WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.380 episode 40 of the church digital podcast and this is going to be a fun conversation today 00:00:04.380 --> 00:00:08.660 because i gotta tell well let me ask you this question let's just let's just back up i want 00:00:08.660 --> 00:00:13.780 to ask you this singular question what were you doing when you were 11 years old like what was 00:00:13.780 --> 00:00:19.920 your life what were you obsessed with when you were 11 i can tell you for me it was tim burton's 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:25.800 batman the first batman this is way before the nolan films batman begins this is like uh what 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:31.560 was his name michael uh michael douglas has the wrong one michael keaton yeah michael douglas 00:00:31.560 --> 00:00:37.180 michael keaton don't make that confusion michael keaton running around a batman outfit chasing uh 00:00:37.180 --> 00:00:46.680 jack nicholson the joker good movie 1989 that was me at 11 i was obsessed with that movie sneaking into 00:00:46.680 --> 00:00:53.400 movie theaters at the south dade amc plaza by the way if you're old school miami you understand the 00:00:53.400 --> 00:00:59.900 amc a damp back there at the south dade yeah so here's the deal while i was sneaking into movie 00:00:59.900 --> 00:01:06.660 theaters at 11 our guest today daniel heron he was starting a church he was starting a church in a 00:01:06.660 --> 00:01:14.620 virtual reality platform in a gaming platform called roblox while i was and probably the rest of us 00:01:14.620 --> 00:01:19.540 riding our bikes and having fun and goofing off and doing trying to stay as far away from church as 00:01:19.540 --> 00:01:26.040 possible this dude was actually creating a church in virtual reality on his own in roblox 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:32.160 completely on his own now let's pump the brakes here a little bit what is roblox this kid's 11 00:01:32.160 --> 00:01:37.800 like this this there's a lot of questions that are popping up here's the deal the dude's not 11 00:01:37.800 --> 00:01:44.040 anymore the dude's 19 so fast forward getting your delorean eight years into the future into today 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:51.520 he's still running this roblox church the robloxian christians and as a result of this ministry over the 00:01:51.520 --> 00:02:01.040 past eight years he has he has touched the lives of 24 000 people through this video game platform called 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:10.640 roblox and he is still going and doing this on a weekly basis it's an incredible story coming from a 00:02:10.640 --> 00:02:17.560 and i apologize here from a kid from a young adult from a gen z-er from somebody who should be doing 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:26.440 anything other than running a church in a virtual reality community this guy is doing it and i would 00:02:26.440 --> 00:02:32.420 love to understand the why and the how how he got here how he got started what was his motivation 00:02:32.420 --> 00:02:38.420 all of these things we ask in this in this podcast so here's the deal i'm bringing to the table ray 00:02:38.420 --> 00:02:44.180 the armist online pastor with christ fellowship of course of course uh co-host uh myself jeff with 00:02:44.180 --> 00:02:50.240 the church digital and daniel heron uh i don't even know what to call him he's not a pastor 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:57.940 the guy who's running the robloxian church in a conversation sitting around the robloxian church 00:02:57.940 --> 00:03:06.380 hey everybody here you go so i am i'm daniel heron i i grew up tacoma washington west side 00:03:06.380 --> 00:03:13.360 about an hour south seattle both my parents they met in in college just a few blocks away from where we 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:21.180 live and i sort of grow i've grown up in this like diverse uh lower income area of my city that's 00:03:21.180 --> 00:03:27.100 historically been has had some really tough uh it's been tough with gangs and crime and stuff so i 00:03:27.100 --> 00:03:33.260 sort of growing up i grew up around a lot of people that didn't look like me which was um i think 00:03:33.260 --> 00:03:40.340 important in the work that i do now born and raised in the presbyterian church um my local church is 00:03:40.340 --> 00:03:46.840 smaller my great it's actually funny my great great great grandfather actually started the church 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:51.820 that i go to now cool in tacoma which is pretty cool so sort of there's in my family there's this 00:03:51.820 --> 00:03:59.820 this uh building of um people that have been in ministry um and sort of has been inspirational to me 00:03:59.820 --> 00:04:04.360 uh to do this let me ask you this question do they consider you in ministry right now 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:10.580 they concern me in ministry yeah 18 year old i mean they wouldn't consider i don't they don't 00:04:10.580 --> 00:04:16.240 concern me ordained because i'm not ordained okay but they they do definitely consider what i'm doing 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:24.400 to be a church and to be ministry wow and on that note i don't think i've never actually run into 00:04:24.400 --> 00:04:30.820 anyone i mean i've shared this with probably thousands of people at this point thousands of 00:04:30.820 --> 00:04:37.880 uh individuals pastors i've never run across someone who has like challenged the idea of whether 00:04:37.880 --> 00:04:44.420 or not it's a church which i know in a lot of other people doing similar work like they've sort of run 00:04:44.420 --> 00:04:49.800 into people that have been opposed to it and in my experience maybe it's just that i'm a cute like 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:57.000 younger kid but um i've never experienced that which is has been a blessing i think but 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:03.520 i think i i think a good way to explain what you're asking is just to sort of tell you this story of the 00:05:03.520 --> 00:05:09.820 church and how it came to be well i just want to put you put you into the mindset of what i what i was 00:05:09.820 --> 00:05:16.740 in 2011 okay i was a sixth grader i was a sixth grader who loved computer games i would like come home 00:05:16.740 --> 00:05:22.740 from school every day and i just played these like uh flash games on random websites where like i get 00:05:22.740 --> 00:05:27.740 like you'll probably get malware from it or whatever but i was just like this is fun so i was playing 00:05:27.740 --> 00:05:35.680 these games and one day this banner ad you know don't click on the ads but i clicked on an ad and it 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:42.760 changed my life okay it was this little ad for a game called roblox and it was this the ad i don't 00:05:42.760 --> 00:05:49.060 remember what the ad was but i joined in it um i created an account and i started playing these 00:05:49.060 --> 00:05:55.420 roblox games and what roblox is for people that um are not of my generation they label themselves as 00:05:55.420 --> 00:06:00.720 an entertainment platform where they everything on there there's tons of millions of games that you 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:07.600 can play that are all created by different users on the platform so none of this the games that you play 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:13.560 have been created by the actual roblox team the roblox uh corporation it's all uh user created 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:18.200 user generated content then there's also like there's a virtual economy where you can like create 00:06:18.200 --> 00:06:24.420 and design uh clothing for your little avatar and you can sell it and you can earn virtual currency and 00:06:24.420 --> 00:06:29.980 can make groups for your games and all sorts of it's a really dynamic platform to make friends and play 00:06:29.980 --> 00:06:36.020 games with each other which is really cool and the little sixth grader me back in 2011 got hooked real 00:06:36.020 --> 00:06:44.240 fast i started just eating this stuff up i remember playing a lot of games for a lot of time and it was 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:51.420 really fun not gonna lie i really enjoyed it but there was this this time as time went on while i was on 00:06:51.420 --> 00:06:55.460 this platform i was like there's these different groups that you can join to be in community with one 00:06:55.460 --> 00:07:01.420 another online and i kept looking for a christian community because at the time and today my faith 00:07:01.420 --> 00:07:06.880 is a large portion of my life it's a big thing to me so i kept looking and searching for this like 00:07:06.880 --> 00:07:13.180 christian community you know i found one actually i found it was a group on roblox called the christians 00:07:13.180 --> 00:07:19.780 of robloxia and the christians of robloxia which is a very interesting name it's very robloxia name 00:07:19.780 --> 00:07:24.440 they were sort of just like a fan club for jesus so they were like a group on the roblox site that 00:07:24.440 --> 00:07:28.940 was just like join this group if you're a christian so it was just a big collection of people that said 00:07:28.940 --> 00:07:33.740 that they are christian didn't really do anything about it they just sort of just sort of like put 00:07:33.740 --> 00:07:39.920 this on your profile there wasn't much participation and i didn't i sort of didn't like that very much so 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:45.240 i was like huh um and after a while i decided to actually leave that group and some time passed and 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:50.240 i was still just searching for this community that was like i want people that that are passionate 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:55.540 about their faiths just like i am so i left this this group that was really didn't do all that much 00:07:55.540 --> 00:08:00.280 in terms of participation engagement and some time went by and i was just like there's still this like 00:08:00.280 --> 00:08:06.520 place in my heart where i want to be involved with other people my age um and do this sort of work but 00:08:06.520 --> 00:08:12.480 there wasn't one that existed on the platforms i remember very distinctly um it was the day after 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:21.420 christmas of 2011 i just received for christmas my very first um roblox little gift card uh to get the 00:08:21.420 --> 00:08:27.380 premium membership which was really exciting for the sixth grade me i was like oh yes i'm gonna be 00:08:27.380 --> 00:08:32.600 cool now i'm gonna be special and i can do things again so that was awesome but i got the membership 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:37.700 and with that membership you can create group so i created this group having no intention whatsoever 00:08:37.700 --> 00:08:43.600 what would be uh called the robloxian christians it started out um in the first couple of weeks it's 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:49.880 just a place where i would invite a few of my friends to come like this flat block really large block 00:08:49.880 --> 00:08:54.520 where we would join together with our little avatars and we would just uh pray together online for 00:08:54.520 --> 00:09:01.500 whatever was going on in our lives we would just chat and pray um through the platform because i was 00:09:01.500 --> 00:09:07.280 familiar with the platform it didn't seem weird or odd to me that i was doing it like this and really 00:09:07.280 --> 00:09:14.460 i don't really have words to describe how it transformed over time it was sort of just like 00:09:14.460 --> 00:09:19.860 somehow by god's grace and god's blessing more people started to show up each week we'd invite 00:09:19.860 --> 00:09:25.680 more people and they would come and eventually we were like oh boy we got that we got like 50 people 00:09:25.680 --> 00:09:30.680 coming now we need to like should we do something should we like make it more than just a 00:09:30.680 --> 00:09:36.000 base plate so we designed or i mean i designed there wasn't really much of a staff at that point but 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:42.880 we designed this uh this little virtual church building that kind of resembles like a one a one 00:09:42.880 --> 00:09:50.620 room uh church schoolhouse on the plains i don't know um it was very basic i was 12 at the time but 00:09:50.620 --> 00:09:57.440 um that was interesting we started having these virtual gatherings where we would um it was really it really 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:05.180 resembled um what my church looked like in real life so i would i would look at like the service 00:10:05.180 --> 00:10:10.580 um that i would go to on a sunday and then i would think about what are the different aspects so we 00:10:10.580 --> 00:10:16.000 would have like a worship and then we would have a time of prayer and we would have a sermon and then 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:23.120 i sort of replicated those in the online service in the afternoon which is really cool 12 right you're 12 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:28.980 yeah i was 12 at that point in time how are the people who are coming to this that's that's actually 00:10:28.980 --> 00:10:34.360 a tricky thing roblox never gives us demographics because it's like a kids platform right a kids 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:41.580 gaming platform so over time what we've done is um for our volunteer application which is sort of a 00:10:41.580 --> 00:10:49.680 like an off-site thing it's like users can choose to uh uh give information about themselves just 00:10:49.680 --> 00:10:56.840 demographic information and of the 1800 uh application or like staff applications that we've received 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:05.360 um we're able to get a picture of demographics and our average age ranges from i think the range is from 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:15.140 6 to like 26 but the average where most people are is middle school high school um 14 15 yeah so middle 00:11:15.140 --> 00:11:20.340 school or high schoolers don't want to sit in a in an average physical church building but they'll go 00:11:20.340 --> 00:11:28.120 and they'll experience a like a virtual service in a virtual building with that's kind of comprised the 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:34.200 same way utilizing virtual elements like that's crazy and i think what's what's really special about it 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:39.660 is that we're not making it challenging for them to go it's for them to attend they can show up at 00:11:39.660 --> 00:11:46.920 really any time and someone will be there they can participate in our discord server or on our like our 00:11:46.920 --> 00:11:52.180 discussion wall on the group page which is an area for prayer requests and such what's what's beautiful 00:11:52.180 --> 00:11:59.720 about having a church on a video game platform is it's where young people are already at i always like to 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:05.560 think of uh the story of zacchaeus when jesus was preaching and he uh zacchaeus was up in the old 00:12:05.560 --> 00:12:10.300 tree and he said gee zacchaeus i'm going to your house today i'm actually going to where you're at 00:12:10.300 --> 00:12:15.460 i'm going to talk to you i'm going to help you change your spirit and change your heart he actually 00:12:15.460 --> 00:12:20.500 went to where he was at he wasn't like hey zacchaeus come meet me at the synagogue or come meet me in 00:12:20.500 --> 00:12:25.280 the upper room or wherever he was like right here right now this is where i'm going to meet you and 00:12:25.280 --> 00:12:30.360 i think that's something that we're replicating and we're trying to do online it's been really 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:39.380 meaningful and successful everything's really special so 12 years ago you were reaching 50 00:12:39.380 --> 00:12:47.400 or so people uh or excuse me when you were 12 seven years ago yes seven eight years ago this was about 50 00:12:47.400 --> 00:12:54.580 people today um we're still doing roblox church like what what does it look like in a given sunday 00:12:54.580 --> 00:13:02.860 we are definitely still doing roblox church one of the limitations of roblox is that in the actual 00:13:02.860 --> 00:13:08.920 virtual world um there's like capacities on how many people you can actually fit because of the 00:13:08.920 --> 00:13:18.060 technical issues the the maximum that we can fit is uh 50 people um at one time but at our services we 00:13:18.060 --> 00:13:23.780 always have people joining and leaving so we're not going to have just 50 come what we consider 00:13:23.880 --> 00:13:30.220 membership in the church is actually joining that group that i talked about uh once someone attends 00:13:30.220 --> 00:13:37.240 either a service or one of our outreach events or uh visits our one of our outreach uh our god is love 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:42.740 prayer ministry um which i can talk about in a minute but once they visit that we encourage them to join 00:13:42.740 --> 00:13:47.400 the group and get involved in the church and that's how we track like the total membership of the church 00:13:47.400 --> 00:13:56.040 okay um the roblox service is just really the front door that funnels into yes and and i sort of think 00:13:56.040 --> 00:14:03.180 of the the community group as like as the group hub a hub or a portal to a bunch of other um where 00:14:03.180 --> 00:14:11.460 where the ministry actually happens online um but like to answer your question in our in our community group we 00:14:11.460 --> 00:14:27.800 we have um just under 24 000 um youth members um at a given service we might uh range from 400 to 800 people 00:14:27.800 --> 00:14:34.920 that would come at some point in time in that given service based on the stats that roblox gives us 00:14:34.920 --> 00:14:42.940 um so you've got you've got 24 000 names in a database that somehow engaged with a roblox 00:14:42.940 --> 00:14:49.820 service which you funneled into this database and then with the database what are you challenging 00:14:49.820 --> 00:14:57.000 them to do like what's what's the end game what's what's the goal of of this what we really challenge 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:06.440 the people in the group to do um is to attend the virtual services to get involved um ultimately our 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:12.260 our mission statement in the entirety of the church is to share the love and word of god with 00:15:12.260 --> 00:15:18.320 all young people online and part of what we're doing at the at the service is what we're preaching and 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:23.780 what we're talking about um especially in the sermon series that we're in right now is once you've made 00:15:23.780 --> 00:15:33.020 the the claim um once you've decided to follow jesus how do you go out and live out that um how do 00:15:33.020 --> 00:15:40.140 you live out um as a christian what's that lifestyle like how do you respond to people how do you act 00:15:40.140 --> 00:15:46.000 around other people especially on roblox um and on other gaming platforms and in your life what does it 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:52.660 look like to follow jesus and trying to equip people to equipping these young people to uh live 00:15:52.660 --> 00:15:58.380 differently and to live as as a light in a place where there's not much light that's that's really 00:15:58.380 --> 00:16:06.240 good dan um so tell me more about uh like are you taking them through like a discipleship process is 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:10.420 there a strategy that you're walking them through because that's that's some amazing stuff that you guys 00:16:10.420 --> 00:16:15.220 have been able to accomplish in such a short period of time really may feel like a long period of time 00:16:15.220 --> 00:16:18.300 but really in the life of a church it's a short period of time to reach the number of people that 00:16:18.300 --> 00:16:26.200 you're reaching yeah um but that's actually one of the challenges too i think i think that there's 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:33.300 something that's a challenge on a lot of the larger brick and mortar churches as well is the as we've 00:16:33.300 --> 00:16:39.600 grown larger it's harder and harder to engage people one-on-one um and harder to stay connected 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:46.000 we definitely have we have things that we try to do we encourage people to continue to attend services 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:53.600 to get involved in um our we have life groups going on um they meet on saturdays and then they're in 00:16:53.600 --> 00:17:00.140 breakout groups uh we really we also encourage them to get into the discord because the discord 00:17:00.140 --> 00:17:08.120 unlike the roblox group we're able to uh there's less uh censorship and filtered uh chat so we're able 00:17:08.120 --> 00:17:13.720 to share more and post more and it's more active in terms of like being vulnerable and sharing about 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:19.740 your life um and it's more of a everyday sort of thing um and building community with others 00:17:19.740 --> 00:17:26.660 as opposed to only when you're only when you choose um on the group on the roblox group there's more 00:17:26.660 --> 00:17:31.540 interaction on the discord and that's one of the big things that's important to me in this church is 00:17:31.540 --> 00:17:40.000 that just it's amazing to me how vulnerable people are um young people how much they share about their 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:45.040 lives with people that if they were in a brick and mortar setting they might not feel comfortable 00:17:45.040 --> 00:17:51.240 sharing it yeah which is there's that level of anonymity online which some people might say is 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:57.820 like that's dangerous because people are just going to take advantage of it but in my experience that 00:17:57.820 --> 00:18:03.720 hasn't been true at all people have actually used it to be more comfortable sharing which with what is 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:08.620 actually going on in their life and being open to support others in that process as well sorry to 00:18:08.620 --> 00:18:13.280 kick you off there in a previous episode we talked to uh dj soto and one of the things we talked about 00:18:13.280 --> 00:18:18.540 because he's doing church and vr which has a lot of overlap in terms of your experiences we talked 00:18:18.540 --> 00:18:23.360 about how this serves almost like a digital confessional if you will that having that layer 00:18:23.360 --> 00:18:29.700 in between you really helps somebody to kind of open up and you're seeing that right there's this one 00:18:29.700 --> 00:18:36.240 example i don't use it because it's a dramatic example but i use it because it it really was powerful 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:43.400 in my own life um to see what the work of the church is it was actually a really hard hard time in in the 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:51.240 life of my faith actually but we had three young people who were battling with depression and anxiety 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:59.660 we had three attempted suicides in the course of three weeks all unrelated i'm so we're so blessed that 00:18:59.660 --> 00:19:06.720 everyone survived and is doing better today um but there's there was this in one of them there was 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:13.160 this awesome beauty of seeing the interconnectedness of the of the online church um that because they 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:20.660 had because uh because sally had built such strong friendships and relationships through the church 00:19:20.660 --> 00:19:27.380 and through the discord ministry she had actually talked about what she was going through before she 00:19:27.380 --> 00:19:37.380 had attempted um attempted suicide she communicated so so like frequently that uh when she was actually 00:19:37.380 --> 00:19:44.420 doing it it was someone from the church uh several states away she was in alabama and the person that 00:19:44.420 --> 00:19:54.100 actually called 911 um or emergency services to rescue her was calling from wisconsin wow into her town so 00:19:55.540 --> 00:20:02.020 the friendships and relationships that were built through the online church um and the the level of what was 00:20:02.020 --> 00:20:08.980 shared in those relationships i think is incredibly powerful and i think that this is only three people just imagine 00:20:08.980 --> 00:20:14.100 what's happening i don't i don't know what's going on and with everyone's relationships but i know that there's 00:20:14.100 --> 00:20:19.380 these are pretty common these sort of strong relationships that are being built let's let's 00:20:19.380 --> 00:20:26.740 park on this for a second uh that great story but so you've got somebody in alabama and somebody in 00:20:26.740 --> 00:20:31.620 wisconsin and and even though they're in different time zones even though they're on different sides of 00:20:31.620 --> 00:20:37.620 the country even though they're not breathing the same air there's a friendship a relationship a 00:20:37.620 --> 00:20:43.780 comfortableness that in that desperate moment of need to reach out isn't to mom 00:20:43.780 --> 00:20:50.660 isn't to dad it's not to a school teacher it's not to anybody within the state it's in wisconsin 00:20:52.260 --> 00:20:57.860 the church today would would say that doesn't that doesn't happen um that you can't have 00:20:57.860 --> 00:21:04.260 community they can't have relationships that tight that intimate online yet strangely this the story 00:21:04.260 --> 00:21:16.200 here with with sally and whoever has so what as a young person what about online helps that 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:24.040 relationships connect when you're 19 and you're making connections with someone through roblox 00:21:24.040 --> 00:21:31.600 church or through discord or whatever the platform how can you connect with someone like that that 00:21:31.600 --> 00:21:39.480 maybe us as non-20 30 40 year olds as an older person maybe we struggle with that what's the 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:44.500 younger generation looking for that they're getting online i think i think to answer that question 00:21:44.500 --> 00:21:53.260 we have to consider the fact that to my generation at least i don't think that technology is so much 00:21:53.260 --> 00:21:59.520 i want to say that's not seen as a tool but it's not like something special it's something that we've 00:21:59.520 --> 00:22:04.860 grown up around that we've been surrounded in it's like second nature to us so like communicating 00:22:04.860 --> 00:22:11.580 online whether it's on discord or roblox or facebook or instagram or snapchat or any of those things 00:22:11.580 --> 00:22:17.300 and building relationships with people all the way around the world it's not it's not foreign it's not 00:22:17.300 --> 00:22:21.160 hard i think the way that i've been able to build these relationships with people that have been a 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:27.460 part of my church and people that haven't been part of my church is just the ability to communicate with 00:22:27.460 --> 00:22:34.920 them and the willingness to to have the trust that they're taking it seriously and that it's a real 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:41.140 relationship because i know i know that my friend gabe over in texas i know that he's a real person i know 00:22:41.140 --> 00:22:46.320 that he has real emotions and he's really caring so when i talk to him i don't feel this level of 00:22:46.320 --> 00:22:53.380 a disconnection because of technology i feel this greater level of connectivity because without it 00:22:53.380 --> 00:23:00.100 i wouldn't know who he was and i wouldn't be able to talk to him and as a i'm not a millennial what 00:23:00.100 --> 00:23:08.400 am i a gen z gen z born past 2000 yeah no offense sorry to discategorize you earlier i take it back 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:12.940 that's all right i'm a millennial in the group i felt agged by gif i was like gif what are you talking 00:23:12.940 --> 00:23:20.320 about man i'm oh my gosh i'm a proud lazy millennial just kidding yeah go on anyways like i like what i just 00:23:20.320 --> 00:23:27.380 said is that techno since technology is not foreign it's like it doesn't feel much different to text 00:23:27.380 --> 00:23:34.360 someone on discord than it feels to talk to them over the phone right in fact i think talking them to 00:23:34.360 --> 00:23:41.560 them over the phone might even be slightly more uncomfortable than talking to them with one of 00:23:41.560 --> 00:23:47.740 the other platforms and i think that a lot of people on on these platforms feel the same way 00:23:47.740 --> 00:23:54.140 because it's just we've grown up around it it's it's what we're used to and it's what we're acclimated 00:23:54.140 --> 00:23:59.920 to what we're finding is it's not it's not just a generational thing in that you know but but it is 00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:05.660 becoming more and more common in your age group and you know jeff and i got kids in you know that 00:24:05.660 --> 00:24:11.440 are that are gen z and so what's coming behind this is folks who are growing up into this you know and 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:15.840 i was introduced to roblox a few years ago and so at first when jeff told me hey we're gonna be 00:24:15.840 --> 00:24:20.060 talking to dan and you know he's got this robloxian christian group at first i thought it was a 00:24:20.060 --> 00:24:22.740 denomination to be honest with you i was looking it up like man i never heard 00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:32.560 dead serious and then and then i was like oh this is the game this is awesome you know um but it's 00:24:32.560 --> 00:24:36.380 but it's become much more than that because it's become this platform for interaction for people 00:24:36.380 --> 00:24:42.120 which is where so many people are finding connections because of mutual interest 00:24:42.120 --> 00:24:49.060 which then opens the doors for ministry and so i think what god has enabled you to do 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:55.980 as a sixth grader i mean my gosh as a sixth grader man is powerful that you recognize hey i'm gonna 00:24:55.980 --> 00:25:01.100 leverage uh this platform that god's given me and i'm just gonna bring my faith here along with me 00:25:01.100 --> 00:25:06.940 and then you know the seed was planted and god caused it to grow which i think is amazing dan uh can 00:25:06.940 --> 00:25:11.920 you take me through um can you take me through what a service looks like this is the question that 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:17.660 everyone asks and it's really challenging to describe if you're not like showing them the actual video 00:25:17.660 --> 00:25:24.980 however that's cool i'll do my best you have uh you have an avatar which is like it's like a little 00:25:24.980 --> 00:25:30.140 blocky lego guy kind of a cross between if you know what minecraft is it's a cross between like a 00:25:30.140 --> 00:25:35.000 minecraft avatar and like a lego minifigure and you can dress it up however you want so you have this 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:40.760 little avatar and when you click join into the virtual church space your little guy spawns in 00:25:40.760 --> 00:25:45.940 like in the middle of our lobby um in the church you can come in you can explore the different rooms 00:25:45.940 --> 00:25:51.640 our main worship area is where a lot of our services take place it's it's basically just a 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:59.360 small little amphitheater it's a lot of little avatars in it um at one time there's like we have pews 00:25:59.360 --> 00:26:04.560 or benches that you can actually come and sit your little avatar on and it'll look like you're sitting 00:26:04.560 --> 00:26:10.640 in it which is pretty cool and then we have a little stage where our coordinators come and they sit up 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:14.480 there and they're able to help lead the service and what the services actually look like for the most 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:19.380 part they're pretty uh standard to what you might think about when you think of a typical church 00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:26.760 service we have we open in worship we have our announcements we uh pray together um everything on 00:26:26.760 --> 00:26:36.120 roblox though is text chat so there's there's no uh voice aspect of it however with that said we are able 00:26:36.120 --> 00:26:44.920 to play mp3 audios in the background so during our our worship time we'll be playing um uh worship music 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:54.440 that's actually been recorded and played by our worship team prior to the service whoa you guys are recording 00:26:54.440 --> 00:27:00.200 your own music and then playing it that that's that's a different level of innovation the archers 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:04.680 we were talking about they were playing like videos from like youtube and stuff you see we used to do 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:10.120 that we used to do that and it was so much easier to be quite honest with you sure it was so much 00:27:10.120 --> 00:27:17.800 easier but then into that late 2017 roblox cracked down on all of the like copyrighted material yeah 00:27:17.800 --> 00:27:23.560 yeah because they yeah they they reached a point where it was like people started to care now we are 00:27:23.560 --> 00:27:29.880 unable to upload copyrighted material even if we have like licenses that allow us to have it which was 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:35.400 like what are we going to do we're either going to play like some open source like organ music from 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:41.960 whatever they whatever's available or we play the same songs but we encourage like members of the church 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:49.480 to step up and record it and we play it that way so that's what we've done wow um during worship so 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:55.000 while music is playing i feel like since it's all text to type sometimes it can be a little bit boring 00:27:55.640 --> 00:28:01.800 or like people will lose interest um but i think when we have the music playing in the background it sort 00:28:01.800 --> 00:28:09.800 of engages people and continues to draw people in which is really special i think also when i say text 00:28:09.800 --> 00:28:16.600 to chat to people that are not on roblox it it sounds like that would not work it doesn't work but 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:21.240 that's part of the idea of reaching people where they're at is that we're reaching people that are 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:26.600 familiar with the platform um they know how roblox works already so when they enter the church it's not 00:28:26.600 --> 00:28:32.680 some crazy foreign world that's like this is what i'm used to and this is like this is like an actual 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:38.600 community on here that i can engage in a little bit more about our services usually after a few songs 00:28:38.600 --> 00:28:45.160 of worship we'll enter into like the time of learning or the sermon um and usually on sundays i give that 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:52.520 on our services throughout the week um our other volunteer leaders will um lead that and usually it's 00:28:52.520 --> 00:28:57.960 thinking about scripture and how it applies and the situations that we're facing as young people 00:28:58.600 --> 00:29:05.960 um so it's really oriented towards younger our younger audience so it feels like it's uh you mentioned 00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:13.240 earlier like presbyterian raising you're basically executing a presbyterian service style kind of 00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:18.440 church right or somewhat but we call ourselves a non-denominational church 00:29:19.080 --> 00:29:25.880 for the sake of yeah we're a melting pot of lots of denominational traditions with that said the 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:33.640 services also feel semi not presbyterian they feel it feels very mixed like when i think of the 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:43.000 presbyterian church i think of hymns and um pews and uh the frozen shows and nobody raises their hands you 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:49.000 know our church the church that we have online is not like that we listen to them we play the modern 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:57.720 worship music that um large uh larger churches play our services are more engaging and there's a lot of 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:04.280 that like call and response not call and response that's a person the whole like say amen yeah everybody 00:30:04.280 --> 00:30:09.800 says amen and stuff there's a lot of that i myself am presbyterian and clearly it wears in but when other 00:30:09.800 --> 00:30:15.880 people are our other leaders are also leading i think they reflect some of their traditions as well into 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:22.120 it so sure that's sort of a good mix what you're talking about the the volunteers and the leaders like 00:30:22.120 --> 00:30:28.680 what's the leadership structure of this you got 24 25 000 names in in a database you're trying 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:36.440 your the goal is to create the services as an evangelical arm so like what how are you pulling this off what 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:45.000 what are the volunteers look like yeah so actually we're in a time of transition right now um previously 00:30:46.600 --> 00:30:53.480 well i guess i'll just kind of start from the top so there's myself who sort of oversees everything 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:58.600 and does a lot of the my work is really in the past couple of years has gone to a lot of the 00:30:58.600 --> 00:31:06.840 administrative behind the scenes funding development all that sort of stuff um as well as the pastoral 00:31:06.840 --> 00:31:12.600 stuff on sundays the next the next sort of tier of level of leaders is like we have our director of 00:31:12.600 --> 00:31:19.080 hiring our director of like facilities um our development people for actually building the people 00:31:19.080 --> 00:31:23.960 or building the places and all of that sort of thing and then we have a tier of coordinators 00:31:24.760 --> 00:31:32.360 that are all hired and trained so that they really understand the the functions of the church and 00:31:32.360 --> 00:31:37.800 what to do when like a troll comes in or how to respond to prayer requests or all these sorts of 00:31:37.800 --> 00:31:44.440 things they're really trained across all the different parts of the church and they are mentors to a 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:50.520 subgroup of volunteers so we have a volunteer staff then that's like the next tier down that 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:58.680 really makes up all of the different ministries of the church so we have this is where the transition 00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:05.000 is at actually we we used to have these formal teams that we would place volunteers on like our 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:10.680 prayer team worship team outreach team music team but we've sort of gotten rid of that and just made 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:16.200 a large pool of volunteers that are able to be assigned to different tasks at different times 00:32:16.760 --> 00:32:24.440 so they're all trained sort of equally and we we have this hiring process where our hiring director 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:30.200 there's this really we use google forms for our staff applications and people can just fill that out 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:37.000 and then our hiring director reads them and makes decisions on placing people and aligning the skills 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:42.760 that they list on their application with which team might best which tasks might best suit them 00:32:42.760 --> 00:32:50.040 so how many how many volunteers roughly are we talking about in this that's a good question i have to 00:32:50.040 --> 00:32:58.680 think about that for a second um i i know that we just graduated our new class our like new cohort of 00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:05.400 coordinators so i think we have eight okay i'm i'm gonna be honest when i was 19 i didn't even know 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:11.240 what the word cohort meant oh god you've got you just launched the new cohort with eight coordinators 00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:21.240 we have about 50 to 60 volunteers right now really sort of which is actually it's not where i want 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:26.920 it to be it's challenging because i want i want to have an opportunity for if someone wants to serve in 00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:32.840 the church i want to let them um that's good but we also want to have a system where we're able to train 00:33:32.840 --> 00:33:40.520 people and uh show them how to support other people in the church so my goal hopefully maybe by christmas 00:33:40.520 --> 00:33:48.280 maybe by easter is 120 volunteers i feel like that's a good number but we're at about 50 right now and 00:33:48.280 --> 00:33:53.560 those different coordinators are the ones that are managing all the activities of the volunteers as well 00:33:53.560 --> 00:33:58.360 well the tension you feel is the tension that every pastor in america feels i know 00:34:00.520 --> 00:34:06.120 there's never enough volunteers and there's ever there's always a desire um and a passion to do more 00:34:06.120 --> 00:34:11.960 in ministry so um but but but sounds like you're doing it right by getting the coordinators up top 00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:18.040 casting the vision to them letting them break down and and and lead you know an organization with with 00:34:18.040 --> 00:34:23.320 24 25 000 you know names obviously that's that's more than a 19 year old college kid 00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:30.040 and on spending the pacific northwest can handle uh and so kind of spreading that out and letting some 00:34:30.040 --> 00:34:37.880 others uh join in is is awesome absolutely what's the one thing and i've been thinking about this 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:43.480 question i'm not sure how to ask it but uh let's just see what happens here okay what's the one thing 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:50.520 that a roblox church can do that a physical church can't there's so many things that i could say to this 00:34:50.520 --> 00:34:56.920 question that i think there are really good answers to i think the thing that's most beautiful to me 00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:03.480 about the online church and it sort of is two things in one when you're constrained by brick and 00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:09.240 brick and mortar your walls and you're restrained by your geographic location i think what's most 00:35:09.240 --> 00:35:17.000 beautiful about our online church is how we are able to create community real community vulnerable community 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:26.920 with young people across borders across nations across states how our church represents every continent and 00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:35.720 every um u.s state i think it's beautiful when we are having a worship service and my friend from the 00:35:35.720 --> 00:35:42.600 philippines is online at the same time as my friend from the uk i think that's beautiful even though it's 00:35:42.600 --> 00:35:47.880 like way different time zones but it's still i think it's awesome that when when you're in church and 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:54.680 you're singing a song and you're singing praise to god your language um doesn't matter because you're 00:35:54.680 --> 00:35:59.640 singing one song of praise to god and that there's that sort of when we when we look at the church we're 00:35:59.640 --> 00:36:06.360 supposed to be one body united together and i see looking across all of the all of the places where 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:13.160 this church represents all the situations all the circumstances all the backgrounds of everyone in 00:36:13.160 --> 00:36:21.320 this big diverse melting pot of a church how we can still come together and honor god and love love 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:26.600 people on roblox and love people in the outside world i think that's beautiful that isn't necessarily 00:36:26.600 --> 00:36:34.360 available in brick and more churches also our online church is cheap i don't know there's always that 00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:43.240 how i was gonna ask how much does does it cost what it was a year a year up until 2017 and 2018 i started 00:36:43.240 --> 00:36:51.800 like uh we had some people that donated so that i can do this for my like job during school so the cost of 00:36:51.800 --> 00:37:01.400 the actual church by itself was under 500 for the first six years so we were reaching tens of thousands 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:09.000 of people for the less than the cost of the new iphone so that was really there's always that that 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:14.040 that's that's unbelievable so roblox is just it's it's a it's a relatively free platform i mean you said 00:37:14.040 --> 00:37:18.840 something about like uh advanced membership something you can get the membership you can get that for 00:37:19.640 --> 00:37:24.680 five bucks a month wow if we didn't have a website to upkeep we could be doing this for five bucks a 00:37:24.680 --> 00:37:34.360 month so it's it's really encouraging to see with with all of the platforms that are existing now all 00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:39.720 the different places these are all places that have the possibility to have other ministries and such 00:37:39.720 --> 00:37:47.400 hop on there and people passionate about this yeah so let me let me ask this when you were eight years ago 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:53.960 whatever you were 11 just starting this thing 11 and 12 did you know did you have a picture in your mind 00:37:53.960 --> 00:38:00.120 of what today would have looked like or are you figuring this thing out as you're going yeah i had no idea 00:38:00.120 --> 00:38:05.240 i had absolutely no idea what i was doing i was just making a place for me and my friends to pray 00:38:05.240 --> 00:38:12.440 together online and god took it and ran with it which was pretty awesome that is awesome that's not pretty 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:18.520 awesome that's amazing that is ridiculous in such a great way that god has used this 00:38:19.160 --> 00:38:26.440 and and you know to think that something that that started as just me and my friends online 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:35.400 playing this awful game that i had no idea what i was doing would be something that has been used to 00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:45.160 to inspire and motivate pastors around the world and would someday lead to be my job during college i 00:38:45.160 --> 00:38:51.880 just think that that is not only is an incredible story but it's it's just amazing to see how god is 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:58.760 working in in this online church and also in people that are passionate about doing similar work 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:06.920 um just to show that god moves and it's really incredible so it's good we've talked about this 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:13.000 recently about how churches are often they're afraid to experiment with things and and the reason that 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:19.960 they're afraid to experiment uh we talked about this in in episode 26 i actually went off on apple like 00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:25.560 just and i don't want to get into it i'm unearthing like painful stuff i mean you were going off on apple a few 00:39:25.560 --> 00:39:32.120 minutes ago yeah it's it's it's it's there's always something to go off on apple well done um but and 00:39:32.120 --> 00:39:39.320 i'm number one fan but here's the thing like like church when they look at this technology and especially 00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:45.800 because they're not native they're not like grown up in it it's still this outside it's still this 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:54.120 external thing they're not like you gen z kid who has grown up with this as as just part of normal life 00:39:54.120 --> 00:40:00.120 they're afraid to experiment and as a result a lot of times they're afraid to to try something until 00:40:00.120 --> 00:40:06.440 they figure out where the finish line is and one of the things that i love love about you dan is at age 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:12.040 11 and 12 man you're just playing around with the kids your your friends and you see something and oh 00:40:12.040 --> 00:40:17.640 let's let's build on that okay let's build on that let's try that then all of a sudden you got 24 00:40:17.640 --> 00:40:25.240 25 000 names in a in a database that you've touched at some point and now you've got 50 plus volunteers 00:40:25.240 --> 00:40:31.400 with a vision and a passion to double that number you know by the end of the year um and so you didn't 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:39.000 know that when you were 11 and 12 most people don't know that um but the fact that i mean honestly 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:44.680 you've stuck with this idea for eight years that's right um that's i'm just gonna tell you right now 00:40:44.680 --> 00:40:50.040 i've in my life i have never had a job eight years um i got issues there's other things that we can talk 00:40:50.040 --> 00:40:55.800 about that but i've just i've always bailed ship going this going to something else and so yeah you've 00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:01.640 reached 24 000 in eight years really quickly um but at the same time the longevity i just want to 00:41:01.640 --> 00:41:07.880 praise you man compliment you with this the longevity of you to stick with this idea um through the 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:13.880 fruition to where it is today and still have passion to drive to run it even further man that's that's 00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:19.960 awesome well done with that i think real quick if i want to add i there have been lots of people real 00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:25.480 real quick uh there have been lots of people that have done similar work on roblox not necessarily to 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:33.320 the scale that my church has grown to um but have sort of off have like shoot it off from our ministry 00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:39.000 to uh try and do their own sort of things and i know that there have been other attempts um by other 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:44.760 organizations to do similar work i just think in my experience the number one thing that has 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:51.480 allowed for this success other than god's grace and god's blessing has just been staying committed 00:41:52.040 --> 00:42:00.760 to kept showing up because i remember in 2013 2014 there would be times when we had one or two people 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:07.000 show up to a service and you're like should i cancel this should i should i not should i just keep going 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:13.000 with it and we would have the service even with those one or two people there because we are still 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:20.840 being able to um we're still able to be a blessing to someone and to um to offer a space for someone who 00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:28.120 might need it so yeah i think that staying committed in whatever whatever ministry or mission or career 00:42:28.120 --> 00:42:36.840 that you're in is um super um important what advice would you give to somebody who's starting up so 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:44.520 maybe it's not roblox maybe it's blah blah blah video game platform they want to start um a church in 00:42:44.520 --> 00:42:51.080 playstation voo whatever i don't know your i don't know that world i confess but somebody wants somebody 00:42:51.080 --> 00:42:58.200 some kids got some idea what's your advice i would not necessarily recommend going the route that i went 00:42:58.200 --> 00:43:04.040 starting with something that you don't know what it what you want it to be like if you have a goal in 00:43:04.040 --> 00:43:12.200 mind of what you want to accomplish that is excellent i think it's significantly harder if if you went the 00:43:12.200 --> 00:43:17.080 route that i went that was like i don't know what i'm doing and i'm just going to go and go with it 00:43:17.640 --> 00:43:23.720 um it has shown awesome rewards and it's been a beautiful blessing but with that like i don't know 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:31.160 mentality um it's also presented a lot of challenges so i would recommend talking to your 00:43:31.160 --> 00:43:37.000 friends talking to your family maybe a mentor and figuring out uh what do i want to accomplish 00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:47.400 um i'd also i can't i can't echo enough how much having um mentors and adults in my life that have 00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:53.640 been supportive of it have uh made it easier and taken the burden off when some days you just 00:43:54.280 --> 00:44:01.160 some days you get off of this and it's just stressful because people are just being crazy and you just want 00:44:01.160 --> 00:44:08.760 to scream or you want to cry or whatever it is and you get off and you're just like you're able to talk 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:16.120 to someone who maybe they've been through this sort of thing before or they um are just there to listen 00:44:16.120 --> 00:44:22.520 but having someone that you can talk to and um pray with and um who's willing to support you 00:44:22.520 --> 00:44:27.800 through the work you're doing is really important i think there's hard i mean there's hard times in 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:33.720 that right the service for one or two uh people show up i mean i'll be honest when i have conversations 00:44:33.720 --> 00:44:41.000 with church planners it's the same what you just said is is the same advice you know uh stay committed 00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:46.840 stick through it have people around that can can mentor you uh have people around that can give you 00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:52.920 advice um you're not alone and and really i mean there there have been times in my life doing ministry 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:58.760 especially in online circles we've talked about it in past episodes but i felt alone too i felt like 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:05.080 nobody was thinking the way that i was um you know and i didn't have that support base around me and so 00:45:05.080 --> 00:45:12.920 dan you know well done getting that support base around you to help out um to to coach you as you 00:45:13.640 --> 00:45:21.240 develop this idea as an 11 year old to now a still a young 19 year old um running this this uh this 00:45:21.240 --> 00:45:28.920 thing this organization this this church online so that's great hey hey ray as we're wrapping up um 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:39.480 any any thoughts yeah you know um as as we look to innovation you know in the future um then i love how 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:45.240 how you just followed the string of curiosity and even though you know it's been riddled with questions 00:45:45.240 --> 00:45:50.360 that i'm sure have bottled your mind and uh i'm sure it's been tough man i just want to encourage you 00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:56.440 and i want to encourage others man to you know stay curious and stay hungry man and keep keep finding 00:45:56.440 --> 00:46:03.960 new paths for people because you know roblox is your way dan i don't know what what jeff's daughter 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:08.440 what my daughter what's going to be their way to reach people for christ and so it's just a powerful 00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:14.360 thing to see people utilize this so thanks dan for for being part of this yeah yeah i i can promise 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:19.800 this there's going to be more dan's out there as as technology gets more and more in the hands of 00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:26.760 of individuals and not companies and organizations i and i do believe this and i've blogged this uh 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:31.000 historically i i think innovation is not going to come from the church it's going to come from 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:38.120 individuals like dan who are driving innovation for the church uh and when you look at innovations 00:46:38.120 --> 00:46:42.760 historically even like billy graham using his message and satellites to bounce it to a million 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:49.080 people that wasn't the church that was billy graham in a ministry to help the church in that context 00:46:49.080 --> 00:46:54.520 even paul writing the letters that he did uh maybe that was the big c church back in back in the new 00:46:54.520 --> 00:46:59.160 testament but it was really paul taking the time to write the letters and then mailing them off to 00:46:59.160 --> 00:47:05.960 individual churches so oftentimes it's the individual who stands up and and uh dan thanks for you know 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:11.400 being that 12 year old kid instead of um you know doing the stupid stuff that i was probably doing 00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:17.160 when i was 11 or 12 i'm trying to think what movie you know what it was it was batman it was the uh 00:47:17.160 --> 00:47:22.120 it was the first batman the the was it michael keaton jack he doesn't know he doesn't know what that 00:47:22.120 --> 00:47:28.200 is he knows the dark knight he doesn't know i'm just saying older people out there listening no no 00:47:28.200 --> 00:47:32.760 listen i watched batman 40 times in the theater that was me you know the guy that they make fun 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:40.760 of the watch uh in game like 87 times that was me with with um uh the the batman the first batman 00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:46.200 before batman begins so uh way to like not be that guy and actually like accomplish something with your 00:47:46.200 --> 00:47:51.800 life and make the rest of us look bad so dan as we're as we're landing the plane uh man if somebody 00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:57.240 listening wanted to get more information or wanted to find out or volunteer help out and support you guys 00:47:58.200 --> 00:48:06.200 where should they go uh yeah um if they want to get involved or learn more about us or see some 00:48:06.200 --> 00:48:15.080 media about us um they can just go to our website at the robloxian christians.org um and there's 00:48:15.080 --> 00:48:21.160 plenty of information on there uh to help you all out so awesome so we'll put that in the show notes 00:48:21.160 --> 00:48:31.400 robloxian the robloxian christians.org that's awesome and very clear so hey listen this has been 00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:38.760 been a great podcast i love hanging around kids that i forgive me dan you know what young adults 00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:47.800 are doing listen i am not one but i love hanging around young adults um who uh you know embrace this 00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:53.880 technology piece for the kingdom and do phenomenal things as a result and the the community the 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:59.160 connections i mean i'm just even thinking back to sally's story i mean there's just a phenomenal 00:48:59.160 --> 00:49:05.880 engagement of technology that the younger generation is seeing that the older generation has yet to to 00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:12.520 realize and so dan man thanks for being on the cutting edge of this uh for ray for dan my name is jeff 00:49:12.520 --> 00:49:17.640 with the church digital thanks again for being here and uh we'll see you next time you all have a good day