WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.900 All right, you got episode 55 of the Church Digital Podcast, powered by Stadia Church 00:00:05.900 --> 00:00:06.460 Planting. 00:00:06.640 --> 00:00:11.160 I have loved working alongside Stadia Church Planting in the midst of this coronavirus 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:17.260 season, helping churches out there figure out how to conquer this idea of church online. 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:24.660 By the way, this past weekend, Sunday, March 22nd, was the day, in fact, that the church 00:00:24.660 --> 00:00:25.540 broke the internet. 00:00:25.780 --> 00:00:27.540 It's a far fascinating conversation. 00:00:28.220 --> 00:00:30.500 Typically, you know, you would think the internet would break the church. 00:00:30.620 --> 00:00:35.520 No, I'm pretty sure between issues with church online platform and Facebook having issues 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:38.300 with all the Facebook living that was happening. 00:00:38.300 --> 00:00:44.680 In fact, the church did break the internet on Sunday, March 22nd, and hopefully the internet 00:00:44.680 --> 00:00:49.800 is going to shore up and be able to handle the next wave on the 29th. 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:56.240 Well, we've got a really interesting topic because we're not done with the Stadia side. 00:00:56.300 --> 00:01:00.580 Actually, this is going to be a deep dive in Stadia because there's one thing that Stadia 00:01:00.580 --> 00:01:01.200 does. 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:06.640 Actually, there's a lot of things that Stadia does phenomenally well, and that's a later 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:07.740 conversation in itself. 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:14.060 But the thing that we wanted to hone in here on the podcast is this idea of virtual officing. 00:01:14.600 --> 00:01:22.660 Because if you're like me, I left the church office on Monday afternoon after a series of meetings, 00:01:22.660 --> 00:01:25.620 and then I put myself in lockdown. 00:01:25.940 --> 00:01:30.880 Now, where I am in Miami, like we don't have a government mandated lockdown like necessarily 00:01:30.880 --> 00:01:35.240 is happening in California or maybe somewhere out in the Pacific Northwest, at least at this 00:01:35.240 --> 00:01:36.640 point, at the point of this recording. 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.860 But I can tell you that chances are it's coming. 00:01:41.580 --> 00:01:44.740 And as a result of that, hey, church, maybe we need to get ready. 00:01:44.900 --> 00:01:46.940 Maybe we need to figure out what it looks like. 00:01:47.260 --> 00:01:48.600 How do we manage? 00:01:49.060 --> 00:01:50.460 How do we empower? 00:01:51.300 --> 00:01:56.480 What is even like volunteer management look like in this day and age? 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.140 What does even virtual officing look like? 00:01:59.260 --> 00:02:02.660 How do you lead an employee when you're not in the same space? 00:02:03.100 --> 00:02:06.160 This is one thing that Stadia does phenomenally well. 00:02:06.240 --> 00:02:10.480 And just even in the couple months that I've been here, I'll be honest, my boss's name's 00:02:10.480 --> 00:02:15.260 Craig, and I'm in Miami, and he's in like Los Angeles, SoCal area. 00:02:15.260 --> 00:02:17.640 So we're what, three time zones away? 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.840 And involvement with me is awesome, is phenomenal. 00:02:22.020 --> 00:02:26.700 And so somehow Stadia has figured out this formula for what it means. 00:02:26.820 --> 00:02:31.900 How do we lead people, even though we're not breathing the same air molecules? 00:02:32.880 --> 00:02:36.500 And so to that end, I brought in a couple Stadia people into the conversation. 00:02:36.500 --> 00:02:42.320 We're bringing in Janie Mahaffey, as well as Heidi Tandy, to have a conversation to help 00:02:42.320 --> 00:02:49.100 us understand, okay, church, as we're going into lockdown, as we're, you know, really examining 00:02:49.100 --> 00:02:53.860 what this social distancing is, what does it actually mean? 00:02:53.980 --> 00:02:56.100 How can we lead people? 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:58.780 How can we lead staff virtually? 00:02:59.340 --> 00:03:00.680 Some great conversations here. 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:05.960 And I hope that this will help you in the season of coronavirus, and even maybe give you some 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:07.600 ideas beyond. 00:03:08.060 --> 00:03:08.600 Hey, everybody. 00:03:08.860 --> 00:03:09.280 Here you go. 00:03:09.460 --> 00:03:09.740 Yeah. 00:03:10.040 --> 00:03:11.800 So I'm Janie Mahaffey. 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:15.480 And I've had the honor of serving with Stadia for 10 years now. 00:03:15.640 --> 00:03:16.780 It'll be 10 years in May. 00:03:17.200 --> 00:03:24.780 And I'm just honestly honored that God allows Stadia to serve the big C church by starting 00:03:24.780 --> 00:03:26.160 lots of local churches. 00:03:26.740 --> 00:03:31.480 Stadia's passion is to have a world where every single child has access to a local church and 00:03:31.480 --> 00:03:34.920 through the love of Jesus, to the love of Jesus through the local church. 00:03:34.920 --> 00:03:43.440 And so Stadia gets the honor of coming alongside a lot of existing churches and passionate leaders 00:03:43.440 --> 00:03:48.320 to multiply in all kinds of ways across the U.S. and around the world. 00:03:48.320 --> 00:03:54.320 The thing that I love about Stadia, and we'll get to Heidi in a second, but Stadia is 100% 00:03:54.320 --> 00:03:56.000 virtual company. 00:03:56.380 --> 00:03:57.660 Like, I'm sitting down here. 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:02.420 I've worked with Stadia probably two months, so I'm still kind of the newbie on board. 00:04:02.920 --> 00:04:05.920 They've hired other people since me, but I still feel like I don't know what's going 00:04:05.920 --> 00:04:06.220 on. 00:04:06.320 --> 00:04:09.820 And coronavirus through a blender and everything everywhere, of course. 00:04:10.820 --> 00:04:17.180 But with Stadia, I think the closest employee to me is maybe four or five hours away. 00:04:18.220 --> 00:04:24.840 Yeah, we have 57 employees in 24 different states, I think is what we're distributed to. 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:27.860 Yeah, my boss is actually in California. 00:04:28.140 --> 00:04:30.180 He's in SoCal in L.A. 00:04:30.260 --> 00:04:34.660 And so it's like I have to mentally figure out the time zones because sometimes I blow them 00:04:34.660 --> 00:04:38.420 up on text at like 8 in the morning my time because I'm in the office. 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:44.200 And that's 5 a.m. his time, which is really unfortunate because he's in a grumpy mood at 00:04:44.200 --> 00:04:44.940 around 5 a.m. 00:04:44.940 --> 00:04:46.580 He hasn't gotten that coffee kick. 00:04:46.660 --> 00:04:49.840 I think he's learned the art of do not disturb, so I think you're good. 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:55.460 And Heidi, you're with Stadia as well, so kind of like what's your role with Stadia? 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:02.500 Yeah, so I have been on the Stadia team for a little over two years, and I get to serve 00:05:02.500 --> 00:05:10.040 on the planner development team working with Bloom, which is our ministry for women in church 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:10.420 planting. 00:05:10.420 --> 00:05:17.060 And so I just get to help champion church planting opportunities for women, both next generation 00:05:17.060 --> 00:05:24.160 leaders in the church and women who are launched, pre-launch, and have been in church plants for 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:24.680 years. 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:32.660 And so we do some unique things trying to connect to women virtually, both in the Stadia team 00:05:32.660 --> 00:05:38.280 and through our Bloom community of church planting women, and I'm excited to get to talk about 00:05:38.280 --> 00:05:39.260 some of those things today. 00:05:40.420 --> 00:05:41.540 That's awesome. 00:05:42.100 --> 00:05:49.100 So the heart of this episode is how to create community virtually, what it is to create community 00:05:49.100 --> 00:05:54.100 online, and sometimes that looks like online small groups or Bible studies and things like 00:05:54.100 --> 00:05:54.380 that. 00:05:54.580 --> 00:06:01.760 Or maybe it's even within the office place, what it is to create this community within the 00:06:01.760 --> 00:06:03.260 virtual office space. 00:06:03.820 --> 00:06:08.000 You know, I can tell you, the church that I'm working with down here in Miami, it's called 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:14.620 Christ Journey, our office buildings are still open, there are still employees that are going 00:06:14.620 --> 00:06:15.340 into the office. 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:19.900 I can honestly tell you, I haven't set foot in the building since the last meeting Monday, 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:25.560 at which point I said, I'm not coming back during the office week, because I was opting 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:27.480 to go 100% virtual. 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:35.140 And so utilizing Zoom and conversations, they use Basecamp for project management. 00:06:35.460 --> 00:06:41.820 So they, you know, a lot of that main communication with the leaders and teams and staff is already 00:06:41.820 --> 00:06:45.620 a lot of in this digital platform where they're engaging some of that. 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:48.880 So they actually had probably an easier time than some. 00:06:49.200 --> 00:06:54.260 As restrictions get tighter and tighter, you know, I'm hearing reports in California that 00:06:54.260 --> 00:06:58.000 it's now a $1,000 fine if you're found outside your house. 00:06:58.840 --> 00:07:05.640 And as that sweeps across the West Coast to the East Coast, as coronavirus standards have 00:07:05.640 --> 00:07:11.420 been moving from the West Coast to the East Coast, it's, it's not, I'm not speaking out 00:07:11.420 --> 00:07:15.400 of turn to say I'm expecting some of this stuff to come over and impact the rest of the country, 00:07:15.400 --> 00:07:18.080 not just in the California on the West Coast area. 00:07:18.660 --> 00:07:25.380 So as a church, we need to prepare for what it actually looks like to virtual office, to 00:07:25.380 --> 00:07:30.440 be able to keep our staff on mission, to be able to keep our people on mission, even during 00:07:30.440 --> 00:07:32.180 the season of coronavirus time. 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:36.380 And that's really the heart of what I wanted to hone in here with, with Janie and Heidi, 00:07:36.700 --> 00:07:42.140 because somehow they figured out how to do this already as we've got 57 employees in 24 00:07:42.140 --> 00:07:46.800 states who are fully functioning and able to operate 100% virtually. 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:52.120 So I'm hoping tips and tricks, insider things, you know, some of the things will, will come 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:52.380 up. 00:07:53.100 --> 00:07:58.480 But, you know, and Janie, you know, specifically with her role, and I love this, she's, I don't 00:07:58.480 --> 00:07:59.920 know if this is like your title. 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:05.480 I don't even know if this is in your job description, but two months in, like you're the person who 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:11.260 kind of is the rah-rah huddling and keeping everybody together. 00:08:11.620 --> 00:08:13.920 The, hey, this is an awesome thing over here. 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:15.620 This is an awesome, great thing over here. 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:17.380 You really need to talk to this person. 00:08:17.380 --> 00:08:20.480 Like you're the trap, you're the virtual traffic cop. 00:08:20.640 --> 00:08:27.620 That's like keeping this organization running and you're using tools like, uh, like, like 00:08:27.620 --> 00:08:34.040 your phone and zoom in Facebook workplaces and some things to really like help keep the 00:08:34.040 --> 00:08:37.140 organizational aware of what it's doing itself. 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:43.540 But also being that love and support and community, even though I'm five hours away from the closest 00:08:43.540 --> 00:08:46.880 employee who I don't even work with on a close basis. 00:08:46.880 --> 00:08:51.920 So like, tell me a little bit, Janie, just from you, like your perspective, what is, what 00:08:51.920 --> 00:08:52.800 does that look like? 00:08:52.860 --> 00:08:54.560 How do you, how do you do that? 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:56.620 Was it hard to get there? 00:08:56.660 --> 00:08:57.740 Like, tell me that story. 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:03.860 Yeah, I love that Stadia has been already, um, heading in this direction for a really long 00:09:03.860 --> 00:09:04.380 time. 00:09:04.380 --> 00:09:08.280 And as a result, we're able to steward a lot of the things that we've learned about virtual 00:09:08.280 --> 00:09:09.820 teams and virtual communities. 00:09:09.820 --> 00:09:15.640 Um, to so many people are hungry for it right now because, uh, we've been, um, serving as 00:09:15.640 --> 00:09:19.880 a virtual organization for a long time and people are having to figure it out in two weeks, 00:09:19.880 --> 00:09:23.720 which is pretty daunting in, on top of everything else that's going on. 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:28.160 But, um, I, I prefer air traffic controller to traffic. 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:28.580 Okay. 00:09:28.700 --> 00:09:35.020 Um, but the idea is that, um, every church knows that culture is super important right 00:09:35.020 --> 00:09:35.300 now. 00:09:35.300 --> 00:09:39.340 And that's, um, whether you're physically in the same room or not. 00:09:39.340 --> 00:09:44.740 And all the more, when you were spread out across the country, um, connecting people, 00:09:44.880 --> 00:09:49.580 helping them feel engaged to the mission, engaged to their work, that they're collaborating 00:09:49.580 --> 00:09:51.500 and feeling connected to one another. 00:09:51.500 --> 00:09:52.920 So we're on mission together. 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:57.200 It's super important to be intentional about it when you're in virtual spaces. 00:09:57.780 --> 00:10:03.880 And so, um, it always surprises me, you know, all of, uh, Stadia's work when we're working 00:10:03.880 --> 00:10:06.440 together with our team, it's done in video environments. 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:12.100 So everybody's learning the amazing things that formats like zoom bring to, uh, collaborative 00:10:12.100 --> 00:10:13.480 work environments virtually. 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:19.280 And we have relied so much on zoom, you know, um, the overhead of Stadia has been low because 00:10:19.280 --> 00:10:25.060 we don't have physical offices to pay for our, our expenses have been in paying for high, 00:10:25.060 --> 00:10:30.360 uh, levels of zoom so that we can collaborate in this kind of video environment. 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:38.660 Doing, uh, work in a video format always surprises me of how much we can build connection and we 00:10:38.660 --> 00:10:41.140 can collaborate in this type of setting. 00:10:41.140 --> 00:10:46.920 Like I think about the fact that I have been in rooms where we have brainstormed, where we've 00:10:46.920 --> 00:10:52.800 problem solved, where we have, um, worked through intense details of a project. 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:55.980 Um, I have prayed with team members. 00:10:55.980 --> 00:10:59.060 I have coached team members, been coached by team members. 00:10:59.060 --> 00:11:05.060 I have fought or as, uh, Brene Brown would say rumbled with team members over video. 00:11:05.060 --> 00:11:09.220 And, um, honestly, I've apologized to people over video. 00:11:09.220 --> 00:11:15.520 And so it always amazes me that you can accomplish, um, so much in this kind of setting. 00:11:15.520 --> 00:11:19.760 And then it really makes me laugh that when we do get the honor of being on the, on the ground 00:11:19.760 --> 00:11:24.240 with our teammates and meet them physically, sometimes I forget that I have never seen the 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:29.580 bottom half of someone's body because I have only known them in the virtual sense and only 00:11:29.580 --> 00:11:31.040 known them from the waist up. 00:11:31.040 --> 00:11:34.860 So it's kind of funny when I meet in person because we've connected so much that I feel 00:11:34.860 --> 00:11:38.460 like, no, I know people, but I don't really know them in person. 00:11:38.460 --> 00:11:42.820 Uh, even for, for myself and coming on board and meeting, meeting some of these people is 00:11:42.820 --> 00:11:47.140 to be like exponential conference and things that people come up and like, Hey, I know you. 00:11:47.140 --> 00:11:48.900 And it's like, Oh, well, let me, give me a second. 00:11:48.900 --> 00:11:50.300 Like coming up with the name, let me figure it. 00:11:50.300 --> 00:11:55.640 But it's, there's a lot of, um, there's a lot of excitement when you do meet in, in, 00:11:55.640 --> 00:11:59.200 in the physical environment, even though it's not necessarily all the time. 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:05.120 And as a church, I, I can, I can feel some of that, that tension because we're not, we're 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:12.940 not meeting physically and even it's like interacting in physical, um, you know, oftentimes feels 00:12:12.940 --> 00:12:15.720 distant, uh, technology itself. 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.240 And I've done this talk and we've talked a lot of it before. 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.860 Actually just recently, we were on a Daniel M podcast. 00:12:20.860 --> 00:12:28.260 We've talked about this a lot where, where technology is cold and through, um, in situations 00:12:28.260 --> 00:12:33.900 where you utilize technology, where there's high technology, oftentimes there has to be 00:12:33.900 --> 00:12:39.820 an intentional high level of touch, a high level of personalization of, of friendliness 00:12:39.820 --> 00:12:44.620 of, of, of engagement to kind of overcome the coldness of it. 00:12:45.300 --> 00:12:50.800 So like with, and you guys at Stadia, you're so good at this where you're, you're able to, 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:54.140 to rally the folks with excitement and show some of that. 00:12:54.220 --> 00:12:59.980 And so like, maybe, maybe just some, some thoughts around for, for both of you guys, how, how do you 00:12:59.980 --> 00:13:00.900 create that? 00:13:01.100 --> 00:13:02.720 Because it's so good. 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:05.340 I would say it starts with, um, our leadership. 00:13:05.340 --> 00:13:09.840 Um, our leadership, I think, um, you know, Greg, our president, for example, is really good 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:11.960 at just, um, being vulnerable. 00:13:12.040 --> 00:13:17.180 He's very candid with our staff of calling, um, where we need to be intentional and what's 00:13:17.180 --> 00:13:17.640 awkward. 00:13:18.040 --> 00:13:25.740 Um, he is super, um, focused on our values of relationship and celebration, um, of impact 00:13:25.740 --> 00:13:30.300 and urgency and all of that being so that every child can have a church. 00:13:30.300 --> 00:13:37.400 So he is constantly reminding our team of our values and what our role is in making sure 00:13:37.400 --> 00:13:42.760 that we're working toward those values and, um, making sure that the conversations we're 00:13:42.760 --> 00:13:44.840 having keep focused on that. 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.960 So that I'd say, you know, starts with leadership. 00:13:48.220 --> 00:13:55.640 I think right now it's really important that, um, leaders are realizing that, um, there also 00:13:55.640 --> 00:13:57.840 needs to be a lot of grace in these environments. 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:01.500 So, um, we need to convene people on video. 00:14:01.500 --> 00:14:02.820 We need to get the work done. 00:14:02.820 --> 00:14:12.020 We've got to figure out how to navigate, um, the, the technology and the dynamic of having 00:14:12.020 --> 00:14:15.340 all these people in your home office while still getting the work done. 00:14:15.680 --> 00:14:20.640 So, yeah, I have a friend who said she was on conference calls from nine to four the other 00:14:20.640 --> 00:14:22.480 day on video conference calls. 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.780 And I thought, wow, that's great that your team is leaning into this, but holy cow, that's 00:14:26.780 --> 00:14:27.580 not realistic. 00:14:27.880 --> 00:14:33.040 Like you wouldn't be holding up your team in a conference room at your physical office. 00:14:33.040 --> 00:14:37.160 You would be balancing those meetings with going back and getting work done and taking 00:14:37.160 --> 00:14:40.240 a lunch break and having some breathers in there. 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:43.240 So I think I know that it's an intense season. 00:14:43.400 --> 00:14:47.940 There's tons we've got to do right now to prepare our churches and to figure out what all this 00:14:47.940 --> 00:14:49.880 means, but we need to be realistic. 00:14:49.880 --> 00:14:54.520 And I, that's what I appreciate about our, our leadership that we're talking about, you 00:14:54.520 --> 00:14:56.020 know, we know virtual work. 00:14:56.020 --> 00:14:58.660 And so we're used to this kind of environment. 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:03.500 Um, but we're not used to having all these people home and all up in our faces, our kids 00:15:03.500 --> 00:15:04.860 home and spouses. 00:15:05.040 --> 00:15:09.560 And so, uh, Greg, even the other day, he said, you know what, let's do the work. 00:15:09.580 --> 00:15:10.340 Let's get it done. 00:15:10.340 --> 00:15:15.260 But savor this time, go in and spend time with your kids, take a walk with your family, 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:17.760 make sure your physical health is staying strong. 00:15:17.820 --> 00:15:21.080 Make sure your soul health, your spiritual health is strong. 00:15:21.580 --> 00:15:25.760 And so I think leaders need to lean into the resources and try to figure out how do we 00:15:25.760 --> 00:15:27.460 convene our teams and work together. 00:15:27.880 --> 00:15:32.100 But this is also an important time to give ourselves grace and our teams a little extra 00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:33.760 dose of grace in the chaos. 00:15:34.580 --> 00:15:34.740 Yeah. 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:41.740 It benefits us in the longterm in that if we can have some grace with ourselves to navigate 00:15:41.740 --> 00:15:47.760 this process in the beginning and kind of find our rhythm in weeks one, two, and three, 00:15:47.820 --> 00:15:55.280 then our productivity will probably increase as we, as we go on, if this ends up being longer 00:15:55.280 --> 00:15:56.180 than anticipated. 00:15:56.180 --> 00:16:03.520 And so I think everybody wins if we take the time to figure out a rhythm here at the beginning, 00:16:03.520 --> 00:16:08.860 instead of trying to be so ambitious to figure everything out in week one. 00:16:09.920 --> 00:16:12.380 That, that's a, that's a great observation. 00:16:12.520 --> 00:16:13.320 Let me ask this question. 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:14.460 Cause you just opened the door. 00:16:15.060 --> 00:16:17.660 Um, Heidi, like tell me your rhythm. 00:16:17.660 --> 00:16:21.440 What, what is, so you've, you've got, uh, so you're married. 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:25.920 How many kids, like, what does life look for you work look like for you? 00:16:25.920 --> 00:16:28.960 And in this coronavirus season, how do you balance that? 00:16:29.380 --> 00:16:29.820 Yeah. 00:16:29.820 --> 00:16:36.360 So, um, I have a five-year-old daughter named Clara, seven-year-old son named Isaac, kindergarten 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.560 and second grade. 00:16:38.560 --> 00:16:45.460 Uh, my husband and I also planted movement church in Newport, Kentucky in March of 2014. 00:16:45.460 --> 00:16:53.640 So we have this one part of our world that is, we're doing digital church, church online and 00:16:53.640 --> 00:16:58.320 figuring that out with our teams and serving our community and reaching out to our neighbors 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:02.000 and, uh, spreading the love of Jesus even through this crisis. 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:08.700 But then we're also navigating two kids that are on a pretty specific rhythm, particularly 00:17:08.700 --> 00:17:17.120 my seven-year-old, um, at school and how can we give them clear expectations each day. 00:17:17.120 --> 00:17:27.420 And so rhythm wise, um, I just gave my, my supervisor a realistic, like number of hours that I would 00:17:27.420 --> 00:17:34.840 be available during this first week and let him know that I will do a lot of kind of, uh, 00:17:35.020 --> 00:17:38.240 of my thinking work on the fringe hours. 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:40.640 So those fringe hours, five to 7 AM. 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:46.760 And then after bedtime, if I have lots of high thinking work, those are those windows that 00:17:46.760 --> 00:17:48.060 I'll have to be working in. 00:17:48.460 --> 00:17:55.800 Um, and then in terms of meetings, I am ready to go in that sort of 10 to two window is where 00:17:55.800 --> 00:17:56.720 I'm shooting for. 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.700 And so that also lets us to have our morning routine at home with my kids. 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:07.180 Um, so from about seven to 10, we're doing our morning rhythms, getting a nice chunk of 00:18:07.180 --> 00:18:09.600 our non-traditional instruction work done. 00:18:09.600 --> 00:18:11.680 Not all of it, it's not going to be perfect. 00:18:12.340 --> 00:18:19.040 Um, and so, uh, but when, when my husband gets home, we can knock the rest of it out, but 00:18:19.040 --> 00:18:21.800 he, he is working at our building still. 00:18:21.800 --> 00:18:29.400 So we really do better when we're not all in the same place, um, than we put him down in 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:30.320 the basement office. 00:18:30.760 --> 00:18:38.600 Um, because we just know about ourselves that we are humans who feel anxiety and stress and 00:18:38.600 --> 00:18:40.100 don't love the unknown. 00:18:40.100 --> 00:18:46.080 And so the more we can, uh, help each other thrive and know kind of what pushes the other 00:18:46.080 --> 00:18:51.920 person's buttons, um, the more we can kind of honor those rhythms that you asked. 00:18:52.120 --> 00:18:54.800 Oh, that, that is so honest right there. 00:18:54.800 --> 00:19:00.560 Like I, and then I've, I am recording this podcast in my guest bedroom, which I've turned 00:19:00.560 --> 00:19:01.860 into a makeshift office. 00:19:01.860 --> 00:19:02.780 I'll just be honest. 00:19:02.780 --> 00:19:04.260 I don't, I don't have an office. 00:19:04.260 --> 00:19:08.840 I work at a virtual office and whatever church I happen to be, you know, like helping that 00:19:08.840 --> 00:19:13.800 day as I travel around often in Miami, I just kind of set up, well, I'm not traveling around. 00:19:13.800 --> 00:19:14.500 So I'm here. 00:19:15.040 --> 00:19:18.700 Um, my kids are out of school and they are virtual office. 00:19:18.700 --> 00:19:19.960 So my kids are here. 00:19:20.320 --> 00:19:26.380 My wife is a school teacher, uh, who is not teaching in a physical building anymore. 00:19:26.380 --> 00:19:32.660 She's figuring out how to do things through zoom, writing on a chalkboard, like as on an 00:19:32.660 --> 00:19:38.660 iPad with a, with an Apple pencil and uploading it to like Google, whatever Google classrooms 00:19:38.660 --> 00:19:39.400 platform is. 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:43.440 So like, we're all virtual office in this like nine to five era. 00:19:44.080 --> 00:19:46.040 And, um, and it was, was funny. 00:19:46.040 --> 00:19:49.860 I ran into this situation where normal, I do these podcasts all the time. 00:19:50.260 --> 00:19:52.820 You know, I tell the kids, I told my wife, Hey, I'm doing a recording. 00:19:52.820 --> 00:19:57.940 Like, just try not to let the dog like bark, you know, try to keep it quiet. 00:19:57.940 --> 00:20:00.920 So the conversation goes well and everybody seems to be okay. 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:01.600 It's, it's great. 00:20:01.600 --> 00:20:04.480 Cause it's like that one to two thing inadvertently. 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:09.640 I'm going to be honest, transparent because coronavirus church line, things were so crazy. 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:14.960 Like the whole house was like, we just need to be quiet for Jeff 24 seven. 00:20:15.260 --> 00:20:19.760 And so like, nobody was talking, nobody was doing anything because they were trying to be 00:20:19.760 --> 00:20:22.100 respectful to let me like work and do the things. 00:20:22.500 --> 00:20:25.820 But when I found this out, I was like, wait, guys, it's okay to make noise. 00:20:25.820 --> 00:20:26.780 I'm on a call. 00:20:26.780 --> 00:20:28.080 Like, it's not the end of the world. 00:20:28.340 --> 00:20:31.960 If somebody hears the dog bark, you're part of this house too. 00:20:32.320 --> 00:20:37.340 Like, don't, don't, you know, protect me so much that, that you're not a part of this. 00:20:37.340 --> 00:20:40.920 And it really started to become the boundaries of, okay, I'm okay. 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:43.340 If somebody's barking in a, okay. 00:20:43.340 --> 00:20:44.120 Maybe I'm not okay. 00:20:44.120 --> 00:20:46.720 If my daughter is barking in a call, but I'm okay. 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:52.500 If, if noise is happening in a, in a call, but at other times, maybe I need to, okay. 00:20:52.500 --> 00:20:54.840 Hey, let's protect this time instead. 00:20:54.840 --> 00:20:59.800 And so we've started to create some of those boundaries and learn to work together in the 00:20:59.800 --> 00:21:04.840 house that I think are at least week two, it made week one miserable, evidently, but week 00:21:04.840 --> 00:21:06.440 two seems to be better. 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:12.060 I love what you're saying about trying to figure out what that rhythm looks like, because that 00:21:12.060 --> 00:21:17.480 was something that I did not do well at all early on when I came on to virtual work. 00:21:17.600 --> 00:21:21.940 I came from a, a large church environment from Trader's Point, Indianapolis. 00:21:22.300 --> 00:21:26.680 And shifted to virtual world and took it way too casually at first. 00:21:26.740 --> 00:21:31.700 And I think all of us can learn really quickly from the mistakes of those of us who have done 00:21:31.700 --> 00:21:38.280 that, where I would kind of haphazardly approach my office and let work time bleed into home 00:21:38.280 --> 00:21:40.580 time and not have a dedicated space. 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:46.200 And after a while of not being fruitful and productive, I learned quickly that I needed to 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:47.220 get my act together. 00:21:47.500 --> 00:21:52.100 And so started a long time ago with some new rhythms that I think would be really good 00:21:52.100 --> 00:21:59.540 for people as they're trying to shift to this virtual space to take, to take in and intentionally 00:21:59.540 --> 00:22:00.480 put into action. 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:05.540 And I would say that's creating a space where you can work that's separate from the rest 00:22:05.540 --> 00:22:06.480 of your people. 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:11.060 I think there are times when I want my boys in here and I want them to hear the work I'm 00:22:11.060 --> 00:22:13.480 doing, but there's times when I've just got to be focused. 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:18.020 I love that our teammates, when my boys walk in, they'll say hi and have a quick chat. 00:22:18.020 --> 00:22:25.460 But my boys know when it's time to walk out because I got to get back to being on focus. 00:22:25.460 --> 00:22:27.720 Having set times is hugely important. 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:31.600 I have to get up super early before the rest of the world gets up to spend time with God 00:22:31.600 --> 00:22:33.900 before I can be kind to anybody else. 00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:38.340 But after that, getting to work is important. 00:22:38.340 --> 00:22:41.340 But then having a stop time at 4:35 o'clock. 00:22:41.340 --> 00:22:46.540 I got to start wrapping things up and end or else it just starts bleeding. 00:22:46.540 --> 00:22:50.720 And next thing I know it's eight o'clock and my family's had to figure out food for themselves 00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:54.280 and everything else because I've let too much work time. 00:22:54.280 --> 00:22:59.720 And that's especially hard right now because it does seem like there's so many urgent ministry 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:02.080 needs and those are important. 00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:06.020 But goodness, our homes and our kids are our most important mission field. 00:23:06.020 --> 00:23:10.260 And so we've got to set those boundaries for those of us who have families. 00:23:10.260 --> 00:23:14.140 And honestly, for those who are single, probably need to be even more tenacious about that because 00:23:14.140 --> 00:23:17.700 you don't have other people who are vying for your attention and other needs. 00:23:17.700 --> 00:23:23.080 So just really encourage you to set office hours and stick with those. 00:23:23.080 --> 00:23:24.540 Also getting ready. 00:23:24.540 --> 00:23:29.440 It's really important for me to get dressed all the way to shoes. 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:35.220 On the days when I stay in my pajamas or stay in my casual clothes too long, it just does 00:23:35.220 --> 00:23:38.580 not feel legit and I am not as productive. 00:23:38.580 --> 00:23:45.260 Now that said, the benefits of virtual world is I can wear yoga pants and so I can be all 00:23:45.260 --> 00:23:50.540 business from the waist up and ready for physical workout from the waist down. 00:23:50.540 --> 00:23:55.860 But it's really nice because when I have a break, I can get up and take a walk and go be physical 00:23:55.860 --> 00:23:59.500 and have that be a brain break and then come back and get to work. 00:23:59.500 --> 00:24:04.020 So there's lots of benefits with virtual work, but you have to be intentional that it doesn't 00:24:04.020 --> 00:24:09.460 become too interwoven or you're not going to, like Heidi said, we're not going to be productive 00:24:09.460 --> 00:24:14.920 if we're not given the tools to really set ourselves up for a win for the long haul. 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:20.200 Eating is also important, sometimes like my friend who was in video calls all day, sometimes 00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:24.320 you can get to where, oh gosh, I've got to eat and is it weird that I'm going to eat here 00:24:24.320 --> 00:24:25.320 in front of you? 00:24:25.320 --> 00:24:27.520 Well, I love hanging out with you guys. 00:24:27.520 --> 00:24:31.480 I would totally grab my lunch and have lunch with you here over Zoom. 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:35.580 It might be awkward at first, but we call the awkward and we move on. 00:24:35.580 --> 00:24:40.920 So just making sure you're being healthy and staying well rounded in the midst of all this 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:42.540 is really important for all of us. 00:24:42.540 --> 00:24:47.820 Yeah, so if you're going to eat in front of someone, maybe the mic while you're chewing 00:24:47.820 --> 00:24:50.100 chewing out of respect. 00:24:50.100 --> 00:24:51.100 Yeah. 00:24:51.100 --> 00:24:52.100 It's funny. 00:24:52.100 --> 00:24:59.340 I've been seeing people post the worst case Zoom things that are happening. 00:24:59.340 --> 00:25:04.100 Like somebody was in a Zoom meeting and the person's brushing their teeth in a Zoom meeting. 00:25:04.100 --> 00:25:05.100 Don't do that. 00:25:05.100 --> 00:25:09.380 No, like, you know, if you're not going to do it in real life, maybe don't do it in Zoom. 00:25:09.380 --> 00:25:10.960 Maybe there's a rule for that. 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:12.200 That is a good rule of thumb. 00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:17.880 And this is what I think Stadia does so well with the virtual officing context, that there's 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:21.100 this relational equity that happens virtually. 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:30.160 I mean, almost, and jobs, and I'm just even with my boss, the two that have been here, he's 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.340 speaking into my life and how I'm managing things. 00:25:33.340 --> 00:25:39.780 In previous jobs, to me, it would have taken longer for a person to get to the level that 00:25:39.780 --> 00:25:41.320 he is doing virtually. 00:25:42.040 --> 00:25:47.860 Now, coronavirus is a force magnifier, it explodes everything, so maybe that's part of it. 00:25:48.520 --> 00:25:54.760 But at the end of it, at least it's proof in concept that you can do things virtually that 00:25:54.760 --> 00:25:56.720 you probably could do physically as well. 00:25:57.220 --> 00:26:03.260 Janie, I wanted to ask you a question, because you oversee people through Stadia, so like you're 00:26:03.260 --> 00:26:09.320 responsible for leading and oversight of an employee who's in another time zone. 00:26:10.120 --> 00:26:17.220 And even being the online guy that I am, I wrestle with, I don't even know what that looks like. 00:26:17.280 --> 00:26:22.320 I have a hard time managing employees that are in the same room as me, and you're doing 00:26:22.320 --> 00:26:23.940 it when they're on the other side of the country. 00:26:24.600 --> 00:26:29.640 What are some things, how do you manage an employee in that relationship digitally? 00:26:29.900 --> 00:26:34.320 Yeah, I think some of the things you've already talked about of what Craig does of investing 00:26:34.320 --> 00:26:38.520 in you is a really important part that we're going to first value relationships and value 00:26:38.520 --> 00:26:38.960 people. 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:45.240 So let people know that they're important and we care about them and their spiritual life 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:49.740 and their souls before we start focusing on what did you accomplish today and the accountability 00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:51.620 that comes with work. 00:26:52.240 --> 00:27:00.780 One thing that we've found is really important is to make sure that we are keeping accessible 00:27:00.780 --> 00:27:04.820 to each other and involving the right people in the conversations. 00:27:04.820 --> 00:27:10.320 And so what that means, you know, for us, Zoom is so important. 00:27:10.320 --> 00:27:13.320 And one of my favorite features on Zoom is the green light. 00:27:13.320 --> 00:27:18.940 So we can look through, you know, I know there are different levels of Zoom, so you know, we'll 00:27:18.940 --> 00:27:23.740 lean on you, Jeff, with your technological smarts to make the recommendations of what churches 00:27:23.740 --> 00:27:25.880 should consider for their Zoom accounts. 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:27.780 But Stadia has a pretty robust one. 00:27:27.780 --> 00:27:34.780 And one feature that I love about it is that I can look at all of the contact lists on our team 00:27:34.780 --> 00:27:40.640 directory and see who is in a meeting, see who is offline, and see who has a green light. 00:27:41.040 --> 00:27:47.040 And to me, the green light is your office door is open and you're opening up, you're open and available 00:27:47.040 --> 00:27:48.040 for a drive-by. 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:53.420 And so in the same way that in my old Trader's Point days, I would walk down the hallway and 00:27:53.420 --> 00:27:57.820 see if somebody's door is open to stop by and say, hey, I've got an idea about something. 00:27:57.980 --> 00:27:58.920 I want to run by you. 00:27:59.020 --> 00:28:01.800 Or, hey, I'm just checking in to see how you're doing. 00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:04.420 I use that green light for that same thing. 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:06.560 And a lot of our managers do, too. 00:28:06.560 --> 00:28:11.880 In the same way, our managers keep their green light on so that they can be available and accessible 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:17.040 to their teams for a stop-by for brainstorming or just, hey, I'm really struggling. 00:28:17.260 --> 00:28:18.780 I just need to talk about this. 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:26.000 So from an organic standpoint, that being able to stay connected and just reaching out proactively 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:27.080 is really important. 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:32.140 Our managers know that reaching out proactively to their team is important in a virtual environment 00:28:32.140 --> 00:28:35.880 because sometimes there's a sense of, oh, I don't want to bother them. 00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:36.600 They're busy. 00:28:37.080 --> 00:28:40.780 You know, is this question really worthy of me setting up a Zoom meeting? 00:28:40.900 --> 00:28:43.320 You know, because that almost seems too big of a deal. 00:28:43.780 --> 00:28:49.060 But I would say that makes it all the more important for managers to proactively to reach 00:28:49.060 --> 00:28:49.800 out to their team. 00:28:49.800 --> 00:28:55.080 Not just video, to send texts, to make phone calls, to do whatever they can, especially in 00:28:55.080 --> 00:28:57.680 this time right now to just say, hey, what's going on? 00:28:57.720 --> 00:28:58.220 How you doing? 00:28:58.300 --> 00:29:00.380 Or do you just have something you want to run by me? 00:29:01.300 --> 00:29:08.380 So on the same or on the other end of things of being intentional is having a regular rhythm 00:29:08.380 --> 00:29:14.100 of meetings, having a one-on-one meeting with the people you work with, having team meetings. 00:29:14.660 --> 00:29:16.800 We have meetings for different purposes. 00:29:17.280 --> 00:29:22.600 So we have all stadium meetings where we come together and we talk about our vision and our 00:29:22.600 --> 00:29:24.820 values and celebrate what's going on. 00:29:25.320 --> 00:29:27.280 And then we have meetings. 00:29:27.380 --> 00:29:31.500 We had a meeting just yesterday where the whole team came together for prayer time together. 00:29:31.620 --> 00:29:35.240 And we had Jean Appel speaking to our lives, which was really incredible. 00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:39.080 And then we broke into small groups on Zoom and prayed together. 00:29:39.700 --> 00:29:42.540 And then we have just fun, personal development. 00:29:42.700 --> 00:29:50.140 We talk about fitness tips and tricks or how to get your kids engaged in your work or in 00:29:50.140 --> 00:29:51.000 each other's lives. 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.680 So there's types of meetings that you need to define. 00:29:54.900 --> 00:29:59.920 And when you get your teams together, you need to define what are we trying to accomplish 00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:05.200 and use a Zoom meeting in the same way that you would in an in-person meeting. 00:30:05.560 --> 00:30:11.120 One thing that we have to be really careful of that I think was one of the biggest ahas of a 00:30:11.120 --> 00:30:17.500 difference in virtual world from physical world from my perspective is making sure that you're 00:30:17.500 --> 00:30:20.400 involving the right people in conversations. 00:30:20.800 --> 00:30:26.340 It's really easy that Heidi and I can be talking and we can start working on something. 00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:32.740 The next thing you know, it's really something that should affect many people in planter development 00:30:32.740 --> 00:30:36.680 or marketing or our social media or events. 00:30:37.320 --> 00:30:42.620 And we may, just because we're already there in the middle of the conversation, 00:30:42.620 --> 00:30:48.260 we may not grab somebody and bring them into the conversation who needs to be because you're not 00:30:48.260 --> 00:30:51.980 in that physical environment and can see them in their office and say, hey, Jeff, come here. 00:30:52.040 --> 00:30:53.560 We need to talk to you about this. 00:30:53.980 --> 00:30:59.520 So it's very important that you're intentional to stop conversations and say, wait a minute, 00:30:59.520 --> 00:31:01.020 who needs to be a part of this? 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:05.560 And in video world, you can ring them up and bring them into the room in the same way you 00:31:05.560 --> 00:31:06.940 could in a physical environment. 00:31:08.120 --> 00:31:14.560 It's also important like in text chains and email chains, just you don't have that physical part where 00:31:14.560 --> 00:31:19.540 you're seeing people in a room and going, hey, I need to be in that meeting because I can see 00:31:19.540 --> 00:31:23.640 through that glass window that those people are talking and I need to be in that conversation. 00:31:23.980 --> 00:31:25.620 You don't have the benefit of that. 00:31:25.840 --> 00:31:31.340 So it puts the onus on those of us who are in the conversations to invite the right people in. 00:31:32.520 --> 00:31:33.940 Yeah, I love that. 00:31:34.020 --> 00:31:35.880 I've been in a couple of those. 00:31:36.020 --> 00:31:42.320 I'll be sitting at my desk working on something and a little like pop-up comes on the screen. 00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:47.940 So-and-so wants to talk to you or you're invited at Zoom, you know, and I click a button. 00:31:48.060 --> 00:31:52.440 All of a sudden, there's like eight people staring at me and it's like, oh, hey, okay, I'm walking 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:53.080 into this. 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:53.500 Great. 00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:55.540 What can I do for you? 00:31:55.620 --> 00:31:56.700 How can I serve? 00:31:56.860 --> 00:31:59.400 It even with Zoom, like it even hit my phone. 00:31:59.500 --> 00:32:06.040 I remember one day I was walking in a parking lot and I got one of those that pinged my phone. 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:11.080 And so, you know, I swiped on it to answer the Zoom call and ended up being one of these large 00:32:11.080 --> 00:32:11.420 things. 00:32:11.500 --> 00:32:14.600 It was like, hey, we really wanted like just to unpack something on you. 00:32:14.620 --> 00:32:19.940 You got a couple minutes and that's awesome because you have accessibility. 00:32:19.940 --> 00:32:26.200 And that's one of the things that I wanted to ask on because it feels to me, Stadia, even 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:32.160 the size that it is and the quantity of the, I mean, a thousand churches over 17 years, another 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:37.920 thousand churches planted in the next three years, hockey sticking from that point to much 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:44.040 more rapid growth, going to a lot, researching and developing a digital expression. 00:32:44.040 --> 00:32:45.480 You guys are very aggressive. 00:32:46.080 --> 00:32:53.820 And it feels to me that you turn on a dime probably more quickly than, than a normal or 00:32:53.820 --> 00:32:55.800 a physical organization would. 00:32:56.080 --> 00:33:01.760 I'm just wondering if you guys have noticed that because you're virtual instead of physical, 00:33:01.760 --> 00:33:06.660 if that makes you more malleable, if it's easier to shape, do you, do you feel that? 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:08.280 Is that something you've intentionally done? 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.020 Just kind of like, what's, what's the thoughts on some of that? 00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.640 Yeah, I think the virtual environment contributes a lot to that. 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.640 But we do have a stated value of urgency. 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:21.720 We know that there are over 7 billion people on the planet and we, we know how urgent it 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.240 is that we connect people to Jesus as soon as possible. 00:33:24.780 --> 00:33:30.740 We were talking the other day about how interesting it's going to be to see what people in, on church 00:33:30.740 --> 00:33:38.840 teams are not able to adapt to the virtual format and working in non-physical ways and which 00:33:38.840 --> 00:33:44.120 ones are going to accelerate super fast in those environments. 00:33:44.120 --> 00:33:48.680 And I guarantee that those are the people who are going to be the church planters of the future, 00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:59.400 because it takes scrappy, quick decision-making, full of energy, entrepreneurial type vision to act in 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:06.320 environments that are this quick changing and you've got to be learning fast and making quick decisions and being nimble. 00:34:06.660 --> 00:34:10.740 And the people that rise to the occasion here are going to be the ones that we're going to be 00:34:10.740 --> 00:34:13.840 looking at as saying, Hey, you guys need to be our next pioneers. 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.020 You need to be going out and starting new churches. 00:34:16.660 --> 00:34:23.360 I think it's absolutely incredible that God gave us to you, Jeff, at such a time as this, you are such 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:31.340 an Esther that I think we have been, Stadia has been positioned for virtual workplace, but we've also 00:34:31.340 --> 00:34:34.880 been talking and dabbling and exploring about digital church. 00:34:35.420 --> 00:34:40.940 And all of a sudden everybody has to go from, Oh, well, we might do this in the next two years to, 00:34:41.160 --> 00:34:48.340 Oh, we got to do this next week. And so, um, I think it's been amazing to see our team all of a sudden pivot and shift all 00:34:48.340 --> 00:34:55.240 our resources to saying, Okay, how do we start having conversations quickly about making sure we get our resources and our 00:34:55.240 --> 00:35:11.960 our knowledge and learning to as many people as possible. So convening all kinds of, uh, groups of church leaders to figure out what do they need to know fast so that they can, um, pivot and start leading in this new way has been exciting. 00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:19.260 And I feel like Stadia has brought us people and wiring to be able to do that really fast. I love that, um, you know, 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:31.520 we get to minister to ministers and I love that next week, Heidi's convening a group, um, that is going to serve, uh, church pastors and how they pastor and care for their families. 00:35:31.520 --> 00:35:44.700 Um, and the fact that we can serve both in how do our churches lead in their churches, but also how do we care for them and pastor them is pretty important in this crazy fast moving time to 00:35:44.700 --> 00:36:14.520 Being a pastor in the midst of the storm. I mean, it's, it's difficult. Um, I I've looked at pastors faces, uh, here locally in Miami, uh, or on zoom, which I'm on all the time. We're all exhausted. We're all concerned. We're all, we don't know what tomorrow is and, and not different than any person. Really. We, we, none of us know what tomorrow is. What is it like? Well, tell me, tell me about what this, this ministry opportunity is. How, how are you guys helping? 00:36:14.700 --> 00:36:20.080 How are we evidently through stadia? I didn't know about this. How are we helping, uh, pastors? 00:36:20.080 --> 00:36:43.980 Yeah. So I'm like 97, I'll say we are like 97% energized and about 3% scared out of our minds. Um, but the, the majority of it is energizing. Um, it has been really fun in the last week to say, all right, how can we take this challenge 00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:49.200 And use it as an opportunity for the Monday through Saturday church to be the church. 00:36:49.900 --> 00:37:12.980 And we have really gotten a chance to empower our leadership, to be reaching out to people, um, to making sure that their physical needs are cared for, to making sure that, um, the needs of our community for the, like the elementary school that our school partners with, um, to check in with them to make sure that they're doing okay. 00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:24.040 Um, and to help meet any needs that they have. So yesterday, um, we heard a need that there was a microwave that a family in the community did not have housing. 00:37:24.040 --> 00:37:34.960 They got some temporary housing, but the housing didn't have a kitchen, but all they wanted was a microwave. And so we were able, um, through our community's generosity to give this family microwave. 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:50.040 So those little things that's the 97% that's the fun part. Um, but yeah, all of this weighs on our hearts. Like we don't, we don't, um, we've never done this before. Right. I think that's the line that we keep saying. We've just never done this before. 00:37:50.400 --> 00:38:02.400 Uh, and we care so deeply for our people. Um, and for making sure that no one falls through the cracks. Um, making sure that we use technology in a way that is, um, accessible to people. Right. Like we are doing our face, our, our service on Facebook live, but then trying to figure out, you know, how do we make sure that people that don't have Facebook have 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:32.380 The platforms to be able to be able to access our services. And so what's it like? Um, it's like new things every hour on the hour. Um, but I'm so grateful, um, for Sadie's value of relationships because my husband was on a call yesterday with a bunch of friends and friends, but I'm so grateful for Stadia's value of relationships because my husband was on a call yesterday with a bunch of friends and friends. 00:38:32.400 --> 00:39:00.260 Pastors who were talking through what they were doing. I was on, uh, he was on the same, uh, another call about embracing generosity in this time. And then like Jamie said, we're going to be leading, um, several webinars in the upcoming days, but next week I'm leading a webinar on empowering families at home through the coronavirus outbreak. And so it's great if our churches are going well, but if their wheels are falling off at home, I could care less about what happens at my church. 00:39:00.680 --> 00:39:28.960 And so how can we empower families to not have some like standard of perfection? Like I feel like social media can sometimes be unhelpful in these times because we've got like 1000 things to do with your family during COVID-19 and 10 ways to make sure that your kids are geniuses when this is all over. I would care less about that. Um, how are we going to get through the day? What are some ways we can set up families, families for success? 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:44.800 So we've got two church planning families that are going to be on sharing just some of the things that their family does. They don't all have the answers, but they're going to be candid with us and tell us their stories. And I can't wait to hear from them next week, 11 Eastern on Wednesday. 00:39:45.520 --> 00:40:00.860 Awesome. So for more information, nice plug there. Uh, yeah, stadia church planning.org slash webinar, I think singular, maybe plural webinars. I'm pretty sure both will work. And if not, by the time the podcast publishes, we'll make sure they both work. 00:40:00.860 --> 00:40:28.440 That's right. Uh, but you, you can get more information on those, uh, the webinar there for that. And it'll be available, uh, live as well as I'm sure we'll make it available on demand. So good stuff there. And stadia is actually doing a lot of webinars right now. You know, the thing that I love about stadia is they're ahead of the curve. Uh, a lot of the stuff with church online and the broadcast and things. We were talking about that last week. Uh, everybody else is talking about it this week. And now stadia is aggressively. 00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:35.960 Answering other questions, uh, trying to stay ahead of the curve on this because, well, it just, I love the organization because it does that. 00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:44.380 A lot of people have been asking, um, us about, which I think is so funny is we seem like super geniuses because we know how to use zoom. 00:40:44.560 --> 00:40:56.140 I feel like I've become an expert in zoom just because I know how to use the breakout button because people are so interested in how do you break into small groups because I know how to use that button. I've become kind of an expert. 00:40:56.860 --> 00:41:15.960 Um, but I feel like there's things that we have, um, just learned over time that I am learning that is helpful for people to understand and how to use zoom and use it in a way, um, that creates a good communication and removes the barriers, some etiquette and tips and tools. 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:24.600 And Heidi is super good at sharing some of those. Could we like tap into her for a quick tips for our friends who are listening? 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:31.900 Let's call it best practices, uh, best practices for zoom. Ready? Go. What, what do you got? 00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:43.660 So best practices for zoom. Um, both the number one thing is communication, right? We, we cannot assume that this is easy for everyone. 00:41:43.660 --> 00:41:53.600 And so we have had virtual small groups this past week with our community in the same, we go through the same spiel every time at the beginning of our small groups. 00:41:53.600 --> 00:42:00.420 And I learned how to do this through the wisdom of Becky Murphy, who wrote us guidelines, um, to do this at stadia. 00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:19.980 And so we tell people how to mute themselves. Um, there's nothing more annoying. Let's be honest, when you're on a call and you hear someone's potato chip bag wrestling, or, um, maybe, maybe it's a dog in the background or something, but we can't assume that people know how to mute themselves. 00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:28.080 So we go through all the things like muting yourselves. I make a joke about in the top right-hand corner, there's three dots and that's how you change your name. 00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:34.920 Um, and then we make a joke about someone changes their name to something inappropriate. And then we have to deal with that. Right. So, um, 00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:46.520 just those little guidelines, we talk about wearing earbuds, if you're having trouble hearing, um, switching to gallery view versus speaker view, just a little bit of a 00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:56.580 kind of intro to zoom to, because you said it, Jeff, technology is cold. And for a lot of people that are hopping on for the first time, this can feel 00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:04.080 like a really big step. So we say at our church, it's a big step for you to step into somebody's living room for the first time in a small group environment. 00:43:04.680 --> 00:43:13.740 Let's think of it the same way. It is a big deal for someone who may not have experience with a digital small group or a zoom program environment to step in for the first time. 00:43:13.740 --> 00:43:21.000 So how can we break down the barriers to help people feel comfortable in that zoom environment? 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:22.920 What else, Janie? What, what else am I missing? 00:43:23.220 --> 00:43:34.200 You know, it's interesting. We've learned lately that the mute button is important when one person is speaking, um, unmuting is just as important in smaller group environments. 00:43:34.200 --> 00:43:40.080 Even if you don't have something to say when you have a small group of people by having the unmute button. 00:43:40.740 --> 00:43:54.700 By unmuting you are communicating they're engaged in the conversation. And so I would encourage facilitators to say, you know, now we're going to have some conversation time. Everybody unmute. So if you have something to say, you can quickly add to the conversation. 00:43:55.080 --> 00:44:09.320 Also decide in advance what you want to do with chat. Some people really like chat for everyone because you can, um, have sidebar conversations. Some people get distracted by that. So I recommend you decide at the beginning, whether you want to use chat or not. 00:44:09.660 --> 00:44:24.120 And then also for people who are presenting, um, talk to the people who are helping you, um, especially when you're presenting to a really large group, um, of how you want to be communicated to. So, um, in our all staff meetings, 00:44:24.120 --> 00:44:28.000 we have 57 people. So we have like four pages of the zoom screens. 00:44:28.300 --> 00:44:36.540 And a lot of times Greg will be being the presenter and I'll know that there are things that I need to help him think through or something to add to his conversation. 00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:49.380 And we've decided that using text for him is better than chat because he can have his phone and know that if I'm going to text him, it's something he needs to pay attention to for kind of a, a stage director tip as opposed to the chat. 00:44:49.380 --> 00:45:02.640 So, um, if you are a facilitator of zoom or a speaker, be thinking through what you need because it's a little different environment and you feel a little bit more on, especially if it's being recorded, you feel like it's going to go down in history. 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:10.960 Heidi, your team does a really good job of assigning roles to people. Um, you go to your learning communities and stuff. So talk through kind of the roles you assign. 00:45:11.460 --> 00:45:20.280 Yeah. So we always have a host for the zoom room. So if we're having a learning environment where there's a speaker, we will also have a separate host. 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:37.340 And so that person runs PowerPoint, that person facilitates the chat window. She also opens and closes. And there is nothing more frustrating that if you are in an hour long meeting and it's an hour, you're at an hour and 10 and no one will land the plane. 00:45:37.340 --> 00:45:58.960 Um, it is our host responsibility to land the plane. Um, we have to be able to value people's time and let them know, let them know when the end is. Um, one of my favorite things, both presenting in the classroom or on a virtual environment is you want to tell people what you're going to say. 00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:03.500 You want to tell them, and then you want to tell them what you told them, and then you want to land the plane. 00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:16.220 So it's zoom environments can be really, you have to be on your a game and press in presenting, or you will let sort of the, um, ambiguity run wild. 00:46:16.680 --> 00:46:24.680 And you really want to be clear with expectations and what you're doing in the virtual world, because you value your people and their time. 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:34.120 Two other things we've learned, um, when you're going really long for several days, you, um, need, or several hours, you need to have long breaks. 00:46:34.520 --> 00:46:38.720 Um, we are getting ready to do our assessment for the first time virtually. 00:46:38.720 --> 00:46:44.440 So it's going to be really cool to have three, four days of assessing new church planters next week. 00:46:44.740 --> 00:46:53.820 Um, but we know that we have to take much longer breaks in between because your limited space in virtual world, uh, requires your body to move a little bit more. 00:46:53.900 --> 00:47:08.880 And then we're really, um, diving more into fidgetal, P-H-Y-G-I-T-A-L, and trying to think what are the things that we can get into people's hands or that they can bring to the meeting, um, that have physical components that bring us all together. 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:24.760 So having communion together and worship services for our retreats, we actually send packages in advance so that people have physical components like a journal to write in or snacks or a coffee mug, or, uh, we'd like to do confetti for celebrating church plants. 00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:33.820 So thinking through what are physical things you can set up in advance so that it is, um, all the senses are involved in the experience together. 00:47:35.080 --> 00:47:37.860 Yeah, so I loved everything you just said. 00:47:37.980 --> 00:47:42.380 And I want to apologize for the dogs barking and the kids just ran down the hallway. 00:47:42.380 --> 00:47:43.260 It is reality. 00:47:43.720 --> 00:47:52.120 I saw both kids and they had a laundry basket on their head together, like cuddled up and just like walking down the halls and all the dogs barking. 00:47:52.780 --> 00:47:55.620 And so like, welcome to the new reality, right? 00:47:55.720 --> 00:48:00.280 This is everything that we just talked about literally happening here at the house during this recording. 00:48:00.640 --> 00:48:02.020 Hey, this is excellent. 00:48:02.260 --> 00:48:09.140 And, and, and I want to, cause you're talking about this fidgetal and you're talking about this three to four day retreat. 00:48:09.140 --> 00:48:13.840 This was actually scheduled to be in, in Asheville, North Carolina. 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.720 I mean, somewhere in North Carolina, Raleigh, I'm sorry, Raleigh, North Carolina. 00:48:18.240 --> 00:48:25.680 And like, I was supposed to go to this thing and now I'm not going to the thing and the meeting is entirely three to four days virtual. 00:48:26.160 --> 00:48:28.600 I know you guys have had track record with this. 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.820 And honestly, I've not even heard the entire story. 00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:39.340 I've heard bits and pieces of it, but centered around the, the, the staff gatherings where we used to do retreats together. 00:48:39.860 --> 00:48:43.520 And then we looked like at the cost of it and maybe it's better to do it virtual. 00:48:43.980 --> 00:48:47.860 So, you know, I would love for, for actually, you know, Heidi, I think you were out for some of that. 00:48:48.120 --> 00:48:55.800 I would love for both of you maybe to just tell some of that story of the decision to go to a virtual all staff meeting. 00:48:55.800 --> 00:49:03.680 And then like the learnings that came out of what a virtual multiple day all staff retreat looks like. 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:09.680 I love how emergencies create quick and creative thinking. 00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:15.140 And so last year, Stadia had made this crazy decision to give away all of our church planting services. 00:49:15.640 --> 00:49:19.100 And so that was amazing because we could serve a lot more churches. 00:49:19.560 --> 00:49:25.540 But in that we had to do some quick shifting of some financial resources so that that could take place. 00:49:25.940 --> 00:49:38.780 And so one big place that we saw where we could save a significant amount of money was to shift our physical, all staff, 57 people together in person retreat to a virtual retreat. 00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:43.720 And we have some super creative minds in our, in our staff. 00:49:43.720 --> 00:49:45.920 And so we brainstormed on how can we pull that off. 00:49:46.160 --> 00:49:48.440 So we ended up having a two day retreat. 00:49:49.120 --> 00:49:58.760 It was all of us online in Zoom and it ended up being reviewed as our best retreat ever for a lot of different reasons. 00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.160 And I was really excited what our team pulled off. 00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:06.440 But what we did was we looked at the agenda and we said, what are the large group gatherings that we need to have? 00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:11.240 And those were inspirational and informational teaching from Greg, from our president. 00:50:12.040 --> 00:50:18.120 What is celebration of our vision values and celebrating the number of church plants? 00:50:18.340 --> 00:50:22.380 And that's where the confetti took place and the party horns and all that stuff. 00:50:22.780 --> 00:50:26.240 And then what are things that we need to break down into small group environments? 00:50:26.680 --> 00:50:35.440 We know that in four screens of 20 something people per screen, you're going to lose people and people aren't going to pay attention after certain amounts of time. 00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:38.880 So we broke into small groups to where everybody's on the screen. 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:41.600 Everybody's accountable to be looking and paying attention. 00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:48.780 And our global team did a Kahoot game show and had some great trivia questions on global learning. 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:56.660 Our U.S. church planters invited other, or our U.S. church planting team invited church planters in to interview and to talk about 00:50:56.680 --> 00:50:59.000 what is Stadia done to come alongside them. 00:50:59.660 --> 00:51:14.680 And then we had Mindy come in and do some soul care teaching with us and had some small group prayer time and just some really powerful connection with our team of being vulnerable and helping each other in some really tough stuff. 00:51:15.060 --> 00:51:17.640 So I loved the innovation of it. 00:51:17.720 --> 00:51:21.640 It required us to be very intentional, take long breaks, have a lot of variety. 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:32.300 And what I really love about the fact that we did it virtual instead of physical was we could bring in people that we wouldn't have had access to in a physical environment. 00:51:32.600 --> 00:51:38.460 So Mindy probably wouldn't have been able to join us if we had done this physically or that many church planters couldn't have joined us. 00:51:38.680 --> 00:51:44.160 But we were able to bring them in because it was so easy to just do it and give them a time and a Zoom room. 00:51:44.260 --> 00:51:45.580 And it happened great. 00:51:46.220 --> 00:51:49.620 Heidi, what was your experience as a participant that you would add to that? 00:51:49.620 --> 00:51:55.680 I just appreciated the level of care for every step of the retreat. 00:51:56.060 --> 00:52:08.040 So from the fidgetal packages that we got prior to, to just the communication leading up to the retreat about what was going to be needed from us during those retreat windows. 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:18.700 And then the pieces of soul care and team connection just really were very, there's just a lot of care taken in the schedule. 00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:35.520 And, and I do a lot of travel for work and there is something nice about being able to do a digital retreat and not have to handle what's going to happen with my people at home in an overnight situation. 00:52:35.520 --> 00:52:42.440 And so I think it does provide more accessibility for our folks that have needs at home. 00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:47.060 And so I love that we were able to provide a fantastic experience for those colleagues as well. 00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:50.980 I was surprised at how grateful everybody was to sleep in their own bed. 00:52:51.240 --> 00:52:55.360 Like I didn't even think about the benefit of that, but everybody get a really great night's sleep. 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:59.900 And our second day was super, we did miss out on the social hangout time. 00:52:59.900 --> 00:53:06.280 So you have to think through that, like, what are the places that you need to add in, just hang out. 00:53:06.380 --> 00:53:14.280 You know, I've heard a lot of friends lately having coffee time together or happy hour or whatever is their appropriate thing in this time where we can't be together. 00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:19.380 So that is one thing that you miss, just the organic socializing that happens. 00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:28.780 But beyond that, it ended up being a very successful gathering to where Greg is convening our advisory team in a few weeks. 00:53:28.780 --> 00:53:32.020 And he's going by the exact same model because it was such a success. 00:53:32.020 --> 00:53:35.140 So this will kind of become more of a norm for us than not. 00:53:35.140 --> 00:53:37.500 Yeah, I mean, that's a huge money saver. 00:53:37.940 --> 00:53:48.520 And in post-2020 coronavirus, or even in the midst of 2020 coronavirus, I could see more and more churches, you know, embracing this idea. 00:53:48.860 --> 00:53:51.440 Hey, why don't we do a marriage retreat? 00:53:51.660 --> 00:53:52.900 Why don't we do this? 00:53:52.980 --> 00:53:55.240 Why don't we work on these things? 00:53:55.360 --> 00:54:00.060 I mean, right now, the church is just trying to figure out how to broadcast a service. 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:02.820 Well, there's more to church than just broadcasting a service. 00:54:03.020 --> 00:54:10.840 And yeah, once we get that figured out here, you know, this weekend or in the coming week, maybe at some point we got that figured out. 00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:17.080 We got to do the next thing, you know, and the next thing and move small groups online, figure out how to discipleship online. 00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:29.160 And I think trying to create community via retreats or things like that, the way that you guys have done it here with Stadia, the way that we have done it here with Stadia would be phenomenal. 00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:31.800 So take some lessons from here. 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:39.460 I think this is a definite place to get started in this conversation as you and your church start to explore that. 00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:47.320 For the life of me, I have been on Zoom trying to figure out what the Zoom's website, trying to figure out which level has that breakout. 00:54:48.100 --> 00:54:49.040 I can't find it. 00:54:49.080 --> 00:55:00.640 So I can tell you it's not the $15 version, but I'm pretty sure it's either the pro or the enterprise, which typically gets around $19 to $20 a month for that. 00:55:00.720 --> 00:55:02.720 And there's pros and cons on it. 00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:03.720 I've used it. 00:55:04.120 --> 00:55:11.360 But, you know, I can even tell you with the church that I work at, Christ's Journey, we do a 9 a.m. huddle. 00:55:11.700 --> 00:55:15.900 It's just post-coronavirus in the season we are now, completely virtual. 00:55:16.700 --> 00:55:19.580 At 9 a.m. every morning, it's an all-staff meeting. 00:55:20.340 --> 00:55:21.820 We gather together. 00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:23.260 We meet. 00:55:23.560 --> 00:55:26.760 And then there is the option for us to break up by departments afterwards. 00:55:26.900 --> 00:55:30.520 So sometimes, as a church, we break up by campus. 00:55:30.520 --> 00:55:31.300 We're multi-site. 00:55:31.740 --> 00:55:34.000 So sometimes we break up and we meet by campuses. 00:55:34.340 --> 00:55:38.620 Sometimes we break up and we meet by, you know, departments. 00:55:38.780 --> 00:55:39.620 Worship meets together. 00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:40.160 Production. 00:55:40.460 --> 00:55:41.000 Weekend. 00:55:41.740 --> 00:55:46.100 You know, the different groups, operations, leadership. 00:55:46.100 --> 00:55:50.080 But the idea is we start the day together at 9 a.m. 00:55:50.500 --> 00:55:55.600 You know, using the technology to engage, to lead people is awesome. 00:55:55.760 --> 00:56:02.660 And you guys with Stadia, we've been doing a great job of setting that standard, as I can tell. 00:56:03.100 --> 00:56:08.680 And I'm looking forward to being alongside as we're helping more churches here in this coronavirus season. 00:56:08.680 --> 00:56:19.320 And by the way, like we just, as we're landing the plane, stadiachurchplanning.org slash coronavirus resources, that's a lot. 00:56:19.500 --> 00:56:26.840 But that's where really we've been assimilating the breadth of knowledge of what's happening here in the coronavirus. 00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:36.180 Through the Church Digital, we're providing resources and the webinars are listed there and even more things that are coming in the weeks and months ahead. 00:56:37.180 --> 00:56:40.100 So feel free to, you know, check that resource out. 00:56:40.780 --> 00:56:50.800 And as we are learning through Stadia, so we want you guys to learn at the church level and even at the individual level with that. 00:56:51.560 --> 00:56:54.080 Well, ladies, this has been an incredible podcast. 00:56:54.240 --> 00:56:55.100 Thank you for the time. 00:56:55.300 --> 00:56:58.840 I know it's coronavirus season and things are crazy. 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:03.720 But just as we're landing the plane here, any closing thoughts? 00:57:04.640 --> 00:57:06.960 Heidi, you know, as we're landing, what are you thinking? 00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:16.080 Yeah, I think one thing that I haven't said is just because we're online doesn't give us permission to sacrifice professionalism. 00:57:16.560 --> 00:57:25.640 You can still be professional and get your work done and have it together and still be really great at your job. 00:57:26.640 --> 00:57:31.340 And you can still be professional and have a really great time. 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:39.600 Like, I am a big fan of throwing some Easter eggs in PowerPoint just to make sure people are paying attention. 00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:50.540 And I think in this season where things feel a little bit heavy, being professional but also adding fun into your virtual work environment can really lighten the load a little bit. 00:57:50.540 --> 00:57:53.900 So that's my last piece of encouragement to folks. 00:57:54.200 --> 00:57:57.720 As they're online, make sure you're adding a little fun into your day as well. 00:57:58.160 --> 00:58:00.080 We could definitely use some more fun. 00:58:00.220 --> 00:58:00.840 That's awesome. 00:58:01.020 --> 00:58:03.100 I could definitely use some more fun. 00:58:03.240 --> 00:58:06.260 All right, Janie, as we're landing the plane, any thoughts on your end? 00:58:06.780 --> 00:58:12.200 I would say that Stadia is absolutely passionate about serving the church. 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:14.260 And that's not just as an organization. 00:58:14.260 --> 00:58:25.040 And so please reach out to us individually with any questions, any ways that we can come alongside and help you. 00:58:25.160 --> 00:58:35.300 I have been so honored to help probably a dozen of my church leader friends in the past week of just coming on Zoom with them and showing them what the options are and talking through a lot of this stuff. 00:58:35.860 --> 00:58:39.340 And we are wanting to do this as much as possible. 00:58:39.340 --> 00:58:41.680 So reach out to us. 00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:44.320 Lean into the resources that Jeff talked about. 00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:46.120 Tell us what you're learning. 00:58:46.380 --> 00:58:51.700 Because one of the biggest things that Stadia has the opportunity to do is to have access to so many smart leaders. 00:58:51.820 --> 00:58:56.600 And we want to curate that knowledge and be able to share it as much as possible with other people. 00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:12.420 So if you've got something good to share, send it our way so we can share it with other people and help just reach more people with the hope of Jesus in this crazy time when hope is distant for those who don't know the truth of Jesus Christ. 00:59:12.820 --> 00:59:13.900 Amen to that. 00:59:14.120 --> 00:59:19.480 So we'll include contact information in the show notes for both Heidi and Janie. 00:59:19.980 --> 00:59:27.180 And this has been a great podcast and something, church, as we're moving forward in coronavirus season. 00:59:27.260 --> 00:59:45.380 Be thinking about these things because the ability to manage and lead employees, people, the ability to keep people on mission is going to be so important as this coronavirus season stretches out into hopefully just weeks, but even potentially months. 00:59:45.380 --> 00:59:52.540 So learn some lessons from these and prayerfully we'll be considering, we'll be looking forward to what's ahead. 00:59:52.780 --> 00:59:55.500 So this has been great for Heidi, for Janie. 00:59:55.580 --> 00:59:57.040 This is Jeff with the Church Digital. 00:59:57.420 --> 00:59:59.360 Thanks for jumping on with us for this time. 00:59:59.460 --> 01:00:01.600 And we'll see you next time at the Church Digital Podcast. 01:00:01.820 --> 01:00:02.380 You have a good day.