleship 00:52:10.364 --> 00:52:12.465 [Jeff Reed] either a precursor or the thing itself. 00:52:12.646 --> 00:52:15.487 [Jeff Reed] Like that's a phenomenal challenge. 00:52:15.547 --> 00:52:24.876 [Jeff Reed] So if you could get 10%, heck, if you could get 1% and start with that and then grow, like that's a phenomenal opportunity right there. 00:52:26.677 --> 00:52:27.278 [Jeff Reed] I love that. 00:53:14.715 --> 00:53:14.938 [Jeff Reed] Hmm. 00:54:11.592 --> 00:54:11.833 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:16.382 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, it's... 00:54:18.454 --> 00:54:24.820 [Jeff Reed] it's a fine line and it's one, you know, we don't talk about in the church a lot today is owning your platform. 00:54:26.061 --> 00:54:34.706 [Jeff Reed] But we are, I mean, we're a bad hate crime, you know, especially in America with some of the tensions that we're facing. 00:54:34.726 --> 00:54:44.293 [Jeff Reed] We're a bad hate crime away from, you know, just being completely ostracized and isolated away and not having access. 00:54:45.574 --> 00:54:49.277 [Jeff Reed] to some of these platforms that we have that's currently free. 00:54:49.978 --> 00:54:55.382 [Jeff Reed] And as technology, not understanding it, that's very true. 00:54:55.402 --> 00:55:03.228 [Jeff Reed] There are Christian tech companies right now that are fearful of that. 00:55:03.307 --> 00:55:11.253 [Jeff Reed] And I know at a personal level, we lean very strongly on YouTube and on the free platforms. 00:55:11.934 --> 00:55:28.351 [Jeff Reed] The flip side is that, you know, if you, when we've done stuff away from the YouTubes, the WhatsApps, the Discords, when you create your own, you've got to have, and this is why I love your platform, your software. 00:55:28.831 --> 00:55:36.994 [Jeff Reed] Because you've got to have engagement so attractive that it pulls people to that platform where your community is. 00:55:37.534 --> 00:55:39.155 [Jeff Reed] And that's the thing, to be honest. 00:55:39.494 --> 00:55:54.519 [Jeff Reed] I wouldn't call them a competitor, but some of the other software platforms that have tried to do what you do, they really didn't have the luster, the power, the feature set. 00:55:55.059 --> 00:55:57.221 [Jeff Reed] And to be honest, this is an interesting question. 00:55:58.501 --> 00:56:00.561 [Jeff Reed] You know, I would say churches didn't know how to use it. 00:56:01.061 --> 00:56:03.764 [Jeff Reed] You know, there's a church that uses here in America. 00:56:03.784 --> 00:56:04.824 [Jeff Reed] It's a large church. 00:56:06.045 --> 00:56:14.369 [Jeff Reed] You know, they use a competitor platform for engagement during the week. 00:56:15.088 --> 00:56:21.492 [Jeff Reed] And I was like, well, do you guys ever like jump on during the week and do like a midstream or do you ever do open offices? 00:56:21.652 --> 00:56:22.092 [Jeff Reed] And no. 00:56:25.414 --> 00:56:27.076 [Jeff Reed] They don't engage. 00:56:27.836 --> 00:56:34.902 [Jeff Reed] They just open it up like it's a private Facebook group and people talk to each other. 00:56:35.001 --> 00:56:40.146 [Jeff Reed] But the pastors and staff aren't creating community opportunity announcements. 00:56:40.166 --> 00:56:47.351 [Jeff Reed] They're just wanting people to post funny memes and talk about things in there without really being involved. 00:56:47.911 --> 00:56:48.952 [Jeff Reed] How much do you... 00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:52.961 [Jeff Reed] coach? 00:56:52.981 --> 00:56:59.050 [Jeff Reed] Do you find that, that churches don't understand how to use the powers that you're giving them? 00:56:59.070 --> 00:57:02.994 [Jeff Reed] Do you have to guide them maybe a little bit in the beginning? 00:57:03.094 --> 00:57:04.918 [Jeff Reed] What's that process look like? 00:57:04.958 --> 00:57:05.958 [Jeff Reed] Are they receptive to it? 00:57:54.608 --> 00:57:54.847 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:58:53.612 --> 00:58:53.793 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:58:54.753 --> 00:58:55.114 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:59:02.097 --> 00:59:03.719 [Jeff Reed] You've said this word accountability. 00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:06.340 [Jeff Reed] You've said this word accountability a couple times. 00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:07.922 [Jeff Reed] I just, I want to poke the bear on it. 00:59:08.661 --> 00:59:09.483 [Jeff Reed] Unpack for me. 00:59:11.251 --> 00:59:26.135 [Jeff Reed] So the church and accountability is an interesting conversation with me because I don't feel like the church actually, at least the American church, I don't know that we hold people accountable for what God is leading them to do. 00:59:26.775 --> 00:59:33.836 [Jeff Reed] And so I'm actually curious, when you're saying accountable, what do you mean when you say that? 00:59:33.896 --> 00:59:36.277 [Jeff Reed] What does that look like for you in this context? 01:00:02.646 --> 01:00:02.976 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 01:00:33.269 --> 01:00:33.510 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm . 01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:34.302 [Jeff Reed] No, it does. 01:01:34.422 --> 01:01:40.648 [Jeff Reed] But what's interesting there is you're talking about an iteration where you see something, okay, this works, this doesn't work. 01:01:40.847 --> 01:01:47.974 [Jeff Reed] And the goal with the accountability you're describing is learning from the mistakes and cycling through and trying again towards that. 01:01:48.434 --> 01:01:53.440 [Jeff Reed] Oftentimes in America, once again, I can just speak from my own backyard. 01:01:53.900 --> 01:01:55.922 [Jeff Reed] We don't see churches iterate. 01:01:56.481 --> 01:01:58.184 [Jeff Reed] It's fail and never do it again. 01:01:58.204 --> 01:02:00.525 [Jeff Reed] And it's just kind of wipe it off. 01:02:01.146 --> 01:02:05.750 [Jeff Reed] And no, it doesn't work that way without that iteration, without that learning process. 01:02:07.431 --> 01:02:14.358 [Jeff Reed] What have you seen churches try in digital space, in digital community, with Kingdom Online, Kingdom Spaces? 01:02:14.797 --> 01:02:18.925 [Jeff Reed] What have you seen churches try that just didn't work? 01:02:19.344 --> 01:02:25.594 [Jeff Reed] What's some learnings that you've picked up personally by watching people utilize your tool? 01:03:10.184 --> 01:03:10.375 [Jeff Reed] Sure. 01:03:58.179 --> 01:03:58.353 [Jeff Reed] Sure. 01:04:18.311 --> 01:04:30.778 [Jeff Reed] It's not, well, there's probably a lack of vision towards what digital can do to even get to the point of not bringing it together or not seeing value in bringing it together. 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:34.521 [Jeff Reed] It's an afterthought five different times. 01:04:34.601 --> 01:04:36.001 [Jeff Reed] And so it's like, oh, it doesn't matter. 01:04:36.041 --> 01:04:41.485 [Jeff Reed] Just, yeah, we'll have that and do that and do that rather than something that's more cohesive. 01:05:19.690 --> 01:05:21.971 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 01:05:22.070 --> 01:05:23.172 [Jeff Reed] And it is interesting. 01:05:23.331 --> 01:05:35.317 [Jeff Reed] There are churches that are, at least in my experience, there are churches, more churches today that are hungry for that answer than there were pre-COVID. 01:05:35.556 --> 01:05:40.039 [Jeff Reed] There are churches that want to know how digital can make physical better. 01:05:41.378 --> 01:05:44.581 [Jeff Reed] how digital can be a tool that can empower physical. 01:05:45.041 --> 01:05:52.123 [Jeff Reed] The past five or seven years has swayed enough physical churches towards digital. 01:05:52.184 --> 01:05:58.467 [Jeff Reed] They see the power of it, that there is a decent amount of churches that want to know that answer. 01:05:58.487 --> 01:06:06.150 [Jeff Reed] They may not like your answer, but they are at least asking the question at this point. 01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:14.324 [Jeff Reed] You know, if a pastor, so the show is when the stream ends, then what? 01:06:14.485 --> 01:06:22.289 [Jeff Reed] If somebody is using your software, if they're not using your software, you know, either way, lots of people are listening to this. 01:06:22.849 --> 01:06:23.890 [Jeff Reed] What is the... 01:06:26.773 --> 01:06:28.734 [Jeff Reed] What's some best practices? 01:06:28.914 --> 01:06:30.056 [Jeff Reed] What's some advice? 01:06:30.476 --> 01:06:34.761 [Jeff Reed] What's the first thing that you would tell them to do? 01:06:34.801 --> 01:06:36.203 [Jeff Reed] They've got the stream. 01:06:36.243 --> 01:06:37.425 [Jeff Reed] They've got the service. 01:06:38.345 --> 01:06:43.692 [Jeff Reed] And then what is the next thing that they should be doing? 01:07:50.541 --> 01:07:50.837 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 01:09:01.837 --> 01:09:02.538 [Jeff Reed] I think so. 01:09:02.759 --> 01:09:03.720 [Jeff Reed] No, it's interesting. 01:09:03.739 --> 01:09:07.944 [Jeff Reed] You pivoted a little bit towards just this thought. 01:09:07.984 --> 01:09:08.784 [Jeff Reed] I'm listening to you. 01:09:09.265 --> 01:09:12.708 [Jeff Reed] By the way, if you don't have a purpose on streaming, don't stream. 01:09:12.809 --> 01:09:15.671 [Jeff Reed] I've said that for years. 01:09:16.292 --> 01:09:17.474 [Jeff Reed] But that being said... 01:09:18.375 --> 01:09:20.435 [Jeff Reed] I love a small church that leans in. 01:09:21.475 --> 01:09:26.578 [Jeff Reed] As a matter of fact, right now I'm working with, I'm going to brag here for a second, I'm sorry. 01:09:27.238 --> 01:09:29.099 [Jeff Reed] But I work with a church. 01:09:29.179 --> 01:09:33.060 [Jeff Reed] There are about 250 people on a Sunday. 01:09:33.860 --> 01:09:38.823 [Jeff Reed] And so 250 people are here in that sermon Sunday morning in the building. 01:09:39.722 --> 01:09:49.768 [Jeff Reed] and online through YouTube, through the tools and the things that we're getting, there's probably another 150 to 200 that are here in that sermon as well. 01:09:50.389 --> 01:09:56.971 [Jeff Reed] And so online engagement is almost nearly as much as physical engagement. 01:09:57.532 --> 01:10:00.213 [Jeff Reed] And what an incredible opportunity for churches to... 01:10:00.774 --> 01:10:05.935 [Jeff Reed] to, I mean, literally multiply what their reach is. 01:10:06.577 --> 01:10:11.639 [Jeff Reed] And it's funny, now that this church has this, I've been able to develop this for this church over the past year. 01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:14.859 [Jeff Reed] All right, it's time to figure out who those people are. 01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:16.201 [Jeff Reed] How do we do that? 01:10:16.980 --> 01:10:19.641 [Jeff Reed] And that's where, you know, okay, once again, the stream ends. 01:10:20.181 --> 01:10:23.363 [Jeff Reed] I got 200 people on the hook that are watching this thing. 01:10:24.104 --> 01:10:24.764 [Jeff Reed] Who are they? 01:10:25.324 --> 01:10:28.787 [Jeff Reed] And that's now what I'm working with the church on, starting to discover that. 01:10:28.886 --> 01:10:39.493 [Jeff Reed] And using engagement tools like what you're describing and what your platform offers is an immense opportunity to build those relationships and establish trust. 01:10:40.213 --> 01:10:41.493 [Jeff Reed] If I was a church plant... 01:10:42.854 --> 01:10:49.578 [Jeff Reed] If I was a small church, if I was a sub-100 church, I honestly, I would double down on digital. 01:10:50.100 --> 01:10:57.264 [Jeff Reed] And I would put far more energy into digital than a megachurch would. 01:10:58.625 --> 01:11:02.707 [Jeff Reed] I just, I think, because what is small churches really good at? 01:11:03.387 --> 01:11:07.051 [Jeff Reed] Small churches, hopefully, are really good at relationships. 01:11:07.490 --> 01:11:08.332 [Jeff Reed] You're not a number. 01:11:08.912 --> 01:11:09.493 [Jeff Reed] You're attending. 01:11:09.512 --> 01:11:10.273 [Jeff Reed] You're a name. 01:11:10.573 --> 01:11:12.875 [Jeff Reed] People know who you are when you walk in that room. 01:11:13.274 --> 01:11:14.355 [Jeff Reed] They know your story. 01:11:14.395 --> 01:11:15.277 [Jeff Reed] They're engaging. 01:11:15.856 --> 01:11:23.363 [Jeff Reed] And if a small church can just figure out how to port that over to digital using tools like what Arno is talking about here today. 01:11:24.002 --> 01:11:35.112 [Jeff Reed] Man, this is an incredible opportunity for churches to engage a different audience and develop ministry in a new way. 01:11:35.733 --> 01:11:46.322 [Jeff Reed] Now, the majority of small churches do want to see their vanity metric is churches in the building, people in the building, and you can certainly drive digital to get people in the building. 01:11:46.362 --> 01:11:48.604 [Jeff Reed] You can do that, and it is effective. 01:11:49.064 --> 01:11:52.244 [Jeff Reed] And the church that I'm working with, one of the churches I'm working with now, that's the deal. 01:11:52.725 --> 01:11:59.105 [Jeff Reed] He's like, hey, in another year, we're going to figure out how to do disciple people only in digital space. 01:11:59.146 --> 01:12:01.527 [Jeff Reed] But right now we want to use digital to get people in the building. 01:12:02.886 --> 01:12:12.529 [Jeff Reed] And so we're crafting campaigns, ad campaigns, developing tools to build that trust, establish relationship, and route people into the building. 01:12:12.569 --> 01:12:17.011 [Jeff Reed] The mobile app is a big for us, is the big tool. 01:12:18.171 --> 01:12:38.106 [Jeff Reed] platforms like yours that create community would be very effective as well too because then that community is where you're developing that that trust piece so man i i love i love the stuff that that you're you're talking about here um when you got started doing this 01:12:38.948 --> 01:12:44.912 [Jeff Reed] Two years ago, how many different times did the idea change or evolve? 01:12:45.052 --> 01:12:47.673 [Jeff Reed] Was the end game where you are two years today? 01:12:48.454 --> 01:12:52.117 [Jeff Reed] Two years ago, did you know this is where you were going or did the idea shift around? 01:12:57.539 --> 01:12:57.800 [Jeff Reed] Okay. 01:13:31.198 --> 01:13:31.395 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 01:14:24.650 --> 01:14:24.851 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 01:15:11.921 --> 01:15:13.761 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, I feel that. 01:15:17.684 --> 01:15:18.064 [Jeff Reed] So good. 01:15:18.465 --> 01:15:19.385 [Jeff Reed] We got a couple comments. 01:15:19.444 --> 01:15:24.207 [Jeff Reed] It's funny, I actually had the chat window blocked, so I didn't see. 01:15:24.568 --> 01:15:27.409 [Jeff Reed] Methos and others had been actually chiming in some good comments. 01:15:27.449 --> 01:15:28.069 [Jeff Reed] I apologize. 01:15:28.750 --> 01:15:29.711 [Jeff Reed] Methos just shared this. 01:15:29.730 --> 01:15:38.176 [Jeff Reed] I look forward to the day when a physical church has their stream live chat projected on the sanctuary wall during the service, and the pastor acknowledges what's going on in chat. 01:15:39.296 --> 01:15:40.256 [Jeff Reed] You know, it's interesting. 01:15:40.296 --> 01:15:41.838 [Jeff Reed] I'm not going to put Arno on the spot. 01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:44.541 [Jeff Reed] Arno's actually not that far away from that, technically. 01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:45.561 [Jeff Reed] I don't know if he would do it. 01:15:46.141 --> 01:15:56.891 [Jeff Reed] Because if he's tracking notes based on time code, then chat based on the same time code probably is not that far away from a technical standpoint. 01:15:56.931 --> 01:15:59.774 [Jeff Reed] No pressure, of course, on that. 01:16:00.194 --> 01:16:02.337 [Jeff Reed] And then, do you think that idea would work? 01:16:03.257 --> 01:16:07.484 [Jeff Reed] Do you think putting, I'm sorry, I'll come back to you. 01:16:09.006 --> 01:16:13.313 [Jeff Reed] Putting chat, what's your thoughts on, are you taking a photo of the chat right now? 01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:18.280 [Jeff Reed] Okay, all right. 01:16:35.323 --> 01:16:35.582 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 01:16:41.046 --> 01:16:41.506 [Jeff Reed] There you go. 01:16:48.350 --> 01:16:48.591 [Jeff Reed] Uh-huh. 01:16:53.514 --> 01:16:54.434 [Jeff Reed] Her chatting together. 01:16:57.796 --> 01:16:58.076 [Jeff Reed] Yes. 01:17:03.859 --> 01:17:04.060 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 01:17:07.970 --> 01:17:08.189 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 01:17:21.891 --> 01:17:22.051 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 01:17:22.792 --> 01:17:23.632 [Jeff Reed] I mean, I'll back that. 01:17:24.233 --> 01:17:25.033 [Jeff Reed] I will. 01:17:25.234 --> 01:17:26.533 [Jeff Reed] I've said that for years. 01:17:26.635 --> 01:17:39.001 [Jeff Reed] I never understood why some of the other solutions, like if you could bring chat to people in the room where they could asynchronously text each other, I think that's a huge win. 01:17:39.501 --> 01:17:40.442 [Jeff Reed] Methos agrees. 01:17:41.021 --> 01:17:42.082 [Jeff Reed] Methos is a... 01:17:43.023 --> 01:17:47.904 [Jeff Reed] He's a Twitch guy, so he's wanting the boom, boom, boom, boom, boom chat, Twitch chat. 01:17:48.204 --> 01:17:52.367 [Jeff Reed] I like that in the room and outside the room, but I still want my pastor tied into the booth. 01:17:52.646 --> 01:17:58.429 [Jeff Reed] And I think that would, if I was communicating on a regular basis, I would be that guy. 01:17:59.168 --> 01:18:03.292 [Jeff Reed] Just because I'm wired that way to tie into people with the chat. 01:18:03.891 --> 01:18:10.377 [Jeff Reed] But you've got to trust the producer in the back of the room to be like, only put the good ones up there. 01:18:10.737 --> 01:18:11.818 [Jeff Reed] But they're writing the software. 01:18:11.898 --> 01:18:14.220 [Jeff Reed] I mean, I don't think it would be that hard. 01:18:14.300 --> 01:18:15.860 [Jeff Reed] There's another post here. 01:18:15.921 --> 01:18:17.181 [Jeff Reed] I put this up briefly earlier. 01:18:18.323 --> 01:18:18.542 [Jeff Reed] M.L. 01:18:18.582 --> 01:18:22.966 [Jeff Reed] Pratt, Kingdom Spaces will help bridge between physical and digital church. 01:18:22.985 --> 01:18:29.851 [Jeff Reed] And I think, in summarization, that's it, where you've got an opportunity. 01:18:30.693 --> 01:18:39.300 [Jeff Reed] Churches so often today in 2026 are just doing it because they did it in COVID, and why not? 01:18:39.420 --> 01:18:41.141 [Jeff Reed] It's like turning on the sprinkler system. 01:18:42.082 --> 01:18:44.386 [Jeff Reed] And hopefully it'll turn the grass green. 01:18:45.387 --> 01:18:51.777 [Jeff Reed] But instead of what they do physically, there's more intentionality towards it. 01:18:52.463 --> 01:19:03.792 [Jeff Reed] And so I've always been a fan of churches being intentional towards discipleship in digital spaces, intentional with what we're doing online. 01:19:04.792 --> 01:19:12.216 [Jeff Reed] And it's funny, like you said the line, when you said that smaller churches should walk, not even say small churches, I'm sorry, I don't want to put words in your mouth. 01:19:12.237 --> 01:19:13.899 [Jeff Reed] That was not what you were saying. 01:19:13.958 --> 01:19:16.761 [Jeff Reed] You were saying like, if all you're doing is broadcasting, don't broadcast. 01:19:17.001 --> 01:19:19.101 [Jeff Reed] Like if there's no intentionality, if there's no why. 01:19:20.563 --> 01:19:28.530 [Jeff Reed] You know, there's a pastor here, oh my gosh, I just blanked on his name, Mosaic in Los Angeles. 01:19:29.252 --> 01:19:31.234 [Jeff Reed] I totally had this quote in my head. 01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:36.621 [Jeff Reed] Mosaic in Los Angeles. 01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:37.983 [Jeff Reed] Somebody out there has got to know this. 01:19:38.443 --> 01:19:38.963 [Jeff Reed] It's killing me. 01:19:38.984 --> 01:19:40.104 [Jeff Reed] I can't think of the guy's name. 01:19:40.484 --> 01:19:54.498 [Jeff Reed] But he has said, he's like, if the only thing you care about is getting people in the building, like if that's your success metric, then don't stream online. 01:19:55.220 --> 01:19:56.720 [Jeff Reed] Because if you stream online... 01:19:57.641 --> 01:19:58.662 [Jeff Reed] It's taking away. 01:19:58.722 --> 01:20:04.345 [Jeff Reed] You will always feel cheated because your success metric of butts in seats is not happening. 01:20:05.505 --> 01:20:07.065 [Jeff Reed] Now, and I agree with him. 01:20:07.485 --> 01:20:12.287 [Jeff Reed] You know, the church I attended for years, they just had their five-year anniversary. 01:20:12.948 --> 01:20:18.750 [Jeff Reed] And four years of my church went through, my church went through not streaming. 01:20:19.990 --> 01:20:25.435 [Jeff Reed] in many reasons, because the lead pastor did have that feeling of, hey, you know what? 01:20:25.635 --> 01:20:29.158 [Jeff Reed] I really, as a small church, I really want people in the building. 01:20:29.578 --> 01:20:32.640 [Jeff Reed] And so, like for him, he didn't want to do anything online. 01:20:33.221 --> 01:20:40.207 [Jeff Reed] Now, the thing I love about my pastor was he didn't do the service online, but there were other things that he did. 01:20:40.967 --> 01:20:53.430 [Jeff Reed] And I think that's the challenge, is even if you are the church that's like, hey, I don't want to broadcast services, there's still things that you can do with digital to strengthen the physical relationships. 01:20:54.310 --> 01:21:08.792 [Jeff Reed] And so, you know, even if you're not going to broadcast a Sunday morning service, there's value in some of the things within the platform of what he's offering, because a church is not the day that church becomes Sunday night, really. 01:21:09.453 --> 01:21:18.481 [Jeff Reed] in today's culture, the day that church becomes Sunday 9 to 10 a.m. is the day that church is irrelevant across the planet. 01:21:18.582 --> 01:21:29.072 [Jeff Reed] Church is so much more, and we're called to be so much more than just that literal one hour on Sunday, and I feel like we have forgotten that. 01:21:29.591 --> 01:21:33.274 [Jeff Reed] Okay, Methos, I'm going to do one more here for you, and then I'm going to walk away. 01:21:34.774 --> 01:21:40.979 [Jeff Reed] With AI for AutoMod now, it might be practical used to keep it clean. 01:21:41.500 --> 01:21:46.182 [Jeff Reed] I don't remember the context of when that popped up, but hey, thanks for sharing. 01:21:46.222 --> 01:21:49.204 [Jeff Reed] That probably made sense six minutes ago when it came up on the screen. 01:21:49.244 --> 01:21:52.766 [Jeff Reed] I apologize for ignoring it and going through it. 01:21:53.707 --> 01:21:56.554 [Jeff Reed] Man, hey, Arno, man, it's always great to hang out with you. 01:21:56.594 --> 01:21:56.954 [Jeff Reed] Love you. 01:21:57.354 --> 01:22:03.207 [Jeff Reed] As we're landing the plane here, man, any questions or any closing thoughts? 01:22:23.987 --> 01:22:24.172 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 01:23:14.815 --> 01:23:15.015 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 01:23:36.194 --> 01:23:43.157 [Jeff Reed] Digital, I mean, digital is going to influence and disciple your people to do something. 01:23:43.396 --> 01:23:49.917 [Jeff Reed] It's just whether or not the church is the voice they're listening to or if it's other voices. 01:23:50.377 --> 01:23:52.259 [Jeff Reed] I actually had a pastor tell me that recently. 01:23:52.838 --> 01:23:55.078 [Jeff Reed] Digital is going to disciple my people to do something. 01:23:55.139 --> 01:24:01.541 [Jeff Reed] I just want to be the voice that's doing it as opposed to something else that the world will influence in. 01:24:02.240 --> 01:24:05.761 [Jeff Reed] And I think what you hit is spot on there. 01:24:06.261 --> 01:24:13.208 [Jeff Reed] Well, Arno, you can check out the website for his platform at kingdom.online. 01:24:13.729 --> 01:24:19.854 [Jeff Reed] Kingdom Spaces is the name of the platform, but go to www.kingdom.online. 01:24:20.055 --> 01:24:24.578 [Jeff Reed] Arno, your contact information's on that website as well if people want to follow up with you. 01:24:27.301 --> 01:24:27.582 [Jeff Reed] Awesome. 01:24:32.670 --> 01:24:32.989 [Jeff Reed] Awesome. 01:24:33.029 --> 01:24:40.716 [Jeff Reed] And we've got to get you connected with Jason Morris so the two of you can send a selfie from somewhere in South Africa here next week. 01:24:41.315 --> 01:24:41.615 [Jeff Reed] Awesome. 01:24:41.716 --> 01:24:44.457 [Jeff Reed] Well, Arno, thank you very much for hanging out. 01:24:44.478 --> 01:24:46.279 [Jeff Reed] And everybody else, we're going to wrap. 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:48.280 [Jeff Reed] No, my pleasure. 01:24:48.301 --> 01:24:50.002 [Jeff Reed] And so thanks for watching The Church Digital. 01:24:50.042 --> 01:24:52.764 [Jeff Reed] Next week is Town Hall. 01:24:53.664 --> 01:24:54.845 [Jeff Reed] This time next week. 01:24:55.485 --> 01:24:56.987 [Jeff Reed] We'll be wrapping up on that. 01:24:57.087 --> 01:25:06.890 [Jeff Reed] Check out the church.digital slash town hall for more information on that and the church.digital slash survey to get on the survey and get your information in. 01:25:07.250 --> 01:25:08.250 [Jeff Reed] All right, thanks everybody. 01:25:08.609 --> 01:25:09.070 [Jeff Reed] Have a good one. 01:25:12.652 --> 01:25:12.952 [Jeff Reed] Awesome. 01:25:13.072 --> 01:25:14.511 [Jeff Reed] Hey, Arno, you should be back. 01:25:14.853 --> 01:25:15.733 [Jeff Reed] Give me a second.