WEBVTT 00:00:02.565 --> 00:00:02.906 [Jeff Reed] Awesome. 00:00:03.126 --> 00:00:08.749 [Jeff Reed] Hey, and we're live because I totally clicked the wrong button in doing that. 00:00:08.788 --> 00:00:10.509 [Jeff Reed] Hey, welcome to The Church Digital. 00:00:11.250 --> 00:00:14.451 [Jeff Reed] Becoming The Church Digital, episode 377. 00:00:14.910 --> 00:00:20.672 [Jeff Reed] I was trying, we're a little late, a little hectic this morning, kind of running in to get this stream going. 00:00:20.974 --> 00:00:24.934 [Jeff Reed] And I was trying to offline a conversation with J-Mo right before we get on the stream. 00:00:24.954 --> 00:00:25.535 [Jeff Reed] Hey, everybody. 00:00:26.175 --> 00:00:30.016 [Jeff Reed] And honest to God, I thought I right clicked on something. 00:00:30.396 --> 00:00:31.817 [Jeff Reed] And instead, I guess I clicked on it. 00:00:32.357 --> 00:00:57.688 [Jeff Reed] because it just went live uh and and so uh forgive the awkward entity here as we're getting started in the show but it's been that kind of day uh jason it's not even like it's 10 a.m like it's great um eastern what what uh i mean just you are you good for like an hour end at the top of the hour perfect awesome well hey you know what jason's actually uh has been traveling around here oh you know what you're not even on the screen 00:00:58.368 --> 00:01:00.389 [Jeff Reed] Let me put the layer on. 00:01:01.749 --> 00:01:05.209 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, like I said, man, it has been that kind of day. 00:01:05.290 --> 00:01:06.430 [Jeff Reed] I think this one I'll put you on. 00:01:06.971 --> 00:01:07.411 [Jeff Reed] Okay, there you go. 00:01:07.430 --> 00:01:13.593 [Jeff Reed] There's Jason doing good, sipping his matcha tea first thing in the morning. 00:01:13.933 --> 00:01:21.436 [Jeff Reed] If it's two things I can count on, it's Jason Morris being on time and Jason Morris sipping a matcha tea while being on time. 00:01:21.516 --> 00:01:22.596 [Jeff Reed] So very good. 00:01:22.635 --> 00:01:26.957 [Jeff Reed] Hey, so anyway, excited to have Jason Morris on the stream. 00:01:28.278 --> 00:01:33.680 [Jeff Reed] I kind of rushed this at the last minute and packed it in because he's going to be traveling for a couple weeks. 00:01:34.060 --> 00:01:38.882 [Jeff Reed] And so we'd love to even just catch us up with life here as we're getting started. 00:01:39.581 --> 00:01:44.203 [Jeff Reed] Jason, if you don't know Jason, J-Mo, Jason Morris, is our Equipping and Mobilization Director. 00:01:44.882 --> 00:01:52.646 [Jeff Reed] And it's really EDM, a lot of the things that we've done in the past with equipping and empowering digital missionaries globally. 00:01:52.706 --> 00:01:55.007 [Jeff Reed] Jason's been the behind-the-scenes architect of. 00:01:55.066 --> 00:01:55.887 [Jeff Reed] And so honored... 00:01:56.367 --> 00:01:57.567 [Jeff Reed] to be working with him. 00:01:57.668 --> 00:02:01.509 [Jeff Reed] Happy to have him jump on, be part of the church digital ministry. 00:02:01.629 --> 00:02:03.969 [Jeff Reed] And also, you know, that we're able to grab some time this morning. 00:02:04.430 --> 00:02:06.870 [Jeff Reed] But Jason, catch us up on life, man. 00:02:06.950 --> 00:02:07.730 [Jeff Reed] What's been going on? 00:02:18.254 --> 00:02:18.495 [Jeff Reed] Uh-huh. 00:02:41.300 --> 00:02:41.532 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:03:15.514 --> 00:03:15.848 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:03:58.937 --> 00:04:09.500 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:04:49.461 --> 00:04:50.002 [Jeff Reed] Unpack that. 00:04:50.021 --> 00:04:50.822 [Jeff Reed] Let's hear that. 00:05:00.283 --> 00:05:00.463 [Jeff Reed] Hmm. 00:05:42.103 --> 00:05:42.423 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:06:16.677 --> 00:06:16.937 [Jeff Reed] Right. 00:06:20.620 --> 00:06:20.879 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:06:37.447 --> 00:06:37.646 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:06:47.552 --> 00:06:47.793 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:06:54.238 --> 00:06:54.439 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:07:09.891 --> 00:07:10.211 [Jeff Reed] Mm hmm. 00:07:22.531 --> 00:07:22.752 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:08:08.247 --> 00:08:09.290 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, all nations. 00:08:10.913 --> 00:08:11.113 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:08:12.757 --> 00:08:12.939 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:08:50.850 --> 00:08:51.130 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:14.799 [Jeff Reed] Right. 00:09:20.027 --> 00:09:20.206 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:09:21.227 --> 00:09:33.255 [Jeff Reed] Because we're undervaluing, it's not the right word, but we're not putting the emphasis on proximity that the Church does within the... What's the gathering? 00:09:33.275 --> 00:09:37.038 [Jeff Reed] The ekklesia, the gathering of that in the Greek. 00:09:37.158 --> 00:09:43.923 [Jeff Reed] And so we have much more of a diasporatic, I'm using words I don't fully understand, but much more of a sent... 00:09:44.384 --> 00:09:46.245 [Jeff Reed] type of view, Acts 8, Acts 16. 00:09:46.465 --> 00:09:48.945 [Jeff Reed] I'm going to cut you off real here because I like this quote here. 00:09:48.965 --> 00:09:51.426 [Jeff Reed] I'm going to pop it up on the screen if I can. 00:09:52.145 --> 00:09:52.626 [Jeff Reed] There you go. 00:09:53.086 --> 00:09:54.106 [Jeff Reed] We got Lexi here. 00:09:54.826 --> 00:09:56.408 [Jeff Reed] Pioneer ministry here in England. 00:09:56.427 --> 00:09:57.307 [Jeff Reed] Lexi's a great guy. 00:09:58.107 --> 00:10:00.229 [Jeff Reed] What grows a culture and community? 00:10:00.269 --> 00:10:01.048 [Jeff Reed] Consistency. 00:10:01.109 --> 00:10:06.591 [Jeff Reed] Showing up at the allotted time and sticking to it weekly and bi-weekly. 00:10:06.650 --> 00:10:09.971 [Jeff Reed] So Lexi, thanks for sharing that. 00:10:10.052 --> 00:10:10.172 [Jeff Reed] But 00:10:10.652 --> 00:10:16.134 [Jeff Reed] It's it's it's really it's it's re estimating and relearning and reestablishing. 00:10:17.414 --> 00:10:20.157 [Jeff Reed] This is what I've struggled with, you know, in the past. 00:10:20.177 --> 00:10:21.798 [Jeff Reed] Let's just call it the past six months. 00:10:21.817 --> 00:10:24.719 [Jeff Reed] I actually was texting. 00:10:24.778 --> 00:10:25.599 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, flat cap. 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:27.740 [Jeff Reed] I speak of reactionary proximity. 00:10:27.760 --> 00:10:28.360 [Jeff Reed] That's interesting. 00:10:28.380 --> 00:10:29.020 [Jeff Reed] We want to unpack that. 00:10:29.400 --> 00:10:31.042 [Jeff Reed] But I just just real quick. 00:10:31.062 --> 00:10:33.342 [Jeff Reed] I was texting Andy this morning and he's like, hey, how's it going? 00:10:33.363 --> 00:10:36.504 [Jeff Reed] We were updating, kind of talking through some things, do that periodically. 00:10:37.205 --> 00:10:38.966 [Jeff Reed] And I was like, you know what? 00:10:39.066 --> 00:10:55.277 [Jeff Reed] I just, as a church employee, I make a horrible church employee, and I don't know if it's because I think more missionally versus the gathering, the ecclesia, the church culture. 00:10:56.177 --> 00:11:07.168 [Jeff Reed] I'm thinking more of breaking, what are we not doing in that, the separating, the diasporatic, the sending, whereas the church is more about the gathering, that event. 00:11:07.729 --> 00:11:12.373 [Jeff Reed] And it really makes me uncomfortable in those environments. 00:11:12.413 --> 00:11:15.817 [Jeff Reed] And I'm not judging my church friends, my church staff people. 00:11:16.736 --> 00:11:19.759 [Jeff Reed] they have a calling, they have a purpose, and God's using that. 00:11:20.220 --> 00:11:25.004 [Jeff Reed] It's just weird where it's like, I don't think like they think. 00:11:25.683 --> 00:11:37.033 [Jeff Reed] And it's put me in very hard spots because I'm challenging them to think different, and they're wanting me to think different, and it's made this awkward tension between that. 00:11:37.052 --> 00:11:38.013 [Jeff Reed] I don't know, does that relate? 00:11:38.033 --> 00:11:39.774 [Jeff Reed] You spend some time in church staff. 00:11:39.794 --> 00:11:41.355 [Jeff Reed] Do you reconcile in that? 00:11:51.317 --> 00:11:52.937 [Jeff Reed] Of course, 100%. 00:11:52.957 --> 00:11:53.057 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:12:34.702 --> 00:12:34.982 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:13:05.043 --> 00:13:09.326 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:13:27.738 --> 00:13:27.977 [Jeff Reed] Sure. 00:14:48.481 --> 00:14:48.682 [Jeff Reed] Right. 00:14:49.182 --> 00:14:49.442 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:14:51.823 --> 00:14:53.445 [Jeff Reed] I do think... Go ahead. 00:14:53.485 --> 00:14:53.965 [Jeff Reed] Go, go, go. 00:14:53.985 --> 00:14:54.304 [Jeff Reed] Wrap up. 00:15:04.138 --> 00:15:04.298 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:15:35.101 --> 00:15:36.982 [Jeff Reed] I feel you on that. 00:15:37.523 --> 00:15:43.085 [Jeff Reed] But it's interesting, even getting back to the missional mindset of it. 00:15:43.264 --> 00:15:47.047 [Jeff Reed] It's been an interesting shift within the church digital within the past couple of years. 00:15:47.626 --> 00:15:56.429 [Jeff Reed] And you were part of that impetus where we started shifting away from digital church because of the... And I don't want to say because of the... 00:15:58.750 --> 00:16:01.893 [Jeff Reed] the disruptive nature of the church digitally. 00:16:02.333 --> 00:16:11.058 [Jeff Reed] But really, there was this opportunity with missionaries in general to try to help people start to think more missionally towards that. 00:16:12.980 --> 00:16:20.004 [Jeff Reed] Looking at this conference that you were at, you pitched the idea of platforms as places. 00:16:21.164 --> 00:16:25.447 [Jeff Reed] which is a disruptive idea in the church world, 100%. 00:16:26.307 --> 00:16:30.571 [Jeff Reed] It's a disruptive idea, I think, in the missional world. 00:16:30.971 --> 00:16:35.073 [Jeff Reed] You've platformed platforms as places through the church digital. 00:16:36.293 --> 00:16:37.995 [Jeff Reed] I've just happened to have it right here. 00:16:38.054 --> 00:16:43.979 [Jeff Reed] I've got Sam's book, very thick book here, Platforms as Nations. 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:46.080 [Jeff Reed] That's awesome. 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:47.441 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:16:51.381 --> 00:16:52.322 [Jeff Reed] Do you have that? 00:16:52.442 --> 00:16:53.063 [Jeff Reed] I'm curious. 00:16:53.183 --> 00:16:56.267 [Jeff Reed] What other books would you put in that missiological staircase? 00:17:00.691 --> 00:17:01.772 [Jeff Reed] Just rattle it off. 00:17:01.812 --> 00:17:02.452 [Jeff Reed] We'll include it. 00:17:06.376 --> 00:17:07.217 [Jeff Reed] I put you on the spot. 00:17:07.238 --> 00:17:07.837 [Jeff Reed] I'm sorry, man. 00:17:16.666 --> 00:17:17.126 [Jeff Reed] Interesting. 00:17:20.885 --> 00:17:21.066 [Jeff Reed] Yep. 00:17:23.448 --> 00:17:23.647 [Jeff Reed] Yep. 00:17:28.271 --> 00:17:28.992 [Jeff Reed] I don't know that one. 00:17:29.232 --> 00:17:33.596 [Jeff Reed] Interesting. 00:17:43.204 --> 00:17:43.664 [Jeff Reed] Interesting. 00:17:57.567 --> 00:17:58.147 [Jeff Reed] Of the church. 00:18:00.048 --> 00:18:00.269 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:18:12.172 --> 00:18:12.792 [Jeff Reed] It's a cousin. 00:18:13.692 --> 00:18:13.913 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:18:20.454 --> 00:18:20.654 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:18:24.016 --> 00:18:24.195 [Jeff Reed] Right. 00:18:28.420 --> 00:18:34.063 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, the algorithms force affinity in digital space, so it's easy to kind of lump it together. 00:18:34.482 --> 00:18:35.782 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, no, I feel that from you. 00:18:45.788 --> 00:18:45.988 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:18:59.944 --> 00:19:00.144 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:19:00.905 --> 00:19:01.105 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:19:14.634 --> 00:19:14.855 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:19:16.096 --> 00:19:16.576 [Jeff Reed] You know, it's... 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:34.839 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:19:35.220 --> 00:19:35.881 [Jeff Reed] It's interesting. 00:19:35.901 --> 00:19:43.925 [Jeff Reed] You put Nona Jones and Dave Adamson as part of the early steps on that. 00:19:43.986 --> 00:19:48.650 [Jeff Reed] They were pretty radical compared to what at least Dave's been talking about in his book. 00:19:48.730 --> 00:19:51.511 [Jeff Reed] Nona, I think, probably was a little before his time. 00:19:51.571 --> 00:19:57.296 [Jeff Reed] But each one of those ideas and philosophies were a, I will agree, it was a stepping stone. 00:19:57.996 --> 00:19:58.696 [Jeff Reed] to where we are now. 00:19:58.737 --> 00:20:00.738 [Jeff Reed] You didn't mention one of my books, but that's okay. 00:20:00.778 --> 00:20:02.759 [Jeff Reed] I still love you. 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:10.026 [Jeff Reed] I know in your heart, it was, no, I'm not at all taking that personal, not at all, but it's okay. 00:20:10.066 --> 00:20:11.007 [Jeff Reed] It's good. 00:20:11.406 --> 00:20:19.452 [Jeff Reed] It's interesting though, you know, the idea, so you pitch this to, you're at this conference, you pitch the idea of Platforms as Places. 00:20:19.513 --> 00:20:25.657 [Jeff Reed] Now, I'm curious because a lot of our people are looking, you know, have exposure to the church world. 00:20:26.479 --> 00:20:36.027 [Jeff Reed] A lot of the people, especially here in America, internationally, maybe a little different, but the idea of what we're doing in church space can be very discouraging. 00:20:36.288 --> 00:20:37.368 [Jeff Reed] I've lived that life. 00:20:37.528 --> 00:20:40.550 [Jeff Reed] I know we've got other people right now that are doing that. 00:20:41.152 --> 00:20:47.877 [Jeff Reed] Missionally, a lot of our people don't have exposure to the missional realm, for whatever reason, because their influence... 00:20:48.178 --> 00:20:50.058 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, so talk to me a little bit. 00:20:50.098 --> 00:20:51.000 [Jeff Reed] Like, I'm curious. 00:20:51.220 --> 00:20:54.281 [Jeff Reed] You're doing this conversation in front of, you know, however many people. 00:20:55.142 --> 00:20:56.442 [Jeff Reed] Were they like, that's awesome? 00:20:56.462 --> 00:20:58.864 [Jeff Reed] Were they like, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard? 00:20:59.324 --> 00:21:02.766 [Jeff Reed] Was it somewhere in between, argumentative, curious? 00:21:02.846 --> 00:21:04.446 [Jeff Reed] Like, what was the feel in the room? 00:21:11.250 --> 00:21:11.490 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:21:13.792 --> 00:21:14.272 [Jeff Reed] That's awesome. 00:21:21.085 --> 00:21:21.285 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:21:21.625 --> 00:21:22.884 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:22:26.843 --> 00:22:27.202 [Jeff Reed] Mm hmm. 00:22:28.644 --> 00:22:28.884 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:22:46.255 --> 00:22:46.555 [Jeff Reed] Mm hmm. 00:23:48.807 --> 00:23:49.028 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:23:53.615 --> 00:23:53.714 [Jeff Reed] 100%. 00:23:53.734 --> 00:23:53.835 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:24:40.512 --> 00:24:40.613 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:24:40.633 --> 00:24:40.712 [Jeff Reed] Hmm. 00:25:22.760 --> 00:25:22.961 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:25:33.664 --> 00:25:34.144 [Jeff Reed] Interesting. 00:25:35.865 --> 00:25:36.105 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:25:38.767 --> 00:25:38.987 [Jeff Reed] All right. 00:26:06.201 --> 00:26:06.382 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:26:08.604 --> 00:26:16.148 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:26:18.471 --> 00:26:18.770 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:26:18.851 --> 00:26:20.593 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, the way that's expected. 00:26:21.472 --> 00:26:25.135 [Jeff Reed] The model shifted a little bit, and unfortunately, some are slow to keep up. 00:26:26.856 --> 00:26:27.116 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:26:28.959 --> 00:26:29.159 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:26:42.175 --> 00:26:42.336 [Jeff Reed] Wow. 00:27:27.542 --> 00:27:27.728 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:28:26.843 --> 00:28:26.989 [Jeff Reed] Mm. 00:28:57.132 --> 00:28:57.813 [Jeff Reed] What you do with it? 00:28:57.873 --> 00:28:58.032 [Jeff Reed] Hmm. 00:29:53.805 --> 00:29:53.964 [Jeff Reed] Right. 00:30:04.955 --> 00:30:07.958 [Jeff Reed] So the average pastor, you know this, we've had this conversation before. 00:30:07.978 --> 00:30:10.339 [Jeff Reed] The average pastor, don't forsake the gathering. 00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:11.560 [Jeff Reed] What is that? 00:30:11.601 --> 00:30:14.903 [Jeff Reed] Romans, Hebrews, Hebrew something. 00:30:15.202 --> 00:30:17.805 [Jeff Reed] Like, you know, the average pastor would hear that. 00:30:18.184 --> 00:30:20.747 [Jeff Reed] That joy that we're looking for is missing. 00:30:21.067 --> 00:30:22.387 [Jeff Reed] It's gone in digital space. 00:30:22.827 --> 00:30:27.388 [Jeff Reed] The average digital missionary is going to say, that joy is here already all the time. 00:30:27.429 --> 00:30:34.810 [Jeff Reed] J-Mo, I haven't seen you physically in two years, three years. 00:30:35.010 --> 00:30:40.772 [Jeff Reed] You're probably in the top five for me of people that I'm close to physically or digitally because we... 00:30:41.512 --> 00:30:42.913 [Jeff Reed] oh my gosh, all the time. 00:30:43.453 --> 00:30:47.736 [Jeff Reed] I'm closer to you than the people that live a couple blocks away from me. 00:30:48.355 --> 00:30:54.759 [Jeff Reed] And so it's interesting how we're redefining what that joy is. 00:30:56.439 --> 00:31:05.363 [Jeff Reed] I'm just curious because what I love about you is you pull out an obscure biblical reference that I'm like, okay, let me actually look into that. 00:31:06.002 --> 00:31:09.204 [Jeff Reed] As we talk about redefining this joy away from 00:31:10.045 --> 00:31:13.949 [Jeff Reed] proximity, where it's consistency, not proximity. 00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:25.079 [Jeff Reed] Is there a biblical reference, or is there a picture, a story, or somebody that comes to mind that has... Yeah, let me hear a couple. 00:31:50.458 --> 00:31:50.657 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:32:37.921 --> 00:32:38.320 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:32:39.320 --> 00:32:39.882 [Jeff Reed] Soldier's son. 00:32:40.082 --> 00:33:05.849 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, yeah. 00:33:05.869 --> 00:33:06.089 [Jeff Reed] All right. 00:33:17.237 --> 00:33:17.356 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:34:24.789 --> 00:34:25.130 [Jeff Reed] Right. 00:34:34.894 --> 00:34:35.114 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:34:38.217 --> 00:34:50.543 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:34:54.172 --> 00:34:57.393 [Jeff Reed] What, what, what, that's historically Nicene Creed, 300 AD. 00:34:57.934 --> 00:35:07.378 [Jeff Reed] Like, I don't want to get into biblical history too much, but yeah, it's, you know, and I use words like extra biblical talking about the, you know, church and, and that people kind of freak out a little bit, but go ahead. 00:35:27.710 --> 00:35:32.876 [Jeff Reed] Right. 00:35:32.976 --> 00:35:34.018 [Jeff Reed] He still writes the letter. 00:35:34.217 --> 00:35:36.880 [Jeff Reed] I mean, I mean, it's part of me when I hear that he still writes the letter. 00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:38.483 [Jeff Reed] It's not like he's like, yeah, I'm out. 00:35:38.523 --> 00:35:40.826 [Jeff Reed] I got to be I got to be face to face to have the conversation. 00:35:42.407 --> 00:35:42.588 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:35:44.851 --> 00:35:44.990 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:36:05.887 --> 00:36:06.088 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:36:20.442 --> 00:36:20.902 [Jeff Reed] Evergreen. 00:36:21.744 --> 00:36:21.963 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:36:51.396 --> 00:36:51.818 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:37:43.809 --> 00:37:44.050 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:11.681 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, it's interesting. 00:38:11.701 --> 00:38:13.942 [Jeff Reed] The one hour a week, just even saying that. 00:38:13.963 --> 00:38:18.085 [Jeff Reed] We talked about that yesterday with Arno, kind of his take on that going beyond. 00:38:18.106 --> 00:38:21.949 [Jeff Reed] You two, you're going to get together in South Africa here in the next week or so. 00:38:21.989 --> 00:38:29.536 [Jeff Reed] But it was five loaves and two fish kind of thing where, you know, God does something incredible with nothing. 00:38:30.396 --> 00:38:59.969 [Jeff Reed] um but if we but if we oh yeah but it's like oh my gosh if we if we would give them a little more like you know you're you're in these devices eight hours a day you know we can talk about changing that culture or admitting hey we're in that eight hours a day let's let's use that for kingdom let's use a portion of that for kingdom mm-hmm yeah 00:39:02.677 --> 00:39:02.896 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:39:07.940 --> 00:39:08.260 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:39:11.001 --> 00:39:11.202 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:39:28.112 --> 00:39:28.873 [Jeff Reed] Oh my gosh, yes. 00:39:40.201 --> 00:39:40.380 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:39:41.181 --> 00:39:51.427 [Jeff Reed] And that's, I mean, that's one of the reasons, just organizationally, we're in WhatsApp, and one of the things that we want to do is even draw more international fields. 00:39:51.487 --> 00:39:52.128 [Jeff Reed] Interesting. 00:39:52.668 --> 00:39:56.871 [Jeff Reed] One of the questions, we've got a survey right now out, the church.digital slash survey. 00:39:56.891 --> 00:40:00.512 [Jeff Reed] We've had maybe 40 people have chimed in on the survey. 00:40:00.532 --> 00:40:05.255 [Jeff Reed] We do it three or four times a year in frequency and just trying to get a pulse on where everybody's at. 00:40:05.976 --> 00:40:15.661 [Jeff Reed] But one of the questions, just bluntly, and it's one of the questions I struggle with, is do you feel like the church digital is too much American-influenced? 00:40:16.081 --> 00:40:18.864 [Jeff Reed] Or how much American-influenced do you feel through the church digital? 00:40:19.643 --> 00:40:22.545 [Jeff Reed] And 50% said it's okay. 00:40:23.025 --> 00:40:30.590 [Jeff Reed] 40% of the people who responded said they felt like it was moderate, like there was American influence, but it wasn't bad. 00:40:32.510 --> 00:40:34.713 [Jeff Reed] But even that was like, oh my gosh, there's so much 00:40:36.634 --> 00:40:41.996 [Jeff Reed] We're a bunch, you know, Jason on the screen, we're two bald guys with beards. 00:40:42.416 --> 00:40:57.666 [Jeff Reed] We're two gringos, you know, and it's like culturally, like I just, I would love, like we're running, almost out of desperation I'm saying this, we're running WhatsApp, but collectively, I don't know how to run a WhatsApp community, you know, and so I'm faking it. 00:40:58.507 --> 00:41:11.271 [Jeff Reed] almost till I make it, praying that we'll find some people that'll buy in, that'll own the vision to engage with people globally, internationally, through these digital channels. 00:41:11.391 --> 00:41:14.293 [Jeff Reed] It's just an incredible opportunity right now. 00:41:14.552 --> 00:41:15.614 [Jeff Reed] We're looking for it bluntly. 00:41:15.653 --> 00:41:18.855 [Jeff Reed] Sorry to sidetrack on that. 00:41:20.655 --> 00:41:21.715 [Jeff Reed] It's on my heart right now. 00:41:21.775 --> 00:41:30.119 [Jeff Reed] Honestly, if I got three positions right now, I would bring on for volunteer leader and WhatsApp community director. 00:41:30.139 --> 00:41:31.860 [Jeff Reed] I actually is one of them. 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.081 [Jeff Reed] Man, what else is going on in your life? 00:41:36.121 --> 00:41:37.541 [Jeff Reed] What can we talk about here? 00:41:46.945 --> 00:41:47.125 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:42:09.769 --> 00:42:10.170 [Jeff Reed] Interesting. 00:42:22.090 --> 00:42:22.438 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:43:00.788 --> 00:43:01.313 [Jeff Reed] Interesting. 00:43:37.494 --> 00:43:39.034 [Jeff Reed] Those words don't go together well. 00:43:39.054 --> 00:43:40.135 [Jeff Reed] That always freaks people out. 00:43:40.195 --> 00:43:42.976 [Jeff Reed] Church and digital, what? 00:43:59.545 --> 00:43:59.786 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:44:06.250 --> 00:44:06.469 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:44:47.916 --> 00:44:48.356 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:44:57.101 --> 00:44:57.320 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:45:01.023 --> 00:45:04.284 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, so at least you put a global context, a national. 00:45:08.626 --> 00:45:08.865 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:45:34.306 --> 00:45:34.867 [Jeff Reed] Interesting. 00:45:44.175 --> 00:45:44.436 [Jeff Reed] Wow. 00:45:53.762 --> 00:46:19.152 [Jeff Reed] yeah yeah yeah 00:46:44.184 --> 00:46:49.128 [Jeff Reed] yes we've had him on we've had Apologist on yeah 00:47:08.168 --> 00:47:08.568 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:47:16.413 --> 00:47:19.213 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:47:19.233 --> 00:47:19.454 [Jeff Reed] Sure. 00:47:22.996 --> 00:47:23.195 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:47:23.996 --> 00:47:24.777 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:47:24.916 --> 00:47:25.878 [Jeff Reed] I'd love a conversation. 00:47:25.898 --> 00:47:26.458 [Jeff Reed] Where is it? 00:47:26.538 --> 00:47:29.579 [Jeff Reed] Is it, you know, this, hey, go blow this guy up. 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.802 [Jeff Reed] No, but Barney, B-A-R-N-E-Y dot A-I, like what's the website? 00:47:32.822 --> 00:47:33.202 [Jeff Reed] Do you remember? 00:47:41.286 --> 00:47:44.847 [Jeff Reed] B-A-R-N-E. Mission hasn't changed. 00:47:44.887 --> 00:47:45.528 [Jeff Reed] The world has. 00:47:45.909 --> 00:47:46.389 [Jeff Reed] Interesting. 00:47:46.728 --> 00:47:48.230 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, I'll take a look at this. 00:47:48.269 --> 00:47:48.849 [Jeff Reed] It's interesting. 00:47:48.869 --> 00:47:50.471 [Jeff Reed] I'm all about market research. 00:47:51.451 --> 00:47:51.650 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:47:51.951 --> 00:47:52.090 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:23.980 [Jeff Reed] Mm-hmm. 00:48:59.762 --> 00:49:00.001 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:49:13.246 --> 00:49:13.447 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:49:30.876 --> 00:49:31.079 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:49:31.990 --> 00:49:32.112 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:49:41.010 --> 00:49:51.315 [Jeff Reed] It's, yeah, the idea of, it's funny, even with the AI, I've started moving towards that more of specialized and training agents to do specific things, specific tasks. 00:49:51.516 --> 00:50:04.561 [Jeff Reed] And in the conversation yesterday, I was like, yeah, I've got, honestly, I've got probably 25 agents that I'm, just the way I'm not an AI expert at all, but I've got 25 that it's like, you do this one thing, and if I need it done, I'm coming to you. 00:50:04.681 --> 00:50:07.882 [Jeff Reed] And that really has brought the overall burndown 00:50:08.483 --> 00:50:10.903 [Jeff Reed] And I will say this just in complimentary. 00:50:12.184 --> 00:50:23.967 [Jeff Reed] If you're not a missionary using AI, it's like, okay, token burns one thing, but token burns less than you actually doing the work in training another person. 00:50:24.027 --> 00:50:26.788 [Jeff Reed] Like the multiplicative opportunities of AI, 00:50:28.268 --> 00:50:32.474 [Jeff Reed] You know, like, you know, I burn through $200 a month on AI regularly. 00:50:32.554 --> 00:50:37.481 [Jeff Reed] I'm at a max level individual, you know, on nonprofits and other organizations. 00:50:37.541 --> 00:50:40.344 [Jeff Reed] But like $200 a month is one thing. 00:50:40.364 --> 00:50:42.186 [Jeff Reed] But the impact of what that $200 a month is doing. 00:50:45.411 --> 00:50:48.934 [Jeff Reed] No offense to the working culture in America and all that. 00:50:49.014 --> 00:50:56.300 [Jeff Reed] I know I'm probably a villain by saying this, but I'd have to hire two or three people to do what this AI is doing at nothing. 00:50:56.320 --> 00:51:04.509 [Jeff Reed] And on a missionary salary, my gosh, the power that you've got by endorsing and embracing some of these ideas is incredible. 00:51:06.070 --> 00:51:08.510 [Jeff Reed] Man, hey, so two things as we're wrapping up. 00:51:08.710 --> 00:51:11.032 [Jeff Reed] One, I want to give you the opportunity to land the plane. 00:51:11.152 --> 00:51:13.434 [Jeff Reed] Two, I actually want to get another recording from you. 00:51:13.713 --> 00:51:14.873 [Jeff Reed] We're going to just do it on the stream. 00:51:14.893 --> 00:51:21.398 [Jeff Reed] It'll be fun because I know you're leaving town next week and next week we're doing a town hall and I'd love to have you talk a little bit. 00:51:22.137 --> 00:51:23.679 [Jeff Reed] and I want to play it back. 00:51:23.998 --> 00:51:26.119 [Jeff Reed] I want to have you talk about, what was it? 00:51:26.699 --> 00:51:28.581 [Jeff Reed] The listening tour. 00:51:28.641 --> 00:51:33.704 [Jeff Reed] Why it's important for us to hear from missionaries to come and do part of the listening tour. 00:51:33.724 --> 00:51:39.427 [Jeff Reed] So let's land the plane on this conversation, and then we'll just stop and then go over to the next thing. 00:51:40.327 --> 00:51:41.827 [Jeff Reed] You're just trying to squeeze it in, man. 00:51:41.867 --> 00:51:42.168 [Jeff Reed] Love you. 00:51:42.188 --> 00:51:44.309 [Jeff Reed] Thanks for the time with doing this today, man. 00:51:44.329 --> 00:51:44.748 [Jeff Reed] It's great. 00:51:44.789 --> 00:51:49.871 [Jeff Reed] But as we're landing the plane on this conversation, any other thoughts or questions? 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:35.711 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:52:37.952 --> 00:52:38.213 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:52:59.384 --> 00:53:04.856 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:53:08.704 --> 00:53:09.344 [Jeff Reed] It's interesting. 00:53:11.726 --> 00:53:23.335 [Jeff Reed] it's easy, and I've been guilty of this over the years, of where it's like, okay, the spiritual disciplines in that situation, prayer walking, that doesn't exist in digital space, so I can just phone it in. 00:53:23.775 --> 00:53:24.215 [Jeff Reed] It does. 00:53:24.795 --> 00:53:25.976 [Jeff Reed] And that's where it's... 00:53:26.036 --> 00:53:26.478 [Jeff Reed] I'm guilty. 00:53:26.518 --> 00:53:27.398 [Jeff Reed] I've done that in the past. 00:53:27.637 --> 00:53:28.539 [Jeff Reed] I'll admit that. 00:53:28.918 --> 00:53:39.226 [Jeff Reed] But to say it does, as a matter of fact, it's a little harder because you have to take some of these physical concepts and you're going to have to adapt it in the digital realm. 00:53:39.387 --> 00:53:39.606 [Jeff Reed] So... 00:53:39.987 --> 00:53:43.130 [Jeff Reed] Like, how do you can, I can walk my neighborhood for an hour. 00:53:43.809 --> 00:53:46.371 [Jeff Reed] How do you actually walk Facebook for an hour? 00:53:46.472 --> 00:53:49.315 [Jeff Reed] How do you walk, you know, video game? 00:53:49.355 --> 00:53:52.177 [Jeff Reed] How do you walk Final Fantasy Metaverse? 00:53:52.496 --> 00:53:54.077 [Jeff Reed] How do you walk TikTok for an hour? 00:53:54.298 --> 00:53:55.920 [Jeff Reed] What is that, doom scrolling? 00:53:55.940 --> 00:53:59.463 [Jeff Reed] What does prayer look like for you in that context? 00:53:59.523 --> 00:54:00.764 [Jeff Reed] This is not discouraging. 00:54:01.985 --> 00:54:02.224 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:54:11.507 --> 00:54:11.728 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:54:22.436 --> 00:54:22.677 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:54:28.340 --> 00:54:28.561 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:54:29.302 --> 00:54:41.150 [Jeff Reed] Man, that, it's... Yeah. 00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:49.099 [Jeff Reed] Yep. 00:54:50.501 --> 00:54:50.681 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:54:51.601 --> 00:54:52.081 [Jeff Reed] It's funny. 00:54:52.402 --> 00:54:56.244 [Jeff Reed] We were talking about this prayer walk right here and doom scrolling, prayer scrolling. 00:54:56.284 --> 00:54:58.585 [Jeff Reed] Stacey pops on and says, yes, prayer scrolling. 00:54:58.606 --> 00:55:08.132 [Jeff Reed] Stacey, I'm glad you're listening right now because when Jason gets back, I want the three of us, Jason, you and me, Stacey, to get on a stream and actually have that conversation. 00:55:08.652 --> 00:55:14.737 [Jeff Reed] What does prayer scrolling, what does prayer walking, how do you do that in digital space? 00:55:14.817 --> 00:55:16.657 [Jeff Reed] I think that is a... 00:55:17.237 --> 00:55:19.880 [Jeff Reed] entire conversation right there, an entire stream. 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.862 [Jeff Reed] And I'd love, yeah, she's all about that. 00:55:21.963 --> 00:55:27.648 [Jeff Reed] Chaplain Stacey Knapp coming in from the outside, preaching, start with prayer. 00:55:28.130 --> 00:55:29.070 [Jeff Reed] Lexi listening as well. 00:55:29.090 --> 00:55:29.451 [Jeff Reed] Hey, man. 00:55:31.315 --> 00:55:31.615 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:55:32.175 --> 00:55:32.655 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:55:32.956 --> 00:55:33.436 [Jeff Reed] I love it. 00:55:33.577 --> 00:55:39.137 [Jeff Reed] So, hey, we're going to we're going to land the plane on this and I'm going to keep streaming because I got to record the second half. 00:55:39.577 --> 00:55:42.619 [Jeff Reed] Maybe just like Jason, I maybe like need three more minutes and I can let you go. 00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:43.679 [Jeff Reed] We OK with that time wise? 00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:44.159 [Jeff Reed] All right. 00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:46.880 [Jeff Reed] Hey, so we're going to land the plane here on 377. 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:53.021 [Jeff Reed] Jason, as always, man, like what's what's the what's the guy, the most interesting man? 00:55:53.061 --> 00:55:54.362 [Jeff Reed] It's like a beer commercial. 00:55:54.382 --> 00:55:55.882 [Jeff Reed] He drinks Dos Equis or something. 00:55:56.503 --> 00:55:57.244 [Jeff Reed] here in America. 00:55:57.344 --> 00:56:02.648 [Jeff Reed] Like the most interesting man, it's the guy that looks like Ernest Hemingway, that you could just listen to him talk about anything. 00:56:03.028 --> 00:56:06.210 [Jeff Reed] That is Jason Morris for me, the most interesting man on the internet. 00:56:06.291 --> 00:56:09.152 [Jeff Reed] So J-Mo, once again, thanks for jumping on the stream. 00:56:09.172 --> 00:56:14.797 [Jeff Reed] Safe travels to South Africa, safe travels to New England. 00:56:14.898 --> 00:56:20.121 [Jeff Reed] No, New Zealand, the other England that's new, not New England, New Zealand. 00:56:21.103 --> 00:56:27.153 [Jeff Reed] Completely different, but man, enjoy that time with work and missions, and we'll see you on the flip side. 00:56:27.193 --> 00:56:29.617 [Jeff Reed] So for JMO, this is Jeff with The Church Digital. 00:56:29.637 --> 00:56:31.601 [Jeff Reed] Thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you next time on the show. 00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:33.440 [Jeff Reed] All right. 00:56:33.460 --> 00:56:35.081 [Jeff Reed] Hey, we're going to just tag this on. 00:56:35.661 --> 00:56:37.262 [Jeff Reed] I'll edit it on the flip side. 00:56:37.541 --> 00:56:39.643 [Jeff Reed] If you're streaming and watching, you can feel free to hang out. 00:56:39.722 --> 00:56:41.123 [Jeff Reed] But yeah, it's a different thing right now. 00:56:42.065 --> 00:56:44.885 [Jeff Reed] Jason, just two or three minutes. 00:56:45.385 --> 00:56:49.869 [Jeff Reed] The importance of going to these listening tour. 00:56:50.108 --> 00:56:51.329 [Jeff Reed] We're not calling it listening tour. 00:56:52.989 --> 00:56:53.929 [Jeff Reed] We're calling it one-on-one. 00:56:54.271 --> 00:56:57.952 [Jeff Reed] Joining into these one-on-one conversations where we, the Church Digital, get to listen to you. 00:56:58.291 --> 00:57:01.952 [Jeff Reed] There was some tension on listening tour, tour that makes sense globally. 00:57:02.393 --> 00:57:05.994 [Jeff Reed] One-on-one conversations where we, the Church Digital, get to listen to you. 00:57:06.373 --> 00:57:07.875 [Jeff Reed] Maybe just two or three minutes on that. 00:57:07.974 --> 00:57:08.795 [Jeff Reed] Can you pull that off? 00:58:50.630 --> 00:58:50.911 [Jeff Reed] Awesome. 00:58:51.150 --> 00:58:51.871 [Jeff Reed] Hey, thanks for that. 00:58:51.911 --> 00:58:52.152 [Jeff Reed] Great. 00:58:52.211 --> 00:58:54.375 [Jeff Reed] Well, I'll clip it, cut it down, frame it. 00:58:54.414 --> 00:58:54.976 [Jeff Reed] It'll be great. 00:58:55.056 --> 00:58:57.079 [Jeff Reed] But thanks for the time. 00:58:57.739 --> 00:58:59.541 [Jeff Reed] As we're wrapping up here, anything else I can do for you, bro? 00:59:10.074 --> 00:59:13.556 [Jeff Reed] Barney, I'd love a conversation with. 00:59:14.376 --> 00:59:23.101 [Jeff Reed] If you're all in on 153, to be honest, other than that 30-second precursory website, I didn't really dig into it. 00:59:23.481 --> 00:59:25.302 [Jeff Reed] But I love the idea of what you're talking about. 00:59:25.802 --> 00:59:30.443 [Jeff Reed] If you want to start a conversation with 153 as well, I'm cool with it. 00:59:31.525 --> 00:59:35.527 [Jeff Reed] But yeah, I would love some connections on that. 00:59:45.989 --> 00:59:46.210 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 00:59:51.594 --> 00:59:51.813 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 01:00:04.603 --> 01:00:04.802 [Jeff Reed] Yeah. 01:00:05.963 --> 01:00:09.827 [Jeff Reed] For being more of a front door bridge to that rather than us. 01:00:09.907 --> 01:00:11.288 [Jeff Reed] I mean, just honestly, I'm not going to have that. 01:00:11.307 --> 01:00:13.650 [Jeff Reed] We're not going to have the capacity to build some of that long term. 01:00:14.851 --> 01:00:15.751 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:00:15.851 --> 01:00:16.351 [Jeff Reed] I'm with that. 01:00:19.248 --> 01:00:20.688 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, yeah. 01:00:21.248 --> 01:00:43.858 [Jeff Reed] And if I could use some of the things, one of the reasons with the conferences, and I'll say it online, I'd love to get connections like that and deep connections with crew established so as we're building the conferences, there's clarity with what we're doing with these people as we're handing them off instead of having just the nebulous of the... 01:00:44.378 --> 01:00:46.358 [Jeff Reed] thousand plus registrants we get. 01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:50.061 [Jeff Reed] And so that's what, for me, that's one of the things I don't want. 01:00:50.362 --> 01:00:52.083 [Jeff Reed] I want that, you know, I've got Ian Kirk. 01:00:52.284 --> 01:00:54.824 [Jeff Reed] Ian, aren't you supposed to be at a conference right now? 01:00:54.844 --> 01:00:58.047 [Jeff Reed] Ian Kirk is like Synergy popping up. 01:00:58.248 --> 01:00:59.869 [Jeff Reed] And so that's exactly. 01:01:00.409 --> 01:01:03.210 [Jeff Reed] And so I would love a conversation with 153 on that. 01:01:04.711 --> 01:01:14.398 [Jeff Reed] So that as we're gathering this people, there's a strategic synergy with how we're getting them connected into our community and we're feeding them on for the next piece. 01:01:14.458 --> 01:01:18.902 [Jeff Reed] So I think maybe that's even, yeah, yeah. 01:01:26.748 --> 01:01:29.809 [Jeff Reed] Yeah, yeah. 01:01:31.938 --> 01:01:32.217 [Jeff Reed] Love it. 01:01:32.838 --> 01:01:34.340 [Jeff Reed] Jason, my friend, thanks for jumping on. 01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:35.260 [Jeff Reed] Have a great day. 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:36.802 [Jeff Reed] Make some introductions when you can. 01:01:36.983 --> 01:01:37.483 [Jeff Reed] Be safe. 01:01:37.764 --> 01:01:38.684 [Jeff Reed] And we'll see you on the flip side. 01:01:39.664 --> 01:01:41.007 [Jeff Reed] Everybody else, thanks for hanging out. 01:01:41.447 --> 01:01:41.827 [Jeff Reed] See you later. 01:01:42.208 --> 01:01:42.347 [Jeff Reed] Bye.