WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.500 episode 77 of the church digital podcast powered by stadia church planting jeff here okay like i 00:00:06.500 --> 00:00:11.640 want to need everybody listening to this podcast go and do me a favor take off your church online 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:18.920 hats don't look at this podcast don't expect to hear anything technological in context of this 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:26.060 podcast no social media uh no church online no chat online small groups nothing we're stripping 00:00:26.060 --> 00:00:33.660 this podcast down uh to some of the bare basics of what we know of as church whether it's online 00:00:33.660 --> 00:00:40.320 or even if it's physical if it's a church plant or even if it gets down to an established church 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:45.120 it's been around for for a long time you see i've been i've been hanging around these stadia people 00:00:45.120 --> 00:00:51.620 and the one thing that i i have really loved about being on staff with stadia and getting to know them 00:00:51.620 --> 00:00:56.040 and their culture and their dna is i'm starting to realize how little i actually knew about church 00:00:56.040 --> 00:01:00.340 even though i've been on staff with the church like different churches like 15 years of my life 00:01:00.340 --> 00:01:06.180 and and i'm discovering new ideas and new thoughts and it's like my gosh we need to we need to let 00:01:06.180 --> 00:01:11.360 others know about this and there's there's there's one of these conversations and this is we're going 00:01:11.360 --> 00:01:15.940 to have a string of these things they're all going to piece together because my proverbial brain has 00:01:15.940 --> 00:01:23.160 exploded several times starting on this thread and uh and the first part of this conversation that that 00:01:23.160 --> 00:01:29.880 i want you audience out there to start to understand is the concept of the one you see i i didn't 00:01:29.880 --> 00:01:35.520 understand this in my church experience in my church online experience working with multiple churches 00:01:35.520 --> 00:01:42.100 across the country different denominations i just different sizes i i didn't i didn't really have a grasp 00:01:42.100 --> 00:01:48.480 on this until i started hanging around some stadia people and all of a sudden like the idea started to 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:53.460 grow and it started became this much larger thing that i can't wait to share here's what i need to 00:01:53.460 --> 00:01:58.420 understand what is your one whether you're a physical church whether you're a digital church whether 00:01:58.420 --> 00:02:03.200 you're a church online whether you're a church plant whether you're established what is it because 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:07.000 you see i think once you figure out your one and once you understand the principle of the one for the 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:12.380 individuals all of a sudden you're realizing your church has far greater impact than what it did with 00:02:12.380 --> 00:02:18.440 the one hour on sunday and i'm giving stuff away and really you don't need to hear it from me i want 00:02:18.440 --> 00:02:24.500 you to hear it from somebody who's lived this for 30 years of his life and so plus 30 plus years of his 00:02:24.500 --> 00:02:30.880 life i'm bringing in tim selick into the conversation tim uh you may not know he is he's director of new 00:02:30.880 --> 00:02:37.260 church growth at stadia church planting a great guy one of these relationships that i've i've loved 00:02:37.260 --> 00:02:43.100 um in the short amount of time i've most stated just listening to him and learning from him in this 00:02:43.100 --> 00:02:49.920 process so tim was a former lead pastor at the crossing church in new mesa and really brings a 00:02:49.920 --> 00:02:59.140 phenomenal story of a church that was hugely evangelical was hugely outward facing uh public facing in in 00:02:59.140 --> 00:03:07.920 bringing the one in and tim's philosophy uh of of how to understand the one and how to help others 00:03:07.920 --> 00:03:14.620 understand their ones is something that i want everyone who listens to this podcast to understand 00:03:14.620 --> 00:03:19.840 because i truly believe this is going to change your church and this is going to change your church 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:26.380 online and the way that we approach ministry overall it's that good so into this conversation i'm bringing 00:03:26.380 --> 00:03:32.140 in uh tim selick once again director of new church growth with stadia former lead pastor at the crossings 00:03:32.140 --> 00:03:37.980 for 30 plus years church planner way back in the day i'm also bringing in emily diaz who's one of the 00:03:37.980 --> 00:03:44.660 stadia uh project managers and uh co-host here uh with the show on on a number of different shows now 00:03:44.660 --> 00:03:50.540 uh in in a conversation that i'm simply calling church church online and finding your one 00:03:50.540 --> 00:03:58.020 okay everybody here you go i planted a church in the fall of 1988 september of 1988 to to be specific 00:03:58.020 --> 00:04:04.300 in orange county california you know in the city of costa mesa and and that time and even to today 00:04:04.300 --> 00:04:11.580 costa mesa was not a growing community it was about 110 000 when we planted it's about 133 000 now 00:04:11.580 --> 00:04:18.940 and uh so we planted grew a church over 30 years um the church took so many different twists and turns 00:04:18.940 --> 00:04:25.580 because our community went from being primarily caucasian 93 caucasian seven percent other to 00:04:25.580 --> 00:04:33.420 realistically today 50 hispanic about 45 caucasian five percent other so there was a lot of shifts 00:04:33.420 --> 00:04:39.340 there but what we started as a church day one day one we started with this philosophy that we were going to 00:04:39.340 --> 00:04:45.180 be focused the way we said it is on somebody who was saying no to god and we wanted them to say yes 00:04:45.180 --> 00:04:51.500 to him through his son jesus christ so that was the focus it was a drum i beat from day one and i kept 00:04:51.500 --> 00:04:56.460 beating that drum all the way until i handed the baton of leadership off on its 30th anniversary 00:04:57.100 --> 00:05:06.540 in the fall or september of 2018 and i stepped up on the stadia staff they graciously allowed me to be a 00:05:06.540 --> 00:05:15.260 part of the organization to encourage people who were and are where i was as a planter so i get the 00:05:15.260 --> 00:05:21.100 opportunity now as the director of new church growth to really just encourage encourage cheerlead coach 00:05:21.100 --> 00:05:28.700 consult um attaboy attagirl uh planters who are a couple months before launch to roughly two years after 00:05:28.700 --> 00:05:35.340 launch so that's me one of the things that i love about tim is when you start to have conversations with him you can see that he 00:05:35.340 --> 00:05:42.140 bleeds this stuff from the 30 plus years of of his church and now working with stadia where he's helping 00:05:42.140 --> 00:05:48.380 other church planters now go out there and plant churches with this uh with this just different 00:05:48.380 --> 00:05:56.300 mindset of of the one and so tim just for for the audience here define the one what does the one mean 00:05:56.860 --> 00:06:01.740 in context of church today to you that's a good question it's a great question but i'd like to 00:06:01.740 --> 00:06:06.220 do it through sort of a story if i could uh if that's okay with you um that's what i'd like to do 00:06:06.220 --> 00:06:11.420 it so um and the cool part is emily was the one who encouraged me to share this story so at least i know 00:06:11.420 --> 00:06:17.820 one person out in the digital world that says this was a good deal so here we go um i actually 00:06:17.820 --> 00:06:22.780 when i moved out here to costa mesa i didn't realize i was like right next to the ocean i mean duh 00:06:22.780 --> 00:06:26.540 well um there was a period in my ministry where i needed something as a hobby because i didn't have 00:06:26.540 --> 00:06:32.620 any so a guy said why don't you take up sailing and i did and i i really love it and then i got into 00:06:32.620 --> 00:06:39.740 sailboat racing and i love it and um one time we were actually in a sailboat race very very windy race 00:06:39.740 --> 00:06:44.140 participating off the coast of santa barbara california there's these islands called the 00:06:44.140 --> 00:06:50.620 channel islands and we were going between two of them santa cruz island anacapa island and um what 00:06:50.620 --> 00:06:56.220 happened was as we were sailing between it the wind picked up so much and what you try to do on those 00:06:56.220 --> 00:07:01.260 islands you try to get close to them because you could actually speed up you know and you go faster 00:07:01.260 --> 00:07:05.900 well what happened was on that day some some boats at least one boat got way too close and what they 00:07:05.900 --> 00:07:12.860 didn't realize is there's rock outcroppings that you can't see and uh i'm at the helm of the boat i was 00:07:12.860 --> 00:07:18.940 on and i hear this distress signal it's like 9-1-1 over the water okay and one of the sailboats was 00:07:18.940 --> 00:07:23.580 literally in trouble it got too close to the island and some boats began to respond they broke their 00:07:23.580 --> 00:07:28.860 course responded to the dress distress signal but they soon realized they didn't have what they needed 00:07:28.860 --> 00:07:33.420 on their boat and their boat wasn't really adept at trying to get to those people so they abandoned 00:07:33.420 --> 00:07:38.460 going for the people and then to shorten the story some of the people they died that day at the sea 00:07:39.100 --> 00:07:43.900 and so after that what i did was is i actually did some research on boating um i don't know if you 00:07:43.900 --> 00:07:50.620 know this but a long time ago in new england there were some societies actually called rescue societies 00:07:50.620 --> 00:07:57.340 that popped up they were quite popular and what happened was these like adventurous men and women 00:07:57.340 --> 00:08:02.940 went out and they would join them because they themselves were once rescued as sailors or boaters 00:08:02.940 --> 00:08:07.500 and what did they do they'd go out in the atlantic ocean they'd rescue boats people were in trouble 00:08:07.500 --> 00:08:11.260 they'd bring them back to dry land and that was a matter of course for them folks did this 00:08:11.980 --> 00:08:16.700 and the people felt burdened for them and so they kept doing it well after these rescue attempts what 00:08:16.700 --> 00:08:22.300 would happen was they would come back together as a rescue outfit and they would then the cells recover 00:08:22.300 --> 00:08:27.660 they'd share meals they'd share stories and yet because they knew what it was like to be rescued 00:08:27.660 --> 00:08:31.180 they'd get back in the boat and they'd go back out and then they'd come back and they'd share some 00:08:31.180 --> 00:08:37.660 more meals more stories some more drinks and what put place over time was is these rescue societies 00:08:37.660 --> 00:08:42.300 got tired of rescuing they love the meals they love the camaraderie they love the bonding 00:08:42.860 --> 00:08:49.980 but they began are you ready for this they began yacht clubs okay what what began today as the modern 00:08:49.980 --> 00:08:55.820 american yacht club in many cases started in new england they emerged out of rescue societies it began 00:08:55.820 --> 00:09:01.900 from groups of people who were into rescuing people and after a while they said you know what let's just 00:09:01.900 --> 00:09:08.380 chill let's enjoy the meals let's enjoy the drinks let's enjoy all this and just relax and what you read 00:09:08.380 --> 00:09:14.140 about those stories is is that after a while a few of them they they a lot of them didn't leave the 00:09:14.140 --> 00:09:19.580 comforts of the yacht club but eventually over time a new group of them usually people who were rescued 00:09:19.580 --> 00:09:24.060 they would get the burden again they'd leave the comfort of the yacht club and they would go out again 00:09:24.060 --> 00:09:29.100 and rescue people and save people and they would do this all the while their friends were eating 00:09:29.100 --> 00:09:34.460 and drinking and fellowshipping they'd go and what's important i think for all of us on this podcast 00:09:34.460 --> 00:09:43.340 me first included we just need to understand something the church is not a yacht club the church is not a 00:09:43.340 --> 00:09:50.380 place where we sit in lounge chairs sip our drinks eat good food and forget all the people out there 00:09:50.380 --> 00:09:56.940 who are perishing the church is a rescue society it's a rescue culture and so jeff you asked me the 00:09:56.940 --> 00:10:03.900 question where does the one come from okay so i'm from luke 15 and and this is a passage that i mean 00:10:03.900 --> 00:10:09.420 emily knows by heart you know it by heart anybody listening to this who's in church you know the 00:10:09.420 --> 00:10:16.380 passage by heart okay it says there um in that passage that tax collectors and other notorious sinners 00:10:16.380 --> 00:10:23.100 often came to jesus to listen to him teach that's what i'm reading straight from the scriptures now 00:10:23.100 --> 00:10:27.980 parenthetically i'm wondering how many of you who are listening right now how many of you are like jesus 00:10:27.980 --> 00:10:34.140 and how many of you right now have or will have these sorts of people coming to hear you teach 00:10:34.140 --> 00:10:40.300 notorious sinners okay and and tax collectors let me tell you before warrant if you have them come 00:10:40.300 --> 00:10:43.580 you're going to be in a lot of trouble with all the religious church growing people in your church 00:10:43.580 --> 00:10:48.940 just letting you know that right now okay and and and so you just need to know that because it's no 00:10:48.940 --> 00:10:53.980 different and then so jesus he made up this story for the pharisees and the teachers of religious law 00:10:53.980 --> 00:11:00.380 they were complaining that he was associating with the the the sinners and even eating with them can 00:11:00.380 --> 00:11:05.100 you believe it so here's what he said he told him a story if a man has 100 sheep and one of them gets 00:11:05.100 --> 00:11:11.100 lost what will he do won't he leave the 99 others in the wilderness and go search for the one that's 00:11:11.100 --> 00:11:17.020 lost until he finds in other words jesus left the yacht club and all the comforts and he went back in 00:11:17.020 --> 00:11:21.980 the boat for the one person who was perishing that's where the concept of the one comes from 00:11:21.980 --> 00:11:28.220 i love it i love your story and i've seen that story and the way it's hidden straight to the heart 00:11:28.220 --> 00:11:33.340 of church planters as well tim because i think unfortunately a lot of us who've been in ministry 00:11:33.340 --> 00:11:40.780 for a lot of time are real familiar with the yacht club and are real familiar with places and houses of 00:11:40.780 --> 00:11:48.620 worship that feel really comfy and cozy and being a rescue society seems really risky and is not 00:11:48.620 --> 00:11:55.660 something that we're comfortable with or even familiar with so talk to me about what that looks like 00:11:56.940 --> 00:12:01.580 when that story hits straight to the heart and i understand i've been a part of a yacht club 00:12:02.700 --> 00:12:09.820 but i'm called to start a new church and i don't i want it to be a rescue society so how does this 00:12:09.820 --> 00:12:18.700 passion for the one start at the individual basis as becoming a personal mission for church planters 00:12:19.900 --> 00:12:24.860 emily that is like the best question other than just question to find the one that you could actually 00:12:24.860 --> 00:12:31.900 ask and here's why because um if you go back to jesus story in luke 15 and we all know the story so 00:12:31.900 --> 00:12:37.900 well i mean it's like we could almost you know i've heard so many people just say 99 one 99 one well 00:12:37.900 --> 00:12:44.700 one of the main principles of jesus this the concept of the one must become personal before it comes 00:12:44.700 --> 00:12:51.420 organizational i mean if you just look at the story if a man and i would insert in there woman has 100 00:12:51.420 --> 00:13:00.060 sheep it's man singular what will he do what will she do won't he leave the 99 and go out in the 00:13:00.060 --> 00:13:05.020 wilderness search for the one who's lost until he finds it it's a critical story for every church 00:13:05.020 --> 00:13:11.500 leader every church planter every pastor understand and what what i what i'm very passionate about is 00:13:11.500 --> 00:13:17.980 evangelism that's made its way into our churches as a program um which is really at the heart of it all 00:13:17.980 --> 00:13:28.940 going after the one um it's got to be a personal conviction and passion that is born out of the reality 00:13:28.940 --> 00:13:39.980 that i too emily diaz jeffrey you too have been rescued i mean like okay so pastors teach on tithing 00:13:39.980 --> 00:13:45.660 right and um like this is like like a pastor who teaches on tithing and does not give is basically 00:13:45.660 --> 00:13:52.220 saying do as i do not as i say right what why do we give because god needs our money no freaking way 00:13:52.220 --> 00:14:00.380 god doesn't need our money okay um we give out an abundantly grateful heart that jesus he gave it 00:14:00.380 --> 00:14:08.540 all and for me to return a portion back is the least i could to display my thankfulness and gratitude 00:14:09.100 --> 00:14:13.980 tithing ought to be a personal conviction and passion for a christian long before it's an 00:14:13.980 --> 00:14:19.500 organizational reality because your church needs the money right and and so churches become generous 00:14:19.500 --> 00:14:24.460 because the person or persons at the helm are generous they give lavishly and generously 00:14:25.180 --> 00:14:31.340 so so the one has to be a personal passionate conviction for for every rescued person they 00:14:31.340 --> 00:14:37.340 realize it they go for it so when i see a pastor and i've seen some and non-profit organizations who 00:14:37.340 --> 00:14:41.260 ask me to give their money one of the first questions you've heard me say this emily one of the first 00:14:41.260 --> 00:14:47.500 questions i'll ask is show me your giving records because if you're not willing to do that 00:14:48.940 --> 00:14:55.340 i'm not gonna do what you're not doing how dare you and so the same thing i'd say to a pastor who begins a 00:14:55.980 --> 00:15:02.780 evangelism program in a church or focuses their church so so that the church would relate to the one 00:15:04.140 --> 00:15:11.340 but they themselves don't relate to another person who's far from god that's like how dare you 00:15:12.780 --> 00:15:18.380 i mean because have you lost sight of who you are and what god has done through his son jesus christ for you 00:15:18.380 --> 00:15:26.940 so for the church planter that hears your challenge and takes it really seriously and says 00:15:27.900 --> 00:15:34.220 you're right tim how dare i how how dare i implement this in my church if i'm not living it personally 00:15:34.220 --> 00:15:41.340 but then stands at a loss saying but shamefully i don't know how to go from here what would you say 00:15:41.340 --> 00:15:49.020 how do you how does the church planter take steps towards um being living life with the one 00:15:50.620 --> 00:15:55.820 well the one the thing i really appreciate about stadia um and jeff you've seen this emily you've seen 00:15:55.820 --> 00:16:01.500 this i think anybody's affiliate with stadia knows this is we we are very bible focused and oriented and 00:16:01.500 --> 00:16:06.380 centric and so i you'll hear me a lot today if you ask me questions go right back to the bible 00:16:07.020 --> 00:16:14.060 and colossians 4 colossians 4 3 through 6 again who's he writing to the church of colossi it's a church 00:16:14.060 --> 00:16:19.580 it's not a building okay it's not a digital place it's not a physical place it's it's people who are 00:16:19.580 --> 00:16:23.740 gathered and this is what he says if it's okay i'm gonna read it pray for us too that god may open a 00:16:23.740 --> 00:16:28.860 door for our message so that we may proclaim the mystery of christ for which i am in chains so he's in 00:16:28.860 --> 00:16:34.380 prison pray that i might proclaim it clearly as i should then he says to them that's that's you emily 00:16:34.380 --> 00:16:42.780 me tim you jeff he says to us be wise in the way you act toward outsiders make the most of every 00:16:42.780 --> 00:16:50.860 opportunity let your conversations always be full of grace seasoned with salt so that you'd know how to 00:16:50.860 --> 00:16:58.220 answer everyone so what i would say to a planter i would say to a planter's launch team i would say to 00:16:58.220 --> 00:17:05.980 a pastor in any established church first step first principle he says to us is be wise and god seems 00:17:05.980 --> 00:17:12.060 to say to us as church christ following people be wise in the way you act toward those outside the realm 00:17:12.060 --> 00:17:21.820 of faith why well it seems as if god is indicating people far from god they watch our lives and and 00:17:21.820 --> 00:17:27.580 and the spirit and the attitudes of those who are calling themselves christ followers and you 00:17:27.580 --> 00:17:34.540 you know as well as i do that's either going to repel them or it's going to draw them and and none of us 00:17:34.540 --> 00:17:40.540 i think that have understood that we have been rescued ourselves none of us want to repel people who are 00:17:40.540 --> 00:17:46.780 the ones but then principle number two what i think is again paul just affirms what jesus does and he 00:17:46.780 --> 00:17:54.380 says get personal why do i say that he says let your conversation now i don't know about you but when you 00:17:54.380 --> 00:18:00.620 understand the the the the concept of the time and conversations very different for how we see it in 00:18:00.620 --> 00:18:07.260 our day and age conversations take place in in in personal relationships we've become a chatting 00:18:07.260 --> 00:18:13.020 culture these days jeff i don't want to demean all of us because we all love digital i've got an iphone 00:18:13.020 --> 00:18:20.220 an ipad a macbook that i'm watching this on now my wife's got them all i mean in this covet 19 season that 00:18:20.220 --> 00:18:27.980 we're well this is being taped we've got 17 different devices um on routers um oh geez okay 00:18:27.980 --> 00:18:34.700 so but anyway um but we've become a chatting culture these days it's like we're no longer a conversational 00:18:34.700 --> 00:18:44.380 culture and conversation happens between people who are interpersonally connected and there's invested 00:18:44.380 --> 00:18:49.260 relationships chatting happens simply between acquaintances now let me say there's nothing wrong with 00:18:49.260 --> 00:18:55.500 chatting because it can lead to a conversation but often what i see these days for people who say they 00:18:55.500 --> 00:19:01.740 want to reach the one what i think happens so often these days for pastors and planters church leaders 00:19:02.460 --> 00:19:08.460 we're good at chatting we hear a message on evangelism we go oh i'll talk to the barista about jesus 00:19:11.020 --> 00:19:18.220 come to my church come to my church is there any relationship no is there any desire to have a 00:19:18.220 --> 00:19:29.980 relationship in all reality no but i did the chat it was a quick superficial engagement um but but it's 00:19:29.980 --> 00:19:36.940 just a chat it didn't lead anywhere and um and i think sometimes it doesn't lead to conversations 00:19:36.940 --> 00:19:43.980 because did you see that colossians where it says always be full of grace so our lead card in any all 00:19:43.980 --> 00:19:51.100 conversations face-to-face text zoom you know social media must be saturated grace and kindness and 00:19:51.100 --> 00:19:56.460 understanding and then the last thing emily to your question like how do i go about this process i think 00:19:56.460 --> 00:20:03.340 you have to understand that once in a while as you have these relationships with the ones 00:20:04.780 --> 00:20:06.940 there's going to be times where you're going to need to take a stand 00:20:08.860 --> 00:20:14.380 um but that's number three that's not number one because he he says let your conversations be seasoned 00:20:14.380 --> 00:20:21.740 with salt so it's the third in the progression and and i i personally i kind of resonate this is just 00:20:21.740 --> 00:20:28.060 me personally i i don't know him so i'm name dropping not because i know the person but tim keller he says 00:20:28.060 --> 00:20:33.500 that and i and i agree with it that we're we're going to need to take a stand we ought to be you know 00:20:33.500 --> 00:20:41.900 like sold out for racial justice we ought to be superly uh charged and concerned over the poor 00:20:43.420 --> 00:20:50.700 pro-life and also christians should believe christians that sex should only be between a 00:20:50.700 --> 00:20:56.380 man and a woman in marriage now i know i just dropped bombs but i'm just telling you that 00:20:57.100 --> 00:21:02.860 but that's that's that's after invested conversations and interpersonal interactions 00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:11.980 um that's after wisdom um that might come to play i i hope that's but that's how i i gone about it 00:21:11.980 --> 00:21:18.380 that's how i try to go about it and you know here here's the last thing i'll say on that is as a paid 00:21:18.380 --> 00:21:19.420 christian professional 00:21:21.500 --> 00:21:22.140 i'll admit 00:21:23.820 --> 00:21:31.580 it is hard because one of the greatest tragedies of christianity that unfolds in most of our lives 00:21:31.580 --> 00:21:36.460 is that we become more and more insulated around a christian subculture and a christian bubble 00:21:37.900 --> 00:21:42.700 and so most of us let's just be honest if you're listening today you just be honest 00:21:43.900 --> 00:21:44.220 um 00:21:45.740 --> 00:21:50.620 do you have this relationship because the greatest gift you can give to another human being is an 00:21:50.620 --> 00:21:55.660 introduction to the god who loves them and i don't know about you but i want to be the kind of person 00:21:55.660 --> 00:21:59.660 someday who says hey thanks for not giving up on me thanks for coming after me thanks for 00:22:00.380 --> 00:22:05.900 for getting in the boat and seeking to to be about rescuing me that that's but it's hard 00:22:06.940 --> 00:22:12.780 i mean having said all i said i just identify with everybody it's hard i i struggle with it even more 00:22:12.780 --> 00:22:17.420 now as stadia than i did as a as a lead pastor of a local church 00:22:19.500 --> 00:22:24.300 yeah there's a lot of controversialness in there and and i'll even want to back up even before the 00:22:24.300 --> 00:22:31.420 three you only have 17 network devices in your house that's it yeah i'm kind of i'm kind of surprised 00:22:31.420 --> 00:22:36.300 at that i was like i don't know maybe it's the kids that i've got but i'm probably in the 40s or 50s so 00:22:38.060 --> 00:22:44.140 yeah expert you're like the digital superman i mean come on evidently and and it all it all goes 00:22:44.140 --> 00:22:50.780 down because the isp wigs out so like i i i feel but no seriously there there's there's there's some 00:22:50.780 --> 00:22:57.100 there's some really rich ideas in there let's let's follow up on it maybe it's controversial maybe it's 00:22:57.100 --> 00:23:04.700 not but why go after your one instead of going after everyone like and i'm i am not a 30 year 00:23:04.700 --> 00:23:10.540 lead pastor and so like teach me in this help me understand i look at you know verses like first 00:23:10.540 --> 00:23:16.140 corinthians 9 uh i think it's 22 i've become all things to all people you know paul's talking about 00:23:16.780 --> 00:23:23.020 so by all means possible i might save some you know and i've had pastors tell me that that we need 00:23:23.020 --> 00:23:27.660 to be doing everything and getting out there and trying to reach everyone and and and that really 00:23:27.660 --> 00:23:34.220 kind of challenges even some of my own ideas of of individual relationships and and building off of 00:23:34.220 --> 00:23:40.460 that and so i feel that tension others out there feel that tension help us help us understand here 00:23:41.180 --> 00:23:48.540 how to balance that what how should we handle the situation well i i think you have to again um just 00:23:49.340 --> 00:23:53.820 let's remember this is personal before it's organizational so that that's critical right 00:23:53.820 --> 00:23:59.100 and when paul's writing that who's he writing to the corinthian church so he's writing it to people 00:23:59.100 --> 00:24:05.100 like you jeff like you emily like me tim right and and if you go through the whole context of the passage 00:24:05.900 --> 00:24:12.380 the whole context of the passage he says when i was with the jews i lived like a jew to bring the jews 00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:17.740 to jesus christ and then you know he says when i was with those who follow the jewish law i too lived 00:24:17.740 --> 00:24:22.620 under the law even though i'm not subject to the law i did that so i could bring those people to christ 00:24:22.620 --> 00:24:29.420 when i'm with gentiles another people group okay i i did who they don't follow jewish law i lived 00:24:29.420 --> 00:24:33.980 apart from the law so i could bring them to christ and and then he goes on when i was with those who 00:24:33.980 --> 00:24:38.860 were weak i shared their weaknesses for i want to bring the weak to christ so then your part that 00:24:38.860 --> 00:24:43.900 you quoted jeff a lot of people take that out of context yes i try to find common ground with 00:24:43.900 --> 00:24:50.940 everyone doing everything i can to save some so then what everybody says is in a church context but 00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:57.180 remember we're not dealing with organization reality yet but a church is comprised of a bunch of different 00:24:57.180 --> 00:25:04.060 individual ones jeff is a one unit you know jeff's got a wife jerry's got kids they each one emily you 00:25:04.060 --> 00:25:12.460 know abiel tim sue so he lists out specific groups three jewish folks gentel folks and weak folks he was 00:25:12.460 --> 00:25:18.780 trying to find common ground paul was a unique dude he was a multi-faceted multi-talented multi-relational 00:25:18.780 --> 00:25:26.940 guy okay and i think what he's saying is this he's got some some things he was he was he was a jew of 00:25:26.940 --> 00:25:32.220 all jews he tells us in the scriptures right he god redirected him to the gentiles and he was weak 00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:37.500 he had his own pain in his side you know all that so he's saying okay i have some some things 00:25:38.940 --> 00:25:47.580 that put me around some ones who could in reality be my one and and and i think we'd all have to agree 00:25:47.580 --> 00:25:52.460 on this podcast like just in the three of us here we've all got our something for you jeff it might 00:25:52.460 --> 00:25:59.260 be digital i also know that you happen to enjoy the martial arts so for you it could be the the 00:25:59.260 --> 00:26:06.540 the martial arts could be your something okay emily um you're something i know because of ciudad 00:26:06.540 --> 00:26:13.340 de gracia is is it you got grafted into a hispanic culture okay that's that's one of your some 00:26:13.340 --> 00:26:18.620 things what's another something that i don't know about emily that we all need to know i'm a hiker 00:26:19.900 --> 00:26:27.260 okay they're your hiker and god bless hikers okay um in other words it's not your something 00:26:28.220 --> 00:26:31.500 it's not my something man wow yeah 00:26:34.300 --> 00:26:39.820 well and you know what uh i i go out to the desert in palm springs area and there's all these people 00:26:39.820 --> 00:26:45.100 have maps of hikes to do out there and and and then you'll go see whole groups doing the hike 00:26:45.740 --> 00:26:50.380 and i go oh you know go for it i'm gonna stay on my motorcycle while i watch you all go up into the 00:26:50.380 --> 00:26:58.620 hills but but my something my something happens to be working out in motorcycles okay um and so you know 00:27:00.060 --> 00:27:06.780 the cool part to me about this jeff and the question you ask is we we each have our something 00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:13.980 and paul was saying we get to choose because of that something is going to put us around some ones 00:27:14.860 --> 00:27:24.380 will we choose to place ourselves with the one of jesus's terminology so that you can bring that one 00:27:25.340 --> 00:27:31.020 to jesus christ so if you bring your ones i bring my ones emily brings her ones that's everyone 00:27:31.980 --> 00:27:38.220 i mean from a contextual standpoint okay um like okay i'm gonna just bear a little bit my soul right 00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:44.780 now for some of you um my my one i already said it's like motorcycles for years i've had people i've had 00:27:44.780 --> 00:27:51.740 people say you need to join a christian motorcycle club okay i'm gonna tell you right now before jeff gets 00:27:51.740 --> 00:27:57.820 emails about this there's nothing wrong with that those are great they do great things but i just 00:27:57.820 --> 00:28:06.700 want to say gag me okay because the way i see it because of my personal passionate conviction that i have 00:28:06.700 --> 00:28:13.580 been rescued i'm gonna leverage my one something which happens to be one of those is motorcycle riding 00:28:14.220 --> 00:28:20.380 to be with someone who is the one just like i mentioned sailboating a little bit earlier our 00:28:20.380 --> 00:28:28.460 sailboat race team it's comprised of people who are what we would categorize as the one there's six to 00:28:28.460 --> 00:28:35.100 eight people on the crew there's only two of us maybe three on the crew that would be people who have 00:28:35.100 --> 00:28:41.340 already crossed that line of faith and said yes to jesus because they were rescued them themselves so i'm 00:28:41.340 --> 00:28:47.580 going to do everything i can in the spirit of god um to put my life around people who do something that 00:28:47.580 --> 00:28:54.540 i like to do be around them and then see me be used to save some not through my power but through the 00:28:54.540 --> 00:29:02.860 holy spirit's power working through me does that make sense yeah it totally does and you've made it clear 00:29:02.860 --> 00:29:09.580 tim um and just obviously in your passion and what you've said that it it starts with a personal 00:29:09.580 --> 00:29:16.140 conviction it starts with that leader not only having that personal conviction but leading that 00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:23.980 out and living in that way living in whatever their one thing is with ones engaging in life with them 00:29:23.980 --> 00:29:29.900 and then the hope is right as church leaders as church planters that that culture that is convicted 00:29:29.900 --> 00:29:36.620 within one person spreads to the organization it spreads to the church that they are starting 00:29:37.180 --> 00:29:45.580 so when we start to see churches transform from being those yacht club societies to actual rescue 00:29:45.580 --> 00:29:51.660 societies what are some of the benefits and what are some of the challenges that that can create 00:29:51.660 --> 00:29:57.820 within those those churches do you really want to know okay that's the question i mean because 00:29:58.380 --> 00:30:09.100 the benefits are many but the first benefit is i love this you develop real christ-like maturity 00:30:10.540 --> 00:30:14.540 in those people because now they're on the mission of jesus christ 00:30:16.140 --> 00:30:22.220 luke 19 10 again i'm gonna just keep sticking with the bible okay the son of man jesus came to seek 00:30:22.220 --> 00:30:28.380 and save that which is lost in other words jesus came on a search and rescue mission to those who are 00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:34.380 lost to those who are drowning drowning he left the 99 go for the one and in that case in that story in 00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:39.420 luke 19 is the key is was a wee little man a wee little man was he remember that guy okay you got 00:30:39.420 --> 00:30:44.860 to ask yourself church planter church pastor do you have a marina mentality because emily asked about 00:30:44.860 --> 00:30:52.620 that if an entire church is focused on the one the idea of consumerism leaves because the phrase you hear 00:30:52.620 --> 00:31:02.620 in every every church is feed me feed me feed me i i was in a mentoring group with a guy who i dearly 00:31:02.620 --> 00:31:08.220 love from a church nearby and and one day in the mentoring group he just said he just said this is our 00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:16.220 first question okay um what's the number one reason people leave your church he first looked at this one 00:31:16.220 --> 00:31:20.860 guy who i think is like the best bible teacher in the whole united states the guy goes oh the reason 00:31:20.860 --> 00:31:24.380 people leave my church is because they're not being fed and then he went to the next guy and that's what 00:31:24.380 --> 00:31:29.260 he said the next guy that's what he said nice guy that's what he said and and so what happens is 00:31:29.260 --> 00:31:35.660 when everybody's on point in mission and when when you're on mission jesus mission you actually mature 00:31:35.660 --> 00:31:40.220 because babies and teenagers think only and always about their freaking selves 00:31:41.100 --> 00:31:47.980 adults think about others others so that's a benefit is is that okay to say it that way 00:31:49.580 --> 00:31:53.820 yeah absolutely i mean i just because your church actually gets more mature 00:31:54.620 --> 00:31:59.180 you know you think it's then the second benefit is and this is what i love about the crossing that i 00:31:59.180 --> 00:32:04.620 got to be a part of your church will always be a safe place to hear the dangerous and scandalous 00:32:04.620 --> 00:32:12.460 message of jesus because if everyone is inviting you know based on their something to someone who's a one 00:32:12.460 --> 00:32:17.900 to let's say a weekend gathering or to a small group or to an outreach event to a digital event okay 00:32:17.900 --> 00:32:24.380 if everyone's inviting their one the entire game has changed because everyone's showing up 00:32:24.940 --> 00:32:30.220 and they're always thinking about what is this going to look like through the eyes of the person who's 00:32:30.220 --> 00:32:35.980 sitting next to me on my shoulder what does this think about to the person who's going with this to 00:32:35.980 --> 00:32:42.460 this this food serving event in our community when when the questions are asked in a small group because 00:32:42.460 --> 00:32:48.540 the marina mentality leaves what what happens is we now ask questions in groups differently because 00:32:48.540 --> 00:32:53.100 now we realize that everybody even knows with the bible let's talk about this because what you're what 00:32:53.100 --> 00:33:00.940 you're talking about and stadia who i love is active in teaching this this ideology of of of the one 00:33:00.940 --> 00:33:06.060 to a church planter where it's it's you're you're starting with the seed that's growing out you're 00:33:06.060 --> 00:33:13.500 establishing that dna with the planter who then plants the church with this the one mindset you know a lot 00:33:13.500 --> 00:33:20.140 of the audience of the church digital are are existing churches uh physical digital church online but 00:33:20.140 --> 00:33:27.180 they're they're existing uh established churches to use your word earlier um how difficult is is it 00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:33.420 converting a church an existing established church to this the one mentality 00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:43.100 how difficult jeff is it uh converting a church that's fully analog and physical to a digital 00:33:43.100 --> 00:33:49.340 reality um over the past three to four months when this time this podcast is being aired 00:33:50.060 --> 00:33:57.100 every church has experienced a lot of tension a lot of turmoil a lot of consternation even wondering how 00:33:57.100 --> 00:34:03.100 many people are still a part of their church really even watching their church engaging with the content 00:34:03.100 --> 00:34:11.020 that's being produced by their church okay so i mean um anytime you introduce the new order of things 00:34:11.980 --> 00:34:17.580 it becomes problematic for something that's already established so i will say this okay it's much easier to 00:34:17.580 --> 00:34:25.340 start a church with this focus but please hear me if you haven't heard it already through this podcast 00:34:25.340 --> 00:34:34.220 it's got to be personal in the life of you the planter um and and i'll just say we've always heard 00:34:34.220 --> 00:34:37.980 all heard the phrase it's easier to have a baby that you know than it is to raise the dead okay 00:34:38.620 --> 00:34:41.100 because if you're going to convert a church to the one mentality 00:34:41.980 --> 00:34:47.980 you need to understand some change theory and change management um this is one of those initiatives 00:34:47.980 --> 00:34:53.180 i'll be frank it could kill a church there's there's tons of tension in this there's there's just lots 00:34:53.180 --> 00:34:58.540 of tension in this but here's the here's the good part if you try this okay once you get passionate about 00:34:58.540 --> 00:35:07.580 this whenever you carry out the life in the way of jesus it always is gonna hurt for those who call 00:35:07.580 --> 00:35:18.620 themselves church-going people so you're like jesus i mean like we're following jesus that's a good thing 00:35:18.620 --> 00:35:24.380 right the famous story in mark 2 those those four friends cut a hole in the roof so the paralyzed guy 00:35:24.380 --> 00:35:29.500 could come down what happened right after that happened well it tells us real quickly that you 00:35:29.500 --> 00:35:34.460 know they get involved there's something was about physically challenged people that's to put in the 00:35:34.460 --> 00:35:39.020 context there's something was physically challenged people they were around a someone was a one who 00:35:39.020 --> 00:35:45.660 needed what jesus had to offer so they take them there and now now what happens the religious church-going 00:35:45.660 --> 00:35:54.060 people they got all up in arms with the with jesus over that very thing um and i'll tell you one of the 00:35:54.060 --> 00:35:59.340 the things that you just need to know is if you're willing to offend church-going people then go for 00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:05.820 it and that's what those people did the story of zacchaeus i love the story of zacchaeus why well the 00:36:05.820 --> 00:36:12.140 mission of jesus is in there luke 19 10 but you know what no one saw jesus in the trees and they're 00:36:12.140 --> 00:36:19.420 all religious people but jesus got saved that day and instead of people posting it on facebook instagram 00:36:20.060 --> 00:36:28.060 twitter no what did they do all the people in luke 19 7 it says all the people saw this this this 00:36:28.060 --> 00:36:36.300 this sinful guy gets saved and they began to mutter and complain and gripe because jesus has gone to be 00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:43.020 the guest of a sinner so you want to tell me you want me to say okay you want to do this in your church 00:36:43.660 --> 00:36:48.060 you're going to have to just get ready for some gossiping some grumbling some griping some whining 00:36:48.060 --> 00:36:55.820 and complaining but that's common whenever god is moving in the heart of someone 00:36:57.260 --> 00:37:01.980 who senses that they were rescued from the depths of despair and hell 00:37:03.580 --> 00:37:10.780 they were rescued by a savior jesus and then they because of that rescue personally keep going back 00:37:10.780 --> 00:37:18.620 in the boat back in the boat back in the boat never staying in the yacht club because they never forgot 00:37:18.620 --> 00:37:28.060 what it was like to be lost it would seem to me having a church focusing on on the ones um and the the 00:37:28.060 --> 00:37:37.820 church of of ones kind of becomes monotonous we're we're reaching the same people um and and and i don't 00:37:37.820 --> 00:37:43.740 know that that's a good thing i don't know that that's a that's a that's a bad thing uh even looking 00:37:43.740 --> 00:37:51.020 at um you know types of of people spiritual giftings um you know race even in this world that that we're in 00:37:51.020 --> 00:37:59.980 now um how how does a church that's focusing on the ones not become overly monotonous in context of 00:37:59.980 --> 00:38:09.900 the the one yeah and the the reality is that's been the tension i think realistically in the united states 00:38:11.500 --> 00:38:17.420 um these are you know since the the transition of the i'm going to call it just in simple terms the 00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:26.700 contemporary church where shifts started taking place and i will say it this way jeff you will 00:38:26.700 --> 00:38:35.740 never drift toward the front half of the great commission a church easily drifts to the second 00:38:35.740 --> 00:38:41.420 half of the great commission front half of the great commission is go and make disciples go make 00:38:41.420 --> 00:38:47.260 disciples we we hear the word disciples so we think fully or fully mature no longer baby feeding you 00:38:47.260 --> 00:38:52.460 know milk drink milk drinking um christians so no but disciples just nothing more than a learner it's 00:38:52.460 --> 00:38:57.660 just the beginning steps go make disciples what then teaching them baptize in the name of the holy spirit 00:38:57.660 --> 00:39:03.900 right father son holy spirit and then teach them to obey everything i've commanded you that's the 00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:13.020 back half of the great commission well the way i would say it is this does it become monotonous to be 99.9 00:39:13.020 --> 00:39:16.460 of the churches that are just floating 00:39:18.860 --> 00:39:28.540 in the cesspool of the back half of the great commission instead of wholeheartedly and passionately 00:39:28.540 --> 00:39:36.060 with a white hot fervor toward the front half of the great commission and another way to say it would be 00:39:36.060 --> 00:39:44.860 like this jeff um does being a digital evangelist because that's what you are jeff does being a digital 00:39:44.860 --> 00:39:54.220 evangelist will that ever get monotonous yes or no uh yeah i'll say yes at some point it will when do you 00:39:54.220 --> 00:40:01.980 think it will um when culture shifts away from digital being the method and how long do you think 00:40:01.980 --> 00:40:08.540 that'll be it's gonna be a while yeah so you gotta you got a good run probably at least as long as 00:40:08.540 --> 00:40:16.460 you're still on this earth and the the unique part about digital it's just a form that's based in a 00:40:16.460 --> 00:40:27.020 function i mean really right a chair is a is a form that is a function to sit a digital is an expression 00:40:27.020 --> 00:40:33.020 as a form that needs a function right and so the reality is you're right it'll end but the reality is 00:40:33.020 --> 00:40:43.660 jesus is is is never ending he's the alpha and the omega and when someone or some ones truly stay 00:40:43.660 --> 00:40:52.380 passionate about the fact that they were rescued i mean truly that never say changes that never ends 00:40:53.500 --> 00:41:03.420 and and and we at stadia we say until every child has a church that that's that's that's our focus 00:41:04.300 --> 00:41:11.420 and and and what what do we have a church for so people can be in a marina in a yacht club drinking 00:41:12.300 --> 00:41:20.300 you know fellowshipping eating no we have a church according to jesus to seek and save 00:41:21.500 --> 00:41:28.220 those who are lost do we want those people to grow up and become like jesus in all ways those little ones 00:41:28.220 --> 00:41:33.420 as they age as they age yes but as they age and become like jesus what are they going to do they're 00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:41.180 going to go back out in their their streets and their communities in their cities in their countries 00:41:41.180 --> 00:41:46.220 in their neighborhoods and they're going to go back and they're going to tell people who are the one 00:41:46.220 --> 00:41:51.260 who are shepherd from the 99 and they're going to say i'm here for you and i want i want you to 00:41:51.260 --> 00:41:57.420 know about somebody that changed me transformed me altogether altered me and i've never been the same 00:41:57.420 --> 00:41:58.540 and i want that for you too 00:42:01.900 --> 00:42:08.700 yeah well said well said and and what i love about all of this is whether it's physical whether it's 00:42:08.700 --> 00:42:16.700 digital whether um it's it's all that's the the means to the end which is is making disciples and 00:42:16.700 --> 00:42:23.020 having uh the the front end of the the great commission uh being challenged before people and 00:42:23.020 --> 00:42:29.020 that's that's really where we as a church whether physical whether digital whether online any of those 00:42:29.020 --> 00:42:35.500 contexts that's that's the the end game is is that making disciple piece i was kind of pulling tim's 00:42:35.500 --> 00:42:39.900 uh chain a little bit we were actually in a meeting and we were just recently talking about how 00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:46.140 digital is not the end method um there's going to be something beyond digital and whether we should 00:42:46.140 --> 00:42:52.860 brag about the physical aspects of of yesterday or the digital aspects of today or tomorrow all that's 00:42:52.860 --> 00:43:00.540 meaningless uh in context of the end game isn't the tech it's not the fad it's actually this uh the idea 00:43:00.540 --> 00:43:07.580 of making uh disciples who can turn go and make disciples and that's what i love in context of of this 00:43:07.580 --> 00:43:19.180 one it keeps us focused um uh with that outsider with that one lost sheep um at heart so hey tim man i just i 00:43:19.180 --> 00:43:25.340 want to thank you for that for the time hey emily as as we're wrapping up here um landing the the plane on 00:43:25.340 --> 00:43:32.540 the on the podcast any closing thoughts i'm grateful tim for for your perspective and your passion for the 00:43:32.540 --> 00:43:40.140 one and i'm really hopeful for the big c church that if we have this emblazoned passion for the one 00:43:40.140 --> 00:43:47.740 that we'll see real true authentic growth from people coming from being lost to being found and 00:43:47.740 --> 00:43:54.620 coming into the fold of jesus i'd love to see that too well said there as well tim closing thoughts 00:43:54.620 --> 00:44:01.340 from you as we're wrapping up i'll just keep beating the drum i won't stop it's personal before it's 00:44:01.340 --> 00:44:09.500 organizational and and pastor uh planter don't dare don't you dare cast a compelling vision for what 00:44:09.500 --> 00:44:16.780 you yourself are not willing to do you and me need to be engaged with people who are the one 00:44:17.660 --> 00:44:24.860 and then that flows out it radiates it is so compelling it is so life altering it'll change you 00:44:25.500 --> 00:44:33.740 it'll change the church yeah amen uh you know we we often talk about the the value in reaching people 00:44:33.740 --> 00:44:39.100 today is not within the building and and i would even take a step further i don't think it's within a 00:44:39.100 --> 00:44:46.300 a church online line broadcast or or even a social media tweet at this point uh i think that the value of 00:44:46.300 --> 00:44:53.020 changing an individual is in a relationship and so whether that's in the physical or the virtual space 00:44:53.020 --> 00:44:57.740 um you know i told a group of pastors just recently it was like you don't have the the power of the 00:44:57.740 --> 00:45:02.860 church anymore it doesn't matter what you say it matters far more about what what others are saying 00:45:02.860 --> 00:45:11.420 about you and and mobilizing our people um not as uh attenders or even as members but and another 00:45:11.420 --> 00:45:17.180 church told me it's activators in in ministry um in activating them and releasing them out 00:45:17.820 --> 00:45:21.340 to reach their circle of influence we're going to be talking a lot we've talked a lot about this in 00:45:21.340 --> 00:45:26.540 the past we're going to be talking more about this and and tim opening up here with the one is really 00:45:26.540 --> 00:45:33.820 just kind of the prelude for more conversations about effective ways for us as a church to to reach 00:45:33.820 --> 00:45:40.540 people to have this evangelism to have this outward facing really ministry model in place 00:45:41.260 --> 00:45:46.380 that may challenge a little bit about what we learn on the uh what we get from an established church 00:45:46.940 --> 00:45:52.780 but really if we're trying to start a movement we're trying to look at multiplication and get 00:45:52.780 --> 00:45:59.100 people beyond just an attender and activating them so that they're they're an army unleashed on the 00:45:59.100 --> 00:46:05.740 people they know man it's it's a lot more effective when you're focusing on the one and when you've got 00:46:05.740 --> 00:46:12.300 individuals who are focusing on their respective ones so tim man thank you for this podcast uh i 00:46:12.300 --> 00:46:17.500 really appreciate the time for for emily for tim this is jeff at the church digital uh thanks for 00:46:17.500 --> 00:46:20.620 jumping on today and uh we'll see you next time here at the show y'all have a good day