WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.340 Episode 64 of the Church Digital Podcast, powered by Stadia Church Planning. 00:00:05.460 --> 00:00:09.880 We're going to park out here on the Stadia Church Planning side for this podcast. 00:00:10.120 --> 00:00:14.920 This is the first podcast where we've talked with a church planter who's going in this process. 00:00:15.060 --> 00:00:20.120 By the way, there's huge implications for church online all over this conversation, 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:28.700 because what we're talking about here is how to utilize Facebook to mobilize people across the country. 00:00:28.700 --> 00:00:31.660 We're bringing in a conversation with Patrick Holden. 00:00:32.080 --> 00:00:36.840 Patrick is a planter. He has yet to officially launch, I hate to use the word launch, 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:41.040 but to start his physical church plant in Columbus, Ohio. 00:00:41.160 --> 00:00:45.100 As a matter of fact, Patrick doesn't even live currently in Columbus, Ohio. 00:00:45.220 --> 00:00:47.140 He's living somewhere in Michigan. 00:00:47.900 --> 00:00:54.180 But as a result of utilizing Facebook technology, he's already building his core team. 00:00:54.180 --> 00:00:57.140 He's building his his group, his followers. 00:00:57.140 --> 00:01:03.240 He's finding his one here in Columbus, Ohio, utilizing Facebook. 00:01:03.440 --> 00:01:11.080 He's not even in the state, but he's utilizing it to connect, to meet with people and to recruit them into his church. 00:01:11.320 --> 00:01:13.360 And it's not just Patrick that's doing it. 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:14.760 His system is so scalable. 00:01:15.320 --> 00:01:23.780 His core team, who also does not live currently in Columbus, Ohio, all over the country, which is where they're at, they're using it as well. 00:01:23.780 --> 00:01:36.080 And so even though these people do not live in Columbus, Ohio, they are actively recruiting and developing relationships with people in Columbus towards starting this church plant. 00:01:36.700 --> 00:01:43.060 I mean, talk about mobilizing people on mission, even though we're in the midst of this coronavirus, this COVID season. 00:01:43.380 --> 00:01:44.880 This is this is crazy stuff. 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:46.000 So here's where we are. 00:01:46.080 --> 00:01:49.000 We're bringing in Patrick Holden into the conversation. 00:01:49.140 --> 00:01:51.860 We're also bringing in another Stadia staffer. 00:01:52.220 --> 00:01:53.920 His name is Nathan Hawkins. 00:01:54.740 --> 00:01:57.040 I call him Chivo a couple of times in the podcast. 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:57.820 That's his nickname. 00:01:58.240 --> 00:02:07.300 He's the West Regional Director with Stadia Church Planning and just an all around great guy and quickly becoming a fanboy of Church Online, which is one of the reasons I like him. 00:02:07.460 --> 00:02:10.480 So we've got Nathan Chivo coming in, Hawkins. 00:02:10.860 --> 00:02:15.400 We've got Patrick Holden from Nuvo Church in Columbus, Ohio. 00:02:15.480 --> 00:02:22.120 Myself, Jeff with the Church Digital in a conversation that I'm calling Meeting and Mobilizing People on Facebook. 00:02:22.540 --> 00:02:23.180 All right, everybody. 00:02:23.340 --> 00:02:23.720 Here you go. 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:25.120 Yeah. 00:02:25.320 --> 00:02:36.200 So the Spark Note version, I think for us is, you know, way back in college, my freshman year of college, me, my roommates and my now wife, Emily, we all work in a student ministry together. 00:02:36.200 --> 00:02:40.180 And we would just always dream, you know, about what would it look like if we ever planted a church one day. 00:02:40.340 --> 00:02:45.960 And so you fast forward, you know, 15 years later, really, we're all doing ministry at different places. 00:02:46.200 --> 00:02:49.740 One of my friends is an executive pastor, a large multi-site church in Dalton. 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:51.020 The other one's a creative director. 00:02:51.580 --> 00:02:52.580 Emily's a creative director. 00:02:52.780 --> 00:02:56.060 And then I'm a lead pastor for one of the multi-site churches here in Michigan. 00:02:56.220 --> 00:03:02.500 And about two years ago, God really started kind of opening our hearts back up to planting a church again. 00:03:02.500 --> 00:03:06.360 And it's always been there, but it was like he was saying, hey, this is the time to do it. 00:03:06.420 --> 00:03:08.200 And so we started exploring that. 00:03:08.300 --> 00:03:11.940 And then all of us decided we were going to go to Columbus, Ohio to plant a church. 00:03:12.220 --> 00:03:13.880 And so we went there. 00:03:14.020 --> 00:03:16.940 We knew that we had kind of a long on-ramp, which is probably unique for us. 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.600 We were going to be in the places that we were at for about another year. 00:03:20.440 --> 00:03:26.920 And yeah, and we said, hey, how are we going to launch this thing if we got a year's running room before we move to the city? 00:03:27.060 --> 00:03:28.180 And how do we navigate that? 00:03:28.500 --> 00:03:29.120 So, yeah. 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:33.440 I'm just curious, kind of like coming off of that, why Columbus? 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:37.280 Like, was there a tie there, regionally connected with the others? 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:38.540 Like, just throw a dart? 00:03:38.740 --> 00:03:39.600 What was the motivation? 00:03:40.220 --> 00:03:41.220 You know, it's so funny. 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:43.500 I love telling the story to you. 00:03:43.780 --> 00:03:44.800 We had five cities. 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:45.960 Columbus was number five. 00:03:46.060 --> 00:03:46.760 I promised my wife. 00:03:46.760 --> 00:03:47.540 My wife is from Ohio. 00:03:47.620 --> 00:03:48.760 I said, I'll never live in Ohio. 00:03:49.020 --> 00:03:49.820 I'm from the South. 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:50.920 It snows there. 00:03:51.060 --> 00:03:52.020 I don't know how I feel about that. 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:53.140 Still don't know how I feel about that. 00:03:53.760 --> 00:03:57.040 But I think we went to the other cities and we landed in Columbus. 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:00.780 And in the most tangible way possible, we felt like this is where God was calling us. 00:04:00.900 --> 00:04:04.460 And then when we felt that, we said, we're going to spend three days in the city. 00:04:04.600 --> 00:04:06.020 And so we spent three days in the city. 00:04:06.140 --> 00:04:07.560 We took a camera downtown. 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:11.280 We sort of emulated Humans of New York, if you're familiar with that. 00:04:11.540 --> 00:04:13.000 Took a picture, asked people's stories. 00:04:13.420 --> 00:04:17.600 And something we get a shift in me going, people really will have a random conversation with you like that. 00:04:17.620 --> 00:04:21.260 And we interviewed 107 people over three days. 00:04:21.460 --> 00:04:22.780 106 of them were agnostic. 00:04:23.520 --> 00:04:27.120 And we said, okay, this is where we feel like God's leading us. 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:27.920 So, yeah. 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.620 107 and 106 were agnostic. 00:04:33.260 --> 00:04:34.420 And I'm an introvert too. 00:04:34.520 --> 00:04:36.520 So I had a lot of coffee those days. 00:04:36.620 --> 00:04:37.040 So it was fun. 00:04:37.740 --> 00:04:38.060 Wow. 00:04:38.860 --> 00:04:39.580 Yeah, that's cool. 00:04:40.460 --> 00:04:42.760 So at this point, you're launching when? 00:04:43.760 --> 00:04:45.800 When's this going public official? 00:04:46.500 --> 00:04:46.760 Yeah. 00:04:46.960 --> 00:04:52.240 So, I mean, we're hoping to have our first official set of services September of 2021. 00:04:53.020 --> 00:04:54.240 So we're still a ways off. 00:04:54.680 --> 00:05:02.020 And really, I mean, we've been in the current, you know, job that we're in for about a year, having our church, you know, know that we're leaving to do this. 00:05:02.220 --> 00:05:04.940 And so in the next two months is when we've been moving out of Columbus. 00:05:05.080 --> 00:05:07.380 We've got about a two-month one there to get down there. 00:05:07.400 --> 00:05:11.020 And then the other families that are coming with us, they'll be there early, early fall. 00:05:11.520 --> 00:05:23.900 So, Jeff, one of the things I love about what Patrick and innovators like him are causing us to do is to rethink the whole notion of when is this launching? 00:05:24.180 --> 00:05:25.140 When is it getting started? 00:05:25.440 --> 00:05:25.760 What is it? 00:05:26.080 --> 00:05:33.300 Because as he said, you know, yeah, we're anticipating our first perhaps public corporate gathering in the fall of 21. 00:05:34.320 --> 00:05:36.240 They've been at work already. 00:05:36.380 --> 00:05:39.020 And God's clearly been at work well in advance. 00:05:39.020 --> 00:05:46.900 And so it's joining into that and then continuing to build on that, which will eventually result in some sort of corporate gathering. 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:48.900 But they're already well in. 00:05:49.100 --> 00:05:50.140 And I love that, Patrick. 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:51.680 You're doing awesome work already. 00:05:52.280 --> 00:05:52.820 Well, thank you. 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:53.620 Thank you so much. 00:05:54.020 --> 00:05:54.160 Thanks. 00:05:54.780 --> 00:06:04.520 So the thing that intrigues me about Patrick is because I was in a meeting through Stadia and he was talking to some of the other pre – I'm learning the church planning terms. 00:06:04.640 --> 00:06:05.500 It's pre-launch, right? 00:06:05.700 --> 00:06:06.340 I think so. 00:06:06.340 --> 00:06:07.440 Not quite public, yeah. 00:06:07.940 --> 00:06:08.160 Yeah. 00:06:08.420 --> 00:06:09.240 Yeah, the thing. 00:06:09.540 --> 00:06:23.200 And so he's telling this story of how he's doing ministry like via Facebook and how he's connecting with people via Facebook in the area, not even in Columbus, Ohio, already doing some of this. 00:06:23.300 --> 00:06:30.380 And so I was really intrigued because, you know, anytime somebody's doing ministry virtually, oh, and they're in another state. 00:06:30.580 --> 00:06:33.100 I mean, that's just a phenomenal story. 00:06:33.100 --> 00:06:36.100 And so, like, I wanted to bring Patrick on and really dive into this. 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:39.100 Okay, so what does this look like? 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:40.140 How do you do this? 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:41.420 What are the responses? 00:06:42.200 --> 00:06:48.120 Evidently, it's 99.4% agnosticism in Columbus. 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:58.160 Okay, it's a non-scientific poll, but you've got this huge opportunity to connect with people, and you're doing it for starters until you get there. 00:06:58.280 --> 00:06:59.400 You're doing it during Facebook. 00:06:59.640 --> 00:07:01.140 So what are you learning? 00:07:01.280 --> 00:07:02.520 What are you experiencing in the season? 00:07:02.740 --> 00:07:06.900 You know, for us, it really began, you know, for me, thinking about two different things. 00:07:06.980 --> 00:07:13.020 As soon as we felt called to plan a church, the first question we started to ask was, how do we find the first 25 or 30 people? 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:18.640 And the more church planners that I talked to, most all of them had a version of an answer of once we arrived in the city. 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:26.500 We'd go to Starbucks or a coffee shop, just introduce ourselves to people that maybe we didn't know before, and tell them about the church plan, which is really great. 00:07:26.740 --> 00:07:33.020 But I think for me, I kept thinking, there's got to be a way to do that from a distance, because we've got a year before we're ever even going to be there. 00:07:33.780 --> 00:07:39.980 And so for us, it really was kind of like, I know, you know, if you're thinking about building a fire, I know how to maintain a fire. 00:07:40.140 --> 00:07:42.500 I know how to keep it hopefully going and hopefully grow it. 00:07:42.540 --> 00:07:45.940 But I had no idea how to find sticks and stones and just get it started. 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:51.180 And so we kind of had this idea of what would it be like, you know, the first day that we moved to Columbus. 00:07:51.440 --> 00:07:55.240 We pulled into the moving truck, and we said, we're going to have an event that night, like a vision night. 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:59.380 We were able to get 100 people there that first night because of the work that we had done before. 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:04.200 And so as we began to dream about that, we just said, hey, there's all these people on Facebook. 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:14.520 We know from our time over those course of three days that people would kind of randomly, you know, respond to, you know, going up to them and talking to them, especially when you're talking about the city. 00:08:15.260 --> 00:08:20.560 And so what we decided to do is we were going to kind of add people on Facebook as friends, and then we would message them. 00:08:21.180 --> 00:08:29.040 And the message was geared specifically to say, hey, will you talk to us about Columbus, inform us, lead us on how to do that well. 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:39.560 And we found anywhere from 20% to 30% of those people would respond back, take a phone call with us on FaceTime, usually on FaceTime, and then we would kind of go from there. 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:40.840 So that's how we did it. 00:08:41.780 --> 00:08:43.460 Patrick, let me just say a couple things. 00:08:43.580 --> 00:08:46.600 I love the innovation on so many levels. 00:08:46.800 --> 00:08:51.940 And I don't know who the church planners you were talking to that said you meet folks at Starbucks, because maybe in 2010. 00:08:52.640 --> 00:08:59.460 But now in 2020, like, don't talk to me when I'm at Starbucks, I'm in my laptop or on my phone, I don't want to meet someone. 00:08:59.700 --> 00:09:02.140 The whole third space thing, they're a drive-through now. 00:09:03.060 --> 00:09:09.140 But your true innovation is recognizing that, yeah, I love your fire analogy. 00:09:09.520 --> 00:09:12.000 It's like, I don't want to try to gather sticks. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:23.580 Oftentimes we'll say, particularly from an investment standpoint, do you want to invest in this opportunity where someone's rubbing sticks together or this opportunity where there's a fire going? 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:32.260 And what you're demonstrating is we can generate some spark, even start a small fire from a distance. 00:09:32.680 --> 00:09:46.220 And so you also now have this long runway before you invest all the time and energy and resources, money, relocate your family and everybody else that's going to go to Columbus with you to really have a proof of concept. 00:09:46.920 --> 00:09:54.040 And so if I'm an investor, I'm listening to you going, oh, wow, you're already in contact with how many people there? 00:09:54.220 --> 00:09:56.100 You're already engaging at what? 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:00.960 And you've got 100 people who are going to show up to welcome you? 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:03.320 I'm like, oh, gosh, sign me up. 00:10:04.020 --> 00:10:06.800 Patrick, how do I get on your team and invest with you? 00:10:06.860 --> 00:10:07.780 Well, it's fantastic. 00:10:08.460 --> 00:10:09.280 Yeah, no, absolutely. 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:21.920 And you know what's so interesting, too, is I found even when we sat with personal donors, large churches, that sort of thing, but even personal donors, there was a level of confidence that we had because you're right, like donors, they're more likely to give to something that's moving than simply an idea. 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:29.040 And so we just kept saying, hey, we can tell you stories of people that we've met, individual stories of people, and you're joining a team that's already moving. 00:10:29.040 --> 00:10:31.800 So, yeah, we felt a lot more confidence going into this conversation. 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:33.480 Tell us one of those stories. 00:10:33.640 --> 00:10:36.200 Give us an example of something you've connected with. 00:10:36.660 --> 00:10:36.860 Sure. 00:10:36.940 --> 00:10:41.320 Well, one of my favorites is, so we got to, you know, I don't know too much about football. 00:10:41.500 --> 00:10:44.480 Ohio State University is a big deal, or the Ohio State University. 00:10:44.680 --> 00:10:45.080 I'm sorry. 00:10:45.340 --> 00:10:45.700 O-H. 00:10:46.500 --> 00:10:49.360 Yeah, anyway, so everybody that's listening from Ohio is with you next. 00:10:49.500 --> 00:10:51.680 And so, yeah, so I didn't know a ton about it. 00:10:51.740 --> 00:10:52.960 And so I'm on Facebook. 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:55.860 I think it was probably like a 10 or 12 person that I did this with. 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:02.960 Happened to be a former Ohio State football player who, a phenomenal player and super gracious guy. 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:06.100 And he jumped on the call with me, and we talked for almost two hours. 00:11:06.220 --> 00:11:07.440 I told him a little bit about what we were doing. 00:11:07.780 --> 00:11:14.500 And he just happened, I guess, he just happened to be over the entrepreneurial, you know, component of the business department at Ohio State. 00:11:14.860 --> 00:11:20.300 And so, you know, we got to pick his brain and talk a lot about startup world and the church stuff. 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:23.660 And, you know, he's actually going to be jumping on a call with us tonight for a digital small group. 00:11:23.780 --> 00:11:24.160 He's coming to everything. 00:11:24.340 --> 00:11:26.020 So, like, those are fun stories. 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:32.000 You know, one of the things that we try to do as well is we really try to target people who are already networkers in the city, right? 00:11:32.020 --> 00:11:36.620 There's a lot of people who are business networkers already who have, you know, their job is to make connections. 00:11:36.620 --> 00:11:41.380 And so we would kind of go after people who had 3,000 or 4,000 friends and talk to them. 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.040 And we found that they wanted to be so helpful in helping us get connected to other people. 00:11:45.640 --> 00:11:47.680 So, you know, I think of some friends that we have. 00:11:47.800 --> 00:11:50.920 I won't share their name because I didn't ask for permission, but we randomly met them. 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:52.380 Didn't know that ahead of time. 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:57.040 And as soon as we did, I mean, they've introduced us to, I mean, really hundreds of people since then. 00:11:57.280 --> 00:11:59.600 And, yeah, you know, they're jumping on as well. 00:11:59.700 --> 00:12:01.440 So it's interesting how it works. 00:12:01.520 --> 00:12:04.720 The prayer that we pray, you know, before we actually sit down, which sounds odd, 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:09.480 at a computer to send these messages out, is that God would direct us to the key influencers, 00:12:09.740 --> 00:12:13.040 the people who can, you know, grow it exponentially through their networks already. 00:12:13.460 --> 00:12:14.240 So, yeah. 00:12:14.820 --> 00:12:20.080 So from a practical standpoint, like, are you filtering on Facebook? 00:12:20.280 --> 00:12:26.660 How are you finding 3,000 to 4,000 plus friends in Columbus? 00:12:26.920 --> 00:12:28.820 Like, how do you get there? 00:12:29.640 --> 00:12:30.800 So, yeah. 00:12:30.860 --> 00:12:34.720 We originally started by looking at Facebook groups and just finding Christian organizations 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:35.440 that had groups. 00:12:35.660 --> 00:12:36.740 And then it was funny. 00:12:37.180 --> 00:12:41.060 It doesn't show you all the information, but you can find the people that are liking most recently. 00:12:41.060 --> 00:12:47.760 So we would go through, they would post, click the people who are liking it, and then we would kind of run through this process with those people. 00:12:48.540 --> 00:12:49.920 And you only get so many of those groups. 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:51.140 So we did that for a little while. 00:12:51.420 --> 00:12:53.320 Then we started, like I said, going after networkers. 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:58.040 So trying to find, you know, networking companies and the people that were connected to them. 00:12:58.280 --> 00:12:59.500 And so we started doing that. 00:12:59.580 --> 00:13:00.680 Those were really great for us. 00:13:01.460 --> 00:13:06.760 And then, you know, the other thing is, once somebody said yes, we would go through their friend list and start adding everybody. 00:13:07.180 --> 00:13:07.460 You know what I mean? 00:13:07.520 --> 00:13:07.980 We'd go through it. 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:16.120 And that way, as weird as it sounds on this side of it, it would obviously show that we had mutual friends, which would be usually a great conversation starter. 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:19.180 And, you know, it's weird in the beginning. 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.040 You definitely have people that go, why me? 00:13:21.180 --> 00:13:22.160 And I'm like, hey, this is weird. 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:23.940 But you're random. 00:13:23.940 --> 00:13:26.840 And, but it made for fun conversations. 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:28.920 And most everybody's been so gracious about it. 00:13:29.640 --> 00:13:31.680 Patrick, let me clarify something. 00:13:31.880 --> 00:13:37.360 So the Buckeye, for example, the player that you've connected with and is now opening doors for you. 00:13:37.880 --> 00:13:39.940 Have you shaken his hand yet? 00:13:40.780 --> 00:13:41.580 Oh, that's a great question. 00:13:42.140 --> 00:13:44.720 You know, so coronavirus kind of shut down a little bit of our travel. 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:50.320 But what we did, and I could brag on our team all day about this, is, you know, there's several of us going. 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:53.000 Eleven adults are going to be a part of it from other places. 00:13:53.580 --> 00:14:00.380 We started doing this, and we would fly down for these, like, two-day trips, and we would just stack these meetings back to back to back to back to back to back. 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:05.520 Over a two-day period, you know, you'd spend eight to 12 hours a day just meeting with people that you met. 00:14:05.940 --> 00:14:07.360 One of our team members, his name is Ryan. 00:14:07.460 --> 00:14:08.080 He lives in Georgia. 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:11.220 Ryan flew into Columbus and just stacked two days of meetings with people. 00:14:12.060 --> 00:14:13.380 And, yeah, so we did. 00:14:13.380 --> 00:14:14.240 And so I actually did. 00:14:14.340 --> 00:14:15.520 I met the guy I was talking about. 00:14:15.640 --> 00:14:16.680 I went to OSU. 00:14:16.800 --> 00:14:17.440 He gave me a tour. 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:18.900 Went to his office. 00:14:19.100 --> 00:14:19.940 Spent some time together. 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:22.000 So, yeah, we've tried to do that. 00:14:22.180 --> 00:14:23.100 Coronavirus has made it harder. 00:14:23.220 --> 00:14:31.900 But as a University of Miami Hurricane fan living in Miami the majority of my life, I cannot acknowledge or condone the use of Ohio State in this podcast. 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.540 So, you know, I'm struggling even as I'm listening to this. 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:36.880 I may have to edit it out. 00:14:37.560 --> 00:14:39.660 I'll have to see how the rest of the podcast goes. 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:41.440 We might just keep this one on the shelf. 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.260 But, no, the Facebook is really, it really is a good idea here. 00:14:44.400 --> 00:14:55.740 I got to tell you, the thing that I love about what you're describing so far is that this isn't an ad campaign where you're spending hundreds of dollars per day to do something. 00:14:56.120 --> 00:15:01.620 Like, what you're actually doing is utilizing the program and being relational to meet people. 00:15:01.820 --> 00:15:06.800 And as a result of meeting people, building relationships and funneling that into ministry. 00:15:07.340 --> 00:15:13.400 You're meeting people, you're connecting with them in the community, and then you're getting to the Christ point or whatever the evangelism is. 00:15:13.460 --> 00:15:16.360 But you're not beating people over the head on a platform. 00:15:16.820 --> 00:15:23.600 You're engaging in conversation, which in this coronavirus season we're in, we're conversation starved. 00:15:24.020 --> 00:15:26.420 It's not content strategy, it's conversation. 00:15:26.820 --> 00:15:29.080 And that makes this thing beautiful. 00:15:29.860 --> 00:15:32.660 Is this, I'm just curious, like, did you see this somewhere? 00:15:32.820 --> 00:15:42.920 Was this something that came, like, how did you grow to this point of, hey, let's utilize the Facebook platform to actually physically have conversations and meet people? 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:46.140 No, I hadn't. 00:15:46.140 --> 00:15:47.480 I'm sure other people have done it. 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:48.520 I'm sure people would have. 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:49.700 But no, we hadn't. 00:15:49.780 --> 00:15:50.860 In fact, none of us thought it would work. 00:15:50.920 --> 00:15:52.800 So I'll be honest, we committed to do it for two weeks. 00:15:52.900 --> 00:15:53.460 That's what we said. 00:15:53.800 --> 00:15:56.780 That we would do 15 of these apiece for, like, two weeks. 00:15:57.260 --> 00:15:59.920 Nobody thought it was going to work, especially me, I think. 00:16:00.180 --> 00:16:01.720 And then it did. 00:16:01.800 --> 00:16:05.560 And then all of a sudden, you know, our first two contacts were college students at OSU. 00:16:06.500 --> 00:16:08.560 And so, yeah, so that's how we did it. 00:16:08.560 --> 00:16:14.180 And for us, I think the other side of it is interesting, is it feels in the moment like mundane work. 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:14.720 You know what I mean? 00:16:14.740 --> 00:16:19.120 Like, you're literally copying, pasting, sending a message, and then we're adding them to our database system. 00:16:19.520 --> 00:16:20.860 And then they respond, though. 00:16:20.900 --> 00:16:26.740 And I think for me, it's like we've kind of embraced that there is, like, this, like, responsible for the obedience in the small part of it. 00:16:26.800 --> 00:16:31.880 And then God has, like you were talking about, run about this beautiful kind of array of relationships on the other side of it. 00:16:32.300 --> 00:16:32.660 Yeah. 00:16:34.340 --> 00:16:38.140 Man, you're responsive for obedience. 00:16:38.140 --> 00:16:40.620 But also, there's some strategic thinking. 00:16:40.620 --> 00:16:43.840 You mentioned just there, you're using templates. 00:16:44.060 --> 00:16:45.700 You're adding people to a database. 00:16:46.500 --> 00:16:48.060 So, you're being systematic. 00:16:48.280 --> 00:16:49.000 It's intentional. 00:16:49.180 --> 00:16:50.300 It's not haphazard. 00:16:50.700 --> 00:16:52.280 Tell us a little bit more about that. 00:16:52.380 --> 00:16:53.340 What does that look like? 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:57.780 How do you make sure that not everybody is doing the same thing with the same person? 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:02.760 Or if someone blocks you, you don't, like, what does that look like? 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:03.400 How do you do that? 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.880 Well, again, I would want to brag on, there's a guy on our team, his name is Ryan Steigl. 00:17:07.980 --> 00:17:09.780 Ryan, everybody has their smart friend. 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:11.300 Ryan is one of my smart friends. 00:17:11.620 --> 00:17:13.380 And so, I said, hey, let's try it. 00:17:13.420 --> 00:17:18.980 And he created this ability to use HubSpot, if you're familiar with HubSpot. 00:17:19.520 --> 00:17:22.600 And we kind of approach it as if we're doing sales. 00:17:22.820 --> 00:17:25.060 And so, what we did is he set it up for us. 00:17:25.080 --> 00:17:26.860 So, once we send the message, it is a template. 00:17:27.600 --> 00:17:29.080 We took this template message. 00:17:29.180 --> 00:17:29.540 We send it. 00:17:29.600 --> 00:17:30.240 We add them as a friend. 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:34.100 And then we go over to HubSpot, and we add every single person that we reach out to in 00:17:34.100 --> 00:17:34.620 HubSpot. 00:17:34.940 --> 00:17:38.400 We put their name in there, and then he broke it out into a category called confidential 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:42.640 involvement with our church, conversation status, so we know exactly where people are, and then 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:44.340 whether they're open to a face-to-face meeting. 00:17:44.700 --> 00:17:48.340 And then we go in there, and we add that information, and then we try to keep up with it. 00:17:48.360 --> 00:17:50.940 And I would say, our team is significantly better at it than me. 00:17:51.020 --> 00:17:51.860 I wish I was better at it. 00:17:51.940 --> 00:17:52.740 They're phenomenal. 00:17:53.300 --> 00:17:56.220 You know, I'm scattered, but you can tell. 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:58.200 I'm a league guy, yeah. 00:17:58.500 --> 00:18:03.000 So, you know, but they're killing it, and so they put all of that information in there. 00:18:03.080 --> 00:18:03.820 And so, it's always there. 00:18:03.900 --> 00:18:07.240 And HubSpot's great, too, because you can add tacks, like, in HubSpot. 00:18:07.320 --> 00:18:08.760 So, it'll pop up to remind them. 00:18:09.320 --> 00:18:12.660 As creepy as it sounds, I know it sounds odd, but you can actually, if you're sending an 00:18:12.660 --> 00:18:15.220 email, you can actually, it'll tell you when they open it. 00:18:15.340 --> 00:18:18.800 And, you know, we try to develop some strategy around, hey, when they open it, how do we follow 00:18:18.800 --> 00:18:19.740 up, and what does that mean? 00:18:20.380 --> 00:18:21.960 And so, HubSpot's been a great tool. 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:26.620 And the other thing for us, too, is, you know, with church database systems, you're 00:18:26.620 --> 00:18:30.140 paying, a lot of times, for how many people you have in the system. 00:18:30.520 --> 00:18:35.340 And we didn't want, you know, a thousand people that might not be involved in that system to 00:18:35.340 --> 00:18:35.720 pay for that. 00:18:35.800 --> 00:18:41.280 So, once somebody takes the next step for us, then we move them over into planning centers, 00:18:41.360 --> 00:18:43.880 what we use, and we track them a little bit differently over there. 00:18:44.120 --> 00:18:45.940 But, yeah, that's the system behind it. 00:18:46.140 --> 00:18:48.140 Patrick, I want to ask you about something. 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.100 You keep mentioning your team, and I think this is something that we don't want to be 00:18:52.100 --> 00:18:52.920 lost on, folks. 00:18:53.280 --> 00:18:58.680 Your team is spread out all over the country, and you guys are collaborating virtually. 00:18:59.360 --> 00:19:03.920 So, it's not just you, but it's people, many of whom I suspect are probably volunteering 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:04.780 their time. 00:19:05.260 --> 00:19:10.400 You mentioned your smart friend, certainly more capable than us in systems. 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:16.860 But having a process, having a system, allows other people to be involved. 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.700 It's not like this just lives in your head, and you're trying to do it all on your own. 00:19:21.360 --> 00:19:26.280 The fact that you guys have taken the effort to map it out and say, here's what we're going 00:19:26.280 --> 00:19:29.500 to do, it invites other people to be involved. 00:19:29.660 --> 00:19:31.900 Talk to us about how that works on your team. 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:37.900 Yeah, you know, and so I would say, like, I'm so lucky to be able to work with people that 00:19:37.900 --> 00:19:41.180 seriously are more talented and smarter, and that they're some of my best friends in the 00:19:41.180 --> 00:19:41.480 whole world. 00:19:42.060 --> 00:19:43.900 And so, you're right, nobody's paid on our team. 00:19:44.020 --> 00:19:45.900 Actually, nobody, including me, has paid on our team at this point. 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:47.880 Everybody's volunteering their time. 00:19:48.020 --> 00:19:50.940 Most of these people are kind of working two jobs, you know, with this as a part of it. 00:19:51.420 --> 00:19:54.680 So, what we try to do, though, is we try to lean into our separate strengths. 00:19:54.800 --> 00:19:59.200 Obviously, that's one of Brian's, and he's the extroverted person on our team. 00:19:59.320 --> 00:20:05.140 But we also said, how do we make it so scalable that any volunteer can replicate the system? 00:20:05.780 --> 00:20:11.320 And so, we literally made videos, like he, again, we made how-to five-minute videos on 00:20:11.320 --> 00:20:12.220 how to walk through it. 00:20:12.600 --> 00:20:13.960 They're step-by-step things. 00:20:14.060 --> 00:20:16.960 Honestly, I mean, we can give, I mean, whoever wants that, we give all that stuff away. 00:20:17.080 --> 00:20:19.880 But, you know, he spent a lot of time doing that. 00:20:20.060 --> 00:20:22.780 And so, what we've done, we do have volunteers that are part of it now. 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:26.460 Part of our goal now is how do we, a lot of people want to talk to the lead pastor, which 00:20:26.460 --> 00:20:28.160 is, you know, I guess that's part of it. 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:32.040 But, and so, there are people that will get access to my Facebook account soon, and they 00:20:32.040 --> 00:20:35.660 will be sending out messages in some ways on behalf of me and scheduling it, which is great. 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:37.240 So, I'll still do it, but they'll be doing part of that. 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:42.480 But, you know, there's this component of it that we want it to be so scalable that our 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:47.060 hope is that no matter, you know, if God buses it and we go to other parts of the city or 00:20:47.060 --> 00:20:50.760 even other cities, that we can take the same approach, even if it's in a different, you 00:20:50.760 --> 00:20:54.180 know, social media place and just keep replicating it over and over again. 00:20:54.520 --> 00:20:55.480 So, yeah, that's our hope. 00:20:56.120 --> 00:20:57.060 I love that. 00:20:57.060 --> 00:21:02.680 And I've got an eight-page PDF open here on my desktop that's your plan. 00:21:02.840 --> 00:21:04.920 And so, we'll put that in the show notes to link to. 00:21:05.020 --> 00:21:06.320 And if you could send over the videos. 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:09.060 Honestly, I use HubSpot for my business. 00:21:09.620 --> 00:21:15.420 And so, part of me wants to, like, understand the HubSpot and your perspective of how you're 00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:17.420 merging it together for my own benefit. 00:21:17.900 --> 00:21:22.500 I know that a lot of times I've been talking with churches towards, like, the average church, 00:21:22.760 --> 00:21:25.800 and I'm moving beyond church plans just here for a second, but the average church 00:21:25.800 --> 00:21:28.740 broadcasting, this is not an exaggeration. 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:35.480 I was talking with a church today who said they had 65,000 people watching their Easter 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:35.980 services. 00:21:36.660 --> 00:21:41.620 And the connection cards that they actually had with tangible names to follow up on, they 00:21:41.620 --> 00:21:42.060 had 11. 00:21:42.800 --> 00:21:46.840 And so, like, I'm just doing bad math in my head as my dog barks in the background, welcome 00:21:46.840 --> 00:21:47.900 to coronavirus season. 00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:53.580 65,000 and it drops down to 11 for actual tangible follow up. 00:21:54.500 --> 00:21:57.480 And so, I've even been encouraging, utilize Facebook groups. 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:02.440 Utilize Facebook where it's not as invasive as a connection card. 00:22:02.820 --> 00:22:05.660 It's easier to peel people's information out of it. 00:22:06.100 --> 00:22:12.060 The fact that you're getting 20 to 30% response rate on a Facebook message is crazy. 00:22:12.060 --> 00:22:19.180 Like, right now, Facebook Messenger is actually the most successful platform currently in the 00:22:19.180 --> 00:22:19.760 industry today. 00:22:19.900 --> 00:22:22.440 Email is, like, 20% open rate. 00:22:22.860 --> 00:22:27.480 Text message is, like, 50 to 60% open with it. 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:31.080 Facebook Messenger is 80 to 90% at this point. 00:22:31.600 --> 00:22:37.820 And so, getting people to engage it, and then feeling like they can respond, and if they 00:22:37.820 --> 00:22:39.820 don't like you, they can block you through Facebook. 00:22:39.900 --> 00:22:40.080 Right. 00:22:40.320 --> 00:22:41.100 Super easy. 00:22:41.280 --> 00:22:46.920 So, it's low risk for them to engage in that conversation is a great idea. 00:22:47.040 --> 00:22:53.460 And I love the fact that you're capitalizing on this to, like, get engaged to meet people 00:22:53.460 --> 00:22:56.040 and then move them along to what's next. 00:22:56.620 --> 00:22:56.900 That's cool. 00:22:56.980 --> 00:22:57.340 Thank you. 00:22:57.500 --> 00:22:57.700 Yeah. 00:22:57.880 --> 00:22:58.280 That's awesome. 00:22:58.280 --> 00:23:00.780 I didn't know those stats about Messenger, though, but I'm definitely going to be telling 00:23:00.780 --> 00:23:01.640 everybody I know. 00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:02.080 That's good. 00:23:03.280 --> 00:23:05.760 Hey, let me just interject and remind us. 00:23:05.860 --> 00:23:06.880 We're talking metrics. 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:09.460 We're talking systems and processes. 00:23:10.380 --> 00:23:13.560 The point to all this is making disciples. 00:23:14.600 --> 00:23:17.260 And you guys have this amazing strategy. 00:23:17.420 --> 00:23:18.680 You're doing phenomenal work. 00:23:18.760 --> 00:23:24.100 It may sound a little corporate or salesy to some folks, but at the end of the day, you're 00:23:24.100 --> 00:23:28.800 reaching out to people with good news, and you're inviting them into community. 00:23:28.800 --> 00:23:35.680 And I wish more church planners would focus and start here, where you have, on relationships, 00:23:36.040 --> 00:23:41.920 on meeting people, on making those types of connections, as opposed to focused on, hey, 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:43.040 where are we going to meet? 00:23:43.120 --> 00:23:45.360 And what kind of sound system are we going to have? 00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:46.980 And what's my first year of sermons? 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:48.980 Dude, you'll get to that. 00:23:49.600 --> 00:23:55.520 You guys are making relationships and introducing people to Jesus and starting with just that 00:23:55.520 --> 00:23:57.400 real-life connection. 00:23:57.740 --> 00:23:59.100 That's why you're doing this. 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:01.460 And you can do it from afar. 00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:04.240 Oh, Patrick, this is genius. 00:24:04.940 --> 00:24:06.320 You know, so I love that you said that. 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:07.660 I'll tell you one more quick story. 00:24:07.760 --> 00:24:13.580 See, we had somebody that we met on some of the Facebook Messenger thing, and they've been 00:24:13.580 --> 00:24:14.980 distantly connected to what we're doing. 00:24:15.520 --> 00:24:19.660 But there was somebody in Columbus who reached out, whose husband just had a heart attack. 00:24:19.860 --> 00:24:23.740 He has a coronavirus, or he had a heart attack and coronavirus, and then they have a special 00:24:23.740 --> 00:24:24.260 needs son. 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:30.400 And so through somebody that we reached out to on Facebook, right, they got connected through 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:34.120 what we were doing, got her connected, and she reached out to us on Messenger. 00:24:34.600 --> 00:24:39.640 And so we were able to talk to her and do some, like you're saying, real ministry from 700 00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:40.200 miles away. 00:24:40.300 --> 00:24:41.580 I have no idea how many miles it is. 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:42.280 I just picked the number. 00:24:43.520 --> 00:24:47.360 And yeah, and it's been an amazing thing to be able to come alongside of her. 00:24:47.500 --> 00:24:49.660 So I'm just plus one-ing everything you're saying. 00:24:49.780 --> 00:24:51.140 God does work through all of that. 00:24:53.900 --> 00:24:58.640 I'm just curious, in your process, like, so you're having the conversation. 00:24:59.380 --> 00:25:01.000 You're in another state. 00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:06.800 You're launching, like, in 18 months, would you say fall 2021? 00:25:07.620 --> 00:25:12.400 And yeah, coronavirus launching anything physical is crazy at this point. 00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:16.700 What are you, what's the, what's the handoff? 00:25:16.820 --> 00:25:19.300 What are you trying to connect these people to? 00:25:19.380 --> 00:25:23.620 Like in your discipleship pathway, process strategy, whatever the word is, like, what's 00:25:23.620 --> 00:25:29.280 the next step for somebody who you're literally having this cold conversation with on Facebook 00:25:29.280 --> 00:25:29.740 Messenger? 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:30.800 So good. 00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:35.120 So, you know, we, coronavirus actually caused us to pivot slightly and, and it's been super 00:25:35.120 --> 00:25:36.700 helpful and super beneficial so far. 00:25:36.760 --> 00:25:40.720 So once we have that initial call with them now, what we're doing is we're inviting them 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:43.760 to a, to a Zoom group that we're having once a month. 00:25:44.120 --> 00:25:46.760 And we've started doing digital services online. 00:25:46.760 --> 00:25:50.120 And so we invite them to be a part of this group where they actually helped me craft the 00:25:50.120 --> 00:25:54.060 message, help us craft the service, give us input on the kinds of things that people 00:25:54.060 --> 00:25:55.580 in Columbus want to talk about, right? 00:25:55.600 --> 00:25:58.720 That's part of the advantage of being away is we get to go, I don't know what everybody's 00:25:58.720 --> 00:25:58.900 seeing. 00:25:58.980 --> 00:25:59.720 I don't know what they're feeling. 00:25:59.900 --> 00:26:00.800 You, you coach us. 00:26:01.060 --> 00:26:04.680 And so we invite them to this group and then we ask them to come and invite other people 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:05.060 to it. 00:26:05.100 --> 00:26:07.740 And because they spoke into it, you know, they're, they're much more likely to do that. 00:26:07.820 --> 00:26:11.160 So we're doing these monthly services online and, you know, they're scaled back. 00:26:11.220 --> 00:26:15.420 We have a GH4, we have one camera and a couple of lights, but, um, you know, it's, it's 00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:16.580 that, but we do that. 00:26:16.580 --> 00:26:19.860 And then we're seeing people like come over and, um, and that's great. 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:23.460 And then our end goal is that they would end up in a digital weekly small group of us. 00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:27.060 Um, you know, we were going to do dinner parties, but, uh, we can't. 00:26:27.460 --> 00:26:29.820 Um, and so we're doing these, uh, zoom groups online. 00:26:29.820 --> 00:26:30.440 We have one tonight. 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.120 Actually, I was texting some of the guys I was talking about earlier and they're coming 00:26:33.120 --> 00:26:35.340 tonight and we'll hop on, you know, a zoom call. 00:26:35.340 --> 00:26:39.300 And, and that way we can build relationships with each other, build our launch team, but 00:26:39.300 --> 00:26:42.200 also speak in disciple one another through those groups. 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:43.560 That's kind of our end goal right now. 00:26:43.820 --> 00:26:45.500 They're already doing it. 00:26:45.560 --> 00:26:46.740 They've already started. 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:53.240 They're already joining with God and they're not waiting until they are able to gather, whether 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:56.580 it be virtually or in person next year, whenever. 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:01.400 And once again, digital allows us to transcend geography. 00:27:01.780 --> 00:27:12.040 So you can do that from afar, whether it's 700 or 900 or you're doing it, which is, I think 00:27:12.040 --> 00:27:14.800 the key point you're doing it now. 00:27:14.800 --> 00:27:21.200 It's not as if this is all precursor or, you know, this is the, the preamble and then the 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:23.480 real, you know, whatever starts. 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:29.840 It's like, no, this is ministry now that will lead to more and something different in the 00:27:29.840 --> 00:27:31.800 future, but it's, it's authentic. 00:27:32.140 --> 00:27:34.980 And I just, I love that. 00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:37.980 So yeah, you're hosting virtual zoom groups. 00:27:38.180 --> 00:27:39.700 So someone goes through that. 00:27:39.780 --> 00:27:41.000 They have a conversation with you. 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:46.300 You're inviting them to be the expert, to participate by giving you feedback and input. 00:27:46.420 --> 00:27:48.100 You're not showing up with all the answers. 00:27:48.780 --> 00:27:49.840 They're contributing. 00:27:50.460 --> 00:27:51.320 What does that look like? 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:53.080 What are those, what are those groups talk about? 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:54.080 Yeah. 00:27:54.260 --> 00:27:55.120 So, you know, it's funny. 00:27:55.180 --> 00:27:59.960 I, I love, I'm sure most everyone's familiar with Josh Kelsey, Josh and Georgia Kelsey out 00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:00.440 in C3. 00:28:00.600 --> 00:28:01.380 They do dinner parties. 00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:04.960 I'm sure we've adapted a version of what, you know, they were doing, but it really is 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:08.240 that we'll come in, we'll spend about, you know, 60 to 75 minutes together. 00:28:08.520 --> 00:28:11.300 We'll play some sort of game at the beginning of those zoom calls. 00:28:11.380 --> 00:28:12.360 We'll tell stories. 00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:15.260 We're going around one person will tell a story like of their life. 00:28:15.340 --> 00:28:17.160 Then we go around and do that. 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:18.640 I do it very short. 00:28:18.980 --> 00:28:23.280 I mean, I, I jokingly call it a devotional, you know, from my, you know, Baptist background. 00:28:23.280 --> 00:28:26.260 I don't know if that would even be considered one, you know, but I'm doing a little, little, 00:28:26.380 --> 00:28:27.680 little devotional short thing. 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:31.160 And then at the end, uh, we actually, we, we thought it's gonna be really helpful. 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:35.300 We actually asked for prayer requests from people who are followers of Jesus or not. 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:39.020 And we believe that people are going to be leaning into that, especially in this time 00:28:39.020 --> 00:28:42.320 period, people want to at least engage in the spiritual transcendent part of it. 00:28:42.360 --> 00:28:43.680 And so we do that. 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.340 And then we, we hang out as long afterwards as they want to. 00:28:46.420 --> 00:28:50.240 The other night we had one and about half the call left and about half the call stayed 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:51.840 an additional hour, hour and a half. 00:28:51.840 --> 00:28:54.980 So, yeah, so that's, that's, that's kind of how we're doing it. 00:28:54.980 --> 00:28:57.660 And our, and our hope is once we get to a certain number, we'll just continue to replicate them 00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:01.040 or we can always break out into multiple rooms on the zoom call. 00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:03.440 So that's, you know, it's all about how many we can get there. 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:04.320 Yeah. 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.680 I mean, you're not slowing down because of zoom, uh, you're not because of coronavirus, 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.440 you're, you're ramping up and even utilizing the season to go with it. 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:12.760 Uh, Chiva, what are you thinking? 00:29:13.420 --> 00:29:18.200 Well, I question, you're not going to stop this when you get there. 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.860 And when you get on the ground and when you start being able to gather physically, I mean, 00:29:22.860 --> 00:29:26.680 you guys are learning lessons now that you'll carry with you. 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:27.780 I pray, correct? 00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:31.300 Because I'm thinking about this from the existing church standpoint. 00:29:31.820 --> 00:29:34.520 They're, you know, they, they, they're not building towards something. 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:35.380 They're already there. 00:29:35.820 --> 00:29:38.680 So they could do this too. 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:43.380 And you will continue to some, what will that look like once you get on the ground? 00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:49.000 And once you start gathering physically weekly, how will this carry over into that season? 00:29:49.660 --> 00:29:50.520 You know, it's funny. 00:29:50.600 --> 00:29:52.820 So we, I think we had felt this as a family. 00:29:52.940 --> 00:29:53.980 I'm in my early thirties. 00:29:54.040 --> 00:29:55.160 We have two young kids. 00:29:55.600 --> 00:29:56.620 And I love small groups. 00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:57.160 I believe in it. 00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:01.140 The idea of going to a small group is very difficult for young families right now. 00:30:01.820 --> 00:30:05.600 And so for us, before we even decided we were going to, before coronavirus hit, 00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:09.840 we said, we have to figure out a way to do this digitally once they go to bed. 00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:13.240 So yes, our hope is to continue doing this in terms of the reaching out. 00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:17.700 I'm sure at some point, Facebook will become something else that we utilize, you know, 00:30:17.740 --> 00:30:21.540 but, but the idea of how can we digitally make connections with people? 00:30:21.540 --> 00:30:23.680 We want to be on the front lines of doing that. 00:30:23.780 --> 00:30:26.500 And then, you know, also figure out a way to do it physically. 00:30:26.500 --> 00:30:28.660 So I'm, I'm sure we'll have services, but it's funny. 00:30:28.660 --> 00:30:33.660 Like I was, I was talking to a guy the other day who is a high level media person. 00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:37.340 And I think we were talking about the secular, you know, sort of approach to production right 00:30:37.340 --> 00:30:37.560 now. 00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:39.680 And I've, I've always been a part of attractional churches. 00:30:39.780 --> 00:30:42.780 I believe in it and I love moving lights and all the things, but what he said that was 00:30:42.780 --> 00:30:45.880 so interesting that he said, especially in this season, even coming out of it on the other 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:51.260 side of it, the most tractional thing is going to be the real and raw, even if it's online, 00:30:51.320 --> 00:30:53.520 the digital, real, raw, relational component. 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.080 That's the thing that's going to attract people because, I mean, Jimmy Fallon's at his house 00:30:57.080 --> 00:30:57.840 right now with his kids. 00:30:58.060 --> 00:30:58.440 You know what I mean? 00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:02.160 John Grzynski is doing the, you know, I mean, that's just a piece of the field. 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.100 So I think for us, that'll probably shift into production a little bit, but always doing 00:31:06.100 --> 00:31:06.420 this. 00:31:08.020 --> 00:31:11.780 This, this is the thing that I have, I've worked with Stadia. 00:31:12.080 --> 00:31:13.120 I just checked the calendar. 00:31:13.260 --> 00:31:15.380 I think it'll be, I'm coming up on my third month. 00:31:15.500 --> 00:31:16.320 So I'm kind of new. 00:31:16.600 --> 00:31:19.880 This has been the biggest lesson that I've learned in the three months that I've been here. 00:31:20.100 --> 00:31:22.320 And it's something that I probably should have known. 00:31:23.040 --> 00:31:27.780 And when, when, uh, Craig, my boss, when Craig said it to me, I was like, it was like somebody 00:31:27.780 --> 00:31:29.640 hit me over the head with a ton of bricks. 00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:31.600 I'm like, why have I never seen this before in my life? 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.020 So we all know Rick Warren's purpose-driven life, right? 00:31:35.040 --> 00:31:38.900 You know, connect to God serving, you know, we all have different languages. 00:31:38.900 --> 00:31:41.840 We all have different strategies, but there's a first base, there's a second base, there's 00:31:41.840 --> 00:31:44.840 a third base, and then hopefully a home plate mission. 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:46.840 Sometimes it's a baseball diamond. 00:31:46.840 --> 00:31:49.860 Sometimes it's three, one, two, three kind of approach. 00:31:50.100 --> 00:31:52.580 But everything starts with the big service, right? 00:31:53.180 --> 00:32:01.320 And so for, for years, I struggled with working in, in mega giga church environments where the 00:32:01.320 --> 00:32:02.900 one is the first step. 00:32:02.900 --> 00:32:09.520 And so, and you're trying to gather hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, you know, churches 00:32:09.520 --> 00:32:14.180 are telling me they saw hundreds of thousands of people in, in Easter environments this year. 00:32:14.180 --> 00:32:19.800 Coronavirus, things are skyrocketing where there's more attendance online than ever before. 00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:22.740 50% of churches are growing, according to Kerry Newhoff. 00:32:23.060 --> 00:32:24.720 So we're seeing this spike. 00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:26.340 Who are these people? 00:32:26.840 --> 00:32:28.200 Who are they actually? 00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:29.460 Where are they coming from? 00:32:29.520 --> 00:32:30.240 What's their story? 00:32:30.620 --> 00:32:35.540 How can we as a church minister to them more than just creating video content for them to 00:32:35.540 --> 00:32:35.940 process? 00:32:36.140 --> 00:32:38.620 How do we engage in a two-way conversation? 00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:39.820 It was interesting. 00:32:39.940 --> 00:32:44.280 I challenged one of my churches, the church that I work with here in Miami called Christ Journey, 00:32:44.280 --> 00:32:45.320 and I challenged them to that. 00:32:45.980 --> 00:32:51.460 And they, they actually, we did some things on Facebook through groups to get names. 00:32:51.460 --> 00:32:57.040 And so we grabbed the names, engaged them on Facebook Messenger, had several hundred conversations 00:32:57.040 --> 00:32:57.580 off it. 00:32:57.640 --> 00:32:59.840 People that we didn't have names of before. 00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:02.200 One of the ladies, this is her story. 00:33:02.320 --> 00:33:07.620 She lives in St. Augustine, Florida, which is probably five to six hours away from Miami. 00:33:07.820 --> 00:33:08.900 She's never been to Christ Journey. 00:33:08.900 --> 00:33:10.760 She doesn't know anything really about the church. 00:33:10.860 --> 00:33:14.580 She Googled us, found the service, got attached to it. 00:33:14.660 --> 00:33:18.580 By the way, she's not sure that her church is a small church. 00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:19.620 They're not streaming anything. 00:33:20.040 --> 00:33:21.340 So she doesn't have a church. 00:33:21.460 --> 00:33:23.160 Christ Journey is her church for the season. 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.800 And she doesn't know if her church is going to open because the longer this stretch goes, 00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.220 the harder economically it's going to be for these smaller churches to survive. 00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:38.240 So utilizing a one-on-one conversation via Facebook Messenger, Christ Journey was able 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:42.900 to learn something in greater detail of how to minister to the group overall, because this 00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:44.840 is just one story of multiple. 00:33:45.580 --> 00:33:49.640 All of a sudden, instead of going, you know, let's go group first. 00:33:50.120 --> 00:33:51.720 What if we went backwards? 00:33:52.340 --> 00:33:55.200 What if we went individual first and built on it? 00:33:55.620 --> 00:33:59.980 And so you see, for years, I've been wrestling with, we're doing this backwards. 00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:01.040 We shouldn't be going big. 00:34:01.080 --> 00:34:02.060 We should be going individual. 00:34:02.860 --> 00:34:07.820 But the mega mentality that just environments that I've worked in, no, you got to go big 00:34:07.820 --> 00:34:08.040 first. 00:34:08.080 --> 00:34:09.000 You got to go big first. 00:34:09.520 --> 00:34:13.960 It wasn't until I was in this like church planning environment where it's like, well, 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:15.900 of course you go small first, Jeff. 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:16.620 What were you thinking? 00:34:17.140 --> 00:34:18.720 Chivo, you've lived this. 00:34:18.860 --> 00:34:19.880 What are you thinking off of this? 00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:22.120 Well, here's the both end, right? 00:34:22.420 --> 00:34:25.580 God has clearly worked through large established churches. 00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:30.360 And there's something to be said for those of us that have been Christ followers for a 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:30.640 long time. 00:34:30.640 --> 00:34:32.000 I love corporate worship. 00:34:32.200 --> 00:34:34.580 I love, you know, great preaching. 00:34:34.740 --> 00:34:38.180 I love being a part of a church that gathers. 00:34:38.580 --> 00:34:41.680 But I'm one segment of the population. 00:34:42.560 --> 00:34:45.460 And I think it was Alan Hirsch who said this a long time ago. 00:34:45.520 --> 00:34:48.560 You have all these churches fighting over that segment. 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:53.560 Meanwhile, there's this whole other segment of people who probably aren't interested in that 00:34:53.560 --> 00:35:00.740 and won't do that, but they might have a conversation with you, Patrick, or they might stream something. 00:35:00.740 --> 00:35:07.440 They might be open to engaging virtually because it gives them a different sort of connection and 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:08.800 engagement and so forth. 00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:10.280 Why? 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:11.800 Why would we neglect them? 00:35:11.980 --> 00:35:13.080 Why would we compel you? 00:35:13.300 --> 00:35:16.620 Well, in order to be a part of the church, you have to physically show up on Sunday. 00:35:17.160 --> 00:35:21.800 Well, we've just alienated a whole bunch of people who need the hope of the gospel. 00:35:22.040 --> 00:35:25.520 So, yeah, if they're not willing to come to us, let's go to them. 00:35:25.680 --> 00:35:30.160 Let's be missionaries and do that in this space. 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.920 I just love what you're doing and what you're recognizing here in terms of, yeah, this will 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:41.140 carry over and, yeah, there may be, okay, thousands of people watched a stream online. 00:35:41.580 --> 00:35:43.180 How many of them are going to show up? 00:35:44.220 --> 00:35:44.800 That's good. 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:52.060 But how many of them would continue to engage at some level if we would reach out to them 00:35:52.060 --> 00:35:54.380 and invite them into a conversation? 00:35:54.820 --> 00:35:56.020 Patrick, you're doing it. 00:35:56.080 --> 00:35:56.780 I love it. 00:35:57.520 --> 00:36:01.260 And I love what you're saying, too, because I would say for a long time, you've heard 00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:04.340 this even about like megachurch models, which, you know, we've been a part of for a long 00:36:04.340 --> 00:36:08.700 time, is the model is going to have to change where I almost go like, I feel like what we're 00:36:08.700 --> 00:36:12.340 talking about now and what we're seeing, even with some of the larger churches, it's more 00:36:12.340 --> 00:36:13.040 of an addition to. 00:36:13.120 --> 00:36:17.180 There are large people that will come to that gathering, but there are, like you're saying, 00:36:17.220 --> 00:36:18.780 there are a ton of people that never would. 00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:21.720 And so, you know, it is, it's easier than we think it is. 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:23.860 And the model doesn't necessarily have to upend everything. 00:36:24.060 --> 00:36:24.840 It's more of an addition. 00:36:25.160 --> 00:36:25.920 So, yeah. 00:36:26.620 --> 00:36:27.180 All right. 00:36:27.220 --> 00:36:29.140 So, I'm a church planter. 00:36:29.900 --> 00:36:32.740 I am intrigued by what you're talking about. 00:36:33.120 --> 00:36:35.840 I'm thinking about doing something similar. 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:37.920 Where do I start? 00:36:38.120 --> 00:36:38.820 What do I do? 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:40.680 Yeah. 00:36:41.200 --> 00:36:46.600 So, you know, what we did is we just, I think it took a lot of courage to do the first 10. 00:36:46.600 --> 00:36:49.500 So, I think you just commit to do it 10 times. 00:36:50.080 --> 00:36:52.620 And then if that doesn't work, do it another 10 times. 00:36:52.700 --> 00:36:54.520 Give yourself a couple of weeks of a window. 00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:56.900 And then once you have your first conversation, it'll be easier. 00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:58.700 We literally started in the group. 00:36:58.820 --> 00:37:01.420 So, I would say go start in a Facebook group. 00:37:01.580 --> 00:37:05.680 An easy way to do it is the town that you're going to, most of them have a Facebook group 00:37:05.680 --> 00:37:06.240 or a page. 00:37:06.600 --> 00:37:07.420 Go to that page. 00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:09.520 Find the last five things that they posted. 00:37:09.740 --> 00:37:11.300 And then go see the people that are liking it. 00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:13.380 Add them and send a message. 00:37:13.700 --> 00:37:18.220 And then I would say find the smartest people you can, if you're anything like me, who can 00:37:18.220 --> 00:37:21.940 actually track the data because the data informs all the other next steps. 00:37:22.200 --> 00:37:23.460 And that's what I would say. 00:37:24.240 --> 00:37:28.400 Just real quick, tell me some examples, some groups that you would harvest information. 00:37:28.620 --> 00:37:31.220 I feel bad even saying that, that you'd harvest information. 00:37:31.340 --> 00:37:33.880 That may not be the right word, but that you were working. 00:37:34.200 --> 00:37:38.660 Like, what are some examples, community groups, where you were looking in for Columbus? 00:37:38.660 --> 00:37:40.280 Shattering seed, where are you? 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:41.800 Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 00:37:42.620 --> 00:37:47.540 You know, so we really went, I would go, two of the areas we're looking at are Dublin and 00:37:47.540 --> 00:37:48.740 then New Albany and Columbus. 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.060 Those are just kind of, you know, segmented parts of Columbus. 00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:53.560 We went to there and went to their pages. 00:37:54.020 --> 00:37:56.840 And, you know, Dublin's actually just added a bridge and they're building out all this 00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:57.120 stuff. 00:37:57.200 --> 00:37:58.660 We'd go there, find the people there. 00:37:58.780 --> 00:37:59.880 Like, so we'd go to the city pages. 00:38:00.380 --> 00:38:04.280 When it comes to like Christian colleges, a lot of, if you find a Christian college near 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.600 the city that you're in, a lot of those colleges will have Christian groups that 00:38:07.600 --> 00:38:09.720 you can go find and you can kind of add people. 00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:11.800 Again, you're kind of wanting to get both sides of it. 00:38:12.340 --> 00:38:15.400 I think one of the things that we're talking about right now, we haven't dove too deep in. 00:38:15.460 --> 00:38:18.420 So maybe somebody listening to this will and then they'll coach us on it. 00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:23.120 But, you know, we're trying to say, hey, there are people who are already social influencers, 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.300 specifically, you know, parents or like mom blogs or this kind of thing. 00:38:27.620 --> 00:38:31.160 And what we're saying is we want to be helpful in these spaces just like they are. 00:38:31.240 --> 00:38:34.340 How do we make those connections with those people that can kind of leverage networks 00:38:34.340 --> 00:38:36.100 together and partner to do those kinds of things? 00:38:36.240 --> 00:38:37.460 We're trying to do that right now. 00:38:37.520 --> 00:38:39.280 But those are a few places that we've looked. 00:38:39.680 --> 00:38:41.100 Obviously, the business networkers. 00:38:41.140 --> 00:38:44.720 If you find the business networkers in your community, you know, they want to be helpful 00:38:44.720 --> 00:38:47.020 and they're going to make some connections too. 00:38:47.700 --> 00:38:54.360 Going with the goers is a phrase that we've embraced here with Stadia for a long time. 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:55.460 And you're doing that. 00:38:56.120 --> 00:38:58.220 I just want to acknowledge something here, Patrick. 00:38:59.040 --> 00:39:04.820 You are out at the leading edge of something that we are excited to be supportive of. 00:39:04.900 --> 00:39:08.060 I'm so glad that we get to support you via Stadia. 00:39:08.060 --> 00:39:12.040 I know you come from an amazing church planting church at Kensington. 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:14.500 And also, we're fortunate. 00:39:14.700 --> 00:39:16.540 I mean, it's for such a time as this. 00:39:17.100 --> 00:39:18.340 Three months, Jeff? 00:39:18.380 --> 00:39:19.000 Is that all? 00:39:19.140 --> 00:39:25.120 I mean, clearly you've been a prophet in this space, in this sector for a long time. 00:39:25.120 --> 00:39:30.640 And I'm so grateful for the platform you have and the way people are now tuning in to pay 00:39:30.640 --> 00:39:36.200 attention and recognize, hey, that guy's got some really important things to say. 00:39:36.380 --> 00:39:40.580 So I'm just, I'm grateful to be connected with both of you and associated. 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:47.480 I'm grateful for Stadia's leadership, recognizing this opportunity and encouraging both of you 00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:51.640 in this innovative online digital ministry. 00:39:51.640 --> 00:39:54.780 I just want to say well done to both of you. 00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:56.540 Thank you. 00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:57.260 Thank you so much. 00:39:57.260 --> 00:40:01.480 Yeah, so I've already told Patrick when I retire, he's going to take over my job with Stadia 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:02.500 and it's going to be awesome. 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:05.220 So I've already duplicated myself in hell. 00:40:05.260 --> 00:40:07.120 Patrick, we're both going to work for you someday. 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.460 Just remember, go first. 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:11.040 No, no, no, no, no. 00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.440 Rule number one is surround yourself with smart people and then do whatever they tell you, 00:40:16.460 --> 00:40:16.660 right? 00:40:16.660 --> 00:40:21.240 So it's been, it's been a lot of fun and looking forward to more. 00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:24.900 It's been, you know, it's, I always feel weird when I'm like, it's been fun in the midst 00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:29.540 of coronavirus as people are dying and there's massive pandemic and economies are crashing. 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:35.880 But I think, I think it's, it's interesting to see the church pivot in the season relatively 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:40.540 successfully, uh, understanding some things, you know, it's funny, let's make it the Alan 00:40:40.540 --> 00:40:41.520 Hirsch podcast. 00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:46.420 Um, take, you know, if you want to learn how to play chess, you got to take the queen off 00:40:46.420 --> 00:40:51.020 the board, um, the most powerful piece, then you really learn how to use the other pieces 00:40:51.020 --> 00:40:56.980 and for centuries, the, the weekend service, okay, maybe decades, the weekend service was 00:40:56.980 --> 00:41:04.560 really the, uh, the queen of it and taking it off, um, learning other processes, uh, and 00:41:04.560 --> 00:41:09.700 how to use some of these other tools effectively, even tools that churches don't know they have, 00:41:09.700 --> 00:41:17.540 like how to crowdsource information off of Facebook to use it, to meet and capitalize with more. 00:41:17.540 --> 00:41:19.340 It's just so, so good. 00:41:20.520 --> 00:41:26.740 Well, Jeff, you and I were on another call earlier today where one of our teammates, uh, made an 00:41:26.740 --> 00:41:32.340 analogy this season that we're in, you know, we're recording this the week of Easter and it's 00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:39.300 almost as if this is a season where we're in the tomb, you know, it's, it's sort of the 00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:40.020 sad Saturday. 00:41:40.820 --> 00:41:45.720 There's a lot of us going, oh my goodness, they just crucified our Lord. 00:41:45.720 --> 00:41:53.820 Like we, we thought he was going to redeem and, but Sunday's coming and the resurrection and 00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:59.460 the hope and the way the church is going to resurrect coming out of this season. 00:42:01.200 --> 00:42:02.240 Buckle up friends. 00:42:02.240 --> 00:42:03.320 It's going to be amazing. 00:42:03.580 --> 00:42:05.420 I can't wait to see what God does. 00:42:05.520 --> 00:42:08.640 And yeah, it's, it's going to be through new life. 00:42:08.900 --> 00:42:14.200 Like this church you're planting, Patrick, like this ministry that you're leading us in, Jeff. 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.460 It's sad Saturday with the coronavirus, but Sunday's coming. 00:42:20.120 --> 00:42:20.320 Amen. 00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:23.340 And we're going to, we're going to land the plane on that. 00:42:23.420 --> 00:42:24.140 That was eloquent. 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.460 Well said, uh, Chivo pulling it in. 00:42:26.540 --> 00:42:27.140 That was great. 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.940 Hey, uh, closing, closing thoughts from, from either of you. 00:42:31.020 --> 00:42:33.900 Uh, Patrick in anything as we're landing the plane here. 00:42:34.540 --> 00:42:37.860 You know, I think if I would just say one thing to, you know, talking to church planners, 00:42:37.940 --> 00:42:41.140 we've made so many new friends on this, you know, there are moments where you feel discouraged 00:42:41.140 --> 00:42:42.540 or you're like, Hey, we're quarantined. 00:42:42.640 --> 00:42:43.820 How am I going to launch this church? 00:42:43.820 --> 00:42:46.940 And I think my wife and I were talking to me tonight and we were just feeling not only 00:42:46.940 --> 00:42:50.680 did God call us to plant a church, he called us to do it during this time period, which 00:42:50.680 --> 00:42:54.360 means we're going to have to figure out new ways, but that's part of the calling that 00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:55.040 he's called us to. 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.640 And if he's called us to it, he'll be faithful through it. 00:42:57.680 --> 00:43:02.140 And so I, I feel like for us, that's where we're trying to land and, and yeah, so yeah. 00:43:02.560 --> 00:43:03.960 Coronavirus is an opportunity. 00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:04.860 It's not an excuse. 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:05.480 I love that. 00:43:06.580 --> 00:43:08.040 Chivo landed in the plane thoughts. 00:43:08.820 --> 00:43:09.980 I just, yes. 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.380 And amen to, to both of you, uh, for such a time as this, clearly it's the case. 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.060 Um, Patrick, I look forward to following along. 00:43:19.160 --> 00:43:20.160 I hope you'll update us. 00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:24.180 Maybe Jeff will even bring you back and you can share, okay, how has this continued to 00:43:24.180 --> 00:43:26.580 develop in the season that comes? 00:43:26.720 --> 00:43:31.020 So thank you for your time and for sharing your insights, your creativity. 00:43:31.340 --> 00:43:36.380 I know a lot of leaders are going to learn from you and I pray that they'll follow and 00:43:36.380 --> 00:43:42.780 reach out to their community as proactively and intentionally as you have, even from a distance. 00:43:43.120 --> 00:43:43.980 Mad respect, brother. 00:43:44.120 --> 00:43:44.600 Thank you. 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:45.540 Amen. 00:43:46.100 --> 00:43:46.440 All right. 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:47.980 Hey, so we're, we're going to wrap on that. 00:43:48.020 --> 00:43:49.580 This has been a, been a great podcast. 00:43:49.580 --> 00:43:51.660 I mean, Patrick, thank you for jumping on here. 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.160 Chivo, thanks for, for jumping on as well. 00:43:54.160 --> 00:43:55.700 And, and, and co-hosting with me. 00:43:55.820 --> 00:43:58.860 I, um, I've, I've loved the experience with Stadia. 00:43:59.040 --> 00:44:03.960 Uh, I've loved understanding it completely different side of ministry for me on, on this 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:04.840 church planting side. 00:44:04.900 --> 00:44:08.220 I'm, I'm still green in a, in a lot of different areas. 00:44:08.220 --> 00:44:12.160 And so love having, uh, as he's wearing a green shirt, that's awkward. 00:44:12.520 --> 00:44:14.080 Um, yeah, nevermind. 00:44:14.140 --> 00:44:18.240 I may have cut that out cause that was just weird, but this has been an awesome time. 00:44:18.240 --> 00:44:22.320 So I'm, um, I'm going to leave it just to end on a laugh. 00:44:22.640 --> 00:44:23.260 Why not? 00:44:23.680 --> 00:44:27.720 So we're, we're going to land and I'm going to shut up for Patrick, for, for Chivo. 00:44:28.020 --> 00:44:29.520 Uh, this is Jeff, the church digital. 00:44:29.620 --> 00:44:30.320 Thanks for joining us. 00:44:30.380 --> 00:44:32.200 We'll see you next time here on the podcast. 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:32.760 Y'all have a good day.