WEBVTT 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:09.300 Hey, this is Jeff with The Church Digital. We're going to get started with the episode here in just a minute, but before we get there, we all know Stadia, the organization that's been powering The Church.Digital. 00:00:09.740 --> 00:00:19.540 Well, guess what? Stadia is opening up some learning communities. We've been doing this for a while now. We've got about 70 churches that are actually part of these learning communities. 00:00:19.540 --> 00:00:29.340 They're learning how to thrive, grow, and multiply, not just physically, not just digitally, but digitally, the combining of physical and digital. 00:00:29.340 --> 00:00:36.300 And it's been a beautiful, beautiful thing. We've got content coming in from churches like Crossroads, from Saddleback, like Church Home. 00:00:36.720 --> 00:00:42.680 But guess what? It's not a content thing. Content's nice. Content doesn't change your church. Let's just say it. 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It's been fun. 00:01:51.960 --> 00:01:54.920 But let's go ahead and get you now to that podcast episode. 00:01:54.920 --> 00:02:01.560 Episode 67 of the Church Digital Podcast, powered, once again, powered by Stadia Church Planting. 00:02:01.800 --> 00:02:03.460 We've got a great episode. 00:02:03.600 --> 00:02:06.700 My gosh, I've said we've got a great episode 67 times. 00:02:06.780 --> 00:02:09.380 But really, listen, I love this guy. 00:02:09.540 --> 00:02:12.820 I'm going to love this episode, and I'm hoping you will too. 00:02:12.920 --> 00:02:24.320 We're bringing back a good friend of the show, a regular, a frequent guest here on the podcast, Tyler Sansom from First Capital Christian Church up in Corden, Indiana. 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:31.080 It's funny, whenever people tell me, and I may have said this in the podcast, I don't remember, but like when people ask me, 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:34.620 Hey, Jeff, what church is really doing Church Online well? 00:02:34.860 --> 00:02:42.260 You know, they normally expect me to say like the Elevations and the Saddlebacks, you know, some of these larger churches. 00:02:42.380 --> 00:02:44.040 And those guys are doing a great job. 00:02:44.940 --> 00:02:52.040 But pound for pound, dollar to dollar, the best church that I know of that's doing Church Online right now, First Capital Christian Church in Corden, Indiana. 00:02:52.220 --> 00:02:52.820 It's crazy. 00:02:53.320 --> 00:02:54.940 They're under 1,000 in attendance. 00:02:54.940 --> 00:03:05.140 The stuff that they're doing online, quality of production, discipleship process, evangelism, reaching out into the community, micro locations even. 00:03:05.300 --> 00:03:12.680 This online to offline philosophy where they're utilizing online to impact the real world all the way across the board. 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:13.900 First Capital is incredible. 00:03:14.500 --> 00:03:20.860 And it's funny, I didn't even realize really where the core of all of this came from until this podcast. 00:03:21.380 --> 00:03:26.920 Tyler Sansom said something today that I had never heard any online pastor say before. 00:03:27.320 --> 00:03:33.140 And now that I've heard it, I am going to tell as many people as possible what I heard in this podcast. 00:03:33.300 --> 00:03:39.160 So online pastor, digital pastor, church who's kind of thinking about what should I do in this COVID season? 00:03:39.620 --> 00:03:40.940 What's the secret to all this? 00:03:41.060 --> 00:03:43.020 Tyler's going to tell you the formula right here. 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:50.540 It's not a silver bullet, but it's something that's going to revolutionize the way that you look at online right here in this podcast. 00:03:50.540 --> 00:03:52.600 So I'm going to, we're going to just get to it. 00:03:52.600 --> 00:04:09.360 I got myself, Jeff, the church digital, Tyler Sansom, First Capital Christian Church, Ray DeArmis, who is the digital pastor, co-host, once again, digital pastor from Christ Fellowship Miami, with an episode that I'm calling The Relational Approach to Church Online. 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:11.420 Okay, everybody, here you go. 00:04:11.780 --> 00:04:15.240 It's been a minute or two since Tyler's been on the podcast. 00:04:15.580 --> 00:04:15.880 Too long. 00:04:16.640 --> 00:04:17.300 Man, too long. 00:04:17.380 --> 00:04:18.920 He was like all over the place. 00:04:19.100 --> 00:04:23.140 And of course, in the COVID season, one week feels like, you know, a decade. 00:04:23.740 --> 00:04:26.460 So I'm not actually sure the last time he was on. 00:04:27.020 --> 00:04:31.080 But I think this is like episode five or six with him overall. 00:04:31.540 --> 00:04:36.240 Definitely love what's happening over at First Capital, Church Anywhere. 00:04:37.080 --> 00:04:40.800 Maybe, obviously, we've got a lot of new podcast listeners since then. 00:04:40.940 --> 00:04:42.660 So maybe Tyler, just open up. 00:04:42.740 --> 00:04:43.760 Tell a little bit about yourself. 00:04:43.940 --> 00:04:45.860 Explain a little bit about what Church Anywhere is. 00:04:46.260 --> 00:04:51.600 Tyler, maybe just introduce yourself a little bit and talk a little bit about who you are and First Capital Church Anywhere. 00:04:52.180 --> 00:04:52.320 Sure. 00:04:52.760 --> 00:04:54.400 My name is Tyler Sansom. 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:59.860 I am the engagement pastor at First Capital Christian Church in Cordon, Indiana. 00:05:00.640 --> 00:05:08.500 We've been doing online ministry for about five years now with an online campus, full-fledged, that kind of deal. 00:05:08.700 --> 00:05:10.300 And I've been overseeing that for a while. 00:05:10.840 --> 00:05:17.440 It kind of morphed into more of a online to offline model called Church Anywhere. 00:05:17.740 --> 00:05:27.320 So last year, we saw somewhere around 700 people per weekend physically gathering to be in microsite locations. 00:05:27.960 --> 00:05:33.560 So I got to train up all the volunteer leaders and campus pastors and all that good stuff for them. 00:05:34.060 --> 00:05:36.580 I'm married to an awesome wife named Sarah. 00:05:36.760 --> 00:05:42.660 And we just finalized our adoption to our 17-year-old daughter, Leanne, at the end of February. 00:05:43.200 --> 00:05:43.640 Congratulations. 00:05:43.840 --> 00:05:43.980 Yeah. 00:05:44.180 --> 00:05:50.440 And just for kicks, because you're not old enough to have a 17-year-old daughter. 00:05:51.400 --> 00:05:52.660 Are you even 30? 00:05:52.760 --> 00:05:53.540 How old are you? 00:05:54.200 --> 00:05:55.160 No, I didn't think so. 00:05:55.380 --> 00:05:55.800 27. 00:05:56.460 --> 00:05:56.980 27. 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:59.300 So you've adopted a 17-year-old. 00:05:59.900 --> 00:06:01.560 But just 30 seconds. 00:06:01.640 --> 00:06:03.960 Tell the story of that, because this is an awesome story. 00:06:04.340 --> 00:06:06.940 Yeah, so we actually met her through Church Anywhere. 00:06:07.180 --> 00:06:12.260 One of the microsite locations is at a youth shelter for kids in the foster care system. 00:06:12.620 --> 00:06:14.960 And so we met her, fell in love with her. 00:06:15.520 --> 00:06:17.060 We fostered her for over a year. 00:06:17.640 --> 00:06:19.620 And then we adopted her at the end of February. 00:06:20.620 --> 00:06:23.700 You know, just talk about living the ministry where you're at. 00:06:23.700 --> 00:06:32.520 You guys set up a micro-location at a, what'd you call it, a foster care orphanage? 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:33.820 A youth shelter, yeah. 00:06:33.960 --> 00:06:35.400 Youth shelter, like that. 00:06:35.760 --> 00:06:40.080 Build a relationship with a high schooler and end up adopting her. 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:45.980 So that's a great story of just like owning the ministry and, you know, love you guys 00:06:45.980 --> 00:06:51.640 for doing that and the church for being supportive and reaching out as much as it is. 00:06:51.960 --> 00:06:55.140 So you said 700 as of last year. 00:06:56.020 --> 00:06:56.680 It's funny. 00:06:56.820 --> 00:07:00.520 In the past, I've just, I've joked a lot that your micro-locations are always seems to 00:07:00.520 --> 00:07:01.080 be a new one. 00:07:01.840 --> 00:07:03.480 Last I heard, there were like 16. 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:04.380 Where are you guys up now? 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:05.100 Like 35? 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:06.240 Kind of, where are you at now? 00:07:06.520 --> 00:07:07.940 No, we're at 18 now. 00:07:08.020 --> 00:07:09.520 So we've opened a team since the last time. 00:07:09.960 --> 00:07:10.360 Awesome. 00:07:10.840 --> 00:07:16.020 And so, because what I love about First Capital with the church anywhere is the locations 00:07:16.020 --> 00:07:17.120 that you put them in. 00:07:17.420 --> 00:07:22.500 It's not like a home reaching out to the neighbors or it's not a micro-location where somebody's 00:07:22.500 --> 00:07:26.440 just being lazy and not wanting to come in and get off the couch in the morning. 00:07:26.540 --> 00:07:27.700 Not that there's anything wrong with that. 00:07:27.760 --> 00:07:28.540 That's another podcast. 00:07:29.260 --> 00:07:32.880 But there's very intentional placement towards these. 00:07:33.080 --> 00:07:35.560 So like what type, so obviously we talked about this youth center. 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:39.560 What other places do you typically put this stuff, put these micro-locations into? 00:07:39.760 --> 00:07:40.080 Sure. 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:43.400 We have our typical like people meeting in homes, gathering. 00:07:44.020 --> 00:07:45.160 That's just not the majority. 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:47.900 We're very intentional about missional community. 00:07:48.580 --> 00:07:51.960 And so empowering our people to go out and be the church. 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:53.460 This is why we call it church anywhere. 00:07:53.640 --> 00:07:55.100 You can be the church, comma, anywhere. 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:57.980 And so it's very passion-based. 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:02.800 There's micro-sites in jails and prisons because people are passionate about reaching those 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:07.580 people, but there's also homeless micro-sites where homeless people will gather and be led 00:08:07.580 --> 00:08:08.540 by one of our people. 00:08:09.880 --> 00:08:13.180 There's any, you name it, we have it pretty much. 00:08:13.280 --> 00:08:16.600 Elementary schools, youth shelters, all that stuff. 00:08:17.260 --> 00:08:17.720 Awesome. 00:08:18.260 --> 00:08:23.460 The, what is it, the Huntington's Disease Rehab Center, by far my favorite story. 00:08:23.540 --> 00:08:27.700 You can go back and listen to the podcast stories from Church Anywhere. 00:08:28.260 --> 00:08:30.100 We talked to some of the volunteers towards it. 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.700 By the way, everybody I ever talk to about church online. 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.220 And so Tyler, I'm going to compliment you on this. 00:08:37.040 --> 00:08:40.820 Anyway, if somebody says, hey, Jeff, who's doing church online right? 00:08:41.420 --> 00:08:46.220 Usually they want me to say names like Saddleback, like Life Church, like Crossroads, some of 00:08:46.220 --> 00:08:50.040 these Elevation, some of these mega, giga churches that are out there. 00:08:50.800 --> 00:08:54.040 I will always say First Capital Christian. 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:02.440 And it's not necessarily the size of it as much as the fact that what you guys are doing 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:09.020 in ministry and how you're enabling people to be on personal mission is so powerful. 00:09:09.400 --> 00:09:13.380 Like the fact that you're developing a prison ministry, not because you as a church want 00:09:13.380 --> 00:09:16.900 to develop a prison ministry, but you're discipling people to a place where they understand the 00:09:16.900 --> 00:09:20.180 calling on their life and they're passionate about doing the prison ministry. 00:09:20.280 --> 00:09:22.720 And then you're resourcing and empowering them to go there. 00:09:23.140 --> 00:09:27.800 I could literally turn this podcast into a commercial for Church Anywhere. 00:09:27.900 --> 00:09:28.780 I don't want to do that. 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:30.660 I've done that multiple times in the past. 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:32.760 You can go back and listen to those podcasts. 00:09:32.880 --> 00:09:39.220 But it is powerful to see when we look at the church online as a distribution network of 00:09:39.220 --> 00:09:45.440 the gospel and how you've done that, where you're empowering people online to learn through 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:53.620 discipleship, disciple making, and then releasing them into communities to enact this gospel in 00:09:53.620 --> 00:09:55.860 the physical world, in the physical realm. 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.200 It's a beautiful, beautiful thing. 00:09:58.940 --> 00:10:02.680 I was actually planning on hanging out with you here in a couple of weeks, man. 00:10:02.700 --> 00:10:08.180 I was supposed to be up in Kansas City like the first week of May. 00:10:08.560 --> 00:10:11.200 And so I actually had already bought the ticket to stop over. 00:10:11.340 --> 00:10:14.400 And I was going to hang out on a Sunday and actually see it. 00:10:14.660 --> 00:10:17.220 And, well, you know, coronavirus happened, which is a thing. 00:10:17.760 --> 00:10:19.200 And so, yeah, life goes on. 00:10:19.940 --> 00:10:21.340 Well, here's what I wanted to talk about. 00:10:21.420 --> 00:10:22.640 I really want to dive into this. 00:10:22.820 --> 00:10:30.040 Looking at COVID, looking at this season, talking with churches, obviously we escalated in a 00:10:30.040 --> 00:10:35.300 hurry getting from, hey, we're not even sure we like this church online stuff. 00:10:35.300 --> 00:10:39.600 The average church in America was saying, as opposed to, oh, now we're all cards in. 00:10:39.660 --> 00:10:40.580 We've got to be. 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:45.260 We look at Life.Church, a church online platform. 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:50.300 They went from 5,000, 6,000 churches to 24,000 overnight. 00:10:51.780 --> 00:10:58.320 LifeWay is telling us that at this point, 61% of churches are doing something online or broadcasting 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.820 some sort of services online, as opposed to pre-COVID. 00:11:01.880 --> 00:11:03.220 It was probably closer to 10. 00:11:03.700 --> 00:11:08.460 So there's this radical shift of services being broadcast. 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:14.960 And on top of just the services, there's all this content that's being generated while pastors 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:21.880 and creative departments are trying to, like, do content regularly, daily, sometimes even 00:11:21.880 --> 00:11:22.940 multiple times a day. 00:11:22.940 --> 00:11:28.820 And I love this content, but we're really missing a lot of the community, a lot of the 00:11:28.820 --> 00:11:29.740 conversation. 00:11:30.460 --> 00:11:33.020 I wrote a blog earlier about how we were conversation-starved. 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:39.140 And so there's this opportunity for us to actually, like, talk to people, talk to one another. 00:11:39.680 --> 00:11:44.000 And this is really missing, I think, in where we are today. 00:11:44.260 --> 00:11:45.240 And I'm just curious. 00:11:46.900 --> 00:11:51.500 Tyler, Ray, both you guys have been very good with church online. 00:11:52.060 --> 00:11:53.060 And you're seeing it. 00:11:53.060 --> 00:11:57.080 But the thing that I love is you're also relational in the space. 00:11:57.080 --> 00:12:01.460 What does it mean to engage someone? 00:12:01.540 --> 00:12:05.340 What does it mean to be relational in context of church online? 00:12:05.580 --> 00:12:07.220 How do you do this? 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:09.680 Tyler, what do you think? 00:12:09.920 --> 00:12:17.360 Yeah, something that I've been challenged with by our leadership at First Capital, probably, 00:12:17.460 --> 00:12:21.800 I think, two years ago is when we started this, but they finally wrote me a job description, 00:12:22.180 --> 00:12:26.900 which anybody that's in church online knows that there's no, like, job description for what 00:12:26.900 --> 00:12:27.180 we do. 00:12:27.260 --> 00:12:28.920 Nobody has any idea what we do. 00:12:29.660 --> 00:12:31.740 And so they wrote me this job description. 00:12:31.880 --> 00:12:36.560 And one of the things on there was they want me to know 100 people online. 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:41.680 So that really shifted the way that I thought about ministry. 00:12:42.460 --> 00:12:50.100 So instead of seeking large numbers who are watching, that kind of thing, I shifted more 00:12:50.100 --> 00:12:56.640 to how do I, one, create relationships with people and actually feel like they're my friends? 00:12:57.400 --> 00:13:02.880 And two, how do I take those friends of mine and move them through next steps in engaging 00:13:02.880 --> 00:13:03.260 them? 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.040 So instead of leaving them where they're at, like, if I have a friend, I don't want them 00:13:07.040 --> 00:13:08.860 to stay a baby Christian their whole life. 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:11.640 I want to help them become a full follower of Jesus. 00:13:11.980 --> 00:13:18.900 So if I start viewing these names on a computer as my friends and as people that I'm in relationship 00:13:18.900 --> 00:13:21.980 with, I'm more apt to help them follow Jesus better. 00:13:22.380 --> 00:13:23.000 I love that, Tyler. 00:13:23.100 --> 00:13:28.880 I've never heard it in that context of, hey, know 100 people and know them like they're my 00:13:28.880 --> 00:13:29.180 friends. 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:33.460 Because, I mean, you nailed it right there in that so many people are just focusing on 00:13:33.460 --> 00:13:36.960 kind of the glamour of church online right now, the sense of, hey, we're, we're 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:39.340 getting IP addresses from different parts of the planet. 00:13:39.340 --> 00:13:42.800 We're getting all these, you know, views that we've never seen or this kind of stuff that 00:13:42.800 --> 00:13:43.660 we've never seen before. 00:13:43.980 --> 00:13:50.180 But actually putting it into the concept of relationships is really key. 00:13:50.380 --> 00:13:54.420 And it's funny because this whole time we've seen Newhoff and we've seen other people talk 00:13:54.420 --> 00:13:56.940 through how engagement is the new attendance. 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:03.300 How have you seen engagement take off at First Capital since you've even jumped in the role? 00:14:04.660 --> 00:14:04.880 Yeah. 00:14:06.740 --> 00:14:11.880 Well, when it first started about five years ago, when we were seeking these numbers, we 00:14:11.880 --> 00:14:16.380 could see that there were people watching, but it really didn't do anything. 00:14:16.380 --> 00:14:21.240 Like it didn't affect our church really whatsoever, except this is some cool, shiny toy that we 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:24.220 can put in the corner and we can talk about it, but it doesn't do anything. 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:29.620 It's when we were able to start moving those people into people that gave because they became 00:14:29.620 --> 00:14:31.540 generous because they started following Jesus. 00:14:31.760 --> 00:14:38.520 And it was when life change started happening that specifically the part of our congregation 00:14:38.520 --> 00:14:42.540 and leadership that couldn't figure out why it was important to be online. 00:14:42.680 --> 00:14:47.020 That's when their mindset shifted is when people started becoming better followers of Jesus. 00:14:47.020 --> 00:14:51.920 When life change started happening, when multiplication started happening, discipleship wise, rather than 00:14:51.920 --> 00:14:52.940 just watcher wise. 00:14:53.580 --> 00:14:53.740 Yeah. 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:55.300 And that's so true for us. 00:14:55.340 --> 00:15:00.380 It was kind of similar in that when I started encouraging people to, hey, come to a campus 00:15:00.380 --> 00:15:01.880 or I'll come to you to baptize you. 00:15:02.660 --> 00:15:05.440 That created a big shift in mind when I was bringing back to leadership. 00:15:05.640 --> 00:15:07.820 Hey, look, man, baptized a couple of people this weekend. 00:15:08.040 --> 00:15:09.360 All of a sudden it woke them up. 00:15:09.420 --> 00:15:11.940 They were like, oh, we thought they were just watching. 00:15:12.560 --> 00:15:12.680 Yeah. 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:14.880 You can argue with a lot of stuff. 00:15:14.940 --> 00:15:16.260 You cannot argue with changed life. 00:15:16.700 --> 00:15:17.000 Nope. 00:15:17.800 --> 00:15:18.620 That's so true. 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:23.160 And it's funny because I kind of put that in the same context of, you know, youth pastors 00:15:23.160 --> 00:15:25.280 who kind of feel a little bit buried in the system or whatever. 00:15:25.280 --> 00:15:30.200 It's like, yeah, you feel buried in the system until it's the pastor's kid or until it's 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:32.780 the deacon's kid that gets baptized and their life gets changed. 00:15:33.300 --> 00:15:37.460 All of a sudden that flips the script on everything in terms of the importance of kids, students, 00:15:37.560 --> 00:15:39.160 and now even church online, right? 00:15:39.580 --> 00:15:43.700 Because now we're seeing a life change actually happen and it's personally affecting those 00:15:43.700 --> 00:15:44.180 in leadership. 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:50.000 You know, Tyler, you've had some radical stories in this season, at least that I'm seeing on 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.720 social media when it comes to the life change and the baptism piece. 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:55.760 You got a couple you want to share, just maybe an overview. 00:15:56.340 --> 00:15:57.600 What does this look like? 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:02.920 Even 2020, before COVID, during COVID, like what's going on? 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:04.700 What's the life of your church look like right now? 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:05.240 Sure. 00:16:05.700 --> 00:16:09.700 During this season, I've got one really good story and it may be my all-time favorite story 00:16:09.700 --> 00:16:11.700 that's ever happened with the church anywhere. 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:18.280 But on Easter, first of all, I got to preach Easter this year because it's online. 00:16:18.280 --> 00:16:23.080 So like online people would relate to an online pastor better or something. 00:16:23.180 --> 00:16:24.100 I don't know, but it happened. 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:25.540 And so- 00:16:25.540 --> 00:16:26.000 Guts, man. 00:16:26.640 --> 00:16:26.860 Yeah. 00:16:26.920 --> 00:16:32.780 So I got to bring this message and the way that we have a response, we don't use the moments 00:16:32.780 --> 00:16:34.760 from a church online platform. 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:37.420 We literally have people, it's like an altar call. 00:16:37.580 --> 00:16:42.120 We have them comment me in the comment section and our team will personal message them from 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:42.380 there. 00:16:42.880 --> 00:16:47.720 It's a little, it's a little bit gutsy, but so is walking up in front of somebody during 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:50.480 a church service or however you do it too. 00:16:50.560 --> 00:16:54.120 It takes a little bit of boldness to start to follow Jesus. 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:59.200 I mean, when you look at the disciples, he said, follow me and they left their whole life. 00:16:59.620 --> 00:17:05.140 So that's a lot, it's a lot easier to comment me than to just up and leave your entire livelihood. 00:17:05.140 --> 00:17:10.640 So anyways, we had, uh, we had seven people comment me during one of the services, but 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:15.480 one of them, her name was Courtney and, um, one of our team members, uh, if you're in the 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.440 church online group, you'll see Ty Carter's name pop up quite a bit. 00:17:18.500 --> 00:17:21.640 He's, he's our, um, volunteer lead of our care team. 00:17:22.360 --> 00:17:26.480 And, uh, he jumped right in and he personally messaged her from his account. 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:30.620 Uh, they got to talking and he calls me and he's like, Hey, how would you like to do a 00:17:30.620 --> 00:17:31.900 baptism here in an hour? 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:33.400 I was like, heck yeah, let's do this. 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:35.340 So we get to the, uh, to the church. 00:17:35.380 --> 00:17:37.360 It's just my wife, myself and Courtney. 00:17:37.600 --> 00:17:41.420 Um, we tried our best to do social distancing with this baptism. 00:17:41.420 --> 00:17:47.800 Um, she is about 20 minutes from our church where she lives, had never heard the gospel 00:17:47.800 --> 00:17:50.240 ever before that morning. 00:17:51.520 --> 00:17:56.980 Um, her four-year-old daughter asked her that morning, which was Easter morning, who is Jesus? 00:17:57.180 --> 00:18:01.800 Because she heard about this Jesus guy because it was Easter and her mom, Courtney couldn't 00:18:01.800 --> 00:18:03.380 even tell her who Jesus was. 00:18:04.060 --> 00:18:07.000 The only church she knew of in the area was first capital. 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.320 So she decided to search us, saw the, uh, the gospel presented. 00:18:11.860 --> 00:18:16.520 And, uh, that's the power of the gospel right there is that it transformed her life in that 00:18:16.520 --> 00:18:16.880 moment. 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:18.020 We baptized her. 00:18:18.180 --> 00:18:21.300 But the best part of the story is, uh, she said, well, what, what's next? 00:18:21.620 --> 00:18:24.960 So we connected her with these next step classes and things like that. 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:29.580 But very simply, I just told her like, here's the, here's, here's how it works. 00:18:29.580 --> 00:18:34.420 Jesus told us to go tell all of our friends about Jesus, about the hope that we found. 00:18:34.620 --> 00:18:35.780 And that's your job. 00:18:35.940 --> 00:18:37.940 So your job right now is to go tell your friends. 00:18:38.460 --> 00:18:39.780 And she said, okay, yeah, that's great. 00:18:40.120 --> 00:18:43.180 Two hours later, I get a phone call from Ty again. 00:18:43.180 --> 00:18:49.820 And Courtney had led her friend Teresa to the hope that she found in Jesus two hours later. 00:18:50.040 --> 00:18:52.960 And so we're baptizing Teresa here in the next couple of weeks. 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:56.420 I just got, I just got chills. 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:57.340 So good. 00:18:57.480 --> 00:18:57.840 Amazing. 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:01.340 Never heard the gospel, get saved. 00:19:01.760 --> 00:19:07.060 And, and literally within two hours, still within the same Sunday, she's out in the physical 00:19:07.060 --> 00:19:11.940 world, um, engaging, sharing the faith on the same day. 00:19:12.140 --> 00:19:12.340 Yes. 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.940 I mean, she called her friend and said like, Hey, this is what happened in my life. 00:19:15.940 --> 00:19:17.360 And the friend wanted a piece of that. 00:19:18.360 --> 00:19:19.120 So good. 00:19:19.540 --> 00:19:20.020 Yeah. 00:19:20.520 --> 00:19:24.640 You know, we talk about this online, offline theory, the gospel that we hear in the online 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:26.720 world has to affect our offline relationships. 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:29.720 And, and, and, and this story, Tyler, what were their names again? 00:19:29.840 --> 00:19:35.760 Or, or yeah, Courtney and Teresa, Courtney and Teresa are, are, are, are real life examples 00:19:35.760 --> 00:19:38.860 of this where they, they've heard content. 00:19:39.120 --> 00:19:43.080 Um, and, and it wasn't just a Netflix, Hey, let me binge this show. 00:19:43.180 --> 00:19:48.920 This is actually a life change thing that, that now Courtney is, is doing this in, in real 00:19:49.040 --> 00:19:51.860 life, having this conversation with their friend, Teresa. 00:19:51.860 --> 00:19:53.600 That is so awesome. 00:19:54.140 --> 00:19:57.940 But, but you know, Jeff, and, and this is not necessarily a frustration, but here's what 00:19:57.940 --> 00:19:58.460 I noticed. 00:19:58.560 --> 00:20:03.020 So we talk about this and we're so impressed with that online and yet we're not so shocked. 00:20:03.080 --> 00:20:06.080 Why are we not surprised when that happens in a service as well? 00:20:06.080 --> 00:20:09.160 Because it's basically like the same kind of distribution, right? 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:13.180 Like just because it's not in person doesn't mean it's not the same content that's being 00:20:13.180 --> 00:20:15.320 heard and not the same life change that's happening. 00:20:15.740 --> 00:20:20.960 And so I think this is where a lot of us have to shift our perspective in terms of digital 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:24.380 avenues for distribution of the same kind of content that's happening on a weekend. 00:20:24.380 --> 00:20:24.700 Right. 00:20:24.780 --> 00:20:29.820 I think with that, it's really, really important to remember in this whole conversation, the 00:20:29.820 --> 00:20:31.300 power is not within the venue. 00:20:31.300 --> 00:20:33.520 The power is within the gospel period. 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:34.320 That's good. 00:20:34.600 --> 00:20:38.340 Jesus changes lives, not online, not a building, not a pastor. 00:20:38.600 --> 00:20:43.160 Jesus changes lives and the power is living and alive. 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:46.980 And if we present it, it doesn't matter how, how or where they heard it. 00:20:47.940 --> 00:20:48.340 Man. 00:20:48.420 --> 00:20:48.580 Yeah. 00:20:48.580 --> 00:20:50.000 I got an amen right here for you, man. 00:20:50.060 --> 00:20:51.420 That's, that's exactly right. 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:52.520 You know what I'm saying? 00:20:53.180 --> 00:20:53.540 Shoot. 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:56.260 We could, you know, if we want to wrap this with an altar call, I'm going to type me in 00:20:56.260 --> 00:21:00.200 the blanks right now because this, that's so true with Tyler. 00:21:00.380 --> 00:21:04.820 And, and this is the thing that, that I'm still kind of in awe of in terms of what, as we 00:21:04.820 --> 00:21:06.800 talk about like what's next and what's the future. 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:12.220 And I feel like folks are running back to gathering really, really quick when the whole 00:21:12.220 --> 00:21:15.520 point, I mean, or excuse me, maybe not the whole point of like what we're learning in 00:21:15.520 --> 00:21:18.800 this, but a big thing in terms of what we're learning in the midst of the season as the 00:21:18.800 --> 00:21:23.680 church is that Jesus doesn't need our buildings to transform lives. 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:30.200 He doesn't really need our lights and our sound as much as we think he does or as much emphasis 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:31.180 as we put on that. 00:21:31.820 --> 00:21:35.820 And, you know, I'm not trying to get anybody to lose their job or get fired in terms of down 00:21:35.820 --> 00:21:36.200 the line. 00:21:36.260 --> 00:21:41.140 That's not necessarily the point, but I think in terms of having discipleship processes 00:21:41.140 --> 00:21:46.480 and pathways and having next steps for people is kind of the big thing, right? 00:21:47.020 --> 00:21:50.640 And so can you talk a little bit more about what's going on at First Capital as far as 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:51.160 that's concerned? 00:21:51.260 --> 00:21:54.180 Because, you know, a lot of folks, I think, what was it? 00:21:54.220 --> 00:21:54.620 Life.Church. 00:21:54.720 --> 00:22:00.680 Jeff said that 61,000 people, you know, made click that click their next step, you know, 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:02.460 that they wanted to receive Christ on Easter weekend. 00:22:02.620 --> 00:22:05.560 But not a lot of churches have necessarily thought through, OK, great. 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:06.460 What now? 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:08.820 So how is that being affected over at First Capital? 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:09.280 Sure. 00:22:09.340 --> 00:22:10.940 It's a dangerous game to play. 00:22:11.040 --> 00:22:13.700 It goes back to are they watching or are they engaged? 00:22:14.100 --> 00:22:19.040 Even when it comes to salvation, and I don't mean that to sound bad, but if they just click 00:22:19.040 --> 00:22:21.680 a button that says, I accept that Christ, I'm so thankful. 00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:23.840 I praise God that they did that. 00:22:24.260 --> 00:22:29.460 But on the other hand, what are we doing with them to help them actually follow Jesus? 00:22:29.620 --> 00:22:34.720 And if we don't have anything for that, that moment, while it means something, it doesn't 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:35.880 mean as much as it could mean. 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:44.040 So for us, what we've been doing, we have a whole strategy laid out of next steps for 00:22:44.040 --> 00:22:44.720 in the building. 00:22:45.220 --> 00:22:48.980 But several years ago, we had to make that for Church Anywhere as well. 00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:52.020 I can run you guys through really fast. 00:22:52.140 --> 00:22:52.700 Yeah, go for it. 00:22:53.020 --> 00:22:55.600 So I'll use Courtney for an example. 00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:58.700 So she comments me, gives her life to Christ. 00:22:58.700 --> 00:23:01.540 Ty is the care team member that contacted her. 00:23:02.060 --> 00:23:10.200 So Ty's job is to help her to, Ty's job is to help her, one, schedule a baptism and two, 00:23:10.280 --> 00:23:11.500 figure out her next step. 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:13.280 We have options for that online. 00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:15.580 We've been doing Rooted for a while. 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:20.060 If you guys listen to some of the past podcasts, I go more into detail about that. 00:23:20.100 --> 00:23:24.860 But we direct people to Rooted or Andy Stanley's starting point material. 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:26.860 Both of those online. 00:23:26.980 --> 00:23:28.100 It's a great place to start. 00:23:28.100 --> 00:23:32.480 Rooted really pushes people to find their purpose, which is what we're all about. 00:23:32.560 --> 00:23:36.140 We're about empowering people to follow their purpose to start these micro sites. 00:23:36.820 --> 00:23:38.180 So those are the first two things. 00:23:38.180 --> 00:23:41.180 But then Ty is kind of tethered to Courtney now. 00:23:41.360 --> 00:23:46.060 So his job as a care team member is to contact her three to four times in the next two weeks 00:23:46.060 --> 00:23:52.180 following her decision to start building an actual relationship, learn about her, become 00:23:52.180 --> 00:23:53.260 involved in her life. 00:23:53.600 --> 00:23:55.680 And so she's not doing it alone at that point. 00:23:57.340 --> 00:24:04.320 And then after Rooted, we either push people into like a small group or into a micro site 00:24:04.320 --> 00:24:06.640 because that's how we use that rooted material. 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:11.220 So that's pretty much our next steps process for someone who would have made that salvation 00:24:11.220 --> 00:24:11.880 moment. 00:24:12.060 --> 00:24:14.540 Yeah, for us, it's something similar over at CF. 00:24:15.120 --> 00:24:18.340 This year, we empowered people to actually do baptisms in their homes. 00:24:18.520 --> 00:24:20.380 We actually provided an instructional video. 00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:26.140 And we even had some folks respond and upload a video back to us, which we provided a pathway 00:24:26.140 --> 00:24:27.460 and instructions for that as well. 00:24:27.800 --> 00:24:30.340 And we actually had some responses, which was awesome to see. 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:34.560 And it's almost like Acts 2 is, you know, for years, the church had prayed for Acts 2. 00:24:34.780 --> 00:24:39.840 And yes, in the midst of COVID-19 through digital avenues, Acts 2 is kind of happening, right? 00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:41.480 Like we were hoping for revival. 00:24:41.620 --> 00:24:43.760 We got it, just not in a way that we're expecting it to happen. 00:24:43.820 --> 00:24:46.640 And so we had people baptizing people, which was awesome. 00:24:47.060 --> 00:24:48.380 We're getting feedback on that. 00:24:48.460 --> 00:24:52.120 And then in the same way, we've got a foundation small group in which we help transition them 00:24:52.120 --> 00:24:52.360 to. 00:24:52.520 --> 00:24:55.300 And then from there, we try to transition them into a regular group. 00:24:55.300 --> 00:25:00.300 And we've also got CF 101, which is our membership class, which has also been taken fully online 00:25:00.300 --> 00:25:01.520 during the season. 00:25:01.760 --> 00:25:08.560 But those processes had to exist beforehand so that we could make them digitals and which 00:25:08.560 --> 00:25:10.300 we'd already been in process of doing anyways. 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:13.200 And so it's not like we came up with anything new. 00:25:13.260 --> 00:25:15.000 It's that these things were always in existence. 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:16.600 There was always a pathway for them. 00:25:16.860 --> 00:25:19.540 We were just taking them down that pathway through digital avenues. 00:25:19.800 --> 00:25:23.900 And so everything you're saying, Tyler, is huge for a lot of churches out there that I 00:25:23.900 --> 00:25:25.120 think the struggle with the next step is. 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:30.220 Whatever you're doing in physical avenues for pathways, you should be doing it in digital. 00:25:30.600 --> 00:25:33.700 You should have been doing it already, but you should be doing it especially now. 00:25:34.260 --> 00:25:35.780 Yeah, at minimum that. 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.620 I want to pull on a thread a little bit here. 00:25:38.740 --> 00:25:39.580 Let's back up. 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:43.840 Because even the story of what you're telling me, I want to see if this is true, if you 00:25:43.840 --> 00:25:44.340 got a story. 00:25:44.740 --> 00:25:49.740 What you're telling me of the person who accepted Christ, they watched the service Easter 00:25:49.740 --> 00:25:50.140 Sunday. 00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:52.000 The daughter came in, got baptized. 00:25:52.700 --> 00:25:53.400 Immediate action. 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:54.820 And it's still tied to the Sunday. 00:25:55.540 --> 00:26:00.480 I'm curious, though, because those situations do work online. 00:26:00.620 --> 00:26:04.700 Some of those hands raised when they click or the me's on there. 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:05.420 The me's are legit. 00:26:05.540 --> 00:26:07.340 Some of the hand clicks, I'll be honest, aren't. 00:26:07.780 --> 00:26:12.060 My daughter has accepted Christ at least three times during this COVID season by accidental 00:26:12.060 --> 00:26:12.500 clicking. 00:26:13.060 --> 00:26:15.420 And I have to go tell my church, hey, you know those 11? 00:26:15.600 --> 00:26:17.700 Like two of them were my daughter's, so knock it down a couple. 00:26:18.120 --> 00:26:19.020 And it's okay. 00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:24.040 But there's this other part to this, this relational aspect, right? 00:26:24.540 --> 00:26:29.560 I'm fascinated by this idea of it's in your job profile to know 100 people online. 00:26:30.060 --> 00:26:32.680 So talk to me about that. 00:26:33.100 --> 00:26:39.460 What does, as a pastor knowing 100 people in a virtual space, what does that even mean? 00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:40.180 What does that look like? 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:47.040 Yeah, I kind of feel like I'm in like sixth grade again on AOL chat because, I mean, I don't 00:26:47.040 --> 00:26:47.940 know how else to do it. 00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:50.720 I just strike up a conversation and like, hey, man, how you doing? 00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:52.460 And then it goes from there. 00:26:52.620 --> 00:26:56.720 So like my friend Simon from London has been watching us for years. 00:26:57.220 --> 00:26:59.700 And I legitimately feel like I'm his friend. 00:26:59.860 --> 00:27:02.080 We talk about not church stuff. 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:05.560 I know that he likes 60s and 70s music. 00:27:05.800 --> 00:27:09.780 And I know that he was watching I Dream of Jeannie. 00:27:12.040 --> 00:27:14.820 And so things like that are how you do it. 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:20.500 I don't have like a scientific proven method, except be a human being like you would be in 00:27:20.500 --> 00:27:20.840 person. 00:27:21.380 --> 00:27:24.220 Just use a digital medium to build those relationships. 00:27:24.700 --> 00:27:29.080 And that carries over to our care team as well, which it goes back to the, he's like, Ty's 00:27:29.080 --> 00:27:31.800 going to contact Courtney three or four times the next couple weeks. 00:27:32.020 --> 00:27:34.900 And it's not all going to be about, hey, did you sign up for that class? 00:27:34.900 --> 00:27:38.500 It's going to be like, hey, tell me about how your kids are doing during the season, 00:27:38.580 --> 00:27:39.120 that kind of thing. 00:27:40.460 --> 00:27:46.920 We did a podcast recently, maybe probably a week or so ago at this point, was Patrick 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:47.340 Holden. 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.080 And he's a church planter. 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:57.160 He has not launched a physical campus yet. 00:27:57.660 --> 00:28:02.500 Honestly, Patrick doesn't even live in the state where he's trying to plant. 00:28:02.500 --> 00:28:05.660 He currently lives, I think, as I recall, was Michigan. 00:28:06.060 --> 00:28:09.380 And he's trying to plant in Columbus, Ohio. 00:28:10.060 --> 00:28:16.520 And so he is, he's gone even more aggressive than what you're talking about, where he's 00:28:16.520 --> 00:28:21.980 going on on Facebook groups of people that are, that are based out of the Columbus, Ohio 00:28:21.980 --> 00:28:22.980 area. 00:28:22.980 --> 00:28:28.980 And just like meeting people direct through like Facebook Messenger, where, where he will 00:28:28.980 --> 00:28:31.980 send a Facebook message to some random person who doesn't know. 00:28:31.980 --> 00:28:37.980 And he's got kind of things that he looks for in people that, that he's wanting to engage 00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:41.440 with, but utilizes that to filter it down and reaches out. 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.440 He's getting 30 to 40% response rate. 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:50.900 Virtually using Facebook Messenger is cold calling. 00:28:50.900 --> 00:28:58.240 And he's building a team, even though he and the rest of his leadership are scattered around 00:28:58.240 --> 00:28:58.860 the country. 00:28:59.360 --> 00:29:05.020 And it's building relationships, utilizing some of this technology, where they're not even, 00:29:05.060 --> 00:29:06.740 they're never face to face with that. 00:29:07.560 --> 00:29:11.360 Do you guys feel tension one way or another that you've got to utilize the service? 00:29:11.360 --> 00:29:17.080 Have you ever considered going with a more direct route with individuals, you know, sort of like 00:29:17.080 --> 00:29:24.440 the story that we told with, uh, uh, with Tracy, but having it be, um, more just missionally 00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:25.360 connecting with people. 00:29:25.360 --> 00:29:27.460 What, what have you guys experimented or thought about that? 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:32.540 So I don't think there's an issue, you know, as far as like going out and, and seeking people 00:29:32.540 --> 00:29:33.300 out, you're right. 00:29:33.300 --> 00:29:36.060 Like there's something, there's something very biblical about that. 00:29:36.120 --> 00:29:39.140 And Jeff, you and I talked about this after the podcast, just, you know, one-on-one in 00:29:39.140 --> 00:29:40.980 terms of, Hey, he's seeking out the man of peace. 00:29:40.980 --> 00:29:45.280 Like in different areas, he's just doing it differently, which if any of us were to go 00:29:45.280 --> 00:29:49.420 plant, or if we were to go out through like the international mission board and to plant 00:29:49.420 --> 00:29:51.200 a church in another city, we'd be doing the same thing. 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:54.740 We'd be looking for the right people who have the right amount of influence to plug in with 00:29:54.740 --> 00:29:58.040 them intentionally for the purposes of planting a church locally. 00:29:58.600 --> 00:30:02.560 Um, and so he's just doing this through a non-traditional route, which I actually admire. 00:30:02.560 --> 00:30:03.360 And I think is awesome. 00:30:04.020 --> 00:30:09.460 Um, as far as, uh, you know, seeking people out and doing that directly, I think it's great. 00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:14.640 Um, I actually think that more of us could be more, a little bit more proactive, self-included 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:19.020 in terms of seeking people out and seeking connections from some of the people that we 00:30:19.020 --> 00:30:21.440 follow on Facebook and some of the people that they're connected with. 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:21.680 Right. 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:25.480 So we'll see a lot of our friends who are involved in, yeah, I'm just going to go ahead 00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:26.180 and call this out. 00:30:26.180 --> 00:30:31.040 You know, as opposed to, uh, you know, they're involved in MLMs and multi-level marketing schemes 00:30:31.040 --> 00:30:32.880 or in pyramid schemes and they'll do that, right. 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:37.800 They'll do that in order to build a solid contact base with people to go seek them out. 00:30:38.140 --> 00:30:42.200 But I'm not saying that the church is an MLM cause it's not, but if it is about relationship 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:46.280 building, if it is about actively doing that, then we should be leveraging even cold calls 00:30:46.280 --> 00:30:48.680 on Facebook messenger to go after it. 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:53.560 I mean, shoot, to obtain data, uh, we've got a Facebook group, uh, here at Christ Fellowship. 00:30:53.560 --> 00:30:58.040 And now you can ask questions as far as like, in order to allow people to enter into that 00:30:58.040 --> 00:30:58.560 Facebook group. 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:02.260 I, one of the questions that I added on is, would you like to be connected to a small group 00:31:02.260 --> 00:31:03.700 for every yes that I get? 00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:07.960 I messaged them directly through Facebook messenger along with the data card, uh, with 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:12.260 our connection, our online connection card to get them plugged in because it's another 00:31:12.260 --> 00:31:12.600 lead. 00:31:12.700 --> 00:31:15.380 It's another opportunity to try and get somebody connected. 00:31:15.380 --> 00:31:18.880 And so the more opportunities that we can create, whether it's through cold calls or whether 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:20.820 it's through ways like that, I'm in favor of. 00:31:21.420 --> 00:31:22.280 I love that. 00:31:22.600 --> 00:31:22.980 It's good. 00:31:23.820 --> 00:31:24.780 I'm going to steal that idea. 00:31:25.260 --> 00:31:25.680 Go for it. 00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:27.200 It's yours, man. 00:31:27.300 --> 00:31:30.040 Is that not the truth of, of church online? 00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:33.280 I it's, it's, let's just steal everything we got, you know? 00:31:33.280 --> 00:31:36.400 Everybody's doing little, little bits and pieces, right? 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:40.720 I don't think everybody really has got the holistic thing put together yet. 00:31:41.040 --> 00:31:44.880 And so, yeah, man, that's, that's part of this is it's like everybody. 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:45.260 Oh yeah. 00:31:45.260 --> 00:31:45.800 Let's steal that. 00:31:45.860 --> 00:31:46.380 Let me borrow that. 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:46.920 Let me do that. 00:31:47.040 --> 00:31:48.020 It's awesome. 00:31:48.760 --> 00:31:54.920 Um, well, Hey, like, um, it's, it's really interesting in this, in this relational aspect 00:31:54.920 --> 00:32:00.060 because it's the biggest thing I think that's really missing in this church online piece. 00:32:00.060 --> 00:32:02.080 And I'm a, I'm an introvert. 00:32:02.140 --> 00:32:02.920 I'll be honest. 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:06.740 I struggle in the physical realm with, with some of this relational. 00:32:06.740 --> 00:32:13.360 And so for me, like my sweet spot is, is doing this stuff, like talking into a webcam. 00:32:14.080 --> 00:32:16.920 Um, COVID has actually been like a vacation for me. 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:18.020 This has been the greatest thing ever. 00:32:18.360 --> 00:32:22.500 Uh, my wife, my kids, they struggle, um, with, with some of that because they're more 00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:24.000 outward than I am. 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:29.560 Uh, but I love seeing ministries that, that are engaging relationally and meeting people. 00:32:29.560 --> 00:32:34.980 And I'm going to tell 50 churches that they need to meet, uh, a hundred people. 00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:39.980 Like that's the goal to have a hundred friends, uh, through, through church online. 00:32:39.980 --> 00:32:41.620 That that's an incredible standard. 00:32:41.620 --> 00:32:45.200 So honestly, I would, I would want to challenge our entire staff with a lot of that, with what's 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:45.960 going on right now. 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:50.040 I mean, considering that we've got paid staff, I mean, if every one of us were accountable 00:32:50.040 --> 00:32:53.960 for a hundred people, man, our church would be, would be huge. 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:54.800 You know what I'm saying? 00:32:54.980 --> 00:33:00.100 Uh, so that, that right there already just kind of elevates, uh, the standard, which I 00:33:00.100 --> 00:33:02.220 think is amazing, man, that you guys have done over at First Capital. 00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:04.100 Let's take it one step further. 00:33:04.260 --> 00:33:09.060 So who's the name of your, um, your, your pastoral care relationship guy that you mentioned 00:33:09.060 --> 00:33:10.460 who was following up on the two girls? 00:33:11.040 --> 00:33:11.520 Uh, Ty. 00:33:12.100 --> 00:33:12.460 Ty. 00:33:12.540 --> 00:33:16.200 The thing that I love about you is there's so many names of people that are involved in 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.480 these podcasts because these are actual people that you're working with. 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.960 And it just shows the, the hugely relational aspect to that. 00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:24.900 What standard do you hold on Ty? 00:33:25.300 --> 00:33:26.780 Ty's a, no, let me understand. 00:33:27.020 --> 00:33:29.860 Ty's a volunteer, not paid, nothing. 00:33:30.300 --> 00:33:33.280 What standard do you hold on Ty in your church on the relationship? 00:33:33.280 --> 00:33:38.620 And I've mentioned this before in our podcasts, uh, previously, but we literally call our, 00:33:38.620 --> 00:33:42.200 um, our campus pastors of the microsites. 00:33:42.300 --> 00:33:44.780 We call them campus pastors, even though they're volunteers. 00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:49.460 And so, I mean, we, we take them through a training process, but I would hold him to, 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:55.600 an extremely high standard because, uh, we've built that trust together relationally over 00:33:55.600 --> 00:33:59.860 the years where I know that, um, he loves Jesus and he loves people. 00:33:59.860 --> 00:34:03.600 So he's going to do everything he can to love this person, to love Jesus better. 00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:08.340 From, from, from a relational aspect, are you, not that I'm trying to quantify, I'm just trying 00:34:08.340 --> 00:34:09.320 to figure out the relationship. 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:11.520 Are you, do you put a number on him? 00:34:11.680 --> 00:34:15.540 Are you checking in with him regularly on the follow-up? 00:34:15.580 --> 00:34:18.720 You said he has to connect to the people four times. 00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:25.720 Like what, what is the one-on-one between you and him towards holding him accountable for 00:34:25.720 --> 00:34:27.060 these things that you're asking him to do? 00:34:27.500 --> 00:34:27.600 Sure. 00:34:27.740 --> 00:34:30.720 I, um, so he's the lead over our care team. 00:34:30.720 --> 00:34:35.660 So I am in a lot of communication with him, whereas he's communicating with the rest of the 00:34:35.660 --> 00:34:36.440 team under him. 00:34:36.560 --> 00:34:39.440 So I don't necessarily have as much communication with the people under him. 00:34:39.940 --> 00:34:43.200 Um, I have some, but just not as much as I have with Ty. 00:34:43.340 --> 00:34:48.100 So I talk to him on a daily basis, um, and I've talked to every one of the church anywhere 00:34:48.100 --> 00:34:53.060 leaders on a daily basis, and then they communicate on a daily basis to their team beyond that. 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:55.580 Four generations, including you, right? 00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:02.280 In, in that, in that equation, you tie the teams beneath, under Ty, and then the teams underneath 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:07.060 them all going out at some level, holding, building relationships. 00:35:07.060 --> 00:35:12.320 Are, do you put a hundred on them or are these teams just more responsive at that point? 00:35:12.820 --> 00:35:13.900 Uh, they're more responsive. 00:35:14.080 --> 00:35:21.020 The online team, um, is, is in charge of our Facebook group, which is 900 people or whatever. 00:35:21.180 --> 00:35:26.280 And then, um, beyond that, they're in charge of, um, caring for any live events. 00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:29.200 So chatting with people in live events and then follow up beyond that. 00:35:29.560 --> 00:35:33.800 Um, whereas the, uh, the, uh, church anywhere leaders are responsible for the actual physical 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.220 people that meet in their locations. 00:35:35.220 --> 00:35:39.360 So for Brad, who Jeff, you talked to, um, once before. 00:35:39.860 --> 00:35:40.320 My brother. 00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:41.060 Yeah. 00:35:41.180 --> 00:35:41.700 Brad Reed, right? 00:35:41.700 --> 00:35:42.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:45.860 Um, for him, he's responsible for 300 people. 00:35:46.180 --> 00:35:50.540 So he's built a team of 20 guys underneath them to help care for these 300 people. 00:35:51.160 --> 00:35:53.680 Um, and so that kind of works like that. 00:35:54.340 --> 00:36:01.140 So Brad, a volunteer built a team, recruited, developed, matured, grew a team, discipled a 00:36:01.140 --> 00:36:05.600 team of 20 people to do ministry to 300 people, 300 criminals. 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:06.200 Yeah. 00:36:06.200 --> 00:36:06.600 Prisoners. 00:36:06.600 --> 00:36:07.760 Also, it's, it's awesome. 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.880 I don't want to judge our, our area is really blue collar country. 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:12.000 A lot of people don't have internet. 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:13.060 We've talked about that before. 00:36:13.160 --> 00:36:18.080 So Brad and, um, one of his other leaders, Rodney, they organized a conference call yesterday 00:36:18.080 --> 00:36:21.820 just to, to stay in touch with their team, but not like a zoom call. 00:36:21.820 --> 00:36:26.060 Like a, literally you call a number and insert like a pen and then you're in the conference 00:36:26.060 --> 00:36:26.320 call. 00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:30.460 So they've, they've, they've done that every week since COVID-19 started. 00:36:30.680 --> 00:36:30.800 Yeah. 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:31.940 Nothing wrong with that, man. 00:36:32.040 --> 00:36:32.420 That's good. 00:36:32.600 --> 00:36:32.780 Yep. 00:36:33.660 --> 00:36:35.020 Use the methods you got. 00:36:35.200 --> 00:36:36.720 I, I love this. 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:43.120 And so there's, there's things that I'm learning here in this, uh, relational, um, camp, uh, 00:36:43.120 --> 00:36:50.380 online pastor, digital pastor, campus pastor, um, a hundred people, um, no people in this, 00:36:50.380 --> 00:36:55.800 not, not the usual suspects within the church, but reach outside and really engage relationally 00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.160 with people online. 00:36:57.860 --> 00:37:02.320 Um, I, I love this idea of holding standards to volunteers, which, and there's also standards 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.380 held on you, even though, even the hundred person aspect as, as a pastor, that's, that's 00:37:06.380 --> 00:37:07.320 a hard thing to do. 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:11.660 Even as myself as a, as an online pastor, I'm in my mind, I'm thinking, did I, did I know 00:37:11.660 --> 00:37:11.980 a hundred? 00:37:11.980 --> 00:37:13.740 I don't, I don't think I really knew a hundred. 00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:18.420 I mean, maybe it was more at 50, but that still is a hard thing and that's aggressive 00:37:18.420 --> 00:37:19.120 towards it. 00:37:19.240 --> 00:37:23.340 And so as people are holding you to a standard, hold others towards it. 00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:30.940 And even at a volunteer level, challenge them, uh, because the, in Tyler's equation, Tyler's 00:37:30.940 --> 00:37:33.200 the lid of the organization. 00:37:33.540 --> 00:37:39.740 If Tyler carried all the weight on his shoulders and didn't go out, I mean, Tyler, it's not like 00:37:39.740 --> 00:37:41.800 you got five, 10, 25 staff. 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:44.960 It's just you historically, right? 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:46.420 Like that hasn't changed, right? 00:37:46.540 --> 00:37:46.700 Yeah. 00:37:46.860 --> 00:37:50.780 It's starting to change a little bit, but right now it's, okay. 00:37:51.260 --> 00:37:56.380 Well, 18 micro locations later in 700 people engaging regularly in micro locations, not 00:37:56.380 --> 00:38:00.740 including like staff, not including the people who just watched through church online. 00:38:01.160 --> 00:38:01.560 Yeah. 00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:04.980 Maybe you need to like start to actually developing a team there, but you're holding standards 00:38:04.980 --> 00:38:05.500 to that. 00:38:05.500 --> 00:38:10.860 And you're not releasing the volunteers who aren't doing it out of duty to you, Tyler, but 00:38:10.860 --> 00:38:12.120 they're doing it out of personal mission. 00:38:12.120 --> 00:38:15.020 Cause they understand what God has called them to do in life. 00:38:15.020 --> 00:38:20.280 And that's doing what they're doing, what they're called to do, reach the prisoners, reach 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:26.840 the, the Huntington's rehab center, reach out to the youth centers, um, like follow the 00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:27.240 heart. 00:38:27.340 --> 00:38:31.520 We did a podcast, uh, with Larry Walkenmeyer, he talked about kingdom mission. 00:38:31.520 --> 00:38:34.080 It's, it's not to glorify the church. 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:35.720 It's to glorify the kingdom. 00:38:35.720 --> 00:38:42.620 And the church's job is to empower people on kingdom mission, uh, whether it glorifies 00:38:42.620 --> 00:38:44.060 where it benefits the church or not. 00:38:44.100 --> 00:38:48.720 And, and some of these relationships that you guys are developing, my gut is they probably 00:38:48.720 --> 00:38:52.380 don't always glorify the church, but it sounds like they always glorify the kingdom. 00:38:52.620 --> 00:38:54.860 So I, I love what's happening here. 00:38:55.080 --> 00:38:59.220 I, I will tell you, we've, we've developed a really cool thing during this time period. 00:38:59.340 --> 00:39:00.720 Um, that's super relational. 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.340 Um, I, I think it will continue afterwards. 00:39:04.340 --> 00:39:06.720 Um, but I want to share it with you. 00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:08.320 We're calling them to gather groups. 00:39:08.740 --> 00:39:12.520 Um, and it's, it's based around common interests. 00:39:12.520 --> 00:39:15.980 So mine is, uh, we're going to watch movies together. 00:39:15.980 --> 00:39:18.080 Like I love movies, I study films in college. 00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:22.120 Um, and so we're going to watch movies via a Netflix party. 00:39:22.380 --> 00:39:25.740 So, um, we started, we started signups for these on Sunday. 00:39:25.740 --> 00:39:26.820 I've got 20 families. 00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:28.640 I'm going to watch a movie with on Monday night. 00:39:29.120 --> 00:39:31.460 Um, somebody else is doing a book club. 00:39:31.460 --> 00:39:36.360 Somebody is doing a walking thing where they'll, they'll walk and hold a phone to zoom with 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:37.440 people while they're walking. 00:39:38.020 --> 00:39:40.440 Um, and so we, I think we have 14 of these right now. 00:39:40.700 --> 00:39:45.200 Um, and we're hoping to empower other people to continue to open up new ones, but that's 00:39:45.200 --> 00:39:46.220 that relational piece. 00:39:46.540 --> 00:39:47.640 That's really cool, Tyler. 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:48.200 You know, it's funny. 00:39:48.240 --> 00:39:52.140 I just got off the phone a couple hours ago with one of our student guys who is helping 00:39:52.140 --> 00:39:53.420 oversee students online right now. 00:39:53.420 --> 00:39:58.060 And we talked about this, but with video games, we talked about, we talked about having like 00:39:58.060 --> 00:40:02.260 a fortnight guy, you know, to help people gather and to stream Twitch together and having 00:40:02.260 --> 00:40:03.560 for that for animal crossing. 00:40:03.740 --> 00:40:06.080 We talked about having something for that as that games exploded. 00:40:06.080 --> 00:40:09.740 We talked about, you know, a 2k and even promoted it in the, in the students broadcast 00:40:09.740 --> 00:40:12.360 this week, like, Hey, drop your name or tag in the chat. 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:14.660 Like we'll, we'll add you that kind of thing. 00:40:14.660 --> 00:40:19.280 And so I think that's huge that you guys are taking that even further in terms of, man, 00:40:19.340 --> 00:40:20.560 let's find your interest. 00:40:20.680 --> 00:40:24.060 Let's get you plugged into community and let's get you in conversation, which is awesome. 00:40:24.220 --> 00:40:29.420 And how easy is it to just spend an hour or two watching a movie with 20 families and chatting 00:40:29.420 --> 00:40:29.860 with them? 00:40:29.900 --> 00:40:32.780 That's, it doesn't take a ton of time or organizational skills. 00:40:33.580 --> 00:40:39.960 We could have done this with tiger King from the beginning and the world, all of them, all of 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:40.760 them would have jumped on. 00:40:40.820 --> 00:40:41.480 It would have been amazing. 00:40:45.240 --> 00:40:47.080 What movie are you watching Monday night? 00:40:47.660 --> 00:40:49.280 Same kind of different as me. 00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:51.940 There's like 20 Christian films total on Netflix. 00:40:52.180 --> 00:40:53.980 So yeah, we're going to find out. 00:40:53.980 --> 00:40:55.360 You're just going one by one. 00:40:55.680 --> 00:41:00.160 I put, I put a poll in our Facebook group and said, which one would you rather watch? 00:41:00.160 --> 00:41:02.840 So that was number one, I want to be in the McGee and me one. 00:41:03.100 --> 00:41:04.120 That's what I'm waiting for. 00:41:07.200 --> 00:41:11.520 Nobody, nobody listening to this podcast knows unless you walked into Jeff's, uh, Christian 00:41:11.520 --> 00:41:12.660 bookstore at one point in your life. 00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:15.140 Nobody else knows who McGee and me is. 00:41:15.240 --> 00:41:17.960 Well, I mean, nobody bought McGee and me from the Christian bookstore. 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:22.420 That was probably part of the reason why I'm, I'm shut down, but McGee and me and Carmen 00:41:22.420 --> 00:41:25.300 I would have been, I would have been your sucker, Jeff. 00:41:25.380 --> 00:41:26.140 That's what would have happened. 00:41:26.680 --> 00:41:27.080 Yeah. 00:41:27.080 --> 00:41:31.740 I mean, I'm, I'm pretty sure Bezos and, uh, and Steve Jobs were probably more responsible 00:41:31.740 --> 00:41:35.100 for my, uh, for my bookstore demise, but those were good times. 00:41:35.200 --> 00:41:36.140 So we don't want 100%. 00:41:36.140 --> 00:41:36.640 No, we're good. 00:41:36.820 --> 00:41:36.920 Awesome. 00:41:37.460 --> 00:41:42.720 So, uh, this, this is really, I just, even the idea of, of, of the Netflix, it's utilizing 00:41:42.720 --> 00:41:48.000 tools that are readily available to connect with people in unique ways, make relationships, 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:56.720 have conversations, and then route those into, um, as appropriate into a discipleship relationship. 00:41:56.720 --> 00:42:02.300 What, like, so your, your movie people, you're going to connect them to as appropriate. 00:42:02.300 --> 00:42:06.480 Like what's, what's the next step after, after the movie group, where do they go after that? 00:42:06.660 --> 00:42:09.180 Anybody that signs up is in a Facebook group with me. 00:42:09.180 --> 00:42:12.380 And so, um, I mean, you guys that know how Facebook groups work. 00:42:12.380 --> 00:42:14.720 I can literally, as the admin posts, whatever I want. 00:42:14.720 --> 00:42:18.780 So I could say, Hey, this week, instead of watching a movie, uh, why don't we just get 00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:21.080 on a zoom call and talk about what God's doing in our life? 00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:25.240 And if somebody is not a believer in that, then they get an opportunity to hear 20 other 00:42:25.240 --> 00:42:29.600 people talk about what God's doing in their life, um, which would hopefully inspire them 00:42:29.600 --> 00:42:31.320 to want to know more about this Jesus guy. 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:33.120 Yeah, that's very innovative. 00:42:33.540 --> 00:42:36.740 Um, with, with just simple tools that we already have, have available. 00:42:36.860 --> 00:42:40.580 I mean, Jay, uh, Jay Earhart's doing the video game stuff. 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.380 Um, dude's got, dude's playing video game on Twitch. 00:42:44.620 --> 00:42:49.200 You know, people are watching like crazy and he's witnessing and he's training others to 00:42:49.200 --> 00:42:53.700 just witness and share the gospel while playing video games and kids are coming to Christ and 00:42:53.700 --> 00:42:57.240 getting ingrained back into, uh, his discord community. 00:42:57.240 --> 00:43:01.100 And so like, there's, there's things happening there, but I got to tell you, never once did 00:43:01.100 --> 00:43:03.660 I think, Oh, that Netflix party feature. 00:43:03.660 --> 00:43:07.340 That's a great way to like connect with people and eventually share faith. 00:43:07.340 --> 00:43:08.960 Like that wasn't on my radar. 00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:09.360 It was funny. 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.080 I think Tyler, you actually texted me. 00:43:11.220 --> 00:43:13.180 This is a game changer for something like that. 00:43:13.180 --> 00:43:14.880 And I was like, yeah, is it really? 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:16.300 I don't, I don't think it is. 00:43:16.520 --> 00:43:17.440 Now I understand. 00:43:17.680 --> 00:43:21.040 Oh, it is because it's cause it's this relational aspect. 00:43:21.040 --> 00:43:26.700 And especially in this world during this COVID season where we're conversation starved and 00:43:26.700 --> 00:43:32.500 we don't trust physical space doing something like that in this COVID season is going to be 00:43:32.500 --> 00:43:34.860 ridiculously successful, man. 00:43:34.980 --> 00:43:40.120 Connect with it just as an individual person, not even a pastor connect with your, your coworkers 00:43:40.120 --> 00:43:40.900 in a unique way. 00:43:40.900 --> 00:43:45.840 Connect with your, your, your high school graduating class, the kids you knew from college that 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.900 those 10 people you haven't talked to in a decade, reconnect with them. 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:51.080 Hey, let's just hang out. 00:43:51.240 --> 00:43:58.220 I watched, I watched star Trek, the next generation, the first episode last night, it was awful. 00:43:58.460 --> 00:43:59.480 It was cheesy. 00:43:59.600 --> 00:44:00.500 It was garbage. 00:44:00.660 --> 00:44:06.680 And I was live texting a friend of mine during the process to, to be able to spin that into 00:44:06.680 --> 00:44:07.240 something. 00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:07.820 Yeah. 00:44:07.940 --> 00:44:09.880 I mean, there's, there's validity to this. 00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:11.580 If we just take, take advantage of it. 00:44:11.580 --> 00:44:14.120 My wife is a huge Olympics fan. 00:44:14.200 --> 00:44:16.220 So she's super bummed that the Olympics aren't happening. 00:44:16.640 --> 00:44:21.700 But this Olympic channel on NBC sports has been playing these famous Olympic events over 00:44:21.700 --> 00:44:23.780 the last several weeks, uh, nonstop. 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.940 And last night was her all time favorite gymnastics event. 00:44:27.260 --> 00:44:32.720 And two of the gymnasts on the team were alive on Instagram talking about it while it was 00:44:32.720 --> 00:44:33.060 happening. 00:44:33.060 --> 00:44:37.700 And I was like, you guys totally stole my idea for this Netflix watch party thing because 00:44:37.700 --> 00:44:38.600 that's what they were doing. 00:44:38.600 --> 00:44:42.420 And people were watching it, but it felt like community with the people on the screen. 00:44:42.420 --> 00:44:43.960 Um, it's really cool. 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:48.400 But you know, what's funny about that Tyler is like, I've been in NBA Twitter for like 00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:53.200 since 2010 and even with the last dance on Sunday, like with the new Jordan documentary, 00:44:53.200 --> 00:44:58.620 I jumped on Twitter to have a second screen open just for this experience. 00:44:58.620 --> 00:45:00.080 And I was not disappointed. 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:03.040 And it's funny because here we are, we're interacting. 00:45:03.040 --> 00:45:06.740 We're all watching the same thing at the same time, which proves Michael Jordan's greatness 00:45:06.740 --> 00:45:09.280 that he's making us watch commercials in 2020 together. 00:45:09.620 --> 00:45:13.740 But at the same time, we're engaged in community through Twitter. 00:45:13.740 --> 00:45:17.900 Like we're in the same conversation as if we're in the same room, just over and over 00:45:17.900 --> 00:45:18.560 and over again. 00:45:18.560 --> 00:45:19.940 And so you're a hundred percent right. 00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:24.240 We can leverage these things for the sake of relationship, even with people that we've 00:45:24.240 --> 00:45:24.640 never met. 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:25.760 Yep. 00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:28.580 I, I love this. 00:45:28.580 --> 00:45:34.720 And there was so much other stuff I wanted to talk about in this podcast, but we hung out 00:45:34.720 --> 00:45:37.380 right here in this relational piece. 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:41.440 And, and it, it, it's, it's not the podcast we need to hear tomorrow, but this is definitely 00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:43.820 the podcast we, we, we wanted to hear today. 00:45:44.560 --> 00:45:47.400 Man, I wanted to get into digital church planning. 00:45:47.500 --> 00:45:48.960 I wanted to talk about micro locations. 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:52.480 I wanted to talk about, you know, how, how to pivot in this season. 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:56.340 And unfortunately, I'm, well, we're just out of time for this run. 00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:57.400 Actually, I'm out of time. 00:45:57.460 --> 00:45:59.660 I've got, got something else I got to jump into. 00:46:00.100 --> 00:46:03.380 Ray, closing thoughts, anything as, as we're landing the plan here? 00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:04.140 Yeah. 00:46:04.220 --> 00:46:08.900 If, if you're struggling through, um, Hey, we got a lot of views, but we don't have a 00:46:08.900 --> 00:46:09.780 whole lot of movement. 00:46:10.100 --> 00:46:14.520 Part of the question that you have to ask yourself is what is the next step that you're pushing 00:46:14.520 --> 00:46:15.220 people towards? 00:46:15.220 --> 00:46:16.240 And, and is it easy? 00:46:16.300 --> 00:46:17.420 Is it accessible for them? 00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:20.940 And is it something that they're going to take, you know, Tyler and his church, they've 00:46:20.940 --> 00:46:24.800 done such a great job at honing in on those next steps that they're reaping the benefits 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:25.220 right now. 00:46:25.680 --> 00:46:28.660 Same things happen here at CF and we're grateful for it. 00:46:28.660 --> 00:46:31.900 But a lot of it is just keeping it simple and keeping it clearly communicated. 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.220 And so even as you're planning the service, like, Hey, it's great to plan the worship. 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:36.360 It's great to plan the message. 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:37.440 It's awesome to have views. 00:46:37.520 --> 00:46:38.260 Hey, all that's nice. 00:46:38.540 --> 00:46:39.840 But where are you taking people? 00:46:39.940 --> 00:46:40.820 And that should be true. 00:46:40.900 --> 00:46:43.240 Even when you go back into physical spaces. 00:46:44.180 --> 00:46:44.540 Yeah. 00:46:45.100 --> 00:46:51.200 Once you get that next steps process solidified, your discipleship process, whatever it is, 00:46:51.200 --> 00:46:54.200 I mean, at minimum, what you're doing at the physical, do it online. 00:46:54.600 --> 00:47:00.040 Once that's set up, you'll find your church online service is far more effective in getting 00:47:00.040 --> 00:47:02.740 people routed into a relationship. 00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:09.720 You'll find in some of the things that Tyler's talking about now of expanding into new communities 00:47:09.720 --> 00:47:13.320 and utilizing Netflix as a digital community tool. 00:47:13.640 --> 00:47:18.640 Like, I never thought of it, but you have that opportunity to because you've got your discipleship 00:47:18.640 --> 00:47:19.520 process set. 00:47:19.680 --> 00:47:24.900 You can do crazy things like video games and Netflix and, and all of this stuff, and then 00:47:24.900 --> 00:47:31.280 just route those relationships into your digital discipleship process to get them to a place 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.740 where they understand personal mission. 00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:36.560 And so that next steps process is so powerful. 00:47:36.980 --> 00:47:40.400 But all those things, I'm assuming Tyler, all those things, correct, are funnels to get 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:42.380 them back into that same process, right? 00:47:42.380 --> 00:47:45.940 So it's not like, you know, kind of bringing it back to a sports analogy. 00:47:45.940 --> 00:47:47.520 It's all about the fundamentals, right? 00:47:47.520 --> 00:47:49.360 Like you got to bring it back to the fundamentals. 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:53.540 Like, Hey, it's great to do a 360 dunk, but if you can't do a layup, it's for what? 00:47:54.080 --> 00:47:54.200 Yeah. 00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:54.680 Yeah. 00:47:54.680 --> 00:47:59.080 It's all one pathway with a bunch of different arms that are leading into this different pathway. 00:48:01.120 --> 00:48:02.580 Tyler, man, this has been awesome. 00:48:02.740 --> 00:48:04.880 Any, any, any thoughts from you as you were landing the plane? 00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:05.480 Sure. 00:48:05.540 --> 00:48:10.600 Just, uh, this is, uh, something that everybody that's going to be watching this knows already. 00:48:10.600 --> 00:48:15.340 Um, but it's worth saying again, Jesus didn't tell us to go out and make the biggest church 00:48:15.340 --> 00:48:20.360 we could make or have the biggest people, uh, biggest amount of people watch us on Facebook. 00:48:20.520 --> 00:48:22.180 He said, go out and make disciples. 00:48:22.520 --> 00:48:28.280 And I think in, in this process of church online or just ministry in general, um, our competitive 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:31.720 nature can take over and we get lost in what is the main thing. 00:48:31.720 --> 00:48:37.020 Um, so if you're making disciples and you're going out and intentionally building these relationships 00:48:37.020 --> 00:48:42.120 to help people follow Jesus or find Jesus, um, the numbers will take care of themselves. 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:46.000 The growth is driven from the life change and not the other way around. 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.500 I, I, I love that about first capital. 00:48:48.500 --> 00:48:53.260 And that's been something as, as we've talked with your lead pastor, as we talked with the, 00:48:53.260 --> 00:48:58.840 the, the volunteers, you know, I've heard you say that multiple times, this, this is really 00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:01.760 the, the, the lifeblood of the church, the motivation. 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:07.380 Um, it's, it's not a, a selfish where I'm trying to collect these people. 00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:09.300 I'm trying to keep these butts in the seats. 00:49:09.580 --> 00:49:13.840 It's, it's a selfless of let us go out into the community. 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.200 Let us serve and minister. 00:49:15.460 --> 00:49:16.820 Let's care for people. 00:49:16.900 --> 00:49:18.140 Let's know their names. 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:24.600 Uh, and, and as a result of that, God is glorified and actually is the most attractional 00:49:24.600 --> 00:49:25.960 thing that you guys can do. 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:29.340 I, I love it from beginning to end, everything about it. 00:49:29.340 --> 00:49:30.940 So, man, this has been great. 00:49:31.080 --> 00:49:35.540 I just, Tyler, I just love hanging out with you and we need to, you know, when all this 00:49:35.540 --> 00:49:40.380 like social distancing stuff is over, like we actually need to get together at some point 00:49:40.380 --> 00:49:44.940 where we're, I'm working on some things, maybe October, let's kind of follow it away. 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:50.060 Maybe that's the day when we can be, you know, a physical space face to face again, breathing 00:49:50.060 --> 00:49:53.840 each other's coronavirus, um, you know, germs and, and whatever. 00:49:54.380 --> 00:49:56.680 Uh, but, uh, we'll, we'll go on for there. 00:49:56.780 --> 00:49:59.380 So, Hey, thank you very much, Tyler, for this time. 00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:05.680 Once again, Ray, it's great to have you on digging into this conversation on, on relationships 00:50:05.680 --> 00:50:06.360 online. 00:50:06.640 --> 00:50:09.640 So for Tyler, for Ray, this is Jeff at the church digital. 00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:10.640 Thanks for joining us today. 00:50:10.640 --> 00:50:12.560 And we'll see you next time here on the podcast. 00:50:12.820 --> 00:50:13.260 Y'all have a good day.