WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.460 Well, hey, welcome to the Church Digital Podcast. This is episode 52 for those of you 00:00:04.460 --> 00:00:08.780 that are keeping track at home, and we're doing a special edition here for the episode. 00:00:09.260 --> 00:00:15.600 Normally, we were supposed to have this awesome conversation about the biblical functions of a 00:00:15.600 --> 00:00:20.460 digital church. We're just not going to go there because I really felt like we needed to head in 00:00:20.460 --> 00:00:27.460 a different direction as we're looking more and more at coronavirus and what's happening with that. 00:00:27.460 --> 00:00:33.540 This is not meant to be an alarmist episode. I probably actually do lean a little bit more to 00:00:33.540 --> 00:00:42.080 the alarmist side, but honestly, the conversation of how church online can reinforce and help the 00:00:42.080 --> 00:00:50.460 church and maybe helping churches develop a strategy for how to handle situations when catastrophes are 00:00:50.460 --> 00:00:55.120 happening or when they're about to happen or after they happen, it's kind of important. 00:00:55.800 --> 00:01:01.660 I myself, the church that I was at, First Baptist Church of Perrine, 1992 got hit by Hurricane Andrew. 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:09.500 The roof fell within the church. I myself, in the house where I was at, I spent the majority of that 00:01:09.500 --> 00:01:15.380 hurricane, that Sunday night to Monday morning, huddled in the minivan in my garage as the rest 00:01:15.380 --> 00:01:21.680 of the house around me was exploding and literally exploding because the pressure was more inside than 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:28.160 out and then it just kind of exploded. But what the fun part of it was my entire family, my dog, 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:34.920 and my 87-year-old great aunt were all huddled in this van because that was the safest place. 00:01:35.520 --> 00:01:43.100 And then it took us 18 months to get our lives back together. It took the church probably 16 months to 00:01:43.100 --> 00:01:51.440 reopen. And we can, we know that tragedies like this happen. So whether corona happens or if you're in, 00:01:51.440 --> 00:01:57.000 you know, the East Coast, Southeast like I am, hurricanes, or if you're in the Midwest dealing with 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:03.340 tornadoes, i.e. Nashville even this week, or if you're on the West Coast dealing with the earthquakes and 00:02:03.340 --> 00:02:10.600 everything that's there, I do think it's important for churches to have a strategy up front to try to figure out 00:02:10.600 --> 00:02:16.620 how to respond in those situations. Oftentimes when you do it after the fact, especially when you're 00:02:16.620 --> 00:02:22.840 talking technology, you don't have that infrastructure in place, but even a couple conversations up front 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:29.520 can help you go a long way in the midst of the quote-unquote storms of life. So I wanted to bring 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:35.400 together a panel of some guys and really just wanted to talk through some options about this. So I've got 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:41.220 four people jumping on here. Andrew Statsny from, well, Andrew, man, why don't you just take a minute 00:02:41.220 --> 00:02:47.120 and introduce yourself? Yeah, yeah. I work with CDF Capital. I do a lot of online consulting work with 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:54.580 churches. I worked at Life.Church for nine years and have a small tech startup as well. 00:02:55.180 --> 00:03:00.460 Andrew's a great guy working in the church online circles, and I've loved rubbing shoulders with him 00:03:00.460 --> 00:03:06.380 and in some of these conversations. As well, I'm bringing in Kevin Lee from Saddleback. Kevin's no stranger 00:03:06.380 --> 00:03:12.520 to the podcast. Kevin was on probably episode eight or nine. It's been a while talking about a lot of the 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:17.260 perceived issues that people have with church online. But Kevin, why don't you just a little bit what you 00:03:17.260 --> 00:03:22.200 specifically do over there at Saddleback? Yeah, Jeff, good to be back. Thanks for having me. 00:03:22.460 --> 00:03:27.580 And I'm the small groups pastor for the online campus at Saddleback. I've been doing that for two 00:03:27.580 --> 00:03:38.040 years. And I just want to thank you for having me because this episode was born out of my Facebook 00:03:38.040 --> 00:03:45.440 post kind of crying out for help. So thanks for doing that, Jeff. Awesome. Yeah. Kevin posted on, 00:03:45.820 --> 00:03:49.160 well, we're going to get into that here in a little bit. Let's introduce the rest. But I do want to spend 00:03:49.160 --> 00:03:55.680 time on that post. We've got Jason Day from Outreach Magazine, probably my newest friend. 00:03:56.340 --> 00:04:01.380 I met Jason over at Exponential Conference, and I've loved spending some time with him. So Jason, 00:04:01.980 --> 00:04:06.240 man, just tell us a little bit about what you do for Outreach. Yeah, for sure. Thank you so much, 00:04:06.320 --> 00:04:11.700 Jeff. Excited to be on here with you guys. Yeah, I'm the vice president of mobilization 00:04:11.700 --> 00:04:16.500 and outreach. So I oversee our major ministry initiatives. I also host the Church Leaders 00:04:16.500 --> 00:04:22.800 Podcast. I serve as executive director of National Back to Church Sunday. And so do a lot of speaking 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:28.000 and training and kind of strategizing with denominations and ministry organizations, 00:04:28.300 --> 00:04:35.160 church planting networks, local churches on how to be more effective in sharing the gospel. 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:42.160 And of course, to wrap up the panel, Ray DeArmas, digital pastor from Christ Fellowship Miami is in 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:45.840 the midst of travel. So he's phoning in. Ray, you want to say hey? Hey, everyone. It's great to be 00:04:45.840 --> 00:04:49.860 here with you. And I'm glad to be joined by these great guys from all over the place, man. Pleasure to 00:04:49.860 --> 00:04:54.840 have you all on. Yeah, the awesome thing is like we've got like Ray and I are here down in Miami and 00:04:54.840 --> 00:05:01.240 Kevin and Andrew are in California. So we've got the hurricanes and we've got the earthquakes covered. 00:05:01.940 --> 00:05:06.960 Jason's in Colorado and I'm not actually sure what the natural disaster there is except for 00:05:06.960 --> 00:05:14.160 glorious snow and skiing. But I'm sure there's some bad that, you know, does it get so bad in 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:18.520 Colorado that you can't actually go to church? You get snowed in, right? That's a thing. 00:05:18.940 --> 00:05:25.560 Yeah, snowed in would be snow and ice might be the big thing that would keep people home. 00:05:25.900 --> 00:05:32.680 Kevin, you reached out. You wrote a post maybe Sunday or I think it was Monday by the time that 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:37.700 it had really hit me because you were talking about, Kevin, why don't you describe it? 00:05:38.080 --> 00:05:44.260 Yeah. So just to share a little bit of background, I was born and raised in Korea and came to the 00:05:44.260 --> 00:05:52.600 United States when I was 11. So, you know, Korea is dear and near to my heart and I have a close 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:59.780 connections and all my extended family are in Korea. And when this outbreak of coronavirus happened, 00:05:59.940 --> 00:06:09.620 started in China. But very quickly, some people in Korea had been infected. And it just, 00:06:11.260 --> 00:06:19.700 because of the nature of the virus being epidemic, it kind of shook the country as a whole. So, 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:27.600 and I've started to see a lot of hosts on my Facebook feed who are pastors in Korea saying, 00:06:27.820 --> 00:06:36.800 hey, we are going to now turn to online service for their gatherings. And I saw that. I've seen a couple 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:45.320 of online church services that they were doing. And Korea is a much, very much of a conservative 00:06:45.320 --> 00:06:55.900 like culture. And that is reflected on Christian or any, any religion. So not a lot of churches have 00:06:55.900 --> 00:07:01.980 online ministries and figured out. So I've seen a lot of churches, even the big churches kind of 00:07:01.980 --> 00:07:08.420 struggling to do online ministry. And I just wanted to, even though I'm at Saddleback and we've been doing 00:07:08.420 --> 00:07:14.460 online ministry for a while, and I'm learning a lot of, a lot of things. I just wanted to get more 00:07:14.460 --> 00:07:22.240 resources and information about how other churches do online services in small group ministry and giving. 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:30.800 So those things, I just, I just gather my thoughts and posted. And then this, this group of people came 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.820 together. So I'm here to learn from a lot of people here. 00:07:35.380 --> 00:07:42.360 That's awesome. Well, let me ask this, like, you know, here in America, I'm speculating, but the number of 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:47.420 churches versus the number of churches that are probably doing something online. And I don't know, one of you may have 00:07:47.420 --> 00:07:52.660 better stats, but it feels like it's one to 2% of churches that are broadcasting something, you know, 00:07:52.680 --> 00:08:00.340 I'm looking at 350,000 evangelical churches. Maybe there's 25,000 at this point that I think are, that 00:08:00.340 --> 00:08:05.840 are on church online platform. So, I mean, even if it's 3%, it's a very small percentage. I think we can 00:08:05.840 --> 00:08:11.200 safely say that. What is that, that are already doing church line? Is it like that in Korea? Is there 00:08:11.200 --> 00:08:13.060 more? Is there less? What, what does it look like? Do you know? 00:08:13.060 --> 00:08:20.240 You know, I don't know the exact stat, but, um, I know there aren't that many, it's probably 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:28.140 less than 1%. Yeah. What I can see is I've seen over the last year, over the last six months, 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:33.300 some bigger churches, uh, and there are a lot of big churches in Korea, uh, bigger churches 00:08:33.300 --> 00:08:41.100 turned to YouTube live to do online services, but it was very limited. There was, uh, no chatting, 00:08:41.100 --> 00:08:48.600 no really ministry involved other than live streaming, uh, because all before that, even 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:55.140 before live streaming, it was all just recorded and putting out on their website. Um, and that 00:08:55.140 --> 00:09:02.480 was the extent of online ministry. So this is all new. A lot of churches are, and this is 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:08.560 very like emergency for a lot of churches in Korea. Yeah. And, and I don't want, I once again, 00:09:08.560 --> 00:09:14.080 I really don't want to be alarmist or anything like that, but like, what, what, what's, what's 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:21.540 the state of, of Korea in this? Like our, I'm quarantined inability to, to gather together 00:09:21.540 --> 00:09:26.060 in groups. Like, as you know, people who are over there, friends and family, like, what are 00:09:26.060 --> 00:09:33.740 you, what are they reporting out to you? Yeah. So all the, not, not all, but majority of churches, 00:09:33.740 --> 00:09:40.240 and I say this in a church perspective, majority of the churches are turning to online and not 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:47.780 meeting, meeting, uh, physically. And that, that's also some other, you know, political campaigns, 00:09:47.780 --> 00:09:55.700 um, other social kind of gatherings are all being canceled and churches are probably the, 00:09:55.700 --> 00:10:01.640 the biggest because they meet regularly. So then, you know, as, as we look and learn some lessons from, 00:10:01.640 --> 00:10:07.700 from the Korea aspect where, where they're having to, to go to church online, how, how long have they been 00:10:07.700 --> 00:10:14.780 enabled to, to meet in groups? And is there any, is there any like future, what, what are they expecting? 00:10:14.780 --> 00:10:17.240 Like what's, what's the government saying over there? 00:10:17.380 --> 00:10:25.180 You know, actually it's been about two Sundays. I think it's two Sundays that, that churches have 00:10:25.180 --> 00:10:33.760 kind of replaced their physical gatherings with online church. And it was just announced, um, that 00:10:33.760 --> 00:10:38.320 they were just going to do it for two weeks and then they'll probably meet again. Um, but all the, 00:10:38.680 --> 00:10:44.740 all the churches that kind of embraced online ministry are extending that, uh, indefinitely until 00:10:44.740 --> 00:10:51.260 it gets better, um, which people are speculating, it could be two more weeks, but it could be another 00:10:51.260 --> 00:10:57.780 two months. And, and what's really hurting the church over there is because online ministry and 00:10:57.780 --> 00:11:07.380 online churches so, um, so new, um, online giving, um, wasn't an option before. So you would imagine a lot 00:11:07.380 --> 00:11:16.540 of churches on, uh, that are on loan and that have borrowed money, have no really way to, um, do giving. 00:11:16.540 --> 00:11:23.860 So, um, I've heard that a lot of churches are, if this continues to two months and three months, 00:11:23.860 --> 00:11:31.500 and a lot of churches could close down. And that's, that's a sad news for, for Korea and for the body 00:11:31.500 --> 00:11:38.200 of Christ. Yeah. It's crazy to think, you know, something every, every operationally the city is 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:44.040 fine. Like it was, it was funny. Even my wife and I, we were, we were dialoguing through, um, like our 00:11:44.040 --> 00:11:50.480 house, like what, what, what do we need to go buy? And I immediately went to like, okay, buy meat for the 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:55.840 grill. Cause I can cook with propane when the pot, when the power's out. And she's like, but the power 00:11:55.840 --> 00:12:02.340 will be fine. Like we'll be able to watch Netflix all day long. If we were, you know, had to, we had 00:12:02.340 --> 00:12:06.620 to be, you know, locked in for some reason or something. So it's a completely different paradigm 00:12:06.620 --> 00:12:13.020 than even what I'm used to, um, in context of this. And so one of the things that I'd love to do just 00:12:13.020 --> 00:12:18.520 with, with the guys that are on here, it's just to start to dialogue through, you know, there are some 00:12:18.520 --> 00:12:23.840 things that, that I think, and, and, uh, Kevin brought up the thing about, uh, giving and honestly, 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:28.720 and my knee jerk reaction was, man, I really feel like a lot of churches here in America, 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:33.980 like understand the online giving component piece, but I also deal with churches that are 00:12:33.980 --> 00:12:38.140 primarily already doing church online and are probably more of that tip of the spear when it 00:12:38.140 --> 00:12:43.100 comes to technological. And so I don't really want to assume like adoption rates or some of that. So 00:12:43.100 --> 00:12:49.240 wanted to just maybe talk through what are some options, what are some easy ways for forgiving for, 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:55.000 for broadcasting, for even trying to figure out how to help ramp in the groups and things like this, 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:59.380 because possibly speaking, the American church could be dealing 00:12:59.380 --> 00:13:04.400 with something like this. Secondarily, not that it's run in order, but Korean church could probably 00:13:04.400 --> 00:13:08.980 use some resources and directions for how to do this, especially if they're trying to figure out how 00:13:08.980 --> 00:13:13.340 to do this for, you know, a couple more months. And then thirdly, we're all going to need some 00:13:13.340 --> 00:13:18.100 guidance at some level, because if it's not Corona, it'll be another disease or it'll be in another, 00:13:18.100 --> 00:13:24.660 um, you know, earthquake or tornado or hurricane or the zombie apocalypse could one day, in fact, 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:30.680 come that, you know, everybody watching sci-fi network is fearing. I'm kidding. Um, although a 00:13:30.680 --> 00:13:37.060 friend of mine actually is preparing, but that's for another podcast. So, um, but let's, let's, 00:13:37.140 --> 00:13:41.180 let's dive into this. Like, um, you know, let's talk about giving. It's the thing that he said, 00:13:41.180 --> 00:13:47.600 he said up front. So like in this, once again, stats, ideas, even, even theories, I'm not looking 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:53.120 for hard facts here as much as gut, like, is there a large adoption rate here in America when it comes 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:58.720 towards online giving? Have we already solved this problem? And for this, for the Korean people, 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:03.600 like, what would be, are there solutions at this point to help them on board? What, what's involved? 00:14:03.680 --> 00:14:07.860 Well, Jeff, I feel like online giving, um, has become a thing in the United States for, 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:13.540 for quite a bit. Um, and I think some of the other folks that are on this pod would agree. Um, 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:19.940 and for churches, I mean, for churches that would be in a rush now to adopt, uh, online giving, 00:14:19.940 --> 00:14:23.820 I think they'd, I think they'd find themselves stretched at this point because obviously the big 00:14:23.820 --> 00:14:28.700 thing is, is helping walk your people through the process of actually logging onto the website. 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:32.900 Uh, you know, tying your bank account to it, et cetera. Um, so it's not that it's too late for 00:14:32.900 --> 00:14:38.280 some folks, but it's, it's that it increases the difficulty of onboarding people. If you've not 00:14:38.280 --> 00:14:42.640 already gone through some of that process, the tools are there, it's already laid out and there's 00:14:42.640 --> 00:14:47.020 a lot of competitors in that space. It's just the onboarding of people and the education of, 00:14:47.280 --> 00:14:50.760 of helping others along in terms of getting them on online giving that I think is, 00:14:50.800 --> 00:14:52.820 is going to be tough if you're just starting out. 00:14:52.820 --> 00:14:58.360 Yeah. I would agree with Ray on that, Jeff, because, and one of the things that we're really 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.800 encouraging churches to think through is if you do not have online giving set up already 00:15:03.800 --> 00:15:10.460 to, to one, get it going, but then make sure that over the next few weeks that you have, 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:14.940 you know, you're, you're communicating this in your church as you're able to, if you're able 00:15:14.940 --> 00:15:20.260 to publicly gather at this point, um, that you are communicating this, you are kind of onboarding 00:15:20.260 --> 00:15:24.720 people, you are making this something that you're talking about. Um, you know, you don't want to 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:31.440 wait until, um, public gatherings, if that happens, you know, are, are no longer available to suddenly 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:38.120 try to, as Ray said, onboard people. You want to go ahead and be proactive right now. Um, and it's 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:44.140 going to be beneficial, you know, regardless if, if it closes, you know, your, your gatherings or not. 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:48.960 Um, so, but you want to be thinking of not just the online giving platform and what that looks like 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:53.620 and thinking internally, but you want to definitely be thinking about that external communication piece 00:15:53.620 --> 00:15:59.500 to your people. What does it look like? You know, have a kind of sort of a help station, um, in your 00:15:59.500 --> 00:16:04.780 foyer, in your lobby, kind of talking with people already over the next few weeks to help them 00:16:04.780 --> 00:16:11.160 understand how it works and, and to kind of get on. Yeah. And I, I'm following up on, on Jason 00:16:11.160 --> 00:16:20.300 as well. Um, I would, I would fine tune my language when it comes to giving, uh, when you're receiving an 00:16:20.300 --> 00:16:26.600 offering or when you have a generosity moment, if you have your offering in the back or you don't, 00:16:26.660 --> 00:16:33.620 or you pass a bucket, whatever it is, fine tune the language now to just say, and obviously the easiest 00:16:33.620 --> 00:16:39.640 and simplest way to give the safest way to give is online and have that on a screen, pop it up, 00:16:39.700 --> 00:16:45.620 make it super simple for people to understand. So many of the platforms have texts to give so that 00:16:45.620 --> 00:16:51.680 you can just simply send a text and get right into kind of their, their giving pipeline. Um, I would 00:16:51.680 --> 00:16:57.620 even have, you know, I'd be looking at simple things. In addition to my giving platform, I'd be 00:16:57.620 --> 00:17:03.380 looking at a Venmo account. I'd be looking at a PayPal account just to have it as a backup so that 00:17:03.380 --> 00:17:07.460 if there's people that are easy or it's easier for them to do that, and that's what they're comfortable 00:17:07.460 --> 00:17:14.000 with, man, make it available. But the language, language sets culture. We know that. So repeat it 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:19.780 over and over and over again. And if, you know, three weeks from now, if you're a senior pastor or a 00:17:19.780 --> 00:17:25.580 campus pastor somewhere, you do stage time, you should almost see people mouthing the words with you. 00:17:25.580 --> 00:17:30.780 You know, the easiest and safest way to give is online. And then in addition to that, I would 00:17:30.780 --> 00:17:37.500 simply say, for me, I, it's super simple. Once you do this, that you can set up recurring giving. 00:17:37.900 --> 00:17:43.440 And for me, I don't have a faithfulness problem. I have a forgetfulness problem and I forget all the 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:48.500 time. So we just automate the important things in our life. My wife and I, we automate our life 00:17:48.500 --> 00:17:54.060 insurance, our mortgage, uh, car insurance, and we automate our, our tithe and our giving because it's 00:17:54.060 --> 00:18:01.220 just that important to us. Uh, I think doing that, Jeff, um, is significant in the fact that if there 00:18:01.220 --> 00:18:08.600 is a disaster, the last thing on people's mind is going to be giving, um, you know, the, even if we 00:18:08.600 --> 00:18:14.800 have a digital way to give it, the last thing is going to be, Oh yeah. But if we automate it, um, 00:18:15.040 --> 00:18:21.220 it makes it a whole lot, a whole lot simpler to say the least. And anyway, just a couple of thoughts 00:18:21.220 --> 00:18:21.480 there. 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:26.640 Well, yeah. And, and as you're solving that automation process, as you're getting people 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:32.180 that are tithing regularly through the system, I mean, that just doesn't solve your hurricane 00:18:32.180 --> 00:18:38.760 issue. That solves your summer dip in attendance, summer dip in giving as well. And, and like, 00:18:38.760 --> 00:18:43.180 there's, there's a number of things that, that, that, that helps with, you know, it was funny. 00:18:43.180 --> 00:18:48.320 Like I, uh, I was, I was at a church, you mentioned the Venmo thing. Um, I was at, I was 00:18:48.320 --> 00:18:53.100 at a church and they put up a slide during the offering time and they literally, they had like 00:18:53.100 --> 00:18:57.560 the cash app, you know, whatever the handle, the log and whatever it was, because that was 00:18:57.560 --> 00:19:02.600 what they did for, for giving. And this is, this is a while back, but I said to the person, 00:19:02.600 --> 00:19:05.340 I was like, I was like, and there was like, what'd you think of our giving? I was like, 00:19:05.340 --> 00:19:09.360 that was great, but you, you didn't, you're not able to capitalize on the recurring giving. 00:19:09.360 --> 00:19:13.660 Cause I don't think at the time, like cash app had to like, you know, suck it out of your 00:19:13.660 --> 00:19:18.260 account, withdraw it from your account every, every couple of weeks or so. And the person's 00:19:18.260 --> 00:19:22.060 like, you can do that. And I was like, well, not through cash app, but there are platforms, 00:19:22.180 --> 00:19:26.700 you know, that can certainly help. Now, one of the questions that I get, and I'm just curious 00:19:26.700 --> 00:19:31.340 cause cause I'm sure, I know, I'm sure we've all dealt with this type of password, this type 00:19:31.340 --> 00:19:36.720 of person. And I appreciate the heart in this, but, but the guy who says, yeah, we don't do, 00:19:37.260 --> 00:19:42.880 um, we don't do online giving because online giving means that people can put it on their 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:48.080 credit cards and we don't believe in the church incurring debt. So we're not, we're not even 00:19:48.080 --> 00:19:53.020 going to go there. I'm just curious. Anybody have like a response? How do you guys handle 00:19:53.020 --> 00:19:57.740 situations like that? Or how would you handle situations like that? If, if a pastor said that, 00:20:00.080 --> 00:20:07.640 you know, I think I just the, the saucy side of me would just simply say, you probably haven't done 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:14.580 a great job teaching your people how to handle the money that God's entrusted them with. Um, 00:20:14.580 --> 00:20:19.880 and maybe you need to go back and, and do a series and do a deep dive with Dave Ramsey or whatever. 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:27.740 Um, it just seems to me like that whole piece of it, um, is I can't, I can't remember the last time 00:20:27.740 --> 00:20:34.900 somebody actually said to me outside of a pastor, can I, is it bad if I give with my credit card? 00:20:35.040 --> 00:20:39.840 Most of the time it's miles and it's paid off and, and, and those kinds of things are doing it to get, 00:20:39.840 --> 00:20:46.540 to get miles. I don't know. I just, I'm, I'm a little bit, you know, obviously for me, 00:20:46.540 --> 00:20:51.060 we, we just go straight out of our checking account. It makes it simple and easy for us, 00:20:51.060 --> 00:20:57.140 but, um, I just think, uh, the best thing you can do is probably, um, get on the front end of it 00:20:57.140 --> 00:21:01.360 and teach people how to handle and be responsible with what God's entrusted them with more than 00:21:01.360 --> 00:21:07.000 anything else. I mean, you can't control other people's money and nor should you try. Um, I think 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:10.760 once you start doing that, it's manipulation and you've got to be careful with that kind of stuff 00:21:10.760 --> 00:21:19.980 too. Any other thoughts? Yeah. Honest to God, I heard this two weeks ago and I, I, it's literally 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:25.900 like, it took me a minute. I was kind of was like, okay, well, like you have a website where people 00:21:25.900 --> 00:21:32.080 can use the internet browser to go to porn. So you trust them to go to your website, but you, you, 00:21:32.280 --> 00:21:37.320 and that, that was what I came to. And I said porn in the worship center and that was awkward. And 00:21:37.320 --> 00:21:43.260 maybe like I said earlier, like my filter sometimes doesn't work. Yeah. I thank you. I appreciate that 00:21:43.260 --> 00:21:50.360 comment from the side. Radiarmus appreciate. Well done. Hey, so, but I mean, and let's remember part 00:21:50.360 --> 00:21:55.140 of this is that we have the opportunity to help the church, your church, the churches that, that are 00:21:55.140 --> 00:22:01.080 possibly preparing for, uh, a situation ahead. You've got a prop, uh, also a situation to help 00:22:01.080 --> 00:22:07.340 the church long run. So moving to online giving will definitely help the, especially as recurring 00:22:07.340 --> 00:22:12.820 donations coming or making it easier for people to tithe. Like these are great steps to move in that 00:22:12.820 --> 00:22:17.380 right direction. All right, let's shift gears. Um, and let's head off, head off of giving. Let's head 00:22:17.380 --> 00:22:22.580 over to broadcast. So we're, we're looking at, at what do we can service when you're in this type of 00:22:22.580 --> 00:22:29.120 situation. You're unable to meet because of the current coronavirus or your worship center got 00:22:29.120 --> 00:22:34.940 blown away in a, in a, in a tornado or a hurricane. For whatever reason, uh, your broadcast center, 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:39.880 your worship center, your church is, is not doing services on Sunday. What, what are some solutions? 00:22:40.560 --> 00:22:46.320 Uh, how, how do you handle that? What, what could a church do? And we see this already in churches and, 00:22:46.320 --> 00:22:50.980 and this actually has happened in Colorado when church, whenever there's a large snowstorm or 00:22:50.980 --> 00:22:57.780 something and people can't get out, um, there are times when pastors actually share the message, uh, 00:22:57.780 --> 00:23:04.400 from the, from the living room really. And, uh, either via Facebook live or on YouTube, um, 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:09.720 kind of streaming it out. I think one of the things that we need to, to think through, and there are a 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:14.620 couple, a couple of things I would recommend that, that we consider. One is how, how do we broadcast 00:23:14.620 --> 00:23:21.920 those? And, and oftentimes, um, it'll be something that's simple and we need to think that to, to have a 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:28.040 simple way to go about doing this. And so if it is a Facebook live or something like that, um, or YouTube 00:23:28.040 --> 00:23:32.780 and, and kind of streaming it, you really want to have some sort of connection though, to your website 00:23:32.780 --> 00:23:38.700 here at outreach. Our team is, um, right now we've, we've been doing some kind of, uh, brainstorming and 00:23:38.700 --> 00:23:42.960 kind of a task force coming together to, to try to pull some resources together. We're trying to 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:48.780 steward our, our influence here to help churches. And we're providing some free streaming options, 00:23:48.780 --> 00:23:54.640 um, that our team is building out right now so that it, and specifically so that if a church is 00:23:54.640 --> 00:24:01.240 streaming, um, like on Facebook, that it will also be appearing on their website, uh, because not 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:07.040 everyone will know or understand to go to Facebook, um, to see your message. And so that's, that's one 00:24:07.040 --> 00:24:15.200 thing. Whenever it's, it's not a, um, it's, um, when it's not imperative for you to be solely 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:21.560 streaming, Facebook is, is a good place for it to also be right. Um, it's a, it's a good extra place 00:24:21.560 --> 00:24:28.300 for it to be, but if we're in a situation where, um, the only way that someone is going to experience, 00:24:28.300 --> 00:24:34.100 uh, worship, um, and, you know, hear a sermon and, and, and be able to kind of be praying kind of 00:24:34.100 --> 00:24:39.820 corporately, uh, virtually it, when, when it's the only way that they can connect, then you want to 00:24:39.820 --> 00:24:44.180 make sure that it's not just on Facebook or not just, uh, you know, on YouTube, but that it is also 00:24:44.180 --> 00:24:49.280 on your church's website because some people, again, that's the only, only place they'll know to go. 00:24:49.360 --> 00:24:54.320 That's where they'll likely turn is to your church's website. So, um, we're putting something 00:24:54.320 --> 00:24:58.280 together. I'll be, it'll be ready in probably about another week or so at stream.outreach.com. 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:04.600 Which for free, we'll just, um, it will just kind of connect in with your, your church's website, 00:25:04.600 --> 00:25:10.300 um, and, uh, through, through a subdomain and whatever you're, you're doing on Facebook live 00:25:10.300 --> 00:25:14.180 or on YouTube, it's going to show up there. So you'll have a place, if you don't have a place 00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:18.220 on your website now where people can see that it'll be available for you. And that's just something 00:25:18.220 --> 00:25:23.580 that we're, we're trying to do to help churches that are wrestling through this. Um, but I, I think 00:25:23.580 --> 00:25:27.620 a couple of things you want to think through as well, it's not only your, your sermons, 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:31.160 you want to, you want to kind of keep that worship experience going and connecting with people, 00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:39.460 but I would recommend you also have a, a set time that you are communicating with your people 00:25:39.460 --> 00:25:47.700 outside of the worship gathering. Um, so a set time where people know that, uh, you, you're going to be 00:25:47.780 --> 00:25:52.960 live, you're going to be sharing updates and, you know, maybe more kind of family matters for the 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:57.920 church itself. Right. So really kind of connecting with people and having that, that separate kind 00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:02.660 of communication channel. Uh, this is helpful for pastoral care as well. That's one of the things 00:26:02.660 --> 00:26:07.140 that we really want to think through is not just our, our worship gatherings, but, but how are we 00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:12.840 going to handle pastoral care? Um, you know, if we're not able to, to be corporately. So, uh, 00:26:12.840 --> 00:26:16.260 just really being thoughtful through that. One of the things that we even recommend is thinking 00:26:16.260 --> 00:26:22.620 through, you might even want to pre-record, um, a few messages while you have your facilities and, 00:26:22.760 --> 00:26:28.540 you know, pre-record, um, a four week sermon series or something. Uh, and you can even have 00:26:28.540 --> 00:26:32.320 your worship team come in. You can do it on a Thursday night or whatever, do it in your church 00:26:32.320 --> 00:26:37.340 facilities now have, you know, a sermon series put together because if churches are closed, 00:26:37.340 --> 00:26:41.620 they might, they might be closed for a short, short amount of time. It may be only, uh, you know, 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.720 three or four weeks. So if you already have these pre-recorded and you're kind of preparing 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:50.100 that way, you've, you've prayed about this and you're being very intentional, trying to honor 00:26:50.100 --> 00:26:55.660 God in the midst of that, to have those ready to go, um, might be just enough you need to bridge 00:26:55.660 --> 00:27:00.680 before you're able to gather physically again. So, um, that, that's one thing that we're really 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.200 encouraging churches to think through as well as what does that look like to put together a short 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:10.300 sermon series, actually have your live worship team together, um, film them all, pre-record them, 00:27:10.380 --> 00:27:16.120 get them ready so that you can just upload them and go. And then more personalized connection with 00:27:16.120 --> 00:27:22.320 people. Right. There, there's a lot there, man, that, that was rich. Uh, everything from you're, 00:27:22.320 --> 00:27:26.460 you're, so you're, you're throwing together real quick, a software that's going to create a subdomain 00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:31.620 to, to move. Yes. People aren't smart enough to go to Facebook and I mean, no disrespect to the people, 00:27:31.620 --> 00:27:38.580 but having it on the website to link to not to mention Facebook is, is a huge, um, you know, 00:27:38.580 --> 00:27:43.820 distraction. Oh, squirrel, you know, trying to do everything they can to get you off that content 00:27:43.820 --> 00:27:48.560 because they want you to process other content so that all the stats go up, not, not just yours. 00:27:48.560 --> 00:27:54.400 And so the ability to do that on your website, even YouTube on your website in a control environment, 00:27:54.400 --> 00:28:01.200 uh, as, as Facebook and YouTube are trying to distract you and pull you away, your domain is 00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:08.060 going to allow you to control and for those people to engage at a much longer, a longer level. Um, 00:28:08.100 --> 00:28:14.260 and, and I love this idea and, but what I really want to park on is, is maybe like this, the controlled 00:28:14.260 --> 00:28:19.100 updates, what you're communicating. I can tell you it's just in the churches that I've worked in 00:28:19.100 --> 00:28:24.360 different situations, uh, dealing with the tornadoes, uh, when I lived in Texas and, and, uh, and the 00:28:24.360 --> 00:28:30.520 hurricanes in Miami. Uh, sometimes I feel like I'm talking sports a little bit, but, um, how, what do 00:28:30.520 --> 00:28:35.980 you communicate? Like what types of things would we regularly communicate out to people? What, what, 00:28:35.980 --> 00:28:41.580 like, what are some thoughts there? What, what are people looking for messaging wise from their church 00:28:41.580 --> 00:28:43.560 in, in, in seasons like this? 00:28:43.560 --> 00:28:50.200 Well, you know, you know, there's just doing church in Miami, um, especially in hurricane season, 00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:54.580 it was whether or not we were going to be open on a particular weekend, uh, whether or not we were 00:28:54.580 --> 00:29:00.740 going to gather. And that right there is, is big for everybody. Uh, just to know whether or not the 00:29:00.740 --> 00:29:06.140 doors are going to be open on a Sunday morning, uh, is a big deal. And how you communicate that, 00:29:06.260 --> 00:29:11.740 um, I strongly suggest for a lot of churches, if you don't have a texting strategy, texting for us, 00:29:11.740 --> 00:29:17.420 especially in recent times for, for live updates, uh, to the minute has been such a big deal. 00:29:17.420 --> 00:29:21.500 And it's not something that we use for, and we're very careful about this. I'm the guardian of the 00:29:21.500 --> 00:29:25.700 gate on our texting strategy because you don't want to inundate people like you do with emails. I'm 00:29:25.700 --> 00:29:29.940 sure all of you that are listening out there, your church is probably inundating a lot of folks with 00:29:29.940 --> 00:29:34.340 a lot of emails and therefore your email open rate is not that great, but the text open rate is 00:29:34.340 --> 00:29:39.940 actually really good. People will check text messages, especially in emergency situations on this 00:29:39.940 --> 00:29:44.740 stuff. So whether or not you're going to be open or, um, even if you're ready to help people 00:29:44.740 --> 00:29:50.120 is another great way to communicate via text. A couple of other things that I would, um, kind of 00:29:50.120 --> 00:29:57.100 think about in these times of communication are obviously, uh, health updates. If, if, if there are 00:29:57.100 --> 00:30:02.700 things going on in your community, in your state, or within your people themselves, you know, your, 00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:07.020 your, your, your congregants, then kind of health, health updates with them, but also be thinking 00:30:07.020 --> 00:30:15.120 about, um, your missions, um, connections around the world, what's going on in, in different areas 00:30:15.120 --> 00:30:20.680 of, of the world at the time and sharing updates in regard to, you know, if you have missionaries 00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:26.600 out from your church or serving in different areas, um, and just really helping people to feel like 00:30:26.600 --> 00:30:34.440 they're informed, um, like, uh, what, what they're getting from the news, but from a, um, kind of a 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:41.220 church family perspective. Like we're, we're part of the, the, you know, the church and this is an 00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:46.280 opportunity. I think, I think something like this is a huge opportunity for the church. We see this 00:30:46.280 --> 00:30:52.040 whenever there are natural disasters, right? When the church steps up and the church is being a part of 00:30:52.040 --> 00:30:56.940 helping to bring healing and wholeness to the community, um, we can see this. And so if we are 00:30:56.940 --> 00:31:03.300 championing this idea of hope and opportunity, um, that, that, you know, God is at work in the midst 00:31:03.300 --> 00:31:10.900 of crises like this, um, I think those are the additional things, um, aside from the, you know, 00:31:10.940 --> 00:31:17.400 important things of, of just like, Hey, are we gathering, um, what's next, where places where you 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:22.160 can get support, where you can get help, um, whatever those types of things look like, 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:26.240 but what are the things that the life of the church is doing in the midst of a crisis? Cause 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:31.140 we're not, we're not stopping church. Just, just if, if we're not able to gather, um, physically, 00:31:31.140 --> 00:31:36.660 it doesn't mean that church is stopping, right? So what are we doing as the church and how are we 00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:41.680 connected to the greater church across the country around the world? And what are some of those 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:47.420 stories that we can be sharing with our people? Yeah. Just to add on that, I think if, if a crisis 00:31:47.420 --> 00:31:54.620 is happening at a church, the chances are the whole city that the church is in is suffering. So, um, 00:31:54.620 --> 00:32:01.800 ways to communicate and just empowering the whole church member to, to help the community would be a 00:32:01.800 --> 00:32:09.180 big thing in practical ways on how, how the church, uh, can help the community and maybe do a research on 00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:16.060 what the city is suffering with. And what are some areas that, that if there's any, maybe just like 00:32:16.060 --> 00:32:24.480 what waters or other research resources that are needed, uh, it can be a place where, uh, churches can 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:29.080 help the community and let the communities know, uh, that the church is helping. 00:32:29.600 --> 00:32:35.800 I, I think there's a huge opportunity, um, for, for the, and I'm, I'm even resorting back to 00:32:35.800 --> 00:32:43.520 1992 Hurricane Andrew. Ray, were you in Miami in 92? Ray, were you alive in 92? I, I'm not even sure 00:32:43.520 --> 00:32:49.260 you may be that young. I'm trying, I'm trying to unmute you here. All right. Yeah. I was totally 00:32:49.260 --> 00:32:56.460 alive in 92. Uh, I like Jeff was sitting, uh, in my house that was imploding around me and, uh, 00:32:56.460 --> 00:32:59.960 running at, we actually had to leave in the middle of the storm. We had to leave our house and we were 00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:05.820 out of it after the storm for a year and a half, you know, living with, with my aunt and uncle, 00:33:05.820 --> 00:33:11.960 we actually lived, uh, at a, at a hotel for a week post storm and all of that. And I'll tell you, 00:33:12.040 --> 00:33:16.900 I mean, and, and so many folks are dealing with this now over in East Nashville. And I think of all 00:33:16.900 --> 00:33:22.860 the different disasters that have struck both churches and people alike, um, finding ways to 00:33:22.860 --> 00:33:29.040 mobilize your people after the fact. Oh man, the church in action, when we've seen it, 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:35.300 it is so powerful. Um, in our circles and Jeff knows this, uh, uh, we're so grateful for Southern 00:33:35.300 --> 00:33:41.580 Baptist relief because typically they've been boots to ground. Like the day, the, the day after a storm 00:33:41.580 --> 00:33:47.160 hits, they've been there with food trucks. They've been there with everything ready to go to serve the 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:53.180 community and just collaborating with churches, uh, on, on how to get a community back on its feet. 00:33:53.260 --> 00:33:57.480 And we've been the beneficiaries of that. I mean, at least in my lifetime, I could think of five 00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:03.320 instances where Southern Baptist relief actually came through and served churches, churches and people 00:34:03.320 --> 00:34:08.540 in our community, both to give the gospel, but also in practical ways, uh, to get boots to the ground 00:34:08.540 --> 00:34:13.360 immediately for volunteers. And it was awesome. There, there's a huge opportunity for the church to be 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:19.440 on mission, uh, in the midst of, and after tragedies like those, like I can remember I was the high 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:26.260 school freshman, literally a high school freshman. And, um, I skipped out of football practice to, 00:34:26.540 --> 00:34:31.060 for the first couple of weeks. Uh, my football coach wasn't happy when I finally came back, but 00:34:31.060 --> 00:34:38.000 I, I, I literally was running like the, uh, red cross, the Baptist, you know, uh, health, all, 00:34:38.100 --> 00:34:43.340 all like the food distribution and clothes. Uh, I was, was part of that because for me, 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:49.120 as a high school freshman, and yes, I got out of two days, that was maybe part of it, but it was 00:34:49.120 --> 00:34:55.220 also this idea of, let me be, let me be on mission. Let me help people who are in greater need. Um, 00:34:55.320 --> 00:35:01.060 and, and the, the opportunity for the church to, to have a presence in, in some of those situations 00:35:01.060 --> 00:35:05.960 and in the midst of it. But what's interesting is if you don't have that culture beforehand, 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:10.860 it's a lot harder to fall back on that culture when, when you need it. You know, there are churches 00:35:10.860 --> 00:35:15.960 that, that I personally have attended at work that, that have that huge serving culture, um, 00:35:16.040 --> 00:35:20.640 selfless serving, serving the community culture. And then there are others that, that probably 00:35:20.640 --> 00:35:24.620 struggle with that. And so like, there's, there's huge opportunities for the church to tap into that. 00:35:24.720 --> 00:35:29.180 You know, it's kind of ironic where, and Ray, you may appreciate this on the podcast. We always talk 00:35:29.180 --> 00:35:33.940 about how church is more than the nickels and noses. And the things that we've talked about at this 00:35:33.940 --> 00:35:40.380 point is literally like, uh, giving and, and broadcast. I didn't, totally didn't mean to do that, 00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:44.940 but we accidentally like, you know, stumbled into that. Uh, but these are two big components, 00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:50.660 but there, there's more to church than just like those two components, right? At least I hope there 00:35:50.660 --> 00:35:57.720 is. Um, what, what is, what is like groups look like? What is gathering together in environments 00:35:57.720 --> 00:36:02.720 where you can't gather together? What, what could that look like? Yeah. Uh, for us at Saddleback, 00:36:02.720 --> 00:36:10.200 we have a lot of online groups that meet through zoom, just like we're doing for us, uh, how online 00:36:10.200 --> 00:36:17.380 group looks like is they would, you know, share a screen of, of, of a teaching that's about 15 to 20 00:36:17.380 --> 00:36:24.280 minutes long. And we would have study guides with some questions that people can discuss. So it's 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:32.940 something that we are doing already. Um, and it's something that I believe will come in very much 00:36:32.940 --> 00:36:41.200 benefit when it, you know, in times of crisis and other churches can do it, it with, um, on just a 00:36:41.200 --> 00:36:49.100 weekend messages, uh, as pastors and preachers, we, we are creators, right? We create content all the 00:36:49.100 --> 00:36:56.740 time and we can put to a great use by just putting some questions in and having people come, coming 00:36:56.740 --> 00:37:04.840 together in a zoom call, or even just in chat, chat functions and messengers and people can discuss 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:09.920 after watching the preaching. So that, that might work for a lot of churches. 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:17.620 So the one thing that I've learned in, in recent days is there are a ton of free platforms or 00:37:17.620 --> 00:37:24.080 virtually, virtually free platforms that allow for, you know, this zoom functionality seems like most 00:37:24.080 --> 00:37:28.720 churches and even a lot of the businesses are falling back on zoom. Like that's becoming more and more 00:37:28.720 --> 00:37:36.180 of the preferred, uh, but Skype's free, uh, FaceTime, um, obviously FaceTime requires everybody have an 00:37:36.180 --> 00:37:40.380 iPhone or an iOS device that that's free. And they've now got groups. 00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:47.080 It's up to like eight or 10, I think that, that, that can be on and doing that Google Hangouts. Um, I know 00:37:47.080 --> 00:37:51.680 is another one that had, for me, it's been a technological nightmare in the past, but more and 00:37:51.680 --> 00:37:56.920 more people are telling me that it's, it's become more stable. I think Google Hangouts has a limit of 00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:06.040 like six or seven people that may have even have, have grown past that talkie.io. Uh, actually I think it was 00:38:06.040 --> 00:38:10.900 somebody at life church that, that connected me with that. That's a, a zoom competitor. That's a hundred 00:38:10.900 --> 00:38:18.380 percent free. Even things like, um, discord, I know has, has a free video chat that's built in Slack. 00:38:18.680 --> 00:38:24.340 Uh, I don't use that one a lot, but at least the video chat, but it's, it's there Facebook. I got a 00:38:24.340 --> 00:38:29.980 Facebook audio call from a guy today. I was like, Oh, okay. I'll talk to you now. Um, I can't tell you 00:38:29.980 --> 00:38:34.880 the conversation well, well, but it, it, he at least tried to call me what other platforms 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:40.800 that are out there, um, that would be an option for somebody, you know, free or, or nearly free, 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.480 uh, that's that a church could dive into to experiment with. Yeah. If you're looking for 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:51.940 synchronous activity, so, so together talking same time, um, you mentioned Facebook messenger. I know 00:38:51.940 --> 00:38:56.420 with Facebook messenger, you can have up to 50 people on a call. So that's, that's a pretty 00:38:56.420 --> 00:39:03.040 significant size. So if you're, you know, um, now you can visibly see you can video, I think it's up 00:39:03.040 --> 00:39:09.100 to eight, but audio, you can have up to 50 people. So a lot of people have Facebook, have Facebook 00:39:09.100 --> 00:39:13.600 messenger. So that might be, uh, you know, kind of a, a simpler one to, to jump on. 00:39:13.900 --> 00:39:18.180 Have you had, and I'm, I'm literally asking this and I don't mean anything rude. Have you had good 00:39:18.180 --> 00:39:25.480 luck with Facebook on audio and video? I personally have had bad luck, but it's, uh, I have more 00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:32.820 recently. I have more recently. Um, it seemed to seem to be relatively stable. So, um, 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:38.800 I know they, they just came out with, uh, uh, at least with time of this recording, wherever we are 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:44.520 March, uh, they came out with the new Facebook messenger app. I don't know if there was like, 00:39:44.580 --> 00:39:49.480 it was just superficial design or if there's anything under the hood, but hopefully they've 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:54.020 changed some of this stuff. Ray's messaging me. He's having problems with his zoom on his phone. 00:39:54.540 --> 00:39:59.220 Uh, so maybe there's four bugs in this that were really anticipated, but you know, he's, 00:39:59.300 --> 00:40:04.240 he's saying WhatsApp and I can tell you like we we've used WhatsApp, um, which really also 00:40:04.240 --> 00:40:09.820 brings in, you know, WhatsApp for, uh, for audio, uh, with that. But that also brings in this 00:40:09.820 --> 00:40:17.300 idea of text-based groups and how like, you know, and Ray and I, we've, we've had conversations 00:40:17.300 --> 00:40:24.840 about this in other podcasts, uh, talking about how being in a text community or a community of 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:29.260 friends, people that we know, keeping in touch with each other via the text groups, everything 00:40:29.260 --> 00:40:34.720 from like the, the sarcastic jokes and the constant trolling of one another, even to the 00:40:34.720 --> 00:40:40.280 place of like, how can I pray for you? What's going on in your life? What, when you read the 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:45.460 scripture, what are the things that come out becoming more, uh, pastoral as well as, you 00:40:45.460 --> 00:40:50.440 know, just more relaxed? Like, have you guys experienced, I'm just curious even within the 00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:56.120 group, that like text engaging relationship where maybe it's six or eight people in a WhatsApp 00:40:56.120 --> 00:41:01.960 group or a, um, you know, a group me app or something like that. Anybody want to share 00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:06.800 a story from that? Yeah. I mean, I do a, a, quite a bit of work with, uh, groups of people 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:14.900 and inevitably it takes one quick conversation. Like here's the rules for our text. And that 00:41:14.900 --> 00:41:20.320 keeps you on the right track. Um, so somebody doesn't get in, uh, too many memes. I'm like 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:26.400 the king of memes. So I'm usually the one calling myself out. Um, some of those things 00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:31.100 are, are, um, you know, it just, you just can establish here's, here's how we're going to 00:41:31.100 --> 00:41:35.680 communicate and here's, here's the pathway that it goes. I, I would even encourage you, I'm 00:41:35.680 --> 00:41:43.080 following up on what Ray said earlier about a texting strategy. Um, I think I would also begin 00:41:43.080 --> 00:41:50.840 trying to figure a ways to, I'm always a proponent of taking what happens in the real world and 00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:58.020 making digital a piece of that from, so if you're attending church this Sunday, how is your congregation 00:41:58.020 --> 00:42:05.080 going to act in a digital way and when they're in person? So it could be, Hey, um, if you want the 00:42:05.080 --> 00:42:10.580 latest updates, the best way to do that is simply sign up for our texting service and you can do it 00:42:10.580 --> 00:42:15.600 right here. Just text this number and it's, and it's done. So you begin that kind of communication 00:42:15.600 --> 00:42:22.060 pathway that here's how we're going to communicate. Um, and, and when you need to know the latest of 00:42:22.060 --> 00:42:26.520 what's happening here at church, this is the fastest way for us to get it out. Um, I would be trying to 00:42:26.520 --> 00:42:32.420 figure in a couple of digital elements along the way too. So anyway, I love the idea of, of like the 00:42:32.420 --> 00:42:37.040 digital approach where you're, what you're doing in digital, uh, you're doing in the physical world 00:42:37.040 --> 00:42:43.420 also matches the digital and utilizing that as a community piece. And even in a chase, we'll get to 00:42:43.420 --> 00:42:49.640 you in a second, but even the idea of doing, um, your, your announcements in a way during a season 00:42:49.640 --> 00:42:55.200 and when it's healing, where people need to know, do them in an area where they can respond and ask 00:42:55.200 --> 00:43:01.340 questions or, or ask poignant questions like, how can we pray for you in the midst of this and give 00:43:01.340 --> 00:43:08.460 people an opportunity to, to voice? I mean, we, we talk about how engaging the word engagement is lost. 00:43:08.460 --> 00:43:14.860 A lot of it's meaning for me, engagement means not talking, but listening. It's better to ask a 00:43:14.860 --> 00:43:21.520 question than make a statement. And for a church and an organization to ask the question and allow 00:43:21.520 --> 00:43:28.380 the church body to respond, man, that like at an upper and allow the church body to minister to itself 00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:34.260 through that group, man, that would be powerful in a situation like this, where there, where there 00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:39.400 would be a lot of pain and hurting. I I'm sorry, Jason, I took you a little off topic. You were going 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:43.660 to say? Oh, no, no, um, no, that's all, that's all, that's all solid stuff. I was going to say two 00:43:43.660 --> 00:43:51.180 platforms, um, that, that I would really try to consider or focus in on. One is, is a platform that 00:43:51.180 --> 00:43:58.000 probably more than likely for most churches will be new. Um, so you can only do this if you're going to 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:03.860 spend, you know, a few weeks right now upfront, getting people onboarded, but that's Slack. 00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:11.780 Um, we use Slack, um, here at outreach, uh, all the time and Slack, you know, for free, you can have 00:44:11.780 --> 00:44:16.920 unlimited, um, channels. It can be private channels, can be public channels. You can get channels for 00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:22.660 different groups, whether it's small groups, discipling groups, um, whatever it might be general, 00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:29.780 you know, general groups, you can invite people in. It's, it's very, very, um, helpful. There are apps 00:44:29.780 --> 00:44:34.780 for it. So you can get notifications as people are sharing and you can have back-to-back conversations 00:44:34.780 --> 00:44:42.120 pretty, pretty easily. And it's a real, real simple system to use. Um, and it has, you know, some 00:44:42.120 --> 00:44:46.400 different add-ons that you, that you can integrate. And it's just, there's a lot of flexibility to Slack. 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:54.580 So if you have time to, you know, to, to help onboard people to Slack, then, then that's something. Um, 00:44:54.580 --> 00:45:00.440 if you don't have time or just another really good option, uh, Facebook, Facebook groups, um, 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:06.960 almost everyone's on Facebook, um, whether you like it or not, I'm not a massive, uh, Facebook user 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:12.300 myself, except that I have to use Facebook because I run groups on Facebook. You know what I mean? So, 00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:19.020 uh, I have responsibility with people there. So, um, but Facebook groups, um, are, are one of those 00:45:19.020 --> 00:45:23.520 things that, uh, you can set up again, you can set public groups or private groups. You can invite 00:45:23.520 --> 00:45:28.220 people into the group so you can really structure them. Um, you can upload videos and different 00:45:28.220 --> 00:45:33.260 things. You can do live teaching in the group. So for your, um, small groups, your life groups, 00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:40.200 you know, discipling type things, uh, really, really functional actually. Um, so that's a, that's an idea. 00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:45.480 And like I said, a lot of people are on Facebook, so it's, it's not, um, whether you love Facebook 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.640 or hate it, that happens to be where a lot of people are hanging out. So, or at least have an 00:45:49.640 --> 00:45:53.960 account, right? So if you have to go to something, at least a lot of people, if they don't spend a lot 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:59.320 of time there, a lot of people have an account. So they can, if you say, Hey, log on to Facebook, 00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:04.040 there's going to be an invite and your notifications for, you know, your small group or whatever. 00:46:04.040 --> 00:46:11.880 So Slack is Slack is free up into, you know, X number of posts. And it just, it cycles through, 00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:17.800 like, it doesn't archive your entire life on it. And it's like, I've got, um, through my business, 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:23.000 I just, I use a free account and I've got a number of select people that, that I'm on it. And it's, 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:28.040 and it's awesome. And I think it's, I think it's more powerful than the discords. Discords are, 00:46:28.040 --> 00:46:33.080 it's like Slack for video gamers. Uh, I like it better than WhatsApp because WhatsApp just seems 00:46:33.080 --> 00:46:39.640 to be a lot of like noise, not as structured. Um, but I'm also like, I don't want noise. I want 00:46:39.640 --> 00:46:45.240 structure. I'm like, like Andrew, except I don't do the memes. I yell at the people who do the memes. 00:46:45.240 --> 00:46:49.320 So like, I'll just have to, Andrew, I'm not giving you my cell phone number because I don't want the 00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:55.960 memes. Um, that thing that, that I've always, it was funny, like in my head, like Facebook workplace, 00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:00.840 where, where it's like the, the, the separate version of it. I always thought that would be a 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:06.120 great idea. Like more churches should take advantage of that, where they're the only ones that are in 00:47:06.120 --> 00:47:11.240 there. They're not worried about the algorithm. They can really control it. Uh, and, and, and Stadia, 00:47:11.240 --> 00:47:17.720 I love Stadia. Stadia uses it, but I got to tell you, it's become another inbox. It wasn't like, 00:47:17.720 --> 00:47:23.720 oh, I'm already in this Facebook workplace app all the time. So I'm naturally just getting this 00:47:23.720 --> 00:47:29.080 information. It's become, oh yeah, that's the app that's got like X number of notifications. I'm 00:47:29.080 --> 00:47:33.240 just going to ignore that from now. I'll look at it later. And I only get to it once every, 00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:39.080 you know, once or twice a week, which is enough for how Stadia is using it. But if I was a church, 00:47:39.080 --> 00:47:43.240 I would want somebody to engage in it more than that. So that's one of those things. There's like, 00:47:43.240 --> 00:47:46.680 man, we should really do that. But when I actually tried, I was like, yeah, not really. 00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:53.480 Um, but this, this is good. So like, I'm just curious, like what other, are there any other 00:47:53.480 --> 00:48:00.120 areas of church when we're looking at, okay, so we have to prepare for a Corona virus, or we have to, 00:48:00.120 --> 00:48:06.440 you know, prepare for a future natural disaster or emergency. What are some other tools or thoughts, 00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:10.680 some holes that we need to fill in, uh, for a church to, to function? 00:48:10.680 --> 00:48:16.440 Can I, can I just give two overarching like thoughts that I want to make sure that, um, 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:21.400 that we communicate? Uh, the first thing is, is like, uh, Kevin and I are out here in California. 00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:27.720 I'm in San Diego. He's in LA. Um, I'm back, uh, and forth to Palo Alto. So the Bay area quite a bit. 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:34.040 If you'd asked them two or three weeks ago, are they worried about this current crisis? Not a bit. 00:48:34.040 --> 00:48:42.360 They're not at all. When your community has one or two infections that happen or positive tests, 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:48.600 all of a sudden people start going, Oh, this, we're going to stop gathering. So if you're out there 00:48:48.600 --> 00:48:54.840 today, you're listening to us going, Hey, this is great. Um, these guys are, you know, doomsday 00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:00.840 profits and, and that kind of stuff, just know that it would take one case, one positive case in your 00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:06.280 community before your church population starts going, Oh, are we going to go to church on Sunday? 00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:09.720 Cause a lot of people are going to be there. Okay. So that's, that's the first thing to just 00:49:09.720 --> 00:49:14.520 kind of keep that in mind, not to panic over it, but to just plan for it, that if it does happen, 00:49:14.520 --> 00:49:19.880 you want to be prepared. And then the second thing, and Jeff and I offline had talked briefly about 00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:27.800 this the other day, um, as any responsible pastor, and if you're in charge of content or development 00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:34.040 of content, I would be preparing for Easter as well. Like what happens the biggest day of the year, 00:49:34.040 --> 00:49:41.320 our super bowl, if two weeks before a week before, um, you get a case in your area and we know there's 00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:46.760 going to be more cases. Um, don't know how many, but I would just prepare to develop all your content 00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:51.400 for Easter. You've got plenty of time to do it. If you start now going, what's our plan when that 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:57.240 happens? So those kinds of two overarching things are things that I just, I want to make sure just 00:49:57.240 --> 00:50:02.600 philosophically people are thinking about not necessarily tools, but we really should be 00:50:02.600 --> 00:50:07.560 thinking that way. Yeah. Collectively. You just made every creative director for a church in America's 00:50:07.560 --> 00:50:12.920 head explode. Like it's just all over the place. And you know, if they give me their cell phone 00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:20.680 number, I'll send them a meme as well. And we'll just double it up. Okay. But I mean, there's, there's, 00:50:20.680 --> 00:50:26.920 there's some validity, at least in the awareness of, um, we're, we're, we're not that far away. Um, 00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:34.360 there, there could always be an issue, especially, you know, you guys living literally on the edge of, 00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:39.320 uh, of a, you know, the tech tectorial plates. I think it's called, I'm going back to like my 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:44.120 elementary geology. Is that the tectorial? That's not the right word. It's something out plates. 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:50.120 What is it called? Dinosaur. What you just said. There's something, is it? What's the term? 00:50:50.680 --> 00:50:56.840 Tectonic. Tectonic. There you go. Thank you. Jason saving the day, man. That's awesome. 00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:02.520 Seeing those tectonic right there on the edge of that. Um, it's just, it's, it's awareness to this, 00:51:02.520 --> 00:51:07.320 right. And then, and then it's, it's flexibility to know, okay. And in those situations, 00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:13.080 we got to figure it out. You know, I actually last year, uh, a friend of mine, and this is like the 00:51:13.080 --> 00:51:18.920 creative purpose, but they did their church did a good Friday service and it was entirely shot 00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:25.720 off a single camera in somebody's living room. Like it was an, an acoustic unplugged set and they had 00:51:25.720 --> 00:51:32.040 thousands of views and it was centered around my man's living room with a single camera and eight 00:51:32.040 --> 00:51:39.000 people doing a musical slash worship stuff and not overly produced nothing. Um, you know, crazy, 00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:44.920 just a single camera stream, but it was immensely powerful. And so it's, you know, and given, 00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:50.520 especially where we are, at least let's take the time to ask the question, you know, what could we do? 00:51:50.520 --> 00:51:56.680 What's the plan? Um, what would it be? Should we have to explore it? Don't, don't write it in stone. 00:51:56.680 --> 00:52:02.120 Don't even write it in ink, but at least have in pencil. Okay. Hey, this is the path that we're 00:52:02.120 --> 00:52:07.400 going to go on. This is the gear, um, that we have. This is how we can use it. We need to acquire this. 00:52:08.040 --> 00:52:15.720 Um, and honestly, and this isn't being like, like, um, crazy, but I think have some of that gear in 00:52:15.720 --> 00:52:22.440 place. Like know that, oh, I've got to buy a Mevo camera. And so it's a $300 purchase. Let's go and 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:29.480 buy it because you're going to need it at some point. Um, there be prepared for these situations 00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:36.360 so that when you have to respond, you can respond quickly with the best foot forward for the kingdom, 00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:41.160 as opposed to scrambling and re and regretting things along the way. 00:52:41.160 --> 00:52:47.160 Specifically the coronavirus, which is, you know, this, you know, uh, a pandemic's a little different 00:52:47.160 --> 00:52:53.960 than the natural disaster in that natural disasters may be knocking out our internet access or our power 00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:58.920 access, you know, that could be a whole different thing. But with this, I think the way people will react, 00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:05.160 like Andrew said, it, uh, it doesn't have to be that our government says, okay, people can't gather 00:53:05.160 --> 00:53:12.920 publicly. I mean, if, if we look at our churches today, um, average attendees are showing up, you know, 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:18.120 two times a month, maybe, you know, three times a month, if you're, if you're really, really, 00:53:18.120 --> 00:53:24.680 you know, have a really engaged congregation. And so, um, it's not going to take necessarily the 00:53:24.680 --> 00:53:28.360 government to say, Hey, you know, you can't gather publicly. 00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:32.840 It's going to take just a little bit of, you know, extra concern that, you know, 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:39.240 a family does not want to, to have their kids out in a public space. Um, because, you know, 00:53:39.240 --> 00:53:45.000 there's, uh, you know, been some, some virus has been, you know, reported in, in, in the area, 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:49.960 or even in the next city away, or, you know, next big city. And we're seeing this already in, 00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:55.960 in churches like in Washington, you're already seeing this happening. Um, so it really, it's, 00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:58.840 it's one of the things that we want to think about again, not to be alarmist or whatever, 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:04.360 but just be prepared. Um, what, what is this going to look like? If there are people who have some, 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:08.200 some bigger fears and who are going to say, you know what, we're just going to voluntarily, 00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:13.640 um, stay at home and watch worship online. Right. Um, because we just don't want to 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:20.120 take that extra risk of exposure for whatever reason. And people have different levels of, 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:25.560 fear and anxiety over these things. You know what I mean? Uh, so, so I think it's one of those things 00:54:25.560 --> 00:54:29.720 that again, you know, we're not saying that the sky is falling, but we're saying, 00:54:30.520 --> 00:54:35.480 let's just think through this because there are going to be people who are not going to, 00:54:36.200 --> 00:54:42.120 to show up simply because of concern of being in, in public places gathered with people. So 00:54:42.120 --> 00:54:43.080 you want to keep that in mind, right? 00:54:43.080 --> 00:54:48.040 We haven't even touched on, there's a whole other group of people that aren't interested 00:54:48.040 --> 00:54:53.080 in coming into your building to be spiritually fed. But if you moved some of your resource 00:54:53.080 --> 00:54:59.160 and your discipleship online, you'd reach a whole lot more people. Like all these conversations that were 00:55:00.120 --> 00:55:06.120 tastefully having centered around the framework of Corona virus or, you know, impending other 00:55:06.680 --> 00:55:12.280 natural disasters. The reality is, is that, and I believe this, maybe it's not the reality, 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:15.320 but I believe the churches are going to get smaller and churches are going to get bigger 00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:20.920 and more and more that the church is going to be engaging with content online and our ability to 00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:27.160 disciple, to help people grow deeper in their faith, to keep people on mission, utilizing online tools. 00:55:27.160 --> 00:55:33.320 They're going to be very effective, not for the church at post Corona, not even for the church 00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:37.880 post natural disasters. I think they're effective for the church today. You've got people in your, 00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:43.320 in your audience. And I used the word fidgetal earlier, like it, they are a mixture of physical 00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:49.000 and digital. They're a mixture of physical engagement and online engagement. And for the church to truly 00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:54.520 be effective, we need to start transitioning away from online only discipleship, or excuse me, 00:55:55.080 --> 00:56:00.360 physical only discipleship, physical only small groups and start to move into a world where 00:56:01.160 --> 00:56:06.680 people can engage more, ask more spiritual questions, grow deeper in their faith and be on 00:56:06.680 --> 00:56:12.920 mission through some of these digital tools. I believe the church will look far different if it opens up 00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:18.280 and if it changes and embraces culture, not just in the physical front, but if embraces it on the, 00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:23.160 on the digital too. But I'm, I got a little, like I'm a little jaded there, kind of like that's a, 00:56:23.160 --> 00:56:29.000 that's a pet peeve. So that's a thing. Uh, but Hey, this is, this has been a great podcast. I want to ask 00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:35.240 one more question. Um, so dealing, and this is actually a Ray Ray question. Ray had the thread, 00:56:35.240 --> 00:56:42.040 the step out. Um, he's, he's got a thing tonight at, at his, at the church, but ministering to fear, 00:56:42.040 --> 00:56:50.920 uh, driven culture. What do people need, need to hear spiritually after going through something like 00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:57.960 Corona after going through something like, um, a natural disaster? What, what are the elements 00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:02.520 pastorally has put on your pastor hat here for a second? Like what, what are they looking to hear? 00:57:02.520 --> 00:57:09.080 What do they need to hear? Uh, in, in situations like, I think it, I think for me, I look at it. 00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:16.360 Number one, they need to know and understand, hear the assurance that God is still God and he's still 00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:24.840 in control. Um, and then what they need to see from leaders is, is calmness and trust in God and not 00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:31.240 panic from a leader, but somebody that is, is steady in what they're, uh, and how they're leading and, 00:57:31.240 --> 00:57:36.360 and how they're, um, uh, connecting with people still that the, you know, what God's called us here. 00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:40.920 And until Christ comes back, uh, we're going to occupy and continue to move forward. 00:57:41.560 --> 00:57:47.320 And, you know, the, yes, we'll, we have times where things are up, down, questionable, 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:53.720 not understanding everything. Absolutely. Uh, but we should be, um, not only men and women of faith, 00:57:54.200 --> 00:57:59.960 um, which obviously is the opposite of fear, but also like that should show a little bit, not in a cocky way, 00:57:59.960 --> 00:58:05.480 but just in an assurance way to go, we know God has this and we want to let you see that we understand 00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:09.960 that. I would, I would say that we really need help, um, our people and not just our people, 00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:16.920 but the world to, to see that God is present with us, um, in the midst of tragedy. I think that's super key, 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:26.680 um, that, uh, that we know that there is, is hope within, um, difficult times and challenging times, 00:58:26.680 --> 00:58:32.840 that we're not left alone, that we're not, uh, God has a deserted people. Um, but God is actually, 00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:38.040 you know, suffering through this alongside of us and walking with us through it. So I think, 00:58:38.040 --> 00:58:44.040 I think that's key. I think one of the other things, especially for our people and even preparing, 00:58:44.040 --> 00:58:48.840 moving into this, you know, like potentially, because we talked about some of the opportunities, 00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:54.760 but I, I remember I preached the Sunday after 9-11 and I'll never forget that Sunday as long as I live. 00:58:54.760 --> 00:59:02.040 Right. Um, and, and just with my people and just, there's a lot of brokenness, but it ended up being 00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:10.120 also not just a time of, you know, coming together and, and kind of embracing one another and, and talking 00:59:10.120 --> 00:59:17.960 about hope, um, in the midst of crisis, but also incredible opportunity. Um, God is a God of redemption 00:59:18.600 --> 00:59:25.640 and, uh, what the enemy means for evil, God redeems for, for his purposes and for good. And so whenever 00:59:25.640 --> 00:59:32.040 there are crises like, like these, um, we have the opportunity to say there are people who are living 00:59:32.040 --> 00:59:37.960 broken lives and, um, they're looking for wholeness. And in the midst of this, there's even more 00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:42.600 brokenness, you know, your life's already broken and yet, and then there's some sort of calamity or 00:59:42.600 --> 00:59:49.320 tragedy. And, and so we, as the church had the opportunity to engage people, um, in a way, um, 00:59:50.120 --> 00:59:55.480 that, that oftentimes only come through these difficult, difficult, um, circumstances. Right. 00:59:55.480 --> 01:00:00.360 And we see this in individual people's lives, but, but we're, I think we're going to be seeing this in 01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:06.680 the lives of nations around the world, in the lives of cities and communities, um, that, that there is 01:00:06.680 --> 01:00:13.960 this, this, uh, hunger for something true and something real. And, um, we have the opportunity. 01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:18.680 So we want to encourage our people that as much as we're going through this and we want to be here for 01:00:18.680 --> 01:00:25.320 one another in the midst of this, this is also an incredible opportunity for the mission of God, um, for people 01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:31.000 to, to experience the hope of Jesus, maybe for the first time in their lives. And, and we want to, 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:36.520 we want to be a part of God's, um, redemption in the midst of, in the midst of all of this. 01:00:36.520 --> 01:00:41.400 Hey, Kevin, as we're wrapping up, you know, I know part of this, we wanted to create some resources for, 01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:47.240 for Korea. Do you have any, any messages or anything for the people there? Like, like, what would you say 01:00:47.240 --> 01:00:49.000 to, to the Korean audience right now? 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:54.200 Yeah. I just want to echo what Andrew and Jason said, um, just encourage them that, 01:00:54.200 --> 01:00:59.160 that, you know, the spirit that is in us is stronger than the spirit of the world. And, 01:00:59.160 --> 01:01:06.280 you know, one thing that I know about Korea is it's a very enduring country. Uh, it has endured a lot 01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:13.800 and I know it's going to, um, overcome it. So the resources, I think our conversation was very helpful 01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:20.360 because a lot of churches are only looking at how to stream services, but we are giving different 01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:27.160 dimensions of how we can express church online. And it's been incredibly beneficial just to hear it. 01:01:27.160 --> 01:01:33.320 And I can't wait to share it with, with some churches in Korea. Hey gentlemen, thank you very much. Um, 01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:38.920 we're going to land the plane here. This has been a great podcast. Um, and, and I'm, I'm honored to, 01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:44.440 to be with you guys to, to touch on this very sensitive project. Um, just, and we didn't say it up front, 01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:53.080 like health concerns. Listen, I'm the last person to, to want to give advice to somebody on how to do, um, 01:01:53.080 --> 01:01:59.080 like, you know, wash your hands. Don't touch your face. Like I was funny. I was watching Comedy Central 01:01:59.080 --> 01:02:03.960 and they had lined up all these politicians who are making these announcements of do the smart thing. 01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:08.920 Don't touch your face. And then like five seconds later, they cut to a clip of them, like rubbing 01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:13.160 their face over. And I know not to touch my face, but I'm sitting here with my hands on my chin and 01:02:13.160 --> 01:02:18.120 doing everything I can not to do it. So don't listen to me on the physical stuff. And I'm not even going 01:02:18.120 --> 01:02:23.400 to talk to you about that. Listen to like you, whatever the new sources around, uh, that are, 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:28.600 that are hopefully give giving wise sage advice in that situation. But I do know this, there, 01:02:28.600 --> 01:02:33.160 there's more to the church than what happens for the one hour on Sunday. And there's more to the 01:02:33.160 --> 01:02:38.200 church than what happens when it hits the plate. So as you're looking at preparing a strategy for, 01:02:38.200 --> 01:02:45.800 for what church needs to be, how we need to care for and shepherd people, um, who are going through 01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:51.320 tragic situations like this. Don't just look at the one hour Sunday replacement, take a deeper dive, 01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:56.520 look at really what the heart of ministry is, and then look at the heart of what church is, 01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:03.080 and then figure out how to replicate that digitally. It's going to help you plan for the emergency 01:03:03.080 --> 01:03:07.880 situations that that will come. And chances are, it's going to help you with your day-to-day ministry 01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:13.640 today. For Andrew, for Kevin, for Jason, for Ray, who had to step off. This is Jeff with The Church 01:03:13.640 --> 01:03:17.240 digital. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time here on the podcast. Y'all have a good day.