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For more 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:47.380 information and to find out how you can save 20%, visit thechurch.digital slash cohort. 00:00:50.740 --> 00:00:55.180 Hey, everybody. Welcome to The Church Digital podcast. It's great to join y'all today. I've 00:00:55.180 --> 00:01:01.700 got Ray Diarmus here joining us. Hey, everybody. Awesome. And I also have, and excited about this, 00:01:02.040 --> 00:01:06.940 Tyler Sampson, who's joining us to talk a little bit about Church Anywhere. 00:01:07.600 --> 00:01:13.280 How's it going? Yeah, great. Hey, so Tyler, man, we listen to Ray all the time, but Tyler, man, 00:01:13.320 --> 00:01:20.060 tell us a little bit about yourself. Yeah, I'm a pastor from Southern Indiana area. I've been 00:01:20.060 --> 00:01:26.980 in and out of different jobs at a church for now seven years full-time. So I started as a worship 00:01:26.980 --> 00:01:33.060 pastor, kind of transitioned into more of a teaching pastor and oversee all of our, what we call Church 00:01:33.060 --> 00:01:38.860 Anywhere locations. Awesome. So like Church Anywhere, what is that really, what is that about? What does 00:01:38.860 --> 00:01:46.020 that look like? Yeah, it's taking technology that is available to us, whether it's an online stream or 00:01:46.020 --> 00:01:51.600 online content and using that to bring people together in a physical location. So it's a big 00:01:51.600 --> 00:01:58.560 online to offline model that we've been doing for the last two years. Yeah, we've talked a lot about 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:04.540 online to offline in the past, in past episodes. But, you know, and I think Jay Cranda is actually the 00:02:04.540 --> 00:02:09.780 guy who invented this, or at least he's the guy that I give credit to out at Saddleback, where you're 00:02:09.780 --> 00:02:17.640 trying to get, you know, the content that we experience in church through church online to use 00:02:17.640 --> 00:02:24.300 it to affect our lives with the gospel offline, you know, basically in the real world. And I love 00:02:24.300 --> 00:02:32.140 this aggressive model that Church Anywhere is doing, where it's taking that message, that content, 00:02:32.260 --> 00:02:36.640 and getting people to share it physically in the real world. Like, you know, Tyler, what are some 00:02:36.640 --> 00:02:42.760 examples of this? Yeah, some examples could be anywhere from a family in a neighborhood deciding 00:02:42.760 --> 00:02:47.720 to have church with their neighbors, who probably wouldn't go to an actual church location. So we've 00:02:47.720 --> 00:02:53.420 got a couple of those, and that's in a home. But we've also got ones that are in a jail, and we've got 00:02:53.420 --> 00:03:00.460 volunteers that will go each week to this jail to take church to them. We have a homeless camp that 00:03:00.460 --> 00:03:06.280 meets every Sunday at a local church that has allowed us to use their fellowship hall. And so we have 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:12.880 about 70 homeless people that meet each week. These are people that are not going to step into a normal 00:03:12.880 --> 00:03:18.660 church setting, and they still can experience worship with the body of Christ together. That's just a 00:03:18.660 --> 00:03:23.440 few examples. There's, I think there's 14 right now, all together. Wow. So you're literally doing 00:03:23.440 --> 00:03:28.920 homeless church, but that's not at your church facility. That's at another facility? No, we partnered with 00:03:28.920 --> 00:03:34.700 another facility closer to the city that's allowed us to use a room that's big enough to hold about 100 00:03:34.700 --> 00:03:41.300 people. And so we've got roughly, when warm weather, we've got about 70 cold weather, we dropped down to about 45. 00:03:41.300 --> 00:03:50.980 So, wow. That's great. Tyler, how have you empowered your people to take the content that you guys are 00:03:50.980 --> 00:03:59.020 creating and sort of giving them a vision for what could be? Yeah, so we have really, really empowered 00:03:59.020 --> 00:04:07.440 volunteers. It's very non-staff driven. And so we call our volunteers the campus pastors of the campus. 00:04:07.440 --> 00:04:12.480 So we've, we've really commissioned them and ordained them to go out and be the pastors to each of these 00:04:12.480 --> 00:04:17.720 locations. I'll give you an example for at the, at the jail campus, one of the jail campuses that we do 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:25.360 is at state prison. There is a man who was baptized two Easter's ago. He had spent a lot of time in 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:31.420 prison. Our staff identified him as a potential leader. He's got a lot of leadership gift. He just was on a 00:04:31.420 --> 00:04:36.580 wrong path. He found Christ and we, we poured into him for a year without him knowing that we wanted 00:04:36.580 --> 00:04:40.880 him to be the one to start this jail campus. But then through that, through that pouring into it, 00:04:40.880 --> 00:04:46.600 he's, he's now launched a prison ministry that has about 300 guys that meet every single week 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:51.460 to, to do church together. He leads the small group portion of that. He's recruited all the 00:04:51.460 --> 00:04:56.220 volunteers for it. It's a pretty good deal. That's an amazing, powerful story. That's like 00:04:56.220 --> 00:05:00.400 Saul of Tarsus kind of vision where you see somebody who's on the other side of the line of faith 00:05:00.400 --> 00:05:05.340 and you're like, this guy is a given leader. God has a purpose for him. Not that we don't see that 00:05:05.340 --> 00:05:09.520 in other folks, but tell me about that, about the risk taking involved in that, because some folks 00:05:09.520 --> 00:05:14.140 would hear that, especially in church leadership and say, are you nuts? Yeah. I mean, it takes, 00:05:14.260 --> 00:05:20.120 it takes a leap of faith for hundreds of years. Our strategy as the church has been to get people to 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:25.340 come to our building and, and that's where we'll do ministry. We really are trying to take, 00:05:25.340 --> 00:05:29.260 it's the idea of church anywhere. We didn't call it first capital anywhere. We called it church because 00:05:29.260 --> 00:05:35.040 we want to partner with other churches to get ministry outside of four walls. Um, and so there's 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:40.360 a huge risk in that because it changes the paradigm of how we've done church forever. Um, but with that 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:46.080 risk, there's also incredible reward. Last year alone, we had 49 first time decisions for Christ 00:05:46.080 --> 00:05:51.360 through church anywhere. Um, which is like, that's huge for it. We're a church of 900 in a town of 3000. 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:57.140 Like we don't have a ton of resources. We're really pouring everything we can into the community rather 00:05:57.140 --> 00:06:04.260 than our building. Well, and by, by using the technology that you have and, and, and scaling it 00:06:04.260 --> 00:06:10.400 out, like cost on this has got to be relatively small. I mean, by, by doing church in a, in a home, 00:06:10.400 --> 00:06:16.240 it's, it's what, it's a Roku or hooking a laptop up to an already existing TV. Yeah. 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:20.900 Parting with another church for a homeless ministry, like it's, it's prisons, you know, 00:06:20.940 --> 00:06:25.620 you're using the technology that that's in place. It's, it's relatively inexpensive for, 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:32.800 for church anywhere. Yeah. Our package is at most $600 to start a campus and that's absolutely 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:38.600 no technology available whatsoever. Yeah. And I'm just, just quickly paralleling, 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:42.820 like launching a multi-site campus where I've seen startup budgets, like five, six figures, 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:48.840 $600 seems really inexpensive to, and, but, and, and one of the things that I love about is, is, 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:55.300 is you're not, you're not empowering pastors to go get into the area. You're, you're empowering lay 00:06:55.300 --> 00:07:00.540 people. You're empowering volunteers. You know, the same Holy spirit that, that lives in the sent 00:07:00.540 --> 00:07:04.660 pastors, the same Holy spirit that lives in the people. And you're training them with the gospel 00:07:04.660 --> 00:07:06.480 and letting them get out into those neighborhoods. 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:11.400 And we're intentional. Like I said earlier about calling them the campus pastors of this, because 00:07:11.400 --> 00:07:15.780 it's not just Joe Schmo. Like we've obviously poured into each person that we trust to start a 00:07:15.780 --> 00:07:21.100 campus, but we want them to take that ownership. We want them to feel like they are pastoring 00:07:21.100 --> 00:07:24.800 these people. It doesn't, we don't want it to feel like just another way to serve at the local 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:28.840 church. We want them to really take ownership of their campus and make it the best that can 00:07:28.840 --> 00:07:29.480 possibly be. 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:34.540 That's good. I want to dig a little bit more into that. How much training do you guys provide 00:07:34.540 --> 00:07:38.920 or even just kind of vetting before you actually give them that title of campus pastor? Cause I can 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.880 definitely say like on the onset, if I'm sitting on the leadership table, there's some liability 00:07:42.880 --> 00:07:48.440 concerns or some different things that I would struggle through. So what's the process look like 00:07:48.440 --> 00:07:52.480 for that in terms of time and investment before you give them the title? 00:07:53.280 --> 00:07:58.900 Yeah, it's, it's we, we don't have a like laid out. We're going to meet for six weeks and do 00:07:58.900 --> 00:08:03.640 this. We, we identify the leader and then we individually spend time with them. So the point 00:08:03.640 --> 00:08:08.520 person for that campus would, would go ahead and spend, build a relationship with them. 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:13.200 So it's very relational based. It's not really like a program that we would put them through 00:08:13.200 --> 00:08:18.140 to become a leader. It's more of let's identify who has this gift and maybe not even, they don't 00:08:18.140 --> 00:08:24.000 even know they have this gift yet. And then we're going to spend time with them. And we make them 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:27.820 shadow other campuses, things like that. That's, I guess that's the program part, but it's really 00:08:27.820 --> 00:08:31.520 about that building a relationship with them until we are at a point where we trust them 00:08:31.520 --> 00:08:33.620 to go ahead and step into that leadership role. 00:08:34.560 --> 00:08:41.660 How, how long of a, of a process of kind of like observing, shadowing, you know, reverse, 00:08:41.740 --> 00:08:46.240 like you get somebody who's cold to the idea or you've targeted, let's say it this way, 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:50.780 you've targeted somebody who wants to do this and you like, this is the person. How long 00:08:50.780 --> 00:08:53.620 are they observing until they're actually executing and doing something? 00:08:53.620 --> 00:08:58.940 It really depends on where they're at in their, their walk in, in their faith. If they're, 00:08:59.040 --> 00:09:03.380 if they've been a believer and have had years and years of ministry experience, obviously 00:09:03.380 --> 00:09:06.900 it's a much shorter time. If there's someone like the guy I mentioned earlier, the start 00:09:06.900 --> 00:09:12.740 of the prison ministry, it could be months before we would, would try to put him into that spot. 00:09:12.820 --> 00:09:16.660 We just, we don't want to set someone to fail. So it's by case basis. 00:09:17.940 --> 00:09:20.860 Awesome. And how many, how many of these are you doing right now? 00:09:21.460 --> 00:09:27.360 Right now we have 14 and we start, um, another two in, uh, in a week. 00:09:28.020 --> 00:09:31.140 So we go to another jail in, uh, next week. 00:09:32.900 --> 00:09:38.260 So you've got your own like little prison ministry, like birthed out of church online, 00:09:38.260 --> 00:09:43.940 church anywhere. Yeah. It's crazy. Um, because we're, there's several prisons around the Louisville 00:09:43.940 --> 00:09:48.900 area where we're at. Um, once one of them gets going, other chaplains will hear about it and 00:09:48.900 --> 00:09:53.060 they're like, Oh yeah, let's do this. It costs us nothing. And you guys, you guys provide everything. 00:09:53.060 --> 00:10:00.180 So let's do it. That's good. How do you guys get the content to the prison areas? I know we've done 00:10:00.180 --> 00:10:04.260 some prison ministry in my context and some of the concern is the low tech that we have to get in 00:10:04.260 --> 00:10:07.860 there because they don't enable us to jump on the wifi. Maybe it's a different situation with the 00:10:07.860 --> 00:10:11.940 prisons that you're ministering to. So if somebody wants to start this in a local prison, how would 00:10:11.940 --> 00:10:18.180 you guide them through that process? Yeah. So we provide them with a Chromebook and, um, we are in 00:10:18.180 --> 00:10:22.900 the prison ministries because of the lack of internet. We are one week behind. Um, 00:10:22.900 --> 00:10:28.980 so, uh, they'll have the, uh, let me start out with this. We edit our services down to 30 minutes. 00:10:29.380 --> 00:10:34.660 Um, so we can do 30 minutes. We have an hour long total block of time in prisons. So we have 30 00:10:34.660 --> 00:10:40.580 minutes of content and 30 minutes of small group to help develop relationships. Um, each week we'll 00:10:40.580 --> 00:10:45.220 bring in 10 volunteers, 10 to 20 volunteers, depending on the size of the campus. And there's, 00:10:45.220 --> 00:10:49.620 those are the people that lead the small groups. So we have the, the lay campus pastor, 00:10:49.620 --> 00:10:55.140 the volunteers that come in and they have their Chromebook, um, that is already, uh, filled with 00:10:55.140 --> 00:11:00.260 that previous week service that's edited down to 30 minutes. Um, I'm, I'm just curious. Is that 00:11:00.260 --> 00:11:05.620 worship, musical worship and teaching? Is it just, it's usually two songs and then about a 15 minute 00:11:05.620 --> 00:11:13.380 message. Um, and often a special element that we've done in the service. So, and it, the, the 30 minutes, 00:11:13.380 --> 00:11:18.900 it's interesting because like, you know, we've, I've struggled with, you got a 75, 80 minute service 00:11:18.900 --> 00:11:25.220 and, and trying to get, do something like the church anywhere where get it into like a office 00:11:25.220 --> 00:11:32.900 conference room and equip an office, uh, worker to, to open up and do something like that. But like the, 00:11:32.900 --> 00:11:39.380 the lunchtime itself is only like, you know, 45 minutes, maybe an hour if you're, if you're lucky. 00:11:39.380 --> 00:11:44.180 And the church service itself was longer than even the discussion piece and, and it, and it wouldn't 00:11:44.180 --> 00:11:50.260 fit. So adding it down to it, to a smaller block, man, that really opens up some more opportunities 00:11:50.260 --> 00:11:55.540 for these. We prefer it when it's like that, but we absolutely want to have every campus like that. 00:11:55.540 --> 00:12:00.180 There are some that are in homes that, that would rather just watch it live, things like that. But, 00:12:00.180 --> 00:12:06.100 um, as we launch out campuses, we always start with the 30 minute. Uh, I think the, the small group part 00:12:06.100 --> 00:12:10.180 is every bit as important as the content building those relationships is really what it's about. 00:12:10.900 --> 00:12:15.540 How much in terms of crafting the content ahead of time, are you guys thinking through, all right, 00:12:15.540 --> 00:12:18.900 this is the block that we want specifically for this teaching? 00:12:18.900 --> 00:12:25.780 Yeah. A hundred percent. We, um, we switched to a teaching team model late last year, um, in order 00:12:25.780 --> 00:12:31.940 to help craft, um, messages together. Um, and then also to, to make sure that the content that we're 00:12:31.940 --> 00:12:37.460 producing works for both church here and church anywhere. Um, that's pretty insider language. 00:12:37.460 --> 00:12:40.580 That's just what we call our physical location and then the other campuses. 00:12:42.020 --> 00:12:47.700 So like your leadership's whole hog on this, like they, they bought it hook, line and sinker. This is, 00:12:47.700 --> 00:12:53.140 this is the vision of your organization. This is not like a, a tag on extra thing. Like everybody's 00:12:53.140 --> 00:12:58.980 bought into this. Yeah. Everyone bought into it and, um, we launched it as church anywhere. Um, 00:12:58.980 --> 00:13:04.820 and then there we were in, um, we're in discussion of like phase two of that right now. Um, which I 00:13:04.820 --> 00:13:08.580 don't know how much detail I'm allowed to go into on that one. Don't get yourself fired. 00:13:08.580 --> 00:13:15.460 Off chance our, uh, our leadership watches this. But yeah, we're, we're really, we're really going 00:13:15.460 --> 00:13:21.140 to push, uh, the idea of everyone becoming, um, a minister to wherever they're at. So taking the 00:13:21.140 --> 00:13:24.820 church outside of our walls, whether that's in their neighborhood, whether that's when they play 00:13:24.820 --> 00:13:30.020 basketball with a group of guys at the Y, um, however they can take a church outside of our walls. 00:13:30.660 --> 00:13:34.100 Um, that's going to eventually become our major vision of the church. 00:13:36.420 --> 00:13:39.700 I don't think that's, I don't think that has to necessarily be thought of as like scary 00:13:39.700 --> 00:13:42.820 innovative because I've heard dating back to like purpose driven church. That was almost the 00:13:42.820 --> 00:13:47.700 encouragement for groups. And so now you guys are taking it a step further, I think, and taking 00:13:47.700 --> 00:13:52.260 this content and saying, Hey, we're going to unleash you, uh, to be the minister is where you're at. 00:13:52.260 --> 00:13:55.860 Kind of like what Warren used to say, every member of minister. Uh, so are you guys going to 00:13:55.860 --> 00:14:00.100 communicate that philosophy? Like everybody here has the capability of being a campus pastor right 00:14:00.100 --> 00:14:03.460 where you're at, or how's that going to work in terms of just what you're thinking? 00:14:03.460 --> 00:14:08.420 Yeah, that's, uh, yeah, that we've been in, uh, several, uh, meetings in the last, uh, several 00:14:08.420 --> 00:14:14.180 months about how we're going to communicate that. Um, the, the launch for that is, um, we're thinking 00:14:14.180 --> 00:14:19.780 August of this year will be the launch of really pushing every, we want every person at our church 00:14:19.780 --> 00:14:24.500 to, to be involved in some type of call it church anywhere, call it an initiative, call it whatever 00:14:24.500 --> 00:14:29.620 you want, but to go and minister wherever they're at. Um, and we will help provide the technology or the, 00:14:29.620 --> 00:14:32.340 the, um, the means to do that. 00:14:34.180 --> 00:14:39.460 That's good. Now, I know you mentioned that, that it's a small community that you guys do, uh, 00:14:39.460 --> 00:14:45.700 ministry in. So right now, uh, um, how far out do people spread out beyond the reach of your 00:14:45.700 --> 00:14:50.420 church in order to accomplish this mission with church anywhere? Does it go out like beyond your 00:14:50.420 --> 00:14:54.900 county? I'm kind of curious about that because folks stay connected with church for so many different 00:14:54.900 --> 00:15:00.980 weeks. Sure. Yeah. The farthest one away is two hours. Um, and there's, there's also one that's, 00:15:00.980 --> 00:15:07.780 uh, about an hour away. Um, and then anywhere from 45 minutes to five minutes or the other ones. So 00:15:07.780 --> 00:15:14.420 there's two that are out pretty far outside of our area. And then the majority of them are within the 00:15:14.420 --> 00:15:17.380 tri city area here. Wow. 00:15:17.380 --> 00:15:25.700 So do you have specific viewers that are outside, like regionally away from, from where you guys are 00:15:25.700 --> 00:15:30.020 at with, with church anywhere? Like is, is your spread just of your broadcast? Is, is it that far 00:15:30.020 --> 00:15:36.020 going where you have potential to spread? Yeah, we have, we have a widespread and obviously the goal 00:15:36.020 --> 00:15:40.020 would be to get them on board with this whole church anywhere idea to, to start, but we have a 00:15:40.020 --> 00:15:44.260 group of people that watch us in California all the time. And I would love if they would start a 00:15:44.260 --> 00:15:49.620 church anywhere in California. We're not there yet, maybe eventually, but, um, right now we're, we're, 00:15:49.620 --> 00:15:55.540 um, within that two hour radius. Um, but with viewers on the online campus from, uh, lots of 00:15:55.540 --> 00:16:02.500 places across the country. So how are you leveraging data that comes into your online campus to help 00:16:02.500 --> 00:16:05.460 start church anywhere? You just mentioned these folks from California. I'm wondering how often 00:16:05.460 --> 00:16:10.100 you've reached out to somebody and say, head, would you like to start this? Yeah. Um, we did that with 00:16:10.100 --> 00:16:14.980 the, the campus is about an hour away. Um, that was like our first one that we were like, Hey, we 00:16:14.980 --> 00:16:19.540 noticed there's 15 people here that are watching. Let's, what if you guys did it together? Um, and that 00:16:19.540 --> 00:16:25.940 turned into a home campus. Um, we're also utilizing pop-up campuses. Um, so we're, we're, uh, plotting, 00:16:25.940 --> 00:16:30.420 plotting points to where, um, there's a lot of people gathered that, uh, might be interested in coming 00:16:30.420 --> 00:16:35.620 together for a worship service. Uh, we did our first one last, uh, fall. I think I actually shared 00:16:35.620 --> 00:16:43.140 that picture with Jeff, uh, uh, at a conference in DC last year. Um, let's, um, let's unpack that 00:16:43.140 --> 00:16:50.260 because I find when I say the word pop-up church to a pastor, like I get blank stare. Um, it's a new 00:16:50.260 --> 00:16:55.300 concept that not a lot of people are doing, but the people are doing it are exceeding, succeeding doing 00:16:55.300 --> 00:17:02.500 it. Explain what a pop-up church is. Yeah. We, um, we decided that, uh, just like pop-up stores that 00:17:02.500 --> 00:17:09.380 come up near like, uh, Christmas time. Uh, why, why could a church not try that? So last year we have 00:17:09.380 --> 00:17:16.580 an event, um, each year where we do a big festival for the community and, um, we throw it and it's a big 00:17:16.580 --> 00:17:21.460 free day where they get food and all this kind of stuff. So we said, why don't we find a, uh, a location 00:17:21.460 --> 00:17:28.100 that's close to, um, people that view us within our like 25 mile radius. And instead of having them 00:17:28.100 --> 00:17:32.100 come to our building, which is what church has been for a long time, what if we just did a pop-up 00:17:32.100 --> 00:17:36.900 church for one day only and see how many people would come. Um, now with this, we, we wanted, 00:17:36.900 --> 00:17:43.300 we wanted it to look full because we wanted people to, um, to, to be drawn to it. So we had, uh, we 00:17:43.300 --> 00:17:48.740 invited all of our, our people to come if they wanted to. Um, we're a church of about, uh, eight or 00:17:48.740 --> 00:17:54.820 nine hundred on the weekend at that pop-up campus. We had close to 1500 people. Um, super cool. 00:17:54.820 --> 00:18:02.180 So, so it's, it's really, it's just putting a location, putting a church service, um, you know, 00:18:02.180 --> 00:18:08.500 in, in a place of, of high traffic where you're going to get a lot of, of attention. Um, and we 00:18:08.500 --> 00:18:14.020 use relationships with people. Yeah. We use our data that we've like the, uh, the locations of the 00:18:14.020 --> 00:18:18.740 IP addresses that we've found from our online campus. Like, Hey, this person's, he's only 25 00:18:18.740 --> 00:18:23.700 minutes away from here. Um, he's probably, and he's never come to our, our building. I wonder 00:18:23.700 --> 00:18:29.300 if he would come to a free, uh, carnival slash worship service. And those people came, which was 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:33.460 cool. I mean, like, I don't know that many churches that have done these things. So 00:18:33.460 --> 00:18:37.700 we were just really kind of throwing stuff into the wind and hoping something would, would fly. 00:18:37.700 --> 00:18:44.580 So I love that when you, do you, do you look at the metrics like a lot and say, okay, 00:18:44.580 --> 00:18:50.180 I've got a bunch of viewers over here in this, in this town or in this area. Um, I need to send 00:18:50.180 --> 00:18:55.460 someone over there to start a location, or do you let the people come to you and say, Hey, 00:18:55.460 --> 00:19:02.500 I'd like to put a location over here. I, at first we, we looked at the metrics, um, like crazy. Um, 00:19:02.500 --> 00:19:09.380 and then as we've grown to, uh, the size of the campuses that we have now, um, we've, 00:19:09.380 --> 00:19:14.820 we've had enough people that have approached us and consistently approach us that, um, 00:19:15.700 --> 00:19:21.140 this is probably going to sound bad, but any more, um, uh, work would probably require a different, 00:19:21.140 --> 00:19:25.620 a second hire. Um, and so right now we're letting people come to us because we just don't have the 00:19:25.620 --> 00:19:33.140 resources to be, um, looking for more locations without leaders. So that's awesome. Well, I mean, 00:19:33.140 --> 00:19:38.180 you're, you're scaling and you're working with, with what you've got and using, uh, your resources to, 00:19:38.180 --> 00:19:44.180 to the max capacity to, to duplicate and like, and just even talking about resources, what is 00:19:44.740 --> 00:19:48.340 like, uh, you know, and I've had this conversation with other churches and they're like, well, 00:19:48.340 --> 00:19:53.220 how are you going to budget that? And how does giving work? And you know, money's obviously a concern. 00:19:53.220 --> 00:19:56.100 How do those things work at like a church anywhere location? 00:19:56.100 --> 00:20:00.980 Uh, yeah, let me tell you, I'm going to tell you a quick story because it's my favorite story from 00:20:00.980 --> 00:20:05.860 church anywhere and that it'll apply to what we're talking about. But, uh, there was a guy named Jerry 00:20:05.860 --> 00:20:10.500 at Branchville prison, um, which is an hour away from us. It's one of our campuses. 00:20:11.140 --> 00:20:18.180 And, uh, he wrote us a letter probably three months into that campus and said, um, I don't make much, 00:20:18.180 --> 00:20:24.180 I make 10 cents an hour. Um, but I, I feel like I should give to you guys because you are my church 00:20:24.180 --> 00:20:30.100 family. So each, uh, each month he sends us a $10 check and it comes from the prison. Like it's, 00:20:30.100 --> 00:20:36.020 it's super government official letter, but we get a check for $10 from Jerry each month, which I mean, 00:20:36.020 --> 00:20:41.220 that's, that's not only a powerful story, but that is a testament to the discipleship that can happen 00:20:41.220 --> 00:20:48.020 within these things as well. Um, it's not all viewing a service. It's all about building relationships. 00:20:48.020 --> 00:20:52.660 And then together you can worship. It's just like regular church. Uh, so some of the campuses they 00:20:52.660 --> 00:20:57.460 give, um, consistently, obviously like a homeless campus, probably not going to give very much. 00:20:57.460 --> 00:21:03.300 So we, we realized we're not going to be making a lot of income from this. Um, we had a challenge 00:21:03.300 --> 00:21:07.700 weekend last year and challenged people that, um, if we were going to continue to do these church 00:21:07.700 --> 00:21:11.540 anywhere things, they're going to have to up their giving. And so we had people commit to, 00:21:11.540 --> 00:21:14.420 I'm going to give $10 extra a month to go to church anywhere, that kind of thing. 00:21:14.980 --> 00:21:20.100 Um, it's not, it doesn't cost a whole lot of money. It's mostly an upfront cost, but, uh, 00:21:20.820 --> 00:21:25.940 it's really just been our people stepping up as far as the giving part of it. Um, budgeting for it. 00:21:25.940 --> 00:21:31.140 We, uh, we started with literally zero budget. Um, so the, the first campus we started, um, 00:21:31.140 --> 00:21:36.580 we had to take the money from a different budget, uh, to, to buy the television. And, um, 00:21:36.580 --> 00:21:40.740 then our leadership saw like, Hey, maybe there is something to this thing. So, um, 00:21:40.740 --> 00:21:44.020 the last couple of years they've, they've added more and more to the budget. So right now we've 00:21:44.020 --> 00:21:48.580 got enough this year to start. If they didn't have any technology, we could start, um, 12 campuses. 00:21:48.580 --> 00:21:54.180 So, okay. All right. So you've got, there's somebody out here there who's watching this, 00:21:54.180 --> 00:21:58.740 you know, video right now, listening to this podcast and they're already broadcasting church services 00:21:58.740 --> 00:22:05.460 online. They've been wanting to do this, uh, and they don't know where to get started. They don't know what to 00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:09.380 do next. They caught the vision, but they're stuck. What do they need to do? 00:22:10.100 --> 00:22:15.780 Yeah. Uh, well, um, I would, I would really focus on making sure that the product is excellent. I 00:22:15.780 --> 00:22:21.620 can't stress that enough. Um, because I, the, you guys have seen some, some church services or 00:22:21.620 --> 00:22:27.460 in secular services that just throw a video with like a one camera and a board mix that, 00:22:27.460 --> 00:22:30.740 that just doesn't sound or look good. That's not something that you're going to, 00:22:30.740 --> 00:22:36.500 you need to, to, to craft it to where people will actually be engaged. Um, that goes from, 00:22:36.500 --> 00:22:40.340 uh, like Ray's question about how we, um, produce our content for the weekend service. 00:22:40.340 --> 00:22:44.740 Like we're very intentional about making sure that we have four touch points for church anywhere spots 00:22:44.740 --> 00:22:48.660 within the actual weekend service. So we, we address them four times every week. 00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:55.700 Um, we write content to where it can be cut down. Um, and then we, we, um, we do a lot of, um, 00:22:55.700 --> 00:23:00.900 post production on videos, things like that to make sure that it's a, that's a quality product. 00:23:00.900 --> 00:23:05.860 I cannot stress that enough because I don't think it will work very well if it's, uh, just some guys 00:23:05.860 --> 00:23:11.460 that are putting something on a screen that doesn't look or sound good. Um, from there, after you get 00:23:11.460 --> 00:23:18.020 that, um, I think the easiest, uh, the easiest way to start this would be to, to, uh, identify five or 00:23:18.020 --> 00:23:22.900 six leaders, um, from your church, uh, that, that maybe they're plugged in, maybe they're not 00:23:22.900 --> 00:23:26.900 identify people who you think could lead and just spend the next few months pouring into them without 00:23:26.900 --> 00:23:31.220 even telling them what's going on. Um, really make sure that you're, you're pouring into them and, 00:23:31.220 --> 00:23:36.100 and building them up as leaders, uh, from there, figure out what they're passionate about and where 00:23:36.100 --> 00:23:40.500 they hang out. And then, um, once you figure that part out and once they're on board, 00:23:41.060 --> 00:23:45.940 just release them to go do ministry. You will provide the material for them. You'll provide 00:23:45.940 --> 00:23:50.820 the resources and then they go out and, uh, and just fulfill the great commission. They're going 00:23:50.820 --> 00:23:56.100 to go out and make disciples. Awesome. So, I mean, just real quick to review that, 00:23:56.100 --> 00:24:00.900 because that was good. You work on your quality and, and there has been a lot of good quality. 00:24:00.900 --> 00:24:05.620 There's a lot of bad quality out there, but work through that and get it. Um, and one of the 00:24:05.620 --> 00:24:09.860 things and Tyler, I know we're going to talk about this later, but I'll be back on. But like, 00:24:09.860 --> 00:24:16.340 you talk a lot about how to do quality broadcast quality production on, on a, on a low budget. 00:24:16.340 --> 00:24:20.900 Like I have conversations with churches and, and, you know, and, and I've done like the six figure 00:24:20.900 --> 00:24:25.460 video upgrades for churches and, and, and like there, there's times where you have to play that card, 00:24:25.460 --> 00:24:30.820 but there are times where, man, you can do some really quality stuff with some really inexpensive 00:24:30.820 --> 00:24:35.140 gear right now. And so working through some of that, you know, recognize. And, 00:24:35.140 --> 00:24:39.380 and one of the things I want you to unpack on this, because you said you, your, your church service 00:24:39.380 --> 00:24:44.500 recognizes church anywhere four times, at least four touch points. What does that look like? 00:24:45.060 --> 00:24:52.420 Yeah. Um, so the, the intro to the church service, um, is usually, um, either me or one of the other 00:24:52.420 --> 00:24:56.420 pastors on staff that says like, Hey guys, welcome to first capital. If you're in the lobby, 00:24:56.420 --> 00:24:59.140 go ahead and make your way in. Cause we're going to start in a second. Hey, 00:24:59.140 --> 00:25:02.740 if you're watching from church anywhere though, um, you're part of our church family too. And we 00:25:02.740 --> 00:25:06.660 just want to say a special welcome to you guys. Um, we're about to start worship here in just a 00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:12.020 second. So similar to that. So that's something like that four times during a service that they'll, 00:25:12.020 --> 00:25:16.260 they'll, they'll call out to recognize that. Yeah. So during the, the meet and greet, uh, 00:25:16.260 --> 00:25:19.780 most churches have like a meet and greet time. We'll say, Hey everyone, turn around and greet someone 00:25:19.780 --> 00:25:24.740 around you while people are greeting in person. We look at, um, we call it camera three. It's the 00:25:24.740 --> 00:25:29.700 closest camera and the host on stage directly, um, addresses church anywhere. He's like, Hey, 00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:33.220 while they're meeting, we just want to say, we're glad you guys are here. Why don't you guys turn 00:25:33.220 --> 00:25:37.460 around and greet somebody? Um, that's all kind of thing. The pastor does it once. And then we do 00:25:37.460 --> 00:25:43.140 one at the sign off at the end. Very cool. And I know, uh, you know, you also said identify 00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:49.220 leaders and that's, that's golden and then provide resources. Um, and that, that actually brought up a 00:25:49.220 --> 00:25:53.300 question. Cause I've talked with a couple of other churches that are doing this and there's something 00:25:53.300 --> 00:25:57.540 that everybody gets stuck on. We don't have a good formula for it yet. What do you do with the kids? 00:25:58.820 --> 00:26:01.940 Yeah. Um, if you find out, you should let us know as well. 00:26:03.300 --> 00:26:07.540 I had a feeling like, cause we just, we haven't been able to find that, that sweet spot with, uh, 00:26:07.540 --> 00:26:13.220 with the micro locations of, of like doing a, doing a separate service for the kids or what. 00:26:13.220 --> 00:26:18.660 So we have, um, we are in, uh, part of this, this big vision strategy that we're coming out with 00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:24.740 in August. And once again, I can't go into a ton of detail about it, but, um, one of our 00:26:24.740 --> 00:26:31.940 upcoming hires or somehow getting resources for, we would love to start a, um, YouTube channel 00:26:31.940 --> 00:26:36.660 specifically for children, but not as a church service. So kids right now are watching like 00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:43.300 people unbox toys and they'll watch that for hours. So how can we utilize content like that, um, and spin 00:26:43.300 --> 00:26:49.300 it in a gospel driven direction. Um, but not so much to make them not want to, to use it. So in 00:26:49.300 --> 00:26:55.220 these micro sites, um, parents use their phones all the time as babysitters. So why not have them 00:26:55.220 --> 00:27:00.180 be watching content that we've created or we've resourced, um, at that time? 00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:05.620 That's good. That's real. That's real solid that you guys are looking at staffing that position, 00:27:05.620 --> 00:27:09.460 or at least looking at it from that perspective of this is so important. It takes a lot of resource to 00:27:09.460 --> 00:27:14.340 create this content, it takes a lot of time to craft it. And so, you know, having somebody with 00:27:14.340 --> 00:27:19.860 that kind of vision just right off the bat, just says how serious you are about this. Um, 00:27:19.860 --> 00:27:24.260 because a lot of look at that and say, uh, you know, that's something that we look at as a luxury, 00:27:24.260 --> 00:27:27.380 but you're looking at this very intentionally. You're saying, no, this is, this is part of the 00:27:27.380 --> 00:27:31.620 future of where we're going. I mean, the new iPhone update that we, it always gives me a, 00:27:31.620 --> 00:27:35.940 how much screen time that I had each week, um, every Sunday, it'll like come up with a thing and 00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:41.780 it's embarrassingly large. It's like eight hours. So like if eight hours of screen time, how, how can I, 00:27:41.780 --> 00:27:46.260 as the church utilize that eight hours that people are already looking at screens? Um, 00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:50.340 because we don't have eight hours with them for a church service. We've got an hour a week with them, 00:27:50.340 --> 00:27:54.580 but if they're already looking at a screen for eight hours, like surely we can, we can leverage 00:27:54.580 --> 00:28:01.060 that. Um, that's just the world we live in right now. Yeah. The communication models are changing. 00:28:01.060 --> 00:28:06.900 It's, it's not just one hour on Sunday. We've got access 168 hours a week to do something. 00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:12.180 And so the churches that are understanding that and are changing their communication methods to not 00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:17.780 just put all the energy towards that one hour Sunday church service and instead utilizing social 00:28:17.780 --> 00:28:24.500 media, utilizing mobile app, utilizing web, um, even texting just to, to get message and to help 00:28:24.500 --> 00:28:29.940 them be a disciple, not just a consumer of a one hour a week thing. That's golden. By the way, 00:28:29.940 --> 00:28:35.940 I'm six and a half hours. So man, that's a little embarrassing for you. I will say my wife and I 00:28:35.940 --> 00:28:40.980 went on a road trip last week and I'm pretty sure we watched all of parks and rec. So, uh, that's, 00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:48.260 that's gotta be well done. Real quick, just taking off of what you were just saying about Sunday 00:28:48.260 --> 00:28:53.060 morning. Um, how much open is church anywhere towards not taking place on Sunday? Cause I know 00:28:53.060 --> 00:28:58.020 a lot of folks struggle through, well, you know, going to church on, we want church to be on Sunday, 00:28:58.020 --> 00:29:02.580 but how much are you guys open it up towards? No, this is taking it to people. So it's whenever 00:29:02.580 --> 00:29:12.900 two out of 14 campuses around Sunday right now. Um, the other 12, 12 services. So like a lot of them 00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:17.220 are on Tuesdays. I don't know how that we ended up with that, but it was like one worked on Tuesday. 00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:22.500 So now every leader is like church anywhere days, Tuesday, but, uh, we have a, uh, the Tuesday, 00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:27.460 Wednesday, Friday, and Sunday right now. Uh, and soon to be Monday. Monday is the next one coming. 00:29:27.460 --> 00:29:32.740 So, so what, what are the two that are on Sunday? Is that, are those like just in homes where people 00:29:32.740 --> 00:29:38.660 are used to the, the one of us at home? Um, one is at a place, uh, a rehab center for people who 00:29:38.660 --> 00:29:43.780 have Huntington's disease. Um, so these are fully functioning adults that their bodies are shutting 00:29:43.780 --> 00:29:48.660 down on them. Huntington disease is terrible. They can't really get out, but they, uh, they're all 00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:54.740 there mentally. And, uh, we have 17 of them that meet, um, at that facility each week. It's pretty 00:29:54.740 --> 00:30:00.180 amazing. Yeah. I'm just curious. Did somebody just wake up and have a heart to want to do it 00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:05.620 at a Huntington disease? Yeah. We had a, we had a lady who's a nurse there, um, that would have kept 00:30:05.620 --> 00:30:09.620 having to miss church on Sunday. So she took her iPad, plugged it into the television and said, 00:30:09.620 --> 00:30:12.980 Hey, anybody want to come to church with me? And they all started coming. So then we staffed it 00:30:12.980 --> 00:30:18.660 and resourced it. And, uh, uh, it's okay. That that's like the greatest story I've ever heard. 00:30:19.620 --> 00:30:22.980 Somebody who has to work on Sunday, missing church. And she's like, Hey, we're just going 00:30:22.980 --> 00:30:29.780 to do church here. And your church actually like allows it and resources to do ministry. 00:30:30.820 --> 00:30:36.020 Well, I mean, those, those 17 people are, um, are people that need the gospel as well. And they're 00:30:36.020 --> 00:30:42.260 never going to step in our church because they can't. And so I would absolutely sacrifice one family 00:30:42.260 --> 00:30:47.940 that can't come to our church service for another 17 people to hear about Jesus every single time. 00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:54.820 And, and what's what, what I love about this and just, and we can, this is a whole other show is, 00:30:54.820 --> 00:31:02.100 is that your church is on the smaller side of the equation. What are you, 900 people? So this is not 00:31:02.100 --> 00:31:08.500 a church with a ton of resources. Um, but what you've got, you're, you're aggressively using to 00:31:08.500 --> 00:31:12.020 through church online, through church anywhere to get the message out there in front. 00:31:12.500 --> 00:31:19.940 Like just real quickly, what, what challenges like, have you overcome my small church to this, 00:31:19.940 --> 00:31:23.300 to this vehicle that's reproducing church and micro locations? 00:31:23.300 --> 00:31:27.700 Yeah. Have you ever heard of Cordon? Either one of you Cordon, Indiana, that's where we're located. 00:31:28.580 --> 00:31:33.380 No, I had never heard of it either before I took this job. So it's don't feel bad, but, um, 00:31:33.380 --> 00:31:39.140 um, Cordon is a really, really small town on the outskirts of Louisville, Kentucky. Um, so it's 00:31:39.140 --> 00:31:43.940 about 30 minutes from Louisville. So we're close to a big city, but, um, we're really, really small. 00:31:43.940 --> 00:31:51.220 Um, so three years ago when we started streaming our internet speed, um, download was one megabit per 00:31:51.220 --> 00:31:58.100 second. Uh, so we obviously couldn't stream here. So what we would do was we would capture our Saturday 00:31:58.100 --> 00:32:04.660 night service and post produce it. So we multi-tracked it. Um, we mixed all of it. Um, and then we had it 00:32:04.660 --> 00:32:10.660 ready for Sunday morning. We would drive to the worship pastor's house on Sunday morning who had faster 00:32:10.660 --> 00:32:16.900 internet. We would stream from there and make it back in time to start the third service. Um, 00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:22.980 so in between first and second and third services, we would stream at his house and make it back in 00:32:22.980 --> 00:32:28.500 time. So that's definitely a challenge that we've overcome. We finally had, um, fiber internet come 00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:33.780 through our area and we jumped on board like right away. So now we're totally live. Everything we do 00:32:33.780 --> 00:32:38.820 is happening in real time, which is awesome. Um, great. Yeah. We used to multi-track because we didn't 00:32:38.820 --> 00:32:43.860 have the capability to mix in real time. We've since then have, uh, spent a little bit of money 00:32:43.860 --> 00:32:49.220 building a, uh, a separate broadcast mix studio, um, to make sure that the audio sounds good. 00:32:49.220 --> 00:32:53.380 You guys know that if audio sounds bad, then no matter how good the video looks, it's not a good 00:32:53.380 --> 00:33:00.820 video. Um, so we've been intentional about that. Um, so those are some, some big challenges and just 00:33:00.820 --> 00:33:07.140 financially in general, we're, um, we're a very blue collar society. Um, our, our kids in, in 00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:12.740 local schools, like 68% of them is below the poverty level to have like free lunches and stuff. 00:33:12.740 --> 00:33:19.140 And so, um, it's just been a challenge to, uh, to try to resource things. Um, we can't really buy 00:33:19.140 --> 00:33:24.820 high-end gear, but we can learn all about the gear that we have and use it to like its full capacity. 00:33:24.820 --> 00:33:26.180 That's, that's just been the biggest challenge. 00:33:27.860 --> 00:33:33.060 That's right. That's very encouraging though, Tyler. And especially for a lot of folks who are 00:33:33.060 --> 00:33:37.620 in communities like yours or everybody in church, no matter what size feels restrained in this 00:33:37.620 --> 00:33:42.100 particular area in the budget. And so it's always comforting to hear, Hey, we're just trying to 00:33:42.100 --> 00:33:48.500 maximize resources wherever we're at. Um, if, if you were to engage a senior pastor and you were to 00:33:48.500 --> 00:33:52.100 encourage him, whether either church plan or even he's been around for a while and he's already got the 00:33:52.100 --> 00:33:55.780 fear. Hey, but if they're not showing up in the room, how do I know if they're really involved in 00:33:55.780 --> 00:33:59.940 our church? Um, what would be the feedback that you would give them to encourage them and say, 00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:01.460 Hey, listen, this is legit. 00:34:02.820 --> 00:34:08.900 Yeah. Um, it's, I mean, it's a real, it's a real scary thing for, for senior pastors. The whole idea 00:34:08.900 --> 00:34:12.340 of online church in general is like, ah, man, they'll just stay home and watch it in their pajamas. 00:34:13.060 --> 00:34:20.180 Um, but I truly believe that, um, God has given us the internet. Um, and one day we're going to stand 00:34:20.180 --> 00:34:24.820 before him and he's going to say, Hey, I gave you this avenue to literally finally bring the gospel 00:34:24.820 --> 00:34:28.980 to, to everywhere in the world. Like you have the opportunity to do that. What did you do with it? 00:34:29.540 --> 00:34:37.700 Um, and fortnight, yeah, we did fortnight. Did you use it to just like mess around on 00:34:37.700 --> 00:34:43.540 TikTok or did you, did you use it to spread my gospel? And, uh, that's kind of where we, we have 00:34:43.540 --> 00:34:50.340 landed. So, um, it's been proven that, that it works for us. We had 49 people last year that 00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:54.660 it's not that they just like raised a hand. It's their lives are changed forever. Like, 00:34:54.660 --> 00:35:02.500 it's not a, it's not a 10 minutes from now issue. It's an eternal issue. And 49 people are now, um, 00:35:02.500 --> 00:35:06.020 going to, to worship Jesus forever. And that's a, that's a huge deal. 00:35:06.020 --> 00:35:11.700 And that's, that's good stuff, man. Hey, like, listen, thanks. Thanks for sharing. If there's, 00:35:11.700 --> 00:35:17.380 if people are interested in getting more information on, on church anywhere, um, where do they go? What 00:35:17.380 --> 00:35:21.620 do they need to do? Yeah, they can, they can reach out to me. They can reach out to you and you, you 00:35:21.620 --> 00:35:25.860 know, a ton about, uh, micro sites and all that good stuff. And we've chatted enough that you could 00:35:25.860 --> 00:35:30.660 put them in the right direction. I'm going to shamelessly plug something right now though. So in July, 00:35:30.660 --> 00:35:35.860 in July, we are having a conference called the online church conference. My church is hosting it. 00:35:35.860 --> 00:35:41.780 Uh, down here in the Louisville, Kentucky area. It's a one day with an optional stay over. Um, 00:35:41.780 --> 00:35:47.060 it's very affordable and we're going to talk a whole lot more about, uh, things like church anywhere, 00:35:47.060 --> 00:35:52.100 things like how to get started with, uh, with producing a product that would, would work for 00:35:52.100 --> 00:35:58.420 church anywhere. Um, how to engage your community online. Uh, we got guys like Jay Cranda is going to 00:35:58.420 --> 00:36:04.340 be doing a keynote from Saddleback. Um, uh, Jeffrey, uh, who's on this podcast is going to be doing a 00:36:04.340 --> 00:36:09.540 keynote and, uh, some other guys that are going to be leading some killer workshops. So that's awesome. 00:36:09.540 --> 00:36:14.260 Thanks for doing the selfless plug that ended up as well. So that worked well. No, listen, 00:36:14.260 --> 00:36:20.820 I'm excited, uh, about, honestly, I'm excited everything about church anywhere. Like to me, 00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:27.220 it's, it's the model because it's not a, like you're not a mega church. I think 2000 is like the mega 00:36:27.220 --> 00:36:31.540 number, whatever it is that it constantly is evolving, but you're not a big church, but you're 00:36:31.540 --> 00:36:38.580 a church that has a vision for how online can resource and get people the gospel and empower 00:36:39.380 --> 00:36:44.980 people to share the gospel and get connected. And so like, it's not a virtual building you're trying 00:36:44.980 --> 00:36:50.900 to gather people into the, the beauty of this is that you're empowering, you know, these 14 people 00:36:50.900 --> 00:36:56.740 to be campus pastors at different locations scattered around. And some woman who works as a, 00:36:56.740 --> 00:37:03.220 as a, uh, a technician or a nurse at a rehab center for, uh, Hotchwood Hodgkins. No, what it was in 00:37:05.860 --> 00:37:11.700 I mean, it's, it's like, my gosh, if, if, why would I not as a pastor want to do this? 00:37:11.700 --> 00:37:18.740 Sure. And, and it's, and it's, it's very few churches right now that have a vision like from 00:37:18.740 --> 00:37:24.900 top to bottom where it's, let's go. I was at a conference last week and I met a, a church in, 00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:29.860 in new England and, and he's been, he's been the pastor, lead pastor. He's been wrestling with this 00:37:29.860 --> 00:37:34.900 for about six months. And, and the deal where he's at is, is, um, and we'll probably get him on the show 00:37:34.900 --> 00:37:42.820 at some point, but literally he's, he's saying the question, 98% of people in new England are unchurched. 00:37:42.820 --> 00:37:48.260 They all hate church. They're not coming to my building. If I'm going to reach people, 00:37:48.260 --> 00:37:53.940 I can't get them in. I've got to figure out how to take church to them. And now he's starting to do 00:37:53.940 --> 00:38:00.100 your model. Like I'm literally describing to him what you're doing, Tyler, of, of taking, uh, 00:38:00.100 --> 00:38:06.020 using church online to take gospel, create these micro locations around Francis Chan, uh, 00:38:06.580 --> 00:38:11.060 evangelism of the future doesn't happen in our temples and cathedrals, but in our living rooms, 00:38:11.060 --> 00:38:18.500 in our homes. Yeah. And so the idea of, of empowering people with church, with the gospel 00:38:18.500 --> 00:38:25.540 to not just watch a service, but disciple someone man is, is, is phenomenal. It's super exciting. 00:38:25.700 --> 00:38:31.380 And man, I'm, I'm glad I met you. I'm glad you're doing it and, uh, keep going, keep, 00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:36.020 keep pushing on this because you're setting the standard right now that other churches are looking 00:38:36.020 --> 00:38:41.460 at. And then they're wondering, man, can, can I do this? Um, and so if for more information, 00:38:41.460 --> 00:38:45.140 check out that conference, uh, what, what website should they go to on that? 00:38:45.140 --> 00:38:56.020 Yeah. It's church online.me church online.me. So we'll put that in the show notes and, and, and some 00:38:56.020 --> 00:39:01.780 other things and we'll link to the church anywhere site as well, uh, for that. And, and, uh, Tyler's, 00:39:01.780 --> 00:39:06.420 um, you know, social media and all that we'll include in there and it's going to be awesome. 00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:10.100 Well, guys, thank you for the time. Any, any closing thoughts before we wrap? 00:39:11.620 --> 00:39:17.380 I think we about covered it. Awesome, man. I appreciate you guys, Tyler. Uh, thanks again, 00:39:17.380 --> 00:39:22.260 Ray. Thanks for jumping in and, uh, we'll see you guys next time. Thanks. All right.