WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.040 all right episode 54 of the church digital podcast man has it been a week or what i 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:12.060 it feels like just a week or so ago i was at the exponential conference in orlando 00:00:12.060 --> 00:00:17.760 hanging out with a bunch of of church planner people trying to figure out multiplication and 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:25.100 then this coronavirus thing came and it has been absolutely bonkers since then by the way 00:00:25.100 --> 00:00:31.880 it has been uh really an enjoyable i hesitate i don't even know what word to say it has been an 00:00:31.880 --> 00:00:37.360 enjoyable experience working with stadia church planting in this process as we're helping churches 00:00:37.360 --> 00:00:42.880 figure out how to do church online you know it's funny we've been talking about digital churches and 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:48.900 digital church and the biblical ecclesiology of all this kind of creating this new model because we've 00:00:48.900 --> 00:00:53.100 got physical churches and we've got digital churches and then somewhere along the way thank you coronavirus 00:00:53.100 --> 00:01:00.960 every church has become a digital only expression of worship because there is no longer any physical 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:07.140 option unless we're talking about the house churches which i think are the only physical option that's 00:01:07.140 --> 00:01:14.620 available to meet at this point today you family who's listening you are a church is that not awesome 00:01:14.620 --> 00:01:22.100 or what well i tell you what this has been a really interesting ride uh there's been a lot of of traffic 00:01:22.100 --> 00:01:26.420 and attention that's been brought to this through stadia we've done tons of webinars i've been asked to 00:01:26.420 --> 00:01:32.800 speak on more podcasts i think within the past week than my entire life combined and somewhere along the 00:01:32.800 --> 00:01:38.200 way it's been awesome to help churches understand yeah it's important to broadcast our services 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:45.680 but there's also this important part of what's next what does discipleship look like what does small 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:52.620 groups look like what does biblical community look like what does being on mission look like for the church 00:01:52.620 --> 00:02:00.000 and that's really the question of episode 54 here with the podcast because great we figured out how to do church 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:08.920 services that's awesome good for you it's a it's a necessary step in order to do church today but don't stop there 00:02:08.920 --> 00:02:17.460 if this is a two to three week thing then maybe just maybe it's okay to just do services but the reach 00:02:17.460 --> 00:02:23.920 that we are getting right now online is astronomical let me let me just share some stats within the church 00:02:23.920 --> 00:02:31.800 digital my website talking about how to do church online i've seen a 1000 increase in traffic week to 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:38.580 a week during this coronavirus season so many of you are asking the questions and that's good but it's not 00:02:38.580 --> 00:02:43.820 just church people it's not just church leaders it's not just pastors who are asking this question 00:02:43.820 --> 00:02:49.840 through conversations with random churches this is a random sampling i'm not saying this is official 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:55.660 but i'm saying that i've heard anywhere from three to five times the amount of viewers in church online 00:02:55.660 --> 00:03:01.220 this weekend than than any other this past weekend what i would call church appreciation sunday 00:03:01.220 --> 00:03:08.380 church online appreciation sunday when everybody started thronging to the online campuses three to five 00:03:08.380 --> 00:03:13.940 times viewership it may just be that we had a lot more attenders in our churches than we realized 00:03:13.940 --> 00:03:19.920 and that they're coming less and less frequently or it may be that people out there do due to this 00:03:19.920 --> 00:03:25.200 coronavirus issue are looking for something they're looking for answers they're looking for hope 00:03:25.200 --> 00:03:32.520 in ways that maybe they don't know how to find and guess what netflix doesn't have all of the answers 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:38.540 for us not even disney plus i know it's hard to imagine disney plus does not have all the answers for us 00:03:38.540 --> 00:03:46.200 today church this is our opportunity not just to connect them into hope but to connect them into community 00:03:46.200 --> 00:03:52.660 re-imagine re-imagine re-think what discipleship what biblical community is 00:03:52.660 --> 00:03:55.980 whatever the mission of your church is 00:03:55.980 --> 00:03:58.780 figure out how to do that in virtual space 00:03:58.780 --> 00:04:03.140 and allow people to be on mission for you 00:04:03.140 --> 00:04:04.640 in this season 00:04:04.640 --> 00:04:08.520 the challenge of the church is not the broadcast services 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:10.960 it's not one-way communication 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:13.660 it's a two-way communication stretch 00:04:13.660 --> 00:04:16.340 that's going to continue to challenge the people 00:04:16.340 --> 00:04:18.900 your audience not just to be a consumer of a product 00:04:18.900 --> 00:04:25.460 but to be on mission for god through your church digitally 00:04:25.460 --> 00:04:29.060 that's a hard challenge but it's one that you 00:04:29.060 --> 00:04:35.580 church one that you pastor need to understand and step up for in a big way 00:04:35.580 --> 00:04:39.160 today so here's where we are scheduled a conversation 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:42.040 brought in some online pastors and was like hey 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:46.560 i want to talk about the context of hey we broadcasted a service that's awesome 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:50.600 what's next because lots of us thousands of us for the first time this past weekend 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:53.420 broadcast the service but we have no idea what's next 00:04:53.420 --> 00:04:57.620 and as much as we're obsessed with broadcasting the services it's the wrong question 00:04:57.620 --> 00:05:01.020 the real question is what's next after the broadcast 00:05:01.020 --> 00:05:05.100 what is that next step what is the goal of the purpose of this 00:05:05.100 --> 00:05:08.140 i was really excited about this conversation so much so 00:05:08.140 --> 00:05:10.840 i decided not to even show up for it 00:05:10.840 --> 00:05:15.320 due to scheduling conflicts honestly i just wasn't able to do it 00:05:15.320 --> 00:05:19.880 and rather than delaying the conversation i said you know what you guys have the conversation 00:05:19.880 --> 00:05:24.080 without me there's probably some leadership lessons in there don't become the lid of your 00:05:24.080 --> 00:05:25.760 organization empower others to do 00:05:25.760 --> 00:05:29.480 so and i don't have that conversation now but it is a good conversation 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:35.560 i brought in uh ray de armas co-host who's now the official host of the church digital podcast for 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:39.020 this episode he's going to be leading the conversation i brought in two 00:05:39.020 --> 00:05:44.140 uh friends of mine two guys that that have been doing online ministry for a while now 00:05:44.140 --> 00:05:47.380 uh different size churches i brought in andy mage 00:05:47.380 --> 00:05:52.260 from bay hope church as well as mark brant from lutheran church of hope 00:05:52.260 --> 00:05:56.360 what's interesting here got different denominations different size churches 00:05:56.360 --> 00:06:04.760 but all of them have a very clear vision on what is next and how that process works of hey great 00:06:04.760 --> 00:06:08.520 we're broadcasting services good for us what's the next step 00:06:08.520 --> 00:06:15.640 great conversation i'm glad you're here um looking forward to what's next for all of you 00:06:15.640 --> 00:06:24.280 so many folks are are now having church online due to the advent of covet 19 otherwise known as the 00:06:24.280 --> 00:06:29.440 coronavirus a lot of folks started streaming maybe even for the first time this week i know i talked 00:06:29.440 --> 00:06:34.340 to a lot of friends that man their church streamed for the first time this week it felt a little 00:06:34.340 --> 00:06:39.420 dangerous felt a little weird but man they went out there they did it they did it and now the big 00:06:39.420 --> 00:06:47.380 question is how do they move from content to community so they streamed a lot of content they 00:06:47.380 --> 00:06:52.760 put their message out there but now the now how can they help take all those folks who watched all 00:06:52.760 --> 00:06:57.680 those views all the different streams that happen and how can they start moving forward and building 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:03.480 community around that that's a big big big and an awesome new frontier for us too i mean it's it's so 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:07.120 neat to know that people can connect this way especially in this time i mean nobody wanted 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:13.680 obviously for church online to become so prominent uh but it's great that now uh there's it's just so 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:18.060 much easier and accessible for churches even ones that have never done this before i think i think 00:07:18.060 --> 00:07:24.860 people wanted it to be uh maybe guys like jeff reed and everybody else on this pod but um you know i 00:07:24.860 --> 00:07:31.660 think i think it's it's interesting to the the last and we're recording this on a monday uh after 00:07:31.660 --> 00:07:35.740 kind of the the world blew up at least the the united states world kind of blew up 00:07:35.740 --> 00:07:43.820 and watching the sprint that happened towards the end of last week really the nba got canceled 00:07:43.820 --> 00:07:49.860 and then march madness and then you know my timeline is going to get fuzzy because i'm i'm i've had way 00:07:49.860 --> 00:07:56.960 more coffee than i've had sleep lately but watching the amount of churches that went oh snap we have to 00:07:56.960 --> 00:08:03.340 close our doors what are we going to do um it's funny and and ray get and getting asked to be on here 00:08:03.340 --> 00:08:07.880 i think mark and i we've been you know we've been doing church online for a while i mean bay hope's 00:08:07.880 --> 00:08:13.660 been doing it for almost 10 years now mark how long you guys been doing it uh i think it's six or seven 00:08:13.660 --> 00:08:21.260 i i lose track too on the timeline yeah um but the but it's not just broadcasting services you know 00:08:21.260 --> 00:08:28.700 it's not just it it it it's all that's the that's the front door to everything right now is the is the 00:08:28.700 --> 00:08:33.140 sunday morning service experience or the weekend service or whatever you want to call it but then there's that 00:08:33.140 --> 00:08:38.520 follow-up that needs to happen how do you keep people not only engaged for the 167 hours but how do you keep them 00:08:38.520 --> 00:08:45.480 engaged with the body of christ such that that we can kind of further the mission of jesus and i think 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:50.660 that's where we're in an interesting time right now is that these are the these are the times that try 00:08:50.660 --> 00:08:55.980 men's souls is what i've been kind of telling people that's that's a good line and it's true this does try 00:08:55.980 --> 00:09:00.840 men's souls and and really for a lot of churches it's i i don't want to say everybody's acting like a 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:05.680 hypocrite or anything like that but it's definitely expanding our theology in terms of what it means to gather 00:09:05.680 --> 00:09:11.380 isn't it especially since we we currently don't have the capability of gathering publicly you know 00:09:11.380 --> 00:09:17.200 this last week the cdc recommending that it might be an eight-week window in which many of us can't 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:23.900 gather in gatherings of over 50 or more in person and so that's a big deal and so now we've got a lot 00:09:23.900 --> 00:09:30.460 of churches having to answer the question of all right so we can't gather but we're streaming but how can 00:09:30.460 --> 00:09:36.080 we encourage people to build community around this and so what are some ways that you guys have done 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:40.140 this i mean it's been over 10 years for for the two of you and even for cf we've been doing this for a 00:09:40.140 --> 00:09:48.440 long time so how do we help take churches especially smaller churches from the stream to community in this 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:55.360 time period i think i think there's a couple of practical ways it's funny i um i wrote a blog post for 00:09:55.360 --> 00:10:02.900 church digital uh about this that went up yesterday as a matter of fact um and i related it to world of 00:10:02.900 --> 00:10:11.080 warcraft and i i was a big gamer and um what would happen with massively multiplayer rpg games is that 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:16.480 you would start this game by yourself and then you would uh ultimately find yourself in a large group 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:22.060 of people uh running around you know shooting zombies and killing monsters and stuff but what 00:10:22.060 --> 00:10:28.260 would happen is that would you and you eventually would group up together and that group would be 00:10:28.260 --> 00:10:34.180 fulfilling quests and objectives but that group would actually start moving more into the week and so 00:10:34.180 --> 00:10:40.360 you'd be getting out of the game talking to people in message boards and chat rooms and and all these 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:46.100 other things and then you would actually over a period of time learn about these people who started as just 00:10:46.100 --> 00:10:52.120 faces on a screen uh or characters on a screen you would learn about these people about their lives about 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.860 their wives and children about their homes about their struggles and their joys and all these other 00:10:56.860 --> 00:11:01.820 things and and some of those people that i met i am actually 15 years later i'm still friends with and 00:11:01.820 --> 00:11:07.600 i still talk to um even though they're literally in one of you know in washington and california and 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:16.220 and maine and new york i still talk to them and the interesting thing is we we can do that even more 00:11:16.220 --> 00:11:22.100 readily now than we could 15 years ago now we have this advent of video conferencing and all this other 00:11:22.100 --> 00:11:31.640 stuff where we can actually group people in the acts to church model way easier than i think the physical 00:11:31.640 --> 00:11:37.360 church realizes so physical church involves you having to drive to a place even if it's a small group 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:41.180 you have to drive to somebody's house you get the kids together you know you pack them up in the back 00:11:41.180 --> 00:11:44.900 of the car and then we're going to do the acts to thing of oh hey we're meeting in homes and we're 00:11:44.900 --> 00:11:50.680 helping and all this other stuff we can do that immediately i just have to send a link around and 00:11:50.680 --> 00:11:55.500 people click on that and then boom there i am on their computer screen and then boom there's 25 other 00:11:55.500 --> 00:12:00.880 people in a room and we're all in this computer screen together learning the same thing looking at the 00:12:00.880 --> 00:12:05.440 same thing and then at the end of the time i can say okay guys love you let's pray boom and then 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:11.520 i go back to my life and they go back to their life i think it we're in such a cool period right now 00:12:11.520 --> 00:12:17.240 that we need to step into this to explore it yeah i would even take it you know a step further with 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:22.320 that small grouping idea that um i think we're shattering some models of how people meet and group 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.420 and and do community before it was hey we're gonna have a small group we're gonna meet on the 00:12:26.420 --> 00:12:34.280 every other friday at jeff's house and uh and whoever can make it can make it and so many of 00:12:34.280 --> 00:12:38.220 those models were starting to fail because life has gotten so busy to begin with people just have 00:12:38.220 --> 00:12:43.020 travel schedules that get on just untenable to be able to meet in person as regularly as they'd want 00:12:43.020 --> 00:12:47.180 and so so many small groups were starting to fail community was starting to disappear 00:12:47.180 --> 00:12:52.200 because people were getting so busy well now you add online ministry as an option for people 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:58.800 and take away you know even the current climate we're in with this the anxiety and fear uh i feel 00:12:58.800 --> 00:13:04.680 like small groups and community is a great next step for people who are doing online it's how do you 00:13:04.680 --> 00:13:09.100 get people to begin to meet and even if they live right down the street it's letting people know hey 00:13:09.100 --> 00:13:13.060 you can get together virtually you can have a small group in a meeting like this 00:13:13.060 --> 00:13:18.600 that is very authentic and it's it's not i mean obviously everybody and all of us that do this say 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:24.880 in person is always going to be better but this is really becoming a great way to get people together 00:13:24.880 --> 00:13:29.760 in the same space to share community so families you know you have young kids you get them to bed 00:13:29.760 --> 00:13:34.320 and you've got that time where you typically you'd unwind with a netflix show or something like that 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:38.600 well now you say hey our small group's going to meet at 9 p.m on tuesday night 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:42.940 jump online we'll get our computers up and you're meeting with people that you know you're going to 00:13:42.940 --> 00:13:47.280 see the next day maybe at the grocery store or the school but this is the best time you can get 00:13:47.280 --> 00:13:51.560 together for 30 minutes of just prayer and encouragement so i think we're trying to just 00:13:51.560 --> 00:13:57.120 look at all these new models of how to be church together and so if i'm a new pastor you know doing 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:03.240 this online stuff and i've got people who can't leave their homes for a while um you know and i i've 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:08.100 got a way to teach them how to do groups you know in a zoom or other uh option 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:13.360 this is this is the time to be thinking and learning about those things and then the interesting 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:19.540 thing oh go ahead ray sorry no no i was going to say andy uh um that this adds to the whole aspect of 00:14:19.540 --> 00:14:24.600 community you know so often we've talked about uh how our churches are often like theatrical 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:30.320 environments in which the quote-unquote church can't necessarily get engaged right because they're 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:37.440 just receiving content just by sitting there in a pew however online now uh we've been and we've 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:44.480 continued to and and it's almost encouraged for them to participate and this creates a new kind of a new 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:51.700 kind of way for them to be part of church which is brilliant the uh it's funny so this last weekend i saw 00:14:51.700 --> 00:14:57.980 um as the as the transition started happening very rapidly from hey we're not meeting physically to 00:14:57.980 --> 00:15:04.760 okay now we've got this streaming thing i saw a number of people um friends of mine on facebook and 00:15:04.760 --> 00:15:10.240 uh follow you know people i follow on instagram and stuff that were having the same debates that i think 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:16.380 our churches both mark and i's churches would have had five or six years ago of there's no way you can 00:15:16.380 --> 00:15:20.260 do this you need to actually see somebody and you need to you know physically you know this is how 00:15:20.260 --> 00:15:26.600 this is it's the body language and all this other stuff and i saw people very vehemently disagreeing 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:32.040 with the notion that you can do church online and you can more than that you can do community and groups 00:15:32.040 --> 00:15:38.220 online and yet i think there's and maybe that's just an older generation and so i don't i don't want 00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:43.720 to i don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water there but for me i'm i'm 36 i'm a i'm a 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:47.960 i'm as much of a digital native as you're going to find in pastoral leadership outside of you know 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:54.340 so like you know some of the younger guys but but i automatically like i can see somebody on a screen 00:15:54.340 --> 00:15:58.820 and i go okay they're talking to me so that's a real person you know there's almost a suspension 00:15:58.820 --> 00:16:06.220 of disbelief that happens that that we can really lean into as we create community yeah and and the 00:16:06.220 --> 00:16:12.880 hard thing is there is we are a lot of paradigms had to be broken uh this past weekend right uh for a lot 00:16:12.880 --> 00:16:19.880 of folks um and that right there it's so difficult and i understand it's really difficult when someone 00:16:19.880 --> 00:16:25.520 you know to to use the phrase someone moves your cheese like this right especially especially when 00:16:25.520 --> 00:16:31.380 you weren't ready for it and you and you were antagonistic towards it and you were saying but no 00:16:31.380 --> 00:16:35.400 but this isn't possible and and listen this isn't about being right or wrong it's just 00:16:35.400 --> 00:16:41.400 it's understanding the difficulty of having to be pushed through this paradigm shift as opposed to 00:16:41.400 --> 00:16:47.920 let me absorb it let me think through it let me welcome it into my life and really my biggest 00:16:47.920 --> 00:16:52.720 concern is and and let me ask you how folks in your environments are engaging with this how the elderly 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:57.160 are engaging with this because this is primarily like they're it's going to be their primary way of 00:16:57.160 --> 00:17:02.580 engaging with church for probably the next month right yeah and that's going to be i think a struggle 00:17:02.580 --> 00:17:07.700 uh i've already seen it where uh in my role i've been called by some of our shut-in folks to come 00:17:07.700 --> 00:17:13.860 in and help them get connected and even just showing them how to hook an hdmi cable to their computer 00:17:13.860 --> 00:17:21.700 to their smart tv to help have a better and more stable streaming experience uh sometimes it's going a 00:17:21.700 --> 00:17:27.540 step too far like whoa what are you talking about and so i think um we're gonna have to go slow with this 00:17:27.540 --> 00:17:34.380 uh we decided uh for the first time as a church uh to record our traditional service we had not ever 00:17:34.380 --> 00:17:39.380 done that before we still have a traditional lutheran liturgical service with uh hymns and such 00:17:39.380 --> 00:17:44.500 um and so we did that yesterday we put that out online last night for our folks that consider that 00:17:44.500 --> 00:17:50.340 their church home uh i'm still waiting to hear uh how that's going for them so i'm excited to kind of 00:17:50.340 --> 00:17:55.060 get some feedback and see because i think that's something we were it's it's so funny this is fast 00:17:55.060 --> 00:18:00.660 forwarding everything we had talked about producing a video file of that service for a while because we 00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:05.940 have a lot of folks that just because of other underlying concerns couldn't make it to begin well now put 00:18:05.940 --> 00:18:10.660 us in this scenario and i mean we were scrambling yesterday to get a camera in there and we actually 00:18:10.660 --> 00:18:16.260 talked about bringing in hymn singers to sing in the room you know just to give it more of an authentic 00:18:16.260 --> 00:18:23.300 feel um so it's yeah but the elderly folks it's it's teaching them a new trick but also keeping it so 00:18:23.300 --> 00:18:28.420 simple that that they don't have to i mean some of these things are so user-friendly anymore but it's 00:18:28.420 --> 00:18:35.460 just that that getting over this idea that it's new or different and then recognizing how beautiful 00:18:35.460 --> 00:18:43.060 it can be well and the thing about being a pastor is that you need to lead your flock and not just 00:18:43.060 --> 00:18:50.260 expect them to keep up with you and so there have you know there's the the younger sort of digital 00:18:50.260 --> 00:18:55.300 native part of me wants to go to some of the people that i've had to talk to in the nine months i've 00:18:55.300 --> 00:19:02.340 been doing this well duh you just click a link like it's duh how can you not get that then the pastoral 00:19:02.340 --> 00:19:08.500 side of you says oh i need to love even that with grace 00:19:10.500 --> 00:19:16.420 yeah that's good i always like to think of it as if i'm talking to my own family members my own 00:19:16.420 --> 00:19:20.820 grandparents when when we have to walk folks through that i mean i'm sure like many of you 00:19:20.820 --> 00:19:25.860 uh uh you know especially when you're involved in and what it is that we're doing uh your it for the 00:19:25.860 --> 00:19:31.940 family like that's how it works um you know uh mom and dad or grandma and grandpa need help plug 00:19:31.940 --> 00:19:37.540 him in that new dvd player or hey we just got him an apple tv awesome so call ray up and i'm coming 00:19:37.540 --> 00:19:41.860 over and in the same way with church it's kind of working the same thing we had to flag our campus 00:19:41.860 --> 00:19:47.860 pastors early on before the weekend to be willing to do the same thing uh for folks in our congregation 00:19:47.860 --> 00:19:53.460 just flagging that hey it would be really unfair for us to have church to enjoy church online to all 00:19:53.460 --> 00:19:58.900 of us get to have this great experience and then for them to feel very very left out simply because 00:19:58.900 --> 00:20:04.020 they didn't know how to turn it on or how to switch you know how to switch uh which source their 00:20:04.020 --> 00:20:10.740 television was on or even hey uh where do i go on the website like how do i make this easier and and 00:20:10.740 --> 00:20:16.980 that's that's a very difficult thing but now then as we talk about community what are some tools that 00:20:16.980 --> 00:20:22.740 you guys uh leverage currently for online community like what are some different ways that you do that 00:20:22.740 --> 00:20:32.740 the biggest ones right now um are for for us in particular are facebook and zoom um and those 00:20:32.740 --> 00:20:40.180 are obviously universal uh box standards uh facebook just for the chat aspect of it more than anything 00:20:40.180 --> 00:20:47.140 and the quick video quick announcements kind of quick connection thing uh and then zoom for our online 00:20:47.140 --> 00:20:53.700 groups uh that's just been the easiest way to kind of get 15 to 20 to however many people you want in a 00:20:53.700 --> 00:20:58.980 room um and if you need to do video curriculum you can share the video share the image whatever but 00:20:59.540 --> 00:21:04.580 most people as long as you walk them through it for about five minutes they'll understand zoom 00:21:05.140 --> 00:21:10.180 we're doing the same thing i mean zoom is uh it's the easiest platform i think for anybody to jump on 00:21:10.980 --> 00:21:15.940 you don't have to download the app but it's helpful if you do i mean it's um it's really easy just 00:21:15.940 --> 00:21:21.060 click a link and you know we joke about that before and click a link but yeah it it truly can be that 00:21:21.060 --> 00:21:27.940 simple um but we're also we're trying to to do some unique content on youtube now as well we started 00:21:27.940 --> 00:21:33.220 a video podcast with our senior pastor called pastor mike drop uh his name is pastor mike so that's very 00:21:33.220 --> 00:21:41.060 clever dad jokish but um we're utilizing that as a way to communicate uh information to folks so for 00:21:41.060 --> 00:21:47.300 example we're really lucky one of our associate pastors uh is a also a medical doctor by trade 00:21:47.300 --> 00:21:54.100 she was an ob gyn still is uh and so she actually came on she co-taught yesterday with our senior 00:21:54.100 --> 00:22:00.980 pastor uh because she can offer the medical side of this whole issue we're facing uh and so she actually 00:22:00.980 --> 00:22:06.020 did a podcast this past week with him and that's been one of our most viewed podcasts we've ever had 00:22:06.020 --> 00:22:11.860 because uh she just brought that level of expertise so many people have commented back that was so helpful 00:22:11.860 --> 00:22:18.260 to have her on there and so we're gonna before we we had thought about just we recorded like 10 early 00:22:18.820 --> 00:22:22.020 you know within a week and we were going to put those out you know one every day and then we're 00:22:22.020 --> 00:22:29.780 going to do one a week of those um video podcasts i think now that we have this uh time to reevaluate i 00:22:29.780 --> 00:22:36.020 think our senior pastor is going to be recording those as quickly as he can uh just because what 00:22:36.020 --> 00:22:40.580 can happen is people used to take for granted we can just go to the building we can go and hang out 00:22:40.580 --> 00:22:46.260 with our with our classes and our people uh and that's not going to be the case and so all of those 00:22:46.260 --> 00:22:51.220 different things we're going to have to reevaluate can we create those same experiences digitally and 00:22:51.220 --> 00:22:57.140 what can that look like um and i would i would love to say that we've got that all figured out today 00:22:57.140 --> 00:23:02.100 but we don't but the nice thing is we're closer than we would have ever been before to produce that 00:23:02.100 --> 00:23:07.140 same level of digital content and now it's just helping people understand that that experience that 00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:13.860 they're going to have digitally while different can still be every bit as authentic as it would be if 00:23:13.860 --> 00:23:19.620 you were sitting in a classroom in our building in west des moines or otherwise and it's um to piggyback on 00:23:19.620 --> 00:23:24.820 that and here's a little inside baseball um for everyone listening mark and i are actually in a 00:23:24.820 --> 00:23:32.900 small group that we meet once a week ish uh as regularly as possible um and god kind of brought 00:23:32.900 --> 00:23:37.940 us but also a bunch of people to the same idea at the same time not not necessarily the video podcast 00:23:37.940 --> 00:23:47.140 but grouping people around um self-produced content youtube content basically how do we as as church leaders 00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:54.260 help organize people around bits of content not these huge swaths of things but you know so for example 00:23:54.260 --> 00:23:57.700 that that medical doctor podcast like mark you're sitting here talking about that and i'm going 00:23:58.260 --> 00:24:03.700 oh man how could we as the church not just your church and not just my church but how could we as 00:24:03.700 --> 00:24:10.500 capital c church jump on that and like i i almost wonder if there's a way um one of the screens i have 00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:15.860 open right now behind you guys is a is a as a google sheet that we're sharing between all our pastoral staff and 00:24:15.860 --> 00:24:21.140 shooting schedules and stuff for the next weeks you know just to get content out there i would love to 00:24:21.140 --> 00:24:26.100 have that not just with our church but with all churches so that we can start to open up these 00:24:26.100 --> 00:24:32.980 groups inter-church interdenominational groups and that's very crunchy pie in the sky hippie way of 00:24:32.980 --> 00:24:39.380 looking at things but we're in this era like let's try it let's group people together and see what works 00:24:40.180 --> 00:24:44.180 yeah not not at all i don't think it's i don't think it's very hippie issue or thinking that way 00:24:44.180 --> 00:24:49.460 too i mean what i found is the online community in terms of churches and church online uh has actually 00:24:49.460 --> 00:24:53.860 been more interdenominational in terms of helping each other out than anything else that i've been a 00:24:53.860 --> 00:24:58.660 part of which is a beautiful thing in terms of sharing information and it's funny because our people 00:24:58.660 --> 00:25:03.140 need to hear this kind of content mark i want to applaud you in your church in terms of what you've done 00:25:03.140 --> 00:25:07.060 because even as i was talking you know for the first time we offered a kids experience online this 00:25:07.060 --> 00:25:10.500 week and one of the things that we discussed with our kids ministry is how we're going to capitalize on 00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:17.700 that and what and a topic that we came up on is help like helping parents disciple their kids and 00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:24.420 navigate social distancing and what that's going to look like but then not just creating the content but 00:25:24.420 --> 00:25:29.060 making sure that there's conversation around the content as well there's a total aside from the 00:25:29.060 --> 00:25:33.300 pocket can you share that i would love to take a look at that yeah we've not created it yet but 00:25:33.300 --> 00:25:37.700 we'll totally share that with you guys and and send it over and mark you know we'll include this in the 00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:42.340 show notes as far as what you guys did this last sunday uh because i think it'd be great and i think a 00:25:42.340 --> 00:25:48.340 lot of churches could learn from that because you know this is a great opportunity for us to continue 00:25:48.340 --> 00:25:54.340 and to engage in the conversation like culture at large is having this conversation and the church 00:25:54.340 --> 00:26:00.900 there's a place for us here um and and it's not in terms of fear and fear-mongering and it's not in 00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:06.580 the truth of in terms of just pushing faith but there's there's a way to bring everybody together and to 00:26:06.580 --> 00:26:11.140 say hey listen so as believers here's our response and here's how we're going to guide our families 00:26:11.140 --> 00:26:16.100 through these things and we can generate these conversations and start them uh just real quick 00:26:16.100 --> 00:26:19.780 because we actually had similar conversations this week in terms of what tools because we'd 00:26:19.780 --> 00:26:25.780 already been using zoom um but because uh onboarding people can be so difficult we're even encouraging 00:26:25.780 --> 00:26:31.780 people to go back to old school phone conferencing like hey call up a member of your small group and 00:26:31.780 --> 00:26:36.900 add a call on your iphone and add a call and add a call and keep adding a call you know if it's like 00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:42.420 the easiest way for you to do this if you don't want to download an excess app if you don't want to go 00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:47.460 about those things then just go old school you know old school prayer chain and just add a call 00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:53.220 right there and let's all gather around the iphones and let's have small group you know yeah we can't 00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:57.940 see each other but at least we know that we're here and we're together and we can have conversation 00:26:58.580 --> 00:27:02.900 uh there's so many different ways to do that so for even churches that are thinking themselves man i 00:27:02.900 --> 00:27:06.820 don't want to go out i don't think we can afford zoom right now things are all crazy we're not even sure 00:27:06.820 --> 00:27:12.020 about giving right now but we just need some free tools guys there's stuff that exists out there for 00:27:12.020 --> 00:27:16.260 you to come around and to be in creative community whether it's just a phone call whether it's google 00:27:16.260 --> 00:27:21.620 hangout something we've done before here uh but leverage whatever tools that there are because 00:27:21.620 --> 00:27:25.300 there's all sorts of ways go ahead and andy you had another two other two other ones actually you're 00:27:25.300 --> 00:27:29.140 talking about the phone thing two other real cheap and free ones anybody listening to this needs 00:27:29.140 --> 00:27:34.660 them skype obviously great is installable on any platform allows you to put a bunch of 00:27:34.660 --> 00:27:40.660 people in a room together the audio quality is not the best but it it works um the other one is slack 00:27:40.660 --> 00:27:46.100 and i've been experimenting with slack for uh i'm trying to get people away from facebook because 00:27:46.100 --> 00:27:50.660 facebook is the you know the big evil but also a lot of people are just leaving facebook in droves 00:27:50.660 --> 00:27:57.540 um slack actually has video conferencing built into the free client up to 15 people that you can group 00:27:57.540 --> 00:28:03.940 together uh and and then you have a chat transcript of everything that happened later so there's this 00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:10.740 enormous opportunity there slack and i i believe i want to say um discord does it as well discord's more 00:28:11.860 --> 00:28:18.100 kind of esoteric for a lot of people so just if you want to stick to slack go for it that's good are you 00:28:18.100 --> 00:28:22.900 guys providing uh questions or like discussion questions to help generate some of that community 00:28:22.900 --> 00:28:27.940 alongside the content that you're creating on the weekends yeah so i'll jump in on that um 00:28:27.940 --> 00:28:34.500 uh we have been producing a a document essentially that was shareable on our website for our small 00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:41.300 groups it was a sermon discussion guide uh where our uh small groups pastor would edit down the sermon to 00:28:41.300 --> 00:28:46.180 you know take out some of the stuff that uh we can shorten it down to about 20 minutes so it's a little bit 00:28:46.180 --> 00:28:52.420 more digestible uh we're talking about now coupling that with a video component as well so that small groups 00:28:53.140 --> 00:28:57.620 that maybe can't meet in person can do this on their own and then get together virtually to discuss 00:28:58.260 --> 00:29:03.860 so we can at least keep that continuity of meeting uh going because as you know as people do right now 00:29:03.860 --> 00:29:09.620 they're kind of hunkering down and you know i would say it too i mean obviously this is very contextual 00:29:09.620 --> 00:29:14.900 based on what we're facing right now but a lot of folks are really concerned over this social distancing 00:29:14.900 --> 00:29:21.860 and folks that already feel isolated in general and if we don't find ways to virtually connect 00:29:21.860 --> 00:29:26.020 i think especially as the church and encourage that we're gonna have some folks who are already 00:29:26.020 --> 00:29:31.380 struggling you know with that connection point in general that can feel so isolated that it's just 00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:34.660 it's it's going to get to a point where we just we encourage people at the end of our broadcast 00:29:34.660 --> 00:29:40.340 yesterday we said hey reach out virtually or give a phone call to people you know really need you know 00:29:40.340 --> 00:29:46.580 that reach out right now because um especially given this time this is where you know that virtual 00:29:46.580 --> 00:29:51.540 connection can really make a difference for folks in staying connected not only to just one another 00:29:51.540 --> 00:29:57.300 but to that faith growth yeah to piggyback on that we're actually we do uh we don't necessarily do off 00:29:57.300 --> 00:30:03.060 the sermon itself we haven't we do that every so often um but our newest role of groups was supposed to 00:30:03.060 --> 00:30:08.740 be starting after easter but given everything it's actually going to start this week um we've i've got 00:30:08.740 --> 00:30:14.660 a meeting of our leaders happening at the middle of this week and then we're starting that role on 00:30:14.660 --> 00:30:19.380 sunday we're starting a brand new curriculum or a brand new semester excuse me and we're basically 00:30:19.380 --> 00:30:25.460 we've got a couple of groups one group is just doing a straight uh bible study like our the leader he's 00:30:26.100 --> 00:30:30.900 um a brilliant guy and he's just going to walk people through the book of james and he's doing 00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:35.620 old school bible study and just one-on-one type stuff it's going to be great uh we've got another 00:30:35.620 --> 00:30:42.980 group that is going to be doing kind of some more right now media kind of guided content um so just 00:30:42.980 --> 00:30:47.540 from other places that we can kind of zoom in you know i always use the crazy love example it's not 00:30:47.540 --> 00:30:51.620 going to be crazy love but you know something a little bit more introductory there to see if the 00:30:51.620 --> 00:30:56.420 group dynamic works and then give it six weeks if it doesn't work spin off into another group we 00:30:56.420 --> 00:31:03.460 actually had um a guy that he started our whole online ministry and kind of helped here and then 00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:08.340 backed away and has been a volunteer ever since he had a really brilliant idea a couple weeks ago that 00:31:08.340 --> 00:31:15.620 we're going to in enact immediately actually and that is the group that is less about a study and a 00:31:15.620 --> 00:31:22.020 curriculum and that is more about relationship and relational so literally it's going to be a group that 00:31:22.020 --> 00:31:26.420 we're just going to get get together whenever we can maybe two groups maybe three groups have a leader 00:31:26.420 --> 00:31:31.860 have kind of a guided prayer session and then really just open it up for 20 30 minutes and just 00:31:31.860 --> 00:31:36.980 talk and just chat and really just you know especially right now i think if if people are looking at the 00:31:37.620 --> 00:31:41.860 you know the i know the extroverted people right now are dying a thousand deaths every time that they 00:31:41.860 --> 00:31:47.540 have to they hear about being quarantined and have can't leave their house for eight weeks and i i 00:31:47.540 --> 00:31:52.820 understand that i i totally get that and so if we can offer a space that allows people to just come and 00:31:52.820 --> 00:31:58.820 talk just we don't have to learn we don't have to it's just let's just talk um i think that's a 00:31:58.820 --> 00:32:03.220 that's a very plausible idea and i think one that's going to gain a ton of traction 00:32:04.820 --> 00:32:09.380 yeah it's funny because a few weeks ago we talked to ed stetzer and we were kind of discussing the 00:32:09.380 --> 00:32:15.380 need for a third space in terms of church environments like we had we talked about you 00:32:15.380 --> 00:32:19.860 know hey so it's great that we've got services and it's great that we have small groups but we discussed 00:32:19.860 --> 00:32:26.100 the need for a third environment and i think this whole thing that's going on can actually fast forward 00:32:26.100 --> 00:32:33.460 digital becoming that third environment that third space because you know i i lamented kind of the loss of 00:32:33.460 --> 00:32:37.700 sunday school i don't know if either you guys grew up with sunday school but i did and you know in sunday 00:32:37.700 --> 00:32:43.060 school there was a lot of good education in terms of spiritual disciplines there was a little bit of 00:32:43.060 --> 00:32:49.540 a higher accountability there was a lot more that went on that when churches in general when we made 00:32:49.540 --> 00:32:55.300 the hard swing to hey move away from sunday school and move directly towards small bridge only 00:32:55.300 --> 00:33:01.540 we we now have an under educated uh christian wise you know generation coming up behind us 00:33:01.540 --> 00:33:06.340 in terms of just some of the basic stuff of the bible and now we're opening up opportunities 00:33:06.340 --> 00:33:10.740 digitally for a lot of this to occur where it's like even churches that move towards simple church 00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:15.060 like ours did uh online environments over the next couple weeks are going to be our way of like 00:33:15.060 --> 00:33:18.180 engaging people midweek where we didn't even have a midweek service before 00:33:19.780 --> 00:33:24.180 but now we see just the need to stay plugged in with people because we don't have the capability of 00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:29.140 meeting with them face to face well and i kind of liken it to this you know you talk about people 00:33:29.140 --> 00:33:34.660 getting comfortable with the environment um short story when i was a kid growing up i was a huge cubs 00:33:34.660 --> 00:33:39.460 fan absolutely lived and died by the cubs my grandfather started it it was a terrible affliction for so 00:33:39.460 --> 00:33:45.940 many years because of how bad they were but i'll never forget you know watching wrigley field on tv was 00:33:45.940 --> 00:33:51.700 so amazing you know uh just to see the ivy and just to see the players and on the field i thought ma'am 00:33:51.700 --> 00:33:56.740 what would it look like to be there in person and so i went finally when i was 22 to my first game 00:33:56.740 --> 00:34:01.860 and just walking in the field was like man it totally it shattered all my expectations you know on what 00:34:01.860 --> 00:34:08.420 i thought it it would have been so take that in reverse a bit you know we're so used to in person 00:34:08.420 --> 00:34:15.220 you know but i think once people realize that this virtual experience can be authentic and it you know 00:34:15.220 --> 00:34:20.420 oh oh wow this isn't as bad as i thought it was going to be um it really can enhance the ability to 00:34:20.420 --> 00:34:25.940 stay connected especially during this time uh i mean andy and i and jeff have been you know hanging 00:34:25.940 --> 00:34:31.140 out together for the better part of six you know months or so and uh we've never been in the same space 00:34:31.140 --> 00:34:35.620 together you know we've never been in the same room or building together but i consider these guys you 00:34:35.620 --> 00:34:40.500 know friends and you know we we do life together in in the way that this is you know so much so that 00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:45.060 you know if we ever do happen to you know finally get a chance to to be around each other that's gonna 00:34:45.060 --> 00:34:50.980 be a really cool moment uh just to say oh man you know here we go uh i think our people in our churches 00:34:50.980 --> 00:34:58.260 especially a pastor who is exploring this for the first time uh needs to understand you know try this out 00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:03.780 you know it's it really can be authentic i think the fear before was how can you be authentic via a 00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:10.420 screen and um i feel like that is the more you experience it the less that fear is is prevalent 00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:16.820 yeah um because you really can be church together yeah it's funny because we've discussed uh how 00:35:16.820 --> 00:35:23.380 avatar sometimes can encourage people to be more um more willing to share just because they feel all right 00:35:23.380 --> 00:35:28.180 because there's distance between us in terms of the screen and everything else they feel more open as 00:35:28.180 --> 00:35:34.500 if like well you can't hurt me or you can't do something about it so i'm more open to be honest 00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:42.900 or to be me um which can create a lot of interesting things in terms of authentic community and church 00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:48.180 as we have this over the next couple weeks you know in times past we have our church self we have our 00:35:48.180 --> 00:35:54.580 social media self but now with digital online uh especially with these smaller environments to encounter 00:35:54.580 --> 00:36:01.220 the content right encounter the the message but then having to honestly answer okay but how is this 00:36:01.220 --> 00:36:06.740 impacting my faith well and take it even a step further uh let's take the context out of things 00:36:06.740 --> 00:36:13.780 all together what we're really experiencing right now is a new advent of ways to connect with people 00:36:13.780 --> 00:36:19.060 and there will be some folks that may connect with our churches for the very first time ever because 00:36:19.060 --> 00:36:24.020 they realize oh i don't have to show up in person the first time i can check them out online first 00:36:24.020 --> 00:36:28.980 so there's a real opportunity here especially for some of these smaller church gatherings uh where 00:36:28.980 --> 00:36:32.740 folks are going to check them out for the first time virtually why because it's finally an option 00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:38.260 and you know don't underscore the fact that this could be an opportunity to reach people who have never been 00:36:38.260 --> 00:36:42.340 to church before i mean of course there are your folks who are your regular folks are like yeah so 00:36:42.340 --> 00:36:47.620 glad we could still be church together but there's also people in that virtual space who are hanging out 00:36:47.620 --> 00:36:52.580 with you for the first time and you could say hey we would love to meet you in person when we get the 00:36:52.580 --> 00:36:58.660 chance to do so and here's where we are it's it to never uh because it's easy for us to assume 00:36:58.660 --> 00:37:03.860 you know and use insider language with folks in that space uh to to take that aside and say no we need 00:37:03.860 --> 00:37:09.780 to be as welcoming in this environment as we would be for anybody walking into our physical space so 00:37:09.780 --> 00:37:16.260 that they not only can connect with somebody so you know yesterday we had uh hosts we actually had 00:37:16.260 --> 00:37:21.540 co-hosts for the first time ever there was myself and and uh one of our other pastors that sat at a table 00:37:21.540 --> 00:37:26.660 we welcomed people on camera then we handed it off to our our worship team and each and every person 00:37:26.660 --> 00:37:32.660 introduced themselves you know so that the person who was watching knew oh that's alissa she's our worship 00:37:32.660 --> 00:37:39.220 leader oh that's mike he's our senior pastor oh that's mark that's amanda we we tried to to really 00:37:39.220 --> 00:37:46.100 be as open in that environment as possible so that that first time viewer didn't just see us as some 00:37:46.100 --> 00:37:53.300 uh face on a screen they saw us as a somebody that really did truly want to connect with them that's 00:37:53.300 --> 00:37:58.900 really beautiful and it's the kind of things like that that really make church online more about the 00:37:58.900 --> 00:38:06.020 community and less suggest about hey i'm watching the screen um and as we go over these next couple 00:38:06.020 --> 00:38:12.180 weeks i know churches it's going to be tough uh andy mark what would you tell a lead pastor right now 00:38:12.180 --> 00:38:17.300 just to encourage them like hey listen this is this could be a solid game changer for your church what 00:38:17.300 --> 00:38:23.860 would you like this morning we had an all staff prayer time uh just to kind of lead out and lead into 00:38:23.860 --> 00:38:33.140 the you know the time and the thing that kept coming up in all well most of the people that were praying 00:38:33.140 --> 00:38:40.020 was that this is the time that the church will shine the brightest this is the time that the gospel 00:38:40.020 --> 00:38:47.140 message will shine the brightest is in times of adversity and this is a time of adversity and it's 00:38:47.140 --> 00:38:53.700 up to the you know you go through history and you see the church trying different things at different 00:38:53.700 --> 00:38:59.780 points in history some of them succeeding some of them failing this one has already been tried 00:38:59.780 --> 00:39:04.660 sort of the online frontier has already been tried we've already gotten past the bleeding edge we already 00:39:04.660 --> 00:39:10.420 know how to group people together we already know how to stream there are free utilities out there to 00:39:10.420 --> 00:39:15.380 stream and to group and to gather and to do all these other things we need to get work and we're 00:39:15.380 --> 00:39:21.860 stepping into very rapidly the 2.0 phase of online church and for any pastor that's out there that is 00:39:21.860 --> 00:39:26.660 that is worried about how i don't know how how my people are gonna how my people are gonna uh respond 00:39:26.660 --> 00:39:32.820 and take it and do all that the worst thing you can do is in a time like this for the next three 00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:38.900 to five weeks the worst thing you can do is not give a shot because you're going to you know 00:39:39.860 --> 00:39:44.260 the the worst thing that happens at that point is okay you go back to what you used to do you go back 00:39:44.260 --> 00:39:50.900 to your normal physical gatherings and that's the way you minister to your people but you know you never 00:39:50.900 --> 00:39:56.580 know you might find something that that really sparks a light in your community that really starts to 00:39:56.580 --> 00:40:01.140 connect more and more people together and through that connection to the gospel 00:40:02.820 --> 00:40:08.980 yeah i heard a story yesterday of a pastor who uh did facebook live for the first time and his 00:40:08.980 --> 00:40:15.220 daughter actually held the phone in the front pew and you know pointed it at him and uh and that's 00:40:15.220 --> 00:40:19.300 the other thing i'm encouraged to you you know you don't have to reinvent the wheel on this you know 00:40:19.300 --> 00:40:24.900 don't feel like you have to instantly become an expert on this uh kids i mean on let's just face it 00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:30.420 they they've been operating devices since they were born you know and so find a student you know this 00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:36.420 is a great time to really i think elevate some volunteers in your in your churches you know to 00:40:36.420 --> 00:40:41.780 a place where you know may i don't i don't know how to do this facebook thing but you know i can find 00:40:41.780 --> 00:40:46.820 a kid or even a young adult that that is native to this technology that might even think of an idea 00:40:46.820 --> 00:40:52.020 you'd never thought of before and is willing to come in and give that time why because there's value 00:40:52.020 --> 00:40:58.420 placed in that moment like man i can give to my church i because i know this uh it just gets me 00:40:58.420 --> 00:41:03.380 excited being a former student pastor of you know exciting kids to volunteer and to use that gift that 00:41:03.380 --> 00:41:07.940 they have because they've been doing you know snapchat hangouts they've been doing all these things for 00:41:07.940 --> 00:41:14.740 for you know the better part of two to three years so now you know it's connecting their digital gift 00:41:15.380 --> 00:41:19.460 with the church in a new and radical way and so all that pastor really has to do 00:41:20.100 --> 00:41:25.620 is content and they're great at content you know this is what they've been called to do is to create 00:41:25.620 --> 00:41:32.340 content now help give somebody else the opportunity to curate that content for you in a way that you 00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:36.660 know they can upload it to youtube you can they could create a youtube channel for your church it 00:41:36.660 --> 00:41:40.740 doesn't take much but if you don't know how to do it you're going to struggle with it but that kid's 00:41:40.740 --> 00:41:44.580 going to come along and say man i've already had a youtube channel i've only put two things up there 00:41:44.580 --> 00:41:48.500 but let me do this for our church this would be awesome you're going to use youtube whoa 00:41:50.500 --> 00:41:55.540 that's so good and i'm so glad you guys said that and for any of you who are out there that this was 00:41:55.540 --> 00:41:59.940 your first sunday streaming or maybe your second third but you just feel super nervous because you're 00:41:59.940 --> 00:42:03.940 like well it's not at the standard that i thought it would be you know what andy and mark are sharing 00:42:03.940 --> 00:42:07.940 with you it's gold because we just want to let you know that your folks are going to care about 00:42:07.940 --> 00:42:12.340 the fact that you're trying they want they want to know your heart and they want to know that you're 00:42:12.340 --> 00:42:17.300 with them through this situation they're just scared and they need to hear their pastor's voice they need 00:42:17.300 --> 00:42:23.300 to hear the source of hope and you're doing that and so continue to do so guys great thoughts 00:42:23.300 --> 00:42:28.500 thank you so much for your time uh let's wrap things up andy anything you want to add to land the plane 00:42:29.300 --> 00:42:37.380 man i i'm i'm really excited about these next weeks and coming months i really do think uh i didn't 00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:44.580 remove the whole online church i really think this is a time for the church global to really step up to 00:42:44.580 --> 00:42:52.500 minister to bring hope to bring light to bring peace and i am so uh thrilled that guys like us 00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:57.460 and people all over the world listening to this are going to get the chance to really lean into what 00:42:57.460 --> 00:43:03.700 god is doing that's good mark you got anything you want to add yeah i would say go and do some 00:43:03.700 --> 00:43:08.580 learning yourself to uh benchmark off of other folks yesterday while i was actually on stage at 00:43:08.580 --> 00:43:13.780 our table hosting i had andy's church uh online experience up and i was watching that and commenting 00:43:13.780 --> 00:43:17.940 in their space because that was a lot of fun and just seeing what they do um we're doing a lot of 00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:22.340 that this week you it'd be easy to think oh man you know we're a big church we've got this figured out 00:43:22.340 --> 00:43:27.540 no we're still learning from everybody else as well so go in and watch other churches that are doing 00:43:27.540 --> 00:43:33.380 this even even at a small scale and bring it back we have a phrase at our church we call 00:43:33.380 --> 00:43:38.180 hopeifying you know our church is hope so we hopeify something and put it into our context 00:43:38.580 --> 00:43:43.860 just because somebody's doing something on a big scale with five cameras and hd and all that 00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:49.220 you could look at that and say man well we can't do that but just learn from like how are they engaging 00:43:49.220 --> 00:43:53.700 that camera because i think uh like for example if you're a pastor and you're doing this for the 00:43:53.700 --> 00:43:59.540 first time the worst thing you could do is to be still looking around your space nobody's there 00:44:00.420 --> 00:44:05.780 oh let's talk to these folks because that's what we do you know think of that camera like a person 00:44:05.780 --> 00:44:11.060 and put a name to that person that is that's margie and she's sitting at home with her husband and they 00:44:11.060 --> 00:44:16.260 are not able to be here i'm talking to her and and that's that's where that connection can become 00:44:16.260 --> 00:44:21.620 authentic when you when you engage with this in a way that says i know we can't be together in person 00:44:21.620 --> 00:44:27.060 but when we can again because there is another side to this time we're going through when we can 00:44:27.060 --> 00:44:33.140 again how beautiful that's going to be that's real good guys thank you so much for your time and this 00:44:33.140 --> 00:44:38.660 has been a great time and listen for those of you listening out there don't just create the content 00:44:38.660 --> 00:44:44.740 encourage community to meet together whether it's in person or online listen digital spaces are going 00:44:44.740 --> 00:44:51.220 to mean a whole lot right now we don't have to over complicate the process all we've got to do is keep it 00:44:51.220 --> 00:44:57.700 simple stupid just kiss right just keep it simple and let's just relax and let's get through this 00:44:57.700 --> 00:45:01.940 together these next few weeks are going to be an incredible time in the church's history and i 00:45:01.940 --> 00:45:08.500 promise you church pastor a lot of people who would never step through your doors are going to listen 00:45:08.500 --> 00:45:13.380 to your message and come to know jesus and get discipled as a result of this so this is going to be a 00:45:13.380 --> 00:45:18.820 great time for you guys thanks so much for your time together for jeff who couldn't be here for me 00:45:18.820 --> 00:45:24.420 for andy for mark this is the church digital hope you all have a great day