WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.880 All right, you got episode 57 of the Church Digital Podcast, powered by Stadia Church Planting. 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:14.460 Yeah, this is the third podcast we're rolling out this week, on top of probably 10 to 12 blog posts that are rolling out this week. 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:15.820 There's just so much content. 00:00:16.260 --> 00:00:19.100 There's so many things that we want to say in this coronavirus season. 00:00:19.780 --> 00:00:21.880 So forgive the content overload. 00:00:21.880 --> 00:00:28.180 I hope you're able to keep up with it all or at least find things that are beneficial for you in this coronavirus season. 00:00:28.340 --> 00:00:38.220 We've got a great episode here today, and it's something that I think is relevant to where we are as a church, and that is centered around Easter. 00:00:38.480 --> 00:00:41.260 Well, I got to tell you, like, Easter is our Super Bowl. 00:00:41.400 --> 00:00:50.620 Like, this is the thing that we put all our Easter eggs in the basket, pun intended there entirely, to prepare for this massive Easter experience. 00:00:50.620 --> 00:01:07.200 As production director, as producer for a multi-site church, I can tell you I've spent 96, 98, 100-plus hours over one week just in preparation to make sure that all the campuses and all of the venues were prepared for the Easter service. 00:01:07.880 --> 00:01:09.820 And now we're in the midst of this coronavirus season. 00:01:09.820 --> 00:01:22.000 We're mere a couple weeks away from Easter happening on April 12th, and there's this realization of it doesn't look like we're actually going to have Easter in a physical building. 00:01:22.260 --> 00:01:25.380 That may be a little scary to some out there. 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:33.960 It's actually probably scary to a lot because, like, church online wasn't even, like, theologically acceptable two to three weeks ago. 00:01:34.020 --> 00:01:41.540 And now the Super Bowl, the biggest Sunday of the year, Easter, is looking like it's going to be online only. 00:01:42.080 --> 00:01:48.260 So out there, pastors, people who are preparing content, lead pastors, how do you pivot? 00:01:48.360 --> 00:01:48.940 How do you change? 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:51.620 Worship, what does it look like for Easter online? 00:01:52.100 --> 00:01:54.020 Creative, how do we communicate these things? 00:01:54.100 --> 00:01:57.880 What are creative elements that we can do within the context of it? 00:01:57.980 --> 00:02:02.260 What does it look like to produce an overly produced, sensationalized service? 00:02:02.720 --> 00:02:10.120 And then you've got Jimmy Fallon, who's doing a broadcast in his living room with an iPhone with his kid climbing all over him. 00:02:10.440 --> 00:02:13.400 What are these tensions that we deal with when we're talking about Easter? 00:02:13.500 --> 00:02:17.700 How do we hype Easter in this coronavirus season? 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:19.520 That's really the question we dive into. 00:02:19.660 --> 00:02:24.880 So we're bringing in Miami favorite and a longtime fan here of the podcast, Eridus. 00:02:25.260 --> 00:02:30.380 Eridus is a producer over at Grace Family Church, now up in Tampa, Florida. 00:02:31.460 --> 00:02:34.520 And Eridus is a guy that I've known and respected. 00:02:34.640 --> 00:02:37.600 We'll get to it in the podcast for a couple decades now. 00:02:37.600 --> 00:02:42.000 I knew him even when he was in high school and I was like a college kid. 00:02:42.100 --> 00:02:53.120 And it's been awesome seeing him grow in ministry and influence just in churches across the country and helping people wrestle with creative elements like this. 00:02:53.260 --> 00:02:59.700 How do you do Easter in coronavirus season exclusively on Church Online? 00:03:00.060 --> 00:03:01.220 What does that even look like? 00:03:01.220 --> 00:03:17.620 So to that end, I'm bringing Eridus into the conversation as well as Ray DeArmis, co-host once again with the Church Digital, as well as the Christ Fellowship Miami, and myself, Jeff, at the Church Digital, in a conversation that I'm calling Easter Service Church Online Only. 00:03:18.200 --> 00:03:18.760 Hey, everybody. 00:03:18.900 --> 00:03:19.280 Here you go. 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:20.300 Grace Family Church. 00:03:20.460 --> 00:03:23.640 Actually, we've made Tampa our home for the past year and a half. 00:03:23.780 --> 00:03:26.460 It's going to be two years and loving life up here. 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:32.620 It's a great and growing city and part of a great, great team, great church. 00:03:33.200 --> 00:03:35.740 And I'm excited to get to do all things creative. 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:44.700 So I have a hand in all things from video production, worship, communications to all things digital and how that translates, especially in a season like this. 00:03:44.760 --> 00:03:45.540 It's been a lot of fun. 00:03:45.600 --> 00:03:46.480 I have a passion for it. 00:03:46.980 --> 00:03:52.920 I love leveraging all things digital, early adopter on everything to try to get the good news out. 00:03:53.020 --> 00:03:58.200 So it's been fun to do that and spearhead that here in Tampa with Grace Family Church. 00:03:58.500 --> 00:03:59.380 So honored to be here, man. 00:03:59.420 --> 00:04:00.440 Excited to talk to you guys. 00:04:00.860 --> 00:04:01.220 Hang out. 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:01.720 Miss y'all. 00:04:01.940 --> 00:04:02.340 It's been a while. 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:03.500 Yeah. 00:04:03.640 --> 00:04:07.200 So Grace Family is, by Eridus, we go way back. 00:04:07.380 --> 00:04:12.760 We don't want to die on this in the podcast, but we have spent a lot of time together in Miami. 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:13.700 It's been awesome. 00:04:14.220 --> 00:04:21.580 We were just talking off air about how Eridus owes me a large sum of money due to a mishap that he did when he was in high school. 00:04:22.200 --> 00:04:23.540 So I want to say something like that. 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:24.640 This sounds very mock-it. 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:26.220 I don't like what this story is telling. 00:04:26.380 --> 00:04:26.540 Yeah. 00:04:26.780 --> 00:04:30.900 You can't say Miami owes me a lot of money and just leave it pending in the air. 00:04:31.060 --> 00:04:32.820 That's going to get flat somewhere, man. 00:04:33.200 --> 00:04:33.680 No, no, no. 00:04:33.740 --> 00:04:34.420 It'll be fine. 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:35.260 It'll be great. 00:04:35.320 --> 00:04:37.240 It's nothing to do with any illegal substances. 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:40.560 We apologize, FBI, for listening in. 00:04:40.660 --> 00:04:41.240 Sorry about that. 00:04:41.580 --> 00:04:41.860 Yes. 00:04:42.260 --> 00:04:43.680 Yeah, you've got better things to do today. 00:04:44.220 --> 00:04:44.620 Make millions. 00:04:44.700 --> 00:04:45.060 Awesome. 00:04:46.820 --> 00:04:51.520 But what we really wanted to get into with this conversation is Easter. 00:04:51.960 --> 00:04:53.900 And so we're in the midst of this coronavirus season. 00:04:54.460 --> 00:05:04.680 We see, at the time of this recording, Easter is a mere three weeks away, and it's getting sooner and sooner, literally by the day here, quite literally by the day. 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:16.400 And the great thing about Easter, especially when you're a church with a creative department and you're ahead of the game, the second Christmas is over, you start having conversations about Easter. 00:05:16.780 --> 00:05:24.520 You flip the switch and you start talking about, okay, what's the theme, what are we going for, what's our voice, create the graphics, create the video. 00:05:24.520 --> 00:05:31.240 And you've got usually that three- or four-month period between, you know, January 6th to, you know, in their situation this year, April, tomorrow. 00:05:31.320 --> 00:05:38.340 So you've got that four months to really create this awesome, spectacular experience, this environment for Easter. 00:05:39.140 --> 00:05:43.120 Well, coronavirus kind of threw a wrench in all of that. 00:05:43.260 --> 00:05:49.080 There is no building, and a lot of the assets may or might not have changed, and culture is shifting. 00:05:49.580 --> 00:05:56.700 We're literally moving the target here because coronavirus is really just running amok in our society and culture today. 00:05:57.220 --> 00:06:02.200 Majority of churches at this point, if they're doing anything, they're digital-only expressions, which is funny. 00:06:02.200 --> 00:06:08.940 Even just a mere couple months ago, a lot of churches would have said, this is crazy, and they're theologically against these things. 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:11.860 And now, all of a sudden, they're in the foray kind of jumping in. 00:06:12.180 --> 00:06:14.060 But that's a side conversation we'll get to later. 00:06:14.460 --> 00:06:23.000 When it comes to this Easter thing, man, like, there's this opportunity to pivot, to change, to go from a physical to virtual. 00:06:23.980 --> 00:06:36.500 And Eridus, you know, I know with you, with Grace Family, and Ray, with Christ Fellowship Miami, and, like, we're all feeling this tension of how do we pivot, and what does pivoting even look like? 00:06:36.500 --> 00:06:48.820 So, you know, Eridus, one of the things I'd ask you is, like, early on in this conversation, at what point did Grace Family, did you guys actually start to have a coronavirus Easter conversation? 00:06:49.060 --> 00:06:50.160 When did this hit your radar? 00:06:50.940 --> 00:06:58.140 Yeah, no doubt. Obviously, we were listening to authorities, to governor, to president, following along daily. 00:06:58.760 --> 00:07:07.040 And just closely, as a matter of fact, even at the time of this recording, it's limbo if it's full lockdown or not lockdown, and all of that. 00:07:07.100 --> 00:07:23.760 And while we feel like people, there is that pent-up kind of idea of wanting to get out of the house and connect, I don't think it's going to be as fast or as quick as many may think, where, oh, free to go, let's go, let's re-engage quickly. 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:28.940 There will be some hesitations and precautions and some things we saw. 00:07:29.060 --> 00:07:32.580 So, a month out, a month from Easter, we decided to lock in the theme. 00:07:32.880 --> 00:07:35.780 Okay, online or physical, we're locking in the theme. 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:37.100 This is what we want to wear. 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.100 We're actually sticking with the It Is Well theme. 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:40.100 It's a throwback. 00:07:40.540 --> 00:07:41.080 It is well. 00:07:41.460 --> 00:07:46.440 So, playing up, even helping folks, hey, you hear panic, you hear worry, you hear, hey, it is well. 00:07:46.900 --> 00:07:53.960 And obviously, they want to talk about It Is Well in our city, It Is Well, but it's ultimately, right, It Is Well in our soul and kind of throwing it back to really one of my favorite hymns. 00:07:54.540 --> 00:07:55.940 And so, we're locked in on that theme. 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:03.060 From a programming perspective, we decided, okay, let's think this stuff through, the basics, which I'm sure a lot of folks by now have figured out. 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:04.740 What does interaction look like? 00:08:04.960 --> 00:08:06.240 You can't fill out a physical card. 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:07.420 What does giving look like? 00:08:07.420 --> 00:08:07.940 It's different. 00:08:08.100 --> 00:08:09.820 What is all of that stuff? 00:08:09.820 --> 00:08:13.020 What is the basic fellowship, communion, all of that? 00:08:13.100 --> 00:08:13.780 Are we doing communion? 00:08:13.880 --> 00:08:14.280 Are we not? 00:08:14.340 --> 00:08:15.760 If we are, how are we doing that? 00:08:15.820 --> 00:08:19.720 So, some of those foundational level things, we started talking, a possibility. 00:08:20.200 --> 00:08:23.000 We made the call to go three weeks out of Easter. 00:08:23.140 --> 00:08:27.240 We decided to say, hey, we're going online, even if it reopened. 00:08:27.440 --> 00:08:35.220 We felt that because of the change in staff culture already, because of the change in work flow for all of our teams. 00:08:35.220 --> 00:08:42.200 We got a staff about 250 to try to coordinate all that, to come back together and panic and put a service at six locations. 00:08:42.460 --> 00:08:47.480 We felt, let's build the best online service we can in the next three weeks. 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:48.720 And that's what we're doing. 00:08:48.920 --> 00:08:49.740 That's what we're doing now. 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:59.360 And then now we're discussing what was a feature song and this big presentation with cello, strings, and a dancer, the typical stuff that churches love to pull out at Easter. 00:08:59.900 --> 00:09:01.080 How does that look like online? 00:09:01.580 --> 00:09:02.560 What makes it different? 00:09:02.640 --> 00:09:03.520 What makes it special? 00:09:03.640 --> 00:09:08.880 What makes it – so we're having those conversations now in preparation for Easter. 00:09:08.980 --> 00:09:10.260 I hope that helps answer a little bit. 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:21.800 I want to applaud you for your boldness in making that call early on, Aaron, whereas I'm sure there's a lot of churches that are still out there still hoping and praying that they'll be able to throw something together last minute. 00:09:21.980 --> 00:09:25.420 I mean, what would you advise for them as they most do some of those calls? 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:28.720 Yeah, you know, and every case is different. 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:32.840 You know, I don't want to sit here and say that, oh, you should do this and this is the way. 00:09:32.940 --> 00:09:36.600 I understand different sizes, different spaces, different demographics. 00:09:37.460 --> 00:09:40.640 We're trying – this is the wisest for us in our situation. 00:09:40.640 --> 00:09:45.080 And ultimately, we're trying to think, how can we reach the most – we're in the Tampa Bay area. 00:09:45.420 --> 00:09:46.880 So, Tampa, St. Petersburg. 00:09:47.280 --> 00:09:50.140 Our goal is to reach the Tampa Bay area. 00:09:50.520 --> 00:09:52.900 So, how can we rise above the noise? 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:57.700 How can we get the good news out to the Tampa Bay area, the best, the most effect? 00:09:57.980 --> 00:09:59.800 So, we feel like we can reach more people, actually. 00:09:59.900 --> 00:10:01.320 So, again, and this is a glimpse, right? 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:02.760 We're obviously in the right podcast for this. 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:04.460 This is not only a glimpse of the now. 00:10:04.520 --> 00:10:05.240 It's the future. 00:10:05.680 --> 00:10:11.120 And, you know, Jeff's been prophetic about this, we all know, right, calling it and claiming it. 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:13.300 And you guys understand the digital space. 00:10:14.160 --> 00:10:17.240 So, we're excited because this has shifted attention. 00:10:17.800 --> 00:10:22.180 And we know Church Online is going to come back stronger even when we start gathering physical spaces. 00:10:22.560 --> 00:10:23.960 It's become – they understand. 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:27.080 It's introduced a whole set of folks to Church Online. 00:10:27.400 --> 00:10:28.420 So, we made a call. 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:29.520 There's a risk, no doubt. 00:10:29.920 --> 00:10:32.640 I think we've just – the ability to not waver. 00:10:32.640 --> 00:10:34.820 We just decided to let's just focus in on this. 00:10:35.220 --> 00:10:36.060 Let's give it the best. 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:42.960 We felt good about attendance and engagement so far that it's given us the confidence to say, let's go big or go home. 00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:44.300 Yeah. 00:10:44.420 --> 00:10:45.560 I'm just curious. 00:10:45.700 --> 00:10:48.400 Let's dive in a little bit in context of Easter. 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:53.560 How have your normal – like you're, what, two or three weeks in? 00:10:53.560 --> 00:10:57.460 At what point did you shut down the physical services? 00:10:58.020 --> 00:11:02.340 And how has engagement online for you specifically been in this season? 00:11:03.620 --> 00:11:03.780 Yeah. 00:11:03.900 --> 00:11:08.620 So, it's – what's interesting is, you know, we're the big church on the block, okay? 00:11:08.700 --> 00:11:11.840 So, we're the largest physical church in town. 00:11:12.400 --> 00:11:13.920 So, all eyes on us. 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:16.660 We were the ones setting the trend. 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:17.620 Churches were calling. 00:11:17.760 --> 00:11:19.480 Well, if they shut down, we shut down. 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:22.560 If we don't – so, there's a lot of pressure on that end. 00:11:23.260 --> 00:11:24.140 We were in touch. 00:11:24.140 --> 00:11:30.640 We were one of the first ones calling governor and calling the mayor, say, hey, we want to be side-by-side with you on this. 00:11:30.760 --> 00:11:31.660 We don't want to contradict. 00:11:32.340 --> 00:11:37.060 So, that was key, the community engagement there with, you know, with our politicians, with our leaders. 00:11:37.700 --> 00:11:38.460 And we did. 00:11:38.560 --> 00:11:44.600 We knew – we knew a day before the mayor was going to make an announcement about some of the closing down of the schools. 00:11:44.900 --> 00:11:52.360 The minute the schools went and it impacted parents, impacted job flow, we understood, okay, this is a community shift. 00:11:52.580 --> 00:11:53.340 So, we made that call. 00:11:53.420 --> 00:12:00.580 We were that same week, the week that they announced school shutting down, we announced, hey, we're going online, online only. 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:02.980 So, it's been – it's two full weeks of that. 00:12:03.860 --> 00:12:11.060 We're going into our third week of church online only and committing, committing to Easter and as long as we need. 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:12.200 That's good. 00:12:12.640 --> 00:12:18.740 Erdis, I've always felt that you've had a good grasp of social media and how that ties in with the church experience. 00:12:19.300 --> 00:12:25.140 What are some ways that Grace has taken this situation and stayed plugged in with folks via social media channels? 00:12:25.860 --> 00:12:26.480 No, that's good. 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:26.920 That's good. 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:31.640 You know, we use – I've shared this before in other podcasts or places. 00:12:31.980 --> 00:12:36.500 And it's funny because when we talked about this earlier, it was the idea of hype, right, how to build hype. 00:12:36.500 --> 00:12:39.500 And hype sometimes gets – has a bad reputation. 00:12:39.760 --> 00:12:41.840 It has a bad vibe because it's like, ah, it's just hype. 00:12:41.920 --> 00:12:42.560 It's all noise. 00:12:43.020 --> 00:12:43.400 It's blood. 00:12:44.280 --> 00:12:44.920 We leverage it. 00:12:45.020 --> 00:12:45.840 For us, it's an acronym. 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:55.880 And anything we do, whether it's an event, whether it's a church service online, whether it's a product you're selling, whether it's – whatever it may be, we ask these questions. 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.220 So, and it's – I'll give it to you here, hype, right? 00:12:58.340 --> 00:13:00.140 It's H is, how am I helping others? 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:01.460 It's always asking that question. 00:13:01.540 --> 00:13:02.660 How is this service? 00:13:03.040 --> 00:13:03.900 How is this product? 00:13:03.900 --> 00:13:07.660 How – now, the foundational – we know, right? 00:13:07.700 --> 00:13:14.360 We're in the business of helping people, of the gospel, of getting the eternal, you know, that eternal good news out. 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:15.220 We know that. 00:13:15.500 --> 00:13:17.340 But at the surface level, people don't know that. 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:19.640 They're going through struggles. 00:13:19.700 --> 00:13:20.820 Right now, financial struggles. 00:13:20.940 --> 00:13:22.640 Right now, they're afraid to get out. 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:23.580 They're afraid of their neighbor. 00:13:24.560 --> 00:13:25.960 So, how am I helping? 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:28.940 With our services, with our church, how am I helping? 00:13:29.020 --> 00:13:29.740 That's the H, right? 00:13:29.800 --> 00:13:31.860 The Y for us, it's then your solution, right? 00:13:31.920 --> 00:13:32.780 So, what's your solution? 00:13:33.580 --> 00:13:34.440 What's your solution? 00:13:34.560 --> 00:13:36.300 So, immediately ask, hey, how can we help? 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:37.180 And now, here. 00:13:37.460 --> 00:13:38.580 Here's a solution we feel. 00:13:38.660 --> 00:13:39.840 Here's an answer we can give you. 00:13:39.940 --> 00:13:41.020 Here's why you should attend. 00:13:41.460 --> 00:13:42.060 Here's why. 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:46.620 And again, and these are all marketing skills, which, again, sometimes churches are afraid to use. 00:13:47.060 --> 00:13:48.120 And I'm like, why not? 00:13:48.340 --> 00:13:51.100 Like, we have the greatest story in the world to share. 00:13:51.160 --> 00:13:54.280 We have the good news, the eternal, life-changing. 00:13:54.740 --> 00:13:55.700 Let's use everything we got. 00:13:55.700 --> 00:13:56.740 So, that's your solution. 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.080 Then, obviously, it's the people, right? 00:13:59.100 --> 00:14:01.600 So, the P-Hype, H-Y-P, people. 00:14:01.920 --> 00:14:02.620 It's about people. 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:03.720 We know it started with people. 00:14:03.880 --> 00:14:06.260 It ends up, so who are you engaging, right? 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:09.560 That's when you get into the influencers. 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:12.780 Who are the folks that you want engaged to get the word out? 00:14:12.860 --> 00:14:14.440 How do you promote this and that angle? 00:14:14.860 --> 00:14:15.700 And I will say this. 00:14:16.580 --> 00:14:17.820 A lot of that happens. 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:21.080 A lot of the successful campaigns and things we have, it's this. 00:14:21.140 --> 00:14:24.820 You want them to promote on social, but we'll pick up the phone and say, hey, Susie. 00:14:24.880 --> 00:14:25.300 Hey, Johnny. 00:14:25.620 --> 00:14:26.420 Hey, we're doing this, man. 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:27.020 Can you do me a favor? 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:29.160 Can you go ahead and promote, share? 00:14:29.340 --> 00:14:29.420 Cool. 00:14:30.100 --> 00:14:34.760 If you just tag and send posts, the ROI on that is up and down, it depends. 00:14:35.060 --> 00:14:36.620 But when you actually engage and jump in. 00:14:36.700 --> 00:14:41.840 So, we engage people and the ones we want, like literally old school, or we'll go look 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.640 staff members in the eye and say, hey, Johnny, I need you to post this here. 00:14:46.740 --> 00:14:47.300 Do this now. 00:14:47.800 --> 00:14:50.200 Not this loose staff email to a bunch. 00:14:50.300 --> 00:14:50.560 No, no, no. 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.500 I think that's how you get the commitment and that's how you get the specific ask. 00:14:54.500 --> 00:14:54.940 So, we do that. 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:56.060 And then finally, it's the engagement. 00:14:56.420 --> 00:14:57.820 You know, type the ends with engagement. 00:14:57.980 --> 00:15:03.060 So, comment, like, share, repost, answer questions, crowdsource, ask questions back. 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.640 So, we follow, we try to follow all that. 00:15:05.740 --> 00:15:07.140 We've been doing that throughout the coronavirus. 00:15:07.560 --> 00:15:08.540 We've been asking questions. 00:15:08.700 --> 00:15:10.360 We've been, hey, here's how we can help you. 00:15:10.520 --> 00:15:14.380 We're actually, our church is offering, you know, picking up groceries and delivering them 00:15:14.380 --> 00:15:16.020 to some of the elderly. 00:15:16.220 --> 00:15:17.000 Here's how we can help. 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:18.100 You know, here's our solution. 00:15:18.260 --> 00:15:19.000 So, we offer that. 00:15:19.400 --> 00:15:20.820 We've engaged our staff and our people. 00:15:21.060 --> 00:15:25.680 We had our different campuses this weekend split up during services, engaging on church 00:15:25.680 --> 00:15:26.000 online. 00:15:26.340 --> 00:15:28.240 So, this campus took the 430 hour. 00:15:28.420 --> 00:15:29.120 They're in there, man. 00:15:29.540 --> 00:15:29.740 Boom. 00:15:29.940 --> 00:15:31.800 So, it's like campuses, make this hour your hour. 00:15:32.500 --> 00:15:33.140 This is your hour. 00:15:33.400 --> 00:15:34.040 Let's show up. 00:15:34.460 --> 00:15:37.980 So, then, you know, you create an internal competition and have some fun with it, et cetera. 00:15:38.460 --> 00:15:39.120 So, it's been fun. 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:40.020 It's been new. 00:15:40.020 --> 00:15:41.920 We're discovering as we go ideas. 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:43.380 I mean, we're watching. 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.840 I'm watching Jimmy Fallon do a show from his kitchen with his phone. 00:15:46.920 --> 00:15:49.360 I mean, we're learning as we go, too, just like they are. 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:50.120 And we're adapting. 00:15:50.340 --> 00:15:50.920 We're doing stuff. 00:15:51.040 --> 00:15:55.080 We did a fortress challenge with our kids at home. 00:15:55.400 --> 00:15:56.120 We know everybody's at home. 00:15:56.180 --> 00:15:56.600 What do they do? 00:15:56.660 --> 00:15:57.540 They build fortresses. 00:15:57.940 --> 00:16:01.280 So, hashtag ZoneSuiteHome, which is the name of our kids' ministry, Zone. 00:16:01.660 --> 00:16:03.700 ZoneSuiteHome, build a fortress. 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:04.720 Dude, it's been great. 00:16:04.820 --> 00:16:05.600 People are sharing. 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.700 It creates a fun engagement and ultimately leads them to the resources, to our teaching. 00:16:09.700 --> 00:16:11.000 So, it's been fun. 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:11.460 We're learning. 00:16:11.800 --> 00:16:12.780 We've got different demographics. 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:14.600 We've got a young and old. 00:16:14.800 --> 00:16:16.200 Like, it's a hybrid, man. 00:16:16.260 --> 00:16:20.280 We've got a thriving, growing, but older demographic, 25-year-old church. 00:16:20.460 --> 00:16:26.280 So, it's been fun to adapt to all the social, you know, available to us. 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:28.520 You mentioned Jimmy Fallon. 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:29.140 And it's funny. 00:16:29.280 --> 00:16:33.260 Just, you know, a couple hours before this recording, I was in a meeting talking about 00:16:33.260 --> 00:16:35.640 Easter service with a church. 00:16:35.640 --> 00:16:43.460 And the tension we had talked about is creating the over-the-top production that we normally 00:16:43.460 --> 00:16:47.280 see in context of Easter and doing that in a broadcast environment. 00:16:47.860 --> 00:16:52.580 And then we also talked about, dude, Jimmy Fallon's producing a service, like producing 00:16:52.580 --> 00:16:56.500 a show on an iPhone with his kid climbing all over him. 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:05.000 And at some level, we've moved away from hyper-production and are almost getting bare bones, authentic, real 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:09.100 with people as we're all just collectively stuck in our homes. 00:17:09.300 --> 00:17:15.000 Like, coming from a guy who's lived both sides of the coin here, Arius, like, how do you balance 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:22.800 the hyper-production behind the realism of, like, the, I'm stuck in my office doing this 00:17:22.800 --> 00:17:25.220 thing with my kids in the other room? 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:27.040 Like, what's that tension look like? 00:17:27.660 --> 00:17:30.240 No, keyword tension, right? 00:17:30.300 --> 00:17:34.920 I think in the mighty words of Andy Stanley, right, it's a tension you have to manage. 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:37.720 Like, here's my take on it. 00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:39.140 We've been talking about the same thing. 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:43.980 For example, if Jimmy Fallon thought it was better to just do it from home and never go 00:17:43.980 --> 00:17:48.500 back to the studio and have the roots and have a staff, he'd probably do it. 00:17:48.700 --> 00:17:49.540 He knows it's not. 00:17:49.760 --> 00:17:54.600 He knows that this, for the right now, is incredible, it's ideal, there's the authenticity, there's 00:17:54.600 --> 00:17:55.700 a fun, it's different. 00:17:56.900 --> 00:18:00.900 So, but I do think the other is preferred, and he'll go back to it the minute he can. 00:18:01.560 --> 00:18:02.940 I'm also thinking of this. 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.360 We've had, you know, 400% increase on our viewers online. 00:18:07.900 --> 00:18:10.260 A lot of those people have never come to Grace Family Church. 00:18:10.380 --> 00:18:10.820 They don't know. 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:11.560 They've never been here. 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:14.760 So, you're also exposing them to who you are for the long run. 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:20.920 So, there's that piece of, okay, they, I think it's a very evangelistic outreach tool that 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:25.180 they may come back and say, you know what, this church was there online when I needed it. 00:18:25.220 --> 00:18:26.680 I got a glimpse of who they are. 00:18:26.900 --> 00:18:28.520 I got a taste of what they do. 00:18:28.860 --> 00:18:32.900 They're a little more comfortable coming to your physical campuses when the time comes 00:18:32.900 --> 00:18:33.160 around. 00:18:33.380 --> 00:18:35.380 At the same time, authenticity is key. 00:18:35.700 --> 00:18:36.620 It's one of our values here. 00:18:36.860 --> 00:18:41.460 The be real aspect, if it's flashy for the sake and cool for the sake of cool, I think we've 00:18:41.460 --> 00:18:41.780 missed it. 00:18:41.820 --> 00:18:42.680 There's enough of that. 00:18:42.820 --> 00:18:48.680 I think that, so I think if you can try to figure out the excellence factor with the 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:51.740 authenticity piece and have some humor, that's why sometimes humor works. 00:18:51.840 --> 00:18:52.960 Don't take yourself too seriously. 00:18:53.620 --> 00:18:56.740 You know, just have fun, lay back, you know, that helps break some of that. 00:18:57.180 --> 00:18:57.800 But it's attention. 00:18:58.020 --> 00:18:58.900 And we don't have it figured out. 00:18:59.000 --> 00:18:59.820 We're navigating to. 00:18:59.940 --> 00:19:02.840 So I'll say this, our students have nailed that. 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:06.160 Our kids have nailed the shooting stuff on their iPhone. 00:19:06.320 --> 00:19:08.180 They get away with murder or doing a bunch. 00:19:08.260 --> 00:19:08.960 Like, it's okay. 00:19:09.100 --> 00:19:10.540 Like, now's the time to do that. 00:19:10.980 --> 00:19:15.000 Get your student pastors on IG live answering questions, talking to your students. 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:17.400 Let your parents see that you're talking to their student pastor. 00:19:17.840 --> 00:19:20.620 Now's the time to milk all of that, for sure. 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:21.180 For sure. 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:22.480 That's good. 00:19:22.740 --> 00:19:28.480 What do you say to senior pastors who are afraid of living in that tension of, man, I want 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:32.000 to be me, but I don't think people are going to accept me for the real me because they want 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:32.640 stage me. 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:36.020 And so how do I now infiltrate this world of digital? 00:19:36.580 --> 00:19:40.500 But I'm afraid to, because once it all goes back to the norm, I can't take any of that 00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:40.700 back. 00:19:41.080 --> 00:19:41.240 Wow. 00:19:41.280 --> 00:19:42.140 Good question. 00:19:42.340 --> 00:19:43.260 That's a good question. 00:19:43.600 --> 00:19:45.040 We'll be right back after this break. 00:19:45.340 --> 00:19:45.740 All right. 00:19:46.980 --> 00:19:47.760 Sponsored by you. 00:19:47.760 --> 00:19:48.820 We are not sponsored. 00:19:49.660 --> 00:19:51.080 Get back in there, bro. 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:52.460 Stick it to him. 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:53.100 Yeah. 00:19:53.220 --> 00:19:55.480 Listen, you know, it's a leadership. 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.000 Again, Andy Stanley, I love the dude. 00:19:58.100 --> 00:19:58.800 I read this stuff. 00:19:58.900 --> 00:20:00.280 What leadership is influence. 00:20:00.360 --> 00:20:01.200 We know that, right? 00:20:02.040 --> 00:20:07.800 So, so the folks who say to leave influence on the table and to not use or to not. 00:20:07.860 --> 00:20:12.780 So again, from that question, the question to me came across twofold, that and the authenticity 00:20:12.780 --> 00:20:14.820 piece, but leverage social media. 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:15.620 Okay. 00:20:15.980 --> 00:20:18.160 Our church is not on TikTok because, oh, it's cool. 00:20:18.360 --> 00:20:22.280 It's because it's a voice and it's not going to connect with everybody, but there's a demographic 00:20:22.280 --> 00:20:26.760 that at some point we need to be the light in that dark little TikTok space. 00:20:26.760 --> 00:20:34.320 And so, so it's leveraging that and being present and be early adopter with it, jump in, don't 00:20:34.320 --> 00:20:36.540 be afraid, be present. 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.960 I mean, I, I tell people this all the time and I preach this to our team. 00:20:40.180 --> 00:20:48.320 You know, the porn industry has no hesitation in putting all their efforts in getting crap 00:20:48.320 --> 00:20:48.600 out. 00:20:48.740 --> 00:20:48.960 Right. 00:20:49.140 --> 00:20:52.380 And, you know, Europe, I don't know if you saw that they released, you know, one of the 00:20:52.380 --> 00:20:58.040 thriving porn sites gave away free accounts to all of Europe during the quarantine. 00:20:58.280 --> 00:20:59.020 That's horrible. 00:20:59.580 --> 00:20:59.820 Like that. 00:20:59.820 --> 00:21:00.240 Wait, really? 00:21:00.780 --> 00:21:01.080 Yeah. 00:21:01.280 --> 00:21:01.460 Yeah. 00:21:01.460 --> 00:21:01.600 Yeah. 00:21:01.600 --> 00:21:02.200 That's amazing. 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:03.560 That's horrible. 00:21:03.760 --> 00:21:04.200 I'm sorry. 00:21:04.520 --> 00:21:05.100 Wrong word. 00:21:05.320 --> 00:21:08.660 It's amazing that they would give that away economically, but what a horrible thing. 00:21:09.140 --> 00:21:10.260 I'm bringing it back. 00:21:11.140 --> 00:21:11.660 And cut. 00:21:12.040 --> 00:21:12.900 And cut. 00:21:13.360 --> 00:21:13.940 Yeah, I know. 00:21:13.980 --> 00:21:14.500 It's crazy. 00:21:14.780 --> 00:21:18.480 But again, just to go to show, like if the porn industry is giving up financially to get 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.460 people in, to sell them to their, why we should do the same. 00:21:22.560 --> 00:21:24.820 I mean, there's no reason we should leave influence. 00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:28.640 And listen, I think most of it, my dad's an example of this. 00:21:28.700 --> 00:21:33.580 My dad's a six-year-old pastor, man, pastor of the Church of Miami, does a great job, shepherd's 00:21:33.580 --> 00:21:33.800 heart. 00:21:35.140 --> 00:21:36.640 He's laid in the game with a lot of this. 00:21:36.740 --> 00:21:37.320 He navigates. 00:21:37.380 --> 00:21:38.080 He's got his iPhone. 00:21:38.180 --> 00:21:39.180 He knows how to go live here. 00:21:39.260 --> 00:21:39.740 He does this. 00:21:39.800 --> 00:21:40.760 He struggles through it. 00:21:40.940 --> 00:21:41.880 He'll shoot it this way. 00:21:41.980 --> 00:21:42.700 It's quirky. 00:21:43.380 --> 00:21:44.900 Quirky is better than nothing. 00:21:45.140 --> 00:21:45.320 Okay. 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:46.480 So go with quirky. 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:51.280 Two is also ask your grandson, ask your son, ask the neighbor. 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:53.640 Somebody there knows they're going to help you. 00:21:54.040 --> 00:21:55.440 And what a way to engage somebody else. 00:21:55.520 --> 00:21:56.020 Figure it out. 00:21:56.220 --> 00:21:57.280 Ask them over the phone. 00:21:57.360 --> 00:21:58.700 You don't have to go over lockdown. 00:21:58.940 --> 00:21:59.300 Call them. 00:21:59.440 --> 00:21:59.580 Figure. 00:22:00.100 --> 00:22:00.800 There's a way. 00:22:00.940 --> 00:22:01.760 I think don't let that. 00:22:02.140 --> 00:22:06.860 The authenticity, I think, man, the deeper question with that, I would challenge anybody. 00:22:06.980 --> 00:22:12.580 There shouldn't be the platform persona and then the, you know, me at dinner with my kids 00:22:12.580 --> 00:22:12.960 persona. 00:22:13.080 --> 00:22:13.940 It should be the same. 00:22:14.100 --> 00:22:18.280 You should be able to put a camera at the dinner table with your family and you should 00:22:18.280 --> 00:22:20.920 be okay to broadcast that to the world and pass it. 00:22:21.040 --> 00:22:23.220 I mean, again, that should be the case. 00:22:23.280 --> 00:22:23.800 We're not perfect. 00:22:23.940 --> 00:22:24.600 I'm not perfect. 00:22:24.820 --> 00:22:25.240 I know. 00:22:26.340 --> 00:22:30.940 But that should be a good, you know, barometer for us to try to figure out, man, there shouldn't 00:22:30.940 --> 00:22:31.500 be the difference. 00:22:31.820 --> 00:22:37.160 And I think people want to see your dog, your backyard that you maybe even cuss a little. 00:22:37.320 --> 00:22:37.820 I don't know. 00:22:38.020 --> 00:22:39.200 There's a sensor button for that. 00:22:39.280 --> 00:22:39.560 Beep. 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:41.780 I know Jeff cusses, but that's another episode. 00:22:42.220 --> 00:22:42.580 That's true. 00:22:42.800 --> 00:22:43.180 That's true. 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:48.240 Especially when it gets shoved in the mud while holding a camera by a high school brat 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:49.340 like 20 years ago. 00:22:49.460 --> 00:22:51.300 There may have been some cussing at that exact moment. 00:22:51.300 --> 00:22:52.160 We're going to talk about that. 00:22:52.560 --> 00:22:53.560 Oh, I'm sorry. 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:54.820 I brought it back. 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:56.280 That's another podcast. 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:58.620 That's a different one. 00:22:59.000 --> 00:22:59.500 Did that answer? 00:22:59.960 --> 00:23:01.140 Ray, did that answer the question? 00:23:01.260 --> 00:23:01.900 Kind of? 00:23:01.900 --> 00:23:02.660 I know I'm preaching. 00:23:02.860 --> 00:23:04.460 Yeah, I'm preaching a little bit, but yeah. 00:23:04.460 --> 00:23:05.580 No, 100%. 00:23:05.580 --> 00:23:06.720 Because here's the thing. 00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:10.560 Like, as we've entered this era, some pastors are feeling more and more comfortable with taking 00:23:10.560 --> 00:23:12.160 their stuff online, which is fantastic. 00:23:12.300 --> 00:23:12.960 We'd like to see that. 00:23:13.020 --> 00:23:13.620 We want to hear that. 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:17.420 But a lot of them are scared because they're not some of the personalities that we're mentioning. 00:23:17.560 --> 00:23:18.500 They're not a Craig Rochelle. 00:23:18.600 --> 00:23:22.780 They're not a Stephen Furtick, who at this point are more than comfortable to just flip 00:23:22.780 --> 00:23:23.820 it on the camera and going. 00:23:24.140 --> 00:23:24.780 That's a great irony. 00:23:24.780 --> 00:23:28.880 It's like they've got this platform, but they're not afraid to risk it for the sense of being authentic 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:34.340 versus pastors who have a smaller platform that are like, well, it's almost like we're dealing 00:23:34.340 --> 00:23:35.720 with a parable of the talent situation. 00:23:35.840 --> 00:23:39.600 I've got this one talent, and yeah, that guy's got five, but I'm afraid to risk this one, 00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:40.400 so I'm going to bury it. 00:23:40.620 --> 00:23:41.700 Yeah, that's good. 00:23:41.940 --> 00:23:42.320 That's good. 00:23:42.740 --> 00:23:44.140 One of the things that I've loved. 00:23:44.520 --> 00:23:45.080 Go ahead, Eris. 00:23:45.120 --> 00:23:45.480 You talk. 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:46.320 No, no, no. 00:23:46.320 --> 00:23:47.140 Just one last point. 00:23:47.300 --> 00:23:48.780 And it's a good opportunity, too. 00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:51.280 It's like they say you're just so not comfortable and you don't want to. 00:23:52.340 --> 00:23:53.560 Maybe you set somebody up. 00:23:53.620 --> 00:23:55.920 Maybe it's senior pastor and you're not comfortable at all. 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:57.700 Bring your student guy. 00:23:57.700 --> 00:23:59.320 Bring somebody next to you. 00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:04.340 Is it time to pass the baton digitally and let them own and carry the vision of the church? 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:06.080 And I'm not saying give up your senior pastor. 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:08.300 Don't get crazy now, student pastors. 00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:09.980 But collaborate. 00:24:10.300 --> 00:24:10.880 Figure out. 00:24:10.980 --> 00:24:11.540 Do a panel. 00:24:11.660 --> 00:24:12.280 Do Q&A. 00:24:12.600 --> 00:24:14.640 Bring your wife on board or bring your kids. 00:24:15.020 --> 00:24:17.280 I think there's different ways to even Q&A. 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:18.720 Get questions from your congregation. 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:20.840 Don't feel like, oh, I can't preach a sermon to an empty room. 00:24:21.340 --> 00:24:22.240 You can figure it out. 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:28.880 I think that we always kind of have to get over ourselves and kind of figure that out because I think you leave a lot on the table. 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:37.660 I think there's a lot of other influencers out there not preaching the good news, not doing good for humanity that are very aggressive about figuring it out. 00:24:37.800 --> 00:24:38.800 So I think we need to figure it out. 00:24:39.120 --> 00:24:39.300 Sorry. 00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:39.760 Go ahead, John. 00:24:40.420 --> 00:24:49.880 No, and that actually leads in exactly what I was going to say is I can tell you several churches in this season that the pastor is preaching an abbreviated message on Sunday. 00:24:50.020 --> 00:24:53.560 He's trying to get in there the 20-minute, 25-minute for the message. 00:24:53.680 --> 00:25:16.040 But then what's happening as a result of that with some of his spare time is he's in the process of going through another complete sermon series almost, five-minute video sermonettes during the week, Monday through Friday at night, putting it on Facebook Live or something like that, even starting to see, hey, let's loop in student guide. 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:18.460 Let's loop in campus pastor who doesn't preach. 00:25:18.800 --> 00:25:22.900 Let's start to loop in other people to kind of speak into this. 00:25:22.900 --> 00:25:37.600 This is a great opportunity, I think, for the church at all to grow entirely, not for one man to exude his spiritual gifts on one platform, but allow others the opportunity to grow and to do ministry in this. 00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:42.980 You know, and in some situations, it's not like there's a lot of other things that are going on. 00:25:43.080 --> 00:25:45.860 Allow other people to prep and speak into it. 00:25:45.940 --> 00:25:46.620 What do you think, Eridus? 00:25:47.040 --> 00:25:48.480 Yeah, no, I agree. 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:50.500 And that's a good point. 00:25:50.620 --> 00:25:55.480 In our Easter conversation, and to go back to the first question, we've been very intentional. 00:25:55.760 --> 00:25:59.420 It's still this, you know, people gave us an hour on Sunday. 00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:02.060 Now, no doubt, they're bored at home now. 00:26:02.140 --> 00:26:05.860 They're trying to figure out between Disney+, Netflix, Hulu, and whatever is available. 00:26:06.280 --> 00:26:11.480 So they may give us more hours now, but I would still plan for the good hour. 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:13.940 What's the hour as far as content? 00:26:14.120 --> 00:26:28.160 We're planning our Easter to try to include element for kids, representation of our student pastors in that hour, so that if it's almost a family service, if you sit down with your family to watch this service, you kind of get a taste from those people, the personalities. 00:26:28.840 --> 00:26:37.680 So we're navigating that because I still feel like it's wishful thinking to think that they're going to watch an hour service, attend a group online, then watch resources for kids, and boom. 00:26:37.800 --> 00:26:45.980 I mean, it can navigate that way if the content, that's when content does matter, and the more gripping it is, especially with kids, they're used to. 00:26:46.320 --> 00:26:54.000 They're used to the colors and the sound of Disney, and it's hard to compete with that, but it's possible, and there's a lot of great free resources out there. 00:26:54.060 --> 00:27:00.080 Jeff's got a billion recommended for you, but I think it's figuring out, do well with that hour. 00:27:00.320 --> 00:27:13.960 Less is more, but then figure that hour out and point them to that hour to try to engage, and then figure out the rest, the calls, the FaceTime, the Zoom calls, the Google Hangouts, the whatever you're doing, the Facebook groups to keep them engaged, talking, opening up, and praying together. 00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:14.960 So anyway, that's all. 00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:15.740 That's good. 00:27:16.520 --> 00:27:29.660 You know, some of the things that we're trying to figure through, and we're learning from Disney Channel, is how to help create that kind of interesting excitement going into Easter, where we're even talking about, hey, so we're going to give you printouts for watch parties, kind of like what they do. 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:31.420 And it's like, hey, High School Musical 2 is coming out. 00:27:31.780 --> 00:27:32.440 Post your own deal. 00:27:32.500 --> 00:27:37.580 And obviously, people can get together, but we're even like, all right, so how do we get this kid space? 00:27:37.580 --> 00:27:42.620 You guys are looking to leverage, which I've not heard from any church, that one hour for the whole spectrum. 00:27:43.260 --> 00:27:43.960 That's what we're trying to do. 00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:49.080 Yeah, and I'll tell you this, there's two things. 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:51.240 There's also a parallel conversation going on. 00:27:51.940 --> 00:28:01.520 A lot of churches tried this, I think, this past weekend, but the whole drive-in, the whole drive-in church scenario, I'm sure that's a whole other paradigm, a whole other thing that's happening. 00:28:02.060 --> 00:28:06.280 We saw four or five churches did it this weekend, and I think, is it more buzzworthy? 00:28:06.540 --> 00:28:08.680 Is it more just so the news station can cover it? 00:28:08.860 --> 00:28:09.920 Sure, and I'm all about that. 00:28:10.040 --> 00:28:14.200 I'm all about the press release and the headline and getting, you know, there's strategies for that. 00:28:14.220 --> 00:28:16.660 That I love exploring, because I said, I want to be on the headline news. 00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:19.640 Yes, I do, you know, because I think that helps get the gospel out. 00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:26.420 But two is, we're trying to figure out, we had a series, and I'll tell you kind of something that we had to can and trash. 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:30.360 The kids had a series leading up to Easter called Tag, You're It, okay? 00:28:30.580 --> 00:28:35.380 We had a little invite card with a little hand, you know, like the little foam hands, the foam hands, number one. 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:37.780 We had a little invite card that had tag. 00:28:37.780 --> 00:28:42.920 It was great, because people, they would write the name of the person they're inviting, and they would give it to their friend. 00:28:43.020 --> 00:28:44.400 Tag, You're It, right? 00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:45.780 Campaign. 00:28:46.220 --> 00:28:50.220 Now, we had to can that, as far as physically, because there's no tagging going around. 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:53.100 There's no, you know, but now we're reworking. 00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:53.700 This is weak. 00:28:54.120 --> 00:28:56.360 Do we do hashtag You're It, right? 00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:58.400 Is there a place to do hashtag You're It? 00:28:58.860 --> 00:29:02.800 Or find, we're trying to figure that out of how to do, now the kid demographic is different. 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:04.420 Do we engage the parents then? 00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:05.420 That's why that came. 00:29:05.420 --> 00:29:10.200 We got to engage the parents to engage the kids, because the kids are not necessarily searching through Instagram. 00:29:10.340 --> 00:29:12.800 It depends what age, but the audience we're looking for. 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:20.780 So we're trying to figure, leading up to Easter, how does the invite look, and get, and if you could put all your eggs on one basket, it's like, let's push into that hour. 00:29:21.140 --> 00:29:27.400 Let's make that hour the best, as all-inclusive as we can, and then the aftermath of that is like, yeah, you want more of this? 00:29:27.500 --> 00:29:29.240 Yeah, we got zone, which is kids. 00:29:29.420 --> 00:29:30.140 You want students? 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:30.840 We got this. 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:32.900 We've got, you want couples and marriage? 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.840 Then there's the aftermath of we're here for you. 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:36.260 Like I said earlier, we're here to help. 00:29:36.860 --> 00:29:38.720 You know, here's how to help, and here's our solution, right? 00:29:38.780 --> 00:29:40.320 Here's how we can help you. 00:29:40.620 --> 00:29:41.780 So we're still navigating all that. 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:46.940 We don't have all the answers, but by the time you hear this, pull us up, gfcflorida.com. 00:29:47.580 --> 00:29:48.480 You'll see what we did. 00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:49.340 That's good. 00:29:50.280 --> 00:29:55.600 One of the things that you talked about with us earlier is how you guys were able to engage folks on the giving front in this time. 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:01.340 And speaking from experience, a lot of churches, this is something that every church has a big old question mark on their head. 00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:03.280 They're like, man, we can't pass the bucket this past weekend. 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.900 You know, some of our people, they're engaging for the first time with online giving. 00:30:07.460 --> 00:30:09.100 How else can we engage our people? 00:30:09.780 --> 00:30:13.200 No, it's a good, relevant, and important question for sure. 00:30:13.940 --> 00:30:18.900 No doubt, I think when people are, just look at the lines at the gun stores, right? 00:30:18.940 --> 00:30:19.780 There's a fear. 00:30:20.080 --> 00:30:20.960 There's a hoarding. 00:30:21.120 --> 00:30:22.600 There's like, the zombies are coming. 00:30:22.820 --> 00:30:30.560 So there's a weird, so there's a natural bunker down, stock up, and God calls us still to spirit of generosity, right? 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:34.200 So there's, so how do you, so for us, it's two things we've looked at. 00:30:34.420 --> 00:30:40.640 We don't want to come across like a telethon coming across and right now call this number and you do this and you do that. 00:30:40.940 --> 00:30:44.900 There's that tension because it could be, remember, people are watching us for the first time. 00:30:45.620 --> 00:30:49.460 There's still that, and that's important because this is a witnessing and evangelistic tool. 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:54.100 The other part of it is, how do you leverage the existing core? 00:30:54.760 --> 00:30:56.820 So we've, our team's been working on the following. 00:30:57.560 --> 00:30:58.420 We've looked at the list. 00:30:58.620 --> 00:31:01.880 Who are folks who have given for the first time in the last three months? 00:31:02.040 --> 00:31:02.720 For the first time. 00:31:03.220 --> 00:31:09.620 Okay, there's an email and a text message drafted strategically to them and saying, hey, we just want to say thank you. 00:31:09.740 --> 00:31:12.460 Your $20 gift has allowed us to do A, B, and C. 00:31:13.120 --> 00:31:16.400 And then now's the time to give again. 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:18.720 We're not meeting physically, but blah, blah, blah. 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:20.860 And I can just, and it gives you, here's where you can click. 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:26.340 And again, these are obviously personalized emails with their names and all the tools that are available out there. 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:27.460 So that's one. 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:29.780 Then there's the ones, the folks who are reoccurring givers. 00:31:30.500 --> 00:31:33.280 Okay, and how do you communicate to them saying thank you? 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.780 Sometimes the best ask is saying thank you, right? 00:31:36.940 --> 00:31:38.320 And specific thank you. 00:31:38.600 --> 00:31:40.980 Hey, we just want to let you know that because of you, A, B, C, and D. 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:42.160 I'll tell you this. 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.160 This is one thing we're leveraging. 00:31:43.300 --> 00:31:44.200 I'm just spewing now. 00:31:44.600 --> 00:31:47.400 We were able to help four churches this past weekend do church online. 00:31:47.580 --> 00:31:49.780 Okay, as Grace Family Church, we helped four churches. 00:31:50.280 --> 00:31:52.640 We're letting our congregation know that, right? 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:53.560 That's Kingdom Vision. 00:31:53.740 --> 00:31:54.160 That's us. 00:31:54.220 --> 00:31:55.580 Hey, it's not even just about us. 00:31:56.060 --> 00:31:57.820 It's about getting this word out. 00:31:57.820 --> 00:32:04.100 It's about helping our friends and those – and that helps the folks who's reoccurring givers say, hey, here's what you're doing. 00:32:04.660 --> 00:32:05.340 It's because of you. 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:06.960 We can keep the internet going and strong. 00:32:07.060 --> 00:32:10.860 It's because of you that we got the staff that can – so that's – it's very targeted. 00:32:11.120 --> 00:32:12.100 It's very targeted. 00:32:12.500 --> 00:32:17.360 On the surface level, we say, hey, if you've never given, this is how you can do it. 00:32:17.420 --> 00:32:17.960 Spell it out. 00:32:18.040 --> 00:32:20.280 We did the video explaining exactly how to do it. 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:25.020 That can come across sometimes a little, like, you know, left turn. 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:26.300 It's necessary. 00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:39.900 I think those are conversations you have with CFOs and with senior pastors saying, hey, the tact and who we're trying to reach and who – because some of it's like, listen, if we're worried about 20 people and they're the donors and they're the ones, guess what? 00:32:39.940 --> 00:32:42.100 We can still pick up the phone and we can call them. 00:32:42.560 --> 00:32:44.040 Like, seriously, there's still that. 00:32:44.120 --> 00:32:45.280 We can still make phone calls. 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:51.240 You know, that's still not – so we've been leveraging a little bit of a blanket of all and really thinking long-term. 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:58.520 There's the now, playing this now game of how do we partner with people, but the long-term game of, like, we're introducing people to the church. 00:32:59.080 --> 00:32:59.900 People need Jesus. 00:33:00.340 --> 00:33:03.060 Well, are we scaring them away from our buildings with everything we're doing? 00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:11.900 Or are we saying, hey, these guys are actually pretty normal, they talk like real people, they look somewhat normal, maybe they'll come after. 00:33:12.100 --> 00:33:15.160 So that's just our initial thoughts. 00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:16.840 Oh, but that's solid. 00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:17.460 That's solid. 00:33:17.460 --> 00:33:29.400 And that's probably a lot more than what a lot of churches are doing in the sense of engaging their people because there's – I don't even want to call it an inherent guilt, but really there's a fear of engaging givers in this kind of way because of what you're talking about with the telethon thing. 00:33:29.580 --> 00:33:35.080 And, hey, we want people to be generous, but we're afraid to ask, and that's why we only talk about giving, like, once a year. 00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:40.740 But at the same time, we're afraid that if we don't talk about it, our church doors are going to close by the time that the virus thing is up and left us. 00:33:41.360 --> 00:33:41.440 Right. 00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:45.860 No, and there's tons – obviously, there's tons of studies to be done on this that have been done. 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.760 The age of the giver matters how you talk to them. 00:33:50.100 --> 00:33:51.040 There's all of that, right? 00:33:51.040 --> 00:33:55.560 And then also, if they're watching the news and people are losing their jobs, guess what? 00:33:56.020 --> 00:33:57.360 We need to talk about benevolence too. 00:33:57.580 --> 00:33:58.060 We're the church. 00:33:58.160 --> 00:33:59.020 How are we doing that? 00:33:59.580 --> 00:34:01.580 Okay, so it's not just boop, boop, boop. 00:34:01.800 --> 00:34:04.460 I think we need to come in and say, hey, we're here for you. 00:34:04.780 --> 00:34:05.640 You know, we're doing that too. 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.360 We're serving the elderly doing this. 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.320 Hey, if you have a benevolence request, text this and do this. 00:34:11.040 --> 00:34:16.980 Those offers of benevolence, reverse psychology, are also helping – you know what, man? 00:34:16.980 --> 00:34:17.780 I need to give something. 00:34:17.780 --> 00:34:18.920 These people are helping that. 00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:23.580 I can't go myself, but if I give 20 or if I stick to my tithe. 00:34:23.860 --> 00:34:27.060 So I think there's just – it's a sincere – we can't make you do anything. 00:34:27.140 --> 00:34:30.560 But if you're church, if that's the heart of your church and what you're doing, find those things to serve. 00:34:30.700 --> 00:34:31.320 That hasn't changed. 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:32.780 We've got to find ways to serve our community. 00:34:33.160 --> 00:34:34.540 We've got to find ways to serve our people. 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:36.900 We have our staff on the phones, man. 00:34:36.940 --> 00:34:38.400 We broke down the list of everybody. 00:34:39.100 --> 00:34:40.420 We're calling our folks, checking in. 00:34:40.660 --> 00:34:41.160 If you need anything. 00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:42.520 I'm just here to pray. 00:34:42.600 --> 00:34:43.240 Can I pray for you? 00:34:43.580 --> 00:34:45.580 And then we get back and we're praying on Google Hangouts. 00:34:45.640 --> 00:34:46.400 We're praying over the phone. 00:34:47.220 --> 00:34:49.920 I think we've just got to find different ways to serve as a result. 00:34:50.120 --> 00:34:51.580 And then, obviously, then you trust God, right? 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:53.080 God's not surprised by all this. 00:34:53.160 --> 00:34:54.020 He's not freaking out. 00:34:54.160 --> 00:34:54.560 He's not. 00:34:55.060 --> 00:34:59.460 You trust God in all of this and that that he's going to provide and that his people. 00:34:59.740 --> 00:35:01.880 The money's always been there, and he owns it all. 00:35:02.600 --> 00:35:03.140 That's good. 00:35:04.080 --> 00:35:09.960 Let me ask you a question, and let's shift gears back to the actual service because I'm just curious. 00:35:11.600 --> 00:35:14.240 Are you guys aiming for, like, your Easter service? 00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:18.100 Are you aiming for a typical 70 minutes, 60, 40, 30? 00:35:18.720 --> 00:35:22.980 Like, what do you guys think when you're looking at that Easter service? 00:35:23.140 --> 00:35:25.420 What is the actual flow and feel of it? 00:35:25.520 --> 00:35:26.400 What are you aiming for? 00:35:27.080 --> 00:35:33.320 Okay, so based on analytics from the past two years and then the analytics from the past two weeks, okay, 00:35:33.700 --> 00:35:36.720 we are looking at drop-off rates, engagement plays. 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:37.820 Where are they watching? 00:35:37.940 --> 00:35:38.600 Where are they dropping? 00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:39.320 Where do they care? 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:40.360 Where do they fast-forward to? 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:43.480 So, everywhere we can get those analytics, we're studying them. 00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:47.460 As of right now, that's gotten us to a 45-minute service, okay? 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:48.780 That's where we are right now. 00:35:49.140 --> 00:35:53.700 So, it's not your traditional six songs on the front end, and one, because the environment's different. 00:35:54.340 --> 00:35:56.420 It's not conducive to this extended. 00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:02.800 One, because we're aware that we're trying to be very evangelistic to the new folks as well, okay? 00:36:02.860 --> 00:36:04.340 Easter is a gospel presentation. 00:36:04.520 --> 00:36:06.440 It's what happened on the cross and why it matters. 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:07.060 So, we know that. 00:36:07.060 --> 00:36:07.780 It always is. 00:36:08.120 --> 00:36:09.060 Now, it's even more. 00:36:09.520 --> 00:36:11.060 So, therefore, we think less is more. 00:36:11.340 --> 00:36:17.280 And even those 45 minutes, we're trying to make it engaging, different locations, fast-moving. 00:36:17.540 --> 00:36:22.480 The breaks are intentional, so they're not commercials, but they're also conducive transitions. 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:24.140 That's where we are now. 00:36:24.540 --> 00:36:25.740 It's going to take some work. 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.940 You know, we're actually in the middle of that right now, shooting some stuff tomorrow, next week, talking. 00:36:31.460 --> 00:36:33.440 Oh, and the other thing, how do we engage all the campus? 00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:37.480 Every campus pastor wants, should be a part of it, should they, should they not, all the stuff. 00:36:38.200 --> 00:36:39.660 So, we're finding creative ways. 00:36:39.740 --> 00:36:40.440 Do they make a cameo? 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:42.700 Is there a funny video here that we could do that includes them? 00:36:43.220 --> 00:36:43.580 Check. 00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:44.480 And it's important. 00:36:44.640 --> 00:36:46.020 People want to see their leaders. 00:36:46.140 --> 00:36:47.140 They want to see their pastor. 00:36:47.260 --> 00:36:50.240 They want to see their – so, we're trying to find creative ways to do that. 00:36:50.240 --> 00:36:55.160 But we feel like after – this is for us, and I say, you know, different audiences, different places. 00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:01.840 For us, 45 minutes of a great – it's easier to watch because even that's long, okay, 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.160 because we're in a YouTube under 10-minute generation situation, right? 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:06.360 I think even that's long. 00:37:06.560 --> 00:37:12.060 But 45 for an Easter experience celebration, and then it's easy to share, too, 00:37:12.240 --> 00:37:15.480 because I think it's easy for them to – how do you make it where it's very easy for them to, like, 00:37:15.500 --> 00:37:17.100 hey, pass this on, get this, too. 00:37:17.160 --> 00:37:17.960 But that's where we are right now. 00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:21.260 Like, yeah, you just gave some creative director a heart attack. 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:25.920 They're already planning 90 minutes, you know, an extended Easter service. 00:37:26.660 --> 00:37:28.120 And you just cut that crap in half. 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.040 Listen, the past two weeks, we already – I know, we freaked our team out. 00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:34.560 But, again, it's work and it's quality, too, right? 00:37:34.700 --> 00:37:38.920 We went from six – we typically do six songs, five to six on a week, and we went to three already. 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:44.320 I mean, off the bat, we knew that three is the new normal for us. 00:37:44.580 --> 00:37:46.700 But then how do we – how is it mixed? 00:37:47.040 --> 00:37:47.860 How does it look? 00:37:48.240 --> 00:37:49.540 How are the lyric interactions? 00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:52.240 Like, are we doing something – we did something – we tried something different with lyrics, 00:37:52.340 --> 00:37:56.060 where it filled the screen, but with video, and we're still messing with that. 00:37:56.380 --> 00:38:01.880 But I think to just reproduce the normal is easier, for sure. 00:38:02.300 --> 00:38:02.800 It is. 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:03.460 Okay? 00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:10.720 But really think of the family sitting in the living room or sitting in their bed and really speaking to them. 00:38:11.060 --> 00:38:12.920 And really, like, really – because that's how they're watching it. 00:38:13.140 --> 00:38:16.060 I mean, I think we lie to ourselves that they gather and they dress up. 00:38:16.420 --> 00:38:16.880 And that's cool. 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.540 If that's how – the motto you pushed, awesome. 00:38:19.740 --> 00:38:22.980 Like, I think in general terms, I think that's how people are watching. 00:38:23.040 --> 00:38:23.760 In their pajamas. 00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:25.700 Some of their cooking while they're watching. 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:29.460 So it's being real about, for now, that experience and then how that grows 00:38:29.460 --> 00:38:32.720 and evolves into something different and something, you know, more improved. 00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:40.340 So if somebody's getting started trying to figure out how to do church online, maybe they're – 00:38:40.340 --> 00:38:45.360 you know, a lot of what we're dealing with with the Church Digital is a lot of small, medium-sized churches. 00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:49.100 They're now just really going to ask questions as a result of coronavirus. 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:51.980 And they're wrestling with – 00:38:51.980 --> 00:38:51.980 What? 00:38:52.080 --> 00:38:52.360 Easter? 00:38:52.540 --> 00:38:53.600 Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. 00:38:53.620 --> 00:38:54.040 Call Jeff. 00:38:54.200 --> 00:38:55.720 Full number right here and call Jeff. 00:38:57.880 --> 00:38:59.100 Yeah, that's what I would do. 00:38:59.100 --> 00:39:00.520 I got enough of those people. 00:39:03.140 --> 00:39:06.980 So there's a lot of people who are starting out in this world, man. 00:39:07.160 --> 00:39:09.460 I mean, God bless them for trying to figure it out. 00:39:10.640 --> 00:39:12.080 What's a good place to start? 00:39:12.300 --> 00:39:13.660 Like, don't do the Jeff thing. 00:39:14.200 --> 00:39:15.260 What's a good place to start? 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:16.400 Hey, I was joking. 00:39:16.780 --> 00:39:17.680 You've been great, man. 00:39:17.720 --> 00:39:18.420 You've been resourceful. 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:19.460 I've sent some people your way. 00:39:19.700 --> 00:39:23.240 I still send – you know, you've been very generous with the information, with the links. 00:39:23.300 --> 00:39:27.360 There's so much out there that you've done the research, the writing on, and spent the time. 00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.240 You've been at it for decades and decades and decades. 00:39:30.380 --> 00:39:30.480 I'm kidding. 00:39:30.540 --> 00:39:31.460 I make you sound like they're older. 00:39:31.520 --> 00:39:34.100 Since the time of the – 00:39:34.100 --> 00:39:36.020 It was either Al Gore invented the internet. 00:39:36.140 --> 00:39:37.140 I'm not sure which one. 00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:39.360 We constantly fight about that in a regular basis. 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:39.940 You're right there, bro. 00:39:40.020 --> 00:39:40.720 He's doing more culture. 00:39:40.720 --> 00:39:42.120 You see how he's avoiding the question? 00:39:42.260 --> 00:39:44.860 He is literally avoiding the question at this point. 00:39:44.860 --> 00:39:45.500 I'm really avoiding it. 00:39:45.500 --> 00:39:45.640 Yeah. 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.240 No, that's a great – listen. 00:39:48.700 --> 00:39:51.720 I think this – it goes back a little bit. 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:55.260 If I sincerely – like, I helped my dad this week into church online for the first time. 00:39:55.720 --> 00:39:59.860 It's one spectrum and I've helped some folks that have smaller churches. 00:40:00.340 --> 00:40:05.920 I think it's – don't expect to be the expert now and don't like, oh my God, I've got to research and try. 00:40:06.020 --> 00:40:06.160 No. 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:08.500 But this is the leadership principle. 00:40:08.640 --> 00:40:08.900 Fine. 00:40:09.260 --> 00:40:13.300 Go lock arms with somebody, with somebody younger typically because they got a smarter phone than you. 00:40:13.380 --> 00:40:13.740 That's why. 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:16.140 The only reason they're smarter is because their phones may be a little better. 00:40:16.980 --> 00:40:18.800 And find somebody who's got a phone. 00:40:19.040 --> 00:40:20.100 You can do this on a phone. 00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:21.580 On a phone. 00:40:21.820 --> 00:40:23.320 And not even – you don't even stand for it. 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:24.460 Lean it up against something. 00:40:24.560 --> 00:40:26.540 I mean, there are really simple ways. 00:40:27.080 --> 00:40:30.400 But I think even to put the pressure on yourself, I think it's break out of that. 00:40:30.860 --> 00:40:31.140 It's no. 00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:32.020 Find someone. 00:40:32.140 --> 00:40:32.860 Find somebody younger. 00:40:33.560 --> 00:40:34.300 Develop that. 00:40:34.460 --> 00:40:35.140 And then guess what? 00:40:35.200 --> 00:40:36.340 There's ministry happening there. 00:40:36.740 --> 00:40:37.940 Oh, but I can't get out of the house. 00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:40.340 We can figure something out. 00:40:40.420 --> 00:40:41.480 Listen, I'll give you an example. 00:40:41.620 --> 00:40:43.800 My dad is shooting a video on his phone by himself. 00:40:44.240 --> 00:40:44.880 From Miami. 00:40:45.700 --> 00:40:46.060 Okay? 00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:47.960 He is WhatsApp-ing it to me. 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:51.800 I told him, dad, you got to preach under 10 minutes because WhatsApp only takes 10-minute videos. 00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:53.620 He's WhatsApp-ing it over to me. 00:40:54.560 --> 00:40:54.880 Okay? 00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:59.600 I'm going to overlay some little graphic and a song that's boom. 00:40:59.600 --> 00:41:02.120 I use Videorama and iMovie on my phone. 00:41:02.700 --> 00:41:03.220 All phone. 00:41:03.860 --> 00:41:05.500 Videorama and iMovie on my phone. 00:41:06.140 --> 00:41:07.120 Send it back to him. 00:41:07.160 --> 00:41:10.300 Or probably – I think we talked about him giving you the credentials to his Facebook. 00:41:10.940 --> 00:41:11.460 Log in. 00:41:11.820 --> 00:41:12.140 Post. 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:13.040 Good. 00:41:13.720 --> 00:41:15.980 I mean, so he's leaning in. 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:17.720 I'm leaning in to other folks. 00:41:17.860 --> 00:41:21.080 I don't – I'm on TikTok, but I don't care less, and I don't know. 00:41:21.180 --> 00:41:21.720 I'm leaning in. 00:41:21.780 --> 00:41:22.860 I'm going to, hey, do something with this. 00:41:23.600 --> 00:41:25.380 We need to get – give it – I think give it away. 00:41:25.460 --> 00:41:28.900 Give ministry away, I think, in return from a tech. 00:41:29.260 --> 00:41:31.180 And then call Jeff when you don't know anything else. 00:41:33.180 --> 00:41:41.560 The Easter service is a key component, but what happens a lot of times, and Meredith, you touched on it briefly with the follow-up and the accountability of working with staffs. 00:41:41.560 --> 00:41:48.220 And so, like, I just wanted to talk about, maybe as we're walking into this Easter service, what does follow-up look like? 00:41:48.220 --> 00:41:52.480 What is – how do we engage with first-time guests, visitors? 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:54.460 How do we even figure out who these people are? 00:41:54.680 --> 00:41:58.360 How do we discover who people are that are watching the broadcast? 00:41:58.780 --> 00:42:04.280 And, you know, Ray, at Christ Fellowship Miami, you guys have done a lot of interesting things along those lines as well. 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:13.560 And so, I'd love to maybe just hear from both you guys what that discovery process looks like, what follow-up can look like, how to get them connected into next steps. 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:23.340 Like, Easter is only as good as what happens the next week, and the ability for us to funnel people into, you know, a discipleship process is key. 00:42:23.520 --> 00:42:27.360 So, you know, what could that look like centered here around some of these Easter services? 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:29.360 I'll let you go first, Ray. 00:42:29.700 --> 00:42:37.620 Yeah, you know, for us, it's been – and we talked about this before, and maybe some of you checked out the article that I wrote about this on Jeff's – on the site. 00:42:38.180 --> 00:42:49.160 We have a singular digital connection card that we try to funnel them through that's available – that we put in the broadcast maybe about three times, like I preach about this connection card in the broadcast. 00:42:49.660 --> 00:42:54.520 We do an intro, a mid-tro, and an outro, which a lot of you probably – especially if you've been doing an online service, you probably do. 00:42:54.540 --> 00:43:00.800 You probably do, like, a small 20-second spill to kick off the service, something in between, and then something to close. 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:16.240 And in each of those things, I am pushing our URL, which is cfmiami.org slash online, and I'm telling them to fill out a connection card there at the website for any kind of next step, whether it's a prayer request, whether it's, you know, hey, I want to get connected to a group, I want to take our one-on-one class, whatever. 00:43:16.700 --> 00:43:28.060 This way, if they're watching it on YouTube, if they're watching it on our website, if they're watching it on Church Online platform, if they're checking it out on Facebook Live, they're all getting the same message that after the broadcast that they need to go fill out that connection card. 00:43:28.060 --> 00:43:32.460 We offer a free gift, which is a download of, like, one of our worship team's songs. 00:43:33.020 --> 00:43:37.560 This way, we can kind of be similar to what we do in our regular in-person services where we offer a gift. 00:43:38.060 --> 00:43:42.320 So I can't – especially with finances the way that they are, we have people that are watching us around the world sometimes. 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:47.560 I can't ship a mug to the opposite side of the planet just because that would probably, like, kill, like, a lot of my budget. 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:53.200 But what I can do is I can give them instantly a free download in that moment. 00:43:53.640 --> 00:43:55.860 And one of the things – you know, it doesn't have to be a song. 00:43:55.860 --> 00:43:59.080 So your worship team – you know, you may not have a worship team that's recorded original music. 00:43:59.180 --> 00:43:59.380 Cool. 00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:04.520 Have your pastor write, like, here are three spiritual ways, you know, that you can engage God. 00:44:04.620 --> 00:44:06.520 Turn it into a PDF and offer that as a download. 00:44:07.100 --> 00:44:14.060 You know, when we were kids and I would listen to, you know, a pastor on the radio, they would say things like, hey, if we send $5 here, John MacArthur will send you a book. 00:44:14.620 --> 00:44:14.900 Great. 00:44:15.020 --> 00:44:18.660 Create a digital form of that, offer it for free, and give it away. 00:44:19.300 --> 00:44:22.100 That, honestly, to me, it's a great way to connect with people. 00:44:22.200 --> 00:44:25.600 The same strategy that you use for your in-person services, use online. 00:44:25.740 --> 00:44:26.820 That's worked out great for us. 00:44:27.660 --> 00:44:28.420 That's good stuff. 00:44:29.420 --> 00:44:35.880 You know, and something our team's working on along the same lines, Ray, I'm hoping we can execute by then, is really trying to reach. 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:40.660 And I'm in that demographic now because I've got four young kids under age, four boys under age. 00:44:40.820 --> 00:44:43.660 So my wife's my hero, crazy town. 00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:51.900 So if you could resource myself, my wife and I, with stuff to talk about, color, draw, boom, I mean, you name it, a schedule. 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.760 So we're talking about how do you resource the cabin fever, like how do you resource the games. 00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:03.460 But all, again, with purpose, right, because it serves as we're providing the tool, it's Bible lessons, it's color. 00:45:03.820 --> 00:45:06.300 So they're navigating some of that to provide as a download. 00:45:06.420 --> 00:45:15.220 Hey, parents, click here to download A, B, C, and D, a schedule for this week, a game ideas, blank, you know, Wednesdays, you know, family fun night on Fridays, all this stuff that. 00:45:15.500 --> 00:45:17.320 So I'm hoping it comes out because I need it. 00:45:17.520 --> 00:45:28.080 So another thing is this, sometimes we forget that in social media, that email and text are a huge still part of social media, like huge, huge. 00:45:28.080 --> 00:45:32.740 Sometimes we just think it's, yeah, we think it's just, oh, it's just, you know, Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. 00:45:33.340 --> 00:45:39.060 But, man, so I think we've been leveraging tons and our older demographic with text and email. 00:45:39.260 --> 00:45:41.580 They're still, and we're looking at how do we write better emails. 00:45:41.900 --> 00:45:44.460 It's a great time to figure out how to write better emails. 00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:45.100 That's right. 00:45:45.160 --> 00:45:45.600 What matters. 00:45:45.740 --> 00:45:52.440 You know, Donald Miller talks, you know, if you've never done his marketing course, it's the subject, it's the first line, and it's the PS. 00:45:53.200 --> 00:45:53.980 Those are the three things. 00:45:54.140 --> 00:46:02.140 Like, so for us, it's like, okay, how do we write these emails so they actually get read, so they actually get clicked on, so they actually get, because, you know, you can tell through analytics and all that if they're doing that. 00:46:02.140 --> 00:46:09.000 So we're really spending some time on engaging there, and the text message ratio of how to get people, you know, asking questions. 00:46:09.100 --> 00:46:10.780 Boom, we're trying to open a concierge service. 00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.840 So instead of calling the front line, how do they text in, I need prayer this, I need that. 00:46:14.900 --> 00:46:15.580 Is there service? 00:46:16.160 --> 00:46:18.200 So there's a 24-7 receptionist. 00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:18.980 That's good. 00:46:19.240 --> 00:46:21.700 Helping them answer questions and do what they do. 00:46:21.820 --> 00:46:26.260 So we're trying to figure all that out to keep the engagement going and keep people connected. 00:46:27.040 --> 00:46:27.400 Yeah. 00:46:27.860 --> 00:46:35.380 You know, a lot of churches, I should say a lot, some churches are moving towards that concierge service kind of embedded on there. 00:46:35.580 --> 00:46:38.440 Like, it's intercom.io is a service. 00:46:38.600 --> 00:46:38.900 I don't know. 00:46:38.980 --> 00:46:40.380 Is that what you guys are using, Eridus? 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:40.780 Do you know? 00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:41.260 I don't. 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:41.960 I've heard of them. 00:46:42.140 --> 00:46:43.760 I don't think we are, but that's a great service I heard. 00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:48.820 Yeah, so intercom.io, two Ms on com, is an example of that. 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:50.020 We'll include it in the show notes. 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:57.740 That's a great line on the Donner Miller, the subject, the first line, and the PS, the postscript down at the bottom. 00:46:57.960 --> 00:46:58.080 Yeah. 00:46:58.760 --> 00:46:59.900 Very, very cool. 00:47:00.560 --> 00:47:03.100 Well, hey, man, this has been a great podcast. 00:47:03.100 --> 00:47:07.980 I feel like we are landing the plane here, wrapping up on Easter. 00:47:09.160 --> 00:47:09.900 Happy Easter, right? 00:47:10.620 --> 00:47:11.420 Yeah, happy Easter. 00:47:11.620 --> 00:47:17.940 You know, I've been seeing, like, people throwing around, like, virtual egg hunt, like, things and types of things for the kids. 00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:20.060 Do you want to – was that what you were going to talk about, Eridus? 00:47:20.060 --> 00:47:24.580 Yeah, I was just – as I'm talking about it, I'm like, yeah, there should be a virtual egg hunt somewhere. 00:47:24.740 --> 00:47:27.480 Maybe we should launch it and do something. 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.020 We can find eggs on your site. 00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:31.120 My kids – that's funny. 00:47:31.620 --> 00:47:35.880 My kids' Taekwondo, my son's Taekwondo thing is actually doing it. 00:47:36.380 --> 00:47:41.600 And it's not a church, but what they do every year is they put, like, discounts and coupons. 00:47:41.620 --> 00:47:43.320 And the Easter eggs. 00:47:43.900 --> 00:47:50.840 And so everybody wants to do the Easter eggs because they're getting 50% off some clothing or 25% off a private lesson or something like that. 00:47:50.900 --> 00:47:54.280 And so, like, the Easter egg hunt is, like, a big deal for them all the time. 00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:01.680 What they just announced is that you can drive by and pick up the Easter eggs wherever. 00:48:02.220 --> 00:48:11.720 And then, basically, at whatever the time is, everybody's going to jump on Zoom and you – your kids hunt for the eggs. 00:48:11.780 --> 00:48:12.780 So you hide the eggs. 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:19.380 And then at the prescribed time, everybody goes on Zoom and everybody can see, like, everybody hunting for the eggs in the yard. 00:48:20.040 --> 00:48:22.540 And it was just this really kind of – all right. 00:48:22.660 --> 00:48:34.920 So, like, we can't actually do an egg hunt in an area with, like, 25 or even 100 kids because of – or even three kids, for that matter, because of, you know, the whole social distancing thing. 00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:37.920 But we can create some energy around that. 00:48:38.100 --> 00:48:45.860 Play that video on social media to allow for different interaction or do some things creatively within that space. 00:48:46.160 --> 00:48:49.860 So maybe consider doing some things like that even as a lead-in to it. 00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:50.380 I'm going to borrow that. 00:48:50.600 --> 00:48:51.720 I'm going to borrow that idea. 00:48:51.780 --> 00:48:52.280 That's a good one. 00:48:52.420 --> 00:48:52.820 I like that. 00:48:52.820 --> 00:48:53.060 Awesome. 00:48:54.180 --> 00:48:55.260 Integrity martial arts. 00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:56.160 You can totally give them credit. 00:48:56.260 --> 00:48:56.600 It's awesome. 00:48:56.700 --> 00:48:59.160 By the way, if you're here in Miami, it's just a cheap plug. 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:00.820 Like, they are incredible. 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:02.660 And they've done great things with my kids. 00:49:03.340 --> 00:49:03.520 That's awesome. 00:49:03.520 --> 00:49:04.080 Come on down. 00:49:04.220 --> 00:49:05.160 Call this number right here. 00:49:05.160 --> 00:49:05.180 Come on. 00:49:05.240 --> 00:49:05.760 Anybody else? 00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:06.160 Come on down. 00:49:06.160 --> 00:49:06.960 1-800-call-Jeff. 00:49:09.020 --> 00:49:09.340 1-800-call-Jeff. 00:49:09.340 --> 00:49:14.980 Hey, one thing I just had – whether this is on the podcast or not, I mean, we did one time at the staff at Church of Miami. 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.980 We wanted to drive traffic to our app. 00:49:18.220 --> 00:49:19.160 We introduced a new app. 00:49:19.260 --> 00:49:20.140 Nobody was downloading it. 00:49:20.180 --> 00:49:20.600 We're like, ah. 00:49:21.120 --> 00:49:23.380 So it lined up with Easter a few years ago, actually. 00:49:23.460 --> 00:49:30.060 We did an Easter egg hunt inside the app, meaning that we literally buried little icons in different pages of the app. 00:49:30.140 --> 00:49:32.620 We said, there are 40 eggs in the app. 00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:37.500 And then we figured out a way that the minute somebody landed on that page, we knew we took it out. 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:37.880 Right? 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:39.300 So we had a guy working in the back end. 00:49:40.060 --> 00:49:41.260 And literally – so it drove, man. 00:49:41.300 --> 00:49:45.260 It was hundreds of people downloading the app to just do that, and then we gave prizes. 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:50.060 It was just a way to drive – the goal was driving people to the app, right, to do then Church Online. 00:49:50.500 --> 00:50:00.140 But there's ways to be, you know, creative and figure out – bury – what you can do is on your Instagram page, go comment on a post from a year ago, drop a little egg on a comment. 00:50:00.820 --> 00:50:01.660 Let people find it. 00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:04.160 So it's a way to drive traffic to your account. 00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:04.600 You know what I'm saying? 00:50:05.140 --> 00:50:08.720 You can give credit to Taekwondo.com slash Jeff. 00:50:09.500 --> 00:50:09.660 Yeah. 00:50:10.100 --> 00:50:12.640 Get – you have to like all seven. 00:50:13.120 --> 00:50:14.820 And yeah, there's some interesting things there. 00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:16.000 There's a – yeah, some fun. 00:50:16.740 --> 00:50:17.760 And people are at home, man. 00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:19.860 They're at home looking for stuff to do. 00:50:19.940 --> 00:50:20.840 Let them do it on your page. 00:50:21.220 --> 00:50:21.540 That's true. 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:22.400 Exactly. 00:50:22.720 --> 00:50:23.680 Very cool. 00:50:24.460 --> 00:50:24.760 All right. 00:50:24.820 --> 00:50:26.860 Hey, Ray, as we're landing in the plane, any closing thoughts? 00:50:27.980 --> 00:50:28.380 Yeah. 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:38.940 As many of you are thinking about planning your Easter services online, just continue to think through how you're engaging people socially on the week-to-week, especially in terms of clear communication. 00:50:39.120 --> 00:50:49.740 One of the things that we discussed at the beginning of this podcast is that Grace Family has already made the decision that they are going fully online for Easter Sunday, whether or not we can reopen. 00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:58.440 Having that kind of clear communication right now will prevent people from showing up on Easter Sunday and then getting that disappointment of getting turned away. 00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:03.700 But number two, it will help them invite somebody else to watch with them. 00:51:04.200 --> 00:51:11.720 So make sure, if you can, get in room with your leadership, pray it through, make the decision, and then clearly communicate that decision this week as soon as possible. 00:51:12.520 --> 00:51:12.840 Good. 00:51:13.980 --> 00:51:14.420 Yeah. 00:51:14.540 --> 00:51:26.840 I mean, it's very difficult at this point to juggle multiple scenarios, and you spend so much energy trying to keep that backup scenario that you know isn't going to work out. 00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:38.980 Even if the buildings do open back up, the throng of people are not going to want to go out, and especially be in a large room in situations like that. 00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:44.760 So, you know, as much as I can from the outside, call it, shut it down. 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:48.600 Just be aware, be sensitive to what's going on. 00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:58.340 And what you'll find is that clarity of vision is going to help your staff, your teams, your volunteers execute most more clearly on the vision at hand. 00:51:58.340 --> 00:52:06.040 And so, of course, I'm not involved in any of your church leaderships, and therefore have nothing to gain from this other than the guy who's just stirring the pot. 00:52:06.120 --> 00:52:06.980 But go ahead and call it. 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:11.200 Let's just land the plane and kind of move off of that. 00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:11.620 That's cool. 00:52:11.980 --> 00:52:15.480 Aridus, man, as we're wrapping up, any last thoughts on your end? 00:52:15.900 --> 00:52:16.120 No. 00:52:16.240 --> 00:52:19.020 Hey, thanks for the opportunity to hang out, to learn. 00:52:19.200 --> 00:52:20.900 I've learned as much as I've been able to share. 00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:21.900 So thanks for sharing. 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:23.720 Like I said, these are things we're navigating. 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:26.160 We don't have it all figured out, but we're always asking. 00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:27.780 We like to really adopt, take risks. 00:52:27.780 --> 00:52:29.780 I think it's a good time to take risks. 00:52:30.580 --> 00:52:33.860 And then pastors listening, oh, we shall not forsake the gathering. 00:52:34.100 --> 00:52:34.620 You're not. 00:52:35.040 --> 00:52:35.440 You're not. 00:52:35.520 --> 00:52:36.020 Still gathering. 00:52:36.180 --> 00:52:36.980 It looks different. 00:52:37.180 --> 00:52:38.060 It feels different. 00:52:38.180 --> 00:52:41.480 And everything you've been taught is maybe kind of, but it's not. 00:52:41.560 --> 00:52:41.920 You're not. 00:52:42.020 --> 00:52:43.200 I think there's more connection. 00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:53.160 And everything, the entire industry, from the dating industry to everything, to retail, shows you that the connection to counseling happening via text, people are still gathering. 00:52:53.600 --> 00:52:55.740 Now, and we can get into the whole, but don't. 00:52:55.740 --> 00:53:01.200 Don't think you're doing that by shutting it down or by canceling it or by pushing it all online and digital. 00:53:01.200 --> 00:53:03.320 So, because God, God's going to use it. 00:53:03.680 --> 00:53:05.580 He has in the past and he'll continue to do that. 00:53:05.820 --> 00:53:06.680 So, that's great. 00:53:07.140 --> 00:53:07.500 Awesome. 00:53:07.900 --> 00:53:10.260 Well, hey, man, this has been a great podcast. 00:53:10.700 --> 00:53:13.980 I've, once again, I've always loved hanging out with you. 00:53:14.140 --> 00:53:16.660 Loved having you here on the podcast. 00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:20.800 By the way, if you want to keep in touch with Airdis, Instagram's the best way. 00:53:21.160 --> 00:53:25.000 Airdis is spelled H-E-R-E-D-E-S. 00:53:25.100 --> 00:53:34.260 And you can go ahead and message him on Instagram and tell him that he owes me $650 plus interest from $2,000. 00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:35.740 So, what are we? 00:53:35.980 --> 00:53:37.420 We're almost 20 years. 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:39.460 $600 interest. 00:53:39.860 --> 00:53:42.900 There's got to be something substantial happening right there financially. 00:53:43.240 --> 00:53:47.500 That felt like a lot more money then than it does now, especially how much phones cost. 00:53:47.620 --> 00:53:49.060 I mean, that felt like a lot more money. 00:53:49.720 --> 00:53:50.280 It did, right? 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:50.800 No, yeah. 00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:52.200 Dude, that was it. 00:53:52.420 --> 00:54:00.580 I ruined camp because basically, I mean, basically, and listen, for those listening right now, we were at camp. 00:54:00.580 --> 00:54:01.840 Was it 20 years ago now? 00:54:02.140 --> 00:54:03.040 Dude, it was the year. 00:54:03.140 --> 00:54:04.420 It was 2000, 2001. 00:54:04.640 --> 00:54:05.700 It was somewhere around there, bro. 00:54:06.120 --> 00:54:06.560 Crazy. 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:12.040 He was, Jeff was hanging out by the, he was, you know, by the, was it the mud puddle? 00:54:12.160 --> 00:54:13.600 It was a mud pit or something. 00:54:13.600 --> 00:54:15.840 A mud pit at a youth camp. 00:54:16.180 --> 00:54:17.720 He's hanging out, standing around. 00:54:18.380 --> 00:54:22.640 He's running tech production, producing this whole thing, you know? 00:54:22.660 --> 00:54:24.380 And, you know, we're little punk teenagers. 00:54:24.380 --> 00:54:27.360 We see him standing there just kind of, you know, being Jeff. 00:54:27.460 --> 00:54:31.900 They were like, hey, so we gang up on him, and we toss him into the mud pit. 00:54:32.200 --> 00:54:32.940 Oh, my word. 00:54:33.100 --> 00:54:33.620 It was horrible. 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:35.080 Boy, it took a few of us. 00:54:35.140 --> 00:54:42.320 We got him in there, and then he walks out full of mud with the camera, pulls it out from his pocket, just drained, trashed. 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:47.920 So we were super guilty, and that night, I think you did him in memoriam, right, for the camera. 00:54:48.020 --> 00:54:48.580 Never forget, man. 00:54:48.580 --> 00:54:48.780 Yeah, for the camera. 00:54:48.940 --> 00:54:49.500 It was awesome. 00:54:49.500 --> 00:54:50.220 You were a good sport. 00:54:50.380 --> 00:54:51.240 You were a good sport. 00:54:51.240 --> 00:54:51.620 It was heartfelt. 00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.540 Oh, no, I was a great sport until the camp was over. 00:54:54.940 --> 00:54:58.020 Then I was like, who the garbage is going to be paying for my camera? 00:54:58.100 --> 00:54:59.860 Because this came out of, like, my money here. 00:55:00.180 --> 00:55:00.400 Okay. 00:55:00.660 --> 00:55:02.880 I don't think anybody actually ever paid for that, but we're good. 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:11.460 I need to know before the podcast wraps up, did you all huddle around the campfire crying, tossing the same branch in over repentance over this camera? 00:55:11.580 --> 00:55:12.360 Is that what happened? 00:55:13.160 --> 00:55:13.720 100%, bro. 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:15.860 I could sing of your love forever, bro, like on repeat. 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:16.740 We're just throwing that. 00:55:16.980 --> 00:55:17.520 There it is. 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:18.640 There it is. 00:55:18.700 --> 00:55:19.880 That's what I wanted to know. 00:55:20.160 --> 00:55:20.920 Oh, my gosh. 00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:22.800 See, this is why we need to do this more often. 00:55:22.940 --> 00:55:25.900 This has absolutely nothing to do with Easter, but this has been very therapeutic. 00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:28.360 It is now well with my soul. 00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:28.880 Thank you. 00:55:29.140 --> 00:55:29.300 Boom. 00:55:29.300 --> 00:55:30.140 Thank you so much. 00:55:30.200 --> 00:55:32.860 Let's bring it full circle, and we're going to land the plane right there. 00:55:34.140 --> 00:55:37.300 For Eridus, for Ray, this is Jeff with the Church Digital Podcast. 00:55:37.900 --> 00:55:41.240 Thanks for joining us again, and we'll see you again next time here on the podcast. 00:55:41.380 --> 00:55:41.880 Y'all have a good day.